The Beginning of the End

Jack - Lost Season 4 premiere

Eight agonizing months later and Lost finally premieres with Season 4 – Episode 1, most appropriately titled “The Beginning of the End”. This episode marks the turning point for the entire series; we will now be counting down from 48 to the conclusion of the show (hence the title of this episode). We will get answers to the myriad questions that are still out there, and I am positive a few more questions will come up along the way. ABC’s official show description:

Warning, possible spoilers!

“Feeling that their rescue is close at hand, the survivors don’t know whether to believe Charlie’s final message that the people claiming to liberate them are not who they seem to be. The band of friends, family, enemies and strangers must continue to work together against the cruel weather and harsh terrain if they want to stay alive. But as they have discovered during their 70-plus days on the island, danger and mystery loom behind every corner, and those they thought could be trusted may turn against them. Even heroes have secrets…”

It is difficult to tell based on the information that is out there how the series will play itself out moving forward. My basic understanding is that there will be few episodes where only one character is the central figure, flash forward vs. flash back, etc. I think it is safe to say that Jack will play a fairly large role in this initial episode. Further, I believe you can expect the show to build immediate steam this year, as opposed to dragging along in any capacity or introducing pointless new characters. We know our beloved characters get off the Island – now we get to see how.

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242 Responses to The Beginning of the End

  1. Maxwell says:

    Who do you think is in coffin?

  2. Meg says:

    [quote comment=”171877″]Who do you think is in coffin?[/quote]
    I don’t think we have enough information to determine that yet. But with what we do have, I’d say either Michael or an unseen as of yet character.

  3. nakira says:

    If you have Season 3 dvd, there is an Orientation film, the Orchid, on the Bonus disc which may shed some light on some questions.

  4. any four word phrase says:

    SPOILER (not really, but sensitive types might think so)

    First. I am pretty sure that this is a hurley centric episode, not jack like implied in the original post.

    Second in a podcast with damon and carlton last year. They revealed that “the coffin” scene was originally shot (or intended to be) with locke in it. However, they later decided not to reveal this. Maybe they changed their mind. But, either way, i think locke should be a top potential for consideration.

  5. any four word phrase says:

    I know this isn’t really the correct thread. However, with the “begening of the end” tonight, i cant help but think that the end might just come too soon (8 episodes short to be exact). So, here is my question: many think that the writers strike could end within a week or two. If this happens do you think that the LOST crew will be able to get it together in time to finish the season out? When do you think the writers strike need to end to finish out the season? Does anyone have any information about this? By my logic, if it ends by episode four, they should have have enough time. but, who knows.

  6. Antoni G says:

    This isn’t info about anything I’ve heard, just a lost theory I usually think of. Referring back to the “Whose in the coffin?” question, if I had to guess, My best guess would be Jack’s ex-Wife (cant remember the name). Jack has been seen very depressed (even on the verge of suicide) in his flash-forward; he might have still cared for her and the reason why he wanted to get off the island might have been to see her again, but the news of her death ruined his goal. He then realizes that he had found a better life on the island and tries to get back to it many times (possibly some of his friends decided to stay there). doesn’t explain how kate knew about his ex-wifes death but hopefully questions will be answered soon :) maybe even in a couple of hours…

  7. lost chicka says:

    o god, i can hear the heavens opening up and the halleilujiah chorus (and i just spelled that wrong).

    – who’s in the coffin? i say either michael or walt. michael’s to easy to guess, and walt is a bit more shocking. most likely michael tho, i think.

    – it’s not jack’s wife antoni g. his wife was at the hospital after jack almost jumped off the bridge. i guess she could be in the coffin, but i doubt it. very, very unlikely.

    – and i think the real reason why he wanted to get back home was so he could go to the hospital and fix people, but then he didn’t have enough to fix, and/or he messed up really bad his first time getting off the island (leaving people behind? letting them die? killing them? they’re all unhappy when they leave the island?)

    – less than 2 hours till the show begins!!!

  8. Erin says:

    I don’t think we have seen the person in the coffin, but i think it is someone who can get Jack back to the island. Why else would he be crying over someone he says is not family or friend. The guy has links to the island that Jack needs if he ever wants to get back, and he is emotional because that link is now dead. (thats what I think at least).

  9. Sevenmetals says:

    How about Juliet being inthe coffin? Like Kate said, “Why would I go?”.

  10. scott says:

    it has to be juliet in the coffin

  11. any four word phrase says:

    to me, it makes the most sense to be ben or locke. The other losties aren’t at the funeral because they are glad to have gotten off the island. However, jack is crying because he realizes he “has to go back.” So, he is upset because they told him he didn’t really want to leave.

  12. Dapoppa says:

    I think its Micheal. It seemed to be Black neighborhood. With a Black funeral home. Plus, the coffin was alittle on the small side, to small for Lock I think….

  13. lost chicka says:

    person in the coffin… just hit me… could be somebody who helps “rescue” them. upsets jack cuz he wants to get back, kate don’t care to get back.

    michael, walt, or somebody who rescues them.

  14. Becky says:

    Fantastic start to Season 4!!! A perfect blend of intrigue and of course, some comic relief. It is incredibly sad that Charlie died, however, as always, the show does not really “let” anyone die. Even Ana Lucia came back in a way!

    I did not realize it was John Locke’s eye that popped up in the window to Jacob’s house…aah! So cool! He’s been chilling with Jacob…I guess Jacob gives him orders now instead of Ben.

    I am wondering why Hurley said he was sorry for going with Locke. What happened to those with Locke? Are they in further danger? I believe that must be the case. I think Jack and them feel guilty for leaving their friends in peril.

    The Oceanic 6: Hurley, Jack, Kate…and three missing (could Walt and Michael be two more?)

    Overall, wonderful episode. This ep obviously predates the flash forward of the finale of Season 3 since Jack was not yet obsessed with going back and gave us the clue of him wanting to grow a beard.

    The question is: what sparks Jack’s sudden frantic need to go back? Does Charlie appear to him, too?

    Awesome episode…really excited to see next week!!!

    Tip: If you can watch this with DVR, do it…pausing and rewinding makes it a much more pleasant experience!

  15. Seth says:

    Who was the guy that told Hurley that Charlie was watching him

  16. Utlu says:

    Why not Ben? All of the others are pretty much dead, he killed his dad on the island, and none of the people on Oceanic Flight liked him. This all explains why no one would have come to the wake. Jack may have developed a realtionship with him later, explaining his reason to go to the wake.

    However whoever is in the coffin has to be one of the ‘six’ that left the island (per Hurley’s commment). I figure 4 of the six are: Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sawyer. not sure who the other two are. With that said, Ben most likely didn’t leave the island so that would keep him from being in the coffin. I just negated my original theory. :P Now i’m back to square one…..I have no clue who is in the coffin. Gotta love LOST!

  17. katesFriend says:

    YAY! LOST is back!

    Ok, my thoughts

    At the beginning, when Hurley was in the car chase, we saw Jack drinking. i think he is already wanting to go back and was lying to hurley about being back to work

    also, i think jacob’s house moved when hurley saw it maybe b/c locke broke the ash circle around the house. i know everyone talked about that ben maybe kept jacob trapped there with the ash, and locke is now fulfilling jacob’s request to “help me”

    finally, what the hell did charlie mean when he said, “i’m dead, but i’m also here”? where is here?

    also, one question, i don’t have dvr so i couldn’t rewind, but when hurley has his first visitor in the mental hospital, the “oceanic atty”, what did the man whisper to him right before he left? i think he said someone wasn’t dead, but i didn’t catch it. thanks for the help!

  18. lost chicka says:

    that was awesomely amazingly lost!

    – begining…awesome!!!! loved it! jack to hurley. hurley’s freakin out again.

    – yeah jack, is already drinking, but i think he goes down slow. i think he knows he has to go back too, but he doesn’t want to admit he’s wrong so he’s in denial.

    – this show is starting to get depressing. depresing past, depresing present, and depressing future. not much to look forward to. but it’s SO depressingly addictive! =]

    – nobody else said this: jack is a would be killer!!! he pulled the trigger to kill locke!!!! luckily it wasn’t loaded, but jack is not Mr. Nice Guy anymore now is he?

    – i’ve decided the last episode ever of lost will have the oceanic 6 back on the island (crashed, landed, however), jack (or whoever) will say “we’re home.” they’re meant to be on the island…and i believe in happy endings. first ep of the fourth, and i’m already predicting the end when there’s a writers strike!

    – so if hurley decides to stay on the island, how does he get off??? why does he leave locke’s group?

    – what can’t they (oceanic 6) tell? what are they lying about? what happened to the rest of their group? where the island is? what happened on the boat? everything that happened on the island? WHAT????

  19. Will says:

    What an awesome way to kick off Season 4! So much to digest here – just a couple of random thoughts:

    1) Anyone else notice Christian Shepherd in the rocking chair this time? I’ll post a screen capture at some point tomorrow, but I am about 100% sure that is who Hurley saw

    2) Charlie showing up nearly blew my mind – except that we all know Hurley is crazy

    3) Hurley’s apology to Jack about siding with Locke throws another wrench in the puzzle as it relates to what happens

    4) How intense was it when Jack pulled the trigger – Lost rules.

  20. Snaisy says:

    finally, what the hell did charlie mean when he said, “i’m dead, but i’m also here”? where is here?

    I am not sure but I think it has something to do with Echo, And that other guy who Lock spoke to when he was in the tent working on some potion… that time he couldnt speak… anyway. When they all came, they had a message. SO I guess they come when its important. OR Jacob can transform into anyone who has died? OR Jacob helps them come back when needed?

    Maybe “not out boat” means only a select few can go?

    what are your thoughts?

  21. Sandy says:

    The scene when Hurley broke down crying as he had to tell Claire that Charlie had died just had me in tears. Really fine acting job Jorge!! For some reason I thought Hurley had seen Locke sitting in that chair in that shack. Season 4 will not disappoint!!! Best show on TV by far.

  22. lost chicka says:

    2) Charlie showing up nearly blew my mind – except that we all know Hurley is crazy

    yeah, and jack saw his dad. ecko saw yemi (that’s how you spell it right?) a couple times and ana lucia. charlie saw his mum (not sure if she’s dead, but still)…

  23. This may not be the best place, maybe someone can direct me. My dvr cut off when the parachutest asked “Are you Jack?” How much did I miss or please direct me to a site where I can see or discuss the est of the episode.

    Thanks

  24. Neil Y says:

    [quote comment=”172239″]

    1) Anyone else notice Christian Shepherd in the rocking chair this time? I’ll post a screen capture at some point tomorrow, but I am about 100% sure that is who Hurley saw [/quote]

    I think you’re right…I also remember seeing JOhn Terry’s name in the credits but nowhere else in the episode

  25. Toeknee says:

    Great episode, but after cramming in all of Season 3 in the last week or so, now it will be hard to readjust to waiting a week for the next episode.

    I agree – looked like Christian sitting in Jacob’s chair.

    To Becky – I don’t think that was Locke’s eye in Jacob’s cabin – Locke has blue eyes, this eye was darker.

    After seeing 3000 commercials for it, I don’t think I will ever give Eli Stone a chance.

    Interesting that Ben truthfully told Jack that Kate took the phone, as opposed to playing mind games. Or perhaps this is the set up for future mind games – if he occasionally tells the truth, people won’t think he’s always lying.

    Nice touch by the writers- Jack told Hurley he was thinking of growing a beard, and Hurley says he’d look terrible. I think this was an acknowledgement of the numerous complaints about Jack’s fake beard in the season 3 finale.

    “Oceanic 6” – it will be interesting to see if other Losties choose to stay (probably Locke, Rose & Bernard) or if they got killed. Or maybe some got off the island but have to live under a new identity or in a sort of witness protection. I’m thinking specifically about Kate – she was wanted for murder. I can’t imagine she’d be allowed to go free upon returning to the US. Maybe this is part of her agreement – she’s set up with a new identity in a new location in exchange for keeping whatever secrets need to be kept.

  26. Island Girl says:

    The first man to visit Hurley in the psych ward…I think it was Yemi, Echo’s brother who died in the plane crash. Anyone else notice that? It would seem the “island” has followed them back to civilization and is encouraging their return.
    Also, second comment now about the “lies”.Jack said it and now Hurley. Maybe in order to be rescued they had to lie about something..other people left behind,the island location????Whatever it is, it’s driving them crazy!!

  27. Austin says:

    Totally rocked my socks, and the oceanic teaser thing was useless since it’s the same video’s we’ve been watching for a while.

    a couple of observations that i don’t think are that impressive, but may prove to be so. The island/jacob seems to be pretty adept at manifesting forms that interact with our losties. i am under the impression that hurley’s conversation with charlie was in fact with a manifestation of the island. to broaden this a bit, after hurley’s conversation, he tells/asks jack to go back to the island. I betcha that we’re gonna see jack talking to his father about going back to the island, as jack was drunkenly referring to his dad still being around during (what we believe is, previous flash backs may possibly flash forwards) the first flash forward from the finale of season 3.

    something else i was thinking about was, what would the point be in running away? so if every stayed in one spot, they’d be killed by dharma people/outside influential people/frigatees. Locke was definitely told that people would be killed if they would stay as this was his goal. so by leaving, locke and gang will be protected? i am getting the impression that the island, four toed dude, or some other force is going to make itself present because i am not exactly sure what else can protect locke and gang from the intruders. or stuff.

  28. Austin says:

    ahhh, i forgot, the guy (yemi? really? naw, no way) who visits hurley in the psych ward. I am just going out on a limb and assuming he’s associated with the frigatees/dharma (assumptions here, totally free to different opinions). he asks a question that seems to imply that the people left behind are secured in their island bubble. does dharma/frigatees lose and vacate? does the island force them out? something even crazier? this character is pointing to plot points that i think are much farther into our future viewing than any other question one can get from the episode. IMHO of course.

  29. Toeknee says:

    I’ll take a crack at what’s going on with Hurley. I think Charlie was a figment of his imagination. I wonder if the guy who said there was someone staring at Charlie was also a figment of his imagination, or just another psycho was inadvertently playing into Hurley’s delusion. You would think that if Charlie was a real flesh and blood character, he would have shown up on that store’s video tape, and the detective (Bull Randleman!!) would have shown him video of different people who were in the store, to see how Hurley reacts to seeing those people.

    It seems that on the island he is starting to become delusional – he really did see Jacob’s cabin, but he witnessed some creepy things there and may have thought he imagined it all. Then his mind plays tricks on him and makes him think he’s seeing the cabin in a different location. He closes his eyes, and the cabin’s gone, so he’s sure he’s starting to go crazy. This is one instance of Lost where it makes perfect sense that one character (Hurley) doesn’t tell another character (Locke) what he saw (Jacob’s cabin).

    My guess is that he feels guilty about whatever happened on the island, and feels guilty about lying about it, and this is contributing to his mental breakdown. Charlie represented his conscience, telling Hurley that he has to tell, and “they need you”. Maybe some people are still held on the island against their will? Or maybe Charlie’s referring to Losties who got killed, and he’s saying that justice should be served.

    I also wonder if Hurley denying knowing Ana Lucia is part of the cover-up. Can’t talk about murders, can’t risk a full-blown investigation.

    Sorry for being so wordy. Thanks for reading, if you made it this far.

  30. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment=”172247″]This may not be the best place, maybe someone can direct me. My dvr cut off when the parachutest asked “Are you Jack?” How much did I miss or please direct me to a site where I can see or discuss the est of the episode.

    Thanks[/quote]
    That was the basically the end of the episode. This episode will be repeated next Thursday at 8 pm

  31. FlyingLost says:

    “Totally rocked my socks, and the oceanic teaser thing was useless since it’s the same video’s we’ve been watching for a while.”

