"Confirmed Dead" Recap

It’s pretty crazy to think there was a contention of people out there who thought that this particular episode was a let down after the season premiere – I could not disagree more. This episode rocked, and I cannot remember a better infusion of new characters into any show I have ever watched. I thought the acting was incredible, especially by Jeremy Davies as the character “Daniel Faraday” (is he really that awkward/goofy or is that just manipulation?) and Ken Leung as “Miles” (ghost whispering kicks ass, as long as it does not involve Jennifer Love-Hewitt). There is a ton to digest from this episode, but here are a few things I found interesting:

*A Little Lost Fandom Love: Lindelof/Cuse winked at us twice during this episode and most of you caught it – Locke asking “What is the Smoke Monster ?!?” when Ben was in secret-revealing mode and Locke again referring to Walt as “different, taller” – then getting sarcastically ridiculed by Sawyer

*Find815.com Tie-In: The beginning of the episode was a total overlay of what happened at the conclusion of Find815, with the discovery of the plane and the corresponding news coverage

*The New Characters: It is a bit premature to pinpoint exactly what is happening, but I picked up on two streams of thought coming from the excellent commentary that accompanied the post from yesterday:

A) Ben really does hate these people, and Michael could be his “man on their boat” – Makes sense because we have seen Walt but not Michael and it would be just like Ben to force Michael to continue carrying out his evil deeds to ultimately release he and Walt from the Island

B) We are in for a major twist and these people are on the Island to help Ben regain control (or at least Charlotte is) – Another distinct possibility given the all too convenient placement of Charlotte’s bullet proof vest and Ben’s thorough knowledge of who she was. And how about the DHARMA Polar Bear fossil? More theories on that?

Michael Abaddon is EVIL: So, now we know that Naomi was hired by Abaddon as the mercenary to lead all the misfits we met this week – but this episode takes me back to the conversation between The Dark Destroyer and Hurley from last week, when he asked “Are they still alive?” I initially thought he was referring to other survivors of Flight 815, but perhaps he was asking about his crew. I think it is becoming increasingly likely that the Oceanic 6 get off the Island without these new characters, given all the info we are getting fed about the helicopter and its inability to carry much weight.

That’s it for now – the only way this episode could have been any better is if Miles would have parachuted directly into Jacob’s cabin!

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220 Responses to "Confirmed Dead" Recap

  1. Steven says:

    “the only way this episode could have been any better is if Miles would have parachuted directly into Jacob’s cabin!”

    That would be awesome !

  2. Todd O says:

    What is this everythingisgoingtochange.com ? Does this have to do with LOST?

  3. Hugo says:

    I dont think they want to “help” Ben..
    I’m pretty sure they want him dead.

  4. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="177346"]What is this everythingisgoingtochange.com ? Does this have to do with LOST?[/quote]
    This is connected to http://www.godtube.com. Not related to lost in any way that I can see.

  5. LostDamery says:

    [quote comment="177355"]I dont think they want to “help” Ben..
    I’m pretty sure they want him dead.[/quote]
    How many times have the LOST writers made you lean one way then SMACK they spin you around with an upper cut.
    This is the perfect Gotcha,
    The four are sent to rescue Ben and Naomi is a spy by Dharma who is trying to kill BEN. So his fear is real but for Naomi NOT the four rescuers, who wont reveal their objective till back up arrives aka the Natives of the island.

  6. A Kelly says:

    I dunno, it seems like Miles doesn’t care too much for Ben, and once Charlotte’s cover was blown she didn’t look to happy with Ben either. I am gonna go with Ben is not in with the freight crew for now.

    It was nice to get some more of the increasingly sinister Abaddon. It may be possible that we are gonna see a lead up to Christian Shepard and Matthew Abaddon. Just my crazy two cents.

    I was very pleased with this episode. It was nice to be introduced to the characters properly. Previous seasons would have dragged out their introductions for a while, but this season just crammed it into one episode and I loved it.

    We know one key point about each member of the time and we seemingly know why they are here. Far more information than I anticipated receiving so soon.

    Agreed that Michael is Ben’s man on the ship.

  7. Circus Mom says:

    Ok, My last post was to a theory and I asked if Ben was the serpant.

    Complete turn around. We’re going to find out in some weird twist that Ben is the good guy and the 6 leave the island promising to protect it, and Ben’s secretes.

    Thoughts???

  8. DocH says:

    First – Who says that we have any sense of who is Ben’s Freigher BoyToy? It may be someone new – I keep hearing Minkowski – I’ve rewatched it three times now and that name keeps popping-up, but I can’t a face to it.

    B. I agreee with the “this episode rocked” assessment by Will, and the quick, vital intro of the newbies, but I don’t think Ben hates the the newbies. I think he fears and is intimidated by them. He knows what they can bring – and they are bringing it.

    3. I think most of the new folks will either die or wiind-up staying on the island, to restore the Dharmite Way, revenge following the purge.

  9. Lostie42 says:

    if Ben, then Locke, and now Hurely have a connection to the Island… and/or Jacob, why the “I shoulda gone w/ you, Doc”?

    OK, so that may have been said already…

    but what is **confusing** me is this. Jack wants off and Locke doesn’t. Future Hurely wants to go back.

    but but but… he went w/ the right guy to stay on the Island and if he went with Jack earlier how’d that have been better? wouldn’t he still be off the Island???

    It will be interesting to find out if there will be another Flash Fwd and we see Kate wanting to go back.

    Also, i’m afraid that the circumstances that allow the 6 (give or take a few non Oceanic 815ers and/or non celebrity extras) to leave will not be … happy. grrr.

    As for a good / evil guess… after reading a ton of things and trying to wrap my head around how much Ben knows and how much physical punishment he take (and willinging!) and “We’re the good guys!” (pay no attention to the kidnapping and murdering) …

    i’m gonna go out on a limb and say that Penny is the one true Good person! Please, please don’t be evil, Penny! ;o)

    namaste & 42

  10. gleek says:

    i was actually thinking that these newcomers to the island were dharma. they’re coming to kill/get ben because he killed all of their crew.

  11. Cari says:

    How come everyone is thinking that Michael is the man on their boat? I’ve followed everything but this…

  12. Dany says:

    Have you notice at the beginning of the show the tv is showing the images of the plane under water, but didn’t the plane crash on the island and especially the pilot cabin was found on a tree or at least his body.. I think I remember from the first season.. did anyone found that strange?

  13. lost chicka says:

    hello!
    a couple things, well 6 things:

    1) I love the idea that the “rescuers” were suposed to be on the plane and that’s why they’re all so shooken up about it.

    2) Ben’s picture is in an all white room, he’s next to a white computer, he’s wearing a white vest with a striped shirt. I think he’s in one of the hatches or someother dharma related place.

    3) How come everyone reacted different to the losties? Naomi was shocked as she thought there were no survivors. Minkowski didn’t seem very surprised there were survivors (could he be ben’s person on the freighter? i think it’s this guy or michael or george – or is minkowski george?-, or could it be michael under a different name?). Daniel is there to rescue them (suposedly). Miles is sarcastic about it being them and doesn’t believe Jack and Kate. Charlote is in awe that it’s the 815ers. Mr. Pilot Man (forgot his name) knows the name of everyone who was on the flight, so trusts them (‘cept Juliet since she’s a native). Soo, I know Naomi was told there were no survivors of 815 as I’m sure the others were, and that the other rescuers were told there were survivors of 815 (or were they?) and why wasn’t Minkowski shocked or skeptical??????????

    4) I don’t think they want to help Ben, but it would be an AWESOME twist if they did! But I think they’re there to get him because of the purge or something else dharma related. But i still would NOT be surprised if they’re going to help Ben take over the island again and they are some of his people on the freighter that his man recruited.

    5) Circus Mom: you are a smart cookie! i love that idea. and it totally fits Ben. jack would probably go along with it as he has gone along with ben before to get off the island. Kate would because she’ll do anything jack does. Hurley would probably so he wouldn’t have to see jacob’s cabin anymore (just a stupid guess on hurley’s reason)….I think that (if you’re theory’s right) Hurley might be sorry he originally went with Locke becasue Locke trys to kill Ben who would then be there way off the island, or because Locke does something to Jack’s group or Locke follows in Ben’s footsteps and has a purge himself of the Losties…

    6) And my theory of why they’re lying is that jack and the rest of the O6 aren’t lying for an agency, they’re lying for themselves. cuz something tells me with jack commiting attempted murder, hurley murder, and kate having done what she’s done, they might lie because they believe they have to, not cuz an agency told them to. plus if they had to work with whoever and did some more murderous acts, they’re not gonna wanna talk about that either.

  14. lost chicka says:

    Dany: yeah you’re right. the pilot was in the plane but then the monster killed him on a tree. and the pilot was wearing a wedding ring! that’s why everybody is talking about what the plane in the water is. an alternate reality? a cover up (i think so)?

  15. Ben seems to be a lot more interesting this season. I mean, even in the position he’s in (being on a leash XD) he still manages to stay somewhat calm, still tormenting people’s minds and is probably figuring out a way to run.

    “A man on their boat.” That sentence has been making me think for such a long time. Why would they need 4 people in a helicopter to get Ben if it can’t even support 4 people? Much less another person. Are reinforcements coming? Gah! This is such an awesome show! XD

  16. Kristen says:

    In response to Dany, we all know that Oceanic 815 crashed on the island in two sections, but the real world has no idea. For whatever reason, Oceanic wants everyone to believe that it crashed in the ocean and everyone died. I think this is a huge cover up and somehow Abaddon is at the helm.

    Interesting to note that the pilot of the helicopter recognized that the pilot they were showing in the underwater wreckage was not wearing a wedding ring and thus could not have been the same guy.

    He then calls Oceanic and then somehow ends up being the pilot of the rescue mission???? Did Oceanic do this keep him from talking? My mind hurts.

  17. DocH says:

    I am so dense some times. Miles off-handedly saying “I’m a soil sampler”. Of course he is! Like a census taker walks around talking to the and “sampling the population” (living), Miles walks around talking to the dead. You know the ones in the ground… 6 feet under… in the soil. A bit of dark humor for sure. It hit me waking-up today.

  18. Marry Me Kate says:

    Sorry for the complete change of subject, but I feel this is just as important to Lost as what happened in this last episode (Amazing, btw).

    I heard a couple of reports the last few days that the writer’s strike is being settled this weekend, and that the writers may be back to work as early as Monday. If this is true, is it early enough for us to get our full season of Lost? I don’t think I can take only four more episodes.

  19. Omar Kamel says:

    My assumption so far regarding the polar bear is that he was is a modern day polar bear that was teleported/sent – through time to the distant past by DHARMA, and NOT that the DHARMA Project is ancient.

    The weirdest thing for me – and I haven’t heard much talk about this – so maybe other people don’t think it’s weird – was the apparent willingness of Kate to surrender Locke and his camp. I just didn’t get it. She was happily leaking information all the time. When Faraday asks if they’re all at the beach she says “MOST” of them are – clearly indicating that there are others – Locke’s group. I find this disturbing since she is clearly aware that the others DO NOT WANT to be found by these particular ‘saviors’. She did it again when she was happy to give Miles information to the effect that it was John Locke who killed Naomi.

    I just don’t get what the hell Kate is thinking – I don’t get it at all…

  20. DocH says:

    [quote comment="177773"]… is it early enough for us to get our full season of Lost? I don’t think I can take only four more episodes.[/quote]

    Good news, we have six more!

    Eight total are complete for Season 4. I think they do have time, even if they wait another few weeks, to get the last eight written.

    The goal was to have 16 “consecutive” episodes this year. February and May are sweeps month where they make all of their money with advertisers – via ratings.

    My thought is if they don’t go 16 consecutive then they can have a little break at the end of March and the beginning April and air reruns from the first eight shows, until episode #9 catches-up. The will still catch May sweeps, but may run into June.

    Do we care? NOPE. We’ll take LOST whenever we get LOST. I am sure all the networks will jockey schedules throughout the summer, as shows start to go back into production.

    Remember, the LOST producers are also LOST writers, so they had to lay down pens… but the last eight shows were already outlined AND who knows? 9, 10, 11 may have been 90% complete before the strike and only need a day or two to get it to the cast and crew. Hawaii is a very expensive location to film and have production folks waiting around, they will want to go back into production ASAP, so they can leave before Summer. Summer is when actors get to do movies, as well as filmcrew members.

  21. Omar Kamel says:

    Hmm…

    I just typed up an entry, and it seems to have disappeared – so here are my points again, in brief form:

    1. The Polar Bear – I very much believe the polar bear was teleported/sent through time by the DHARMA Project and is NOT the result of some ancient DHARMA thing…

    2. Kate – why the hell is she happily volunteering information about Locke’s group? When asked if the survivors are all on the beach why did she say “MOST” – and therefore reveal the existence of Locke’s group when she KNOWS they don’t want to be found by these ‘saviors’? And then again – she’s more than eager to reveal that the ‘man who killed Naomi’ is John Locke. I don’t know what the hell Kate is up to – I was quite surprised by both instances. For a fugitive she’s sure revealing a lot more information that is necessary. Is she PURPOSELY trying to screw over Locke’s group? And if so, why?

  22. Rondi says:

    I agree the polar bear must be a dharma experiment that meant to send the bear back in time. Charlotte (CS Lewis) was not only not surprised about the bear being there in the dessert, she was specifically looking for the Dharma tag. Finding it proved that the experiment was a success.
    Does this mean she is Dharma, or maybe has found Dharma records and so is trying to prove its existance?

  23. lost chicka says:

    watch lost online: yeah, it’s amazing how calm Ben seems even now being on a leash. He still seems in control, calm, tormenting and manipulative as ever.

    docH: now that has to be one of the strangest things i think anyone has ever woken up to.

    omar kamel: that’s part of the fun of lost. kate used to be this really smart girl. season 3 she started having lots of stupid moments where she just let her mouth say everything she shouldn’t have. and now she’s somewhere in between. maybe this is because she is pregnant, and it’s messing with her head. but if she is actually trying to screw locke’s group and it’s not just her hormones, then maybe she doesn’t want to go back to the island to face the wrath of johnny locke.

  24. Laura says:

    I don’t think the team necessary knows everything about each other that we all know. I could be wrong, but they did not seem very cohesive, other than that they wanted to make sure everyone was alive (maybe that was because it was so stressed to ‘get everyone in, everyone out, nobody hurt’ by abbadon). As I tried to mention before, if we are in a consistent timeline, the team has probably had less than two months to prepare, maybe they all have specific missions that the others are unaware of. For example, maybe the Charlotte Dharma connection is why she decided she was willing to sign up, NOT the reason why she was asked to join the team. Just throwing it out there… I feel like it wasn’t a mistake that we were shown such distinctive flashbacks for each person…

  25. Courtney says:

    I’ve been thinking about whether Michael could be Ben’s “man on their boat”, and there’s one thing I have a problem with. The Freighter tots are already uber suspicious of everyone on the island. If Michael (and possibly Walt) arrived at their freighter wanting to go home — wouldn’t the tots be even more suspicious of him? I don’t see how they would not search Michael or let him near any of their communication devices. And second, he would have mentioned that he was a survivor of O815, so the tots wouldn’t be surprised that there are other survivors on the island. Also, if a crash survivor arrives at the freighter by dinghy, wouldn’t they wonder where he got it? Any thoughts?

  26. Circus Mom says:

    Ok, so me thinking that the 6 are covering for Ben led me to another idea.

    Sawyer is in the coffin. I think it was season 2 when Kate met up with a pregnant “Mark” of Sawyers. I don’t think she told Sawyer she was pregnant and Kate didn’t know who the father was, therefore, her coming into Kates life was to show us that Sawyer had a child.

    Didn’t the obit say that the man was survived by a teenage son. That could be Sawyer. The name on the obit also started with a J. James. Do we even know Sawyers real last name?

  27. Courtney says:

    Circus Mom, I think Sawyer’s ‘mark’ did tell him he had a child while he was in prison. A daughter named Clementine. And his name is James Ford, so we do know his last name.

  28. John Locke says:

    There’s been something sticking in my mind and I couldn’t figure out what it was until just now. One of my hypotheses about Lost is that the island somehow messes with time, I think I share that with some other folks on here too. I don’t have any definitive answers yet about it, but hopefully it will all come out over time. What is stuck in my head is this – we see Walt and he is obviously older than when we last saw him. This could point to the whole thing that there is “one” time on the island, and another in the outside world. I’m wondering if there are other things on Lost that I’ve missed that support this theory. Here’s the catch, when we saw Penny on the screen in the Looking Glass, she looked the same. If time were really slower on the island, wouldn’t Penny be older?

  29. Christos says:

    I just found strange the fact that the metal box that fell off the chopper had gas masks and bio-hazard bags. didn’t Ben along with Alpert and his goons take out the old Dharma lot with gas?

    just a thought…

  30. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="177910"]Circus Mom, I think Sawyer’s ‘mark’ did tell him he had a child while he was in prison. A daughter named Clementine. And his name is James Ford, so we do know his last name.[/quote]
    Ford, of course you’re right. Don’t know how I forgot.

    My memory on seasons 1-3 is spotty so you are probably correct about the daughter too. It dose sort of ring a bell.

  31. deangoodes says:

    To everyone who has been saying that Ben has been taking a lot of abuse, the fact is he asks for it almost every time. He annoys and pushes people until they start pounding on him; it’s as if he wants to get beat up.

