Eggtown

Kate from Lost

I am not sure that “The Economist” can be topped (I am still haunted by Sayid saying “The day I trust this man is the day I sell my soul”), but as the show goes on tonight’s episode centers around Kate – so hopefully we will get more information about what her Oceanic 6 life looks like (perhaps why she is not in jail and who the “he” is she was referring to in the Season 3 Finale).

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ABC’s Official Show Description

Kate’s need to get information out of the hostage may jeopardize her standing with Locke – as well as with Sawyer.

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Here a few Eggtown sneak peeks also: Sneak Peek 1 | Sneak Peek 2

See you all in the comments tonight. Have Fun.

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718 Responses to Eggtown

  1. PBX says:

    Looks like a great episode, cant wait to watch it.

  2. Courtney says:

    I dunno, after those sneak peeks, I think this episode will top The Economist! I can’t wait!

  3. NikkiV says:

    Eggtown?

  4. lost chicka says:

    i can’t wait for this episode!!!!!!!

    about the commercial:
    hmmmm…looks like kate is livin it up with locke’s group (specially sawyer). and hopefully somebody will get some answers from miles! =]

  5. Circus Mom says:

    OK, with close to 600 posts on the last episode and many complaints about repitation I have a suggestion. In order to encourage newbies (I am one) yet train all of us to follow the rules I suggest this.

    If someone posts a theory/guess/supposition that has been presented and either agreed on or, more likely, debunked, instead of rehashing it can we send a reply that says:

    “Please read all the previous posts before posting yourself. That comment was already addressed.” You can add the comment number where it was addressed if you want.

    When we re-answer the question we are training ourselves to not do the reading first. I don’t think I can stand to hear, “I think Michael’s in the coffin.” and then “It can’t be him because the funeral director asked ‘friend or family.’” one more time.

    I think everyone would agree that if there is new information or logic to support the “Michael’s in the coffin” theory than it’s not a repeat.

    I was one of the first to say it couldn’t be him because of the friend or family question. I now retract my argument after further thought. A funeral director asking “Friend or family?” is like a waitress asking “Cream and sugar?” when you order coffee. Also, Michael could have been married to Jacks sister (not Claire, a hypothitical sister) making them family. I’m not sugestiong he is in the coffin. Just removing that argument against it.

  6. lost chicka says:

    great episode. a few things:

    omg! so kate chose to stay. sawyer and kate know she’s pregnant. kate is famous off the island cuz she’s going to court and is one of the 06. her mother is still alive and is the DA’s star witness, and kate’s SON (so i guess that’s who she had to get back to.) is who her lawyer thinks should be there witness. and Jack witnesses for her! kate appears to be going a little nutty off island already. how did she get out of jail if she doesn’t plead guilty??????

    why isn’t anybody concerned about why they didn’t get to go on the copter or who the “rescuers” are…..the copter hasn’t landed yet? is that because of the time thing???? we obviously know sayid gets off. so it doesn’t crash and kill em all.

    miles is annoying! and the guy who plays him is a bad actor. what did he tell ben? my tv’s sound went out during that scene! dang! and if kate knows they know everything WHY DOES SHE GO BACK!?!?!??!?!?!

    ben was right, it is like when they were in the hatch. locke asks questions that ben never answers. locke is bringing him breakfast, ben is manipulating him, and locke is breaking dishes again!

    so the story is only 8 survived the crash and 2 people died on the island!!!! they crashed in the water and kate saved them?!?!?!OMG!!!!!! this is so interesting!

    truly meaningless things i just wanted to say:

    sawyer’s so cute when he reads!!!!

    backgammon again, eh?

    ah, sawyer back to the same ol’ cons, and locke’s still believing every damn word!

  7. NikkiV says:

    YIKES!!

  8. Jet Black says:

    What did she call the baby???

  9. lost chicka says:

    ok, sorry about my last comment, i posted it like 2 minutes before it ended…..so is the kid kate and sawyer’s and named after aaron or is it aaron littleton???????????

  10. NikkiV says:

    You know what she called him! Aaron…
    Ahhh..I knew it..I was just waiting for the end. I love it!

  11. morgan says:

    Aaron?

  12. Andy says:

    Aaron. Claires Baby. That was a tad predictable from when Claire asks her to pick him up, I just got that feeling that she was going to end up with him.

  13. lostlaur* says:

    WHAT was that magic trick mess Dan & Charlotte were doing?? It seems like they had been practicing it for a while so I don’t think this team was just slapdash thrown together.

    And WHY would Jack be weirded out by seeing the baby if it’s Aaron??

    I need to take a moment to decompress and think some more. I also wish LOST was on 24/7… Is this how drug addicts feel waiting for the next score?

  14. lost chicka says:

    did kate take aaron because claire couldn’t get off, or does claire die? how much longer do they stay on the island or how long does kate’s trial last so that aaron is about 3-4 years old? or is it the time thing? is the time thing why the plane hasn’t landed yet after a day? so many questions!?!?!

  15. PJSander says:

    I’m just thrilled to have an episode that didn’t make me ask 42 more questions than the week before!

    Well not yet, anyway. I am sure that I’ll have more questions as I read everyone’s theories. I guess I was wrong on every count in my theories based on last week’s episode. Gotta love the brilliance of the writers and creators!

    : ) P

  16. Suze says:

    OMG – great ending! He called her mom too – thought it was sawyers baby when I first saw the blonde hair but then she said “Aaron” and I was like “shut the f up!”

    I’m thinking that maybe Claire dies on the island next episode? Because obviously Jack is in on baby thing too.

  17. katesFriend says:

    i got the impression dan was working on his memory, not his psychic abilities

    this could be why he had a caretaker? he has some kind of forming new memory problems a la Memento??

  18. DocH says:

    [quote comment="185071"]
    Eggtown?
    [/quote]
    I think that refers to the Barracks, or what the writers now call Otherton.
    Remember the beginning when Locke brought Ben breakfast and said “these are the last two eggs”. Then Ben wouldn’t cooperate, Locke took his breakfast, then smashed it against the wall in the hall.
    I was thinking “Eggtown” was going to about all of the fertility issues.
    (note: Locke covered in blood. “I just killed a chicken.” – duh, of course you don’t have any eggs.)

  19. Tasha says:

    MAybe Claire AND the baby die or the baby dies, and Kate names the baby after Aaron to honor him?

    That is probably too deep. It has to be Aaron or they would not have played the music they did. Gosh I was so sure it was going to be Sawyer’s baby, especially after the way Jack was acting. I guess seeing the baby would remind him of something. That is Jack’s nephew dangit! He should want to see his nephew!!!!

  20. Taylor says:

    I hate to complain about my favorite show, but that was lamest twist in a while. I guessed that it was Aaron the second she said she had a son. Not a bad storyline idea necessarily, but still, pretty obvious after she was bonding with Aaron on the island. I wonder if Jack knows that he’s Aaron’s uncle…

    Otherwise, Locke with the grenade was really frickin’ cool.

  21. Toeknee says:

    Aaarh! This is what I get for listening to that podcast – I’m a bit disappointed in the episode. In the podcast D&C said this episode had a killer ending. I was expecting something to top last week’s, which is nearly impossible. But like others have said, “Aaron” was predictable. I think going back to the season 3 finale some people speculated that the “him” Kate referred to was possibly Aaron.

    I do liked how the story moved along a little. The Ben-Miles exchange was intriguing – I’m guessing Miles is working for
    Widmore (Penny’s Dad).

    The circumstances by which Kate avoided jail time seemed fishy – I find it hard to believe Kate’s mother was the only witness for the prosecution. What about all the other people she encountered as a fugitive?

    And early on didn’t she say something about not wanting her son to testify during the trial? How could a 3 year old testify? Or was the lawyer thinking that by showing the jury that the kid loves his mommy they’ll find her not guilty?

    Sorry, don’t mean to complain – those were just a couple things that bothered me. I do consider this the weakest of these first 4 episodes, but still very good.

    Can’t wait to see the explanation of what’s taking the copter so long to reach the freighter. And why Minkowski won’t answer the phone.

    “You just Scooby-Doo’d me” GREAT line!!

  22. Lost Addict says:

    Kate jumped quick at the plea agreement that would give her 10 yrs probation and keep her in the state, even after her lawyer was going to negotiate….could be a reason for her to say she “can’t” go back to the island/can’t leave the state.

  23. DocH says:

    Anyone catch the Xanadu reference: aka Hurley’s video pick.

    In mythos… Xanadu is a mysterious city concealed deep within the Himalayan Mountains. It lies in a jeweled valley of unparalleled splendor. Shrouded in myth and believed only to be fiction, the truth about this beautiful place has been veiled from the eyes of the known world for thousands of years.

    Only recently has the truth of the fabled city been discovered. Monastery journals, over two hundred years old tell the story of a grand expedition into the Himalayas. The participants of this journey stumble across the sacred valley of Xanadu and record the events in great detail. It is from the story contained within these journals that began the search for further evidence of Xanadu’s existence.

    During the search, Xanadu’s pervasiveness throughout history becomes frighteningly apparent.

    Within the walls of Xanadu lies a garden of exquisite beauty, that holds beautiful works of art, on display for all its citizens to enjoy.

    Excavation suggests the origin of Xanadu is linked to the mysterious destruction of an ancient Sumerian city.

    A series of ancient scrolls depicts the legend of a Demon Goddess.

    A Codex (book) is retrieved and transcribes writings found on an Obelisk.

    An ancient manuscript sheds …. it goes on.

  24. mike says:

    if aaron is claires- why wouldnt jack want to see the baby??? she is his half sister so the baby is his nephew!

  25. RGS says:

    [quote comment="185155"]Aaarh! This is what I get for listening to that podcast – I’m a bit disappointed in the episode. In the podcast D&C said this episode had a killer ending. I was expecting something to top last week’s, which is nearly impossible. But like others have said, “Aaron” was predictable. I think going back to the season 3 finale some people speculated that the “him” Kate referred to was possibly Aaron.

    I do liked how the story moved along a little. The Ben-Miles exchange was intriguing – I’m guessing Miles is working for
    Widmore (Penny’s Dad).

    The circumstances by which Kate avoided jail time seemed fishy – I find it hard to believe Kate’s mother was the only witness for the prosecution. What about all the other people she encountered as a fugitive?

    And early on didn’t she say something about not wanting her son to testify during the trial? How could a 3 year old testify? Or was the lawyer thinking that by showing the jury that the kid loves his mommy they’ll find her not guilty?

    Sorry, don’t mean to complain – those were just a couple things that bothered me. I do consider this the weakest of these first 4 episodes, but still very good.

    Can’t wait to see the explanation of what’s taking the copter so long to reach the freighter. And why Minkowski won’t answer the phone.

    “You just Scooby-Doo’d me” GREAT line!![/quote]

    Maybe the lawyer wanted to bring in her adopted son Aaron. That is why it would be a good character witness. Jack can’t bear to see Aaron because he knows the truth of what happened, and how they came about getting to civilization. Aaron may be reminding him of that.

  26. mike says:

    its sawyers baby-
    has to be! why else wouldnt jack want to see the kid!

  27. lost chicka says:

    [quote comment="185153"]MAybe Claire AND the baby die or the baby dies, and Kate names the baby after Aaron to honor him?

    That is probably too deep. It has to be Aaron or they would not have played the music they did. Gosh I was so sure it was going to be Sawyer’s baby, especially after the way Jack was acting. I guess seeing the baby would remind him of something. That is Jack’s nephew dangit! He should want to see his nephew!!!![/quote]

    me too!!!! and the way sawyer and kate were acting on the island!!! omg, that is a shocker. i was thinking it could be named after aaron too.

    i don’t know how anybody can say this episode was bad and predictable. i think this was way better then the beginning of the end, didn’t top last weeks, but was good. and i guess maybe if i didn’t think kate was pregnant i would’ve thought she’d end up with aaron, but how could you really see that one coming?!?

  28. Pippy says:

    so for Kate,no jail time is a little bit of a break compared to the 20 years + they could have given her. Of course, she can’t leave the state for 10 years. Of course you noticed that she called her “son” Aaron at the end. Isn’t that Claire’s son?
    And at her trial Jack said there were 8 survivors of the crash and that Kate had rescued them all. That is definitely not true. And Miles wants 3.2 mil from Ben and seems to know that he has that kind of money. So who is Ben. Tonight basically gave us more mystery than answers. I guess the Oceanic six are: Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Aaron and the 6th one to be revealed. Interesting. I may wait until next weeks episode to come up with more theories.

    And, someone please tell me why Aaron is Jack’s nephew – did I miss something in an earlier season?

    I liked the Xanadu connection – hadn’t really paid attention to that one until DocH pointed it out.

    There is definitely still a whole lot between the lines. I think I’ll wait until next week to come up with new theories.

    So, American Idol anyone………….wait, differnt site :)

  29. DocH says:

    I agree with the gripe by ToeKnee and Taylor. But I will say that I am glad that they closed down that soap opera “PLOT LINE” so quickly… now we can get on to the good stuff.

    Number question… Kates’ mom said she has been told she has 6 months to live for the last four years. (looks like smokers lung disease). She’d have to have been diagnosed before Kate fled from Iowa. Aaron looks to be about two or just a little more. Timeline kinda fuzzy. She may have spent lots of time fleeing in the US (robbing NM banks?).

  30. Thirsty says:

    It worries me to see Aaron being raised by Kate considering the physic’s warnings in season 1 that “great danger surrounds this child” if it is raised by anyone but Claire.

    Kate’s mom said that everything changed when she thought Kate was dead and that her doctors had been giving her 6 months to live for the last 4 years… so does that mean it has been 4 years since the plane crash?

    I have a theory about who’s in the coffin, but I guess I should post it under that episode.

  31. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="185138"]
    miles is annoying! and the guy who plays him is a bad actor. what did he tell ben? my tv’s sound went out during that scene! dang!
    [/quote]
    LOL I like Miles, and I think the actor who plays him does a great job. I’m not sure how much of that scene you were able to hear, lostchicka, but basically Miles asked Ben if he knew who he worked for and why he was there, and Ben said yes. Then Miles said if Ben gives him $3.2 million, Miles would tell his boss that Ben is dead. Ben agrees, Miles says he has a week to come up with the money.

    An interesting thing about that scene – Kate destroyed the lock, and they didn’t show anyone going back to fix it or replace it. So if Ben can somehow get loose from his shackles, he could escape.

  32. Pippy says:

    [quote comment="185158"]if aaron is claires- why wouldnt jack want to see the baby??? she is his half sister so the baby is his nephew![/quote]

    I just asked about the Jack and Claire connection, but then I read your comment about them being half siblings. How did I miss that – I have been watching since the first season? When was that revealed and why do they never talk to each other as if they are related – I mean it is never mentioned. In the first season Shannon and I forget his name were half siblings, but Jack and Claire? Please help – I am really confused, and embarrassed if I missed something so important.

  33. Pippy says:

    [quote comment="185164"]It worries me to see Aaron being raised by Kate considering the physic’s warnings in season 1 that “great danger surrounds this child” if it is raised by anyone but Claire.

    Kate’s mom said that everything changed when she thought Kate was dead and that her doctors had been giving her 6 months to live for the last 4 years… so does that mean it has been 4 years since the plane crash?

    I have a theory about who’s in the coffin, but I guess I should post it under that episode.[/quote]
    Possibly Claire in the coffin? Or Kate’s mom? I am curious now!

  34. Toeknee says:

    I doubt very much that this Aaron is Kate & Sawyer’s “love-child”. If he was, why would Kate give him a name that would remind her of the island? I’d think she’d go for something completely different.

  35. Missy says:

    [quote comment="185166"][quote comment="185158"]if aaron is claires- why wouldnt jack want to see the baby??? she is his half sister so the baby is his nephew![/quote]

    I just asked about the Jack and Claire connection, but then I read your comment about them being half siblings.

    How did I miss that – I have been watching since the first season?

    When was that revealed and why do they never talk to each other as if they are related – I mean it is never mentioned.

    In the first season Shannon and I forget his name were half siblings, but Jack and Claire?

    Please help – I am really confused, and embarrassed if I missed something so important.[/quote]

    Jack and Claire have the same father. We know it because we’ve seen both of their flashbacks, however, they have not realized yet that they are related.

  36. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="185166"][
    I just asked about the Jack and Claire connection, but then I read your comment about them being half siblings.

    How did I miss that – I have been watching since the first season?

    When was that revealed and why do they never talk to each other as if they are related – I mean it is never mentioned.

    In the first season Shannon and I forget his name were half siblings, but Jack and Claire?

    Please help – I am really confused, and embarrassed if I missed something so important.[/quote]
    Jack and Claire on the island don’t know about their relationship. It was revealed in Claire’s flashback near the end of season 3.

  37. RGS says:

    [quote comment="185166"][quote comment="185158"]if aaron is claires- why wouldnt jack want to see the baby??? she is his half sister so the baby is his nephew![/quote]

    I just asked about the Jack and Claire connection, but then I read your comment about them being half siblings.

    How did I miss that – I have been watching since the first season?

    When was that revealed and why do they never talk to each other as if they are related – I mean it is never mentioned.

    In the first season Shannon and I forget his name were half siblings, but Jack and Claire?

    Please help – I am really confused, and embarrassed if I missed something so important.[/quote]

    Jack and Claire don’t know they are 1/2 brother and sister. The flashbacks showed they had the same dad or something like that.

  38. Lost Cause says:

    And WHY would Jack be weirded out by seeing the baby if it’s Aaron??

    I don’t mean this in any sort of insensitive or mean way, but am I the only one who thinks maybe the child playing Aaron has Down’s Syndrome? Look closely. If so, not only would Jack not want to see him because he feels guilty about Claire, but he also would feel guilty about whatever happened to Aaron to “change” him.

  39. Missy says:

    [quote comment="185148"]did kate take aaron because claire couldn’t get off, or does claire die? how much longer do they stay on the island or how long does kate’s trial last so that aaron is about 3-4 years old? or is it the time thing? is the time thing why the plane hasn’t landed yet after a day? so many questions!?!?![/quote]

    Now why would Kate have a baby named Aaron? a. Something happens to Claire and she’s asked to take care of Aaron, b. Kate swipes Aaron and leaves Claire, and c. what I’m thinking – Kate is pregnant with Sawyers baby and names it Aaron because something happened to Aaron on the island. They were afraid that he was sick back in season two.

    Wouldn’t they be able to tell if it really wasn’t her biological baby? Hmmm.

  40. Thirsty says:

    Ok, who i think might be in the coffin (and this is a stretch) is…. Juliet’s sister.

  41. dukewm says:

    OK not as great as last weeks “shocking” ending.

    Everyone seems to think they heard Kate call him Aaron, which would be shocking and lead us to believe Claire had been left behind or somehow “not made it”.

    I listened to it twice (and will now have to revisit) and thought she called him ERIC. He looked to be between 2 – 3 years old to me.
    Figured it was Sawyers’ and that’s why Jack didn’t seem interested. HOWEVER, Kate DID tell Sawyer right before she left ‘New Otherton’ that she was SURE she was NOT preggers.

    Where is the Helo ?
    Is Frank having a little trouble escaping the electro-magnetic “force” ?

  42. Missy says:

    The first questions that come to mind after this episode are -

    What’s the deal with the memory card game?

    What happened to the helicopter? Where are Sayid and Desmond?

    Why is Locke suddenly making all the “rules” that people have to follow?

    Is Kate pregnant or not? Does she really take a sip of wine Sawyer gives her?

    Why does Kate’s mom change her mind on testifying against her?

    Why doesn’t Jack want to see Kate’s baby?

    Does Locke have any clue of what’s going on?

  43. lostmari says:

    [quote comment="185175"]OK not as great as last weeks “shocking” ending.

    Everyone seems to think they heard Kate call him Aaron, which would be shocking and lead us to believe Claire had been left behind or somehow “not made it”.

    I listened to it twice (and will now have to revisit) and thought she called him ERIC. He looked to be between 2 – 3 years old to me.
    Figured it was Sawyers’ and that’s why Jack didn’t seem interested. HOWEVER, Kate DID tell Sawyer right before she left ‘New Otherton’ that she was SURE she was NOT preggers.

    Where is the Helo ?
    Is Frank having a little trouble escaping the electro-magnetic “force” ?[/quote]
    My closed caption said “Aaron”

  44. Shooter says:

    It could be that Claire died and Kate is now looking after Aaron. In Desmond’s vision, he saw Claire and Aaorn get on the copter but not safe at home. The helicopter has trouble travelling to and from (as shown in next ep. preview)the island. Maybe something happens when they are flying away from the island. Jack doesn’t want to see the baby because it reminds him that he couldn’t save Claire.

    Just a thought.

  45. DocH says:

    I like the Miles too. (best newbie… frank 2nd, daniel 3rd, charlotte last). Was the grenade real? What man opens his mouth to hold a grenade?

    Daniel. the “Psychic Physicist”. say that 5 times fast.

    [quote comment="185168"]
    I doubt very much that this Aaron is Kate & Sawyer’s “love-child”. If he was, why would Kate give him a name that would remind her of the island? I’d think she’d go for something completely different.
    [/quote]
    I concur. The way I heard the Saw/Kat morning snuggle was that she didn’t give him any ‘sugar’ the night before, and the reason why he wasn’t getting any ‘sugar’ that morning, was because she JUST became aware that she wasn’t pregnant any more. How does a girl know? A monthly visitor usually gives her a hint. (ergo. no sugar).

  46. Tasha says:

    [quote comment="185172"]And WHY would Jack be weirded out by seeing the baby if it’s Aaron??

    I don’t mean this in any sort of insensitive or mean way, but am I the only one who thinks maybe the child playing Aaron has Down’s Syndrome? Look closely. If so, not only would Jack not want to see him because he feels guilty about Claire, but he also would feel guilty about whatever happened to Aaron to “change” him.[/quote]

    I don’t know about Down Syndrome but I kept thinking something looked odd about him. At first I thought it was because something was wrong with the other side of his face, which they never showed. But I think maybe it was just because he was waking up and they wanted everyone to look at him closely (it seemed like slow motion to me) and see he looked like Sawyer….just to throw in a twist when she said “Hi Aaron.”

    I would hope nothing is wrong with him. Seriously, I don’t even have a theory for this. I feel like it could go in so many different directions right now….It’s Sawyer’s and she named it wafter Aaron, or it’s actually Aaron which I think is the most likely, OR the baby transported himself from the island to that bed to visit Kate like the polar bears and the rabbits! J/K with the last part!

  47. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="185083"]OK, with close to 600 posts on the last episode and many complaints about repitation I have a suggestion. In order to encourage newbies (I am one) yet train all of us to follow the rules I suggest this.

    If someone posts a theory/guess/supposition that has been presented and either agreed on or, more likely, debunked, instead of rehashing it can we send a reply that says:

    “Please read all the previous posts before posting yourself. That comment was already addressed.” You can add the comment number where it was addressed if you want.

    When we re-answer the question we are training ourselves to not do the reading first. I don’t think I can stand to hear, “I think Michael’s in the coffin.” and then “It can’t be him because the funeral director asked ‘friend or family.’” one more time.

    I think everyone would agree that if there is new information or logic to support the “Michael’s in the coffin” theory than it’s not a repeat.
    [/quote]
    I thought now might be a good time to say that I agree with CircusMom’s suggestion

  48. skweez says:

    [quote comment="185172"]And WHY would Jack be weirded out by seeing the baby if it’s Aaron??

    I don’t mean this in any sort of insensitive or mean way, but am I the only one who thinks maybe the child playing Aaron has Down’s Syndrome? Look closely. If so, not only would Jack not want to see him because he feels guilty about Claire, but he also would feel guilty about whatever happened to Aaron to “change” him.[/quote]

    The child did seem a lil “off”, but I’m thinking that was just bad acting by the kid. Also, Jack doesn’t want to see Aaron because it reminds him of whatever happenned to Claire. Maybe she sacrificed herself for the good of the O6….

  49. lostmari says:

    [quote comment="185151"]i got the impression dan was working on his memory, not his psychic abilities

    this could be why he had a caretaker? he has some kind of forming new memory problems a la Memento??[/quote]

    The memory card exercise theory is very interesting. It might explain why he starts to cry (but doesn’t know why) when he sees the news footage of the plane at the bottom of the ocean in the first episode this season. Others have theorized that this scene is a flash forward as well as the pilot’s scene where he calls the oceanic hotline.

  50. Stan says:

    Par Avion in Season 3 is when it is revealed that Claire and Jack are half-siblings.

  51. Pippy says:

    [quote comment="185169"][quote comment="185166"][quote comment="185158"]if aaron is claires- why wouldnt jack want to see the baby??? she is his half sister so the baby is his nephew![/quote]

    I just asked about the Jack and Claire connection, but then I read your comment about them being half siblings.

    How did I miss that – I have been watching since the first season?

    When was that revealed and why do they never talk to each other as if they are related – I mean it is never mentioned.

    In the first season Shannon and I forget his name were half siblings, but Jack and Claire?

    Please help – I am really confused, and embarrassed if I missed something so important.[/quote]

    Jack and Claire have the same father. We know it because we’ve seen both of their flashbacks, however, they have not realized yet that they are related.[/quote]

    Thank you – I do vaguely remember that from one of the earlier seasons – I guess the fact that they don’t know yet explains why it is never mentioned. So, the assumption is that by the time they are off the island he knows that she is or was his sister, and that Aaron is his nephew. Maybe that explains why he doesn’t want to see Aaron – painful memories connected to his father etc and if he has lost a sister he only just found maybe that is also painful?

  52. skweez says:

    Re: Circus Mom’s suggestion

    I agree…. I’m one of those people who has to read each post, so please, if we could follow this suggestion, it would help everyone out.

  53. skweez says:

    The memory card exercise theory is very interesting. It might explain why he starts to cry (but doesn’t know why) when he sees the news footage of the plane at the bottom of the ocean in the first episode this season. Others have theorized that this scene is a flash forward as well as the pilot’s scene where he calls the oceanic hotline.[/quote]

    I concur. Seems like ole Danny boy has a memory “issue”. I don’t think that it was a flash forward, however.

  54. DocH says:

    I originally thought I heard ERIC too. replayed it, killed the woofers, tweaked the tweeters – heard Aaron.

    some humor: Aaron – did you see his haircut? slurred speech. I think he might be Charlie reincarnated. (See if there is anything written on his knuckles.)

  55. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="185190"]I originally thought I heard ERIC too. replayed it, killed the woofers, tweaked the tweeters – heard Aaron.

    some humor: Aaron – did you see his haircut? slurred speech. I think he might be Charlie reincarnated. (See if there is anything written on his knuckles.)[/quote]
    Well, you know that Dominic Monaghan and Evangeline Lily were “dating” or whatever the proper term is these days, and may still be for all I know.

  56. Tasha says:

    [quote comment="185190"]I originally thought I heard ERIC too. replayed it, killed the woofers, tweaked the tweeters – heard Aaron.

    some humor: Aaron – did you see his haircut? slurred speech. I think he might be Charlie reincarnated. (See if there is anything written on his knuckles.)[/quote]

    When she was walking up to him on the bed….my husband said…”look! It’s Charlie!”

  57. Jeff Lost says:

    Danny has no short term memory,thats why he coudn’t remember the code Naomi sent about her sister. He was/has been working with Charlott on his short term memory problem?

  58. nicunurse says:

    [quote comment="185168"]I doubt very much that this Aaron is Kate & Sawyer’s “love-child”. If he was, why would Kate give him a name that would remind her of the island? I’d think she’d go for something completely different.[/quote]
    Kate was not pregnant with Sawyer’s baby…she drank the wine…I saw her swallow the wine and I am sure the writers would not have a pregnant woman knowingly drink wine (that’s why Sawyer brought out the wine…for the audience to see)…that is also why she and Sawyer don’t fool around in the episode…we can know for sure that it is Claire’s son..
    Kate is pretending it is hers or she would not have kept it up with her mother (“I only want to see my grandson”). I am sure that woman would not care about seeing and adopted grandson…
    I think Jack had to make some decision which took Aaron away from Claire…I have a feeling Claire is dead..which may have to do with the psychic’s prediction that Claire had to stay with the baby or great harm would come (but I thought it was to the baby, not to Claire)..
    I think the grenade is fake.
    GREAT episode….all those that say they “saw it coming” sure didn’t mention it before…

  59. skweez says:

    Now I am convinced that when Danny boy was watching the discovery of Oceanic 815, it was a flash forward and due to his memory issue he can’t remember why he’s affected. Also, Frank’s call to the Oceanic Airlines hotline may have been a flash forward as well. This is the same for Charlotte in Tunisia. Now, we come to Miles. I haven’t come up with a theory just yet, but i’ll be back….

  60. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="185188"]
    I concur. Seems like ole Danny boy has a memory “issue”. I don’t think that it was a flash forward, however.[/quote]
    Now that you mention it, I think you’re right. In many of his scenes, when someone asks him a question, he’s been slow to answer, if he’s able to provide an answer at all. Think back to when Jack and Kate found that metal box with the gas masks. Maybe that wasn’t even from the helicopter – maybe that’s something the Others left behind, or was part of a Dharma drop.

  61. Lisa says:

    It’s Eric, not Aaron….we tvo’d the episode and are sure the baby’s name is Eric, anyone have any idea what that means???

  62. skweez says:

    Now it sorta makes sense that Lapidus would tell Danny boy to hang up if Minkowski answered. I don’t think Minlowski cares for Danny, he’s a bit too “business” like.

  63. LostNaked says:

    Anyone have any theories as to how Ben has so much money and how Miles thinks he can get away with the extortion. That’s ridiculous!

    And, what’s the dillyo with Daniel and the card trick. He’s quirky, but he seems important. It appeared as though he was trying to improve his memory ability for some reason.

    I love this show, but they drag things out a little too much!

  64. skweez says:

    Any theories on the $3.2MM that miles asked for?

  65. NikkiV says:

    [quote comment="185147"]I need to take a moment to decompress and think some more. I also wish LOST was on 24/7… Is this how drug addicts feel waiting for the next score?[/quote]

    I believe that would be called detox. I absolutely feel the same way.

  66. Ben says:

    Ben is Mr. Widmore. Thats his UK ailias.

  67. i-heard-eric says:

    yep dukewm, i heard “eric” too…ohh well…we could be wrong especially with that music and close caption…

    people, it’s probly locke that’s in that coffin…cuz he had no relatives or no one that showed up at the funeral except jack…

  68. lost chicka says:

    thirsty (30): OMG I totally forgot about that!!! what kind of great danger will happen to kate then????

    toeknee (31): thanx. kate is so stupid sometimes…ben’s gonna run.

    lost cause (38): i didn’t think the kid looked like he had downe’s but i’ll look again. i think jack wouldn’t want to see aaron because it reminds him of the lie they’re having to live (like not being able to say what happened to claire and others.).

  69. Addicted18 says:

    Ben is probably the 6th survivor of the Oceanic 6 … or somehow he gets off the island unnoticed. In Sayid’s flash forward last week, we find out that Ben is his boss. Ben could also be in the coffin as he’s neither friend not family.

  70. DocH says:

    A quick Q? before bed. Did anyone catch the title of the book that Locke was trying to peddle on Ben in the dungeon at the start of the episode?

    Another thought: The “construction plan” of the barracks has several large tunnels 20′ wide and/or deep stringing out from beneath the barracks compound. Ben jailed below ground is the first time we’ve seem anything basement-oriented below the barracks. Maybe there is tunnel access down where Ben is now… or through another secret panel from Bens’ secret closet?
    (yes – I play too much Myst/Riven/Exile).

    And where the heck the others get a pond and a boathouse? Mayberry RFD?

  71. katesFriend says:

    it was also really interesting to me that there was a “jail cell” of sorts in ben’s house’s basement

    is this where jack was kept in season 3?

    it is interesting to me b/c this was a dharma house before it was ben’s house. why would dharma need a jail cell down there? it almost reminded me of something built during the cold war as a nuclear bomb shelter

    just thoughts…don’t know what they mean, of course!

  72. i-heard-eric says:

    wasn’t eric charlie’s brother?

  73. Ben says:

    For those who TIVO’d and listened again and again, you need to get a better sound system with your tv. Not trying to be rude, but she clearly says Aaron. We’ve all seen this show for 4 years, Eric would be no way to end an episode.

  74. Lisa says:

    Charlie’s brother was Liam.

  75. Hortgirl says:

    Whooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!1

  76. Addicted18 says:

    I listened a couple of times and could have sworn I heard a “kkk” sound at the end of Aaron/Eric

  77. skweez says:

    [quote comment="185211"]For those who TIVO’d and listened again and again, you need to get a better sound system with your tv. Not trying to be rude, but she clearly says Aaron. We’ve all seen this show for 4 years, Eric would be no way to end an episode.[/quote]

    Ben, you’re absloutely correct. Kate def. said Aaron… which sounded more like Erin… but def. not Eric….

  78. lost chicka says:

    i cannot see claire giving aaron up, especially when she’s with locke’s group and seems so happy to be hanging laundry in Othertonville.

    why would miles choose 3.2 million??? i think ben is getting money for “working with dharma” tho i’m not sure if they’d be getting paid that much.

    what new evidence has been given to make anyone think they know who’s in the coffin? i saw nothing in this episode that pointed to anyone being in that coffin.

  79. Lisa says:

    We’ll be plesantly saying I told you so about Eric…whatever, we own all three seasons and know what we heard. Thank you for your opinion though, that is what this is all about.

  80. RAY says:

    I love this show and at the same time am so frustrated that the questions keep coming and the answers are so slow to be answered. How many more episodes do we have left before we have to wait? And how long do we have to wait again?

  81. Hortgirl says:

    I guessed that Kate’s Mom was in the funeral home…not now! Who would it have been…maybe Claire since Kate now has Erin…maybe Sawyer since nobody was at the funeral? What do you think?

  82. katesFriend says:

    does anyone else think kate’s feelings toward aaron (in the flash forwards) are strange?

    she goes from being kind of anti-mommy to caring sooooo much about him: she won’t let him come to court, can’t wait to get back, tells jack they can’t even have coffee until he’ll come see him, cries when she finally gets to see him

    these are all things a “real” mom (i don’t mean genetic, i mean someone who has cared for the child for a long time) would feel

    but it seems that kate has only had aaron since they left the island

    while we don’t know how long that has been, it just seems like a total 180 for her character, so something MAJOR must have happened with claire for kate to feel such connection to/responsiblity for aaron

    remember, this is the kate who can’t stay in any one place for very long or have any real attachments

    thoughts?

  83. skweez says:

    [quote comment="185219"]I love this show and at the same time am so frustrated that the questions keep coming and the answers are so slow to be answered. How many more episodes do we have left before we have to wait? And how long do we have to wait again?[/quote]

    3 more epps. before the 5 week break… and then 7 more epps…

  84. WTFJJ says:

    Don’t think this was mentioned yet, but assuming this is indeed Claire’s Aaron then I suppose we know another member of the O6, no?

  85. Katie says:

    Regarding Toeknee’s Comment 21: All that was mentioned by Kate’s lawyer regarding her son was that the lawyer wanted him in the courtroom, not that the son would testify.

  86. Tasha says:

    My television is pretty brand new. It was also pretty dang expensive. Because of all the comments….I just went and looked at the captioning and it said…
    “Hi Aaron.” It also sounds that way. If anyone heard something else you should look at your captioning.

  87. lost chicka says:

    ben has been coming and going off the island for a long time judging by his passports and how much money he apparently makes. i doubt ben would claim to be one of the oceanic 6 as he doesn’t need to be a part of that to travel to and from the island nor would he want to draw that kind of attention for himself if the freighter tots’ boss wants him dead.

    kate’s friend (71): no he was kept in the hydra.

    ben: 4 years? has it really been that long?

  88. RAY says:

    Thanks, Skweez.

    So the O6 are Sayid, Hurley, Jack, Kate, Aaron and ???

    I thought that the baby had Down Syndrome for a second or two, but I think it was just the angle of the camera. And obviously Claire’s Aaron does not have DS. DS is not something you can come down with so, if the baby has DS, then it is Kate’s baby, not Claire’s. However, my guess is that something has happened to Claire and Kate has “adopted” Aaron. I’m guessing that when they were rescued she just said that Aaron was hers.

  89. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="185208"]it was also really interesting to me that there was a “jail cell” of sorts in ben’s house’s basement

    is this where jack was kept in season 3?

    it is interesting to me b/c this was a dharma house before it was ben’s house. why would dharma need a jail cell down there? it almost reminded me of something built during the cold war as a nuclear bomb shelter

    just thoughts…don’t know what they mean, of course![/quote]
    The room where Ben was being kept is the same room where Locke’s father was kept in “The Man from Tallahassee”.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    [quote comment="185224"]Regarding Toeknee’s Comment 21: All that was mentioned by Kate’s lawyer regarding her son was that the lawyer wanted him in the courtroom, not that the son would testify.[/quote]
    thanks for that clarification – that makes more sense.

  90. skweez says:

    Maybe Miles needs to “purchase” something that costs exactly $3.2MM…. and maybe he didn’t get it from Ben, made his way back to civilization and is using his abilities to scam people and rob them… So maybe the scene with him and the dead boys grandmother was a flash forward….

  91. Ben says:

    ‘It’s not the first time you thought with your heart and not with your gun.” Is claire gunned down by ben’s crew? Is she leaking secrets that shouldnt be leaked? 8 survivors, crashed in the water. Obv. Kate and Jack’s lives are now lies. Would AARON seeing Jack strike a childhood memory in AARON? Maybe Jack doesnt want to put the kid through anymore?

  92. dagger says:

    The book was by Dick Francis, but I did not catch the title
    Ben is not the sixth survivor, he was not on the plane
    Kate does not want anyone to see “her son” in public, because she is covering up the fact that it is not hers

    Cool info on the Xanadu reference

  93. lost nuttEE says:

    They think they were on the island 100 days, but time goes slower on the island. It has really been a few years. That is why Walt was taller, and why Aaron is older. They quickly age/grow/catch up somehow after leaving the island.

    I think it was Aaron, no Claire and Jack feels guilt. The 6th is either (from manifest) Jin/Sun/Bernard/Rose/Sawyer/Locke/Cindy(flight attendant). But 8 survived in the new story, Claire must be one of the 8.

  94. shrew says:

    Lisa – it was 100% Aaron, I’ve heard it over 10 times, the closed captioning said Aaron, and why would there be weird music and a cliffhanger after Eric? It doesn’t even sound close to a k sound and the n sound is quite long and deliberate so having said you listened to it repeatedly, you must get your ears checked.

  95. DocH says:

    [quote comment="185218"]
    We’ll be plesantly saying I told you so about Eric…whatever, we own all three seasons and know what we heard. Thank you for your opinion though, that is what this is all about.
    [/quote]
    You may have heard ERIC. Nicole Evangeline Lily may have said ERIC. But closed caption said AARON, verified twice already. So when the enhanced pop-up version says AARON next week, and the next flash-forward says AARON, and the Season Four DVD says AARON, will you then agree that the lad is AARON?
    (Oh, and hope you’re right!)

  96. intolost says:

    Ahhh… the twists and turns, questions answered, questions gained. That’s the beauty of LOST. It is a journey.

    Speaking of the Jack and Clarie sibling connection, I’d like to know what the story is behind Christian Shepherd and his Aussie love (Claire’s mom)? That would be interesting to know. He obviously left her pregnant or with a baby years ago (couldn’t have met her on the net cuz Claire’s mid-20′s), so why did he come back when she was comatose after the car wreck? Did Claire’s flashback episode really answer that? I can’t remember. Did Christian tell Jack he was going to Australia or were they not speaking and Jack just got a call that’s dad’s dead in Australia. I forgot. I can’t remember if we know anything about Jack’s mom either. If Jack didn’t know why dad was in Australia has he investigated it since he was rescued and now knows his half-sibling connection to Claire? I don’t know. Strikes me that this may possibly be an important story line. Maybe that will give us more info on Christian that we will need since he’s now in Jacob’s cabin.
    Yes, I thought the baby did look like Charlie for a second.
    I like the Star Wars connections to the scenes. Hey, another connection. Luke and Leah (Jack and Claire) found out they were half-siblings and their father was VADER!!!! OOOHH…. Christian Shepherd, Jacob, VADER!!! COOL!!!!

  97. mike says:

    [quote comment="185207"]A quick Q? before bed. Did anyone catch the title of the book that Locke was trying to peddle on Ben in the dungeon at the start of the episode?

    Another thought: The “construction plan” of the barracks has several large tunnels 20′ wide and/or deep stringing out from beneath the barracks compound. Ben jailed below ground is the first time we’ve seem anything basement-oriented below the barracks. Maybe there is tunnel access down where Ben is now… or through another secret panel from Bens’ secret closet?
    (yes – I play too much Myst/Riven/Exile).

    And where the heck the others get a pond and a boathouse? Mayberry RFD?[/quote]

    I am about 95% sure that the book was “Ubik” by Philip K. Dick. I’m sure because I am currently reading what looks like the same edition Locke gave Ben.

    If that is the book, that is kind of messed up. For non-Dick fans – Ubik is about a group of people that are dead, but don’t know they are dead.

    Here’s a pic if anybody has a screen shot to compare it to.

  98. RAY says:

    Jack said 8 survived the crash, but only 6 come home. So, Claire would be one of the 8, but not one of 6.

  99. Tasha says:

    Kate’s Friend(Comment 82): The only connection I see is Kate delivered the baby.

    I definitely agree that something major happened to Claire. “What?” is the question. I think Claire stays behind or dies trying to save the baby for some reason and she gives him to Kate at the last moment and Kate is the only woman that survives so she adopts the baby. Maybe a connection between women dying when they have babies on the island. The vaccination does the opposite effect and causes her to stay on the island or she will die, but knows Aaron is better off getting off the island.

    I think it’s ridiculous if Claire is in the coffin. Why would she not have friends and nobody be at her funeral. I would hope that Kate would have brought her Aaron.

  100. GT says:

    I don’t really think there’s any doubt that Kate’s “son” is actually Claire’s Aaron. Kate says she’s not pregnant and drinks wine; Jack wouldn’t want to see him because he is haunted by whatever lie they’ve been telling, and by the fact that Aaron has (for whatever reason) been separated from Claire. Aaron is not with her because (a) Claire died, (b) she asked that he be taken off the island for his own safety, or (c) he was taken from her forcibly. Any of those reasons would cause Jack and Kate serious guilt.

  101. mike says:

    [quote comment="185236"][quote comment="185207"]A quick Q? before bed. Did anyone catch the title of the book that Locke was trying to peddle on Ben in the dungeon at the start of the episode?

    Another thought: The “construction plan” of the barracks has several large tunnels 20′ wide and/or deep stringing out from beneath the barracks compound. Ben jailed below ground is the first time we’ve seem anything basement-oriented below the barracks. Maybe there is tunnel access down where Ben is now… or through another secret panel from Bens’ secret closet?
    (yes – I play too much Myst/Riven/Exile).

    And where the heck the others get a pond and a boathouse? Mayberry RFD?[/quote]

    sorry – here’s a link to the pic:

  102. lost chicka says:

    kate has a REALLY nice house for a person on trial for murder, arsenic, robbery, grand theft auto, and like 20 other things i don’t remember.

    aaron doesn’t look like he has downe’s syndrome. look at the screencaps on dark ufo.

    a murder/arsenic/robber/grand theft auto/etc. case does take a while to put together, and that could be why aaron is so old

  103. skweez says:

    Is Locke the new Ben?

  104. GT says:

    (lost chicka 102): We know the Oceanic 6 received “settlements,” so I think Kate’s wealth comes from her survivor status.

  105. skweez says:

    [quote comment="185241"]kate has a REALLY nice house for a person on trial for murder, arsenic, robbery, grand theft auto, and like 20 other things i don’t remember.

    aaron doesn’t look like he has downe’s syndrome. look at the screencaps on dark ufo.

    a murder/arsenic/robber/grand theft auto/etc. case does take a while to put together, and that could be why aaron is so old[/quote]

    Maybe Sayid wasn’t lying when he said he received a large settelement from the airlines. That’s the only explanation that that I could come up with for her having such nice digs….

  106. intolost says:

    Ahhh… the twists and turns, questions answered, questions gained. That’s the beauty of LOST. It is a journey.

    Speaking of the Jack and Clarie sibling connection, I’d like to know what the story is behind Christian Shepherd and his Aussie love (Claire’s mom)? That would be interesting to know. He obviously left her pregnant or with a baby years ago (couldn’t have met her on the net cuz Claire’s mid-20’s), so why did he come back when she was comatose after the car wreck? Did Claire’s flashback episode really answer that? I can’t remember. Did Christian tell Jack he was going to Australia or were they not speaking and Jack just got a call that’s dad’s dead in Australia. I forgot. I can’t remember if we know anything about Jack’s mom either. If Jack didn’t know why dad was in Australia has he investigated it since he was rescued and now knows his half-sibling connection to Claire? I don’t know. Strikes me that this may possibly be an important story line. Maybe that will give us more info on Christian that we will need since he’s now in Jacob’s cabin.
    Yes, I thought the baby did look like Charlie for a second.
    I like the Star Wars connections to the scenes. Hey, another connection. Luke and Leah (Jack and Claire) found out they were half-siblings and their father was VADER!!!! OOOHH…. Christian Shepherd, Jacob, VADER!!! COOL!!!!

  107. lust4lost says:

    the baby is Kate’s and Sawyers..and if she did take a SIP of wine..it wasn’t enough to hurt anything. she didn’t shag Sawyer b/c she’s upset that he’s so adamant about not having a baby. Aaron is named after Claire’s baby … something happened to Clair & Aaron. Who’s in the coffin? If you pause the video when Jack’s reading the obit … the first name is a short 3 or 4 letter name… the last name looks like 5-6 letters … John Locke fits … Ben would be Benjamin…doesn’t work. Claire is too long.
    going to watch the show again … more later

  108. GT says:

    I don’t mean to be a jerk, but can we please, please, please, please, PLEASE stop talking about the coffin until new information arises? Or could we confine this discussion to the season 3 finale thread? Or could we start a separate Lost Coffin Blog for people who insist on talking about it after every episode?

    Sorry! I really like all of you, and I just prefer to hear new thoughts on new episodes.

  109. skweez says:

    [quote comment="185247"]I don’t mean to be a jerk, but can we please, please, please, please, PLEASE stop talking about the coffin until new information arises? Or could we confine this discussion to the season 3 finale thread? Or could we start a separate Lost Coffin Blog for people who insist on talking about it after every episode?

    Sorry! I really like all of you, and I just prefer to hear new thoughts on new episodes.[/quote]

    Yes, please. I was just about to post the same thoughts. We’re already over 100 posts and 30% of them are about a coffin that we have no new info about.

  110. lust4lost says:

    forget i said anything… i won’t be back

  111. GT says:

    Sorry, lust4lost! Some of us have endured weeks of unending coffin talk, and I was just hoping to redirect the conversation to this episode. You’re not the only one making these comments, and I really didn’t mean to offend any one particular person.

  112. Lost Cause says:

    [quote comment="185227"]Thanks, Skweez.

    So the O6 are Sayid, Hurley, Jack, Kate, Aaron and ???

    I thought that the baby had Down Syndrome for a second or two, but I think it was just the angle of the camera. And obviously Claire’s Aaron does not have DS. DS is not something you can come down with so, if the baby has DS, then it is Kate’s baby, not Claire’s. However, my guess is that something has happened to Claire and Kate has “adopted” Aaron. I’m guessing that when they were rescued she just said that Aaron was hers.[/quote]

    I agree that island Aaron doesn’t have Down’s, but if indeed something is wrong with the child, it would mean the transport from the island (or leaving the island) did it to him. that’s why Jack would feel so guilty.

  113. skweez says:

    [quote comment="185250"]Sorry, lust4lost! Some of us have endured weeks of unending coffin talk, and I was just hoping to redirect the conversation to this episode. You’re not the only one making these comments, and I really didn’t mean to offend any one particular person.[/quote]

    Same here. Don’t want to see you go, but it has been tough with this whole coffin situation and you weren’t by yourself.

  114. Lance says:

    call me crazy for this one… but I don’t think Aaron is one of the O6…. he was not born yet when the plane crashed, so depending on your views of when life begins, he may not have “technically” been on the plane.. the entertainment weekly interview with the producers said that they didn’t consider Ben one of the O6 because he wasn’t on the plane… same MIGHT be able to be said for Aaron???

  115. intolost says:

    I just remembered. At the end of Season 3 Kate tells Jack she has to go home back to him “because you know how he gets.” Jack must have had contact with Aaron.

  116. skweez says:

    [quote comment="185254"]I just remembered. At the end of Season 3 Kate tells Jack she has to go home back to him “because you know how he gets.” Jack must have had contact with Aaron.[/quote]

    Maybe something is wrong with Aaron. I hope not, that would just be WRONG!

  117. DocH says:

    Not to get all lawyer-ree.
    But technically AARON is not one of the OA Six either. He wasn’t on the manifest. He was born after the crash. (I KNOW THE ARGUMENTS BOTH WAYS ON THIS).

    The enhanced version of the “Economist” at the beginning, said we have now seen four OA 6 when they showed said in assassin mode. Ben was after that factoid, and so was Aaron this week. That pop-up confirmed Kate from last season as one of the six. This episode reverified that.

