Through the Looking Glass

Losties Planning Their Attack

Possible Spoilers

Tonight we see the “game-changer”, the event that will change the scope of the series for the next 3 seasons. The question is what exactly will that be? How many answers will we get and how many more questions will be created in the process? A two hour Jack-centric season finale, coupled with the showdown between the Losties and the Others will undoubtedly provide us with topics of discussion for some time to come.

This is the official description of “Through the Looking Glass”:

SEASON FINALE – Jack and his fellow castaways begin their efforts to make contact with Naomi’s rescue ship.

Following last week’s episode, Charlie is in obvious trouble given his run-in with the femme fatales. Jack has been forced to expedite his plan with the Others fast approaching. And what of Locke? Will we have to wait until Season 4 to see his return?

Preview for Through the Looking Glass

Also, here’s a sneak peek.

Don’t forget that it starts at 9p instead of 10p. Please show respect for everyone that contributes to this site and avoid posting any spoiler-laden information and keep your pre-show comments to a minimum. Most importantly, enjoy the show tonight, read all of the comments before posting, and have fun.

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863 Responses to Through the Looking Glass

  1. Excited for the Finale! says:

    Wow – Am I the first one? So excited for the finale tonight! Can’t wait to check back and hear what everyone else thought of it later!

  2. lost chicka says:

    wow, only 2 comments so far? really excited about tonight’s 2 hour episode but really sad that it’ll be the last new episode till Feb. of next year. there is going to have to be one heck of a cliff hanger. :) can’t wait!

  3. Poor Sayid says:

    Sayid gets captured again. He must be the worst soldier ever. Just once I’d like to see him win.

  4. Sw0rDMaN says:

    Man i am so exited about tonight!!!
    Im just a little sad that after tonight well have to wait a couples of months for new episodes of Lost =( Now that is a sad thing!

  5. JCSMalls says:

    Little disappointed in the lack of action so far. Any one else having a Lost finally party tonight?

  6. GuttahMan says:

    [quote comment="61237"]Sayid gets captured again. He must be the worst soldier ever. Just once I’d like to see him win.[/quote]

    I think this could be considered a spoiler, even though it is in the previews.

    Anyways, tonights ep hopefully will live up to the hype thats been building throughout the season. Too bad i dont have a DVR! See yall later tonight!!

  7. sawyerseviltwin says:

    [quote comment="61237"]Sayid gets captured again. He must be the worst soldier ever. Just once I’d like to see him win.[/quote]

    Sayid was in the Republican Guard….the army that rolled over in the Gulf War….why is it such a suprise he gets captured again?

  8. Austin says:

    Ok, everyone knows whats going to happen. Locke is going to save the day sitting on the black smoke’s back and tearing up the town as he has fully discovered the island secrets that can only be achieved by coming back to life. duh.

  9. Austin says:

    sorry, i forgot to mention that joop will be riding shotgun.

  10. Bobola says:

    That was a weird commnt about the Republican Guard rolling over. Would you want to fight for Saddam?
    Obviously they wouldn’t either esp. againt the best army in the world.
    Jack must be an idiot leading everyone into a trap all together; hasn’t he ever heard of a point man? Don’t see that might be a spoiler since we all saw in in the preview.
    Still, can’t wait for tonite.

  11. let it go says:

    why do we have to burn everybody at the stake for giving away itty bitty little spoilers (like who’s episode it is or sayid gettin captured or charlie gettin beat up by LG women)? especially ones u can see in the previews on this site? can’t we just let it go every once in awhile? it’s in the rules for “no spoilers or disscussion of episode previews” but we’re breaking the rules right now by discussing the episode comin up! cum on! just let it go unless they’re giving away a HUGE thing that isn’t in the previews. remember u have to “be kind and helpful” too. :)

  12. Lesley says:

    I have mixed emotions! I cannot wait for tonite but I am sure going to be jonesing for some LOST a few weeks from now and then for a long time to come….

  13. Bobola says:

    Wonder if Patchy comes along with the Others or is he still smarting? hah ha.
    I bet Charlie buys it but Desmond snuffs the Looking Glass babes. Maybe they hesitate to shoot Des because he’s so dreamy but don’t falter in shooting Charlie after they heard him singing.
    Maybe the French Lady will toss some dynamite at the Others when they have the gang at gunpoint. She seems too smart to get caught up in a field, and what about her daughter?
    Can Para-chica fight? She looks smart…though maybe too smart?

  14. SUper D says:

    We are almost there!!!.. after tonite, a lot of things will change, most of us, will recover our normal life (at least until next february). and others will dig into the past seasons dvd to find answers. But for sure, lets enjoy tonites 2 hours of fanatic pleasure.

  15. LostDamery says:

    I am excited and I will take a few weeks to soak it all in then I will go back to the beginning and fill the rest of my year with a rehash of the season from my DVR…we I am excited and sad like any other addict at the thought of the drought about to come.
    I will be back with 2 cents…

  16. lostie says:

    Wow! Jack is a MESS!

  17. let it go says:

    I luv the show so far!!!!!!!

    i cannot get past jack’s fake beard! it’s miserable to watch!

    poor sayid! poor jin! poor bernard! if jin or sayid die, i’m not watching anymore. probably will, i’ve got about 9 months to get over it. =)

    i luv all charlie’s lines! and rose’s “if u say liv together die alone i’ll punch u” & rose making bernard say “i’m a dentist not rambo”! thank god rose is back! i’ve missed her on the show.

    what the heck is blondie’s problem?

  18. Kurt says:

    I have severe storms interrupting the finale, WShat did jacks newspaper say?

  19. lostie says:

    Kurt, we’re not supposed to know what the Jack’s newspaper said- at least not yet. They didn’t show the article, just him looking at something and getting upset..

  20. let it go says:

    i guess bobola’s wrong. the LG chicks didn’t shoot charlie after he sang. thank god they’re not simon cowell! ;P

  21. lost chicka says:

    luv Through The Looking Glass so far. they better not kill jin or sayid tho!!!!

  22. TanziTwo says:

    [quote comment="61266"]
    Wonder if Patchy comes along with the Others or is he still smarting?
    [/quote]
    Patchy found Locke half dead in the pit and now Patchy is in the process of moving 4 porta-potties over the top of the pit. :^)

  23. lost chicka says:

    - omg it’s walt!!!!!!! it’s walt *jumping & dancing around room screaming* is he really there tho? guess i should wait & see, right. :)

    – the island is under assault of….what????? more & bigger questions!!!!

    – building a runway for the aliens???? i just about screamed when she said that! she’s not lying!

    – why the hell is everybody so mean to hurley!!!!! he shouldn’t let them play on the gulf course or drive the car.

  24. blimblam says:

    HEY ON THE WEST COAST IT’S NOT ON YET. I wanted to come on and see what others had to say about getting ready to see the show. Good thing I quickly scrolled away as soon as the posts turned to comments on the finale….. geez.

  25. lost chicka says:

    - they did NOT just kill sayid, jin, & bernard!!!!!!!!!! they just did NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i’m crying. litterally crying! is that sad or wat? but they didn’t they just heard gun shots!!!! they’re still alive! cuz if they killed ‘em that would mean sun, rose, & me won’t have anybody to live for anymore!!!! (sorry to spoil your fun, blimblam)

  26. Cari says:

    Did Tom make the call to shoot the sand or did Ben tell them to do it beforehand?

  27. Jet Black says:

    Wow, it was a flashforward. I hope they don;’t get rescued; Jack and Kate looked miserable

  28. Canolope says:

    WOW. WHAT? insane.

    So ok, they get off the island….i guess? Alternate life-time stuff?

    And whats with Micheal? Is he immortal?

    CRAZY!!!!!!

  29. Toeknee says:

    We’re gonna have to watch that again.

  30. Jet Black says:

    [quote comment="61316"]Did Tom make the call to shoot the sand or did Ben tell them to do it beforehand?[/quote]
    Ben told them beforehand. THat’s why Tom says “Ben lost it, he doesn’t know what he is doing anymore. we should have killed them for real instead of shooting into the sand”

  31. joeliskey says:

    hmmmm. didn’t see that coming…

    but good to see that locke’s okay!
    i wonder if he stayed on the island.

    and did i hear jack tell the surgeon to page his father?

  32. azandi says:

    WHAT THE FUCK

    O
    M
    F
    G

    (mind implosion)

    btw any theories on who’s funeral it was

  33. vaughn k says:

    dude this sucks charlie’s dead i will miss him but sawyer is a bad ass for killing tom and i think locke was right about making that call…it is the beginning of the end

  34. Toeknee says:

    I’m speechless. I’m trying to think of something to say about the episode, but……nothing. Great episode, great twists, leaves open all sorts of possibilities. I can’t wait until February!

  35. Jet Black says:

    The real question is: was Jack having the flashforward or is that just narrative? If he is maybe he will realize he is not supposed to leave the island.

    Also, I am glad they killed Charlie. He was a dead weight

  36. Canolope says:

    [quote comment="61324"]WHAT THE FUCK

    O
    M
    F
    G

    (mind implosion)

    btw any theories on who’s funeral it was[/quote]

    Juliet??? Kate wouldnt want to go? Jack would be crushed? ya.

  37. Castaway03 says:

    OH MY. That episode is going to drive a lot of people crazy.
    Of course, I loved every second…
    Wow.

  38. GuttahMan says:

    OMFG! that was crazy!! The whole time i thought Jacks flashbacks were right before his father died. Im still wondering why he told the doctor to get his father to see who is more drunk. Best episode of Lost ive seen thus far. Charlie’s death was heartbreaking, we all knew it was comming but to see it actually happen and exactly how it happened was touching.

    Already counting down the days til next season!!

  39. Always confused says:

    If it was a flashforward, what was with Jack having the bandage on his forehead. I agree with Toeknee…this has to be watched again.

  40. Tasha says:

    WOW! I hate to say this but I am sooooo mad right now. When does the next season begin? I definitely agree…that needs to be watched again. WOW.

  41. Jason says:

    what did the newspaper say that jack had? Does any one know where there is a still picture?

  42. Cog says:

    I’m guessing Locke’s funeral. They all get off the island, Jack begins (for some reason) to think that Locke was right all along, begins to see him for the visionary he truly was.

    Plus, there was no one at the funeral. Seriously, does Locke have anyone who would go to his funeral? No.

    My one hesitation is that Locke was seen hightailing it out of there at the end of the ep, so I think it’s possible that he just hid out in the jungle to avoid rescue, while everyone else left.

  43. Tasha says:

    [quote comment="61323"]hmmmm. didn’t see that coming…

    but good to see that locke’s okay!
    i wonder if he stayed on the island.

    and did i hear jack tell the surgeon to page his father?[/quote]

    WOW! YEAH! THIS IS SO WEIRD!!! GOLDEN TICKET????? I am soooo LOST!

  44. vaughn k says:

    if that is a flashforward i bet kate married sawyer and thats the other guy cause she said at the end he will be wondering where i am and obviously its someones funeral from the island…locke maybe? jack said he wasnt friend or family and locke has no one so that would explain why no one was at the funeral

  45. azandi says:

    And, uhh, hey, what the hell? Jack said “page my father”…was that a sarcastic joke or is this some sort of alternate timeline? But that REALLY wouldn’t make any sense….

    omfg, omfg, another year, another WHOLE YEAR….

    omfg……omf…..om…….o…..omfg….

  46. Steve says:

    The writers from Alias did it to me again. The jump forward into time allowing the next season to plug away at filling in the holes. Alias never delivered and I have been on this ride before. Fool me once, shame on you…

    I give. I am off the island along with the rest of them, never to return.

  47. joeliskey says:

    and has anyone ever had a handgrenade blow up right next to you underwater? it seems like it could possibly not be immediately fatal, at least not to one eyed willie.

    btw, is there anyway to change the passcode on my computer to “little old lady from pasadena?”

  48. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="61323"]
    and did i hear jack tell the surgeon to page his father?[/quote]
    Yeah what does that mean? It was in the future, but his father is still alive? Or was he so drugged out that he didn’t remember? Or did he think he was making a joke?

  49. Liz says:

    **Spoiler laden if you haven’t seen it on the other coast yet**

    I’m sorry, but that pretty much sucked. There were some good LOST moments, good action, suspense, but I’m pissed about Charlie–I couldn’t even watch–and I’m sick about the flash forward. And, answers? Like what got answered? Who is Jacob? What is Mikhail made of that he can die multiple times and live to tell the tale? Ben is a sociopathic homicidal maniac–but maybe he’s right? Jack grows up to be his…father? Oh, puleese. Who’s lost? I think viewers are going to be.

  50. lost chicka says:

    [quote comment="61321"]We’re gonna have to watch that again.[/quote]

    AMEN!!! omfg! i’m gonna have a 12 hour high tongight!!!!!!!!!!

  51. Thomas says:

    I think I’ve figured out the solution to the “Why does Walt keep showing up?” equation. Jacob controls island right? So he keeps “transforming” into Walt and encouraging people and things to get done what needs to be done.

  52. joeliskey says:

    not to mention the scripts in his pocket…

    if he is still alive,
    he should know that he’s a granddaddy!!!

  53. Jet Black says:

    Jack’s thing about his father was sarcasm. Why else would he say “don’t you know all I have been through” right after if it wasn’t to remind the other doctor about his father’s tragic death

  54. Tasha says:

    I thought it might have been Ben’s funeral.

  55. Toeknee says:

    I’ve never been a Charlie hater nor a fan of his, but I loved his work in this episode. So I was sad to see him die.

    In a recent podcast, there was an interview with Dominic. He was asked if he was worried about his character getting killed, and he was pretty nonchalant about it. Perhaps he already knew Charlie was a goner before that interview.

  56. Canolope says:

    I hate the flashfoward. BOO on them for it.

    OR is it ALTERNATE REALITY! Think about it. Locke is always saying “this is whats supposed to happen” and Locke says “You aren’t meant to leave”. hmmmm.

  57. vaughn k says:

    the same thing happened that happened in the last two season finales…more questions are piled on top of the ones we already have but they have to start answering them soon and stop messing around

    R.I.P. Charlie

  58. Spencer says:

    jack’s dad hasn’t died yet in his flashbacks… right?

  59. Misskim says:

    Jack’s “flashforward” appeared to be happening throughout the entire journey to the radio tower. For all we know, it was exactly the motivation he needed to turn off the sattelite phone at the beginning of next season. Anyone/anything can interfere w/ the transmission or get the phone from Jack and turn it off. Once it’s disabled, a gps no longer can be established. I don’t think we’re getting off the island anytime soon…..

  60. hello says:

    Everyone knows they don’t kill anyone important unless the music plays. The sudden deaths come to those they introduce the week before. Why the future? I will be thoroughly disappointed if that was the actual future. They must have something better planned for next season, because that ending was ridiculously lame.

  61. brutha says:

    WOW … that was awesome … a flashforward! Only thing that wasn’t consistent was Jack referring to his dead Dad.

    But all the early questions are answered: Dharma was killed by Ben. All the others are dead (except Richard and the others to the “temple”?), Russo has her daughter back, and everyone survives except Charlie (who was ok with dying).

    I wonder if they’ll do next season back on land to work out “why they weren’t supposed to leave.” My guess is the funeral was for Ben or Locke. Perhaps Naomi was working for Penelope’s dad.

    But overall, this was a kickass finale. Jack stood his ground. Syed and Sawyer kicked butt. And Jack makes out with Juliet and then he tells Kate he loves her….

  62. Peter says:

    I don’t think it was flash forward because Jack was telling the doctor to bring his father down, and to compare who was more intoxicated. No?

    It was sad to see Charlie die but we was expecting this to happen. Ughhh! Lost is the best tv show ever!

  63. yupper says:

    i think maybe it was suppose to be sawyer’s funeral.

  64. Shoopuffman says:

    I’m thinking that it was ben’s funeral… Jack showed up because, I guess he owed him an apology, finally realizing that Ben was right. That would explain why no one showed up, since obviously none of the other losties would hold sympathy to hte man that kidnapped and killed their people.

  65. kristena says:

    [quote comment="61350"]jack’s dad hasn’t died yet in his flashbacks… right?[/quote]

    I’m pretty sure there was a scene with Jack at the coroner’s in sydney, identifying his father’s body

  66. Rick W says:

    Do you think it was Ben in the coffin? Everyone hates him now and thinks he is a fraud.

  67. OMGim angry says:

    did anyone else cry when charlie died? I thought it was the saddest thing ever =(

  68. colberto says:

    I loved every minute of it! It really is some amazing writing…each time they give you an answer…two more questions arise.

    Well it will be well worth the wait. Just hope ABC doesn’t shove it back to start at Midnight or something! : )

  69. Nick says:

    I’m not sure if they could of left it more wide open. I think Jack was being sarcastic about this dad. I think it was Sawyer who died, for some reason. So much to ponder. So many replays to watch.

  70. Will says:

    I have to say that this finale definitely delivered. 15 deaths (i could be off there), if Mikhail has indeed kicked it.

    One quick point. I think what we saw was a possible “flash-forward” for Jack. The one thing that stuck out to me was that based on the dialogue it seemed that his father was still alive. Either that, or Jack was totally off his rocker, which is possible. If Christian is still alive, then something happened on the Island to alter the past, and obviously the future.

  71. vaughn k says:

    i think the real hero in this episode is Hugo Hurley…everyone should be proud of the most beloved lostie for finally getting to be part of the action and he saved everone of their lives…Long Live Hugo

  72. Tim says:

    I think it was either sawyer or jack’s other girl that was at the funeral because sawyer has no one at all either that would come to his funeral.

  73. lost chicka says:

    alright got to try & get this all out:
    1) i knew they wouldn’t kill sayid, jin, or bernard! the others are to big of manipulators to actually kill them.
    2) i think it was a flash forward. and i think kate is with sawyer now. don’t know who’s funeral tho.
    3) radinsky (or it’s something like that) was on the other side of that call! wasn’t he in the hatch with desmond and the guy who taught sayid how to torture people or was he the guy who supposedly shot himself in the hatch? i can’t remember which but he’s one of those, right? help me out here people.
    4) i can’t believe charlie died like that! mikhail is gonna die one way or the other.
    5) i luv how hurley saved the day & killed o what’s his name & i agree with sawyer that tom didn’t mean it.
    6) flippin awesome episode!!!!!!!! i can’t stop screaming!

  74. Liz says:

    You know what, this was a pretty frustrating viewing experience. But not in the good way, in the I’m-mad-and-impatient way. It ended bleak and hopeless, so the point would be…what gets lost stays lost? Jack becomes a jerk? The Flash Forward means…nothing? Everything? So why watch 3 more years of adventure and killing and whacky mystery if hero Jack learns nothing and becomes zero Jack?
    Can’t think of a good reason.

  75. CC says:

    The funeral was for BEN!!!! He is neither family or friend!!! And NOBODY would go to his funeral!

  76. juliettecat says:

    jack saw his dad on the island. We don’t really know if it was an illusion or if he materialized there and was ‘rescued’ as well…explaining why Jack would say to page is father. And Walt???? He has relations to Jacob

  77. Dee says:

    No one has mentioned Penny’s phone call. Where is she and how do she connect to the island from where ever she is? Whos sent the ship and is the story of them all dying just made up by Naomi?

  78. Jet Black says:

    what about Sawyer? Couldn’t it be his funeral? I mean, Kate sounded pissed when she said “why would I go to his funeral”
    Plus, it might sound silly, but she was driving a nice Volvo, Sawyer is too much of a deadbeat to buy her that car

  79. Kevin says:

    I think I have a really good theory that I developed based on some other comments. First of all it was not penny’s boat as Naomi had originally said, so something is fishy about that. Second maybe the vision of jack in the future was that of desmond’s and desmond calls jack and tells him it is not the rescue boat that jack turns of the phone.

  80. Spencer says:

    could the “flashforward” be a flashback, with Jack and Kate as siblings? What if they “shouldn’t have left” their father?

  81. vaughn k says:

    did anyone notice how much older walt looked and it has only been like a month since they left…clearly the island slows time from the real world unless that was either a) an illusion of lockes since he was pretty messed up or b) jacob looking like walt

    and why couldnt locke move his legs when he first woke up?

  82. brutha says:

    [quote comment="61349"]the same thing happened that happened in the last two season finales…more questions are piled on top of the ones we already have but they have to start answering them soon and stop messing around

    I disagree … they’ve answered most of the old questions of what is dharma and who are these “others,” and do they get off of the island.

    They have introduced some new issues like the Locke/Walt & Jacob angle trying to keep them on the island and Penelope still looking for Desmond and her lack of relationship to Naomi.

    I vote that either Ben or Locke in the casket. I also think that this a Shawshank Redemption thing that Jack can’t re-adjust to the regular world.

  83. johhny fiction says:

    [quote comment="61337"]And, uhh, hey, what the hell? Jack said “page my father”…was that a sarcastic joke or is this some sort of alternate timeline? But that REALLY wouldn’t make any sense….

    omfg, omfg, another year, another WHOLE YEAR….

    omfg……omf…..om…….o…..omfg….[/quote]

    jacks gone crazy he doesnt know what has happened and hes in shock thats why he says page my father he doesn’t know hes dead

  84. what the??!?! says:

    I think the funeral is Locke’s. I hope that is not a true flash forward! Who wants to look forward to that. What about the comment that a “musician” made up the code for blocking the signals???? Who do you think that is???

  85. Jamal says:

    it was heartbreaking to see my boy charlie die… buuut.. what was up with him being able to play the song RIGHT AWAY?!? he didn’t even have to listen to the keypad before he started typing… what a BEAST!!!!

    and my boy WALT returned!!!! with a new MANLY BEASTLY voice!!! represent!!

  86. Lindsey says:

    HELLLOOOOO people…if Jack is strung out on drugs in the future, then so what if he says page my father? HE IS ON DRUGS??!!!!???!!! I don’t think that discredits it as a flashforward.

    I give the episode a 6. It had its great moments but it was no chin dropper by any means.

    My guess is the next 3 years will be spent seeing these flashforwards to how getting off the island actually effected their futures, and how different life would have been if they had stayed.

    My vote for the funeral? Locke. He was the man that Jack did not like, but yet, somehow strangely admired (thus the going to see his “body” or whatever).

    I’ll keep following until the end, but this “blockbuster” season finale was not nearly as good as “The Man Behind the Curtain.” Maybe that rockin’ episode spoiled me, I dunno. But this was no where close to that.

    (but I still love the show, just bein’ honest!)

  87. joe says:

    why was the funeral in a ‘black’ area? what does that clue mean? and why did charlie allow himself to die? to bring forth damon’s prophecy i suppose…can’t see another reason…and finally, the stupid van episode comes back to actually mean something!

  88. Dem says:

    Man… that was the big game chager? I’m seriously disappointed. Now the suspense is ruined for at least two characters we know won’t be dying on the island. The best part of Lost to me is the mythology, and what’s going on on the island. I wish we had learned more about that.

  89. brutha says:

    I disagree that they have answered any questions… they’ve answered most of the old questions of what is dharma and who are these “others,” and do they get off of the island.

    They have introduced some new issues like the Locke/Walt & Jacob angle trying to keep them on the island and Penelope still looking for Desmond and her lack of relationship to Naomi.

    I vote that either Ben or Locke in the casket. I also think that this a Shawshank Redemption thing that Jack can’t re-adjust to the regular world… and what about this “secret” he referred to Kate in the flashforward?

  90. Michelle says:

    Okay and what is up with the boat? It is NOT PENNY’S BOAT! Well then whose boat is it? This is crazy!!!!! I can’t take this!!!

  91. azandi says:

    (chilled out)

    Aight, really exhilirating episode, the Others finally got their long-overdue ass-kicking, especially that Tom jackass. Liked how Hurley finally pulled through in the end, felt good about that, Charlie’s death was probably the single biggest kill-offs on the show to date.

    But again, this episode did what every other season finale of Lost has done…answering virtually no questions and compounding them with even newer ones.

    Such juicy questions people should be asking after this would be:

    a. Whats the “temple” Ben mentioned?

    b. What exactly is the nature of Naomi’s team? It appears they’re not associated with Penelope after all, since in the hatch rendevouz with Charlie she hadn’t heard of Naomi, unless that was some sort of time-warp.

    c. If Naomi’s team really are “bad guys”, whats their true face?

    d. How did Walt re-appear on the island?

    e. What impelled Locke to confront Jack again?

    f. Who’s funeral was Jack trying to attend in the future? What became of the rest of the 815 passangers?

    g. What happened to the rest of the Hostiles? Who is Jacob?

    Oh, and lets not forget the Season 2 finale loose-ends…

    h. What the hell is the four-toed statue that was briefly glimpsed and not so much as mentioned again?

    i. What became of Michael and Walt?

    And perhaps the original mystery of Lost…

    j. WHAT THE FUCK IS THE MONSTER

  92. solitude says:

    Ok so Jack had a prescription with his dads name on it. But didn’t want to have his office called. Is he delusional and thinks his dad is still alive.

  93. frank says:

    if that was a flash forward how was Jack’s beard (actually his stubble) gray on the island and dark with no gray after?

  94. lost chicka says:

    couple points
    a) naomi is NOT who she says she is. i’m glad we have that cleared up now q no. 1 that was answered.
    b) penny is still searching for desmond! aah..true love. (what a load of crap!)
    c) i hate jack! he says i luv u to kate right after he sucks the life outa juliet! what a cheater!
    d) i think ben is right about everything & we should all be kissing the ground he walks on. he’s the best damn character on the show in my book.
    e) i don’t think it was sawyer’s funeral or locke’s. i think locke will stay on the island with a few other folks.
    f) the brown haired girl in the LG wasn’t sawyer’s ex.
    g) hurley is awesome! not only can he build a golf course, fix a car for everybody to drive around in, but he can also be the hero!

    can’t wait to read the next 50 comments about to show up on my screen! :)

  95. what the??!?! says:

    I noticed the gray too!

  96. Brendan says:

    I am not sure whose funeral it was, but that casket was definetly not adult man sized. Either a child or a woman.

  97. whatif says:

    I think that jack is regretting the decision to get off the island as he understand what the island stands for. That’s why he wants to go pay his respect to Ben at his funeral and tries to convince Kate to go back to the island. I don’t think they all got off the island – i think there was a deal made to rescue a number of survivors and next year we will see two parallel lives: of those who got off the island and those who remain on the island. In other words, next season losties and others will fight hand-in-hand to protect their island against outside forces brought in by naomi…

    Also, the reason why i think it’s ben’s funeral is because I don’t think his character serves a point any longer because can’t protect the island any more.

  98. brutha says:

    I predict a flashfoward pattern next season. There’ll still be scenes from the island with “flashforwards” rather than flashbacks since we know that they’re going to get off the island.

    The question now is what is this “secret” of the island and how it’s affecting the survivors.

  99. Jake says:

    To Frank:

    Once he rejoined society, he also rejoined the Hair Club for Men.

  100. Hutt says:

    Jack definitely had a “flashfoward”. Did anyone notice all the charts and maps in his apartment? He is trying to find the island again using his golden ticket.

  101. katesFriend says:

    i was kind of thinking that maybe locke will proceed to tell jack and everyone in the 4th season that if they leave the island, everyone will be f’d up so they should stay, and that is what the “flash forward/back” was that we saw

    or maybe jack knows this will happen in the future, but also knows most everyone else (sawyer, kate, jin/sun, etc) will be happy, so he is making the choice to call b/c he knows he must

    finally, i don’t understand why everyone talks so much crap after episodes, what reason is there to doubt the writers now? if you don’t want to watch anymore, fine, but why still write here? sorry, i’m trying to be kind but i really get sick of reading those kinds of posts

    peace! rip charlie!

  102. CC says:

    Also, it can’t be a flash back because Jack said he just flies around the world on the weekends, gets a drink, and then flies back home hoping the plane will crash and they could go back to the way it was and save himself.

  103. SpinPapi says:

    Tom: “OK, I give up.”
    BANG!
    Sawyer: “That’s for takin’ the kid off the raft.”
    Hurley: “Dude, it was over, he surrendered.”
    Sawyer: “I didn’t believe him.”

  104. juliettecat says:

    was it juliette’s casket in the flashforward??

  105. lost chicka says:

    a) jack has always been a zero in my book, never a hero. he’s a jerk. he’s a control freak. all the signs of an abusive person.

    b) it’s not ben’s funeral or locke’s funeral. they would both stay on the island. why the hell would they leave????[quote comment="61376"]what about Sawyer? Couldn’t it be his funeral? I mean, Kate sounded pissed when she said “why would I go to his funeral”
    Plus, it might sound silly, but she was driving a nice Volvo, Sawyer is too much of a deadbeat to buy her that car[/quote]

    he probably got millions & she did too for surviving something like that. but what i wanna know is why the heck isn’t she in jail?!

  106. pillarstone says:

    I would have thought, “if” it was a flash forward that Jacks comment abou his dad (ie go find my dad, and lets see who’s the most drunk) could have been said in two ways….
    1) Jacks dad was drunk for years and still working but no-one ever stopped him (until Jack did) so Jacks kind of saying “why have a go at me, my dad did it for years”
    2) Jack is SO loaded on booze and oxycodone that he’s talking crap – ie doesn’t remember at that moment in his high-life that his dad is dead.

    Now…. I’ve just thought of something …..the bloke in the pharmacy who recognised Jack as being “the hero” – was he referring to him saving the mum and son….if so, dont’ you think a person would remember Jack from being the amazing survivor of oceanic 815 rather than pulling some woman out of a car?!??!?!?!!

  107. JAY says:

    It could have also been Juliett’s funeral.

  108. Cari says:

    I’m a little nervous that now I dont want them to get off the island…especially seeing how Jack ends up. Ben did say to Jack theres noone to go back to ‘father died, wife left, etc…’ I’m nervous for Jack and his future if they get rescued. Does anyone else feel the same way at all?

  109. Brendan says:

    [quote comment="61393"]if that was a flash forward how was Jack’s beard (actually his stubble) gray on the island and dark with no gray after?[/quote]
    That is the greatest call I’ve heard yet. That was definetly intentional. But it was a flash forward since Jack talked about how they weren’t supposed to leave the island. But the gray hair thing means something.
    Also, I believe that Penny’s old man was behind the boat, Richard, and the island. He some billionare Ruport Murdock type guy and could do something diabolical like this on a TV show.

  110. allison says:

    I like the idea of the flash forward being Desmond’s vision…here’s to hoping. I also think that Juliette is going to make a big deal out of Sawyer shooting that other when he had surrendered. Maybe they’re setting up a deterioration of her being on our side. Also, Jack never sees his father’s body, so we don’t know he’s dead for sure.

  111. Toeknee says:

    The “viewing”….

    Remember Jack cried when he first read the notice in the paper, and shortly after, tried to kill himself. Whose death would prompt those reactions by Jack? And, who would Kate despise so much that she didn’t care that the person died. I think most likely is Juliet, but I could see it being Locke or even Michael.

    Another prediction: This topic will reach 1000 comments by early next week.

  112. John says:

    I think the funeral is for Michael. He wasent family and after leaving them he would not be a friend. Leaving could have strained the father son relationship causing no one to show up at the funeral. I don’t get the Jack’s dad thing. Maybe they return to the island next season to figure out what happened.

  113. CC says:

    Fo the person who mentioned it might be Juliettes casket, I can see that, but then wouldn’t her sister and nephew go to the funera?

  114. FMGreenSteve says:

    Wow, I forgot how the season finale’s bring EVERYONE out of the woodwork… 1000+ comments by the end of the week, I’m sure.

    It was a great ending and an excellent episode with MANY clues during the flashforward. A few more viewings and I’ll have a firmer grip on things.

    Seeing as I’ve got 9 months to read all your comments and theories until the next Lost episode airs, I’m going to bed now!

  115. Misskim says:

    For the record:
    We did NOT see anyone get rescued or leave the island. We did see some form of “flashforward”…..this doesn’t mean it will or has happened.

  116. vaughn k says:

    CARI i am with u i am nervous too cause in a way i dont want them to get off the island cause then they will all leave each other and forget about one another and i think des will get a hold of them in time

  117. pillarstone says:

    [quote comment="61392"]Ok so Jack had a prescription with his dads name on it. But didn’t want to have his office called. Is he delusional and thinks his dad is still alive.[/quote]

    ——
    no he’s not delusional – hes addicted on alcohol and prescription pain killers. I would presume he faked his dads signature

  118. Gerber says:

    remember when desmond was telling charlie that he had to die this time, he also mentioned that claire and the baby were leaving the island in a helicopter. just a little preview of next season. i cant wait!

  119. Salvatore Giudice says:

    1.) The funeral was for Ben.
    2.) The boat likely belongs to the supporters of the original Dharma project that have been trying to reclaim the island since losing it to the hostiles.
    3.) It’s obvious Ben has been going to great length to hide the island, keep outsiders out, and keep his people in.
    4.) There is significant evidence that Jack’s flashback is really a flash forward. It’s obvious that everyone got a “golden ticket” from oceanic airlines for their troubles. This places the flashbacks in the future after the rescue.

    flashback inconsistencies:
    1.) Why is Kate not in jail if she has been returned to civilization?
    2.) Why is Jack’s father alive?

    My best guess is that next season becomes the season where everyone scrambles to get back to the island. It seems to be a place that nobody likes when they are there, but everyone wants to return to once they leave.

    BTW, remember Libby in the nut house? Maybe she was a good example of what happens after returning from the island.

  120. Bert says:

    Lame. I always fool myself into watching this show, after it betrays me time and time again. Will they answer some questions for once? Even if they answered one question an episode for the next three years, they couldn’t wrap it up at this point. Another disappointing finale after a lot of hype. Don’t get me wrong, I’m a fan: there have been some great plot twists and developments recently, but this was not one of them. And is it just me, or does the soundtrack totally blow? It’s so bad it’s distracting, especially when they throw in the drums randomly.

    Sorry if this isn’t constructive, but I feel pretty let down.

  121. juliettecat says:

    remember this easter egg…

    in the brainwashing room…the sound bit played backswards says “only fools are trapped by space and time” (as best as I can recall)

  122. Chelsea says:

    ok…so sad charlie died….why couldn’t he lock himself in the same room as desmond? he HAD to be in the room that was flooding? how is it that penny was immediately on the tv AS SOON AS the signal was unblocked? and what about that team of hers in the north? ahh….poor poor charlie….i’m not gonna lie…i shed a tear for him :( i’m wondering if locke is now having the future visions instead of desmond, since desmond told charlie that he didn’t see anything anymore. also notice that this time, ben’s “daughter” didn’t call him dad-she called him ben. and lastly…good job hurley!

  123. chad says:

    This was a great one.

    The remark Jack made about his dad was to important for it to just be a “crackhead” moment. If anything we have learned that EVERYTHING is important.

    I was glad to see Hurley come through.

    I think Walt’s manly change was addressed awhile back for actually being a reason for him and micheal leaving the island….that he hit a wicked growth spurt and him leaving was written in because of it. Even if he was a key player back in the beginning there has been NO mention of him or micheal lately.

    The Good Vibrations part….that had to be the most obscure part of the song that Charlie just hammered out.

    I think that the funeral could have been ben’s. I think in the end Jack would recognize Locke as a friend, it’s in his nature.

  124. lost chicka says:

    i dissagree with EVERYBODY who says the show wasn’t that great. it was flippin awesome!!!! i was screaming at the tv the whole time!!!!! i LOVED it!!!! a jaw dropper, a truly lost episode! i’m buying the next disc set! forget saving $50 it’s worth it!

  125. lostfan1 says:

    jack said that about his dad because he was trippin’. he dad is dead and it is a flash forward

  126. jojo says:

    [quote comment="61374"]No one has mentioned Penny’s phone call. Where is she and how do she connect to the island from where ever she is? Whos sent the ship and is the story of them all dying just made up by Naomi?[/quote]
    Why “Not Penny’s Ship” on Charlie’s hand?

  127. Shaun says:

    The funeral was for Ben I believe.

    Not sure why Charlie laid down and died; couldn’t he have left with Desmond when the portal blew? After all, the chamber has an open water entrance, so it isn’t like they couldn’t escape together.
    You know the radio is bad news, because in the end Ben gives you the ugly truth, whether you believe it or not. He’s a great character.
    I think Jack’s future is just a possibility – considering that Charlie was supposed to have died repeatedly in the future and did not, we know that the future can be altered. Then again, was the future fixed, and Desmond simply made happen what was supposed to happen by forseeing and preventing Charlies many deaths? Hmmm….you be the judge.

    People keep saying that there are too many things unanswered, but the writers answered numerous questions this season, and I imagine they’ll continue to fill in the gaps in the future as they open new ones up.

    Very entertaining show.

  128. vaughn k says:

    can we talk about mikhail for a second and forget about them getting off the island right now cause this dude clearly has nine lives and we have to worry about whats going on now not later

  129. Ken Noetzel says:

    People are commenting on the casket – bout who is in it – everyone sugguesting persons who are adults (and adult size) – did you not notice how small (small in length) the casket was. Like boy or girl size casket, not a man or wowem size casket. Did I make a mistake or did others see a small size casket also.

  130. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="61409"]
    Now…. I’ve just thought of something …..the bloke in the pharmacy who recognised Jack as being “the hero” – was he referring to him saving the mum and son….if so, dont’ you think a person would remember Jack from being the amazing survivor of oceanic 815 rather than pulling some woman out of a car?!??!?!?!![/quote]
    That’s a great point! I wonder if the reason noone recognized him as a survivor of 815 if related to what he said to Kate at the end about being sick of lying. Perhaps as a condition of their rescue, they were required to not speak about the island. However, I’m not really sure how their disappearance and reappearance in the real world would be explained – perhaps it’s related to a difference in timeline on the island vs. that in the real world.

  131. CC says:

    Also, when Jack’s ex wife came to see him in the hospital…wasn’t she pregnant?

  132. FMGreenSteve says:

    [quote comment="61415"]…Another prediction: This topic will reach 1000 comments by early next week.[/quote]
    :-)

    One last thought from me. The title was “Through The Looking Glass”…and there are countless ways to interpret it.

    Literally: Water poured in through the looking glass killing Charlie.

    Figuratively: The flashforward was not actually the future, but an image of a potential future, seen “through the looking glass.”

    Literally: Penny spoke to Charlie through the looking glass.

    Indirectly: Through the destruction of the equipment in the looking glass, it became possible to establish contact with Naomi’s ship.

    I’m currently a big fan of my figurative interpretation… ask me again in 5 months and I’ll have changed my mind!

  133. azandi says:

    Someone mentioned this before, and I think its pretty damn safe to surmise that the funeral ws for Juliet. Would definitely explain the small casket-size, why no one showed up (they all reviled her) and why Jack was so devastated. I can’t think of a better candidate…

  134. Larry says:

    I think the flashfoward is legit, but only half of the survivors were rescued. Jack, Kate, Ben, and all the rest that were at the tower were rescued, but Sayid, Sawyer, Hurley, Desmond, Locke, Juliette, Bernard, and Jin are still on the island. Jack wants to go back but the island is undetectable. He feels guilty for leaving them on the island.

    Also, didn’t some of the others survive?

  135. Lesley says:

    Holy crap! I agree with ToeKnee we are going to have to watch that again (and again)! Jack started to cry and called someone when he read the newspaper article so it was someone he cared about, probably not Ben. Viewing was in a poor neighborhood and at first I was thinking he was there for drugs, is that a clue? WHy would no one come? Was it Walt or Michael?? Hospital looked odd as well. Maybe entering the code in the LG did something to the time/space continuum? Ben said they would all be killed by them and Penny claimed no knowledge of them so Naomi really was a liar? Yikes! This is going to take weeks to analyze. Does that mean next year Jack spends his time trying to get back or does the show now work backwards for the year? Hurley was grand! I loved ithe whole show, completely unexpected turns. Runway for aliens was the best line too. Very nice indeed.

  136. me says:

    #1. Funeral was for a female. Priest said “It was a viewing and no one showed up for her”

    #2 We see Jacks dad’s casket empty after the crash and his dad’s body is not located.

    Personally I hated the flash forward stuff. Kinda know how it ends now.

  137. pillarstone says:

    [quote comment="61426"]1.)
    2.) Why is Jack’s father alive?

    [/quote]

    ————
    why do you think jacks dad is alive? Because of whay Jack said when he was desperate and high???

  138. Chelsea says:

    [quote comment="61435"]can we talk about mikhail for a second and forget about them getting off the island right now cause this dude clearly has nine lives and we have to worry about whats going on now not later[/quote]
    I know! and i don’t remember….do we actually see him swim off, or does he die after the grenade?? i hate that guy! i think he is going to kill ben…what do u think? hmm…maybe he has something to do with jacob’s existence?

  139. Jb says:

    i tried very hard to stop the tivo at the newspaper—-i thought it said Alan…….something

  140. Lost Sucks! says:

    [quote comment="61377"]I think I have a really good theory that I developed based on some other comments. First of all it was not penny’s boat as Naomi had originally said, so something is fishy about that. Second maybe the vision of jack in the future was that of desmond’s and desmond calls jack and tells him it is not the rescue boat that jack turns of the phone.[/quote]

    This is by far the best theory yet. It makes complete sense that it was Desmond seeing into the future–which as we all know can be changed. Desmond is still alive and will be able to change this if need be–OR maybe he will choose not to… in any case–good looks Kevin.

    I also want to put this out there… I think it was most likely Ben’s funeral. Both Locke and Sawyer would have people at their funerals. Plus Locke DEFINITELY would remain on the island as he is clearly obsessed with it.

    Hmmm what else… I think Juliette dies next. And I think Sawyer will be the one to do it–just a hunch. But one thing is for sure–they’re NOT getting off of that island…

  141. Gerber says:

    can we really even say that they are going to get off the island next season based on what happened in tonights episode? if Naiomi’s people are really bad i think they might take charge of the island.

  142. vaughn k says:

    i dont think desmond can see into the future anymore since charlie hit him in the head with the paddle…idk for some reason i just have a feeling about that

  143. JP says:

    So the producers like to play games. The actor who played Michael was supposedly asked to appear in the finale, and refused. So instead we get a Walt who has aged quite a bit since we saw him “60” or so days ago.

    Who do you think was in that casket? Come on! That was the producers making a statement. It was, Michael, you suck so much that nobody, not even your son, goes to your funeral.

    Just a guess.

    Another guess. Locke went by Jacob’s cabin before he went and put the knife in Naomi’s back. Jacob said something more to Locke. Can’t help but think after the show that Locke is right this time.

    Great episode for clearing the decks. 13 of the others dead, including their 10 best, the 2 secret chicks, and Mikhail. Er, Mikhail is dead, right?

    Way to go Hurley! and Charley! and Desmond! and Sawyer! and Rousseau!

  144. Jamal says:

    [quote comment="61386"]why was the funeral in a ‘black’ area? what does that clue mean? and why did charlie allow himself to die? to bring forth damon’s prophecy i suppose…can’t see another reason…and finally, the stupid van episode comes back to actually mean something![/quote]

    TIME OUT…. just because you saw 3 African-Americans, you’re gonna call the neighborhood a “BLACK” area???
    what the??????

  145. vaughn k says:

    1) Mikhail is a crazy bastard
    2) They are not going to be rescued
    3) Would the losties and others team up when these new people come to the island?
    4) Where the hell is locke going?
    5) I LOVE LOST

  146. SpinPapi says:

    Jack said “neither” to the dead person being friend or family. so enemy? Ben?

    yeah, if they’d killed Jin I wouldn’t have watched anymore. (yeah right…I just would have hated the producers for not paying him enough to stay on.)

    rescue? who thinks they’re actually gonna be rescued? I could see maybe Jack and Kate getting off the island, but not everyone. they set it up to be baddies a comin…

    Steve (Comment 46), I don’t blame you, but why do you think they won’t deliver here? They know when they’re ending…there will be an end. I’m sure they used Alias to sell the network on setting an endpoint for LOST. learned from THEIR mistake.

    joeliskey (47): that hand grenade was only set to half power.

    they answered TONS of questions! (I’m sure others, haha, will enumerate.)

    hello (60): funny about they don’t kill anybody unless the music plays. that’s when we knew Charlie wasn’t swimmin out that window…that he had a mission to do and was gonna make SURE Desmond understood his message and would be motivated to take it back. that he was definitely gonna die. right. then. absolutely awesome.

  147. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="61427"]Lame. I always fool myself into watching this show, after it betrays me time and time again. Will they answer some questions for once? Even if they answered one question an episode for the next three years, they couldn’t wrap it up at this point. Another disappointing finale after a lot of hype. Don’t get me wrong, I’m a fan: there have been some great plot twists and developments recently, but this was not one of them. And is it just me, or does the soundtrack totally blow? It’s so bad it’s distracting, especially when they throw in the drums randomly.

    Sorry if this isn’t constructive, but I feel pretty let down.[/quote]
    I don’t think you have to apologize. But I wonder, why do you think they have to answer questions? I think the story is compelling regardless of how many questions they answer. And, to be fair, they actually answered several questions. Going back to season one, there were questions about the radio tower – now we’ve seen it. There were questions about Danielle and how the Others didn’t seem to know about her – well, we found out that Ben knew that Danielle was Alex’s mother. Going back just 2 episodes, the big question was, Is Locke going to live or die – perhaps many people assumed he would live, but it was still an open question that they could have left open until next season, but thankfully they answered it tonight.

    I just don’t understand why people say “They never answer questions”, when the reality is, they anwer questions all the time. Maybe not the BIG questions, but if they answered even some of those, there might not be any point in continuing with the story.