  32. Lesley says:

    Here are some additional questions:

    1. Why did Locke need to go to the cabin before going to the barracks? This one has me stumped for now.
    2. Wasn’t everyone surprised that Hugo knew of the cabin? Ben looked pissed but I thought I saw John crack a smile.
    3. How did Sawyer know that the cabin was a shack? I don’t generally think of a cabin as being a shack so perhaps this is a subtle clue.
    4. How can Michael be working for Ben? Didn’t Ben only reluctantly let him leave so he could prove he was keeing his word? I am betting that Michael will contact one or more of the O6 in LA. But perhaps the freighter helped him back to the real world.
    5. Curious that Sawyer called Ben “Yoda” and especially after seeing Ben with his walking stick tapping Locke’s arm the night he demanded that Locke kill his father in S3. Yoda was a wise jedi master, a trainer of the highest order. Maybe we get a different perspective of Ben this season and Sawyer’s line was a little foreshadowing.
    6. There were several scenes that seemed to mirror S1 and in keeping with the theme that we are now on the other side of the looking glass:

    -Locke looking up at the rain
    -Sayid and Juliet shooting at Miles and Daniel in Other-like silence and form (Our Losties are becoming the Others – they just do not realize it yet.)
    -Jack, Kate, Miles, Daniel, Sayid & Juliet walking to find Frank across the rolling hills

    I got goosebumps when I saw the bear in the dig….yet another time/space reference. I cannot wait to see how it all fits.

    Absolutely awesome episode and loaded with hints and easter eggs! I am betting we will not even vet everything before Thursday arrives with the next installment!

  33. Lesley says:

    Regarding John Locke’s question above about time off the island and Penny’s not looking that old. Perhaps the time on the island is slower but not by generations, maybe only a few years. Ben has certainly aged from being a child. (Although Richard Alpert seems to be an anomaly and does not age at all.) It is possible that the writers’ nods to C. S. Lewis imply the island is a wardrobe of sorts. It is difficult to tell what time period Charlie was viewing when he saw Penny at TLG.

  34. Julie says:

    I just went back and watched the first 2 eps of S3. How did Locke know that Charlie died? And did it seem to anyone else like the cabin was in the opposite direction each time Hurley was trying to convince himself it wasn’t real? Hrm…

  35. Julie says:

    Oops, I meant S4.

  36. Julie says:

    Oops I meant S4.

  37. marvin says:

    anybody notice the picture miles was showing juliette when they found out she was not on the plane? I’m talking about the picture of BEN. Look familiar to anyone? Allow me to share a theory—

    When John Locke was in his “sweat lodge”, during the vision in which Boone was wheeling him in his wheelchair around the airport, we saw Hurley working as a TSA agent, and WE SAW BEN WALKING THROUGH AIRPORT SECURTIY.

    Somebody correct me if I’m wrong, but I seem to remember Ben turning around while walking through the metal detector. At this moment the photo (which Miles is holding) was taken.

    Think about it.

  38. Omar Kamel says:

    Okay, so both me and LostChicka have noticed that Kate’s attitude was a bit weird this episode…

    Anybody else find that strange or come up with an explanation for why Kate would be trying to screw over Locke or Locke’s group?

    The hormone explanation doesn’t do it for me, although it is novel to see it come from a woman for a change :)

    Only semi-rational explanations I’ve considered are:

    1. She’s pissed off at Sawyer for leaving and wants to a) screw him over and / or b) have them bring him back.

    2. She’s desperate to get off the island and thinks Locke must be captured in order to prevent him sabotaging the escape and she wants some 2nd hand revenge for his killing Naomi – which she thinks might’ve stopped them getting off the island.

    3. She’s trying to create a diversion so that she’s not the ‘hunted fugitive’ anymore, a crazy, homocidal nut called ‘John Locke’ is…and hopes that this’ll create enough of a distraction that if/when she returns to safety she’ll have time to disappear.

    4. She’s secretly allied to somebody. Possibly Ben. I’ve briefly considered this before, and it always sounds far-fetched, but well, there, it’s been said.

    And no, I don’t think Michael is Ben’s man on the boat.

  39. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="177950"]anybody notice the picture miles was showing juliette when they found out she was not on the plane? I’m talking about the picture of BEN. Look familiar to anyone? Allow me to share a theory—

    When John Locke was in his “sweat lodge”, during the vision in which Boone was wheeling him in his wheelchair around the airport, we saw Hurley working as a TSA agent, and WE SAW BEN WALKING THROUGH AIRPORT SECURTIY.

    Somebody correct me if I’m wrong, but I seem to remember Ben turning around while walking t hrough the metal detector. At this moment the photo (which Miles is holding) was taken.

    Think about it.[/quote]
    Intersting. But I am fairly certain that scene in which you are ref. was a dream.

  40. sjay says:

    Just my 2 cents.
    -Daniel the physist made the comment that the way the light is spread isn’t correct, it doesn’t follow the normal law of phyics. This is starting to make me wonder if the island is nothing more than a bio-dome structure somewhere in antarctica(see end of season 2).
    -I think the Dharma initiative has been around for a long time, the polar bear was in Tunisa because they might have had an operation there a long time ago. I think the Dharma initiative has been around for a long time than previously thought.
    -Did anyone notice that the vacuum the ghost hunter had had the symbol of the hyrdra, I think Miles is a evil character based on this greed trying to get rid of the ghost for the mother. I think the new arrivals want to kill ben for gassing the original others. The Dharma project is trying to close any loose ends.
    -One interesting part that i noticed was when Locke mentioned the black smoke, I think allot of what some of the survivors are seeing is pigments of their imagination, the black smoke really represents that death is close by, and if you have faith and a strong belief in something then it can’t harm you. This could also explain why Locke can walk.
    -The island is starting to remind me of that Eagles song ‘Hotel California’, especially that line ‘you can check in at any time, but you can never check out’.

  41. Omar Kamel says:

    Another big question which I’ve yet to read any comments on…I might’ve missed it if somebody’s already mentioned it is Faraday. Why, when asked by his wife/gf, etc – why he’s so upset while watching the footage – he says he doesn’t know.

    I.e. – He is more upset than he should be – and yet – he actually doesnt’ seem to know why. This implies there’s a relationship between him and the plane/island or somebody on the flight that even he does not know about – or that he’s already been involved with any of those and yet has NO conscious RECOLLECTION of it.

  42. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="177931"]To everyone who has been saying that Ben has been taking a lot of abuse, the fact is he asks for it almost every time. He annoys and pushes people until they start pounding on him; it’s as if he wants to get beat up.[/quote]
    Absolutely Ben is asking for it. It’s how he learns more about this “marks”. As he pushes them to the brink, he gains knowledge of what he needs to say to manipulate them for his benefit.

  43. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="177944"]I just went back and watched the first 2 afeeps of S3. How did Locke know that Charlie died? And did it seem to anyone else like the cabin was in the opposite direction each time Hurley was trying to convince himself it wasn’t real? Hrm…[/quote]
    Going by memory here…but didn’t Locke get the info from Hurley after the cabin scene…assume it was part of the talk we didn’t see?

  44. Omar Kamel says:

    The ghost busting guy – is for me – and I’m reserving final judgement for a while – but well – doesn’t immediately strike me as a great idea. I was worried when we first saw Jacob that the story was going to start involving supernatural (as opposed to simply science-fictional) elements – and (unfortunately for me) – the presence of ghost-busting dude more or less confirms that choice.

    I just an innate aversion to supernatural explanations – basically cause it’s a pandora’s box of random explanatory power. At least with science-fiction elements – things still have to MAKE SENSE. Once you’ve made ghosts an active agent in a drama, well, you can pretty much make anything happen anywhere…

    But ghost-busting dude + Hurley’s fellow patient at the institute BOTH imply that we’re about to witness some ghostly super-natural type explanations – and ungh..

    Oh, well.

    Again, I’m trying REALLY hard to reserve judgement on this angle until we see where exactly it’s going…

    But ..

    ARGH!

  45. Hammer says:

    I think the ghost whisperer is an awesome twist. It makes it possible that Hurley isn’t coo coo or has an overactive imagination. Also there is an age old theory that people who see dead people are crazy, but that people who can’t talk to the dead think they are crazy…then the person believes it themselves. Soooo, is it possible that D&C are toying with that? Locke has heard Jacob, Hurley-Charlie, Locke-Walt (we have assumed that Walt is alive.s.is he? Locke said Walt told him what to do, but where did he go?)

  46. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="177952"]Okay, so both me and LostChicka have noticed that Kate’s attitude was a bit weird this episode…

    Anybody else find that strange or come up with an explanation for why Kate would be trying to screw over Locke or Locke’s group?

    The hormone explanation doesn’t do it for me, although it is novel to see it come from a woman for a change :)

    Only semi-rational explanations I’ve considered are:

    1. She’s pissed off at Sawyer for leaving and wants to a) screw him over and / or b) have them bring him back.

    2. She’s desperate to get off the island and thinks Locke must be captured in order to prevent him sabotaging the escape and she wants some 2nd hand revenge for his killing Naomi – which she thinks might’ve stopped them getting off the island.

    3. She’s trying to create a diversion so that she’s not the ‘hunted fugitive’ anymore, a crazy, homocidal nut called ‘John Locke’ is…and hopes that this’ll create enough of a distraction that if/when she returns to safety she’ll have time to disappear.

    4. She’s secretly allied to somebody. Possibly Ben. I’ve briefly considered this before, and it always sounds far-fetched, but well, there, it’s been said.

    And no, I don’t think Michael is Ben’s man on the boat.[/quote]
    Yes there is a much more simply theory…she and Jack have decided they want off the island. She doesn’t want them to kill her and Jack for the death of Naomi…so telling them that Locke is the one they want helps here cause.

  47. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="177955"]Another big question which I’ve yet to read any comments on…I might’ve missed it if somebody’s already mentioned it is Faraday. Why, when asked by his wife/gf, etc – why he’s so upset while watching the footage – he says he doesn’t know.

    I.e. – He is more upset than he should be – and yet – he actually doesnt’ seem to know why. This implies there’s a relationship between him and the plane/island or somebody on the flight that even he does not know about – or that he’s already been involved with any of those and yet has NO conscious RECOLLECTION of it.[/quote]
    I’ll stab at this one. Remember when Dez went back in time and saw Charlie on the street corner? Time travel of sorts. He probabally dies a horrible death on the island.

  48. Hammer says:

    Another thought Omar. Instead of thinking of it as talking to ghosts, I think its more of talking to different times or alternate realities. I use Charlie’s comment “yes I’m dead, but I am also here.” What the hell does that mean? When Hurley’s mind is relaxed and open, he sees things. But he can shut it off, like an ability more than a mental defect.

  49. Omar Kamel says:

    Not sure how to quote – but Hammer said:

    “Yes there is a much more simply theory…she and Jack have decided they want off the island. She doesn’t want them to kill her and Jack for the death of Naomi…so telling them that Locke is the one they want helps here cause.”

    Well, kind of – but it’s not enough of an explanation for me – two reasons:

    1. Kate’s a fugitive, and we know she can tell a lie. Why not just come up with something?

    2. EVEN considering that, later on, she had reason to suspect that ghost-buster/whisperer dude could tell if she were lying – that STILL doesn’t explain why, in answer to Faraday’s question, she used the word ‘MOST’ – clearly telling him that there are others on the island.

    So – ?

  50. Hammer says:

    My post 45 is confusing since I have a major typo. I meant to say the theory is that people who communicate with the dead are NOT crazy, be we and they just think they are.

    We used to be able to edit our posts.

  51. Omar Kamel says:

    Hammer :)

    Well, the change in viewpoint sort of, slightly, yes – makes it easier to take but it still provides pretty loose anything-goes drama…

    Also – well, if it takes them dying to get to whatever alternate universe we’re discussing, then they’re ipso-facto-ish ‘ghosts’, no?

  52. Omar Kamel says:

    I fully agree, however, with the notion that perceiving it/them could be an ability of Hurley’s and not a disability.

  53. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="177976"]Not sure how to quote – but Hammer said:

    “Yes there is a much more simply theory…she and Jack have decided they want off the island. She doesn’t want them to kill her and Jack for the death of Naomi…so telling them that Locke is the one they want helps here cause.”

    Well, kind of – but it’s not enough of an explanation for me – two reasons:

    1. Kate’s a fugitive, and we know she can tell a lie. Why not just come up with something?

    2. EVEN considering that, later on, she had reason to suspect that ghost-buster/whisperer dude could tell if she were lying – that STILL doesn’t explain why, in answer to Faraday’s question, she used the word ‘MOST’ – clearly telling him that there are others on the island.

    So – ?[/quote]
    I hear ya, just humbly disagree that it was anything more than small talk with her perceived saviors. I also think that at this point in Kate’s mind, jail at home is better than the crap happening to her on the island. Remember, in ep. 1, she was expressed disbeleif/joy to Jack that there were really going to get to go home.

  54. Omar Kamel says:

    Just saw the ‘quote and reply’ link. Apologies.

  55. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="177990"]Hammer :)

    Well, the change in viewpoint sort of, slightly, yes – makes it easier to take but it still provides pretty loose anything-goes drama…

    Also – well, if it takes them dying to get to whatever alternate universe we’re discussing, then they’re ipso-facto-ish ‘ghosts’, no?[/quote]
    Yes. Still ghosts. But they wouldn’t be able to just right off facts to it in the sense of normal Hollywood ghost stories as it your fear. IF I am correct, it would still be a sci-fi type connection because remember, the basis of the story is DHARMA trying to find a way to stop the end of human existence and the island they chose to use for research has mystical powers, it’s not just pergatory.

  56. Omar Kamel says:

    [quote comment="177993"]I hear ya, just humbly disagree that it was anything more than small talk with her perceived saviors. I also think that at this point in Kate’s mind, jail at home is better than the crap happening to her on the island. Remember, in ep. 1, she was expressed disbeleif/joy to Jack that there were really going to get to go home.[/quote]

    Hmm – then I credited Kate with too little paranoia? It’s possible – but considering her fugitive past, the habit of lying to strangers that it gave her, the knowledge that Locke was willing to kill somebody because he suspected the motives of their supposed saviors, the fact that a dying Charlie sent a warning to them saying that their saviors were not who they claimed to be, and her clear knowledge that a whole group of people, including Sawyer, have gone with Locke, for the express purpose of NOT being found…

    In my mind, all that outweighs any potential slacky-relief she could’ve felt towards an impending escape from the island.

  57. Hammer says:

    Omar, again I see your point. But look at the big picture. She chose to with Jack to get rescued despite all of those points…I could see your point better if she had separated from both Jack and Locke and went Russeau on us, but she didn’t she chose to try get off the island, hence her comments to the chopper folks. She didn’t need to come up with a lie save her own but this time, she chose Jack and his opinion that Locke is an enemy, just like Rose and Bernard chose to stay away from Locke but don’t want to be rescued.

  58. Omar Kamel says:

    ‘too MUCH paranoia?’ – I meant to say.

  59. Hammer says:

    BTW, we have a very important piece of info to confirm my point(lol), we know that Kate eventually chooses to be rescued via the flash forward from S3 final ep. Therefore, I am correct. ;) LOL.

  60. Omar Kamel says:

    *Laughs*

    Yes, but er…

    Why give up Locke and the others? I’m serious – I was thinking of all that stuff and then I see her say ‘MOST’?!

    MOST!?

    I’m like, shut the @*#! up Kate!

    Then I’m like…why would she say that?

  61. Hammer says:

    You may be on to something the “most” comment. I just saw it as she and Jack really think that these people are here to rescue them AND Locke and the rest are in effect traitors to she and Jack.

  62. RGS says:

    [quote comment="177959"]The ghost busting guy – is for me – and I’m reserving final judgement for a while – but well – doesn’t immediately strike me as a great idea. I was worried when we first saw Jacob that the story was going to start involving supernatural (as opposed to simply science-fictional) elements – and (unfortunately for me) – the presence of ghost-busting dude more or less confirms that choice.

    I just an innate aversion to supernatural explanations – basically cause it’s a pandora’s box of random explanatory power. At least with science-fiction elements – things still have to MAKE SENSE. Once you’ve made ghosts an active agent in a drama, well, you can pretty much make anything happen anywhere…

    But ghost-busting dude + Hurley’s fellow patient at the institute BOTH imply that we’re about to witness some ghostly super-natural type explanations – and ungh..

    Oh, well.

    Again, I’m trying REALLY hard to reserve judgement on this angle until we see where exactly it’s going…

    But ..

    ARGH![/quote]

    Omar if you have accepted a Smoke Monster, Jacob, the fact that Richard does not age, the Others can walk about the jungle w/o leaving a trail, then your leap is not far to accept a ghostwhisperer.

    I too thought everything would have an explanation that would have limitations but I have fully accepted that there will be some kind of supernatural explanation to tie things up, if they are even explained at all (so much has been introduced, that it has been forgotten by most).

    I will have to rewatch the episode to see the timing of Kate’s comments, because off-hand I can’t remember if she told that to Faraday when they first met or when Miles goes ballistic. Of course she would volunteer that Locke killed a member of the rescue party, that serves her own purpose.

  63. RGS says:

    [quote comment="177954"]Just my 2 cents.
    -Daniel the physist made the comment that the way the light is spread isn’t correct, it doesn’t follow the normal law of phyics. This is starting to make me wonder if the island is nothing more than a bio-dome structure somewhere in antarctica(see end of season 2).
    -I think the Dharma initiative has been around for a long time, the polar bear was in Tunisa because they might have had an operation there a long time ago. I think the Dharma initiative has been around for a long time than previously thought.
    -Did anyone notice that the vacuum the ghost hunter had had the symbol of the hyrdra, I think Miles is a evil character based on this greed trying to get rid of the ghost for the mother. I think the new arrivals want to kill ben for gassing the original others. The Dharma project is trying to close any loose ends.
    -One interesting part that i noticed was when Locke mentioned the black smoke, I think allot of what some of the survivors are seeing is pigments of their imagination, the black smoke really represents that death is close by, and if you have faith and a strong belief in something then it can’t harm you. This could also explain why Locke can walk.
    -The island is starting to remind me of that Eagles song ‘Hotel California’, especially that line ‘you can check in at any time, but you can never check out’.[/quote]

    Re: your first point, I think he says that the light spreads to confirm why no one can see the thing when they are flying above it.

