Spoiler
This is the official description of the upcoming LOST episode.
A desperate Claire, along with Kate and Rousseau, attempts a return to the scene of her kidnapping where she believes she might find the cure for Baby Aaron’s mysterious illness. Meanwhile, Jack and Locke must keep their prisoner a secret from the rest of the survivors.
Since I’m a bit late with this post I will get straight to the point.
Alex
Who was the young woman who helped Claire escape from the hatch?
The most probable answer would be that she is Alex Rousseau, Danielle’s daughter who was kidnapped by the Others 16 “Lost” years ago.
I really believe her to be Alex, but didn’t she look a bit too old to be 16?
Bad Twin?
I’m sure I was not the only person to make the connection that Mr.Friendly/Zeke, the “pirate” who kidnapped Walt and later held Kate hostage in the jungle, is the man Ethan was talking to in the medical hatch. The voice is very similar and on top of that, we find out that there is a fake beard, theatre glue and the same kind of clothes that Mr.Friendly wares, stored in a locker in the new hatch.
But is the scientist really Mr.Friendly?
Personally I feel the two are very similar and are probably the same person but the commenter “spoonless joe” mentioned that the doctor/scientist seemed a bit different to Mr.Friendly and could possibly be Mr.Friendly’s twin brother. This got me thinking, and it could actually work. Remember the manuscript Hurley was reading? It is called “Bad Twin”.
Could it be that the man he refers to in the hatch when saying “what am I supposed to tell HIM?” is his own twin brother – a bad twin?
Since it now appears pretty clear that the Others are in fact Dharma scientists, “HE” probably is one of the persons (or the person) pulling the strings on the island. Maybe Gerald DeGroot or even Alvar Hanso?
If he is refering to DeGroot or Hanso, could they still be twins? Maybe it’s a stretch, maybe it isn’t.
Henry the manipulator
Did anyone else think Mr.Eko was about to kill himself when he put the knife to his chin after confessing to Henry Gale? It would be sad to see Mr.Eko go, but wow would it have made for a dramatic episode if Eko had actually killed himself.
Anyway, Mr.Eko just confessed his sins to Henry and claimed he wanted to do the right thing. Is Eko starting to believe that the Others have a good purpose, did he just need to talk to someone?
The other thing Henry managed to do this week was to make John Locke quite angry by playing on Locke’s competition with Jack to be the alpha male and the person who makes the important decisions among the losties. Did Henry’s obvious manipulation work on a smart guy like Locke or was Locke faking to make Henry believe he has the upper hand?
We need to remember that John Locke either has or had a problem with anger management as he was taking part in an anger management support group in an earlier episode. Is Locke starting to loose his temper, and if he does, what will happen?
Did you notice tonight’s literary reference? Locke gives the “Other” guy they captured a copy of The Brothers Karamazov. This dude has a pretty cool theory about what it means:
http://oceanic815.blogspot.com/
the dude that ethan goes to talk to when he is in the nursery with claire is the guy who kidnapped walt and stops jack and others and took their guns. he is clean shaven and doesnt have that funky hair. AND Kate finds that box with makeup and a fake beard in that same building
The guy that Ethan talked to while in the nursury with Claire…is that the same guy that gave Sayid the $$ and told him in Iraqi that he would need his torturing skills one day?
Matt– Yes, his name is Zeke (some people have been calling him “Mr. Friendly” online)–Laura, I think this is who you are refering to also (it is not the guy from Iraq). He is just here without a beard. Why he would leave his disguise behind confuses me…. but I think it was more just so that it would be obvious to the viewers that were a little slower to catch on….
Joe–I’ve read The Brothers myself, and had some interesting thoughts. I will have to read this guy’s ideas. It is a book about a bunch of brothers who plot to kill their father superficially–there are undercurrents/themes of redemption, religion, and existentialism, all important to LOST. His ideas in The Brothers strongly influenced Freud in his creation of the Oedipal Complex idea. More interesting, I found was the comparison with Hemingway.