    I still believe there are two left. PLUS two more, a 7th and 8th. The testimony in court was that there were 8 that survived the actual crash (Kate + 7 she single-handedly saved). Who says those two died on the island, they could have died leaving the island. Like Claire on a helo – the vision was that she left on a helo. Fine, the helo ditched and she didn’t make it the freighter. Vision true – Claire dead!

    What I wonder is if the Kate story is to hold-up, do folks now think she was 8 months pregnant at the time of crash? Tough to save 7 other folks in that condition/

  118. GT says:

    I actually wondered if Kate’s attitude about her “son” reflected a specific commitment she made to Claire. When she refuses to bring him to the courtroom, and when she denies her mother the chance to see him, it seems like she is not only protecting him but maybe hiding him. Is this because she doesn’t want people to figure out his true identity?

    On the other hand, she almost insists that Jack see him. Why? If they’re all living a lie and trying to hide from the truth, why would she care whether or not Jack spends time with Aaron?

  119. Peanuts says:

    Come on people… We should all know by know that the Lost writers wouldn’t give us such a predictable episode.
    We need to think deeper. My friend and I think that Kate has an older son as well as Aaron. Would explain alot. Possibly from rape from stepfather. Why would lawyer want a 2 1/2 year old in the courtroom? He does say they need him in the courtroom. And remember when Sawyer asked Kate why she was in a hurry to get off the island when all she had to look forward to was jail?? IF lawyer wanted to use “son” for sympathy wouldn’t the jury already know of “aaron” he is one of the infamous Oceanic 6. The lawyer did ask about the internet and papers. The jury would never convict Kate if there was another child from the stepfather.

  120. skweez says:

    [quote comment="185256"]Not to get all lawyer-ree.
    But technically AARON is not one of the OA Six either. He wasn’t on the manifest. He was born after the crash. (I KNOW THE ARGUMENTS BOTH WAYS ON THIS).

    The enhanced version of the “Economist” at the beginning, said we have now seen four OA 6 when they showed said in assassin mode. Ben was after that factoid, and so was Aaron this week. That pop-up confirmed Kate from last season as one of the six. This episode reverified that.

    I still believe there are two left. PLUS two more, a 7th and 8th. The testimony in court was that there were 8 that survived the actual crash (Kate + 7 she single-handedly saved). Who says those two died on the island, they could have died leaving the island. Like Claire on a helo – the vision was that she left on a helo. Fine, the helo ditched and she didn’t make it the freighter. Vision true – Claire dead!

    What I wonder is if the Kate story is to hold-up, do folks now think she was 8 months pregnant at the time of crash? Tough to save 7 other folks in that condition/[/quote]

    I don’t think he’s one of the O6 either and i don’t think Kate had to lie about Aaron. She could have simply said that one of the women who died had a son. Also, because he wasn’t on the manifest, he wouldn’t be counted toward the O6.

  121. lola says:

    pertaining to “the economist” episode-at the end of the show did anyone notice that one of the dogs in the kennel looked exactly like walt’s dog named vincent?

  122. skweez says:

    [quote comment="185258"]Come on people… We should all know by know that the Lost writers wouldn’t give us such a predictable episode.
    We need to think deeper. My friend and I think that Kate has an older son as well as Aaron. Would explain alot. Possibly from rape from stepfather. Why would lawyer want a 2 1/2 year old in the courtroom? He does say they need him in the courtroom. And remember when Sawyer asked Kate why she was in a hurry to get off the island when all she had to look forward to was jail?? IF lawyer wanted to use “son” for sympathy wouldn’t the jury already know of “aaron” he is one of the infamous Oceanic 6. The lawyer did ask about the internet and papers. The jury would never convict Kate if there was another child from the stepfather.[/quote]

    Good points. Although I don’t believe he is one of the O6. But it would explain Kate telling the prosecutor that she has a son as if it was news. It also would explain the mother wanting to see the child before she died and Kate not wanting to let her near him due to what she let happen to Kate. Also, no one has to know about Aaron. With all of the lies and secrecy, he could’ve just “slipped” through.

  123. DocH says:

    I’ve been informed that Nikki & Paolo were the 7th & 8th crash survivors that never made it to the Oceanic Six. The spiders got them.

    And Mr. Forensics guy – ignore all those other bodies next to Nikki & Paolo with gunshot wounds.

  124. James says:

    I would just like to know what book Sawyer is reading in this episode? I agree with the person(s) that posted about the way Aaron looked. It appeared at first that the “child” did have down syndrome then once Kated picked him up he did not look that way. I too hope the child is ok.

  125. hood55 says:

    WHAT DO YOU THINK THE BLACK SMOKE IS????????????

  126. DocH says:

    How about this? Ben takes Aaron safely off-island with him when he leaves clandestinely. Why? How do you think he gets free of Locke?

    Sometime soon we loose Claire. Kate takes over the mom role for Aaron (Kate had mommy issues). Ben proposes permanent safety for Aaron, if Kate sells her soul (like Sayid). The deal, she facilitates his escape from Locke, he guarantees Aarons return to her. The only thing, Kate has to leave publicly (as OA Six). This guarantees her cooperation on the other side, giving Ben continued coercion powers.

  127. Robuscus says:

    [quote comment="185157"]Anyone catch the Xanadu reference: aka Hurley’s video pick.

    In mythos… Xanadu is a mysterious city concealed deep within the Himalayan Mountains. It lies in a jeweled valley of unparalleled splendor. Shrouded in myth and believed only to be fiction, the truth about this beautiful place has been veiled from the eyes of the known world for thousands of years.

    Only recently has the truth of the fabled city been discovered. Monastery journals, over two hundred years old tell the story of a grand expedition into the Himalayas. The participants of this journey stumble across the sacred valley of Xanadu and record the events in great detail. It is from the story contained within these journals that began the search for further evidence of Xanadu’s existence.

    During the search, Xanadu’s pervasiveness throughout history becomes frighteningly apparent.

    Within the walls of Xanadu lies a garden of exquisite beauty, that holds beautiful works of art, on display for all its citizens to enjoy.

    Excavation suggests the origin of Xanadu is linked to the mysterious destruction of an ancient Sumerian city.

    A series of ancient scrolls depicts the legend of a Demon Goddess.

    A Codex (book) is retrieved and transcribes writings found on an Obelisk.

    An ancient manuscript sheds …. it goes on.[/quote]

    This is a little obsessive, but just to be clear…even if the Xanadu reference were some sort of relevant clue, which it probably is not, it would be in reference to the fact that Xanadu is a fictional place, just as the island seems to be. That is as close a correlation as can be made between an 80′s musical and a current serial drama. Better brush up on your S.T. Coleridge.

    F.Y.I. We can read Wikipedia on our own time. This is a blog, not a re-blog.

  128. skyky says:

    Anyone else think the voice on the phone that answered the emergency number sounded like Penny Widmore?

  129. RAY says:

    I just re-watched the entire episode. The lawyer wants the son in the courtroom to garner “sympathy.” My guess the sympathy would be because it appears that Kate adopted Aaron. Who knows how the adoption really comes about. They are obviously hiding everything about what actually happened.

    I figured it out…. the last O6 is Vincent and he is in the pound when Sayid comes in with the gunshot.

  130. Get a life says:

    [quote comment="185083"]OK, with close to 600 posts on the last episode and many complaints about repitation I have a suggestion. In order to encourage newbies (I am one) yet train all of us to follow the rules I suggest this.

    If someone posts a theory/guess/supposition that has been presented and either agreed on or, more likely, debunked, instead of rehashing it can we send a reply that says:

    “Please read all the previous posts before posting yourself. That comment was already addressed.” You can add the comment number where it was addressed if you want.

    When we re-answer the question we are training ourselves to not do the reading first. I don’t think I can stand to hear, “I think Michael’s in the coffin.” and then “It can’t be him because the funeral director asked ‘friend or family.’” one more time.

    I think everyone would agree that if there is new information or logic to support the “Michael’s in the coffin” theory than it’s not a repeat.

    I was one of the first to say it couldn’t be him because of the friend or family question. I now retract my argument after further thought. A funeral director asking “Friend or family?” is like a waitress asking “Cream and sugar?” when you order coffee. Also, Michael could have been married to Jacks sister (not Claire, a hypothitical sister) making them family. I’m not sugestiong he is in the coffin. Just removing that argument against it.[/quote]
    Get a life.

  131. RAY says:

    So, in this episode are the flash forwards/trial scenes in 2008? Jack said the crash was in 2004. Is Aaron supposed to be 4? He didn’t look four years old. Did Kate’s mom mean that it had been four years since the crash? “For four years the doctors have been telling me I have 6 months to live?”

    Another question? What do you think is behind Sun telling Jin that she wanted to raise HER baby in Korea? Why would they include that if it didn’t have any meaning?

  132. Laura G says:

    Just a quick thought re: Ben & the 3.2 million — remember the “magic box” that can make anything you want appear? I think that ghost-buster dude is saying he knows all about Ben and his special abilities (or the abilities of the island, rather). How does he know? I have no idea!

  133. Laura G says:

    Ray — do you remember the episodes around the time Sun found out she was pregnant? I remember there was a lot of speculation on this blog that Juliet lied to Sun, telling her that the baby was conceived on the island. Since pregnant women die on the island, if Sun survived (in reality because Juliet lied & Sun had actually conceived the baby before the crash with another man) Juliet could claim that she had “solved” this fertility problem that Ben hired her to fix & he would let her go home.

    If this is true, then Sun may still be thinking about this as “her” baby, not her & Jin’s baby.

  134. Linda says:

    [quote comment="185221"]does anyone else think kate’s feelings toward aaron (in the flash forwards) are strange?

    she goes from being kind of anti-mommy to caring sooooo much about him: she won’t let him come to court, can’t wait to get back, tells jack they can’t even have coffee until he’ll come see him, cries when she finally gets to see him

    these are all things a “real” mom (i don’t mean genetic, i mean someone who has cared for the child for a long time) would feel

    but it seems that kate has only had aaron since they left the island

    while we don’t know how long that has been, it just seems like a total 180 for her character, so something MAJOR must have happened with claire for kate to feel such connection to/responsiblity for aaron

    remember, this is the kate who can’t stay in any one place for very long or have any real attachments

    thoughts?[/quote]

  135. Smileyme says:

    Before the episode aired, in the sneek peeks they told us that they’d reveal one more of the 6…. they didn’t reveal anyone except Aaron, so there’s really no question that it’s Claire’s Aaron. I just don’t even want to think about what happened to Claire that would make Kate take him…

  136. JustinRoepel says:

    Great episode tonight!

    I’m thinking that with how old Aaron looked in the crib/bed (2.5-3 years old), that must mean that the Oceanic 6 are not getting off the island anytime soon. The flash forwards are things that happen well into the future. I don’t think they are rescued by the freighter tots. The story line will probably play out a bit longer with Aaron growing on the island, and then we’ll see Penelope’s search party come in to rescue them near the end.

    I’m pretty sure Jack didn’t want to see Aaron because he is still grieving over what happened to Claire on the island. Maybe he wasn’t able to save her or it was his fault she died. Remember that Jack has a rescuer complex. He took it personally when he was told he couldn’t fix his future ex-wife’s back (Sarah?) Maybe Jack just can’t bring himself to face the reality that there was someone he couldn’t save.

    I’m not convinced that the scenes with Daniel and the pilot in the REAL WORLD were flash forwards. The show has a tendency to give flashbacks on new characters. Plus with Charlotte’s flashback to Tunisia, it gives her reason to do research on the island. Also, I think it is asking alot to believe that none of the four tot’s are going to die on the island. We’ve seen that it is a pretty violent/dangerous place.

    Does anyone know what the Temple is that the other’s have been sent to? I am so curious to see them again. Ok that’s it for now. –justin

  137. Linda says:

    Firstly, someone earlier left a comment on how old Aaron could be. He couldn’t be 4 or why would he still be in a crib. I believe when Jack came to her rescue at the courthouse, this took place before the first time we saw them together at the airport where he was a raving lunatic and insisted they had to go back to the island. She said she wouldn’t but was going home to her husband. No husband showed up at the trial. Only Aaron was asked to be a character witness? at two? at four? I think Kate needed that boy for whatever reason, whether it was Claire’s Aaron or her own, that’s what gave her purpose and a chance to get out of trouble.

  138. Ronald Carter says:

    A few observations, mostly already pointed out, but interesting, at least to me.

    - Aaron is Claire’s Aaron. What happens to have it come about that Aaron is with Kate?
    - If the world at large has been told 8 survived the crash, then we have the Oceanic 6 plus 2 dead people from the manifest as well. One of the questions of interest could be the identities of those two people. Was Locke the person in the coffin? Is Claire one of the dead?
    - In order to be rescued, the 6 (or 8) have to been found somewhere other than the Island.
    - What makes Kate, et al, so sure that anyone is back on the island, if it still “exists,” to go back to?
    - The reason Kate has to stay in the state is so the “powers that be” can track Aaron. Aaron is extraordinary.

  139. Andrew says:

    Kate’s house IS nice, but I believe that cash came from Oceanic Air’s settlement with the victims who survived… Speaking of which, there is either (A) incentive for Jack/Kate to lie about what really happened or (B) some folks wanted to stay on the island and be left alone. Not sure how either could pan out if there’s a legitimate rescue mission that previously ocurred and/or NONE of the Oceanic 6 will come out with the truth… I agree with somebody above, that Aaron is waaaay to important to both Kate AND particularly, her mom! The kid must have been ‘born on the island’ or some other lie, because her mom says she never saw the kid once in her 4 years of being ’6 months from death,’ so something is fishy and I don’t think that boy was born outside the island, though they must have been missing long enough for the public to believe the kid is Kate’s and was born there. Hmmm, LOL.

  140. andrew says:

    isn’t 32 the first number of that sequence that’s bad luck. Hence the 3.2 mill.

  141. hiatt says:

    This is the first time I have been on this site. Maybe this theory has already been posted, but I think Sayid is the one in the coffin. He doesn’t have any friends or family and I think that nobody wants to see him because he was working for Ben.

  142. avalanche says:

    i’m left confused. i thought with a name like eggtown there would be eastereggs all through this thing. i thought they were having some fun! i’ve combed blogs and haven’t found anything really interesting. it was a fine story and fairly neat ending but did kate really need to go through all of that (conning locke and getting miles and ben in the same room) to realize that as a wanted person she might be found out as a wanted person? if she had been on the lam for that long can she really be this naive? did she think something may have happened that people would not recognize her as a murderer–like ben changing the past?

  143. stormclouds13 says:

    Well, so far we know that 2 of the Oceanic 6 are people who did not want to leave the island. It could be that they were just in the wrong place at the wrong time when the “rescuers” showed up. They are obviously all trying to protect some secret, lying about the number of people who survived the crash, and Hurley asking if Jack was visiting to see if he was going to tell.

    Maybe Kate was simply watching Aaron when they were discovered and lied to protect Claire, saying she died in childbirth or something of the sort. Claire could very well be still living on the island.

    Does anyone else think that Ben or Widmore or someone else may be after Aaron and that was why Kate was so quick to agree to 10 years probation?

  144. UCLA_Bruin says:

    At the end of season three, doesn’t Jack see that someone died when he reads the newspaper? Maybe that is all coming full circle now with the coffin (?)

    Also, if Kate goes to Tunisia as we saw in a previous episode does that mean that some if not all of these flash forwards are 10 yrs ahead (since she isnt even allowed to leave the state for 10 yrs as part of her probation, let alone leave the country.) Just a couple thoughts…

  145. Laura says:

    [quote comment="185283"]She said she wouldn’t but was going home to her husband. No husband showed up at the trial. Only Aaron was asked to be a character witness? at two? at four? I think Kate needed that boy for whatever reason, whether it was Claire’s Aaron or her own, that’s what gave her purpose and a chance to get out of trouble.[/quote]

    Kate did NOT say she was going home to her husband. What she said was you know how “he” gets. She clearly was talking about Aaron. Kids that age have separation issues when mom leaves. The lawyer did NOT want Kate’s son to be a character witness, he wanted him in the courtroom to garner sympathy.

    Why is it such a big deal for people to bring up their questions or theories on past episodes, including who is in the coffin? I don’t mind reading people’s opinions or theories on anything to do with LOST.

  146. Taylor says:

    [quote comment="185302"]isn’t 32 the first number of that sequence that’s bad luck. Hence the 3.2 mill.[/quote]

    not even close. try 4.

    ***

    by the way, aaron isn’t part of the oceanic 6. he wasn’t on the manifest. there will be two more. i thought it was either sun and jin or sun and claire, but this episode pretty much confirmed that claire doesn’t make it… either way i think sun will definitely make it off.

  147. Laura says:

    ok, I just noticed the rule about commenting on past episodes in that thread, so I understand your request/complaint. But I have to say I never go back to read the post’s on past episodes, so I would miss any of those new posts. oh well.

  148. Sawyer is number 6 says:

    Kate said she wasn’t good with babies, then we see her in the end with, what we were led to believe was Clair’s child. It is clear that there are lots of holes.

    I think everyone is dead, and the six are somehow being hidden in the public eye.

    They been given lots of money that’s for sure. Oceanic Airlines is hiding something and is a big part of it.

    I believe that Sawyer is number 6 and it’s Sayeed in the coffin.

  149. larkstar says:

    What Kate literally said to Jack at the end of the season opener was:

    JACK: No, I’m sick of lying. We made a mistake.
    KATE: I have to go. He’s gonna be wondering where I am…

    So, the “he” turned out to be Aaron, in most likelihood a normal, health boy about age 5 by that time. I’ll admit, I thought he looked like he had down’s syndrome in the first few seconds of that scene. I don’t think he was in a crib as someone said earlier. Didn’t Kate sit down at the foot of his bed?

    As for all the ‘significance’ of Xanadu…that might have meant something if the DocH hadn’t gotten Xanadu confused with Shan-gri-la. Xanadu was a real Mongolian city, north of Beijing, noted for its opulence…not so much for mystical properties. It inspired the poem Kubla Kahn. Shangri-la was a fictional Himalayan city in the book Lost Horizon that legends say may have existed. Or maybe the book inspired the stories?

  150. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="185283"]Firstly, someone earlier left a comment on how old Aaron could be. He couldn’t be 4 or why would he still be in a crib. I believe when Jack came to her rescue at the courthouse, this took place before the first time we saw them together at the airport where he was a raving lunatic and insisted they had to go back to the island. She said she wouldn’t but was going home to her husband. No husband showed up at the trial. Only Aaron was asked to be a character witness? at two? at four? I think Kate needed that boy for whatever reason, whether it was Claire’s Aaron or her own, that’s what gave her purpose and a chance to get out of trouble.[/quote]
    Kate said she had to get back to him. She meant Aaron.

  151. Alena says:

    I was waiting for Kate to say “Aaron” to the child and at the end she did it. So it was very predictable. But still very very interesting.

    1) It could be Kate’s and Sawyer’s son and she just named him after Claire’s Aaron.
    2) It’s Claire’s Aaron and Claire is not one of the Oceanic 6.
    There are not enough hints to decide it now for sure.
    But I think, it’s the second theory.

    So the question would be, what happened to Claire that she gave up Aaron?
    1) Claire is dead. Would be really sad and dramatic but I just don’t want to believe it.
    2) Claire somehow didn’t make it to get rescued (for which reason?). This would fit Charlies visit to Hurley in Santa Rosa. Charlie cared a lot for Claire and Aaron. The only reason he went on his suicide mission was to save Claire and Aaron. And when he want’s Hurley to go back, it’s perhaps because of Claire’s and Aaron’s seperation (and Hurley knows about all of this and that’s why he has visions of Charlie visiting him).

    If “Aaron” is Sawyers and Kates kid, Jack doesn’t want to see him, because this would remind him of the time Kate and Sawyer spent together.
    If it’s Claire’s Aaron, Jack wouldn’t want to see him because this would remind him of Claire who had to be left on the island with the others who weren’t rescued. I bet he would feel guilty that he made it and Claire didn’t (especially if he gets to know that him and Claire are siblings).

    And this all leads to the big questions: Why there are only 6 people rescued. And why they are lying?

  152. Circus Mom says:

    The freighter tots had flashbacks. Each of them learned of 815 being found during their flashbacks. Naomi had told Charlie and Des that 815 had been found and there were no survivors. This happened before the other 4 landed on the island. Their reactions to the news was part of the reasoning for them being chosen for the mission.

  153. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="185269"]Anyone else think the voice on the phone that answered the emergency number sounded like Penny Widmore?[/quote]

    I think it was identified as Regina.

  154. Circus Mom says:

    I’m guessing that they are counting Aaron as one of the 6. That Jack was going to say, in court, that Claire died in childbirth and Kate took care of Aaron from delivery. Kate didn’t want to hear that lie again which is why she stopped Jack. Jack dosn’t want to see Aaron because he feels guilty over Claires death.

    However Claire dies, and I’m sure she did, Hurley also feels guilt over it. Perhaps it is part of how Ben controlls Sayed also.

  155. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="185271"][quote comment="185083"]OK, with close to 600 posts on the last episode and many complaints about repitation I have a suggestion. In order to encourage newbies (I am one) yet train all of us….snip….
    could have been married to Jacks sister (not Claire, a hypothitical sister) making them family. I’m not sugestiong he is in the coffin. Just removing that argument against it.[/quote]
    Get a life.[/quote]

    Guideline number 5 “Be dind and helpful”

  156. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="185271"][quote comment="185083"]OK, with close to 600 posts on the last episode and many complaints about repitation I have a suggestion. In order to encourage newbies (I am one) yet train all of us….snip….
    could have been married to Jacks sister (not Claire, a hypothitical sister) making them family. I’m not sugestiong he is in the coffin. Just removing that argument against it.[/quote]
    Get a life.[/quote]

    Guideline number 5 “Be kind and helpful”

  157. Drarcher says:

    Xanadu is a reference to the movie’s plot concerning the idea of people moving between our world and another world that is timeless and houses the God’s.

  158. Lost and Found says:

    [quote comment="185163"]I agree with the gripe by ToeKnee and Taylor. But I will say that I am glad that they closed down that soap opera “PLOT LINE” so quickly… now we can get on to the good stuff.

    Number question… Kates’ mom said she has been told she has 6 months to live for the last four years. (looks like smokers lung disease). She’d have to have been diagnosed before Kate fled from Iowa. Aaron looks to be about two or just a little more. Timeline kinda fuzzy. She may have spent lots of time fleeing in the US (robbing NM banks?).[/quote]

  159. Lost and Found says:

    [quote comment="185163"]I can’t help but wonder if the comment by Kate’s mom about the 4 years is another clue into the heart of it all. Could it be that in “natural time” Kate was gone four years, but in “island time” it was just months? (Aaron is obviously showing island time againg.) This fits in with the time discrepency between the firing of the payload to the island. And could it also fit in with the discrepency between the leaving of the helicopter and the fact that it had not arrived at the ship yet?

  160. Nigr0damus says:

    mike (Comment 97 The name of the book is Valis by the same author. It’s really interesting for that book to show up in this ep because the book is about…sike I have no idea what the book is about, that’s what Wikipedia is for.

    JustinRoepel (Comment 136) speaking of The Others, what if they get tired of waiting for Ben & decide to go back to the barracks just to see The Losties chilling in their cribs, eating their food & drinking their wine? Wouldn’t that be fun?

    avalanche (Comment 142) maybe there are easter eggs. Remember when Locke brought Ben the book he already read? Locke said “You might catch something you’ve missed a 2nd time around.” Maybe if you watch the ep again…

    I doubt if the “him” Kate is referring to is Aaron. It looks like Kate is out there pretty late, wouldn’t Aaron be asleep? It sounds like she had to make up a reason to be going out so late i.e “I’m running to the store” & that’s why she said “I have to go. He’s gonna be wondering where I am.” I could be wrong, maybe it was a Friday & Kate & Aaron were up late watching Letterman. For all we know right now, she could have Locke waiting at home for her.

    OK I think that’s it for now. I wish I was this involved with my papers for class.

  161. mcotter says:

    Kate took aaron as her own it was a further explanation to why she is a hero and would have helped her case, jack claims that 8 survived, so the world knows that 8 people survived the crash but only six get home, meaning that they tell the outside world that claire survived, died on the island and kate took care of the baby, also Jack might not want to see the baby because it reminds him of his soon to be dead half sister that he finds out about before she dies?

  162. mcotter says:

    Oh and one other thing I think it is silly to assume that the ‘him’ she is referring to isn’t aaron, come on the kid was already a toddler we have no idea how many years have passed by the time of the s3 finale flashforward.

  163. Lesley says:

    I think what we are seeing is the middle of the story. (I think the end is they all go back to the island.) Unsure why Claire did not leave the island, whether she is dead or whether at some point only a certain number are rescued. Or perhaps she dies on the freighter, that would confirm Desmond’s vision. It appears that Ben is backed by a powerful group with the island’s safety in mind and the other side is led by Widmore/Paik. I am guessing the money was not necessarily a settlement but more of a payment for everyone’s silence. (Why wasn’t Hurley well off?? Remember Abbaddon’s offer?) Did the payoff come from Oceanic or Ben!? Someone above mentioned that Kate seemed to be telling everyone she had a child as if the general public did not know. So how did they get rescued and Aaron remained hidden? Great episode although I agree by the end we did see it coming. Chilling just the same!

  164. nicunurse says:

    Aaron looks to be about 2 1/2- 3 (based on chubby cheeks, hand size, youth bed, not crib) HOWEVER, many times kid actors are not the correct age…)
    Kate goes to see her sick mom in the hospital and THEN goes to australia, works for a while and then gets caught, taken to island, etc. Therefore, g’ma’s four years is not the same as the age of Aaron.
    I agree with the short-term memory loss of Daniel except that people truly with that disorder can hardly function….can’t remember what they are about to do, people’s names, etc. He obviously has suffered some type of disability…maybe it has to do with his experiments (like he got hit by his own rocket or something).
    So we know that Jack loves Kate, she loves him…
    the “last eggs” has got to be significant
    YES, I believe it is Sun and Jin who get off…(so if claire dies, who else “dies”)? I think the six go to a different island where they are rescued and brought back…otherwise the rescuers would have found lots of buried bodies on their island. We know that Sayid has to regroup with jack and kate….I bet the helo takes them somewhere else and THEN they are found.
    Any clues about the trailer? It was way too fast and my DVR cut off about half of it…

  165. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="185153"]MAybe Claire AND the baby die or the baby dies, and Kate names the baby after Aaron to honor him?

    That is probably too deep. It has to be Aaron or they would not have played the music they did. Gosh I was so sure it was going to be Sawyer’s baby, especially after the way Jack was acting. I guess seeing the baby would remind him of something. That is Jack’s nephew dangit! He should want to see his nephew!!!![/quote]
    I don’t think it’s too deep, in fact I’m stongly leaning towards it’s Sawyer’s kid because Jack doesn’t accept him. Plus, everything is not as it seems. Would Claire’s Aaron become one of the O6 then?

  166. Tim says:

    I’m not sure why anyone would try to figure out who the two of the 8 that died are? It is a made up story.

    By the way, my theory is that the baby’s parents could be Claire and Sawyer, since Sawyer was in Australia for a while. Isn’t the baby illegitimate and Sawyer is a lady’s man. Although you would think Claire and Sawyer would interact a little differently if that was the case.
    Does anyone know how long he was in Australia before the plane ride home?

  167. Missy says:

    [quote comment="185206"]Ben is probably the 6th survivor of the Oceanic 6 … or somehow he gets off the island unnoticed. In Sayid’s flash forward last week, we find out that Ben is his boss. Ben could also be in the coffin as he’s neither friend not family.[/quote]

    Do you think it’s possible that the “friends” Sayid is protecting are the other oceanic 5 – Katie, Jack, Hurley …

  168. Missy says:

    [quote comment="185207"]A quick Q? before bed. Did anyone catch the title of the book that Locke was trying to peddle on Ben in the dungeon at the start of the episode?

    Another thought: The “construction plan” of the barracks has several large tunnels 20′ wide and/or deep stringing out from beneath the barracks compound. Ben jailed below ground is the first time we’ve seem anything basement-oriented below the barracks. Maybe there is tunnel access down where Ben is now… or through another secret panel from Bens’ secret closet?
    (yes – I play too much Myst/Riven/Exile).

    And where the heck the others get a pond and a boathouse? Mayberry RFD?[/quote]

    Didn’t they have Locke’s dad in a basement room in the barracks area? Maybe that was somewhere else…

  169. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="185261"] Also, no one has to know about Aaron. With all of the lies and secrecy, he could’ve just “slipped” through.[/quote]
    Toeknee and DocH (and others) make great points for adoption. But, IMO that would make Claire’s A an O6. Aaron would not “slip” through because at the least, Claire’s mom knows she was pregnant. If part of the “story” being told to the outside world is Kate decided to adopt a surviving baby…then the baby is an O6 in priciple.

  170. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="185409"]
    I doubt if the “him” Kate is referring to is Aaron. It looks like Kate is out there pretty late, wouldn’t Aaron be asleep? It sounds like she had to make up a reason to be going out so late i.e “I’m running to the store” & that’s why she said “I have to go. He’s gonna be wondering where I am.” I could be wrong, maybe it was a Friday & Kate & Aaron were up late watching Letterman. For all we know right now, she could have Locke waiting at home for her.
    [/quote]
    I could kate saying that about Aaron, even at that late time. Kids will occasionally wake up in the middle of the night, for various reasons, and as a devoted mother Kate wouldn’t want to take a chance on not being home when that happens. Presumably there’s no father-type in the picture.

    Also, thinking a little more about the FF’s from the season 3 finale, all during the episode, Jack was calling Kate, and Kate never answered. Perhaps she was avoiding Jack. Then when she does agree to meet him, she wants to keep it short and sweet, doesn’t want to discuss going back to the island, and finally just wants to leave Jack. Bit not wanting to hurt Jack’s feelings, she uses Aaron as the excuse.

  171. PBella says:

    [quote comment="185162"]I guess the Oceanic six are: Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Aaron and the 6th one to be revealed.[/quote]

    Can Aaron really be counted as one of the O6? He wasn’t an original passenger on the plane – he was born on the island.

  172. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="185344"]
    Also, if Kate goes to Tunisia as we saw in a previous episode does that mean that some if not all of these flash forwards are 10 yrs ahead (since she isnt even allowed to leave the state for 10 yrs as part of her probation, let alone leave the country.) Just a couple thoughts…[/quote]
    I don’t think Kate ever went to Tunisia. Maybe you’re confusing Kate with Charlotte?

  173. GAgirl says:

    In reference to Desmond’s “vision”: Do we the viewers actually SEE the vision of Claire and Aaron getting into a helicopter or does Desmond tell Charlie about the vision (one he may not have had) – perhaps to convince him to risk his life to save her and the baby?

  174. Thirsty says:

    [quote comment="185474"][quote comment="185409"]
    I doubt if the “him” Kate is referring to is Aaron. It looks like Kate is out there pretty late, wouldn’t Aaron be asleep?
    [/quote]
    I could kate saying that about Aaron, even at that late time. Kids will occasionally wake up in the middle of the night, for various reasons, and as a devoted mother Kate wouldn’t want to take a chance on not being home when that happens. Presumably there’s no father-type in the picture.[/quote]

    What if the “he” Kate is referring to is Ben… Ben has Sayid under his power, he may have Kate as well.

  175. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="185359"]ok, I just noticed the rule about commenting on past episodes in that thread, so I understand your request/complaint. But I have to say I never go back to read the post’s on past episodes, so I would miss any of those new posts. oh well.[/quote]
    Laura – I think a lot of the rules are somewhat flexible. If something in the current episode can be related to a past episode (which is sort of a given, with LOST), I don’t think there’s an issue with discussing the previous episode. But in order to minimize the number of comments that we have to read through, it’s easier if people don’t keep making random comments about past episodes.

  176. Bailey Loves Lost says:

    Is anyone else wondering when Desmond is going to give Claire the list that Charlie stuck in his pocket during the season finale last year?

    I also think that the “freighter tots” are definitely connected with Dharma. I think that Penelope’s father is also associated with Dharma because when Desmond went to visit him at his office there was a Dharma-type picture behind him. And also, wasn’t Des racing in a boat race that Penny’s father sponsored? Maybe he had something to do with Des crashing on the island – after all, he didn’t want Desmond to be with Penny. This could be how Naomi had Desmond and Penny’s picture and why Frank and Daniel gave that look when Desmond asked if they knew Penelope.

    I think that this week’s episode answered a lot of my questions that I had. I think this was a great episode. I think that the reason why kate didn’t want to go back to the island is because she has the 10-year probation sentence. Maybe she is finally happy with her life now that she has Aaron and wants to settle down and is tired of running. Maybe Ben or the others want Aaron because he is “special” and she feels she needs to protect him.

    The Oceanic Six probably lied about there not being other survivors because they want to protect them. Or they came up with that plan to protect Kate because they knew she was going to be in trouble with the law when she returned. Maybe they made up that story to make her look like a hero to help her defense. They might possibly realize that the island is indeed special, so they need to protect their friends on the island. I really don’t think that Ben is a good guy – but he is probably right on most accounts. Maybe they realize that they should have trusted Ben – and now just want to protect their friends who stayed on the island. I don’t think that Claire is dead. I just think that at the moment they had to be rescued she wasn’t there and Kate just took Aaron. I can’t imagine Claire dying.

    This episode also made be kind of not like Kate. I thought it was selfish of her to take Miles to Ben just so that he would tell her what he knew about her. Obviously the plane crash would be all over the news and I’m sure there would be mention to a convicted felon being on the plane. So of course he knew who she was!

    One last thing, I still think that Miles looks like the guy from the Dharma videos and could be his son! (Could be far-fetched – but you never know!)

  177. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="185372"]Kate said she wasn’t good with babies, then we see her in the end with, what we were led to believe was Clair’s child. It is clear that there are lots of holes.
    [/quote]
    I think the only point of Kate saying she wasn’t good with babies was to draw a parallel between her and Claire. After Kate said that, she pointed out how Claire was so good with Aaron. Claire laughed at that notion – she never expected to be a good mother. I think she said that several times in season 1 as well. But, once a woman has a baby, instinct takes over, and most of the time the mother knows just what to do, and she ends up feeling a love for that baby that she never thought she’d be capable of feeling.

    Somehow, the same evolution happened to Kate. For whatever reason, Kate has become Aaron’s caretaker, and she developed feelings for Aaron she never thought she could have, and has learned how to be a good, loving mother.

  178. Tina says:

    Thoughts on “Aaron”:

    Recall the beachside breakfast Kate had with Ben. Perhaps part of the conversation we the audience weren’t privy to had to do with WHY Ethan kidnapped Claire. Maybe what the psychic said about Claire needing to raise the baby herself and not give him up is significant in this regard. There must be some connection to what happened to her (Claire) while she was with the Others and the way in which Kate ended up with the baby. If there is something up with Aaron becuase he isn’t being raised by Claire, that would explain why Kate says to Jack in his flash forward “You know how he gets.”

    We need to go back to the cannon and put all of these new clues into the bigger picture. This episode what just as much about Claire & Aaron as it was about Kate and if we think about it like that, makes a heck of lot more “big deal” sense.

  179. adriennez says:

    I think that Miles is Ben’s “man on the boat”. I think that when Miles was talking to Ben and telling him that he would report back that Ben had died, and then was talking about how much money he wanted from Ben…I think that it was a secret code. Miles was the one who talked about using a secret code with Naomi when we first saw him…the whole “tell my sister I love her” thing. I think when Ben said “why $3.2 million, why not $3.3 or $3.4?”, that he was confirming whatever message Miles was trying to tell him. Mile also said that Ben had 3 days and Ben said that he needed a week, which Miles agreed to. I think this was more code talk.

    They also have the fellow ghost whisperers connection. Did anyone else get that feeling about their conversation?

  180. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="185436"]
    I don’t think it’s too deep, in fact I’m stongly leaning towards it’s Sawyer’s kid because Jack doesn’t accept him. Plus, everything is not as it seems. Would Claire’s Aaron become one of the O6 then?[/quote]
    Hammer, aside from the issues of whether Kate was pregnant and why would she name a kid Aaron and the other in-story clues that make me think this is Claire’s Aaron, I also think this:

    I doubt very much D&C would introduce a second baby and name it Aaron to deliberately mislead the audience. Yes I know we’ve been misled many times (Mikhail’s “deaths”, Henry turning out to be Ben the leader of the Others, etc etc). But to me, having this be a second Aaron would be a more direct lie to the audience, if you know what I mean.

    Part of the reason I think this is the comments D&C made in that Doc Jensen interview, when they discussed the two bracelets in “The Economist”. The message boards were flooded with speculation that Sayid took Naomi’s bracelet and gave it to Else. D&C pretty much laughed at that, saying that they had each woman wear a bracelet to draw parallels between Sayid’s island life and post-island life.

    Also, in the podcast from earlier this week, D&C said the last line in “Eggtown” is “a killer”. I don’t think you’d consider it a killer if the baby wasn’t Claire’s Aaron.

  181. TheoryNut says:

    [quote comment="185260"]pertaining to “the economist” episode-at the end of the show did anyone notice that one of the dogs in the kennel looked exactly like walt’s dog named vincent?[/quote]

    *Yes… I thought the camera shot was interesting, why pan the dog kennels so closely, I’m going to watch again!

  182. adriennez says:

    Toeknee…

    I totally agree with your last post…they wanted to show the contrast of Kate then and Kate now.

  183. selfmute says:

    I’m wondering why no one has suggested that Locke may be the man in the coffin. He’s the obvious choice: no family, not a friend! Jack looked like he was repentant at the funeral home, and he said to Kate that he wanted to go back. Maybe he’s repentant because he knows he was ultimately wrong about getting off the island and Locke was right?! I have a sense that Locke FOLLOWED THROUGH with suicide, where Jack failed in the first episode this season. And Jack is the kind of man to pay homage to his greatest competitor.

    The baby is Aaron. Claire is obviously dead if that is the case, since no mother would give up her child for any cause (even though she was a reluctant mother before she reached the island). It really annoys me to hear people talk about “maybe she named him in honor…” when the story obviously directs us otherwise. I know this show is full of twists, but this is obviously a plot twist to keep us squirming. (Notice: this was revealed at the very end of the episode, much like other plot twists)

    I feel that if there was a severe time difference from the island to the real world, it would be more obvious. Yes, Aaron is a few years old, but we don’t know how long they stay on the island, either. The rest of the world accepts them as some sort of heroic icon, not an item that defies space/time. If the time difference was a big deal, they would all be employed by science to explain how, not wandering the free world attempting to regain their old lives.

    The freighter tots are a motley bunch too. People have speculated about whether their back stories are flashforwards or flashbacks. It’s very unclear, because Charlotte was reading a newspaper about the crash when she finds polar bear remains in the desert, but then, how would she know to look in the desert for polar bears? Miles works extorting money from the superstitious, and then asks Ben for cash… but couldn’t it be the other way around where Miles NEEDS to extort people because Ben cheated him somehow? And Danny? He’s just plain weird… Don’t think he’ll be much of a character other than to reveal “secret” information that propells the story.

    This is quite enough for a first time blogging here.

  184. Dave I says:

    Could the 3.2 million be the amount of the settlement the O6 each received in the future and Miles knew it ?

  185. Paul says:

    Wow!! What an episode!! OK it was pretty easy to figure out that that was AAron in the end. They basically hit you over the head with the clues. But the real shocker about this episode was that Claire had more than one line of diologue. NOTE TO WRITERS: Claire is an ORIGINAL LOSTIE. That means flash episodes now and then. OK rant completed. This show is driving me crazy! I need answers! Thanks to all of the LOST BLOGGERS out there that point out what I may have missed. Oh and 1 more thing – JATERS UNITE!! Last night was a setback but do not give up.

  186. Tina says:

    Oh and that “crib” isn’t a crib at all but one of those converted crib beds! That kid is BIG and there is no way that Kate could have been theorized to be 8 months pregnant at the initial stages of the plan crash.

    I bet that she isn’t hiding the fact that she adopted Aaron and I’m certain Calire is going to die in some terribly tragic way. I also suspect that Ben & the others know why Claire needed to raise him herself and whatever Aaron’s “powers” are, the others wanted to harness for themselves despite warnings.

    I betcha.

  187. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="185502"]…killer if the baby wasn’t Claire’s Aaron.[/quote]
    All points def. lead toward the original Aaron. I just can’t let go of Jack not accepting the baby. That makes absolutely NO sense. I’m not buying the “bad memories” crap. No sense in debating anymore until we get some type of confirmation…so I concede for now.

  188. Bailey Loves Lost says:

    [quote comment="185464"]I’m not sure why anyone would try to figure out who the two of the 8 that died are? It is a made up story.

    By the way, my theory is that the baby’s parents could be Claire and Sawyer, since Sawyer was in Australia for a while. Isn’t the baby illegitimate and Sawyer is a lady’s man. Although you would think Claire and Sawyer would interact a little differently if that was the case.
    Does anyone know how long he was in Australia before the plane ride home?[/quote]

    Aaron is not Sawyer’s baby. Claire had a boyfriend in Australia that she actually lived with after she became pregnant. Then he broke up with her.

  189. Rachel says:

    [quote comment="185464"]I’m not sure why anyone would try to figure out who the two of the 8 that died are? It is a made up story.

    By the way, my theory is that the baby’s parents could be Claire and Sawyer, since Sawyer was in Australia for a while. Isn’t the baby illegitimate and Sawyer is a lady’s man. Although you would think Claire and Sawyer would interact a little differently if that was the case.
    Does anyone know how long he was in Australia before the plane ride home?[/quote]

    Claire had a boyfriend that she was living with in Austrailia – so he is (presumably) the father. I think you may be stretching with this theory…But again, LOST is all about the surprise twists.

  190. Bailey Loves Lost says:

    [quote comment="185472"][quote comment="185261"] Also, no one has to know about Aaron. With all of the lies and secrecy, he could’ve just “slipped” through.[/quote]
    Toeknee and DocH (and others) make great points for adoption. But, IMO that would make Claire’s A an O6. Aaron would not “slip” through because at the least, Claire’s mom knows she was pregnant. If part of the “story” being told to the outside world is Kate decided to adopt a surviving baby…then the baby is an O6 in priciple.[/quote]

    Claire’s mom was in a coma though when Claire told her that she was pregnant. We don’t know if she has come out of the come or not.

  191. Julie says:

    Okay so I haven’t posted in FOREVER… since like TLE… but I have been reading. Here is my two cents for what it’s worth. If I hit on some stuff that someone else hit on, my apologies. I’m at work and can’t read all 170+ posts.
    SO………
    I had to TiVo last night because I went to a hockey game so when I got home at midnight I sat down to watch.
    Obviously the ‘he’ Kate is referring to in last seasons finale is Aaron and not Sawyer like we all thought.
    I think that its possible that this FF (flash forward) is actually before the FF from the season finale. Something happens that causes Jack to ‘want to go back’ and I dont think that he can go from what he was in the SF to what he was last night.
    I spent the last couple of weeks trying to guesstimate who the Oceanic 6 are. Well.. last night Jack when on the stand talks about 8 survivors… but two had perished.
    We know that Sayid left with Desmond. We know that Sayid (now) works for Ben. We know that these ‘people’ want Ben. So, my thinking is that (and looking at next weeks teaser) Sayid and Desmond kind of become prisoners in a way. These ‘people’ then also take Ben as a prisoner. Ben convinces Sayid to help him escape. (I mean comeon if you needed to escape from something wouldn’t YOU want Sayid there??)Ben tells Sayid that the others are in danger and he is the only person that can help save them. So… sayid being Sayid goes for it. (Now) Sayid is knocking off all these people for Ben who he thinks will harm the Oceanic 6… but in fact I believe the list is a compilation of people who know of the islands existance. Ben wants to go back and by killing off all those who know something about it… it would be alot safer to go back.
    Also, something else struck me. We (I) assumed last week that Sayid was part of the 6 when he told the man on the golf course that he was. However the man did not know this prior to Sayid telling him. BUT last night Kates lawyer said “but she has one of the most recognizable faces on the planet. everyone knows who she is.” SO…. is Sayid was one of the 6, why was mr. shot in the head while on the green not able to recognize him?
    On to my last observation.
    Obviously something happens to Claire… which sucks because I like her. Shes alot like me. Anywho… as of right now Jack still has no idea that Claire is his sister. So why wouldn’t he want to see Aaron? Obviously he figures it out sometime between then..and now.. or now.. and then.. agh… timelines!.. Anywho.. I’m thinking that Claire dying might have something to do with Jack. We all know Lost is about making decisions. Everyone thinks the big decision is Kate:Sawyer or Kate:Jack. Turns out.. she doesn’t have to decide. Sawyer stays on the island and Jack doesn’t want her. SO… the big decision? I’m thinking it comes down to Kate or Claire. I know that it wont be this dramatic but for an example bare with me. Lets say Kate Jack Claire and Aaron are on a helicopter. It starts spinning out of control. Aaron and Jack are fine but Clarie and Kate are hanging on by one arm ala Sylvester Stallone. Jack can only save one… he chooses kate. He gets home… finds out that Claire was his sister and he didn’t choose to save her…… he’s just killed (or let die) his sister and his nephews mother. That seems a good reason to not want to see him…
    Aaron was born on the island so there is no birth record. Kate just tells everyone she was pregnant and had him on the island.

  192. scooter says:

    Quick observation…How could Kate claim that Aaron is hers? Wasn’t Claire pregnant on the plane? I mean like showing and everything? The timeline for that would be too easy to debunk.

    Also I used to like Locke, but I’m having second thoughts…

  193. TheoryNut says:

    Here’s a few things that popped out last night,

    I agree, that the flashforwards are the middle for sure. They will go back by the end of the show.

    I find it interesting, on the island all the losties have new idenities, new life, pretty good so far , Sawyer made a great point last week about playing house.

    Now that we have seen some of the Oceanic 6, life sucks for them, the island was the better place to be. In some ways, the experience didn’t change them and make them “better” people, if you want to get philosophical about the “magic” of the island.

    Jack is still a Doctor
    Kate is still a Fugitive
    Hurley is still in mental care
    Sayed is still killing/taking orders

    **Ben is still callling all the shots…hum…

    I thought the Xanadu thing was very interesting, I recently read Lost Horizon and now that the mention Xanadu in the story, there is a Shangrala/Xanadu world going on for sure. Leave it all behind.

  194. Julie says:

    [quote comment="185519"]Quick observation…How could Kate claim that Aaron is hers? Wasn’t Claire pregnant on the plane? I mean like showing and everything? The timeline for that would be too easy to debunk.

    Also I used to like Locke, but I’m having second thoughts…[/quote]

    When you get on a plane they don’t note “Seat 2A expecting”. I’m sure there are videos of them boarding the plane but anytime there has ever been a plane crash did Fox news run the video of them boarding? Do you know if anyone on that plane was pregnant?
    Kate could have been pregnant on the plane. The only people that would know for sure that she wasn’t are the people that were on the plane. Hurley, Jack, well thats all we really know.. but they are going to give her up. Why would they?
    Kate was a fugitive on the run. It’s not like she was having Sunday tea parties with her picture in the society section. No one would have known if she were pregnant or not.

  195. Tina says:

    [quote comment="185472"] But, IMO that would make Claire’s A an O6. Aaron would not “slip” through because at the least, Claire’s mom knows she was pregnant. If part of the “story” being told to the outside world is Kate decided to adopt a surviving baby…then the baby is an O6 in priciple.[quote]

    I don’t think this is true at all. Names on the manifest are going to be the O6. Aaron is probably not going to get a part of the settlement dollars like the rest do, unless there’s some story line about Claire dying in childbirth and he surviving her blah blah blah. 8 survived the initial crash and of those 8 survivors (aaron’s not born yet remember) 6 got off the island which means 2 die (again aaron may not be born yet according to this fictitious storyline). The two ideas aren’t mutually exclusive. Aaron may be an O6er or may not be. There is nothing absolute about your opinion.

  196. Tina says:

    [quote]But, IMO that would make Claire’s A an O6. Aaron would not “slip” through because at the least, Claire’s mom knows she was pregnant. If part of the “story” being told to the outside world is Kate decided to adopt a surviving baby…then the baby is an O6 in priciple.[/quote]

    I don’t think this is true at all. Names on the manifest are going to be the O6. Aaron is probably not going to get a part of the settlement dollars like the rest do, unless there’s some story line about Claire dying in childbirth and he surviving her blah blah blah. 8 survived the initial crash and of those 8 survivors (aaron’s not born yet remember) 6 got off the island which means 2 die (again aaron may not be born yet according to this fictitious storyline). The two ideas aren’t mutually exclusive. Aaron may be an O6er or may not be. There is nothing absolute about your opinion.

    Sorry about screwing up the quoting!

  197. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="185519"]Quick observation…How could Kate claim that Aaron is hers? Wasn’t Claire pregnant on the plane? I mean like showing and everything? The timeline for that would be too easy to debunk.[/quote]

    If we believe that the Aaron from Eggtown IS Claire’s Aaron (which I do), the possible time differential (that 31 minutes being the most significant clue thus far) between Island Time and ROTW (Rest of the World) could be the way Kate can pretened Aaron is hers.