    Austin, did you see something interesting the very last frame of the Oceanic teaser? There was!
    Don’t want to spoil it for our west coat viewers

  32. katesFriend says:

    “oceanic atty” definitely NOT yemi

    but i still need to know, who did he tell hurley was not dead?

    also, i feel like the writers paralleled hurley’s interaction w/ oceanic atty and charlie: in both, someone walks up to hurley and tells him someone wants to talk to him/is staring at him

    i know the writers like to trick us, but it may be that they are actually suggesting that charlie is really there, not just a figment of his imagination, b/c we can probably believe the nurse was truthful that the atty was really there to speak to hurley

    or, i’m just reading too much into this, hmmm

  33. Hermy says:

    I have a question –

    How did Locke know that Charlie wrote “Not Penny’s Boat” on his hand before he died/not-really-dead-died?

    Remember? When Locke finds Hurley (Hugo! Why is everyone calling him Hugo now?) right after Hurley sees Jacob’s Moving House? Locke offers “Not Penny’s Boat” before Hurley says anything.

    Did “Only-Mostly-Dead Charlie” visit Locke too?

    Oooooo….

  34. Hammer says:

    I want to puke…just got home to watch it on DVR. Direct TV DVR took a shit…it’s in the To Do list as “not recorded”…banging my head against the wall.

    Does abc.com still put new eps on the site the next day?

    F$#k!!

  35. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment=”172288″]I have a question –

    How did Locke know that Charlie wrote “Not Penny’s Boat” on his hand before he died/not-really-dead-died?

    Remember? When Locke finds Hurley (Hugo! Why is everyone calling him Hugo now?) right after Hurley sees Jacob’s Moving House? Locke offers “Not Penny’s Boat” before Hurley says anything.

    Did “Only-Mostly-Dead Charlie” visit Locke too?

    Oooooo….[/quote]
    Presumably Hurley and Locke had a lengthy conversation discussing all that happened

  36. lost chicka says:

    island girl – that was NOT yemi at the phsyc ward. the black guy’s who visited hurley is (probably)workinwith whoever gets them off the island.

    when charlie (who had brown hair in the clip) said “they need you” i’m thinkin the people who stayed on the island. it wasn’t needed, it was need. and they, as in more then one.

    episode will be up tomorrow hammer. i’m rewatching it.

    now what is it they have to lie about?

  37. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment=”172289″]I want to puke…just got home to watch it on DVR. Direct TV DVR took a shit…it’s in the To Do list as “not recorded”…banging my head against the wall.

    Does abc.com still put new eps on the site the next day?

    F$#k!![/quote]
    Damn! My deepest sympathies, dude! I think it will be on ABC.com eventually, but I don’t know if it’ll be tomorrow. It will be on next Thursday again, but that would suck if you had to wait until then.

  38. Austin says:

    haha, happened to me all the time. i believe the video’s get posted at about 3 am so you might have to stay up for a bit. and someone can prove me wrong, FlyingLost, but the snippet was just a link to the website that has already be found and leads to the cover-up thingy end-of-hiatus-gift right? i say this because if i’m wrong then no biggy, but if i’m right, that spoiler has already been posted on this blog so i’m not worrying too much about it.

  39. Hermy says:

    Toeknee wrote:

    Presumably Hurley and Locke had a lengthy conversation discussing all that happened

    But…there wasn’t time! I’m mean, there was Hurley laying in the grass saying “There’s nothing really there” (or whatever he was saying) and then the light from Locke’s torch, and then suddenly Locke’s talking about Charlie’s death and “Not Penny’s Boat”!

    Locke knew. He knew…

  40. Hammer says:

    Thanks ToeKnee, I can’t even believe it…wait all these months and then the equipment fails. Well I guess my anticipation is extended…who am I kidding, this blows.

  41. Pam says:

    [quote comment=”172234″]
    also, one question, i don’t have dvr so i couldn’t rewind, but when hurley has his first visitor in the mental hospital, the “oceanic atty”, what did the man whisper to him right before he left? i think he said someone wasn’t dead, but i didn’t catch it. thanks for the help![/quote]
    The Oceanic attorney asked Hurley “Are they still alive?”.
    I really don’t think he’s Yemi. I think that’s a big stretch.

  42. jamie gur says:

    um sawyer! he sided with locke over kate? isnt he like head over heels for her? is that a future conflict arising between the love birds and the rest of the losties?

  43. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment=”172303″]Toeknee wrote:

    Presumably Hurley and Locke had a lengthy conversation discussing all that happened

    But…there wasn’t time! I’m mean, there was Hurley laying in the grass saying “There’s nothing really there” (or whatever he was saying) and then the light from Locke’s torch, and then suddenly Locke’s talking about Charlie’s death and “Not Penny’s Boat”!

    Locke knew. He knew…[/quote]
    But I think there was a commercial after Locke first appeared. The next time we see them Hurley’s sitting up and they’re continuing their conversation. D&C have said many times that they think it makes for boring TV if they show one character telling another character about some events that the viewers have already seen.

  44. FlyingLost says:

    [quote comment=”172301″]haha, happened to me all the time. i believe the video’s get posted at about 3 am so you might have to stay up for a bit. and someone can prove me wrong, FlyingLost, but the snippet was just a link to the website that has already be found and leads to the cover-up thingy end-of-hiatus-gift right? i say this because if i’m wrong then no biggy, but if i’m right, that spoiler has already been posted on this blog so i’m not worrying too much about it.[/quote]

    You’re right about the links but the very last frame there was something specific that was actually mentioned on The View this morning.

  45. FlyingLost says:

    Austin,

    You’re right about the FIND815.com stuff. But there was something else at the end of the clip. I don’t want to get yelled at because it may be a spoiler.

  46. Hurley's Dad says:

    Surprised it hasn’t come up already, my 9 year old caught it…..when Hurley and the “Oceanic attorney” were talking…the chalkboard behind them had drawings of:

    an island
    a shark
    a raft

    Aslo, the drawing Hurley was doing before guardian angel Charlie showed up was of an igloo with a person (S2 finale shoutout?)

  47. jamie gur says:

    oh and by the way. i think locke’s in the coffin. his name is on a box resembling a coffin on one of the billboards put up by the marketing team all across the states. i have to find the screen shot again, give me a few…

  48. FlyingLost says:

    Sorry about the double post.

    …and the final Video is up from Find815.com. :)

  49. ryan says:

    Not only was John Terry (the actor who plays Christian Shepard) credited in the episode, he was given credit on IMDB. Both mean he was in the episode. i think it’s safe to say Jacob is being played by John Terry. The resemblance is more obvious after this episode. Whether Jacob is Christian Shepard or not is yet to be seen. (Jacob could just like to take forms of dead people).

    One thing I noticed while DVR pausing the cabin scene: There’s a painting in the cabin of a dog that looks like Walt’s.

    Oh, and the freaky eye was definitely not Locke. Possibly could’ve been Mikhail.

    How about Kate and Juliet both staying with Jack. Catfight anyone?

  50. jo says:

    Who is Christian Shepard? Jack’s dad?

  51. nigel says:

    ryan….the eye that hurley saw was CLEARLY jacob as we saw it in the end of the 3rd season. and jack’s dad, christian, was sitting in the rocking chair as jacob’s eye showed up in the window. two distinctly different “people”…

  52. rick says:

    i agree that i think the person in jacobs house in the rocking chair was jack’s dad. But we just watched it again in slow motion and i think the person whose eye we see looking out that scares Hurley is in fact Hurley! If you watch in slow mo, you see the man approach and you can see he has big brown hair (can’t be Locke)and his eye looks like Hurley’s.

    One more thing…i heard this on a talk show this morning for a preview of this season. Apparently they will find a plane that says Oceanic Flight 815 at the bottom of the ocean and there is people inside.

    I feel like there is something to do with ‘mirror’ images of people. In the future Jack is the opposite of what he was on the island, same for Hurely. Locke is opposite on the island then what he was in the past flashbacks.
    Interesting how they kept saying that everyone who crashed had all ‘lost’ their faith in some way but regained it on the island….

  53. faulkner56 says:

    I don’t think that just cause he was in the credits means he’s in the episode, cause Harold Perrineau (Michael) was also listed in the credits, yet he did not appear in the premiere.
    Regarding Hurley’s comment about Ana Lucia, I don’t think it had anything specific to do with her being dead or anything…I think that Oceanic 6 for some reason have to lie about how many people survived the plane crash, ie. only the 6 of them did. For some reason, whoever ends up letting the 6 off the island, they choose only them. I don’t think that whoever is left chooses to stay, because Locke is pretty much the only person who would actually want to stay on the island.
    Also, they don’t have new identities…they are celebrities, which can be seen when Hurley asks Jack if he’s followed everywhere(or something along those lines) and Jack just says he has to sign autographs sometimes. Somehow Kate avoids capture yet again….surely the US authorities would notice that she’s back in the country and arrest her, so who knows about that.
    I believe as well that Christian was the guy in the rocking chair in Jacob’s cabin, and that Locke couldn’t have been inside because the eye shown was the same one from last season’s episode “The Man Behind the Curtain”.
    Anyways, great start to what looks to be an amazing season.

  54. ben-is-right says:

    Hey, did anyone catch what was on the wall durring Hurley’s interogartion? before the water came in… there is something on the wall… what is it.

    ALSO, when Charley is swiming to the glass right before it breaks, his movement through the water looks alot like the movement of the smoke and blows up trees and stuff… the spirit of the island so to speak… whatcha think?

  55. tickles says:

    To the person who asked why are they calling Hurley…Hugo. That is his real name. I love Hurley..he is adorable. When he realised that Charlie was gone (I won’t say dead because that remains to be seen!) and had to tell Claire I started crying. I have thought for a long time that Lost is entirely Hurley’s imagination…remember he was in a mental institution before. As to Hurley not admitting that he knew Ana Lucia…that is just common sense. Think about it…you have just comitted a myriad of felonies and a detective is riding your ass…and then he asks you about someone you know is dead (and why they are dead) would you admit it?
    Another thought…I always wonder why everyone trusts Desmond so completely and quickly? Isn’t he the genius who blew up the hatch?
    I am very sad that Charlie is gone..I still think Walt will be an important plot twist…(and what has happened to Walt’s dog?) and I love the whole Rose and Bernard thing. They are so sweet. Sayhid(?) is hot, hot, hot! I would love to be stranded on an island with him!

  56. Elveszett says:

    It seems pretty obvious to me that the Oceanic 6 knowingly left other people behind on the island and lied about being the only survivors – hence why Hurley lies about ever having met Anna Lucia, why the Oceanic atty asks him if ‘they are still alive,’ why Jack asks if Hurley ‘has ever told anyone,’ and why Charlie tells Hurley that ‘they need him.’
    I think that they left people behind on the island, and that they will try to go back later to help them – like Jack told Kate on the phone at the end of season 3

  57. Lesley says:

    Whoa, I am still reeling! Does anyone else think it significant that Hurley saw Jacob? Don’t the Others revere Locke because he has such special powers? It seems that all the Losties have special powers!

    Remember what Kate said to Jack? “This isn’t going to stop.” I imagine that means all of the Oceanic Six are being called back by the “eyeland”. My question is whether the person in the coffin is one of the six, or whether Michael never makes it back to the island but dies trying after the six return home.

    Hammer sorry to hear about what happened. I think abc.com puts the episodes up within 48 hours.

    Time to do some research!

  58. lost chicka says:

    whoa, losties have superpowers? cool idea. never thought about that but yeah, the only other person before locke who could see jacob was ben, and now hurley can see him. only suposedly special people can see him!

    desmond blew up th hatch because locke wasn’t gonna let him press the button (4,8,15,16,23,42,execute).

    walt could be the person in the coffin. he’s a person everybody remembers even tho the kid left in season 1, was seen for a couple minutes in season 2, and barely a minute in season 3. he could have been doing whatever to make nobody else want to come to his funeral, or he could’ve been trying to convince them all to come back to the island and he knew how to get to it and so once he died jack thought his chance was gone.

    i didn’t think the eye was locke’s either. i thought at first it was jacob’s. if it’s mikhail i’m gonna get sick of him never dying. it could be hurley’s like us looking back at him.

    yeah, i noticed hurley’s drawing of the igloo. reminded me of s2 finale. didn’t catch the chalkboard thing tho, will be payin closer attention when i re-watch!

    [quote comment=”172307″]um sawyer! he sided with locke over kate? isnt he like head over heels for her? is that a future conflict arising between the love birds and the rest of the losties?[/quote]

    i think he did it just to make jack mad. besides she’s just been using him to make jack jealous.

  59. Meg says:

    Why is everyone calling Hurleys visitor an attorney for Oceanic. He obviously isn’t. Hurley asks to see a business card, which Matthew conveniatly forgot at home. Then he asks if the others are alive. If he actually worked with Oceanic, he wouldn’t ask this, as it is Oceanic who is covering up the whole mess.

  60. Meg says:

    [quote comment=”172311″]Austin,

    You’re right about the FIND815.com stuff. But there was something else at the end of the clip. I don’t want to get yelled at because it may be a spoiler.[/quote]
    Again, clips from find815.com. We knew before the episode came on that the Christiane 1 found flight 815 underwater. Nothing new. No spoiler.

  61. omar says:

    I think thats ben in the coffin, because no one showed up to his funeral and remember he had no family, he killed everyone on the island including his dad. did hugo really win the lottery or is he just some escapee from a mental institute, and crash landed on the island. I think desmond is really an other and was recruited a long time ago. sahid needs to step his role up and take command of this operation. that guy that visits hurley is actually, luitenent daniels from The Wire…isnt that odd, maybe there is a connection with the drug trade in baltimore and the island….

  62. Emily says:

    [quote comment=”172240″]finally, what the hell did charlie mean when he said, “i’m dead, but i’m also here”? where is here?

    I am not sure but I think it has something to do with Echo, And that other guy who Lock spoke to when he was in the tent working on some potion… that time he couldnt speak… anyway. When they all came, they had a message. SO I guess they come when its important. OR Jacob can transform into anyone who has died? OR Jacob helps them come back when needed?

    Maybe “not out boat” means only a select few can go?

    what are your thoughts?[/quote]
    but charlie wrote “not Penny’s boat” not “not our boat”

  63. Tina says:

    [quote comment=”172525″]Why is everyone calling Hurleys visitor an attorney for Oceanic. He obviously isn’t. Hurley asks to see a business card, which Matthew conveniatly forgot at home. Then he asks if the others are alive. If he actually worked with Oceanic, he wouldn’t ask this, as it is Oceanic who is covering up the whole mess.[/quote]

    We don’t know that he isn’t an attorney for Oceanic. He may be. I think it unlikely that if he is an attorney for Oceanic that he is a run of the mill airline attorney who makes sure the company doesn’t get sued in the event of the crash. I think there must be some connection between Oceanic the company, the Widmore Corp, and the Dharma Initiative. I wouldn’t be surprised if Oceanic was a front company to a certain degree.

    The “attorney” lets just call him that for the sake of argument, makes reference to getting Hurley “an upgrade” offering him a private room in a better facility among other things. Taking this line of thought with Hurley’s outburst to the arresting officers “I’m one of the Oceanic 6!” I wonder if when the 6 (whoever they are) returned from the island, if an elaborate story was concocted by Oceanic and its partners that painted the 6 as some kind of miraculous survivors. Clearly they have some kind of information that Oceanic doesn’t want getting out to the public. Besides an “upgrade”, what else did Oceanic & its partners give to the survivors? Fame, fortune, unlimited flights? new identities?

    Curious…

  64. Emily says:

    [quote comment=”172309″][quote comment=”172303″]Toeknee wrote:

    Presumably Hurley and Locke had a lengthy conversation discussing all that happened

    But…there wasn’t time! I’m mean, there was Hurley laying in the grass saying “There’s nothing really there” (or whatever he was saying) and then the light from Locke’s torch, and then suddenly Locke’s talking about Charlie’s death and “Not Penny’s Boat”!

    Locke knew. He knew…[/quote]
    But I think there was a commercial after Locke first appeared. The next time we see them Hurley’s sitting up and they’re continuing their conversation.

    D&C have said many times that they think it makes for boring TV if they show one character telling another character about some events that the viewers have already seen.[/quote]

    You’re right. There was a commercial between the two scenes, and it was obvious that some time had passed and Hurley had filled Locke in on everything that had happened.

  65. carebare says:

    First off, great episode. The opening scene wasn’t as great as the previous seasons opening scenes, but what can ya do.