Has anyone read Lancelot by Walker Percy? This was the book that Sawyer was reading. I heard one interesting interpretation from a very literary LOST fan already.
One revelation: The song playing on the plane mobile was “Catch a Falling Star”, a song that Claire’s dad sung to her in a past episode. This implies that there is a grand conspiracy to get her baby (with the psychic playing a role, also), which goes quite far back.
Cecilia – “The Brothers Karamazov” do they eventually kill off their father and when you say supercially – what does that mean?
I believe that Zeke did not leave the disguise behind, I think they come and go when necessary.
The young girl who helped Claire, could she be Alex (Rosseau’s daughter-I think so)
Henry Gale is playing devil advocate – he’s definately playing Locke and Doc against each other
Yes the teenage girl is definitely Rosseau’s daughter…they said that. I still can’t believe no one has picked up on the giveaway in Henry’s story.
My theory on Ecko is that when he wanted to talk to the “prisoner”, he really was trying to get in with the others. He definitely is spiritual and thinks something bigger is going on. But you know how he apologized to that guy and said he needed his forgiveness? I think that from the moment he killed the others, since they were trying to take him, he has realized that they were taking him for a reason. I think that between what happened on the other end of the island, you know, only taking the “good ones” and all that, that ecko was trying to tell this guy (who from Ecko’s point of view could very well be an other) that he made a mistake, that he was sorry for killing those two others, and most importantly, that he is now living a righteous path! I think he’s trying to show this guy that he is indeed good and worthy of being taken into the fold, something that would have happened the first night had Ecko not fought back and killed them. I think he wants to live righteously with the others in their utopia…..and the only way to do it is to talk to an other and ask their forgiveness and prove to them he is still good.
Dan, what is the giveaway in Henry’s story? You can email me at nfxbeats(at)gmail(dot)com if you don’t want to post publicly.
Dan, please share – what giveaway – I’m curious
Dan, help a brother out man
There’s definitely somethingb about the scene where Henry tells Locke that Jack calls the shots.
At the beginning I thought that this could mean that Henry knows more then only from his experiences inside the cell, but now I’m doubting again
Watch closely which number is on the label of the vaccine, yep thats right
this may be completely untrue and a silly speculation….but isn’t the whole point of hot air balloons the fact that they “lift” because the warm air inside the balloon is “lighter” than the cold air outside the ballon? Now, judging by how much everyone perspires on this island, this is definitely more of a tropical climate. I thought weather had to be a perfect chill in order to raise a hot air balloon…..this could be completely irrelevant and I could be wrong, but perhaps it makes Henry Gale’s (Wizard of Oz anyone?) story complete B.S.
Well, Laura, when you are up a couple thousand feet the air is much cooler. Now it may be hot on the island, but a hot air balloon only requires the air inside to be warmer than the air outside, by how much I don’t know. I’m bummed that my Tivo didn’t record this episode. Hope it isn’t full. Do they replay episodes at all? I normally get the original airing on my Tivo. Directv doesn’t say anything about a replay, or any airing of Lost episodes for the next 12 days.
iTunes will sell you the episode.
ok you greedy little piggies…you may have already noticed this…but the name Henry Gale is the name of the uncle from wizard of oz…now not a huge deal until you throw the other story point…he came here in a balloon! a hot air balloon was also a very key point to the story of wizard of oz…he created the whole story quickly around something he knew well…there you go
oh wait that other girl nabbed it first…well anyway something for you to chew on
Regarding Walker Percy and Lancelot:
I did notice (very excitedly) that Sawyer was reading Lancelot. Percy is one of my favorite authors and Lancelot is a very unique novel and is very different from all of Percy’s others.
It is told (in a fractured timeline type narrative) from the perspective of a resident of a psych ward…who is confessing to a priest. This is Percy’s most nihilistic novel by far, and the protagonist gradually reveals that he is imprisoned for murder.
What is most interesting about the novel is that he has rather grandiose plans for overhauling society and instigating a “Great Revolution”, conceived as “an island between two disasters” as a springboard for implementing what he feels to be a properly righteous morality.