    Going on the assumption that Claire was 8 months pregnant when the plane crashed, that puts her 8 months “ahead” of the possibility that Kate got pregnant on the island, or perhaps 5 months “ahead” of the possibility that Kate was pregnant, but not showing when on the plane.

    Given the rampant variants of ideas about time passing on Island, versus ROTW, why couldn’t Kate make the world think Aaron is hers?

    I am not saying she is going to, but it IS a possibility.

    : ) P

  198. Kendall says:

    Is it just me or when Miles asked for the 3.2 Million, did anyone else flash back to the Hanso Foundation storyline from the online “LOST Experience”? I am wondering if the rescuers and Sayid’s german girlfriend are somehow related to that storyline.

  199. cel says:

    i couldn’t agree more with toeknee…this is the weakest of the 4 episodes so far…but it had it’s moments, i just think it was kind of slow and with little information, at least from what i wanted to know :)

    So i think Kate has Claire’s son, but then maybe she lost hers at some point of the pregnancy.

    Kate’s not my favorite character, she’s always fishy about things and living lies all the time, making wrong decisions.
    What about the house where she lives! wow, nice house, maybe Claire’s?

    I miss sayid, i was hoping to see more about where they went.

    So this episode focused on Kate…mmm…. not my favorite, the 3rd one was amazing! hopefully the 5th will be better….

  200. Your Mom says:

    Did anyone catch what that fat guy yelled at Kate when she got out of the car to the courtroom with all of the paparazzi? I replayed it back and forth and it sounded like, “where’s john locke?” but can’t confirm…don’t know if closed caption caught it or not.

  201. dukewm says:

    Damn, my head’s spinnin’ now!

    I’ll go along with ‘Aaron’ (in lieu of Eric) based on at least 2 previous posts claiming Closed Caption verification, which Was one of my

    ‘middle of the night’ thoughts (but haven’t verified myself yet).

    Makes more sense anyway in terms of “shock value”.
    Besides, Kate told Sawyer she was SURE she wasn’t preggers.
    Only thing that bothers me is, she was definitely not that interested in holding Aaron back in New Otherton and at the end she sure

    looked like that was HER baby with extreme caring. A HUGE change!

    AND, since there has been lots of speculation already I’ll try NOT to reiterate.

    Briefly, my ‘guess’ is Des & Sayid eventually landed somewhere else, NOT the Freighter and the complete O6 (or O8) set of ‘survivors’

    joined them in a future Ep, including Claire & Aaron, Jack, Kate, Hurley. That’s 7, but I’m NOT counting Aaron (not on 815), giving us

    the O6. That fulfills Des’ “vision” and If you want to count Aaron & Ben, that’s 8.

    Then somewhere in their transport back to the “Real World”, something ELSE goes wrong (as if these folks haven’t had enough drama

    already) and Claire (unfortunately) doesn’t make it through this second catastrophy. (Not only that but) Jack has the opportunity to

    save her and for some reason fails and is devastated by his failure, thereby making it painful for him to visit Aaron. All this happens

    WITHOUT him ever finding out they are 1/2 siblings.
    Since Claire doesn’t make it, we still need one more to survive as the O6 who “make it home”.

    Perhaps Jacks’ testimony was NOT that much lying and MOSTLY true.
    Maybe Kate was heroic is saving all 6 from the second catastrophy and in the last seconds of Claires life she handed Aaron off to Kate,

    bringing about Kates’ sudden “attitude adjustment”.

    The ‘Big Coverup’?
    All the lies?
    WHY would Jack testify there were 8 who survived the crash and 6 that made it back home?
    Could he be referring to a second crash?
    WHY does he feel compelled to conceal the real truth about Island survivors?

    A jigsaw puzzle with missing pieces!

    A note on Flash Forwards: We’re being fed all these F/F’s (and F/b’s) but they are certainly NOT in chronological order.
    Part of the puzzle is to figure out that order in our theories to solve this mystery.

    I HATE these 7 day waits. The Season Box Sets would be the only way to watch this series IF we could wait! I almost wish I was on the

    Island and could “make it home”, buy all 6 seasons and watch every Ep bang . . . bang . . . bang.

  202. Tina says:

    Note on Daniel’s memory game: I don’t think he has lost ALL of his short term memory, but it may have been affected by something which would explain why in his earlier flashes we met his home health aide. It would also explain why he didn’t “know” why he was upset by the plane crash.

    Perhaps as he remains on the island, we’ll see and distinct change in his ability to recall information (healing powers of the island much?).

  203. KC says:

    Just catching up this morning. I’ve been reaading this for awhile but never posted so here goes..

    I’ll get the coffin out of the way. I was under the impression that this was a flashback and it was his father in the coffin. This coffin thing has opened a new can of worms for me. Oh well. I guess I really wasn’t paying attention.

    Few theories on Aaron. My first thought was that this is Claire’s Aaron. I don’t think Claire is dead. She is still on the island. Somehow, they had to leave her and took Aaron. Remember, copters have a weight limit. It would make sense they could take a child and not a full grown adult. Kate/Jack/whoever else took Aaron, either knowing they could not come back for Claire or something happened that they could not come back for her. Hero’s decision… sacrificing a few for the good of the whole. Kate needed to claim Aaron as her own because they could not say that there were people still on the island. Hence, Jack’s guilt (he keeps saying they need to go back) and Kate’s feirce potectiveness. But then something else occured to me…this is a reach. Kate got pregnant on the island. You know how they are with pregnant women. She kept it a secret to protect her child from ‘them’ coming to get the kid for research or whatever the deal is with that. She passed him off as Aaron to protect him from ‘them’.

    I liked the Xanadu reference. However, I do not think it has any relevance. This incredible show is full of figurative references, just like good literature, to make it interesting and make people think.

    I was surprised at Kate getting Miles and Ben together. Really, really surprised. Just to find out if they know about her past? Is she considering staying on the island if they do? It doesn’t really matter if they know if she is dead set on leaving. Obviously, the feds will find her when she returns. I think there was more to that… or will be more. And then spending a snuggly night with Sawyer after he betrays her to Locke? Plain weird.

    Did anyone else notice Sayid gaze at Naomi when he put her body in the copter, almost wistfully, if not knowingly? There have been a few weird moments with him. I’m almost starting to think he’s a plant and has been working with Ben all along. Granted, if that’s true he’s made it look good. The ‘friends’ he’s protecting are not the suriviors at all but others from his past or something like that. Just a thought.

  204. tickles says:

    This episode was kind of a let down for me. There was so much that was wrong with the whole Kate on trial thing..it really bothered me.
    If Kate is/wasn’t pregnant….then why is she so rabid about going back? Like Sawyer asked her. She is wanted for murder and her own mother turned her in. Even if in my opinion the girl deserved a medal for killing that no good s.o.b. who was abusing her mother.
    even though I had thought earlier that Kate somehow ends up with Aaron….I can’t believe that Claire’s family and the boyfriend would not have fought for custody giving the settlement the Oceanic 6 seems to have received.
    I still believe that Ben is actually the good guy in all of this…he is protecting the island. Perhaps due to Aaron’s special powers (as well as Walt’s) they are being groomed to be the next generation of protectors for the island. Kate has been given custody of Aaron thanks to Ben and she is now working with Ben.
    Like Sayid is to help the others and to protect the island.

    If we take the writers at their word…there are initially 8 people who leave the island. Somehow 2 of them die in the attempt. The others choose to stay on the island…like Rose and Bernard, Sawyer…Locke would never leave the island voluntarily…he does not want to go back to being paralyzed. However, I think the island is starting to reject Locke and he will go mad…end up like Jacob in the cabin.
    I don’t get the whole Sun and Jin thing. I thought she was the reason they could not have children and that the island made it possible for her to get pregnant. Even though she and Michael had a nice friendship…I don’t think it ever turned physical. But I could be wrong.

    I personally am tired of Jack. I wish he would just do something…anything. He spends all of his time second guessing every decision he makes. Someone earlier said maybe Jack feels guilty because he had to choose between saving Kate and Claire and now Claire is dead. I don’t think Jack would be able to make any decision…and both Kate and Claire would be dead if it was left to him.

    It still really (really) bugs me why everyone trusts Desmond. I don’t like Desmond…never have. I think he wanted Charlie gone because he liked Claire. And did anyone else notice how happy both he and Juliet were when they came back together?

  205. falomo says:

    Comment to 119 (and new to Lost blogging)
    My friend and I think that Aaron might be Kate’s son from the rape by her step-father. That explains Kate’s attitude toward her mom seeing the baby. It also explains why she doesn’t want her son brought into the court room situation. She would have to testify to the fact the she became pregnant by her step-father. That would be another reason to want to kill him. We’re not sure if this fits in the the time line of the story, but thought it was an interesting storyline. Jack not wanting to see the child could be because she lied to him on the island by never telling him about the child and he resents her lack of trust.

  206. deangoodes says:

    Great posts by many of you. Not so great from other posters. To anyone posting about the coffin: It has been documented that the coffin has a MAN in it, so no more guessing a woman in the coffin.
    If the O6 all got a big cash settlement, why is Jack always driving that piece of crap 4 wheel drive rust bucket?? Does he feel guilty for taking the money? Why did he lie so severely about Kate saving all of the 815 survivors that made it. Why couldn’t she just have been instrumental in the survival? It seems like he really went over the top and I don’t understand why.
    Earlier there was a post stating maybe Ben was Penny’s dad; no chance of that. Desmond knows Penny’s father and he knows Ben so he would have known if they were the same person.
    I feel bad for Daniel, he seems to have memory issues along with his timidness. I wonder if we’ll get to find out about all of his shortcomings.

  207. cel says:

    Did you noticed that when Miles was arguing with ben, he told him, “i know who you are, and what you do”…

    what do you think he was referring to?

  208. vavila says:

    Apart from Aaron conversations, i thought there were some other important things:

    - people who sent Miles and Co have different agendas or are potentially loyal to different groups. Regina did not know about helicopter, and this could not have been a miscommunication between her and Malinowski, you just don’t miscommunicate when it comes to an important mission. So i think they may be seemingly working for the ‘same boss’ but have different agendas and loyalties

    - dharma/Widmore/abaddon people are very complex. We don’t know yet how they are all connected, but i think they have different agendas. Some clearly want Ben out, however some (potentially from the above mentioned groups) are sponsoring and protecting Ben and his mission. This explains the food drops, resources available to Ben after Dharma were killed, Ben knowing who Charlotte was etc. But it is not all black and white either: some want Ben out and some don’t as you have people inatraing other group’s camps to get inside information. There are a lot of shifting loyalties there – Miles is the prime example of that. These shifting/questionable loyalties is the reason why Ben does not trust people and give away information even to the ‘seemingly good’ people because even these ‘good people’ can be manipulted by others and therefore cannot be trusted. Ben is confident only in his true allies, he refers to ‘my people’ etc. Ben also made a comment along the lines; what friends are for if you cannot trust them (refering to Hurley’s actions) highlighting the importance of true friends and true allies.

    - I think that starting with the next episode we will be finding out more who is who in the dharma/widmore/abaddon/melinowski etc mix. What are their agendas (and hopefully why) as i belive they are differnet agendas with the most simplistic breakdown i can currently offer is those who want Ben out and those who support/sponsor him

    - I also have a question for people who have a good understanding of the time differential theory. Did the last night’s episode support it? I thought that Kate’s mother didn’t age much (what would question the time difference theory i my mind)… What do you think?

    - Dan playing cards: i thought they were tryign to see if the island had healing powers on Dan

    - someone asked if Locke is a new Ben. yes! He is new Ben on the island and Ben has more things to handle outside the island in future so Locke is gradually taking the leading role among Losties while Richard is leading the ‘Others’; and both Richard and Locke and Ben have a relationship with Jacob

  209. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="185524"][quote]But, IMO that would make Claire’s A an O6. Aaron would not “slip” through because at the least, Claire’s mom knows she was pregnant. If part of the “story” being told to the outside world is Kate decided to adopt a surviving baby…then the baby is an O6 in priciple.[/quote]

    I don’t think this is true at all. Names on the manifest are going to be the O6. Aaron is probably not going to get a part of the settlement dollars like the rest do, unless there’s some story line about Claire dying in childbirth and he surviving her blah blah blah. 8 survived the initial crash and of those 8 survivors (aaron’s not born yet remember) 6 got off the island which means 2 die (again aaron may not be born yet according to this fictitious storyline). The two ideas aren’t mutually exclusive. Aaron may be an O6er or may not be. There is nothing absolute about your opinion.

    Sorry about screwing up the quoting![/quote]
    Even though I was gonna concede for now…

    You have contradicted yourself. “Names on the manifest are going to be the O6.” and “Aaron may be an O6er or may not be.” Can’t be both.

    Have we been told that O6ers are only O6ers because they got settlements? Maybe they are called O6ers because the part of the lore.

    Are you suggesting that the outside world doesn’t know where the adopted baby came from? Are you suggesting that the outside world thinks Kate birthed Aaron?

    I’m just keeping with my old habits here that it IS still plausible that Kate had a baby an named him Aaron until it either confirmed otherwise in the show or by the producers.

  210. lost storm says:

    did anyone notice the pics on the wall in aaron’s room at the end? there’s a painting of a boy on a bicycle. i’ve been (obsessively) getting lost with all the additional lost material available, and this painting reminds me of one of the last shots on the dharma orchid video (cf youtube): the dharma footage deteriorates enough that you see an older upside down image (parallel universe?) of someone riding a bicycle in otherton.

    neither here nor there. just lost

  211. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="185537"]Comment to 119 (and new to Lost blogging)
    My friend and I think that Aaron might be Kate’s son from the rape by her step-father. That explains Kate’s attitude toward her mom seeing the baby. It also explains why she doesn’t want her son brought into the court room situation. She would have to testify to the fact the she became pregnant by her step-father. That would be another reason to want to kill him. We’re not sure if this fits in the the time line of the story, but thought it was an interesting storyline. Jack not wanting to see the child could be because she lied to him on the island by never telling him about the child and he resents her lack of trust.[/quote]
    I like the possibility…putting it in my back pocket.

  212. Rachel says:

    [quote comment="185255"][quote comment="185254"]I just remembered. At the end of Season 3 Kate tells Jack she has to go home back to him “because you know how he gets.” Jack must have had contact with Aaron.[/quote]

    Maybe something is wrong with Aaron. I hope not, that would just be WRONG![/quote]
    Maybe once Aaron got off the slow-time island and made his transition into real-time USA, his genes got all messed up and he developed Downs Syndrome (or some other condition).

  213. dukewm says:

    The O6 would HAVE to have been on 815.

    Claire only had to occupy 1 seat and have 1 ticket so I’m NOT couting Aaron.

    Don’t forget about Michael & Walt

  214. maria says:

    Ben couldn’t be the sixth survivor, because he was never on the flight. And if he’s this rich, powerful man of mystery, he can come and go from the island as he pleases.
    As to him having millions, it makes sense. Look at the houses on the island. How do they manage to have electricity, running water, the latest in kitchen appliances and things…it would take someone incredibly wealthy. We’re not done with Ben’s flashbacks, so something must have happened while he grew up that would explain it all.
    I believe the baby is Aron. Kate is a criminal at heart, and my first thought was that she took him. But maybe something happens to Claire, or taking him off the island is the best thing for him.

  215. Julie says:

    also.. just thought of something…
    they wanted character witnesses for kate. well…. taking over the mothering responsibilities for another place crash victim would be a GREAT character trait. if kate had made it known that she had ‘adopted’ aaron from claire she would have gotten major brownie points.
    this was obviously NOT said… so i still think that she just claimed aaron as her own.

  216. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="185420"]Aaron looks to be about 2 1/2- 3 (based on chubby cheeks, hand size, youth bed, not crib) HOWEVER, many times kid actors are not the correct age…)
    Kate goes to see her sick mom in the hospital and THEN goes to australia, works for a while and then gets caught, taken to island, etc. Therefore, g’ma’s four years is not the same as the age of Aaron.
    I agree with the short-term memory loss of Daniel except that people truly with that disorder can hardly function….can’t remember what they are about to do, people’s names, etc. He obviously has suffered some type of disability…maybe it has to do with his experiments (like he got hit by his own rocket or something).
    So we know that Jack loves Kate, she loves him…
    the “last eggs” has got to be significant
    YES, I believe it is Sun and Jin who get off…(so if claire dies, who else “dies”)? I think the six go to a different island where they are rescued and brought back…otherwise the rescuers would have found lots of buried bodies on their island. We know that Sayid has to regroup with jack and kate….I bet the helo takes them somewhere else and THEN they are found.
    Any clues about the trailer? It was way too fast and my DVR cut off about half of it…[/quote]
    Why would the rescurere did up the beach? Burried bodies usually stay that way unless you are looking for them.

  217. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="185553"]so i still think that she just claimed aaron as her own.[/quote]
    This is the first plausible reason Jack wouldn’t “accept” Kate’s baby…if she stole him…which doesn’t make sense. Why would she steal Aaron?

  218. Marcus b says:

    Does anybody else recall the opening scene from the Season 3 last episode. We see a flashforward of Jack, with a full beard on a plane drunk and reading a newspaper article. Before they focus in on that I swear I saw Sun (and possibly Jin) 3 or 4 rows behind and to the left of Jack on that same plane. I think Sun is the last 06er.
    Any thoughts?

  219. lvham says:

    I pretty much read everything on this week’s blog but wonder why nobody brings up why Kate would want to leave the island if she’s “wanted”… unless this came up on other episodes. My thoughts are that she lied to Sawyer about not being pregnant and had to leave to save her life. Don’t women who get pregnant on the island die? The fact that baby’s name is Aaron is confusing though. Either it’s Claire’s or she named her baby after Aaron.

  220. Tim says:

    Miles should have spit the grenade out immediately and watch Locke go scrambling to get it.

  221. Lost Addict says:

    [quote comment="185241"]kate has a REALLY nice house for a person on trial for murder, arsenic, robbery, grand theft auto, and like 20 other things i don’t remember.
    [/quote]

    Thanks for pointing out. I thought the same thing about the house, nanny/housekeeper, her “look” which may all end up being important as things are determined.

  222. Tim says:

    people who sent Miles and Co have different agendas or are potentially loyal to different groups. Regina did not know about helicopter, and this could not have been a miscommunication between her and Malinowski, you just don’t miscommunicate when it comes to an important mission. So i think they may be seemingly working for the ’same boss’ but have different agendas and loyalties…

    She knew about the helicopter, she just thought it was still on the island. Who told the freighter that they were coming back?
    If someone told the freighter people that they were leaving and Malinowski is not answering his phone, maybe he is unavailable….

  223. Kevin says:

    My wife thinks the guy with the gernade in his mouth is the son of the guy who is the narrator in the old Dharma videos.

  224. GT says:

    Kate’s post-island custody of Aaron raises some really interesting possibilities about the circumstances of their “rescue.” Was Aaron removed from the island because he is special? Was he “chosen” to leave the island by whoever orchestrated this huge lie? Did Claire choose to send him away from the island to keep him safe? Did Kate hide Aaron and smuggle him out to free him from the fate of those left behind?

    What we do know is that the people left on the island are not there living a Utopian life. Charlie tells Hurley, “They need you,” and Ben refers to Sayid “helping his friends.” Jack’s desire to go back and Abbadon’s question, “Are they still alive?” may also refer to the other Losties being left to an unpleasant fate.

  225. Michael Lewis says:

    I’m surprised that no one seems to talking about Jack’s testimony at Kate’s trial (and their related discussion while she was getting in the cab). Didn’t he say that only 8 people survived the plane crash onto the island? That has be the false story that he agreed to say as part of the settlement with Oceanic Airlines. The airline must want to cover up the death of the other passengers, or maybe the island’s existence.

    So, is Oceanic Airlines the primary “bad guys”? Or, are just part of a much larger conspiracy?

    If so, who is in charge? Penny’s father? Jack’s father?

    Is Sayid, under Ben’s instruction, killing off the board of Oceanic Airlines?

    How is the airline related to the Dharma initiative? The team of scientists and psychics obviously are related to Dharma.

    There seems to be 2 warring factions: the Airline/ Dharma vs. Ben. Is one group led by by Penny’s father and the other by Jack’s father (in Jacob’s cabin)?

    Questions, questions, and more questions!!!!

  226. Tim says:

    Kate doesn’t want her mother to see “her grandson”. Is this partly because it isn’t really her child.
    This implies that everyone thinks that it is actually Kate’s biological child, not an adopted child, I would think.

  227. RR says:

    One of the things that I kept wondering about was why the DA insisted on Kate staying in the state for 10 years. Is this normal with probation? Kate’s lawyer seemed okay with the probation, but not with the 10 year in state restriction. Maybe the DA was working with Naomi & Else’s boss and by requiring Kate to stay in the state she ensures that Kate cannot help Ben and cannot return to the island??? Thoughts?

  228. Tim says:

    This ship may not actually be there to rescue them. Maybe this is just another piece of false hope.
    Maybe they get off the island in an entirely different way.

  229. cel says:

    I don’t think Kate is talking about Aaron when she says to Jack “you know how he gets”… he is just a little kid, and she’s not the kind of girl that would let be manipulated by a kid just in order to avoid a confrontation…

    unless, Aaron is a “special” kid and has like this extrahuman habilities and since his little he cannot control them. Kind of like when Walt was little, he could make things happen…

  230. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="185555"][quote comment="185553"]so i still think that she just claimed aaron as her own.[/quote]
    This is the first plausible reason Jack wouldn’t “accept” Kate’s baby…if she stole him…which doesn’t make sense. Why would she steal Aaron?[/quote]
    I might have answered my own question…Since Kate is told by Locke that she has to leave and she now knows freighter tot’s objective AND Claire still stays with Locke because of Charlie…Kate my decide that Aaron needs a fighting chance and takes him?

  231. gb says:

    what makes everyone so sure claire is NOT one of the O6?

  232. Rita says:

    Wow, what an episode! I know some of you were unimpressed but not me. I’m in it for all I can get! Some thoughts:
    *Jack told the court that they crashed in the south pacific: the location of the “found plane”, not necessarily where they really crashed. They wouldn’t go looking for bodies (someone suggested they would “dig up the beach”) because they would believe they already HAVE the bodies.
    *Kate is/was pregnant. She is desperate to find out what is known about her (what is still in the news) so she would know if it was safe for her to leave (and not die as all preg women seem to do). That’s why she went to the trouble of getting Miles and Ben together, so she could get the info from Miles.
    *Clair is alive. Charlie told Hurley “They need you”, I believe meaning Clair and Aaron, because that was who he died to try to save.
    *Aaron is Clair’s baby, but not an O6er. Jack described the crash scene (even if he meant a second crash, the people would believe he meant the first) by saying that Kate saved the first 6 (which would be 5 others and herself) and tried to save the other two but….(he shook his head no). If Aaron had been born at that time, he would have been on the manifest. He wasn’t. He wasn’t one of the ones who needed to be saved at that time.
    *Kate’s mom said some version of “It’s been 4 years since I thought you were dead”, meaning since the crash.
    *If Aaron’s age looks wrong for being Kate’s born on the island, maybe because he was born on “island time”, his growth is affected. Kate wants to protect him from the inevitable research etc. that would follow.
    *Kate couldn’t just keep Aaron/adopt him. If it is known that he was “adopted”, Clair’s family would want to claim him. Yes her mom was in a coma last we saw, but her aunt would want him for sure, especially if she thought he was all that was left of Clair.
    *Kate is desperate to “stay put”, as evidenced by her jumping on the offer of 10 years probation and an inability to leave the state, even though her lawyer seemed likely to get a better deal. She may not want to have to give Aaron back to Clair now that she feels all maternal and is happy at the thought of being unable to go ANYWHERE let alone back to the island.
    *Ben told Locke way back when that he is special because he was born on the island – he implied that that was why the others followed him (of course, he lied), but Aaron REALLY WAS born on the island and would therefore, REALLY BE “special”. We’ll have to wait and see how.
    Whew! That was a lot. Any thoughts?

  233. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="185539"]Great posts by many of you. Not so great from other posters. [/quote]

    I agree, I sometimes wonder if everyone is watching the same show.

  234. Julie says:

    [quote comment="185555"][quote comment="185553"]so i still think that she just claimed aaron as her own.[/quote]
    This is the first plausible reason Jack wouldn’t “accept” Kate’s baby…if she stole him…which doesn’t make sense. Why would she steal Aaron?[/quote]

    No I dont think that she STOLE him. I think that when they were rescued something had already happened to Claire (Or the ppl doing the rescuing would be privy) and Kate just said “oh he’s mine I had him on the island”.

  235. gb says:

    oh yeah, and just b/c they are called the O6 doesnt mean they are the only ones that get off the island – ben obviously has the power to come and go as he pleases – seems he could get anyone on and off (ie lockes dad)

  236. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="185571"]what makes everyone so sure claire is NOT one of the O6?[/quote]
    No one is sure, it is assumed because they are assuming that Kate’s baby is Claire’s baby and why would Kate have Claire’s baby if Claire is home and an O6er?

  237. Julie says:

    Also, everyone is asking “well wouldn’t claires mother and boyfriend want custody of aaron?” ofcourse they would. this is also why i believe that kate claims arron as her own.
    If her mother and ex boyfriend think she died during the crash while she was pregnant, there would no child to want custody of.
    I dont care who you are. if there is a child who has grandparents and a father who want them no one is going to adopt that child out.

  238. gb says:

    Hammer:
    why would Kate have Claire’s baby if Claire is home and an O6er?

    well, yeah, why would there be some island with magnetic and healing forces in the middle of the ocean with a whole tribe of people who cant stay pregnant that are listening to some ghost as to what to do and running away from smoke monsters…..

  239. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="185580"]Hammer:
    why would Kate have Claire’s baby if Claire is home and an O6er?

    well, yeah, why would there be some island with magnetic and healing forces in the middle of the ocean with a whole tribe of people who cant stay pregnant that are listening to some ghost as to what to do and running away from smoke monsters…..[/quote]
    Gee…good point. Maybe you should get your answers from a spoiler site.

  240. dawn says:

    could aaron be a child kate had before the plane crashed and some one off the island has been raizing him mybe kate asked claire to name her baby aaron after the child she may have left behind
    i also think that michael is the mole on the freaighter

  241. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="185578"]Also, everyone is asking “well wouldn’t claires mother and boyfriend want custody of aaron?” ofcourse they would. this is also why i believe that kate claims arron as her own.
    If her mother and ex boyfriend think she died during the crash while she was pregnant, there would no child to want custody of.
    I dont care who you are. if there is a child who has grandparents and a father who want them no one is going to adopt that child out.[/quote]
    I tend to agree with that, I really don’t think she would be able to adopt a baby while she’s a fugitive.
    So it’s either she took the baby and it’s they lied that the baby is hers or it’s Kate’s baby then …right?

  242. deangoodes says:

    Many posters are lumping in Oceanic Airlines with Dharma or other groups. I don’t think Oceanic had anything to do with the island or any other groups, certainly not until after 815 crashed-the crash was clearly an ACCIDENT caused by the magnetic field being released due to the late pushing of the buttons by Kelvin/Desmond. After the crash, one of the powerful groups may have manipulated Oceanic into going along with whatever lies are being told to cover up the island. But originally, Oceanic seemed to be a company on the up and up.

  243. Rita says:

    [quote comment="185583"][quote comment="185578"]Also, everyone is asking “well wouldn’t claires mother and boyfriend want custody of aaron?” ofcourse they would. this is also why i believe that kate claims arron as her own.
    If her mother and ex boyfriend think she died during the crash while she was pregnant, there would no child to want custody of.
    I dont care who you are. if there is a child who has grandparents and a father who want them no one is going to adopt that child out.[/quote]
    I tend to agree with that, I really don’t think she would be able to adopt a baby while she’s a fugitive.
    So it’s either she took the baby and it’s they lied that the baby is hers or it’s Kate’s baby then …right?[/quote]
    Yes, and though I still believe Kate is/was pregnant, this is Claire’s baby.

  244. Tess Neovious says:

    Clearly Kate’s Aaron (I heard Eric, but I’ll go with Aaron) was either Kate’s child or she pretended he was her biological child. No court would uphold a person of Kate’s background as a guardian/parent of the child. And since if he was born to a survivor of the crash, he would presumably have a settlement in his own right; many people would contend to become his guardian. His biological father would have first rights, then his and Claire’s relatives.

  245. gb says:

    [quote comment="185583"][quote comment="185578"]Also, everyone is asking “well wouldn’t claires mother and boyfriend want custody of aaron?” ofcourse they would. this is also why i believe that kate claims arron as her own.
    If her mother and ex boyfriend think she died during the crash while she was pregnant, there would no child to want custody of.
    I dont care who you are. if there is a child who has grandparents and a father who want them no one is going to adopt that child out.[/quote]
    I tend to agree with that, I really don’t think she would be able to adopt a baby while she’s a fugitive.
    So it’s either she took the baby and it’s they lied that the baby is hers or it’s Kate’s baby then …right?[/quote]

    or, claire is part of the O6 and something happens to her OFF THE ISLAND that leads her to legally have kate adopt her baby

  246. Hammer says:

    I noticed a possible contradiction. When on the stand, Jack said the plan crashed landed on an island in the South Pacific. But the news reports we saw said the plane was intact in a trench on the ocean floor. What’s up?

  247. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="185589"]or, claire is part of the O6 and something happens to her OFF THE ISLAND that leads her to legally have kate adopt her baby[/quote]
    Nah, as stated by others, family would get first rights and Kate has the baby at home while awaiting trial.

  248. Rita says:

    [quote comment="185591"][quote comment="185589"]or, claire is part of the O6 and something happens to her OFF THE ISLAND that leads her to legally have kate adopt her baby[/quote]
    Nah, as stated by others, family would get first rights and Kate has the baby at home while awaiting trial.[/quote]
    OR…Kate did if fact “take” Claire’s baby and claim it as her own, which is what I believe.

  249. PJSander says:

    Will (I think this is the owner of the blog),

    I have a thought regarding the various theories that keep surfacing (coffin, “man on the boat,” Aaron’s biology, who is part of the O6): perhaps you could put up a series of POLLS, so that people can CLICK on their theories rather than continue to post about them?

    Except for posts responding to questions about events that took place on the air, in front of the cameras, all of the posts are THEORIES, right? (And if they are not – if someone is getting spoilers from somewhere, they ought not be here, right?) I love the discussions about why THIS theory makes sense, or the reasons behind THAT theory, but when in less than fifteen hours after the east coast airing of the episode, there are already 240+ comments, we all KNOW that most people (who didn’t start reading as soon as the show was over) aren’t going to even TRY to read all the posts before they comment! A series of polls might give those who just want to share that they agree with one of the theories already provided, a chance to do so without clogging up the boards.

    Just a suggestion, do with it as you please *g*.

    : ) P

  250. hood55 says:

    hi everyone,
    do you think that sawyer is one of the 6 people!!!!!!!

  251. frank says:

    first time poster – long time watcher
    question – in one of the previous “review” episodes, I thought there were forty-some survivors of Oceanic Flt 815. Why is everyone saying 8 survivors?
    I think that’s what Jack said on the stand – and it’s a lie.
    so the real question is – what happened to the other 40-some survivors?

  252. Rita says:

    PJSander: I read EVERY SINGLE POST before posting myself (and ended up with a first post of #232) and I believe that most people do read them all. Some obviously don’t, but the whole thing is suppose to be fun. Rule number one instructs posters to read everything first and to avoid repeats, but sometimes a second/third/fourth discussion HAS TO take place. If a comment sounds like someone didn’t read first, lets try to ignore it and remember that that blogger is trying to have fun with this too.

  253. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="185590"]I noticed a possible contradiction. When on the stand, Jack said the plan crashed landed on an island in the South Pacific. But the news reports we saw said the plane was intact in a trench on the ocean floor. What’s up?[/quote]
    Not only that, but the “Sunda Trench” is technically in the Indian Ocean, I believe, not the Pacific. How does that get explained?

  254. GT says:

    One thing has been bothering me: During cross examination, the prosecutor asks Jack, “Do you love the defendant?” Jack says, “No, not anymore,” almost as though the public had a reason to believe that he DID love her at some point. Maybe part of the cover story is that Jack got Kate pregnant on the island? This would have been a way to further conceal Aaron’s identity, and it would explain why Kate wants Jack to visit Aaron–to keep up the charade.

    Here’s a thought: What if Claire IS one of the Oceanic 6, but she wants to conceal Aaron’s identity to keep him safe? Maybe Claire and Aaron both escaped, but she has asked Kate to pretend he is her biological son. The O6 may have been stranded on the island for months (or even years, depending on the time discrepancy) before being rescued, so there may have been plenty of time for Kate to get pregnant and give birth. If Claire pretends she lost her baby, maybe nobody will come looking for Aaron.

  255. Lost Addict says:

    [quote comment="185596"]Will (I think this is the owner of the blog),

    I have a thought regarding the various theories that keep surfacing (coffin, “man on the boat,” Aaron’s biology, who is part of the O6): perhaps you could put up a series of POLLS, so that people can CLICK on their theories rather than continue to post about them?

    Except for posts responding to questions about events that took place on the air, in front of the cameras, all of the posts are THEORIES, right?
    : ) P[/quote]

    This is an excellent suggestion and would perhaps cut down on a lot of the repitiveness. Everyone is entitled to post but I think there is so much of the same thing, b/c ppl DON’T have time to go through 200+ comments in less than 24 hrs, but next Thurs, there will be over 500 for sure. Just support on the suggestion.

  256. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="185599"]PJSander: I read EVERY SINGLE POST before posting myself (and ended up with a first post of #232) and I believe that most people do read them all. [/quote]

    I know that MANY do, of course! This wasn’t meant as a complaint, and I am sorry if it seemed that way. I was just thinking it would be a way to provide some people with an outlet.

    [quote comment="185599"]Some obviously don’t, but the whole thing is suppose to be fun. Rule number one instructs posters to read everything first and to avoid repeats, but sometimes a second/third/fourth discussion HAS TO take place. If a comment sounds like someone didn’t read first, lets try to ignore it and remember that that blogger is trying to have fun with this too.[/quote]

    Again, I apologize if it sounded like I was complaining. I just wanted to ADD to the forum, not say there was something wrong with it!

    : ) P

  257. Kelly says:

    [quote comment="185167"][quote comment="185164"]It worries me to see Aaron being raised by Kate considering the physic’s warnings in season 1 that “great danger surrounds this child” if it is raised by anyone but Claire.

    Kate’s mom said that everything changed when she thought Kate was dead and that her doctors had been giving her 6 months to live for the last 4 years… so does that mean it has been 4 years since the plane crash?

    I have a theory about who’s in the coffin, but I guess I should post it under that episode.[/quote]
    Possibly Claire in the coffin? Or Kate’s mom? I am curious now![/quote]

    What coffin? I must have missed something.

  258. Lost Addict says:

    [quote comment="185601"]One thing has been bothering me: During cross examination, the prosecutor asks Jack, “Do you love the defendant?” Jack says, “No, not anymore,” almost as though the public had a reason to believe that he DID love her at some point. quote]

    I thought the same thing of why would the prosecutor know to ask this….

  259. Paul says:

    Maybe when Etahn kidnapped Claire and took samples he use those samples to impregnate Kate. Remember when Kate was at breakfast with Ben he siad “the next few days are going to be very unpleasant”. He needed Kate to preform fertility tests and need someone who got pregnant off the island(Claire) to get the samples. And then when Kate saw Jack in the Hydra she broke down when he asked what they did to her. So a piece of Kate’s baby, (who got pregnant on the island by injection from samples from Claire but apparantly gave birth off the island, is actually Aaron.

  260. stormclouds13 says:

    So now that we know about the time differential (31 minutes from the rocket, Dharma polar bear fossil, the Orchid video with rabbit #15, etc), this brings up some interesting new theories. When Desmond turned the fail-safe key, he traveled back in time to the point when he was meeting with Penny’s dad, right? So maybe Widmore somehow knew at that point what was going on and could tell that Desmond was having memories from the island. He could’ve then set everything in motion with the boat race.

    This could explain why Naomi has Desmond’s picture of Penny and also why Naomi asked Abbadon about finding 815 survivors. Somehow they all know some of the secrets of the island. Penny has discovered some of these things through her father and/or her father’s employees and now has her own team looking for the same things. How else would she know what frequency to be on when Charlie broke through?

  261. Rita says:

    [quote comment="185601"]One thing has been bothering me: During cross examination, the prosecutor asks Jack, “Do you love the defendant?” Jack says, “No, not anymore,” almost as though the public had a reason to believe that he DID love her at some point. Maybe part of the cover story is that Jack got Kate pregnant on the island? This would have been a way to further conceal Aaron’s identity, and it would explain why Kate wants Jack to visit Aaron–to keep up the charade.

    Here’s a thought: What if Claire IS one of the Oceanic 6, but she wants to conceal Aaron’s identity to keep him safe? Maybe Claire and Aaron both escaped, but she has asked Kate to pretend he is her biological son. The O6 may have been stranded on the island for months (or even years, depending on the time discrepancy) before being rescued, so there may have been plenty of time for Kate to get pregnant and give birth. If Claire pretends she lost her baby, maybe nobody will come looking for Aaron.[/quote]
    Very interesting……But Kate seemed to genuinely love Aaron, and it wouldn’t be necessary for Jack to see Aaron in order to meet Kate for coffee if only to keep up a charade. As for Claire being off island (there WAS Desmond’s vision afterall), it would be interesting if she was an O6, but why hide Aaron and from whom? Either way, born on island to Kate or to Claire, he would be “special”. Kate seems to be hiding him herself.

  262. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="185599"]PJSander: I read EVERY SINGLE POST before posting myself (and ended up with a first post of #232) and I believe that most people do read them all. Some obviously don’t, but the whole thing is suppose to be fun. Rule number one instructs posters to read everything first and to avoid repeats, but sometimes a second/third/fourth discussion HAS TO take place. If a comment sounds like someone didn’t read first, lets try to ignore it and remember that that blogger is trying to have fun with this too.[/quote]
    Agreed.

  263. dara says:

    I think the comments about Kate being able to adopt a baby while being a fugitive are valid. I completely believe that the baby is Claire’s Aaron, Kate was never pregnant and that Arron is less than 4 years old.
    We do not have an accurate timeline (to the date I mean)of how long Kate and her mom have been estranged (the actual date Kate killed her “father”)how long Kate has been on the run and all Kates mom said was they have told me 4x I have 6 months to live. That does not mean AAron is 4 just her time is overdue and she wants to see him.
    So how did fugititve Kate get Arron in the trial Jack confirms that kate was restrained and being led by a US marshal. If Claire dies, Kate just gets to keep him because she was there? Aaron has family in Oz, Kate cant claim he is hers..was he hand cuffed on the plane too?
    Jack is reluctant to see Aaron because he has now found out that Claire is his sister and A. she is dead and he couldnt fix that or B. she is still on the island and he regretts their lie.
    Lastly what did that fat bearded guy outside the court house yell at Kate???

  264. yogamom says:

    Aaron, Ben, and Desmond are not part of the 06 as they were not in the manifest

    The left side of big Aaron’s face was definitely concealed from the camera. I thought the lawyer wanted to bring him into court for sympathy… maybe some visible problem with him?

    If Kate is claiming Aaron is her’s and born on the island, then they are on the island for a lot longer than 100 days because I can’t see a 5 plus month pregnant woman rescuing and tending to 5 other people and then almost starving.

    I think whatever we are all missing in how Kate has Aaron and why Jack won’t visit is connected; the writers don’t want us to get it yet.

    I think Danny and Miles are going to have major roles coming up… I love them both.

  265. Laura* says:

    Lostlaur*… i now know how you feel… someone stole my name too! I am going to go with your idea an add a little star (sorry to copy) but I hate being quoted for stuff I didn’t say!

    I think it was a great point that everyone “returned” to who they were before the crash. I feel like this is the ‘ultimate’ reason why they have to go back to the island, in terms of the storyline. We have been watching this show for four season and seen the characters progress, in a way in which the “public” has not seen, so when they return home they are forced back into the same lives that they left.

    I also found the 3.2 million dollars to be interesting. The code idea is interesting… I mean honestly if Ben is mixed up with Widmore or some other giant group (that it has been speculated) then 3.2 million dollars doesn’t seem like it would be very much at all. Especially when you consider the (presumed) difficulty that Miles has had to go to be here.

    And then he said he’d “take care” of Charlotte.

    I loved the episode, I am leaning a bit toward Kate hiding Aaron (Claire’s) because the police would definitely know that he was not hers (they have pictures of here where she is distinctly not 8 months pregnant). The longer she keeps him hidden the easier it would be to hide…

    - Laura* (the physics one!)

  266. nakira says:

    Omg I tried reading all these comments, but still am going to go back and forth on the Aaron topic since there’s points that haven’t been made.

    For Kate getting preggo with baby Aaron: Back several episodes ago, Kate was freaked out she could have been pregnant with the cop husband she had. On the island she has seen Claire with the baby and Claire admits its something she never saw herself doing either which possibly validated Kate’s feelings of if she would be a good mom or not. And Kate looks at the baby awkwardly while he’s in the basket like “wow, I could have one soon” or yearning to have one if she knows she’s preggo. Plus just because she didn’t put out for Sawyer doesn’t mean her monthly cycle is there. (Plus she probably wouldn’t be there if she was on it anyways, unless they had Dharma products in the bathroon – J/K)I think her being with Sawyer was more about her feeling a nonsexual connection to Sawyer and then when she heard his reactions to parenthood that confirmed that it was a bad situation and she had wanted to hear something else like maybe he could “play house” as was said in previous episode. This probably made her upset and enforced her desire to go to the beach -plus getting kicked out by Locke. I didn’t know why she slapped Sawyer it was true what he said, and that hurt her. Kate annoys me alot. Plus why would Claire give Kate her baby if she is dying since Kate is going back to the beach to leave and obviously Claire wants to stay on the island with Locke. Claire knows how Kate was a wanted fugitive and can probably guess how Kate’s going to be received in the real world and locked up – not the best situation for an adoptive mom. Hurley might be a better adoptive parent, so sweet. Why does it have to be a woman? Plus Jack’s reaction to the baby would make sense.

    Kate adopting Aaron – Jack’s reaction would also make sense if something tragic happens to Claire via Jack’s rescuer complex thing. The baby’s age would be appropriate too. I don’t think Kate has an older son as a commenter eluded to since when she came to home she would ask the nanny about both kids, “they” vs “he”. Kate I think could be capable of being a mom as like you learn along the way and it comes with time. Plus why would Kate name the baby after another baby, that would be just too hard.

    also i thought Kate was being a little naive like Miles didn’t know who she was. Duh, he said he knew Ben so they know who is there. It was selfish to go take miles to ben but helped the viewers. This would a reason for her not to leave since she would have to go to trial. why does she leave then?

  267. tina says:

    [quote comment="185542"][quote comment="185524"][quote]But, IMO that would make Claire’s A an O6. Aaron would not “slip” through because at the least, Claire’s mom knows she was pregnant. If part of the “story” being told to the outside world is Kate decided to adopt a surviving baby…then the baby is an O6 in priciple.[/quote]

    I don’t think this is true at all. Names on the manifest are going to be the O6. Aaron is probably not going to get a part of the settlement dollars like the rest do, unless there’s some story line about Claire dying in childbirth and he surviving her blah blah blah. 8 survived the initial crash and of those 8 survivors (aaron’s not born yet remember) 6 got off the island which means 2 die (again aaron may not be born yet according to this fictitious storyline). The two ideas aren’t mutually exclusive. Aaron may be an O6er or may not be. There is nothing absolute about your opinion.

    Sorry about screwing up the quoting![/quote]
    Even though I was gonna concede for now…

    You have contradicted yourself. “Names on the manifest are going to be the O6.” and “Aaron may be an O6er or may not be.” Can’t be both.

    Have we been told that O6ers are only O6ers because they got settlements? Maybe they are called O6ers because the part of the lore.

    Are you suggesting that the outside world doesn’t know where the adopted baby came from? Are you suggesting that the outside world thinks Kate birthed Aaron?

    I’m just keeping with my old habits here that it IS still plausible that Kate had a baby an named him Aaron until it either confirmed otherwise in the show or by the producers.[/quote]
    My point was that we don’t know how the public at large is determining who is an O6er and who isn’t. As far as settlements go, I’m assuming that all the survivers, whoever they are considered to be by Oceanice & the public will recieve some kind of settlement from the airline (and whoever is manipulating them into lying)

    I don’t actually care who is or isn’t a O5er to be honest Hammer.

    I just rewatched the episode (thank God for snow days!) and was caught off guard by how deep the lie that Jack told was. He said he was injured and Kate saved everyone implying that he couldn’t save them himself. He also says he never spoke to the Marshall who died in the crash. Clearly, someone has massaged this story to paint Kate in a VERY positive light. My guess is Ben. I can’t get past that beachy breakfast chat. Something significant occured between him & Kate that hasn’t been revealed to us yet that is going to help us understand the following:

    1. Why Kate has the baby
    2. More details of the rescue story
    3. What happened to everyone who didn’t “survive” i.e. who’s still on the island.

  268. gb says:

    [quote comment="185591"][quote comment="185589"]or, claire is part of the O6 and something happens to her OFF THE ISLAND that leads her to legally have kate adopt her baby[/quote]
    Nah, as stated by others, family would get first rights and Kate has the baby at home while awaiting trial.[/quote]
    not if its arranged between kate and claire

  269. ForeverLost says:

    [quote comment="185601"]One thing has been bothering me: During cross examination, the prosecutor asks Jack, “Do you love the defendant?” Jack says, “No, not anymore,” almost as though the public had a reason to believe that he DID love her at some point. Maybe part of the cover story is that Jack got Kate pregnant on the island? This would have been a way to further conceal Aaron’s identity, and it would explain why Kate wants Jack to visit Aaron–to keep up the charade.

    Here’s a thought: What if Claire IS one of the Oceanic 6, but she wants to conceal Aaron’s identity to keep him safe? Maybe Claire and Aaron both escaped, but she has asked Kate to pretend he is her biological son. The O6 may have been stranded on the island for months (or even years, depending on the time discrepancy) before being rescued, so there may have been plenty of time for Kate to get pregnant and give birth. If Claire pretends she lost her baby, maybe nobody will come looking for Aaron.[/quote]

    I think you may be onto something.

  270. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="185612"]I am leaning a bit toward Kate hiding Aaron (Claire’s) because the police would definitely know that he was not hers (they have pictures of here where she is distinctly not 8 months pregnant). The longer she keeps him hidden the easier it would be to hide…

    - Laura* (the physics one!)[/quote]
    What do you mean by hiding Aaron. The courts know she has a son. Do you mean hiding him from view or hiding that she has a son?

  271. Tina says:

    GT: I think you may be onto something as well as far as concealing Aaron’s identity goes. I just don’t know that I believe Claire gets off the island. After all the nonsense surrounding Charlie’s death & Desmond’s visions, I think that D&C are just spiteful enough to kill her off.

  272. stormclouds13 says:

    Another thought on Claire: when Ethan kidnapped her, he gave her some sort of implant that caused her to get sick so Juliet could come along and look like the hero by curing her with some sort of shot. Perhaps the implant keeps her from leaving the island?

  273. Val says:

    My take…
    claire dies. Family does not want baby (Claire was giving up baby anyway when she was traveling to the States)
    The Oceanic 6 so far are Jack, Hurley, Kate, and Sayid. Maybe Sawyer will be another?
    Ben is not considered a survivor.
    There is no way that Locke will leave the island. He must protect it. If he dies, he’s the one in the coffin.
    Jin and Sun are not part of the Oceanic 6 because they move to Korea.
    Desmond and Juliet may live too…

  274. Hammer says:

    Just a thought about Claire hiding Aaron. If the people looking for Aaron are as powerful as we think, having Kate hold on to him is no safer than Claire having him. These people know everything about everyone involved and would know that Kate never gave birth or would certainly check into Kate’s baby either way.

  275. Dany says:

    One thought on the coffin theory:

    I doubt one of the 06 is in the coffin (therefore no sayid in there!), one of the 06 dying would definitely make news and there should be a tv coverage or journalists around the chapel covering the story… But, he should be someone very important to the story.. so I am thinking Ben, Locke (assuming he’s not 06) or DESMOND!!!

  276. Meg says:

    [quote comment="185621"]
    Jin and Sun are not part of the Oceanic 6 because they move to Korea.
    Desmond and Juliet may live too…[/quote]
    Sun and Jin could still be part of the O6. It doesn’t matter where they live, just that they survived the crash. Sayid doesn’t live in California. Or at least it doesn’t seem like that. He travels the world killing people on Bens list.

  277. dawn says:

    could aaron be a child kate had before the plane crashed and that why he is older and some one off the island has been raizing him for her mybe kate asked claire to name her baby aaron after the child she may have left behind i dont see why jack would not want to see the baby makes no sence but what does on this show
    i also think that michael is the mole on the freaighter this is a deal he made with ben to get off the island
    were all of thr others killed i cant remember and what about the children from season 1 that were kidnapped what ever happend to them no one ever talked about them any more or even mentioned tem

  278. SuzySchool says:

    I think Kate has two kids…Aaron is from Claire (I’m guessing she died or something happened to her to give up Aaron) and Kate has a baby with Sawyer. Kate seemed to be playing mind games with Sawyer in the morning. I think she is pregnant, knows it and was trying to see if he would really welcome a child or not. She got her answer, NOT! Which is why she turned so cold and left. I believe that is the baby that Kate is referring to when talking to Jack after court….the baby she had with Sawyer, which would hurt Jack, since he loves her.