    The cabin Hurley saw contained Jacob (the same eye we saw at the end of s3) and Christian Shepherd in the rocking chair. We know this for sure because, not only was it plainly him, but he had the white sneakers on like he had in Jack’s visions AND in the “missing pieces” episode we saw (which conveniently brought our attention back to him).

    Also, while the guy who met Hurley CLAIMED to be an attorney from Oceanic, he clearly was not. I think, as others have posted, that he’s got something to do with the Dharma Initiative and/or the people who are looking for the island but are “not penny’s boat”. It appears that the “oceanic 6″, in order to protect their friends who probably chose to stay on the island (like Locke, Ben, probably Rose since it cured her cancer, and Bernard.. I think Walt would want to stay, and also Michael because of that), they’ve kept it a secret that there were any additional survivors. What I’m curious about is why Hurley is now sorry that he went with Locke instead of staying with Jack.. I’m very excited to find out what happens next on the island!

    Also, my guess as to who is in the coffin… We have to think of who has been an enemy and would want to get off the island. Michael comes to mind, but I think Walt would want to stay and I don’t think Michael would leave without Walt (unless something happens to Walt). Ben wouldn’t leave and Locke wouldn’t leave. It’s possible it’s Juliet, but she’d probably go back to Miami. I don’t know, I think it’s someone we haven’t seen yet. Maybe one of the rescuers.

    Great episode though, I’m so glad Lost is back!

  66. carebare says:

    In going along with everyone on the island being “special”… I think each of them has something, for instance, Michail is nearly invincible, Richard doesn’t age, Walt can appear to people among other things, Ben has seen his mother (who is dead)… I think that Jacob is also somehow dead, which is why he’s trapped within the circle and why Ben can see him. I think it’s interesting that Hurley also saw Jacob AND Christian and now Charlie too (also, who knows, maybe Dave wasn’t imagined, but someone who has died).

  67. deangoodes says:

    Why did Locke say they had a traitor in their midst, Juliet? Does he know something that the audience doesn’t?

  68. deangoodes says:

    Also, I see a lot of people making comments regarding Michael and Walt, I thought they left for rescue during last year’s show? Did they come back and I missed it somehow?

  69. carebare says:

    [quote comment=”172546″]Why did Locke say they had a traitor in their midst, Juliet? Does he know something that the audience doesn’t?[/quote]

    I was wondering that myself, unless he was only referring to the tape he’d gotten that he gave to Sawyer. It seems weird that he wouldn’t have been filled in on that though, unless he’s really in the dark and no one even told him about blowing up some others and all that stuff. That’s possible, I mean, Locke has been a busy guy, what with trying to sabotage radio contact and throwing knives at people… oh yeah, and getting fake shot by Jack. What’s up with that?! Needless to say, I think things are gonna be pretty awkward between them from now on… =)

  70. manonachair says:

    It seems the coffin topic is once again up for debate, but if i remember correctly doesnt jack admit to thinking it was kate? She has to fake her death to escape conviction charges…If thats not the case then it probably as simple as a memorial for all the people that died on the island. Whatever happens i feel that people should be aware that the way in which the lost writters contribute their storylines their will most definetly be many unanswered questions at the end of the series. I think the whole series will end with a cliffhanger of sorts. Be forewarned dissapointment eminent..some might even say it needed.

  71. Meg says:

    As to who is in the coffin: Read the article Jack has about it. It says that it’s a MAN (so not Juliet or Sarah(who by the way it can’t be because we see her AFTER he reads the article)) who is from New York (so it can’t be Ben since he is from Portland) and has a teenage son. My guess is that it’s Michael or a character we haven’t met yet.

  72. deangoodes says:

    Also, Does Locke know something we don’t as far as Juliet being a traitor?

  73. carebare says:

    [quote comment=”172547″]Also, I see a lot of people making comments regarding Michael and Walt, I thought they left for rescue during last year’s show? Did they come back and I missed it somehow?[/quote]

    They did leave, but that doesn’t mean they were able to leave for good…

  74. Meg says:

    [quote comment=”172553″]Also, Does Locke know something we don’t as far as Juliet being a traitor?[/quote]
    No. Remember, Locke is the one who told the losties that she isn’t who she said she was. He stole the tape recorder from Ben that had Juliet saying Sun was pregnant and she would find out if the other women were as well. Locke never knew that Juliet is supposedly on the losties side now because he wasn’t at their camp.

  75. carebare says:

    [quote comment=”172550″]As to who is in the coffin: Read the article Jack has about it. It says that it’s a MAN (so not Juliet or Sarah(who by the way it can’t be because we see her AFTER he reads the article)) who is from New York (so it can’t be Ben since he is from Portland) and has a teenage son. My guess is that it’s Michael or a character we haven’t met yet.[/quote]

    You’re right, Meg, I forgot about that!

  76. deangoodes says:

    I thought Michael and Walt left the island on a boat during last season? Did I miss them coming back at some point?

  77. deangoodes says:

    I thought that Michael and Walt left the Island last year on a boat? Did they return at some point and I missed it?

  78. barbara says:

    [quote comment=”171877″]Who do you think is in coffin?[/quote]
    Locke…which is why Jack displays emotions of both disbelief and anger…also why when he goes to the funeral home the worker says no one else has come

  79. Zeke says:

    My theory is that Desmond is working for the boaties. Probably be proven wrong quickly, but he may have made contact when he was out sailing trying to escape. He blows the hatch, hoping it will help the boaties find the island. Then, he helps turn off the jamming equipment, also to help the boaties. He lets the losties know about Charlie’s message because he doesn’t want to them to get hurt, but he could care less about the island. All as part of a deal to get Des back to Penny.

  80. Lost4ever says:

    [quote comment=”172554″][quote comment=”172547″]Also, I see a lot of people making comments regarding Michael and Walt, I thought they left for rescue during last year’s show? Did they come back and I missed it somehow?[/quote]

    They did leave, but that doesn’t mean they were able to leave for good…[/quote]
    For all we know Michael and Walt were picked up by the freighter and are being held captive.

  81. honey bunny says:

    i was thrown off when ben was talking to danielle rousseau as if he really knew her. and we find out that alex is not ben’s daughter. i think that rousseau and ben have been in cahoots for years and SHE is that “traitor”. it really kind of fits, as she was the character that acted the strangest throught out the whole series thus far (IMO).

  82. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment=”172528″]I think thats ben in the coffin, because no one showed up to his funeral and remember he had no family, he killed everyone on the island including his dad. did hugo really win the lottery or is he just some escapee from a mental institute, and crash landed on the island. I think desmond is really an other and was recruited a long time ago. sahid needs to step his role up and take command of this operation. that guy that visits hurley is actually, luitenent daniels from The Wire…isnt that odd, maybe there is a connection with the drug trade in baltimore and the island….[/quote]
    That would be awesome! My two favorite shows, tied together. Although I don’t think I could deal with the previews…. “Next week, a very special episode of The Wire”.

    Good luck tracking down Marlo, Omar!

  83. Davis says:

    Anyone consider it might be BEN in the coffin.
    He had cancer of the spine…. did he ever get better ?!

  84. ByeByeBoone says:

    [quote comment=”172542″]In going along with everyone on the island being “special”… I think each of them has something, for instance, Michail is nearly invincible, Richard doesn’t age, Walt can appear to people among other things, Ben has seen his mother (who is dead)… I think that Jacob is also somehow dead, which is why he’s trapped within the circle and why Ben can see him. I think it’s interesting that Hurley also saw Jacob AND Christian and now Charlie too (also, who knows, maybe Dave wasn’t imagined, but someone who has died).[/quote]

    It seems that those who appear as visions to warn the survivors both on the island and off, i.e, Charlie and Echo’s brother, are dead. Bringing up the question, “Instead of having super powers, is Walt dead?” He does appear to Locke in the season 3 finale to stop him from killing himself.

  85. ByeByeBoone says:

    remind me again, who is Mikhail?

  86. NikkiV says:

    [quote comment=”172332″]Not only was John Terry (the actor who plays Christian Shepard) credited in the episode, he was given credit on IMDB. Whether Jacob is Christian Shepard or not is yet to be seen. (Jacob could just like to take forms of dead people).

    One thing I noticed while DVR pausing the cabin scene: There’s a painting in the cabin of a dog that looks like Walt’s.

    Oh, and the freaky eye was definitely not Locke. Possibly could’ve been Mikhail.[/quote]

    I was wondering about the painting myself. I think it is a dog, but I’m not sure why it would be in Jacob’s cabin. What purpose? Also, I really think the eye could be Locke’s and I don’t know if I am totally sold on the Jack’s father is Jacob theory yet..

  87. spiralturtle says:

    Great episode! IMO, worth the wait.

    Does anyone know of a link to a webpage that shows side-by-side views of Jacob’s eye? I mean, the eye that looked out at Hurley on this episode and a shot of the eye from “Man Behind the Curtain?

  88. NikkiV says:

    [quote comment=”172564″]Anyone consider it might be BEN in the coffin.
    He had cancer of the spine…. did he ever get better ?![/quote]

    Oh I definitely think it could be Ben!! I love LOST!!!!!

  89. spiralturtle says:

    [quote comment=”172570″]remind me again, who is Mikhail?[/quote]

    Mikhail is the guy who ran the communications tower for the Others. He was “killed” by Locke when he was thrown into the sonic fence, and he died again when he used a grenade to blow the window to Charlie’s room that killed Charlie.

  90. barbara says:

    Yes…it could be Ben…also, I’m still on a wave of tying in biblical themes and names, since Ben was the son of Jacob…it seemed to be a fit when during the recap show when Ben and Locke are in the cabin and the chair starts rattling, Ben says, “I am your son”

  91. NikkiV says:

    [quote comment=”172549″]It seems the coffin topic is once again up for debate, but if i remember correctly doesnt jack admit to thinking it was kate? She has to fake her death to escape conviction charges…If thats not the case then it probably as simple as a memorial for all the people that died on the island.[/quote]

    There’s no way it could be Kate in the coffin. He calls her and then they meet at the airport.

  92. katesFriend says:

    spiralturtle: last time i looked, lostpedia’s discussion page for the episode has the side by side pics

  93. Meg says:

    [quote comment=”172573″]Great episode! IMO, worth the wait.

    Does anyone know of a link to a webpage that shows side-by-side views of Jacob’s eye? I mean, the eye that looked out at Hurley on this episode and a shot of the eye from “Man Behind the Curtain?[/quote]
    darkufo.com under screencaps

  94. spiralturtle says:

    [quote comment=”172570″]remind me again, who is Mikhail?[/quote]

    Mikhail was the guy who ran the communications cabin for the Others, and “died” when Locke threw him into the sonic fence. He wears and eyepatch, so some people call him “Patchy” in the comment threads in this blog. He theoretically died when he blew the grenade outside the Looking Glass (which killed Charlie), but this of course is up for debate.

  95. Meg says:

    Ben can’t be in the coffin. The name in the article starts with “Jo”, although a name change could’ve happened, but the man who is in the coffinis from New York (Ben is from Portland) and has a teenage son. Please read ALL comments before commenting yourself. It’s in the guidelines.

  96. im lost says:

    I can’t believe everyone loved this episode so much. Yes it was entertaining, but like all of last season once again 35 minutes of show with 25 minutes of commercials and NO NEW ANSWERS. Eight months and not a single explanation of anything more than what we already knew at the end of season 3. Lame-o x10000 IMO.

  97. Jocco says:

    I don’t think Hurley said “It wants us to come back,” I think that he said “he.” I think that Hurley is referring to either Jacob or the god of “the temple” that the Others are marching to. Maybe even one in the same.

    I think that the Oceanic Six are tricked into leaving because somehow their abilities help Jacob/the god to be more powerful. The boat people would run into the same problem as Dharma if they don’t get rid of the six. With them gone, exploitation can happen in earnest, which is why Charlie/the island needs the six to return as liberators.

  98. Meg says:

    [quote comment=”172584″]I don’t think Hurley said “It wants us to come back,” I think that he said “he.” I think that Hurley is referring to either Jacob or the god of “the temple” that the Others are marching to. Maybe even one in the same.

    [/quote]
    No, Hurley definaltely says “It”, not “He”, a few times.

  99. deangoodes says:

    My take on the episode: I was very disappointed it didn’t just take right up from where last year’s ended. Jack meeting with Kate and saying he had to get back-They are nowhere near getting to that point of the story. But just having Lost back is very comforting and I am enjoying the sad moments as well as the dangerous ones. Hurley and Claire hugging, Barnard and his wife Rose, etc…As far as Desmond being a bad guy: That would be hard for me to take. To cheer so hard for someone to meet up again with the love of his life (for some reason, I can really feel the emotions between Desond and Penny, and how desperately they want to be together again.), I think all he’s possibly guilty of is the wanting to be with Penny again, anyhow and anywhere.
    Also, sorry about the multiple posts asking about Locke and Michael- My computer was telling me they were not loading, but evidently they were.

    I would like to hear more of whether people enjoyed the first show or not and why.

  100. Erin says:

    Could barely sleep last night, replaying everything over in my head. Well worth the 8 month wait, but (please God!) let’s hope it won’t be that long until we get episodes 8-16! Who are the Oceanic Six? Can’t wait till next week…

  101. barbara says:

    [quote comment=”172247″]This may not be the best place, maybe someone can direct me. My dvr cut off when the parachutest asked “Are you Jack?” How much did I miss or please direct me to a site where I can see or discuss the est of the episode.

    Thanks[/quote]
    don’t worry…that was the end and also abc.com always lets you watch other shows so I suppose they’ll put Lost up too

  102. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment=”172582″]I can’t believe everyone loved this episode so much. Yes it was entertaining, but like all of last season once again 35 minutes of show with 25 minutes of commercials and NO NEW ANSWERS. Eight months and not a single explanation of anything more than what we already knew at the end of season 3. Lame-o x10000 IMO.[/quote]

    Well, that’s not entirely true. We learned Hurley gets off the island. We learned that he goes back into a mental institution. We learn the public knows/thinks there were 6 survivors. We learned that Jack was actually happy at some point when he got off the island, despite what we saw in the season 3 finale. We learn that Locke comes back to be part of the Losties, as opposed to going off and trying to find Jacob or the remaining Others. I could probably go on and on

    D&C have said many times they have a story to tell, but if in the Pilot episode, for example, Jack and Kate had a long conversation telling each other about their past histories, then there isn’t much left to show on the show. To me, this is what makes Lost so riveting – we’re trying to figure out what the whole puzzle looks like with each little piece of information we’re given. It wouldn’t be as much fun if they told the story of the island chronologically from ancient times, for example, show how “Adam and Eve” came to die in that cave, show how the Black Rock got there, show how the Others came to be, show how Dharma started, etc etc. It would be like a documentary, which would be interesting, perhaps, but it probably wouldn’t be as intriguing as it is.

    I’m not saying you can’t be unhappy with the show, and you don’t have a right to complain. You certainly do. And I’m not trying to be a jerk about this. But if at this point there are people out there who were expecting everything to be tied up neatly in this episode, I have to wonder why they’ve been a fan of the show for so long.

  103. TanziTwo says:

    1). We saw more than 1 parachute from the rescue helo in the closing scenes of S4E1, but we only saw one parachutist on the ground. I guess the immediate thing we can expect from E2 is the rest of the parachutists springing from the jungle – rescue team OR assault team?

    2). Naomi lied on the SatPhone to her friends. She omitted the ‘knife in the back’ story in favor of the ‘branch in the lung’ story. Kate looked on, knowing the lie. Did Naomi lie to protect the Losties? or did she lie to gain Kate’s allegiance (for later abuse)?

    3). “Losties”, “Tailies”, “Others”… what do we call the new kids on the boat? – “Freighter Tots”.

    4). Oceanic Six prime candidates in addition to Kate, Jack and Hurley… Juliet, Sayid & Desmond. Juliet has always been committed to leaving and will follow Jack home. Sayid has nothing to lose/gain by staying and will try to return to Nadia & family. Desmond will fulfill his vow to return to Penny. All others have reasons to remain (faith, health, etc…) or will die in the interim.