I’d say this link does not bode well for Mr. Eko. He made a prominent confession to Gale and may have been promising to behave in a what he feels to be a righteous way – the others’ way.
Cecilia, what were your friend’s thoughts regarding the connection between Lost and Lancelot?
Ok guys I’ve been watching the last episode and this one, I did some screencaps and the there is no resemblance from Mr. Friendly ans the guy who talks to Ethan, they have indeed the same tone and sound of voice, they speak quite the same, but their facial anatomy isn’t the same, maybe they are family or are connected in way by their voice…
In other thing, and correct if I’m not the first who noticed it, in the video that Mr. Friendly plays to Sayid about the use of Sarin in the market, says PROPERTY OF DIA, I think they bluffed Sayid, because if that video was an Iraki reseatch It would have had arab characters not western ones. Also the initials DIA sound me like DHARMA INDUSTRIES AGENCY or A for anything, I did some reserach and found nothing. Sayid was tricked, Dharma is a company or something that makes experiments of all kind, medical, sociological, arms, weapons, biowarfare… Maybe is a “FACHADA’ for some international agency or some american agency like the CIA or something like that, this is like seeing the X-Files from the perspective of the affected instead of Mulder and Scully… That’s my thought. Damn I’m soooooooooooo LOST…
About Henry Gale…
We now know that Ethan was supposed to make a list of some sort. We can presume (for now) that this list was going to be like the one found by the Tailies…the list of names that the dead Other had in his pocket. In other words, as Goodwin put it, a list of the “good” people.
It seems that maybe Henry is finishing the job? Eko certainly reacts to Henry as though sure that he is in a position to judge goodness or righteousness. Eko also stared the black smoke down and saw his life reflected back at him…this all seems connected in some way that I can’t pin down.
Also, two random facts that make me believe Henry is an Other:
1. In Hurley’s season one flashback, he has an interesting conversation with his lawyer. Right after the lawyer mentions that his box factory burned down (didn’t Locke work at a box factory…hmmmm), he mentioned buying a non-mineral mining company. Henry made his fortune in just such a compnay.
2. This one is the best: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wizard_Of_Oz_(experiment)
4 8 15 16 23 42 … there has to be wizard around here somewhere …
Henry is soooooo an Other.
graeme– I didn’t get that from that scene at all. I had a totally different take on it.
Beard cutting in many cultures (Christian-Judeo, African tribal, Hawaiian, etc) is a form of ritual purification. In effect, he is saying that he is cleansing his soul, it is like a rite of passage, also. Although he said that he did it (and the “confession”) because he felt bad for what he had done to the Others that he killed, I don’t buy this at all. He killed out of self defense, and I do not believe it is in Eko’s character, even with his religiosity, to regret such actions.
Consider in this; in these scenes, it is more about what is NOT said rather than what is actually said. Contrast how Eko deals with Henry with how Locke deals with Henry later. Eko clearly has the upper hand, whereas Locke crumbles and allows himself to be manipulated.
My personal belief is that Eko was actually tacitly asking for forgiveness, not for what he HAS done, but what he will do–namely, because he knows he will one day kill Henry. This is a complex narrative, and I enjoyed it quite a bit. It has some relevance to The Brothers Dostoyevsky, which was referenced in the show.
Laura–The weather is important in hot air balloon navigation, but primarily because of wind. Air is heated in the balloon above ambient, but it does not need to be a “perfect chill”, and you can go ballooning in tropical weather (as Kevin explained). (I’m not a balloon pilot myself, but have been on a few hot air balloon rides, and learned a few things–it’s an interesting hobby)
Dan–That isn’t really a secret, it’s a pretty well known thing that’s already been discussed. I think they were asking for the secret in this episode.
Dave–Thank you for your take on Lancelot. The reason I asked was not because I wanted to compare notes, but because I’ve never read the book myself! Here’s another good analysis if you are curious:
http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15565
BTW, I came across that wiki entry also on the numbers forum (for the WoOz experiment)… certainly a neat one. Thanks for sharing your insights (see above for mine on Eko & the beard cutting act).