    My other pt would take waaay too long to parse out, and I don’t have the energy, time or enough evidence to support the wayward notion so I will hold off. It is along the lines that, thinking like the Dharma company: We’ve been doing these experiments for x years. We’ve been making food drops every x months. Suddenly communication from our people stops and we can’t get in contact with anyone for x amount of time. We know something is up, but communications are jammed. We haven’t made a supply drop in years, how are these people getting food and supplies? By what method could Ben wipe out the entire group? (This assumes Ben got word back to Dharma, don’t call us we’ll call you or something).

  64. katesFriend says:

    about Kate’s attitude toward the other group, Omar Kamel you mentioned maybe Kate is working for Ben

    while I don’t necessarily believe (or want to believe) this, we still have not found out what happened to Kate after she shared the quaint breakfast on the beach with Ben

    he said “the next two weeks will be very uncomfortable” and then the next thing we see is Kate being put in the cage opposite Sawyer and the handcuffs have torn her wrists up

    maybe ben brainwashed her in a way? or showed her something to change the way she thinks about things?

    also, i didn’t notice the freckle-absence issue, but depending on when that happens, maybe it is related?

    maybe the kate we have seen the past few episodes is really her evil doppelganger?

    ok, now i’m rambling but you get the point…

  65. Hammer says:

    katesfriend, you have a point about not knowing what happened after that famous breakfast on the beach. Mr. Friendly did ask her if Ben or “they” were too rough on her. But I doubt the doppleganger or even the she’s working for Ben ideas. I just think that she’s done with the island and is ready to go home, even if it means jail, which we know it doesn’t.

  66. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="177959"]The ghost busting guy – is for me – and I’m reserving final judgement for a while – but well – doesn’t immediately strike me as a great idea. I was worried when we first saw Jacob that the story was going to start involving supernatural (as opposed to simply science-fictional) elements – and (unfortunately for me) – the presence of ghost-busting dude more or less confirms that choice.

    I just an innate aversion to supernatural explanations – basically cause it’s a pandora’s box of random explanatory power. At least with science-fiction elements – things still have to MAKE SENSE. Once you’ve made ghosts an active agent in a drama, well, you can pretty much make anything happen anywhere…

    But ghost-busting dude + Hurley’s fellow patient at the institute BOTH imply that we’re about to witness some ghostly super-natural type explanations – and ungh..

    Oh, well.

    Again, I’m trying REALLY hard to reserve judgement on this angle until we see where exactly it’s going…

    But ..

    ARGH![/quote]
    We have had the supernatural for quite a while. The box that will bring you anything you want. The smoke monster, Jacks dad. Hurleys friend Dave. Walt’s abilities. Kates horse. The list goes on.

  67. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="178067"]

    Re: your first point, I think he says that the light spreads to confirm why no one can see the thing when they are flying above it.

    My other pt would take waaay too long to parse out, and I don’t have the energy, time or enough evidence to support the wayward notion so I will hold off. It is along the lines that, thinking like the Dharma company: We’ve been doing these experiments for x years. We’ve been making food drops every x months. Suddenly communication from our people stops and we can’t get in contact with anyone for x amount of time. We know something is up, but communications are jammed. We haven’t made a supply drop in years, how are these people getting food and supplies? By what method could Ben wipe out the entire group? (This assumes Ben got word back to Dharma, don’t call us we’ll call you or something).[/quote]

    Daniel says’ “The light, it dosn’t scatter.”

    Someone was making supply drops because the losties got one. Also, the hatch was stocked and Des was living there for at least 3 years.

  68. Circus Mom says:

    A couple of abservation that could have meaning.

    Penny asks Charlie “how did you get this frequency.” Since it was already on that frequency, who was talking to who?

    Aaron starts to cry at the moment when Charlie dies. Dose he have some ability “gifted” from the island?

    Sayer calles Lock Cornal Kurtz, Marlon Brando’s charactor from Apocolypse Now. Inspired by Joseph Conrad’s 1902 novella Heart of Darkness (about a steamer journey up a river into the Congo and African jungle – and into the darkest reaches of the human psyche). The film tells about US Army assassin Cpt. Benjamine J. Willard’s mission, both a mental and physical journey, to ‘terminate’ dangerously-lawless warlord and former Colonel Kurtz who has gone AWOL, become a self-appointed god, and rules a band of native warriors in the jungle.

    Miles has a friend in the police dept. Could it be the officer who questioned Hurly. That’s why he knew Hurly saw something/someone.

    When Sayed says it can’t hurt to call someone else Miles says “No, it can hurt.” Is there someone else out there, and how would it hurt.

    Charlotte Lewis’s parents are named David and Janette so Annie is not her mom.

  69. chriskfromtheuk says:

    what are your guy’s views on jacks father? it is 100percent him in the cabin when hurley looks in s04e01.

    also it is him when locke and ben go in s03. but why does he want lockes help when he says “help me”??

  70. Omar Kamel says:

    [quote comment="178186"]We have had the supernatural for quite a while. The box that will bring you anything you want. The smoke monster, Jacks dad. Hurleys friend Dave. Walt’s abilities. Kates horse. The list goes on.[/quote]

    Well, yes and no.

    1. The Box: I’ve always taken this to be a metaphor of some sort. I don’t think Ben meant it literally.

    2. The Monster: I still have no idea what this is, I’ve heard the pseudo-scientific explanation, like the nano-cloud, etc…and we have yet to see what it is – but until we’re told what it is – I consider it pre-mature to decide that it’s nature is supernatural.

    3. Jack’s dad. Well, Jack’s dad certainly has a couple of things up his sleeve, but nothing so far has led me to assume that he’s a ghost – after all – the coffin WAS empty…

    4. Dave was introduced as being more or less Hurley’s imaginary friend of sorts…so again, not quite a ghost.

    5. Walt’s abilities – well, first of all – we don’t quite know what they are. Although they do seem to involve displacement, at the very least. Yet, again, nothing necessary supernatural or psychic about that.

    6. Kate’s horse was seen by Sawyer, so again – we still don’t quite know what that is.

    I don’t have a problem with the idea of manifestations or apparations as such, but explaining those manifestations as being supernatural ghosts, etc…seems to me too close to explaining them ‘away’ as opposed to actually explaining them. It just makes explanations too easy, too pat.

    So again, I’m withholding final judgement, but I’m happier with explanations closer to the sci-fi of the spectrum, otherwise, I worry about too much ‘energy’ mumbo jumbo being used to explain away all and everything.

    It’s just too much of a catch all explanation under which we can subsume almost everything – the monster, the whispers, Hurley’s bird, the horse, the coincidences, etc – it’s just too random if it’s ‘super’ natural – that’s why I think it would be lame.

  71. RGS says:

    [quote comment="178393"][quote comment="178186"]We have had the supernatural for quite a while. The box that will bring you anything you want. The smoke monster, Jacks dad. Hurleys friend Dave. Walt’s abilities. Kates horse. The list goes on.[/quote]

    Well, yes and no.

    1. The Box: I’ve always taken this to be a metaphor of some sort. I don’t think Ben meant it literally.

    2. The Monster: I still have no idea what this is, I’ve heard the pseudo-scientific explanation, like the nano-cloud, etc…and we have yet to see what it is – but until we’re told what it is – I consider it pre-mature to decide that it’s nature is supernatural.

    3. Jack’s dad. Well, Jack’s dad certainly has a couple of things up his sleeve, but nothing so far has led me to assume that he’s a ghost – after all – the coffin WAS empty…

    4. Dave was introduced as being more or less Hurley’s imaginary friend of sorts…so again, not quite a ghost.

    5. Walt’s abilities – well, first of all – we don’t quite know what they are. Although they do seem to involve displacement, at the very least. Yet, again, nothing necessary supernatural or psychic about that.

    6. Kate’s horse was seen by Sawyer, so again – we still don’t quite know what that is.

    I don’t have a problem with the idea of manifestations or apparations as such, but explaining those manifestations as being supernatural ghosts, etc…seems to me too close to explaining them ‘away’ as opposed to actually explaining them. It just makes explanations too easy, too pat.

    So again, I’m withholding final judgement, but I’m happier with explanations closer to the sci-fi of the spectrum, otherwise, I worry about too much ‘energy’ mumbo jumbo being used to explain away all and everything.

    It’s just too much of a catch all explanation under which we can subsume almost everything – the monster, the whispers, Hurley’s bird, the horse, the coincidences, etc – it’s just too random if it’s ‘super’ natural – that’s why I think it would be lame.[/quote]

    My issue with the smoke monster is that it physically picked up Eko slung him around before slamming him to the ground. Also it chased Juliette and Kate to the point where they could turn on the “force field.”

    Jacob seemed to display telekenetic powers in addition to being invisible. While I would be willing to accept the writers saying that the actions were coincidental, it better not happen again.

    What do you think the explanation will be for the Others apparent ability to walk on the jungle grounds w/o snapping twigs, bending leaves etc., as they did in Season 1?

  72. lostfreak14 says:

    I just got to watch the episode last night and thought it was really good. I liked the way they brought in the new characters.

    i got some questions(and a few comments):

    1)Why do they keep threatning to kill Ben? we all know that they’re not going to. he knows to much for locke to kill him, just like locke keeps saying.

    2)what’s up with hurley? i love hurley and i love the idea of him being able to somehow communicate with the island. But, why hurley?

    3)did any one else notice the way miles was acting towards kate because she “killed” naomi? i have feeling that miles’ and naomi’s relationship went past profesional, or at least in miles’ mind.

    4)charolette kind of reminds me of juliet. is there a reason for that? am i the only one?

    5)i enjoy the season moving more quickley, but i would really like to see some more of the square(sawyer-kate-jack-juliet). especially jack and juliet since i’m a jacket.

    thanks for readin gif i any one does read this. i will be checking to see if any one can add to or answer my questions.

  73. Lesley says:

    Circus Mom is correct there are so many little clues in this episode. (I am almost embarressed to admit I have watched it 4 times.) Miles does indeed point out that it can hurt to call someone and that may confirm Ben is telling the truth about the man on the boat. Frank has memorized the manifest for a reason. Abbaddon told Naomi everyone from 815 is dead giving them carte blance to kill the Losties. “The Four” each seem to have their own agenda but the mission appears to center around Ben and the “natives”. Omar, I think Kate is looking to direct the attention away from herself and on to Locke regarding island casualties. She seems genuinely exicted about the prospect of leaving the island but needs to save her own hide in the process of being rescued. I noticed too that Hurley shook his head no to Sawyer when he was about to kill Ben on Locke’s behalf.(And Sawyer followed his lead! That is huge – remember when Sawyer would not listen to anyone?) Following the time/space connection I am guessing the walking dead are not so much ghosts but other time/space versions of the same individual, because the purple haze even created a rift (sci-fi enough?). Didn’t the writers say in the very beginning that everything that happens will have a scientific base? I am still trying to figure out what the award is that Charlotte holds in the picture Abbaddon shows Naomi. It reminds me of something we saw in TLE/Hanso game but I have not found it yet.

  74. Mike says:

    [quote comment="177750"]In response to Dany, we all know that Oceanic 815 crashed on the island in two sections, but the real world has no idea. For whatever reason, Oceanic wants everyone to believe that it crashed in the ocean and everyone died. I think this is a huge cover up and somehow Abaddon is at the helm.

    Interesting to note that the pilot of the helicopter recognized that the pilot they were showing in the underwater wreckage was not wearing a wedding ring and thus could not have been the same guy.

    He then calls Oceanic and then somehow ends up being the pilot of the rescue mission???? Did Oceanic do this keep him from talking? My mind hurts.[/quote]

    Well was it just me or do i remember somebody saying last season that they thought they were dead. Was it Naomi who said that they found their bodies and the plane. It seems like a cover up

  75. Scott says:

    A couple of points of interest to me:

    We clearly see Naomi now as a secret agent of some sort, hired by Abaddon and apparently on the hunt for Ben. We do not know yet, however, why she is carrying a picture of Desmond and her first word upon being found was “Desmond”. Desmond supposedly is not an “other” and was not on the flight. How does Naomi know about him? What was really motivating her on her mission?

    Two helicopters (not to mention the plane) have had serious problems on approaching the island now. Combined with Faraday’s comments about the light, this lends credence to some sort of force field around the island or an “eco-bubble” as some other poster put it (though it is clearly semi-permeable at least).

  76. Courtney says:

    [quote comment="177950"]anybody notice the picture miles was showing juliette when they found out she was not on the plane? I’m talking about the picture of BEN. Look familiar to anyone? Allow me to share a theory—

    When John Locke was in his “sweat lodge”, during the vision in which Boone was wheeling him in his wheelchair around the airport, we saw Hurley working as a TSA agent, and WE SAW BEN WALKING THROUGH AIRPORT SECURTIY.

    Somebody correct me if I’m wrong, but I seem to remember Ben turning around while walking through the metal detector. At this moment the photo (which Miles is holding) was taken.

    Think about it.[/quote]

    I went back and watched the sweat lodge episode (ep 3 s3), and Ben is in the dream working security for the airline. He’s using a wand while checking someone. So it doesn’t match up with the photo of Ben.

  77. donna says:

    Maybe Naomi was working for Penny’s father. He hated Des and didn’t want Penny with him. Penny said you can find anyone if you have enough money. Maybe her Dad is preventing this.

  78. lost chicka says:

    I swear, I cannot make a short comment. Sorry about this unbelievably long comment. It took me a while to read from comment 23 to 77 (ooo, reminds me of enter 77 :P). Anyways my comments:

    #32: 1 – cuz locke needs directions on what to do.
    3 – that’s sawyer’s way of talking. make everything sound ten times worse then it is.
    4 – we don’t know everything about what happened to him while he was with the others. ben’s people could have told him he’d have to spy for them on a freighter.

    #34: i thought that the cabin moved too last week.

    sjay: ummmmmm…..that was actually a nickel, not 2 cents. but i agree daniel’s comment about the light is big and i’ve been wondering since he said that what that could mean. i think it has something to do with the sky turning purple, but who knows, it could’ve always been like that. of course i’ve never noticed anything strange about the light. the island being nothing more than a bio dome in antartica is the strangest thing i’ve ever heard about where the island is (but i like it).

    #41: i think he knows but he doesn’t wanna tell her. or it happened in another timeline and he somehow knows it’s important but doesn’t know why.

    Mr. Ghost Buster
    is not my favorite person as of right now (i think charlote is). he’s just a bad guy and he’s not a good bad guy either like ben. But He’s gonna add a different element to te show (which i like) but if it goes to ghost buster ish i think it’ll get to far. I agree with Omar Kamel that if taken to far it’ll ruin it, and I agree with Hammer that a healthy dose of it will be cool.

    Omar & Hammer you 2 are making this worth reading right now going back and forth and back and forth and… :)

    #64: hmm…kate didn’t start acting stupid till after her breakfast with ben, too. and i think she thinks he’s the man who can get her off the island. it’s funny, i wouldn’t think just having breakfast would give you that torn up wrists. the doppleganger i don’t buy into. i think she might be working with ben, tho it could just be jungle fever.

    #72: 2) I think cuz some people will explain it away as him being crazy or his imagination and some people will say he’s gifted and some will just be shocked that they chose him. last week i was shocked that hurley could see jacob’s cabbin and i thought he was really going crazy off the island, but now i’m thinkin he’s gifted.
    4) yeah charlotte reminds me of her too!

    #73: while Frank could have a reason for memorizing the manifest, i think he just did it because he felt so guilty about not flying the plane. i could see my self doing that feeling so guilty and just reading the list over and over and over again and thinking that my name should’ve been the pilot’s…..i agree they all seem to have their own agenda for why they are there…..

    Naomi
    Naomi was the one who told us about the plane being found. Now that we know who sent her there and why, I’m really bugged by why she had the picture of penny and desmond and why she used penny as the woman who sent her (when penny obviously didn’t) and what those two have to do with it.

  79. lost chicka says:

    Oh, and i have 2 questions (whoa, a short comment! for me anyways):

    1) I just thought of this, and i know it’s kindof a stupid question but: How come Abbadon just disappeared when he was talking to Hurley. I thought he was in Hurley’s imagination, but now he’s real? How did that work last week?

    2) I know, these are like impossible questions, i just wanna know what you think. What are the whispers? Whre do they come from? Who are they from?

  80. leah says:

    it seems clear to me, faraday is there to investigate the phisics of it all ie.implosions,funny light etc etc.mr ghost buster is there to have a word with hte dead ie.charlie,ana lucia,eko,s brother,jacks dad.the bone collector [charlotte] is studying dharma and strange things that keep popping up in the “real world”.and bens man on the boat is the guy with the eye patch that confronted charlie in looking glass station.and its all to do with the properties of the island ,that can be harnessed for fair means or foul.Another point …..where is desmond?

  81. leah says:

    the whispers,the smoke,[which we have nt seen much of]the tree ripping monsters are something entirely different to dharma.thats why ben truly knows nothing about them.same as the three toed statue.what was that about?
    did any one notice the marking on the collar of the bear from tunisia?was it hydra?