  279. Tina says:

    [quote comment="185622"]Just a thought about Claire hiding Aaron. If the people looking for Aaron are as powerful as we think, having Kate hold on to him is no safer than Claire having him. These people know everything about everyone involved and would know that Kate never gave birth or would certainly check into Kate’s baby either way.[/quote]

    Maybe that’s not the point though. Maybe she’s hiding him in plain sight with regards to whoever is looking for him. I don’t know that Kate having Claaron (Claire’s aaron vs. Kataaron kate’s aaron) is safe. I think its exactly the opposite. Something’s up with that kid and until now Claire’s got him and things are under control, but once he’s in someone else’s hands, who knows. Maybe he’ll start killing birds too.

  280. lostaddict says:

    Didn’t the preview/commercial for this episode (Eggtown) say that another O6er would be revealed? If that’s true than it would have to be Aaron, right? —Even if you want to argue that he wasn’t originally on the manifold it would seem that the writers/producers still consider him one of the O6. There was no other O6er revealed on this episode.

    I believe Kate’s Aaron is indeed Claire’s Aaron. If this is true the question then remains does the outside world believe he is Kate’s biological child or know the truth about his true identity? If there really is a time difference between island time and real time then Aaron’s age would be slightly off and that would be why no one in the outside world is questioning if this baby is the same one Claire was pregnant with on the plane. Kate could have claimed she was just barely pregnant when she boarded the plane and gave birth to a baby later.

    Or the outside world might know the truth about Aaron’s identity and no one is challenging Kate’s adoption since the Aaron’s father didn’t want a baby anyway and maybe Claire’s mother is still in a coma or even dead. Also maybe Claire somehow clearly made her wishes known (in writing, through witnesses – the other O6ers, or she is the 6th O6er and she made her wishes known in person before she died or whatever happened to her) that she wanted Kate to have the baby which is why she was able to adopt him even though she was still considered a fugitive.

    As an aside, my brother has Down Syndrome, and my first thought as soon as soon as I saw Aaron in that last scene was that he looked a little different than he had before. My husband’s first reaction before I even voiced my opinion was that Aaron looked like my brother. Now this could all totally be the camera angle and mean completely nothing but it’s an interesting theory and maybe is one reason why Jack is hesitant to see Aaron. The baby Aaron on the island clearly does not have Down Syndrome so maybe something happened to him?

  281. Missy says:

    [quote comment="185336"]i’m left confused. i thought with a name like eggtown there would be eastereggs all through this thing. i thought they were having some fun! i’ve combed blogs and haven’t found anything really interesting. it was a fine story and fairly neat ending but did kate really need to go through all of that (conning locke and getting miles and ben in the same room) to realize that as a wanted person she might be found out as a wanted person? if she had been on the lam for that long can she really be this naive? did she think something may have happened that people would not recognize her as a murderer–like ben changing the past?[/quote]

    I agree – Usually the title has a firm bond with the entire episode. I guess it was just eggtown because that’s what locke was making at the beginning. Good point that someone mentioned before about there only being 2 eggs left and then Locke killed the chicken.

    The only real reason I could see Kate going through all the effort to talk to Miles – and give him his meeting with Ben is because she really is pregnant and knows she has to leave the island or die. If they didn’t know about her past, I think she’d choose to stay on the island. But now she’s in a pinch, because she is pregnant and the do know what she did. Perhaps…

  282. SuzySchool says:

    I almost meant to add, that the LOST writers never tell us the whole of anything. I think we only saw a portion of Kate’s arrival home from court. We didn’t see her go into her newborn’s room.

    Her being pregnant, is another reason that she is desperate to get off the island…otherwise she will die. That is why she is wondering what Miles knows about her, is she recognizable, etc.

    And when talking with Jack after court, she referred to the “baby”…not a 2-3 yr old, like Aaron would be.

  283. Hammer says:

    Someone earlies asked what the bearded guys yells to Kate when she is going through the press. I have listend a dozen times but can’t make it out. “Where you h…?”

    I bet it’s an easter egg.

  284. Miraks says:

    Oceanic 6:
    Kate (leaves because Locke kicked her out-has no choice)
    Jack
    Hurley
    Sayid
    Sun and Jin

    Something happens to Claire and she does not make it (she only makes it onto the heli, per Dez’s vision).

    Kate is claiming Aaron is hers- Jack knows the truth. Reason- in the real world Aaron is “too young” to be Claire’s son (three months on island= more time off island?). In order to explain a young baby, one of the Oceanic 6 needs to claim him as their own. Kate is the only one who can do it (logicaly).

  285. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="185627"]
    Maybe that’s not the point though. Maybe she’s hiding him in plain sight with regards to whoever is looking for him. I don’t know that Kate having Claaron (Claire’s aaron vs. Kataaron kate’s aaron) is safe. I think its exactly the opposite. Something’s up with that kid and until now Claire’s got him and things are under control, but once he’s in someone else’s hands, who knows. Maybe he’ll start killing birds too.[/quote]
    Ahh yes, that would make sense. BTW I like the Claaron (Claire’s aaron vs. Kataaron kate’s aaron).

  286. Miraks says:

    [quote comment="185628"]Didn’t the preview/commercial for this episode (Eggtown) say that another O6er would be revealed? If that’s true than it would have to be Aaron, right? —Even if you want to argue that he wasn’t originally on the manifold it would seem that the writers/producers still consider him one of the O6. There was no other O6er revealed on this episode.quote]

    I believe Kate is the O6er revealed in this episode.

  287. Miraks says:

    The O6 have a “story” made up for them- what to say happened to them. I think they probably would go along with it, because if they come back talking about smoke-monsters, mysterious islands, killing and fighting with “others”, etc.. people would think they were nuts.

  288. Miraks says:

    On Danny boy crying in front of TV. I believe it was a flash-back (since in the future people know about the O6- thus finding everyone dead on board would not make sense). Maybe he has been to the island before/ knew something, but got a little mind-erase treatment in room 23(?). ??

  289. Meg says:

    I don’t remember if the commercials said anything about revealing another O6er (I don’t think it did, that was last week), but if it did, they probably meant Kate. Before, everyone was debating whether or not she actually WAS an O6er. Now we have confirmation that she is.

  290. lostaddict says:

    lostaddict wrote:

    Didn’t the preview/commercial for this episode (Eggtown) say that another O6er would be revealed? If that’s true than it would have to be Aaron, right? —Even if you want to argue that he wasn’t originally on the manifold it would seem that the writers/producers still consider him one of the O6. There was no other O6er revealed on this episode.quote]

    Miraks wrote:
    I believe Kate is the O6er revealed in this episode.

    But didn’t the pop-up in episode 3 say Sayid was the fourth O6er to be revealed. That would mean we already know that Kate is one of them (Kate, Jack, Hurley, & Sayid) or am I missing something? I just love this show!

  291. Miraks says:

    The biggest kick I got this episode was when Locke is talking to Ben. Ben mocks him for not knowing what to do next and says: You are LOST!!!
    I think that is a big REMINDER to the meaning of this whole series. All our people are “lost” in a symbolical sense before they arrive. Jack is an alcoholic, Kate a fugitive, Hurley is paranoid and in a nut house, Sayid is a torturer and a killer, etc. On the island they all grow stronger, more responsible, they “find” themselves. When the O6 go back, they are better off, BUT then they start slipping back- Jack is once again an alcoholic, Hurley is back in the nut house, Sayid is an assassin,… Maybe that is why they want to go back to the island?

  292. Val says:

    Great take Miraks.

    So, with your common sense. I figured out Claire.

    On the island, Claire is a loving mother. However, off the island,she can not have the responsiblity of keeping Aaron.
    Claire will give Aaron up for adoption to Kate.

    Who will be the other survivor.hmmmmmm

  293. SuzySchool says:

    I still think Ben is running the whole show. I believe that he “picks” the O6 and makes some empty promise that the rest of the people will be rescued on the next helo, freighter, whatever. Although, surprise, surprise, Ben is lying! There is no other rescue, the O6 he picks are to benefit him somehow. To work for him in some capacity…he needs them and he ensures their “loyalty” with his empty promises (Oh, I mean lies).

    I loved the scene with Locke and Ben, classic! He lets Ben get under his skin and it cracks me up. I would have gagged Ben a long time ago (maybe with the grenade!).

  294. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="185640"] Maybe that is why they want to go back to the island?[/quote]
    You are correct, there are very few main characters that REALLY want to go home. Maybe this is a clue to finish the O6. Sawyer being a con again? Locke being a sorry crippled sap? Jin being a heavy? Rose nothing? Bernard nothing? Claire a carrier of special babies.

  295. Rita says:

    Back to baby Aaron (Claaron/Kataaron?). We don’t know HOW LONG they have been back…long enough for Kate “to be one of the most famous faces in America”, and long enough for Kate’s court case to be made. Aaron could be any age by now. He called her mommy. She’s not hiding him for Claire and allowing him to call her mommy. She’s mommy (whether or not she gave birth to him).

  296. Laura* says:

    Hammer – I think Kate is hiding Claaron from the public. Yes they know she has a child, but they haven’t met her child. Let’s say (for whatever reason) Kate “took” Claaron and is trying to pass him off as her own. Maybe Claire’s dead, maybe Kate stole Aaron, whatever, it doesn’t matter for the point I’m trying to make, all that matters is let’s say Kate is pretending Claaron is her biological child while we know he is not.

    The police know that Kate was at least not visibly pregnant at the time she went aboard the airplane… they would have pictures, or cameras in the airport whatever. We also know that the public believes only 8 people survived the crash at all, and from the story I felt like it implied that the other two did not live very long (probably not long enough for Claire to give birth to a child). We have no idea when the 06 get off the plane, for all we know they end up on the island for another few months… long enough for Kate to (in the public’s eyes) get pregnant, or carry out the last say 5 months of her pregnancy and give birth on the island.

    If this were the case, it should be pretty obvious when Claaron is 5 months older than physically possible that he is not Kate’s biological child… but the older that he gets the less and less obvious this will be (for example a baby that is pretending to be a year old but is really a year and a half is a lot easier to pick out than the difference between a 3 and 3 and a half year old).

    I believe that Kate has led the public to believe this is indeed her child, which leads to why her mother would so desperately want to see him (I don’t think she would care nearly as much if it was Kate’s adopted child from a woman who died on the plane). This is also why Kate is so adamant that the child not be seen in public, because questions would start to arise pertaining to his size/maturity/whatever. I think after the craziness of being “rescued” you might be able to get away with keeping a child out of the limelight, but once you introduce him in such a spotlighted court case it would become obvious.

    I’m not sure how plausible the details are, I just feel like Kate is hiding Claaron for a reason, and this is the one I could come up with so far lol :)

  297. barbara says:

    [quote comment="185512"][quote comment="185502"]…killer if the baby wasn’t Claire’s Aaron.[/quote]
    All points def. lead toward the original Aaron. I just can’t let go of Jack not accepting the baby. That makes absolutely NO sense. I’m not buying the “bad memories” crap. No sense in debating anymore until we get some type of confirmation…so I concede for now.[/quote]
    It CAN be that its just a bad memory that makes it hard for Jack to see the baby. JACK is Aarons UNCLE…remember long ago, Claire meets with Christian Shepard…she and Jack are half-brother/sister!!

  298. Laura* says:

    [quote comment="185646"]Great take Miraks.

    So, with your common sense. I figured out Claire.

    On the island, Claire is a loving mother. However, off the island,she can not have the responsiblity of keeping Aaron.
    Claire will give Aaron up for adoption to Kate.

    Who will be the other survivor.hmmmmmm[/quote]

    Maybe this is the fundamental reason that Kate does not want to go back to the island (at least not “yet” as in not at the FF at the end of season 3) she seems to be the only one who’s life has really changed.

    Yes she was a fugitive, but she overcame that, and now she is a loving mother that wants to go back.

    So either a) something happens after that that makes her become a criminal again (protecting Aaron maybe) and she decides now she wants to go back
    or b) Hurley/Sayid/Jack have lifealtering events that remind them of the ways in which they changed on the island so they can change again in “real life” and progress past this state which they have fallen back into… (i.e. Hurley realizes he’s not cursed and can leave the institute and begin to live a normal life)

  299. barbara says:

    [quote comment="185207"]A quick Q? before bed. Did anyone catch the title of the book that Locke was trying to peddle on Ben in the dungeon at the start of the episode?

    Another thought: The “construction plan” of the barracks has several large tunnels 20′ wide and/or deep stringing out from beneath the barracks compound. Ben jailed below ground is the first time we’ve seem anything basement-oriented below the barracks. Maybe there is tunnel access down where Ben is now… or through another secret panel from Bens’ secret closet?
    (yes – I play too much Myst/Riven/Exile).

    And where the heck the others get a pond and a boathouse? Mayberry RFD?[/quote]
    It is “the Brothers Karamazov” a famous novel about 4 brothers who must kill their father..hmmmm.

  300. Miraks says:

    [quote comment="185651"][quote comment="185640"] Maybe that is why they want to go back to the island?[/quote]
    You are correct, there are very few main characters that REALLY want to go home. Maybe this is a clue to finish the O6. Sawyer being a con again? Locke being a sorry crippled sap? Jin being a heavy? Rose nothing? Bernard nothing? Claire a carrier of special babies.[/quote]

    I don’t think Claire will make it (see my post above), but I could see Locke being back to the wheelchair- maybe a reason for his suiside (ie, coffin?).

  301. Rita says:

    I will have to go back and check but I believe Kate’s mom said it has been four years since I thought you were dead (meaning the crash)so at least in off island time, there could have been plenty of time for Kate to have had a baby (though not this one, this one is Claaron for sure). The public could plausibly believe this is her baby.
    Those who noted that we don’t get to see the left side of Claaron’s face could be on to something. I was thinking about the other’s marking people. Could Claaron have been marked? Just thinking out loud.

  302. dbsherri says:

    I didn’t start watching LOST until a month ago, when my brother gave me the first three seasons to watch.

    I have to say, I’m getting a bit tired of the ‘bombshell’ endings each week…only to leave you without any conclusions about them.

    I’m tiring of it, frankly. It’s fun, and my only escape in terms of TV, but I think I’ve had it

  303. Lins says:

    I don’t think Claire knew that Kate was a fugitive and if something happens where Claire is in a state of desperation before she dies (which I think she will), Kate may be her only choice to save Aaron.

    I don’t think Kate is pregnant and it’s another baby and she just names him Aaron, that’s way too confusing and dumb if that’s the case!

    I don’t think Kate actually wants to leave the island, but something will happen (a.k.a. Claire dying and her needing to save Aaron) to make her feel like she has to leave.

    Aaron is what, 3 months old? So if the theory from last week holds that 1 day on island time is 2.5 years in the real world, he would be about the right age in this episode. Not sure how that works though!

    Locke with the grenade was awesome, he’s definitely getting evil, he’s losing it just like the Others though Ben was losing it…maybe Hurley is the new leader since he can see Jacob and the cabin.

    The $3.2 million was obviously very specific and I agree with someone earlier that said it may be a code and Miles may have been the man on the boat. It will be interesting to see if Ben pays up, but I don’t think he will. I think Miles will sneeze in that dusty old boat house and blow him self up!

    Danny obviously has some memory issues, I thought it was weird that they came back to the beach, didn’t they say last week that they wanted to do more experiements and work and stuff? They didn’t seem to be doing much of that.

    It will be interesting to see the timeline of what happens with the helicopter, obviously something goes wrong if they haven’t made it there yet. Something with the “time change” maybe?

    Jack’s story was interesting, especially thinking back to his conversation with Hurley in Ep2. I do think Jin and Sun are the other two O6ers though. But who came up with the 8 survived and 2 died story? And interesting that Jack was the witness called, doesn’t Hurley live in CA too, why would they pick Jack other than the obvious romantic attachment?

    Ahhh! So many questions, can’t wait to watch it again!

  304. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="185656"]Hammer – I think Kate is hiding Claaron from the public.[/quote]
    I’m coming around, but holding on until confirmed. There is more to Jack not wanting to see the kid than just bad memories. His whole life is consumed by the events, seeing his nephew would be a positive, not a negative. He has no problem visiting Kate and Hugo, wouldn’t that stir more memories than Aaron?

  305. ok..pseudo off-topic, but…i’m so addicted to the show that i wrote a song about it!
    i figured you guys would be my most appreciate audience.

  306. Evan says:

    Did it ever occur to anyone that maybe Jack’s testimony was bullshit? He said he didn’t love her just to prove that his character witness would stand up as valid…he even said that what he said in court wasn’t how he felt…i don’t remember kate saving all these people either….but if there were 8 the two additional are ben and aaron

  307. Rita says:

    Lins: No lawyer would have picked Hurley (in a mental institute) rather than Jack (a respected doctor) as a witness. I thought the prosecuter asked about the love interest in order to make him a “biased witness” and steal some credibility from his testimony.

  308. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="185665"]
    I don’t think Claire will make it (see my post above), but I could see Locke being back to the wheelchair- maybe a reason for his suiside (ie, coffin?).[/quote]
    Now we’re talkin’! Your compilation is the best “coffin/want to go back” theory I’ve seen yet.

    Will – where’s that coffin thread?

  309. Rita says:

    [quote comment="185675"]Lins: No lawyer would have picked Hurley (in a mental institute) rather than Jack (a respected doctor) as a witness. I thought the prosecuter asked about the love interest in order to make him a “biased witness” and steal some credibility from his testimony.[/quote]
    I mean mental institution of course, not institute

  310. Tim says:

    …Jack’s story was interesting, especially thinking back to his conversation with Hurley in Ep2. I do think Jin and Sun are the other two O6ers though. But who came up with the 8 survived and 2 died story? And interesting that Jack was the witness called, doesn’t Hurley live in CA too, why would they pick Jack other than the obvious romantic attachment?…

    Not sure some guy in a mental institution would be considered a good character witness.

  311. Tina says:

    Danny boy’s memory may be getting healed by the island.

    Charlotte says to him while they’re playing with the cards that “2 out three is an IMPROVEMENT.”

    hmmm..

    BTW I think it’s awesome that Claaron caught on. :)

  312. Bailey Loves Lost says:

    Is anyone else wondering when Desmond is going to realize Charlie put that note in his pocket for him to give to Claire? It’s been bugging me!

  313. Tina says:

    [quote comment="185681"]…Jack’s story was interesting, especially thinking back to his conversation with Hurley in Ep2. I do think Jin and Sun are the other two O6ers though. But who came up with the 8 survived and 2 died story? And interesting that Jack was the witness called, doesn’t Hurley live in CA too, why would they pick Jack other than the obvious romantic attachment?…

    Not sure some guy in a mental institution would be considered a good character witness.[/quote]
    a highly respected spinal surgeon would make an excellent witness in any trial.

  314. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="185673"]Did it ever occur to anyone that maybe Jack’s testimony was bullshit? He said he didn’t love her just to prove that his character witness would stand up as valid…he even said that what he said in court wasn’t how he felt…i don’t remember kate saving all these people either….but if there were 8 the two additional are ben and aaron[/quote]

    His testimony was false, as far as we know. And even if it isn’t completely fabricated, unless someone wants to subscribe to the “alternate reality” theory (which I do not), it is still false. Even if there is another crash and all but 8 people perish, and even if Kate IS the one to rescue and aid those 8 people, Jack’s testimony was that on September 22, 2004, flight 815 crashed into the water and 8 people survived. He said the US Marshall did not survive the crash. He said he no longer loved Kate. The last part MIGHT be true, but the remaining testimony is all fabricated.

    : ) P

  315. Julie says:

    [quote comment="185669"]I don’t think Claire knew that Kate was a fugitive and if something happens where Claire is in a state of desperation before she dies (which I think she will), Kate may be her only choice to save Aaron.

    I don’t think Kate is pregnant and it’s another baby and she just names him Aaron, that’s way too confusing and dumb if that’s the case!

    I don’t think Kate actually wants to leave the island, but something will happen (a.k.a. Claire dying and her needing to save Aaron) to make her feel like she has to leave.

    Aaron is what, 3 months old? So if the theory from last week holds that 1 day on island time is 2.5 years in the real world, he would be about the right age in this episode. Not sure how that works though![/quote]

    If one day = 2.5 years they are in some serious trouble. They’ve been there what 100 days? A little more. For easy math let’s say 100 days. That’s 250 YEARS. Yea, that ones busted.

  316. LostMPLSFan says:

    There is definitely a lot of repitition going on in these posts. I agree with those speculating the Kate claims Aaron as her own; did anyone else notice how she seemed upset when Sawyer “whoops” when she tells him she’s not pregnant? She’s starting to want a child, bad. Somehow, although it is a bummer, I’m guessing that Claire dies on the show. Truthfully, her character really hasn’t developed much and I have a feeling it’s her “time” to go. Otherwise I can’t see them sending Aaron off without Claire. the whole parental bonding thing.

  317. lostlaur* says:

    I guess Desmond hasn’t given it to Claire yet because he hasn’t really seen her? She ran away with the Locke group & he hasn’t been over there. But either way, pass it on already Des!

    Also- they showed us a whole bunch of Kate & Sawyer getting it on scenes and then when we watch on Thurs. Sawyer gets shut down? Boo to that.

    What was the book he gives Ben with breakfast? Or has someone already figured out what it’s about?

    Something to think about with the Kate being Claaron’s mama thing- it has to be somewhat important that it was Kate who actually helped deliver Aaron.

    AND- call me silly but I can’t understand why nobody has fashioned any clothes for baby Aaron on the island yet? I mean, they all have multiple outfits now… can somebody rig up a onesie for him or something?

  318. Julie says:

    [quote comment="185688"][quote comment="185669"]I don’t think Claire knew that Kate was a fugitive and if something happens where Claire is in a state of desperation before she dies (which I think she will), Kate may be her only choice to save Aaron.

    I don’t think Kate is pregnant and it’s another baby and she just names him Aaron, that’s way too confusing and dumb if that’s the case!

    I don’t think Kate actually wants to leave the island, but something will happen (a.k.a. Claire dying and her needing to save Aaron) to make her feel like she has to leave.

    Aaron is what, 3 months old? So if the theory from last week holds that 1 day on island time is 2.5 years in the real world, he would be about the right age in this episode. Not sure how that works though![/quote]

    If one day = 2.5 years they are in some serious trouble. They’ve been there what 100 days? A little more. For easy math let’s say 100 days. That’s 250 YEARS. Yea, that ones busted.[/quote]

    Also *just thought of this* it cant be TO far off. Remember when the others had Jack, Ben showed him a tape of the Redsox winning the world series. Well The losties have an idea of real time. Plane crashes on day one… your there lets say 90 days, well if your plane crashed in Nov and it should now be Feb and he’s showing you the world series your going to call him on it. It wouldn’t be baseball season. So the timeline can’t be THAT far apart.

  319. shouldbeworking says:

    yes, whoever thought Kate’s son looked like he had down’s syndrome, I agree. even in the short time he was on screen, I saw definite signs – short, stubby fingers, and his face looked like he had downs as well.

    for the person who said that the closed captioning said “Aaron” and not “Eric,” as far as I know, closed captioning is done by transcribers. whoever transcribed the episode might have thought she called the child Aaron. but, who knows? its another mystery.

    my thought was that it was Jack’s baby and that he didn’t want to see him because the baby has down’s and that it is possibly because of being conceived on the island, and that he feels guilty about it. my other thought was that it was Sawyer’s baby and that Jack didn’t want to see him because it meant that Kate was cheating on him. sort of anyway.

    I thought that ‘the economist’ episode was much better than this episode. though I cannot believe that ben would ever hold any sway over sayid, I mean, he’s a trained killer after all.

    once off the island, generally, the show loses its appeal for me. while on the island, everyone is neither here nor there, and they are vulnerable. but once off, well, I’m sorry but I feel that the magic is gone. its like if Tony Soprano left the mafia, he’d be just another guy from Jersey.

  320. PreviouslyOnLost says:

    Just an observation: Why do any of us really CARE who the “Oceanic Six” are? I mean obviously this show is very effective at misleading the viewers, always intentionally to make us think of things that could be and accept things that may not be. My point is, knowing Ben can at least come and go as he pleases, why should we even concern ourselves with who the six are? IF it,s Jack, Kate, Sayid and Hurley and two others than fine, but that does not at all prove to us that no one else survives OR escapes OR dies on the island. I love this show and have watched from the beginning but I’m starting to get a little frustrated with these occassional topics that we all obsess about, get some hints towards and then eventually we get no answers to. (Smoke monster, Des’s visions, Jack’s bizzare tattoos, the numbers etc. So how about it! Thoughts on not who the six ARE, but their RELEVANCE? Great Blog guys keep it up by the way always fun to read everyones opinions.

  321. maggie says:

    [quote comment="185687"][quote comment="185673"]Did it ever occur to anyone that maybe Jack’s testimony was bullshit? He said he didn’t love her just to prove that his character witness would stand up as valid…he even said that what he said in court wasn’t how he felt…i don’t remember kate saving all these people either….but if there were 8 the two additional are ben and aaron[/quote]

    His testimony was false, as far as we know. And even if it isn’t completely fabricated, unless someone wants to subscribe to the “alternate reality” theory (which I do not), it is still false. Even if there is another crash and all but 8 people perish, and even if Kate IS the one to rescue and aid those 8 people, Jack’s testimony was that on September 22, 2004, flight 815 crashed into the water and 8 people survived. He said the US Marshall did not survive the crash. He said he no longer loved Kate. The last part MIGHT be true, but the remaining testimony is all fabricated.

    : ) P[/quote]
    Ben is not an oceanic survior nor for that matter is Aaron. he was born after the crash.
    Also they stated she saved 8 but only 6 returned. We know 4 but I agree Jin and Sun are the other 2.

  322. maggie says:

    [quote comment="185695"]Just an observation: Why do any of us really CARE who the “Oceanic Six” are? I mean obviously this show is very effective at misleading the viewers, always intentionally to make us think of things that could be and accept things that may not be. My point is, knowing Ben can at least come and go as he pleases, why should we even concern ourselves with who the six are? IF it,s Jack, Kate, Sayid and Hurley and two others than fine, but that does not at all prove to us that no one else survives OR escapes OR dies on the island. I love this show and have watched from the beginning but I’m starting to get a little frustrated with these occassional topics that we all obsess about, get some hints towards and then eventually we get no answers to. (Smoke monster, Des’s visions, Jack’s bizzare tattoos, the numbers etc. So how about it! Thoughts on not who the six ARE, but their RELEVANCE? Great Blog guys keep it up by the way always fun to read everyones opinions.[/quote]

    I have to agree with this – This is how I have felt about this show from the beginning – I almost stopped watching after season 2 – they were really starting to tick me off. But you take this show for what it is. We can talk it to death – but the writers can always change at their whim…..

  323. katesFriend says:

    although it makes me sad to say this, i don’t think claire will ever get charlie’s 5 “Greatest Hits”

    he put it in des’s pocket, but then remember he had to dive down after charlie b/c mikhail was shooting at him

    i’m kind of guessing a single piece of notebook paper doesn’t survive a trip to the looking glass

  324. deangoodes says:

    PEOPLE—You are missing the point on Jack’s testimony. It is a flat out lie!!! We know that is not what happened. We do not know WHY he is telling the new version of what happened yet but I’m sure we’ll find out eventually. But for now, we know he made that crap up. When Jack and Kate met up underneath the courthouse by the cab, Kate even says, “I’ve heard you tell that story so many times I almost believe it.” So please don’t go on about the 8 that survived and then two more died crap, that’s not what actually happened.

  325. Julie says:

    [quote comment="185695"]Just an observation: Why do any of us really CARE who the “Oceanic Six” are? I mean obviously this show is very effective at misleading the viewers, always intentionally to make us think of things that could be and accept things that may not be. My point is, knowing Ben can at least come and go as he pleases, why should we even concern ourselves with who the six are? IF it,s Jack, Kate, Sayid and Hurley and two others than fine, but that does not at all prove to us that no one else survives OR escapes OR dies on the island. I love this show and have watched from the beginning but I’m starting to get a little frustrated with these occassional topics that we all obsess about, get some hints towards and then eventually we get no answers to. (Smoke monster, Des’s visions, Jack’s bizzare tattoos, the numbers etc. So how about it! Thoughts on not who the six ARE, but their RELEVANCE? Great Blog guys keep it up by the way always fun to read everyones opinions.[/quote]

    Well I can’t speak for anyone else.. but as for me..
    I hate reality television. I’m a 27 (ugh) year old single mom with a double BA that busts my butt as a financial consultant all day. I deal with the real world all day. Suits and numbers at work. Drama and attitudes with my sons father. The real world surrounds me and when I come home its nice to just escape. My son who will be 3 on Monday LOVES Lost. It’s our weekly obession. Our TV at home is usually on the disney channel. He lives for Zack and Cody while I cook clean and do all my other mommy duties.
    Once a week (twice a week if heroes is on) I get to sit down and watch something that is completely entertaining. Something that doesn’t make me feel dumb for sitting through it. Something that actually poses a challange to my brain and says ‘you can take this at face value or.. you can look deeper. If you look deeper you WILL find something or you can just carry on happily with face value’ Thats why I watch. That’s why I want to know who the O6 are, thats why I’m on this blog. Its something that gets me away from all the reality that this REAL WORLD has become. Its what TV or entertainment for that matter used to be about.
    It’s an intelligent show. It attracts intelligent people. It makes you actually THINK to come up with answers for yourself.
    A side note.. I know grown adults to will turn on Lost call me and say “what the heck is going on!!??” but my son who has pretty much watched with me since he was born.. (Lost is PIZZA night!).. can actually follow the show. After last weeks epi I was on this website and he saw the picture of Sayid. He said “ohh he’s from Lost! He’s on the island. Well he left the island. Kind of. Does anyone leave the island mommy? I dont think he left, but maybe! No. He will be back. Jack cries (he got that from me.. I call Jack a cry baby) so he will come back because he shoots guns at people for Jack!”
    I mean COMEON!! He’s 2, 3 on Monday! Other than me saying Jack is a cry baby he gathered this all himself. (Yea.. I totally praised him on my myspace page.. lol)
    Its just a good show. End of story. We all (or maybe just me) care about who does what and all the goings on because sometimes life and reality just sucks and well.. this is a way to get away from that for a while.
    ::taking my bow and getting off my high horse now:: LOL!

  326. Rita says:

    [quote comment="185701"]PEOPLE—You are missing the point on Jack’s testimony. It is a flat out lie!!! We know that is not what happened. We do not know WHY he is telling the new version of what happened yet but I’m sure we’ll find out eventually. But for now, we know he made that crap up. When Jack and Kate met up underneath the courthouse by the cab, Kate even says, “I’ve heard you tell that story so many times I almost believe it.” So please don’t go on about the 8 that survived and then two more died crap, that’s not what actually happened.[/quote]
    Of course not. We’ve spent 3+ years watching what DID happen and that wasn’t it. The question isn’t did he lie? (Duh) but why? For whom? They have ALL been very careful to “not tell”…

  327. Julie says:

    [quote comment="185703"][quote comment="185701"]PEOPLE—You are missing the point on Jack’s testimony. It is a flat out lie!!! We know that is not what happened. We do not know WHY he is telling the new version of what happened yet but I’m sure we’ll find out eventually. But for now, we know he made that crap up. When Jack and Kate met up underneath the courthouse by the cab, Kate even says, “I’ve heard you tell that story so many times I almost believe it.” So please don’t go on about the 8 that survived and then two more died crap, that’s not what actually happened.[/quote]
    Of course not. We’ve spent 3+ years watching what DID happen and that wasn’t it. The question isn’t did he lie? (Duh) but why? For whom? They have ALL been very careful to “not tell”…[/quote]

    we are aware that what jack said is a lie. But I believe what everyone is questioning is who are the 6/8 he is referring to. Jack, Kate, Hurley, and possibly Sayid came up with the story that Jack told in the courtroom as their ‘version’ of what happened during the crash. This is what they told the world upon their rescue. (A really good example of how what we read and hear in the news gets accepted as truth..eh?). So to the world Jacks story is the truth…. not a fabrication.

  328. Hammer says:

    How about this, Michael is an O6, Libby and Anna Lucia are the extra two that killed by Michael, hence the cover up. The rest of the original survivors that have died where killed by “events” rather than people…right?

  329. Julie says:

    [quote comment="185706"]How about this, Michael is an O6, Libby and Anna Lucia are the extra two that killed by Michael, hence the cover up. The rest of the original survivors that have died where killed by “events” rather than people…right?[/quote]
    Why would they need to cover up Libby and Ana Lucia? All they have to say is that they died in the crash. Done. Easy clean up.
    Not to mention in Hurleys FF we meet Ana Lucias old partner and he states that she died in the Oceanic 815 crash.

  330. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="185708"]
    Not to mention in Hurleys FF we meet Ana Lucias old partner and he states that she died in the Oceanic 815 crash.[/quote]
    Admittedly I didn’t think it all the way through, but of course he would say they died in crash as part of my cover up theory because the two extras that Jack brings up are dead. I’m just throwing it out there because those two were murdered by a Losty…

  331. Julie says:

    [quote comment="185710"][quote comment="185708"]
    Not to mention in Hurleys FF we meet Ana Lucias old partner and he states that she died in the Oceanic 815 crash.[/quote]
    Admittedly I didn’t think it all the way through, but of course he would say they died in crash as part of my cover up theory because the two extras that Jack brings up are dead. I’m just throwing it out there because those two were murdered by a Losty…[/quote]
    Oh I know.. I didn’t mean to come off snotty. I’m just REALLLY bored at work and ready to go… reading this for the next oh…. hour and fifteen minutes.

  332. intolost says:

    Claire must be dead or had to be left on the island. Kate does have Claire’s Aaron and is claiming him as her own. Part of the cover up also has to be so Claire’s family won’t realize it’s her Aaron and claim him. How about Claire’s auntie, remember?

    Ben obviously has his claws into all of them! It’s all a huge cover up. Ben is still running their lives maybe bottom line to protect the island. The losties understand why now and go along with it. Perhaps is it ultimately a reason for everyone’s best interest, though not the most pleasant reason.

    BTW, didn’t Kate help deliver Aaron? Kind of cool connection there.

  333. Julie says:

    What about Roussou? Isn’t she desparate to get off the island with her daughter? Obviously she isn’t one of the O6.. but does anyone have any thoughts on her?

  334. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="185714"]What about Roussou? Isn’t she desparate to get off the island with her daughter? Obviously she isn’t one of the O6.. but does anyone have any thoughts on her?[/quote]
    The thoughts I have on her go back to last season when I theorized that she is more than JUST the woman scampering through the jungle and just happened to let Ben steal her daughter. There must be something Ben has over her, but allows her to run free. There are “looks” they the two exchange that makes be believe that she is in cahoots. I know she clocked him when he said “my daughter”, but there is something more to her.

  335. Julie says:

    Someone just emailed me and asked for me to post a link to my myspace page so they could read my blog about Lost. Like.. its’ not a LOST BLOG.. I just wrote one the other day.. nothing big.
    Anyways.. uhm.. here ya go.. whoever you are!

    http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=288983755

  336. Meg says:

    [quote comment="185714"]What about Roussou? Isn’t she desparate to get off the island with her daughter? Obviously she isn’t one of the O6.. but does anyone have any thoughts on her?[/quote]
    I think Roussou has said a few times that she’s been on the island so long now, that there is nothing left for her in the real world. She goes with Locke because she wants to stay on the island.

  337. Hammer says:

    “Don’t treat me like I’m one of them…and don’t know who you are…and what you can do.”

    Kate heard that. It’s a reason why she’s going to go back to the beach and get off the island.

  338. LOST24 says:

    [quote comment="185162"]so for Kate,no jail time is a little bit of a break compared to the 20 years + they could have given her. Of course, she can’t leave the state for 10 years. Of course you noticed that she called her “son” Aaron at the end. Isn’t that Claire’s son?
    And at her trial Jack said there were 8 survivors of the crash and that Kate had rescued them all. That is definitely not true. And Miles wants 3.2 mil from Ben and seems to know that he has that kind of money. So who is Ben. Tonight basically gave us more mystery than answers. I guess the Oceanic six are: Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Aaron and the 6th one to be revealed. Interesting. I may wait until next weeks episode to come up with more theories.

    And, someone please tell me why Aaron is Jack’s nephew – did I miss something in an earlier season?

    I liked the Xanadu connection – hadn’t really paid attention to that one until DocH pointed it out.

    There is definitely still a whole lot between the lines. I think I’ll wait until next week to come up with new theories.

    So, American Idol anyone………….wait, differnt site :)[/quote]
    ______________________________________________________

    Technically, Aaron can’t be considered a member of the Oceanic 6 because he was born on the island. Aaron is Jack’s nephew because Jack and Claire had the same father.

  339. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="185719"] She goes with Locke because she wants to stay on the island.[/quote]
    And because Locke has Ben and she knows who Ben is and what he can do. (IMO).

  340. bonny says:

    At the end of this episode, on the credits it says 2 yr old boy, not Aaron, played by William Blanchette. So the age thing is settled but why is he referred to as just 2 yr old boy?

  341. Julie says:

    You guys lost me. Ha.. Lost… Ha. Yea I need to go home. Anyhow..
    I’ve always been a huge fan of Locke’s (never liked his FBs for some reason though) but I’ve always liked his character. But I dont know, he’s kind of wearing on me.
    He’s been picking at Hurley.. and well Hurleys just a big ole loveable guy. He’s like my golden retreiver/ white lab mix… a big ole cuddle bunny!
    To take real pot shots (not like Sawyer) at Hurley is just wrong. I think that John has ‘over stepped his boundry’ and that’s why he can no longer … whats the word i’m looking for… coordinate with the island? He knew where things were… he was one with Jacob or whatever.. but he seems to have lost it and I think that’s the very reason.

  342. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="185724"]At the end of this episode, on the credits it says 2 yr old boy, not Aaron, played by William Blanchette. So the age thing is settled but why is he referred to as just 2 yr old boy?[/quote]
    The writer are always one step ahead of us ’cause they know what we do. Most likely intentional to be vague then watch us scramble like rats looking for cheese.

  343. katesFriend says:

    i just read this on lostpedia and it really got me thinking, thought i would share:

    “The Freighties already know that Ben has a man on their boat and are using him as a double agent. When Charlotte returned with Sayid at the end of the economist she didn’t bother telling Daniel or Frank that Ben had said he had a man on the boat, she also didn’t bother phoning Regina to tell her. Either Charlotte is the ‘man’ on the boat, which seems unlikely, or the Freighties have known about Ben’s infiltration all along.”

    This seems like a really big deal to me, why wouldn’t charlotte make it a big deal????

  344. Julie says:

    [quote comment="185724"]At the end of this episode, on the credits it says 2 yr old boy, not Aaron, played by William Blanchette. So the age thing is settled but why is he referred to as just 2 yr old boy?[/quote]

    Because Aaron is an established character on the show. The child that plays baby Aaron has been cast in that role and is subsequently being paid for that role. Unions do not allow for duplicate roles. There will always be “twin A” or “twin B” unless you are grouped into an ‘extra’ catagory which are not covered under actors unions.
    So the writers can not call 2yo Aaron… Aaron.

  345. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="185728"]
    Because Aaron is an established character on the show. The child that plays baby Aaron has been cast in that role and is subsequently being paid for that role. Unions do not allow for duplicate roles. There will always be “twin A” or “twin B” unless you are grouped into an ‘extra’ catagory which are not covered under actors unions.
    So the writers can not call 2yo Aaron… Aaron.[/quote]
    Then why not credit it as 2 Year Old Aaron or Toddler Aaron? Why leave out the word Aaron? To be vague I say.

  346. Julie says:

    Are we sure that Ben has a man on their boat? I mean.. yes he said it but Ben never lies, right?
    As far as I know none of the other losties know that ben and his people have the ability to get information on people from the outside world. Jack does, kate and sawyer, maybe? John, but you know he’s not going to say anything.
    So Ben gets information on the people when he finds out the freighter is out there….. he knows this girls story.. just like he knew Jacks. Its very possible he doesn’t have ANYONE on their boat. Honestly I would say its a lot more likely. Cause if he did, why did it come as a surpirse that they had arrived?

  347. Julie says:

    [/quote]Then why not credit it as 2 Year Old Aaron or Toddler Aaron? Why leave out the word Aaron? To be vague I say.[/quote]

    Honestly, its probably because we wont see him again. LOL! You know how they are. Ooooh! Kate has Aaron!! Bam! That’s all you get!
    There will be references.. we will find out who what when where and why.. but the actor that played 2yo Aaron… yea his Lost days are probably over. LOL!
    Nah, it’s probably just to screw with us… or just being lazy… who knows..
    I really believe that it was just a one time part and it wasn’t a big deal. Plus labeling him “2yo Aaron..” Why that would have just cut down on a good 150 posts today!

  348. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="185733"]
    So Ben gets information on the people when he finds out the freighter is out there….. he knows this girls story.. just like he knew Jacks. Its very possible he doesn’t have ANYONE on their boat. /quote]
    He hasn’t had the opportunity in some days to get to the looking glass and the flame is destroyed. How would he be getting info at this point?

  349. Julie says:

    [quote comment="185736"][quote comment="185733"]
    So Ben gets information on the people when he finds out the freighter is out there….. he knows this girls story.. just like he knew Jacks. Its very possible he doesn’t have ANYONE on their boat. /quote]
    He hasn’t had the opportunity in some days to get to the looking glass and the flame is destroyed. How would he be getting info at this point?[/quote]

    the looking glass was blocking signals. He found out that they were there back when he was with the others… thats why he left to go meet up with Jack, remember? He made a stop along the way…. found out some info…
    Alot of Ben is a HUGE secret. All the know about him is what has been revealed. He just seems to always know.. to always have info.. he’s getting it from somewhere.
    Mikals (sp?) cabin was blown to pieces before he was going to let jack and ole two faced go. You dont think that he was going to let them take the sub, go on their merry way and not check up on them? Oh, he has a way to find out whats going on out there still…….

  350. Hammer says:

    Good point Julie, the LG also had communications ala Penny/Charlie exchange…I’m out…got an hour ride home…maybe back on later.

  351. Julie says:

    [quote comment="185738"]Good point Julie, the LG also had communications ala Penny/Charlie exchange…I’m out…got an hour ride home…maybe back on later.[/quote]

    Ha! See, we’re smart cookies! Wow, I just sounded like the mom of a 3yo. LOL!
    Anyhow, you guys take care.. I’m out too. Get off in 20min and have to report to hair and makeup for a shoot in 35… in rush hour!! WOOHOO!
    I’ll check this out when I get home if its not to late and the kiddo isn’t to psycho!
    Laters!

  352. Sunny says:

    Ok, i’m new here but i did read all of the posts, took a while, but it was worth it, a lot of interesting theories.

    I do think Kate is pregnant we know what a big liar she is, she has had that pregnancy in her mind for a while, he told Sawyer she’s not pgnt, she wouldn’t be Kate if she have had tell the truth!

    There is no other logical explanation for her to be so desperate to get out of the island, she knows the federals will be expecting her at the time of her arrival, is she really in a hurry to go to jail?

    I think she could have a miscarriage later… but definitely Claire and Aaron are in some kind of danger, that’s why Charlie told Hurley, “they need you”…

    I wonder why if Daniel has short memory problems, why send him there?

    You’ve talked about time traveling and “island time” and “real world time”, i don’t think we have enough proof of this events happening, i think it would be too much for the story, and so far, we’ve been shown fast forwards and flash backs, those are not time traveling by any meaning…

    Did someone noticed when f/f of Daniel crying watching the news, the nurse seems a lot like juliet! her face is not showing, but u can tell!

  353. c_k says:

    [quote comment="185509"]Could the 3.2 million be the amount of the settlement the O6 each received in the future and Miles knew it ?[/quote]
    or maybe it the amount what all the families of the 815 passengers got, after all the world thinks their dead, that Ben somehow conned Miles out of who lost a relative on 815 passenger, or a trust fund amount that Ben has stolen and Miles share is 3.2million !!

  354. lola says:

    [quote comment="185254"]I just remembered. At the end of Season 3 Kate tells Jack she has to go home back to him “because you know how he gets.” Jack must have had contact with Aaron.[/quote]
    no, she said he will be wondering where i am

  355. lola says:

    [quote comment="185344"]At the end of season three, doesn’t Jack see that someone died when he reads the newspaper? Maybe that is all coming full circle now with the coffin (?)

    Also, if Kate goes to Tunisia as we saw in a previous episode does that mean that some if not all of these flash forwards are 10 yrs ahead (since she isnt even allowed to leave the state for 10 yrs as part of her probation, let alone leave the country.) Just a couple thoughts…[/quote]
    kate didn’t go to tunisia-charlotte did

  356. skweez says:

    It seems to me that Kate would be well aware that people “back home” would know who she was and know what she did. Therefore, this take me to the scene when Miles communed with Naomi’s body and came back and said, “she’s was telling the truth, they didn’t kill her”. I think Kate believes Miles received more info from Naomi other than who she was killed by. So, I think Kate may have had some “secret” conversations with Naomi and also think this ties into the breakfast that she had with Ben. That is why she went through all of the trouble to make the meet happen with Ben and Miles.

  357. lola says:

    [quote comment="185695"]Just an observation: Why do any of us really CARE who the “Oceanic Six” are? I mean obviously this show is very effective at misleading the viewers, always intentionally to make us think of things that could be and accept things that may not be. My point is, knowing Ben can at least come and go as he pleases, why should we even concern ourselves with who the six are? IF it,s Jack, Kate, Sayid and Hurley and two others than fine, but that does not at all prove to us that no one else survives OR escapes OR dies on the island. I love this show and have watched from the beginning but I’m starting to get a little frustrated with these occassional topics that we all obsess about, get some hints towards and then eventually we get no answers to. (Smoke monster, Des’s visions, Jack’s bizzare tattoos, the numbers etc. So how about it! Thoughts on not who the six ARE, but their RELEVANCE? Great Blog guys keep it up by the way always fun to read everyones opinions.[/quote]
    we care because the revealing of the oceanic 6 leads us towards the resolution of the show-i would rather discuss these “mysteries” rather that some of the RIDICULOUS theories ie-the baby having down syndrome? or kate having a child from being raped by her step-father? i’m pretty sure she would be showing by now. also, i do apologize for correcting a couple of you-but are some of you even paying attention to what you are watching? finally if i may for those of you who don’t think aaron is claire’s aaron-isn’t it rather obvious?

  358. LOST CHICK says:

    [quote comment="185559"][quote comment="185241"]kate has a REALLY nice house for a person on trial for murder, arsenic, robbery, grand theft auto, and like 20 other things i don’t remember.
    [/quote]

    Thanks for pointing out. I thought the same thing about the house, nanny/housekeeper, her “look” which may all end up being important as things are determined.[/quote]

    Doesn’t she have money from the settlement to afford these things?

  359. Rita says:

    [quote comment="185745"]Ok, i’m new here but i did read all of the posts, took a while, but it was worth it, a lot of interesting theories.

    I do think Kate is pregnant we know what a big liar she is, she has had that pregnancy in her mind for a while, he told Sawyer she’s not pgnt, she wouldn’t be Kate if she have had tell the truth!

    There is no other logical explanation for her to be so desperate to get out of the island, she knows the federals will be expecting her at the time of her arrival, is she really in a hurry to go to jail?

    I think she could have a miscarriage later… but definitely Claire and Aaron are in some kind of danger, that’s why Charlie told Hurley, “they need you”…

    I wonder why if Daniel has short memory problems, why send him there?

    You’ve talked about time traveling and “island time” and “real world time”, i don’t think we have enough proof of this events happening, i think it would be too much for the story, and so far, we’ve been shown fast forwards and flash backs, those are not time traveling by any meaning…

    Did someone noticed when f/f of Daniel crying watching the news, the nurse seems a lot like juliet! her face is not showing, but u can tell![/quote]
    Good thoughts!
    I agree that Kate is/was pregnant. I also agree that Charlie meant Claire and Aaron when he said “they need you” to Hurley – it was them that he gave his life for. It would only be them he would “come back” for.
    The time shifting ideas were discussed in some detail on the “economist” blog, with our resident scientists (like Laura et al). You’re right that we don’t have absolute proof yet, but altogether it does look likely or at least highly probable. It also seems likely (or highly probable) that the others/Dharma could do some teleportation too (the polar bear in Tunesia, the #15 bunny). Pretty heady stuff, but good (and fun!) theories.

  360. Circus Mom says:

    Aaron is Claires baby and Kate is raising him. The courts would let Kate reise him, until or unless she id found guilty, if all the survivors said it was Clairs wish, which means Claire was one of the 8 but not one of the O6. They probably said she died in childbirth.

    Clair had no family that would want Aaron, except perhaps Jack, if he knew. He mother was in a coma and the babies father had left her because she was pregnant. If Jack did know he could have given custody to Kate.