Also, consider that the room that Henry Gale is in could be like a confession booth: small, dark and no one else can see inside.
So when Eko goes in to ask forgiveness, it is like he is giving confession. He is giving it to the only person on the island who may truly be “innocent.”
I loved Wednesday’s episode. I thought it was really made for the “fans” giving a lot of new island mysterys and things to digest. Even a Stephen King reference, who has been discussed ad nausum in the different forums and podcasts. After thinking about the epsiode I did have some tings that bothered me.
1) After all the work the did with Claire and the baby why haven’t they tried to get Aaron back. He seemed pretty important to D.A.R.H.M.A.
2) Why abandon the medical “hatch?” Was Mr. Friendly afraid of the Losites coming back? It definatly would seem they would have the upper hand. Also it seemed they abanded it in a hurry.
3) When they abandoned the hatch, why leave Mr. Friendly’s “costume?” If they thought the Losties were coming wouldn’t that be one of the first things you take so you don’t give away your identity? Or secret identity.
Kevin – Maybe the “Others” do not need Aaron just yet, when they need him I’m sure they will attempt to kidnap him, but for now its probably not necessary. Aaron has already been injected.
Whose to say that they will not return – perhaps the “scientists/doctors/others” left the hatch in that form inorder to trick the survivors somehow that it may be another save haven for them (eventually)giving the survivors the impression that they will not return. A trick if you will
About the disguised staying behind, my thought on that is this, perhaps Mr. Friendly asked (the teenage girl, who saved Claire) to grab the stuff in the lockers, but instead the “girl” (Alex I think) left it behind, just in case Claire remembers the place and discover the “costume” – just a thought
The abandoned hatch also had quite a bit of vines and other stuff growing over the door. Maybe it was abandoned at the time Claire left several weeks earlier. The “tailies” found that other abandoned hatch. Both were a bit messy on the inside, which suggests an intruder or a thief. We still don’t know what happened to Walt, Michael, or Desmond–three people who could be somewhere else on the island, doing who knows what. I hope that the writers bring them into the story again soon.
I can’t understand why they would leave the costumes behind either, but a bigger question on this island should be “Where did the costumes come from in the first place?”
I was surprised that Henry hasn’t asked more questions about where he is and what’s going to happen to him. He definitely has a plan. Wouldn’t you think he’d be in traumatic shock otherwise?
Locke is going to screw this up. He is way too “friendly” with the prisoner, and yet at the end of the show he knocked all the plates to the floor in frustration.
Kate hardly said a word in this episode, she just got what she wanted from Sawyer and pretty much watched the other ladies the rest of the time. What do you think is going on inside of her head? And now that she has a gun, she’s not going to give it back.
Ana Lucia was shown in the previews for next week. What do you think she’s up to?
I’m not too sure about Kate returning the gun, she’s most likely not to give it back.
Locke well – Locke has weakened and is withering – he allowed Henry to get the better of him. Locke should had been more on point with Henry’s manipulative manner. I am surprised and dissapointed
Ana Lucia will be more active on the next episode, I believe (correct me if I’m wrong) I think she will go searching for something – what? I dunno, but it may be the “so called” balloon that henry “supposingly” was on and crash landed. Hmmmmm still not convinced
Has no one noticed the journal entry on the abc site? The person writing the journal states that he’s just found out his brother is being held captive and not being treated properly – check it out!
Sher– Where is this found?? I haven’t found it anywhere on ABC.com or oceanic-air.com
Kevin– There’s some speculation that maybe this “abandonment” of that hatch was staged, so that Claire would find those things on purpose. Why? Don’t know, personally.
May be of interest, but in one of the podcasts, they gave away something about Locke’s past–the support group was not for family issues (as many of us may have suspected)–it was for anger management.
Cecilia
I don’t think Locke was manipulated by henry. I think he was faking it to get let henry feel like he has the upper hand and thus allowing locke to try to figure out what henry’s deal is. why would he react so outrageously and toss those dishes and whatnot unless he was doing it on purpose, to let henry think he got to him. Doesn’t seem like locke to me.
again, to everyone, Locke was totally faking when he got upset and tossed those dishes. He’s too smart to let henry just say something so elementary and have it affect him.