  148. avalanche says:

    does anyone think there is a parallel between penny and jack. in his flash forward he was trying to find the island again. penny was trying to find the island. does this mean she will be/was on the island?

  149. Stephen says:

    [quote comment="61378"]could the “flashforward” be a flashback, with Jack and Kate as siblings? What if they “shouldn’t have left” their father?[/quote]
    that couldnt happen only because jack tlks about the golden pass given to them by the company of the airplane

  150. Liz says:

    On the plus–
    1.Jack stood up to Ben
    2.Jack said how he felt about someone, that was probably the most shocking part of the show–except that we saw it a million times in previews
    3.Hurley being Hugo Hurley amazing, gotta love him
    4.Jack punching Ben
    5.Sawyer–a really heartwarming moment of him shooting Tom. Perfect.
    6.all of Charlies scenes up until death by drowning

    on the it sucks side:
    1.the entire flash forward–repetetive, stupid, pointless and a downer
    2.Charlie dying–can’t talk about it
    3.mysterious reappearace (or was it) of Walt–another instance of ‘the island’ speaking something pseudo portentious to someone? getting old.
    4.Locke is really starting to annoy me. a lot.
    5.yeah, yeah, get it about Dharma–Ben killed 40 people including his father. nice guy. And what about those deeper mysteries of the island? the temple? who’s worshipping who? or used to? no answers to be had there. are we going to care by the time we get answers?
    6.civilization–where have you gone? lost with a lot of the plot flow. moral fiber? Locke hit the skids when he locked up his father with Sawyer and stood by. that was completely icky. Contrarily, Sawyer moved up a few notches IMO. Jack’s holding steady–but I guess is ultimately doomed because he couldn’t find his inner truth and manage to take it off the island with him accd to the FF which may or may not be true of what happens and would make a lot of things really stupid if it was true, Kate seems to be improving–
    7.underutilization of Jin and Sayid–nice to see Bernard and Rose back around, tho

  151. Mark says:

    A excerpt from the novel Through the Looking Glass (note the comparison to Jack’s flash forward):

    ‘It’s very good jam,’ said the Queen.
    ‘Well, I don’t want any TO-DAY, at any rate.’
    ‘You couldn’t have it if you DID want it,’ the Queen said. ‘The rule is, jam to-morrow and jam yesterday–but never jam to-day.’
    ‘It MUST come sometimes to “jam to-day,”‘ Alice objected.
    ‘No, it can’t,’ said the Queen. ‘It’s jam every OTHER day: to-day isn’t any OTHER day, you know.’
    ‘I don’t understand you,’ said Alice. ‘It’s dreadfully confusing!’
    ‘That’s the effect of living backwards,’ the Queen said kindly: ‘it always makes one a little giddy at first–‘
    ‘Living backwards!’ Alice repeated in great astonishment. ‘I never heard of such a thing!’
    ‘–but there’s one great advantage in it, that one’s memory works both ways.’
    ‘I’m sure MINE only works one way,’ Alice remarked. ‘I can’t remember things before they happen.’
    ‘It’s a poor sort of memory that only works backwards,’ the Queen remarked.”

  152. Hurley's Dad says:

    I am (as many of you are) one of the biggest fans of this show around. It has risen to the top of my all time favorites and will probably stay there because I do have faith in the writers/producers that this will tie together in the end.

    I also LOVED almost every minute of this week’s finale right up to and including when Kate walked out of the shadows.

    You will be hard pressed to find me criticize this show on any of the threads here. That being said…

    I very much disliked the ending.

    I do think this will push casual fans away, leaving only the crazies like us. I don’t see how this ending is a good thing for the show in general.

    But I’ll be back in February! :)

  153. DB says:

    I was just thinking about the underground hatch with the code that Charlie turned off. When he kills the code, Penny sends an alert. How did Penny have a direct communication link to a hatch that Ben was defending? Are Penny and Ben connected in some way?

    The casket – personally, I thought it was for one of the babies – either Sun’s or Claire’s. It was a tiny casket, as others have pointed out, and the thought of one of the babies dying might be too much for any of the survivors to bear, so they don’t show up to the funeral. Or maybe I’m crazy.

  154. vaughn k says:

    Sawyer is a bad ass too i am sooo tied of the losties just taking them captive and then they end up escaping…KILL THEM when u get the chance…god job sawyer tom is a bitch

  155. juliettecat says:

    don’t forget that in the episode re: Ben’s history w/ the island, the hostiles found him wondering thru the forest..and he (can’t remember his name-dark hair blue shirt/ben’s sidekick) hasn’t aged.

  156. kingquinn says:

    ok this is so asome /jack and kat got rescued?
    come on i cant wait atell feb!

  157. lost chicka says:

    a) why has everybody been so mean to hurley lately? he’s awesome! i hope next time they see him for the hero he truly is. :)

    b) why is it suddenly dawning on people that they don’t answer very many questions? it always take forever for questions to be answered! it’s lost for crying out loud & they call it lost because thats exactly how you’re supposed to feel at the end of every episode. as lost as the people on the island!

    c) am i the only person concerned about how charlie’s greatest hits are going to be unreadable!?

    d) so do u think it was really walt or just a manifestation/vision? i say it was walt’s superpowers.

    e) i say that either many of the losties choose to stay on the island or jack helps the others purge most of the losties except for a few of the other smart ones.

    f) i thought for a moment it could be juliet’s funeral, or sawyer’s, or…

    g) why do they all want to get off the island? i’m surprised they still have any hope. come on 90 days on an island, there’s been a french chick stuck for 16 years, u find out some dude’s been down in a hatch for 3 years, and the natives are evil. i would just do whatever the hell it was the hostiles wanted me to do and give up hope on rescue.

  158. Tim says:

    [quote comment="61440"]Someone mentioned this before, and I think its pretty damn safe to surmise that the funeral ws for Juliet. Would definitely explain the small casket-size, why no one showed up (they all reviled her) and why Jack was so devastated. I can’t think of a better candidate…[/quote]

    funeral guy said – “was it friend or family?”, jack said neither – suggesting Ben or at least not Juliet IMHO!

  159. Josh says:

    Ben says that they will die if they are rescued. Alpert has hit the fountain of youth. I think he means that they will die –eventually— if they leave the island, but live forever if they stay.

    Jack’s dad has got to be alive. Someone wanted Jack on Oceanic 815. His Dad’s fake death got him there.

    Bonnie and her partner were thought to have been “stationed in Canada.” Stationed? Who “stations” people? Everything on the island has had the flavor of super-funding – not by a few billionaires, but government backing makes more sense with some of the crazy technology that exists there.

    The new “others,” Naomi’s crew, were perhaps stuck on the island like the 815 crew at some point. They are trying to find it. Just like Jack wants to find the island again in the future.

    Season 4 – 6: 815 passengers get off the island and then attempt to re-find the island

  160. brutha says:

    One last thought on Charlie … a lot of people are commenting on his death and why he didn’t try to get out.

    But in the end Charlie had to die … they told us on the show and off it over and over again. He also felt that he had to die exactly in the manner that Desmond envisioned in order for Claire and the baby to be rescued. It was a hero’s death.

    I think the reference to Jack’s dad is irrelevant since he was drunk/high. I’m more curious to hear people’s thoughts on Walt’s return and Locke’s mission. Locke just ran off when Jack made the call. Also, the funeral was in a black neighborhood … does Michael return and cause trouble?

  161. lost chicka says:

    [quote comment="61415"]The “viewing”….

    Remember Jack cried when he first read the notice in the paper, and shortly after, tried to kill himself. Whose death would prompt those reactions by Jack? And, who would Kate despise so much that she didn’t care that the person died.

    I think most likely is Juliet, but I could see it being Locke or even Michael.

    Another prediction: This topic will reach 1000 comments by early next week.[/quote]

    agreed on that last prediction! i’m getting so behind on my reading here!

  162. Locke936 says:

    i cant believe this episode… it was definately a flash forward… my guess is… jacks dad is still alive… they will get off the island soon but will try to make it back… naomi’s ppl will definately be bad… i think the show is definately going in a good direction… i cant believe its not coming back on for another 9 months… carrying all this LOST baggage around for 9 months is like a pregnancy… only the season premiere hopefully wont be that painful…

  163. Poolshark says:

    I’m guessing that the girl in the accident on the bridge was Claire. The young boy in the hospital would be Aaron. Any thoughts?

  164. greg says:

    It’s May 23, 2007, 10:53 pm Midwest time – would just like to document this prediction for the record :)

    The last 2 minutes of tonight’s Lost Finale – the flash forward with Jack & Kate – will also be the final 2 minutes of the series finale in a few years (except, at that point, it will be present time)

    And…the 3 seasons between now and that series finale will be filling in the gaps… so when that scene is replayed in 2 or 3 years, it will all make sense:

    how did jack & kate get off the island? who got off with them? what’s happened to them since getting off the island that has messed jack up so much? who is waiting for kate that she has to get back to? who was in the coffin?

    (In other words, we won’t know who was in that coffin for a couple years)

    And, so, in sum…I predict we didn’t just witness the end of this season in those final 2-3 minutes…we just got a glimpse of the final 2-3 minutes of the series finale a couple years down the road :) they may well, literally, just replay that scene word for word, not even re-shoot it.

    my humble prediction :)

    greg

    http://www.GregForbes.com

  165. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="61384"]it was heartbreaking to see my boy charlie die… buuut.. what was up with him being able to play the song RIGHT AWAY?!? he didn’t even have to listen to the keypad before he started typing… what a BEAST!!!!
    [/quote]
    Yeah, that was a bit unbelievable

  166. Jason says:

    What about Libby being in the mental hospital with Hurley?!

  167. sayids girlfriend says:

    [quote comment="61414"]I like the idea of the flash forward being Desmond’s vision…here’s to hoping. I also think that Juliette is going to make a big deal out of Sawyer shooting that other when he had surrendered. Maybe they’re setting up a deterioration of her being on our side. Also, Jack never sees his father’s body, so we don’t know he’s dead for sure.[/quote]

    he identified the body in Sydney

  168. angela says:

    [quote comment="61324"]WHAT THE FUCK

    O
    M
    F
    G

    (mind implosion)

    btw any theories on who’s funeral it was[/quote]

    im goin with sawyer. nobody would want to go his funeral and kate is obviously upset with him, causing her to not want to go. jack and him always did have a weird connection which might drive him to go, but i dont think to kill himself .. hmm.

  169. Hurley's Dad says:

    [quote comment="61467"]c) am i the only person concerned about how charlie’s greatest hits are going to be unreadable!?

    d) so do u think it was really walt or just a manifestation/vision? i say it was walt’s superpowers.

    f) i thought for a moment it could be juliet’s funeral, or sawyer’s, or…[/quote]
    C) yeah, they better be a little wet, unless they’re in the boat.

    D) There were whispers just before he manifested. Pretty sure it was smokey…

    F) Best bets are Locke or Ben. I didn’t notice the size…looked regulation to me.

  170. Jared says:

    Jack’s phone in the flash-whatever looks like an LG VX8600. That phone was definitely introduced after they crashed on the island… I think in 2006.

    It was fall 04 when they crashed and the Red Sox hadn’t won the series yet! This is either a huge mistake on Lost’s part or a big clue.

  171. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="61470"]
    But in the end Charlie had to die … they told us on the show and off it over and over again. He also felt that he had to die exactly in the manner that Desmond envisioned in order for Claire and the baby to be rescued. It was a hero’s death.
    [/quote]
    Also, after Greatest Hits, some of us were wondering how Desmond could have the visions of Charlie drowning in the underwater hatch if Desmond wasn’t down there with him. Now we know.

  172. David says:

    What I can get from the newspaper article

    LOS ANGELES

    Man found
    downtown loft

    The body of Jo? ?antham of
    New York was ?found? shortly after 4
    a.m. in the ?courtyard? of Grand
    ?Lofts?
    ? ? at The
    ? ? loud
    ? ? ?antham’s loft.

    ? ? the
    ? ? in the

  173. vaughn k says:

    i dont think there would be a funeral for black smoke sorry but that was stupid

  174. jojo says:

    [quote comment="61480"]Jack’s phone in the flash-whatever looks like an LG VX8600. That phone was definitely introduced after they crashed on the island… I think in 2006.

    It was fall 04 when they crashed and the Red Sox hadn’t won the series yet! This is either a huge mistake on Lost’s part or a big clue.[/quote]
    Good call on phone…they took great care to show it to us, so much so that i noticed it being newish.

  175. juliettecat says:

    last season when the hatch exploded, the show flashed to 2 men sitting in a ‘tower’ with parkas on. there were mountains and snow in the background and they noticed something odd had happened and the next picture we saw whas Penny answering the phone in her bed

  176. azandi says:

    [quote comment="61468"][quote comment="61440"]Someone mentioned this before, and I think its pretty damn safe to surmise that the funeral ws for Juliet. Would definitely explain the small casket-size, why no one showed up (they all reviled her) and why Jack was so devastated. I can’t think of a better candidate…[/quote]

    funeral guy said – “was it friend or family?”, jack said neither – suggesting Ben or at least not Juliet IMHO![/quote]

    Eh…maybe, I guess it could conceivably be Ben, Jack feeling remorse and regret for not listening to his warnings, would also explain why no one else wanted to go…yeah I guess I could see that…

  177. Hurley's Dad says:

    [quote comment="61480"]It was fall 04 when they crashed and the Red Sox hadn’t won the series yet! This is either a huge mistake on Lost’s part or a big clue.[/quote]
    The Sox won the WS two months after the plane crashed. It fit into the timeline correctly.

  178. juliettecat says:

    [quote comment="61473"]I’m guessing that the girl in the accident on the bridge was Claire. The young boy in the hospital would be Aaron. Any thoughts?[/quote]

    very thought provoking!

  179. Jared says:

    [quote comment="61475"][quote comment="61384"]it was heartbreaking to see my boy charlie die… buuut.. what was up with him being able to play the song RIGHT AWAY?!? he didn’t even have to listen to the keypad before he started typing… what a BEAST!!!!
    [/quote]
    Yeah, that was a bit unbelievable[/quote]

    It not unbelievable that a musician could do that on the first try. I have a friend that can name any ten notes you want to play at the same on a piano. And he doesn’t even have perfect pitch. Charlie at least had pitch memory of the tune (or has perfect pitch) and realized that the numbers on the pad corresponded to the scale the song is based on.

  180. vaughn k says:

    [quote comment="61489"][quote comment="61473"]I’m guessing that the girl in the accident on the bridge was Claire. The young boy in the hospital would be Aaron. Any thoughts?[/quote]

    very thought provoking![/quote]

    jack would have reacted more strongly if it wa her

  181. schutzie44 says:

    defiently michael;s funeral. neghborhood and he sold out to get off island early
    shows over- rerun heaven

  182. Jason says:

    I think the funeral is for Michael. Kate would not want to go because she was ticked that he sailed off and left her, Jack, Sawyer, and Hugo to die on the pier at gun point with the others. Michael did not have any family that carried to see him and maybe there was a fall out with Walt that could be explained later on.

  183. lost chicka says:

    a) i like the idea that the funeral was for michael. it wasn’t for ben or locke they will stay on the island.

    b)is anybody else concerned about radinsky answering jack’s call? he was in the hatch & was supposed to have died!

    c)we learned this season who ben is, got a glimpse of jacob, and found out why there are polar bears on the island. idk how u can say no questions were answered this season as those 3 were just off the top of my head.

    d)i think jack’s “living a lie” line was about them lying about what happened on the island. they would have to lie about everything. it’s not like they would cum off the island and say i killed over 30 people in 90 days. if they told the truth they’d all die.

    e) why isn’t jack with julliette?

    f)was sara supposed to be pregnant or were they trying to hide it?

  184. pillarstone says:

    I would have thought, “if” it was a flash forward that Jacks comment abou his dad (ie go find my dad, and lets see who’s the most drunk) could have been said in two ways….
    1) Jacks dad was drunk for years and still working but no-one ever stopped him (until Jack did) so Jacks kind of saying “why have a go at me, my dad did it for years”
    2) Jack is SO loaded on booze and oxycodone that he’s talking crap – ie doesn’t remember at that moment in his high-life that his dad is dead.

    Now…. I’ve just thought of something …..the bloke in the pharmacy who recognised Jack as being “the hero” – was he referring to him saving the mum and son….if so, dont’ you think a person would remember Jack from being the amazing survivor of oceanic 815 rather than pulling some woman out of a car?!??!?!?!!

  185. jojo says:

    [quote comment="61483"]What I can get from the newspaper article

    LOS ANGELES

    Man found
    downtown loft

    The body of Jo? ?antham of
    New York was ?found? shortly after 4
    a.m. in the ?courtyard? of Grand
    ?Lofts?
    ? ? at The
    ? ? loud
    ? ? ?antham’s loft.

    ? ? the
    ? ? in the[/quote]
    So it’s a man for sure?!?!?

  186. Jared says:

    [quote comment="61488"][quote comment="61480"]It was fall 04 when they crashed and the Red Sox hadn’t won the series yet! This is either a huge mistake on Lost’s part or a big clue.[/quote]
    The Sox won the WS two months after the plane crashed. It fit into the timeline correctly.[/quote]

    I know it did. I felt so bad that Jack wasn’t around to see it! I was just giving a reference to when they crashed and when the phone was made.

  187. vaughn k says:

    [quote comment="61493"]I think the funeral is for Michael. Kate would not want to go because she was ticked that he sailed off and left her, Jack, Sawyer, and Hugo to die on the pier at gun point with the others. Michael did not have any family that carried to see him and maybe there was a fall out with Walt that could be explained later on.[/quote]

    well walt didnt even know michael until right before they got on the island and obviously walt would be pissed at michael for leaving everyone there to die

  188. SpinPapi says:

    haha, go Will (70): keepin a body count.

    that boat is Widmore or whoever is financing Dharma and the drops. they don’t know the hostiles have taken over because the Others have been running it?

    Widmore and Penelope are working at odds. she doesn’t know he’s got a boat out there, and he doesn’t know she’s got a way to contact the island??? huh?

    did anyone hear the monster getting louder just before the van surged out of the jungle? as if it conjured Hurley? Hurley was part of the Island’s grand plan?

    they clearly want us to wonder for the next eight months whether this was a flashback or flashforward. it’s their “who shot J.R.?”

    their “save the cheerleader; save the world,” except much…much…better. >=]

  189. Spencer says:

    [quote comment="61491"][quote comment="61489"][quote comment="61473"]I’m guessing that the girl in the accident on the bridge was Claire. The young boy in the hospital would be Aaron. Any thoughts?[/quote]

    very thought provoking![/quote]

    jack would have reacted more strongly if it wa her[/quote]

    he did – in the hospital, after he was told how the accident happened, but he was drugged up to. I think this is a good prediction because they will probably have a different person’s perspective(flashforward) on Jack’s attempted suicide

  190. Bert says:

    You’re right Toeknee. I just feel like often they shift focus and bring in something new when they’re unable to answer some of the questions they pose. Like the polar bears and now even the monster (Juliette dismissing it with a “we don’t know what it is but we know it doesn’t like our fences” though I guess she could be lying to Kate). Those were pretty huge in the first two seasons. And them taking Walt with his special powers only in order to bait Jack, Sawyer and Kate so they could lock them in cages???

    But it wouldn’t be much of a mystery if they answered it all. I just wonder how they ever will because I don’t like to think it’s all a wild goose chase. They’ve hooked me, but now I’m in their hands.

    But regardless, I will continue to watch the show.

    Jason(166), that kills me too. They killed Libby off so suddenly.

  191. Jason says:

    [quote comment="61480"]Jack’s phone in the flash-whatever looks like an LG VX8600. That phone was definitely introduced after they crashed on the island… I think in 2006.

    It was fall 04 when they crashed and the Red Sox hadn’t won the series yet! This is either a huge mistake on Lost’s part or a big clue.[/quote]

    The phone is a KRZR and came out recently. Since it is a flash-forward, it would be consistent still and a hint that it was occurring in the future.

  192. sevenounce says:

    Something else that doesn’t make sense…..
    Jack said the prescription was written by his father, and even told the pharmacist to call it in?????

  193. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="61490"]
    It not unbelievable that a musician could do that on the first try. I have a friend that can name any ten notes you want to play at the same on a piano. And he doesn’t even have perfect pitch. Charlie at least had pitch memory of the tune (or has perfect pitch) and realized that the numbers on the pad corresponded to the scale the song is based on.[/quote]
    But he had never heard the sounds that each key on that particular keypad made, and there were about 20 keys. I still find it very difficult to believe he could do it on his first try. Maybe after listening to the sounds each key makes he could do it, but without hearing their sounds? I doubt it.

  194. vaughn k says:

    i heard that the chinese (or w/e he is) dude from the videos is going to make an appearence so maybe it is dharma that is on that boat and they want the island back so they are going to come to the island now…but wait wouldnt they already know where it was since they were on it before (i just contradicted my entire hypothesis)

  195. lost chicka says:

    juliet’s runway for aliens line freaked the hell outa me!

    naomi’s not who she said she was just like i’ve always said.

    we didn’t see the person in the casket for a reason….they’re not really dead yet!

    i say the flash forward is either a) alternate reality, b) a possibilit of what the future could hold, c) just a flash forward of what will happen

  196. juliettecat says:

    so what about the box that Ben referred to several times “somewhere on this island there is a box….whatever you want the most will be in that box” I recall when Locke’s dad was in a car accident (?) and paramedics (whom were recognizable from the island) took him away. I had the illusion that he had died, but he told lock that all of a sudden he was in the interrogation room on the island. You know, just before he said to Locke “don’t you know where we are?” followed by the others quickly closing the door as if to keep us from hearing what Lock’s father had to say.

  197. mateo says:

    I suspect that Jack’s father will turn out to be alive.
    Here are the pieces of the puzzle:

    • Jack was flying home from Sydney with his dad’s body in the cargo hold. In one of the first episodes, Jack found the casket in the jungle … it was empty.

    • We know that the island has some kind of strange healing properties: it cured Locke’s paralysis and healed him almost immediately after Ben shot him, Naomi had a punctured lung and was almost dead, but managed to heal completely within a couple of days, and Mikhail was killed at least twice only to come back to life again.

    • The references to Jack’s father being alive in the flash-forward were obviously put there pretty blatantly. It wasn’t some slip-up that managed to squeak by the editing process, it was something that was meant to drive everybody nuts like this. If the guy really were dead, they wouldn’t waste precious seconds of airtime throwing those lines in the dialogue.

    All the parts just seem to add up.

  198. Courtney says:

    [quote comment="61234"]But really sad that it’ll be the last new episode till Feb. of next year. there is going to have to be one heck of a cliff hanger. :) can’t wait![/quote]

    I’d say that was one heck of a cliff hanger!

  199. shpedoinkle says:

    [quote comment="61324"]WHAT THE FUCK

    O
    M
    F
    G

    (mind implosion)

    btw any theories on who’s funeral it was[/quote]
    [quote comment="61408"]a) jack has always been a zero in my book, never a hero. he’s a jerk. he’s a control freak. all the signs of an abusive person.

    b) it’s not ben’s funeral or locke’s funeral. they would both stay on the island. why the hell would they leave????[quote comment="61376"]what about Sawyer? Couldn’t it be his funeral? I mean, Kate sounded pissed when she said “why would I go to his funeral”
    Plus, it might sound silly, but she was driving a nice Volvo, Sawyer is too much of a deadbeat to buy her that car[/quote]

    he probably got millions & she did too for surviving something like that. but what i wanna know is why the heck isn’t she in jail?![/quote]

    She stole the identity of one of the other survivors.

  200. FMGreenSteve says:

    [quote comment="61506"]…naomi’s not who she said she was just like i’ve always said….[/quote]

    Naomi never claimed to be searching for the 815 survivors, nor did she ever claim to be searching for Desmond himself. Those are just conclusions that people have jumped to based on what they’ve seen on the show. The truth is that no one knows who Naomi was, who sent her, or what she was doing.

  201. pillarstone says:

    [quote comment="61503"]Something else that doesn’t make sense…..
    Jack said the prescription was written by his father, and even told the pharmacist to call it in?????[/quote]
    ——-
    again…. he was a bloody druggy – addicted to the drug therefore he would do/say anythign to get his fix

  202. jojo says:

    [quote comment="61506"]juliet’s runway for aliens line freaked the hell outa me!

    naomi’s not who she said she was just like i’ve always said.

    we didn’t see the person in the casket for a reason….they’re not really dead yet!

    i say the flash forward is either a) alternate reality, b) a possibilit of what the future could hold, c) just a flash forward of what will happen[/quote]
    What was the line about aliens, storms were interupting my viewing?!?!?

  203. Hurley's Dad says:

    Doesn’t look like anybody’s touched this yet. According to http://lost.cubit.net/ (very tough to get in there right now) the name of the funeral home is another anagram for….

    FLASH FORWARD

  204. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="61506"]juliet’s runway for aliens line freaked the hell outa me!
    [/quote]
    I’m sure that was just a joke, and probably intentionally included by D&C because they’re aware that some theories out there are that aliens are somehow involved with this show.

    But, I thought it was interesting that they’d build a runway on that island. Is there already one on the main island? That seems liek the more suitable place (more space).

  205. Walt? says:

    what the hell is up with walt

  206. Caleb says:

    (NOTE: I just read comments 1-133; at least 60 posts have been posted since then! Sorry if this repeats something, but I have to go to bed)

    Two things:

    1) It had to be a flash forward in my mind. Kate said “still pulling people of of wreckage” or something like that. She was referring to the flight 815 (in the PAST) and the car wreck on the bridge.

    2) I first thought that the person in the casket was the lady that wrecked while watching Jack about to jump off the bridge. I figured he just felt regret for causing her death. Does this sound plausible at all? Then again, what would Kate care about this?

  207. sayids girlfriend says:

    [quote comment="61511"][quote comment="61506"]…naomi’s not who she said she was just like i’ve always said….[/quote]

    Naomi never claimed to be searching for the 815 survivors, nor did she ever claim to be searching for Desmond himself. Those are just conclusions that people have jumped to based on what they’ve seen on the show. The truth is that no one knows who Naomi was, who sent her, or what she was doing.[/quote]

    but she had a picture of des and pen; said pen had hired her team, etc.

  208. Me & Suzie says:

    The casket was a regular casket. I suspect it has Ben in it, and further, Jack is distraught because Ben is the only guy who could take him back to the one place he could actually be a leader and hero. And with him dead, Jack will never return to Mystery Island. The sad thing is is that Jack is as much a hero at home (saving the woman and her son) as he was on the island, but because he is so distracted and drugged up, he misses that he is still that same man even though he is off the island. The man waiting for Kate is Sawyer, and she has no desire to go back to the island with Jack. Poor Jack. I think if you read carefully the passage listed above from Alice in Wonderland, it goes a long way in explaining perhaps what this show is really about: Jack is remembering this grand adventure he had, and he wants desperately to be there again, but with Ben gone, the only place the island will exist is in his memories.

  209. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="61509"][quote comment="61234"]But really sad that it’ll be the last new episode till Feb. of next year. there is going to have to be one heck of a cliff hanger. :) can’t wait![/quote]

    I’d say that was one heck of a cliff hanger![/quote]
    _________________

    I agree. I was worried for a while that part of the cliff-hanger would be with Jin, Sayid, and Bernard being held captive by the Others. I would have been let down if they had done that, being that that is what happened at the end of each of the first two seasons.

  210. lost chicka says:

    i thought ben telling alex danielle’s her mother was sort of a freaky moment.

    now we know how danielle got to the radio tower without meeting an other. but how the hell doesn’t anybody notice it before?

    i’m SOOOOOOOOO glad we didn’t have to wait till next season to see if locke was dead or alive even tho we all knew he would be alive.

    i believe ben that history will repeat itself by jack purging his group. i say jack’ll save kate just as ben saved annie.

    mark (#151) scary excerpt! what if jack IS living backwards!?!??!?!?!

  211. Hurley's Dad says:

    [quote comment="61511"][quote comment="61506"]…naomi’s not who she said she was just like i’ve always said….[/quote]

    Naomi never claimed to be searching for the 815 survivors, nor did she ever claim to be searching for Desmond himself. Those are just conclusions that people have jumped to based on what they’ve seen on the show. The truth is that no one knows who Naomi was, who sent her, or what she was doing.[/quote]
    ————-
    From “The Brig”

    SAYID: Well, obviously we’re not dead.

    NAOMI: Obviously.

    SAYID: So if you weren’t looking for us, then who were you looking for?

    NAOMI: [Looking at Desmond] Him.

    SAYID: Desmond?

    NAOMI: My company was hired by a woman named Penelope Widmore. I don’t know why, I never met her. She gave us a set of coordinates. We’ve been conducting a differential GPS grid search ever since.

    Sorry we jumped to that conclusion. :)

  212. Poolshark says:

    You guys figure this mess out. I’m gonna get some sleep and think on it all. I’ll expect all the solutions in the morning. LMAO!!!
    I love this show!!!!!!

  213. CL says:

    Okay, I agree that the episode was a “flash forward” and that either Jack was messed up when speaking of his father, or his father really is alive. Because remember…the island heals people who were hurt before 1) Sun 2) Locke 3) Rose, so maybe his Jack’s dad is alive. Also, one thing no one is mentioning is if it is a “flash forward”… how do you explain that they found the plane and accounted for all of the dead passengers…who did that?? I was thinking well maybe that was part of the deal…if they get off the island they can’t tell anyone (that’s why Jack said he’s tired of lying). However, Oceanic gave them all “gold tickets” so they had to give them as a sorry you crashed…so why was it covered and how do you explain that…unless Oceanic is part/funding the island.

  214. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="61513"][quote comment="61506"]juliet’s runway for aliens line freaked the hell outa me!

    naomi’s not who she said she was just like i’ve always said.

    we didn’t see the person in the casket for a reason….they’re not really dead yet!

    i say the flash forward is either a) alternate reality, b) a possibilit of what the future could hold, c) just a flash forward of what will happen[/quote]
    What was the line about aliens, storms were interupting my viewing?!?!?[/quote]
    ___________________
    Sawyer asked Juliet what they were building on the Hydra island (when he and Kate were chopping rocks), and Juliet replied it was a runway, for aliens.

  215. juliettecat says:

    does anyone know what ever happened to Annie?

    and also, Roussau came over on a boat as well….so the Black Pearl, Roussea’s boat and the plane all crashed on the island that cannot be detected?

  216. FMGreenSteve says:

    [quote comment="61522"]..Sorry we jumped to that conclusion. :)[/quote]

    Yeah, brain fart.

    Regardless, it’s not fair to say that Naomi was not who she said she was. She never did anything to prove she wasn’t actually who she said she was.

  217. Walt? says:

    Can anyone answer about Walt

  218. Hurley's Dad says:

    [quote comment="61524"]…the island heals people who were hurt before 1) Sun 2) Locke 3) Rose, so maybe his Jack’s dad is alive. Also, one thing no one is mentioning is if it is a “flash forward”… how do you explain that they found the plane and accounted for all of the dead passengers…who did that??[/quote]

    I’m sorry, did I miss someone that was DEAD become ALIVE again? Heal wounds faster, absolutely. But no one (I’ll repeat what the producers have said) has EVER come back from the dead on the island.

    I thought the writers silently answered that tonight. That information came from Naomi, who is being portrayed now as a liar. She made up the story about finding the plane.

  219. karmye says:

    I am becoming immune, but couldn’t help noticing the violence was excessive. A lot of cold-blooded murder.I won’t be counting the days till February. This series is officaially lost. What’s with all this OMFG! WTF!

  220. Spencer says:

    Alright we know these things. Naomi somehow got a picture of desmond and penny. She knows Desmond’s name, as that is the first word out of her mouth.

    Penny does not know where the survivors are, so she did not give any coordinates to anyone. So, either Penny’s father is funding this rescure without her knowing or someone stole the picture from her… maybe the guy who took their pictures snuck a photo, who knows.

  221. Seany says:

    The phone is current and so is the model of the Volvo that Kate is driving. It was redesigned in 2005 like the model she was driving. That was definitely purposeful on the part of the writers.

  222. Hurley's Dad says:

    [quote comment="61516"]what the hell is up with walt[/quote]
    Whispers before he showed up….to me that means he’s a manifestation.

  223. kokoloco says:

    That was an awesome final epsisode.
    It left it wide open for the writers to come up with lots
    of different theories….
    Can’t wait for the 4th season!
    Does anybody know when its coming back on???

  224. lost chicka says:

    [quote comment="61511"][quote comment="61506"]…naomi’s not who she said she was just like i’ve always said….[/quote]

    Naomi never claimed to be searching for the 815 survivors, nor did she ever claim to be searching for Desmond himself. Those are just conclusions that people have jumped to based on what they’ve seen on the show. The truth is that no one knows who Naomi was, who sent her, or what she was doing.[/quote]

    she said that penny sent her. didn’t she? she said that she was searching for desmond didn’t she?

  225. jaydoubleyou says:

    No offense, but I think some YOU are on drugs.lol

    1) The site CLEARLY asks not to be a spoiler…so much for that…you guys are pretty inconsiderate to the fans in other time zones.
    2) You have to look at the big picture when analyzing…not only what we know.
    3) Obviously, we aren’t MEANT to understand completely, that’s what keep us watching.
    4) I agree…if you don’t LIKE the writing, stop complaining and stop watching and posting. I do not believe this is a TWIN PEAKS scenario, where they are making it up as they go…nor so I think it will be like ALIAS where they ignore inconsistencies and loose ends. I have faith.

    I think some of you have some good ideas…but most of you are WAY OFF, AND NEED TO LISTEN a lot closer.

    I LOVED the SF…unanswered questions and all.
    Some great one liners and some great twists.

    MORE from me, possibly, when the show airs for the other fans.

    JW

  226. Hurley's Dad says:

    [quote comment="61532"]Alright we know these things. Naomi somehow got a picture of desmond and penny. She knows Desmond’s name, as that is the first word out of her mouth.

    Penny does not know where the survivors are, so she did not give any coordinates to anyone. So, either Penny’s father is funding this rescue without her knowing or someone stole the picture from her… maybe the guy who took their pictures snuck a photo, who knows.[/quote]
    Good recap on Naomi. Penny could have gotten the coordinates from Oz in the season 2 finale.

  227. lost chicka says:

    [quote comment="61515"][quote comment="61506"]juliet’s runway for aliens line freaked the hell outa me!
    [/quote]
    I’m sure that was just a joke, and probably intentionally included by D&C because they’re aware that some theories out there are that aliens are somehow involved with this show.

    But, I thought it was interesting that they’d build a runway on that island. Is there already one on the main island? That seems liek the more suitable place (more space).[/quote]

    and i’m one of the freaks who have thought about aliens before! :)

  228. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="61461"]
    I very much disliked the ending.

    I do think this will push casual fans away, leaving only the crazies like us. I don’t see how this ending is a good thing for the show in general.
    [/quote]

    Sorry you didn’t like the ending, dude. But I think this is wat D&C meant by “game changer”. Lindsey touched on this a bit in her comment #86, and a few other people did too. I think that instead of doing flashbacks exclusively, there will be flashforwards from time to time. The main story will continue from day 90-whatever on the island. There will still be flashbacks, because there is much of the history of the island and the characters that has to be told. But at the same time, they will include stories of the future to show what happened to these characters after they were rescued. I don’t think the series finale in 2010 would just be that they get rescued – the story of how they re-integrate into the real world would need to be told as well. And I see them doing this via the flash-forwards. (just a guess, really)

  229. Somewhere, someone theorized that the man and woman in the caves (season 1) are Jack and Claire… I think that’s right. I think they stay on the island (not sure about anyone else yet), and that the flash forward was a *possible* future, not definitive…

    Relatedly, does anyone really think that Lindelhof & Cuse would end this show in such a downer? That’s one thing I’m sure of: the flash forward is NOT how the future will end up playing out. The said recently (either in Lost: The Answers, or in one of the last two podcasts) that their characters are flawed, but heroic (i.e. real!), and that this show is about them and their redemption. The flash forward was obviously not a picture of two people who had conquered their faults… again, I’m supremely confident that the actual future will be different.

    Charlie: I think he’s dead. But you never know, right? The bummer is that he died to break the jamming which leads (or rather, could lead) to the rescue, which leads to misery. So I’m curious to see how they make the consequences of his act *actually* positive, for everyone (i.e. including Jack & Kate).

  230. FMGreenSteve says:

    [quote comment="61538"]…1) The site CLEARLY asks not to be a spoiler…so much for that…you guys are pretty inconsiderate to the fans in other time zones…[/quote]

    I hate spoilers as much as the next guy, but if visit a Lost website, on the night of the season finale, before it’s aired in your time zone…well then you’re just dumb.

  231. Wm I says:

    WOW !

    Sorry Charlie, I really hoped he would rescue Clair and Aaron and live happily ever after.

    Glad to see Danielle and Alex “reunited”.

    A little disappointed they showed us Jack and Kate back in the real world, I’ll assume it actually happens eventually.

    Who’s in the casket ? Juliette would upset Jack and Kate wouldn’t care BUT, she does have her sister and nephew so, I don’t think it’s her. Ben would stay on the Island. Don’t think Locke would upset Jack THAT much. Jack did NOT consider himself a “friend”, which I believe he would for most/all the Losties, with the possible exception of Sawyer BUT, Kate would presumably care about him UNLESS she just got sick of him when he “blew her off” during the hike to the signal tower. After writing my argument, I’ll go w/ Sawyer in the box.

    Can’t believe we have to WAIT ’til when ? JAN or FEB ? It’s gonna be a LONG WAIT !

  232. Sharon says:

    Am I lost or did anyone else hear Kate make some kind of remark to Sawyer about herself being checked out for being pregnant? She had this weird look on her face and then Sawyer said “Lets hope not”. Did anyone else catch that comment or was it just me? I agree about the coffin looking to small for a guy. I really don’t think Charlie is dead just yet. Did you see the size of that port-hole behind him as he was floating in the water? I do believe they should have listened to Locke..and not dialed that phone. I think Ben was telling the truth about whoever was on the other end being the other “bad guys”. Maybe next season just a few do leave the island…and its a big mistake. I wonder what the secret is between Jake and Kate also. So many questions…so many months until we get half of the answers!

  233. CL says:

    Hurley’s Dad wrote:

    Naomi, who is being portrayed now as a liar. She made up the story about finding the plane

    Did Locke’s daddy make it up too!? NO! He also said that his son’s plane crashed.

  234. lost chicka says:

    awesome idea about it being claire & aaron in the accident!!!!!!!!! i love it!!!!! brilliant, sheer genius! i would’ve never thought of that! even with 7 months to think about it!

  235. Hurley's Dad says:

    [quote comment="61538"]No offense, but I think some YOU are on drugs.lol

    1) The site CLEARLY asks not to be a spoiler…so much for that…you guys are pretty inconsiderate to the fans in other time zones.[/quote]
    Well put on your other points, but do you really expect people in the East and Central to not post immediately after the epi airs? That’s a little unrealistic.

    Also, I think SPOILER needs to be defined more here. It means too many different things to too many people.

    I define it as – something not released by the producers or ABC.

    That means shows after they air, previews (produced BY ABC), official podcasts are all available to be commented on because the people that make the show want that info out there.

    Maybe will can get a more definitive explaination for Season 4?

  236. Courtney says:

    [quote comment="61473"]I’m guessing that the girl in the accident on the bridge was Claire. The young boy in the hospital would be Aaron. Any thoughts?[/quote]

    We can’t really get an accurate prediction of what the time was in the flash foreward. We can kind of guess from the phone that it would be our current time. That would make Aaron roughly three and a half to four at our current time, but the boy in the waiting room who was in the accident looked a little more around 10 to me. Any ideas?

  237. TJ says:

    I wonder if there is any significance to Nirvana’s “Scentless Apprentice” being played while Jack drove to the funeral parlor.

  238. lost chicka says:

    [quote comment="61527"][quote comment="61522"]..Sorry we jumped to that conclusion. :)[/quote]

    Yeah, brain fart.

    Regardless, it’s not fair to say that Naomi was not who she said she was. She never did anything to prove she wasn’t actually who she said she was.[/quote]

    yes, but penny didn’t know who naomi was. i realize it’s lost and everybody cons each other, but so far penny has proved herself to be very trustworthy, so i’m taking her word.

  239. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="61473"]I’m guessing that the girl in the accident on the bridge was Claire. The young boy in the hospital would be Aaron. Any thoughts?[/quote]
    I thought at one point they mentioned the woman’s name, and it wasn’t the same as Claire’s.

  240. Hurley's Dad says:

    [quote comment="61546"]Hurley’s Dad wrote:

    Naomi, who is being portrayed now as a liar. She made up the story about finding the plane

    Did Locke’s daddy make it up too!? NO! He also said that his son’s plane crashed.[/quote]
    Excellent point….forgot he had corraborated it independently.

    But how about this. Cooper and Naomi are BOTH with the “bad guys”. They had their stories straight coming to the island, Ben caught Cooper and wanted him gone because he’s a “bad guy”.

    Is there another reason why Ben wanted Cooper dead? It was pretty obvious he wanted that to happen.

  241. juliettecat says:

    [quote comment="61550"]I wonder if there is any significance to Nirvana’s “Scentless Apprentice” being played while Jack drove to the funeral parlor.[/quote]

    HMMMM! it often seems that all is intentional within this story.

  242. retaeluos says:

    I just want to say that jacks state of depression and drug/alcohol abuse, bad though it was, was not enough for him to believe that his father is alive if hes really dead. I’d maybe believe he was just saying desperate things at the pharmacy but the scene with the doctor guy really makes me think that dad’s alive. as messed up as he is he’s just not messed up enough to be THAT confused. and to the best of my knowledge drugs like that dont have any effects like that. also the doctor dude probably would have had a bit more of a reaction from that statement if he knew jacks dad to be dead.

  243. Icculus says:

    Maybe there is some truth to this whole fountain of youth idea. Anybody notice in the Ben flashback when he ran away he ran into that one guy who was like “patience”, did anybody notice that he has not aged one bit! At this point he would have to be at least 20-25 years older, sure doesn’t look that way to me.

    I dont think it was Ben at the funeral, that just doesn’t make any sense.

    Jacks deep black beard is interesting…..and his Dad prbly is dead since when he got the prescription when she was going to call he said forget about it, not because he didn’t fill it out, but because he’s not there anymore.

    I think they made a plea to leave and not everyone did, somebody powerful is with Kate or should would be in jail and not driving a nice car.

    I have to wait till Feb 09????? wtf!

  244. Steve the King says:

    [quote comment="61478"][quote comment="61324"]WHAT THE FUCK

    O
    M
    F
    G

    (mind implosion)

    btw any theories on who’s funeral it was[/quote]

    im goin with sawyer. nobody would want to go his funeral and kate is obviously upset with him, causing her to not want to go. jack and him always did have a weird connection which might drive him to go, but i dont think to kill himself .. hmm.[/quote]

    Kate metioned returning to someone, a man. Look for a falling out between Jack and Sawyer, but I would guess that Sawyer and Kate ultimately get together. The show will never film present actions off the island for more than a few episodes, so do they get rescued by the boat? Is the ability to forsee ones future the big picture. Will Jack be able to change his rather unattractive future. I cant imagine they end the show on such a sour note.

  245. jojo says:

    [quote comment="61550"]I wonder if there is any significance to Nirvana’s “Scentless Apprentice” being played while Jack drove to the funeral parlor.[/quote]
    good call. i was first trying to date it with that. but then i saw his phone. that says something i think!

  246. daddy03 says:

    How do you think the boat people will react when they find Naomi dead? Seems a rescue isn’t guaranteed.

    There must be some connection between the “Canada station” and the 2 dudes up north from the end of season 2 looking for Desmond. And thus there is some connection between Penelope and the others.

  247. Icculus says:

    [quote comment="61554"][quote comment="61550"]I wonder if there is any significance to Nirvana’s “Scentless Apprentice” being played while Jack drove to the funeral parlor.[/quote]

    HMMMM! it often seems that all is intentional within this story.[/quote]

    Scentless Apprentice” is based on the German novel Perfume, by Patrick Süskind. Published in 1985, the novel tells the story of Jean-Baptiste Grenouille, a boy born without body odour but with a heightened sense of smell. Grenouille grows up to be a perfume apprentice, and uses perfume to mask his lack of odour. He also becomes a murderer, stealing the smells of his female victims in his quest to create a human odour for himself.

    In a 1993 MuchMusic interview, Cobain claimed that his copy of Perfume almost never left his pocket. Cobain said he related to Grenouille’s alienation.

    Cobain also related to Grenouille’s fascination with odour. “I’m really interested in smells,” he revealed in a 1993 Spin interview. “I think I’d like to own a perfumerie someday.”

  248. lost chicka says:

    i like the idea that they’ll be doing flash forwards as well as flash backs but it might become a pain in the ass. hope the writers can make it work if that is what happens. and please, no more beards then!

    i’m going with the flash forward was a possible possibility for the future *confusing enough for ya? ;)*

    kate is preggers.

    i’m gonna have to watch this episode again. and again. and again…

  249. Ava says:

    1. I’d bet that Penny’s father is the one who sent Naomi in to make sure that the island (and Desmond) are never found.
    2. Remember when Desmond dies on the island and he comes back to his life at a parallel time? I’m sure that’s what’s happening here. Problem is that Jack doesn’t realize that he has to die to get back (no shopkeeper lady to tell him).
    3. I think Locke’s been through the life/death cycle several times which is why Walt tells him to get up because he has a purpose. Maybe Locke returns almost in time to prevent their rescue every time – problem is Jack needs to “cycle” so he can prevent himself from getting them rescued.
    3. Funeral: Charlie’s. Maybe too obvious since he died in this episode. They don’t want to mourn Charlie since it was his death that put events in motion that got them off the island.