  82. Miss Kim says:

    It seems to me that the four people sent to the island who were there for Benjamin Linus were not the people I would send to seek revenge/capture/etc. As a physicist/anthropologist/soil sampling ghost buster, they may be the right people to talk/gather info from Benjamin Linus…..Naomi was there to “Get in, get out, and see that no one gets killed.” If I wanted to hunt/capture Ben I would have sent a whole bunch of Naomi-types. Charlotte, Frank, Daniel, and Miles are seeking something other than retribution.
    I do think that they are there to learn, not harm. Ben knows so much about Charlotte–and she knew enough to wear bullet proof clothing. It’s as if maybe this has been played out before. Possibly a space/time thing. If anyone had prior knowledge of how things were going to occur, they could make plans for it. I really think that’s where all of this is heading. The whispers, for example, could be warnings from the future into the past. If you could travel back in time, could you be visible in 2 places at once? Or would you be reduced to a whisper? Perhaps Walt has the ability to be more than a whisper–he can appear and speak and be clearly seen and heard. Kate’s horse is perhaps a meaningful symbol she sent to herself as a warning of sorts. I think the “timeline” is key here. We’re being told a story that didn’t start at the beginning and keeps jumping all over the place. I think we will get to the “end” and it may be “the middle” of the story. The missing pieces that make it all come together.
    I keep thinking back to the significance of Adam and Eve. (corpses in the cave) Do Jack and Kate just keep trying to get it right until they die on the island? Is each individual ultimately fighting for the greater good? Brilliant show. Brilliant.

  83. Laura says:

    [quote comment="178706"]Oh, and i have 2 questions (whoa, a short comment! for me anyways):

    1) I just thought of this, and i know it’s kindof a stupid question but: How come Abbadon just disappeared when he was talking to Hurley. I thought he was in Hurley’s imagination, but now he’s real? How did that work last week?

    2) I know, these are like impossible questions, i just wanna know what you think. What are the whispers? Whre do they come from? Who are they from?[/quote]

    Abbadon did not ‘just disappear’, after Hurley became suspicious Abbadon stood up and Hurley ran over to the nurses yelling “he’s after me” The camera then showed the door swinging closed. Just because Hurley sees people who aren’t there (Dave and maybe Charlie…?) doesn’t mean everyone he sees is fake. The point was last week we weren’t sure if Hurley was imagining Abbadon and now we are pretty positive he wasn’t. Maybe this is implying that Charlie really was there too… or maybe this is to make us think Charlie was there when really Hurley is crazy. this is why I love lost.

    The collar is the hydra.

    RGS… how do you explain Desmond predicting the future? That seems on the same wavelength as talking to the dead…

    Yay for Carlton back to work tomorrow!!!

  84. ByeByeBoone says:

    if you go to losteastereggs.blogspot.com you can look at screen shots from the show. one of the shots is of the bottom of the ocean where the plane was found. if you look closly on the rock formations, it appears there are images. maybe of famous paintings? it looks as if the plane landed right in the middle of a ‘lost city’ or something.

  85. Laura says:

    Also, what do you think the significance was of showing the location on screen. Lost has never specifically told us a location, but instead often gives us clues to figure it out ourselves. I find it particularly intriguing because why did the writers find it necessary to say “Medenine, Tunisia” or “Eleuthera, Bahamas” instead of “Tunisia” or “Bahamas”. There must be some reason that we were told such specific locations… yet I have no idea what it could be.

  86. Laura says:

    From Lostpedia: “Before the helicopter crashes, Charlotte complains that she cannot find her vest. Miles gives her his, effectively saving her life as without it, she would have probably died from when Ben shot her”

    if this quote is right it seems hard to believe that Charlotte would not have been more careful with her bullet proof vest if she was expecting to get shot by Ben.

    he could have still shot her knowing she had it on (maybe he noticed it or something) but makes it hard to believe that this was a set in stone plan.

  87. Stormcrow says:

    Regarding all “flashes” of the Freighties in most recent episode, especially the “ghostbusting” sequence with Miles: watch carefully for grounding references that identify the scenes as a flash-FORWARD or a flash-BACK. This would be a great way to mess with our heads, as several were ambiguous in their chronology.

    I also concur that more happened with the breakfast rendezvous between Ben and Kate than we saw in the original episode.

    Regarding Walt and Michael- clearly they are not in a vacuum while the show is progressing, they are SOMEWHERE and doing SOMETHING(S) that are advancing the plot line for a future reveal. I love the Michael-on-the-Freighter angle. My guess is that Michael and Walt get “rescued” after leaving the dock only to find that Oceanic is not a merely a friendly airline company. They are probably held and questioned about the island.

    As to the identity of the person in the funeral parlor. “J. James” = Jesse James, a likely pseudonym for Sawyer if he continues his career as a con man? Nice, but not likely- the parlor is clearly being anchored in an inner-city area with a predominantly African-American flavor. Not Sawyer’s locale. Also, the casket seems very short to me, especially form the overhead angle when Jack leans against it. I think it is either Walt, or the kid that gets ghost-busted by Miles. The areas match, and there is plenty of time to develop this “dope-dealer teen” and tie him into the mythology of LOST.

    Just my ramblings…. new to the blog.

  88. Pippy says:

    I found the “ghostbuster” episode strange, since it is obviously the middle of the story. I wondered if it is Walt after he is back home and a few years older. It would stand to reason that as a teenager he would have some “issues” considering what he has been through and would maybe get in with the wrong crowd. So, it could be him in the coffin and Jack would feel like he should go – although where would the grandmother have been? I just know that somehow that scene will be significant later in the storyline.

    It is clear from the flashforwards we have seen that the oceanic 6 are not any better being off the Island.

    concerning the crew with Naomi – they may not know their exact mission – Remember Naomi was not too keen in taking them with her – she didn’t see that they would be experienced enough for the mission. So, maybe they don’t have all their order yet, and now that Naomi is dead they may be playing it by ear. I don’t necessarily think they are the bad guys.

  89. Tyler says:

    You really don’t get it do you?
    Abaddon sent Danny,Charlotte, Miles and Frank for a “special” reason.
    He sent them because each one of them found out about the island one way or the other.
    Danny had a special connection,Miles talks to ghosts,Charlotte is uncovering Dharma projects and Frank called them directly to state they are lying.

    So Abaddon sent’s them to get killed.
    Naomi herself stated that they are the worst men for that job,not military trained and no combat experience.
    Abaddon is original Dharma.He knows that Ben took over,so sending them on that island with a mission to get Ben,is the most certain way that they will get killed (By Ben and the others)
    Tish also implicates that Abaddon himself is Ben’s man on the freighter,giving him heads-up so Ben could kill them.
    Remember last episode he asked Hugo “Are they still alive?”
    They are a problem,sent on the island to be solved.

  90. Omar Kamel says:

    [quote comment="179112"]You really don’t get it do you?[/quote]

    No, in fact, we’re thinking and guessing, and trying to follow the guidelines as much as we can – you’ll notice that we’re requested to be ‘kind and helpful’…

    So you might want to consider starting your posts with something less abrasive than ‘You really don’t get it, do you?’ – especially when it implies that you have magical knowledge of what the creators have in mind :)

  91. Tyler says:

    Well we got on a rough start…
    I didn’t ment to insult anybody,but since i stumbled on this discovery by watching this episode only once,i was pretty amazed that ppl who watched it 3-4 times didn’t realise this theory :)
    I am truly sorry for the cocky starting sentence,didn’t ment to come out like that :D

    Now let’s uncover Lost

  92. deangoodes says:

    Amen, Omar! Tyler, everybody (most everybody) posting here is bouncing their ideas off of the other posters in hopes of wrapping their minds around what the producers are going to do next. There is to be no judging of right or wrong; we are allowed to clarify for people who may not be up to speed on all the Easter Eggs that get put in the shows, but do it in a respectful manner.

  93. deangoodes says:

    Tyler, what makes you so sure Abaddon is trying to get these people killed? From what you said, Oceanic only knows about Frank, and maybe Charlotte, as knowing anything about Dharma or the plane wreck. Miles and Daniel haven’t shown any special knowledge about the island or the plane.

  94. Tyler says:

    Well Dean isn’t it a little strange to send this particular group out to get Ben?
    I mean no combat experience,pretty naive (Danny boy),armed with only 4 guns + a flair gun?
    Plus the inevitable question “Are they still alive?”
    It’s pretty obvious that Abbadon doesn’t want 815 crash survaviors off the island,but still in the flash forwards 6 of them got out,and are celebrities non the less.
    I think that Ben realised Abaddon’s plans,and clarified them to the four newbies.Afterwards the mission goes AWOL,but still Jack,Hurley and Kate +3 manage to escape off the island (presumibly on the helicopter).Someone alerted the press and they are medium celebrities now,so Abaddon can’t touch them.
    And what Jack and Hurley don’t want to talk about is possibly attacking the freighter,and killing most onboard.

  95. John says:

    Hi, i’m new here and i enjoyed most of the posts.
    thank you.

    To start with mine, i would like to think how this episode ended. Ben has someone on the plane.

    We think Mikhail died, but did he really? Is he a possibilty?

    But who i’m really thinking about is Michael.

    (excuse my english, i’m european)

  96. John says:

    sorry, i mean the ship iso the plane

  97. John says:

    sorry, i meant the ship iso the plane.

  98. Lesley says:

    Regarding Miles handing Charlotte a vest before jumping from the copter, I believe it was not the bullet-proof vest under her outfit she had a problem with, but the life-vest over her outfit that she removed after landing in the water.

  99. DocH says:

    [quote comment="179112"]… sent Danny, Charlotte, Miles and Frank for a “special” reason. He sent them because each one of them found out about the island one way or the other. … sent them to get killed.
    [/quote]
    I am thinking Close Encounters – 3rd Kind here. None of the “folks in the loop”, military, science, etc… could get the job done there. It was the oddball foursome – “We’ve been invited” – that made the connection to the anomaly (aliens). Maybe our discombobbelated four are the only response available, following Naomi’s failed sci/tech/mil specialist failure. The B-Team. We are here Mr. Linus – because Jacob invited us! (methinks he said “Help Me”.)

    If Abbadon is a ghosty, like some suggest, who says he is not working to free Jacob?

  100. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="179217"]
    We think Mikhail died, but did he really? Is he a possibilty?
    [/quote]
    According to Damon and Carlton, he did die in the season 3 finale, so I don’t think he’s Ben’s guy on the boat. (Unless he’s like Charlie and goes by the same “I am dead, but I am also here” doctrine.)

  101. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="178196"]Penny asks Charlie “how did you get this frequency.” Since it was already on that frequency, who was talking to who?

    Charlotte Lewis’s parents are named David and Janette so Annie is not her mom.[/quote]
    Great question about Penny and the frequency. And an even better catch about Charlotte’s parents. Hopefully that will be the end of the Annie’s daughter talk (but I doubt it……).

  102. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="177976"]Not sure how to quote – but Hammer said:

    “Yes there is a much more simply theory…she and Jack have decided they want off the island. She doesn’t want them to kill her and Jack for the death of Naomi…so telling them that Locke is the one they want helps here cause.”

    Well, kind of – but it’s not enough of an explanation for me – two reasons:

    1. Kate’s a fugitive, and we know she can tell a lie. Why not just come up with something?

    2. EVEN considering that, later on, she had reason to suspect that ghost-buster/whisperer dude could tell if she were lying – that STILL doesn’t explain why, in answer to Faraday’s question, she used the word ‘MOST’ – clearly telling him that there are others on the island.

    So – ?[/quote]
    I know you (Omar) and Hammer hashed this out pretty well in the posts that followed this one, but I wanted to add a little something in response to item #1.

    In her past life as a fugitive, Kate became good at lying, but that was when telling the truth would only get her in more trouble. In these first 2 S4 episodes, the truth is what will save her life, so there’s no need to lie. And the two times she gave up Locke’s name were when Naomi had a knife to her throat, and when Miles had a gun pointed at Jack. With the urgency of those two situations there wasn’t time nor a need to think up a lie.

  103. Omar Kamel says:

    [quote comment="179341"]And the two times she gave up Locke’s name were when Naomi had a knife to her throat, and when Miles had a gun pointed at Jack. With the urgency of those two situations there wasn’t time nor a need to think up a lie.[/quote]

    Not quite. The 1st time, when in reply to whether or not they’re all there – as Faraday asks, she says ‘most’ of us. No knife at her neck, no Miles acting all crazy on her. Nothing. Pure choice. And by doing so, she didn’t just give up Locke but revealed the existence of the other group. It felt like a betrayal of sorts to me, and I’m still wondering why she’d do that.

  104. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="179360"]
    Not quite. The 1st time, when in reply to whether or not they’re all there – as Faraday asks, she says ‘most’ of us. No knife at her neck, no Miles acting all crazy on her. Nothing. Pure choice. And by doing so, she didn’t just give up Locke but revealed the existence of the other group. It felt like a betrayal of sorts to me, and I’m still wondering why she’d do that.[/quote]
    I was thinking back to the first episode this season, when Naomi falls from a tree and puts a knife to Kate’s throat. Kate says its wasn’t “us” that put the knife in her back, it was John Locke.

  105. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="179112"]You really don’t get it do you?
    Abaddon sent Danny,Charlotte, Miles and Frank for a “special” reason.
    He sent them because each one of them found out about the island one way or the other.
    Danny had a special connection,Miles talks to ghosts,Charlotte is uncovering Dharma projects and Frank called them directly to state they are lying.

    So Abaddon sent’s them to get killed.
    Naomi herself stated that they are the worst men for that job,not military trained and no combat experience.
    Abaddon is original Dharma.He knows that Ben took over,so sending them on that island with a mission to get Ben,is the most certain way that they will get killed (By Ben and the others)
    Tish also implicates that Abaddon himself is Ben’s man on the freighter,giving him heads-up so Ben could kill them.
    Remember last episode he asked Hugo “Are they still alive?”
    They are a problem,sent on the island to be solved.[/quote]

    I think this theory has possibilities. I had already guessed that the O6 were keeping their secrete and protecting Ben. Also, could Abaddon be an Other rather than Dharma?

    Deangoddes We know thazt Charlotte was chasing Dharma clues. Frank called the hotline and tipped tham off that he was on to something. We will find out later what Miles and Dan found out and how Abaddon might have learned about it.

    Whoever Abaddon is working with he has a lot of connections.

  106. Miraks says:

    [quote comment="177738"]Ben seems to be a lot more interesting this season. I mean, even in the position he’s in (being on a leash XD) he still manages to stay somewhat calm, still tormenting people’s minds and is probably figuring out a way to run.

    “A man on their boat.” That sentence has been making me think for such a long time. Why would they need 4 people in a helicopter to get Ben if it can’t even support 4 people? Much less another person. Are reinforcements coming? Gah! This is such an awesome show! XD[/quote]

    I think they just need to get those 4 people on the island so they can a signal to zero on in, and then send more people. (because the island is invisible to the outside world)

  107. Circus Mom says:

    For those that theorize that Jack and the 6 steal the rescuers helo and escape.

    The helo at the end of the preview for next week was a different (white) helo.

    As to who is in the 6, Desmond saw Clair get into a helo in a vision.

    Why is/was Ben building a runway.

  108. Miraks says:

    [quote comment="177750"]In response to Dany, we all know that Oceanic 815 crashed on the island in two sections, but the real world has no idea. For whatever reason, Oceanic wants everyone to believe that it crashed in the ocean and everyone died. I think this is a huge cover up and somehow Abaddon is at the helm.
    [/quote]

    The reason why Oceanic staged the fake 815 is because they want people to STOP looking for 815. They know that the plane landed on the island, but that there is no way it can be found. In order for the world to stop looking for 815 the world is given an 815.

  109. Miraks says:

    [quote comment="178076"]about Kate’s attitude toward the other group, Omar Kamel you mentioned maybe Kate is working for Ben

    while I don’t necessarily believe (or want to believe) this, we still have not found out what happened to Kate after she shared the quaint breakfast on the beach with Ben

    he said “the next two weeks will be very uncomfortable” and then the next thing we see is Kate being put in the cage opposite Sawyer and the handcuffs have torn her wrists up

    maybe ben brainwashed her in a way? or showed her something to change the way she thinks about things?

    also, i didn’t notice the freckle-absence issue, but depending on when that happens, maybe it is related?

    maybe the kate we have seen the past few episodes is really her evil doppelganger?

    ok, now i’m rambling but you get the point…[/quote]
    I don’t buy the doppelganger theory, but maybe Ben informed Kate that if she worked with him (secretly) he could make all her outside problems go away in some way? Maybe that is the reason she is no longer wanted by the police?

  110. Miraks says:

    reasons for the new foursome.
    Charlotte- when she is shown the newspaper, I believe she says “how many languages do they have to print it in for people to believe it” -or something very close to that. In any way, I got the impression that she was being sarcastic- as in, she knew that was not the real 815.
    Miles- since he talks to dead people, he might know that the people on 815 were not really dead. Maybe the ghost he was talking to in the room was one of the dead people on the fake 815? Maybe his body was being used as the fake passanger Michael?
    the pilot dude- obviously he is someone who would not buy the 815 story, so he had to be involved in the mission.
    Daniel- there is a definite connection- just not sure what that one is yet.

  111. Lostit says:

    [quote comment="177950"]anybody notice the picture miles was showing juliette when they found out she was not on the plane? I’m talking about the picture of BEN. Look familiar to anyone? Allow me to share a theory—

    When John Locke was in his “sweat lodge”, during the vision in which Boone was wheeling him in his wheelchair around the airport, we saw Hurley working as a TSA agent, and WE SAW BEN WALKING THROUGH AIRPORT SECURTIY.

    Somebody correct me if I’m wrong, but I seem to remember Ben turning around while walking through the metal detector. At this moment the photo (which Miles is holding) was taken.

    Think about it.[/quote]

    Definately. I immediately flashed back to that episode when I saw the picture.

  112. deangoodes says:

    Miraks-It wasn’t Charlotte who said How many languages, it was her friend. She was trying to explain to Charlotte that it was for real even though Charlotte couldn’t believe it.

    Also, after Ben and Kate had their breakfast and alone time, Ben kept treating her like crap; locking her up in the bear cages is one example I can think of off the top of my head.

  113. Jimmyf0x says:

    Hi guys, first time poster here. Quite sure, the plane crash is being covered up, hence the dummy plane in the sea, with a john doe at the controls so know questions are raised. People will stop looking.

    My point is; didn’t Charlotte, on discovery of a polar bear fossil in a desert, state; this is 2 million years old?

    Is there not some sort of case for time travel; ala The jongeliers by Stephen King. Why did Juilliet have to be ‘put out’ to travel to the island by submarine? I have a crazy hunch that its all biblical. The island is symbolic of the garden of eden. Jacob, a mysterious figure is a metaphor for God. Ben is the snake. I bet you could match characters up to all the known names in religion.

  114. lostlaur says:

    [quote comment="179458"]
    Is there not some sort of case for time travel; ala The jongeliers by Stephen King. Why did Juilliet have to be ‘put out’ to travel to the island by submarine? I have a crazy hunch that its all biblical. The island is symbolic of the garden of eden. Jacob, a mysterious figure is a metaphor for God. Ben is the snake. I bet you could match characters up to all the known names in religion.[/quote]

    I don’t know if the whole thing can be wrapped up in solely biblical terms- there’s a lot of things going on here but i DO think that you have a point that there are some biblical undertones to a lot of what goes on. I think a lot of the show has to do with the line between good and evil too. It can sort of be seen in how the island seems to effect the characters’ personalities- the whole mirror theory. There’s also been emphasis on black and white- the rocks found with Adam and Eve, Locke’s eyes in Claire’s nightmares in season 1, backgammon- I’m sure there’s more thats just what I have off the top of my head.

  115. lostlaur says:

    also- am I the only one is DYING to see more of Jacob’s cabin/ Jacob?? I’d totally give up freightie answers for more of the shifting shack.

    and a question: I thought Sawyer not calling Kate freckles & starting to break away from her had something to do with Juliet. I remember last season she confronted him and said he’d been distant ever since he went into Juliet’s tent and watched those tapes or something along those lines. I’m pretty sure I missed something here so if anyone could clear that up I’d be totally grateful.

  116. A Kelly says:

    [quote comment="179494"]also- am I the only one is DYING to see more of Jacob’s cabin/ Jacob?? I’d totally give up freightie answers for more of the shifting shack.

    and a question: I thought Sawyer not calling Kate freckles & starting to break away from her had something to do with Juliet. I remember last season she confronted him and said he’d been distant ever since he went into Juliet’s tent and watched those tapes or something along those lines. I’m pretty sure I missed something here so if anyone could clear that up I’d be totally grateful.[/quote]

    I believe Kate was referring to when Sawyer went with Locke. Locke gave him the tape with Juliette’s plans on them and then took Sawyer to the brig to kill Locke’s Dad/Sawyer’s Revenge. Sawyer has been distant because he just killed a man and I think it is really messing with his head.

    I think he stopped calling her freckles right before that got back from being imprisoned with the others. “Freckles” and “James” were their pet names for each other during that time, they got in a fight on the way back and then it went back to “Kate” and “Sawyer”.

    Hope that cleared it up for you.

  117. Terry says:

    Ok,

    This is my firstime here so forgive any unknown prior posts or references. I have read through this one fairly well so I hope not to put a foot into it.

    Someone noted about the fact that Richard appears to be timeless………not having aged since first meeting Ben as a young child until now when Ben is obviously much older.

    The Polar Bear in Tunisia is a clear reference to some form of teleportation. How else could they bouce around the planet. Remember the ladies in the looking glass, Mikhail said he thought they were on assignment in Canada. They did not bop all over the globe in that submarine………he killed the original owners/operators of that…..where would they refuel……too much time to travel etc etc.

    Ben ‘grew-up’ on the island with a father than did not care. As with any other kid he no doubt found out about everything that Dharma were doing and ABLE to do. His friends are not unlike our LOST folks are were somehow brought to the island…..to repent perhaps….

    The reason the flight crashed there is because Ben made it come there. He wanted a surgeon to fix his tumour.

    Women die having babies there because they are dead to begin with and therefore cannot bear life without twisting reality…..everyone other than Ben is already dead….the new rescuers know he is manipulating them for his own purpose.

    Desmond sees the future as he is on a ‘loop’ where everything is happening to him again and again…….remember the woman with the ring insisting he give it back as it was not supposed to go that way……..who was she….how did she know?

    Well lets hope another piece of puzzle gets us closer this week.

    Terry

  118. Lost Chicka says:

    hey, great comments everybody!

    #83: charlotte wore a bullet proof vest probably because they had knowledge that someone or something on the island killed naomi or because they knew ben was dangerous. it has nothing to do with space/time continuum!!!

    #85: i think they just wanted to tell us where they were or where they’re from probably for a number of reasons like 1) so we don’t think they were all in the same place 2) we don’t think they all could’ve know each other before 3) we don’t think they’re somewhere on the island, and 4) just for information on them. but it could mean something or will mean something later on in the show.

    #89 i get how charlotte would know about the island but how would danny, miles, and especially frank???? and why would abaddon want them dead??? if he sends them to the island he wouldn’t need them dead, he could force them to stay there and carry out dharma’s plans. it’s a good theory and there’s plenty of time for it to be proven right or wrong. and they’re a wierd group of people and it is definitly for a reason. i’m undecided on the reason tho.

    toeknee: annie rocks!!!! (and that’s the end for now)

    circus mom: that would be a jaw dropper. abadon is an other. (my mouth dropped when i read it!) oh, and the others were building the runway for the aliens, :) but juliet was joking when she said that :( ……

    miraks: ben could and would totally do that!!!!! and 110 is an awesome comment!!

    namaste (just had to do that one) :)

  119. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="179500"][quote comment="179494"]also- am I the only one is DYING to see more of Jacob’s cabin/ Jacob?? I’d totally give up freightie answers for more of the shifting shack.

    and a question: I thought Sawyer not calling Kate freckles & starting to break away from her had something to do with Juliet. I remember last season she confronted him and said he’d been distant ever since he went into Juliet’s tent and watched those tapes or something along those lines. I’m pretty sure I missed something here so if anyone could clear that up I’d be totally grateful.[/quote]

    I believe Kate was referring to when Sawyer went with Locke. Locke gave him the tape with Juliette’s plans on them and then took Sawyer to the brig to kill Locke’s Dad/Sawyer’s Revenge. Sawyer has been distant because he just killed a man and I think it is really messing with his head.

    I think he stopped calling her freckles right before that got back from being imprisoned with the others. “Freckles” and “James” were their pet names for each other during that time, they got in a fight on the way back and then it went back to “Kate” and “Sawyer”.

    Hope that cleared it up for you.[/quote]
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    I had posted this on another thread, but I’ll repeat it here. According to the transcripts at Lost-TV.com, it seems that the last time Sawyer called Kate “Freckles” was in the “Catch22″ episode, which occurred after they got back from their imprisonment. In fact, remember that after they had that fight on their way back, they made up and got back together. On the night that Locke came to get Sawyer in “The Brig”, Sawyer and Kate had just finished…….. y’know……

    I think the reason Sawyer stopped calling her “Freckles” has to do with the changes in Sawyer after he killed the original Sawyer. He became a darker person – remember how he killed Tom (Mr. Friendly) pretty much without hesitation?

  120. characterzero815 says:

    First time post… I have not read every thing in this blog but there sure are some interesting theories. Just was wondering if the four on the chopper were related to those killed in the purge? I get the sense that Charlotte is the daughter of someone from the island…? Would make sense as to why they were chosen to go. And Im almost 100% sure they are not there to help Ben, my guess is they want him dead and he knows it!

  121. Bobola says:

    The weirdest thing for me – and I haven’t heard much talk about this – so maybe other people don’t think it’s weird – was the apparent willingness of Kate to surrender Locke and his camp.

    Very good observation there.
    Well, Kate has never seemed to me to be very bright either. Sneaky yes, but dumb in general. Seems that on an island like this you either learn your survival skills quickly or you can easily die. Seen too many people that should be dead already. Maybe she blabbed to get back at Sawyer for choosing the other side.

    One key Survival skill I predict will fail;
    Someone is going to drop the ball keeping a close eye on Ben; already happened more than once.
    And Someone will probably let Miles get the drop on them; he’s like a hyena waiting to make his move. I’d have those Heli-Crew tied up by now and I’d be trying like hell to get that Bullet proof vest to fit onto my island starved frame. Then I’d do to them what Locke is doing to Ben; talk to me or take a bullet. I love everyone until they point a gun at me; then all bets are off. Miles pointed the gun first so now he would be dead as soon as he hesitated to talk or sounded like he was bullshitting me. This game is for keeps.

    I also be looking thru the Chopper for goodies and sweets….the writers really seem to be missing the flavor of how deprived folks would be after weeks without the foodstuffs we would all be dying for after a week or two.

  122. 4815162342 says:

    i think that the group of four rescuers are there for reasons more than they know about the fake plane crash. after all, if the pilot of 815 wasn’t wearing his wedding ring don’t you think his wife would notice? maybe she was taken care of or maybe she is on the mission? either way i am guessing more than four people would doubt this crash in the ocean.

  123. Laura says:

    Lost Chicka – my point in bringing up the locations is that Lost does not give us extra useless information (at least it appears that way), so I was wondering what the point was in specifically saying Faraday was from Essex, Massachusetts. All of your points were have been covered if they had simply said Massachusetts. I tried using anagram service to find any thing there but had some trouble, I think there is some sort of easter egg built into the names that is all

  124. Laura says:

    Maybe Abbadon is the guy on the boat…

  125. Pippy says:

    JimmyFox
    #113

    Since you thought some of this might be Biblically related I thought you might be interested in the following. I had this on another thread, but copied part of it here.:

    One of my friends sent me the following theory about the significance of the names of the newbies – Her husband and one of his friends came up with it:
    You had a CS Lewis (Charlotte Staples Lewis) with a PhD from Oxford, Matthew Abaddon (from Revelation as ruling angel of the abyss, name comes from Hebrew word for destroy) Daniel Faraday (Michael Faraday discovered electromagnetic induction), Naomi (from Ruth), and George Minkowski (Hermann Minkowski early 20th century mathmatician that invented 4 dimetional view of Einstein’s theories, aka “space-time”).
    I added to this the fact that Benjamin means “son of the right hand” which could be a reference to the fact that Christ sets at the right hand of the father. So, maybe Ben is to be seen as a sort of Christ figure. Maybe he is not evil, but is being perceived as such by the others, much the way Christ was rejected? Jacob in the Bible is the father of the 12 tribes of Israel, so could that be significant for the “ghost” Jacob in the cabin? Is he some sort of God or father of the nation symbol? CS Lewis was big on spiritual allegory in his book “The Lion, The witch and The Wardrobe” Could it be that LOST is to be seen as a similiar allegory?
    Someone in a post on another thread mentioned that Dharma means “path of righteousness” Also, Naomi from the book of Ruth in the Bible returns home to her people, could it be that Naomi had some connection with the “others” in her past?
    Also, John Locke, was the philosopher of freedom he lived from 1632-1704….the name Jack is a derivative of John – John and Jack seem to be rivals in the quest to “save” everyone. They both want freedom, just different kinds.

    I would be interesed in your thoughts. These of course are just rambling theories.

  126. John says:

    exactly, characterzero815.
    The anger Miles showed when he heared Juliet Burke wasn’t on the plane. He got pretty agressive.

    (Classic Jack action when said to back-off!!, byw)

  127. John says:

    My bet is Michael (Dawson) Although IMDB says he’s filming at the moment.

  128. Sparky says:

    A quick question,
    havent seen it anywhere,
    We have seen that Locke can somehow predict the weather. My question is, can he predict or somehow control it?
    Since he has a special connection to the island.

    any thoughts?

  129. leah says:

    hi dont know if any body aware ,when abaddon [a-bad-one]speaks to hurley in the hospital we assume he was askin if the losties were still alive ,but he must have been asking about the helcopter team .it was a considerable time later, long after hurley got back.so none of the helecopter four come back ?
    I sorry about the abrupt slang,spelling mistakes, and all and mobile phone type text,But i get so exited about lost,from manchester,cant get my words down quick enough.watched it from the start of’jacks eye’you might say.apologies if its been mentioned already ,bit behind with me reading[comments].

  130. RGS says:

    [quote comment="179754"]JimmyFox
    #113

    Since you thought some of this might be Biblically related I thought you might be interested in the following. I had this on another thread, but copied part of it here.:

    One of my friends sent me the following theory about the significance of the names of the newbies – Her husband and one of his friends came up with it:
    You had a CS Lewis (Charlotte Staples Lewis) with a PhD from Oxford, Matthew Abaddon (from Revelation as ruling angel of the abyss, name comes from Hebrew word for destroy) Daniel Faraday (Michael Faraday discovered electromagnetic induction), Naomi (from Ruth), and George Minkowski (Hermann Minkowski early 20th century mathmatician that invented 4 dimetional view of Einstein’s theories, aka “space-time”).
    I added to this the fact that Benjamin means “son of the right hand” which could be a reference to the fact that Christ sets at the right hand of the father. So, maybe Ben is to be seen as a sort of Christ figure. Maybe he is not evil, but is being perceived as such by the others, much the way Christ was rejected? Jacob in the Bible is the father of the 12 tribes of Israel, so could that be significant for the “ghost” Jacob in the cabin? Is he some sort of God or father of the nation symbol? CS Lewis was big on spiritual allegory in his book “The Lion, The witch and The Wardrobe” Could it be that LOST is to be seen as a similiar allegory?
    Someone in a post on another thread mentioned that Dharma means “path of righteousness” Also, Naomi from the book of Ruth in the Bible returns home to her people, could it be that Naomi had some connection with the “others” in her past?
    Also, John Locke, was the philosopher of freedom he lived from 1632-1704….the name Jack is a derivative of John – John and Jack seem to be rivals in the quest to “save” everyone. They both want freedom, just different kinds.

    I would be interesed in your thoughts. These of course are just rambling theories.[/quote]

    There have been quite a few theories as to the deeper meanings of the names of the characters. IMO it is interesting that the writers would give a specific name to a character I’m not ready to believe that aspect is a major part of the story. To me it’s more of the “Pop Up Video” type of information.

    Re: Ben being a Christ-like figure. In my opinion it is way too late for that kind of connection. First he has aligned himself with the Others so I don’t think they rejected him. If you meant others referencing the 815ers, he still is correctly being cast as the bad guy, since to their knowledge he’s tortured, kidnapped, ordered people to be killed, and attempted to kill people.

    Since Ben is pretty much a bad guy (at least to me) the deeper meaning of his name would be at odds. Since his name is at odds, other names could be too.

  131. Joel says:

    Hi! The new season has us all revved up, doesn’t it! RGS, one more thought for your point is this: Ben’s character was originally only supposed to be in 3-4 episodes (from an interview with the actor who plays him). He caught on, and the writers worked him into the larger plot. So the name and its larger meaning may or may not fit (since he was originally “Henry Gale”, it still COULD work).

    I’d like to throw this question out there. When Jack, Kate, and Faraday first came upon Miles, he appeared to be lifeless. How did he know to play dead(his face was under his parachute)?

    Also, back in S3 when Charlie spoke to Penny through the monitor, didn’t anyone else question how it was that she was there precisely at the moment he broke through the jamming device? What, does she sit in front of her monitor constantly searching/waiting?

  132. leah says:

    hi ,did anyone else think the house where the ghost whisperer performed his ‘thingy’was familiar?[It had a look of the house ana lucia took jacks father to] Also ,was that heroin he put back in the wall?
    Could this be a link ,to mr eko,and co…..madonna statues..little lost planes..?just a thought.

  133. SuzySchool says:

    This show is the best!! I’m still reeling!! I love the mind plays and the twists….love it all!!!

  134. skweez says:

    Joel—

    I believe Miles was “playing dead” because he may have saw Kate and Jack coming his way with Dan. He knows that Dan is not the combat type of guy and wanted to get a good drop on them.

    As for the Penny situation, I’m a bit confused as well. I can only come to the conclusion that as soon as the signal went through, she was alerted and immediately went to her computer.

  135. Miraks says:

    So here is a thought I have been expending further- feel free to debunk. What is Kate is the “bad guy”.
    Here is my thought. Kate had a breakfast meeting with Ben. We don’t know what happened during that meeting, only that he told her the next two weeks “would be hell”. IMO he was refering to her being locked up in the cage for a while. The deal they made was that he would make all her legal troubles go away on the mainland. In exchange, she would help him.

    First, Ben needed Jack to form a relationship with Juliette, but that would not happen as long as Jack was hung up on Kate. Kate had to play at being in love with Sawyer (including that “impromptu” rump in the cage) to get Jack to back off. (Ben knew that if Jack thought Kate was into Sawyer he would do the noble thing and back off, not fight.) This allowed Juliette to bond with Jack.

    Second, it always bothered me that Kate and Sawyer escaped the Others smaller island. The “Jack was holding Ben medically hostage” explanation just doesn’t cut it. I’m sure Ben could have figured something out. It would make more sense for him to “let them go” if Kate was in on it.

    Third, Kate kept “playing” Sawyer, but you knew that she was really still in love with Jack- shooting him loving looks all the time and being jelous of Juliette.

    Fourth…., Kate has been acting odd- giving up information way too readily. She was the only one who followed Naomi- who knows what conversation she had with her, or, given that Naomi had the phone with her, with the frighter people.

    Anyway, I don’t trust her anymore. Maybe the “him” she was refering to in the flash forward at the end of last season could even be Ben?

  136. Harmz says:

    Did anyone else notice in Miles flashback, when he goes to the grandmas’ house, they show you the picture of the victim in a tacky frame, but once he’s finished with his ghost busting and goes back down stairs, the same picture’s in a different frame.

  137. Roaring Leo says:

    Not one news agency would broadcast a corpse on tv. I don’t care if it is live.

  138. LovesLost says:

    Hi everyone – I’m pretty sure the strike is over…do we have any confirmation on whether we’re getting 16 episodes or not? I’m keeping my fingers crossed…I would be soo happy if we do!

  139. LM says:

    Anyone have an update on the strike? 16 episodes or 8?

  140. Nick says:

    [quote comment="180124"]Anyone have an update on the strike? 16 episodes or 8?[/quote]

    We don’t have any confirmation yet, but recent articles quoting both Matthew Fox and D&C suggest that we will have more than 8. Whether we have only 12 or the full 16 hasn’t been made public yet, that I know of.

  141. SuzySchool says:

    #135….I can buy into the idea of Kate being the “bad guy”. My mouth hit the floor when I read your thought, that perhaps she has to get back to Ben in the S3 finale flash forward…eeerie!!! Anything is possible with this show.

    In what episode is the breakfast Kate and Ben had together? I just don’t remember that!

  142. The answers to the show Lost can be found in the two films: “The Innoccents”, and “Let’s Scare Jessica To Death”.

  143. nicole says:

    the plane they found in the begining of the episode was not flight 815. the plane in the ocean was whole. Flight 815 broke in half and part of the plane landed on the island in the sand. that is where they got most of their supplies in the pilot episode. they also built their ‘boat’ out of the parts of the plane in an attempt to leave the island. some of their shelter is made from parts of the plane. i think it is a cover up plane that someone has planted in the ocean to cover up the crash so the public is able to move on.

  144. nicole says:

    i think that the man that ben has on the ‘rescuers’ boat is micheal. when micheal and walt were let go, they were given a buch of coordinates to follow and they were suppose to find a boat that would ‘take them home’. i think that boat was the ‘rescuers’ looking for ben but was not able to find them because of the radar that was being blocked, until charlie released it. once it was released, ben knew they would be able to find them.

  145. nicole says:

    fred c. dobs…what do you mean by those movies having answers…they dont really have anything to do with the show…can you explain

  146. samsandrasan says:

    I just posted this on the other Confirmed Dead thread and came to check here if anyone had seen what I did. Sure enough, Hammer commented on it here. Here is my post from the other thread:

    I have just a few things I noticed that I wanted to bounce off of the old folks here (Hammer ; >).

    You all have been talking about the picture in the ladies house that looked like a young Eko. What no one has talked about and what I just noticed is that the pictures change! Do some screen shots before he does the “exorcism” and after he does it.
    The top picture is gone (see the mark on the wall); the other pictures are different. The one picture they show previously of the boy in the large plain gold frame is now smaller and in a more ornate frame. This is why he was looking at the photos. Furthermore the middle picture that is there before he goes up shows an adult, a teenage boy (or a woman) and a toddler girl. The adult looks similar to Michael (I can only see a skewed view of it). Something changed when he did the “exorcism”.

    Also, when Ben shot Charlotte he shot her once. I watched the scene several times. Yet she has two bullets in the vest and the second bullet leaves a bruise you see in a later scene.

  147. nicole says:

    in response to the earlier comments about the polarbear being sent there…i think the polarbear was an expirement by dharma, and was produced by dharma. how could a polarbear be sent to an island and be expected to survive. also, when rewatching the earlier seasons…the episode when the guys are out on the ‘boat’ they have constructed out of plane leftovers, they flash into the water at the sharks, and on one of their fins is a dharma symbol. there is also a dharma symbol on the wing of the plane.(the part that they use for their ‘boat’)

  148. Laura says:

    I watched the scene several times as well and am pretty sure he shot her twice.

  149. Dany says:

    Hello everyone, I just pasted and copied this from CNN.. still no word on how many episodes…

    quote:
    “Lost” has been back on the air just two weeks. But the strike meant a planned 16-episode shooting schedule was halted after just eight episodes were shot. Fans braced themselves for no more this season.

    “But we very much want to come back and do as many episodes as possible,” said Lindelof, who then listed a few issues that first need to be settled.

    “How many episodes can best serve our story? And what are the production realities?” He noted that the shooting facility in Hawaii, 2,500 miles from his Los Angeles office, had been shuttered since Thanksgiving. The crew has dispersed, the huge cast has scattered.

    The first new post-strike episode of “Lost” could possibly be ready for broadcast the week after episode eight appears, he said. There likely would be three or four more after that.

    Could there be even more?

    “I’d be surprised if the network wanted to air episodes deep into the summer,” he said. But if all the pieces fell into place, “Lost” fans would be blessed: “I don’t see why we couldn’t deliver all eight remaining episodes.”

    That kind of zeal should warm viewers’ hearts. Lindelof and the rest of TV’s creative community seem delighted to be back.

    Almost as delighted as we are.
    end quote

  150. Dany says:

    Hi guys, this is from CNN – on the writers strike and how it’ll affect LOST

    quote:
    “Lost” has been back on the air just two weeks. But the strike meant a planned 16-episode shooting schedule was halted after just eight episodes were shot. Fans braced themselves for no more this season.

    “But we very much want to come back and do as many episodes as possible,” said Lindelof, who then listed a few issues that first need to be settled.

    “How many episodes can best serve our story? And what are the production realities?” He noted that the shooting facility in Hawaii, 2,500 miles from his Los Angeles office, had been shuttered since Thanksgiving. The crew has dispersed, the huge cast has scattered.

    The first new post-strike episode of “Lost” could possibly be ready for broadcast the week after episode eight appears, he said. There likely would be three or four more after that.

    Could there be even more?

    “I’d be surprised if the network wanted to air episodes deep into the summer,” he said. But if all the pieces fell into place, “Lost” fans would be blessed: “I don’t see why we couldn’t deliver all eight remaining episodes.”

    That kind of zeal should warm viewers’ hearts. Lindelof and the rest of TV’s creative community seem delighted to be back.

    Almost as delighted as we are.
    end quote

  151. DocH says:

    Thoughts:

    1) One of the major entertainment reviewers, one of the best, says he believes that the picture “changing” in the Inglewood/Miles scene was just an honest continuity error by the production folks – not a plotline.

    2) The “exorcism” was no such thing. SureMiles communicates with the whatever it was, but the machine was just a noise maker to sell the act. Demanding extra cash and the “don’t come in” helps sell the scam too. Miles little buddy was probably not related to the lady in the house, but an accomplice sent to route out the cash & drugs. Notice the little speech where Miles dismisses his ghostie, like… your done, we’re done, mission accomplished, now go.

  152. lost chicka says:

    the rescuers are definitly not there to help ben or else he wouldn’t have revealed them. well, unless it was part of a manipulation.

    agree with bobola (#121) they need to treat the “rescuers” like they are ben and use the vests!! i’d think they’d have enough common sense for that. maybe they’ll do it this thurs. oh, and i loved it when vincent was running through the jungle with charlotte’s tracker thing. that was cute!

    if the biblical jacob was the father of the 12 tribes of israel, could the island jacob be the father of the x tribes of the island?

    #130: or it could be like through the looking glass and he’s really good on the outside world, just on the island he’s bad…. but he really is a bad guy, but the good kind of bad guy that I love so much I don’t want to believe he’s bad even tho he’s: betrayed his own people, killed his own father, killed everyone in the barracks, manipulates people, won’t allow anyone to leave the island, sends infilltratots to the lostie’s camp, kidnaps a pregnant woman, has charlie hung, forces locke to kill his father, shoots locke because he can talk to jacob, and uses people…but i love ben, the little bug eyed dictator!

    #132: ana lucia took christian to claire’s aunt’s house in australia.

    #135 ben was out of it for the surgery and wasn’t awake when jack let kate and sawyer go….ben could be the person she has to get back to and is still controlling her off the island.

    i thought at first the polar bear was in the desert from a dharma “demonstration.” is like 30 years long enough for something to decay like that???? or would it have to be timetravel. i think it has to be time travel unless it could decay in about 30 years. i have no clue on that so….

    and i think pretty much everyone on here agrees that michael HAS to be ben’s person on the boat.

  153. LostieYasi says:

    Just something quick…i didn’t get to read all of the comments above so I’m not sure if anyone else already commented on this. I’m watching episode 2 season 4 again right now…

    Daniel’s last name is Faraday… and it made me realize that Faraday had to do with a law or something I learned in physics. So I looked it up on Wikipedia and it seems like wiki’s already connected that to Lost!
    Here’s what they wrote which directly coincides with what I thought in the first place…
    “Michael Faraday was a famous British chemist and physicist (or natural philosopher) of the 19th century. He studied electromagnetism (one of the supposed properties of the Island) and observed the effect magnetic fields can have on rays of light (something Daniel appears to comment on)”

    …hmmmm!

  154. nicole says:

    what was with the cow?

  155. Omar Kamel says:

    [quote comment="180242"]and i think pretty much everyone on here agrees that michael HAS to be ben’s person on the boat.[/quote]

    At the risk of being the single moron to say so – I don’t think Michael is Ben’s man on the boat.

    I understand WHY people think so – but I’m not sold. For some reason it doesn’t make sense to me.

  156. leah says:

    mikhail,the eye patchis bens man is the on the boat! ,we have seen him die twice is it?where did he pop up from when charlie was locked in the jamming room at the looking glass? he is bens eves dropper.remember his job in the hut locke blew up?he spied on ,got informatio for,filmed every movements of.well? juliet for one and her sister,Thats how ben knows about the helecopter four.and all their background information.

  157. ghostrider says:

    As I recall Fred C. Dobbs was the character played by Humphrey Bogart in ‘Treasure of the Sierra Madre’. Good choice for comments on this site.

  158. DocH says:

    [quote comment="180298"]Daniel’s last name is Faraday… and it made me realize that Faraday had to do with a law or something I learned in physics. [/quote]
    Yep… catch up… from Essex, Mass. In capital letters “EM” – electro-mag. Swan Hatch link. Charl Stap Lewis = CS LEWIS. We get it. Miles Straume – maelstrom. we get it. Frank Lapidus – google it, we got it.

    Others comments: not a COW. no udders… boy parts… a STEER at least… maybe a BULL… did not look that close… definitely not a COW.

  159. ghostrider says:

    Is that you, tw?

  160. leah says:

    was the polar bear in tunisia/charlotte scene a forward flash? she seems alot older than she does on the island?could she learn about the polar bears whilt she is on the island now?and then, get home and discover the buried bones?….she could EVEN have some connection in putting it in tunisia in the first !place…WGNABB………. just a passing thought

  161. leah says:

    MIKHAILS COW ..ER I MEAN BULL ….FROM THE STOCKADE.

  162. leah says:

    Mikhails cow..er i mean bull.from the stockade.

  163. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="180342"][quote comment="180242"]and i think pretty much everyone on here agrees that michael HAS to be ben’s person on the boat.[/quote]

    At the risk of being the single moron to say so – I don’t think Michael is Ben’s man on the boat.

    I understand WHY people think so – but I’m not sold. For some reason it doesn’t make sense to me.[/quote]
    I agree. I think they are looking for where he fits, but I don’t think this is it.

  164. samsandrasan says:

    Laura
    Okay, I take that back about the gunshots. I hear one but see two. Really fast gun. But, check out the photos in the house, they are definitely different after Miles comes out of the room. It’s like some people were erased.

  165. hrhbuttercup says:

    Okay – great comments on all that has happened so far. But, has anyone pondered this? Maybe Ben and Abbadon are in cahoots with each other? Maybe Oceanic Airlines is run by Dharma and the whole thing was a setup – Ben picked out all of the passengers(that’s why he knows all about them) by manipulating their lives so they would have to take that particular flight?
    If the chopper can take out 6 of the Losties would it have only made one trip – it seems that perhaps Sayid may know how to fly that bird and maybe they steal it and leave all the crew behind – that leaves only 2 more to figure out of the 6(Jin and Sun?)They’d want to get all the prego women off the island so they could live, right?

    Oh, and is anyone else curious about what Richard(Maybelline) and the other Others are doing at the Temple? If that is where they are and why haven’t we seen it yet?

  166. A Kelly says:

    Okay while I have believed it was Michael on the boat for most of the week, I have changed my mind

    I think Michael will fit back into the picture in the flash-forwards somehow. One of the Oceanic 6 will run into him off the island.

    As far as Patchy being the man on the boat, it seems unlikely. Ben knows everything about Charlotte and the other freighter tots. Patchy was just recently down at the looking glass. It doesn’t seem like he would have enough time to infiltrate the boat and learn all that in one day.

    So this brings me to who I think IS on the boat. I think that it is Kelvin (Desmond’s trainer from the hatch). I don’t think that Des actually killed him, and that Kelvin is working with Ben and has been the whole time. I don’t believe he was ever a part of Dharma like he said. The reason i think this is because Naomi had a picture of Desmond and knew about him. As Des wasn’t on the plane, I wondered for a while how she knew about him. My explanation is that Kelvin told her all about him..

    just a guess

  167. Meg says:

    A little off topic, but just as important. The strike is officially over!!!! With at least five more episodes to come!! That means that, at the least, we’ll only be three episodes short this season.

  168. David says:

    I thought the second episode of season 4 was very good. I didn’t like the whole backgound of Miles’ character. Is he a ghostbuster or something? A little TOO far-fetched for me. Other than that it was very well done. I like that the story is going so fast. The hour seems to fly by now.

  169. deangoodes says:

    To HRHBUTTERCUP–You must not remember the very first episode showing the others: Ben and the others came running outside looked up and saw the plane coming down in two pieces. Ben sent out Ethan and others to check on what was happening with the plane segments. They were definitely not expecting this plane on their island.

  170. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="180673"]Okay while I have believed it was Michael on the boat for most of the week, I have changed my mind

    I think Michael will fit back into the picture in the flash-forwards somehow. One of the Oceanic 6 will run into him off the island.

    As far as Patchy being the man on the boat, it seems unlikely. Ben knows everything about Charlotte and the other freighter tots. Patchy was just recently down at the looking glass. It doesn’t seem like he would have enough time to infiltrate the boat and learn all that in one day.

    So this brings me to who I think IS on the boat. I think that it is Kelvin (Desmond’s trainer from the hatch). I don’t think that Des actually killed him, and that Kelvin is working with Ben and has been the whole time. I don’t believe he was ever a part of Dharma like he said. The reason i think this is because Naomi had a picture of Desmond and knew about him. As Des wasn’t on the plane, I wondered for a while how she knew about him. My explanation is that Kelvin told her all about him..

    just a guess[/quote]
    This is the first guess at who is on the freighter that makes sense to me.

  171. vavila says:

    [quote comment="178007"][quote comment="177990"]Hammer :)

    Well, the change in viewpoint sort of, slightly, yes – makes it easier to take but it still provides pretty loose anything-goes drama…

    Also – well, if it takes them dying to get to whatever alternate universe we’re discussing, then they’re ipso-facto-ish ‘ghosts’, no?[/quote]
    Yes. Still ghosts. But they wouldn’t be able to just right off facts to it in the sense of normal Hollywood ghost stories as it your fear. IF I am correct, it would still be a sci-fi type connection because remember, the basis of the story is DHARMA trying to find a way to stop the end of human existence and the island they chose to use for research has mystical powers, it’s not just pergatory.[/quote]

    I agree. I think that one does not necessarily has to die to see those ‘ghosts': remember Eko and his brother? And only certain selected people come in contact with these ghosts and the island enables them to do so – Jacob appears to Ben and Locke, Walt to Locke, Charlie to Hurley, etc. (And perhaps those who are considered to be ‘menetally ill’ like Hurley’s fellow patient can see some of them too?! and this is abnormal for our world but is very normal on the island)

  172. Dany says:

    Leah you may have a point. If Charlotte’s tunisia scene was a flash forward.. could all the rest of the new guys have been flash forward scenes too?
    Daniel was crying over the plane images on TV not remembering he was there… maybe…too far fetched?
    but I like the idea…

  173. roses12 says:

    [quote comment="178410"][quote comment="178393"][quote comment="178186"]We have had the supernatural for quite a while. The box that will bring you anything you want. The smoke monster, Jacks dad. Hurleys friend Dave. Walt’s abilities. Kates horse. The list goes on.[/quote]

    Well, yes and no.
    [/quote]
    ………What do you think the explanation will be for the Others apparent ability to walk on the jungle grounds w/o snapping twigs, bending leaves etc., as they did in Season 1?[/quote]

    There is a legend in Ireland folklore of a great warrior/hunter called Fionn mac Cumhaill who was so light and fast on his feet that he could run through the forest without breaking a twig. I think the natives have developed this skill too.

    Alternatively the Ninja explanation: Ninja’s used Ashiaro, wooden pads attached to the ninja’s tabi (thick socks with a separate “toe” for bigger toe; used with sandals). The ashiaro would be carved to look like an animal’s paw, or a child’s foot, allowing the ninja to leave tracks that most likely would not be noticed.

    I’m not saying that the natives/others are using these tatics just that they can be explained without being supernatural.

  174. Bob says:

    Thoughts on the whispers – who are all the people who have heard them? Russeau, Sayid, who else? The whispers were there when Hurley saw the cabin. Are the whispers Jacob/the island? Are the ones who heard them those with the connection to the island?

    As far as Naomi with the picture of Desmond – I think that Abbadon is Dharma. If they have been monitoring everything on the island, then they could have easily seen Desmond there pushing the button and done research on him. If Ben/others can get so much info on an individual, why not the Dharma? Somethign is still monitoring the island, otherwise there would be no drops of food. Drops from where?

  175. roses12 says:

    #129 there is some speculation that abaddon’s question to Hurley (are they still alive) refers to the freighter 4. But the helo didnt have much fuel, so the Oceanic 6 would only have gotten as far as the boat. So the question as to the well being of the freighter 4 would be dealt with there and then on the boat, not months later back home. What do you think?

  176. Robski says:

    I don’t understand why it HAS to be Michael either. Would be happy to be convinced otherwise, but I don’t know what is the evidence pointing to him being Ben’s man on the freighter?

    Is it because Ben sent him off in a boat, so maybe it was the freighter that picked him up that is the clue or am I misunderstanding everyone? If it is, why would Ben send him to a boat that is possibly out to get him? I understand the concept of it being better to know what your enemies are doing, but Michael hardly seems the best bet? He may have killed and betrayed the Losties, but he was hardly on Ben’s side. And it seemed like he thought he was getting off the island at the end of Season 2 – working as Ben’s insider on a boat trying to get back on the island hardly seems like getting off the island.

    Not saying it’s wrong, I just don’t see what’s so convincing.

    I’m more prepared to believe we’ll see Michael turn up in the flashforwards. Or somewhere else on the island, like the box. But mostly the former – and then we might get to see teenage Walt again. While the Walt being taller comment may have been a nod to the fans, I think it was also the writers saying he is taller, and presumably older, we weren’t trying to hide it.

    I prefer to analyse what we’ve seen rather than guess at what’s coming, but maybe we’ll see Walt in a flashforward being asked to appear to Locke on the island in the past (appearing in places he shouldn’t could also mean times) by one of the Oceanic Six and telling him to kill Naomi to stop the freighties from getting to the island, but it doesn’t work.

    Anyway, great ep. And did anyone nod vigorously at Sawyer’s comment that Ben is probably already working on a way to get ‘em.

  177. LOST24 says:

    [quote comment="180829"]Leah you may have a point. If Charlotte’s tunisia scene was a flash forward.. could all the rest of the new guys have been flash forward scenes too?
    Daniel was crying over the plane images on TV not remembering he was there… maybe…too far fetched?
    but I like the idea…[/quote]
    _________________________________________________________

    I also think the new characters scenes off the island were flash forwards. Pilot guy looked a little older, too. Daniel was probably having a subconscious reaction to the news about the “found” plan.

  178. A Kelly says:

    not sure i can agree that the flashes were flashforwards. It think that these are probably most if not the only flashbacks we get. In other words, the survivors flashes will be forwards, while the freighter`s flashes will be flash backs.

    I don’t think that Oceanic or whoever would go to any great lengths to create a cover up plane with the Oceanic 6 already back. Naomi’s scene was definitely a flash back considering that she was being sent to the island. So why wouldn’t the others.

    As to Naomi’s flash section. I have some ideas that that wasn’t Naomi. In every episode the flashes have been by someone who is alive. Even in Expose, the whole time the flashback was going on, Nikki and Paulo WERE still alive.

    Now if we keep this same logic.. then Naomi would have to be alive since we saw a flash with her in it, OR it wasn’t Naomi in the scene we saw, but her actual sister, possibly the Regina we heard on the sat phone…

  179. A Kelly says:

    [quote comment="180751"]
    This is the first guess at who is on the freighter that makes sense to me.[/quote]

    thanks ;)

  180. Omar Kamel says:

    [quote comment="180902"]Anyway, great ep. And did anyone nod vigorously at Sawyer’s comment that Ben is probably already working on a way to get ‘em.[/quote]

    Sawyer was so right on with that comment, it was, in fact, quite freaky.

    Not so much a nod as a chill up my spine :)

    It’s cool – cause as soon as I saw the 1st episode – I told a friend this factioning off is really cool – cause for a start – it forces more interaction between characters that haven’t interacted so much. Such as, in this case, Ben & Sawyer. It will also be quie incredible to see how Ben will try to play Hurley. That, in itself, is a show.

    Argh. Next Episode! NOW! NOW!

  181. Omar Kamel says:

    And – I don’t think the flashes were forwards, no – although I DO note Faraday’s despair and sadness when watching the news, and his very unlikely response about not knowing why he’s so effected. There’s obviously something there.

    But the fact that we saw the reporting on tv implied to me that it was during the period in which Oceanic was declared found. NOT that I know when exactly that would be :)

    My belief that they’re NOT flash forwards is somewhat based on the notion that if they WERE flashforwards THEN they would all have to survive :)

    And somehow, I don’t see that happening at all.

  182. mres says:

    [quote comment="181008"]not sure i can agree that the flashes were flashforwards.

    As to Naomi’s flash section. I have some ideas that that wasn’t Naomi. In every episode the flashes have been by someone who is alive. Even in Expose, the whole time the flashback was going on, Nikki and Paulo WERE still alive.

    Now if we keep this same logic.. then Naomi would have to be alive since we saw a flash with her in it, OR it wasn’t Naomi in the scene we saw, but her actual sister, possibly the Regina we heard on the sat phone…[/quote]

    Remember that Naomi doesn’t have a sister, that was their code for, “I have a gun to my head”…but you do have a point, I think that Eko had his last flashback before he died, and Charlie died when it wasn’t his episode….
    I would say that this means that Naomi isn’t actually dead (Mikhail), but Miles did ‘communicate’ with her in his ghost way.

  183. jebtion says:

    http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry/TVGuide-Editors-Blog/Ausiello-Report/Exclusive-Ilosti-Boss/800033076

    This is an interview with producers on how they wil navigate finshing out season with 5 additional episodes and than rolling the balance of the three lost episodes into upcoming seasons.

  184. lostfan says:

    I’m totally convinced Michael is on the boat. I’m also almost sure that he’s the dead guy in the coffin in Jack’s flash-forward episode.

    Here’s something to ponder: Why is it we spent the entire second season with the tailies and learned everything about Mr. Eko, Ana-Lucia and even a bit about Bernard, but never, ever had a Libby flashback? Why is it that she only appeared briefly in Desmond’s backstory and even a shorter stint in Hurley’s? Could it be that her dead-husband (who owned the boat that Desmond crashed into the island) has something significant to contribute to this story? Since we know our main characters pretty well by now, do you think she’ll show up in one of these new characters’ stories?

    And – who is Sam/Dan Faraday’s wife? Don’t dismiss is…we were never shown her face…it’s probably significant.

  185. deangoodes says:

    To MRES: I don’t think when Naomi said Tell My Sister I Loved Her was a code. If you watch that part of the episode again, keep an eye on Daniel’s reactions to Miles. He appears to have no idea what Miles is referring to. So I think Miles is making that up for whatever reason, probably to keep the Losties from knowing she does have a sister-possibly Regina who’s on the boat. Anybody else notice that?

  186. RGS says:

    [quote comment="181263"]http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry/TVGuide-Editors-Blog/Ausiello-Report/Exclusive-Ilosti-Boss/800033076

    This is an interview with producers on how they wil navigate finshing out season with 5 additional episodes and than rolling the balance of the three lost episodes into upcoming seasons.[/quote]

    This is pretty good information to know. To me it indicates that not every plot gap is an Easter Egg as some of us are wanting to create.

    Since I am more concerned with the mystery of the Island and who gets off, you guys crowd and confuse my little head with the analysis of easter eggs that probably ultimately have less to do with the big picture, than they do to plain ole oversight, or human error in production.

    But I can admit that some of those “out there” posts do create entertainment for me, and I actually have almost found myself buying into some, before I go to the bathroom, look in the mirror, splash water on my face, and tell myself to get a grip.

  187. Jen says:

    [quote comment="181008"]not sure i can agree that the flashes were flashforwards.

    It think that these are probably most if not the only flashbacks we get. In other words, the survivors flashes will be forwards, while the freighter`s flashes will be flash backs.

    I don’t think that Oceanic or whoever would go to any great lengths to create a cover up plane with the Oceanic 6 already back. Naomi’s scene was definitely a flash back considering that she was being sent to the island. So why wouldn’t the others.

    As to Naomi’s flash section. I have some ideas that that wasn’t Naomi. In every episode the flashes have been by someone who is alive. Even in Expose, the whole time the flashback was going on, Nikki and Paulo WERE still alive.

    Now if we keep this same logic.. then Naomi would have to be alive since we saw a flash with her in it, OR it wasn’t Naomi in the scene we saw, but her actual sister, possibly the Regina we heard on the sat phone…[/quote]

    In regards to the flashes being by someone that is alive…why do we assume that it is Naomi’s flash? Could it not be Abbadon’s flash and just has Naomi in it?

  188. RGS says:

    [quote comment="181101"]And – I don’t think the flashes were forwards, no – although I DO note Faraday’s despair and sadness when watching the news, and his very unlikely response about not knowing why he’s so effected. There’s obviously something there.

    But the fact that we saw the reporting on tv implied to me that it was during the period in which Oceanic was declared found. NOT that I know when exactly that would be :)

    My belief that they’re NOT flash forwards is somewhat based on the notion that if they WERE flashforwards THEN they would all have to survive :)

    And somehow, I don’t see that happening at all.[/quote]

    I don’t know that I seen anyone comment on this, but couldn’t Farraday just be genuinely saddened by the discovery of the plane? Why does there have to be an ulterior reasoning for this? It could be to show that this guy is not some tough as nails persona. Or maybe he was holding out hope that the plane had crashed on an uncharted island, since we don’t know (I don’t think we do) exactly when he is hearing this news report. Couldn’t it have been days after the crash, or a week or whatever?

    I’m just not sure he has to be connected via that flashback. His connection to me, is the fact that he is a scientist.

  189. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="181265"]I’m totally convinced Michael is on the boat. I’m also almost sure that he’s the dead guy in the coffin in Jack’s flash-forward episode.

    Here’s something to ponder: Why is it we spent the entire second season with the tailies and learned everything about Mr. Eko, Ana-Lucia and even a bit about Bernard, but never, ever had a Libby flashback? Why is it that she only appeared briefly in Desmond’s backstory and even a shorter stint in Hurley’s? Could it be that her dead-husband (who owned the boat that Desmond crashed into the island) has something significant to contribute to this story? Since we know our main characters pretty well by now, do you think she’ll show up in one of these new characters’ stories?

    And – who is Sam/Dan Faraday’s wife? Don’t dismiss is…we were never shown her face…it’s probably significant.[/quote]
    Sam and Dan are two different people.

    [quote comment="181265"]I’m totally convinced Michael is on the boat. I’m also almost sure that he’s the dead guy in the coffin in Jack’s flash-forward episode.

    Here’s something to ponder: Why is it we spent the entire second season with the tailies and learned everything about Mr. Eko, Ana-Lucia and even a bit about Bernard, but never, ever had a Libby flashback? Why is it that she only appeared briefly in Desmond’s backstory and even a shorter stint in Hurley’s? Could it be that her dead-husband (who owned the boat that Desmond crashed into the island) has something significant to contribute to this story? Since we know our main characters pretty well by now, do you think she’ll show up in one of these new characters’ stories?

    And – who is Sam/Dan Faraday’s wife? Don’t dismiss is…we were never shown her face…it’s probably significant.[/quote]

  190. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="181266"]To MRES: I don’t think when Naomi said Tell My Sister I Loved Her was a code. If you watch that part of the episode again, keep an eye on Daniel’s reactions to Miles. He appears to have no idea what Miles is referring to. So I think Miles is making that up for whatever reason, probably to keep the Losties from knowing she does have a sister-possibly Regina who’s on the boat. Anybody else notice that?[/quote]
    Daniel seem clueless all around and could very well have forgotten the code.

  191. RGS says:

    [quote comment="181266"]To MRES: I don’t think when Naomi said Tell My Sister I Loved Her was a code. If you watch that part of the episode again, keep an eye on Daniel’s reactions to Miles. He appears to have no idea what Miles is referring to. So I think Miles is making that up for whatever reason, probably to keep the Losties from knowing she does have a sister-possibly Regina who’s on the boat. Anybody else notice that?[/quote]

    I noticed Daniel’s reaction, but I would have simply put that in the category of him not knowing the little code. If Miles’ flashback suggests that he can talk to the dead. Miles demands to see the dead Naomi body, presumably to talk to it. After talking to it, he agrees with Jack & Kate that they did not kill her, seems to suggest that he talked to her dead body. Thus stating it was a code phrase, would seem accurate.

    I am hoping that the writers would not be so bold as to deliberately feed false information, as that opens up another pandora’s box of possible explanations. Everytime a character would make a statement, we could then go back and say, “are they really saying that, or are they saying this?”

    So for example, if Locke were to say, “the island is telling me to [insert action]” it would seem to be a bad idea to then start suggesting that Locke is actually saying something totally different.

  192. Dany says:

    [quote comment="181101"]And – I don’t think the flashes were forwards, no – although I DO note Faraday’s despair and sadness when watching the news, and his very unlikely response about not knowing why he’s so effected. There’s obviously something there.

    But the fact that we saw the reporting on tv implied to me that it was during the period in which Oceanic was declared found. NOT that I know when exactly that would be :)

    My belief that they’re NOT flash forwards is somewhat based on the notion that if they WERE flashforwards THEN they would all have to survive :)

    And somehow, I don’t see that happening at all.[/quote]

    You are right Omar, I watched the episode again.. I had forgotten the scene where you see Naomi and Abbadon discuss the mission and of course she is now dead… they are definitely after Ben like they say they are.. so that explains why Charlotte is wearing a bullet proof (maybe all of them are).. and I heard two gun shots, just very close to each other that’s why it may be confusing… and.. I think it’s time to find out who’s the man on their boat… maybe tonight?
    I am voting for Michael…
    enjoy the show everyone!

  193. Dany says:

    [quote comment="181285"]

    I don’t know that I seen anyone comment on this, but couldn’t Farraday just be genuinely saddened by the discovery of the plane? Why does there have to be an ulterior reasoning for this? It could be to show that this guy is not some tough as nails persona.

    Or maybe he was holding out hope that the plane had crashed on an uncharted island, since we don’t know (I don’t think we do) exactly when he is hearing this news report. Couldn’t it have been days after the crash, or a week or whatever?

    I’m just not sure he has to be connected via that flashback. His connection to me, is the fact that he is a scientist.[/quote]

    The only thing that makes me suspicious about Dan’s reaction is because his wife asks him what’s wrong when she realizes he’s crying and he answers “i don’t know”.. if he was just moved over the crash shown on tv he could have just said so… uhm…

  194. RGS says:

    [quote comment="181314"][quote comment="181285"]

    I don’t know that I seen anyone comment on this, but couldn’t Farraday just be genuinely saddened by the discovery of the plane? Why does there have to be an ulterior reasoning for this? It could be to show that this guy is not some tough as nails persona.

    Or maybe he was holding out hope that the plane had crashed on an uncharted island, since we don’t know (I don’t think we do) exactly when he is hearing this news report. Couldn’t it have been days after the crash, or a week or whatever?

    I’m just not sure he has to be connected via that flashback. His connection to me, is the fact that he is a scientist.[/quote]

    The only thing that makes me suspicious about Dan’s reaction is because his wife asks him what’s wrong when she realizes he’s crying and he answers “i don’t know”.. if he was just moved over the crash shown on tv he could have just said so… uhm…[/quote]

    I’m definitely not saying that there couldn’t be more to the scene, but it’s still a leap for me at this point to conclude other than he is genuinely saddened.

    People often say “I don’t know,” in response to general questions like “what’s wrong?” Maybe he doesn’t “know” why he’s feeling so overcome with grief over this particular crash.

  195. Dany says:

    I heard someone saying in a tv comment that Kate is not one of the Oceanic 06… if she was rescued officially, why is she not in prison?

    I watched the first two episodes again last night and I got all these new questions… sorry if some of these points have already been discussed but I have joined the blog only from episode 2 so I am adding a couple of comments/questions from episode 1…
    Why is Hugo saying “I should have come with you” to Jack when he visits him? Does it mean that indeed there was a safe way to escape through these guys that are after Ben and they (the 06) somehow mess it up?
    Also when Jack visits Ben.. he says “I am thinking of growing a beard” which means probably that the flash forward seen on the last episode of S3 is happening after this one… I think his beard had grown by then. So Jack gets more upset with time passing.. and wants to go back to the aisland…Hugo also says something like “he wants us to go back” or
    he’ll find a way to gets us back” probably referring to Locke? Is he the new Ben? I wouldn’t be surprised since his connection with the island… could the man on the coffin have been BEN? maybe Jacob sold Ben out and replaced him with Locke? Who would go to Ben’s funeral anyway?
    Oh, the torture of all these questions!! :)

  196. Dany says:

    [quote comment="181316"]

    I’m definitely not saying that there couldn’t be more to the scene, but it’s still a leap for me at this point to conclude other than he is genuinely saddened.

    People often say “I don’t know,” in response to general questions like “what’s wrong?” Maybe he doesn’t “know” why he’s feeling so overcome with grief over this particular crash.[/quote]

    If there’ll be more to the scene we’ll find out I guess… thanks for your feedback RGS, as you were saying before we may look for clues where there are none, just cause we are desperate for it… :)

  197. adriennez says:

    So many great posts here! I had two other thoughts…when Naomi is shown talking to Abaddon she says something about the team she is going with and that Daniel is a headcase or basketcase(or something to that effect) and the flash of Daniel shows tears streaming down his face when seeing on the news that the wreckage of 815 was found on TV(and can’t explain why he is crying)…if he is crazy or unstable could he have at some point been in the mental hospital with Hurley and Libby and the guy with the numbers(which Hurley used to play the lottery).

    Also, about the grandmother who had Miles expel her grandson’s ghost from his bedroom, is the “ghost” supposed to be Walt? The way Miles talked to the ghost reminded me of the way that Ben talked to “Jacob” in the cabin when he took Locke there. Where did all of that money come from that was in the grandson’s room and did the “ghost” tell Miles where the money was and why? It seemed like there were some clear camera shots of the grandson’s photos on the walls in the house…was this to show us that this was Walt or not Walt?

    I would love to hear if anyone else has any thoughts on this or if it was in a post and I missed it, let me know please.

    One more thought here…where are some of the others…the flight attendant turned other with the children, Richard Alpert?

  198. A Kelly says:

    [quote comment="181284"]

    In regards to the flashes being by someone that is alive…why do we assume that it is Naomi’s flash? Could it not be Abbadon’s flash and just has Naomi in it?[/quote]

    very good point i had not thought of that… you could be quite right, only that Abbadon was not on the island nor was any of his story being told that episode…

    immediately following that flash, miles talks to a female voice on the walkie that sounds somewhat like Naomi. I think this is a nod from the writers, flashes almost always come back to the person that the flash was about, in fact it did for certain with the other four characters that were flashed… so i still feel like that it was definitely at least a Naomi flash, but perhaps her “sister’s” flash.

    It just seemed like that code was too convenient, and Miles seemed to be trying to convince Dan of the code at the same time he was telling the losties about it.

  199. adriennez says:

    Oh, and I totally agree with post 184…the purposely not showing Daniel’s wife…she could be someone we know.

  200. adriennez says:

    Oh and I agree with post 184…they seemed to purposefully not show Daniel’s wife…she could be someone we know.

  201. Toeknee says:

    There have been discussions about this issue on other boards – I don’t think that the flashbacks are owned by a particular character. The character isn’t necessarily remembering those events at that particular time. The flashbacks are just a device that the writers use to give us background information on a certain character, and that long ago event may directly relate to something happening in “real” time. So when people say “Naomi’s flashback”, or “Abbadon’s flashback” as if those people are remembering it at that moment…..that’s not exactly correct, IMHO. It’s a flashback to an event in Naomi’s life, but it’s not Naomi remembering that event.

  202. lostlaur says:

    To all the “Tell my sister I love her” talk what I don’t really understand is this:

    Naomi had just overtaken Kate. Kate ASKED her to lie to the people on the freighter to help them. She then lied over the phone about how she had gotten injured, but she didn’t really HAVE to. She was dying anyway, she had already ambushed Kate and wasn’t being held at gun/knifepoint. So why use a code? There would be no point in using a “help me” code RIGHT after you chose to lie of your own accord, at least it does not make sense to me.

    Or maybe the code means something totally different than “I need help”. The other freighties were already planning on coming down to the island and she was on her way to dead so why would it be a signal to come to the island? I don’t really think the mission was to “Get in & get out”. Why did so much time pass between Naomi landing and the freighties coming? They wouldn’t be chosen to be the backup- they seem to have little to no combat or intelligence training and I’m sure Naomi wouldn’t want to rely on them.

    So I think that the “Tell my sister I love her” comment was either meant literally and Naomi has a sister, or it was code for something else important that they would need to know before landing. That second possibility is vague too though- it obviously wasn’t telling them anything about Ben, Naomi didn’t really learn anything about him; they already knew there were survivors on the island (Jack & Kate’s phone calls confirmed this), and they were shocked to realize there were natives… So what could it be?

  203. RGS says:

    [quote comment="181330"]To all the “Tell my sister I love her” talk what I don’t really understand is this:

    Naomi had just overtaken Kate. Kate ASKED her to lie to the people on the freighter to help them. She then lied over the phone about how she had gotten injured, but she didn’t really HAVE to. She was dying anyway, she had already ambushed Kate and wasn’t being held at gun/knifepoint. So why use a code? There would be no point in using a “help me” code RIGHT after you chose to lie of your own accord, at least it does not make sense to me.

    Or maybe the code means something totally different than “I need help”. The other freighties were already planning on coming down to the island and she was on her way to dead so why would it be a signal to come to the island? I don’t really think the mission was to “Get in & get out”. Why did so much time pass between Naomi landing and the freighties coming? They wouldn’t be chosen to be the backup- they seem to have little to no combat or intelligence training and I’m sure Naomi wouldn’t want to rely on them.

    So I think that the “Tell my sister I love her” comment was either meant literally and Naomi has a sister, or it was code for something else important that they would need to know before landing. That second possibility is vague too though- it obviously wasn’t telling them anything about Ben, Naomi didn’t really learn anything about him; they already knew there were survivors on the island (Jack & Kate’s phone calls confirmed this), and they were shocked to realize there were natives… So what could it be?[/quote]

    It could be “bad” writing. Sometimes the writing is not as “tight” as we may want or like it to be. It’s similar to Locke referring to Walt as “tall Walt” when no one else had seen Walt to know that he is taller (admittedly not a great example of bad writing but hopefully you get my point). But it does remind me of another thing.

    I thought that Kate and Sawyer needed a boat to get off the “mini island” where they were all being held once captured, yet when Kate returned with Sayid, Locke & company, they walked (capturing Mikail along the way), can anyone tell me whether they just omitted the boat trips back, or just eliminated it all together, or am I, to quote Roger Clemens, “mis-remembering” that whole sequence of events?

  204. Dany says:

    [quote comment="181330"]To all the “Tell my sister I love her” talk what I don’t really understand is this:

    Naomi had just overtaken Kate. Kate ASKED her to lie to the people on the freighter to help them. She then lied over the phone about how she had gotten injured, but she didn’t really HAVE to. She was dying anyway, she had already ambushed Kate and wasn’t being held at gun/knifepoint. So why use a code? There would be no point in using a “help me” code RIGHT after you chose to lie of your own accord, at least it does not make sense to me.

    Or maybe the code means something totally different than “I need help”. The other freighties were already planning on coming down to the island and she was on her way to dead so why would it be a signal to come to the island? I don’t really think the mission was to “Get in & get out”. Why did so much time pass between Naomi landing and the freighties coming? They wouldn’t be chosen to be the backup- they seem to have little to no combat or intelligence training and I’m sure Naomi wouldn’t want to rely on them.

    So I think that the “Tell my sister I love her” comment was either meant literally and Naomi has a sister, or it was code for something else important that they would need to know before landing. That second possibility is vague too though- it obviously wasn’t telling them anything about Ben, Naomi didn’t really learn anything about him; they already knew there were survivors on the island (Jack & Kate’s phone calls confirmed this), and they were shocked to realize there were natives… So what could it be?[/quote]

    Maybe “tell my sister I love her” was a code to let the team know that she found survivors from Oceanic 815? which complicates things for them I guess…

  205. Dany says:

    [quote comment="181330"]To all the “Tell my sister I love her” talk what I don’t really understand is this:

    Naomi had just overtaken Kate. Kate ASKED her to lie to the people on the freighter to help them. She then lied over the phone about how she had gotten injured, but she didn’t really HAVE to. She was dying anyway, she had already ambushed Kate and wasn’t being held at gun/knifepoint. So why use a code? There would be no point in using a “help me” code RIGHT after you chose to lie of your own accord, at least it does not make sense to me.

    Or maybe the code means something totally different than “I need help”. The other freighties were already planning on coming down to the island and she was on her way to dead so why would it be a signal to come to the island? I don’t really think the mission was to “Get in & get out”. Why did so much time pass between Naomi landing and the freighties coming? They wouldn’t be chosen to be the backup- they seem to have little to no combat or intelligence training and I’m sure Naomi wouldn’t want to rely on them.

    So I think that the “Tell my sister I love her” comment was either meant literally and Naomi has a sister, or it was code for something else important that they would need to know before landing. That second possibility is vague too though- it obviously wasn’t telling them anything about Ben, Naomi didn’t really learn anything about him; they already knew there were survivors on the island (Jack & Kate’s phone calls confirmed this), and they were shocked to realize there were natives… So what could it be?[/quote]

    Also, remember when Sayid commented that Miles didn’t seem surprised to find survivors from 815… if they knew from Abbadon that the tv footage on the plane under water was a cover up, they were maybe expecting survivors from 815 and the ‘code’ from Naomi might just have confirmed that for Miles…?

  206. Laura says:

    [quote comment="181336"]
    Maybe “tell my sister I love her” was a code to let the team know that she found survivors from Oceanic 815? which complicates things for them I guess…[/quote]

    Jack had already made the phone call to the boat (in S3finale) announcing he was an oceanic flight 815 survivor. It doesn’t make sense that she would use you dying words to tell them something they already knew.

    it is an interesting theory though, that it could have been code for something else.

    again, it brings me back to the thought that maybe they five heli-tots had secrets from each other. There is no reason to assume that they would all have the same agenda, and for some reason I don’t really see Charlotte on a plan to take Ben and kill all of the survivors of oceanic 815 (which I believe is what Abbadon was “telling” naomi, when he insisted to her that there would be no survivors). I don’t think they all knew exactly what was going on, so it is definitely possible that naomi would have a code with miles that dan would have no idea about.

  207. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="181335"]
    I thought that Kate and Sawyer needed a boat to get off the “mini island” where they were all being held once captured, yet when Kate returned with Sayid, Locke & company, they walked (capturing Mikail along the way), can anyone tell me whether they just omitted the boat trips back, or just eliminated it all together, or am I, to quote Roger Clemens, “mis-remembering” that whole sequence of events?[/quote]
    It sounds like you’re thinking that when Kate, Sayid and Locke returned, they were returning from the Hydra Island? If so, that is not the case. The barracks where Jack was being kept, the Flame station where they met Mikhail, the sonic fence that supposedly killed Mikhail – all that is on the main island. Once Kate and Sawyer escaped from Hydra Island with Karl in that little boat, they never went back. And shortly after they escaped, the Others, with Jack in tow, also returned to the main island.

  208. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="181322"]
    Also, about the grandmother who had Miles expel her grandson’s ghost from his bedroom, is the “ghost” supposed to be Walt? The way Miles talked to the ghost reminded me of the way that Ben talked to “Jacob” in the cabin when he took Locke there. Where did all of that money come from that was in the grandson’s room and did the “ghost” tell Miles where the money was and why? It seemed like there were some clear camera shots of the grandson’s photos on the walls in the house…was this to show us that this was Walt or not Walt?

    I would love to hear if anyone else has any thoughts on this or if it was in a post and I missed it, let me know please.

    One more thought here…where are some of the others…the flight attendant turned other with the children, Richard Alpert?[/quote]
    There was some discussion of the identity of the dead grandson in the original “Confirmed Dead” post on this blog. Some people thought it was Eko, some thought Walt, and some (including me) thought it was someone we’ve never seen before. There was some sort of drug in the wall along with the money, so presumably the kid was involved in drugs, either selling or buying or both, and this may very well have been related to his murder. I think they showed Miles taking a quick look at the pictures on the wall so he’d have a face to go along with the ghost, so he’d feel a little guilty and then give the grandmother back some of her money. I think you’re on target with mentioning Jacob – Miles’s character was intentionally made a ghost whisperer so that he could have some interaction with Jacob.

    Regarding the other Others, in the season 3 finale, Ben told Richard to take them “to the temple”, wherever that is.

  209. adriennez says:

    Thanks Toeknee!

  210. Miraks says:

    I also don’t think what we saw of the four were flash forwards. I think it was just background info. Also as Toeknee said, I don’t think that flash backs are people remembering those events, but rather just a background story. If they were actuall memories, then the flash forwards would have to be “future” memories. In that case I think Jack would remember that when he got off the island he wanted to get back. Hope this makes sense.

  211. RGS says:

    [quote comment="181330"]To all the “Tell my sister I love her” talk what I don’t really understand is this:

    Naomi had just overtaken Kate. Kate ASKED her to lie to the people on the freighter to help them. She then lied over the phone about how she had gotten injured, but she didn’t really HAVE to. She was dying anyway, she had already ambushed Kate and wasn’t being held at gun/knifepoint. So why use a code? There would be no point in using a “help me” code RIGHT after you chose to lie of your own accord, at least it does not make sense to me.

    Or maybe the code means something totally different than “I need help”. The other freighties were already planning on coming down to the island and she was on her way to dead so why would it be a signal to come to the island? I don’t really think the mission was to “Get in & get out”. Why did so much time pass between Naomi landing and the freighties coming? They wouldn’t be chosen to be the backup- they seem to have little to no combat or intelligence training and I’m sure Naomi wouldn’t want to rely on them.

    So I think that the “Tell my sister I love her” comment was either meant literally and Naomi has a sister, or it was code for something else important that they would need to know before landing. That second possibility is vague too though- it obviously wasn’t telling them anything about Ben, Naomi didn’t really learn anything about him; they already knew there were survivors on the island (Jack & Kate’s phone calls confirmed this), and they were shocked to realize there were natives… So what could it be?[/quote]

    Actually I just watched part of ep. 2 again. When they first approach Miles playing unconcious on the beach, the question he asks Kate is, “where’s naomi…the person YOU killed.”

    How does he “know” someone has killed Naomi, unless Naomi gives the code?

  212. [quote comment="180163"]fred c. dobs…what do you mean by those movies having answers…they dont really have anything to do with the show…can you explain[/quote]

    If you’ve really watched both of these films (not just reading about their plot-line from someplace like IMDB), you’d see that they have everything to do with Lost.
    Basically they are the building blocks of the show.
    (“Jessica” truly has the most of the revelations of where Lost is ultimately headed) The rest is just ‘filler’ attached to draw you in deeper, mislead you down alternate rabbit-holes, and, of course, make the series last longer…good for us since negots. are over – Yay! :) Hope this gives you enough info, I can’t really go into to much…as they say magic is no fun if all the secrets are revealed!

  213. lostlaur says:

    [quote comment="181405"]
    Actually I just watched part of ep. 2 again. When they first approach Miles playing unconcious on the beach, the question he asks Kate is, “where’s naomi…the person YOU killed.”

    How does he “know” someone has killed Naomi, unless Naomi gives the code?[/quote]

    Well if someone were to tell me to pass along an “I love you” message I would assume they didn’t expect to be able to say it themselves because they were expecting to die. He knew she was really hurt, she sounded like crap on the phone and then ended with a message to pass on. Also then she slumped over so maybe he heard the thump or realized when the phone call broke that she couldn’t talk anymore because she was dead.

    And I think it’s strange that Miles is the only one who really seems to care about her being dead. Charlotte seems like she really just wants to explore the island and pick the survivors’ brains, the pilot (I forget his name) also seems like he wants to know what happened and Dan just seems confused. Miles has a different sort of intensity than the rest of them- he doesn’t care about the people on the island (his sarcastic comment to Jack), he seems like the only one focused on the task at hand and like he is the only of the 4 that REALLY wants to get in & get out.

  214. LOST24 says:

    If the preview for tonight’s episode is accurate, another of the Oceanic 6 will be revealed. If that’s true, then I hope the last two identities remain secret for awhile. It takes away some of the suspense if we know exactly who survived and who didn’t survive. It’s actually more intriguing to mark who doesn’t survive.

  215. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="181418"][quote comment="181405"]
    Actually I just watched part of ep. 2 again. When they first approach Miles playing unconcious on the beach, the question he asks Kate is, “where’s naomi…the person YOU killed.”

    How does he “know” someone has killed Naomi, unless Naomi gives the code?[/quote]

    Well if someone were to tell me to pass along an “I love you” message I would assume they didn’t expect to be able to say it themselves because they were expecting to die. He knew she was really hurt, she sounded like crap on the phone and then ended with a message to pass on. Also then she slumped over so maybe he heard the thump or realized when the phone call broke that she couldn’t talk anymore because she was dead.

    And I think it’s strange that Miles is the only one who really seems to care about her being dead. Charlotte seems like she really just wants to explore the island and pick the survivors’ brains, the pilot (I forget his name) also seems like he wants to know what happened and Dan just seems confused. Miles has a different sort of intensity than the rest of them- he doesn’t care about the people on the island (his sarcastic comment to Jack), he seems like the only one focused on the task at hand and like he is the only of the 4 that REALLY wants to get in & get out.[/quote]

    Daniel cared about Naomi dying as he wanted to take the body back. Frank was a little more practical but promised to bring her on his second run.

    Miles would have a huge reason to get in and get out if he can hear the voices of everyone who died there. He also showed himself to be pretty faded in his flashback, trying to get a extra $100 out of the grandmother. A truly honest person would have given her the money he found in the wall.

  216. lostfreak14 says:

    some people are thinking that the flashes in the past episode are flash-fowards. I dont think this could be because, if so, why would the one be looking for money. How could Charolette find the dharma sign and pay no attention to it.
    finally, Naomi was asked to go to the island in the last flash. that in itself should tell us that it had to be a flash-back.

  217. lostfreak14 says:

    sorry i forgot this one.
    NAOMI IS DEAD!!!!!!!!!

  218. Circus Mom says:

    Danielle: If she came to the Island on a seintific boat, where did she get all her weapons. She supposibly had no contact with the others until our friends arrived. Also, she “purged” her team, boatmates because they got “sick”. She always showes up at “just the right time” too.

    I just erased most of my post because I got LOST in my thoughts. Can’t wait until tonights show.

  219. lostlaur says:

    [quote comment="181496"]Danielle: If she came to the Island on a seintific boat, where did she get all her weapons. She supposibly had no contact with the others until our friends arrived. Also, she “purged” her team, boatmates because they got “sick”. She always showes up at “just the right time” too.

    I just erased most of my post because I got LOST in my thoughts. Can’t wait until tonights show.[/quote]

    I totally agree- Russeau (however its spelled) creeps me out. I’ve always thought she was a crazy lady since the first time we saw her & she kept PETTING Sayid. I get that she’s excited that she’s found her daughter but why is she so quick to get involved in the Losties war? I would think after so many years of raving about her lost Alex she would want to whisk her daughter away from all the madness about to happen so she wouldn’t lose her again.

    I’m waiting for everyone to start posting about tonight’s episode because I can’t even begin to sort out my thoughts about it yet!!

  220. Kenn HPL says:

    Okay, so who’s gonna be dead after tonite’s episode. I’ve heard (all non-compelling) evidence that it’ll be Michael, Jin, Desmond, Juliet, Locke, even Charlotte (like someone would care). someone dies on a lot of the shows — especially if you read books upside down.

    Good luck guessing — those writers need to get a kick or three in the groin!

    Kenn

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