The journals can be found at the end of the recaps section on abc.com. There are a few little icons, one for pictures and one for the journal – wow, if you haven’t read these, then you will be really entertained. They start from season one…the last journal entry for season one is very interesting…enjoy! Let me know your thoughts…
I know what the numbers mean!
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=4.815+162.342&spn=98.389954,150.292969&iwloc=A&hl=en
If you unscramble the name “Henry Gale Minnessota” it will come out as —– an “other” man lyeing. or if you think about it, it could state —–another man lyeing.
Graeme – how can you be soo sure about Locke faking anger? I’m not too sure Locke is faking it – he seemed genuinely upset to me, for a while now – Locke has had this unconspicuous competitive attitude w/Jack and vice versa – Ever since Locke discovered this hatch he has felt underminded by Jack on several occassions and made a point to tell Jack that he too can make decisions (ie the changing of the combination lock, storing the guns, hunting alone) Locke has made decisions solo without consulting Jack – I figured he didn’t want too. I dunno – Locke doesn’t like the fact that he has to concur with Jack on any level….
NICOLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I’ve never seen that before on any forum. Oh I hope you’re the first one to figure it out. If you are, hats off to you girl. WOW.
wow… i read thru all the posts and no1 said nething about this….. when kate was going thru the bag..she found the thearical glue and a beard… does the beard look familiar..something like Zeke’s…
also on the little bottles i saw the numbers 4 8 15 16 23 42.. couldnt read any of the words, if some1 else could make them out pleaze post it
Okay, I’ve read through the “Journals” on the ABC website and in the latest entry (for Maternity Leave) the author says “my brother is being held in the hatch”.
Has anyone figured out who is writing this? It is a different person that season one….
THIS SHOW DRIVES ME NUTS!!!!!
graeme–Honestly, I thought it was more just bad writing on the writer’s part. Like the theatrical glue, just overly obvious. But everyone has a different take on these scenes, and that’s ok.
Sher–Thanks for sharing. We are discussing it in the forums now. It does certainly have the tone of when Zeke had the confrontation with Jack: “This is our court, this is our island”.
Nicole & Christine–I’ve seen that before in the forums, sorry. Which is not to say it is wrong. It’s one interpretation, which is an interesting one, but it’s been around for a while.
Zeke–Hate to break it to you, but I think that’s been talked to death also.
I don’t think the Medical hatch was abandoned after Claire escaped. Claire returned to the Losties on day 27 (all day referenced are from lost.cubit.net), Mr. Friendly (aka Zeke) is seen on the boat when Walt is taken on Day 44 and then again by Jack, Sawyer, et al on Day 51, everytime he is in his dirty clothes and beard. On day 57 or 58 (not updated yet so I am guessing) Kate finds the beard. A person could infer that if the medicla hatch has been abandoned then it has only been like a week. It definatly look like more then a week to me. Unless they are just storeing the stuff there for easy access.
I think the costumes are D.A.R.H.M.A. issue. I want to say the glue had the D.A.R.H.M.A. logo on it. Man that D.A.R.H.M.A. orginazation must have some huge infrastructer to it. Just think about everything we have seen with the D.A.R.H.M.A logo, water bottles, key chains, theatrical glue. My favorite was the tiny bath robe with the D.A.R.H.M.A. logo on it. I totally have to get that for my 20 month old son. I really could see ABC opening up a D.A.R.H.M.A. shop. I might buy a key chain, but definatly that little robe.
I think about this show way to much.
I think that they were going to run out of medication inside the hatch. There was a big fight for it (explaining the overturned medicine storage). People were starting to get the sickness so they overused it. The leader got the last bottle (zeke). I think also that there is another place that the “others” are staying at. And when the doctor guy went to talk to the other guy (possibly zekes twin) he asked if the list was made and said that the leader was going to be mad. possibly the leader was killed at one point and the whole place went into anarchy.