    We were told that Sayed was the fourth of the O6 revieled and that another would be reveiled last night so they are obviously counting Aaron, who would get a settlement as Claires heir. Familys of the other 316 who “died in the crash” would also get settlements. Theirs might be smaller.

    #249 I agree about the polls. I read every comment and am on #328. There are currently 351 in less than 24 hours and I have only seen about 5 or 6 origional ideas. Far more “I think” than actual debate.

    #280 Of course the baby looks different. Filming schedules are not in real time but babies grow.

    #325 I love lost. I know why you love lost, but question having a 3 year old watch it. It could give him a very messed up view of how people should and do act. I hope you have discussions with him about things like why it is bad for Sayed to shoot guns for Jack.

  361. Sunny says:

    hey lola losen up…you don’t have to be judgemental.
    we’re all expressing our thoughts an ideas, and if you consider them “riduculous”, that is not our problem, you don’t like it, as easy as closing the window.

    please show some respect.

  362. UCLA_Bruin says:

    Did anyone catch what that fat guy yelled at Kate when she got out of the car to the courtroom with all of the paparazzi? I replayed it back and forth and it sounded like, “where’s john locke?” but can’t confirm…don’t know if closed caption caught it or not.

    I went back and listened, didnt sound like “wheres john locke” i couldnt tell what he was sayin to be honest but i dont think it was “whers john lock”

  363. Rita says:

    Clair had no family that would want Aaron, except perhaps Jack, if he knew. He mother was in a coma and the babies father had left her because she was pregnant. If Jack did know he could have given custody to Kate.

    We were told that Sayed was the fourth of the O6 revieled and that another would be reveiled last night so they are obviously counting Aaron, …
    Circus Mom: What about Claire’s aunt? Also, not sure about the revealing of another O6er last night. Where did you get that one would be revealed? I don’t think Aaron is an O6er.
    Not sure why comments that begin with “I think” aren’t really debate. They are part of a discussion anyway. People come in at different times and respond to earlier posts, so because they are so “out of order”, it looks like we keep coming back to earlier ideas, but maybe it’s just that the discussion wasn’t completed yet with new, or just coming online, bloggers. I have seen ideas that I posted earlier brought up later by someone else, which I take to mean that no one was ready to discuss it earlier, but feel like it now. With so many people coming in at different times, not sure how we could really do it differently.

  364. Reid Hays says:

    I would guess that Sun and Jin are the other 06ers. Reason: There is a blog on a Hawaii Newspaper that follows filming locations and actors etc. Someone took a picture on set of Jin purchasing a stuffed Panda which I assumed was for their baby. Any thoughts on this. Anyways the blog was on http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com and the pic was posted sometime last fall durring filming.

  365. Rita says:

    [quote comment="185667"]I will have to go back and check but I believe Kate’s mom said it has been four years since I thought you were dead (meaning the crash)so at least in off island time, there could have been plenty of time for Kate to have had a baby (though not this one, this one is Claaron for sure). The public could plausibly believe this is her baby.
    Those who noted that we don’t get to see the left side of Claaron’s face could be on to something. I was thinking about the other’s marking people. Could Claaron have been marked? Just thinking out loud.[/quote]
    OK, I went back and watched it again and I was wrong about what Kate’s mom said. She actually said “everything changed after I thought you were dead”, and “for the last for years they have told me I had six months to live). That four years had to start then at least when Kate was visiting her in the hospital in her flashback (of undetermined time ago). Sorry for the error.

  366. jaime says:

    The book that Locke brought to Ben was Philip K. Dick’s “VALIS” , an acronym for
    Vast Active Living Intelligence System.

    not sure where Barbara got her information on the title of the book but my information is straight from this website

    The book that Swayer was reading was “The Invention of Morel” about a fugitive hiding on a deserted island

  367. Reid Hays says:

    Here’s the link during filming on Oct 2007. There is a pic of Jin coming out of a toy store in Korea with a big stuffed panda (for his baby?).

    http://blogs.honoluluadvertiser.com/lostinhawaii.php?blog=23&page=1&disp=posts&paged=5

  368. dukewm says:

    [quote comment="185726"][quote comment="185724"]At the end of this episode, on the credits it says 2 yr old boy, not Aaron, played by William Blanchette. So the age thing is settled but why is he referred to as just 2 yr old boy?[/quote]
    The writer are always one step ahead of us ’cause they know what we do. Most likely intentional to be vague then watch us scramble like rats looking for cheese.[/quote]

    Right on Hammer! They probably read this site (or have a Staff Member read it) and laugh their asses off in Monday morning meetings.

  369. Rita says:

    [quote comment="185779"]Here’s the link during filming on Oct 2007. There is a pic of Jin coming out of a toy store in Korea with a big stuffed panda (for his baby?).

    http://blogs.honoluluadvertiser.com/lostinhawaii.php?blog=23&page=1&disp=posts&paged=5%5B/quote%5D

    Interesting, but a bit spoiler-esque perhaps?

  370. Sunny says:

    right dukewm… we’re giving them clues on which way NOT to go….

  371. Rita says:

    Hammer and Dukewm: I laughed so hard at the image of us “scrambling like rats looking for cheese”. Sounds pretty accurate!

  372. lostaddict says:

    #360: When I was talking about Aaron looking different I meant that the two year old Aaron looked like he may possibly have Down Syndrome — whereas before whenever we have seen him as a baby you would never think that he has Down Syndrome. I know babies grow – I’ve had three.

  373. Angel says:

    [quote comment="185174"]Ok, who i think might be in the coffin (and this is a stretch) is…. Juliet’s sister.[/quote]

    I dont think so cuz why would Jack go visit her and remember that nobody else went to the funeral.

  374. dukewm says:

    WOW! People are babbling. 370 posts in 22 hours.

    Aarons age (2.5 – 3 yrs apparently) isn’t significant in relation to ANY time discrepancy theories. We don’t know WHEN Kates Trial has taken place or HOW LONG the O6 have been back.

    Obviously the Writers are VERY clever at giving us clues that are related to earlier Eps and future Eps while revealing only enough for viewers to piece together all kinds of theories (sensible and wild).

    Enjoy the ride!

  375. withoutsee says:

    i find it odd that everyone in the flash forward is able to believe that kate has had a child on the island, considering she was not pregnant when taken into custody before the sept 22nd flight. in regards to the timeline, this could be a hint that the oceanic 6 are on the island for a considerable amount of time for kate to make a convincing story (5-6 months, at least?).

  376. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="185745"]
    You’ve talked about time traveling and “island time” and “real world time”, i don’t think we have enough proof of this events happening, i think it would be too much for the story, and so far, we’ve been shown fast forwards and flash backs, those are not time traveling by any meaning…

    [/quote]
    First, welcome newbie.

    Next, I know it’s not definitive proof (yet), but Desmond’s episode after he turn the key in the hatch is widely accepted as time travel. It clearly was not an FF or an FB.

  377. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="185770"]Did anyone catch what that fat guy yelled at Kate when she got out of the car to the courtroom with all of the paparazzi? I replayed it back and forth and it sounded like, “where’s john locke?” but can’t confirm…don’t know if closed caption caught it or not.

    I went back and listened, didnt sound like “wheres john locke” i couldnt tell what he was sayin to be honest but i dont think it was “whers john lock”[/quote]
    To me it sounds like “Where’s your” then it sounds like something that starts with an H.

  378. Angel says:

    [quote comment="185283"]Firstly, someone earlier left a comment on how old Aaron could be. He couldn’t be 4 or why would he still be in a crib. I believe when Jack came to her rescue at the courthouse, this took place before the first time we saw them together at the airport where he was a raving lunatic and insisted they had to go back to the island. She said she wouldn’t but was going home to her husband. No husband showed up at the trial. Only Aaron was asked to be a character witness? at two? at four? I think Kate needed that boy for whatever reason, whether it was Claire’s Aaron or her own, that’s what gave her purpose and a chance to get out of trouble.[/quote]

    I dont think she ever said that she was going to her husband. she said something like he is going to wonder where i am which could be her son.

  379. UCLA_Bruins says:

    Okay this might be something that is very obvious to everyone else or has been pointed out long back, but I realized it last night watching…

    It seems to me that the flashforwards are getting less into the future. When the flash forwards first start at the end of season 3, we see that Jack is basically a druggy intent on going back to the island. He says that he “is tired of lying” (assuming that the lying is this whole deal with there being only 8 ppl that survived the crash, similar to what he said at Kate’s trial.)

    Also, I dont think Kate is referring to Aaron when she says “He will be wondering where I am.” Why would a 3 yr old kid be wondering something like that? I mean in my opinion it sounds like it would be someone else, but idk.

    Lastly Kate says “why would i want to go to that” referring to the funeral of whoever Jack reads in the newspaper. If it was Sayid who was dead as some ppl have said, why would Kate NOT want to go to his funeral?

    I know a lot of this is based on the finale from last season but what do you guys think?

  380. Lostie says:

    They did not seem to address during the trial that Kate is a mother, or how that came to be. The lawyer asked to put her son on the witness stand, which she refused. But, if her son is Aaron, Claire’s son, then she must have brought him back as a “survivor” of the crash or as a baby she had on the island, or she became pregnant on the island and had the baby once they were rescued. Jack did say, on the witness stand, that there were 8 survivors of the crash in the version of events that is public and I guess 6 were rescued of the 8. I would think that he would say as a character witness that she is so good to be raising a child that was born after the crash. My guess is that it would be hard for an convict to be rescued then adopt a baby once their back home thru conventional means.

    My theory- Kate does get pregnant on the island and when they are rescued she claims that she is pregnant with Jack’s baby to the public but they both know its Sawyer’s. That is why he refuses to see the baby. That’s also why the lawyer asks Jack if he loves Kate and he says “not anymore” to explain why he is not apart of the baby’s life.

  381. Trisk says:

    I haven’t seen this yet, but it’s pretty likely-seeming to me that Claire remains on the island long enough to give birth – Jack would be all the doctor she had, as well as Juliet – it’d be likely that he witnessed her birth and subsequent probable death. With Juliet there, they might have had a chance at doing something – perhaps having to choose between saving baby or mother. If Jack had to choose to sacrifice Claire, Aaron would remind him of that. Kate would likely take him in – etc y tal, there you have it.

  382. Freckles says:

    I agree w/ some posters that say Sun will be one of the O6. She is one of the last “two eggs”. Maybe Kate is the other egg. Kate really doesn’t want to leave the island but is forced to do so in order to save her baby. I think the $3.2M may be divided up by the Miles, Charlotte, Frank, and Danny. Hence the reason why Miles says, “I’ll take care of Charlotte”.

  383. theno1katzman says:

    The episode starts on Locke’s eye. Lots of episodes start with a frame of one of the character’s eyes. This must mean something.

  384. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="185731"]
    Then why not credit it as 2 Year Old Aaron or Toddler Aaron? Why leave out the word Aaron? To be vague I say.[/quote]
    Yes to be vague, but also to avoid spoilers. Last season D&C got aggravated with the amount of information that got leaked, especially about “Through the Looking Glass”, depsite their best attempts to keep the whole thing secret. If the person hired to type up the credits for “Eggtown” sees “Two-year-old Aaron”, that info would hit the internet right away and be hot topic on the various spoiler sites.

  385. Rita says:

    [quote comment="185802"]I agree w/ some posters that say Sun will be one of the O6. She is one of the last “two eggs”. Maybe Kate is the other egg. Kate really doesn’t want to leave the island but is forced to do so in order to save her baby. I think the $3.2M may be divided up by the Miles, Charlotte, Frank, and Danny. Hence the reason why Miles says, “I’ll take care of Charlotte”.[/quote]
    I think you are on to something. I can’t see naming an episode after one breakfast egg scene. More likely is about fertility.

  386. Trixanna says:

    When they called the freighter last night, did anyone else think it was odd that she said there was an emergency number to use? I believe if it wasn’t a signal or code of some sort, she would never have divulged the fact there was another number to call. Seriously, if I had an emergency number to use to safe myself if needed, I would NOT let it out! I am surprised I haven’t read anything in the blog regarding this yet…. and it took me ALL day to read the posts. Loved it!!!

  387. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="185805"]Yes to be vague, but also to avoid spoilers. Last season D&C got aggravated with the amount of information that got leaked, especially about “Through the Looking Glass”, depsite their best attempts to keep the whole thing secret. If the person hired to type up the credits for “Eggtown” sees “Two-year-old Aaron”, that info would hit the internet right away and be hot topic on the various spoiler sites.[/quote]
    Yeah, that’s my point. It’s not a spoiler if Aaron is Claaron because right now they are leading us to believe he is Claaron. So be vague to create the perception that it would be a spoiler. Is that confusing?

  388. Circus Mom says:

    328 Shannon was also killed by Anna Lucia and the Marshall was shot by Sawyer.

  389. hood55 says:

    if it has been 4 years ago clairs child will look older not a 2 1/2 year old child. i think it is kate’s child

  390. withoutsee says:

    [quote comment="185805"][quote comment="185731"]
    Then why not credit it as 2 Year Old Aaron or Toddler Aaron? Why leave out the word Aaron? To be vague I say.[/quote]
    Yes to be vague, but also to avoid spoilers. Last season D&C got aggravated with the amount of information that got leaked, especially about “Through the Looking Glass”, depsite their best attempts to keep the whole thing secret. If the person hired to type up the credits for “Eggtown” sees “Two-year-old Aaron”, that info would hit the internet right away and be hot topic on the various spoiler sites.[/quote]

    until this season they never seemed to pay too much attention at how much the beginning credits gave away minor details. i remember when i saw Malcom David Kelley’s name in the season 3 finale and kinda rolled my eyes at how spoiled i felt. following suit, some main actors names often reflected on whether they were in that episode or not.

    however, this season, Harold Perrineau’s name has been there thus far w/o any appearances, seemingly intentional, i suppose to create an element of surprise when he does show up

  391. Lostie says:

    [quote comment="185802"]I agree w/ some posters that say Sun will be one of the O6. She is one of the last “two eggs”. Maybe Kate is the other egg. Kate really doesn’t want to leave the island but is forced to do so in order to save her baby. I think the $3.2M may be divided up by the Miles, Charlotte, Frank, and Danny. Hence the reason why Miles says, “I’ll take care of Charlotte”.[/quote]

    I think Freckles is on to something to… Why would Jack not be willing to see the real Aaron (Claire’s son) but is willing to see Kate and Hurley. Kate had to have a kid. I agree with the person that said that Kate really shouldn’t have wanted to leave the island too. Miles told her that and she made it a point to find out what her knew about her- as if she wanted to decide for herself if she really wants to be rescued. The only reason she would want to go would be to save her baby.

  392. ghostrider says:

    Kate’s trip through the criminal justice system in this episode doesn’t make any sense. Having some background in California criminal jurisprudence, I can assure you that California state prosecutors would never have gotten close to a notorious federal fugitive like Kate Austen. She would have been held in a federal facility, then arraigned before a federal Magistrate Judge and then tried in U.S. District Court with jurisdiction over Iowa where her crimes were committed. The producers could have easily replaced the Great Seal of the State of California with a U.S. Department of Justice Seal and taken out the California state flag (the one with the red stripe and the bear). Additionally, it seems totally implausible that an aggressive young prosecutor, state or federal, would have folded like that just because Kate’s Mom was reluctant to testify. From past episodes we know that there are, what, maybe a dozen or so witnesses to Kate’s federal crimes (like the bank robbery)? Those prosecutors are on the lookout for The Case that will make them famous, so they can run for Congress, or Mayor of New York, or President. Further, you don’t make a deal with any prosecutor and then simply head for the exit in the parking garage like that. There’s paperwork, you know. Also, the defense doesn’t go first, the prosecution does.

    But hey, it’s a great TV show.

  393. hood55 says:

    if it has been 4 years clairs child will look older not a 2 1/2 year old child. i think it is kate’s child……

    what do you guys think………………….

  394. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="185793"]Next, I know it’s not definitive proof (yet), but Desmond’s episode after he turn the key in the hatch is widely accepted as time travel. It clearly was not an FF or an FB.[/quote]

    Hmmm. Interesting. I totally saw it as the precursor to his visions, seeing himself and losties in other situations… like connecting with them in a dream before having visions of their futures.

    I may have to look that episode up online and watch it with different eyes!

    : ) P

  395. skweez says:

    [quote comment="185821"][quote comment="185793"]Next, I know it’s not definitive proof (yet), but Desmond’s episode after he turn the key in the hatch is widely accepted as time travel. It clearly was not an FF or an FB.[/quote]

    I just looked at the episode online, “Flashes Before Your Eyes”. I always thought that he was dreaming, but after re-watching, it seems that he did “travel” to a pivotal point in time before he entered the armed forces.

  396. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="185819"]if it has been 4 years clairs child will look older not a 2 1/2 year old child. i think it is kate’s child……

    what do you guys think………………….[/quote]
    There’s been a lot of people talking about 4 years, but I think there’s a misunderstanding.

    Kate’s mother said the doctors have been telling her for 4 years that she has 6 months to live. Back in season 1, Kate went to visit her mother in the hospital because she was supposedly dying. That occurred 1 or 2 years before the plane crash. Her visit to her mother in the hospital occurred before the bank robbery, before her marriage, and before her trip to Australia. So the timing of Kate’s flashforwards in this episode were 2 or 3 years after the plane crash. In other words Claire’s son Aaron would be 2 or 3 at the time of these flashbacks. This is consistent with the credits that said “Two-year-old boy” or whatever, and it’s consistent with how old the kid looked in that final scene.

  397. Miss Kim says:

    I’ve read through the posts….good theories. Didn’t see this noted, but I certainly may have missed it: Aaron called Kate “Mummy”….with an austrailian accent….

  398. dukewm says:

    Think about it:
    Jack told Kate in the cab scene at the end that he “didn’t mean it” referring to his testimony that he didn’t love her anymore.

    Love is a POWERFUL emotion.

    Kate then said “I know why you don’t want to see the baby” and put the ball in his court by agreeing to meet him if he changed his mind.

    The camera then cut to Jack who looked like there was NO WAY he would go see the baby even if it did prevent him from gaining Kates affections.

    THAT’S a VERY strong reason (at least in Jacks mind). What could possibly be THAT troubling that would keep him from having the chance to truly love Kate?

    Remember I: Things aren’t always as they seem

    AND IMHO: Aaron (or Eric) HAS to be Kates son. She is obviously WAY too attached for him to NOT be her biological son. We do NOT have a confirmed date of her trial and we do NOT know how long she remained “on Island”. I tend to agree with those who believe she was lying to Sawyer and was in fact preggers and knew she had to get “off Island” to save HER baby.

    I guess Jack just can’t stand to accept Sawyers kid even if it meant he could have Kate.

    Remember II: Michael & Walt could be 2 of the O6. All we know (as if they haven’t beaten us over the head with this) is Jack, Kate, Hurley and Sayid. There really shouldn’t be too much argument about that. I didn’t even want to mention it AGAIN.

    This Blog is a “Monster” (Smokey) with some who read before posting and some who don’t. I guess we’ll all have to accept that and just enjoy the comments. (wish I could speed read)

  399. dukewm says:

    Anyone know Regina’s last name? (bracelet R.G.)
    (Can’t remember if this has been discussed B4)

  400. dukewm says:

    How is Miles gonna’ enjoy that “breakfast”?

  401. DocH says:

    [quote comment="185268"]
    [quote comment="185157"]
    Anyone catch the Xanadu reference: aka Hurley’s video pick. In mythos… Xanadu is a mysterious city concealed….
    [/quote]
    This is a little obsessive, but just to be clear…even if the Xanadu reference were some sort of relevant clue…

    F.Y.I. We can read Wikipedia on our own time. This is a blog, not a re-blog.
    [/quote]

    Yeah… thanks there pumpkin. It is obsessive. Tossed it out there because was relevant to the show (IAW the ROE here), as I perceived it, just 1.5 hours after the show. They always toss fodder out like that to chew on. No one else brought it into play. Hence the blog! vice re-blog. Didn’t wiki it either… Googled ‘Xanadu mythos’ and caught the non-wiki ref on the first page.
    Others – Shangri-La is the fictional, novel, Hollywood equiv of the purported ‘real’ Xanadu in Tibetan mythos.

    See You Next Thursday RobUcus. I stand by record here.

  402. Found says:

    Doesn’t anyone else think that it’s strange that no one ever gets through to Minkowski. He either can’t come to the phone or won’t answer the phone, or they say if He answers then hang up…
    (2) Different theories: (1) Minkowski is Ben’s man on the Boat and he is actually Michael and he doesn’t want any of the losties to here his voice because they will recognize it and blow his cover? (2) Minkowski is being detained by Ben’s man on the boat and is really “unavailable”.
    Also wouldn’t there be some kind of protocol for the “Rescue” Crew for checking in with the freighter on some kind of regular time schedule, to make sure that every thing is going OK? It all seems a little too “loose” in terms of an agenda, and there doesn’t appear to be any real hurry on the part of the freighter tots… like their stalling or buying time for their real plan to come together.
    And voting for my two favorite lines of all time; Locke, putting the hand grenade in Miles mouth and saying “Now this will teach you to keep your mouth shut”, and Hurley’s “you just totally Scooby-Doo’d me, didn’t you?”

  403. lost chicka says:

    [quote comment="185528"]Is it just me or when Miles asked for the 3.2 Million, did anyone else flash back to the Hanso Foundation storyline from the online “LOST Experience”? I am wondering if the rescuers and Sayid’s german girlfriend are somehow related to that storyline.[/quote]

    yep. joop (is that the monkey’s name?) is her boss.

  404. nicunurse says:

    [quote comment="185826"][quote comment="185819"]if it has been 4 years clairs child will look older not a 2 1/2 year old child. i think it is kate’s child……

    what do you guys think………………….[/quote]
    There’s been a lot of people talking about 4 years, but I think there’s a misunderstanding.

    Kate’s mother said the doctors have been telling her for 4 years that she has 6 months to live. Back in season 1, Kate went to visit her mother in the hospital because she was supposedly dying. That occurred 1 or 2 years before the plane crash. Her visit to her mother in the hospital occurred before the bank robbery, before her marriage, and before her trip to Australia. So the timing of Kate’s flashforwards in this episode were 2 or 3 years after the plane crash. In other words Claire’s son Aaron would be 2 or 3 at the time of these flashbacks. This is consistent with the credits that said “Two-year-old boy” or whatever, and it’s consistent with how old the kid looked in that final scene.[/quote]
    Wow…didn’t I say all that like 150 posts ago? this board is ridiculous….no one is reading other posts and just going on and on and on…I want to get back to last week’s posts when people actually read what others said before they rambled and rerambled and rerambled….what do you say, laura and doch and lost chica and circus mom?
    I am done until next week when, hopefully people will actually read before they speak

  405. mysticlife says:

    I think the deal with 8 survived the crash but 2 died. Is really the plan of whom ever got the 6 off the island. I think they were told to say the things they are in public.
    remeber hurley said they need to go back.?
    Just a thought– but i think its a plan the airlines has or who ever involed in it..

  406. mysticlife says:

    sorry also i think that all the rest are still on the island waiting for help to come/

  407. DocH says:

    My big question is how they keep getting in and out of the Barracks.

    I thought the big electronic fence surrounded the whole place. Kate saw Juliet punch in the code, but I don’t think she saw the code.

    I know Ben knows the code. Did they get him to open it? I don’t think he’d give it up. Danielle may know it. Juliet is still back with Jack.

    There are several tunnels under the barracks. They may have gained entry that way.

    Else-wise, the fence is down. But Smokey could get in easily then.

  408. PreviouslyOnLost says:

    Maggie – 322 – Dont stop watching! It frustrates me but I LOVE it haha

    Julie – 325 – Great post! I love the passion for lost and demanding an intelligent fan base is why its such a great show to begin with! Also, did you have your baby onm the island? Is that why you let them watch Lost?

    Lola – 357 – Don’t really think it will lead to the resolution of the show but I didn’t say I dont want to discuss it either! Just wanted to step back and think “ok WHY do we all obsess about this!”

    Thanks everyone for responding! I might as well add my two cents about the O6 now that I started this ha: Jack, Hurley, Kate, Sayid, JIN and Sawyer.

    (There is a theory me and a couple friends have been developing about how the “bad” Losties may be the ones ending up working for Ben. I know lots of you have mentioned that too which would show maybe a connection between sayid, kate, sawyer and jin, all who have skills that Ben may find valuable in his quest to eliminate Dharma and whoever else gets in his way. They all have killed, lied stolen cheated and been easily commanded to do evil things. Interesting at least!

  409. DocH says:

    Wow…didn’t I say all that like 150 posts ago? this board is ridiculous….no one is reading other posts and just going on and on and on…
    YES – YOU DID.
    STRIKE THE RIDICULOUS – JUST NEW, UNDISCIPLINED VOICES. TRAINING RQD.

    I want to get back to last week’s posts when people actually read what others said before they rambled and rerambled and rerambled… what do you say, laura and doch and lost chica and circus mom?
    TOEKNEE & HAMMER TOO. HONEST BROKERS BOTH.
    (AND A DOZEN OTHERS).

    Many LOST blogs have withered away since last May. Folks need an outlet – here we are.

  410. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="185885"]
    Wow…didn’t I say all that like 150 posts ago? this board is ridiculous….no one is reading other posts and just going on and on and on…I want to get back to last week’s posts when people actually read what others said before they rambled and rerambled and rerambled….what do you say, laura and doch and lost chica and circus mom?
    I am done until next week when, hopefully people will actually read before they speak[/quote]
    Wow is right. Is all that anger directed towards me? If so, I apologize for repeating a portion of what you said. Lord knows I’m one who complains about repeated comments. But apparently hood55 was not understanding the 4-year comment that Kate’s mother made, being that he/she asked the same question twice (comments 389 and 393). I suppose I could have spent a half hour going back and rereading the previouis 388 comments to find your post, but instead I chose to write a quick (although apparently rambling) response. My mistake for choosing to go by the 6th rule (be kind and helpful) as opposed to the first rule (no need to say something that’s already been said).

  411. pistols says:

    [quote comment="185174"]Ok, who i think might be in the coffin (and this is a stretch) is…. Juliet’s sister.[/quote]

    No! Why would you think that? I am 100% convinced that the person in the coffin is Rose. Before the island she had cancer- it vanished while on the island, so if she gets off it would still be there. Also, she had no other family and a strong connection with Jack. Yep.

  412. TanziTwo says:

    I thought we gave up on using the C-word (coffin) for now.

  413. RGS says:

    Ok, I have read a bunch of posts, I give the ok for some of you to use my “safe phrase” at the end of your posts with your whacked out theories. In fact, you can abbreviate it, “SRTR4K” cuz I know it can be a lot to type out.

    Claaron…having down’s syndrome? Stop it! I can’t believe what comes out of you sicko’s minds! (J/k…sorta).

    Yep, I think Kate has taken custody of Aaron. I don’t think he was stolen. I think that’s why the lawyer wanted him in the court.

    Obligatory coffin comment, it HAS to be a male, the article talked about a man committing suicide, no?

    Flashforwards, I too think they are going in reverse chronological. Regardless whatever way they are going, the writer’s stated that it is a consistent flow (more on the writer’s later) as it would create too much confusion to do otherwise.

    I agree with post that stated the Freightors all have a common mission, but are not all aware of the specifics of each other.

    My thought on why Miles is chosen is because the person sponsoring the freightors wants information from Ben, dead or alive. If he’s dead Miles can get the information from him, even if a dead Ben was reluctant to give it up (Miles got the money out of the wall from the dead drug dealer, and that is information one would think the ghost would not want to give up).
    In addition, I think Miles is just after a payday.

    I know some of you have different standards as to what is considered a spoiler. Fine. What I don’t understand is how people could NOT read up on the interviews that Ent. Weekly does with the head writers. They attempt to clear up some questions in those, and could prevent posts that address theories that they have eliminated (alternate realities for one). I mean as much as we theorize, it seems like we’d want to go to the horse’s mouth for answers, as opposed to being “Locke’d on” (*ba doom ting*) to our own theories.

    My take on the interviews seems to indicate that, although Lost IS complex, it’s not going to have “totally crazy” as a solution. The writers repeatedly talk about how they aren’t taking into account a number of nuances that we come up with. Go sell crazy somewhere else.

    I do admit that they are coy in the interviews so things aren’t totally str8forward, however I try to put myself in their position, and they are playing it similar to how I would, in giving us the answers w/o “giving” them to us. (I know crazy, and I just asked folks to sell it somewhere else).

    Sorry for the long post, haven’t been able to get on for awhile and wanted to get this off my chest.

  414. RGS says:

    [quote comment="185900"]My big question is how they keep getting in and out of the Barracks.

    I thought the big electronic fence surrounded the whole place.
    Else-wise, the fence is down.[/quote]

    Bingo, the fence is down. Though this hasn’t been stated ON the show, it got edited out. There is a transcript floating around that showed a scene where Sayid, Kate, and Miles approached the fence, and Mile does his chant thing and tells them that the fence is not on, and walks through it.

  415. RGS says:

    [quote comment="185838"]How is Miles gonna’ enjoy that “breakfast”?[/quote]

    Also a grenade is an “egg.” Another Eggtown reference.

  416. RGS says:

    Oh yeah finally, the bearded guy that yells at Kate as she’s going in…could that be the same guy who is in the Orchid orientation video, you have to freeze frame it at :39 secs. Looks kinda like him, sans glasses.

    That ish is hard to do too, I was so mad the first time I tried it, it was right on, but I wanted to see the other freeze frame moments and it took forever. Go knock yourself out for about 20 minutes trying to get it just right.

    It got me thinking though, are there other freeze frame moments in the other orientation videos?

  417. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="185774"]“I think” aren’t really debate. They are part of a discussion anyway. People come in at different times and respond to earlier posts, so because they are so “out of order”, it looks like we keep coming back to earlier ideas, but maybe it’s just that the discussion wasn’t completed yet with new, or just coming online, bloggers. I have seen ideas that I posted earlier brought up later by someone else, which I take to mean that no one was ready to discuss it earlier, but feel like it now. With so many people coming in at different times, not sure how we could really do it differently.[/quote]

    I was refering tocomments that state “I think _____.” restating a topic that has already been discussed and don’t have anything else. If there is a reason why or other ideas presented, than fine.

    An example would be if someone were to post now. “I think it’s Clair’s Aaron.” and nothing else.

  418. Evan says:

    Alright have at it…this whole show is based on mirror-like things…into the looking glass refers to mirrors….as for the theory for when these FF are happening, I def agree that they are happening in reverse order (ie. jack and kate is the last FF then Hurley, Sayid, Kate) so for this whole mirror idea i believe that everything is leading back up to that point where jack and kate meet and jack needs to go back…hence the mirror idea, also how people’s lives showed a distorted mirror of their lives compared to that on the island

  419. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="185919"][quote comment="185174"]Ok, who i think might be in the coffin (and this is a stretch) is…. Juliet’s sister.[/quote]

    No! Why would you think that? I am 100% convinced that the person in the coffin is Rose. Before the island she had cancer- it vanished while on the island, so if she gets off it would still be there. Also, she had no other family and a strong connection with Jack. Yep.[/quote]

    Then Jack would have said friend when the funeral director asked “friend or family.”

    Oh, and we know the person in the coffin is a man.

  420. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="185908"]Wow…didn’t I say all that like 150 posts ago? this board is ridiculous….no one is reading other posts and just going on and on and on…
    YES – YOU DID.
    STRIKE THE RIDICULOUS – JUST NEW, UNDISCIPLINED VOICES. TRAINING RQD.

    I want to get back to last week’s posts when people actually read what others said before they rambled and rerambled and rerambled… what do you say, laura and doch and lost chica and circus mom?
    TOEKNEE & HAMMER TOO. HONEST BROKERS BOTH.
    (AND A DOZEN OTHERS).

    Many LOST blogs have withered away since last May. Folks need an outlet – here we are.[/quote]

    Add RGS to the list. I’ve thought about just reading the posts from this list, but then I might miss something. And I wouldn’t be followning the rules.

    My family thinks I’m obsessed.

  421. yogamom says:

    #402 – Minkowski spoke directly to Jack in the season # finale so we have already heard his voice. Can’t be Michael avoiding other Losties.

  422. Rita says:

    dukewm #398: Those of us who have foster/adoptive children know that you can “be way too attached” to non-bio children. Kate’s attachment to Aaron in no way rules out this being a non-bio child (Claire’s).
    General thought: You never know where the next great idea will come from, maybe even from a new blogger who didn’t make the acceptable list.

  423. Chris says:

    Just happened on the website , when I was looking for a question from Eggtown regarding the baby. I mis heard the the name Aaron for Eric and was trying to figure who the Eric was a reference to. LOL I’ll be checking back regularly to clear up any other questions or maybe offer some insight or thoughts I may have.

  424. Paul says:

    I think that somewhere along the line Jack learns of what the fortune teller told Claire, that the baby must not be raised by anyone but her. That is why he cannot accept the baby, because he knows danger surrounds it if Kate is the mother. I predict there will be a decision to leave or take Aaron off the island and Kate chooses to take him when Claire dies.

  425. Rita says:

    [quote comment="186034"]I think that somewhere along the line Jack learns of what the fortune teller told Claire, that the baby must not be raised by anyone but her. That is why he cannot accept the baby, because he knows danger surrounds it if Kate is the mother. I predict there will be a decision to leave or take Aaron off the island and Kate chooses to take him when Claire dies.[/quote]
    I’m not sure that Claire will die. I suspect it will come down to something like Claire can’t leave because of the implant, or whatever they others did to her in season 1. The others (whoever they are now) will want to keep Aaron because he is special/born on the island and Claire will beg Kate to get him away from there. It will be very emotional, tearful, horrible, but Claire will stay alive on the island.

  426. jake says:

    A couple of things…
    The Oceanic 8 is obviously a fake story, but I wonder if it might have some reality to it… like that 8 people try to leave the island and only 6 make it. There is no reason Claire’s Aaron is or isn’t in the Oceanic 6. Being born on the island wouldn’t make him necessarily part of the group. In some sense he was on the plane with Claire.
    Also, and I know one person has said this before (but no one seems to be picking up on it much), the Oceanic six doesn’t mean no one else gets off the Island, just that they probably don’t get off the Island the same way.

  427. dukewm says:

    Rita (#422) – I agree, it’s just that Kates attitude adjustment would have to be severe AND why would Jack refuse to see him if Kate is willing to love him in return?

    No way Claire gives him up for ANY reason. If it IS Claires son, she must haved died.

    I still think it’s Sawyers and that’s why Jack can’t go see him. Kate just named him Aaron in memorium (which will be a horrible scene).

    Claire and Aaron make it onto the Huey per Des’ “vision”, but do they make it home or does something go horribly wrong?

    If something does happen to Claire and Aaron that would make it even more difficult for Jack, especially if he had a chance to save them. He gets pretty upset when he has something to fix and fails.

    Maybe his love for Kate will overwhelm him someday and he’ll just go see the kid.
    Who knows?

    PS: The readers/non-readers will NOT change.
    We’ll just have to put up with it or stop visiting. I’m gonna try to stop complaining.

  428. Rita says:

    dukewm #427: A mother would give up her son if she thought he was in GREAT danger otherwise. A mother would do ANYTHING to protect her son, even send him off island with someone else, if for example, someone wanted to do experiments on him (because he is “special”), or hurt him in some way. I guess we will have to wait and see. I agree that Jack’s problem with Aaron will be because he couldn’t fix whatever happens that results in a Claire/Aaron separation. He does have a savior complex. Even his dad told him he doesn’t know when to give up/quit.

  429. lost storm says:

    am I the only one who finds the painting in the last scene intriguing?

    so going back, once more, to the painting in aaron’s room:
    here’s a link to the pic on lostpedia (I hope the link goes through. if not, and if anyone’s interested, you can do a search for “bicycle” on lostpedia

    http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Talk:Eggtown#Seven_of_Spades_In_Aaron.27s_Room_-_Tarot_Interpretation

    note the playing card on the painting. either 6 or 7 of spades. so cool!

    possible connections…
    to the card memory game?
    to tarot (cf lostpedia?) interesting theory if you read it.
    to clip in orchid video?
    to the swan station and “flashes before your eyes”: when des finds himself naked in jungle after hatch implosion, he sees that pic of him and pen’ and a bicycle (although – wait, I think it may be a stationary bike, i’d have to triple check!). from lostpedia: when des is first found in hatch, he’s reading a copy of “the third policeman,” which (cf. lostpedia) supposedly references the transfer of atoms between people and bicycles. huh?? I have no idea what that means.

    okay – still lost. but now wondering in what other episodes do we see bicycles or cards….

    and thought it would be fun NOT to dwell on who’s in the coffin or whose child it is…

  430. lost storm says:

    you’ll have to click on “screencap” to see the pic of the painting

  431. TanziTwo says:

    [quote comment="186028"]
    General thought: You never know where the next great idea will come from, maybe even from a new blogger who didn’t make the acceptable list.[/quote]
    That’s the whole point… the next great idea. It has nothing to do with newbie vs. old-head. The annoyances are the austistic ones that have to blurt out every tenth comment “Time for Wapner – Time for Wapner” (Who’s in the coffin? – Who’s in the coffin?)

  432. ghostrider says:

    In America during the 1930s Great Depression an “Eggtown” was a small town, usually in the south or midwest, known by travelling salesmen as a place where the local inhabitants had no money and would attempt to trade fresh eggs for the salesmen’s goods, such as household or farm supplies, or Bibles.

    Salesmen would say to one another at the crossroads outside of such places, “Don’t waste your time, it’s just an Eggtown.”

    Just some food for thought.

  433. Love's Labour Lost says:

    [quote comment="185283"]Firstly, someone earlier left a comment on how old Aaron could be. He couldn’t be 4 or why would he still be in a crib. I believe when Jack came to her rescue at the courthouse, this took place before the first time we saw them together at the airport where he was a raving lunatic and insisted they had to go back to the island. She said she wouldn’t but was going home to her husband. No husband showed up at the trial. Only Aaron was asked to be a character witness? at two? at four? I think Kate needed that boy for whatever reason, whether it was Claire’s Aaron or her own, that’s what gave her purpose and a chance to get out of trouble.[/quote]

    First, Aaron wasn’t in a crib, he was in a toddler bed/twin bed with side rails. Secondly, Kate didn’t say she had to go home to her husband, see said something along the lines of she had “to get back to him.”

  434. Rita says:

    [quote comment="186080"]In America during the 1930s Great Depression an “Eggtown” was a small town, usually in the south or midwest, known by travelling salesmen as a place where the local inhabitants had no money and would attempt to trade fresh eggs for the salesmen’s goods, such as household or farm supplies, or Bibles.

    Salesmen would say to one another at the crossroads outside of such places, “Don’t waste your time, it’s just an Eggtown.”

    Just some food for thought.[/quote]
    Yes, Ghostrider! This is what I am looking for. I knew the title couldn’t just be about the breakfast (at least, not ONLY the breakfast). Interesting….So Kate traded Miles (to Ben)for info, Locke TRIED to trade eggs (to Ben) for info, maybe the “eggs” (Aaron) were traded for…to whom and for what?

  435. ghostrider says:

    Rita, there you go! That was where I thought this took the plot. It’s not about fertility, at least as far as the name of this terrific episode goes. It’s about trading for things that really have no lasting value.

  436. RGS says:

    [quote comment="186080"]In America during the 1930s Great Depression an “Eggtown” was a small town, usually in the south or midwest, known by travelling salesmen as a place where the local inhabitants had no money and would attempt to trade fresh eggs for the salesmen’s goods.[/quote]

    So this would confirm the information floating around that references “Eggtown” as a Great Depression (In my Peter Brady voice, “Pork chopsh, and applesaush”)slang term for bad deals. They go on to say that because of all the deals occurring in this episode, this somehow indicates that they are all bad deals.

    An interesting theory came out which throws my impression of Miles out of whack, is that he asked Ben for 3.2 million (there’s 5 zeros after the 2, so it could be code for 325 the heading that Ben told Michael to follow?) that seems to be a little bit of a stretch, because he could’ve just asked for 3.25 mil.

    Anyway, I actually came to post about how I hope the Daniel “memory issue” is more than it appears because that would be some very “loose” writing. He can remember how to assemble his “bad robot looking” homing device, but can’t remember 3 cards? He seems to recognize the Widmore name too.

  437. RGS says:

    [quote comment="186109"][quote comment="186080"]In America during the 1930s Great Depression an “Eggtown” was a small town, usually in the south or midwest, known by travelling salesmen as a place where the local inhabitants had no money and would attempt to trade fresh eggs for the salesmen’s goods.[/quote]

    So this would confirm the information floating around that references “Eggtown” as a Great Depression (In my Peter Brady voice, “Pork chopsh, and applesaush”)slang term for bad deals. They go on to say that because of all the deals occurring in this episode, this somehow indicates that they are all bad deals.

    An interesting theory came out which throws my impression of Miles out of whack, is that he asked Ben for 3.2 million (there’s 5 zeros after the 2, so it could be code for 325 the heading that Ben told Michael to follow?) that seems to be a little bit of a stretch, because he could’ve just asked for 3.25 mil.

    Anyway, I actually came to post about how I hope the Daniel “memory issue” is more than it appears because that would be some very “loose” writing. He can remember how to assemble his “bad robot looking” homing device, but can’t remember 3 cards? He seems to recognize the Widmore name too.[/quote]

    Sorry about the repeat, I started watching an episode midway through writing, and posted after I watched it.

  438. ainee says:

    shannon and boone are not half siblings.. they’re just step brother and step sister.. it’s a totally different thing

    [quote comment="185171"][quote comment="185166"][quote comment="185158"]if aaron is claires- why wouldnt jack want to see the baby??? she is his half sister so the baby is his nephew![/quote]

    I just asked about the Jack and Claire connection, but then I read your comment about them being half siblings.

    How did I miss that – I have been watching since the first season?

    When was that revealed and why do they never talk to each other as if they are related – I mean it is never mentioned.

    In the first season Shannon and I forget his name were half siblings, but Jack and Claire?

    Please help – I am really confused, and embarrassed if I missed something so important.[/quote]

    Jack and Claire don’t know they are 1/2 brother and sister. The flashbacks showed they had the same dad or something like that.[/quote]

  439. Circus Mom says:

    OK, now we are getting some good theories and debate. What else was traded ?

    Miles tried to trade Ben’s freedom for 3.2 million by promising to say he was already dead. I think Miles got his money because in “The Econimist” the were trying to find out who Sayed was working for and didn’t seem to know about Ben.

    It follows that the “them” that Miles would tell that Ben was dead would include Abaddon. At some point Abaddon wonders if Miles lied and he goes to Hurly and asks “Are they alive” So, Miles told him that many or several or all were dead.

    If this train of thought is true than…I won’t use the C word.

    So, there are losties left behind on the island but why do they need Hurley? Because he saw Jacob? Why dose Jack need to go back? Why dosn’t Kate want to go back.

    The last 20 or so posts have been so refreshing.

  440. Rita says:

    Circus Mom: yes and what else was traded? The “losties” traded a life of democracy for a what? Dictatorship under Locke? Sawyer traded (or is attempting to) his care-free life for “playing house”. Kate traded favors with Sawyer for probably the hope of a relationship. All bad deals.

  441. Rita says:

    [quote comment="186141"]Circus Mom: yes and what else was traded? The “losties” traded a life of democracy for a what? Dictatorship under Locke? Sawyer traded (or is attempting to) his care-free life for “playing house”. Kate traded favors with Sawyer for probably the hope of a relationship. All bad deals.[/quote]
    whoops, I mean Kate traded those things with Sawyer, so SHE could get his help making her other trade (Miles/Ben, to get off-island info).

  442. Omar Kamel says:

    The book that locke picks up is indeed VALIS – and it stands for (somebody already mentioned this) Vast Active Living Intelligent System.

    It’s easily one of PKD’s most brilliant books (I’m a bigtime dickhead). It’s considered the 1st part of what people loosely refer to as the ‘VALIS Trilogy’ – although it’s not quite a trilogy.

    The book is about a character who is split into two halves, essentially – one, named Horselover Fat (who we are told IS PKD himself) is a dreamer, an optimist, a believer in unknowable realities – who is contacted, or who believes he is contacted by an alien intelligence thousands of years old which starts imparting information to him, and in the process helps him save his son. The other character (referred to as the narrator, also, in effect, PKD) is the more skeptical one, who suspects that Horselover Fat has quite simply gone insane.

    I can’t immediately see how the book relates to Lost. The main theme of the book, apart from the confusion between the two main characters is an idea that Dick revisted several times in both his personal writings and his fiction and is mostly grounded in the Gnostic tradition – that ‘God’ or an analogous force has been distanced by elements on Earth hostile to him, and must therefore smuggle himself through to Earth by various means. This is what Dick often referred to as the ‘God in the Trash’ – that ‘God’ is now forces to reveal himself in the sub-strata of society, and in fact, even of capitalism. This is a god who manifests in piles of trash, in cheap tv commercials, and in strange messages to an eclectic group of people, united only by their belief in the validity of the messages they receive.

    In VALIS, Dick also sometimes names the entity Zebra – his notion here is that the entity plays with set and ground, and is prone to disguising itself so that it does not appear separate from the background. A chameleon type of God that chooses to be invisible most of the time. An invisible directive intelligent force that has an agenda, so to speak.

    Not sure if any of this is useful, just giving non-PKD readers the heads up.

  443. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="186145"]The book that locke picks up is indeed VALIS – and it stands for (somebody already mentioned this) Vast Active Living Intelligent System.

    It’s easily one of PKD’s most brilliant books (I’m a bigtime dickhead). It’s considered the 1st part of what people loosely refer to as the ‘VALIS Trilogy’ – although it’s not quite a trilogy.

    The book is about a character who is split into two halves, essentially – one, named Horselover Fat (who we are told IS PKD himself) is a dreamer, an optimist, a believer in unknowable realities – who is contacted, or who believes he is contacted by an alien intelligence thousands of years old which starts imparting information to him, and in the process helps him save his son. The other character (referred to as the narrator, also, in effect, PKD) is the more skeptical one, who suspects that Horselover Fat has quite simply gone insane.

    I can’t immediately see how the book relates to Lost. The main theme of the book, apart from the confusion between the two main characters is an idea that Dick revisted several times in both his personal writings and his fiction and is mostly grounded in the Gnostic tradition – that ‘God’ or an analogous force has been distanced by elements on Earth hostile to him, and must therefore smuggle himself through to Earth by various means. This is what Dick often referred to as the ‘God in the Trash’ – that ‘God’ is now forces to reveal himself in the sub-strata of society, and in fact, even of capitalism. This is a god who manifests in piles of trash, in cheap tv commercials, and in strange messages to an eclectic group of people, united only by their belief in the validity of the messages they receive.

    In VALIS, Dick also sometimes names the entity Zebra – his notion here is that the entity plays with set and ground, and is prone to disguising itself so that it does not appear separate from the background. A chameleon type of God that chooses to be invisible most of the time. An invisible directive intelligent force that has an agenda, so to speak.

    Not sure if any of this is useful, just giving non-PKD readers the heads up.[/quote]

    Interesting, new information, and I now want to read the book.

  444. JamieGirl says:

    Kate, Jack, Hurley, Sayid + 2…

    It was a last resort for Kate’s attorney to have Jack testify on her behalf. He seems to be her only “friend”. Hurley is institutionalized and likely cannot testify on her behalf because he is not a competent reference. Sayid apparently wasn’t called to testify on Kate’s behalf either (possible that they’re no longer “friends”) ? I actually wondered if Sayid was in the coffin, and got killed working as an assasin for Ben. The obituary said the man was found dead in his apartment. Ben told Sayid he had a new identity for him and that was unsettling for Sayid who’s response was “but they already know I am after them”…

    Whoever Oceanic survivor #5 and #6 are also haven’t been called to testify on Kate’s behalf. The prosecutor has not called anyone to defame Kate either. Therefore I would guess that the 5th & 6th Oceanic survivors are indifferent to Kate’s trial / future off the island (my guess is that Sawyer is not one of the Oceanic 6 or he would have testified for her).

    I think it is safe to say that Claire is not one of the 6 either (the whole Kate-raising-Aaron as his “Mom” is just inconceivable would Claire still be alive, my opinion).

  445. SuzySchool says:

    Along the Eggtown, Great Depression thoughts:

    Kate traded a “chance” for full freedom with the DA who gave up a conviction. Bad deal? Perhaps, but for whom? Kate or the State?

    If the FF are running backwards in time, then Sayid can’t be in the coffin and could have testified at Kate’s trial (unless I have my timelines LOST!)

    I also wonder if the DA is somehow linked to Ben. Why else would the DA give up her chance to convict Kate? Surely even without the star witness she had a strong case!

  446. SawyerFan says:

    [quote comment="185797"]They did not seem to address during the trial that Kate is a mother, or how that came to be. The lawyer asked to put her son on the witness stand, which she refused. But, if her son is Aaron, Claire’s son, then she must have brought him back as a “survivor” of the crash or as a baby she had on the island, or she became pregnant on the island and had the baby once they were rescued. Jack did say, on the witness stand, that there were 8 survivors of the crash in the version of events that is public and I guess 6 were rescued of the 8. I would think that he would say as a character witness that she is so good to be raising a child that was born after the crash. My guess is that it would be hard for an convict to be rescued then adopt a baby once their back home thru conventional means.