    I can’t wait till next season!

  250. Steve the King says:

    does anyone think it a little strange that throughout the series john has never been able to commit murder, and does it almost instinctively with Naomi. Is it possible that he died, and like Mikael, can come back to live.

    In response to previous posts about aging on the island: At the beginning of the episode in which John dies, Richard asks Ben where he got the doll to which Ben responds for my birthday and then asks Richard, “You still remember birthdays, don’t you Richard?” I think that is concrete proof that they do not age.

  251. David says:

    Look at the newspaper as Jack looks at it before he goes into the funeral home. Here is what I have so far of NEWSPAPER ARTICLE:

    LOS ANGELES

    Man found dead
    downtown loft

    The body of Jo? ?antham of
    New York was ?found? shortly after 4
    a.m. in the ?courtyard? of Grand
    Avenue
    ? ? at The
    ? ? loud
    ? ? ?antham’s loft.

    ? ? the
    ? ? in the

    Clearly A MAN.

  252. jaydoubleyou says:

    No, I’m not stupid, I’m IN the EAST, and I waited to read until after I had seen it. But some of these posts were BEFORE and DURING the show, and people CLEARLY had spoiler info that was NOT released by the producers.

    I agree you would be foolish to read before you watched…all I am saying is that the blog has guidelines for a reason…so regardless, i think a respectful follows the rules of the room…tha’s all I’m saying.

    Without trying to spoil anything…since so much has alreaady been said…I would like to say I think the flashbacks might be done, and the next three seasons will be the flash forwards mixed with the island footage instead.

    I really liked the episode….especially the crownng moments of sawyer, sahid, jack, hurley, rousseau, desmond and charlie. Locke be damned.

    Keep theorizing…we have, what? Seven months?
    Oye…they OBVIOUSLY have faith we’ll be watching. LOL.

    JW

  253. Wm I says:

    [quote comment="61531"]I am becoming immune, but couldn’t help noticing the violence was excessive. A lot of cold-blooded murder.I won’t be counting the days till February. This series is officaially lost. What’s with all this OMFG! WTF![/quote]

    Bye, have a nice life.

  254. Hurley's Dad says:

    [quote comment="61564"]does anyone think it a little strange that throughout the series john has never been able to commit murder, and does it almost instinctively with Naomi. Is it possible that he died, and like Mikael, can come back to live.

    In response to previous posts about aging on the island: At the beginning of the episode in which John dies, Richard asks Ben where he got the doll to which Ben responds for my birthday and then asks Richard, “You still remember birthdays, don’t you Richard?” I think that is concrete proof that they do not age.[/quote]
    I agree with the birthday comment, but John didn’t die.

    Also, why was he trying to kill himself before “Walt” showed up?

  255. Mary says:

    Okay, I saw both Kate and Hurley on Jimmy Kimmel this past week, and they both alluded to a “big reveal” at the end of tonight’s episode. Frankly, I’m not really sure what was the big revelation. Jack’s flashback was really a flash-forward (although he refers to his drunken father in the flash-forward — is his dad alive again, somehow, in the future?) And as far as I’m concerned, the future is unwritten (but, perhaps I’m just clinging to Terminator and Star Trek-type philosophies), so IMHO, that flash-forward was just a big red herring. Interesting, but not really very telling. I’m not basing any theories on it.

    Also, I think it’s possible that Charlie won’t die — that window in the room looked like it was big enough for him to swim through, if he’d just turn around and stop trying to die.

    I’m guessing that Locke and Ben are right about Naomi’s ship though — probably more bad guys are on the way, and next season they’ll have to band together with the Others to fight them off.

    This has been a great season, and I can’t wait for season 4, but I still don’t understand the significance of the numbers, or the polar bears, or the smoke monster, or Jacob. Or how Locke’s father got on the island. I could go on and on….

  256. youalleverybody says:

    okay some things to address please think about:

    1- it has been mentioned a few times but the casket was def not for a adult male, if you freeze frame it would not be able to hold jack at all and he is about average or even a tall or larger women and the body would have to be in good condition (not a fatal accident) to have open casket viewing now BEN is a small, meek sort of man so it could be for him but do any of us really see him willingly getting off the island? it is also obvi not clair or aaron due to the “not friend or family” comment, also (not to provoke any racists comments at all) it was in a bad part of town, most of the stores around it were run down or boarded up
    2- the producers of the show already explained that walk and/or michael might be back but walt would be removed due to his ‘real life changes’ ie puberty that would be taking into action outside the show, groing 5 inches and a voice change wouldnt sit well with viewers when all the other losties arent aging (and yes i thought about aaron but its easy to find lookalike babies)
    3 bringing up the non aging thing could be what ben was ranting about “BUT YOULL ALL DIE!” time has slowed (or stopped) due to original “hostile” in blue shirt (cant remember his name
    4 wtf is wrong with Mikhail, does that dude ever die hes going on his 3rd death right now, i know the island heals and all but resurrect the dead? i mean really its getting ridiculous…
    5 ill cover 2 topics- in the flashback i agree with some of yall who think that maybe its just a premonition and its just what COULD happen, but jack could very well be suffering from post traumatic stress disorder, think about, kate doesnt answer his calls bc she has obviously moved on, while jack is still constantly trying to “fix” everything, but there is nothing left to fix, constantly looking for food, shelter, fresh water, and not to mention warding of the “others” would greatly change your mindset, just like soilders coming back from war, its hard to adjust to civilization for SOME which also leads to the “is jacks dad still alive” theory i would say that he is obviously dead i mean thatd be alittle far fetched to bring him back to life, sawyer had his final drink with him and jack ID’ed the body in the morgue and they told him they couldnt bring the body back to the states, he has a drug dependency on oxycodone which is an Opioid. it not only deadens pain but drowns out emotinoal pain and induces euphoria. obvious side effects that jack has are droopy eyelids, speech that is slurred, slow or raspy, walking gait and slow coordination (cant hold himself up) i could go on about this drug but it has obvi distorted his reality an addict could have easily found daddy dearest’s pad and written himself a ‘script and plus we never see jacks dad or have anyone confirm that he is alive/have spoken to him…i think the logical thing is that he is dead i dont think (hope) they would pull some vodoo on us like that bc evvvvvvvveryone on the island has major daddy issues!!! but then again MIKHAIL WONT DIE!!

    also some points that have rarely been touched apon thoughts please!!
    1- wtf who is LIBBY!
    2- what ‘temple’are they going to? to worship the BIG FOOT!?!??! what is that thing!?

    sayid is the man, snapped that guys neck with his feet!!!

  257. lost chicka says:

    is anybody else even slightly phased by ben saying that the island is under assault? i wanna know what it is! any wild crazy theories out there?

  258. sandra says:

    Naomi did prove that she is not who she says she is. She said she was part of a search team sent by Penelope, and that her boat was however many miles off shore.

    Well, Penelope has no idea about any boat. “Not Penny’s Boat,” remember?

    I don’t know what that means about Naomi’s character or integrity, it only serves to prove that she is not part of Pen’s search team, and that Naomi sure as heck doesn’t have a boat off shore. Not sanctioned by Pen, anyway.

  259. Gabbers says:

    Don’t you think that there is something to say about Mikhail killing Charlie and not Desmond? Why not kill that man that “speared” you? Or both? Mikhail specifically swam outside the LG and smiled at Charlie throught the window. Seems like there has got to be something there.

    Another thing, I don’t think Ben knows about Mikhails ability to survive death. Ben says that if he’d told the women to kill mikhail he’d already be dead. Unless they know a specific way that he can actually die.

    Chew on that and get back to me with your thoughts.

  260. youalleverybody says:

    also-

    1 producers said we would meet “Hanso” for sure but when!!
    2- why was walt such a threat, ben was anxious to get him off the island asap, is he the big threat? if not who is? when walt invisions things they die…
    3- is locke the new ben? if you look closely at the freeze frame of “jacob” it looks to be an aged locke with hair…
    a. if not, does jacob control the black smoke? if so then he would control the ‘images’ ie walt, that it produces, or is it really walt? and thatis what ben is afraid of.

  261. alice says:

    The fact that the plane was supposedly recovered may have been a lie oceanic told the outside world, so they could make up a story about how the crash was not their fault, and so in that story they just decided to tell everyone “we found the plane and all the passengers are dead. the crash was due to poor weather conditions. its not our fault” It would have been a fair assumption on their part that everyone WAS dead, as it seems pretty unlikely after that amount of time anyone WOULD be alive, so they wouldn’t worry about the survivors popping up on some island somewhere.

    Jack is obviously flying around the world on oceanics dime. Im sure after that kind of incident, oceanic would give them free miles.. of course they would have to promote the lie they already told the outside world about how the crash happened so they don’t look like asses.

    Also, Kate is probably driving that fancy volvo, because oceanic gave them all some money to shut the hell up.

    Jack’s tired of lying, though, because keeping oceanics stupid little fib a secret doesn’t seem worth not telling the world about the crazy ass island he came back from.

  262. Jennifer says:

    [quote comment="61504"][quote comment="61490"]
    It not unbelievable that a musician could do that on the first try. I have a friend that can name any ten notes you want to play at the same on a piano. And he doesn’t even have perfect pitch. Charlie at least had pitch memory of the tune (or has perfect pitch) and realized that the numbers on the pad corresponded to the scale the song is based on.[/quote]
    But he had never heard the sounds that each key on that particular keypad made, and there were about 20 keys. I still find it very difficult to believe he could do it on his first try. Maybe after listening to the sounds each key makes he could do it, but without hearing their sounds? I doubt it.[/quote]

    I haven’t read far enough in the comments to see if this is answered, but the woman said “545” then a bunch of other numbers before she explained that it was “Good Vibrations” so Charlie had a bit of melody to go off of and just had to piece it with the song – pretty easy for a musician…

  263. Hurley's Dad says:

    [quote comment="61574"]Naomi did prove that she is not who she says she is. She said she was part of a search team sent by Penelope, and that her boat was however many miles off shore.

    Well, Penelope has no idea about any boat. “Not Penny’s Boat,” remember?

    I don’t know what that means about Naomi’s character or integrity, it only serves to prove that she is not part of Pen’s search team, and that Naomi sure as heck doesn’t have a boat off shore. Not sanctioned by Pen, anyway.[/quote]
    I believe I posted a quote from The Brig in comment 211 that would cover this.

    NAOMI: My company was hired by a woman named Penelope Widmore. I don’t know why, I never met her. She gave us a set of coordinates. We’ve been conducting a differential GPS grid search ever since.

    They may have never met, Penny could have hired her company. I do think she’s not with Pen, but it’s plausible that they wouldn’t know each other.

  264. Force says:

    I think that Naomi is possibly a member of the Dharma Initiative.

  265. lost chicka says:

    [quote comment="61568"][quote comment="61564"]does anyone think it a little strange that throughout the series john has never been able to commit murder, and does it almost instinctively with Naomi. Is it possible that he died, and like Mikael, can come back to live.

    In response to previous posts about aging on the island: At the beginning of the episode in which John dies, Richard asks Ben where he got the doll to which Ben responds for my birthday and then asks Richard, “You still remember birthdays, don’t you Richard?” I think that is concrete proof that they do not age.[/quote]
    I agree with the birthday comment, but John didn’t die.

    Also, why was he trying to kill himself before “Walt” showed up?[/quote]

    ummmm….let’s think. he’s been abandoned his whole life. he’s been used & manipulated his whole life. 3 people (that i can remember) have tried to kill him. he’s in a pit with a gun. life’s looking a bit grim, huh?

  266. alice says:

    maybe naomi doesn’t know too much, maybe she is being manipulated, and really believes everything she has said.

  267. katie says:

    So here is what i think…. i think that they get off the island, but just like ben said, it was going to be a very bad thing, the rescueres are very bad people. I think they go through some horrible things, maybe some people die, and they get back to the real world. Jack feels horrible for taking them off the island and cant deal with it, he loses Kate and probably Juliet, and all that. I bet his father really is dead, he has probably gone a little nuts, and thats why everyone feels sorry for him, and lets him get away with a lot. OH, i just thought of soemthing, how could his pops write him a prescription? I bet that Kate is with Sawyer, but that would be to easy… just my thoughts!

  268. Hurley's Dad says:

    [quote comment="61583"][quote comment="61568"][quote comment="61564"]does anyone think it a little strange that throughout the series john has never been able to commit murder, and does it almost instinctively with Naomi. Is it possible that he died, and like Mikael, can come back to live.

    In response to previous posts about aging on the island: At the beginning of the episode in which John dies, Richard asks Ben where he got the doll to which Ben responds for my birthday and then asks Richard, “You still remember birthdays, don’t you Richard?” I think that is concrete proof that they do not age.[/quote]
    I agree with the birthday comment, but John didn’t die.

    Also, why was he trying to kill himself before “Walt” showed up?[/quote]

    ummmm….let’s think. he’s been abandoned his whole life. he’s been used & manipulated his whole life. 3 people (that i can remember) have tried to kill him. he’s in a pit with a gun. life’s looking a bit grim, huh?[/quote]
    ——–
    Right, but does that fit his M.O.?

  269. Mary says:

    Oh, and one more thing. Perhaps it’s sick of me to admire this, but how cool was the way Sayid killed that one guy tonight? He is Rambo!

  270. Atchon says:

    I think the newspaper clipping mentions someone hanging himself. It’s very apparent it is a many they are talking about. It mentions a beam and loft which makes me think someone hung themself.

  271. alice says:

    or maybe it was a flashback. Jack has been to the island before, and so has kate.

    they have to go back… and they do.

  272. youalleverybody says:

    [quote comment="61587"]Oh, and one more thing. Perhaps it’s sick of me to admire this, but how cool was the way Sayid killed that one guy tonight? He is Rambo![/quote]

    Sayid is the man! i would def want him with me on the island, we would be bestfriends.

  273. Found says:

    If it was Radinsky on the boat, he could be trying to rescue Desmond, after all he was in the hatch with him a long time, and would have known about Penny & the picture of Her & Des. Remember as we have seen now numerous times, just because he “died” doesn’t mean he’s “dead”.

  274. Never Lost says:

    New to this blog….actually never participated before.

    Just a few thoughts after scanning your comments.

    1) Freeze framing of clipping – agree that it said Los Angeles..man found…(I thougt it said floating)

    2) Jack didn’t say page my father he said “let’s go up and see”

    3) Coffin theory: It’s Sawyer in the coffin; Kate said (to Jack) “he’ll be wondering where I am”…I think she had a baby by Sawyer (remember his hateful remarks about her NOT being pregnant; Sawyer probably rejected her and the baby and she wouldn’t go to his funeral. Jack & Sawyer had a “commrade in arms” love/hate relationship….but a bit of “band of brothers” approach on the island…so Jack would be emotional;

    4) It’s definitely future forward….but, here’s a thought. Kate was a fugitive before the crash….even if rescued…she’s still a fugitive. Why is she free? Or is that why they met at the end of the runway (secluded)? They have evidently met there before (Jack knew just where to meet her)

    5) Jack room/apartment before speaking with Kate…covered with maps and atlas(s)…trying to go back through the Looking Glass?

    6) You all have the man’s name wrong from the satellite phone. I watch the show with captions turned on and his name began with a “M” something like Mininski.

    7) When replayig last weeks episode with Jason and the crazy cabin scene….I playing it back in slow motion and there is a physical (brief) appearance of a man with a beard sitting in the rocking chair. And WHY did he say to Locke “Help Me!”

    Thank you for letting me comment on your blog!

  275. Never Lost says:

    One last thought I forgot to include….if Charlie could manage to write a quick note on his hand…..why couldn’t he swim out of the hatch? He swam down….couldn’t he swim up? Or was he resigned to dying?

  276. Found says:

    Maybe when Jack & Kate were “rescued” they were sent to an alternate timeline, that Jack is trying deperatly to get out of. But Kate is happy with it because she is not a fugitive in that timeline and likes how her life turns out. Maybe the whole “looking glass” living backwards theory is that since they will have knowlege of the past and the future, they will constantly be trying to find the “right” reality, but it is like trying to find a needle in a haystack.

  277. sandra says:

    If it’s not Penelope’s boat off shore, doesn’t that discredit Naomi’s story?

    It’s not so much about what Naomi knows but about what Penelope knows. I don’t know the quote but it seemed from her short lived conversation with Charlie that Penelope had no idea where Charlie even was. If, from that quote of Naomi’s in THE BRIG, Naomi said that Penelope gave them coordinates to conduct a search, then shouldn’t Penelope have known where Charlie was? Plus, the call was incoming, meaning Penelope was calling him, right?

    I’m way confused. Someone straighten this out.

  278. DaxDiamond says:

    Jack has a beard in the “flash-forward” because that is the only way to make it obvious that he is actually younger than he was on the island. When Jack and Kate leave the island, they go back in time. That’s why Jack’s father is alive and Kate is not in jail.

  279. stretchlimo says:

    Awesome episode.

    Was the hole that the water was coming in from too small for Charlie to fit thru?

    I think the dead person is Michael. The funeral takes place in a black neighborhood. I can see why no one would come after he killed some of his castaways.

    Who else from “Las Vegas” will appear? Hopefully Samantha, Delinda, or Mary.

  280. lost chicka says:

    any man who can break a guys neck with his legs whith his hands tied & mouth gagged is one heck of a soldier if u ask me.

    can ben see into the future? or did he just know that naomi is with that group of people?

  281. youalleverybody says:

    [quote comment="61605"]Jack has a beard in the “flash-forward” because that is the only way to make it obvious that he is actually younger than he was on the island. When Jack and Kate leave the island, they go back in time. That’s why Jack’s father is alive and Kate is not in jail.[/quote]

    i agree with what you are saying…kinda, its a good way of looking at it..they go back to where they left off or any earlier part….same thing KIND OF happened to Des in his “lucid flashbacks” ( i dont know really what to call them they seem more like acid trips to me but when he goes back to get the ring for Pen), but why the beard to make him younger wouldnt that make him look older? it is obvious that on the island you do not age, or age very slowly and preexisting illness, diseases etc are cured…. just a thought

  282. Never Lost says:

    [quote comment="61605"]Jack has a beard in the “flash-forward” because that is the only way to make it obvious that he is actually younger than he was on the island. When Jack and Kate leave the island, they go back in time. That’s why Jack’s father is alive and Kate is not in jail.[/quote]
    That’s definately a mind-bender. I’ll need to reason that one through…..but, it could work!

  283. BigBen says:

    did he say neither or either to friend/family

  284. lost chicka says:

    [quote comment="61593"]If it was Radinsky on the boat, he could be trying to rescue Desmond, after all he was in the hatch with him a long time, and would have known about Penny & the picture of Her & Des. Remember as we have seen now numerous times, just because he “died” doesn’t mean he’s “dead”.[/quote]

    ok, so radinksy is the guy who taught sayid how to torture people? not the guy who killed himself in the hatch? i’m just feeling to lazy to go look it up in lostpedia.

  285. lulu says:

    Has anyone asked why the french chick was able to have Ben’s baby and not die like all the other women that got pregnant on the island? And they made a point this season to show Richard in Ben’s flash-back from when he was a child… which says to me that there is some kind of anti-aging going on… you know, along with ‘Patchy’ the invinsible man.

  286. DaxDiamond says:

    The beard makes him look younger because there is no gray. On the island he has gray stubble. How else could they make him look youonger? I can think of no other explanation for a black beard other than they goofed. And I do nont think the producers would make such a careless mistake.

  287. D.C. says:

    Tonight’s flashforward “through the looking glass” was just a look at ONE possible future…unfortunately, yes ben/locke were right this time…I do not believe that this future is written in stone…Thanks for a great season, looking forward to 2008 :)

  288. Peter Lloyd says:

    Just a thought (sorry if this has already been mentioned, LOTS of comments!) –

    Re: the Dad comment . . . wasn’t Jack’s Dad’s body on the plane (in the coffin)? I know we thought it was an illusion, but, this is a stretch, is it possible that he came back to life on the island in the same way that Locke was able to walk again and Jin regained his virility?

    If that was the case, he could show up again and get rescued with the rest of the Losties and John could actually be referencing his living father. Long shot, but who knows.

  289. lost chicka says:

    [quote comment="61605"]Jack has a beard in the “flash-forward” because that is the only way to make it obvious that he is actually younger than he was on the island. When Jack and Kate leave the island, they go back in time. That’s why Jack’s father is alive and Kate is not in jail.[/quote]

    i agree with u on everything, except jack’s beard making him younger. i thought i had this episode figured out before i came on here with everybody. now i’m just lost. :) i luv this show!

  290. lost chicka says:

    [quote comment="61601"]Maybe when Jack & Kate were “rescued” they were sent to an alternate timeline, that Jack is trying deperatly to get out of. But Kate is happy with it because she is not a fugitive in that timeline and likes how her life turns out. Maybe the whole “looking glass” living backwards theory is that since they will have knowlege of the past and the future, they will constantly be trying to find the “right” reality, but it is like trying to find a needle in a haystack.[/quote]

    i like this idea too. god, i luv everybodys! this one makes a lot of sense tho.

  291. Peter Lloyd says:

    [quote comment="61475"][quote comment="61384"]it was heartbreaking to see my boy charlie die… buuut.. what was up with him being able to play the song RIGHT AWAY?!? he didn’t even have to listen to the keypad before he started typing… what a BEAST!!!!
    [/quote]
    Yeah, that was a bit unbelievable[/quote]

    Not necessarily. It’s not unbelievable that Charlie would know the song. And it’s not like the pad was a touchtone phone or something with seemingly random tones related to the keys (touchtone pads aren’t random, of course, but they don’t correspond to a simple ABCDEFG scale). Charlie was playing the note values of the tones in the song, i.e. the first note was the fifth tone in the scale, etc.

    An analogy: if they told him that the numbers corresponded to the letters in the word “LOST,” he would know to type 12-15-19-20.

  292. dixie says:

    [quote comment="61587"]Oh, and one more thing. Perhaps it’s sick of me to admire this, but how cool was the way Sayid killed that one guy tonight? He is Rambo![/quote]

    i am a dentist, not rambo man.

  293. desmondo says:

    [quote comment="61380"]did anyone notice how much older walt looked and it has only been like a month since they left…clearly the island slows time from the real world unless that was either a) an illusion of lockes since he was pretty messed up or b) jacob looking like walt

    and why couldnt locke move his legs when he first woke up?[/quote]

    I’m sorry… but are you retarded? The actor that plays Walt lives in the real world and has aged. Sure only a small amount of time has passed within the story but over three years have passed since they started filming.

    BTW, if Naomi’s boat isn’t related to Penny then why did Naomi know Desmond and have the picture in her book. Strange.

  294. Kim says:

    “[quote comment="61613"]Has anyone asked why the french chick was able to have Ben’s baby and not die like all the other women that got pregnant on the island? And they made a point this season to show Richard in Ben’s flash-back from when he was a child… which says to me that there is some kind of anti-aging going on… you know, along with ‘Patchy’ the invinsible man.[/quote]

    If there is anti-aging then how did Ben get older??

  295. pinto says:

    two thoughts about walt.
    1) he is possibly jacob or some form of him (after all we never knew what happened to him and his father)
    2)it’s weird how right after Sawer made a reference to him, he appeared

    also i noticed that when Jack almost got hit by a car, the second car that drove by was a cop car, so why didnt he at least get a warning for J-Walking, im not sure what it means.

    In addition, why did Russoue seem so sentimental to the 16 year old distress signal?

    I wonder what happened to Kates frekles?

    Kate had a person to go back to, it might have been sawyer

    Kate and jack also talked about doing something they regret, which might have been getting off the island.

    I guess Mkhail followes orders to the death, along with the LG girls!

    I like how they chose Jin to miss because it connects to his infertility.

    Imma miss lost sooooooo much!!!!
    (sorry for the long comment)

  296. lulu says:

    [quote comment="61624"]“[quote comment="61613"]Has anyone asked why the french chick was able to have Ben’s baby and not die like all the other women that got pregnant on the island? And they made a point this season to show Richard in Ben’s flash-back from when he was a child… which says to me that there is some kind of anti-aging going on… you know, along with ‘Patchy’ the invinsible man.[/quote]

    If there is anti-aging then how did Ben get older??[/quote]

    Maybe just healing? Jin can conceive, Rose got over cancer, and Locke can walk on the island… and they brought in Juliette to try and fix the pregnancy issues, and Ben developed cancer on the island… so I’ve got nothing. :(

  297. Mike says:

    Ok, my wife and I have heard conflicting reports…WAS this the series finale or just the season finale??? There are still lots of questions that were left unanswered…we never saw anyone actually leave the island, who is Kate with now? Sawyer? Did Charlie really die…couldn’t he fit through the porthole? Was that all we will see of Walt…where’s Michael?

  298. stretchlimo says:

    …or if it was a chick who died, maybe it was Naomi.

    I think what Jack said about tired of lying, is him covering up his mistakes on the island that led to a lot of them dying.

  299. nick v says:

    i’m surprised that no one has mentioned this yet. did anyone think it was strange when charlie was told that a musician programmed the password for the yellow light? the first thing that i thought of was that charlie himself is the one who created this password. kinda goes with the whole theory about everyone having been on the island before and are repeating events.

  300. stretchlimo says:

    [quote comment="61618"][quote comment="61605"]Jack has a beard in the “flash-forward” because that is the only way to make it obvious that he is actually younger than he was on the island. When Jack and Kate leave the island, they go back in time. That’s why Jack’s father is alive and Kate is not in jail.[/quote]

    i agree with u on everything, except jack’s beard making him younger. i thought i had this episode figured out before i came on here with everybody. now i’m just lost. :) i luv this show![/quote]

    ever heard of “Just For Men” …”no play for Mr. Grey.”

  301. onono says:

    There is a possible looped timeline thread with the key code and the “a musician wrote it” comment. A reason for Charlie’s ease at playing the code may be that he’s played it before.

  302. TanziTwo says:

    Hey – foul. I have seen the “F” word about a half dozen times here. Will/Angela, whoever, I let my 10, 12 and 15 year old read this blog because everyone (ALMOST!) has the civility to refrain from foul language. Plz folks – get your stupid selves together and comment like the mature adults you are (should be).

  303. nick v says:

    exactly, thanks for articulating what i meant for me

  304. maria says:

    Ben is not Alex’s father. Danielle was pregnant with her before she was shipwrecked, and when she gave birth Ben took the baby (or had someone take it). That’s why she was able to deliver her baby, like Claire.

  305. Brent says:

    OY wow

    ok Charlie Dies and does it all hero like right when I was thrilled the whiney “let Me know your not the boss of Me” lil punk was gonna eat it he has to go and be all likeable damnable hobbits.

    Sayid > others period give Him and Rousseau some rifles maybe throw in Jin and let em have a welcome party for whoever dares show up.

    Im still of the Mind the 2 bodies with the stones are Rose and Bernard. she cant leave or shell die He loves her.. man and woman.. black and white stone? seems obvious to me. and “Im a dentist not Rambo” HILARIOUS

    the island and whatever it is has a lot to do with time. 2 things can effect time strong and I mean massive magnetism and gravity they can bend or warp space time hence why I think all this back and forward stuff the island or whatever it is slips back and forth which is why its so bloody hard to find.. and since Desmond popped the cork on it its sitting there right now.. findable.

    in the coffin is Michael and nobody cares
    Locke becomes Ricardo Montalbon and walt says the plane a lot

    Id chew the tail off a rabid wolverine for Emilie De Ravins number

  306. lulu says:

    [quote comment="61630"]i’m surprised that no one has mentioned this yet. did anyone think it was strange when charlie was told that a musician programmed the password for the yellow light? the first thing that i thought of was that charlie himself is the one who created this password. kinda goes with the whole theory about everyone having been on the island before and are repeating events.[/quote]

    I love this theory and what FOUND said about alternate timelines and living backwards with the looking glass… makes sense. Now I’m excited to watch the next 3 season… no matter how bleak the ending was tonight.

  307. mohard says:

    just a quick note on the woman in the car crash:

    the news report mentioned “a 40-year old woman blah blah blah”, so we know it couldn’t have been claire (probably)

    and on the identity of the casket inhabitant:

    kate clearly says “why would I go to his funeral” or something along those lines, so we at least know it was a male.

    also, if the body of this unidentified male was discovered in new york, according to the clipping, why was the viewing being held in L.A.?

    finally, the funeral director only says “no one showed up”. he does not mention “for him” or “for her”.

    also, it’s clear that the original hostile (the guy with the black eyeliner) is immortal, so shouldn’t he be the leader of the group? after all, Ben has obviously aged, so he can be killed, right?

    regarding how Rousseau is still alive after having a child on the island, she probably got pregged before she landed there.

    p.s. i like Michael better with dreads, like when he was in the matrix and romeo + juliet (remember that one?)

  308. punk lunchbox says:

    [quote comment="61605"]Jack has a beard in the “flash-forward” because that is the only way to make it obvious that he is actually younger than he was on the island. When Jack and Kate leave the island, they go back in time. That’s why Jack’s father is alive and Kate is not in jail.[/quote]

    I think that’s a very compelling idea, until I realized the he’s using a phone that is very current – out in the last year or so.

    My favorite line, after that touching moment between Danielle and Alex:
    “will you help me tie him up?”

  309. punk lunchbox says:

    From losteaster eggs site – great shot of the newspaper article

  310. mohard says:

    try this one:

    Jack (and the others) were in the future when they landed on the island. that explains how he would be younger when he returned, yet still have a current cell phone. also, it would explain how ben had tapes of the Red Sox winning the series: it could have been ancient footage by then. AND, just because he had a 2007 cell phone, doesn’t neccessarily mean he was in 2007.

    i think i even confused myself on that one

  311. Johnny says:

    [quote comment="61627"][quote comment="61624"]“[quote comment="61613"]Has anyone asked why the french chick was able to have Ben’s baby and not die like all the other women that got pregnant on the island? And they made a point this season to show Richard in Ben’s flash-back from when he was a child… which says to me that there is some kind of anti-aging going on… you know, along with ‘Patchy’ the invinsible man.[/quote]

    The “French chick” didn’t get pregnant on the island with ben, she was already pregnant when her boat crashed on the island. Juliet explains to Sun that a woman’s life is only threatened if she is impregnated on the island. So because the French Chick got pregnant off the island, she was able to safely deliver her child. Also, in episode 21 of season 3, “Greatest Hits”, Alex tells her boyfriend that Ben is not her father. Ben stole Alex from the French Chick back in the day, just like the Others steal other babies from the island from our Losties.
    That’s why the French Chick was able to have a baby and not die.

  312. TanziTwo says:

    Come-on folks. Don’t you recognize the crash victims that Jack saved? The gal with the spine injury that Jack was checking-out is Sayid’s “Nadia”… her broken-arm son in the waiting room was the young blondster that played young Sawyer (James Ford) when his old man went ‘sumocidal’.

  313. mohard says:

    great shot of the article!

    that explains that the body was actually found in LA, and that the dead man was simply from new york.

    who is JO___ ___antham then?

  314. lulu says:

    Thanks guys…I totally had a lapse in memory of any early episodes w/ Rousseau. I guess I need to go buy the dvds so I can pour over them before next season!

  315. lostjedi says:

    couldn’t the funeral be for Rose? It was a black neiborhood and the funeral parlor guy was black. anna lucea maybe??? She died when she was shot, if it’s a different timeline??

  316. mohard says:

    the comment on young sawyer in the hospital is my favorite so far…it would be a great clue that for all the people involved with this crash, they got tossed around in the space-time continuum and Jack realizes it: and knows he needs to set things right again…

    (?)

  317. mohard says:

    [quote comment="61647"]couldn’t the funeral be for Rose? It was a black neiborhood and the funeral parlor guy was black. anna lucea maybe??? She died when she was shot, if it’s a different timeline??[/quote]

    check out the article: clearly a man who dies

  318. mardacara says:

    [quote comment="61563"]

    2. Remember when Desmond dies on the island and he comes back to his life at a parallel time? I’m sure that’s what’s happening here. Problem is that Jack doesn’t realize that he has to die to get back (no shopkeeper lady to tell him).
    quote]

    Yes!! Thank you!

    I was getting to the end of the posting list and beginning to think that no one else had remembered the whole episode about Desmond’s flashbacks of his flashforwards that ultimately made him believe in his flashes are real. (Not to overuse the word “flash” or anything). I think this future of Jack’s is a possible future. I hope so. I guess we’ll have to wait and see. Seems sad though if Jack, our very own prodigal son, cannot be redeemed.

    Incidentally, for what it’s worth, I didn’t think that the woman in the accident looked anything at all like Claire, the chief of surgery told us her name (not Claire), and I agree that the kid is too old to be Aaron if we’re following the timeline that closely.

    But that was a bad fake Jack beard, no?

  319. interesting says:

    I’m surprised that no one is thinking about whether this really could be a flashback. It still may be a flash-forward, but what if Jack and Kate WERE on the island before and they’ve been “conning” everyone? They decided to come back for some reason. They would have some hidden agenda for all the stuff we’ve seen in the past. A flashback makes Jack’s “I love you” comment to Kate have some additional context if something more happened between them in the past. Plus, it makes the thing with Jack’s dad being alive make sense, plus Jack’s currently grey beard, plus the fact that no one in the “flash-forward” thought that Kate, Jack or anyone was a survivor of the flight, which would certainly be more newsworthy than pulling a lady out of a car. It still may be a flash-forward, but a true “flashback” makes all of these inconsistencies make sense.

  320. Alienville says:

    The producers will not leave the show as we saw it in the “flash forward”. That wouldn’t be good storytelling. That is why we are all obsessed with this show and participating in blogs.–It was a great bait for all of this discussion. My opinion–Aside from Desmond (who had significant mind altering effects from the explosion of the hatch) who had an episode of steping back into the past to explore what could have been, all other flashes away from the island have been real events that happened to the individuals of the island. This flashforward of Jack’s is real will come to pass, but is not the end. I believe it is another beginning. The writers may move forard or backwards in telling from this point, but I don’t feel that is how it will end. People don’t like tragic endings–writers and producers know this. Hats off to the writers and producers. Never seen a buzz like this in popular culture over a television show. My Lost IV is running low on juice though. February is a long ways away. I’ll be seeking those various website egg hunts from now until then.
    Lost on!

  321. Laura G says:

    Call me an eternal optimist, but I think Charlie still has a shot…IF Desmond immediately gets one of the wetsuits on, convinces Charlie to open the door, and grabs him as the water floods out. They could share the oxygen tank and swim to the surface.

  322. lostjedi says:

    [quote comment="61645"]great shot of the article!

    that explains that the body was actually found in LA, and that the dead man was simply from new york.

    who is JO___ ___antham then?[/quote]

    Now i’m reall LOST! Check out the article. Only a few words are clear. HMMM??? do we really have to wait until feb?

  323. mohard says:

    [quote comment="61654"][quote comment="61645"]great shot of the article!

    that explains that the body was actually found in LA, and that the dead man was simply from new york.

    who is JO___ ___antham then?[/quote]

    Now i’m reall LOST! Check out the article. Only a few words are clear. HMMM??? do we really have to wait until feb?[/quote]

    sorry, i just meant check it to see that it says “Man found dead”…the only clarification we have is that it was a man…or maybe juliette had a sex change and became Joliet “Jake” Blues-Grantham

  324. mohard says:

    what if the doctor that is trying to help Jack is Walt, all grown up? since he says “I know enough.”, and all the timeline is askew anyway

  325. mohard says:

    what if the man kate refers to “he’ll be wondering where i am”, is Hurley, since he’s so rich he would have been easily able to buy a volvo.

    I love jack’s vintage ford bronco though

  326. bryan says:

    the body in the casket i think was locke, thats why nobody came and why jack was so upset. He knew locke had answers he obviously neglected, lock had certain insights into the island that jack as a man of science was unable to understand. this is the reason he debates jumping off the bridge

  327. mohard says:

    it seems that even if you stop aging on the island, you can still die (boone and his sis, libby, the two diamond thiefs).

    i think the eyeliner guy is gettng tired of Ben’s BS and wants to help bring him down.

  328. TanziTwo says:

    [quote comment="61653"]
    I think Charlie still has a shot…IF Desmond immediately gets one of the wetsuits on, they could share the oxygen tank and swim to the surface.
    [/quote]
    Great sentiment – poor logic. no need for a wetsuit in the tropics – only need the airtank. Des can’t open the door to the comm hatch because the water pressure is too great. The LG station will remain intact if that Comm hatch remains closed. Charlie can survive if he gets outside quickly and grabs dead Mikhails (handless/eyeless Mikhail’s) airtank. We did see Charlie say his prayers – sign o’ the cross – so we assume he went in peace. But he may survive in S4Ep1. Losties will be devastated on hearing the Charlie tragedy – much like the Jin/Sayid/Bernard execution – but we all know how that turned out. Glad to see Naomi gone and Des still kicking. Notice that Jacks’ new head (future) surgeon is James Lesure – from Las Vegas like Marsha Thomason (Naomi) – connection there?

  329. mohard says:

    good pont about locke, but don’t you think he would have stayed on the island at all costs?

    i think the coffin is someone who has not been introduced yet: it’s the only way to make sure nobody can guess who’d in it, thereby ensuring a surprise when/if his identity is revealed.

  330. txflw says:

    First of all I have never worked in a Pharmacy and have minimal knowledge of the process. I am fairly certain that doctors are issued a number by the Drug Enforcement Administration and that it has to go on all prescriptions. The number would have to be verified by the technician or Pharmacist before a prescription is issued.

    If the prescription was written by Jack’s father (or Jack using his fathers number)the fact that the prescription went through would seem to indicate that he was actually alive.

    Since we know Jack ID’d his fathers body in Australia and the two references to his being alive in the fast forward led me to believe that we were watching an alternate timeline.

    Perhaps the first time the plane crashed on the island Jack was simply vacationing in Australia. Perhaps Kate was not wanted in that timeline and had never killed her step father.

    I think that the writers were setting us up for some interesting story lines but that they are not necessarily an indication of how the series will ultimately end.

  331. mrfriendly says:

    Such an interesting Charlie arc – really reminds me of Say a Prayer for Owen Meany by John Irving – the visions of the future/moment of his death, how his death is a heroic act and how it’s caused by a hand grenade. lots of similarities

    also i think Jack might be upset about the man in the coffin not because he’s sad he died but because maybe that man knew how to get back to the Island in some way

    jack’s “lying” is probably about the details of the island and what it is/was capable of

    it was interesting that Ben said to Mikhail that the two girls in the Looking Glass were on assignment in Canada – why canada? how many of the others can come and go from the island – Juliet clearly couldn’t – it’s funny Juliet suddenly seems like one of the most likeable and trustoworthy characters around now – she should play a huge part in next season as she knows more about the Others secrets (the temple, jacob, the fertility experiments)

    and will the Black Rock have any significance? are some of the hostiles descendants of that ship? is that where Alpert came from?

    so many questions

  332. Justin says:

    In the flash-fowards, Jacks says his father wrote the prescription for his pills. I don’t remember him being mentioned as being alive.

  333. get lost says:

    [quote comment="61500"][quote comment="61491"][quote comment="61489"][quote comment="61473"]I’m guessing that the girl in the accident on the bridge was Claire. The young boy in the hospital would be Aaron. Any thoughts?[/quote]

    very thought provoking![/quote]

    jack would have reacted more strongly if it wa her[/quote]

    he did – in the hospital, after he was told how the accident happened, but he was drugged up to. I think this is a good prediction because they will probably have a different person’s perspective(flashforward) on Jack’s attempted suicide[/quote]

    A couple of flaws with that theory:

    1. Jack’s crash/rescue happened in LA. Claire’s crash happened in Sydney.

    2. Claire’s crash was before the island, Jack’s after returning from the island.

    3. The crash victim, although mangled did not look like Claire.

  334. Sayid rules! says:

    Someone said they couldn’t wait till Feb. 09…I think they meant Feb. 08 right? Because Feb. 09 would be a year and a half away, I think people would lose interest by then.

  335. MsT2 says:

    [quote comment="61666"]
    yada…
    [/quote]
    you’re fairly up on this. are you actor MC Gainey? can you blog now that your character is caput?

  336. mrfriendly says:

    also as far as the flash forward plot device is concerned – what difference does it make if it’s flash forward or flashbackwards, other than it may give away how things may or may not end – but really isn’t it clear by now that all of these people are more or less lost and doomed? whether it’s flashbacks of their messed up, unlucky lives or if it’s flashforwards, they’re still going to be tortured, damaged people – i think the flashforward idea is perfectly in keeping w/ the entire vibe of the show – i mean no one would really accept it if a bunch of the survivors or key characters make it off the island and go home and live happliy ever after, right? they’re all going to be forever touched or screwed up by the island in some way, yes?

    locke and jack are like yin and yang characters – locke has a terrible life before the island and thus wants to stay on it and jack is a successful talented superstar surgeon (and thus wants to go home) what they’re saying w/ tonight’s episode is how jack realizes that locke was right – they should have stayed there, his life wasn’t all that great in LA – it’s interseting how in the past episodes Jack seems to be the least curious as to what’s going on w/the island – it’s mystical powers etc. – and bascially just wants off and to go home – but when he gets home he realizes what a special place it is (this is what ben knows and is why he is threatened by any of these people leaving the island and exposing it to the rest of the world)

  337. avalanche says:

    i know it’s not constructive but was anyone else taken out of the moment by th glut of commercials every 9 minutes?

  338. Poopypants says:

    - #1 funeral is for Michael,he’s from New York.

    – #2 Who Kate is getting back to in the flash foward is her husband remember,she is married to copper dude that she drugged unconscious.

    – #3 Cant wait to learn about the “Temple”

    – #4 Naomi was DHARMA/Charles Widmore and now that Radzinski has the location will there be a repurge of sorts?

    – #5 Desmond didn’t get ot see,talk or even know Penny was right there on the line,(incomming call very wierd)what a burn for ole
    dez

    – #6 So we know at least Jack and Kate get home but who else makes it with them?

  339. Dr. Emmett L. Brown says:

    JO_ _ has to be John Locke…not sure what the antham means…

    Please correct me where I’m wrong, but wasn’t the Black Rock a slave trading ship? It sure looks like a mid-18th century ship…If Rouseau landed there on the Black Rock, perhaps its from a different time period.

    Jack’s father seems to be dead. Jack was trying to use his old presciption sheets to get drugs, and was drugged up when he said lets get my father down here.

    I think Kate’s with Sawyer now…I think they’ve both gotten their lives back on track. Jack wants Kate to stop lying to herself (and Jack to stop lying to himself) about her belief that it was right to leave the island. If Kate got pregnant on the island with Sawyer, she’d have died.

    When the hatch exploded, Des flashed back, but knew what was to come, such as the outcome of the soccer game. Jack and Kate do look younger, so it could be a flashback, but the new cell phone, plus the new doctor says that Jack is a hero several times over (saving the woman as well as saving everyone from the island). Therefore, I think its a flash forward, but that the characters went back to before the crash when they were rescued, but that we’ve now caught up to present day.

    The Slave Trading Black Rock. Jack’s Dad perhaps alive. Locke dead in the coffin. What did Jack’s tattoo say again?

    I still think the island is purgatory. They get a chance to go back and redeem themselves, but some go to Hell (Jack), while others go to Heaven (Kate). Purgatory though must be a place hidden in the space-time continuum, but still a part of it.

    Destiny seems to be an overriding theme. Is the future written? Are our fates pre-destined? Or can we make choices that can affect the outcome? Desmond is given another chance after ‘saving the world’, but he still ends up back on the island.

    “see you in another life, brother”

  340. Poopypants says:

    Or the name in Newspaper clipping could be “Jacob lantham”,you can make out a J,O, but the paper is crinkled a bit so maybe the A is blocked out and the C & B,just a thought.

  341. unkie469 says:

    Remember, there are 3 more seasons, so the person in the coffin may not even be introduced yet. Also, yes, I noticed that it was a small coffin. Also, with 3 more seasons, it’s very unlikely that they will leave the island next season. Does the show become to be called “Found?”

  342. Katie says:

    What happen to Charlie?

  343. Amy says:

    Charlie is obviously not dead. Desmond’s visions are flashes. He said, “and then you drown, brother.” He could have seen Charlie get inundated by water, as we did, but not the aftermath, when Charlie is rescued.

    That Desmond’s vision is incomplete is obvious: he didn’t know he would be down in the hatch. Plus, why include the porthole, when there were lots of other ways the writers could have flooded the hatch?

  344. Mike says:

    It has to be a flash forward. The key is his reference toa “Golden Pass” offered by Oceanic…to crash victims rescued to fly free forever. ALso Kate says “Still pulling people from burning wreckage”

  345. Dimo says:

    I hope Ben gets killed, then Jaycub will finally appear.

  346. kevin says:

    i dont know if someone said this before, but didnt jack tell kate he was tired of lying. i think that they didnt tell anyone what happened on the island. they only got rescued and then had to keep what the island was a secret.

  347. lostjunkie says:

    anyone think there is significance that kate in the flash forward ahs smooth complexion with no freckles and earlier in episode kate said to sawyer ” why arent you calling me freckles anymore?”