I woke up thinking about this today. Why are they so interested in taking the babies? Because they are running a psych experiment on them, and as ruthless as the ‘Others’ are they won’t allow someone who is defenseless to participate. For the abandoning of the med hatch, it’s seems to me that if the ‘Others’ are running experiments, that cleaning up a stage wouldn’t seem that important (think about how the letters / animals ‘shadows’ remained on the wall even after they were gone, it means that they have been there for a long time. Why did they leave, because she escaped… they weren’t sure if she would remember where she was, and don’t forget she abruptly stopped screaming, perhaps they thought someone else from her camp ran in to her. Overturned med storage… you never move something full of important things on wheels like that. I believe the ‘others’ are all doing fine, the exit was well covered, and they left the lights on so that they could return later, or even monitor the hatch from some cameras. The camera comment just made me think about Henery and how he seems to know how the heirarchy on the island works, are there cameras in the swan hatch? Let me know what you think…
I too don’t think the medical hatch was abandoned on that note I also believe that these scientists/doctors/others have several stations on that island. Perhaps that is why there are no footprints, they all probably go underground….Just a thought…
Wow, so some of you think that Locke was just “acting” when he tossed the pots and pans, while others think he really is in a competitive struggle with Jack. Why would he give himself a huge mess to clean up? It just seemed so much like frustration to me.
I apologize for going way off track here, but remember the black smoke that Eko stared down (weeks ago)? Please help me understand its connection to anything else we’re talking about. Is it supernatural, is it “alive”, is it sent by the others? That aspect of the show, to me, is the weirdest. Thanks.
There is a theory out about the powerful organization named Dharma and its conspiracies on starting and implementing a peace movement via genetically enhanced being. And that this group controls the black fog/smoke (a.k.a smokey) is really made up of tiny micro-robotic organisms so its not just one creature but a million little ones all coherent as one train of thought. So I heard…
Kind of like the blog “not just one creature but a million little ones all coherent as one train of thought”.
Heheheh yeah something like that
Hi all, I’m new here but just have to add a comment regarding Locke’s interactions with Henry. One of my first thoughts at the beginning of the episode was that I found it strange that Locke and Jack were so openly discussing Henry within close proximity to the locked door. The large open space between the door and floor is made very obvious in the shots, I think they aren’t stupid enough to think Henry can’t hear them. So early in the episode I was suspecting that Locke and Jack were laying a bit of a trap for Henry–note that when Sayid first brought Henry there Jack was apposed to what they were doing, but in this episode it is Jack who says, and I’m paraphrasing ’cause I don’t remember his exact words “we’ll do this as long as we have to,” to Locke’s questioning about “why” they are doing this. That is a complete role reversal from the beginning of the situation. Seems like a set up to me, they are manipulating Henry to see if Henry will try to manipulate them. Locke’s expression in the last interaction with Henry shows to me that he clearly knows he is being played, and there is understanding in his eyes about what that means (that Henry is an other). However, do I think his angry reaction is staged? No. I think that, despite their conversations and the “good cop/bad cop” act possibly being staged, Locke is still having genuine anger because the comment does hit too close to home for him. Locke is absolutely one of my favorite characters, but he is definitely one unstable guy as far as I’m concerned.
I got my internet connection back now and am reading all your comments. Some very interesting things have come up in the discussion.
Laura, I think you might be on to something. When I watched the episode I didn’t think about it, but when you say so, the first scene in the hatch was quite odd. Though it seems like the choice of wether it is Jack or Locke who is the sensitive one changes through the episodes.
Just posting again to clarify that I’m a different Laura than the other Laura posting comments! Sorry about that, I’ll use my new name if I comment again. I’ve been working on getting through the Lost diary on ABCs site that was posted above. I’d seen it before the male writer took over the journal, but I wasn’t as addicted to the show back then. Interesting. What’s up with the brother thing? Well, I’ve been convinced that Henry is an other, but when it comes to Lost theories any conviction on my part is usually strong evidence that the opposite of my theory is correct!! But yeah, Andreas, it does seem to me there was a role reveral concerning Henry that seemed more purposeful than the normal shifting that we see with these two. It just really struck me, like the characters themselves were playacting.
” Remember the manuscript Hurley was reading? It is called “Bad Twinâ€. ”
Err, i am sorry but i am completely lost. Which manuscript are you talking about?
Archie, the scene where Hurley is reading the “Bad Twin” manuscript can be seen at the end of episode 13 in season 2 – “The Long Con”. I’m sorry if I was a bit unspecific, my head felt like mashed potatoes yesterday due to lack of sleep.
Laura – I was one of the people that believed that Locke was genuinely upset, but after reading your post, I can see how you came across your theory, how interesting – these two guys aren’t DUMMIES (Jack/Locke) although they are competitive, but in the long run its about safety for the group, so yeah good one Laura…
This is the “other” Laura…HA, get it? Laura, I agree with your theory, partly. I couldnt believe that Locke, who supported Sayid’s torturing of Henry, all of a sudden began to take stock in what Henry was saying. It seemed very out of character for someone who seems to be “in tune” with hidden agendas. But then again, perhaps this is the first glimpse we have of “anger management” Locke. Also, I think it’s strange that the producers would conceal so much from the audience in regards to Jack and Locke “play acting” for Henry…so that leads me to believe that Locke is genuinely enraged at Henry’s comment. Time will tell I guess…
Can’t take credit for this idea, but thought it was good enough to share – Perhpas Locke was not acting, he was angry, but not because of what Henry said – Locke was angry because he just realized that Henry is an ‘other’ and he doesn’t want an ‘other’ in the hatch.
Andi–
I think it’s plausible that Zeke & the scientist in the episode could be twins, though I personally don’t believe they are.
I interpreted Hurley’s “Bad Twin” reading somewhat more like this:
http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14935
It’s a wink at the idea of asymmetry in cloning. I don’t believe the characters are literally clones, but more metaphorically, that they exemplify imperfections in how the island reflects back our own images. Used in that sense, “bad” would not have a moral implication; it is merely meant in the same way as “imperfect” or poorly reflective… much like a funhouse mirror.
I find Laura’s interpretation interesting of the Henry Gale/Locke scene. That scene where he throws a hissy fit is a little over-obvious, and I wonder if it is the result of bad writing or good writing myself (to make it obvious as part of an act).
Though I personally still believe that it was to show the contrast between how Eko handles Henry (with authority, and I do not believe in ANY way that he was being manipulated by Henry–in fact, as I’ve said before… I think the act of cutting off the beard and “confessing” only makes sense if you take it not as a literal interpretation of “I’m sorry I killed your 2 friends”… but rather as his wanting forgiveness for what he knows will happen in the FUTURE–namely, that he will kill Henry someday). Locke, I believe, is just not in control of his emotions enough to do the manipulating at that point.
The fact that those scenes are seen so differently by so many different people is really interesting, isn’t it? LOST is a Rorschach inkblot test for it’s viewers.
I don’t really belive Zeke and the scientist are twins either, I would guess that they are the same person, but the twin idea is pretty interesting.
Cecilia, what leads you to believe that Eko knows he will kill Henry later on?
This is totally off topic, but i think that it would be really funny, but also somewhat of a Disappointment, if the island was a Peninsula and the whole time all of the characters could just walk off.
just a thought…is Kate’s toy plane the same kind as the planes on the “catch a falling star” plane mobile in the nursury?
Hey, Laura, that’s an interesting point. I was just discussing with a friend Kate’s toy plane. Why does it hold such meaning for her? There’s the connection with her now-dead doctor friend, but she seems to value it beyond everything else, far more than one would expect for a trinket. Why? It would be cool if it was the same type of toy plane.
I think it’s because it’s the last conection she has with the good person she wishes she were. You can see all the sadness, pain and guilt in her face, she wishes she had never done any of the terrible things she had done, adn that is the only thing she has from before she did them. Plus she loved him and know’s it’s her fault he died.
Laura, the oceanic planes in the mobile are not the same kind as Kate’s toy plane.