    My theory- Kate does get pregnant on the island and when they are rescued she claims that she is pregnant with Jack’s baby to the public but they both know its Sawyer’s. That is why he refuses to see the baby. That’s also why the lawyer asks Jack if he loves Kate and he says “not anymore” to explain why he is not apart of the baby’s life.[/quote]

    I totally agree with you, Lostie. I was going to ask if anyone other than me thought that Kate was lying to Sawyer when she told him she was “sure” she wasn’t pregnant. I also thought there must be something significant about Sawyer mentioning that they didn’t go “all the way” the night before because “she was sad”. As much as I love Sawyer, he was a bit of a rogue in that scene although I think he nailed her on the “looking for an excuse to get pissed and leave” thing before she slapped the hell out of him. Why not bring out that Kate was raising the son of a victim of the crash to make her character even more sympathetic? She is definitely passing this kid off as HER son. But why name him Aaron? That’s the only thing that doesn’t make sense to me. I find it hard to believe that the writers will let anything happen to Claire’s baby. At first I thought maybe Kate just had her son take on the identity of Aaron so the outside world wouldn’t know anything about Clair, Sawyer, and the rest of the survivors who remained or died on the island.

  447. Found says:

    [quote comment="186153"]Kate, Jack, Hurley, Sayid + 2…

    It was a last resort for Kate’s attorney to have Jack testify on her behalf. He seems to be her only “friend”. Hurley is institutionalized and likely cannot testify on her behalf because he is not a competent reference. Sayid apparently wasn’t called to testify on Kate’s behalf either (possible that they’re no longer “friends”) ? I actually wondered if Sayid was in the coffin, and got killed working as an assasin for Ben. The obituary said the man was found dead in his apartment. Ben told Sayid he had a new identity for him and that was unsettling for Sayid who’s response was “but they already know I am after them”…

    Whoever Oceanic survivor #5 and #6 are also haven’t been called to testify on Kate’s behalf. The prosecutor has not called anyone to defame Kate either. Therefore I would guess that the 5th & 6th Oceanic survivors are indifferent to Kate’s trial / future off the island (my guess is that Sawyer is not one of the Oceanic 6 or he would have testified for her).

    I think it is safe to say that Claire is not one of the 6 either (the whole Kate-raising-Aaron as his “Mom” is just inconceivable would Claire still be alive, my opinion).[/quote]

    I Believe the “new name” that Ben was referring to was his next “target” from the “list”.

  448. jebtion says:

    Circus Mom-
    In regard to your comment questioning Julie and her three year old son viewing Lost together, I read this blog to hear theories and excitement for a television show and I think it would be best to post parenting advice on another blog. Thanks

  449. skweez says:

    Could there be 2 freighters? Or am i thinking too much?

  450. Lostie says:

    I think K-Aaron is the mirror/opposite of Cl-Aaron. I still think Claire and Aaron are still on the island and that’s why Charlie told Hurley “they need you” (like a previous blogger pointed out)

  451. Lostie says:

    [quote comment="186178"]I totally agree with you, Lostie. I was going to ask if anyone other than me thought that Kate was lying to Sawyer when she told him she was “sure” she wasn’t pregnant. I also thought there must be something significant about Sawyer mentioning that they didn’t go “all the way” the night before because “she was sad”. As much as I love Sawyer, he was a bit of a rogue in that scene although I think he nailed her on the “looking for an excuse to get pissed and leave” thing before she slapped the hell out of him. Why not bring out that Kate was raising the son of a victim of the crash to make her character even more sympathetic? She is definitely passing this kid off as HER son. But why name him Aaron? That’s the only thing that doesn’t make sense to me. I find it hard to believe that the writers will let anything happen to Claire’s baby. At first I thought maybe Kate just had her son take on the identity of Aaron so the outside world wouldn’t know anything about Clair, Sawyer, and the rest of the survivors who remained or died on the island.[/quote]
    That is so true about Sawyer’s comment about not going all the way. Plus, Kate and Sawyer are con-artists- things are never what they seem with them. They are never forthright about anything- why believe Kate now. She seemed to be testing Sawyer to see his response when she said she’s not pregnant. He was ecstatic (his response was hilarious). But, she still lingered before she left like she was hiding something.

  452. Lostie says:

    does anyone remember why Claire chose the name Aaron in the first place? and, didnt Desmond say something to Charlie about a vision he had about Claire and Aaron leaving the island via helicopter only if Charlie sacrificed himself?

  453. Miraks says:

    [quote comment="185933"][quote comment="185908"]Wow…didn’t I say all that like 150 posts ago? this board is ridiculous….no one is reading other posts and just going on and on and on…
    YES – YOU DID.
    STRIKE THE RIDICULOUS – JUST NEW, UNDISCIPLINED VOICES. TRAINING RQD.

    I want to get back to last week’s posts when people actually read what others said before they rambled and rerambled and rerambled… what do you say, laura and doch and lost chica and circus mom?
    TOEKNEE & HAMMER TOO. HONEST BROKERS BOTH.
    (AND A DOZEN OTHERS).

    Many LOST blogs have withered away since last May. Folks need an outlet – here we are.[/quote]

    Add RGS to the list. I’ve thought about just reading the posts from this list, but then I might miss something. And I wouldn’t be followning the rules.

    My family thinks I’m obsessed.[/quote]
    Can I play too?

  454. Miraks says:

    [quote comment="186153"]Kate, Jack, Hurley, Sayid + 2…

    … Sayid apparently wasn’t called to testify on Kate’s behalf either (possible that they’re no longer “friends”) ? I actually wondered if Sayid was in the coffin, and got killed working as an assasin for Ben. The obituary said the man was found dead in his apartment. Ben told Sayid he had a new identity for him and that was unsettling for Sayid who’s response was “but they already know I am after them”…

    Whoever Oceanic survivor #5 and #6 are also haven’t been called to testify on Kate’s behalf. The prosecutor has not called anyone to defame Kate either. Therefore I would guess that the 5th & 6th Oceanic survivors are indifferent to Kate’s trial / future off the island (my guess is that Sawyer is not one of the Oceanic 6 or he would have testified for her).

    I think it is safe to say that Claire is not one of the 6 either (the whole Kate-raising-Aaron as his “Mom” is just inconceivable would Claire still be alive, my opinion).[/quote]
    I don’t think the man in the coffin is Sayid, as we know that the man comminted suicide- not something Sayid would do.

    The other 2 from the O6 – Jin and Sun. The reason they don’t testify is because they don’t live in the states. That is why Sun said in this episode that she wants to raise the child in KOREA.

  455. PJSander says:

    I watched the episode “live” on HD tv and rewatched through the TiVo on “regular” tv (our Tivo doesn’t record HD channels ). I say this because on the non-wide screen version of the episode, the painting in Aaron’s room, of the bicycle and seven of spades (mentioned in post #429), does not show up. You can see the edge of the painting but not enough to see the bicycle or card. I think if it were significant as far as an Easter Egg were concerned, the producers would make sure that everyone can see it, not just HD viewers.

    Regarding the toddler Aaron, I agree that his face did look a little funny the first time I watched it, but upon rewatching that clip numerous times, I think it was just a very sleepy little boy who was told to pretend to sleep for the camera and therefore scrunched his eyes closed!

    It seemed the editors were VERY careful to edit so that we did not see the left side of the child’s face though, as pointed out in a previous post. It was kind of odd, because it came close to ruining the moment with Kate. I wonder if that was intentional!?

    Regarding Daniel and Charlotte and the playing cards, is it possible that Charlotte was giving him time to “see” the cards without turning them over? Like an ESP experiment like they used to do on the dramas in the 1970′s? Trying to develop a new “power” on the island?

    : ) P

  456. Miraks says:

    Things I absolutely believe, and don’t see how/ or why people think differently.

    1- Kate, Hurley, Sayid, and Jack are 100% part of the Oceanic Six.

    2- Aaron is Claire’s child now being raised by Kate. (and no, I don’t think she stole him in any way, but my best guess is she was asked by Claire to raise him as her own)Oh, and the child does not have Down Syndrome, seriously!

    3- The person in the coffin is a MAN and the coffin is regular size. (writers said as much, why are people still arguing about it?)

  457. Miraks thank you. People please stop coming up with crappy theories. Aaron is now being raised by Kate -live with it. GREAT ending it made the so-so episode well great.

    Miraks
    Comment 456, posted 15 minutes ago – Quote and reply

    Things I absolutely believe, and don’t see how/ or why people think differently.

    1- Kate, Hurley, Sayid, and Jack are 100% part of the Oceanic Six.

    2- Aaron is Claire’s child now being raised by Kate. (and no, I don’t think she stole him in any way, but my best guess is she was asked by Claire to raise him as her own)Oh, and the child does not have Down Syndrome, seriously!

    3- The person in the coffin is a MAN an

  458. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="186205"]Circus Mom-
    In regard to your comment questioning Julie and her three year old son viewing Lost together, I read this blog to hear theories and excitement for a television show and I think it would be best to post parenting advice on another blog. Thanks[/quote]

    Point taken. It’s just a pet pieve of mine because I run a afterschool program with kids from 8 – 18. I’m used to dealing with other peoples kids. Sorry.

  459. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="186251"][quote comment="185933"][quote comment="185908"]Wow…didn’t I say all that like 150 posts ago? this board is ridiculous….no one is reading other posts and just going on and on and on…
    YES – YOU DID.
    STRIKE THE RIDICULOUS – JUST NEW, UNDISCIPLINED VOICES. TRAINING RQD.

    I want to get back to last week’s posts when people actually read what others said before they rambled and rerambled and rerambled… what do you say, laura and doch and lost chica and circus mom?
    TOEKNEE & HAMMER TOO. HONEST BROKERS BOTH.
    (AND A DOZEN OTHERS).

    Many LOST blogs have withered away since last May. Folks need an outlet – here we are.[/quote]

    Add RGS to the list. I’ve thought about just reading the posts from this list, but then I might miss something. And I wouldn’t be followning the rules.

    My family thinks I’m obsessed.[/quote]
    Can I play too?[/quote]

    Everyone can play. Let’s all just try and follow the rules.

  460. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment=”186251

    Add RGS to the list. I’ve thought about just reading the posts from this list, but then I might miss something. And I wouldn’t be followning the rules.

    My family thinks I’m obsessed.[/quote]
    Can I play too?[/quote]

    Everyone can play. Let’s all just try and follow the rules.

  461. skweez says:

    This goes out to the veterans…. Is it ok to discuss the podcasts that D&C do? I ask this because if it is, it would put to rest several of the theories discussed on this site.

  462. skweez says:

    [quote comment="186287"]This goes out to the veterans…. Is it ok to discuss the podcasts that D&C do? I ask this because if it is, it would put to rest several of the theories discussed on this site.[/quote]

    Also, what about official ABC podcasts?

  463. tickles says:

    I love Lost…but the show makes me crazy. Everytime I think I may have figured something out..the next episode blows up all my theories.
    I just want to say that I enjoy reading everyone’s theories and enjoy sharing my thoughts as well. Obviously everyone here is a fan of Lost and has their own ideas. Sometimes I get very excited and can’t wait to share my impressions with other of like mind.
    I don’t understand why people are getting upset and fuss about when people want to re-discuss old topics. 100 different people may have 100 different views of something that happened…why is one person’s veiwpoint more important than someone else’s? You may not agree with me and I may not agree with you…but perhaps that is what Lost is all about. It is a thought provoking show and incites one to use their brains. Instead of spending time complaining about other people’s post just move on…there is a real simple solution…if you don’t want to wade through 100′s of posts about the best show on TV…then don’t. I on the other hand will compulsively read everything and anything I can get my hands on which may (or may not!) help to answer some of the questions I have regarding Lost.

  464. Rita says:

    tickles: well said

  465. Tina says:

    [quote comment="186016"]#402 – Minkowski spoke directly to Jack in the season # finale so we have already heard his voice. Can’t be Michael avoiding other Losties.[/quote]
    Could be is he is employing a voice modulator.

  466. Tina says:

    On not seeing Claaron’s other side of face:
    CAMERA ANGLES people. Sometimes things are filmed in such a way to maximize dramatic effect and maintain the mystery created by the rest of the show. If the scene hadn’t been filmed quite that way, we wouldn’t have seen as much of Kate’s reaction to the kid i.e. crying etc. The theories you all come up with as to why things are done just baffle me. And down’s syndrome??! I’m almost offended by that assertion. COME ON. get real.

    I think another eggtown deal we can argue for is whatever Kate traded Claire for Aaron. We know that’s not going to work out well for her long term.

  467. Laura* says:

    This is from the economist… but Sayid traded Miles (and kind of Kate) for Charlotte.

    Kate is also kind of trading Sawyer for Jack (again!)

    It has been mentioned but I do think Kate’s pause after getting mad at Sawyer was odd. She had just slapped him! If she was really so offended by what was said (both about being pregnant was a bad thing, and then she would jump back from jack to sawyer) she would have stormed out the door and slammed it shut! Either she:
    a) is madly in love with Sawyer and hates to see him go.
    b) has some big news she is debating telling him (pregnant?)
    c) afraid she’ll never see him again (i.e. if she thinks she will be getting off the island shortly, maybe she won’t have a chance to say goodbye)

  468. nancy says:

    How about this theory:

    The six are: Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Desmond
    (because he was on the helicopter)and I would guess Sawyer, because we see that Sawyer really really deeply loves Kate.

    I think that both Sun and Claire cannot leave the island or they will die, due to the pregnancy/vaccine thing. That would make Jin remain on the island too. Maybe when Claire and Aaron were in the helicopter she gets sick and must return or die, and she gives Aaron to Kate so that he is not stuck on the island for life. That’s as far as I get with that.

    I think that Kate is definitely NOT pregnant while in bed with Sawyer, hence the no sex. Between the wine, her kissing Sawyer so lovingly in the morning, I would say she is not pregnant (has her period)but is warming to the idea of happily ever after on the island to avoid her jail fate at home. But the preganancy scare with Sawyer triggered her maternal instint and Sawyer’s happiness of her not being pregnancy, made Kate see Sawyer for what he is- selfish, and really not interested in the happily ever after- her momentary reason for staying on the island and avoiding the inevitable trial at home. After she leaves I bet Sawyer sees this (probably through Hurley’s wisdom) and Hurley and Sawyer decide last minute to join the crew to go home.

    I think Desmond’s visions are all true.

    I think that Penny ends up saving them all, Charlie’s contact with her alerted her to where they might be (or she confront her dad and thus finds Mr. Widmore’s freighter.) Maybe there is a freighter fight?

    I think that Michael and Walt are considered part of the 8. I think the scary Abadon or whatever his name is Sayid’s girlfriends’ boss, basically it is Abadon vs. Evil? Ben. I think that the settlement, Oceanic, etc. all required the gag order gave them the money and hence the lie and infamy and guilt that they have. Hurley who hates money would have only gone along for the sake of the rest of the Oceanic 6.

    Just another thought- Sun’s comment about raising the kid in Korea, Xanadu, Sawyer’s book, Ben/Locke’s book, eggs, EVERYTHING, every frame, every line of dialogue means SOMETHING. Nothing is filler.

  469. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="186302"][quote comment="186287"]This goes out to the veterans…. Is it ok to discuss the podcasts that D&C do? I ask this because if it is, it would put to rest several of the theories discussed on this site.[/quote]

    Also, what about official ABC podcasts?[/quote]
    Usually a thread is started to discuss podcasts. In the past and since the content is sometimes considered spoilerish by some people, we tried to keep the discussions separate.

  470. lost storm says:

    [quote comment="186254"]I say this because on the non-wide screen version of the episode, the painting in Aaron’s room, of the bicycle and seven of spades (mentioned in post #429), does not show up. You can see the edge of the painting but not enough to see the bicycle or card. I think if it were significant as far as an Easter Egg were concerned, the producers would make sure that everyone can see it, not just HD viewers.
    [/quote]

    Are you sure about thist? I first watched the show on my regular small tv, not HD, and saw the bike. I then watched it online, regular version not HD. Watched the end again now just to double check: it’s plain as day. If I knew how to attach a pic to this blog, I would.

  471. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="186545"]This is from the economist… but Sayid traded Miles (and kind of Kate) for Charlotte.

    Kate is also kind of trading Sawyer for Jack (again!)

    [/quote]This isn’t to crush the theory, but trading has been going on pretty much from the beginning. Just a couple examples, Danielle’s baby for being left alone?, Bea’s list for Walt, surgery for Jack/Juliette going home, etc.

  472. leah says:

    addressed to circus mom and comment number 5.Its hard enough having to put up with being four days behind the u.s.a. to watch lost .Do you know how many comments accumilate in four days!!!? If ya think im reading 469 comments so i dont “repeat theories”that have already been posted then ‘think again’. It time consuming enough workin out the plot .It would take me 4 days just to read the posts.So you ll just have to put up with the “tailies”

  473. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="186254"]I say this because on the non-wide screen version of the episode, the painting in Aaron’s room, of the bicycle and seven of spades (mentioned in post #429), does not show up. You can see the edge of the painting but not enough to see the bicycle or card. I think if it were significant as far as an Easter Egg were concerned, the producers would make sure that everyone can see it, not just HD viewers.
    [/quote]

    [quote comment="186561"]Are you sure about thist? I first watched the show on my regular small tv, not HD, and saw the bike. I then watched it online, regular version not HD. Watched the end again now just to double check: it’s plain as day. If I knew how to attach a pic to this blog, I would.[/quote]

    That’s how it was on my tv! I even watched the scene a couple of times to make sure I didn’t miss anything. Not sure how that happened!

    Tina (#466) Perhaps you got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning? When I discussed the editing of the scene with toddler Aaron, I said it seemed suspicious that it was edited the way it was. That included camera angles. One more second would have given a really sweet moment from the baby, but that second was edited out… and I was wondering WHY. NO need to get your knickers in a knot, love.

    : ) P

  474. Deangoodes says:

    Skweez-Anything given to the public by ABC or the producers can/should be touched on in this blog. The producers give helpful hints to help viewers understand what they are trying to do and what direction they are taking the show. So everyone needs to know what tidbits the powers that be have provided the public because they will go forward off of those points.

  475. skweez says:

    [quote comment="186610"]Skweez-Anything given to the public by ABC or the producers can/should be touched on in this blog. The producers give helpful hints to help viewers understand what they are trying to do and what direction they are taking the show. So everyone needs to know what tidbits the powers that be have provided the public because they will go forward off of those points.[/quote]

    Thanks.

  476. skweez says:

    Usually a thread is started to discuss podcasts. In the past and since the content is sometimes considered spoilerish by some people, we tried to keep the discussions separate.[/quote]

    Thanks Hammer. I guess I’ll just keep certain comments to myself.

  477. RGS says:

    [quote comment="186171"]
    If the FF are running backwards in time, then Sayid can’t be in the coffin and could have testified at Kate’s trial (unless I have my timelines LOST!)

    I also wonder if the DA is somehow linked to Ben. Why else would the DA give up her chance to convict Kate? Surely even without the star witness she had a strong case![/quote]

    I almost hate to do this, but what the heck. I may have to invoke my safe phrase after this. Sigh* Sayid could be in the coffin still, (but I don’t want to think that).

    If FF are going in reverse chronological it could go something like this. Picture the flashforwards on a 12 inch ruler. At the end of the ruler, they go back to the island, or whatever.

    Season 3 Finale FF would start at the 11 inch mark, and work toward the 12.

    Season 4 Ep 1 FF would start at the 10 inch mark and work toward the 11.

    S 4 Ep 2 FF would start at the 9 and work toward the 10.

    Sayid, now that his cover is blown, must fake his death to continue is work…SRTR4K.

    Hurley would not make for a good witness, because he does not seem to be good at lying, and can be Scooby Doo’d, Kate would know this and would not suggest him to be a witness.

    As far as the DA giving up the case, 1) it’s tv and the trial is not going to go as a real trial would, 2) the murder charge was their strongest charge, now that it’s gone, given what she went through, a jury could be sympathetic to Kate, the DA does not want the embarassment of a defendant that SHE herself tried, to get off scott free.

    What has happened to give Kate custody of Aaron? At some point preceding the Jack meltdown FF at the end of Season 3, Hurley, Jack, and Kate do not seem too terribly concerned about having gotten off the island, and aren’t thinking of going back. But by the same token, we know Jack “all of a sudden” is desperate to go back, and Charlie is trying to convince Hurley to go back.

    Those circumstances seem to suggest that most of other survivors chose to stay behind. If they somehow died, why would Charlie say “they need you,” why would Jack even want to go back to a deathtrap?

    If they did not choose but were coerced into staying it seems that the O6 would have a sense of urgency to get back, almost immediately, no talks of getting some coffee and hanging out.

  478. Laura* says:

    [quote comment="186171"]

    Hurley would not make for a good witness, because he does not seem to be good at lying, and can be Scooby Doo’d, Kate would know this and would not suggest him to be a witness.

    [/quote]

    Maybe this is part of the reason that Hurley was so excited to get back to Santa Rosa. He is worried that he will give it away, so by checking himself in, he is making himself less credible, and therefore it is less risky that he will say something that will implicate the deceit. If he says something like “it’s all a lie, it’s all a conspiracy!” then he most likely will not believed.

    this reminds me a bit of Hurley’s buddy with the numbers 4,8,15… who became so consumed with the drama of the numbers that that was all he could think about.

  479. Rita says:

    Laura #478: Good point and very Hurley-ish to do that, but I think he was genuinely scared about seeing Charlie and was genuinely releaved at going to the mental hospital. He sure didn’t want to “upgrade” to Abbadon’s place either.
    Hammer #471: Yes, you’re right that trades have been going on all along, but this episode seems to be all about trades, especially ones that will ultimately turn out bad. I’m thinking about the “Locke losties” who gave up their freedom to live under Locke’s dictatorship, vs the “Jack losties” who are still “free”, though equally lost. Will there be some sort of confrontation eventually, or an all out war?

  480. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="186634"]Usually a thread is started to discuss podcasts. In the past and since the content is sometimes considered spoilerish by some people, we tried to keep the discussions separate.[/quote]

    Thanks Hammer. I guess I’ll just keep certain comments to myself.[/quote]
    Don’t sweat it, I happen to agree with Deangoodes that if it’s published or podcasted by official Lost means…than it’s not a spoiler. Some feel that previews are spoilerish. I often use what was said by them to reinforce points. You’ll just get some complaints.

  481. Jennifer says:

    I think that the reason Jack doesn’t want to see Aaron is because the baby is actually his nephew. Didn’t we find out that Jack and Claire share the same father and maybe Jack feels guilty because he has found out that Claire was his sister.

  482. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="186705"]I think that the reason Jack doesn’t want to see Aaron is because the baby is actually his nephew. Didn’t we find out that Jack and Claire share the same father and maybe Jack feels guilty because he has found out that Claire was his sister.[/quote]
    I’m just curious why several people would think that Jack finding out he has a nephew make him not want to see the nephew. What kind of social issues would create this feeling?
    Seriously…”Hey Hammer, you have a half sister and she has a son.” Me…”Uhhh, keep him away from me.” NOT!

  483. Tina says:

    PJSander: My knickers are just fine thanks. Maybe I sounded a wee bit pissed off, but I’m getting annoyed with all this talk about downs syndrome. I apologize.

  484. Tina says:

    [quote comment="186714"][quote comment="186705"]I think that the reason Jack doesn’t want to see Aaron is because the baby is actually his nephew. Didn’t we find out that Jack and Claire share the same father and maybe Jack feels guilty because he has found out that Claire was his sister.[/quote]
    I’m just curious why several people would think that Jack finding out he has a nephew make him not want to see the nephew. What kind of social issues would create this feeling?
    Seriously…”Hey Hammer, you have a half sister and she has a son.” Me…”Uhhh, keep him away from me.” NOT![/quote]

    The only way I can see that could happen is if something happened to Claire that Jack believes he is directly responsbile for. Perhaps he does find out she is his sister and chooses to sacrifice her for Kate or someone elese ont he island that results in Kate & Jack being charged with the responsibility of tending to Claaron off-island. Clearly if this is the case, Jack has shirked his responsibilities which could be why Kate gets so up in arms about him not coming to see the baby.

    She seems to have accepted their fate off-island in a way the others we’ve seen off island have not. There’s got to be a good reason and I suspect it has something to do with Ben.

  485. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="186729"]PJSander: My knickers are just fine thanks. Maybe I sounded a wee bit pissed off, but I’m getting annoyed with all this talk about downs syndrome. I apologize.[/quote]

    I do understand why you got annoyed. I would hate for the parents of the baby to see those comments. I also understand that many people thought that, so, was it intentionsl. I hope it was as someone suggested and just sllepy baby with eyes scrunched shut.

  486. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="186517"][quote comment="186016"]#402 – Minkowski spoke directly to Jack in the season # finale so we have already heard his voice. Can’t be Michael avoiding other Losties.[/quote]
    Could be is he is employing a voice modulator.[/quote]

    When Danielle first called Minkowsky asked if he was on speaker and Daniel had to turn the speaker off. I don’t think he would have had a voice modulator on at that time.

  487. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="186546"]How about this theory:

    I think that both Sun and Claire cannot leave the island or they will die, due to the pregnancy/vaccine thing. That would make Jin remain on the island too. Maybe when Claire and Aaron were in the helicopter she gets sick and must return or die, and she gives Aaron to Kate so that he is not stuck on the island for life.

    Just another thought- Sun’s comment about raising the kid in Korea, Xanadu, Sawyer’s book, Ben/Locke’s book, eggs, EVERYTHING, every frame, every line of dialogue means SOMETHING. Nothing is filler.[/quote]

    As far as I can recall Sun never got the vaccine. Since Claire got the vaccine while pregnant wouldn’t that affect Aaron too?

    Good call on everything is important. Suns comment about raising HER baby at home is very telling. Jin corrects her but she dosn’t comment. Perhaps they end up on opposite sides soon.

  488. Circus Mom says:

    Laura #478 Good theory on why Hurley wanted to go back to the home.

    Leah Many of us read every blog and the guidelines ask that everyone dose. My suggestion was an idea to answer numerous complaints on the last episode. I was following guideline #5 and trying to be “Kind and helpful.” My suggestion was to gently remind, not bitch about repeats.

    Personally, new theories, new takes on theories, and even repeats that are well thought out and expressed are welcome by me. My personal gripe is when something has been proven, not debated, time and time again and someone comes on and suggests it again and again.

  489. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="186729"]PJSander: My knickers are just fine thanks. Maybe I sounded a wee bit pissed off, but I’m getting annoyed with all this talk about downs syndrome. I apologize.[/quote]

    No apology necessary, I knew you weren’t really sniping! Hence the “love” at the end. Had I thought you were really sniping, it might have been “wanker” at the end instead . More importantly, if I KNEW you were really sniping, I would simply have ignored it because responding would have only served to exacerbate the issue!

    Thanks to skweez for bringing up the podcasts, btw. I had never experienced those and am really glad that I now have!

    Four days, two hours, 36 minutes and 35 seconds until the “enhanced” version of Eggtown plays!

    (Hi, my name is PJ and I am a LOSTaholic )

    : ) P

  490. Cutley says:

    More of this at http://robotindisguiseblog.blogspot.com/2008/02/do-aaron-and-ben-count-as-part-of.html

    My initial reaction is that Aaron wouldn’t be considered a member of the Oceanic 6. But the more I think about it, the more likely I think he is. First, he makes it off the island despite not being born before the crash. I doubt its the Oceanic 6 plus one baby. That designation doesn’t seem right. Plus a number of people, namely in red states, would say that Aaron – though unborn – was actually a survivor of the crash despite the fact he was not formally listed on the manifest.

    What further convinces me is that some 815 survivors who want to get off the island can’t get off. From a narrative perspective, if all the people who want to get off the island do, why should we care that Jack gets back to the Island? Why go back if there isn’t anyone there that we want to see saved? And honestly, the number of people left on the Island who are 815 survivors that want to leave is pretty low. We already know that Jack, Kate, Hurley and Sayid want to leave. If Sun and Jin get off, would we really care that Locke and Sawyer (two who want to stay) or Claire, Rose and Bernard (who are now just periphery characters) got off? The writers know we have to emotionally invest in the characters to make the story compelling. We couldn’t believe Jack’s grief if the remaining stranded survivors were people who WANTED to be there. The way Sun and Jin have been written in the first few episodes has been meant to engender sympathy if they don’t get off the Island (picking out a place to live in the US, excitement about having her baby in a hospital, etc.) So if Aaron counts as one of the Oceanic 6, that’s one less core character the show has to remove from the Island. I’ll apply this same logic for the last member of the Oceanic half-dozen and say that Michael is number six (again, I have no idea where Walt is) and speculate that neither Desmond nor Juliet makes it off. I suppose it’s possible that Sun and Jin make it off, but I think that would be damaging to the narrative.

  491. Miraks says:

    If Aaron is considered one of the O6, my guess would be that Sun would be the last one. About the “eight survived the crash, but only six returned”. (I know it’s not true, but this is the O6 “official” story) My guess is that Claire doesn’t make it off the island, but is said to be one of the eight that survived the initial crash (but later died- maybe in childbirth) in order to explain Aaron. The other one would probably be Jin (survived then died), since Sun would have a hard time explaining how she got knocked up while on the island. (maybe getting off the island is what she needs to do in order to save the baby?)

  492. RGS says:

    [quote comment="186753"]

    From a narrative perspective, if all the people who want to get off the island do, why should we care that Jack gets back to the Island? Why go back if there isn’t anyone there that we want to see saved?[/quote]

    For the record, I don’t think Aaron is part of the 06, simply because he’s not on the manifest.

    As far as wanting to go back to save other left behind survivors, I don’t think Jack, if he felt he needed to save folks, would take weekend flights hoping the plane would crash. That doesn’t seem like a proper plan of action, as he is a more practical person, less believing in fate. Plus what’s he gonna do by himself? Taking the flights hoping he would crash back onto the island seems like it is his way of accepting fate and believing in the powers of the island.

    (Incidentally this is also why I don’t think Oceanic Air is in any way involved with the island…they are just the airline for the show).

    I think it’s going to be awhile before we find out what the Freightors want on that island. Ultimately, I think the Freightor folks will offer a way off the island for those who want off, in exchange for silence. Jack will look at the ones who choose to stay as fools, and will “convince” the 06 to leave which will ultimately be a mistake.

    Admittedly I can’t think of why some of the extra Oceanic survivors would want to stay, unless they have similar issues as the ones who want to stay. Nor can I think of a reason why Jack would want to go back.

  493. SuzySchool says:

    [quote comment="186640"][quote comment="186171"]

    I almost hate to do this, but what the heck. I may have to invoke my safe phrase after this. Sigh* Sayid could be in the coffin still, (but I don’t want to think that).

    If FF are going in reverse chronological it could go something like this. Picture the flashforwards on a 12 inch ruler. At the end of the ruler, they go back to the island, or whatever.

    Season 3 Finale FF would start at the 11 inch mark, and work toward the 12.

    Season 4 Ep 1 FF would start at the 10 inch mark and work toward the 11.

    S 4 Ep 2 FF would start at the 9 and work toward the 10.

    Sayid, now that his cover is blown, must fake his death to continue is work…SRTR4K.

    I have no idea what your code SRTR4K means?
    I like the idea of Sayid faking his death…I hadn’t considered anyone faking their death. Although, I don’t think it is Sayid.

    I still think the DA is in cahoots w/ Ben or whoever those “powers that be are”. I realize it is TV and the trial is a TV trial, but I still don’t see that the DA would give up a case so easily with “the most recognizable face in America”. True, Kate would garner sympathy for all her *character* displayed post-crash..but I still think something’s up with the DA and that Ben needs Kate free.

    I’ll probably be proved wrong in the next 2 years, but I love this show and that it keeps me guessing!

  494. SuzySchool says:

    I’m sorry for the double-post, I clearly, didn’t do the “quote” thing correctly. Here is my words after RGS:

    I have no idea what your code SRTR4K means?
    I like the idea of Sayid faking his death…I hadn’t considered anyone faking their death. Although, I don’t think it is Sayid.

    I still think the DA is in cahoots w/ Ben or whoever those “powers that be are”. I realize it is TV and the trial is a TV trial, but I still don’t see that the DA would give up a case so easily with “the most recognizable face in America”. True, Kate would garner sympathy for all her *character* displayed post-crash..but I still think something’s up with the DA and that Ben needs Kate free.

    I’ll probably be proved wrong in the next 2 years, but I love this show and that it keeps me guessing!

  495. Lostie says:

    Why is it that people assume that Desmond and Juliet don’t get off the island? They may not be a part of the “oceanic 6″ but that’s obvious- they weren’t on the plane. They could still be a part of the group that got off the island right?

  496. causewaychaos says:

    Ok. I just spent about two hours going through most of the posts on this site, so, please forgive me if I repeat something already posted.

    Somewhere, someone posted the idea that Jack had to decide between Claire and Kate in a life/death situation. I totally agree with that as it makes perfect sense why he would not want to see Aaron.

    I also do believe Aaron is considered one of the Oceanic6 as he did survive the crash. I can’t see them referring to him as Oceanic6 plus baby. He definitely is one of them.

    I also am starting to believe that Locke is the final and sixth one. I also believe he’s the one in the coffin. (yikes, I know, I brought up the coffin).

    I do have a question, though…. whatever happened to the young children that were, at one time, with the others????

    Anyhow, absolute great blog and I apologize for not reading the entire site, I tended to skip through what looked like duplicate posts or ideas…. something that I am sure will happen to my post. :-)

  497. Trixanna says:

    I agree, Lostie. The six don’t neccessarily HAVE to be from the plane crash. Or do they? There is the manifest to consider. I am so LOST!

  498. Rita says:

    I’ll admitt that Cutley’s logic re: Aaron being the 5th O6er is compelling, but I guess I will have to wait for more clues. The D&C podcast from before Eggtown said that the first 4 would be easy but the last two would be “tricky”. Guess they were right.
    I was wondering also (with RGS) about Jack taking all those flights (in the S3 finale FF) trying to get back to the island, hoping it would crash. I agree that this demonstrates a COMPLETE transformation in Jack’s character, from an incharge-confident-knows-all-the-answers guy, to a desperate, messed up, believer in “the island”. Whatever happens to get him to this place will be fun to find out!
    I too, am Rita and I am a LOSTaholic.
    (“Hi PJ”!)

  499. leah says:

    I have watched this show since ‘jacks eye’.i ve never missed an episode.i ve rewound , re hashed ,disgussed ,even dreamed lost . now i dont consider myself ‘brain of britain’but ive
    been labelled wise ‘ before now!And i know by reading comments on this ,most poeple are using the grey matter to its fullest….Then why oh why cant our combined brain power, solve this…enigma?.[ for want of a better word ]….Why ?Because they are making it up as they go along!
    i want some answers..what is the black smoke?
    what was the 4 toed statue about?…where s the ‘elizabeth’why have the food drops stopped?where is the french woman?….etc,..etc..

  500. Rita says:

    [quote comment="186790"]I have watched this show since ‘jacks eye’.i ve never missed an episode.i ve rewound , re hashed ,disgussed ,even dreamed lost . now i dont consider myself ‘brain of britain’but ive
    been labelled wise ‘ before now!And i know by reading comments on this ,most poeple are using the grey matter to its fullest….Then why oh why cant our combined brain power, solve this…enigma?.[ for want of a better word ]….Why ?Because they are making it up as they go along!
    i want some answers..what is the black smoke?
    what was the 4 toed statue about?…where s the ‘elizabeth’why have the food drops stopped?where is the french woman?….etc,..etc..[/quote]
    Well Leah, I’ll take a stab at it:
    1. We have no new info about the black smoke, but since Locke just brought it up again (to Ben) I’m hoping that means we will get an answer soon.
    2. No new news about the 4 toed statue either. Rats.
    3. We don’t know that the food drops have stopped. If you are basing your assumption on the fact that Locke said those were the last two eggs, I guess he said that because he had just killed the chicken.
    4. If the “Elizabeth” is the boat that Libby sold to Desmond, then the last we saw of it was when Sun killed the Other Woman (whose name escapes me right now). Anybody know more than that?
    5. The french woman is Danielle Rouseau who is now in Locke’s camp at Otherville.

    Hope that helps!

  501. DocH says:

    [quote comment="186784"]
    Why is it that people assume that Desmond and Juliet don’t get off the island? They may not be a part of the “oceanic 6″ but that’s obvious-they weren’t on the plane. They could still be a part of the group that got off the island right?
    [/quote]
    Yes, but the Sixers may have gone off the island publicly… in front of cameras… with the aid of the freighter tots or whoever. Everybody may have left, just not publicly. Ben may have taken dozens off covertly or clandestinely… Sayid, Juliet, Kate, Aaron, Sawyer, Locke… Ben comes and goes as he wishes (Richard too). They are just living in Bens’ witness protection program. The Sixers aren’t!

  502. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="186790"]I have watched this show since ‘jacks eye’.i ve never missed an episode… Then why oh why cant our combined brain power, solve this. Why ?Because they are making it up as they go along![/quote]

    Of course you may well be right, but I remember hearing on the commentary of the Season 1 DVD set, that JJ Abrams, Damon Lindeloff and Carlton Cuse had mapped out the ENTIRE SERIES before they shot one frame of footage. Which is why they, and their fans, are relieved to have “an end date” to the series. This way, they can plan each episode so that it culminates finally in answers to all the questions they have had us asking since Jack opened his eye in scene one.

    Hi Rita, welcome to LAA (Lostaholics Almost Anonymous). I expect we will have more people admitting they have a problem as the weeks progress (particularly during the agonizing weeks while we wait for new episodes to be filmed following the WGA strike).

    : ) P

  503. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="186897"]

    Of course you may well be right, but I remember hearing on the commentary of the Season 1 DVD set, that JJ Abrams, Damon Lindeloff and Carlton Cuse had mapped out the ENTIRE SERIES before they shot one frame of footage. Which is why they, and their fans, are relieved to have “an end date” to the series. This way, they can plan each episode so that it culminates finally in answers to all the questions they have had us asking since Jack opened his eye in scene one.

    Hi Rita, welcome to LAA (Lostaholics Almost Anonymous). I expect we will have more people admitting they have a problem as the weeks progress (particularly during the agonizing weeks while we wait for new episodes to be filmed following the WGA strike).

    : ) P[/quote]
    Agreed PJ, it is the whole reason why there is an end date schedule years in advance.

    Also, some of started an LAA two season ago. You guys are welcome to join or chapter.

  504. Tina says:

    Hammer & PJ: I’ll join whichever chapter has the best member benefits.

  505. dukewm says:

    Ghostrider (#432):
    Excellent work, Sherlock.
    Seems to have a lot of referrences.

    PJSander (#502):
    Since they have announced the show had 48 episodes remaining that would consist of 3 more seasons of 16 Eps each, I’m thinking the WHOLE thing is basically DONE as far as writing goes.
    Don’t think the Writers strike effected LOST at all.
    Maybe they’re just gonna’ feed us 8 Ep’s at a time with “split seasons” starting in FEB and SEP every year thru 2010.

    Anybody know the schedule ?

  506. Jater says:

    OK Desmond says that Claire gets on the helicopter in his vision but he never said that she gets on alive. Claire dies and Aaron becomes Kate’s.

  507. Tina says:

    [quote comment="186816"][quote comment="186784"]
    Why is it that people assume that Desmond and Juliet don’t get off the island? They may not be a part of the “oceanic 6″ but that’s obvious-they weren’t on the plane. They could still be a part of the group that got off the island right?
    [/quote]
    Yes, but the Sixers may have gone off the island publicly… in front of cameras… with the aid of the freighter tots or whoever. Everybody may have left, just not publicly. Ben may have taken dozens off covertly or clandestinely… Sayid, Juliet, Kate, Aaron, Sawyer, Locke… Ben comes and goes as he wishes (Richard too). They are just living in Bens’ witness protection program. The Sixers aren’t![/quote]

    Hm, I’d never thought about the possibility of more islanders being off island somehow. Though it sort of takes away from the depth of the anagony that Jack wrestles with in his flash forwards if so many other islanders also got off. I think something really terrible must happen as the result of the freighter tots landing on the island that Jack feels directly responsible for.

  508. Miraks says:

    [quote comment="186816"][quote comment="186784"]
    Why is it that people assume that Desmond and Juliet don’t get off the island? They may not be a part of the “oceanic 6″ but that’s obvious-they weren’t on the plane. They could still be a part of the group that got off the island right?
    [/quote]
    Yes, but the Sixers may have gone off the island publicly… in front of cameras… with the aid of the freighter tots or whoever. Everybody may have left, just not publicly. Ben may have taken dozens off covertly or clandestinely… Sayid, Juliet, Kate, Aaron, Sawyer, Locke… Ben comes and goes as he wishes (Richard too). They are just living in Bens’ witness protection program. The Sixers aren’t![/quote]

    I think it would be hard for any other 815 survivors to get off the island and not be in the public eye. I’m sure that when they were assumed dead there were funerals for them, local stories in the papers and on the news, etc. If one of them cam eback, I’m pretty sure people would notice.

  509. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="187165"]Since they have announced the show had 48 episodes remaining that would consist of 3 more seasons of 16 Eps each, I’m thinking the WHOLE thing is basically DONE as far as writing goes.
    Don’t think the Writers strike effected LOST at all.
    Maybe they’re just gonna’ feed us 8 Ep’s at a time with “split seasons” starting in FEB and SEP every year thru 2010.[/quote]

    Well yes and no. The storyline is complete, in that TPTB know who will live, who will die, who will get where and how, etc. However, the actual writing of each of the episodes is done over time. The producers and writers have to take into account actors’ schedules, other commitments, weather, location availability and a host of other parameters, so no, not every script is already written.

    Also, the producers / ABC have promised no more “split seasons” (except this year, the WGA strike has forced that). There were to be three seasons of 16 episodes each, with each season showing all 16 consecutively, with no breaks and no repeats. Because of the strike, there may not be a full 16 this season (the number seems to change with the wind), but TPTB have said they will fulfill the complete 48 episodes, even if it means lengthening another season.

    HTH,
    : ) P

  510. Rita says:

    [quote comment="187180"][quote comment="186816"][quote comment="186784"]
    Why is it that people assume that Desmond and Juliet don’t get off the island? They may not be a part of the “oceanic 6″ but that’s obvious-they weren’t on the plane. They could still be a part of the group that got off the island right?
    [/quote]
    Yes, but the Sixers may have gone off the island publicly… in front of cameras… with the aid of the freighter tots or whoever. Everybody may have left, just not publicly. Ben may have taken dozens off covertly or clandestinely… Sayid, Juliet, Kate, Aaron, Sawyer, Locke… Ben comes and goes as he wishes (Richard too). They are just living in Bens’ witness protection program. The Sixers aren’t![/quote]

    I think it would be hard for any other 815 survivors to get off the island and not be in the public eye. I’m sure that when they were assumed dead there were funerals for them, local stories in the papers and on the news, etc. If one of them cam eback, I’m pretty sure people would notice.[/quote]
    Maybe not if they didn’t go HOME. If they went to other areas/countries with different identities (provided by Ben and co.) they could conceivably be off island and able to move about OUT of the public eye. This scenario would seem to best suit Sayeed though, and we know HE’S an O6er, so who knows? Maybe this is what D&C meant when they said the last two would be tricky. Maybe we will see someone else off island who ISN’T an O6er who came off another way.

  511. Donna says:

    Okay, I have a question. Do you guys think that Kate is pretending that she gave birth to Aaron and that is truly is hers? (Otherwise, explaining why her mother desperately wants to see her grandson.) Or, do you think they are going to say that Claire did infact die on the island, leaving Aaron to Kate?

  512. Colum says:

    Have only read a third of the above posts, so apologies if someone has already come up with this: Aaron can’t be one of the Oceanic 6 as he wasnt on the plane, i.e. wasnt on the manifest. unless being in a womb counts!! Same goes for Ben.

  513. vavila says:

    [quote comment="185922"]My thought on why Miles is chosen is because the person sponsoring the freightors wants information from Ben, dead or alive. If he’s dead Miles can get the information from him, even if a dead Ben was reluctant to give it up (Miles got the money out of the wall from the dead drug dealer, and that is information one would think the ghost would not want to give up).
    In addition, I think Miles is just after a payday.

    quote]

    RGS 413: You know, i’m not 100% sure that Miles is motivated only by the money, on one hand it seems that way: she asks the lady for $200 instead of $100, he seems willing to ‘sell Ben’ for $3.2M and choose $ over the mission objective he was supposed to accomplish so clear money motivation here.
    But, Miles gives the lady $100 back (feeling guilty?), i’m sure with his abilities he can easily earn $, and why ask only for $3.2M? why not round it up to $3.5 or more? there is soemthing more to it that just money.

    I also think that Miles’ ability to ‘get info from the dead/spirits’ might alter his original perhaps shortsited mission (like gettign Locke). Before coming to the island he had special powers, he could get what he wanted and was the one ‘commanding the parade’ and since there was pretty much no higher goal, he used his abilities to make money. But on the island he might realize very fast the danger the island faces and the bigger value of his powers, which will empower him not in material ways but in becoming a ‘righteous leader’: he might be useful in protecting the greater good (island) and helping others. These are just speculations of course but this would be a great transformation to see! From Sawyer-Miles to Miles the savior?
    hmm… but then we know that Miles and co are not there to ‘save’ losties or the island, so is it then possible that Miles might be a transforming character? And if he switches sides, then can he ever be trusted?
    Maybe Miles will not rise above the material things but ti would be quite exsiting if he did…

  514. stormclouds13 says:

    The exchanges between Kate and Sawyer in this episode draw striking parallels to when Kate was married. She left her husband after she thought she was pregnant, and said she doesn’t “do taco night”, implying that she felt too safe and homemaker-ish. In this episode she also thought she was pregnant and then Sawyer came at her with the whole “I’ll keep you safe” speech and wanting to play house.

    Perhaps those strange looks on her face were the result of her memories of that time in her life and realizing either that she has never wanted to be tied down like that or that maybe she does want it now but perhaps thinks she doesn’t deserve it or now thinks that Sawyer was lying about keeping her safe due to his ecstatic reaction.

  515. Tina says:

    3.2 million:

    - Number of Wii Consoles sold as of 1/24/07
    - Number of unemployed people who applied for an opening at the Ohio Bob Evans.
    - Number of unaccounted for ballots from the 2000 presidentail election
    - The age of Lucy
    - Amount of stock options WaMu CEO received last year.

  516. RGS says:

    [quote comment="186783"]

    I have no idea what your code SRTR4K means?

    [/quote]

    That is just an abbreviated “safe phrase” to let you folks know I’m not crazy.

    It can’t be Sayid playing dead because that would make for a different bigger headline in the newspaper, since he’s an O6. (Phew, glad that’s not a possibility).

    Re: Colum post 512, I agree, besides it doesn’t seem to make for much of a storyline
    for one of the O6 to be a baby. Seems like they are revealing O6ers in FFs, are they going to do a FF of Aaron? Doubt it since we really don’t know anything about him.

  517. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="187182"][quote comment="187165"]Since they have announced the show had 48 episodes remaining that would consist of 3 more seasons of 16 Eps each, I’m thinking the WHOLE thing is basically DONE as far as writing goes.
    Don’t think the Writers strike effected LOST at all.
    Maybe they’re just gonna’ feed us 8 Ep’s at a time with “split seasons” starting in FEB and SEP every year thru 2010.[/quote]

    Well yes and no. The storyline is complete, in that TPTB know who will live, who will die, who will get where and how, etc. However, the actual writing of each of the episodes is done over time. The producers and writers have to take into account actors’ schedules, other commitments, weather, location availability and a host of other parameters, so no, not every script is already written.

    Also, the producers / ABC have promised no more “split seasons” (except this year, the WGA strike has forced that). There were to be three seasons of 16 episodes each, with each season showing all 16 consecutively, with no breaks and no repeats. Because of the strike, there may not be a full 16 this season (the number seems to change with the wind), but TPTB have said they will fulfill the complete 48 episodes, even if it means lengthening another season.

    HTH,
    : ) P[/quote]
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    To add to PJ’s response, the schedule is that this season will have a total of 13 episodes, with episodes 5, 6, and 7 on each of the next 3 weeks, and then the remaining 6 episodes will start again on Thurs April 24 at 10 pm (a new time slot). The total number of episodes for seasons 4, 5, and 6 will still be 48, so the 3 episodes we’re losing this season will be made up in the upcoming seasons.

    This was discussed a little bit here: http://www.lostblog.net/lost/tv/show/wga-strike-update#comments
    And you can read a little more here:

    http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry/TVGuide-Editors-Blog/Ausiello-Report/Exclusive-Lost-Boss/800033076

    I sincerely apologize to anyone who is upset because this post contains information that may have already been posted on this or any other thread on this or any other blog.

  518. Rita says:

    Thanks ToeKnee for the info (post #517). It was new to me and I have marked my calendar accordingly!

    Thanks too to Hammer: Count me in to your chapter of LAA!