  348. spiralturtle says:

    [quote comment="61337"]And, uhh, hey, what the hell? Jack said “page my father”…was that a sarcastic joke or is this some sort of alternate timeline? But that REALLY wouldn’t make any sense….

    omfg, omfg, another year, another WHOLE YEAR….

    omfg……omf…..om…….o…..omfg….[/quote]

    I agree on the omfg part……

    I’m wondering if Jack said “page my father” because he was high on painkillers and was a bit out of reality. A way for the writers to show that he hasn’t progressed in his thinking, perhaps?

    Would love to know whose funeral that was. That’s going to rankle me until February.

    Great ep! I cried when Charlie died though…

  349. birdwatcher says:

    Did she really not have any freckles? Or was it just because she had makeup on? Also, could Jack’s beard and mustache have looked any more fake? (His stubble on the island had some gray coming through but his beard in the flash was dark brown – did he use “Just for Men” in his drug addicted state?).

    I’m just totally confused about the whole episode and can’t wait for Feb. Of course, they better do major re-caps or I’ll forget everything by then…

  350. achtungpv says:

    I get the impression that Penny isn’t looking for Desmond at all. Did she ever specifically say that last season? All I remember is her saying “We found him” when the electromagnetic pulse went off. “Him” could easily refer to Ben. I’m leaning this way, because if Penny is part of Dharma on the mainland then it makes sense that the Looking Glass videophone has a direct link to her office. If she’s not Dharma, why the video link? I think after the purge Ben turns on the signal blocker and Dharma on the mainland cannot find the island anymore. I can’t resolve how the food is getting dropped though. Of course, Ben could have dropped it for the Losties for any number convoluted reasons.

  351. Mark says:

    This may be a helpful insight into how Charlie got the code right the first time: chords and notes have numeric value and are mathematical in nature. Back in the day, my grandmother played guitar by number, not note. He knew where to begin (5) and every note prior and following that note would be a half step different. I haven’t watched closely enough to see if they got that part right, but in theory it can easily be done.

    Someone very early on mentioned that the casket was said to be ‘her’. Reviewing it myself, throughout the show NO mention was made about gender. They were very careful not to. I still can’t comment about the coffin size.

    The newspaper clip says “Los Angeles” across the top, and that’s all I saw. Sorry if any of this was previously posted…

  352. kate says:

    i think taht only a few got off the island and that is why jack wants to go back. always wanting to be the hero. also maybe kate is still a fugitive…why did they meet in a dark place and at the airport?!

    or maybe jack’s flashfoward is actually one of desmond’s premonitions and he is going to try and prevent them from getting off the island.

    i think that its ben in the coffin. it can’t be saywer because who else would kate be talking about when she says.. “he’ll be wondering where i am”???

    i dunno this was a pretty intense episode. I hope thats not what happens in the end…jack and kate should be together!

  353. whatif says:

    ‘going back’ is an ongoing theme that surfaced last night
    kate going back; sawyer going back and finally jack wanting to go back to the island.

  354. Negar says:

    First off WOW- I am blown away. What a cliff hanger.
    Some thoughts-
    -Who was the funeral for with no one attending? ( it was in a black neighborhood, who could it be that is so disliked, also was the coffin a bit short for an adult???)
    -When the doctor asked Jack how much he had to drink Jack replied ” call my father down here if I am more drunk than him then you can fire me.” (for a future flash his father would have been dead- me confused)
    -Charlie’s death- What the hell- he could have escaped through the window or even him and Des could have swam up. ( but then again island deaths are sometimes more about the redemption i.e mr eco could have lied and perhaps survived)
    once again WOW I love this show and i LOVE this site.

  355. Laura says:

    Why do you think Jack kissed Juliet, and then later told Kate he loved her?

    If Jack’s dad is not dead then why is there a new Chief of Surgery (especially if Jack is implying his father is still working upstairs)?

    Also I think it is interesting that the van in which Ben’s father was murdered (leading to the original “purge”) was the same van that was used to give the losties and upperhand, and lead (perhaps) to Ben’s/Others demise.

  356. *******************
    For the love of God people, stop calling it “a black neighborhood.”
    *******************

  357. achtungpv says:

    [quote comment="61469"]
    Bonnie and her partner were thought to have been “stationed in Canada.” Stationed? Who “stations” people? Everything on the island has had the flavor of super-funding – not by a few billionaires, but government backing makes more sense with some of the crazy technology that exists there.

    [/quote]

    One of the tie-in websites has a newspaper clipping about the search for the missing Flight 815 and it says that the search area includes a military restricted zone and government contract Hanso is performing the search in the area and will report any findings.

  358. CC says:

    OK. Two things. First of all…when Bonnie said “the code was programed by a musician”- maybe since it seems to be like a groundhog day thing going on, that Charlie actually programmed the code in a past life/alternate universe?

    Also, I think the lady and son in the accident are claire and Aaron.

    Lastly, Ben I think will actually end up being the good guy. But what’s up with him introducing Alex to her mother. When Rousseau originally found him, they seemed like strangers. Did she not recognize him?

  359. whatif says:

    [/quote]

    One of the tie-in websites has a newspaper clipping about the search for the missing Flight 815 and it says that the search area includes a military restricted zone and government contract Hanso is performing the search in the area and will report any findings.[/quote]

    can you post a link to that?

  360. achtungpv says:

    I think Kate’s not in jail because she didn’t return as “Kate”. She could have easily returned as a dead lostie and slipped away before it was noticed.

  361. Cari says:

    [quote comment="61467"]

    d) so do u think it was really walt or just a manifestation/vision? i say it was walt’s superpowers.[quote]

    Can someone remind me…hasn’t it been said in the past (I think by Ben) that both Walt and Locke have a special connection with the island? Can anyone confirm and let me know when?

    …by the way, I loved this episode but I’m so nervous for their future

  362. Cari says:

    ah…the second half of that comment above was mine. Sorry I messed up the quotes!

  363. ZoZo says:

    Did anyone notice that Jin and Sun were sitting behind Jack on the plane when he finds that newspaper clipping? Anyone have any idea what that was about?

  364. mak says:

    People, let’s remember that Jack was drunk and high on oxy. He didn’t remember that his father is dead. That’s why the new chief doc looked at him weird. It was said to throw us off from thinking it was the future.

    As for whoever said the mom and kid were Aaron, apparently missed the scene where the kid waved at Jack in the waiting room. NOT Aaron.

    For the Ben/Rousseau thing, just because Ben says he is Alex’s dad, doesn’t mean he is her natural father. In fact, it is highly likely he isn’t as Rousseau was very pregnant when she recorded the message.

    My questions are who was in the coffin? who was at home wondering where Kate was? why didn’t Charlie just run out of the little hatch area and close the door when it exploded? what does locke know? was that really Walt or was it Jacob taking Walt’s form?

    I definitely have more questions now than before.

  365. whatif says:

    [quote comment="61727"]Did anyone notice that Jin and Sun were sitting behind Jack on the plane when he finds that newspaper clipping? Anyone have any idea what that was about?[/quote]

    It wasn’t Jin and Sun. Watch again and you’ll see :)

  366. whatif says:

    Mak,

    I thought of the same thing regarding Charlie’s death; I just thought it was pointless since he had already killed the signal. But I think that he may have killed himself because if he didn’t then he would somehow change to sequence of things and alter Dez’s final vision of seeing everyone getting rescued off the island… That’s exactly why I don’t think the flashforward will happen – as long as Dez keeps seeing the visions, he will know when or whether to alter the present to change the outcome in the future.

  367. Tina says:

    A few thoughts:

    1. Charlie is dead, the clue being the music (aptly put :)) and the dead fish face he made while floating in the room.

    2. Kate’s frckles are gone?! Come on people, makeup wasn’t available on the island and I’m sure off island she wears it.

    3. I’m thinking the flashforward is a possilble future, like Desmond’s flashes. It ties into the whole fate/free choice theme of the show. How much of what we choose determines our future and how much just is. I also like those comments regarding alternate reality threads, very possible. Good job! If the island and real world exist in separate realities it becomes plausible that the things happening on the island don’t neccesarily affect the outside world. Meaning, mabye Jack’s Dad isn’t dead in that world, maybe when everyone on the flight got to the island, time started shifting or phasing into island reality so events surrounding the flight, subsequent crash and potential rescue alter the timeline backwards. Like no jam today, but jam yesterday and tomorrow. Like a perpetual now affected by the the already and yet to come.

    4. Could be a funeral for Ben, plausible, more so than any other characters IMO. I also wonder if the man Kate refers to going back to is the man she was married to prior to crashing. I wonder if the rescue reinserts the survivors into reality in way that doesn’t allow the world to “know” that things have changed. It would explain why Jack makes reference to keeping the secret of the island. They have to go back to the way things were, perhaps minus the bad stuff (like Kate being a fugitive).

    5. Anyone else notice that the people sitting behind Jack on the airplane look a hell of a lot like Jin and Sun and there was not even and ounce of recognition between the three people?

  368. [quote comment="61732"]…2. Kate’s frckles are gone?! Come on people, makeup wasn’t available on the island and I’m sure off island she wears it…[/quote]

    And I wish she didn’t, she looks much better without it.

  369. dixie says:

    sorry in advance about the long comment. wow! i wake up and i have 100 comments to read! some more thoughts to add to the already enormous pile:

    i think jack’s living a lie was either a) because they aren’t allowed to talk about what happened, or b) he & kate killed everybody else on the island or left them on the island; something that would bother him when people called him a hero.

    i think that jack’s flash forward was actually a flashback or that it’s an alternate timeline. i might have my mind made up by feb.

    not to screw up all the theories on here so far but i thought kate said “why would i go to THE funeral?” not “his funeral”. correct me if i’m wrong here.

    last night we found out: why karl was in the cages (ben didn’t want him to get alex preggers), that penny is still looking for desmond, that naomi & her boat wasn’t sent by penny, that charlie & hurley & sayid are the awesomest guys in world, and what the others were told about the 2 chicks in the LG.

    why can’t kate figure out that jack doesn’t really love her? he first chose ana lucia & now juliet. both we’re idiots. can’t she figure out that he doesn’t like her like that???

    i hope the charlie death is just like sawyer’s “death” in season 1 finalle. i was convinced sawyer was dead by september but he wasn’t. hope charlie can pull out of it, but i doubt it.

    not to sound like a total idiot but people are confusing me here with what happened with the flashback/forward. can somebody please try to explain what they’re trying to say in simple english? i’m not that great at speaking my native tongue.

    i cried when i heard the 3 gun shots over the walkie talkie. i didn’t think that they would be that mean to me. not when charlie died tho, i was screaming “swim through the window u bloody idiot! swim through the window, tell desmond later!” at my tv.

    jack doesn’t deserve kate. he’s got all the signs of an abusive person, and sawyer and kate have a connection & he understands her. also sawyer looks a heck of a lot better than jack. i’m a skater or whatever u call it!

    maybe jack was just being sarcastic since his father drank himself to death.

  370. Hurley's Dad says:

    [quote comment="61732"]A few thoughts:

    1. Charlie is dead, the clue being the music (aptly put :)) and the dead fish face he made while floating in the room.[/quote]I agree. Charlie accepted his fate, like Rose did off-island. Thinking he is still alive is wishful thinking.

    [quote comment="61732"]2. Kate’s frckles are gone?! Come on people, makeup wasn’t available on the island and I’m sure off island she wears it.[/quote]Thank you! Some people look too hard sometimes. :)

    [quote comment="61732"]3. I’m thinking the flashforward is a possilble future, like Desmond’s flashes. It ties into the whole fate/free choice theme of the show. How much of what we choose determines our future and how much just is. I also like those comments regarding alternate reality threads, very possible. Good job! If the island and real world exist in separate realities it becomes plausible that the things happening on the island don’t neccesarily affect the outside world. Meaning, mabye Jack’s Dad isn’t dead in that world, maybe when everyone on the flight got to the island, time started shifting or phasing into island reality so events surrounding the flight, subsequent crash and potential rescue alter the timeline backwards. Like no jam today, but jam yesterday and tomorrow. Like a perpetual now affected by the the already and yet to come.[/quote]In the flash forward, we learn (supposedly) that Jack’s Dad is still alive, Jack and Sarah still “used to be” married, Kate isn’t on the run. At what point in time could they have come back in where all these things are true?

    [quote comment="61732"]4. Could be a funeral for Ben, plausible, more so than any other characters IMO. I also wonder if the man Kate refers to going back to is the man she was married to prior to crashing. I wonder if the rescue reinserts the survivors into reality in way that doesn’t allow the world to “know” that things have changed. It would explain why Jack makes reference to keeping the secret of the island. They have to go back to the way things were, perhaps minus the bad stuff (like Kate being a fugitive).[/quote]Based on the newspaper article, the most logical answer to me is that we haven’t met the character in the casket yet. Maybe Joop’s last name is Grantham? (lol)

    [quote comment="61732"]5. Anyone else notice that the people sitting behind Jack on the airplane look a hell of a lot like Jin and Sun and there was not even and ounce of recognition between the three people?[/quote] As mentioned above, they look like they are Korean, not Sun and Jin.

  371. Will says:

    Hey All, great post-show commentary, a couple of cool things I’ve found this morning to consider:

    *The name of the funeral home “Hoffs Drawlar” is an anagram for “Flash Forward”

    *The main article of the newspaper Jack had on the flight was from an actual LA Times dated 04/05/2007; http://www.losteastereggs.blogspot.com/

  372. lost chicka says:

    they were very careful not to say who’s funeral or what gender (kate said THE funeral). they’ve done a great job at blowing our minds and making us pull all our hair out. :)

    everybody (or maybe just me) carries makeup on a plane. why isn’t any of these girls using it! kate, claire, and sun can do makeup and fix their hair for 12 hours each day if they want! time doesn’t matter on the island.

    it’s not ben or locke’s funeral! they would both stay on the island at all costs. and just because there were 4 black people does NOT mean it’s a black neighborhood people!

  373. Tina says:

    Hurley’s Dad:

    I’m not sure how its possible that Jack’s Dad is alive, but no pharmacy would fill a perscription written by a dead doctor. Maybe the flash forward is both a flashforward and a flashback? The island exists in all time simultaneously and drops the survivors post rescue in a time before Jack’s dad died? Maybe that’s the big secret?

    Maybe the people behin him are simply Korean, I didn’t get a good look and I concede my gut reaction is likely wrong. :(

    Do test subject animals have last names as a general rule? (lol)

    I thought D& C confirmed that Radzinsky was dead and also not Mikhail. I could have sworn the name I heard come over the sat phone was something like McKloskey, Mc something, not radzinsky.

  374. Tina says:

    [quote comment="61737"]they were very careful not to say who’s funeral or what gender (kate said THE funeral). they’ve done a great job at blowing our minds and making us pull all our hair out. :)

    everybody (or maybe just me) carries makeup on a plane. why isn’t any of these girls using it! kate, claire, and sun can do makeup and fix their hair for 12 hours each day if they want! time doesn’t matter on the island.

    it’s not ben or locke’s funeral! they would both stay on the island at all costs. and just because there were 4 black people does NOT mean it’s a black neighborhood people![/quote]

    Why would Kate, a fugitive being extradited to the US carry make up on an airplane, Shannon yes. Kate no way. Besides she doesn’t strike me as the kind of girl who would worry too much about making herself up while stranded on a magic mushroom island filed with people trying to either a) impregnate her with supersperm or b) KILL HER.

  375. Tina says:

    Or maybe they returned to alternate reality where the crash can be explained away, but they remember it the way it really happened. Maybe some events occured the way they really did in the past and others (affected by the choices of the characters) happen differently. I don’t know how or why, my brain hurts.

  376. glen rawsyer says:

    I love the show but it is abundantly clear that there has not been a consistent plot from year one.

    The purgatory angle was where they were clearly going for two seasons but that was too obvious, so they had to change if they wanted to milk this for another few years (and I am glad they did – I love the show, nonsensical and inconsistent plots notwithstanding).

    I would not be surprised if they toss in “aliens” next season or the next – expect something like that. You can count on the fact that not even the writers or producers have thought past the next two or three episodes at this point.

  377. Maria says:

    One thing I didn’t understand about the flash forward is this. If they do in fact get off the island;

    A. Wouldn’t this experience have changed these survivors for better. We all saw their flashbacks and how each one of these people were dysfunctional in many ways and had so much baggage. Why wouldn’t they be stronger now and why wouldn’t they see this opportunity as a chance to be better people in their own lives.

    B. Why is Kate so adamant that Jack not contact her. She asks him to some effect why he called her. These people spent months on an island together, going through so much, and then they finally get back to civilization, and just go back to their dysfunctional lives, and not want to communicate with each other. I can’t understand that part. Even if Kate were with Sawyer, I don’t see why they wouldn’t all want to communicate with each other, or even go to the funeral of whomever it may be.

    The only answer I can see is that they were sworn to secrecy not to discuss the island or an alternate reality exists, but then Jack does say to Kate that they were all given a “gold pass” to fly anywhere for free, so clearly they are in the reality that admits to the crash.

    The smartest thing that Ben said to Jack was “what’s your rush to get back, you have nothing to go back too.” As much as I hated Ben, he’s right, most of these survivors had pretty angst life before the island, and what do they really have to back too….?

    Now Desmond going back, I can understand, but the rest of them, what for?

  378. Dunt says:

    It was obviously a look into the future of some that left the island. The funeral was probably Ben’s but Jack did say he was going to kill him after he witnessed the Losties getting rescued. Everyone needs to calm down and let the show play out until the 2010 series finale. Everyone always gets in such an uproar because we live in a world where we want instant gratification and TV just doesn’t work that way. Every tv show or movie now leaves open questions so that sequels and the like can be made if the movie is profitable. So just calm down, take a deep breath, and let the show play out.

  379. Tina says:

    Glenn Rawsyer:

    No way there will be aliens, and I don’t think the producers ever said that purgatory was an option. Fans thought that not them. They have also discredited it. I don’t think anyone is “milking” anything as you put it. The writers and producers have said from the beginning of the series that they had a general idea of where the story was going with all the major plot points mapped out, with a definite series end in sight.

    I also don’t think the plot is inconsistent. Season one focused on the Castaways, their understanding of their surrroundings and basic survival. The second season focused on their meeting the others, their trials and tribulations. The third season has transitioned to the Others/Dharma initiative and understanding their realtionship and development. Each season focused on a certain group of people on the island.

  380. Dunt says:

    Forgot the one question that I can’t seem to figure out: Why didn’t Charlie shut the door to the communication room from the other side? He could have lived!!!!!!!!

  381. JCSMalls says:

    Holy Crap what a great episode…….Broken hearted about Charlie dying although that means that Claire is now available and so am I, pumped about Locke coming back and Sayid and Jin not dying. I think that the funeral that Jack went to was Ben or Sawyer. Kate was married before and that is who she had to get back to….or she got pregnant and it was Sawyer. When Jack refereed to his father the doctor “Mike Cannon from Las Vegas” looked at him really funny and Jack said “don’t look at me like that” he is obviously out of touch with reality. I think Ben was telling the truth about the people coming to the Island to kill everyone, but don’t know how that will play out. I think that Penny works for Dharma and that she was shocked to hear about Desmond….Naomi somehow got the picture of Desmond and Penny in the past from viewing the Swan Hatch to gain trust from the Losties. I think Jacob is the Asian guy in the videos, which is a program that protect the Island and makes all the crazy stuff happen. Sorry to get on a rant, but this is my 1st Blog so I had to get a bunch off my chest. Looking forward to next season….see yaw in Feb!!!!!!

  382. Gabbers says:

    I LOVE JACK SO INCREDIBLY MUCH

    Best character by far!

  383. John says:

    The woman in the car crash that jack saved was Juliette’s sister. And I bet it was Juliette who was in the coffin. Why was no one at the funeral? Because her sister was in the hospital! She was probably on her way TO the funeral. This would also explain Jacks devoted interested in saving her. Now why do you suppose Juliette is dead – probably murdered as part of some conspiracy.

  384. Jay says:

    I’m a simpleton. My simple theory: Ben or Richard is the person who died. When Jack visits the funeral home, the funeral home director asks Jack “friend or family” and Jack replies neither. Jack is obviously obsessed with getting back to the island and he knows one of these two people are the only one who can get him back. I’m leaning toward it being Richard since he was a prominant business man in the real world and could have possiblly been in the public eye; hence his death making the newspaper.

  385. Will says:

    [quote comment="61753"]The woman in the car crash that jack saved was Juliette’s sister. And I bet it was Juliette who was in the coffin. Why was no one at the funeral? Because her sister was in the hospital! She was probably on her way TO the funeral. This would also explain Jacks devoted interested in saving her. Now why do you suppose Juliette is dead – probably murdered as part of some conspiracy.[/quote]
    John, that actually makes more sense than anything I’ve heard thus far. Great thinking.

  386. theorynut says:

    Did Charlie really die, I thought the scene was left at a cliff hanger. Desmond could still save Charlie, while Charlie was busy punching in the numbers Des was busy getting the scuba equipment right? So once the compartment that Charlie was in filled up with water completely then Des could open the door or break the glass, and then he could put on the scuba equipment. I don’t know. I liked Charlie…wishful thinking I guess. Also I don’t think Ben or Locke is in the Casket, I think they will both live and die on the island. Jack wants to go back to save other losties who were left behind. And I agree with the other posts regarding Jacks Dad is alive in the future. I don’t think he was that messed up to forgot his dad died. Wouldn’t the Doctor (forgot his name) say something to him when Jack said, page my dad? Thought the finale was pretty good, but can’t stand to wait til next year for Season 4…bummer!

  387. whatif says:

    did naomi die?

  388. ConYob says:

    I like the Juliet in the Box (casket) idea. She is/was the one that would ultimately backstab the Losties/Jack in the long run, just to get off the island. That is why noone went to the viewing. Jack only went reluctantly/wasted because of his guilt association with her. How’d she really die and why the smaller sized casket? My guess is that Sawyer took care of that. Her smart mouth P-Off’d James – and a con man never forgets. She busted his juevos with the “are you screwing Jack?” quip and the “you were busting rocks to build a runway for aliens” jab. Sawyer (Ford) got back to civilization and immediately took over the Sawyer (Cooper) empire – mansions, goons and all. First order of business, pay back Juliet… he had her “knee-capped” – that’s why she fits in the coffin.

  389. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="61699"]Charlie is obviously not dead. Desmond’s visions are flashes. He said, “and then you drown, brother.” He could have seen Charlie get inundated by water, as we did, but not the aftermath, when Charlie is rescued.

    That Desmond’s vision is incomplete is obvious: he didn’t know he would be down in the hatch. Plus, why include the porthole, when there were lots of other ways the writers could have flooded the hatch?[/quote]

    Yes Desmond’s vision is incomplete. But it is certainly NOT OBVIOUS that Charlie is NOT DEAD. It would be more obvious that he is dead. Read more below.

    [quote comment="61600"]One last thought I forgot to include….if Charlie could manage to write a quick note on his hand…..why couldn’t he swim out of the hatch? He swam down….couldn’t he swim up? Or was he resigned to dying?[/quote]
    Regarding this comment and others about Charlie possibly still being alive….

    Charlie was resigned to dying. He is dead. By volunteering for this mission, he realized he would most likely die. Desmond specifically said “This time you have to die”, and Claire and Aaron would be rescued. Charlie sacrificed himself to fulfill Desmond’s vision of Claire and Aaron being rescued. Even at the end when he apparently had a chance to save himself (by using the SCUBA gear and swimming back to the island), HE INTENTIONALLY CLOSED THE DOOR TO THAT ROOM, so he would drown and so Desmond couldn’ try to save him. He didn’t want to screw around with Desmond’s vision because he didn’t want to take the chance that Claire and Aaron wouldn’t be rescued.

  390. Mary Kay says:

    [quote comment="61354"]WOW … that was awesome … a flashforward! Only thing that wasn’t consistent was Jack referring to his dead Dad.

    But all the early questions are answered: Dharma was killed by Ben. All the others are dead (except Richard and the others to the “temple”?), Russo has her daughter back, and everyone survives except Charlie (who was ok with dying).

    I wonder if they’ll do next season back on land to work out “why they weren’t supposed to leave.” My guess is the funeral was for Ben or Locke. Perhaps Naomi was working for Penelope’s dad.

    But overall, this was a kickass finale. Jack stood his ground. Syed and Sawyer kicked butt. And Jack makes out with Juliet and then he tells Kate he loves her….[/quote]

    It seems that men on this island live forever. They can’t be killed. Jack’s fathers body was never found. Could he still be alive???

  391. Leah says:

    The funeral was for a man, the newspaper clipping that Jack was holding on to said that a man was killed, it was crumpled so you couldn’t see the name but the first name started with J and the last name ended in antham or entham, its hard to tell, but it said he was from New York.

  392. Jeremy says:

    I think that the funeral was for Ben. He is neither friend nor family to Jack and is not someone that Kate would not want to pay her final respects to. I think that Jack made Ben leave the island because doing so would be worse than death for him. Just a thought….

    [quote comment="61336"]if that is a flashforward i bet kate married sawyer and thats the other guy cause she said at the end he will be wondering where i am and obviously its someones funeral from the island…locke maybe? jack said he wasnt friend or family and locke has no one so that would explain why no one was at the funeral[/quote]

  393. maria says:

    I don’t know if anyone feels the same way about Desmond, but I don’t think he can “see the future.” I think he has lived all of this already, and that’s why he can see what is happening…but it has to be part of his life, not just the general future. To say the flash forward with Jack and Kate was Desmond’s vision wouldn’t hold with that belief. But him seeing Charlie die does work because he was there to witness it. When he told Charlie he was going to drown, it might have been educated to guess that Desmond was going to somehow actually witness it, which he did. I think Desmond can only forsee things that he would actually see personally. Just a thought.

  394. Toeknee says:

    RE:Kate not being in jail….

    I like the alternate timeline theories suggested as an explanation for this, for example by DaxDiamond (#278), Found (#278), and mohard (#310).

    Another idea I had is that perhaps as part of the arrangement with Oceanic/Hanso/Dharma/Widmore/whoever else is responsible for “rescuing” them, one of the benefits for Kate is that the charges against her were dropped. We see that Jack has a “Golden Ticket”, and Jack said he’s tired of lying – those, too, were conditions of their rescue. If the responsible parties were powerful enough to fake a plane crash (the story of the crash that Cooper and Naomi heard about), they’d be powerful enough to arrange for Kate’s charges to be dropped.

  395. Toeknee says:

    I hate to be the blogger police, but here goes nothing…..

    People, PLEASE read the rules in the bullets under “Leave a Reply”, particularly the first one “Read all comments before commenting. If something has already been said, there is no need to say it again.”

    I know there are many many comments here and it’s difficult to read through them all. But the same questions have been asked and answered many times.

    Here’s a tip, if you have a question about something, search through this page to see if it’s already been discussed. Hit CTRL-F on your keyboard, type in a word that relates to your question, and do the search. Sure, it’s pointless to search for “Jack”, because that word occurs thousands of times. But you could probalby search for a less common word that relates to your question, like “funeral”, “Aaron”, “future”, “lying”, “Radzinsky”, etc.

    This would cut down on the total number of comments we all need to read through, and it would minimize reading the same comment/question over and over.

    Thank you.

  396. LOST#1FAN says:

    What about walter coming back lastnight? where is his dad or was it an illusion?

  397. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="61559"]How do you think the boat people will react when they find Naomi dead? Seems a rescue isn’t guaranteed.

    There must be some connection between the “Canada station” and the 2 dudes up north from the end of season 2 looking for Desmond. And thus there is some connection between Penelope and the others.[/quote]
    Your first point about Naomi is a good one.

    But I disagree with the second one – it is not true that “There MUST be some connection between the “Canada station” and the 2 dudes up north from the end of season 2 looking for Desmond.” It’s possible that there’s a connection, but it is not definite. I doubt very much that there’s a connection between Penelope and the Others.

  398. Tina says:

    Toeknee: Yes yes yes! The PTBs are capable of just about anything and I think they are going to be pretty pissed that John killed Naomi.

    Unrelated: The whispers that John heard before Walt appeared. I don’t think they are related to Smokey McSmokerson. I;m not sure if it was here or on another blog, but someone suggested that they were in fact the whispers of the Losties trying to communicate with their selves from displaced time loops of the island.

    But i think Smokey is quasimechanical and the Whispers are more ghostly/supernatural.

  399. MKS says:

    I think that all the flasbacks and flashforwards we see (with the exception of Desmonds time travel) are not actualy memories of the people, but just a way to show their lives. In other words, we’re not seeing them remembering, we’re seeing the writers giving us info.

    I don’t think Walt was supposed to be much older in this episode. That is why they only had shots of his face and him as seen from the pit up. We were not supposed to see that he has gotten taller and older.

    Naomi having a new phone. Still does not mean that time on island moves differently from time in real world. Just because a phone came out in 2005 or 2006 does not mean it was not being tested and/or used by agencies with special access before.

  400. Where's Vincent says:

    Last episode Kate said: “Here we go again.”
    Jack replied: “Ya – here we go again.”
    Leads me to beieve that the last time they were on the island, Jack DID NOT make that phone call.
    Why would he make that same mistake twice?

    The blonde in the station said that the keypad was programmed by a musician.
    Charlie had the look of freakish recognition/realization.
    Who was that musician that Charlie recognized as being the person who programmed the keypad?

    The funeral person was a male.
    People clamoring about how the casket was small – it sure wasn’t tiny or anything.
    The person was either someone we have yet to meet, or… someone Jack would call neither family or friend, but react vivadly upon hearing about his death.

    ‘He’ that Kate would be looking to get back to would most likely be her… son.

    Last episode, when Sayid pulled the Looking Glass plans – the Darhma logo was a rabbit with a hole in it.
    When Desmond swam down to the Looking Glass, it had the same logo – but no hole in the rabbit.

    Penny’s transmission was that of a person that just saw the connection light go from red to green – just like up by the radio tower.
    So it wasn’t as if she had a direct connection to the station – the station was most likely picking up a transmission in the area.
    Penny’s guys told her about where the magnetic anomoly came from – seems reasonable she would be somewhere in the vicinity.

    If Naomi was a ‘bad guy’ – she sure had information on Charlie “dead rock star… greatest hits…”

  401. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="61577"]Don’t you think that there is something to say about Mikhail killing Charlie and not Desmond? Why not kill that man that “speared” you? Or both? Mikhail specifically swam outside the LG and smiled at Charlie throught the window. Seems like there has got to be something there.

    …..

    Chew on that and get back to me with your thoughts.[/quote]
    I think Mikhail specifically killed the people Ben told him to kill. It seemed at first that he might disobey the order – he did question Ben about the need to do that. I don’t think he saw the point of killing them, but he ultimately followed the order. He seemed to not like the idea of killing people, so he chose not to kill Desmond.

  402. MKS says:

    Naomi only saod that she was send by a woman named Penny who she had NEVER met in person. It is quite believable that she was hired by Penny’s dad under false pretenses and really believed she was just helping a woman find her lost lover.

  403. ubetchacan says:

    When Ben and the hostiles killed the Dharma people, that was not the end of Dharma. There had to be a Dharma headquarters somewhere that is wondering what happened to the Dharma people on the island. Dharma people had to have a connection to the rest of the world for supplies and funding. I think the jamming of radio signals is to keep the island hidden so people from Dharma headquarters can’t get there. Somehow the island can’t be reached or seen. Perhaps Naomi’s ship is a search party for Dharma. The only thing that bothers me is why did Naomi have a picture of Desmond and Penny. Is this just her covery story?

    Oceanic 815 was never found, as Naomi claimed. That is a cover story that was published in the media, because the Dharma people know the flight crashed on the island, and they are trying to get to it. The Dharma headquarters, perhaps in Portland, are trying to find out what happened to all the people on the island. The people from Dharma headquarters are the “bad guys” Ben refers to. When Ben was a child he hated Dharma and all it stood for. He still does.

    Also I stopped my DVR on the maps Jack had on the table in the flash forward. He is trying to find the island, trying to get back to it. The maps were shown only briefly, but if you stop your DVR, Jack seems to be looking somewhere in the north sea, north of France, west of England. Remember, the file that Richard gave Locke on Sawyer was in French…there is some connection here. But Jack is flying every weekend to Singapor and Tokyo, hoping the plane will crash in the Pacific so he can get back to the island. I think the portal to the island is in the Pacific, but somehow the island is not in the Pacific. But how would a tropical island exist in the North Sea where it is a lot colder?

  404. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="61722"]
    Lastly, Ben I think will actually end up being the good guy. But what’s up with him introducing Alex to her mother. When Rousseau originally found him, they seemed like strangers. Did she not recognize him?[/quote]
    When Rousseau captured Ben in season 2, Ben was pretending to be Henry Gale. Of course he wouldn’t acknowledge that he knew Rousseau. Rousseau told Sayid that the person she captured was an Other (“He will lie to you for a long time”). She may not have seen him before – it’s likely that an Other besides Ben stole Alex from Rousseau, so she wouldn’t recognize him from that.

  405. lostie says:

    [quote comment="61776"]Naomi only saod that she was send by a woman named Penny who she had NEVER met in person. It is quite believable that she was hired by Penny’s dad under false pretenses and really believed she was just helping a woman find her lost lover.[/quote]

    I agree, Naomi didn’t seem insincere and now that she’s gone we can’t really find out if she personally had ulterior motives (except in a flashback). But she never gave us any reason to believe or suspect her of lying. I still think that she works for Penny’s dad though.

  406. MKS says:

    Here is an idea/ theory.

    BEN IS THE GOOD GUY. The Dharma iniative (maybe a government agency) found an island with strange magnetic powers, supernatural phenomena, a place where the vail between the world of the dead and the living was thin, a place that could enhance or foster special powers in people, or something like it. They started bringing people there and experimenting on them, using them as human lab rats (or rabbits). This was done in an attempt to find a way to control the world or something sinister like that. In order to keep their projects secret from the world they created an electric shield of sorts to keep the island hidden from radar and sattelite finders. They had a problem though, and that was the people already living on the island. They could not be exterminated, although Dharma tried.

    Ben joined the good side- the original islanders- and helped get rid of the evil Dharma researchers. Since then he has been trying to keep the island out of the hands of those who would use it’s powers for evil. He has been keeping the island hidden by using Dharma’s own blocking devices. When the Losties landed, he was rightfully worried about who they really were and what their intensions were. But, as he told them the Others are not the bad guys.

    Now the island has been found. It was found by the people who Ben tried to keep away, not to do evil himself, but to protect the world from them and their aims.

    In the next season we are going to see that we had it wrong all along. The good guys are the Others.

  407. MKS says:

    Continueing my new theory.

    When the final battle for the island show-down occurs many will die. The government (Dharma) will offer the people who survive the fight a new life. They will never be able to talk about what happened and some (like Kate) will be offered new identities. They will be given money and flight passes, and a clean slate if they so desire.

  408. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="61651"]I’m surprised that no one is thinking about whether this really could be a flashback. It still may be a flash-forward, but what if Jack and Kate WERE on the island before and they’ve been “conning” everyone? [/quote]
    Do you mean that they’ve been conning everyone in all 3 seasons of the show we’ve seen so far? I don’t think so – they’ve had plenty of alone time where they would drop their charade and talk to each other about their plans for the con. But their interactions in those situations make it perfectly clear that they were complete strangers.

  409. gleek says:

    i love the look on the doctor’s face when jack refers to his father in the flash forward. one of total pity. jack was so drugged out and out of it that he didn’t realize his father was dead. i think that he’s on the verge of a breakdown there.. besides, his father is definitely not alive. the doctor’s white coat read “chief of surgery” on it which was jack’s dad’s position.

  410. Mark says:

    MKS:

    Your theory is interesting. But the biggest flaw in it is that the “Losties” have made it clear to Ben that they want to leave the island, not stay. And he knows that they are not there voluntarily, because he watched their plane fall out of the sky. So it doesn’t make sense that he is convinced that they are on the island for nefarious purposes.

    It will be interesting to see what happens next season.

  411. Toeknee says:

    MKS – I like your theory (comments 406 and 407). I’m sure that Ben thinks he is a good guy and that everything he does is for a good purpose (in his mind). But I have a hard time believing anything he says, given how much we’ve learned about his lying in the last few episodes. So I can’t believe him when he says “We’re the good guys”

  412. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="61666"]
    it was interesting that Ben said to Mikhail that the two girls in the Looking Glass were on assignment in Canada – why canada? how many of the others can come and go from the island – Juliet clearly couldn’t – it’s funny Juliet suddenly seems like one of the most likeable and trustoworthy characters around now – she should play a huge part in next season as she knows more about the Others secrets (the temple, jacob, the fertility experiments)
    [/quote]
    To further this thought about Juliet, I would think that the fact that Juliet, Karl and Alex are all with the Losties would create problems for Ben and the Others. If the Losties remain on the island for some time, and if Ben somehow escapes, I’d imagine he’d want the three ex-Others killed ASAP.

  413. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="61640"]
    My favorite line, after that touching moment between Danielle and Alex:
    “will you help me tie him up?”[/quote]
    LOL that was great! Most mothers and daughters do things like going shopping together, or doing each other’s hair, or getting their nails done, or some girly thing like that. Danielle and Alex’s quality mother and daughter time involves tying up a bad guy!

  414. Bugga bub says:

    Did anyone else think that Jack’s dad was sitting next to the boy he rescued in the hospital waiting room? You only see it for a quick second.

    Also, I think it is funny (or an allusion or coincidence) that Desmond is back to being a sole survivor underneath the surface…only now in a hatch underneath water instead of under land. I just think it’s interesting.

  415. Toeknee says:

    I love this comment from Matthew Gilber in today’s Boston Globe:

    “Jack’s future misery casts a shadow backward: Knowing that rescue won’t be a happy thing darkens our perception of Jack’s optimistic struggles to get everyone off the island. It reverses the tone of the show. Will we continue to root for escape from the island next season, or will we reconsider Locke’s belief that they need to stay put?”

    That’s a great viewpoint that I hadn’t considered. You can read the whole article here:

    http://www.boston.com/ae/tv/articles/2007/05/24/lost_finale_leaves_heads_spinning_in_a_new_direction/

  416. MKS says:

    Maybe Jacob is Jack (could that be his legal name?) come back to the island, trying to change the past. He said “help me” to Locke bacause he wanted Locke to stop him from calling for help/ using Naomi’s phone.

  417. Steve the King says:

    Walt could be Jacob.

    Also, the writers wouldn’t have brought Ethan’s grave into the picture for no reason. (that is where the medical kit for Juliet was). They have to have resurrecting powers. I would expect if Michail can come back to life continually then so can others.

    Ethan has always been on the show regardless of his early death. I think we will be seeing him soon on the island.

  418. Joel I says:

    Took all day so far to get through the posts. Thanks everybody for great ideas.
    I am blown away by the idea that the coffin contains Juliet–her sister and nephew were the ones in the car wreck– that is brilliant, as long as the newspaper clipping about the man is unrelated to this funeral. That part doesn’t reconcile at all, as well as the location. Juliet didn’t have any connection to LA did she?
    OK. So Desmond is underwater now; next batch of post-ers can consider whether he resurfaces, or whether he remains there for awhile. Where would he go if he came up.
    BTW, I can’t swim deep because of the pressure I feel in my ears. Anyone else seem to think that it is a little wierd that these guys are swimming around at least 40 feet under water?

  419. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="61710"]anyone think there is significance that kate in the flash forward ahs smooth complexion with no freckles and earlier in episode kate said to sawyer ” why arent you calling me freckles anymore?”[/quote]
    Sawyer not calling Kate freckles – I think it has something to do with the fact that he killed Cooper a few episodes ago. That must have changed him dramatically. Also, notice how he didn’t hesitate to kill Tom later on. Sawyer’s a much darker person now.

  420. So… Having watched the episode 3 times now, and reading above posts #1 – #210, I have some comments…
    First of all – Loved the episode – I can see how some have drifted away from the show since Season 1, but we, the true fans, know it will all tie together, and enjoy every episode whether a strong or weak one.
    This finale was great in my eyes…
    Way to go Hurley ( i was getting upset with everyone being so mean to him as well)…
    And RIP Charlie – i liked your character, and now feel very bad for Claire…. I hope she gets to read the Greatest Hits list from Charlie… Sharpie doesn’t bleed on paper when wet, does it? Hope not….

    It’s funny to hear you all try to asses the size of the casket..”no it looks to small for a man – must be a woman or child” – For those of you saying it is Juliette – probably not if this whole “small casket” thing is actually a valid point.. She’s a very tall woman in case you haven’t noticed…. wouldn’t fit in there either…. Ben, Locke, Sawyer, Walt, Michael…. We are not going to find out until they want us too…. The writers are too clever like that…

    In response to many above comments:
    #86 (Joe) and # 160 (Brutha) – I’m not African-American, but even I was offended by the blatent racism regarding the funeral parlor being in a “black” neighborhood…. It didn’t quite look like Beverly Hills, but come on…..

    #164 (Greg) – I would love for that to be the way it ends… totally bad-ass… Think that would be a great way to end the show… They can tie it all together with the remaining 48 episodes and leave it right there… very Casablanca-ish in my eyes…

    #192 (Sevenounce) – No.. He didn’t ask them to call his father’s office.. She said she would have to call it in, and he said he was away on vacation.. Don’t bother.. In his alcoholic/ drugged up state he could have very easily forged his father’s signature on the perscription…
    Same goes for the comment he made in the hosp. about “call up to my father’s office and see if he is drunk..” Jack is clearly so high on meds… His father is dead….

    #188 (SpinPapi) – It was the sound of the van going through the woods – don’t think that far outside the box.. you are clearly just searching for things way too hard….

    #206 (Caleb) – Dude – Did you even watch the episode? Jack read the obit on the plane before he got to the bridge where the car accident happened….

    One last thing.. my thought’s on Jack’s depression/turn to drugs & alcohol.. I just think that once he got back to civilization, he wasn’t “the man” anymore.. other docs to do surgeries, no one to lead, etc.. Plus all the deaths/killings that took place caould really mess with someone… Clearly a “Shawshank” complex.. Just like Brooks… unable to adapt to the real world…

    By the way.. Love the comment about “just so sad that Jack wasn’t around to see the Sox win the WS…” Was he a Red Sox fan?
    Who cares… I know i am…
    Go Sox!
    There are clearly more questions that have arisen, but i’m sure it will al fall into place in the last 48 episodes….
    See you all in Feb….
    – Kyle
    http://www.ckandg.com

  421. Preeth says:

    [quote comment="61508"]I suspect that Jack’s father will turn out to be alive.
    Here are the pieces of the puzzle:

    • Jack was flying home from Sydney with his dad’s body in the cargo hold. In one of the first episodes, Jack found the casket in the jungle … it was empty.

    • We know that the island has some kind of strange healing properties: it cured Locke’s paralysis and healed him almost immediately after Ben shot him, Naomi had a punctured lung and was almost dead, but managed to heal completely within a couple of days, and Mikhail was killed at least twice only to come back to life again.

    • The references to Jack’s father being alive in the flash-forward were obviously put there pretty blatantly. It wasn’t some slip-up that managed to squeak by the editing process, it was something that was meant to drive everybody nuts like this. If the guy really were dead, they wouldn’t waste precious seconds of airtime throwing those lines in the dialogue.

    All the parts just seem to add up.[/quote]

    if the island can heal people…why are shannon, boone, libby, anna marie, and mr.eko dead?

  422. MKS says:

    I don’t think it was Juliette’s sister and nephew at the hospital. The newspaper was from 2007 and Julian was born in 2002 or so. Either way, the kid was about ten and Julian is only about 5 years old or so.

  423. John says:

    I think Jacob was a passenger on the old boat that crashed there hundreds of years ago.

  424. SR says:

    What about the link that Clair is Jack’s step sister which makes Aaron Jack’s nephew?

  425. John says:

    Or maybe Desmond from an alternate future?

  426. Bridgeman says:

    Never Lost wrote:
    “You all have the man’s name wrong from the satellite phone. I watch the show with captions turned on and his name began with a “M” something like Mininski.”

    It sounded to me like Minkowski. This could be a reference to Hermann Minkowski, a mathematician. He applied mathematics and geometry involving multi-dimensional space and time to Albert Einstein’s Theory of Relativity.

    Just a theory, though.

  427. Cari says:

    [quote comment="61758"][quote comment="61753"]The woman in the car crash that jack saved was Juliette’s sister. And I bet it was Juliette who was in the coffin. Why was no one at the funeral? Because her sister was in the hospital! She was probably on her way TO the funeral. This would also explain Jacks devoted interested in saving her. Now why do you suppose Juliette is dead – probably murdered as part of some conspiracy.[/quote]
    John, that actually makes more sense than anything I’ve heard thus far. Great thinking.[/quote]

    This is my favorite theory so far…but does it fit the time frame? The boy who waved to Jack looked about 7 or 8 (I think?)

  428. One thing NEVER mentioned here is the fact that all these people from the “crash” are all somehow interconnected based on their flashbacks we’ve seen. You cant tell me its coincidence that they are all together on the island.

    There has got to be some experimentation of some sorts going on to bring them all to the island in the first place. Maybe the crash was all faked, these people had their past memories erased with new ones and dumped on the island after they went through some experiments. We’ve already seen Ben and the others doing all sorts of experimentation so I dont this this is above and beyond a ridiculous theory.