  104. barbara says:

    [quote comment=”172332″]Not only was John Terry (the actor who plays Christian Shepard) credited in the episode, he was given credit on IMDB. Both mean he was in the episode. i think it’s safe to say Jacob is being played by John Terry. The resemblance is more obvious after this episode. Whether Jacob is Christian Shepard or not is yet to be seen. (Jacob could just like to take forms of dead people).

    One thing I noticed while DVR pausing the cabin scene: There’s a painting in the cabin of a dog that looks like Walt’s.

    Oh, and the freaky eye was definitely not Locke. Possibly could’ve been Mikhail.

    How about Kate and Juliet both staying with Jack. Catfight anyone?[/quote]

  105. barbara says:

    [quote comment=”172332″]Not only was John Terry (the actor who plays Christian Shepard) credited in the episode, he was given credit on IMDB. Both mean he was in the episode. i think it’s safe to say Jacob is being played by John Terry. The resemblance is more obvious after this episode. Whether Jacob is Christian Shepard or not is yet to be seen. (Jacob could just like to take forms of dead people).

    One thing I noticed while DVR pausing the cabin scene: There’s a painting in the cabin of a dog that looks like Walt’s.

    Oh, and the freaky eye was definitely not Locke. Possibly could’ve been Mikhail.

    How about Kate and Juliet both staying with Jack. Catfight anyone?[/quote]
    aboyt the dog picture…remember long ago they see a gian statue (looks like a foot (dogs paw? it has 4 toes!!

  106. nakira says:

    OMG so excited LOST is back, not many questions were answered though, although ABC enticed us there would be. Sorry if this is long, i’m stuck at home without coworkers to gab with.

    It’s interesting that people’s characters are so different. For instance Jack seems to be on a anger-filled revengeful killing streak. Locke’s eyes were shocked when he heard the gun make the sound like it was going to fire. Sawyer makes an attempt to have a heart-felt talk with Hurley. Hurley seems cold and indifferent in flash forward since he said he didn’t know Ana lucia or offer an I’m sorry to the investigating cop.

    As far as the Charlie ghost/figment whatever I think it may be the writers trying to show that people that society deems as crazy may have some leverage, since the other mental institute guy could see Charlie. A theme that often plays out is faith vs science. I think it really is Charlie’s spirit/ghost, since he tells the truth of his death and intentions, unlike the Yemi ghost who acted very differently before Ecko was killed.

    Did anyone notice Naomi saying “I’m sorry, tell my sister I love her.”?

    As far as the cabin, it did look like Jack’s dad in the chair, I’ll have to rewind my dvd to see the eye color of man-in-the-window. Clearly Jacob and Locke are different since the eye that looked at John in season 3 was dark brown and Locke’s was blue. Maybe the cabin is a hangout for spirits/ghosts? Ha.

    Oceanic 6 we know so far are Jack, Kate, Hurley, hated man in coffin (Ben, Michael, Locke?) the other two. The man in the coffin clearly was close to Jack, either in character, or by association, but was hated since no one came to funeral and Kate said, Why would I go?. That’s why I think its Ben, Michael – for his traitor ways, or Locke- for his schism between him and Jack.

    For some reason I think the Oceanic 6 will eventually band together and set sail for the mythical island once more. Cheezy I know.

  107. TanziTwo says:

    Comment 104 ToeKnee:
    Nicely said… I agree. They did answer many small questions, like you listed, but my only disappoint was that they didn’t toss in at least one major reveal (T4TS or Looking Glass), like D&C suggested they might start doing.

  108. deangoodes says:

    In Nakira’s post: Did anyone notice Naomi saying “I’m sorry, tell my sister I love her.”?

    I did catch that and was wondering who her sister might be, maybe Michael’s ex?? Or maybe it was just her showing her softer side so we don’t know if she was on the island to help or harm. There were a couple of other instances where she seemed genuinely helpful and not there to harm the Losties. I.E., lying thru the radio about getting stabbed, showing real joy when Charlie cleared up the radio jammer.

  109. Nick says:

    To Hammer or anyone else who missed it, it looks like both abc.com and iTunes have the episode available now.

  110. i think that there very well could have been SEVEN people that made it off, and they kate was one of them but changed her identity. so they say 6.

    i definitely think oceanic is in on it somehow. and i also have a hunch that christian is in fact really alive. that would explain the trouble they [oceanic] gave jack about the coffin.

    also, while the plane was found, [correct me if i’m wrong, but] naomi is the only source that said there were bodies in it…and i don’t know if we can trust her.

    the find815 video was interesting and leads me to think that oceanic is in on it somehow…maybe part of hanso or who knows. but the whole “don’t trust them” thing…

  111. yvette says:

    Loved the episode glad its back
    Best writing best show ever

    the coffin theory i go with Michael, who would have a teenage son? i mean that much time couldnt have gone past. They didn’t age Kate at all. And no one else has kids on the island do they? What about Yin?

  112. +nate says:

    wow. people are ALL OVER the place this season with some whacked out theories…lol.

    there’s no way i can remember everything i wanted to say so i’ll just have to keep posting as people re-bring up certain things.

    1) i think everyone needs to chillax on the michael/walt thing. especially as guesses as to who’s in the coffin. i don’t think anyone will argue that those are stretches in and of themselves. i suppose michael could work, since i believe he IS from new york and had a son, but i don’t see how that would fit with kate’s colorful response to jack asking if she was going to go herself. “why would i want to go?” is pretty harsh. my guess – john or ben – and i have some cool reasons. more on that later.

    2) interesting stuff on the jacob front. i agree with someone early in the posts who said they believe john is now “helping” jacob by first getting rid of the ash circle, or at least breaking it so jacob is free to do his thing all over the island. what’s his thing? good question…lol. i don’t care if locke was in the cabin or not – i believe he has been. i can’t imagine him NOT going back after hearing jacob say “help me” while in the cabin the first time with ben. locke’s a sucker for that kind of stuff. and i STILL think that jacob is locke. somehow. someway. i created a side-by-side last year of the jacob screencap with the hair removed and the profile IS john. i’m a photographer by profession and i have to look at faces all day. i’m not saying jacob and locke are the same person as in…locke is sneaking into the cabin and acting like jacob, but that locke and jacob have some type of relationship on some type of level. spiritual? supernatural? something. this theory isn’t too well thought out – so ignore what you need to.

    3) when did ben say “i am your son” in the cabin to jacob last season? does anyone else remember this? that’s the first time i’ve ever heard that. not sure if it really happened.

    4) the “atty” from oceanic was not from oceanic. he was definitely from the same group that sent the crew of boaties. i’m starting to think that they might even be more after SOMEONE ON THE ISLAND than the island itself. that dude was wayyyyyyy too concerned with whether or not there were people on the island that were still alive – as though they were more important than “the island”. up to this point everyone’s been under the impression that the boaties were after the island itself (i.e. magnetic anomalies, invisibility factor, ancient ruins, etc)…but the way the dude acted – he wanted people. he didn’t care about the island itself. that’s super interesting and we’re all missing something here.

    5) if jacob really is jack’s dad, then this is a jack-centered show and we need to revisit a LOT of what we think this show is about. i don’t think it is. MHO.

  113. Island Girl says:

    OK so the black atty is not Yemi…I thought I might have figured something out?? Here is another thought, say the guy in the coffin is Locke. Perhaps the reason he died is he told the “secret” and was assasinated. He obviously would not have wanted to leave the island, and if he did would want to get back. None of the other Oceanic 6 would show for the service for fear of being connected to his revealing the secret. Also, it would explain Jacks incredible grief…realizing Locke was right, they shouldn’t have left, it was his fault they were rescued and now Locke was dead.
    I’m new to the “blog”. Can someone tell me the scoop on all these short video clips? Are they clips that were not aired? Also, I missed the ads in the Eli Stone show..did someone say they are on the Find815 site?

  114. Judy Miss says:

    I agree with this blog. (meaning Locke being the one who was in the coffin, dead. Makes sense (if this show is supposed to make sense.)

  115. scottc13 says:

    THE OCEANIC 6

    I believe are the following. Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sun, Jin and Claire.

    I think Aaron makes it off with Claire, but since he wasn’t on the flight manifest, he would not be considered one of the 6 surviving passengers. Sun and Jin have to get off, or Sun will die from Childbirth.

    I also believe this gives the writers freedom to have others like Desmond, Juliet, and possibly Ben leave the Island, or be removed since they have no true ties to Oceanic.

    The sad part is, I believe Sayid and Sawyer will be one of the next tragic deaths, and thus never make it from the island. My money is on Sawyer, since his storyline is pretty much resolved.

  116. Meg says:

    It can’t be Locke. He wasn’t born in New York and doesn’t have a teenage son.

  117. scottc13 says:

    [quote comment=”172616″]I agree with this blog. (meaning Locke being the one who was in the coffin, dead. Makes sense (if this show is supposed to make sense.)[/quote]

    I am starting to lean more toward Ben being in the coffin. I think at the end (or very soon) he will be overthrown, and lose all leadership roles with the others. I think Jack will be the one that helps forcibly remove him from the Island as a form of vengance. Ironically, he will realize he is the only way to get back to the island, but tragically is dead. the only part I have not been able to put togehter to justify this argument, is the part of the teenage son in the newspaper clipping.

  118. Bobola says:

    Jack is proving to be a first Class asshole (as I thought); he threatens to KILL three different people within the space of 2 episodes (Physician Heal thyself).
    HELLO PEOPLE; the coffin is child size, thus….not an adult!
    Other options are the 2 kids with the Others; Ben’s “daughter” or her BoyFriend… but I’m still thinking it could be a baby Polar Bear…(wink to Lost Chicka). And why would Jack spill tears over the evil Michael but try to kill Locke? because Locke steals Jack’s thunder?
    I was starting to hate on Hurley…grow some BALLS dude. But liked his speech just before he decides to leave with Locke. Tired of the device of people springing back to life; Patchy, and Locke, and NOW Para-Chica …uuugh!! Very odd that Freckles took the phone from Jack and didn’t trust him; smart, not not smart enough to see the “rescuers” may be bad guys? And is this the First time Sayeed is making a goof in deciding to side with Jack?
    I think we may see that Ben is REALLY one of the good guys after all and has a bigger motive behind his horrible acts…the kind of irony I love. Wonder how many Others are left? Why were they ALL not called out to help to go against the Losties? Makes no sense.
    I was disappointed some by this new episode and also PISSED off at the false Advertising; the Network ads said a TWO HOUR LOST, but the first hour was old news. That really annoys me.
    And I said it before but worth repeating; WHY the hell did Charlie need to seal himself up in that room? He didn’t! and also; the porthole was big enough to swim out through. So, Goodbye Charlie Tuna; I won’t miss you or your bad singing.

  119. Miraks says:

    I have a few theories, but I’ll post them individually.

    The coffin:
    I think it is Ben (probably living under a pseudonym now). While he might have been reluctant to leave the island originally, he has now been “betrayed” by Jacob, because Jacob is now talking/ appearing to at least Locke and Hurley.
    I also believe that if he left the island, he was not billed as one of the 6, but was brought back secretly. It would be really hard otherwise for the airline to explain how they managed to “save” a passenger that was not on the flight roster in the first place.
    Also, we got enough hints in this episode to suggest that the 6 had become some sort of celebrities. If it had been indeed one of the 6 in the coffin, you would expect that there would be at least one or two reporters at the funeral (even had-been-celebrities would get some TMZ coverage :-)).

  120. Paul says:

    Well it’s ABOUT FREAKIN’ TIME!! 8 months with no LOST. Now that is cruel and unusual punishment. That 1st hour was a joke – advertised as 2 hour season premiere. But the show was amazing! OK we know that Hurley can see dead people ( Charlie ) – but can Jack as well? Perhaps Kate is not alive but “here” as Charlie says. That would explain Jack’s despair in the future. That and a healthy supply of pills and booze that is. Being a diehard “Jater” I think there is still some hope for all of our Losties. Stay tuned. DUDE!!

  121. Miraks says:

    Hurley saying he regreted going with Locke:
    I think that Hurely regreted going along with Locke, because it led to further interactions with Jacob (yet to be seen). Right after Hurley sees Jacob/ Jacob’s cabin, Locke appears. I think Jacob, realizing he could be seen by Hurley, send Locke out to get him to join him in some way. After Locke succeeds in getting Hurley to come with him, Hurley will be getting recruited by Jacob- probably somethig he does not want, since it seems that Jacob is willing to use force whenever he feels it is necessary, something Hurley would not like.

  122. +nate says:

    i really don’t think we should be too concerned with “they don’t have a kid” to figure out who was in the casket. if we learn anything from this show it’s that we NEVER know everything about any character, so locke having a kid would and could make perfect sense.

    i’m not convinced it was a child sized casket either. we need to verify that for sure.

  123. +nate says:

    also, no “child” would be listed as having “a son” either. so rule out the casket being for a young person.

    it’s not.

  124. Island Girl says:

    Someone please help me out here….new to the site. What is the Find815 all about? Who are Sam and Sonya?
    What are all these other little clips called missing pieces? Spots that didn’t air?
    Thanks

  125. lost sheriff says:

    [quote comment=”172627″]Jack is proving to be a first Class asshole (as I thought); he threatens to KILL three different people within the space of 2 episodes (Physician Heal thyself).
    HELLO PEOPLE; the coffin is child size, thus….not an adult!
    [/quote]
    Read the other comments before posting. The article Jack has about the ADULT MAN says he has a teenage son. So how is the ADULT MAN in the coffin a child?

  126. Meg says:

    Can Will or Nick do something about this thread? It’s becoming ridiculous. This isn’t the thread for coffin discussion. It’s for the latest episode. And people keep repeat what others have said over and over again. You two need to step up and clean this out. Seriously.

  127. Tina says:

    [quote comment=”172629″]Well it’s ABOUT FREAKIN’ TIME!! 8 months with no LOST. Now that is cruel and unusual punishment. That 1st hour was a joke – advertised as 2 hour season premiere. But the show was amazing! OK we know that Hurley can see dead people ( Charlie ) – but can Jack as well? Perhaps Kate is not alive but “here” as Charlie says. That would explain Jack’s despair in the future. That and a healthy supply of pills and booze that is. Being a diehard “Jater” I think there is still some hope for all of our Losties. Stay tuned. DUDE!![/quote]
    I’m pretty sure Kate’s alive in the flash forward sequence. How many ghosts do you know drive cars? I’m also pretty sure Jack’s despair characterized by his pill popping booze fueled attempts at surgery (like his Dad beofre him) is the result of his realization that he was sent to the Island for a reason (as yet to be told to us) and by leaving it, he lost his purpose. Purposelessness would definitely drive a man like Jack to self destuction.

  128. Johnny_Lost says:

    Did Jack Bury His Father in Season One I dont remember?

    Is it possible to say the Island Brought Jacks Dad back to Life?????

  129. scottc13 says:

    Does anyone else get a bad feeling about Ben being allowed to go with Locke, and return to the barracks? I mean, c’mon, he knows this place like the back of his hand, and has to have something up his sleeve to go so willingly with the person he shot and left for dead in a ditch.

    I can see his gears turning already. Bad idea Jack! I think Ben may be poised for a dramatic final stand!

  130. Meg says:

    [quote comment=”172643″]Does anyone else get a bad feeling about Ben being allowed to go with Locke, and return to the barracks? I mean, c’mon, he knows this place like the back of his hand, and has to have something up his sleeve to go so willingly with the person he shot and left for dead in a ditch.

    I can see his gears turning already. Bad idea Jack! I think Ben may be poised for a dramatic final stand![/quote]
    I think Locke can handle him. Maybe not as well as Jack, but I think Locke will do fine. I don’t think Ben has much power over anyone anymore.

  131. Johnny_Lost says:

    question?

    Seing how there is 6 numbers
    4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42
    6 Ocieanic survivors
    Perhaps if we can find out who was sitting in theses seat nukmbers on the plaine well maybe know the Idenity of the Six besides JAck,KAte,and HUrley????

  132. Austin says:

    Alright kids, WHAT DOES IT MATTER WHO IS IN THE COFFIN? i am pretty sure that we should be making theories that help explain the story better, and as far as i can tell, the story line is not contingent in any way to who is in the bloody coffin. we know that it’s someone Jack knows. do we NEED to know who it is? lets start asking questions that help our understanding, not our curiosity.

    There was someone earlier who mentioned that the eye in the cabin could in fact be hurley looking back at him. The writers love taking aspects from classic books/movies and this sounds exactly like the Sphere, and to be honest, think of people who have seen jacob/sphere. Ben and Locke (as far as we know). Both have connected to the island in a powerful way that has given them abilities that are possessed by the island (omnipotence as far as i can tell). Look for hurley developing a similar skill.

  133. LostinSev says:

    Did it seem that Jack recognized that man at the end who parachuted onto the island? Jack seemed more shocked to see him than relieved.

  134. Jocco says:

    It did seem like Jack recognized the parachuter. Maybe they’ve met before, like with Desmond.

    Maybe the Freighter Tots are on the island to repair/rebuild the Swan.

  135. +nate says:

    about the comment filtering:

    agreed, people need to stop reposting and asking the same question that 3 other people asked earlier in the thread. everyone needs to read everything, refresh, read the new posts – and THEN make their posts.

    however, saying that this thread is not about the casket is wrong. this thread is about lost, and what we’ve learned/gleaned from the latest episode IN RESPECT to past episodes. you’ll find themes re-popping up all of the time, this time it just happens to be the casket. i’ll even venture to say that the casket will be talked about regularly until we find out who’s in it – because it has now become one of the biggest mysteries in the lost world.

    what DOESN’T belong here are questions like “did you see alvar hanso in that one site thang?!?”

    but an overall post policing wouldn’t be bad.

  136. cody says:

    I think that Hurley is in the coffin. Many people say that the coffin is too small. There were some angles that made it look small. It’s all about the filming.
    In the flash foward last night, Jack and Hurley are playing basketball. Because of all the publicity Jack says he’s gonna grow a beard. Jack looked great in last night’s flash foward. The flash was before last season’s final flash forward. Kate didn’t want to probably because Hurley kills her love(Sawyer) or Hurley gets resecued and Sawyer doesn’t. And the reason no one showed up Hurley’s viewing was because he had no friends or family. He lived in a mental institute! Well, thinking about it, in the season finale Kate said “Well, I better get home to him.” Maybe meaning Sawyer. Great way to kick off LOST Season 4!!!

  137. Christina says:

    Okay, y’all might crucify me for this comment, but here goes…the mysterious eye we see pop up in the cabin? I watched it over and over and my conclusion is…Desmond. I mean, think about his “change” since the hatch implosion (an issue that hasn’t yet been fully discussed) and his newfound abilities- flashes, time-travel…why not being in two places at once (hello? quantum mechanics/physics…an ongoing theme)? And the guy in the chair…TOTALLY Christian Shephard. Gotta go back and check out flashbacks w/him in them from previous eps to see if he has on white sneakers- they totally focused on those as they panned up from the cabin floor.

    Agree with everyone who says Ben may be nobler (albeit his means may not justify his ends) than we all suspect. Locke is in commune with the island/Jacob/whatever and is in some way, doing it/his/whoever’s bidding.

    Jack is a way bad guy at this point, in my mind: pulled the trigger on Locke (in front of EVERYONE), totally dissed Hurley on the basketball court (didn’t really care how he was, just bullying him), self-centered and focused on getting himself off the island despite all the undeniable questions and concerns about the “rescuers”. I ask the obvious question about Jack: WHAT does he have to get back to so badly, off the island?

    Charlie was totally there at the mental institution. It was a moment much like the “visions” the Losties have had all the time on the island. Plus he made such emphasis on “I’m dead…but I’m also here.” Chilling. Time/space continuum stuff going on here again. He seemed perturbed that Hurley wouldn’t accept that this was possible.

    Good ep, not as great as the hype, but definitely enough to whet all of our appetites for the very short, next 7 eps!

  138. Laura says:

    I love the theory that the Oceanic 6 are all original losties. Whatever happened, whatever the ‘secret’ is that are being forced to keep in huge. I think it was something along the lines of a major catastrophe where only the 6 came out uninjured and whoever the final rescuers are convinced the 6 that the rest might as well be dead. I don’t think there is anyway that Hurley or Jack would have left behind their friends. Nevertheless although the 6 believed that their friends were goners 90%, that 10% is creeping back up on them and eventually causes them to freak out and want to go back (obviously it hits hurley first then jack then kate…). It almost reminds me of season 2 finale, where hurley is allowed to go back to his friends, but has to leave jack/sawyer/kate alone

  139. palO'Charlie says:

    [quote comment=”172581″]Ben can’t be in the coffin. The name in the article starts with “Jo”, although a name change could’ve happened, but the man who is in the coffinis from New York (Ben is from Portland) and has a teenage son. Please read ALL comments before commenting yourself. It’s in the guidelines.[/quote]
    So is be kind and helpful. I believe this is a free place to state your Lost theories without judgement. Chill out. There are plenty of postings here that have already been discussed time and time again. I think everyone is excited about the new season and wants to discuss it. Absolutely nothing wrong with that.

  140. RJ says:

    PeopleWhoever is in the coffin has special significance to Jack, but to noone else. That means the peson was disgraced in some way or disliked. When Jack talked to the director, he asked if the service was ofer. The man replie that there was no sercice. Therefor nobody went to the viewing. That is confirmed by Kate who replies to Jack that Why would she go? It is not a kid. There would be people grieving there!! It really has to be someone that we have not seen yet. Possibly someone that might have an answer of getting Jack back to the island, but now that he is gone, Jack has no chance at redemption.

  141. SuzySchool says:

    I think that the ones who get back to the “real world” have to lie about any others that chose to stay or were killed / died on the island. I think all those characters are listed in Oceanic’s records at dead from the accident. And it is killing them to lie about the ones who were left behind.

    I think Hurley is seeing things and is delusional….and the guy who poined out Charlie to him, a figment of Hurley’s own imagination.

  142. cody says:

    I still think that Hurley is in the coffin!

  143. scottc13 says:

    We are also all assuming that the term Oceanic 6 is the end of the story. They could simply be the first 6 to escape the island. There may be more held up with Locke at the barracks that the people from the freighter could not make it to because of the security system.

    I don’t think they all die, or even chose to remain. I think they may be stuck there because of their choice to stay with Locke. This could be part of reason that Hurley feels the need to go back. The guilt would proably get to him first.

    It is easy to forget there is more than the Main Losties that will need to be accounted for? Cindy, Zach, Emma, Weren’t the kids traveling without their parents, but heading home.

    I am glad Lost is finally back, because now my mind can run amuck with all the small stuff in the background I tend to forget, but somehow always sneaks up on us.

    For all we know, the real end of the show will be everyone returning to the island, and the flash forwards are simply the middle act of the story!

  144. Hammer says:

    Okay, question…Oceanic 6? What about all the extra survivors and losties running around in back ground? Are they all gonna die in a fight with the boat people? Are they all gonna follow Locke like sheep and stay behind?

    BTW here’s another answered: Two of the three losties known to be part of the Oceanic 6 have kept their real names and are identified as Oceanic survivors to the public. Looks like the idea that the plane was found with all the passengers dead didn’t happen.

  145. Pam says:

    Comment 61: I refer to him as the Oceanic Attorney because that’s is cover. And when we find out that he is not from Oceanic I can act like I didn’t expect it, it’ll be thrilling, really.
    Comment 62: Somehow I feel that the Lost producers will avoid a cliffhanger ending. But maybe a “cliffhanger” is subjective an everyone views the idea differently. I think Lost will end with everyone completely Found.
    Comment 83: I think in the scene Rosseau says to Ben something like, She’s not your daughter. This doesn’t mean he’s not the biological father of Alex, but by the tone of Rosseau, I thought she meant that Ben is not Alex’s dad in a more spiritual way.
    I think the Parachute guy could be the same guy on the other end of Namoi’s walkie-talkie/phone device.

  146. deangoodes says:

    I find it hard to believe that the Oceanic 6 that have made it back to civilization are keeping it secret about the rest of the people still being on the island because Jack AND Hurley both want to get back to the island themselves, presumably to help the other survivors.
    Also, in reference to an earlier post about why Hurley went with Locke instead of Jack, it was because he was honoring his best friend’s (Charlie’s) last actions to warn them about the boaties coming to harm them instead of rescuing them.
    Great observation by Jocco. Jack did seem surprised when he saw the face of the rescuer that dropped out of the helicopter.
    Sorry about this question; When did the clip about the plane found in the bottom of the ocean become public knowledge? Was it at some point last season?

  147. Pam says:

    Comment 61: I refer to him as the Oceanic Attorney because that’s is cover. And when we find out that he is not from Oceanic I can act like I didn’t expect it, it’ll be thrilling, really.
    Comment 62: Somehow I feel that the Lost producers will avoid a cliffhanger ending. But maybe a “cliffhanger” is subjective an everyone views the idea differently. I think Lost will end with everyone completely Found.
    Comment 83: I think in the scene Rosseau says to Ben something like, She’s not your daughter. This doesn’t mean he’s not the biological father of Alex, but by the tone of Rosseau, I thought she meant that Ben is not Alex’s dad in a more spiritual way.
    I think the parachute guy could be the same guy talking on the other end of Namoi’s walkie-talkie/phone device.

  148. deangoodes says:

    Someone posted that they were mad at how Jack tried to kill Locke by pulling the trigger on an empty gun, and they gave a pass to Ben in the same post; Don’t forget that Ben just shot Locke himself. And one thing I noticed towards the end of the show: Locked showed absolutely no symptoms of having been shot. He was lugging a backpack and getting up and down with no problems; Is that just because of the miracle curing powers of the island?

  149. Hammer says:

    Nice touch with Hugo doing the “Baywatch slow motion beach run”. He even had red on with boobs bouncing. :)

    I also noticed that Naomi is the new Patchy. There was a scene with her lying dead, eyes open with the dead stare, and ash skin…then poof she’s fine, then oh no…she’s dead again. She’ll pop up again. Just my opinion, but I hate when they go over the top to make you think someone is dead…like when Patchy had blood squirting from all the holes in his head, but was only stunned…bull spit!

  150. RJ says:

    I am not sure who said it earlier that we may not see too many flashbacks, becasue much of their stories have been told and we may now see more flash forwards. Going with that, I was thinking that we may also begin to have parallel stories (like with the Tailies) of the Ocianic 6 and those “remainders” on the island.

  151. ja5on says:

    The “him” kate refers to is probably a new-born son.
    why not?
    we don’t know how far ahead those flash-forwards go.

  152. LM says:

    [quote comment=”172608″]
    i definitely think oceanic is in on it somehow. and i also have a hunch that christian is in fact really alive. that would explain the trouble they [oceanic] gave jack about the coffin..[/quote]

    But how could oceanic be in on it? Desmond caused the flight to crash when he almost didnt press the button…Oceanic could not have predicted or planned that. After 3 seasons its hard to remember all the details that have passed… loved the episode!

  153. MH says:

    About the coffin. I freeze framed the obituary/story that Jack was reading from and the headline was Los Angeles and right under that: Man found… that was all I could read.

    So, the viewing that Jack went to was for a man.

    Thought I’d share.

  154. Paul says:

    “You all everybody!!!!” Charlie-boy. Nice to see you again!!

  155. lost05 says:

    As has been stated before…it is a man from New York with a teenaged son in the coffin.

    The whole obit was translated as:
    “The body of John Lantham of New York was found shortly after 4 am in the 4300 block of Grand Avenue. Ted Worden, a doorman at the Tower Lofts complex, heard loud noises coming from the victim’s loft. Concerned for tenants’ safety, he entered the loft and found the body hanging from a beam in the living room. According to Jaime Ortiz, a police spokesman, the incident was deemed a suicide after medical tests. Latham is survived by one teenaged son. Memorial services will be held at the Hoffs-Drawlar Funeral Home tomorrow evening.”

    How about LAST NIGHT’S episode?

  156. NikkiV says:

    [quote comment=”172723″]When did the clip about the plane found in the bottom of the ocean become public knowledge? Was it at some point last season?[/quote]

    You would have had to sit through the preview of the new Eli Stone show to see the “special announcement” from Oceanic Airlines. But basically it was a lot of stuff you have/can see on find815.com.

  157. dukewm says:

    It’s been a LONG time coming – Welcome Back

    OK – just caught up. Actually hard to believe there are “only’ 157 posts 19 hours after S4E1 ended, especially considering all the repeat questions.

    Random thoughts and some answers:

    Agree w/ Meg – this thread really ought to be concerned w/ S4E1 and NOT 50 theories/questions about who might be in the coffin. Some latitude must be permitted in an effort to tie things together BUT, Pleeeeeez read ALL comments BEFORE posting.

    As for the theory that the Oceanic 6 may have something to do with the “NUMBERS” (4, 8, 15, 16, 23 & 42) correlating with seat numbers on Flight 815: not bad, HOWEVER, we know that Jack sat in 23B and Anna Lucia sat in 42F and she is presumably dead. No other seat assignments have been revealed (to my recollection). Of course one of the Oceanic 6 may have also sat in row 42. I STILL think the “NUMBERS” have more significance as yet to be revealed.

    After rewatching Seasons 1, 2 and 3 Boxed Sets: It seemed like I was watching Eli Stone last night with some commercials for LOST. That REALLY was ANNOYING and there is NO way I’m watching that show.

    The “Eye” in the Cabin: Hard to tell – must watch again. Liked the Jack’s Dad observations.

    Oceanic Attorney: Agree on the “Freighter Tots” Representative theory. He seemed VERY interested in who else might have been left behind.

    “We Have To Go Back”: I think we all know most or all of the Oceanic 6 will return ?

    What is Jack (and Hurley) tired of lying about ? : Have they been concealing the fact that the other Losties are still stranded on the Island ? Are they afraid of criminal charges for what they have done ?

    Can’t wait

  158. natalie says:

    i think the coffin guy is John Locke. Lantham isn’t such a stretch for a fake last name. He did have sex with that one woman up until the point where she found out he was still seeing his father… so potentially he could have a teenage son we don’t yet know about. would also make sense why he was always so sensitive to the Michael/Walt connection. also explains why no one would come to the funeral…

  159. spiralturtle says:

    Okay, I know several people have complained about the coffin postings, but I have one fact to point out and then I’ll shut up.

    Several people have suggested that the body in the coffin is Hurley. A co-worker and I were discussing the episode and this blog and she said it couldn’t be Hurley — He is so well liked by the other survivors and his family that MANY people would have shown up at the funeral home.

  160. lost chicka says:

    [quote comment=”172525″]Why is everyone calling Hurleys visitor an attorney for Oceanic. He obviously isn’t. Hurley asks to see a business card, which Matthew conveniatly forgot at home. Then he asks if the others are alive. If he actually worked with Oceanic, he wouldn’t ask this, as it is Oceanic who is covering up the whole mess.[/quote]

    that’s what i was thinking. he works for somebody tho who knows about the island (like somebody on naomi’s side or dharma or mittelos science). unless of cousrse, he’s not real…

    – [quote comment=”172546″]Why did Locke say they had a traitor in their midst, Juliet? Does he know something that the audience doesn’t?[/quote]

    well i’ve been saying from the beginning juliet is worse then we think. she got started for the right reasons, but is now an other. once an other, always an other. but i thought he was talking about naomi. juliet makes more sense tho…

    the crash obviously brought the oceanic 6 fame (hurley was shouting it like it was a free pass, and people recocnized jack and wanted his autograph), and unlimited plane tickets (jack said something about a golden ticket in through the looking glass). it’s obviously a bribe to keep them quiet.

  161. lost chicka says:

    [quote comment=”172560″]My theory is that Desmond is working for the boaties. Probably be proven wrong quickly, but he may have made contact when he was out sailing trying to escape. He blows the hatch, hoping it will help the boaties find the island. Then, he helps turn off the jamming equipment, also to help the boaties. He lets the losties know about Charlie’s message because he doesn’t want to them to get hurt, but he could care less about the island. All as part of a deal to get Des back to Penny.[/quote]

    desmond blew up the hatch because he realized that the button needed to be pushed. locke would not allow him to push the button. so desmond blew up the hatch thinking he would die. it was not to get penny, it was to save everyone else.

  162. lost chicka says:

    [quote comment=”172562″]i was thrown off when ben was talking to danielle rousseau as if he really knew her. and we find out that alex is not ben’s daughter. i think that rousseau and ben have been in cahoots for years and SHE is that “traitor”. it really kind of fits, as she was the character that acted the strangest throught out the whole series thus far (IMO).[/quote]

    thats’ what i was thinking. it was like he knew her. maybe from childhood? possibly nicknamed annie? maybe we saw here in ben’s episode last year? hmm… i’m surprised he didn’t call her annie. but there’s somethin between danielle and ben that’s been there since she caught him in her net…

  163. Laura says:

    Does anybody else think the “Oceanic Attorney” looks familiar? I have some image of him in a suit motioning to someone to be quiet… my brother thought he remembered him too. I looked all over lostpedia… but still…

  164. Laura says:

    [quote comment=”172812″][quote comment=”172562″]i was thrown off when ben was talking to danielle rousseau as if he really knew her. and we find out that alex is not ben’s daughter. i think that rousseau and ben have been in cahoots for years and SHE is that “traitor”. it really kind of fits, as she was the character that acted the strangest throught out the whole series thus far (IMO).[/quote]

    thats’ what i was thinking. it was like he knew her. maybe from childhood? possibly nicknamed annie? maybe we saw here in ben’s episode last year? hmm… i’m surprised he didn’t call her annie. but there’s somethin between danielle and ben that’s been there since she caught him in her net…[/quote]

    yes but wasn’t Rousseau pregnant when she got onto the island. Or at least isn’t this what she told Sayid?

  165. MorBid0 says:

    [More Humor]
    maybe the coffin dweller is richard alpert. you know he is so old, once he got clear of the island… he shrunk down to the size of yoda!
    [End Humor]

  166. Jet Black says:

    What a terrible episode and what a terrible show Lost has become.

    And how is Hurley still such a fat ass?

  167. lost chicka says:

    - so who, exactly, are the freighter tots? are they working with dharma? whidimore? oceanic? an entirely different organization all together? why are they on the island? to set dharma back up? get rid of the others? something valuable on the island? get somebody on the island (like kate, sawyer, or sayid)? we need to speculate!

    – first episode i’ll admit,wasn’t my favorite, it just lacked “gravity” in some parts. but it did answer questions that were already said earlier and was good. i can’t wait though till next week.

    – get over the cofffin! yes, it’s a mystery, but that wasn’t in this episode. if ya wanna talk about it go back to the looking glass blog. you can’t figure out who’s in the coffin. there’s no real evidence for anybody being or not being in the coffin. wait till the coffin comes back up in an episode and then you can talk about it. but the coffin had nothing to do with this episode, and i’m sick of reading about it.

    – [quote comment=”172643″]Does anyone else get a bad feeling about Ben being allowed to go with Locke, and return to the barracks? I mean, c’mon, he knows this place like the back of his hand, and has to have something up his sleeve to go so willingly with the person he shot and left for dead in a ditch.

    I can see his gears turning already. Bad idea Jack! I think Ben may be poised for a dramatic final stand![/quote]

    i agree. ben is up to something.

  168. lost chicka says:

    This is really long, sorry:

    is it just me or has hurley gained some weight since last season?

    nobody can keep saying jack is a nice guy. he was going to kill locke! he pulled the trigger and the only reason he didn’t kill locke was cuz the gun was empty. last year he was willing to leave EVERYBODY behind and now he’s only the leader cuz kate brought him back, and he’s really into juliet (bad girls always turn good guys around). And he doesn’t listen to ANY of the warnings that he was given about who’s on the freighter. what does jack even have to get back to so badly? nothing. he has no wife, no love interest off the island (they’re both on the island), no family really (sure he has his mom, but she was really mad at him when he left). the only thing he has to get back to is his job.

    ben is totally a misunderstood good guy! he tries to do the right thing, he just does it the wrong way. and it’s easy to hate him since he’s the leader. but he’s smart, he’s a great con artist, and he knows how to get what he wants.

    i think jacob is gonna end up using locke…just like everybody else has. locke is very gullible, and i wouldn’t be surprised if that’s what happens.

    johnny_lost (comment 133): that gave me my first jaw dropper comment! that is brilliant!

    desmond in the cabin…interesting. but i think it’s hurley as said earlier on here. it makes sense that they’d show him looking in.

    about the oceanic 6 – if the general public is told everyone died, and i’m guessing everybody on the island has a funeral, who would believe they’re back? that would be as absurd as believing that the real charlie was visiting hurley. unless they’re a chosen few who were not reported dead (like jacob’s list).

    i’m tellin ya, the last episode of lost will end with the oceanic 6 on a plane. they end up on the island again (they either fly to the island or crash), and somebody says “we’re home.” and possliby survivors come out from the jungle.

    150: locke was cured of his gunshot wound by faith in jacob. that’s why he was in the cabin..idk, sometimes this show makes no sense with everybody getting shot, and going through sonic fences, and being unconcious more times then you can count, and being stabbed in the back…and never dying!

    i really want to know what jack and hurley are lying about too! who’s left on the island? afraid of criminal charges? (jack would be charged with attempted murder and hurley with murder, and there were magically cameras there to film both incidents, :) ) what’s on the island? what happened to the island? what happened on the island?

    and just really off subject here:

    why don’t somebody just make a frikin blog for y’all to comment on the frikin coffin! i’m getting annoyed with the fact that 120 of the 170 comments is about the damn coffin!

    eli stone was awesome…if you like high school musical. i don’t. it’s stupid. (sorry really off subject there)

  169. dancokrmc says:

    Am I the only one worried that I will have to sit through another episode of Eli Stone to see a quick Oceanic clip, the commercial was great but I am not sure if it is worth sitting through that show.

  170. SB says:

    Re: Naomi mentioning her sister– I wonder if it is possibly Penny. We know Penny was not aware of the boat, but it doesn’t mean one wasn’t sent in her name. Plus she is astranged from her father (I think? assume?) so maybe another family is trying to help her find Desmond without telling her? OR something like that?

  171. SB says:

    Sorry meant to say “another family member”

  172. Hermy says:

    I definitely like the Oceanic 6 = the NUMBERS for seats. Wouldn’t it be cool if the letters with the seats spelled something or connected the person in that seat to someone or…something!

    Very neato, Johnny Lost!

  173. Enik the all-knowing sleestak says:

    The mysterious powers of the island are sometimes trapped or confined by it’s inhabitants. We know they use a combination of special technology and divine ability. Examples of this are many, such as the fence to keep out the smoke, or the ash outline surrounding Jacob’s cabin. The electromagnetic properties and the final pulse was constrained by technology created by the DHARMA initiative for the grand purpose of the SWAN station.

    Over time, different groups have come to the island, and have had a different level of control or understanding of these powers. Some have come to exploit them, some have been summoned and are there seemingly by accident. This new group, thought to be rescuers by passengers of 815, are possibly on an aggressive mission to uncover one of the island’s many different phenomena. Each group that knowingly comes to the island believes that their reason is just, or more correct.

    Ben has come to the island at a young age and can exploit his inside knowledge of the island from DHARMA for his own selfish gain. Locke has some connection as well, and is just beginning to learn how to work with the island’s special properties. Desmond is enlightened beyond the boundaries of ordinary concepts of space and time.

    The island may be the nexus of the universe, or able to somehow shift in and out of different times, but be that as it may, it is cyclically involved in a power struggle between various groups who have come to learn of it’s existence whether seemingly by accident or by hunting for it. I contend that the island really rescued the passengers so that they could save it from these outside forces.

    In the season finale of season 3 and this new season’s premiere, we have learned that these “Oceanic 6″ maybe weren’t meant to leave after all, and are being called back by the island to save it. They have crossed paths with another version or thread of time whereby flight 815 crashed into nearby water without any survivors.

    Charlie is indeed standing there next to Hurley. Hurley may be suffering from other hallucinations, but Charlie exists in this time because either Hurley has stepped off the island in a different time thread, or Charlie has. The Oceanic airline flight, number 815 leaving Australia, did crash in this time, but into the water near the island, not on it. The six who have returned are not the same six that were on board when the plane crashed into the water. Charlie is by nature a hero, and perhaps like Desmond, has been recruited to make things right. They were not supposed to leave!

    Hurley is convinced of this fact. Soon Jack will also believe this and will need to convince Kate. Flash-forwards will show Jack with and without a beard to help the viewer understand at what point in the future (in this time thread) that the story is taking place.

  174. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment=”172836″]Re: Naomi mentioning her sister– I wonder if it is possibly Penny. We know Penny was not aware of the boat, but it doesn’t mean one wasn’t sent in her name. Plus she is astranged from her father (I think? assume?) so maybe another family is trying to help her find Desmond without telling her? OR something like that?[/quote]
    I don’t think Penny is estranged from her father, but we don’t know that for sure.

    Penny doesn’t know Naomi – in the season 3 finale, when she’s talking to Charlie at the Looking Glass Station, she says “Who’s Naomi?”

  175. cody says:

    I still think that Hurley is in the coffin. Comment 169-I do believe the producers wanted the basketball secne to shade some new light on the coffin. look at comment 138 for my explaination.

  176. HURLEY says:

    I am not in the coffin

  177. Christina says:

    Good job Enik…wow! way convincing. I love the space/time theory possibilities.

    Also, anyone been able to decipher the whispers Hurley heard outside the cabin this time? I’m not that technologically advanced and rely on others to do these fantastic analyses… :)

  178. Babsala says:

    When Hurley was in the interogation room, did anyone else see that there was a message on the hand of the swimmer in the 2 way window scene? I think it says We miss you on the hand of the swimmer. Just another nagging message for Hurley to return to the island?

  179. cb says:

    In regards to the “who did hurley see in the cabin” discussion…Did anyone go frame by frame like I did through the season 4 teaser commercial they were running last month. It flashed a bunch of weird images towards the end and one of them seemed to be a deformed skull, almost elephant man-esque. And when I rewatched the season 3 dvd trying to get a good look at Jacob, it kinda looked like his face was deformed, it looked the same way last night if that was him in the window. What do you think?

  180. Miss Kim says:

    My mind is really spinning. I’ll try to focus on the Oceanic 6. I think that the 6 are the 6 people who most desperately needed the path of their life before the island to be be altered. Possibly the chance to leave on an altered path–Hurley didn’t win the lottery, Kate hadn’t killed anyone, etc. (I wonder if the “he” Kate was referring to when speaking to Jack in the flash forward, “He’ll be wondering where I am”, was the very man she killed in an alternate reality.) Sawyer and Sayid have good reason to choose to live their pre-island life differently. And the 6th? Hard to tell. Claire and Aaron are “good with the universe”, as are Rose and Bernard. John Locke? Well, he appears to be one with the island, but who knows? Ben could always “switch spots” with John and return as one of the Oceanic 6….

    I liked the post that it was Hurley’s eye looking out at Hurley at Jacob’s cabin. Alternate reality type of thing….supports time/space theories. Charlie being “dead” and “being here”…..I think that this is ultimately where it’s all headed. I’ve been buffing up on my limited knowledge of Quantum Physics. So much to think about….. Schrodinger’s cat and the observer effect…… I keep thinking back to the significance of Adam and Eve? (corpses in the cave) Do Jack and Kate just keep trying to get it right until they die on the island? Brilliant show. Brilliant.

  181. Christina says:

    Charlie’s hand on the window in the interrogation room said, “They need you,” as per the Lost video podcast. Which he says later in conversation with Hurley.

    Decent show last night, but I’m digging the theories out here…!

  182. DrL says:

    166 I remember that too, that Rousseau was pregnant when she got to the island and Ben kidnapped her baby from her. That’s why she said he’s not her father.

    When Hurley says to Jack that he should have gone with him and not with Locke and that he’s sorry… I’m confused. How did he get to be one of the Oceanic 6 if he went with Locke?

  183. DrL says:

    ALSO… when Kate says that there’s someone back home who will be wondering where she is, it could be her son whom she had in the intervening years since she slept with Sawyer… just a thought.

  184. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment=”172866″]
    When Hurley says to Jack that he should have gone with him and not with Locke and that he’s sorry… I’m confused. How did he get to be one of the Oceanic 6 if he went with Locke?[/quote]
    I may be wrong, but I expect that there will be several more episodes before we see anyone actually leave the island – plenty of time for allegiances to switch. But then again, just because someone chose to go with Locke doesn’t mean they won’t get rescued. It just means that at that moment, they were skeptical about the intentions of the people on the freighter.

  185. Lesley says:

    I agree with Enik, Charlie died and also Charlie is with Hurley becuse they are in a different time layer in the flash forward. When Jack and Hurley talk of going back they really mean going back into the island’s time layer, not necessarily going physically back to the island in the here and now of the flash forward. (I think the flash forwards are the middle of the story.) In addition, we know that Desmond shifted the time space continuum every time he saved Charlie so the question is how did that affect the past, and future of each character? Remember Locke’s Season 1 speech about how everyone was on the island for a reason? Can you say foreshadowing? I have always thought that at the end of the program the survivors would be the island’s “new” Others, it will be interesting to see if that is the case. I also wonder if the O6 didn’t actually choose to leave but somehow had that decision forced upon them. The big question is who are the other 3… maybe they aren’t who we would think (e.g. Sun, Jin and Claire). Perhaps if we know all 6 it will give us a clue as to what actually went down, and I bet it was not pretty. What did Jack say? Forgive me? The Christian Shepard thing has me stumped though. Last season I was convinced that Jacob was the island and ultimately that it needed Locke to survive. It is looking like Jacob needs Hurley too, and Jack and Kate. All we can do is hope the writer’s strike ends so we are not forced to wait another eight months pondering these questions! I am so ready for next week.

  186. Bobola says:

    I think the request to be kind and helpful comes first!
    So; lost sheriff and meg; chill out—you are taking yourselves way too seriously and also this show. Don’t take the fun out of it by acting like it’s something Holy.
    If you don’t like a comment; move on.
    The casket was commented on so many times because it’s shown again this episode; simple!
    If you have time to read every comment in detail and retain all of it…then you probably need to get a Life.
    Don’t get thine panties in a twist and scroll forward.

  187. lostboy says:

    Okay, here are some of my thoughts.
    i think the woman who needs spinal surgery at the end of S3 is juliet’s sister…the boy would be about the same age (8) with that scraggly beard that Jack has.

    I think the casket has Locke in it.. Jack feels bad for going against him and realizes that the island did have a better quality. Remember Locke doesn’t have a family with him. Hurley apologizes to Jack for going with Locke, hence no one shows up to the funeral.

    Last nights episode was great and can’t wait to rewatch it later.

  188. deputy dawg says:

    [quote comment=”172877″]I think the request to be kind and helpful comes first!

    If you don’t like a comment; move on.
    [/quote]
    Why not take your own advice? On both counts.

    [quote comment=”172877″]The casket was commented on so many times because it’s shown again this episode; simple!
    [/quote]
    Um, no, the casket was not in this episode.

  189. jacksgirl says:

    i haven’t read all the posts but Kate is definitely alive during the flash forwards. I think what happens is kind of a domino effect of people wanting to go back to the island, beginning with Hurley. When Jack sees him, he says ” im thinking about growing a beard”, which is what happens in the last ep of season 3, and when he loses it and tells kate the same thing hurley tells him, WE HAVE TO GO BACK… little by little, the oceanic 6 fall apart and realize one by one that they REALLY DO have to go back !

  190. xxitsxnadyaxx says:

    [quote comment=”172575″][quote comment=”172570″]remind me again, who is Mikhail?[/quote]

    Mikhail is the guy who ran the communications tower for the Others. He was “killed” by Locke when he was thrown into the sonic fence, and he died again when he used a grenade to blow the window to Charlie’s room that killed Charlie.[/quote]

    don’t forget him being stabbed with a harpoon inside “the looking glass”! haha and he still lived

  191. intolost says:

    Hi all,
    Questions:
    1. Please fill me in on the find815.com Is this important to catch up on? I haven’t watched.
    2. What about Richard Alpert????? Did he get blown up on the beach? Is he still at the Others’ barracks? Can’t he go back and forth between civilization and the island? Where is he?
    3. What about all the tail section people that I guess “became” part of the Others? Are they at the barracks? What about them? Locke said he was heading back there because it was now vacant. Did they all vacate? If so, where are they?
    4. Was Charlie leaving the show all a bluff since he showed up on the S4 premiere? Will we see him again? I hope so.

    comment–I think Juliet’s okay. She was reading Carrie. In the novel, Carrie was tormented. I think Juliet has felt tormented and has now truly joined the losties.

  192. lalalalalost says:

    alas i’ve scrolled to the bottom! attempted to read all the posts and am now too tired to go back and pick out which ones i’m referring to…

    • i don’t think the eye in the cabin is hurley’s…he jumped back right after that frame as if he saw it…and it appeared to me that it was in the cabin.
    • totally LOVE the idea that the mysterious numbers are the seat numbers are the “oceanic 6″. but of course that is one of their many meanings, since they’ve already represented a few things already…(hurley’s lottery, the code for the computer, it was engraved on the hatch…etc. are there other times the numbers were mentioned that i’m missing?)
    • i’m new to this blog and to a lot of these other lost sites (find815.com) but in the “oceanic golden pass” commercial…the dude that creepily keeps breaking in on the commercial…does anyone else notice/think that he is the guy that parachutes down at the end of last night’s episode??!
    • as for the whole finding the plane with the bodies inside thing…i don’t think it has anything to do directly with the “lost” storyline, i just think it’s a cover up for oceanic airlines and a glimpse of what’s going on in the world outside of the island while the survivor’s are on the island…thus naomi’s comment about the plane/bodies being found on the news.
    • um, did anyone else think it was kind of awesome/comical how jack “would have” shot locke?

    ok lost fans, make a blog newbie feel welcome and please acknowledge my post/questions :)

  193. NikkiV says:

    [quote comment=”172917″]Hi all,
    Questions:
    1. Please fill me in on the find815.com Is this important to catch up on? I haven’t watched.

    3. What about all the tail section people that I guess “became” part of the Others? Are they at the barracks? What about them? Locke said he was heading back there because it was now vacant. Did they all vacate? If so, where are they?[/quote]

    I think you should definitely check out find815 just for good measure. Also about the “tailies”…most of them have died, mainly by murderous means. Ana-Lucia, Libby, Mr. Eko. One of the only ones who has survived is Bernard, Rose’s husband. I’m sure it is significant. I can’t remember who the rest of the “tailies” were but they have incorporated themselves into the “losties.”

  194. Axolotl says:

    Jacob is the one taking the shape of dead people and appearing to the living, pretending to be them. He is also the black smoke, he was Yemi to Eko, he was Boone to Locke, he was Ben’s mom to Ben, and now he is Charlie to Hurley. Jacob wants people to do stuff, the best way is to pretend to be the ghost of someone a particular person loved or was attached to and lead the way.

    It is highly unlikely that the seat numbers and the Oceanic 6 are connected, because we know Ana Lucia was in row 42 and she’s dead, and everyone else from the tail died except for the ones the Others took, who would have no reason at all to go back to civilization. Bernard’s seat wasn’t in the tail, he was in the bathroom when the plane crashed. The Oceanic 6 have to be people that were on the plane when it crashed, otherwise Oceanic would have no need to publicize the rescuing of a person who wasn’t on their plane when it crashed, meaning they have nothing to do with that person being on the island.

    Hurley, Jack, Kate, and the mystery 3 that also left are lying about other people being alive on the island. I’m guessing Jack never tells the Freighties about the rest of the survivors for some reason that we haven’t seen yet. That would explain the question from the Oceanic guy who visits Hurley, they suspect it but they can’t prove it, and they probably can’t find the island again either, much like Jack was trying to do at the end of last season. Jacob (in Charlie form) is trying to get them back to the island, making Hurley go crazy, then probably appearing to Jack as his father to make him go crazy too, and so on, leading to their deaths. That is why no one shows up at the funeral, probably not the first funeral for one of the Oceanic 6, as everyone who becomes convinced that they need to get back to the island alienates the rest of the survivors before they die.

    Can’t wait until the next episode!

  195. Rowman25 says:

    I have been able to find anything about this yet, but has anybody been able to decifer what the voice is saying as Hurley is approaching Jacob’s cabin? It sounds like somebody repeating something in a foreign language.

  196. DrL says:

    I re-watched a bit of it last night and think that the name of the African American man who pretends to be an attorney for Oceanic Air is muffled on purpose. Can anyone make it out? And did you notice that he left some black dust on the door as he left the hospital (after Hurley figured out he wasn’t really with Oceanic air). This was the guy who offered him an “upgrade” to a better hospital. So, what’s his name?? It was so garbled it sounded to me like something like on those Beatles albums that if you played it backwards it would mean something.

  197. DrL says:

    ANSWERED MY OWN QUESTION.
    His name is Matthew Abaddon. And Abaddon is like another name for the devil or some lesser demon.

    Now also looked up Minkowski. Is he the guy who parachuted down? Or is he the eye patch guy? I think the guy who helicoptered and Minkowski was one of Einstein’s teachers and he developed a theory of space and time.

  198. Bobola says:

    The Dawg drooled;

    [/quote]
    Um, no, the casket was not in this episode.[/quote]

    So you’re into splitting dog hairs;
    The casket was on this week at least; after 8 months…if not in the new episode then it was shown again. Pretty much the same thing; all of a whole.
    Unless there’s some pretty fancy lens work; the casket is not full size, so is the body a little person?
    I’m all for inclusion so maybe a Little Person will show up soon. Otherwise there’s a real contradiction in the show. Of course it always could be Vincent the dog who understands English and is sent to wake up Jack.
    Woof!
    I’m still hoping someone can come up with a plausible explanation for why Charlie let himself drown, which is what he did as he was not trapped. The only thing I can come up with is that he thought he HAD to die for the other Losties to be saved according to the “prophecy”.
    Even though Patchy might have been finished off by the grenade I’m hoping not as he’s one bad ass dude I’d enjoy seeing more of. He must have some strong reason for his loyalty to Ben.
    Sayeed sure didn’t have much of a part in the new episode—he’s usually the smartest one so I hope he steps up soon. Why did he chose to follow dopey Jack who has a Messianic streak?
    Someone commented that I was mad at Jack but not Ben when both have transgressed. Well, the Doc supposedly has a Hippocratic oath but Ben seems to be doing Bad for Good ends…maybe not truly justified but villans are still more interesting to me than fake heroes. I’m rooting for Ben to be proved right in the end. And maybe he stole his “daughter” away because Mum is obviously a bit Koo-Koo.
    Dumbass Jack can’t even kill himself without screwing up someone else’s life. Any intelligent Doctor knows how to off themselves with a syringe; they don’t need to make a mess jumping off a bridge. It’s just not kind or helpful to the ambulance staff.

  199. da trill says:

    Actually, unless the writers have got sloppy, which is always a possibility, there are at least seven castaways that made it home. Here’s my logic. When Hurley uses the term “Oceanic Six” it is a nickname that he expects the police to recognize. In other words, it acknowledges the publicly known survivors of Oceanic flight whatever who made it back home. Kate cannot be a member of this group unless the writers have tread far into the territory of implausibility or forgetfulness. Kate is wanted for cold-blooded murder as well as implicated in another death. Yet she is free in the last episode of season three, though Jack apparently meets with her in a discreet place by the airport and she cannot stay long. Why? Because she’s back in the U.S. living secretly with the world thinking she’s dead.

    Actually, unless the writers have got sloppy, which is always a possibility, there are at least seven castaways that made it home. Here’s my logic. When Hurley uses the term “Oceanic Six” it is a nickname that he expects the police to recognize. In other words, it acknowledges the publicly known and famous survivors of Oceanic flight whatever who made it back home. Kate cannot be a member of this group unless the writers have tread far into the territory of implausibility or forgetfulness. Kate is wanted for cold-blooded murder as well as implicated in another death. Yet she is free in the last episode of season three, though Jack apparently meets with her in a discreet place by the airport and she cannot stay long. Why? Because she’s back in the U.S. living secretly with the world thinking she’s dead.

    This might explain why Jack and Kate are not together. It may also explain why Jack made a deal (speculating here) with the devil to allow Kate to return home secretly so she could stay out of jail. I would find it very difficult to believe that a murder suspect returned home and authorities just shrugged and said she’s been through so much, let her go free. Plus if Jack and Hurley are celebrities, there’s no plausible way Kate could have escaped the media attention that would have piqued the interest of some law enforcement official somewhere. When she asks why she would to whoever’s funeral Jack attended, she may have simply been pointing out the obvious that if she showed herself in a setting that would connect her to the flight survivors, her freedom wouldd be toast. I’ve had tremendous trouble believing that Kate can’t wait to be rescued, knowing that jail likely awaits her back home. Or are we just supposed to forget what we’ve already seen?

  200. Rinnie says:

    ok here it goes….

    1. you cannot get off the island until u die so in a sense when u die u r rescued

    2. kate is not one of the oceanic six becuase she would have been arrested and last season’s finale made it clear she wasnt so she snuck back to “reality”, so really 7 got off the island

    3. libby is in the coffin bcuz it was rather small and kate wouldnt care about her funeral

  201. deangoodes says:

    I believe Kate could be allowed to be free when she gets back to civilization. If I remember correctly, the only person she killed was her stepdad, who beat her mom and came on sexually towards her. If the authorities believe her story about her mom’s lover/husband/boyfriend then they could justify letting her go free after all she went through in the crash aftermath.
    Also want to shout out to all the posters that go the extra mile and compare eyes and look back through all the episodes to find minute details that some of us don’t get a chance to. It is really helpful for me to become totally up to speed on the Lost events. Thank you.

  202. Miraks says:

    1. Please stop saying that the casket is small. It is regular size. Thew writers have confirmed this, and there was tons of discussion on it last year!!

    2. Kate could be one of the 6. If you remmeber, Dez was able to flash to times BEFORE the flight crashed and change things (i.e. at the bar). Maybe our returned 6 did the same and now are living in a changed time-line. Hence, Kate did not murder anyone and the reason she doesn’t want to get back is because she does not want that “murderess” life anymore. Or, the “he” she was refering to might be her husband (whom she did not leave). The surgery Jack is to perform on “her” is his future wife (maybe it does not work out this time). Jack’s father could be alive in this time line. etc…

    3. Also, Charlie could be alive here, same as Dez was in his altered flashbacks. He ran into Charlie (remember) and told him he knew him fromt the island, but Charlie had no clue who he was. Could be something similar with Charlie now- he is dead, but he isn’t.

  203. Scott Rolen says:

    Quick Question/Observation: We now have meet, in person, 3 of the Oceanic 6: Jack, Kate and Hurley. Looking back over the previous 2 episodes, we know that leaving the island and the subsequent cover-up story have exerted a tremendous negative impact on the physical and/or emotional well-being on two of the three characters (Jack and Hurley) and a need to return to the Island. Kate, however, seemed much better adjusted to her return and less guilty than Jack and Hurley. Why do you think there is this difference between Jack and Hurley and Kate?

    Thank you.

  204. deangoodes says:

    Scott Rolen, My opinion is Kate was trying to hide the fact she doesn’t have it together to help Jack cope with his issues. Anyone else?

  205. lost chicka says:

    175: i love it. not convinced that there are different timelines, i think it was a govenment cover up. alternate timelines tho would make sense with lost. but there is absolutly a power strugle over the island. i agree that the freighter tots are there to control the island, or control something on the island. and i think you’re right that jack is gonna have to convince kate that they need to return to the island, and that they’re there to protect it (or at least locke is). really good theory.

    187: i think the flashbacks are the middle of the story too. i agree that the losties at the end will become the new “others” or will end up with the others.

    191: i think you’re right on that whole thing. great comment.

    193: yeah, what did happen to alpert? i know CBS won’t let the guy who plays him come back to lost, but how is Lost gonna explain that one?

  206. lost chicka says:

    anybody think the “upgrade” the black dude was trying to get hurley to take was possibly on the island? ya know like he’s trying to recruit hurley to come back to the island because he could see jacob? the upgrade hospital has an ocean view after all.

    charlie let himself drown to be sure that claire and aaron were rescued, but then he knew it wouldn’t rescue them…so, why did he drown? i guess to save desmond even tho with how big the station is it would’ve taken a long time to fill up…

    i think sayid doesn’t go with locke cuz those 2 don’t have the best relationship. locke knocked sayid out and smashed up his equipment, and sayid didn’t think they should open up the hatch in s1. last season they were bickering in many episodes (like in enter 77 and the one after that and a couple others). sayid is a lot more of a scientifilogically thinking person then locke, too. those 2 just don’t mesh well.

    villains are ALWAYS more interesting then fake heroes. cuz villains are always harder to figure out then heroes.

  207. Jenifer M says:

    [quote comment=”171877″]Who do you think is in coffin?[/quote]

    I think that it is Ben.

  208. lost chicka says:

    the screen caps of that eye are the creepiest pics i’ve seen (go to dark ufo they have tons of great screen caps). it’s not hurleys (i was wrong =[ ) and it’s definitly brown. i think it might be desmond’s or jacob’s. but why is jacob looking like christian? last season he didn’t. is he just taking on a new form?

  209. katesFriend says:

    ok, so i saw the basic idea about this on lostpedia, don’t want to steal anyone’s ideas, but just think it would open up a good discussion here:

    Charlie talks to Penny in the looking glass, she says “Naomi who?” and she didn’t send a boat

    Then, sometime after that conversation, Penny recruits/discovers a woman named Naomi and sends her (and others) to find the island to get Desmond

    B/c the real world and the island are on different times, Charlie actually brought Naomi to the island by telling Penny she was already there

    This explains why Naomi had the pic of Desmond and Penny

    This is of course, all assuming the people onthe freighter will save at least desmond

    Thoughts?

  210. yogamom says:

    Remember when Hurley and Sayid are sitting on the beach thying to listen to music and they finally get some? Sayid says “It could be coming from anywhere” and Hurley says, “Or any time. Just kidding, dude.” That supports the different time thread theory and the producers thought that clip was important enough to put in the previews.

  211. JamieGirl says:

    Did we ever find out how Naomi knew Desmond’s name? And why / how she got a picture of Des & Penny? Also, this is a longshot but could Naomi’s sister be Nadia, Sayid’s ex-girlfriend? She appeared in two random flashbacks (1) Locke was a home inspector and inspected her home (2) Charlie saved her from a mugger to which she told Charlie he was a hero.
    Also, the person in the coffin died of what was determined a suicide… so if it is Ben, he did not die from his spinal tumor.

  212. JamieGirl says:

    sorry I posted the same ideas/theories twice, it didn’t show up the first time.

  213. Pam says:

    Comment 170: Just because Jack’s a “good guy” doesn’t mean he can’t get mad once in awhile. Also I bet Jack is feeling some inner conflict over Kate and Juliet. Inner conflict can always lead in anger issues, etc. AND I think Charlie at the psych hospital was a figment of Hurley and that other dude’s imagination.
    Comment 211: That’s brilliant!

  214. Pam says:

    [quote comment=”173550″]ok, so i saw the basic idea about this on lostpedia, don’t want to steal anyone’s ideas, but just think it would open up a good discussion here:

    Charlie talks to Penny in the looking glass, she says “Naomi who?” and she didn’t send a boat

    Then, sometime after that conversation, Penny recruits/discovers a woman named Naomi and sends her (and others) to find the island to get Desmond

    B/c the real world and the island are on different times, Charlie actually brought Naomi to the island by telling Penny she was already there

    This explains why Naomi had the pic of Desmond and Penny

    This is of course, all assuming the people onthe freighter will save at least desmond

    Thoughts?[/quote]
    Brilliant!

  215. Pam says:

    Is it my computer or does this website hate me?

  216. lost chicka says:

    kate’sfriend – hmmm…cool. so what else then has desmond changed by saving charlie? and how much time has passed since the crash in the real world? (but then how can naomi be there if penny hadn’t sent her yet?) it makes sense. that time when sayid & hurley were listening to the music on the beach and sayid says “it could be coming from anywhere” then hurley says “or any time, just kidding dude) has always given me chills.

    pam: yeah, but good guys don’t attempt murder now do they? (sawyer can get away with it tho cuz he’s a bad@$$ and charlie cuz it was for claire & locke cuz he was trying to save the group)

  217. Liz says:

    The future Jack mentions his father a few times as if he were alive: once to the pharmacist (“my father wrote the prescription) and then to the other doctor–something like ” if I’m drunker than my father down the hall…” If his father died in Australia way back when, then this is either a warped future, or some sort of time travel weirdness. That was the future Jack, wasn’t it?

  218. Christina says:

    211: OMG…crazy. and totally possible!

  219. Flyinglost says:

    [quote comment=”173762″][quote comment=”173550″]ok, so i saw the basic idea about this on lostpedia, don’t want to steal anyone’s ideas, but just think it would open up a good discussion here:

    Charlie talks to Penny in the looking glass, she says “Naomi who?” and she didn’t send a boat

    Then, sometime after that conversation, Penny recruits/discovers a woman named Naomi and sends her (and others) to find the island to get Desmond

    B/c the real world and the island are on different times, Charlie actually brought Naomi to the island by telling Penny she was already there

    This explains why Naomi had the pic of Desmond and Penny

    This is of course, all assuming the people onthe freighter will save at least desmond

    Thoughts?

    Pam that actually answers my question as to why and how Naomi even had a picture of Des and Penny in the first place.

    …also I just wanted to say that I’ve been watching Lost from day one and I’ve been reading everything on lostblog.net ever since. I realized that I was missing so much until I really paid attention to what you guys were saying here. I finaly feel brave to jump in with the big guys!…This is my far the best LOST community out there!
    PEACE:)

  220. intolost says:

    Hmm…yeah, maybe there were two rescues. I think Hurley went with Locke originally. When Hurley sees Charlie at Santa Rosa, it takes place between the “original” rescue and a second rescue when he does go with Jack! That’s why he was able to tell Jack he was sorry he went with Locke. Hurley ends up on the island again, then goes with Jack on the next rescue. Maybe the messed up, desperate to go back Jack and Kate do go back to the island and that’s when there is a second rescue that includes Hurley. Something bad happens on the island between the two rescues. That’s what Jack asked Hurley about, if he was going to tell…

  221. spiralturtle says:

    [quote comment=”173764″]Is it my computer or does this website hate me?[/quote]

    I’ve accidentally posted twice too — you need to wait awhile for the website to upload your commments (sometimes –other times it’s quick, I guess depending upon how much traffic their server is handling.

    Hey Will — since so many comments are about the coffin, how about a separate coffin thread?

  222. spiralturtle says:

    Going back to some of the religious thesems in Lost, I looked up Abaddon in Wikipedia and was blown away. Abaddon refers to many shades of the same thing. It refers to a demon or to Satan himself, and the Destroyer. He was also called the Angel of the Pit (read: the black hole Lost theory) and as the pit (hell) itself, a place instead of a name. This could be the writers hinting at the black hole theory.

    And here’s a quote from Wikipedia:

    “Not long after Judeo-Christian teachings taught the name of this demon, Abaddon referred to the pit or cave that was used in mystery religions and schools as a rite of passage into the greater mysteries. Often the experience would entail the use of ritual substances that put the aspirant into an altered state in which he or she could receive divine revelation. Because the experience was sometimes unpleasant, this rite came to be viewed as being “hellish.” However, it was considered absolutely necessary so that the seeker may become pure enough to encounter the “mind of God”, as an angel is described as the “Angel of the bottomless pit who binds Satan for a thousand years”… His Tarot symbol is the one of judgement

    This description of Abaddon seems to describe the role of the island, judging the Losties and putting them through a difficult initiation before they can “see the Mind of God”; or, in this case, to see the truth behind the island.

    The paragraph also describes Abaddon not as a demon and evildoing detroyer, but as force that destoys and binds evil after some sort of apocalyptic event that cleanses the earth. This seems to refer to the events unfolding on the island right now, as well as to the virus from season 1 that was meant to save the world by killing a large proportion of the population.

    Anyone else have any comments on this?

  223. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment=”172917″]Hi all,
    2. What about Richard Alpert????? Did he get blown up on the beach? Is he still at the Others’ barracks? Can’t he go back and forth between civilization and the island? Where is he?
    [/quote]
    The last we saw him, in the S3 finale, Ben said to him “You’re going to take everyone to the temple as planned.” So presumably he’s alive, and not at the barracks, and can’t go back to civilization because, supposedly, Locke blew up their sub.

  224. Johnny_Lost says:

    WAIT!!!

    Just And Idea Popped in my Head….
    Was there a date on the obituary That Jack had?

    If so… Can we some How Determine the Date or time fram of when they get of the Island?

    Do we know How many days they been on the Island from the Date they Crashed?????
    I know it was Sept something?????

    Any One????????????????

  225. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment=”172986″]I have been able to find anything about this yet, but has anybody been able to decifer what the voice is saying as Hurley is approaching Jacob’s cabin? It sounds like somebody repeating something in a foreign language.[/quote]
    According to Lostpedia, the whispers have been deciphered as saying:

    “You have to believe it’s me, Nikki”
    “Shush”
    “Did anyone say something?”
    “I said nothing”
    “You better not say a f**king thing or talk about Desmond”
    “It’s Me”

    “I’m not going to listen to them”
    “It’s January 7th”
    “I see somebody”
    “Do you recognize him?”

  226. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment=”173246″]
    3. libby is in the coffin bcuz it was rather small and kate wouldnt care about her funeral[/quote]
    Libby was already dead and buried on the island so it’s doubtful there would be a funeral back in the US. Also, the newspaper clipping said the person who died was a man.

  227. Johnny_Lost says:

    Ok I ll try this again im sorry if this is posted twice

    Wait!!!!

    Did the Obituary have a Date on it that Jack Had????

    If so can we used that date and the date they crashed on the Island, and the number of days on the Island to determine when they are rescued??????

  228. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment=”173258″]I believe Kate could be allowed to be free when she gets back to civilization. If I remember correctly, the only person she killed was her stepdad, who beat her mom and came on sexually towards her. If the authorities believe her story about her mom’s lover/husband/boyfriend then they could justify letting her go free after all she went through in the crash aftermath.
    [/quote]
    But didn’t Kate’s mother already die? I thought Kate visited her in the hospital when she was close to death (in a season 1 flashback).

  229. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”174308″][quote comment=”173258″]I believe Kate could be allowed to be free when she gets back to civilization. If I remember correctly, the only person she killed was her stepdad, who beat her mom and came on sexually towards her. If the authorities believe her story about her mom’s lover/husband/boyfriend then they could justify letting her go free after all she went through in the crash aftermath.
    [/quote]
    But didn’t Kate’s mother already die? I thought Kate visited her in the hospital when she was close to death (in a season 1 flashback).[/quote]
    More importantly, if the authorities believed her, they wouldn’t have chased her to Austrailia. The show will eventually explain why she is able to be free. In fact, I am guessing that Kate isn’t part of the Oceanic 6. She has to be part of the cover up.

  230. Johnny_Lost says:

    Ok soo that Picture thats says OCEANIC AIRLINES with the girl on the front and the Plane flying over

    couple Questions?

    in the lowerleft hand corner there’es a message that says “I am The Monster”and below it is the website 48161523.com website.

    What does that Mean?

    What is the City in the Backround?

    Whats the Significance of the little Boat in the Bacjground?

    And why is it YELLOW? color significance????

    Thanks

  231. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”174333″]Ok soo that Picture thats says OCEANIC AIRLINES with the girl on the front and the Plane flying over

    couple Questions?

    in the lowerleft hand corner there’es a message that says “I am The Monster”and below it is the website 48161523.com website.

    What does that Mean?

    What is the City in the Backround?

    Whats the Significance of the little Boat in the Bacjground?

    And why is it YELLOW? color significance????

    Thanks[/quote]
    Where is this picture?

  232. regarding comment 211:

    i have always had a hunch that naomi was hired by widmore [penny’s dad]. he probably knew she’d be looking for desmond […she once said “with enough money and determination, you can find anyone.”] and i bet he wanted to get to desmond before she [penny] did.

    the obit. clipping was from 4/5/07. kurt cobain died on 4/5, “scentless apprentice” was playing in jack’s car, the obit. said something about a loft and beam…i’m guess that person committed suicide.

    when was the sayid/hurley exchange about the music? i’ll have to see that again.

    i think it’s interesting to note that kate, who was previously the “we’ve gotta go back!!” queen, is now [in the future] the only one who seems to have it together. and who doesn’t wanna go back. the character shifts with her and jack & hurley are interesting…not sure what they mean…

    also, since the s3 finale let us know that jack had no way of finding the island, i wonder if ANYONE can find it. is going back even an option???

    also, regarding the friggin’ coffin, the producers said in a podcast [i lostpedia’d it] that the coffin is regular sized [NOT a child’s coffin] and that it contains someone we’ve already seen before.

  233. Erock says:

    My guess as to who is in the Coffin – Ben or Locke

  234. Johnny_Lost says:

    Johnny_Lost wrote:

    Ok soo that Picture thats says OCEANIC AIRLINES with the girl on the front and the Plane flying over

    couple Questions?

    in the lowerleft hand corner there’es a message that says “I am The Monster”and below it is the website 48161523.com website.

    What does that Mean?

    What is the City in the Backround?

    Whats the Significance of the little Boat in the Bacjground?

    And why is it YELLOW? color significance????

    Thanks

    Where is this picture?

    iF YOU GO TO lOST.COM YULL HAVE TO REFRESH A COUPLE TIMES UNTIL IT POPS UP BUT ITS A ocEANIC aIRLINES pOSTER WITH A sTEWARDIST INFRONT WEARING A ROSE ON HER FRONT

  235. lost chicka says:

    224: actually, the first thing that popped into my head was the smoke. yep, good ol’ smokey! =]

    232: i saw on dark ufo (awesome site) the pic in the water compared to LA skyline, and it’s a match!!

    please kind dude who run this lovely site, make a thread for the coffin!!! and let this thread be about the begininning of the end and not the looking glass!!!!

  236. Alex says:

    One of the Oceanic 6 (or 7 in case Kate has assumed a different identity) should be Claire, since Desmond told Charlie he saw her being rescued in one of his flashes. This is why Charlie locked the door and drowned, because he knew he had to die in order for Claire and Aaron to be rescued (regardless of the boat not being Penny’s).
    Sun should be another one of the six simply because she will die if she stays in the island (although she wouldn’t leave Jin behind and keep it a secret, which means he is another one of the six or he is dead by the time of the rescue).
    Finally, I think the person in the coffin is not one of the six because the press would have made a big deal out of it since they had become “celebrities.”

  237. desmond never said he saw claire being RESCUED, he said he saw her get on a helicopter. that distinction has always resonated with me.

  238. lostmari says:

    I think Namoi was giving a coded message when she said, “Tell my sister I’m sorry.”

  239. Brian VanDyke says:

    The Autobiography of Ben Linus:

    Introduction

    You may not know it but I am one of the richest and most powerful men in the world. I am responsible for some well known, but also less well known technologies—some for military use. I believe I am one of the “good guys,” but I am also a liar, thief, and murderer. I have most importantly dedicated my life to saving the last of an ancient and special race of people. It was all worth it, and I am determined to continue to fight those who want to destroy my true family.

    It started when my father got a job on a beautiful island in the pacific. But at first it was not beautiful to me. My father taunted me— not only blaming me for the death of my mother while she gave me birth, but also simply that he hated me (and himself) his entire life. I ended that life. It never occurred to me that I could be so powerful, but on the island anything can happen. I once left our protected cottages at a young age. . . and I actually saw my dead mother. She appeared to me and spoke to me. Was it a spirit, a ghost? Or was it an energy left by her in my body that manifested itself in front of me. Was I just crazy? These questions would soon no longer concern me as I would have a new purpose in life. When my mother appeared is when I realized the island was special, and that gradually, I learned that perhaps I was special too. I had found beauty.

    I was soon befriended by an ancient race of miraculous people that have been on the island for thousands of years. They were quite interested that someone new to the island could feel its special affects. They adopted me and became my real family. They even accepted me with all of my faults. Believe it or not, some of those ancient people did not seem to age. But I did. The Ancients, as I call them, would never suffer from disease, and if they did get hurt their wounds would heal tremendously fast. I later would find that I would not be the only newcomer to the island with special gifts or what I would call that “special connection” to the island. One man was a paraplegic and the instant he hit (literally hit) the island, he could walk. One could see the future. There was a boy who could be in more than one place at a time. So many fantastic stories.

    I will explain in future chapters how I took part in a movement that killed hundreds of the members of the DHARMA initiative, a subsidiary of a multi-national anti-moral economic machine that continues to be my sworn enemy. There was a reason I kill and still kill. DHARMA’s evil scientists studied these strange natives with these great powers like RATS. When there was some resistance, DHARMA conspired to murder all of them because of their own paranoid fears. I would not let that happen. I will further explain how I used what I basically stole to become the billionaire I am today. I used and continue to use the influence of wealth to not only protect what I have, but also my true family on the island. Oh, I have my problems, and all families have problems. I am selfish and really like to get my way. I’m greedy, but I don’t want others to see it. I do seek things sexual, but only on my private trips to Thailand. And I really hate it when strangers get in the way.

    Is it technology governing the islands or the spirits—God–faith? Is it natural forces governing the islands or the spirits—God–faith? Were these “effects” created by DHARMA themselves? My belief, and it’s just a belief, is that the nature of the island gave man a way to use parts of his mind he never thought possible. Shoot, maybe the island itself is alive? In any case it is quite amazing because even the mind or spirit or energy of the dead can be alive on that island. Am I the crazy one? No. I have known many natives with amazing and intensely diverse powers. A bit of it was given to me and I am truly thankful. Whether it was really my mother or not did not matter because she gave me something my father never could, to feel loved by a new family.

    DHARMA studied these phenomena, but I took it away from them— I took their technology, what they discovered and thus, my money stems from them. I made it so no one but myself or my friends could come and go from the island. I tried to make it so the Ancients would never be bothered again. I tried to create a utopian society working on saving mankind. I wanted to help the infertile have children, so many things I’ve done and tried to do, but alas, there seems to be another mystery with the island. It not only can hide, but in can GRAB things. Boats, helicopters, planes— once caught up in these strange forces, they crash here. Some live through it.

    I am determined to keep the ancients alive, to keep DHARMA away from the island. I am willing to die for it— and kill for it. I am one of the good guys, after all.

    Chapter One . . .

    NOTE from the real author:

    I have my own pilot script for a new TV series (that no agent at this point is even interested in reading) and of course, outlines of 22 episodes. I do dream of being a creator and executive producer / millionaire. It is about a private special education school in the Midwest that contracts the most severely behaviorally disordered youth in the area. It is called THE FOUR LOVES and it carries the themes of the C. S. Lewis book of the same name. If any agents are interested my e-mail is v628762 at the ya hoo place. I lived that job teaching (and retraining) some of the most violent youth outside of the jail system. The story has flashbacks and the characters are as rich as those in the show Lost (with maybe some flash-forwards in future episodes). These youth are part of our society that has been ignored, but there are both great and bad things that happen to these kids. Some are very low functioning, but also street-wise sociopaths. Still—kids who deserve an education even if they get into fights everyday. In the news there are occasional deaths from physical restraints, but there are also thousand of kids who do learn and grow because of great teachers and staff. God bless them. Just wait until Autistic water boy Jason McElway‘s (the 3-pointers in basketball) movie comes out— then you’ll see that special kids will be the next big thing in TV.

  240. Tim says:

    The coffin looks like it is too small for a full grown man or woman, unless they had their legs amputated.
    It looks like it is about 4 ft long, maybe 5 ft at the most.
    The man/woman.child is probably white because the funeral director asked if Jack was friend or family. I know, it could be otherwise but this might be a clue as to who it might be.

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