  519. Miraks says:

    I’m a little bothred by people who keep saying that the reason Kate loves Aaron, or that her mother really wants to meet him, somehow means that he is either a- Kate’s son, or b- that she claims he is her own son. Adoptive parents and grandparents are just as caring and loving as any other parents and grandparents, in many cases even more so. To say otherwise is a big insult to both adoptive parents and even foster parents. Sorry to vent, but having adopted members in my family, it just really bothers me.

  520. Omar Kamel says:

    Me and a friend both got the impression that:

    1. Kate is probably pregnant, or at the very least – in a position to believe that she is.

    2. The whole scene with Sawyer the next morning was a test. She said that to see how he would react – so that she can decide whether or not she wants to try to ‘play house’ with him. He failed the test quite miserably as far as she’s concerned, which is why she plans to head back to Jack’s group.

  521. Tina says:

    [quote comment="187198"]Me and a friend both got the impression that:

    1. Kate is probably pregnant, or at the very least – in a position to believe that she is.

    2. The whole scene with Sawyer the next morning was a test. She said that to see how he would react – so that she can decide whether or not she wants to try to ‘play house’ with him. He failed the test quite miserably as far as she’s concerned, which is why she plans to head back to Jack’s group.[/quote]
    I’m not sure I buy that. She definitely has some twisted feelings for him, but I don’t think enough of any kind to stay with him indefinitely. She’s a runner despite how much she’s changed over the course of the seasons, she’s still a runner.

    Locke also kicked her out of the “commune”.

  522. GandT says:

    Aaron: Moses’ brother who speaks for Moses with Pharoah. If Jack is the Moses of the show, how would this fit?

  523. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="187193"][quote comment="186783"]

    I have no idea what your code SRTR4K means?

    [/quote]

    That is just an abbreviated “safe phrase” to let you folks know I’m not crazy.
    [/quote]
    But you left out the best part – it stands for “Silly Rabbit, Trix are for Kids”. I thought that was pretty funny.

    I sincerely apologize to anyone who is upset because this post contains information that may have already been posted on this or any other thread on this or any other blog.

  524. Paul says:

    GandT
    Comment 522, posted 4 minutes ago – Quote and reply
    Aaron: Moses’ brother who speaks for Moses with Pharoah. If Jack is the Moses of the show, how would this fit?

    It would’t fit you religious crackpot!! It is a Tv show. Quit trying to prove that 1 piece of fiction (LOST) is connected with another piece of fiction (Bible).

  525. Paul says:

    GandT
    Comment 522, posted 4 minutes ago – Quote and reply
    Aaron: Moses’ brother who speaks for Moses with Pharoah. If Jack is the Moses of the show, how would this fit?

    It wouldn’t fit you religious crackpot!! It is a Tv show. Quit trying to prove that 1 piece of fiction (LOST) is connected with another piece of fiction (Bible).

  526. Rita says:

    [quote comment="187202"]Aaron: Moses’ brother who speaks for Moses with Pharoah. If Jack is the Moses of the show, how would this fit?[/quote]
    I like the Aaron/Moses analogy, just can’t fit it in so neatly. Jack is a leader, yes, but does not have “God’s ear” so to speak. If God (the island?) is speaking, it is not to Jack. That would more likely be Ben, Locke, or ….Hurley?!.

  527. SawyerFan says:

    [quote comment="186272"]Miraks thank you. People please stop coming up with crappy theories. Aaron is now being raised by Kate -live with it. GREAT ending it made the so-so episode well great.

    Miraks
    Comment 456, posted 15 minutes ago – Quote and reply

    Things I absolutely believe, and don’t see how/ or why people think differently.

    1- Kate, Hurley, Sayid, and Jack are 100% part of the Oceanic Six.

    2- Aaron is Claire’s child now being raised by Kate. (and no, I don’t think she stole him in any way, but my best guess is she was asked by Claire to raise him as her own)Oh, and the child does not have Down Syndrome, seriously!

    3- The person in the coffin is a MAN an[/quote]

    Geez, get off your high horse there…this is a BLOG which permits everyone to share their thoughts and theories. I get frustrated at people for being repetitious but there’s no need to get upset with other bloggers or call their theories “crappy” just because they don’t coincide with YOUR theories!!!

  528. ANON2 says:

    [quote comment="187207"]
    It wouldn’t fit you religious crackpot!! It is a Tv show. Quit trying to prove that 1 piece of fiction (LOST) is connected with another piece of fiction (Bible).
    [/quote]
    Some guideline advice here,

    > Be constructive…
    > Be kind… helpful.

    Yours was neither.

    Sometimes you just need to ignore concepts that don’t interest you. A non-reply reply, if you will.

    Better yet, devise an intelligent, well researched counter-opinion backing your position on the topic.

    Mr. Will… please remove this (my) comment at your discretion.

  529. SawyerFan says:

    [quote comment="186545"]This is from the economist… but Sayid traded Miles (and kind of Kate) for Charlotte.

    Kate is also kind of trading Sawyer for Jack (again!)

    It has been mentioned but I do think Kate’s pause after getting mad at Sawyer was odd. She had just slapped him! If she was really so offended by what was said (both about being pregnant was a bad thing, and then she would jump back from jack to sawyer) she would have stormed out the door and slammed it shut! Either she:
    a) is madly in love with Sawyer and hates to see him go.
    b) has some big news she is debating telling him (pregnant?)
    c) afraid she’ll never see him again (i.e. if she thinks she will be getting off the island shortly, maybe she won’t have a chance to say goodbye)[/quote]

    I totally agree, Laura. Lostie and I are together on this one. There was definitely something significant in Sawyer mentioning that they didn’t “go all the way” the night before because “she was sad”. And there was also something significant to that pause and look she gave him before walking out. Lostie and I think she was lying about the pregnancy to get Sawyer’s reaction. When she didn’t get the desired response she decided to leave the island because she doesn’t think Sawyer wants the baby. I just hope this isn’t some way for the writers to kill off Sawyer so that she and Jack can live happily ever after with her and Sawyer’s love child. I will be so pissed off. But I’ve always had the feeling that Sawyer’s character was meant to die a heroic death from the start of the series. I hope I’m wrong!

  530. stormclouds13 says:

    [quote comment="187206"]GandT
    Comment 522, posted 4 minutes ago – Quote and reply
    Aaron: Moses’ brother who speaks for Moses with Pharoah. If Jack is the Moses of the show, how would this fit?

    It would’t fit you religious crackpot!! It is a Tv show. Quit trying to prove that 1 piece of fiction (LOST) is connected with another piece of fiction (Bible).[/quote]
    ______________________________________________________

    Actually, even if you approach the Bible purely from a literary standpoint, it still has connections to Lost regardless of religious implications. In fact, the writers and producers have made connections to several other works of literature, including but not limited to The Wizard of Oz, Through the Looking Glass, Alice in Wonderland, Of Mice and Men, and most recently the Chronicles of Narnia.

  531. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="187217"][quote comment="187207"]
    It wouldn’t fit you religious crackpot!! It is a Tv show. Quit trying to prove that 1 piece of fiction (LOST) is connected with another piece of fiction (Bible).
    [/quote]
    Some guideline advice here,

    > Be constructive…
    > Be kind… helpful.

    Yours was neither.

    Sometimes you just need to ignore concepts that don’t interest you. A non-reply reply, if you will.

    Better yet, devise an intelligent, well researched counter-opinion backing your position on the topic.

    Mr. Will… please remove this (my) comment at your discretion.[/quote]
    Better still, pay attention to the show. The Bible and religeon have been ref. many times.

  532. jebtion says:

    Assuming there was much publicity upon the return of the Oceanic 6 wouldnt the jury in the trial already be aware of Kate’s child? Why would she insist on the childs identity or presence not be brought in to the trial. Seems to me that anyone who had watched the news during the discovery of the survivors would be FULLY aware if her son returned with her. Could she have had a chld before who she gave up in to someone else’s care which is why she was teary eyed when she told Claire she was not good with babies. HMm … far fetched maybe but again wouldnt the baby have been common knowledge at trial??

  533. Rita says:

    Jebtion #532: I suppose many “celebrities” and well known people prefer (sometimes adamently) to keep their children out of the spotlight. I don’t believe that Kate’s wish to keep Aaron out of the courtroom indicates that he is unknown to the people or the court. Her lawyer know about him in any case.

  534. Julie says:

    AGH PEOPLE! I haven’t been able to log on since I left work on Friday and you go and post 200 more ideas! LOL!
    Before I start reading…..AGAIN…. I went back and watched this weeks epi again. I had commented earlier about John ‘over stepping his bounderies’. So when I rewatched… did anyone notice how Locke just waltzes into Claires house? No knock on the door.. no ‘sorry for my intrusion..’ Just BAM I’m here! I think this deserves a second look. If you think back to what I will call pre-button John he was very polite… very not submissive but almost gentle. He even knocked on the tarps of the tents before entering to ask a question.. now he’s just bargeing in…. while everything else has been catching our attention Mr Locke seems to have done a complete 180

  535. Paul says:

    ______________________________________________________

    Actually, even if you approach the Bible purely from a literary standpoint, it still has connections to Lost regardless of religious implications. In fact, the writers and producers have made connections to several other works of literature, including but not limited to The Wizard of Oz, Through the Looking Glass, Alice in Wonderland, Of Mice and Men, and most recently the Chronicles of Narnia.

    YES, BUT NOBODY IS TRYING TO BLOW UP THE WORLD BASED ON THE WIZARD OF OZ.

  536. Julie says:

    Okay okay.. I’ve now read EVERYTHING. GEESH peoples! (Hi Hammer!)
    The one thing that I HAVENT seen is…
    What about Penny? We know that she talked to Charlie. We know that she knows about the freightors (we soooo need to come up with a better name for them). We also know that she knows Desmond is there AND that she has a general idea of where they are because well… he stopped the flashing light and bam there’s Penny so she had to have some sort of idea of where to be sending a signal.
    So, anyone still think that shes just hanging out… waiting to hear back?

  537. Miraks says:

    [quote comment="187227"]Assuming there was much publicity upon the return of the Oceanic 6 wouldnt the jury in the trial already be aware of Kate’s child? Why would she insist on the childs identity or presence not be brought in to the trial. Seems to me that anyone who had watched the news during the discovery of the survivors would be FULLY aware if her son returned with her. Could she have had a chld before who she gave up in to someone else’s care which is why she was teary eyed when she told Claire she was not good with babies. HMm … far fetched maybe but again wouldnt the baby have been common knowledge at trial??[/quote]

    As others have said, I think she just wants to keep him away from the craziness that surrounds her trial. I think it is supposed to show us that Kate has changed in significant ways:
    a- she is now concerned for the life of another more than her own
    b- despite the fact that she did not think she would be a good mother, she has become one (I think that whole conversation b/w her and Claire, where Claire said she didn’t think she would make a good mom at first, but things changed, was a heads-up to future Kate)
    c- she is no longer running, but is willing to face her past and bear the concequences for what she did
    d- this “new” Kate knows where she is at in life and what she wants, and no longer needs Jack or Sawyer (I think Aaron might have given her life this meaning)

  538. Terry says:

    Lots to read here so sorry if anything has been repeated………some theories….

    - seeems Hurley becomes one of the 6 as Locke will banish him from the group. Locke says, when he puts the grenade in Miles mouth, ‘no point in having rules if nothing happens when they are broken’ (or thereabouts)…so since Locke knows Hurley told Kate about Miles location Locke will send him packing to the beach with Kate

    - I think that when Locke gets nutty about Hurley and Kate we’ll see Claire object and somehow get killed accidently….then in her dying breath she will give Aaron to Kate.

    - Claire will be one of the 8 in the cover story that Jack tells.

    - Hurley apologises to Jack for going with Locke as he’s the cause of the fight that kills Claire and Jack finds out from Ben or someone (they seem to know all on everyone) that Claire was related to him….Hurley feels responsible for Claire’s death….feels they need to go back because Locke is still there…?

    Why did they call the episode Eggtown?…..because of the eggs in Ben’s fridge?…..

  539. stormclouds13 says:

    [quote comment="187241"]
    The one thing that I HAVENT seen is…
    What about Penny?[/quote]

    Hi Julie. I mentioned something about Penny way up in comment 260 (which seems like eons ago now, lol). I think you’re right, she knows a lot more than we’ve seen. She is a Widmore, after all. Regardless of who Naomi was actually working for, she had the picture and knew Desmond’s name. There has to be a reason she knew who Penny was and had the whole story cooked up about being sent by her to find Desmond.

  540. Julie says:

    [quote comment="187246"]Lots to read here so sorry if anything has been repeated………some theories….

    - seeems Hurley becomes one of the 6 as Locke will banish him from the group. Locke says, when he puts the grenade in Miles mouth, ‘no point in having rules if nothing happens when they are broken’ (or thereabouts)…so since Locke knows Hurley told Kate about Miles location Locke will send him packing to the beach with Kate

    - I think that when Locke gets nutty about Hurley and Kate we’ll see Claire object and somehow get killed accidently….then in her dying breath she will give Aaron to Kate.

    - Claire will be one of the 8 in the cover story that Jack tells.

    - Hurley apologises to Jack for going with Locke as he’s the cause of the fight that kills Claire and Jack finds out from Ben or someone (they seem to know all on everyone) that Claire was related to him….Hurley feels responsible for Claire’s death….feels they need to go back because Locke is still there…?

    Why did they call the episode Eggtown?…..because of the eggs in Ben’s fridge?…..[/quote]

    If you look around the 300 post mark someone gives a GREAT reason as to why it was called Eggtown. Something about Eggtown being the word used by traveling salesmen who knew that poor midwestern towns didn’t have the money to buy their products and would inturn try to barter with things that they had a supply of… such as eggs, milk, etc.

  541. stormclouds13 says:

    Oh, and another thing: when Charlie said Desmond’s name, Penny didn’t bother to confirm that he was indeed talking about Desmond Hume. She simply asked how he was. This would imply that she somehow know that it would be her Desmond at that frequency, not some other person named Desmond.

  542. Julie says:

    [quote comment="187249"]Oh, and another thing: when Charlie said Desmond’s name, Penny didn’t bother to confirm that he was indeed talking about Desmond Hume. She simply asked how he was. This would imply that she somehow know that it would be her Desmond at that frequency, not some other person named Desmond.[/quote]
    Exactly… so… I’m thinking that Penny and/or her multimillion dollar calvary are quite possibly on the way. Also, anyone given any thought to the idea of a mass exodus? I mean, do we know for sure that the ‘others’ that are now MIA are really happy there? Juliet wants to leave, is she the only one or the only one willing to admit it?
    We know that 6 come back from the plane crash but what about the possibility that more than that… a large amount more than that actually come back.

  543. LOST24 says:

    [quote comment="185590"]I noticed a possible contradiction. When on the stand, Jack said the plan crashed landed on an island in the South Pacific. But the news reports we saw said the plane was intact in a trench on the ocean floor. What’s up?[/quote]
    _________________________________________________________

    That’s why I believe Daniel’s vision was really a flash-forward. He sees the footage and recalls his time on the island with the survivors. What I can’t wrap my mind around is why Oceanic wants to cover up the crash if it’s already paid out settlements to the O6?

  544. RGS says:

    [quote comment="187205"][quote comment="187193"][quote comment="186783"]

    I have no idea what your code SRTR4K means?

    [/quote]

    That is just an abbreviated “safe phrase” to let you folks know I’m not crazy.
    [/quote]
    But you left out the best part – it stands for “Silly Rabbit, Trix are for Kids”. I thought that was pretty funny.

    I sincerely apologize to anyone who is upset because this post contains information that may have already been posted on this or any other thread on this or any other blog.[/quote]

    Lol, thanks. I feel bad now because I spent the last couple of hours looking at sneak peaks and potential spoilers sites I couldn’t help myself!(how legitimate are those though?). But I won’t comment on them.

  545. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="187248"][quote comment="187246"]Lots to read here so sorry if anything has been repeated………some theories….

    - seeems Hurley becomes one of the 6 as Locke will banish him from the group. Locke says, when he puts the grenade in Miles mouth, ‘no point in having rules if nothing happens when they are broken’ (or thereabouts)…so since Locke knows Hurley told Kate about Miles location Locke will send him packing to the beach with Kate

    - I think that when Locke gets nutty about Hurley and Kate we’ll see Claire object and somehow get killed accidently….then in her dying breath she will give Aaron to Kate.

    - Claire will be one of the 8 in the cover story that Jack tells.

    - Hurley apologises to Jack for going with Locke as he’s the cause of the fight that kills Claire and Jack finds out from Ben or someone (they seem to know all on everyone) that Claire was related to him….Hurley feels responsible for Claire’s death….feels they need to go back because Locke is still there…?

    Why did they call the episode Eggtown?…..because of the eggs in Ben’s fridge?…..[/quote]

    If you look around the 300 post mark someone gives a GREAT reason as to why it was called Eggtown. Something about Eggtown being the word used by traveling salesmen who knew that poor midwestern towns didn’t have the money to buy their products and would inturn try to barter with things that they had a supply of… such as eggs, milk, etc.[/quote]
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    That was ghostrider’s comment #432. And then there was some good discussion after that comment about trading that occurred in this episode.

    PS to Julie – Happy Birthday to your son!

  546. Julie says:

    [quote comment="187256"][quote comment="187248"][quote comment="187246"]Lots to read here so sorry if anything has been repeated………some theories….

    - seeems Hurley becomes one of the 6 as Locke will banish him from the group. Locke says, when he puts the grenade in Miles mouth, ‘no point in having rules if nothing happens when they are broken’ (or thereabouts)…so since Locke knows Hurley told Kate about Miles location Locke will send him packing to the beach with Kate

    - I think that when Locke gets nutty about Hurley and Kate we’ll see Claire object and somehow get killed accidently….then in her dying breath she will give Aaron to Kate.

    - Claire will be one of the 8 in the cover story that Jack tells.

    - Hurley apologises to Jack for going with Locke as he’s the cause of the fight that kills Claire and Jack finds out from Ben or someone (they seem to know all on everyone) that Claire was related to him….Hurley feels responsible for Claire’s death….feels they need to go back because Locke is still there…?

    Why did they call the episode Eggtown?…..because of the eggs in Ben’s fridge?…..[/quote]

    If you look around the 300 post mark someone gives a GREAT reason as to why it was called Eggtown. Something about Eggtown being the word used by traveling salesmen who knew that poor midwestern towns didn’t have the money to buy their products and would inturn try to barter with things that they had a supply of… such as eggs, milk, etc.[/quote]
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    That was ghostrider’s comment #432. And then there was some good discussion after that comment about trading that occurred in this episode.

    PS to Julie – Happy Birthday to your son![/quote]

    IM PROBABLY NOT ‘QUOTEING’ THIS CORRECTLY SO I’M GOING TO WRITE IN ALL CAPS. LOL!
    THANK YOU TOEKNEE. HE’S A MESS.
    HE ASKED IF WE COULD WATCH LOST TONIGHT AFTER CAKE. (GOD HE’S TOTALLY MY SON!) SO THANK GOODNESS FOR TIVO!

  547. Sawyer's Evil Twin says:

    One thing that really got me hot was Locke’s attitude. What makes him the boss? If I were Kate I would have told him where to put it. Kate can easily kick Locke’s ass IMHO. I just don’t understand why they fear him? Why go with him if you fear him? In the words of kids everywhere, “You aren’t the boss of me!” I think if this is the way Locke continues to act he will meet an untimely demise. It makes me think he’s the man in the coffin. Oops, wasn’t supposed to talk about that anymore. But you aren’t the boss of me!!! ; )

  548. skweez says:

    [quote comment="187241"]Okay okay.. I’ve now read EVERYTHING. GEESH peoples! (Hi Hammer!)
    The one thing that I HAVENT seen is…
    What about Penny? We know that she talked to Charlie. We know that she knows about the freightors (we soooo need to come up with a better name for them). We also know that she knows Desmond is there AND that she has a general idea of where they are because well… he stopped the flashing light and bam there’s Penny so she had to have some sort of idea of where to be sending a signal.
    So, anyone still think that shes just hanging out… waiting to hear back?[/quote]

    That’s why I think it is Penny’s people that eventually “rescue” the O6 and not the freightor people or whatever it is we’re calling them. I also believe that once rescued, BIG Widmore creates the entire coverup and Penny goes along with it because it will save Desmond.

  549. Julie says:

    [quote comment="187263"]One thing that really got me hot was Locke’s attitude. What makes him the boss? If I were Kate I would have told him where to put it. Kate can easily kick Locke’s ass IMHO. I just don’t understand why they fear him? Why go with him if you fear him? In the words of kids everywhere, “You aren’t the boss of me!” I think if this is the way Locke continues to act he will meet an untimely demise. It makes me think he’s the man in the coffin. Oops, wasn’t supposed to talk about that anymore. But you aren’t the boss of me!!! ; )[/quote]

    I’ve wondered this too.. what I have come up with is that everyone EVERYONE on the island is in agreement that something is up. I mean, polar bears, smoke monsters, freak occurances. I also believe that they are in agreement that Locke is the only one who seems to even have a slight idea as to what is going on. So.. it’s kind of a faith thing. Do you follow rational thought and say ‘oh.. the polar bear was a coincidence and Jack has gotten us this far…’ or ‘There is definatly something going on and Locke seems to have a grasp on it.’
    I think that’s why no one has really confronted him.. because as crazy as his actions are and as selfish as is motives are… he still seems to be the only one with a clue.
    (People thought Jesus was crazy too!)

  550. skweez says:

    [quote comment="187263"]One thing that really got me hot was Locke’s attitude. What makes him the boss? If I were Kate I would have told him where to put it. Kate can easily kick Locke’s ass IMHO. I just don’t understand why they fear him? Why go with him if you fear him? In the words of kids everywhere, “You aren’t the boss of me!” I think if this is the way Locke continues to act he will meet an untimely demise. It makes me think he’s the man in the coffin. Oops, wasn’t supposed to talk about that anymore. But you aren’t the boss of me!!! ; )[/quote]

    Just look at the folks who followed him. Most of them have been following Jack so they figured they might as well keep following somebody. But when we take a look at the “main” characters that followed him: Claire (who’s only concerni is Aaron and figures, better safe than sorry), Hurley (angry about Charlie dying and doesn’t trust the freightor peeps), Sawyer, (As he told Kate, he’s just “survivin”…. but as we know, Sawyer will do his own thing when he wants….

    I also think he will be taken out by somebody, maybe even Walt if he doesn’t connect back to the island real soon….

  551. DocH says:

    [quote comment="187263"]
    One thing that really got me hot was Locke’s attitude. What makes him the boss?
    If I were Kate I would have told him where to put it.
    Kate can easily kick Locke’s ass IMHO.
    I just don’t understand why they fear him?
    Why go with him if you fear him?
    I think if this is the way Locke continues to act he will meet an untimely demise.
    [/quote]
    I find Locke as unpalatable as anyone… BUT, in his defense, he commands a ton of “island” respect. For the most part, he has earned his street-cred (path-cred). If you are not a leader in a survival situation, then you need to be a serious follower. Kate is neither, while Locke stands up to the task. “Man of Faith” is not a easy leader to follow, for some. While a “Man of Science” (Jack) is not easy for the other half of the tribe to follow. Look at Rose – likes Jack, friend of Jack, woman of faith… wants to go down the righteous path (Locke) – but cannot!. Kate cannot throw in with any camp becase she SO conflicted, even in flash-forward life. Sawyer sat on the same fence for a long time. At least now he is picking a side.
    Back to the statement. Why Locke? As I remember he fed & protected the Losties for months. He stood up to the Ben-baddies in that same timeframe. He provided some insight as to the anomalies of island (while Jack denied said anomalies), and he was inspired on many other fronts. Has Locke gone off the deep-end now? Or is Jack the leading the survivors to ruin? What if Locke, ala Jacob/ben, really has thee big picture?.. while Jack continues his fatal slide to – “We have to go back Kate!?
    Why follow Locke? (proven leadership)
    [PS: And Locke could one-punch Kate into a coma in about three seconds.]

  552. roses12 says:

    is this a record, 5 hours to read all the posts upto.537..before commenting?lol

    #204 Desmond was really happy because Juliet was showing him a helicopter which had the potential to reach his beloved Penny after all those years. no conspiracy

    What do you think of Miles double bluffing Sayid to get captured and put beside Ben? Our Sayid should have seen that coming. I had him down as an amateur, guess he’s yet another conman.

    #246 Hammer, also what about the o6/8 bodies being found at the crash site (still in their seats) and then Kate, Jack et al, turning up alive??? surely the media would wonder?

    #337 the implication (other than he IS evil) is that Ben could have gotten the losties off the island anytime he wanted. Why hasn’t he? or for that matter had them all killed? Is he just messing with them? He has worked out a long time ago their are not a threat to him unless they leave and let his secret (the island) out?

    is this a record, 5 hours to read all the posts upto.537..before commenting. committed lost addict trying desparately to follow rules
    really agree with pole suggestions.

    #203 sawyer didnt betray her he just lead Locke out of the way so that Kate could get to Ben with Miles, whilst keeping himself protect by appartently being dupped by Kate and still on lockes side.

    #204 Desmond was really happy because Juliet was showing him a helicopter which had the potential to reach his beloved Penny after all those years. a real way off.

    #208 i think you are right on, we are been given a little more insight into Dharma/widmore/abaddon each episode. however the food drops were from Dharma and I doubt the support Ben if they knew of the purge. freighter tots know Ben, makes me question whether they are dharma or not???? #224 produced an interesting theory on this

    what do you think of Miles double bluffing Sayid to get captured and put beside Ben. Our Sayid should have seen that coming

    #218 this was trashed out on……..blog and I think it was decided by the reference to the credits that it was not Sun

    #247also how do you think o6/8 bodies been found at the crash site and then them turning up alive is explained away??? surely someone would wonder?

    # and maybe Kate said the Daddy was Sawyer, that would certainly peeve Jack off lol

    #275 how tragic would it be if Desmond died never having been reunited with Penny (not turned up at the funeral home)

    #####337 the implication (other than he IS evil) is that Ben could have gotten the losties off the island anytime he wanted. Why hasn’t he? or for that matter had them all killed? His he just messing with them? He has worked out a long time ago their are not a threat to him sent deliberately to get him?

    committed lost addict trying desparately to follow rules
    really agree with pole suggestions.

  553. roses12 says:

    so sorry about the double up in my post. I put my thoughts down in rough as I read through the posts and then edit out the drivle, unfortunately i miss-editted :{

  554. roses12 says:

    this is all i wanted to say [quote comment="187271"]is this a record, 5 hours to read all the posts upto.537..before commenting?lol

    #204 Desmond was really happy because Juliet was showing him a helicopter which had the potential to reach his beloved Penny after all those years. no conspiracy

    What do you think of Miles double bluffing Sayid to get captured and put beside Ben? Our Sayid should have seen that coming. I had him down as an amateur, guess he’s yet another conman.

    #246 Hammer, also what about the o6/8 bodies being found at the crash site (still in their seats) and then Kate, Jack et al, turning up alive??? surely the media would wonder?

    #337 the implication (other than he IS evil) is that Ben could have gotten the losties off the island anytime he wanted. Why hasn’t he? or for that matter had them all killed? Is he just messing with them? He has worked out a long time ago their are not a threat to him unless they leave and let his secret (the island) out?

    committed lost addict trying desparately to follow rules
    really agree with pole suggestions.

  555. Rita says:

    [quote comment="187249"]Oh, and another thing: when Charlie said Desmond’s name, Penny didn’t bother to confirm that he was indeed talking about Desmond Hume. She simply asked how he was. This would imply that she somehow know that it would be her Desmond at that frequency, not some other person named Desmond.[/quote]
    Yes! Good point!

  556. Lostie says:

    [quote comment="187183"][quote comment="187180"][quote comment="186816"][quote comment="186784"]
    Why is it that people assume that Desmond and Juliet don’t get off the island? They may not be a part of the “oceanic 6″ but that’s obvious-they weren’t on the plane. They could still be a part of the group that got off the island right?
    [/quote]
    Yes, but the Sixers may have gone off the island publicly… in front of cameras… with the aid of the freighter tots or whoever. Everybody may have left, just not publicly. Ben may have taken dozens off covertly or clandestinely… Sayid, Juliet, Kate, Aaron, Sawyer, Locke… Ben comes and goes as he wishes (Richard too). They are just living in Bens’ witness protection program. The Sixers aren’t![/quote]

    I think it would be hard for any other 815 survivors to get off the island and not be in the public eye. I’m sure that when they were assumed dead there were funerals for them, local stories in the papers and on the news, etc. If one of them cam eback, I’m pretty sure people would notice.[/quote]
    Maybe not if they didn’t go HOME. If they went to other areas/countries with different identities (provided by Ben and co.) they could conceivably be off island and able to move about OUT of the public eye. This scenario would seem to best suit Sayeed though, and we know HE’S an O6er, so who knows? Maybe this is what D&C meant when they said the last two would be tricky. Maybe we will see someone else off island who ISN’T an O6er who came off another way.[/quote]

    I think if people got off the island secretly and assumed different identities, for example, the first person to do this would have been Kate! She would have no reason to go back as Kate when she knows all she has is jail time waiting for her.

  557. Rita says:

    Lostie #556: Yes, good point about Kate. However, I think we should all be on the lookout for island people (others, losties, etc.) making an appearance off island. We shall see!

  558. Lesley says:

    Absolutely unbelievable amount of new posts since the last time I read! Okay here’s an idea. I love all the book references in this episdoe but maybe we missed something simple pndering all that information. I agree Kate seems to be different but perhaps part of the difference is what she is hiding. There is a law in this country that requires a criminal be brought to trial within 60 days (unless the criminal extends that period of time to prepare for trial and Kate seemed quite unwilling to do that.) Could that indicate that the O6 have not been home nearly as long as we assume they have? Maybe just a few months? Looking in Aaron’s room may give us a clue. Remember the little robots above the bed (and a little toy clock on the dresser – nice)? The robots look the same but one is bigger than the other. I am guessing that Aaron was a baby when rescued but just a few months later he’s a toddler. Wouldn’t you want to hide that? Wouldn’t people want to know what is going on? Maybe Jack cannot face that, as it would confirm the truth? Perhaps that is why going back really scares him. Maybe the Nanny was told Aaron has a growth disorder and needs to be kept away from other kids? Hmmmmm…it seems like “taller ghost Walt” is a clue as well as a shout out doesn’t it?

  559. Trixanna says:

    [quote comment="187246"]- seeems Hurley becomes one of the 6 as Locke will banish him from the group. Locke says, when he puts the grenade in Miles mouth, ‘no point in having rules if nothing happens when they are broken’ (or thereabouts)…so since Locke knows Hurley told Kate about Miles location Locke will send him packing to the beach with Kate

    - Hurley apologises to Jack for going with Locke as he’s the cause of the fight that kills Claire and Jack finds out from Ben or someone (they seem to know all on everyone) that Claire was related to him….Hurley feels responsible for Claire’s death….feels they need to go back because Locke is still there…?

    Hmmm… I think I keep overlooking Hurley because he is such a loveable guy! He DID tell Jack that he should have gone with him… WHY? Does he get banned by Locke (who I am personally in love with, but that could change soon)along with Kate and they end up back with Jack because there is nowhere else to go? Are the O6 all from Jack’s group? So many questions, so few answers.

    I am in total denial about needing LAA… but here I am!

  560. Sunny says:

    Oh wow! just catching up with comments took me half day!
    i love your comments.

    That Jacob definitely has a bad influence in the ones he “chose”, at the beginning Ben must have been acting for good reasons the way he did, but then the power made him this bad insensitive person.
    This is similar to what’s going on with Locke, he was one of my favorites characters, but he is totally losing floor, he feels superior and his attitude like someone said, is 180 different.

    The losties respect him because he has shown he’s special, Ben “killed” him and survived, so that makes him special. Besides no one has a remote clue to what to do, so since he seems failry sure, they rather follow.

    Doesn’t anyone finds rather weird that Desmond hasn’t have FF? i mean, for a while they were one after another one, and since Charlie died, he hasn’t seen anything else…

  561. Sunny says:

    I am not surprised at all at Jack’s behavior about not wanting to see the baby, whatever reason it is, i’m sure he’s making more of a deal of what it really is.

    He is like that, he acts based on nothing really relevant.

    I don’t think Locke will go out of the island, he knows he will have to live on a wheelchair and he’s so adapted to the island they would have to force him to actually leave…

    But who knows, all we know is that whatever we’re thinking, think again! there are always unexpected twists, which makes this show so great.

  562. Circus Mom says:

    When Hurley apoligizes to Jack for going with Locke it might be because Claire followed him which might have set into motion a decision that Jack had to make which cost Claire her life and left Kate with Aaron. Jack would take on all the responsibility himself.

    #552 Roses 12 Good post, Some new twists that prompt thought. On the O6/8 being in their seats on the Airplane found underwater. I beleive that it was reported that they couldn’t recover the bodies because of the location and that they were all presumed there. I don’t think they got them all on video. After a crash like that there would be a jumble of bodies and luggage. Not everyone would be in their seats and bloting would make identification difficult.

    My husband wondered how soon after the “dissapearance” the plain was “found.” Fish, squid and bottom feeders such as shrimp and crab will reduce a body to bare bones in pretty short order and food is scarce in the bottom of the Sundra trench.

  563. Julie says:

    Wow… ok so I do a search for my name on here to find my last post so I know where I need to start reading from…. and I realize that I’ve been slammed for allowing my three year old son to watch Lost.
    First let me say, if you question my decision to allow him to watch it because the violence aspect of the story line I ask you if I should also keep my son away from the nightly news, all anieme (sp?) cartoons that litter the cartoon network and nick? Violence (and in a relatively mild fashion on Lost) is all around us. I choose to not shelter my child from the world around him. His father is a fire fighter so he is allowed to understand that aspect of the world… thus to shut out the rest would be much more confusing.
    Allowing him to watch the show that we all love so much also gives me time to sit down with my son.. discuss his ‘childish’ take.. because honestly… children tend to see things we dont… and explain to him that not everyone who seems bad, is bad.
    This is not a forum for parenting advice and I hate that someone felt the need to bring that into it… so I feel that I must state for good reason that yes, I allow my son to watch Lost. Yes we watch it together. Yes, he knows that it is a TV show and not reality. It is in my opinion that children to are held hostage from the real world are the ones who become a real problem.
    Okay.. that said… we are watching Eggtown again. How in the world am I missing the bicycle painting in Aarons room??? I’ve looked at the screen shot…I’ve looked at the scene… what am I doing wrong? LOL!!!

  564. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="187320"]we are watching Eggtown again. How in the world am I missing the bicycle painting in Aarons room??? I’ve looked at the screen shot…I’ve looked at the scene… what am I doing wrong? LOL!!![/quote]

    I watched the scene on HD the first time around and didn’t notice it. I went back and rewatched on TiVo which is NOT HD and on the non-widescreen version on my tv, only the EDGE of the painting showed – not the bike or the seven of spades.

    : ) P

  565. Laura* says:

    This has been suggested by quite a few people thus far, but I think it is a fabulous idea to start different pages for different comments. We definitely need:

    1. Coffin Talk.
    2. O6 Talk.
    3. Current Episode…

    Seriously, cut out the i think hurley is one of the 6 talk and this blog is down to a more manageable ;) size of 400 lol.

    [quote comment="187319"]When Hurley apoligizes to Jack for going with Locke it might be because Claire followed him which might have set into motion a decision that Jack had to make which cost Claire her life and left Kate with Aaron. Jack would take on all the responsibility himself.

    [/quote]

    Love it Circus Mom. Claaron or Kataaron, I think Jack is too much of a loving man to be THAT disturbed and unwilling to even be at a house with a baby, unless it is MAJOR. He’s a surgeon for goodness sakes.

    I’m not sure it is as ‘simple’ as Claire dying though because Jack did bounce back from Boone in not too long. Definitely something along the lines of choosing Kate over Claire, or messing up (kinda like when Jack thought that the others had murdered bernard/jin/sayid over the phone)

  566. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="187320"] It is in my opinion that children to are held hostage from the real world are the ones who become a real problem.
    Okay.. that said… we are watching Eggtown again. How in the world am I missing the bicycle painting in Aarons room??? I’ve looked at the screen shot…I’ve looked at the scene… what am I doing wrong? LOL!!![/quote]
    People who let their kids watch Lost can’t see the bike. :)

    My ten yr old thinks Kate kidnapped Aaron, and here I am arguing with him that it might be Kate’s baby. LOL

  567. jebtion says:

    I think Kte very will might have captured Kate!

  568. Joel says:

    571 posts took me a very long time to read, so most of you have explored my most useful comments already. I have been reading and responding to this blog since its very early days, but most of my comments went unanswered so I concluded that I didn’t have a real place here. At this point I’d like to ask one question and I hope that someone out there may find it worth an answer. What was Sayid’s primary reason for going to the freighter, especially since his intuition should have warned him that he was messing with something/someone he couldn’t know enough about yet. Is he that arrogant to think that he could singlehandedly manipulate whatever awaits him on the freighter? Or is he already aware of the situation through some hidden alliance? I can’t wait to find out what befalls him (and Desmond) this Thursday.

  569. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="187527"]571 posts took me a very long time to read, so most of you have explored my most useful comments already. I have been reading and responding to this blog since its very early days, but most of my comments went unanswered so I concluded that I didn’t have a real place here. At this point I’d like to ask one question and I hope that someone out there may find it worth an answer. What was Sayid’s primary reason for going to the freighter, especially since his intuition should have warned him that he was messing with something/someone he couldn’t know enough about yet. Is he that arrogant to think that he could singlehandedly manipulate whatever awaits him on the freighter? Or is he already aware of the situation through some hidden alliance? I can’t wait to find out what befalls him (and Desmond) this Thursday.[/quote]
    You have a place here.

    I don’t think we have been given enough to know for sure. But Sayid def. was hell bent on getting to the freighter. The only clues I picked up were the amount of time and respect he was giving to Naomi. I don’t know if he thinks there is a connection to his lost love or if he’s decided he’s not messing around anymore.

  570. Joel says:

    Thanks, Hammer.

  571. Julie says:

    [quote comment="187501"][quote comment="187320"] It is in my opinion that children to are held hostage from the real world are the ones who become a real problem.
    Okay.. that said… we are watching Eggtown again. How in the world am I missing the bicycle painting in Aarons room??? I’ve looked at the screen shot…I’ve looked at the scene… what am I doing wrong? LOL!!![/quote]
    People who let their kids watch Lost can’t see the bike. :)

    My ten yr old thinks Kate kidnapped Aaron, and here I am arguing with him that it might be Kate’s baby. LOL[/quote]

    OHHHH so THATS why!!!!! Makes total sense now! JK!
    When we were watching it last night my son said “That’s her boy.” So I guess he’s subscribing to your theory. LOL!

  572. Sunny says:

    Hi Joel :)

    I think it’s a very good observation about Sayid, at this point of the situation he feels in total control, he is so into the freighters and the rescue, i think he just wants to make sure first that everything that they been told is right.
    He is the right person to do it, among all of the losties i would definitely send him to find out what’s really going on, i trust him completely, and he is capable of handling whatever he has to face.
    And i mean, after killing a guy with his legs, he is so pumped up with adrenaline, feeling like his good old days.

  573. Rita says:

    [quote comment="187527"]571 posts took me a very long time to read, so most of you have explored my most useful comments already. I have been reading and responding to this blog since its very early days, but most of my comments went unanswered so I concluded that I didn’t have a real place here. At this point I’d like to ask one question and I hope that someone out there may find it worth an answer. What was Sayid’s primary reason for going to the freighter, especially since his intuition should have warned him that he was messing with something/someone he couldn’t know enough about yet. Is he that arrogant to think that he could singlehandedly manipulate whatever awaits him on the freighter? Or is he already aware of the situation through some hidden alliance? I can’t wait to find out what befalls him (and Desmond) this Thursday.[/quote]
    Joel #568: I guess when I saw Sayeed so determined to go to the freighter, I figured he saw himself as the soldier who would go in first. They ALL want to know more about the freighter tots and what they are doing there. He probably figured that the only way to get any real info would be to go to the freighter (rather than trust whatever info the tots gave them). He never has been afraid to go in after information, with his military/interagater background.

  574. Sunny says:

    There’s a theory that the FF that we’ve been looking at are in reverse order, being the scene with Jack and Kate at the airport the last event. Jack all messed up, taking pills, yelling to people for not being able to buy more pills, yelling at the hospital, beard grown, drunk, taking planes every friday just wishing the plane will crash again on the island…

    So, i saw the episode last night and when he was in the drugstore trying to buy more pills, someone recognized him and tell the lady at the store “give him whatever he asks for, he’s a hero, you don’t know what he did?”

    So, this can’t be too far from the day they were rescued, i mean, if people still recognizes him, it has to be recent, maybe a month or two. Well it’s just an observation…

    And in the hospital talking with the other doctor, he got upset because everybody was looking at him like for his behavior, and Jack made a comment about his father being more drunk than he is, and he said to bring him….

    But he is dead by this time, why ask to bring him?

  575. Sunny says:

    In the last episode of S3, i saw it in a different way now that we have more information.
    Ben told Jack that if he allows the frighters to find them he (Jack) is going to kill them all, it’s going to be his fault.
    Of course Jack didn’t believe him, he just wants to be rescued and save them all…
    So i’m guessing they really are going to start killing losties, and that’s why Jack feels so guilty.
    I can’t wait to see what’s going to happen.
    But at least we know Ben was right…

  576. Rita says:

    [quote comment="187619"]In the last episode of S3, i saw it in a different way now that we have more information.
    Ben told Jack that if he allows the frighters to find them he (Jack) is going to kill them all, it’s going to be his fault.
    Of course Jack didn’t believe him, he just wants to be rescued and save them all…
    So i’m guessing they really are going to start killing losties, and that’s why Jack feels so guilty.
    I can’t wait to see what’s going to happen.
    But at least we know Ben was right…[/quote]
    OOOOOh Sunny! Gives me chills! I think you may be on to something here. Not sure though that Ben is right. Can’t wait for Thursday night!!!

  577. Missy says:

    [quote comment="187206"]GandT
    Comment 522, posted 4 minutes ago – Quote and reply
    Aaron: Moses’ brother who speaks for Moses with Pharoah. If Jack is the Moses of the show, how would this fit?

    It would’t fit you religious crackpot!! It is a Tv show. Quit trying to prove that 1 piece of fiction (LOST) is connected with another piece of fiction (Bible).[/quote]

    There are far too mnay biblical references in the show to say that there is no association. I think the “Adam and Eve” seen in the caves will be expained at a later date too. Maybe it doesn’t have to be a direct match – Adam and Eve, Moses and Aaron. But I definitely see the correlations there and throught the series.

  578. prtp3warrior says:

    I have always liked lock and still do. He is protecting his fellow survivors. When he was in the hatch he was often not very polite and open. (like when he had ben locked up and when he was trying to convince jack to press the button). For those saying John has lost touch with the island well, he can still walk cant he. In previous episodes, when he was close to loosing touch or just beginning to make contact his legs would quit working. Bottom line is John Locke will be the last man standing when this is over.

    P.S. DOCH, Yes Locke could one punch Kate into a coma and I think For everyones good he should but we know he wont because he does not like violence. He wants only to help.

  579. prtp3warrior says:

    One more thing, Locke is now holding Ben hostage for the second time. If Ben is really the MAD SCIENTIST aka the man behind the mask, why is he prisoner in his own basement at the hands of a man he shot and killed in the last episode of last season.

    P.S. For those of you dis concerted with Locke I respect your opinion and you are entitled to it but I still think you should take another look. LOCKE HAS WORK TO DO!

  580. Sunny says:

    Well, Locke and Ben now are similar they act according to what they believe, no one understands them, but they have their own reasons. I like more Locke than Ben, but his lately attitude….tsk tsk…

    Sayid has been and still is the more focused one, not even influenced by his emotions, like when Ana Lucia killed Shannon, he took it amazingly good… he’s my favorite :)

    Let me recommend in Lostpedia, what the whisperers say…very interesting…

  581. Laura* says:

    [quote comment="187545"]
    I don’t think we have been given enough to know for sure. But Sayid def. was hell bent on getting to the freighter. The only clues I picked up were the amount of time and respect he was giving to Naomi. I don’t know if he thinks there is a connection to his lost love or if he’s decided he’s not messing around anymore.[/quote]

    Don’t forget that Sayid used the going on the helicopter thing as a way of getting away from the Lockies. He is the one that suggested trading Miles for Charlotte so he could get back onto the helicopter. He told Locke that he (Sayid) also didn’t think the freighter tots were to be trusted and so he was going to figure it out.

    I think this is related to Frank asking Jack what Sayid’s job was… it was interesting that they added that comment in.

  582. prtp3warrior says:

    Sunny,
    How do I find “What the Whisperers say”
    Can you sum it up?

    Locke rules still

  583. Sunny says:

    For Ben to be captive means nothing to him, even prisoner, he still has influence in everybody that allows him to talk…like Locke, he let him get into his mind.

    His mouth is his biggest weapon, he needs a granade like Miles.

  584. Sunny says:

    hey warrior, here’s the link to it, i am dying to comment about it, but maybe there’s people that consider it a spoiler, so here you go:

    http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Whisper_transcripts
    :)

  585. prtp3warrior says:

    [quote comment="187684"][quote comment="187545"]
    I don’t think we have been given enough to know for sure. But Sayid def. was hell bent on getting to the freighter. The only clues I picked up were the amount of time and respect he was giving to Naomi. I don’t know if he thinks there is a connection to his lost love or if he’s decided he’s not messing around anymore.[/quote]

    Don’t forget that Sayid used the going on the helicopter thing as a way of getting away from the Lockies. He is the one that suggested trading Miles for Charlotte so he could get back onto the helicopter. He told Locke that he (Sayid) also didn’t think the freighter tots were to be trusted and so he was going to figure it out.

    I think this is related to Frank asking Jack what Sayid’s job was… it was interesting that they added that comment in.[/quote]

    Yes, another thing that must be recognized is the context in which Sayid became bent on getting to the freighter. It was directly after he found the bracelet on naomi and read the inscription. There must be something to that.

  586. prtp3warrior says:

    If Ben does not care and does not feel threatened then why try to kill Locke?

  587. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="187688"]hey warrior, here’s the link to it, i am dying to comment about it, but maybe there’s people that consider it a spoiler, so here you go:

    http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Whisper_transcripts

    :)[/quote]
    I have been wanting to discuss this too. But I don’t know if it’s endorsed by Lost officials so it’s likely spoilerish. But MAN did it change my thoughts after I saw them.

  588. prtp3warrior says:

    Wow Sunny I have never seen those whispers. That is way to weird but there must be something to it.

  589. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="187605"]There’s a theory that the FF that we’ve been looking at are in reverse order, being the scene with Jack and Kate at the airport the last event. Jack all messed up, taking pills, yelling to people for not being able to buy more pills, yelling at the hospital, beard grown, drunk, taking planes every friday just wishing the plane will crash again on the island…

    So, i saw the episode last night and when he was in the drugstore trying to buy more pills, someone recognized him and tell the lady at the store “give him whatever he asks for, he’s a hero, you don’t know what he did?”

    So, this can’t be too far from the day they were rescued, i mean, if people still recognizes him, it has to be recent, maybe a month or two. Well it’s just an observation…

    And in the hospital talking with the other doctor, he got upset because everybody was looking at him like for his behavior, and Jack made a comment about his father being more drunk than he is, and he said to bring him….

    But he is dead by this time, why ask to bring him?[/quote]
    I thought the guy from the drugstore who recognized Jack may have recognized him from the recent news about the car crash where Jack saved the woman & child. Both the doctor and Kate also made reference to Jack doing that, so I could imagine his picture was all over the news: “Oceanic 6 Member Saves Woman and Child from Fiery Car Crash!”

    Regarding Jack’s dad, some people take Jack’s statements as an indication of an alternate timeline where his father doesn’t die, and other people think that his father never died in the first place. My take is that Jack was desparate to get the prescription filled and would say anything to make that happen. Being under the influence of drugs, and in general not being particularly stable mentally, he invoked the name of his father. Perhaps in his delusion he thought his father was still alive, and perhaps that delusion was influenced by having “seen” his father on the island. But I don’t think that his father is alive.

  590. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="187695"]
    I thought the guy from the drugstore who recognized Jack may have recognized him from the recent news about the car crash where Jack saved the woman & child. Both the doctor and Kate also made reference to Jack doing that, so I could imagine his picture was all over the news: “Oceanic 6 Member Saves Woman and Child from Fiery Car Crash!”

    [/quote]You hit it on head. When they guy said “hero” and “don’t you know what he did” he wasn’t ref. to Jack’s actions on the island. We know this because the story Jack told on the stand has been repeated over and over so the public thinks Kate is the hero not Jack…hence he is the hero because of the car crash.

  591. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="187667"]One more thing, Locke is now holding Ben hostage for the second time. If Ben is really the MAD SCIENTIST aka the man behind the mask, why is he prisoner in his own basement at the hands of a man he shot and killed in the last episode of last season.
    [/quote]
    While Locke may be in control now, we know from Sayid’s FF that Ben doesn’t always remain Locke’s prisoner.