    Maybe the writers are got this whole idea and expanding on it based on flight 93 from September 11th. Skeptics believe flight 93 never crashed in PA since there was little to none wreckage (so ive read). Plane crashes, like the Lockerbie crash, or our own LOST crash, has plane debris everywhere. Body parts everywhere and so on. Skeptics have wide varying theories of flight 93 such as it was a missile that hit the ground and the real flight was whisked away someplace (to Chicago I think) and the passengers were given new identities as a bi cover up. So, whether skeptics are right or not about flight 93, our LOST writers could have used that whole 9/11 flight 93 plot line as a basis for the show LOST and the Oceanic plane crash.

    Thats my 2 cent theory anyhow!

    In honour of Hurley and his heroics in this season finale, Im going to buy an english bulldog and name him Hurley!! Whoohooo!

  429. Mark Jensen says:

    Season 3 has been absolutely outstanding. No other show, no other experience or no other movie has ever compared to it.

    I think the flashforward was meant to distract us in some way. There is still too long a way for them to get home already. As we know, they obviously WON’T get rescued through Naomi, because she’s not working with Pen. And a little detail: Now she’s dead. But the point being, she was lying. Why she was having a picture of Pen & Des is hard to say.

    And besides Ben knows something we don’t. And it was said that Jacob will be a season 4-mystery, so my guess is we will stay on the island untill the end. I believe this flashforward will be picked up and maybe replayed in some ways, in the very finale of the entire show. As someone said: The beginning of the end.

    And if timeline-messup is a big part of Lost I will simply just love that they mix togehter flashbacks and flashforwards. Makes

    The death was Charlie was bloody sad, but very creatively and great done. If he really has to die, I’m glad he dies as a hero.

    Thanks to Carlton, Lindelof and the gang for the best season of Lost ever.

  430. Geordie says:

    Another Theory –

    I think in the future when Everyone gets of the Island they all die. The reason maybe because they cheated death and should have died in the plane crash. When Ben told Jack that he would kill everyone if he got them rescued is because Ben knows they can only survive on the Island.
    In the Future Jack is so messed up because he realises Ben was right. I think once they get back to reality they
    inadvertently cause each others deaths. Thats why Kate did not want to talk to him. Jack blames himself for all this. Also the girl that he saved on the bridge is
    Claire(His sister) That’s why he insisted on operating on her. The boy in the waiting room was Claires son.

  431. One last thing.. I thought it was fitting for Charlie to make the sign of the cross as the last thing he did just before his death….
    And to die for the well-being of Claire and Aaron… Very heroic.. Very fitting….
    A character who will truely be misssed… (not just missed because they are hot – i.e. Shannon!)
    – CK
    http://www.ckandg.com

  432. One more thing… I thought it was fitting for Charlie to make the sign of the cross as the last thing he did just before his death….
    And to die for the well-being of Claire and Aaron… Very heroic.. Very fitting….
    A character who will truely be misssed… (not just missed because they are hot – i.e. Shannon!)
    – CK
    http://www.ckandg.com

  433. youalleverybody says:

    okay so im entertaining the idea that maybe the flashforward was a flashback of some sorts? anyonethink about all of kates “flashbacks” i might be missing something but the one where she pulls the bank robbery only for the lock box that contains a mini oceanic plane….could it be flashforward? she misses the island as well? again i might be missing something its been awhile since ive watched the ep.

  434. Mark Jensen says:

    Comment #81:

    Not to sound like an idiot.. But “10-year-old boys” grow over three-four years.

  435. Tina says:

    [quote comment="61807"]What about the link that Clair is Jack’s step sister which makes Aaron Jack’s nephew?[/quote]

    Perhaps that is something that season four will address now that Charlie is dead and Claire will need to form new relationships with the survivors, perhaps she will look to Jack for comfort.

    I’m beginning to believe that there won’t be a legitimate rescue, but rather the looming possibility of one. Maybe the flashforwards will continue with what will happen IF they get rescued and then they don’t.

  436. Steve the King says:

    This whole series is fantastic and I’ll argue the opposite with anyone. It has the mysterious occult plot lines of Stephen King, The provoking allusions of Umberto Eco, the enigmatic philosophies of Dostoevsky, and the continuous adventure of a story with murderous bucanneers searching for the ultimate prize.

    The greatest thing they have done is formulate a show which resonates in the mind for weeks and stimulates the creative process. No other show on TV does what Lost does. The only shame is that it is not a show that can attract people mid-way through the series. I hope the twists keep coming and the blogs keep flowing. I would be ridiculously bored without them.

  437. MKS says:

    [quote comment="61816"]Another Theory –

    I think in the future when Everyone gets of the Island they all die. The reason maybe because they cheated death and should have died in the plane crash. When Ben told Jack that he would kill everyone if he got them rescued is because Ben knows they can only survive on the Island.
    In the Future Jack is so messed up because he realises Ben was right. I think once they get back to reality they
    inadvertently cause each others deaths. Thats why Kate did not want to talk to him. Jack blames himself for all this. Also the girl that he saved on the bridge is
    Claire(His sister) That’s why he insisted on operating on her. The boy in the waiting room was Claires son.[/quote]

    Once again, the paper was from 2007, Aaron would only 3 years old or so.

  438. Steve the King says:

    Also, when Jack said they had to go back they weren’t supposed to get off, he says it in a way that would connotate terrible things are happening. Not just to him, but to all the survivors. Though Kate disagrees and says they were supposed to get off, Jack is adamant in his belief that they need to go back. Perhaps all of the survivors are slowly dying off, or more seriously, that terrible things are happening in the world around them.

    The islands powers could be exploited by the new crew, Naomi’s crew, and therefore draining the former survivors of the powers they had, or negating them completely.

  439. MKS says:

    [quote comment="61826"]Also, when Jack said they had to go back they weren’t supposed to get off, he says it in a way that would connotate terrible things are happening. Not just to him, but to all the survivors. Though Kate disagrees and says they were supposed to get off, Jack is adamant in his belief that they need to go back. Perhaps all of the survivors are slowly dying off, or more seriously, that terrible things are happening in the world around them.

    The islands powers could be exploited by the new crew, Naomi’s crew, and therefore draining the former survivors of the powers they had, or negating them completely.[/quote]

    I think that Jack said they were never supposed to leave because the people in charge of the island now are using it’s powers for evil (I already talked about it above). Jack has always displayed a strong sense of high morals, and of a believe in doing the right thing. He is someone who believes in humanity and in the good in people. He wants what is best for society in general, not just what is best for himself. That is why he is going through a moral dillema and is struggling with what is happening. He doesn’t care about being payed of to keep quiet about the island.

  440. theorynut says:

    [quote comment="61771"]Toeknee: Yes yes yes! The PTBs are capable of just about anything and I think they are going to be pretty pissed that John killed Naomi.

    Unrelated: The whispers that John heard before Walt appeared. I don’t think they are related to Smokey McSmokerson. I;m not sure if it was here or on another blog, but someone suggested that they were in fact the whispers of the Losties trying to communicate with their selves from displaced time loops of the island.

    But i think Smokey is quasimechanical and the Whispers are more ghostly/supernatural.[/quote]

    I LOVE IT…SMOKEYMcSmokerson !!! :)

  441. Where's Vincent says:

    I will miss the word Soddin’
    “What were the soddin’ idiots thinking?!”
    RIP Charlie

    OTHER THOUGHTS:
    Naomi said Flight 815 was found – all dead. Many viewers now think she was lying – but what about Cooper saying the same thing “…my dead son.”

    No Hurley Bird…
    Continue to the Temple? Yikes! More 4-toed statues…
    Looking Glass Station still intact…

    I also think the ‘whispers’ are ‘those that were their before’ and whenever something somewhat unexplained happens that some theorize as time warpage and all – we hear them as the time-space-contimuum opens up.

    And lastly – Locke said this once: “Things on this island don’t stay buried for long.” That must be why Ben’s people burn their dead, not bury and why the Dharma folks were never buried, just left in an open pit.

  442. Josh says:

    [quote comment="61830"][quote comment="61771"]Toeknee: Yes yes yes! The PTBs are capable of just about anything and I think they are going to be pretty pissed that John killed Naomi.

    Unrelated: The whispers that John heard before Walt appeared. I don’t think they are related to Smokey McSmokerson. I;m not sure if it was here or on another blog, but someone suggested that they were in fact the whispers of the Losties trying to communicate with their selves from displaced time loops of the island.

    But i think Smokey is quasimechanical and the Whispers are more ghostly/supernatural.[/quote]

    I LOVE IT…SMOKEYMcSmokerson !!! :)[/quote]

    I think it is more likely that jacob is responsible for the whispers and they were repeating “help me”. jacob wants john to prevent the ship people from coming to the island and the vision of walt is an easy way to motivate john. this is why he asks john for help in the cabin. he knows that ben is no longer capable.

  443. Vava says:

    If I remember it correctly, as Charlie was drowning, Naomi was getting a signal and then said that the guy who swam – meaning Charlie but she couldn’t recall his name – was being rescued (that’s when she got some special signal). So she said that ‘he already got rescued’ and perhaps that was a moment when he actually died? if yes, then what kind of equipment these other others (Naomi and the crew) got? I need to rewatch it, but does anyone else recall this? any thoughts on this?

  444. Tina says:

    The woman from the car crash is NOT Claire. Please! Their names are different and they, despite the bruises and bandages, don’t look the alike at all. In additon, her son, as MKS so aptly pointed out is also too old to be Aaron.

    Even if they mind wipe all the survivors or make them all promise not to talk about the crash, Jack would recognize Claire if she were the victim. I think that whole plot line was designed to show how dark Jack has become, you know “Oh how the mighty have fallen.” He was a drug addicted, drunk, suicidal, bad doctor, touted as a hero for saving a woman he endangered in the first place. Whoever said he “was cracking up” was right. He is the shadow of his former self in the flashes, not the heroic leader he is on the island.

  445. theorynut says:

    [quote comment="61780"]Here is an idea/ theory.

    BEN IS THE GOOD GUY. The Dharma iniative (maybe a government agency) found an island with strange magnetic powers, supernatural phenomena, a place where the vail between the world of the dead and the living was thin, a place that could enhance or foster special powers in people, or something like it. They started bringing people there and experimenting on them, using them as human lab rats (or rabbits). This was done in an attempt to find a way to control the world or something sinister like that. In order to keep their projects secret from the world they created an electric shield of sorts to keep the island hidden from radar and sattelite finders. They had a problem though, and that was the people already living on the island. They could not be exterminated, although Dharma tried.

    Ben joined the good side- the original islanders- and helped get rid of the evil Dharma researchers. Since then he has been trying to keep the island out of the hands of those who would use it’s powers for evil. He has been keeping the island hidden by using Dharma’s own blocking devices. When the Losties landed, he was rightfully worried about who they really were and what their intensions were. But, as he told them the Others are not the bad guys.

    Now the island has been found. It was found by the people who Ben tried to keep away, not to do evil himself, but to protect the world from them and their aims.

    In the next season we are going to see that we had it wrong all along. The good guys are the Others.[/quote]

    Great Theory, I’ve been thinking this all along about Ben. He’s sinister at times, yet you feel like he’s being sincere and truthful. He didn’t bring his whole crew to kick the losties b..ts last night, he just wanted to go and talk. I think next season Ben will be an ally, even if he is kinda weird. Good thoughts…

  446. Steve the King says:

    I think that Jack said they were never supposed to leave because the people in charge of the island now are using it’s powers for evil (I already talked about it above). Jack has always displayed a strong sense of high morals, and of a believe in doing the right thing. He is someone who believes in humanity and in the good in people. He wants what is best for society in general, not just what is best for himself. That is why he is going through a moral dillema and is struggling with what is happening. He doesn’t care about being payed of to keep quiet about the island.[/quote]

    good point, I agree with that. Jack would be the one to turn down a monetary reward for staying quiet and Kate maybe not so much though she does seem somewhat conflicted. We don’t know the full scope of the island’s powers, and I think to say they are going to be used for evil is a good way to put it. Definately on to something. If that is the case, what would happen if he goes back?

  447. Steve the King says:

    MKS wrote the first part of my previous post

  448. Tina says:

    Josh:

    I don’t know that the whispers are “Jacob”. I mean when you listen to them taken apart or read the transcripts of them on Lostpedia they are pretty clearly different people saying different things. They might be related to him somehow, but I think they are people or sort of people or things that are observing what’s happening on the island and what people have done prior to.

    check it out
    http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/whispers

  449. MKS says:

    [quote comment="61833"]If I remember it correctly, as Charlie was drowning, Naomi was getting a signal and then said that the guy who swam – meaning Charlie but she couldn’t recall his name – was being rescued (that’s when she got some special signal). So she said that ‘he already got rescued’ and perhaps that was a moment when he actually died? if yes, then what kind of equipment these other others (Naomi and the crew) got? I need to rewatch it, but does anyone else recall this? any thoughts on this?[/quote]

    She just said he had managed to unblock the signal scrambler thing, which he did. She said that now they could all get rescued. I really don’t think she knows who she was really hired by. I believe that she thinks she was hired by Penny, but was in fact used by Penny’s dad(it would be easy for him to get a copy of a picture his daughter keeps on her nightstand), or the (sinister) people he works for.

  450. Tina says:

    Theory Nut: He might not have brought the crew to kick Lostie heiney himself, but he did send them to kidnap the woman and kill the men if they got in the way. I wouldn’t call that sincere. As far as truthfull goes, eh. He isn’t, self admittedly.

  451. MKS says:

    [quote comment="61841"]Theory Nut: He might not have brought the crew to kick Lostie heiney himself, but he did send them to kidnap the woman and kill the men if they got in the way. I wouldn’t call that sincere. As far as truthfull goes, eh. He isn’t, self admittedly.[/quote]

    Yes but, that was in desperation when he learned that Naomi was there- someone who could bring people to the island who have been searching for it. Maybe he was willing to risk a few lives for a greater good, i.e. sacrifice a few lives in order to prevent the downfall of society and the human race?

  452. Tina says:

    Sorry MKS, I just don’t buy into the “Ben is really a nice guy” act. And as far as desperation to save the world from imminent tragedy goes, it is possible, but I wonder how much of whatever experimentation is happening on the island isn’t actually related to whatever purpose the island serves.

    Ben is corrupted, his people no longer trust him for a reason. He’s killing people, lying to everyone, and making rash and arbitray decisions in the name of “Jacob”. SOmething is fishy fishy.

  453. Josh says:

    [quote comment="61835"][quote comment="61780"]Here is an idea/ theory.

    BEN IS THE GOOD GUY. The Dharma iniative (maybe a government agency) found an island with strange magnetic powers, supernatural phenomena, a place where the vail between the world of the dead and the living was thin, a place that could enhance or foster special powers in people, or something like it. They started bringing people there and experimenting on them, using them as human lab rats (or rabbits). This was done in an attempt to find a way to control the world or something sinister like that. In order to keep their projects secret from the world they created an electric shield of sorts to keep the island hidden from radar and sattelite finders. They had a problem though, and that was the people already living on the island. They could not be exterminated, although Dharma tried.

    Ben joined the good side- the original islanders- and helped get rid of the evil Dharma researchers. Since then he has been trying to keep the island out of the hands of those who would use it’s powers for evil. He has been keeping the island hidden by using Dharma’s own blocking devices. When the Losties landed, he was rightfully worried about who they really were and what their intensions were. But, as he told them the Others are not the bad guys.

    Now the island has been found. It was found by the people who Ben tried to keep away, not to do evil himself, but to protect the world from them and their aims.

    In the next season we are going to see that we had it wrong all along. The good guys are the Others.[/quote]

    Great Theory, I’ve been thinking this all along about Ben. He’s sinister at times, yet you feel like he’s being sincere and truthful. He didn’t bring his whole crew to kick the losties b..ts last night, he just wanted to go and talk. I think next season Ben will be an ally, even if he is kinda weird. Good thoughts…[/quote]

    I agree with a good portion of what you have said but also submit this idea. Ben is also very selfish. The others have been on the island a long time (long enough for ben to grow from an adolescent into an adult while they remain the same age). I believe they made him a leader because he spoke with his dead mother on the island and they believe this is actually the island’s way of communicating, which is one of the reasons they revered locke and walt, because they both had/have special ties to the island. Ben went from a child who was verbally abused by his father, to a janitor, to a leader of a rather special people. He will do anything to protect his role as leader (is messiah to strong) including subterfuge and deception, and even the attempted murder of another with an even greater connection to the island (Locke).

  454. theorynut says:

    [quote comment="61846"]Sorry MKS, I just don’t buy into the “Ben is really a nice guy” act. And as far as desperation to save the world from imminent tragedy goes, it is possible, but I wonder how much of whatever experimentation is happening on the island isn’t actually related to whatever purpose the island serves.

    Ben is corrupted, his people no longer trust him for a reason. He’s killing people, lying to everyone, and making rash and arbitray decisions in the name of “Jacob”. SOmething is fishy fishy.[/quote]

    I hear ya Tina, but sometimes, I really want to trust Ben, he says some right on things. Even though he’s wacked. I really do think next Season, when a “rescue” takes place, it will be a trial for our losties. But I do think Ben might be a Redemptive character, even if he’s wacked. Thanks… :)

  455. theorynut says:

    Maybe Ben is like Darth Vadar, a smuck but he ultimately destroyed the real puppet master- the Emperor. Hum…

  456. Tina says:

    TheoryNut: I’ll give you a maybe for now and virtual highfive if you end up being right. :)

  457. theorynut says:

    [quote comment="61850"]TheoryNut: I’ll give you a maybe for now and virtual highfive if you end up being right. :)[/quote]

    Thanks…

  458. lost chicka says:

    i’m only up to comment 400, so please don’t burn me at the stake if this has already been said. sorry about the long comment. anyways, i got a couple of things to say:

    what if the flashforward (if that’s what it is, i’ll say yes for right now) is ben or locke seeing into jack’s future. i’d say ben because he said it’s the beggining of the end, and yada yada yada. but locke also doesn’t want them off the islaand but i’m guessing for selfish reasons. if ben can see into the future, maybe that’s how he knew naomi was with such n such.

    i think the person in the casket could’ve been juliet.i know it’s supposedly a guy since that’s what the paper said (i couldn’t read it at all) but it would explain why jack was so upset by the death & why kate wanted nothing to do with the person’s funeral. and juliet’s sister & nephew could be dead, or not know about juliet being back. but i don’t know, the casket was really small, maybe even to small for juliet. possibly jack’s child? idk, my brain hurts from to much thinking.

    i think jack & kate (possibly sawyer) did something so awful to get off the island that kate doesn’t want to be reminded of it by jack, jack doesn’t want to be called a hero cuz he knows he isn’t, and it’s caused a lot of problems.

    2 questions that are bothering me: 1) why the hell didn’t locke just shoot jack!?!? 2) why the bloody hell didn’t charlie close the door the other way & live?!?!?! sometimes i just don’t get this show…..but i luv it anyways. :)

    jack & juliet have both almost convinced me that they’re “good people” last night. but i still don’t know….

    happy reading! :)

  459. cazzie says:

    heres a wild guess, with the time warp thing, the funeral was for jack himself and he is doing a “back to the future” kind of thing!!! LOL….or im just crazy!!!!!!!

  460. Excited for the Finale! says:

    One thing I did not see mentioned yet was how the sat. phone was ripped out of Naomi’s hands and landed on the ground. I think it was just before lock showed up. I’ll have to re-watch, but on my first take it looked like ben, through some kind of special powers, had moved it out of her hands.

    Just a thought. Great episode. Great comments!

  461. Gabbers says:

    I’ve skimmed through all the posts and my eyes hurt! Some really good thoughts though. I think the general idea is that the “flash-forward” is not definitive and can be changed (hopefully) I really think that Damon and Carlton wanted everyone to realize that it is actually a GOOD thing that everyone is stuck on the island. Besides Juliet wanting to get back to her sister and a few others, hasn’t everyone basically benefited from the crash? D&C have really done a good job with this finale of shifting our focus from them getting rescued to hoping that they don’t. Locke has clearly been right all along and is one of the wisest islanders (a very stark contrast to his seemingly meaningless and pitiful life off of the island) Being stuck on the island is really being free from your past AND (now that we’ve seen the finale) the future as well.

  462. Ben_Sheppard says:

    I’m surprised that no one has brought this up yet…..do you think it is possible that the person in the coffin is a character we have not been introduced to yet? Possibly the next three seasons we would have naomi’s people come to the island, and we start to learn about them. Jack will have some sort of connection with the one in the coffen, however the rest of the 851ers don’t like him/her (hence kate’s comment, “why would i go”). Just throwing it out there, maybe there is a real purpose for why we don’t know who is in the coffin besides to confuse the hell out of us.

  463. Harold says:

    Charlie couldn’t lock the door from the outside. If he hadn’t locked himself inside the “looking glass” would have flooded.

    The person who died may have been Michael. He was certainly not liked by many people.

    I think that the flash foward just shows one potential timeline which may or may not happen depending on what decisions people make. I believe that one of the points of the show is that the future is not preordained but rather can unfold in an infinite number of ways.

  464. DMAC says:

    A few things. If you have not read the book Bad Twin – some of this might not make sense.

    1. I like the theory about Mr. Widmore sending the ship. He funded the Dharma Initiative (from Bad Twin plus the story) and Ben Linus screwed that up. He is likely angry with that little man. Plus he could have given the Desmond picture, plus he doesn’t want Desmond in his daughters life.

    2. I like the threory about the flash forward being not quite what the future has in store. The Gold Ticket could be a niminal or a huge clue as could be the mention of Jack’s father. If you recall back to the beginning episode. There was an Oceanic website that said – “the Company has shut down due the the tragic events of Oceanic Flight 815″ IF they wanted to be completely true to the back story – there is no way Jack is flying around the world on oceanic lfights and this is a dream. ANother possibility is that this is an alternative time scenario and just the consequence if Jack follows through with the call – which he may or may not do. Two clues for that. The inclusion of Stephen Hawkings book – the “Breif History of time” in the episode where Sawyer and Kate escape from the other. Second – the producers mentioned that the Island was “somewhere in the space time continueum on the show “Lost – the Answers”

    3. The newspaper clipping is floating out there on Lostpedia. It is dfeintely a guy in the coffin and he died in a hotel or apartment high rise in LA. It appears his name begins with a J. Could be Sawyer or Locke or Jacob. But if you read point two above that might not matter if Jack chooses wisely. The thoery on it being Jacob needs to be explained. He coudl be manifesting himself onthe Island from off the Island. There is reference to a scientit from Dharma in a previous episode of Ben’s flashbacks. He was one of the Dharma Initiative founders with Hanso. he could be the infamous Jacob – he could also be the muscial guy who programmed the beach boys into the signal jammer. He falls in Love with the Island and its mystical capabilities and bonds with the inhabitants who were there before the inittiative. ANyway – just a theory.

    4. All that said – the best job in the world would to be a writer for lost since you have so much to explore.

    4.

  465. Josh says:

    [quote comment="61857"]I’ve skimmed through all the posts and my eyes hurt! Some really good thoughts though. I think the general idea is that the “flash-forward” is not definitive and can be changed (hopefully) I really think that Damon and Carlton wanted everyone to realize that it is actually a GOOD thing that everyone is stuck on the island. Besides Juliet wanting to get back to her sister and a few others, hasn’t everyone basically benefited from the crash? D&C have really done a good job with this finale of shifting our focus from them getting rescued to hoping that they don’t. Locke has clearly been right all along and is one of the wisest islanders (a very stark contrast to his seemingly meaningless and pitiful life off of the island) Being stuck on the island is really being free from your past AND (now that we’ve seen the finale) the future as well.[/quote]

    Seems to me that you are a very wise poster.

  466. JPlanet says:

    With all the talk about shifting timelines, I’m surprised no one’s mentioned the striking perspective we get when we first see Jack in the flashforward, driving around in his (1970s-ish looking Jeep): looking simultaneously through the windshield and the rear-view mirror. Time (space, really) moving both forwards and backwards. These scenes had such an anomalous feel to them from the entire series: very 1970s Serpico, Dog-Day Afternoon: the aviators glasses and beard, the oldish Jeep type vehicle, the claustrophic and narrow visual space (in contrast to the wide vistas on the island).

  467. Bobola says:

    It makes no sense whatever that the funeral was for Ben or Michael….why would Jack care at all. Especially that rat Michael who I consider worse than Ben, as he betrayed his own tribe to help the evil Others. Even Forrest Gump knows; Evil is as Evil does. Duh.

    If I’d thought that Ben had ordered the killings at the beach as Jack did I’d kill him. Still, the beating was good. Wiped the smirk off…but what sort of Surgeon messes up his hands to flail the bad guy? I put my thumbs in to eyes and blind him then stomp him.

    Bernard sure turned out to be an asshole. A dumb one too. Remember he was rolling on his own wife too.

    Only Ben’s miscalculation saved the three Losties. Yeah, for Sawyer, but I would have interrogated first. You can always go all Rambo later. But at least he understands that this is not a game but a real war. And losers tend to die.

    Many unbelievable things;
    1. that Ben takes his “daughter” along and no back up…none!
    2. That patchy is down but not turned into a “Confirmed” kill. Sayid really messed up! Combat 101….come on!
    3. That Charlie could not just make his way out the door before sealing it. I guess his musical talent was in playing the keypad. I for one am not sad to see him go….sorry Charlie lovers!
    4. The other very odd thing; Locke is so adamant that the phone not be used that he skewers the para-chica…but them minutes later, without ANY explanation to Jack…allows Jack to go ahead and use the phone! Then Locke walks off….makes no sense at all. “HEY, John…why?” here is generally a lack of dialogue sometimes that would surely take place…a weakness in the writing. But I think the drama is so good at the balance of back stories and present shifts.

    The Flash Forward is a great new interesting device! At first I was not happy, but now see this is a brilliant new avenue. GREAT concept looking at everything from a new perspective.

    The only way Jack was showing up at a “Ben” funeral was if he found out that Ben actually was one of the Good Guys after all. Could it be?
    I don’t think so; Michael killing those women was not justified by him wanting his son back. He gets 2 dead women for sure for the possibility that his son MIGHT be freed. Well, sure he got his son but became a stone cold killer. Now those murdered women have no possibility of sons so he wiped out two possible family lines there.
    Mikail (Patchy) has proved himself to be some kind of fool as well as being dangerous. HE finds out Ben has kept him in the dark, did nothing to stop the Beat down by Locke…and still follows orders? And he kills two BABES! (again 2 lovely gals get shot!) Are you kidding? Maybe he thought the women all are repulsed by his scar and thought; well, nyet pussy from them. I kill zem, dah? I bet he’s still squirming around too. Great villain.
    I guess the port hole was too small for Charlie to swim through?
    Looks like Juliet really did switch sides. But WTF is up with Jack laying a big smooch on her and then saying ‘I love you’ to Kate right after?
    From the previews I’d thought the Others had trapped all the Losties in the field. Fooled me, but I stand by my statement that leading a group through hostile territory could be done a whole lot better. Jack is no Leader. BUT Horrah for Hurley! Kool legwork by Sayid too.
    A little Nutty; that a tape could keep playing after 16 years in a tropical climate. I’d thought that an Other might have gone and stopped the tape too but then since they were Jamming it was ok to let it play on.

    Odd conversation on the Rescue Phone; Who is this….(NO) WHO IS THIS? HA…any legitimate Rescue people would ID themselves immediately!
    If Jack thinks Para-chica was murdered by Locke, why isn’t he more outraged? Didn’t see anyone rush to help her either…did I miss it?
    After that; I’d be following Locke for some Jungle Justice or a pretty good explanation… Jack’s got access to a pistol—so what’s the problem? If he killed Locke I guess he’d have to chop Locke up into tiny pieces though or he come back alive again.
    Is Locke corrupted by Jacob now? Is access to the power of healing changing people to baddies?
    LOST sure got some new questions to answer!
    I’m going to tire of the whole Walt thing if that can’t be explained. That was a weird voice over the pit…like a B movie.
    There also seems to be a lot of Stanley Kubrick influence in this Series. Anyone else feel that?

  468. Vava says:

    about the ‘rescue': Alpert heard the raido conversation that Ben had about Juliet’s betray. Alpert asked Ben what he was gonna do when he gets to the radio tower (40 of them vs. only Ben and Alex) and Ben said that he’ll ‘talk them out of it’. Considering that both Ben and Alpert are eager to protect the island (and got rid of Dharma ppl earlier on implying protect by any means necessary), it is very possible that Alpert is not 100% confident in Ben’s plan given the percived risk of island being attacked/discovered etc, so I’m sure that Alpert has a back up plan to protect the island, they would not rely on simply ‘talking them out of it’ plan. They gotta do more! (plus they knew about Naiomi and must have been thinking about what to do with the threat she poses for the island) And if Jacob is interested in protecting the island, then is sending Locke the only/best thing he can do? And for some reason Locke could shoot Naiomi but not Jack? (shoot not necessarily kill just 2 stop him) – hmmm……

  469. Gabbers says:

    In addition to my last post… when Carl was being brainwashed and some people found that easter egg of “only fools are enslaved by space and time” (or something to that effect) it goes perfectly with the idea that the losties aren’t entraped by space or time when they are on the island but in their flashbacks and now flashforwards, they are — which is what makes the island so desirable (and keeps alpert from getting older) But perhaps it’s a mental thing as well (mental toughness/control) because Alpert leaves the island for periods of time and still doesn’t age…

    I’d really like to hear anyone’s thoughts on this post as well as my last one…

  470. Laura says:

    When Juliet offers to go back with Sawyer Jack says “you know you don’t have to do this Juliet.” Why does she reply with “yea Jack, I kinda do.”

    Why does she feel like she has to go? Why does she feel so compelled to go back and fight for the lives of the losties especially when it turns out that there are no guns and she has no knowledge to offer up. Was there something else that she had kept from the losties so she feels guilty?

  471. Luis says:

    [quote comment="61800"]In response to many above comments:
    #86 (Joe) and # 160 (Brutha) – I’m not African-American, but even I was offended by the blatent racism regarding the funeral parlor being in a “black” neighborhood….[/quote]

    Nothing on a show like this is left to chance, and the fact of the matter is that when Jack drives up to the funeral parlor there are three African American guys outside the place, one wearing a do-rag, and the attendant at the parlor is also African American. The casting and the set are all deliberate decisions that the producers make, and want us to notice, just like all the other little details in the show that hint at something without explicitly saying so.

    Furthermore, when Jack gets out of the car and is about to cross the street we get a glimpse of a guy walking down the other side of the street who is wearing a bandana and looks Hispanic. We also see a cop car driving down the street, and everything taken together would seem to validate the theory that this is a rough, inner-city neighborhood in LA, maybe something like Compton or Watts.

    Please don’t go assuming that people are racists for just noticing and wanting to discuss things that the show’s producers decided to put on screen in front of our eyes, because that’s reading too much into it, I think.

    Luis

  472. DM says:

    [quote comment="61496"][quote comment="61483"]What I can get from the newspaper article

    LOS ANGELES

    Man found
    downtown loft

    The body of Jo? ?antham of
    New York was ?found? shortly after 4
    a.m. in the ?courtyard? of Grand
    ?Lofts?
    ? ? at The
    ? ? loud
    ? ? ?antham’s loft.

    ? ? the
    ? ? in the[/quote]
    So it’s a man for sure?!?!?[/quote]

    The Grand Lofts are real… http://www.grandlofts.com/

  473. MKS says:

    Bobola-
    First, after Walt got kidnapped,I think any parent would have shot the two women if there was even the slightest chance of them getting their child back. I completely understood why Michael did it. Didn’t like it, but it seemed pretty realistic.
    Second, Charlie had to close the door from the inside, since that was the only way to close it. If he had not sacrificed himself that way, Desmond would have died as well as the whole LG would have flooded.
    Third, Ben took Alex along because he had found out that ahe was the one responsible for the Losties getting a heads-up and seven of his people getting killed (via Carl). Since he knew she was going to try to sabotage him anyway, he figured he’d take her along.
    Fourth, Ben did not take anyone else along because he truely believes that letting the island be discovered would be a horrible thing. He knows that he can’t get Jack to listen to him if he shows up with guns drawn and is trying a new tactic.
    Last, I can definatelly see how it could have been Ben’s funeral. No one showed up from the Losties because they don’t like him, but Jack has, in the meantime, come to understand that there was a bigger picture Ben was protecting and thus is upset by his death. Ben’s death would also mean that a person who understood the island as Jack perhaps now does, a place Jack seems desperate to get back to, is dead.

  474. sandra says:

    Laura,

    I think Juliet feels like she has to go back and fight because if something did go wrong she’d feel like it was her fault. Like, if the plan didn’t work, and if her people found out it was a set up and were holding Jin, Bernard, and Sayid hostage (which they werE), she would feel responsible since the set up was her idea.

  475. mohard says:

    [Unread Comment]
    Ben_Sheppard
    Comment 463, posted 35 minutes ago – Quote and reply

    I’m surprised that no one has brought this up yet…..do you think it is possible that the person in the coffin is a character we have not been introduced to yet?

    Please read all comments before being surprised.
    It has been brought up before.

    Thank you!

  476. JCSMalls says:

    Maybe the Island and all the craziness is all in Jacks Head……There was a plane crash and there were survivors, but with his wife leaving him, the loss of his dad, and the trauma from the plane crash he lost his mind. He lives in a drug induced/Paranoid Skitzso world were he is the hero and the focus of much of the story. He creates all of the characters and stories from people that has met and known his entire life. Maybe the meeting with Kate was one of the last steps before he officially fell off the deep-end. Could he be locked up like Hurley was?

    I don’t think this is true, but it just popped into my head as I was reading these Blogs….I think I just blew my own mind!!!

  477. mohard says:

    Wouldn’t Ben have had a little bit stronger reaction to seeing Locke still alive, at the radio tower? Or did he know that the gunshot to the gut would have only slowed him down, not killed him, due the island’s healing powers? Or had Rousseau already elbowed him in the face before Locke showed up?

  478. spiralturtle says:

    [quote comment="61613"]Has anyone asked why the french chick was able to have Ben’s baby and not die like all the other women that got pregnant on the island? And they made a point this season to show Richard in Ben’s flash-back from when he was a child… which says to me that there is some kind of anti-aging going on… you know, along with ‘Patchy’ the invinsible man.[/quote]

    In an interview he did yesterday, Damon comfirmed that Ben was not the biological father of Alex.

  479. lost chicka says:

    the woman who was in the car crash was mrs. arland. finally caught that 3rd time watching the ep. claire’s last name is littleton & woman on the bed looked nothing like her. so unless claire got plastic surgery to look different & got married/changed her last name it’s not her.

    the island is under attack by forces that are greater than the island has ever been under attack by according to ben. WHAT ON EARTH IS ATTACKING IT!!!!!!!!!???????????!!!! smokey? aliens? what!?

    naomi may have never given us reason to distrust her but she certainly never gave us reason to trust her. i guess for now it’s just what u believe.

    i think that Sawyer has been thinking a lot lately about what he’s done (in the brig). i don’t think he’s becoming a darker person, he still cares about the 815ers. i think him killing tom was just a sawyer/james ford moment. it helped remind me even more why we hate the others.

    i think jack just wanted the drugs so that’s why he forged his dad’s signature (cum on people, he’s a drunk druggie) and i think his “call my father & see if he’s drunk” was because his father was an alcoholic & drank himself to death so it was sorta like “it’s a family tradition brotha, don’t preach to me”.

    i’m gonna be one of the “sodding idiots” to believe ben. there’s just something about him & his bug eyes that make u trust him.

  480. [quote comment="61869"][quote comment="61800"]In response to many above comments:
    #86 (Joe) and # 160 (Brutha) – I’m not African-American, but even I was offended by the blatent racism regarding the funeral parlor being in a “black” neighborhood….[/quote]

    Nothing on a show like this is left to chance, and the fact of the matter is that when Jack drives up to the funeral parlor there are three African American guys outside the place, one wearing a do-rag, and the attendant at the parlor is also African American. The casting and the set are all deliberate decisions that the producers make, and want us to notice, just like all the other little details in the show that hint at something without explicitly saying so.

    Furthermore, when Jack gets out of the car and is about to cross the street we get a glimpse of a guy walking down the other side of the street who is wearing a bandana and looks Hispanic. We also see a cop car driving down the street, and everything taken together would seem to validate the theory that this is a rough, inner-city neighborhood in LA, maybe something like Compton or Watts.

    Please don’t go assuming that people are racists for just noticing and wanting to discuss things that the show’s producers decided to put on screen in front of our eyes, because that’s reading too much into it, I think.

    Luis[/quote]

    Luis – If you’ll go back and read the posts from the people i quoted, you’ll realize that am not disagreeing with the statement that Jack was in a “ghetto” like area – Compton-esq, if you will… My comment was only in refrence to the way the other two “post”ers described that area…
    I agree with them… He did look like he was in a bad area, i just didn’t like the way the “post”ers referred to it…

    Don’t go off on me about “well the producers wanted to create a scene where it looked like Jack was in an inner-city area…”

    – CK

  481. mohard says:

    [quote comment="61876"]Maybe the Island and all the craziness is all in Jacks Head……There was a plane crash and there were survivors, but with his wife leaving him, the loss of his dad, and the trauma from the plane crash he lost his mind. He lives in a drug induced/Paranoid Skitzso world were he is the hero and the focus of much of the story. He creates all of the characters and stories from people that has met and known his entire life. Maybe the meeting with Kate was one of the last steps before he officially fell off the deep-end. Could he be locked up like Hurley was?

    I don’t think this is true, but it just popped into my head as I was reading these Blogs….I think I just blew my own mind!!![/quote]

    I like the idea…i had thought, originally, that since Jack was the first person we saw, in episode 1, that it was all in his head. Possibly, rather than being in a looney bin, he is on the island alone, and created all this in his head just for entertainment?

    Sounds crazy, but hey, so does a mechanical-black-smoke-encased moaning and groaning dinosaur memory stealing monster, right?

  482. Mshellz says:

    Okay – here is my take of the show so far…You guys are thinking this is a “Future-flash forward”? One of the gals here at the office and I started talking and this is what we think..and it really makes sense..It is a bit of a stretch to wrap your brain around..and will drive yoursef nuts when you really start applying some of the events to this train of thought…

    Alternate realities…every fork in the road of your life..you make choices..those choices lead you to the “realty” or person you are..

    In Cooper’s reality (which is where the surviors are all from)- Oceanic crashed and they are all dead..but..the surviors are in a a place between realities.

    What we are seeing from Jack..is the plane of reality they return HOME (Like the show SLIDERS)to – but it is not the same (Home)plane of existance they left…They keep their memories of their past reality (like Butterfly Effect)(they remember being on the island, the crash..etc) Jack says it himself…”, You have not IDEA what I have been thru”…but things are different here cause it is a NEW ALTERNATE REALITY..
    1) Jack is a MESS – “I am sick here…You can’t help me..he is an alcholic and addicted to prescription drugs- unlike his old “past – Reality” he was a star surgeon, a good guy…His father is alive in this reality..Jacks old realty his father died..there was no body in the coffin because where they crashed landed is like a “black hole” between realities??? Perhaps his father is above Chief of Surgery in this plane of existance..Perhaps he is the Chief of Staff of the hospital or CEO/VIP something else – Jack said CALL UPSTAIRS..which indicates..his father is above them all..in the “penthouse”

    2) “Freckles” – is not miserable…she is happier here and has no desire to “GO BACK” – because going back means that she is a wanted fugitive again..here in this reality…she looks great and she is obviously with “someone”..perhaps the guy she had to leave in her old life that she loved..but had to keep the secret from.. In this reality she can stay with him and be happy..here she is NOT a wanted fugitive..perhaps her mother and her are close and she Needs her mother’s love and approval..remember she just wanted to make her mother proud of her..just once…

    3) I think the funeral is a male..because it states in the clipping..”,the body of a MAN…the funeral director asks him Friend or Family..he said ,”Neither” – if it was Julia or any of the others that were Rescued…he would not say that….It is not John..because John would not be “rescued” – therefore, John has never left the island.

    4) I agree..Jack wants to go back to undo the mistake…he said it himself..we have to go back.. Even Locke told him…YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSE TO DO THIS JACK….

    5) The island cures cancer, restores you if you are sick and brings back certain folks from the dead…??? I originally thought that they are in LIMBO and this was a place to face your fears…or come to terms with your past..once you did that..you died…Anna Lucie and the other chick died on the show – because the writers and producer knew they had problem children on their hands with those two in their real lives..DUI’s and such..gave the show a bad rep..,,,However, ECHO faced is fears when he faced the “Smoke” and once he came to terms with his past and changed his ways…he was not LOST anymore. He moved on…Boone – SELF SACRIFICE…very admirable and he moved on…the two who got bit by the spiders…GREED/LUST/MURDER…they moved on also once they saw what each other was really about..(Just rambling..)or each person has a task they have to finish before they can move on..Charlie…SELF SACRIFICE AND UNCONDITIONAL LOVE…

    The producers, writers and such are trying to steer you in the direction they want us to look…see…over there….it is JACKS future….but personally, when a show is trying WAY TO HARD to tell me this is what it is…force feed me – I look the other way and …besides..they are making it too easy for everyone to assume that it is a future flash…it is a narrative…JACK is not aware that this is going to happen to him …YET..

    HOLY CRAP…i just thought of something else….anyone else remember the season finale where they showed Antartica???? and the guy that LOOKED LIKE JACK called Pennelope and said, “it happend again..”????HOLY CRAP>>>That is JACK!!…in the future…trying to find the signal to get the coordinates back to the island…and somewhere along the way he finds Penelope – due to Desmond talking about her.????? What do you guys think???

    Also, Desmond…he has Flashes??? I don’t think so…I think he has been stuck in a loop?>??and knows what is going to happen..because he has lived this before..deja vue??? He is having to live it over and over till he gets it right???

    Man I LOVE THIS SHOW>.but it will drive nuts or drive you to drink…

    Also, Jack is going to kill himself..maybe he thinks that is how he could get back to the island??? there is no indication that they are going to get off the island next season…just the promise from the director and writers…

    Anyway…thanks for letting me ramble on and on..just wanted to voice my thoughts…I love this BLOG.

  483. And i’m sorry…
    Joe is post #87, not #86.. my bad…
    – CK

  484. Tina says:

    Charlie sacrificed himself because Desmond told him he had to in order to stay in line with his vision of Claire and Aaron being taken off the island in a heilocopter, BUT that doesn’t mean rescue for everyone. Though we’re left with, “do they get rescued?” I don’t know that the next season will have them actually be rescued. Desmond’s falshes aren’t absolutely futrue (as I’ve posted before) but possible ones. Because of the choices Charlie and Desmond made as a result of the flash, the jammers were turned off and the Sat phone enabled. BUT Locke kills Naomi (very importante)and Jack makes a rescue call. All things do not necessarily point to rescue.

  485. Bugga bub says:

    When Jack calls on the phone about “the article”…he says “Annie, i just read…” and then breaks into sobs and hangs up. Wasn’t Annie that girl who was the child-hood friend of Ben?

    Also, someone mentioned about Ben being not surprised at all to see Locke still alive…great point! Completely passed me by.

  486. Vava says:

    [quote comment="61840"][quote comment="61833"]If I remember it correctly, as Charlie was drowning, Naomi was getting a signal and then said that the guy who swam – meaning Charlie but she couldn’t recall his name – was being rescued (that’s when she got some special signal). So she said that ‘he already got rescued’ and perhaps that was a moment when he actually died? if yes, then what kind of equipment these other others (Naomi and the crew) got? I need to rewatch it, but does anyone else recall this? any thoughts on this?[/quote]

    She just said he had managed to unblock the signal scrambler thing, which he did. She said that now they could all get rescued. I really don’t think she knows who she was really hired by. I believe that she thinks she was hired by Penny, but was in fact used by Penny’s dad(it would be easy for him to get a copy of a picture his daughter keeps on her nightstand), or the (sinister) people he works for.[/quote]
    i agree that she may not know who hired her and why etc, but i just finished rewatching that part of the episode and as Charlie is drowning, Aaron starts crying, then Naomi gets a beep and asks Clair what was her boyfriend’s rockstar name and then says that ‘Charlie just got rescued’! in a couple of minues, Naiomi says that she got a signal (not right away after she says that Charlie was rescued), so she specifically got a message that related to Charlie before she got a ‘signal’ to ‘rescue’ everyone else…

  487. mohard says:

    I think they mentioned Claire and Aaron getting off the Island because she and her baby are boring characters (i know, even though she’s jack’s half sister), and having them there does nothing to advance the plot. all she does is whine, like her baby. Desmond is the true star of the show: an incredible, naturally gifted actor, glad to see him getting his spotlight!

  488. mohard says:

    I thought Naomi said “Charlie just got US rescued”, that’s why she asked his name.

    and..

    the reason she knew so much about him was because she was a fellow brit, and DS was much more popular over there probably….leave it to Charlie’s a**hole brother to capitalize on hid apparent “death” after the crash.

  489. Vava says:

    [quote comment="61888"]I thought Naomi said “Charlie just got US rescued”, that’s why she asked his name.

    and..

    the reason she knew so much about him was because she was a fellow brit, and DS was much more popular over there probably….leave it to Charlie’s a**hole brother to capitalize on hid apparent “death” after the crash.[/quote]
    u r right…. it was ‘got us rescued’ cheers

  490. MKS says:

    [quote comment="61888"]I thought Naomi said “Charlie just got US rescued”, that’s why she asked his name.

    and..

    the reason she knew so much about him was because she was a fellow brit, and DS was much more popular over there probably….leave it to Charlie’s a**hole brother to capitalize on hid apparent “death” after the crash.[/quote]

    I agree. She saw the green light flash and said Charlie got US rescued. I rewatched it and that is what I heard as well.

  491. Luis says:

    [quote comment="61880"]Luis – If you’ll go back and read the posts from the people i quoted, you’ll realize that am not disagreeing with the statement that Jack was in a “ghetto” like area – Compton-esq, if you will… My comment was only in refrence to the way the other two “post”ers described that area…
    I agree with them… He did look like he was in a bad area, i just didn’t like the way the “post”ers referred to it…[/quote]

    Fair enough; my bad.

    [quote comment="61880"]Don’t go off on me about “well the producers wanted to create a scene where it looked like Jack was in an inner-city area…”[/quote]

    Didn’t quite follow that, though… Can you explain what you mean?

    Luis

  492. nancy says:

    I don’t think Charlie is dead. He could have swam thru that port hole. Besides, I thought someone reported to the group that he was okay!!

    Jack accompanied his dad’s body on the plane in a very early episode. He found the casket empty and saw visions of him as I believe was shown again recently.

  493. A.M. says:

    [quote comment="61573"]is anybody else even slightly phased by ben saying that the island is under assault? i wanna know what it is! any wild crazy theories out there?[/quote]
    This is what we know about Ben:
    a. he has lived on the island for most of his life.
    b. he has seen the island’s healing powers, among other things.
    With that being said, I believe that Ben’s idea of an assult is the island being adulturated by the real world. Back when Alpert recruted Juliet, he raved about the ‘freedom’ that the island had to offer. This freedom is a freedom from material objects, and more importantly, a freedom from government. Ben probalbly thinks that if the Oceanic survivers were to be rescued, the island would be taken over by a variety of governments, scientific researchers, etc. To him, the iminent ‘threat’ of rescue is like an assult on the island.

  494. lost chicka says:

    couple of theories to add to the pile:

    i think next season (or one of the upcoming seasons) will be about who stays on the island & who leaves the island. then some of the people will be on the island & others will stay on the island & we’ll see both. at the end jack will somehow get back on the island. my prediction.

    anybody else think that ben can see into the future & saw jack’s future, and naomi being with these bad people. it would help him out alot with his manipulations & he just seemed “different” this ep. maybe ben is really a good guy & just wants the 815ers to be happy.

  495. MKS says:

    [quote comment="61885"]When Jack calls on the phone about “the article”…he says “Annie, i just read…” and then breaks into sobs and hangs up. Wasn’t Annie that girl who was the child-hood friend of Ben?

    Also, someone mentioned about Ben being not surprised at all to see Locke still alive…great point! Completely passed me by.[/quote]

    If Jack was calling Annie (she could have left the island before the purge or just been gone at that time- which would explain why Ben planned it for that time), that would only strenghten my believe that it was ben’s funeral.

    I think Ben was not surprised to see Locke because he expected him to be alive. He did not kill him after all. He wounded him yes, but he could have shot him in the head if he really wanted him dead. He told him to see if Jacob would help him- and he just got his answer.

  496. [quote comment="61891"][quote comment="61880"]Luis – If you’ll go back and read the posts from the people i quoted, you’ll realize that am not disagreeing with the statement that Jack was in a “ghetto” like area – Compton-esq, if you will… My comment was only in refrence to the way the other two “post”ers described that area…
    I agree with them… He did look like he was in a bad area, i just didn’t like the way the “post”ers referred to it…[/quote]

    Fair enough; my bad.

    [quote comment="61880"]Don’t go off on me about “well the producers wanted to create a scene where it looked like Jack was in an inner-city area…”[/quote]

    Didn’t quite follow that, though… Can you explain what you mean?

    Luis[/quote]

    You got all preachy about how the producers wanted to portray the scene.. and my comment had nothing to do with that…
    It was all just about the way that 2 people described it as a “black” neighborhood…..
    Just thought it ws politically incorect, and i wanted to comment on it..
    Just like if i said “Jin and Sun are two orientals” – Well, they are not – they are Korean, and if they were to read that, they may be offended.
    That is all….
    – CK

  497. Luis says:

    By the way, for everyone who thinks that Charlie might not be dead:

    http://www.eonline.com/gossip/kristin/detail/index.jsp?uuid=c5cbd6b3-5309-48df-9128-278b046b61b8

    An interesting interview with Damon Lindelof before they go into “radio silence”:

    http://www.eonline.com/gossip/kristin/detail/index.jsp?uuid=9c9aafc1-e118-4d0c-9686-6b982fbd4e87

    Luis

  498. Bugga bub says:

    Thank you MKS,

    Also, one of the HUGEST open loops that has yet to be closed is the numbers!? Remember those? 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42. I am hoping that the producers hop on that one soon.

  499. Luis says:

    [quote comment="61897"]You got all preachy about how the producers wanted to portray the scene.. and my comment had nothing to do with that…
    It was all just about the way that 2 people described it as a “black” neighborhood…..
    Just thought it ws politically incorect, and i wanted to comment on it..
    [/quote]

    There’s a difference between something being politically incorrect and something being racist… I agree with you 100% that referring to it as a “black” neighborhood is politically incorrect, but I don’t think that it necessarily implies “blatant racism”, as you mentioned in the first post of yours that I quoted.

    If you were just objecting to the use of quotation marks then I apologize for misinterpreting your remarks, and I agree with you. I got preachy because a lot of people are even quicker to jump the gun and call things racist these days, in the post-Imus era, and wanted to try and not derail the conversation (which I guess I’ve ended up doing anyway). But again, sorry if I offended you.

    Luis

  500. MKS says:

    Like to read your thoughts…

    Locke seemed to loose faith in the island for a bit there and almost shot himself. He stopped believing in himself and started feeling self-pity, and seriously contemplated suicide.

    Jack looses faith in himself and/ or his ability to get back to the island and almost kills himself by jumping off a bridge. He clearly no longer believes in him-self and feels self-pity (telling people they don’t know what he has been through). He seriously contemplates suicide.

    Maybe we are back to the theme of FAITH. Locke ends up getting up and walking again, starting to regain his faith. Future Jack can get back to the island, but he needs to find a way to believe in himself again.

    There is a similar thing happening with Desmond (I’m not good enough), Hugo (I am followed by bad luck), Jin (I am not deserving of my wife), Claire (won’t be good enough as a mother), Kate (poor me- mom doesn’t love me), etc.

  501. 2j says:

    the funeral home:
    HOFFS /DRALAR

    is an anagram for
    “flash forward”

  502. TanziTwo says:

    [quote comment="61892"]I don’t think Charlie is dead. He could have swam thru that port hole. Besides, I thought someone reported to the group that he was okay!!
    [/quote]
    Charlie’s fate can be read here – http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2551

  503. smartypants says:

    Why was Jack’s beard and mustache so obviously fake – aside from it being a different color than the stubble from the island. I don’t think the make-up artists would have missed this one – to me it looked slightly crooked. Is he supposed to be disguised? He is still using his own name. It is similar to Kate not having freckles.

  504. TanziTwo says:

    [quote comment="61903"]the funeral home: HOFFS/DRALAR is an anagram for “flash forward”[/quote]
    yep – we heard that way up in post 371
    AND its “Hoffs Drawlar”

  505. Lostit says:

    Jack’s Flash Forward. It had to be a flash forward because he had his tattoo right. Didn’t he get that in Thailand after his father died??

  506. Hurley's VW says:

    For all those think that A. Charlie is alive or B. Have asked, “why didn’t he just close the door from the other side”, etc.

    Charlie sacrificed himself. Desmond clearly stated and communicated to Charlie that in order for the conclusion of his vision to become reality, ie. Claire and Aaron being rescued, Charlie needed to die and in the way he was suppossed to die. This is why Charlie locked himself in the room when it began to flood and resigned to his fate. Very heroic, very LOST (fate versus free will). And yes, he is very dead.

    Hopefully this clears up the confusion.

  507. Seajam says:

    Just some reflections as I read through the posts:
    shirteesdotnet #428- To take the experimentation theory even further, what if the experiment is still going on even after they were rescued? Each step was just another moment to be observed: This is how Jack dealt with being stranded on the island; this is how he responded to the situation; this is how he responds to being back in the real world. Kate seemed better off than Jack in that final scene. But maybe the “he” who is waiting for her at home is as bad as Jack.

    mohard #4780- I think it’s all still going according to Ben’s plan. He shot Locke because he knew the island would bring John back around. John’s faith slipped during the whole meeting with Jacob. It may seem that Ben’s little world is rapidly falling apart but it could still be an act. Let’s not forget the wonderful performance he gave as Henry in the Swan hatch.

    lost chicka #480- regarding Sawyer, I think you’re right. He shoots Tom and says something to the effect, “That was for the boy you took off the raft.” Two months ago, he couldn’t give a damn about Walt and I think says something to that effect when Michael wants to go off looking for him on their return trip across the island.

    You’ll probably all hate me for saying this but I liked Michael. As a Dad, I think I would have found some way to break out Ben that didn’t involve killing two people. At the same time, when you consider all the father issues the show has, he’s about the only father we’ve seen who actually did right for his kid in the end. And right after doing so, he was whisked off. Interesting.

    The other thought I’ve had is does the LG only jam outgoing, or incoming as well? Follow with me: if the radio tower message can be turned off by pushing a button, and seemingly Ben was in control of the others up to the crash, why jam transmissions leaving the island? On the other hand, if it also prevents transmissions coming in to the island (this seems to be supported by Penelope’s incoming conversation with Charlie that occurs right after he puts in the code) does that mean all the incoming transmissions have been faked? Juliet’s sister and her kid? the news flashes of the crash that we saw in the Flame hatch? If Mikhael isn’t dead, he will be an interesting character next season.

    No way Desmond is going to convince anyone that it’s not a rescue boat. His only hope lies with John. Desmond, John and Mikhael need to team up together.

  508. damien says:

    jacks dad was in the flash forward/back any other which way this is being dragged out

  509. TanziTwo says:

    finito charlito!

    (…swim into the light Charlie…)
    Is that Mikhails’ right hand floating by in the background?

  510. MKS says:

    [quote comment="61913"]jacks dad was in the flash forward/back any other which way this is being dragged out[/quote]

    We never actually saw his dad in the flashforward, or heard anyone talking to him, or heard anyone acknowledge that he was alive.

  511. GuttahMan says:

    [quote comment="61833"]If I remember it correctly, as Charlie was drowning, Naomi was getting a signal and then said that the guy who swam – meaning Charlie but she couldn’t recall his name – was being rescued (that’s when she got some special signal). So she said that ‘he already got rescued’ and perhaps that was a moment when he actually died? if yes, then what kind of equipment these other others (Naomi and the crew) got? I need to rewatch it, but does anyone else recall this? any thoughts on this?[/quote]

    Naomi didnt say charlie was gettin rescued, she said “he just got us rescued” meaning he turned off the jamming device to give naomi’s phone a signal.

  512. MKS says:

    [quote comment="61912"]

    The other thought I’ve had is does the LG only jam outgoing, or incoming as well? Follow with me: if the radio tower message can be turned off by pushing a button, and seemingly Ben was in control of the others up to the crash, why jam transmissions leaving the island? On the other hand, if it also prevents transmissions coming in to the island (this seems to be supported by Penelope’s incoming conversation with Charlie that occurs right after he puts in the code) does that mean all the incoming transmissions have been faked? Juliet’s sister and her kid? the news flashes of the crash that we saw in the Flame hatch? If Mikhael isn’t dead, he will be an interesting character next season.
    quote]

    I don’t think the incoming transmissions have been faked, but I do think that they were being controlled. Only the transmissions Ben wanted got in and out.

  513. Laura says:

    In episode 4 of season one (interestingly named the white rabit) Jack’s father says to him: “You can’t always try and save everyone Jack, because when you fail, you don’t have what it takes.” He says this after young Jack stands up for his friend who is getting bullied.

    Later is episode 20 of season one, Sarah stands up in her pre-wedding speech and calls Jack a hero.

    In the season 1 finale when Jack is sitting at the bar before oceanic 815 leaves and meets Ana Lucia she comments on how slowly he is drinking his gin and tonic and says “Not a drinker eh?”

    Anyways, the point of all this (besides putting off doing any real work) was that I was trying to see Jack’s sort of mental state before the flight left. I know there are a lot of debates about flash forward/alternate reality, but I just wanted to see how much he had changed since the man he was before the flight took off.

    *I remembered Jack kind of freaking out and stalking Sarah, (I only got a chance to watch season 1 shows lol), but he had his father issues after this and he seemed pretty well in control.
    *He did not seem to have a previous drinking problem (as ana lucia points out), thought it is obvious that is father does.
    *He also has major father issues (as have been pointed out many times) but it is interesting that in white rabbit (season 1 ep4) when Jack keeps seeing flashes of his father he can’t lead the people. It is not until he finds his father’s coffin (empty) and he destroys it with the axe that he can move on and take a hold of his life. Maybe in this flash forward/alternate reality, his father is alive so he is back to having this issues
    *I also noticed that although Jack may not be physically younger he was acting “younger” in the flash forward/alternate reality. If you look at his clothing he is wearing a jean jacket in part of it, and listening to loud music. He seems to have regressed quite a long way. When watching the earlier Jack episodes he is always dressed in a tie, and seems relatively subdued.

    Okay I don’t know if anything I’ve said is of any substance but I thought they were interesting findings nevertheless. Yay for lost :)

  514. Katie says:

    You know, the show is really portraying Loche to be a bad guy here with the whole “Joining the other side” ordeal, and the whole not letting Jack pick up the phone thing. However, I think that it is really in fact Loche that is the good guy here! I mean, in the flash forward Jack says “it wasn’t supposed to happen this way, it was a mistake, we need to go back, etc.” Loche is the good guy here but the show is for some reason portraying him differently!

  515. Katie says:

    The end scene was 100% a flashforward! There’s just so many reasons! OK 1st the first thing that Kate says to him is “Stil pulling people out of burning reckage?” (Hellooo do we not remember that first day on the island?!) 2nd, the whole Oxycoton addiction: He did not look that that in ANY other flashback. ever. 3rd, when Jack’s talking about how he flies on the airplanes all the time he mentions that he uses his Golden passes. A golden pass is what Oceanic lines give to people to have free air trips whenever they want. They probably got one of these when they got home from it all. Fourth: Jack keeps saying we’ve got to get back (to the island, where else where he get back to?). Fifth, He keeps saying that we made a mistake (getting off the island) and that we weren’t supposed to leave. Remember how Loche TOLD JACK (ha at GUNPOINT!) that Jack was NOT supposed to do that, but he did it anyway? Alright these are my reasons for why I think that this final scene was DEFINITLY a flashFORWARD! Let me know what you think please!

  516. Kathy says:

    [quote comment="61912"]

    lost chicka #480- regarding Sawyer, I think you’re right. He shoots Tom and says something to the effect, “That was for the boy you took off the raft.” Two months ago, he couldn’t give a damn about Walt and I think says something to that effect when Michael wants to go off looking for him on their return trip across the island.
    [/quote]
    Sawyer was saying that because Tom shot him (Sawyer) while trying to prevent Walt’s kidnapping. He was just doing the typical Sawyer revenge.

  517. Johhny Ficrtion says:

    i don’t think it will be flash forwards next season all of them are going to have to go back and end it they way they should have like jack said to kate at the end. Do you think it might be sawyers funeral and the person kate has to get back to is her child. That could be the reason she is so mad she doesnt go to the funeral is that sawyer left her.

  518. Kathy says:

    [quote comment="61905"]Why was Jack’s beard and mustache so obviously fake – aside from it being a different color than the stubble from the island. I don’t think the make-up artists would have missed this one – to me it looked slightly crooked. Is he supposed to be disguised? He is still using his own name. It is similar to Kate not having freckles.[/quote]
    i have a bit of an issue with this one. I can’t help but notice that wohever does the hair it always looks fake. Look at Shannon’s hair in the flashback episode she was in the year it’s obviously a wig.
    Libby’s hair was obviously a wig when she gave Desmond her boat
    Jack’s hair was fake when it showed how he first met Sarah.
    The list goes on…

  519. Kathy says:

    [quote comment="61895"][quote comment="61885"]When Jack calls on the phone about “the article”…he says “Annie, i just read…” and then breaks into sobs and hangs up. Wasn’t Annie that girl who was the child-hood friend of Ben?
    [/quote]

    If Jack was calling Annie (she could have left the island before the purge or just been gone at that time- which would explain why Ben planned it for that time), that would only strenghten my believe that it was ben’s funeral.

    [/quote]
    I just wanted to point out that Kate also used the pseudo name of Annie when she robbed the bank. Maybe she decdied to change her name to that. She is, after all, a fugitive…

  520. Katie says:

    [quote comment="61926"]i don’t think it will be flash forwards next season all of them are going to have to go back and end it they way they should have like jack said to kate at the end. Do you think it might be sawyers funeral and the person kate has to get back to is her child. That could be the reason she is so mad she doesnt go to the funeral is that sawyer left her.[/quote]
    Possibly!! Either that or maybe it’s Loche that died…(they have no reason to go to the funeral bc he “betrayed” them, and nobody showed up(he pretty much had nobody). Maybe it’s Sawyer that she’s married to now…

  521. Kathy says:

    [quote comment="61882"]

    HOLY CRAP…i just thought of something else….anyone else remember the season finale where they showed Antartica???? and the guy that LOOKED LIKE JACK called Pennelope and said, “it happend again..”????HOLY CRAP>>>That is JACK!!…in the future…trying to find the signal to get the coordinates back to the island…and somewhere along the way he finds Penelope – due to Desmond talking about her.????? What do you guys think???

    [/quote]
    I just looked at the credits and it’s not him. They named two other men for the roles. Also his voice is different. Sure looks an awful like Jack though. :)

  522. DB says:

    How did Penny show up on the screen when Charlie disabled the jamming device? Is there some connection between Penny and the Dharma Initiative / Ben? (I’m assuming either Dharma or Ben created the underground hatch.)

  523. Kathy says:

    Is it just me or does Mikial seem a bit immortal. I mean he’s cheated death twice so far. There is something rather odd about that. I know the island can heal wounds rapidly, but also when you’re dead, you’re dead.

  524. Max says:

    Good thought

  525. Kathy says:

    [quote comment="61936"]How did Penny show up on the screen when Charlie disabled the jamming device? Is there some connection between Penny and the Dharma Initiative / Ben? (I’m assuming either Dharma or Ben created the underground hatch.)[/quote]
    I wondered that to. It just so happens Penny is online when Charlie unblocks the signal?

  526. JPlanet says:

    [quote comment="61939"][quote comment="61936"]How did Penny show up on the screen when Charlie disabled the jamming device? Is there some connection between Penny and the Dharma Initiative / Ben? (I’m assuming either Dharma or Ben created the underground hatch.)[/quote]
    I wondered that to. It just so happens Penny is online when Charlie unblocks the signal?[/quote]

    Yes…this is just a little too convenient, not even a mystery.

    There’s a sense that different parts of the episode were written by different writers. I know nothing about writing for series, so this might in fact be common practice. But there is such a different tone between the younger/regressed urban Jack driving around scenes, which are reminiscent of 1970s film visual style, the large open vista Moses exodus (and confrontation on the island), which I take as a more normative style, and the tight, taut but slightly implausibly executioned looking glass events, where Penny just happens to be visually and orally transmitting the moment Charlie interrupts the jamming device. Ugh. Too convenient.

    Don’t get me wrong…I’m not looking for continuity of style, but it really feels like three very different writers had a go at this episode.

  527. George R says:

    I think Penny happens to be in her fathers office when the transmission connection occurs. She seems to simply be responding. However, I think her father and his corporation is behind much of what is going on, maybe searching for the island, maybe pulling some strings!

  528. George R says:

    I also think that Ben maybe telling the truth some of the time. Is it possible that at some future time the two groups will join forces against some other new group, a common enemy?

  529. stretchlimo says:

    [quote comment="61720"]*******************
    For the love of God people, stop calling it “a black neighborhood.”
    *******************[/quote]
    Well it was. Did you not see the brothers hanging out in front of the store, the cop cars patrolling the area, and the black guy at the funeral home? What other proof do you need? It ain’t no disrespect to anyone. Puhleeze. Let’s not let this contribute to the wussification of America.

  530. stretchlimo says:

    [quote comment="61727"]Did anyone notice that Jin and Sun were sitting behind Jack on the plane when he finds that newspaper clipping? Anyone have any idea what that was about?[/quote]
    It sure looked like them, but you can’t be totally sure on that. I think it just happened to be an asian couple, and not them.

  531. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="61881"][quote comment="61876"]Maybe the Island and all the craziness is all in Jacks Head……There was a plane crash and there were survivors, but with his wife leaving him, the loss of his dad, and the trauma from the plane crash he lost his mind. He lives in a drug induced/Paranoid Skitzso world were he is the hero and the focus of much of the story. He creates all of the characters and stories from people that has met and known his entire life. Maybe the meeting with Kate was one of the last steps before he officially fell off the deep-end. Could he be locked up like Hurley was?

    I don’t think this is true, but it just popped into my head as I was reading these Blogs….I think I just blew my own mind!!![/quote]

    I like the idea…i had thought, originally, that since Jack was the first person we saw, in episode 1, that it was all in his head. Possibly, rather than being in a looney bin, he is on the island alone, and created all this in his head just for entertainment?

    Sounds crazy, but hey, so does a mechanical-black-smoke-encased moaning and groaning dinosaur memory stealing monster, right?[/quote]
    ___________
    The idea that everything in Lost is occuring in the mind of one character has already been shot down by D&C

  532. lost chicka says:

    lost it (#506): did he get the tatoo on one of his trips after the crash? did he & that’s proof that the “flash forward” was actually a flash back? and that jack has been on the island before? my head is spinning. i’m so confused! :)

    about penny’s message to charlie: they had to show it. it was then or never. but then again it is lost…..but i’m sticking with they had to show that naomi isn’t working for penny & that penny is still searching for desmond.

  533. lost chicka says:

    [quote comment="61945"][quote comment="61720"]*******************
    For the love of God people, stop calling it “a black neighborhood.”
    *******************[/quote]
    Well it was. Did you not see the brothers hanging out in front of the store, the cop cars patrolling the area, and the black guy at the funeral home? What other proof do you need? It ain’t no disrespect to anyone. Puhleeze. Let’s not let this contribute to the wussification of America.[/quote]

    rewatching it, yeah it’s a black neighborhood & i think that’s meant to be clear. does that mean michael is the person in the coffin? it makes sense to me. i’m politically uncorrect, file a law suit against me or send me to rehab for it. =P

  534. SuzySchool says:

    I think that it truly was Walt, a few years later than when he left. There is some sort of time issue with the island and off-island…so what’s not to say that Walt truly got off the island, and came back (psychic) to Locke? I think Jack is so messed up in the future cuz so many “true” years have passed and he can’t assimilate back into society–his life is sooo different. I think Ben is in the coffin, I think Jack made him get on the rescue boat/copter whatever to torment Ben!

  535. katesFriend says:

    whew, ok, here goes

    about Bernard being a jerk for giving up the losties, including Rose, he was saving lives (Jin, Himself, Sayid) in the moment, prob hoping there would be something they could do before anything happened (this did end up happening), he only did what he thought was right

    also, why would Penny still be looking for Des? it has been over 3 years, why would there be any reason for her to have guys in the arctic and naomi? for all she knows he is dead from a race around the world. i think its her dad

    also, about the other burning the dead and leaving the pit of Dharma folks open, this is really far fetched but mb the “hostiles” are part of the island, so if they are buried, they stay in a state where they can be brought back to life??

    finally, i’m not sure i believe Juliet is in the coffin, but if she is, mb her sister couldn’t come b/c Juliet couldn’t tell her she was back b/c she would have to explain what happened when she left for her new job and why she stopped calling her sis

  536. LostDamery says:

    Wow I am at the bottom of my last refresh 345+ posts but I am sure I am not through them all…
    I have to add my 2 cents:
    1) I am throwing my hat into the future flash but I am guessing only a few losties either chose or were able to make it back (maybe the worm hole closed etc.) Those who made it through are being paid to be quiet, as often happens, and it is Killing Jack inside that he left those still on the island and cant get back to them (a.k.a. fix the problem)
    2) I also agree the deadman may be an other who made it back to reality and was jacks only contact to make it back to the island. Probably talked to Jack about going back somehow…when he died Jack felt LOST and unable to Fix the mess he left on the island.

    an extra cent…his name is Jacob..?
    See ya in about a year, brutha!

  537. aubgars says:

    WOW!

    Is it possible that “Good Vibes” and the notes on the keypad have any correlation to the happenings on the island?

    Thoughts?

    (Sorry if this was discussed)

  538. Lost gal 76 says:

    About Jack’s dad. Just my 2 cents anyway…. I think it was written that way on purpose so we would think is was a flashback..so we would be shocked that it was instead a flashforward…But I agree with the poster that said he was drunk/drugged up when all his references to his dad, and at the pharmacy he was just trying to get the drugs thats why he got mad when she was going to call the office. It was written that way to fool us into thinking it was a flashback…..

    As for the casket I thought it was regular sized, and the newspaper said it was a man in the casket. J-
    _antham of New york. The only character I know from there is Michael, but the name does not fit. so my guess It’s someone from the island using an alias and lied about where they came from…. Or someone we haven’t met yet…JAcob???????Maybe

  539. stretchlimo says:

    Someone mentioned they think the final scene of this season is also the final scene in the series. I think it may be a scene from an upcoming episode, and following episodes will be how Jack & Kate go back to the island to complete some unfinished business.

    Also, after reading nearly all of the comments, I don’t recall seeing any that say Ben may be telling the truth about Naomi’s boat.

  540. pete says:

    ill go a step further not only is it a hanso ship its got to be mittlework on it !who else could be the bad guy ben is refering to?

  541. agonious says:

    so where did the hostiles come from

  542. Lindsey says:

    Okay I’ve had 24 hours to process. I am NOT reading 500+ comments (but I did skim) so don’t shoot me if this was discussed before.

    I think the title has something to tell us in itself: THROUGH THE LOOKING GLASS.

    There are several definitions for “looking glass” but the one I go with here is a mirror of sorts. We’ve officially gone THROUGH the looking glass now and we’re no longer looking BACK and now we’re through it, and looking FORWARD (thus the shift to the future).

    Like I said before, and my opinion is not worth ANYTHING, but here goes: The next 3 years will flash forward yet the losties/others will STILL BE ON THE ISLAND. We will not see how/where/why the rescue happened until the very end, the last season sometime. We’ll see periodic flashes forward yet stick with the struggle on the island. We’ll see how the characters lives were affected by leaving the island.

    And then somehow, mysteriously and magically, they will tie it all together at the very end by HOW/WHERE/WHY/WHEN the rescue happened.

    And the more I think about it, I have NO CLUE who is in the coffin. But the anagrams are awesome—I’m loving them!!!!!

  543. aubgars says:

    I have also wondered if “Through the looking glass” is a reference to Alice in Wonderland?

  544. Didi says:

    OMG…. LAAST EPISODE UNTILL FEB!!!!! NOOO!!! loved the episode, it in the end that i figured out that the jack flashes were actually future flashes! WOW! LOVED IT!! ~:@)

  545. Didi says:

    could the future flashes be desmond’s? Maybe because charlie died, everytghing happened, maybe he wasn’t supposed to die, or even go to the “looking Glass” Ben, as much as it hurts to say, may be right!

  546. Didi says:

    and if it WAS future flashes, y did JAck tell the doctor to see if his dad is any drunker than he is, he could fire him. Isn’t jack’s dad dead?!

  547. Excited for the Finale! says:

    I just re-watched the finale. I noticed this time around that Mikail down in the Looking Glass (sans patch) looks dead on the photo of Jacob. I’m not saying that Mikail is Jacob, just that maybe he helped pull a fast one on Locke. Can anyone find a split screen of Mikail from last night and Jacob?

  548. Excited for the Finale! says:

    Also, anyone appreciate the irony that the code to receive radio transmissions was “I pickin’ up good vibrations”?

    When Bonnie told Charlie that a musician programmed the equipment, Charlie did get a very strange look on his face – like he had a connection to it.

  549. lost chicka says:

    who’s in the coffin is supposed to remain a mystery. that would be why they went to so much trouble to not show us who it is. i’m just gonna wait and be patient to find out who it is cuz that’s how it usually works on lost.

    we’re over 1/2 way to 1000 comments.

    through the looking glass – fmgreen (comment #132) has some great ideas. Charlie died & talked to Penny through the looking glass & the future was seen through the looking glass & communicated with naomi’s ship through the destruction of the looking glass. only one i can think of is charlie saves claire & aaron through the looking glass.

    am (#497) that makes a lot of sense. i was just about to post on here that maybe naomi’s people are attacking the island. her people could be very powerful (maybe Mr. Widmore’s company?) & why naomi being there is such a big deal. but my new question is how does Ben know who naomi’s people are?

    did jack crash on the island first time when he was flying back from his visit in Thailand where he got his tatoos?? i’m probably over thinking here but could that happen? kate was hiding out there & they both crash on the island first. jack feels like now he straightened out what he screwed up first time on the island (maybe adam & eve are his friends? some of the others too?) and he can now go home? probably wrong but i just can’t make up my mind if it was a flash forward or flash back cuz there’s problems both ways (ithink).

  550. lost chicka says:

    [quote comment="61970"]and if it WAS future flashes, y did JAck tell the doctor to see if his dad is any drunker than he is, he could fire him. Isn’t jack’s dad dead?![/quote]

    if it was a flash forward i think jack’s “call upstairs & see if i’m drunker than my dad”was meant like “my dad’s dead (upstairs = in heaven) and i haven’t drank myself to death yet.”

  551. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="61758"][quote comment="61753"]The woman in the car crash that jack saved was Juliette’s sister. And I bet it was Juliette who was in the coffin. Why was no one at the funeral? Because her sister was in the hospital! She was probably on her way TO the funeral. This would also explain Jacks devoted interested in saving her. Now why do you suppose Juliette is dead – probably murdered as part of some conspiracy.[/quote]
    John, that actually makes more sense than anything I’ve heard thus far. Great thinking.[/quote]I’m down with this!! The name in the news story starts with Jo, Ja, Ju…so it’s John Locke, James Ford, or Juliette.

  552. Rob says:

    I did not read all posts either so sorry if i repeat. Anyway, Desmond went back to the past and there was a woman there who guided him back to the island. Who was that woman? That is a crucial character…The alternate (seemingly future) world that we that we see in the final episode must be the past, but a past that does not include the crash or the island as a future. However, the lostees are transplanted to this alternate past via another type of crash similar to the failure to type in the numbers.

  553. Hammer says:

    Didn’t see any posts about how Jack told Kate he loved her just after his open mouth kissed Jules. Thoughts?

  554. Bobola says:

    I think there are some very scary ideas posted here;
    The idea that it’s OK, even heroic, to kill people WHO HAVE DONE NO HARM TO YOU AT ALL so that you MIGHT be able to negotiate yoyr kidnapped child from proved evil doers.
    I guess the ends justify the means for a lot of walking pieses of shit. If that’s not wrong then there is no such thing as murder.
    We certainly live in the era of justification.
    And Bernard; had NO WAY to know things were going to turn out ok after his cofession. His spilling the beans could have just as easily led to more Losties getting shot. Weak asshole. All he had to do was act like a man. Failed. Sayed did not give in!

  555. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="61984"][quote comment="61758"][quote comment="61753"]The woman in the car crash that jack saved was Juliette’s sister. And I bet it was Juliette who was in the coffin. Why was no one at the funeral? Because her sister was in the hospital! She was probably on her way TO the funeral. This would also explain Jacks devoted interested in saving her. Now why do you suppose Juliette is dead – probably murdered as part of some conspiracy.[/quote]
    John, that actually makes more sense than anything I’ve heard thus far. Great thinking.[/quote]I’m down with this!! The name in the news story starts with Jo, Ja, Ju…so it’s John Locke, James Ford, or Juliette.[/quote]
    ____________________
    Hammer – someone mentioned earlier that a good screencap of the article is available at Sledgeweb’s site:

    http://lost.cubit.net/viewEgg.php?id=294

    This may change your thinking a bit.

  556. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="61989"]Didn’t see any posts about how Jack told Kate he loved her just after his open mouth kissed Jules. Thoughts?[/quote]
    A few people commented on that.

    First off, my take was that Juliet initiated that kiss. Sure, he didn’t back away, but he wasn’t planning on kissing her in front of Kate.

    When Jack told Kate he loved her, I don’t think he was saying it because he expects her to be with him. I think he thinks that Kate and Sawyer are “an item” (after witnessing them on Hydra Stations TV screens), so Kate is off-limits to him. But Kate asked him a question, and he answered it truthfully, that the reason he did what he did is because he loves her.

  557. dthompson1 says:

    Is it more than stupid that Walt is now 14-15 vs. 10? I would prefer they re-cast a look-a-like actor who is really 10 or something instead of having a nearly foot taller(needing a shave) Walt. Is this supposed to fool all of us into thinking only 90 days ago they crashed? All true LOST fans own the DVD’s of Seasons 1 & 2 and can easily see the difference in Walt in those 2, let alone him standing over Locke in the 3rd season finale.

  558. markdaddy69 says:

    Crazy, good, not great season finale. First, they have to cast the original Walt character instead of a look alike. A look a like would just be dumb. Producers can’t stop the aging process. Second, the person in the coffin is gasp…Jacob. I haven’t read all comments, b/c there are too many fricken ones, but I believe whatever Jacob is, he’s the one in the coffin. Third, the “flashforwards” aren’t nessarily glipses into the exact future. I think they are consequences of alternative decisions made by the character here, Jack, and what might happen. I think each character will get certain ones as well.

  559. onono says:

    It’s Jack in the coffin.

  560. ken says:

    What i didn’t understand, besides the entire show haha, was why charlie couldn’t have gone outside of the little “cell” in the looking glass and locked it from the outside. I mean Desmond already got the air tanks.

  561. Mshellz says:

    [quote comment="61997"]Is it more than stupid that Walt is now 14-15 vs. 10? I would prefer they re-cast a look-a-like actor who is really 10 or something instead of having a nearly foot taller(needing a shave) Walt. Is this supposed to fool all of us into thinking only 90 days ago they crashed? All true LOST fans own the DVD’s of Seasons 1 & 2 and can easily see the difference in Walt in those 2, let alone him standing over Locke in the 3rd season finale.[/quote]

    IMHO – there are some opinions that the island slows time (people don’t truly age..so Walt left the island and returned to reality..the newspaper Jack is reading in the Flashforward is dated 2007 – so even thought they appear to have only been on the island 90 days (Desmonds vision says they will be rescued..which leads me to think that once Charlie dies..”help” is on the way..Jack and Kate “go back” and are inserted into the time line 3 years into the future., maybe the outside world time has been 3 years…remember..they crashed in 2004..so Walt is 3 years older? That would make him 13 or 14 years older in the vision that Locke sees?
    I know what I am thinking..I am having a hard time explaining it..again..I still think there is some kind of alternate reality going on here..

  562. txflw says:

    I think that the flashforward we saw on the season finale was just that, a flash forward, after all Jack introduced himself to Kate on the island so the scenes could not be in the past.

    I think that the flashforward takes place in an alternate reality that is currently linked to the present day we are watching on the island. As the show progresses we will see how the ultimate rescue actually had negative consequences on some of the losties.

    The flashforwards started at the end and will slowly work their way backward as the present day progresses, eventually the two timelines will meet at a crossroads where the losties will make different decisions and take the proverbial fork in the road causing the previous flash forwards to either cease to exist or continue in another dimension while the Losties have a much happier ending than what we are being led to believe at this point.

  563. Other 218 says:

    We all talk about Mikhails’ longevity. He kind of reminds me of Kenny from “South Park”. He is in almost every episode, is a man of action, says next to nothing, dies all the time and keeps coming back.

  564. Mshellz says:

    Anyone been to this site? Wow..enough informaiton to keep us all busy until February…

    http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Jacob

    Since a couple of folks said Mikhail might be Jacob…there is a resemblance(Sp?) but notice the clothing and hairstyle…looks like someone who has been on the island a LONG time..like from the ship with the old dynamite…

  565. Mshellz says:

    Jacob..biblical references…wow…all from that site…sorry…love the way the writers are taking all this information and putting it into the show..

    1. Jacob had twelve sons, the youngest of whom was named Benjamin. Jacob was the patriarch of what became the 12 Tribes of Israel, people chosen by God to be “set apart” and special..(remember Jack was told he was not on Jacobs list as Special – is Jacob really Bens father? The one he killed???)

    2. Alvar Hanso states on http://www.TheHansoFoundation.org that the foundation’s goal is to “bring rebirth to a dying land and a dying people”. (The Others can not have kids..)

    3. Jacob is an ancestor of Aaron (Claire named her son Aaron)

    4. Rachel was apparently barren, but later amazingly gave birth to Joseph and Benjamin after failing to become pregnant for years. She died whilst giving birth to Benjamin (Ben’s mom died while giving birth to him)

    5. In Jewish history, the tribe of Benjamin’s women and children were all killed, and the remaining members of the tribe could not longer proliferate. The historical solution they came up with was to kill the men from another sub-tribe and take their women and children. (Women are unable to carry to term on the island, and the Others have been taking women and children from Flight 815.)

  566. pens66 says:

    Loved the finale and cannot wait until next season. Most of what I want to say has already been said except I have a question.

    What do those numbers (4,8,15,16,23,42) mean? I really want to know and I hope that they explain them eventually.

  567. Kevo says:

    - the bad guys Ben was talking about are the dharma people, trying to find the island again to make their experiments. they where in War vs the others long time ago, and with the masive kill, ben took control, and make the island hard to find. Thats why they are still searching for it.

    – Walt is Jacob, or he has a strong connection with him.

    – If i was charlie, ill close the door from the outside… but i think he wanted to die, because if he dont, desmond flashes wouldnt be the same, meaning no rescue for claire.

    – Patchy is still alive, cause he is very macho and he never dies, althought i saw the grenade explode in his hand, he must be back for season 4, because everybody loves to see him get killed over and over again.

    – Sayid moves kick ass, i want to learn how to crack necks with my legs, just like him. An i want to learn how to drive a crappy van like hurley.

    – Poor Jin, the only one that didnt get a scoped rifle for a long shot…

  568. Means says:

    my thoughts:

    It is possible that it was Saywer’s funeral…seeing that it was Kate that Jack called to leave a message with…And Kate that showed up to talk with him. Why?
    1.Sawyer could have been worse off than Jack especially if he didn’t end up with Kate. Or if he would have given her reason not to take him back. If they were estranged from one another.
    2.He is neither Jack’s friend or family and he had no family that would come to his funeral.
    3.And he is the only logical “Apprentice” to Jack’s leadership on the island.
    4.The “he” Kate refers to getting back to would make sense if he were Her and Sawyer’s boy…which would give Kate ample reason not to go to the funeral if Sawyer had abandoned them.

    Jack’s reference’s to his father are interesting, but too early to speculate their accuracy.. wouldn’t his father have shown up to see him in the Hospital room?

    Could the mother and child that were in the wreck have been Claire and Aaron? I think so. We did get a good look at the boy. :)

  569. dave says:

    THAT.
    SHOW.
    RULED!

    Here are a few thoughts… not sure if they have been poted before – I couldn’t get through all 569 posts!!

    NOOO! Julliet’s sister and nephew died in the car crash on the bridge – that is why there is nobody at the funeral…. which is Julliet’s!

    That is why Jack is so cut up by the obituary it and why Kate said “Why would I go to the funeral?” (or something similar).

    Also…
    I don’t think it is Locke in the casket as he would have wanted to stay on the island and I don’t think it is Sawyer as I doubt Jack would have been as upset as he was.

    What do you think?

  570. Patty says:

    [quote comment="61361"]did anyone else cry when charlie died? I thought it was the saddest thing ever =([/quote]

    I didn’t cry but I was shouting pretty loud….”Open the door Charlie! Open the *%£$ing door!! Break the glss Des!! Break the ~%*& glass!”

    Infact the whole two episodes, I’ve never shouted at the TV so much – ever! At one point , I even shouted “Yah! Locke power!!” And the scene on the beach with Hurley in the VW van was ike “Hurley!!”, “Sayid!!” “SAWYER!” My neighbours must’ve wondered what on earth I was up to!

    It was a really good finale – cliff hangers not so big as previous but still gives a lot to think about.

    The story is obviously going to start working backwards again to meet them where they are in the middle now,like it was three series of flashbacks and now three series of flash forwards, well, that’s my thinking anyway.

  571. dthompson1 says:

    [quote comment="62005"]What i didn’t understand, besides the entire show haha, was why charlie couldn’t have gone outside of the little “cell” in the looking glass and locked it from the outside. I mean Desmond already got the air tanks.[/quote]
    I was thinking the same thing. Why could’nt Charlie open the door as slowly as the water was coming in? They both would have had plenty of time to get out safely……

  572. Will says:

    For those of you that are interested, here is a pretty good high-resolution view of Ben’s diary and a transcription of it:

    Interesting to note the references to a military strike, but I would definitely like to get some of your take on it.

  573. Tina says:

    Will,

    I just checked that out, whoever did that transcription is freaking awesome!

    On to theorizing: I definitely thought there were two extremely interesting bits in that journal entry, the first being Ben’s reference to the trek of Others as an “Exodus”. You can’t get much more accurately biblical than that. Perhaps he is expecting a 40 year or 40 day wandering in the desert?

    The second interesting bit is the part about the supplies running out do to the missing supply drop. I wonder if this is the result of the hatches being blown up. If, for the sake of argument, Dharma central did not know about the purge on the island and continued to make supply drops on the island to maintain the people they assumed were still working there, then the implosion of both the Swan and Flame stations could have disrupted whatever communication the islanders had with the offislanders. If the Others maintained the appearance of Dharma operations for X amount of time, it makes sense that they would fear the appearance of any additional people on the island, assuming that they could be Dharma operatives coming to check things out. I bet Ben was the only one sending transmissions to Dharma central, since they know he is a member of the team with the exception of perhaps Mikhail and the girls in the LG. Naomi is likel a DHarma operative sent to figure out what the heck happened on the island when Dharma central’s controls started freaking out post explosion. Her cover story was that she was sent by Penny, the daughter of a prominent business mogul and likely Dharma supporter and financer. IT would be an easy cover story to make up and one that the survivors on the island might believe, especially if Widmore exiled Desmond to island intentionally/orchestrated his shipwreck somehow.

    THe R likely refers to Richard Alpert and the H or M, not sure about those. The J is most definitely Jacob.

    Clutch find Will!

  574. Tina says:

    [quote comment="62039"][quote comment="62005"]What i didn’t understand, besides the entire show haha, was why charlie couldn’t have gone outside of the little “cell” in the looking glass and locked it from the outside. I mean Desmond already got the air tanks.[/quote]
    I was thinking the same thing. Why could’nt Charlie open the door as slowly as the water was coming in? They both would have had plenty of time to get out safely……[/quote]

    Charlie was resigned to his death, believing that it was the only way for Claire and Aaron to get rescued, based on Desmond’s visions. I bet he thought that if he “cheated” death again, at such a crucial time, Claire and Aaron wouldn’t get rescued. He sacrified himself for the people he loved. He died a hero.

  575. Will says:

    [quote comment="62044"]Will,

    I just checked that out, whoever did that transcription is freaking awesome!

    Clutch find Will![/quote]
    Tina, this could also be the reason that Ben has to keep up the appearance that they are looking for ways to fix the infertility problems. Perhaps that initiative is to appease the higher-ups at Dharma.

    It would seem from this transcription that the Others left the Village because of some impending conflict, not necessarily the one with the Losties, but the one with Naomi’s group. Perhaps Ben was legitimately going to make an effort to try and join the Others with the Losties.

  576. Tina says:

    [quote comment="62048"][quote comment="62044"]
    It would seem from this transcription that the Others left the Village because of some impending conflict, not necessarily the one with the Losties, but the one with Naomi’s group. Perhaps Ben was legitimately going to make an effort to try and join the Others with the Losties.[/quote]
    __________

    An excellent point! IF Naomi and the freighter are the “real” enemies, then it would explain why Ben chose to talk it out with Jack as opposed to just attacking with guns blazing. You’re right about them leaving the village to avoid a conflict, but where did his foreknowledge come from I wonder? Jacob?

    It would also valifate Ben’s assertion that they’re “The good guys”. IT doesn’t explain why he shot Locke though, or why the Others killed so many people, or why they’re building a landing strip. And didn’t he say that Alpert was to take the people to the temple? Hmm..puzzling.

  577. pete says:

    if dharma/hanso cant locate the island how do they make supply drops?

  578. Dunt says:

    If the images of the newspaper are to be believed then we know the coffin contains a man with a partial last name of which we have yet to hear about on the island. I’ve come to the conclusion that it has to be someone whose last name we do not yet know. Any thoughts?

  579. Dunt says:

    Also Jack’s dad is really dead and Jack was drugged up when he made the comment. THE BLACK DOCTOR SAID HE WAS THE NEW CHIEF OF SURGERY WHICH WAS JACK’S DAD’S TITLE BEFORE JACK RATTED HIM OUT FOR OPERATING DRUNK.

  580. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="62010"]We all talk about Mikhails’ longevity. He kind of reminds me of Kenny from “South Park”. He is in almost every episode, is a man of action, says next to nothing, dies all the time and keeps coming back.[/quote]
    LOL that’s great! Myself, I’ve been thinking of Monty Python and the Holy Grail, with the guy who keeps saying “I’m not dead yet”. But I like the Kenny analogy even better. We just need Ben and Richard to say “Oh my God, they killed Mikhail”, and “You Bastards!”

  581. Tina says:

    [quote comment="62050"]if dharma/hanso cant locate the island how do they make supply drops?[/quote]

    We don’t know that they can’t locate the island. Perhaps the supply drops are automated. We know that the Swan computer had several functions and also that the Flame station computer could activate supply drops as well. Perhaps that was part of Mikhail’s job in the station (before Locke blew it up). Maybe Mittlewurk’s new improved Dharma was responsible for the drops.

  582. bluenote says:

    Quick comment. Most of the lost survivors had father issues. Is this a part of the plot or the writers problem.

  583. Dunt says:

    i HAVEN’T SEEN THIS ANYWHERE ON THE WEB BEFORE: iT IS OFTEN DISCUSSED ABOUT ANAGRAMS (SUCH AS THE FUNERAL PARLOR) WHAT ABOUT THE TITLE BEING AN ANAGRAM FOR SOMETHING OR MORE LIKELY THE LETTERS STAND FOR SOMETHING L O S T IS THE INITIALS FOR WHAT THE SHOW MEANS. iT IS ALWAYS SPELLED WITH CAPITAL LETTERS AND WOULD FALL IN LINE WITH OTHER HIDDEN WORDS OR PHRASES WITHIN THE SHOW.

  584. April says:

    [quote comment="62045"][quote comment="62039"][quote comment="62005"]What i didn’t understand, besides the entire show haha, was why charlie couldn’t have gone outside of the little “cell” in the looking glass and locked it from the outside. I mean Desmond already got the air tanks.[/quote]
    I was thinking the same thing. Why could’nt Charlie open the door as slowly as the water was coming in? They both would have had plenty of time to get out safely……[/quote]

    ___________________________

    I think charlie was trying to save desmond by locking him out of the room. he knew desmond would come in there to talk to penny
    Charlie was resigned to his death, believing that it was the only way for Claire and Aaron to get rescued, based on Desmond’s visions. I bet he thought that if he “cheated” death again, at such a crucial time, Claire and Aaron wouldn’t get rescued. He sacrified himself for the people he loved. He died a hero.[/quote]

  585. marco says:

    [quote comment="61593"]If it was Radinsky on the boat, he could be trying to rescue Desmond, after all he was in the hatch with him a long time, and would have known about Penny & the picture of Her & Des. Remember as we have seen now numerous times, just because he “died” doesn’t mean he’s “dead”.[/quote]
    hold on a second! first of all the person that answers the phone is clearly not radzinsky! if you listen to it again it defo isnt radzinsky! also it wasnt desmond who spent the time in the hatch with radzinsky, it was the other chap, the one who des killed!
    also i dont think that it would be the dharma initiative trying to reclaim the island, because if you remember i think it was in season 2, the guy thats in the hatch with des says that someone was meanto to “end his shift” but noone ever did!
    strange but what a quality episode! i just hope they do next season still on the island! otherwise the whole fascination of the show has gone! i mean its a quality show but i hope its still island based! and its obvious they aint gonna get rescued that easily! the shows running for another 3 seasons!!!!

  586. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="62044"]
    The second interesting bit is the part about the supplies running out do to the missing supply drop. I wonder if this is the result of the hatches being blown up. If, for the sake of argument, Dharma central did not know about the purge on the island and continued to make supply drops on the island to maintain the people they assumed were still working there, then the implosion of both the Swan and Flame stations could have disrupted whatever communication the islanders had with the offislanders. If the Others maintained the appearance of Dharma operations for X amount of time, it makes sense that they would fear the appearance of any additional people on the island, assuming that they could be Dharma operatives coming to check things out. I bet Ben was the only one sending transmissions to Dharma central, since they know he is a member of the team with the exception of perhaps Mikhail and the girls in the LG. Naomi is likel a DHarma operative sent to figure out what the heck happened on the island when Dharma central’s controls started freaking out post explosion. Her cover story was that she was sent by Penny, the daughter of a prominent business mogul and likely Dharma supporter and financer. IT would be an easy cover story to make up and one that the survivors on the island might believe, especially if Widmore exiled Desmond to island intentionally/orchestrated his shipwreck somehow.

    THe R likely refers to Richard Alpert and the H or M, not sure about those. The J is most definitely Jacob.
    [/quote]
    I can totally buy this theory, Tina. Furthermore, perhaps Naomi was sincere in that she believed the Losties would all be rescued. Perhaps Dharma doesn’t want any “outsiders” on this island, so it would be part of her mission to make sure those people are taken off of the island. And then part of the agreement between Dharma and the Losties, in exchange for rescue, they must never tell anyone about the island, hence Jack’s statement to Kate “I’m tired of lying”.

    Another possibility is that she is not privvy to all of the reasons behind her trip to the island. Perhaps she was told she’s just trying to rescue Desmond. Being that she’s rescuing one person, it makes sense to her that she can rescue everyone else and become a big hero.

    Also, regarding Ben’s diary, the (M), if that’s what it is, would be Mikhail.

  587. marco says:

    [quote comment="62020"]THAT.
    SHOW.
    RULED!

    Here are a few thoughts… not sure if they have been poted before – I couldn’t get through all 569 posts!!

    NOOO! Julliet’s sister and nephew died in the car crash on the bridge – that is why there is nobody at the funeral…. which is Julliet’s!

    That is why Jack is so cut up by the obituary it and why Kate said “Why would I go to the funeral?” (or something similar).

    Also…
    I don’t think it is Locke in the casket as he would have wanted to stay on the island and I don’t think it is Sawyer as I doubt Jack would have been as upset as he was.

    What do you think?[/quote]
    thats a good shout about it being juliets siste and nephew! but one findamental flaw is that we see that the woman and child both make it out alive!

  588. Steven says:

    The obituary that jack was reading states the name of the deceased as John Lanthanm. Here is a link to find out more about his theories about time, religion and the mind. http://www.tate.org.uk/britain/exhibitions/latham/transcript.shtm.

  589. Chicas says:

    It was a serious clue that the funeral home was in a black neighbourhood. It either suggests the person was black or poor.
    Michael, Locke and Sawyer are the best possibilities.
    But can someone refresh my memory….did Jack say something to himself before he tried to jump off the bridge?

  590. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="62064"]
    hold on a second! first of all the person that answers the phone is clearly not radzinsky! if you listen to it again it defo isnt radzinsky! also it wasnt desmond who spent the time in the hatch with radzinsky, it was the other chap, the one who des killed!
    also i dont think that it would be the dharma initiative trying to reclaim the island, because if you remember i think it was in season 2, the guy thats in the hatch with des says that someone was meanto to “end his shift” but noone ever did!
    [/quote]
    Kelvin is the guy who was with Desmond. Kelvin’s replacement likely would have come from the Barracks, so the off-island Dharma people wouldn’t have a direct involvement with the assignment of replacement people. Like Tina said in comment #574, after the purge, Ben may have continued to send transmissions to Dharma, and kept up the apperance that the Dharma initiative was still operating smoothly on the island. But, being that most Dharma people were killed, whoever was in charge of sending a replacement to the Swan hatch was also likely killed, so replacements were no longer sent. Perhaps Ben and Mikhail were correct when they indicated people can’t see the island, since “the sky turned purple”, so the off-island Dharma people can’t even see it themselves, so they had to send out a search party (Naomi’s group).

    RE: Radzinsky….amazing how these things work. One person erroneously said that they thought Radzinsky was the person on the other end of the phone. Then several other people have come up with theories assuming that was true, despite the fact that many people have tried to point out that it was not Radzinsky, it was Minkowski, who answered the phone. Very aggravating.

  591. Tina says:

    Toeknee: Of course the M would be Mikhail. Should have thought of that myself.

    I like your idea that Naomi is not privvy to the information regarding the “real” mission. I don’t know that Dharma, in the traditional sense are the ones behind Naomi and her crew. I suspect it is something more sinister, considering the reaction Ben and the Others had to her arrival. Perhaps, since we know that Dharma failed and Alvar Hanso is missing that Thomas Mittlewurk and Widmore Corp, perhaps Paik as well are all in cohoots to find out what is happening on the island.

    I definitely think Naomi was sent by a combination of Widmore/Dharma/Paik/Mittlewurk folk and not Hanso people.

  592. Steven says:

    Sorry! Spelling (John Latham)

  593. smartypants says:

    [quote comment="62013"]Jacob..biblical references…wow…all from that site…sorry…love the way the writers are taking all this information and putting it into the show..

    1. Jacob had twelve sons, the youngest of whom was named Benjamin. Jacob was the patriarch of what became the 12 Tribes of Israel, people chosen by God to be “set apart” and special..(remember Jack was told he was not on Jacobs list as Special – is Jacob really Bens father? The one he killed???)

    2. Alvar Hanso states on http://www.TheHansoFoundation.org that the foundation’s goal is to “bring rebirth to a dying land and a dying people”. (The Others can not have kids..)

    3. Jacob is an ancestor of Aaron (Claire named her son Aaron)

    4. Rachel was apparently barren, but later amazingly gave birth to Joseph and Benjamin after failing to become pregnant for years. She died whilst giving birth to Benjamin (Ben’s mom died while giving birth to him)

    5. In Jewish history, the tribe of Benjamin’s women and children were all killed, and the remaining members of the tribe could not longer proliferate. The historical solution they came up with was to kill the men from another sub-tribe and take their women and children. (Women are unable to carry to term on the island, and the Others have been taking women and children from Flight 815.)[/quote]

    Don’t know if this could be connected, but as Jack was leading the losties to the radio tower one of them, don’t remember which, referred to him as Moses. HMMM!

  594. Steven says:

    [quote comment="62067"][quote comment="62020"]THAT.
    SHOW.
    RULED!

    Here are a few thoughts… not sure if they have been poted before – I couldn’t get through all 569 posts!!

    NOOO! Julliet’s sister and nephew died in the car crash on the bridge – that is why there is nobody at the funeral…. which is Julliet’s!

    That is why Jack is so cut up by the obituary it and why Kate said “Why would I go to the funeral?” (or something similar).

    Also…
    I don’t think it is Locke in the casket as he would have wanted to stay on the island and I don’t think it is Sawyer as I doubt Jack would have been as upset as he was.

    What do you think?[/quote]
    thats a good shout about it being juliets siste and nephew! but one findamental flaw is that we see that the woman and child both make it out alive![/quote]
    One other problem with that is that Kate says “why would I go to HIS funeral” also the obituary says a man.

  595. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="62071"]Toeknee: Of course the M would be Mikhail. Should have thought of that myself.

    I like your idea that Naomi is not privvy to the information regarding the “real” mission. I don’t know that Dharma, in the traditional sense are the ones behind Naomi and her crew. I suspect it is something more sinister, considering the reaction Ben and the Others had to her arrival. Perhaps, since we know that Dharma failed and Alvar Hanso is missing that Thomas Mittlewurk and Widmore Corp, perhaps Paik as well are all in cohoots to find out what is happening on the island.

    I definitely think Naomi was sent by a combination of Widmore/Dharma/Paik/Mittlewurk folk and not Hanso people.[/quote]
    Yeah, when I mentioned off-island Dharma people (in comments 587 and 592), I meant that joint venture you’re talking about.

  596. Jorts says:

    The Nirvana song, Scentless Apprentice, that is playing in Jack’s jeep is very intriguing. Kurt Cobain died on April 5, 1994. The newspaper that Jack was reading on the plane is dated April 5, 2007.

    http://www.latimes.com/la-spinoff-lost24may24,0,3112143.story?track=mostviewed-storylevel

    These writers are making sure that every piece is connected. I love it.

  597. spiralturtle says:

    [quote comment="61531"]I am becoming immune, but couldn’t help noticing the violence was excessive. A lot of cold-blooded murder.I won’t be counting the days till February. This series is officaially lost. What’s with all this OMFG! WTF![/quote]

    I don’t think the violence in Lost is gratuitous. It serves a definite purpose.

    One of the underlying themes in this series is how civilized humans react and evolve when faced with a new environment. Humans do tend to devolve into a more violent state when forced to survive in a hostile situation. The law of civility becomes the law of survival.

    Ever read Lord of the Flies? Check it out, it’s a great, but disturbing, novel.

  598. mikec says:

    First thing fist great episode, loved the ending and i do sincerely hope that it was flash forward because I don’t believe that what we’ve seen of the futrure is where the show will end, Jack will somehow get back to the island. I really hope that it isn’t some alternative future or stupid timeline shift/dimension thing that all frustrates me, just hope than can straighten up the few flaws in the flashforward (if it was one).

    1). Stuff about his dad but I do think it was sarcasm.
    2). Why no one thinks its strange that he’s the doctor who died in the real world and is now back from the dead (or was Naomi lying all along)
    3). Kate is still a fugitive right so how did she manage to get fit back into society without anyone arresting her.

    Kate’s now married to Sawyer right? And its got to be Locke’s coffin. It could be Ben but its more likely that Locke would have left and Ben would have stayed. That would explain Jack’s “forgive me” on the bridge, he’s talking to John. Brilliant just hope they can sustain this huge twist without messing it up. I have faith boys

    Kate’s married to Sawyer in my opin

  599. Monica says:

    [quote comment="62063"][quote comment="62045"][quote comment="62039"][quote comment="62005"]
    ___________________________

    I think charlie was trying to save desmond by locking him out of the room. he knew desmond would come in there to talk to penny

    Amy, this is the best explanation so far! Remember, when this event ‘originally happened’ Charlie has no idea about a rescue for Claire and Aaron. He only knows it know because Desmond has been in this situation before and knew the outcome of the Charlie unblocking the signal.

    Charlie was trying to save Desmond’s life. Charlie died. Desmond would have horrible guilt over this. That is why his visions always centered around Charlie. You save my life, I save yours…

  600. Tina says:

    Monica:

    Charlie died because Desmond told him he died turning off the signal and that resulted in allowing Claire and Aaron to be airlifted from the island by helocopters! It is in the Greatest Hits episode! He has a vision and tells Charlie he’s going to drown in the LG hatch turning off the signal that “saves” the castaways!

    Whether he was trying to save Desmond or not is speculation. I also have no idea where you’re getting the “Desmond being in the situation before” stuff or the “when it originally happened”. Watch Greatest Hits again. What I said is there.

  601. GuttahMan says:

    [quote comment="62020"]THAT.
    SHOW.
    RULED!

    Here are a few thoughts… not sure if they have been poted before – I couldn’t get through all 569 posts!!

    NOOO! Julliet’s sister and nephew died in the car crash on the bridge – that is why there is nobody at the funeral…. which is Julliet’s!

    That is why Jack is so cut up by the obituary it and why Kate said “Why would I go to the funeral?” (or something similar).

    Also…
    I don’t think it is Locke in the casket as he would have wanted to stay on the island and I don’t think it is Sawyer as I doubt Jack would have been as upset as he was.

    What do you think?[/quote]

    if you look at the obituary, it clearly states that the person is a MAN, so its not Juliette or her sister and the woman who crashed on the bridge is probably not Juliettes sister and definatly not Claire and Aaron.

    As far as the man in the casket goes, i dont think we will find out who he is until the end of season 4, Im pretty sure its someone we havent met yet, i dont think its any of the obvious people everyone keeps mentioning, well see though.

    Charlie had to die, and he accepted that. Just like when Sayid said he would give his life if it meant getting everyone off the island, charlie did the same thing. He knew it was comming, thats why he wrote his greatest hits.

    One of the comments suggested replacing walt with a look-a-like. Do you know how much crap the producers are gonna get if they do that? In a show like this i think its almost impossible to cast a look a like for a child as important as Walt is. I know that Walt looks and talks differently, but i got just as excited when i seen him in this finale as i did when i seen him in last seasons finale. Its Walt…no matter how much bigger he gets or whatever, hes still Walt. I dont think the producers thought he would grow 5 inches in one year so they had to cast him out, but when he appears on the island again he should always be the same Walt

  602. lost chicka says:

    [quote comment="62022"][quote comment="61361"]did anyone else cry when charlie died? I thought it was the saddest thing ever =([/quote]

    I didn’t cry but I was shouting pretty loud….”Open the door Charlie! Open the *%£$ing door!! Break the glss Des!! Break the ~%*& glass!”

    Infact the whole two episodes, I’ve never shouted at the TV so much – ever! At one point , I even shouted “Yah! Locke power!!”

    And the scene on the beach with Hurley in the VW van was ike “Hurley!!”, “Sayid!!” “SAWYER!” My neighbours must’ve wondered what on earth I was up to!

    It was a really good finale – cliff hangers not so big as previous but still gives a lot to think about.

    The story is obviously going to start working backwards again to meet them where they are in the middle now,like it was three series of flashbacks and now three series of flash forwards, well, that’s my thinking anyway.[/quote]

    _________
    i was screaming at my tv a lot too. when jack wouldn’t go do whatever for ben & we all thought jin, sayid, & bernard were gonna die i was screaming “what are u standing there for u idiot!? go do what he tells u!!!! don’t let them kill sayid & jin & bernard! go for the love of god go!!!” i’m surprised i didn’t loose my voice. :)

  603. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="62082"]Monica:

    Charlie died because Desmond told him he died turning off the signal and that resulted in allowing Claire and Aaron to be airlifted from the island by helocopters! It is in the Greatest Hits episode! He has a vision and tells Charlie he’s going to drown in the LG hatch turning off the signal that “saves” the castaways!

    Whether he was trying to save Desmond or not is speculation. I also have no idea where you’re getting the “Desmond being in the situation before” stuff or the “when it originally happened”. Watch Greatest Hits again. What I said is there.[/quote]
    To add to what Tina said, Charlie did not have to save Desmond from drowning in the LG station. At the rate water was coming in that port hole, it would have taken hours for the entire LG station to flood. Desmond and Charlie found that SCUBA gear or whatever it was, so all they had to do was strap that on and swim away from the station, and they both would have survived. Charlie closed the door so Desmond wouldn’t try to save Charlie by dragging him out of there – Charlie wanted to ensure that Desmond’s vison played out the way Des described it in Greatest Hits.

    However, you could say that Charlie was saving Desmond in the sense that he thought he was ensuring Desmond’s rescue.

  604. mb says:

    so is niomi darma inisivate(sp?)It is apparent the darma communicated to the “outside world”. so when Ben killed them all and dissrupted the signal wouldnt they send out a search party or something…Niomi and her team? Im getting really upset with being lost!!

    What about in season 1 when Hurley and that chick getting “close” and then theres a flashback that she was in the mental hospital?

    What is Walt doing back? Did he and micheal never make it off the island…like they were killed? Maybe once walt died his “sprit” came out? He was a pretty strange kid?

    So is Locke really the man Ben thinks he is? ben looked shocked to see locke…like maybe locke and jacob have some connection

    I cant belive its over…blows

    There sure was alot of maps on jacks floor and He had a brand new cell phone model, thats when I caught on that is a flashforward. So next season gonna be all flashforwards I wonder?

    Im more interested learning about the 4 toed foot then anything else!

  605. KB says:

    Dunt
    Comment 584, posted 2 hours, 25 minutes ago – Quote and reply
    i HAVEN’T SEEN THIS ANYWHERE ON THE WEB BEFORE: iT IS OFTEN DISCUSSED ABOUT ANAGRAMS (SUCH AS THE FUNERAL PARLOR) WHAT ABOUT THE TITLE BEING AN ANAGRAM FOR SOMETHING OR MORE LIKELY THE LETTERS STAND FOR SOMETHING L O S T IS THE INITIALS FOR WHAT THE SHOW MEANS. iT IS ALWAYS SPELLED WITH CAPITAL LETTERS AND WOULD FALL IN LINE WITH OTHER HIDDEN WORDS OR PHRASES WITHIN THE SHOW.

    I was thinking of this yesterday… with all the anagrams, space time continum talk and LOST maybe being an anagram…

    Maybe the title LOST stands for:
    Living Outside Space and Time
    or
    Living Out Side Time

    Maybe

  606. Monica says:

    [quote comment="62088"][quote comment="62082"]Monica:

    Charlie died because Desmond told him he died turning off the signal and that resulted in allowing Claire and Aaron to be airlifted from the island by helocopters! It is in the Greatest Hits episode! He has a vision and tells Charlie he’s going to drown in the LG hatch turning off the signal that “saves” the castaways!

    Whether he was trying to save Desmond or not is speculation. I also have no idea where you’re getting the “Desmond being in the situation before” stuff or the “when it originally happened”. Watch Greatest Hits again. What I said is there.[/quote]
    To add to what Tina said, Charlie did not have to save Desmond from drowning in the LG station. At the rate water was coming in that port hole, it would have taken hours for the entire LG station to flood. Desmond and Charlie found that SCUBA gear or whatever it was, so all they had to do was strap that on and swim away from the station, and they both would have survived. Charlie closed the door so Desmond wouldn’t try to save Charlie by dragging him out of there – Charlie wanted to ensure that Desmond’s vison played out the way Des described it in Greatest Hits.

    However, you could say that Charlie was saving Desmond in the sense that he thought he was ensuring Desmond’s rescue.[/quote]

    My point is, everyone needs to look beyond Desmond’s visions. Desmond is RELIVING this event. At some point it ORIGINALLY occured, the first time Desmond was in the LG with Charlie. Desmond at that point did not know that Charlie had to drown for Claire and Aaron to be saved.
    All they knew is that the jamming frequency had to be turned off. Period. I have watched the all the episodes many times. The point is, thing of the situation before the ‘flahes’ issue is involved.
    I agree, they would have had plenty of time to get to the scuba gear, so it really doesn’t make sense why Charlie has to shut the door.

  607. scottc13 says:

    I think the man in the Casket in the flash forward is Sawyer. I don’t think Kate ended up with Sawyer at all. I also think he and Kate probably took false names when they left the island. Don’t forget, Sawyer killed the man he mistook for the real Sawyer. Maybe he kept is first name, and took a made up last name. I believe there will be a falling out between Kate and Him. I also thought I heard Jack call Kate “Rita” on the phone when he called her to meet him, so I bet she has also taken on a new identity.

    Now for the big twist. I think the man waiting for her at home is Ben. I think we are all in for some pretty unusual twists next season.

  608. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="62092"]so is niomi darma inisivate(sp?)It is apparent the darma communicated to the “outside world”. so when Ben killed them all and dissrupted the signal wouldnt they send out a search party or something…Niomi and her team? Im getting really upset with being lost!!
    [/quote]
    Well that is just a theory; it certainly hasn’t been stated in the show.

    Part of the theory was that when the purge happened, Ben continued to communicate with the off-island Dharma people (remember, Ben was part of Dharma), so there would be no need to send out a search party at that time. The need for the search party didn’t arize until Desmond turned the fail-safe key, the sky turned purple, etc. Mikhail, Ben and Tom all stated that that event screwed up their communications system, so that would have “disrupted the signal”, as you put it.

  609. Vava says:

    Don’t know if this could be connected, but as Jack was leading the losties to the radio tower one of them, don’t remember which, referred to him as Moses. HMMM![/quote]

    Naomi asked Jack what did he do before he bacame Moses and he replied that he was a doctor and she said soemthing like yes, of course.

  610. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="62094"]
    My point is, everyone needs to look beyond Desmond’s visions. Desmond is RELIVING this event. At some point it ORIGINALLY occured, the first time Desmond was in the LG with Charlie. Desmond at that point did not know that Charlie had to drown for Claire and Aaron to be saved.
    All they knew is that the jamming frequency had to be turned off. Period. I have watched the all the episodes many times. The point is, thing of the situation before the ‘flahes’ issue is involved.
    I agree, they would have had plenty of time to get to the scuba gear, so it really doesn’t make sense why Charlie has to shut the door.[/quote]
    Well, during Greatest Hits, Desmond did tell Charlie that he drowns after flipping the switch, and Desmond said, “This time you have to die”. Now, who knows for sure what would have happened if Charlie disregarded that bit of info, and chose to not drown. But Charlie didn’t want to take that chance. He wanted to fulfill Desmond’s vision, because he wanted Claire and Aaron to be rescued.

  611. Found says:

    A couple more observations that I have had: When Jack was sitting on his apartment floor amongst the clutter of all the maps, it kind of reminded me of the scene in “Somewhere in Time” (The Christopher Reeves time travel movie), where in the end Reeve’s character is lying on his bed and the scene shows that he had completely stopped taking care of himself because the only thing that mattered to him anymore was getting back to the past. For whatever reason Jack’s life has no more reason for going on unless he can get back to the island. When he met with Kate at the airport he said to her that “We” (Meaning Her & Him) made a mistake! That they were not supposed to leave. Obviously events have happened after they left that have made him come to that conclusion, but not Kate. I Think that if it were some catastrophic events that affected humanity as some have speculated, I think that Kate would be in agreement with Jack. Also there is some reason that Jack thinks that the only way back to the island is by crashing again. It’s not as simple as charting a boat and returning. It’s like there has to be an opening in the space time continuum to allow them to return. Maybe just going to the Island would not place them in the right reality, maybe he has gone there and it’s all different now and he realizes that it will take another “supernatural” event to place them in the right reality. But even if it could happen I don’t believe that they could ever get back to exactly that reality because something would have changed based upon their previous actions. String Theories are such a tangled mess!

  612. Tina says:

    Monica: You’re assuming that everything has already happened to Desmond before and that he is reliving events. This is something that has yet to be confirmed by the show’s events. I appreciate the theory, but working from what the show actually tells us, Charlie had to die to save Claire and Aaron and he chose to fulfill the vision Desmond communicated to him. Whether Desmond sees possible futures through his flashes or glimpses of a past he is reliving is up for specualtion among theorists. I don’t buy the theory that he’s reliving everything personally because I haven’t seen enough evidence in the show to support it.

  613. Vava says:

    just some thoughts: Dharma people had a special fence 2 protect themselves from island forces, but Alpert and other original people clearly didn’t need it and lived with the island forces assumingly in peace (or maybe they were able 2 somehow controll them?). Perhaps, Ben, because of his abilities, was recruited by original people to maintain the peace with island forces (Jacob, smoky, etc)??? and yes, there were some leadership issues, Ben vs. Locke etc, but now there is a bigger issue at stake as ‘island is under attack’ etc.

    – maybe Alpert who does not age and thereby possibly outlives everyone on the island, incuding Ben, is the real silent ‘leader’ in a way that he recruits people who help the original people 2 co-exist with island forces (he does not the have the needed powers himself but orchestrates everything)???

    – if original people somehow control the island forces, then when the island gets discovered, maybe they will need to let the island forces loose, what may be very dangerous for the original inhabitants but may be the only way to ‘save’ the island and preserve their way of life? This way the island will be fighting for itself and those who want to stay on it will be fighting againsts the invaders (and maybe also with the island forces which pose threat to them) to stay on it and not to return to the meserable life elsewhere?

    – and maybe Locke didn’t shoot jack or the phone because something like a natural selection need to take place with only those who really want to stay on the island and respect the island will stay on it: like Locke, Danielle and existing others (who follow Ben’s and Jacob’s orders without questioning to preserve their way of life on the island and seems liek they want to stay on the island). And maybe having a person like Juliet who wanted to got home was a big mistake because she did not have the same committment to the island like other others did (but obeviously others needed her and were able to control her until she found losties who also wanted to get out unlike others)..

    sorry, i haven’t really fully developed my theory yet, but just throwing some ideas out here :)

  614. onono says:

    Sun dies next, enhancing the set up for the “Juliette saves Kate (who is pregnant)” dynamic.

    There is no way the writers pass that up.

  615. kloz says:

    At Jack and Kate’s airport meeting, a place he implies that they’ve met before, he said “I’m SICK of lying!”

    Who is he, or they, lying to? Their rescuers? The world at large? Is he trying to go back to save someone, or just himself?

    Any thoughts?

    I also thought Kate was with someone we know already. Maybe it’s Hurley! Remember, he has all that money!

  616. Becky says:

    Wow, so many comments! I figured as much for the season finale.

    I loved this episode and think the writers are brilliant. They left us hanging, but not too badly and not enough for me to say “WTF!” at the end!

    My observations in this episode:

    1. I was glad Sawyer shot Tom for “taking the kid off the raft” because in that moment with them looking at each other, I remembered the fear I felt when they grabbed Walt…it was pure horror…especially for someone who is a parent.

    2. I cannot believe Walt is back! I know it’s been 3 months on the island but it’s been 3 years in real life and it shows how much he’s grown! I am so happy he’s back and I hope we find out next season what became of him and Michael. I’m also wondering about Vincent and his magical presence…will that be answered?

    3. Charlie was absolutely adorable and brave in the Looking Glass and I love that he was singing “You All Everybody.” I really wish Mikhail would just die already. Who survives being electrocuted, beaten and shot with a harpoon in the chest??? He made me so angry when he laughed while holding the grenade.

    4. I was so glad Jack kicked Ben’s butt! About time! Ben could not talk his way out of it. And he finally admitted he’s a liar.

    5. Ben is true evil. He’s been telling his “daughter” for sixteen years that her mother is dead and then introduces them so casually.

    6. The whole episode brought up a good point: why do they all want to leave the island so badly? What is there to go back to for any of them? The only person who is separated from the person he loves in Desmond. I think someone on this blog said it all comes back to Desmond and I think they are right.

    7. Jack telling Kate “I love you” made no sense in the context of what they were talking about. Did he mean it romantically or as a big brother looking out for his kid sister?

    8. So are Jack and Juliette an item now? Kate was obviously jealous…but I think she realized she can’t have Jack.

    9. Hurley rocks!!!!!! That was the best scene when he rolled into the Others with the van. Perfect comic relief. I’m so glad Sayid, Bernard and Jin are okay…Jin needs to work on his shooting. Bernard is awesome and so is Rose, so glad they are back.

    10. What if they were not trying to get off the island? What if they told Ben they were no longer trying to get rescued? Would he leave them alone? He is obviously very adamant about them not leaving.

    11. OMG, Penelope’s transmission!!!! She looks different…shorter hair. Older almost. Where and how was she calling? And who is Naomi, if not commissioned by Pen????

    12. The person Jack contacted on Naomi’s boat didn’t seem too surprised to be contacted and asked to pick up people from a “deserted” island. I wonder who they are and if they are really bad as Ben claims.

    13. John Locke also wants to stay on the island because he and the island are connected in a way no one else is except Ben. I will look forward to more answers about Jacob. John has so far been visited by Boone and Walt…two people he had a bond with. Could that mean anything?

    I plan to rewatch seasons 1-3 to prep for season 4!!!!!!!!!!!!

  617. Becky says:

    [quote comment="62069"]It was a serious clue that the funeral home was in a black neighbourhood. It either suggests the person was black or poor.
    Michael, Locke and Sawyer are the best possibilities.
    But can someone refresh my memory….did Jack say something to himself before he tried to jump off the bridge?[/quote]
    he said “forgive me”

  618. Ben_Sheppard says:

    i don’t know if this has been brought up before or not, so don’t kill me on this (that means you mohard!)….The newspaper was dated April 7, 2007. On the way to the funeral parlor, jack was listening to Nirvana. April 7, 2007 is the 15 year anniversary of the death of Kurt Cobain so there’s your answer to if there was any significance to the song.

  619. LostOne says:

    Could the woman in the hospital be Jacks ex wife and the boy Jacks son?

  620. lost chicka says:

    finally read through all the comments – again. :)y’all always have the best ideas. i have no clue what i’m going to do this fall without lost. anyways…

    jack said something before he was suppossed to jump but i can’t figure out what he said. maybe he asked for a reason not to jump or something that came true, which would be even more reason for why he didn’t want to be called a hero cuz he feels like he caused the crash. sorta like juliet’s husband getting ran over by a bus.

    that old lady sayd to desmond that time or whatever has a way with course correcting. maybe the losties are meant to be on the island so the losties can’t be able to avoid a crappy life off the island. maybe the losties (or at least jack) are meant to be on the island & eventually time or whatever will course correct & put them all on a plane again & they’ll all crash (again).

    the woman in the car crash was mrs. arland. definitely not claire as the woman looked nothing like her & aaron would be a lot littler.

    bobola (#555): yes, it’s very scary that people think that it’s ok to kill 2 people just to get your son back. hopefully they only mean it’s ok in tv world. and bernard’s a dentist, not rambo remember?

  621. Tina says:

    Ben Sheppard:
    I thought the newspaper was April 5, 2007.

    On Jack’s ILY:

    I think he told Kate the truth, finally. I don’t think it was like, I love you baby let’s make out, but rather a genuine I love you, deep down, I’d die for you kind of emotion. He wanted her to know in that penultimate moment that no matter what went down, he loved her, like for real. It was touching and sad at the same time. It was the sort of encounter of man resigned to a life without the woman he loved. Her reaction was equally heartbreaking. She got it for the first time and all her encounters with Sawyer, their island romps flashed through her brain in that moment and she looked like she might hurl. Awesome.

  622. Found says:

    [quote comment="62108"]At Jack and Kate’s airport meeting, a place he implies that they’ve met before, he said “I’m SICK of lying!”

    Who is he, or they, lying to? Their rescuers? The world at large? Is he trying to go back to save someone, or just himself?

    Any thoughts?

    I also thought Kate was with someone we know already. Maybe it’s Hurley! Remember, he has all that money![/quote]

    Kloz:
    I think that all of the lying is that their new reality doesn’t include the world at large having any knowledge of their crash, time on the island, or “rescue”. People would think that they were crazy if they told them about it. That’s why I don’t think that they had to make a promise not to tell anyone; no one would believe them if they did. Jack’s new life reality to him is the lie, and he can’t get past it. Before he was just “lost” to the old life he had, now he is truly LOST to what his “real” future would have been…

    By the way, I don’t think that the way they got off of the island was a “rescue” in the traditional sense of the word, or anything like it. It was a choice that they made that sent them to a new reality…

  623. Tina says:

    [quote comment="62114"]Could the woman in the hospital be Jacks ex wife and the boy Jacks son?[/quote]

    No. Sarah his ex-wife appears in the episode, pregnant with someone else’s baby.

  624. Laura says:

    *Someone commented that Naomi could have made up the bit about trying to rescue Desmond as a cover story. This is plausible but do the others know about Desmond? I think it is odd that the island was purged yet those within the swan were allowed to continue their business. Were they left there purposely or did Ben and the other hostiles not know that they existed. I could be wrong but I do not recall any interaction that Desmond has had with the others, and he wasn’t supposed to be a part of Dharma, so how would Ben/Mikhail/others been able to gain enough information about him to make up a story for Naomi.

    *We’ve seen many times where Ben has manipulated people to get his way, and he seems to be pretty good at it (like when he got Locke to blow up the sub for him). Maybe he really wants Jack to make contact with the boat (maybe because he knows this will lead to a bad future?) and is telling Jack not to because he know this is the way to ensure that Jack will follow through.

    *I think Jack’s “I love you” comment to Kate was meant more to show the drastic difference between their relationship here, and when they are off the island where Kate is ignoring Jack’s calls. I think kissing Juliet was to play on the fact that Jack is trying to keep Juliet on their side

  625. Eric says:

    Wow! Reading all that took a lot of time…

    -Naomi referred to Jack as Moses.

    -Someone in the flashforwards referred to Jack being a hero “again” or “twice.”

    -Leading theories talk about time/space. I would be shocked if there wasn’t play in the Space/Time continuum present in Lost-world. And because of that, this flash-forward becomes a possible future.

    -Charlie died a hero, and found redemption.

    -Alpert will help Jack get back to the island, at some “time.”

  626. Dawn says:

    [quote comment="62049"][quote comment="62048"][quote comment="62044"]
    It would seem from this transcription that the Others left the Village because of some impending conflict, not necessarily the one with the Losties, but the one with Naomi’s group. Perhaps Ben was legitimately going to make an effort to try and join the Others with the Losties.[/quote]
    __________

    An excellent point! IF Naomi and the freighter are the “real” enemies, then it would explain why Ben chose to talk it out with Jack as opposed to just attacking with guns blazing. You’re right about them leaving the village to avoid a conflict, but where did his foreknowledge come from I wonder? Jacob?

    It would also valifate Ben’s assertion that they’re “The good guys”. IT doesn’t explain why he shot Locke though, or why the Others killed so many people, or why they’re building a landing strip. And didn’t he say that Alpert was to take the people to the temple? Hmm..puzzling.[/quote]

    ________

    I think Ben shot Locke because he felt Locke to be a threat since Locke is able to hear Jacob and Ben is not. Remember when Locke heard Jacob? What was Ben’s response? He asked Locke quite urgently, “What did he say? What did Jacob say?” I think Ben feels like since Locke can hear Jacob, Locke could gain power and control. Ben doesn’t want that, now does he?

  627. Tina says:

    Laura:

    Ben and the others weren’t responsible for Naomi’s cover story. The Powers That Be off island were. As far as leaving Desmond in the hatch, read my theory (Comment 574)about it being a ploy to trick the Dharma people off island.

  628. April says:

    my thoughts on an awesome episode!

    in the flashforwards – jack was always being reconized as the hero – i don’t think that refers to the car crash on the bridge – i think it refers to the rescue of flight 815.

    about the presciption fisco – many times people addicted to drugs will try all kinds of deperate things to get their fix – i think that this is that was – when the pharmacist said he would have to call his father – jack said don’t bother because he knew his father wouldn’t vouch for it.

    i don’t know how to explain the fact that he refers to his father except that i wonder if we have MANY different time frames going on? (forward, backward, different scenarios for different forwards, etc…)

    i wonder if this is why desmond saw charlie die in so many different ways? because depending on what thread of time they are on charlie dies a certain way, but it always comes back to charlie dying.

    i think the person in the coffin is locke. i have been trying to think this through and i don’t believe charlie would go to see ben, even if he did finally believe ben – simply because ben is so evil.

    if it was hurley, sun or any of the others, i believe other people would show up to the funeral.

    i think the reason jack said he is tired of lying is because they can’t tell anyone about the island because it isn’t an island, per se, but a transient place where time is in a nexus.

  629. April says:

    i’m sorry in my last comment – I meant to say Jack wouldn’t go to see ben (not charlie)

  630. April says:

    [quote comment="62126"]
    i think the reason jack said he is tired of lying is because they can’t tell anyone about the island because it isn’t an island, per se, but a transient place where time is in a nexus.[/quote]

    this would help explain why Jack couldn’t simply hire someone to help him find the island and why he keeps flying in hopes of finding that ‘place’ once more

  631. April says:

    [quote comment="62112"]i don’t know if this has been brought up before or not, so don’t kill me on this (that means you mohard!)….The newspaper was dated April 7, 2007. On the way to the funeral parlor, jack was listening to Nirvana. April 7, 2007 is the 15 year anniversary of the death of Kurt Cobain so there’s your answer to if there was any significance to the song.[/quote]

    I believe Kurt Cobain died on April 5, 1994…

  632. Bobola says:

    OK!
    The casket does not have a person; it is the Polar Bear!

    Sorry; but why why why would Jack even show up for Michael’s funeral at all? ONLY to see if Kate would? Why not just call her like he ended up doing?
    Why is Jack losing control and going all pills and booze?

    Someone wrote Kate was now with Ben? Ha, that would be a great twist; is Ben really that good to manipulate her into a relationship?
    Wonder why Ben has a hold over the Others…they seem to fear him but give him looks like they would like to be rid of him. They seem to like the fact that Locke is not afraid or in awe of Ben.
    But in the end the biggest twist could be finding out that Ben really is a good guy HAVING to do bad to get good results; like in WWII the allies had to bomb cities and factories to win over the Nazis. Had to nuke the Japanese to get them to capitulate.

    So, is Ben now fighting a losing battle/war? He looks ever more desperate. Anyone hit that hard in the face will likely need some facial surgery! Seems unlikely that he would be walking around much for a while either; maybe the healing qualities of the island? He never seems to quite lose his smirk entirely. But he seemed to give up easily on his pleading with Jack about contacting the Rescue people…why? And Locke as well….that was just too odd the way he shot Para-Chica! But I predict she recovers AGAIN! Then Para-chica and Patchy go toe to toe with matial arts fighting. Biggest surprise; Patchy is really a good guy too and up is down! Me thinks there are bigger fish to fry someplace on the crazy island. Hopefully a better band than DriveShaft too.

    Yeah, seems clear that Kate and Jack are living back in civilization with the promise to stay quiet; or else Kate would not stay free. Is this why Jack is so angry? Cannot tell his story without risking Kate’s freedom?
    He misses being a Leader?

  633. Laura says:

    Tina, I like your theory about keeping up the appearance of the swan and stuff, although I’m not sure I agree that people off the island could have come up with Naomi’s cover story either. If they had invented her story, how would people off the island ever guess that Charlie and Desmond were in the same place. Sure she could have made up on the spot the part about everyone being dead, but how did she know there was a “rock star” with them. Who off of the island could have possibly known that Desmond the man on the solo trip around the world, and Charlie the man on oceanic flight 815 would be not only on the same island but living in the same camp.

  634. Pam says:

    I didn’t read all the comments yet so I don’t know if anyone said this yet or not, but in the “flashforwards” Jack mentioned his father to the Chief of Surgery and the pharmacist, but they didn’t discuss the fact that he died or anything related to a time line of “when” they were and his father’s death, and the plane crash. I think they are just sparing his feelings and sanity by avoiding the topic of his dad. If Jack is off around the world every weekend, drinking and constantly popping pills maybe the hospital is just sparing him by letting him “work” there and pretend to have a normal life. I think it’s probably that the hospital would pity Jack too much to fire him, but Jack is too stubborn to retire.

  635. NickG says:

    I thought it was a great episode, and have been reading comments since yesterday morning.

    Although it doesn’t matter much, I think the sing had more significance than it being the same date of Kurt Cobain’s death.

    The song is about a book where the character is an outcast, and I think it’s referring to the fact that Jack is now an outcast himself.

  636. Dawn says:

    [quote comment="61651"]I’m surprised that no one is thinking about whether this really could be a flashback. It still may be a flash-forward, but what if Jack and Kate WERE on the island before and they’ve been “conning” everyone? They decided to come back for some reason. They would have some hidden agenda for all the stuff we’ve seen in the past. A flashback makes Jack’s “I love you” comment to Kate have some additional context if something more happened between them in the past. Plus, it makes the thing with Jack’s dad being alive make sense, plus Jack’s currently grey beard, plus the fact that no one in the “flash-forward” thought that Kate, Jack or anyone was a survivor of the flight, which would certainly be more newsworthy than pulling a lady out of a car. It still may be a flash-forward, but a true “flashback” makes all of these inconsistencies make sense.[/quote]
    __________
    Well, as silly as this may sound, right up until the very (very, very) end, I thought it was a flash back. I am still not convinced they are off the island…or even that Charlie is dead. Call me an optimist. I believe that we have been watching (sitting in front of our TV’s, glued with our eyes wide open and hearts pounding out of our chests) this series for three years to have the wonderful experience of at least getting to see “our” peoples faces when and if they are actually rescued. It would be cruel and unusual punishment to steal away that moment from us viewers.
    Ass for my comment about Charlie…once Desmond realized it “wasn’t Penny’s boat’, I think he had a flash…and I am not sure what to believe from that point on. There would have been an air pocket where Charlie was and he could have easily swam through the window to outside. They made it down without scuba gear, why would they need it to float up? As for who’s funeral? If you figure that out, please let me know. I had dreams all night about that. I can’t stop theorizing on this show. The writers definately did their job and did it well. I think everyone is still on the island waiting to make the decision about whether to call the boat or not. And I think Kate is with Sawyer in that flash, but once a fugitive, always a fugitive! I hate how they made Jack out to be…it broke my heart for him. oy! And the thoughts go on and on!

  637. Tina says:

    [quote comment="62132"]Tina, I like your theory about keeping up the appearance of the swan and stuff, although I’m not sure I agree that people off the island could have come up with Naomi’s cover story either. If they had invented her story, how would people off the island ever guess that Charlie and Desmond were in the same place. Sure she could have made up on the spot the part about everyone being dead, but how did she know there was a “rock star” with them. Who off of the island could have possibly known that Desmond the man on the solo trip around the world, and Charlie the man on oceanic flight 815 would be not only on the same island but living in the same camp.[/quote]
    _________________

    I don’t think the cover up had anything to do with the connection between Des & Charlie. Charlie was a well known rock star in Britain, where NAomi’s from which would be how she knew about him. If the there some kind of story about the plane crash, the would know and likely publish the flight manifest with Charlie’s name on it.

    However, Charles Widmore has enough money and power to arrange for a team to look for Des to keep him away from Penny. He would also know about his solo mission around the world, it was his race that Des entered. Remember, she wasn’t looking for the castaways because in the offisland world, they were all dead. She was looking for Desmond, or so she said.

  638. Steven says:

    [quote comment="62114"]Could the woman in the hospital be Jacks ex wife and the boy Jacks son?[/quote]
    Later in the show when Jack is apparantly drunk. His pregnant exwife comes to see him because she is his emergency contact. So I don’t think that it is her unless time is messed up again.

  639. Petey says:

    Doesn’t appear anyone has commented on the size of the coffin @ the funeral home; take a good look – it’s too small to hold an adult…I’ve been to a child’s wake before and I immediately noticed this coffin was for a child…if correct, who is the (dead) child?

    Is it possible to think that, assuming all losties chose to be rescued, that someone’s baby or child died? Like Claire’s baby? Or the Japanese couple’s child? Perhaps Walt? There is certainly something amiss w/ pregnancy, child-bearing and children on (or off if related to losties from) this island…

    Somewhat related: did anyone notice that Walt’s voice (when appearing vision-like by Locke’s “grave” when shot in the abdoment, etc.) sounded, to me, a lot like Jacob’s voice when Jacob spoke the words, “Help me” that Locke heard when Ben took him to Jacob’s hut?

    Maybe it it Walt (Jacob) in the casket…

  640. Laura says:

    Sorry I guess my point is that I think Naomi is telling the truth. I think from her perspective she was hired by Penny to find Desmond. I’m not saying this is what actually happened, and the true reason why the ship is there, but I think this is what Naomi thought. I think you’re right in saying it could be Mr. Widmore who hired the search.

  641. Steven says:

    [quote comment="62140"]Doesn’t appear anyone has commented on the size of the coffin @ the funeral home; take a good look – it’s too small to hold an adult…I’ve been to a child’s wake before and I immediately noticed this coffin was for a child…if correct, who is the (dead) child?

    Is it possible to think that, assuming all losties chose to be rescued, that someone’s baby or child died? Like Claire’s baby? Or the Japanese couple’s child? Perhaps Walt? There is certainly something amiss w/ pregnancy, child-bearing and children on (or off if related to losties from) this island…

    Somewhat related: did anyone notice that Walt’s voice (when appearing vision-like by Locke’s “grave” when shot in the abdoment, etc.) sounded, to me, a lot like Jacob’s voice when Jacob spoke the words, “Help me” that Locke heard when Ben took him to Jacob’s hut?

    Maybe it it Walt (Jacob) in the casket…[/quote]
    According to the obituary that Jack was holding the person that died was named John Latham and he committed suicide. He has never been introduced on the show but, he was an artist that focused on the theories of time and life. He believed that there were creases in time where it stood still and one of his pieces showed pictures of a mountainous island and a Glass Jar. He did alot with the illusion of glass (looking glass) and tied that into time. Just a theory but I think a lot of what he talked about will come out later. You can do a google search on him an find out a lot more. He was pretty old when he died so he may have been a frail little guy. That would explain the size of the casket. Not to mention if no one came to the funeral there was probably not a lot of $ spent on a large elaborate casket.

  642. Steven says:

    [quote comment="62141"]Sorry I guess my point is that I think Naomi is telling the truth. I think from her perspective she was hired by Penny to find Desmond. I’m not saying this is what actually happened, and the true reason why the ship is there, but I think this is what Naomi thought. I think you’re right in saying it could be Mr. Widmore who hired the search.[/quote]
    I wonder if we are missing the fact that they keep calling the ship a “freighter”. If you were sending a large search party you certianly would not send a freighter. Maybe Penny just coordinated it for Naomi to “catch a ride” with the ship to get close enough to the island. For some reason I don’t think that the ship is full of people on a search for Dez or the losties.

  643. Bobola says:

    It was so interesting that the last episode had both Locke and Jack about to commit suicide…and both stopped.

    What does Jacob have to do with; Walt, Smokey, and the Polar Bear?
    The 4 toed statue is an animal not a human.

    I was thinking that the diamond stealing couple were going to rise again but I guess not? Too bad; that bad girl might be a good mate for Ben…they deserve each other.

    And if they more people rise from the dead… would Ekko aslo pop up again. It’s almost a little like 28 Days Later.
    Maybe the Slave Ship had practicioners of VooDoo and this is going to turn out to be a Zombie story?

  644. Hurley's Dad says:

    [quote comment="62083"]if you look at the obituary, it clearly states that the person is a MAN, so its not Juliette or her sister and the woman who crashed on the bridge is probably not Juliettes sister and definatly not Claire and Aaron.

    As far as the man in the casket goes, i dont think we will find out who he is until the end of season 4, Im pretty sure its someone we havent met yet, i dont think its any of the obvious people everyone keeps mentioning, well see though.

    Charlie had to die, and he accepted that. Just like when Sayid said he would give his life if it meant getting everyone off the island, charlie did the same thing. He knew it was comming, thats why he wrote his greatest hits.

    One of the comments suggested replacing walt with a look-a-like. Do you know how much crap the producers are gonna get if they do that? In a show like this i think its almost impossible to cast a look a like for a child as important as Walt is. I know that Walt looks and talks differently, but i got just as excited when i seen him in this finale as i did when i seen him in last seasons finale. Its Walt…no matter how much bigger he gets or whatever, hes still Walt. I dont think the producers thought he would grow 5 inches in one year so they had to cast him out, but when he appears on the island again he should always be the same Walt[/quote]
    AMEN! This is by far the most coherant, well-thought out, taking everything into account with a logical, realistic approach comment on of the 600+ so far. WELL DONE!

  645. Hurley's Dad says:

    [quote comment="62145"]And if they more people rise from the dead… would Ekko aslo pop up again. It’s almost a little like 28 Days Later.
    Maybe the Slave Ship had practicioners of VooDoo and this is going to turn out to be a Zombie story?[/quote]
    Ummm…no one has risen from the dead.

  646. Hurley's Dad says:

    [quote comment="62074"]One other problem with that is that Kate says “why would I go to HIS funeral” also the obituary says a man.[/quote]
    Ummm…no. She says “the funeral”.

  647. Hurley's Dad says:

    This one bothers me, so PLEASE read this one and remember it because I’ve listened to it 4 times now and I do think it’s important.

    The funeral director says “Friend or family?”

    At the 43:12 mark of the episode, Jack says “Either”.

    He does NOT say “Neither”.

    Jack considers himself both a friend and a family member of the deceased.

  648. Steven says:

    [quote comment="62149"][quote comment="62074"]One other problem with that is that Kate says “why would I go to HIS funeral” also the obituary says a man.[/quote]
    Ummm…no. She says “the funeral”.[/quote]
    Sorry I mis quoted. :) But the obituary definatly says a man.

  649. Hurley's Dad says:

    Does Jack really believe his father is alive?

    Transcript:
    Jack – Here it is, here…Oxycodone
    Pharm. – Dr. Shepard, you can’t write a prescription for yourself.
    J – That’s not me, that’s Dr. Christian Shepard, I’m Dr. Jack Shepard…he’s my father
    P – I’m going to have to call your father’s office to confirm this
    J – He’s out of town right now
    P – Well I’m sure sombody in the office (Jack slams his fist)
    J – Don’t bother

    My interpretation. Jack’s father is dead and he tried to write a prescription for himself, signing it Christian Shepard.

    ———–

    Transcript:
    Jack – I tell you what, you do this …you get my father down here…get him down here right now, and if I’m drunker than he is, you can fire me.
    Dr. Hammil – (shake head)
    Jack – Don’t you look at me like that…don’t you pity me.

    My interpretation. Metaphorically, Jack says “down here” meaning “from heaven”. Jack’s Dad lost his license before flight 815, he wouldn’t have a place to work/be in the hospital, even if he was alive.

    My overall interpretation of the flashforward is that the writers did a good job of giving us the perception of them talking about a live person, while allowing for the wiggle room to adequately explain Jack’s Dad still being dead. The head shake by Dr. Hammil looked to me like he was speechless..there was no response to the “get my father down here” comment.

  650. Lost gal 76 says:

    [quote comment="62150"]This one bothers me, so PLEASE read this one and remember it because I’ve listened to it 4 times now and I do think it’s important.

    The funeral director says “Friend or family?”

    At the 43:12 mark of the episode, Jack says “Either”.

    He does NOT say “Neither”.

    Jack considers himself both a friend and a family member of the deceased.[/quote] I just check closed caption and he said NEITHER not EITHER.

  651. Lost gal 76 says:

    [quote comment="62153"]Does Jack really believe his father is alive?

    Transcript:
    Jack – Here it is, here…Oxycodone
    Pharm. – Dr. Shepard, you can’t write a prescription for yourself.
    J – That’s not me, that’s Dr. Christian Shepard, I’m Dr. Jack Shepard…he’s my father
    P – I’m going to have to call your father’s office to confirm this
    J – He’s out of town right now
    P – Well I’m sure sombody in the office (Jack slams his fist)
    J – Don’t bother

    My interpretation. Jack’s father is dead and he tried to write a prescription for himself, signing it Christian Shepard.

    ———–

    Transcript:
    Jack – I tell you what, you do this …you get my father down here…get him down here right now, and if I’m drunker than he is, you can fire me.
    Dr. Hammil – (shake head)
    Jack – Don’t you look at me like that…don’t you pity me.

    My interpretation. Metaphorically, Jack says “down here” meaning “from heaven”. Jack’s Dad lost his license before flight 815, he wouldn’t have a place to work/be in the hospital, even if he was alive.

    My overall interpretation of the flashforward is that the writers did a good job of giving us the perception of them talking about a live person, while allowing for the wiggle room to adequately explain Jack’s Dad still being dead. The head shake by Dr. Hammil looked to me like he was speechless..there was no response to the “get my father down here” comment.[/quote] I totally agree for the same reasons.

  652. Steven says:

    [quote comment="62155"][quote comment="62150"]This one bothers me, so PLEASE read this one and remember it because I’ve listened to it 4 times now and I do think it’s important.

    The funeral director says “Friend or family?”

    At the 43:12 mark of the episode, Jack says “Either”.

    He does NOT say “Neither”.

    Jack considers himself both a friend and a family member of the deceased.[/quote] I just check closed caption and he said NEITHER not EITHER.[/quote]
    Thank you for clarifying that I was looking all over for the transcript!!!!

  653. Hurley's Dad says:

    [quote comment="62155"][quote comment="62150"]This one bothers me, so PLEASE read this one and remember it because I’ve listened to it 4 times now and I do think it’s important.

    The funeral director says “Friend or family?”

    At the 43:12 mark of the episode, Jack says “Either”.

    He does NOT say “Neither”.

    Jack considers himself both a friend and a family member of the deceased.[/quote] I just check closed caption and he said NEITHER not EITHER.[/quote]
    ——-
    Listen to it at http://www.abc.com. Closed captioning is VERY often incorrect.

  654. D. says:

    [quote comment="62150"]This one bothers me, so PLEASE read this one and remember it because I’ve listened to it 4 times now and I do think it’s important.

    The funeral director says “Friend or family?”

    At the 43:12 mark of the episode, Jack says “Either”.

    He does NOT say “Neither”.

    Jack considers himself both a friend and a family member of the deceased.[/quote]
    ____
    Thank you! My sister said he replied “neither” and I said he replied “either”. I am glad to know I am not alone.

  655. Diane says:

    Am I crazy or in the opening scene when Jack is drinking on the airplane is that Jin in the seat behind him?

  656. Anthony says:

    [quote comment="61429"]ok…so sad charlie died….why couldn’t he lock himself in the same room as desmond? he HAD to be in the room that was flooding? how is it that penny was immediately on the tv AS SOON AS the signal was unblocked? and what about that team of hers in the north? ahh….poor poor charlie….i’m not gonna lie…i shed a tear for him :( i’m wondering if locke is now having the future visions instead of desmond, since desmond told charlie that he didn’t see anything anymore. [/quote]
    Nah, I think that was just to throw us as the viewers off. We were lead to believe that Desmond saw no more visions of Charlie dying, meaning that he would be safe for the time being. But really, allt hose events lead up to that same vision he had before, so it’s like everything was playing out for it to happen. I’m so pissed. He didn’t have to die. The whole time I was sitting there thinking too, how they should make sure Mikhail was dead rather than just leaving him there with the dart inside of him. I knew he wasn’t dead, they should’ve made SURE. That pisses me off so fucking bad. Charlie didn’t have to die.

    Oh and btw, to all; Michael’s actor was proposed an offer to come back during the season Finale but I heard he turned it down.

  657. Anthony says:

    [quote comment="62132"]Tina, I like your theory about keeping up the appearance of the swan and stuff, although I’m not sure I agree that people off the island could have come up with Naomi’s cover story either. If they had invented her story, how would people off the island ever guess that Charlie and Desmond were in the same place. Sure she could have made up on the spot the part about everyone being dead, but how did she know there was a “rock star” with them. Who off of the island could have possibly known that Desmond the man on the solo trip around the world, and Charlie the man on oceanic flight 815 would be not only on the same island but living in the same camp.[/quote]
    She knew there was a rock star with them because Charlie told her that he was a member of DriveShaft during “Greatest Hits”. She then said “Oh, you’re the dead rockstar!” because back in the real world, there was a funeral service and a ‘greatest hits’ type of record released from the band.

    Oh, and by the way, Charlie did not have to die to fulfill Desmond’s vision. Remember he thought the SAME thing about finding that parachute girl and the picture of he and Penny and so forth. He saved Charlie from the arrow and everything STILL played out as it was. So Charlie did not have to die for them to get on the rescue plain. If Charlie perhaps thought that, it was a dreadful mistake. It was not necessary.

  658. Laura says:

    I was confused by the neither/either thing as well. I thought he said neither, but if so, it would be strange for the funeral director to then offer to open up the coffin.

  659. juliettecat says:

    [quote comment="61736"]Hey All, great post-show commentary, a couple of cool things I’ve found this morning to consider:

    *The name of the funeral home “Hoffs Drawlar” is an anagram for “Flash Forward”

    *The main article of the newspaper Jack had on the flight was from an actual LA Times dated 04/05/2007; http://www.losteastereggs.blogspot.com/%5B/quote%5D

    thank you for the site! interesting photos…especially the close-up of Ben’s journal. is that the journal lying next to the coffin at the funeral?

  660. Brian says:

    Jacob was often referred to in the bible as a man who “dwelled in tents”. His name was later changed to Israel, which was the promised land. In Lost it is as if the island is the promised land, or Israel, and therefore Jacob represents the essence of the island.

  661. Laura says:

    [quote comment="62065"][quote comment="62044"]
    The second interesting bit is the part about the supplies running out do to the missing supply drop. I wonder if this is the result of the hatches being blown up. If, for the sake of argument, Dharma central did not know about the purge on the island and continued to make supply drops on the island to maintain the people they assumed were still working there, then the implosion of both the Swan and Flame stations could have disrupted whatever communication the islanders had with the offislanders. If the Others maintained the appearance of Dharma operations for X amount of time, it makes sense that they would fear the appearance of any additional people on the island, assuming that they could be Dharma operatives coming to check things out. I bet Ben was the only one sending transmissions to Dharma central, since they know he is a member of the team with the exception of perhaps Mikhail and the girls in the LG. Naomi is likel a DHarma operative sent to figure out what the heck happened on the island when Dharma central’s controls started freaking out post explosion. Her cover story was that she was sent by Penny, the daughter of a prominent business mogul and likely Dharma supporter and financer. IT would be an easy cover story to make up and one that the survivors on the island might believe, especially if Widmore exiled Desmond to island intentionally/orchestrated his shipwreck somehow.

    THe R likely refers to Richard Alpert and the H or M, not sure about those. The J is most definitely Jacob.
    [/quote]
    I can totally buy this theory, Tina.

    Furthermore, perhaps Naomi was sincere in that she believed the Losties would all be rescued. Perhaps Dharma doesn’t want any “outsiders” on this island, so it would be part of her mission to make sure those people are taken off of the island. And then part of the agreement between Dharma and the Losties, in exchange for rescue, they must never tell anyone about the island, hence Jack’s statement to Kate “I’m tired of lying”.

    Another possibility is that she is not privvy to all of the reasons behind her trip to the island. Perhaps she was told she’s just trying to rescue Desmond. Being that she’s rescuing one person, it makes sense to her that she can rescue everyone else and become a big hero.

    Also, regarding Ben’s diary, the (M), if that’s what it is, would be Mikhail.[/quote]
    ———————————————–

    I’ve beent thinking about this theory all day and I love it. I was thinking that, as has been said before Juliet, and I assume most of the other others arrived on the island through the looking glass, but were drugged into believing they came by submarine. This would then mean that when the sub was blown up the others would think they were stuck on the island while in actuality they were not. It is because of this Ben told everyone that the looking glass was flooded, even though he had sent Bonnie and Greta there. When Ben realizes that the real Dharmas are looking for thet island he uses Bonnie and Greta to block all signals in and out so that Dharma cannot find the island.

    This would also explain why the others had to leave the Barracks because this is Dharma property and are moving to the “temple” which is probably “native” territory, where the others would return.

    Also, Kelvin/Des refer to the others as the hostiles, implying that they have some knowledge of their violent nature and indeed may have been left behind. I was thinking maybe this was the reason for the “invisible” map, it was drawing from memory of the rest of the island because the documentation was in the other hatches which were now hostile inhabited.

  662. juliettecat says:

    regarding Kate’s makeup.

    I think that Kate wearing makeup is a hint that she has integrated into society, however her clothing was very much like that we have seen her wear on the island. This tells me that she is adapting to her current conditions and holding on to something from the island.

    The Volvo?? my theory is that she has delivered a child. this thought coming from the whole soccer mom theory.

  663. kloz says:

    I gotta say, it is really not clear whether Jack replies, “Either.” or “Neither.” to the funeral director’s question. I’ve got the scene right in front of me. And it’s true, CC isn’t always correct.
    But seriously, why would he respond “Either.”? Grammatically, it’s awkward. Wouldn’t he just say, “Both.”?

  664. minnza says:

    [quote comment="62067"][quote comment="62020"]THAT.
    SHOW.
    RULED!

    Here are a few thoughts… not sure if they have been poted before – I couldn’t get through all 569 posts!!

    NOOO! Julliet’s sister and nephew died in the car crash on the bridge – that is why there is nobody at the funeral…. which is Julliet’s!

    That is why Jack is so cut up by the obituary it and why Kate said “Why would I go to the funeral?” (or something similar).

    Also…
    I don’t think it is Locke in the casket as he would have wanted to stay on the island and I don’t think it is Sawyer as I doubt Jack would have been as upset as he was.

    What do you think?[/quote]
    thats a good shout about it being juliets siste and nephew! but one findamental flaw is that we see that the woman and child both make it out alive![/quote]

    oh yeah… ok, they weren’t killed, but unable to attend the funeral!

  665. minnza says:

    [quote comment="62074"][quote comment="62067"][quote comment="62020"]THAT.
    SHOW.
    RULED!

    Here are a few thoughts… not sure if they have been poted before – I couldn’t get through all 569 posts!!

    NOOO! Julliet’s sister and nephew died in the car crash on the bridge – that is why there is nobody at the funeral…. which is Julliet’s!

    That is why Jack is so cut up by the obituary it and why Kate said “Why would I go to the funeral?” (or something similar).

    Also…
    I don’t think it is Locke in the casket as he would have wanted to stay on the island and I don’t think it is Sawyer as I doubt Jack would have been as upset as he was.

    What do you think?[/quote]
    thats a good shout about it being juliets siste and nephew! but one findamental flaw is that we see that the woman and child both make it out alive![/quote]
    One other problem with that is that Kate says “why would I go to HIS funeral” also the obituary says a man.[/quote]

    Haha – ok…. I stand corrected!

  666. minnza says:

    Actually – i just checked… she didn’t say HIS funeral, she said ‘THE funeral’.

    … and where does the obituary say it is a men?

    i couldnt make that out?

  667. Hurley's Dad says:

    I did a CRL-F on “book” and couldn’t find this anywhere yet, so thought I’d through it out there.

    Thoughts on what it is and why it’s there?

    There is a book laying next to the casket.

  668. Lost gal 76 says:

    [quote comment="62186"]Actually – i just checked… she didn’t say HIS funeral, she said ‘THE funeral’.

    … and where does the obituary say it is a men?

    i couldnt make that out?[/quote]
    The title of the article/obit says…. man found

  669. Lost gal 76 says:

    [quote comment="62191"]I did a CRL-F on “book” and couldn’t find this anywhere yet, so thought I’d through it out there.

    Thoughts on what it is and why it’s there?

    There is a book laying next to the casket.[/quote] If it was not lost my first two guesses would be the bible or the book that the mourners sign. But since this is lost it could be anything..LOL

  670. Lost gal 76 says:

    [quote comment="62161"]Am I crazy or in the opening scene when Jack is drinking on the airplane is that Jin in the seat behind him?[/quote]
    I thought that the first time I watched it but on re-watching it I think it was just another asian couple.

  671. nicunurse says:

    I really like Brian’s thought about Jacob and Ben being a leader of a new tribe in the promised land….did anyone read the interview with Michael Emerson…? I think this helps decide that Naomi is not “looking for Desmond” or if she is, it is not for a good reason. BTW, I really think Laura and Tina are right about the Dharma vs. Ben theory…Were the Dharma people doing evil? And how come there is no more mention of that 4 toed statue? Is that the connection to another world, the “aliens” that Juliet jokingly referred to?

  672. Hurley's Dad says:

    New thought (I think). At the end, when Kate says “I have to go, he’s going to be wondering where I am.”

    Could it be her and Sawyer’s son?

  673. josh k says:

    anyone see “PH5″on the ground when jack is standing on the bridge ready to jump? initial googling brings up asteroid classification, science vs man stuff, and prooving the existence of god…..

  674. Hey Mason says:

    did anyone else notice the funeral home was called “hoffs-drawler”… re-arrange those letters and you get “FLASH FORWARD”

  675. steve the king says:

    [quote comment="62208"]did anyone else notice the funeral home was called “hoffs-drawler”… re-arrange those letters and you get “FLASH FORWARD”[/quote]

    If that is the case there may be more of that that goes unnoticed. I definately didn’t spot that.

  676. Hey Mason says:

    and i meant “hoffs drawlar” (i spelled it wrong in the other post)

  677. campinggirl26 says:

    I think the island ages you – a few people have mentioned the gray hairs in Jack’s ‘beard’ when he was on the island, and not so in the ‘flash forward’ (of course that could be dyed too)

    When Juliette was being pursued to come to the island they showed her ultrasound photos of a 24 year old who Juliette has surmised was in her 70’s (before she knew the actual age)

    This could also explain Walt’s aging – of course it does not explain Ben assistant’s lack of aging.

    IMHO

  678. campinggirl26 says:

    [quote comment="61504"][quote comment="61490"]
    It not unbelievable that a musician could do that on the first try. I have a friend that can name any ten notes you want to play at the same on a piano. And he doesn’t even have perfect pitch. Charlie at least had pitch memory of the tune (or has perfect pitch) and realized that the numbers on the pad corresponded to the scale the song is based on.[/quote]
    But he had never heard the sounds that each key on that particular keypad made, and there were about 20 keys. I still find it very difficult to believe he could do it on his first try. Maybe after listening to the sounds each key makes he could do it, but without hearing their sounds? I doubt it.[/quote]

    But he knew it started with a 5 – based on what the woman said. someone with an ear for this could figure that out easily knowing it’s starting point.

  679. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="62216"][quote comment="61504"][quote comment="61490"]
    It not unbelievable that a musician could do that on the first try. I have a friend that can name any ten notes you want to play at the same on a piano. And he doesn’t even have perfect pitch. Charlie at least had pitch memory of the tune (or has perfect pitch) and realized that the numbers on the pad corresponded to the scale the song is based on.[/quote]
    But he had never heard the sounds that each key on that particular keypad made, and there were about 20 keys. I still find it very difficult to believe he could do it on his first try. Maybe after listening to the sounds each key makes he could do it, but without hearing their sounds? I doubt it.[/quote]

    But he knew it started with a 5 – based on what the woman said. someone with an ear for this could figure that out easily knowing it’s starting point.[/quote]
    I can’t believe people are still trying to justify this! It is so unbelievable on so many levels. How is it possible that he knows the notes for each key on the keypad, without ever hearing the keys before? Also, Good Vibrations doesn’t have just one melody to it – there are many different possible sequences of notes that could apply. Yet Charlie happened to pick the exact correct starting point in the song?!

    It’s not a major plot pont to me – I’m more than willing to go along with it. But for people here to claim that it’s perfectly believable for it to happen exactly as it happened….I find that almost more unbelievable!

  680. DaxDiamond says:

    The name in the obit is John Lantham or John Latham. According to some sources, both spellings appear in the obit. Check out the Wikipedia entry for John Latham, the artist who died last year. Esp the part about his description of Flat Time.

  681. stretchlimo says:

    If it was a kid in the casket, why would no one attend? And by the way, the casket looks normal size.

    I think they had Jack mention his father twice in the flashforward to make us believe it was just another flashback while we were watching the episode.

    I don’t think this show has anything to do with time travel and the likes. Everything will play out.

  682. Kevo says:

    Toeknee, u dont find belivable that charle is a music master, maybe it was destiny.
    But u have to remeber that in LOST there are smoke mosnters and stuff that are more unbelivable than that. so just dont burn your brain thinking on something usless like that.

  683. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="62231"]Toeknee, u dont find belivable that charle is a music master, maybe it was destiny.
    But u have to remeber that in LOST there are smoke mosnters and stuff that are more unbelivable than that. so just dont burn your brain thinking on something usless like that.[/quote]
    LOL don’t worry, I really am not obsessing over this. I just posted an offhanded observation about that scene afer watching the show, and then a bunch of people have written in response to say they found it totally believable. Difference of opinion, I guess. But like I said in comment #680, I’m willing to go along with it. Just like many of the other unbelievable things on Lost, it’s part of what makes the story so enjoyable.

  684. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="62122"]
    -Someone in the flashforwards referred to Jack being a hero “again” or “twice.”
    [/quote]

    [quote comment="62126"]
    in the flashforwards – jack was always being reconized as the hero – i don’t think that refers to the car crash on the bridge – i think it refers to the rescue of flight 815.
    [/quote]
    _______________
    When Jack met the new chief surgeon, the new guy called Jack “a hero, twice over.”

    First time watching the episode I thought it was a reference to there being two people in the car that Jack saved.

    But now I wonder if the new Dr. was referring to the rescue of flight 815, like April said, as his first turn at being a hero, and the car crash rescue as the second.

  685. lost chicka says:

    haven’t read past #650 so sorry if it’s already been said. a couple of points tho:

    1) the losties, or at least jack, are meant to be on the island. they might get off the island but since history (or whatever) has a way of course correcting (as that old jewelry store lady told desmond) they will all end up on a plane again together & re-crash on the island. no matter how many times they try to get off the island, they’ll always end back on it. that’s why desmond saved charlie so many different ways – cause no matter what desmond did charlie was gonna die & time would recorrect it over & over again.

    2)i think that the people in the hatches were left to do that work so they could keep up their appearance of still working for dharma. that would be why desmond & kelvin were there. and i think that ben & friends would learn about desmond by watching him in the hatch & looking up information on him.

    3) the casket is for vincent! ;D that’s why it was so small & why nobody showed up. who would go to a funeral for a dog? and vincent is jacob. lol…..no i give up. i’ll wait to find out who’s in the casket. it’s not walt tho cuz michael would be there. as desperate as he was to get his kid back he would be there balling & banging on the coffin.

    4) i think ben & locke have a lot in common. both seem very twisted as they almost always are only helping themselves and don’t give a rat’s ass as to what happens to other people.

    5)i luved it when bonnie & greta were talking to ben & charlie says “tell him i say hi”! charlie was awesome. singing just for the sake of annoying the blonde chick, all his smart comments (invisible submarine). but what was the blond’s problem? being stuck with the other girl for x years/months?

    a couple of questions too:

    1)why would jack say i love you if he thinks sawyer & kate are together? just to let kate know if she ever gets sick of sawyer he’s waiting?

    2)why does ben want the losties on the island so badly? just for test rats? there has to be something more than that.

  686. lost chicka says:

    1) i don’t think the finale had an amazing cliff hanger, more like they left us with so much to think about. who’s in the casket? who’s mrs. arland the woman who jack saved? is christian alive? on & on & on!

    2) look at the asian people on the plane. they look NOTHING like sun or jin. NOTHING like them! totally different people.

    3) was giving the natives a name like the hostiles a dharma experiment? painting them out to be the bad guys when in actuality they are the good guys. the dharma people seem to be very twisted & maybe they deserved getting killed off. especially if they were doing experiments on children (horace goodspeed was just to wierd when he was around ben. he seemed to be more interested in ben then roger. and i doubt it was accident that he showed up at ben’s birth.).

    4) i think everybody is reading to far into the way walt looked. it’s been over a year since we last saw him so of course he’s changed. you can’t stop him from growing normally. they tried to make him look the same with the camera shots.

    5) charlie & the keypad: hasn’t anybody heard of editing before? i agree it kinda happened to easily & that maybe he had created the password earlier in a different life/alternate reality/whatever but they only have so much time on the tv. they can’t put 12 different tries of him trying to break the code, so they just put the time where he got it right. but i do think it’s sort of a stupid thing to worry about, sorry just what i think.

  687. SilverShadow says:

    After a bit of research I came to the conclusion that Locke is the one inside that that coffin. A more accurate study of the newspaper note shows us the name of Jeremy Bentham which Wikipedia tells us was a “was an English jurist, philosopher, and legal and social reformer” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Bentham

    Now if you take a look at the right side of that page, at “Influences” we have the surprise to find the name of John Locke (who seems to be an english philosopher aswell). Coincidence?

    My bet is the John Locke we know took another pseudonim after he left the island and tried to start anew.

    Another strange thing… if you rearange the letters in Hoffs/Drawlar you get Flash Forward ;)

    Coincidence?

  688. dkmp says:

    what is the golden pass? a prize for a reality tv show/experiment?

  689. SilverShadow says:

    [quote comment="62281"]what is the golden pass? a prize for a reality tv show/experiment?[/quote]
    Golden passes have to be some form of reward from Oceanic for the things that happened to the losties. Something like free tickets to use with the flight agency. (and Jack said he flies alot in hope to crash again) So it’s clear that happends after they got rescued.

  690. lostie says:

    [quote comment="62242"]1) i don’t think the finale had an amazing cliff hanger, more like they left us with so much to think about. who’s in the casket? who’s mrs. arland the woman who jack saved? is christian alive? on & on & on!

    2) look at the asian people on the plane. they look NOTHING like sun or jin. NOTHING like them! totally different people.

    3) was giving the natives a name like the hostiles a dharma experiment? painting them out to be the bad guys when in actuality they are the good guys. the dharma people seem to be very twisted & maybe they deserved getting killed off. especially if they were doing experiments on children (horace goodspeed was just to wierd when he was around ben. he seemed to be more interested in ben then roger. and i doubt it was accident that he showed up at ben’s birth.).

    4) i think everybody is reading to far into the way walt looked. it’s been over a year since we last saw him so of course he’s changed. you can’t stop him from growing normally. they tried to make him look the same with the camera shots.

    5) charlie & the keypad: hasn’t anybody heard of editing before? i agree it kinda happened to easily & that maybe he had created the password earlier in a different life/alternate reality/whatever but they only have so much time on the tv. they can’t put 12 different tries of him trying to break the code, so they just put the time where he got it right. but i do think it’s sort of a stupid thing to worry about, sorry just what i think.[/quote]

    i agree completely! i think people are getting caught up on nit-picky details that i just don’t believe have much to do with the real plot. i definitely do NOT think that there is much of a time continuum issue. i do think that the island offers some sort of “fountain of youth” type of healing but not because of any sort of time travel/reliving the past.

    i also think that horace and ben must’ve had some sort of relationship- Ben closed Horace’s eyes when he some him on the bench and seemed to be saddened by his loss but did not want to bury his dad- he said to just leave him where he was.

  691. punk lunchbox says:

    Days and Days of reading! Great ideas here!

    What if –
    Next season begins in the “flash forward time” where somehow, some (most? ALL?) of our losties have been rescued off the island. We’ve already seen Jack and Kate.
    “Flashbacks” are then back to what we know as island time, and we slowly learn about what happened next – the rescue, the deals (Kate is pardoned, the golden ticket) in exchange for an agreement of silence about what they experienced on the island.
    In the flashbacks we learn a little bit more about the island mythology but a lot is left unanswered – this is what becomes the ultimate motivation for Jack and others to want to go back. Maybe some key people (Juliet) are left behind. Jack will want to rescue them.
    In “Forward time” we learn about how our losties are adapting to real life, and in many cases their screwed up lives won’t be much better than they were before the crash – maybe many of them will want to help Jack go back. Maybe both Michael and Walt are there already, having agreed to the same code of silence.
    Hurley will probably be instrumental in financing the search for a way back to the island. Final showdown will be the “return of the losties” (ROTL !!!)
    Ben will turn out not to be either evil or good, but someone who is trying to keep the mysteries of the island from being corrupted and used by forces like the Widmore/Hanso people. Like Michael trying to save Walt, he’s just trying to protect what’s his – what’s special. The island and all its properties, powers, time/space/electromagnetic forces, will be revealed eventually at some point and we will understand where Ben is coming from.

    Well this is all, of course, IMHO
    Anyone’s thoughts?

  692. punk lunchbox says:

    Sorry, but here’s a follow up to my previous post–
    What if, the way that Jack finds to go back to the island, to make everyting right, to fix things, is to somehow travel back in time? When he does, he wakes up in the jungle, just after the plane crash!? Then he has to do everyting the same until the one big decision comes up that he has to do differently (we don’t know what yet) so that the outcome is better.
    My brain is now totally warped.

  693. Pam says:

    [quote comment="62242"]5) charlie & the keypad: hasn’t anybody heard of editing before? i agree it kinda happened to easily & that maybe he had created the password earlier in a different life/alternate reality/whatever but they only have so much time on the tv. they can’t put 12 different tries of him trying to break the code, so they just put the time where he got it right. but i do think it’s sort of a stupid thing to worry about, sorry just what i think.[/quote]
    I think because Charlie is a musician when he finds out that other people’s lives depend on him playing a song he takes it as another sign that he must sacrifice himself. Plus he knew the first few notes were fours and fives so he could figure it out from there; plenty of good musician could do that, it just depends on the viewers to believe Charlie could do it. And don’t you think that Ben would set it up so that if anyone messed up the code a couple of times the station would automatically flood or something?

  694. Pam says:

    [quote comment="61395"]c) i hate jack! he says i luv u to kate right after he sucks the life outa juliet! what a cheater![/quote]
    I think Jack realizes he can’t love Kate like he wants so he just cares for her the most he can and take care of her. Maybe it’s because I’m a woman, but I think it’s sweet Jack openingly cares for Kate without romantic attachment. Plus Jack thinks he has possibility with Juliet and Kate has Sawyer, so no one is alone.

  695. Bobola says:

    Ok, Now I’ve figured it out;
    The Rescue Ship is really just the Dharma people coming back to clean house!
    They knew something was wrong for a while but have had a hard time getting back onto the Island; they need either guidance or to be let in by someone on the Island.

    This is to say that they might be the Bad guys still and Ben actually might be trying to do good but cannot prove to the Others that he is sincere. Accounts for his self righteousness.

    I wish people would stop calling Charlie a musician. Strumming a guitar and singing badly does not make a musician even with airplay. If I drive my car fast it does not make me a race car driver. If I put on a band-aide, I’m not a Doctor…with Charlies keypad skills he is probably best at video games.

    This show could use a little more romance! One piddly sex scene with Sawyer and Kate…how about some forbidden love? Sayid and Juliet! Albert and Sun! Sun and Claire!

  696. IDidn'tBelieveHim says:

    Is there anyone out there who doesn’t trust Juliet? I think she may have sabatoged the dynomite so Jin would “miss” leaving an opprotunity for Tom and Others to have a stand at the beach. This may also explain the ease of “surrender” for Tom once he saw Juliet.

    It is, at this time, clear to me about the button pushing so lng ago. The others had to push the button so Dharam WOULDN’T show up… thinking all was at it should be. When Locke communicated on the computer it sent alerts to Dharma… thus we have Naomi.

    More ideas to come.

  697. megalost says:

    [quote comment="61753"]The woman in the car crash that jack saved was Juliette’s sister. And I bet it was Juliette who was in the coffin. Why was no one at the funeral? Because her sister was in the hospital! She was probably on her way TO the funeral. This would also explain Jacks devoted interested in saving her. Now why do you suppose Juliette is dead – probably murdered as part of some conspiracy.[/quote]

    xlnt theory!

  698. megalost says:

    [quote comment="61600"]

    Charlie was resigned to dying. He is dead. By volunteering for this mission, he realized he would most likely die. Desmond specifically said “This time you have to die”, and Claire and Aaron would be rescued. Charlie sacrificed himself to fulfill Desmond’s vision of Claire and Aaron being rescued.

    Even at the end when he apparently had a chance to save himself (by using the SCUBA gear and swimming back to the island), HE INTENTIONALLY CLOSED THE DOOR TO THAT ROOM, so he would drown and so Desmond couldn’ try to save him. He didn’t want to screw around with Desmond’s vision because he didn’t want to take the chance that Claire and Aaron wouldn’t be rescued.[/quote]

    very well said about the charlie dying part. i couldn’t agree more. ppl keep questioning it & offering possoibilities of how he could have escaped. he didn’t even try! i still think it is possible but unlikely that he isn’t really dead. we may not have seen the last of him. on lost every1 has like 9 lives. u never know. we don’t even know what’s real what’s an illusion, what’s past, present, future or a vision? i have s1 & s2 dvd’s. i look 4ward 2 rewatching them & s3 when it comes out. u guys rock. ur insights & things u pickup on amaze me. i sometimes watch an ep. 3x & STILL dunno what’s going on. iv already spent like 4 hrs. reading the comments & im nowhere near done. this is going to be a blast discussing & theorizing w/ all of u until s4 begins.

    a few question:
    Mihael-everyone is saying he can’t die. I never really understood the episode where they found him initially & Russeau split…..still a mystery (shocking) what was he up 2 in that barn or whatever the heck that place was.

    s1 when that psychic told Claire how her child was spcl & she HAD 2 be on the flight…and when charlie dies the baby cries! coincidence? i think not…there are 2 many coincidences on lost 4 them 2 really be coincidences. sorry if i’m rambling, i’m excited 2 be contributing.

    i will finish all the comments & continue 2 check where i leave off. i don’t want 2 miss anything. u all rock!

    matt fox gave a brillint performance i have to applaud that.

    Question, who is annie? she has been referred 2 alot & i can’t remember her.

    why did locke kill naomi like that?

    the most confusing episode 4 me this season was desmonds flashback/forward timewarped whatever u wanna call it episode. omg…i watched it 4x, still not sure. i think alot of the flash forwards are not real but only possibilities.
    the stuff w/ penny & w/ the artic guys & all that i’m lost….
    iv balbbed enuf, ttyl bruthas

    ooooh, 1 last thing, des always said “see u in another life brutha”…maybe that’s a clue…

  699. megalost says:

    Prediction:

    Season 4 will take place AFTER the “rescue” with flashbacks TO the island picking up right where they left off.

  700. megalost says:

    [quote comment="62355"]Is there anyone out there who doesn’t trust Juliet? .[/quote]

    Not to be rude but is there anyone who DOES trust Juliette?

  701. megalost says:

    [quote comment="61780"]Here is an idea/ theory.

    BEN IS THE GOOD GUY. The Dharma iniative (maybe a government agency) found an island with strange magnetic powers, supernatural phenomena, a place where the vail between the world of the dead and the living was thin, a place that could enhance or foster special powers in people, or something like it. They started bringing people there and experimenting on them, using them as human lab rats (or rabbits). This was done in an attempt to find a way to control the world or something sinister like that. In order to keep their projects secret from the world they created an electric shield of sorts to keep the island hidden from radar and sattelite finders. They had a problem though, and that was the people already living on the island. They could not be exterminated, although Dharma tried.

    Ben joined the good side- the original islanders- and helped get rid of the evil Dharma researchers. Since then he has been trying to keep the island out of the hands of those who would use it’s powers for evil. He has been keeping the island hidden by using Dharma’s own blocking devices. When the Losties landed, he was rightfully worried about who they really were and what their intensions were. But, as he told them the Others are not the bad guys.

    Now the island has been found. It was found by the people who Ben tried to keep away, not to do evil himself, but to protect the world from them and their aims.

    In the next season we are going to see that we had it wrong all along. The good guys are the Others.[/quote]

    i LOVE this theory. XOXOXO

  702. punk lunchbox says:

    [quote comment="62371"]Prediction:

    Season 4 will take place AFTER the “rescue” with flashbacks TO the island picking up right where they left off.[/quote]
    ummm – see post # 692 just exactly what I say there…

  703. megalost says:

    [quote comment="61903"]the funeral home:
    HOFFS /DRALAR

    is an anagram for
    “flash forward”[/quote]

    not 2 be rude but this has been noted several times.

  704. campinggirl26 says:

    OK
    I’ve read up to msg 606
    my kids just woke up from their nap so I can’t continue, but I wanted to put this out there.

    3 thoughts/questions:

    1. Did anyone else notice it took the ‘recuers’ an aweful long time to answer the ophone? I would think they should have answered it on the 2nd or 3rd ring.

    2. When Ben killed everyone – how come the French woman survived? How old was he when he did that? Did she come afterwards? If so – he hasn’t hardly aged since then, and I’m not buying the anti-aging island thing. Otherwise Ben would still be 10 and Claire’s baby would not grow older, and neither would Alex have grown up for that matter.

    3. Was anyone else surprised that the code to disarm the radio jamming device was NOT 4 8 15 16 23 42?

  705. Laura says:

    Jack was also a musician. He is seen playing the piano before his wedding and also is seen playing piano in the barracks when Kate comes back to find him. We don’t know what he was doing the whole time he was with the others…

  706. Hey Mason says:

    i was wondering what everyone thinks about the “daddy issues”… think about everyone who has them:
    ben ended up killing his dad who blamed him for his mother’s death
    jack (& claire’s) dad was a drunk who was a terrible father to jack and not a father at all to claire
    locke’s dad conned him out of a kidney and exploited him, etc. etc.
    walt & michael have a pretty bad relationship
    kate killed her step father and who knows where her real dad was/is?
    hurley’s dad tried to be buddy-buddy with him when he won the lottery but obviously couldn’t be trusted
    sawyer’s dad was killed by locke’s dad
    jin’s dad is ashamed of being a fisherman and made his own son think he and his mother were dead
    sun’s dad is a hard-to-please man who has a mean streak and didn’t approve of her marrying jin

    those are just the ones i could think of off the top of my head. but don’t yall think there’s something to this?? i can’t think of what it could be so HELP!

  707. What if? What if after the series was over this was all a dream for us and how we typed on others blogs and waited patiently for the next posters comments! What if!

    How about… what if LOST came out with an all new LOST Experience for this summer? Now that would be cool!

  708. stretchlimo says:

    [quote comment="62380"][quote comment="62371"]Prediction:

    Season 4 will take place AFTER the “rescue” with flashbacks TO the island picking up right where they left off.[/quote]
    ummm – see post # 692 just exactly what I say there…[/quote]

    that’s very similar to what I said in post #540

    We’ll see if that pans out.

  709. Wingman says:

    Wow what an episode….I think last season’s finale with Micheal killing tailies and betraying the Losties while Locke let the magnetic-field burst was a better thrilling finale, but this ep changed-everything and makes you question your own sanity…Read like 300 posts won’t read another 300 before I post, so if it’s been said, deal with it…

    First off that coffin was waaaaaay too small to be an adult unless it was only half their body (Jack standing in front of the coffin shows you that)…And if Ben knew how to get back and was an unreluctant rescued victum why would Jack be taking all those Oceanic flights in some insane attempt to hope the plane would crash back on the island? Why not just seek out Ben? He seemed insane enuff to do so…

    This episode proved to me that Jack is by far the #1 character in this show (As he should be)…He is an extension of the audience and is more important than Locke, Dez, or Ben in the show’s humanity…I think this ep was great in regards of solidifying that when most of the season didn’t really revolve around him…

    Second Naomi is a pretty damn convincing liar because the writers showed NOTHING and I mean NOTHING in sly presentation (like with Ben or Patchy or Micheal)to suggest she was lying..Usually you get a moment where they want the audience to wonder whether a person is lying and I NEVER got that from Naomi…and Locke killing her made that frustration hard for me to deal with…WTF is up with Locke? If he killed Naomi he should have atleast shot Jack because that’s a waste of a kill making Naomi’s death meaningless if it was all about the phone…

    The way Charlie died pi$$ed me off, not that he died, just was kinda lame how he could have easily went thru the door and closed it from the other side while he and Dez put on the scuba-gear…The fact that Penny wasn’t the boat should have been enuff for him to question Dez’s vision of Claire being saved by his actions (LOL Mr Friendly dying pi$$ed me off too kinda^^)…

    Most slept on line of the episode: Mikail to the hatch-girls “I thought you 2 were suppose to be in Canada.” WTF??? O_O

    Most “Oh $hit so that’s what that was for” moment: When Ben explained the brainwashing was for stopping Karl from wanting to have sex with Alex, not some psuedo other-in-training session…

    Other random questions:

    Why is Kate FREE in the future??

    Why so many hints of Cristian being alive?

    What was that whisper I heard when Jack was about to jump??

    Why was THIS Ben’s plan (To get his a$$ beat in a one vs. one by lying about killing Sayid and company)?

    Finally while this ep was really interesting and fantastic in alot of ways, I honestly believe this will be the last straw for casual fans…As I watched the episode I was thinking I’d never show this ep to someone I was trying to get interested in the show because it’s just too insane…The Flash-Forward is almost too much for me to deal with and I’m a lost fanatic…While I don’t agree I can understand why some will claim this ep officially “jumped the shark”…

    So much more to say hopefully someone will have a discussion with me since I just watch the ep last night…