    I had mentioned this earlier (comment #31) so I hope it’s OK with myself if I repeat this comment: In the scene where Miles talked to Ben, Kate shot and presumably destroyed the lock to get into that room. And then they left in a hurry, without re-locking the door, and then they ran into Locke. At no point did they show a new lock being put on the door. So my guess is that this will enable Ben to escape, taking the plot of this show in yet another direction.

  592. prtp3warrior says:

    [quote comment="187698"][quote comment="187667"]One more thing, Locke is now holding Ben hostage for the second time. If Ben is really the MAD SCIENTIST aka the man behind the mask, why is he prisoner in his own basement at the hands of a man he shot and killed in the last episode of last season.
    [/quote]
    While Locke may be in control now, we know from Sayid’s FF that Ben doesn’t always remain Locke’s prisoner.

    I had mentioned this earlier (comment #31) so I hope it’s OK with myself if I repeat this comment: In the scene where Miles talked to Ben, Kate shot and presumably destroyed the lock to get into that room. And then they left in a hurry, without re-locking the door, and then they ran into Locke. At no point did they show a new lock being put on the door. So my guess is that this will enable Ben to escape, taking the plot of this show in yet another direction.[/quote]

    Well, while I appreciate the fact, and know that Ben gets off the Island, it may not be of his own fruition. Perhaps Locke banishes him.
    As to the “blown off lock on the door” Come on, seriously. You think John Locke would not check on that and allow ben to escape? That would be the weakest escape excuse ever especially on this show.

    Yes ben gets off the island but that does not imply winning. Example…”We’ve got to go back Kate”

  593. Hammer says:

    “I sincerely apologize to anyone who is upset because this post contains information that may have already been posted on this or any other thread on this or any other blog.”

    “so I hope it’s OK with myself if I repeat this comment”

    Frickin’ awesome! LOL, LOL…my sides and cheeks hurt.

  594. prtp3warrior says:

    THIS JUST IN,
    TOEKNEE!!!!
    What if in Sayids FF, Ben and Locke are in kahouts. They struck a deal to protect the island and since Locke can not leave, He agreed to stay and protect the island while Ben goes and uses Sayid to track and kill anyone who may be able or inclined to find it again. WOW. You know Ben and Locke really have the same agenda, protect the island, keep Jacob safe, and keep others out.

  595. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="187703"]THIS JUST IN,
    TOEKNEE!!!!
    What if in Sayids FF, Ben and Locke are in kahouts. They struck a deal to protect the island and since Locke can not leave, He agreed to stay and protect the island while Ben goes and uses Sayid to track and kill anyone who may be able or inclined to find it again. WOW. You know Ben and Locke really have the same agenda, protect the island, keep Jacob safe, and keep others out.[/quote]
    As good a theory as any I’ve heard so far.

  596. Sunny says:

    I feel that when Ben “kills” somebody is to prove something.
    When he shoot Locke, he knew there was a posibility that he was special to Jacob, and wanted to confirm that,
    and when he shoot Charlotte, i think he knew she was into something fishy, so he knew she had a bullet proof vest…remember he was trying to make them believe those people were not trustable.

    When hurley aproaches Jacobs cabin, we are able to get a better glimpse at Jacob, if you pause the scene, you will see it looks a lot like Jack’s father…even with white shoes like a doctor..

    Remember they couldn’t find his body….it’s a possibility that somehow Jacob is using his body as his…

  597. prtp3warrior says:

    Good points Sunny.

    LOCKE IS THE MAN

  598. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="187714"]

    When hurley aproaches Jacobs cabin, we are able to get a better glimpse at Jacob, if you pause the scene, you will see it looks a lot like Jack’s father…even with white shoes like a doctor..

    Remember they couldn’t find his body….it’s a possibility that somehow Jacob is using his body as his…[/quote]
    I’m not convinced that Jack’s dad was supposed to be Jacob. Remember, there was a second person in there, the eye that scared off Hugo. Not to mention, our first look at Jacob was not Jack’s dad.

  599. vavila says:

    [quote comment="187703"]THIS JUST IN,
    TOEKNEE!!!!
    What if in Sayids FF, Ben and Locke are in kahouts. They struck a deal to protect the island and since Locke can not leave, He agreed to stay and protect the island while Ben goes and uses Sayid to track and kill anyone who may be able or inclined to find it again. WOW. You know Ben and Locke really have the same agenda, protect the island, keep Jacob safe, and keep others out.[/quote]

    spoke about this during last episode: that Locke is also a chosen one (by jacob/island etc) and potentialy tested by Ben (ben shot him and he survived) and now Locke is taking over leadership on the island while Ben works to protect the island from the outside ebcause the threat to the island became greater and has to be dealt on both fronts (esp. on the outside). Don’t know if they actually consiously made a deal, but it looks like they are becoming allies through their relationship to the island and willingless/ability to protect it and lead other people…

  600. Tina says:

    [quote comment="187253"]
    That’s why I believe Daniel’s vision was really a flash-forward. He sees the footage and recalls his time on the island with the survivors. What I can’t wrap my mind around is why Oceanic wants to cover up the crash if it’s already paid out settlements to the O6?[/quote]
    ______________________
    But that doesn’t really make sense. It only makes sense if its a flash back to before he visited the island. Because if the survivors had returned already, then there wouldn’t be a reason for “whoever” to stage the undersea crash find. It only makes sense if the survivors were NEVER supposed to come back to the real world. After they come back and tell their big lie to the world, Oceanic and whoever can say, “oops, we must have found the wrong plane.”

  601. Lesley says:

    I like warrior’s idea that Ben and Locke come to some agreement. Clearly, they both have the security of the island in mind, Locke is able to hear Jacob and Ben is able to see him. If they join forces they can help each other.

    Regarding Sayid on the freighter, I think he said he wanted to find out what was going on. Didn’t more or less tell Locke that he would find out who Ben’s man was by going there. We need to keep in mond that Ben and Sayid were locked in the rec room together and knowing they work together in the future, perhaps Ben disclosed some information to Sayid before he took off in the Huey.

  602. Sunny says:

    There’s an obvious fight for power between Ben and Locke, they both want to be The One, i hardly see them in an alliance, they are always watching each others back from the other, Ben wants Locke dead, and vice versa…

    Ben has more financial interests, Locke is all about the island, so they could be more likely enemies…
    In fact, maybe Locke finally gets Jacob’s trust, and now Ben becomes the enemy to the island, he could just lose track of what is really important and now he just wants money and revenge.

    And i’m not saying that Jack’s father is not dead, just that Jacob might use his body image for some reason… remember sometimes we see it, sometimes we don’t, i don’t think Jacob is a person, but he can definitely take different personalities…

  603. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="187701"]
    Yes ben gets off the island but that does not imply winning. Example…”We’ve got to go back Kate”[/quote]

    I wasn’t trying to say that Ben wins and Locke loses, I was just saying that Ben doesn’t lose. Also, in Sayid’s FF, Ben doesn’t have any regret about leaving the island, unlike Jack and Hurley do, but probably Ben comes snd does from the island as he wishes.

    [quote comment="187703"]THIS JUST IN,
    TOEKNEE!!!!
    What if in Sayids FF, Ben and Locke are in kahouts. They struck a deal to protect the island and since Locke can not leave, He agreed to stay and protect the island while Ben goes and uses Sayid to track and kill anyone who may be able or inclined to find it again. WOW. You know Ben and Locke really have the same agenda, protect the island, keep Jacob safe, and keep others out.[/quote]
    I could see this happening, if they can put aside their petty jealousy of each other. Perhaps the threat posed by the freighters compels Ben and Locke to “live together”.

  604. Tina says:

    [quote comment="187732"]There’s an obvious fight for power between Ben and Locke, they both want to be The One, i hardly see them in an alliance, they are always watching each others back from the other, Ben wants Locke dead, and vice versa…

    Ben has more financial interests, Locke is all about the island, so they could be more likely enemies…
    In fact, maybe Locke finally gets Jacob’s trust, and now Ben becomes the enemy to the island, he could just lose track of what is really important and now he just wants money and revenge.

    And i’m not saying that Jack’s father is not dead, just that Jacob might use his body image for some reason… remember sometimes we see it, sometimes we don’t, i don’t think Jacob is a person, but he can definitely take different personalities…[/quote]
    Maybe a better way to say it is that he assumes different shapes?

  605. ok, i can see kate saying she’s pregnant as a test.
    BUT:
    i can’t see her fooling around, staying the night, and NOT having sex with him.
    UNLESS she’s got her period.
    hence no baby.

  606. Hammer says:

    Just a quick warning about the newest video podcast…It pretty much answers the Claaron/Kaaron debate…so unless you want to know….

  607. vavila says:

    [quote comment="187732"]There’s an obvious fight for power between Ben and Locke, they both want to be The One, i hardly see them in an alliance, they are always watching each others back from the other, Ben wants Locke dead, and vice versa…

    Ben has more financial interests, Locke is all about the island, so they could be more likely enemies…
    In fact, maybe Locke finally gets Jacob’s trust, and now Ben becomes the enemy to the island, he could just lose track of what is really important and now he just wants money and revenge.

    And i’m not saying that Jack’s father is not dead, just that Jacob might use his body image for some reason… remember sometimes we see it, sometimes we don’t, i don’t think Jacob is a person, but he can definitely take different personalities…[/quote]

    I don’t think Ben wants Locke dead, i belive that could have been the test we mentioned before to see if Locke is ‘a chosen one’. i also don’t think that Locke wants Ben dead, he could have easily killed him, but Locke knows that Jacob needs Ben (because Ben was the one jacob could talk to and Locke knows this and trusts Jacob’s guidance) and that ben has alot of info that would be useful to Locke as well. There is certainly some rivary between them, but i belive that they ultimately have the same goals (not sure what excatly they are but) along the lines of protecting the island and they have been informed of their ‘higher’ mission by jacob, so maybe they have not formed an official alliance (Ben is Locke’s captive) but goalwise i belive they are allies and a formal alliance might develop when they find reasons to trust each other (trust is a huge issue, ben is very careful about whom he trusts as he probably should be)

    I think that island is powerful and so is Jacob and if need arised and Ben was found to be dangerous etc then the island itself could get rid of him. Plus i think Ben has sacrificed a lot of himself to protect the island even the beatings that he takes are all because he has soemthing more important that his own body to protect. I don’t think it is all about Ben’s revenge or money, i really belive there is much more to it… we shall see :)

  608. Toeknee says:

    A few people have asked about the bearded man outside the courthouse, and what he yells at Kate. I came across this, where someone played the audio of that scene backwards…

    http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/2008/02/reverse-audio-outside-courtroom.html

    I’m not exactly sure what to make of it. If you read the comments at that link, there’s a wide variety of what people hear, and some of it is laughable.

  609. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="187702"]“I sincerely apologize to anyone who is upset because this post contains information that may have already been posted on this or any other thread on this or any other blog.”

    “so I hope it’s OK with myself if I repeat this comment”

    Frickin’ awesome! LOL, LOL…my sides and cheeks hurt.[/quote] :) I thought about using that first bit as a disclaimer every time I make a comment, but I figured that would be TOO obnoxious.

  610. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="187744"]A few people have asked about the bearded man outside the courthouse, and what he yells at Kate. I came across this, where someone played the audio of that scene backwards…

    http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/2008/02/reverse-audio-outside-courtroom.html

    I’m not exactly sure what to make of it. If you read the comments at that link, there’s a wide variety of what people hear, and some of it is laughable.[/quote]

    A ramble:

    I hear “Clare would hate you” or just a yell then “We hate you”.

  611. vavila says:

    [quote comment="187735"][quote comment="187732"]There’s an obvious fight for power between Ben and Locke, they both want to be The One, i hardly see them in an alliance, they are always watching each others back from the other, Ben wants Locke dead, and vice versa…

    Ben has more financial interests, Locke is all about the island, so they could be more likely enemies…
    In fact, maybe Locke finally gets Jacob’s trust, and now Ben becomes the enemy to the island, he could just lose track of what is really important and now he just wants money and revenge.

    And i’m not saying that Jack’s father is not dead, just that Jacob might use his body image for some reason… remember sometimes we see it, sometimes we don’t, i don’t think Jacob is a person, but he can definitely take different personalities…[/quote]
    Maybe a better way to say it is that he assumes different shapes?[/quote]


    manifestations :)

  612. car news says:

    love that show. might be the best ever

  613. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="187728"][quote comment="187253"]
    That’s why I believe Daniel’s vision was really a flash-forward. He sees the footage and recalls his time on the island with the survivors. What I can’t wrap my mind around is why Oceanic wants to cover up the crash if it’s already paid out settlements to the O6?[/quote]
    ______________________
    But that doesn’t really make sense. It only makes sense if its a flash back to before he visited the island. Because if the survivors had returned already, then there wouldn’t be a reason for “whoever” to stage the undersea crash find. It only makes sense if the survivors were NEVER supposed to come back to the real world. After they come back and tell their big lie to the world, Oceanic and whoever can say, “oops, we must have found the wrong plane.”[/quote]

    Well here is a different slant, the O6 “survive” and return to civilization, prompting a renewed “search” for the plane and the remaining passengers. We don’t know the full story that the O6 have been telling since their “rescue,” just Jack’s version of it from the witness stand. In it, he says that the plane crashed in the water, which would mean that in order for his story to seem real, a plane would have to be found underwater and not in pieces on a beach. SOMEONE planted that plane down there – and it is possible that it was done AFTER what we now see occurring on the island. Therefore it is possible that Daniel’s off-island story is a flashforward and not a flashback. Same with Frank, Miles and Charlotte.

    : ) P

  614. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="187752"]- and it is possible that it was done AFTER what we now see occurring on the island. Therefore it is possible that Daniel’s off-island story is a flashforward and not a flashback. Same with Frank, Miles and Charlotte.

    : ) P[/quote]
    The problem with time line is the real Sawyer (Locke’s dad) when brought to the island mentioned that they found the plane with no survivors…before the O6 and subsequent lies.

  615. Sunny says:

    I think they might want each other dead…not that they will kill each other because the reasons vavila gave (very good point), but they still are humans, and surely deep inside Ben wants to be the only one able to see Jacob, and Locke would like to know everything that Ben knows, the show brings out the best and the worst of each character, and this 2 characters have also their dark side…

  616. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="187757"]The problem with time line is the real Sawyer (Locke’s dad) when brought to the island mentioned that they found the plane with no survivors…before the O6 and subsequent lies.[/quote]

    Hmmm. Don’t remember that part, thanks. However, I am not sure we can necessarily trust Locke’s dad to tell the truth. LOL

    : ) P

  617. Tina says:

    [quote comment="187765"][quote comment="187757"]The problem with time line is the real Sawyer (Locke’s dad) when brought to the island mentioned that they found the plane with no survivors…before the O6 and subsequent lies.[/quote]

    Hmmm. Don’t remember that part, thanks. However, I am not sure we can necessarily trust Locke’s dad to tell the truth. LOL

    : ) P[/quote] Except that he had no reason to lie about that AND what Jack says on the stand is that plane crash on an island in the South Pacific which is no necessarily in the water and is certainly not the Sunda Trench.

  618. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="187765"][quote comment="187757"]The problem with time line is the real Sawyer (Locke’s dad) when brought to the island mentioned that they found the plane with no survivors…before the O6 and subsequent lies.[/quote]

    Hmmm. Don’t remember that part, thanks. However, I am not sure we can necessarily trust Locke’s dad to tell the truth. LOL

    : ) P[/quote]
    This from lostpedia.com. transcript. From The Brig episode. “COOPER: They found your plane on the bottom of the ocean. One minute I’m in a car wreck and the next minute I’m in a pirate ship in the middle of the jungle. If this isn’t hell friend, then where are we?”

    Wow, i feel like ToeKnee!

  619. prtp3warrior says:

    Sounds Convincing

  620. Julie says:

    [quote comment="187765"][quote comment="187757"]The problem with time line is the real Sawyer (Locke’s dad) when brought to the island mentioned that they found the plane with no survivors…before the O6 and subsequent lies.[/quote]

    Hmmm. Don’t remember that part, thanks. However, I am not sure we can necessarily trust Locke’s dad to tell the truth. LOL

    : ) P[/quote]

    I dont think that Locke’s dad keeps tabs on him. So unless he saw a newscast where they had found the wreckage of the plane and thus listed the people ON the plane.. how would he even know he was aboard that plane?
    So for him to just say “omg your dead! your all dead!” that just seems out of line if they hadn’t already found the wreckage and ‘confirmed’ all people aboard were dead.

  621. RGS says:

    [quote comment="187740"][quote comment="187732"]There’s an obvious fight for power between Ben and Locke, they both want to be The One, i hardly see them in an alliance, they are always watching each others back from the other, Ben wants Locke dead, and vice versa…

    Ben has more financial interests, Locke is all about the island, so they could be more likely enemies…
    In fact, maybe Locke finally gets Jacob’s trust, and now Ben becomes the enemy to the island, he could just lose track of what is really important and now he just wants money and revenge.

    [/quote]

    I don’t think Ben wants Locke dead, i belive that could have been the test we mentioned before to see if Locke is ‘a chosen one’. i also don’t think that Locke wants Ben dead, he could have easily killed him, but Locke knows that Jacob needs Ben (because Ben was the one jacob could talk to and Locke knows this and trusts Jacob’s guidance) and that ben has alot of info that would be useful to Locke as well. There is certainly some rivary between them, but i belive that they ultimately have the same goals [/quote]

    You folks really want this Ben guy to be good don’t ya? I’m tellin’ you dude is bad news. He’s got/had control of the island that seems to be his motivation. When Alpert and the Others suspected Locke as being special Ben was having a 2 year old fit!

    Ben was all sarcastic in thinking that Locke would NOT kill his dad. I thought the test was simply bringing Locke to Jacob? Are you saying that once Locke passed this test, Ben decided to re-test him? “If you pass this test, how ’bout this one!… How ’bout this time!”

    Not to mention that Ben gave him a little speech mocking him for not being able to prevent himself from falling into the pit of dead Dharma folks right b4 he shot him. He wanted Locke dead.

    The only reason Locke doesn’t want to outright kill Ben is because Ben has information, and it is not in Locke’s nature to kill w/o imminent danger/purpose. He attempted to Kill Naomi as she was calling in the Stormtroopers. He was going to kill Ben under the writer’s guise of the potential harm to Claire and the baby, not to mention Ben was acting like a loose cannon.

    To me it is as clear as day that Ben wants control of the island for whatever purpose. (Quietly to me it seemed that Jacob was confined in some sort of way, maybe that’s why Ben had a modicum of control in that situation). Though I can’t confirm it is a good purpose, I’ve got that reasoning at a 15% chance.

  622. RGS says:

    [quote comment="187773"][quote comment="187765"][quote comment="187757"]The problem with time line is the real Sawyer (Locke’s dad) when brought to the island mentioned that they found the plane with no survivors…before the O6 and subsequent lies.[/quote]

    Hmmm. Don’t remember that part, thanks. However, I am not sure we can necessarily trust Locke’s dad to tell the truth. LOL

    : ) P[/quote]

    I dont think that Locke’s dad keeps tabs on him. So unless he saw a newscast where they had found the wreckage of the plane and thus listed the people ON the plane.. how would he even know he was aboard that plane?
    So for him to just say “omg your dead! your all dead!” that just seems out of line if they hadn’t already found the wreckage and ‘confirmed’ all people aboard were dead.[/quote]

    Here is yet another issue I have with whether Daniel, Charlotte, Miles, and Frank have FFs. Why would Frank call up the hotline with his quirky reasoning as to why that wasn’t the flight? Why wouldn’t he just say, “That’s not the right airplane, because I’ve seen the survivors!” It can’t be because he’s sworn to secrecy, because he’s making the call.

    Also, the Naomi, Abbadon FB, are you also asserting that was the only random FB? So they did all FFs that episode, but then threw in a FB? It would seem like having those as FFs, would introduce a whole other storyline. What would be the purpose of Charlotte looking for Dharma tags off the island, once she’s been there? How would that tie back in to the main characters?

    The FFs that we know of, address the relationships of the main characters, and their motivations at the time. Presumably to expound upon the mystery of island and how it now relates to them.

  623. RGS says:

    [quote comment="187773"][quote comment="187765"][quote comment="187757"]The problem with time line is the real Sawyer (Locke’s dad) when brought to the island mentioned that they found the plane with no survivors…before the O6 and subsequent lies.[/quote]

    Hmmm. Don’t remember that part, thanks. However, I am not sure we can necessarily trust Locke’s dad to tell the truth. LOL

    : ) P[/quote]

    I dont think that Locke’s dad keeps tabs on him. So unless he saw a newscast where they had found the wreckage of the plane and thus listed the people ON the plane.. how would he even know he was aboard that plane?
    So for him to just say “omg your dead! your all dead!” that just seems out of line if they hadn’t already found the wreckage and ‘confirmed’ all people aboard were dead.[/quote]

    I suppose if those are flashforwards we could be looking at Lost Spinoffs, like Different Strokes had “The Facts of Life” and “Hello Larry” (bet you folks don’t remember that lame show). Or ‘Happy Days’ had, “Joanie Loves Chachi”, “Mork and Mindy”, “Laverne and Shirley” and “Blanksie’s Beauties”…oops I did it again. Shoot ‘Happy Days’ is a spinoff in and of itself…from “Love American Style.”

  624. rdizzle says:

    This past week’s episode should have been called “Locke-down.”

  625. Rita says:

    [quote comment="187838"]This past week’s episode should have been called “Locke-down.”[/quote]
    With someone’s info that “egg town” meant a place of “bad deals”, I think eggtown was a perfect title! But then, it was certainly “Locke-down” too.

  626. ANON2 says:

    [quote comment="187823"]
    When Alpert and the Others suspected Locke as being special Ben was having a 2 year old fit!
    Ben was all sarcastic in thinking that Locke would NOT kill his dad.
    [/quote]
    I agree – Ben still bad. Ben thinks that Locke killed daddy con-man. We know he did not. Richard Alpert feed Locke the file they had on James Ford. Locke got James to kill the con-man. So Richard has info that Ben doesn’t. He knows / suspects that Locke did not do the kill in “The Brig”, though Locke hauled the 200 pound bag-o-dad back to Ben.

  627. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="187885"][quote comment="187823"]
    When Alpert and the Others suspected Locke as being special Ben was having a 2 year old fit!
    Ben was all sarcastic in thinking that Locke would NOT kill his dad.
    [/quote]
    I agree – Ben still bad. Ben thinks that Locke killed daddy con-man. We know he did not.

    Richard Alpert feed Locke the file they had on James Ford. Locke got James to kill the con-man. So Richard has info that Ben doesn’t. He knows / suspects that Locke did not do the kill in “The Brig”, though Locke hauled the 200 pound bag-o-dad back to Ben.[/quote]
    This reminds me of discussions we had last season. Ben has been losing the respect of his clan and remember that the clan was excited to see Locke show up. They think he is special and Ben seemed jealous of the fact. He even belittle Locke in front of them. The only really faithful followers were killed at the beach battle. So (possible trader) Alpert and the temple dwellers may still be looking to follow Locke instead of Ben…

  628. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="187833"]
    I suppose if those are flashforwards we could be looking at Lost Spinoffs, like Different Strokes had “The Facts of Life” and “Hello Larry” (bet you folks don’t remember that lame show). Or ‘Happy Days’ had, “Joanie Loves Chachi”, “Mork and Mindy”, “Laverne and Shirley” and “Blanksie’s Beauties”…oops I did it again. Shoot ‘Happy Days’ is a spinoff in and of itself…from “Love American Style.”[/quote]
    LOL! I remember “Hello, Larry”, with the great McLean Stevenson. I don’t know if I knew it was a spinoff of Diff’rent Strokes. However, I never heard of “Blanksie’s Beauties” – are you sure about that one?

  629. Laura* says:

    [quote comment="187903"]
    So (possible trader) Alpert and the temple dwellers may still be looking to follow Locke instead of Ben…[/quote]

    I love it. This whole time we’ve been focusing on what Ben is up to and who the freighter tots are. If the temple tots were to change loyalties, and decide not to back Ben it would totally shift the dynamic of the island as we now know it. Maybe they will decide to come back to their homes in the barracks.

    I do have to question Ben losing power, however, because in the Economist it sure seemed like he had an awful lot of power. Yes he might get down, and not be as strong for a bit, but it is not nearly as compelling now that we know he will not only live, but he has the ability to coax Sayid into doing his dirty work (and Sayid sold his soul to him!).

  630. leah says:

    Im sorry to interupt but some of us are having an EARTHQUAKE !! right at this minute!

  631. RGS says:

    [quote comment="187927"][quote comment="187833"]
    I suppose if those are flashforwards we could be looking at Lost Spinoffs, like Different Strokes had “The Facts of Life” and “Hello Larry” (bet you folks don’t remember that lame show). Or ‘Happy Days’ had, “Joanie Loves Chachi”, “Mork and Mindy”, “Laverne and Shirley” and “Blanksie’s Beauties”…oops I did it again. Shoot ‘Happy Days’ is a spinoff in and of itself…from “Love American Style.”[/quote]
    LOL! I remember “Hello, Larry”, with the great McLean Stevenson. I don’t know if I knew it was a spinoff of Diff’rent Strokes. However, I never heard of “Blanksie’s Beauties” – are you sure about that one?[/quote]

    Lol, I used to always, ALWAYS stump friends with the “Hello Larry” reference, there are a suprising number of folks who remember it, once you explain where it came from. I would say how many spinoffs did Different Strokes have? I would also stump them on Happy Days on two levels. Once as a question of what it was a spinoff from (Love American Style), and then the number of spinoffs, NO ONE ever knows the number. They all want to say 2, Joanie Loves Chachi and Laverne and Shirley. They frequently forget Mork and Mindy, and NEVER remember (hell even I misspelled it and just double checked it on wikipedia) “Blansky’s Beauties” a show that I had to sneak off and watch as my parents did not like the content. I only saw one episode as I didn’t really follow what was going on.

  632. Mel says:

    Could Kates Aaron be a clone? Laugh if you want, this is lost anything is possible. The others did stuff to Clare and it is still a mystery what the others did to Kate before her breakfast with Ben on the beach. Please, someone respond, you can tell me I crazy but lets face it, things aren’t adding up.

  633. Trixanna says:

    #632 Mel. It is certainly possible… as is ANYTHING. You make a good point, and if you are crazy, it is because LOST has made you that way.

    I am just dying to see the new episode on Thursday to find out how wrong we all are on everything that has been posted this week. One thing is for sure, we will have MORE questions than answers after the next episode. Grrrrr!!!!

  634. prtp3warrior says:

    That’s it BEN is hereby banished from the Island for putting his personal selfishness above the good of the Island.

  635. prtp3warrior says:

    Locke, kick his *** off. Tell him if he ever comes back you will kill him.

  636. PJSander says:

    Has anyone else noticed that the weeks seems SO MUCH LONGER now that we have to wait until THURSDAYS to see the newest episode of LOST? (Maybe THAT explains the lost 31 minutes!)

    Does anyone know when the next meeting of LAA is? *g*

    : ) P

  637. Tina says:

    [quote comment="187952"]Could Kates Aaron be a clone?

    Laugh if you want, this is lost anything is possible. The others did stuff to Clare and it is still a mystery what the others did to Kate before her breakfast with Ben on the beach. Please, someone respond, you can tell me I crazy but lets face it, things aren’t adding up.[/quote]
    Eh, I don’t buy clones, it doesn’t really fit with the current mythos.

  638. prtp3warrior says:

    Here is a brain teaser. How do we know that Sayid is one of the Oceanic 6

  639. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="188262"]Here is a brain teaser. How do we know that Sayid is one of the Oceanic 6[/quote]
    Tough one…but I’ll go with because he said so…during the golf match.

    From the lostpedia transcript: SAYID: Actually, a plane crash. Oceanic Airlines flight 8-1-5. I’m Sayid Jarrah, one of the Oceanic Six.

    [MAN looks scared and shocked.]

  640. prtp3warrior says:

    Exactly!!!! If he was scared and shocked by one of the O6 then why would he not have recognized Sayid

  641. prtp3warrior says:

    If the SIX are famous then how would Sayid be comfortable
    with Else not discovering his Identity?

  642. prtp3warrior says:

    I think there are more than SIX that got off the Island and Sayid is operating under a false identity and only reveals who he really is when he wants to scare the dog**** out of someone.

  643. RGS says:

    [quote comment="188273"]If the SIX are famous then how would Sayid be comfortable
    with Else not discovering his Identity?[/quote]

    Actually, the writer’s admitted that Sayid is an O6. The writer’s confrimed, Hurley, Jack, Sayid, and Kate, are definitely 4 of the 6.

    The fact that dude did not recognize him is one of those potential “plot holes” which occassionally surface when we Losties over-analyze. Someone posted earlier how when Locke throws the eggs against the wall, the wall actually moves (fake production wall…or is the wall FAKE and the Others are on the other side in the Temple, waiting for their opportunity to spring?).

  644. prtp3warrior says:

    This is not the case of a cheap prop. The whole Dharma barraks looks cheap in fact. I think it is suppose to. But back to my point, This would not be the first time we(the fans) have been mislead to keep a major plot twist secret. I am not saying I am sure or even that there is a real chance but for it to be ruled out as a development for me I will need more than a vague statement at some meet and greet given by the writers.

  645. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="188276"]I think there are more than SIX that got off the Island and Sayid is operating under a false identity and only reveals who he really is when he wants to scare the dog**** out of someone.[/quote]
    I see your train of thought, just not buying it…yet.

  646. vavila says:

    OK :)

    RGS 621, i see your points, i don’t necessrily really want to see Ben as a good guy, but i hope that he has higher goals in what he does and basically even though his means make him look very evil, hopefully they’ll get the desirable ‘higher good’, which s hopefully worth it. I think that ebcause of this ‘higher good’ agenda Sayid joins Ben and this is also why people like Alpert are with Ben, and this is also why Ben tried to get rid of Dharma camp people originally (it cannot be that eh just wanted to kill them, there gotta be a better reason!)

    I also don’t think that Ben’s motivation is simply to ‘control’ the island –> whats’ the point of that? what he can get from that? I don’t know what it is, but i buy into the whole protecting island vs. those who want to exploit it and think that Ben is on protecting side with Jacob (who guides him to some extent) and he knows what the danger to the island is and he was intrusted by Jacob to help protect it by any means necessary..

    Re-test – yes, yes, you got a point… maybe he’s testing him for ability to kill, which Ben has but Locke does not (thus Sayid is more capable and suitable for what he does in FF than Locke), then he tests Locke’s leadership (mocks him when Locke tries to talk to him in the basement), maybe Ben is molding Locke for the much needed leadership role on the island. Locke has already seen Jacob, he was also able to split losties and now he leads them (perhaps just like Ben was leading others), so Locke is becoming in certain ways more like Ben…

    A lot of these assumptions come to Ben/Jacob relationship and I don’t know what it is, but i assume that they are on the same side, and i belive that jacob represents the ‘island’

    Hammer 627: Alpert and the temple crew might want to follow Locke instead of Ben. I don’t think it is about personalities (otherwise ben would not lead as he is not the most lovely guy out there), but about ‘followers’ belief that leader knows what to do (i think others are generally on board of what threatens the island and know that Jacob talks to Ben so Ben emerges as a leader as he knows what threats are and can help protect agaist them), but Locke is not fully on board yet, but i think they are ‘working on him’ to bring him on board once he can be trusted to lead them all in efforts to protect the island (this will also free Ben for outside the island protective work). I think Ben is testing Locke all the time even while he’s imprisoned by him… and i think that this is what ben wants to do right now and where he wants to be and not because he has no better things to do, but because Locke will be crucial to whatever he needs to do…. hmmm.. speculations, speculations :)

    Laura* 629: Questioning Ben seemingly loosing power – i agree, and i think that as more is revealed about the true purpose of Ben’s work to the trusworthy people like Sayid and Locke, the more usefulness of Ben will be realized and he’ll continue his mission now with a solid backing from some losties…

  647. prtp3warrior says:

    My point, If Oceanic, Ben, Dharma, Abbaddon, or the great new and improved omniscient Walt are staging a cover up, there will be loose ends because cover ups are never as clean and tight as they are hoped or planned to be.

  648. prtp3warrior says:

    Lets face it, an international celebrity is not the best choice for an undercover hitman.

  649. prtp3warrior says:

    TY for your responses to this RGS and HAmmer

  650. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="188284"]This is not the case of a cheap prop. The whole Dharma barraks looks cheap in fact. I think it is suppose to. But back to my point, This would not be the first time we(the fans) have been mislead to keep a major plot twist secret. I am not saying I am sure or even that there is a real chance but for it to be ruled out as a development for me I will need more than a vague statement at some meet and greet given by the writers.[/quote]
    Using that reasoning, only Hugo would be an O6er. He’s the only one that stated it publically right? I mean Jack said something about him and Kate being 6 of the eight that made it, but he didn’t say he and Kate were O6ers. Using your logic, there could be second set of survivors until it is 100% confirmed by wathing the show and not listening to the producers/writers…right?

  651. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="188296"]TY for your responses to this RGS and HAmmer[/quote]
    Hey, I’m always up for a good debate!

  652. prtp3warrior says:

    Yes, Locke will be caretaker of the Island because he can not leave and Ben and Sayid will be taking out anyone who may one day become a threat to it.

  653. prtp3warrior says:

    Of course not Hammer, Kate and Jack both Stated it in court. That ,without Sayid, would make it Three confirmed. This would leave room for Sun Jin and…………………………………oooooooooooo
    ooooooooooooooooooooooooooodrdrdrdrdrdrdrdrdrdrdmmmmm
    MICHEAL (Walt is in Hiding)LOLOLOL

  654. prtp3warrior says:

    I await your reply SIR. (as soon as you finish LYAO)

  655. skweez says:

    [quote comment="188271"]Exactly!!!! If he was scared and shocked by one of the O6 then why would he not have recognized Sayid[/quote]

    He may have been visibly shaken, but that could have been due to him knowing about the coverup and whatever other info. we don’t have at this point and not necessarily knowing that one of the O6 would be there to kill him.

  656. Miraks says:

    [quote comment="188271"]Exactly!!!! If he was scared and shocked by one of the O6 then why would he not have recognized Sayid[/quote]

    I believe he said that he recognized him from somewhere- just wasn’t sure where, which is totaly believable. He (italian dude) probably would not have seen as much coverage on the O6 (somehow I think the media circus would mostly take place in the US, with less coverage in other countries) so he knew his face, just could not place him. And, if he had some insight/ connection to the “real deal” with what happened to the O6, he would have looked scared once he put two and two together (or in this case, the face and the name).

  657. prtp3warrior says:

    All good points, and mine is weak but I remain unconvinced.

  658. DocH says:

    [quote comment="188290"]
    … i don’t necessrily really want to see Ben as a good guy, but i hope that he has higher goals in what he does and basically even though his means make him look very evil,…
    [/quote]
    Higher goals. Did you forget his first act of evil (that we know of)? He murdered his father… A custodian… What threat was his father to the greater good? Did his “daddy issue” (neglected childhood) warrant cold-blooded, premeditated, first degree murder. It wasn’t a quick death either. Gassing someone, even though they pass-out, usually involves about ten minutes of oxygen starvation to the brain before they die. Ben didn’t blink twice. Why? Answer: He is EVIL. Then there are all the folks he killed, or tried to kill, after that. Unless he needs someone, then he coerces, blackmails, physically and emotionally duresses them to do what he wants. He is so evil, he has his PhD. Ben Linus = Dr. Evil.

    (I believe he went to evil medical school so people would stop calling him Mr. Evil.)

  659. RGS says:

    [quote comment="188290"]OK :)

    RGS 621, i see your points, i don’t necessrily really want to see Ben as a good guy, but i hope that he has higher goals in what he does and basically even though his means make him look very evil, hopefully they’ll get the desirable ‘higher good’, which s hopefully worth it. I think that ebcause of this ‘higher good’ agenda Sayid joins Ben and this is also why people like Alpert are with Ben, and this is also why Ben tried to get rid of Dharma camp people originally (it cannot be that eh just wanted to kill them, there gotta be a better reason!)

    I also don’t think that Ben’s motivation is simply to ‘control’ the island –> whats’ the point of that? what he can get from that? I don’t know what it is, but i buy into the whole protecting island vs. those who want to exploit it and think that Ben is on protecting side with Jacob. A lot of these assumptions come to Ben/Jacob relationship and I don’t know what it is, but i assume that they are on the same side, and i belive that jacob represents the ‘island’

    Hammer 627: Alpert and the temple crew might want to follow Locke instead of Ben. I don’t think it is about personalities but about ‘followers’ belief that leader knows what to do, hmmm.. speculations, speculations :)[/quote]

    I see your points as well, but I view your points as falling into that 10% (yep I just reduced it even further) chance that he is good.

    I don’t think he wanted to kill the Dharma folks just to do it, rather ridding himself of them gave him freedom. He’s the son of Roger…the Workman. I don’t think he had much clout in that position. However, when he is the person to in effect lead the coup (he must have been instrumental in it) that gave way for him to get power and respect of The Others and a potential leadership role.

    Coouple that with the fact that Dharma continued food drops. Perhaps he is/was the point of contact able to keep the front going. Ben would say something like, “there was an attack, almost everyone is dead, but I and few others were able to ward them off…we can continue the work,” and so the DI kept going as intended, or so they thought. This would also give him power over the Others, as they don’t want anymore intrusions.

    Finally you are assuming that Ben/Jacob relationship is a good one/same side, I am not totally convinced of this, especially in light of the “Help Me” comment Jacob said to Locke. Perhaps Ben figured out some kind of way to confine Jacob to that rocking chair, in that cabin.

    So yes Ben wants to protect the island and his interests, however his interests may not be the higher purpose, rather greed. How does he get all that money anyway?

  660. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="188304"]Of course not Hammer, Kate and Jack both Stated it in court. That ,without Sayid, would make it Three confirmed. This would leave room for Sun Jin and…………………………………oooooooooooo
    ooooooooooooooooooooooooooodrdrdrdrdrdrdrdrdrdrdmmmmm
    MICHEAL (Walt is in Hiding)LOLOLOL[/quote]
    Whoa. Okay that brings us to…agree to disagree until futher notice. LOL

  661. Miraks says:

    [quote comment="188325"][quote comment="188290"]
    … i don’t necessrily really want to see Ben as a good guy, but i hope that he has higher goals in what he does and basically even though his means make him look very evil,…
    [/quote]
    Higher goals. Did you forget his first act of evil (that we know of)? He murdered his father… A custodian… What threat was his father to the greater good? Did his “daddy issue” (neglected childhood) warrant cold-blooded, premeditated, first degree murder. It wasn’t a quick death either. Gassing someone, even though they pass-out, usually involves about ten minutes of oxygen starvation to the brain before they die. Ben didn’t blink twice. Why? Answer: He is EVIL.

    Then there are all the folks he killed, or tried to kill, after that. Unless he needs someone, then he coerces, blackmails, physically and emotionally duresses them to do what he wants. He is so evil, he has his PhD. Ben Linus = Dr. Evil.

    (I believe he went to evil medical school so people would stop calling him Mr. Evil.)[/quote]
    By that logic, wouldn’t Locke be evil, too? He locked his father up and brought in Sawyer KNOWING that he would and EXPECTING him to kill his father (he wasn’t going to let Sawyer out of that room until his (locke’s) father was dead). I would call that pre-meditated murder.

  662. DocH says:

    [quote comment="188271"]
    Exactly!!!! If he was scared and shocked by one of the O6 then why would he not have recognized Sayid.
    [/quote]
    > Honestly, I watch a good bit of news, and I could not immediately recognize one face from last months disaster d’jour, let alone last weeks disaster of the day.
    > Scared… Shocked! Business-man Mr. Avellino (anagram: evil loan) came-off more like Alert… Slightly Intimdated… Concerned.
    > His concern – Avellino is on the opposite side of the Sixer/OA815 conspiracy (with the Economist-guy, Elsa, and company). Hearing the O6 reference alerted him. “What a coincidence?”, “Thats’ odd!”, and finally “Oh crap – is he going to do something to me?”. If he really feared for his life he would have split (or attacked) ASAP. Instead, he remained and offered to defer their golf bet (i.e. not a response to shock).

  663. Rita says:

    interesting talk about Ben’s leadership role. In season 2, Ben implied that the Others followed him because he was born on the island (yes, we know he wasn’t, but they didn’t know that) and that made him “special”. Also, in season 3 Ben had to confess to Mikhail that he lied about the Looking Glass station being flooded and the two girls’ assignment in Canada. Mikhail seemed a bit shaken by Ben’s lying. Possibly everyone who knew Ben lied is now dead (speaking only of the Others here). I think his followers genuinely believe(d) in him, that he has the right/moral authority/whatever to lead them.
    Now Locke comes along. I think he is a real threat to Ben. I can go along with Ben testing him with Jacob’s cabin, but when Locke “passed” the test, Ben realized how great the threat was, and tried to kill him (Locke was never dead). I don’t buy it that Ben is testing him to goad him into leadership. I think he really wants him gone, and for everything to be the way it was before the losties came.

  664. Miraks says:

    As an aside- I think when Ben said that he was born on the island, he meant it in a spiritual/ metaphorical way. It was on the island that he was “born”, that he became someone. People talk about being born/ re-born in a spiritual way all the time- in fact, that is what is happening to several of our Losties, I think :-)

  665. vavila says:

    658 and 659 :)
    let my speculations continue :)
    when killing off Dharma, Ben said that Dharma came seeking harmony but could not even co-exist with the island’s original inhabitants. Then he said that when it became clear that once side had to go, he did what he had to do, and obeviously he chose the side of ‘original inhabitants’.

    He turned his back on original Dharma who could not live in peace with locals. Now he is either a) ironically became like Dharma he sought to destroy, as a person who controls island (Jacob saying help me etc) and therefore not living in harmony with the island or its original inhabitants and maybe became the leader of locals out of their fear of what he can do (?)or b) continues to leave in peace with the original inhabitants and the island and seeks to protect it by any means (but now Dharama -outside the island people- are ready for a pay back jeopardizing island’s peace and Ben’s as well as original inhabitants’ security even more than ever before that is why original inhabitants are looking for someone like Locke for help), or option c) etc which i didn’t think of yet :)

    with option a, my question is what for? kills Dharma off because he is evil, ok, but what does this assumed control over island gives him? bruses? beatings? why not take the money (with his great manipulative skills this should not be an issue), buy yourself your own island and enjoy it, why borther with this stuff? cannot be for financial gains? hmm….

    as for father, this will sound really twisted, but, he already made the decision to kill off Dharma, includign his father, but he killed his father personally (what a human touch to Dr Evil :) and unloaded on him some of the issues he had with him and that was a new beginning for Dr Evil, this is where goals became more important than means and human lives lost their value for him as lives of someone like his own father became meaningless enough for him to kill him…

  666. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="188342"]As an aside- I think when Ben said that he was born on the island, he meant it in a spiritual/ metaphorical way. It was on the island that he was “born”, that he became someone. People talk about being born/ re-born in a spiritual way all the time- in fact, that is what is happening to several of our Losties, I think :-)[/quote]
    I’d have to go back, but I don’t think he used the word born. I think he said something to the effect of “been here all my life”. Just symantics.

  667. DocH says:

    [quote comment="188334"]
    By that logic, wouldn’t Locke be evil, too? He locked his father up and brought in Sawyer KNOWING that he would and EXPECTING him to kill his father (he wasn’t going to let Sawyer out of that room until his (locke’s) father was dead). I would call that pre-meditated murder.[/quote]
    Yep. I am not pro-Locke either. He had his criminal past too before the island like smuggling guns to the hippie pot farm in Northern California. Evil? Not evil? Just plain crimminal? As for a means to an end. Higher or Greater goods and the leaders that lead you down that path are always fallible – I’ll lump Ben in w/ Hitler – Locke is more of a Rev. Jim Jones type.

  668. vavila says:

    In sumamry, twisted manipulative ruthless – absolutely yes, but still not sure about his intentions…

  669. prtp3warrior says:

    Hey yea, Did they ever resolve the question of whether John Locke was a farmer or a hunter and did he kill that agent? They better get back to that.

  670. Tina says:

    [quote comment="188339"][quote comment="188271"]
    Exactly!!!! If he was scared and shocked by one of the O6 then why would he not have recognized Sayid.
    [/quote]
    > Honestly, I watch a good bit of news, and I could not immediately recognize one face from last months disaster d’jour, let alone last weeks disaster of the day.
    > Scared… Shocked! Business-man Mr. Avellino (anagram: evil loan) came-off more like Alert… Slightly Intimdated… Concerned.
    > His concern – Avellino is on the opposite side of the Sixer/OA815 conspiracy (with the Economist-guy, Elsa, and company). Hearing the O6 reference alerted him. “What a coincidence?”, “Thats’ odd!”, and finally “Oh crap – is he going to do something to me?”. If he really feared for his life he would have split (or attacked) ASAP. Instead, he remained and offered to defer their golf bet (i.e. not a response to shock).[/quote]
    I couldn’t agree with your more DocH. That scene didn’t register to me as Sayid being unrecognizable. I got shcok and surprise followed by concern and then fear. Allevino was definitely part of the coverup/widmore corp/dharma/whoever on Ben’s list.

  671. rdizzle says:

    [quote comment="188279"][quote comment="188273"]If the SIX are famous then how would Sayid be comfortable
    with Else not discovering his Identity?[/quote]

    Actually, the writer’s admitted that Sayid is an O6. The writer’s confrimed, Hurley, Jack, Sayid, and Kate, are definitely 4 of the 6.

    The fact that dude did not recognize him is one of those potential “plot holes” which occassionally surface when we Losties over-analyze. Someone posted earlier how when Locke throws the eggs against the wall, the wall actually moves (fake production wall…or is the wall FAKE and the Others are on the other side in the Temple, waiting for their opportunity to spring?).[/quote]

    I don’t think it was a ‘plot-hole’. Maybe the guy that got shot on the golf course, that didn’t recognize Sayid, just didn’t pay much attention to the media… There are plenty of things out there that I just don’t feel like clearing out some space in my brain to fit it in. I don’t have much space in there as it is…. real estate is valuable there. lol.

  672. prtp3warrior says:

    Anyone Know which episode Locke got busted smuggling guns on to “The Farm”

  673. Rita says:

    [quote comment="188342"]As an aside- I think when Ben said that he was born on the island, he meant it in a spiritual/ metaphorical way. It was on the island that he was “born”, that he became someone. People talk about being born/ re-born in a spiritual way all the time- in fact, that is what is happening to several of our Losties, I think :-)[/quote]
    Well, I could be mistaken and will recheck, but I do believe he said he was born on the island, and that the Others believed this, in a physical way. When he brought it up (was it to Locke?) he then told that it wasn’t true. (But we knew that because we had already seen where he was born). If it had only been a spiritual re-birth, he wouldn’t have admitted that it wasn’t true.

  674. Tina says:

    [quote comment="188346"]In sumamry, twisted manipulative ruthless – absolutely yes, but still not sure about his intentions…[/quote]
    Are you suggesting that in order to accurately catagorize some one as “evil” you must know the depths of that person’s intentions?

    i’m just looking for clarification in the evil vs. not evil ben debate.

  675. rdizzle says:

    do we know what the next episode is going to be called? Geez… I countdown the days til thursday like a drug addict. I have offically dubbed my thursdays “Lost Sushi” night. Great combo.

  676. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="188356"]Hey yea, Did they ever resolve the question of whether John Locke was a farmer or a hunter and did he kill that agent? They better get back to that.[/quote]
    [quote comment="188370"]Anyone Know which episode Locke got busted smuggling guns on to “The Farm”[/quote]

    Season 3, Episode 3, “Further Instructions”

    And no, Locke did not kill the undercover agent.

  677. RGS says:

    [quote comment="188343"]658 and 659 :)
    Now he is either a) ironically became like Dharma he sought to destroy, as a person who controls island (Jacob saying help me etc) and therefore not living in harmony with the island or its original inhabitants and maybe became the leader of locals out of their fear of what he can do (?)or b) continues to leave in peace with the original inhabitants and the island and seeks to protect it by any means

    with option a, my question is what for? kills Dharma off because he is evil, ok, but what does this assumed control over island gives him? Cannot be for financial gains? hmm….

    as for father, this will sound really twisted, but, he already made the decision to kill off Dharma, includign his father, but he killed his father personally [/quote]

    Interesting thought process. Just because he denounces Dharma, does not necessarily mean he is or is not living in harmony with the island. That’s kinda still up in the air.

    The reason he’d want control of it? Hmmm, “What if I told you there was a box on that island, that could bring you anything you wanted?” I can’t remember his exact quote. If the island can bring you anything you want in some box…that’d be a great reason to harness it. It looks like some folks can not age there…another reason to harness it. Somehow by living there he’s accumulated a great amount of wealth. Wealth he most certainly did not have prior to the purge. I’m not sure there are other islands all over the place that can give one all of these things.

    I would look at the flip side of killing his father personally, as a sign of being a stone cold killer.

  678. prtp3warrior says:

    Toeknee how do you know?

  679. Toeknee says: