Ji Yeon

Sun from Lost Season 4 episode Ji Yeon

So what do we know about tonight’s episode?

  1. Most of the actors/actresses involved with Lost have referred to this particular episode as “the most shocking” of the first seven – that alone sends chills up my spine
  2. Ji Yeon does not literally translate to anything (as far as I have been able to research, staying away from spoiler-filled info) – so it is probably a reference to the name of a person we will meet tonight

Spoiler Warning

ABC’s Official Show Description

“Juliet is forced to reveal some startling news to Jin when Sun threatens to move to Locke’s camp. Meanwhile, Sayid and Desmond begin to get an idea of the freighter crew’s mission when they meet the ship’s Captain”

So – what could the “shocking” development be? We know that this episode will be divided between the Island and the Freighter – so one might assume that the shocker will be the big reveal of Michael as Ben’s man on the boat (if you subscribe to that theory)… But, I think that is too obvious and something much grander will take place tonight, especially in light of the fact that we have to wait another four weeks for Episode 8.

Episode Preview

Here are an over-abundance of sneak peeks for this week’s episode:
Sneak Peek 1 | Sneak Peek 2 | Sneak Peek 3 | Sneak Peek 4 | Sneak Peek 5 | Sneak Peek 6

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737 Responses to Ji Yeon

  1. spiralturtle says:

    Ha! First!

    I can’t wait to find out who Ben’s man on the boat is. But there are other questions I’m dying to have answered

    1. What’s the story behind the four-toed statue and the temple?

    2. Who is Jacob and what are his powers?

    Anyone have any info on these?

  2. skweez says:

    Ha! Second! I can’t wait either. Finally, hopefully, we’ll be able to put to bed the whole “who is Ben’s man on the freighter”. Less than 4 hours to go, for the enhanced ep, that is!

  3. eric says:

    pretty sure that we get one more episode next week before the non-hiatus break. I know they had discussed breaking after this one, but I think in the end they decided to show all 8 and then do the break.

  4. Sawyer's Evil Twin says:

    I know plenty of people think having Michael on the freighter wouldn’t be surprising. But I think the people on this blog are very unique. They have really dissected this show. Where as the majority of the people who watch this show probably never even considered Michael. I would imagine the people that read this blog are in a very tiny group of the viewership. It may not surprise you but it will surprise 99% of the viewers. Just my opinion.

  5. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="196008"]I know plenty of people think having Michael on the freighter wouldn’t be surprising. But I think the people on this blog are very unique. They have really dissected this show. Where as the majority of the people who watch this show probably never even considered Michael. I would imagine the people that read this blog are in a very tiny group of the viewership. It may not surprise you but it will surprise 99% of the viewers. Just my opinion.[/quote]
    It would supprise me because I still think that although Michael may be there Walt is Ben’s man. Much of the logic behind it being Michael is that we know he is returning to the show and think this is where he will show up. After more thought I don’t think Michael would make a good spy for Ben. He reacts without thinking and I just don’t think he is smart enough to do what Ben needs. I guess we will all find out tonight.

  6. myleee says:

    i agree that Michael being Ben’s man on the boat is wayy to predictable. michael will show his face on the show soon enough, but being the man on the boat is too easy. he might be one of the Oceanic 6(8), along with Walt, since Ben let them leave.

    i think Sayid might be Ben’s man on the boat since we already know that Sayid is working for Ben in the future. Or it could be Desmond, secretly working with Ben since he has his own reasons to get off the island. Ben and Desmond havent really reacted with each other at all in any episode in any season, its a very broad possibility. Both Sayid and Desmond volunteered to go to the freighter, and Sayid even convinced Jack not to go (i may be pushing it on this theory, i dont quite remember this specific interaction between them, but i know they talked).

    My house goes on Lost lockdown in T minus 4 hours…

  7. Angel says:

    I hope that today we find out who Ben’s man is. I have a feeling that its going to shock us! He is probably not going to be Sayid, Michael or Walt. But who knows. I can’t wait for this episode because I read a few things and its going to be GOOD! I also want to find out who the Oceanic 6 are going to be. I think that its going to be Jack, Kate, Hugo, Sayid, Aaron and Jin.

  8. Julie says:

    Okay okay… the O6
    Jack
    Kate
    Hurley
    Sayid
    Michael
    Walt
    We already know that Walt and Michael have left the island (may even be back with the freighter) however, since they left the island… the would be part of the O6
    Which is better Lost food?
    Pizza, Spaghetti, or Mexican takeout??? Hmm?
    3 1/2 hours.. yay!

  9. Lins says:

    Hard to think that this could be the most shocking ep after what we’ve seen already…what a great season!

  10. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="196032"]Okay okay… the O6
    Jack
    Kate
    Hurley
    Sayid
    Michael
    Walt
    We already know that Walt and Michael have left the island (may even be back with the freighter) however, since they left the island… the would be part of the O6
    Which is better Lost food?
    Pizza, Spaghetti, or Mexican takeout??? Hmm?
    3 1/2 hours.. yay![/quote]

    We know the four…I think it’s rather obvious, by the title name, that at least Sun is one of them. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Jin is the other one. Just because Michael is Ben’s MOB, doesn’t mean he was ever exposed to the real world as being a survivor

  11. Julie says:

    [quote comment="196037"][quote comment="196032"]Okay okay… the O6
    Jack
    Kate
    Hurley
    Sayid
    Michael
    Walt
    We already know that Walt and Michael have left the island (may even be back with the freighter) however, since they left the island… the would be part of the O6
    Which is better Lost food?
    Pizza, Spaghetti, or Mexican takeout??? Hmm?
    3 1/2 hours.. yay![/quote]

    We know the four…I think it’s rather obvious, by the title name, that at least Sun is one of them. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Jin is the other one. Just because Michael is Ben’s MOB, doesn’t mean he was ever exposed to the real world as being a survivor[/quote]
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    No, but that’s my opinion and just because a show is centered around someone doesn’t mean that person is going to make it off the island or that they are included in the O6.

  12. Trixanna says:

    I hope nobody is disappointed tonight but I believe we are going to find out (finally) who the O6 are. NEXT week they are supposed to reveal who “Ben’s man” is. It would be wonderful if they explained both tonight but I do believe we have another week to wait for the the man on the SHIP reveal.

    Hammer, can’t make LAA tonight, I am behind on reading the posts!

  13. Trixanna says:

    Rita, I beat you to the Blog! (big grin)

  14. Paradoxy says:

    what about this. ” Clair finds out where Miles is and goes to see him, but as she enters the boat hut,Miles releases his breakfast. BOOM! OUCH “

  15. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="196039"]I hope nobody is disappointed tonight but I believe we are going to find out (finally) who the O6 are. NEXT week they are supposed to reveal who “Ben’s man” is. It would be wonderful if they explained both tonight but I do believe we have another week to wait for the the man on the SHIP reveal.

    Hammer, can’t make LAA tonight, I am behind on reading the posts![/quote]

    They have said Ben’s man will be revealed tonite.

  16. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="196033"]Hard to think that this could be the most shocking ep after what we’ve seen already…what a great season![/quote]
    This may be a bit spoilerish – Will & Nick feel free to delete if necessary….
    I recall D&C saying that this episode has a sort of cliffhanger at the end. ( and because of that, they had suggested to ABC that they make this the last episode aired before the hiatus, but ABC overruled them)

  17. Trixanna says:

    Thanks Lost4ever, I misunderstood somewhere along the line! How exciting is that then??? We will learn who the O6 are AND who the man on the boat is??? I can’t wait!

    What is this talk about a hiatus? Are they taking a break? When and for how long? This may give me time to re-watch the first 3 seasons again or quite possibly get a life for a few weeks. I’ve been trying to figure out how to tell my niece I can’t finish the stained glass project for her wedding in May! Yikes!!! (Just kidding, I think)

  18. PoopyPants says:

    1- OK Losties…my prediction on “Ben’s man on the Boat” is…… Locke!!!,how would that grab yea.Who ever it is ,it will be cool.

    2- Where are the Rousseau Girls ???,they are not on the Beach with Jacko,they didnt go to the “Temple” with Alpert,and they are not at “Othertown” with Locke/Bens crew either,so what gives?

  19. Will says:

    The hiatus blunder was my fault – I’ve erased from the post to cause further confusion. We will get Episode 8 next week and then the 4 week break. Toeknee – I’ve actually read episode 7 and 8 provide shockers – but reiterate what I put in the original post about this one being defined as the “most shocking” of what we have seen thus far – pretty interesting considering my head is still spinning from the Economist and the Constant.

  20. PoopyPants says:

    Ps…on the Podcast ,C&L said it is not important who the o6 are,its another Lost side issue…Hey they said it not me:)

  21. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="196049"]Thanks Lost4ever, I misunderstood somewhere along the line! How exciting is that then??? We will learn who the O6 are AND who the man on the boat is??? I can’t wait!

    What is this talk about a hiatus? Are they taking a break? When and for how long? This may give me time to re-watch the first 3 seasons again or quite possibly get a life for a few weeks. I’ve been trying to figure out how to tell my niece I can’t finish the stained glass project for her wedding in May! Yikes!!! (Just kidding, I think)[/quote]

    I haven’t seen where they have said how long the break will be…maybe a month im guessing. They are supposed to have 5 more episodes after. I’m sure the braintrusts at abc will time the finale with sweepsweek, last year i think it ended the week b4 memorail day.

  22. Michael says:

    Ji Yeon Has to be the Name of her child. Both her and Jin wanted parts of there parents names in there childs name.

  23. DocH says:

    [quote comment="196047"]
    … saying that this episode has a sort of cliffhanger at the end. (and because of that, they had suggested to ABC that they make this the last episode aired before the hiatus, but ABC overruled them)
    [/quote]
    > I think the Ep7 “a better cliffhanger” thing was designed for the original ‘7 – take a break – then 8+’ plan. Since then the thought is that they may back to a number 8 cliffhanger. Two days in HD editing makes it a 7-hanger, another 2 days switches it back to an 8-hanger.
    > I am betting that 8 is the hanger and 7 is simply a “shocker”. Side bet that Sun (Kim Yoon-Jin) may be a mort (dead meat) as a result of this episode. Claire is my alt pick for deadie.
    > We won’t get ‘SPY-on-boat’ until Ep8 or later.

  24. DocH says:

    Ji Yeon – “Island Baby” Killer

    My third pick for deadie is Jin (aka DUI Gin)

  25. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="196051"] Where are the Rousseau Girls ???,they are not on the Beach with Jacko,they didnt go to the “Temple” with Alpert,and they are not at “Othertown” with Locke/Bens crew either,so what gives?[/quote]

    I seem to remember Claire telling Kate (during the laundry scene) that she saw Rousseau take Ben to the basement of “Locke’s” house in New Otherton. That would lead one to believe that Rousseau (and probably Alex) are actually in Locke’s camp.

    Someone asked about the “break” between the first eight and the last five episodes. This is necessary because of the WGA strike. D&C have promised that the remaining three episodes “owed to us” for this season WILL be made up in seasons to come. We WILL get our final 48 to finish out the series as promised – just not three blocks of 16 as originally planned.

    : ) P

  26. Hammer says:

    Julie, where have you been?

    Trix, meeting started 3 mins. ago…you can still make it.

    DocH, like your bets on people assuming ambient temperature.

    Haa, I’m twentysomthing…

  27. CAG says:

    [quote comment="196032"]Okay okay… the O6
    Which is better Lost food?
    Pizza, Spaghetti, or Mexican takeout??? Hmm?
    3 1/2 hours.. yay![/quote]
    ————————————-

    Chicken wings!

  28. PoopyPants says:

    re rousseau Gigls,thx PJ.

  29. Lins says:

    [quote comment="196047"][quote comment="196033"]Hard to think that this could be the most shocking ep after what we’ve seen already…what a great season![/quote]
    This may be a bit spoilerish – Will & Nick feel free to delete if necessary….
    I recall D&C saying that this episode has a sort of cliffhanger at the end. ( and because of that, they had suggested to ABC that they make this the last episode aired before the hiatus, but ABC overruled them)[/quote]

    Just quoting what was in the original post…didn’t think re-stating something that had already been said would be spoilerish…but sorry if I’ve offended anyone :)

  30. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="196032"]Which is better Lost food?
    Pizza, Spaghetti, or Mexican takeout??? Hmm?
    3 1/2 hours.. yay![/quote]
    None of these:
    Carrots (what did one snowman say to the other?), DHARMA beer (Ben’s dad) or wine in a box(Saywer and Kate) if you prefer, DHARMA peanut butter (or imaginary brand ala Charlie and Claire), sushi (Jin), and of course papaya!

  31. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="196102"][quote comment="196047"][quote comment="196033"]Hard to think that this could be the most shocking ep after what we’ve seen already…what a great season![/quote]
    This may be a bit spoilerish – Will & Nick feel free to delete if necessary….
    I recall D&C saying that this episode has a sort of cliffhanger at the end. ( and because of that, they had suggested to ABC that they make this the last episode aired before the hiatus, but ABC overruled them)[/quote]

    Just quoting what was in the original post…didn’t think re-stating something that had already been said would be spoilerish…but sorry if I’ve offended anyone :)[/quote]
    No no no no…Lins – sorry for the misunderstanding. You’re right – you just repeated something from the original post – you did nothing wrong. When I said “spoilerish”, I was referring to the information I gave in that comment.

  32. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="196055"]Ps…on the Podcast ,C&L said it is not important who the o6 are,its another Lost side issue…Hey they said it not me:)[/quote]
    Are you thinking maybe about the 8 people that survived the crash, per Jack’s testimony in Eggtown? I heard that question asked in a podcast – someone wanted to know if it’s important to know who the 2 people beside the O6 are, adn D&C said no, because is was a lie anyway.

    I’d say that the identities of the O6 will be quite important, as that will affect the future of the show.

  33. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="196122"][quote comment="196055"]Ps…on the Podcast ,C&L said it is not important who the o6 are,its another Lost side issue…Hey they said it not me:)[/quote]
    Are you thinking maybe about the 8 people that survived the crash, per Jack’s testimony in Eggtown? I heard that question asked in a podcast – someone wanted to know if it’s important to know who the 2 people beside the O6 are, adn D&C said no, because is was a lie anyway.

    I’d say that the identities of the O6 will be quite important, as that will affect the future of the show.[/quote]
    That’s how I interpreted it as well. O6ers=important, the other 2=lie(we will likely never hear who they were).

  34. PoopyPants says:

    Perhaps you are right,I will re listen.

  35. Rita says:

    Here I am Trixanna! You beat me to the blog PHYSICALLY, but MENTALLY I was here first!! My consciousness was travelling, just got back…

  36. DocH says:

    Hammer. How is the Detroit Chapter of L.A.A. handling the Enhanced Version of T.O.W.? Half of our Chapter here in the South West insist on watching the Red Wings vs. Stars hockey match. Seems the two best teams in hockey are in a championship prequel….

  37. Hammer says:

    Gotta admit that since I already watched this ep. 3 times, I’m watching the game. Stars fan? I’d like to see these two in the finals. When we’re done with this, maybe Will can edit…

  38. RGS says:

    Just thought of this, but having Michael Ben’s MOB would be something Locke needed to sit down for, because he knows they kidnapped Walt, so why would Michael start helping Ben out? Plus Locke believe dude got off the island. Sorry folks, it’s Michael.

    It’s a good thing too, because I couldn’t find the right shark jumping music track.

  39. Missy says:

    Just watching the enhanced version of “The Other Woman.” Did anyone catch the Dyson commercial? The Dyson guy references “Faraday’s Engine.” Here’s what I found on it on Wiki. Do we have to start watching all the commercials for clues now too? It would suck for us – but be brialliant for advertising dollars.

    Faraday’s disk

    Faraday diskIn 1831-1832 Michael Faraday discovered the principle that electromagnetic generators are based on principle later called Faraday’s law; that a potential difference is generated between the ends of an electrical conductor that moves perpendicular to a magnetic field. He also built the first generator, called the ‘Faraday disc’, a type of homopolar generator, using a copper disc rotating between the poles of a horseshoe magnet. It produced a small DC voltage, and large amounts of current.

    This design was inefficient due to self-cancelling counterflows of current in regions not under the influence of the magnetic field. While current flow was induced directly underneath the magnet, the current would circulate backwards in regions outside the influence of the magnetic field. This counterflow limits the power output to the pickup wires, and induces waste heating of the copper disc.

    Later homopolar generators would solve this problem by using an array of magnets arranged around the disc perimeter to maintain a steady field effect in one current-flow direction.

  40. lost chicka says:

    yes! comment no. 39! mwahahahahahahahahaha….

    i can’t wait for tonight’s episode!!! good guess michael (c22) on the title!!!

    great meal plan hammer (c30)!lol….but you forgot the last 2 eggs, rabbit (with a number on it?), and strawberries (remember kate had them at her mysterious meal with ben last season?)….

  41. lost chicka says:

    ahh, man i got comment 40 instead! :(

  42. lost chicka says:

    ridiculous info: michael faraday was born on september 22 (day plane crashed), and my parents were married on 4/23!

  43. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="196166"]yes! comment no. 39! mwahahahahahahahahaha….

    i can’t wait for tonight’s episode!!! good guess michael (c22) on the title!!!

    great meal plan hammer (c30)!lol….but you forgot the last 2 eggs, rabbit (with a number on it?), and strawberries (remember kate had them at her mysterious meal with ben last season?)….[/quote]
    Big meal, we forgot the boar meat!!

  44. Rita says:

    [quote comment="196169"][quote comment="196166"]yes! comment no. 39! mwahahahahahahahahaha….

    i can’t wait for tonight’s episode!!! good guess michael (c22) on the title!!!

    great meal plan hammer (c30)!lol….but you forgot the last 2 eggs, rabbit (with a number on it?), and strawberries (remember kate had them at her mysterious meal with ben last season?)….[/quote]
    Big meal, we forgot the boar meat!![/quote]
    and the grenade appetizers!

  45. Hammer says:

    I knew Sun was on O6er!! JK.

  46. Rita says:

    Wow, so Sun is one of the O6!!! I was hoping she would be!!

  47. Rita says:

    [quote comment="196064"]Ji Yeon Has to be the Name of her child. Both her and Jin wanted parts of there parents names in there childs name.[/quote]
    You were right!!! Good guess!!

  48. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="196173"][quote comment="196169"][quote comment="196166"]yes! comment no. 39! mwahahahahahahahahaha….

    i can’t wait for tonight’s episode!!! good guess michael (c22) on the title!!!

    great meal plan hammer (c30)!lol….but you forgot the last 2 eggs, rabbit (with a number on it?), and strawberries (remember kate had them at her mysterious meal with ben last season?)….[/quote]
    Big meal, we forgot the boar meat!![/quote]
    and the grenade appetizers![/quote]
    Iced tea for those under 21. And “fish crackers.”

  49. MM says:

    So the six are Jin, Sun, Jack, Kate, Hurley and Sayid?

  50. Evan says:

    I think Jack’s story in court isnt so wrong….O6 survive but 2 die….Sun dies….that is the shocking part of this episode

  51. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="196182"]So the six are Jin, Sun, Jack, Kate, Hurley and Sayid?[/quote]
    Uh, yea. I guess I can finally admit defeat on the Aaron thing.

  52. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="196182"]So the six are Jin, Sun, Jack, Kate, Hurley and Sayid?[/quote]
    [quote comment="196185"]I think Jack’s story in court isnt so wrong….O6 survive but 2 die….Sun dies….that is the shocking part of this episode[/quote]
    Maybe, that would be neat, but they would have been called the O8 and Jack wouldn’t have said that the other 2 didn’t make it off the island…

  53. Evan says:

    Keep in mind what Bernard said, “This is place is all about karma” —maybe one of the biggest lines in the show

  54. Rita says:

    [quote comment="196190"]Keep in mind what Bernard said, “This is place is all about karma” —maybe one of the biggest lines in the show[/quote]
    Yes and I’m thinking that Jin is worried about his karma, remembering all the things he did pre-island.

  55. Evan says:

    Oh man, sorry to keep writing such short one liners, but this show really is bringing up some questions….those dead bodies in the plane? connected to ben’s list?

  56. mlc says:

    MICHAEL!!!!! haha

  57. NikkiV says:

    And so it begins…

    Everyone was right about Michael. But why????

  58. Hammer says:

    Okay, Micheal is Kevin, so he must have gotten to the real world to get a new ID which is easy for Ben to do ala his stash of passports and money. So, did Ben send Michael to the past in order to set this up correctly?

  59. omar says:

    are yall watching the show or hust blogging before everyone can even finish watching… ya micheal….whats up with that girl jumping off the ship, and the ships name was karma….

  60. Stites says:

    OK. Help me out. I just started watching this season and my fiancee who normally fills me in on the back story is out with friends. Who is Michael? Is he the janitor? didn’t they call hhim by another name?

  61. Hammer says:

    Also, Walt doesn’t have to be with Michael on the boat. He is making himself appear?…from where?

  62. Journeyman says:

    Michaels BACKKKKKKK!

  63. NikkiV says:

    I do think it’s very interesting that in the flash forward, Jin is very angry again after all of the retribution, I would have thought he would have changed.

    Wait! What the????????

  64. Hammer says:

    So maybe Jin is not an O6er, because Paik is involved with Widmore? Fake death? Why?

    Aaron an O6er then?

  65. mlc says:

    a flashback and flashfoward episode. that sucks about jin…….

  66. omar says:

    WTF?????????????????

  67. Michael says:

    [quote comment="196182"]So the six are Jin, Sun, Jack, Kate, Hurley and Sayid?[/quote]

    Think Jin may be one of the 8.

  68. RGS says:

    [quote comment="196208"]So maybe Jin is not an O6er, because Paik is involved with Widmore? Fake death? Why?

    Aaron an O6er then?[/quote]

    I think he is now. Wow. We need a screencap of that tombstone, not that it may reveal the exact date.

    The preview of next week makes it seem like Ben got to Walt again. I think Jin was a flashback, and Sun was a flash forward.

  69. kel says:

    Did anyone catch the numbers on the grave stone?

  70. Toeknee says:

    Damn! RIP Jin. That was a pretty sad revelation. Pretty well done. Not sure I see why they felt the need to fake us out with Jin’s flashback – it didn’t really tell us much about Jin that we didn’t already know, so it seems the only point of it was to fake us.

    Still, a good episode.

    Does Jin die on the island? So he’s not one of the O6? (he’s one of the “8” that survived the crash?) That would make Aaron one of the O6. (sorry if a bunch of people already wrote this)

    I’d love to hear what’s on that black box

    Regina, we hardly knew ye.

  71. omar says:

    so sun thinks jin is dead…jin is working for ben in the future like sahid….micheal is back and he is the spy…and what is hurly doing in korea to see suns baby, isnt he suppose to be in a mental institute??

  72. Toeknee says:

    Some of you think Jin’s story was a flashforward? I didn’t think so – I think he’s really dead – Sun was talking to the gravestone as if he really were dead.

  73. Toeknee says:

    I wonder if what the captain said was true – that Ben arranged for the fake Oceanic 815 wreckage?

  74. Hammer says:

    Okay, I get it now, Jin’s death isn’t fake.

    Might still be premature, but feel vindicated that Aaron can be on O6er if not on the manifest, he was still on the plane and therefore a survivor.

    I still don’t think the other 2 will be revealed.

  75. lost chicka says:

    15 minutes to get on the lost blog? 19 minutes to get this thread? now isn’t that just cruel and unusual punishment?

    kevin johnson look familiar to anybody?? perhaps like michael? **evil laugh** (i’m really into those tonight!) and some of you thought it was to easy? (i’m just having fun here) i was screaming i was so happy it was him! now hurley can run him over with the bus for killing libby!!! yes, i’m still hurt over that.

    omg! jin can NOT die!!!!! i was so unbelievably sad when that happened! no, he can’t! this is worse than when charlie died!!! sun & jin are my favorite!!! i’m gonna cry myself to sleep tonight! jk about crying myself to sleep, i’m not that sad….

    i don’t like juliet anymore, i liked her for a while, but nope not anymore. how could she do that to sun & jin! telling on sun like that, tsk tsk!!

    Hammer how could we have possibly forgotten the boar???? And the grenades, iced tea, and fish crackers are all must haves to Rita & Circus Mom!

    Oh, and ben has to do with the plane?!?! shocker, didn’t see that one coming! i thought it was widimores! tho it very well could be them, couldn’t it?

  76. Kelly says:

    I agree. Jin is flahsback, Sun is flashforward. Two questions — what year is the year of the dragon? That will settle it. It was referenced in Jin’s story. Also, someone please translate the tombstone!

  77. pandakim says:

    [quote comment="196215"]Did anyone catch the numbers on the grave stone?[/quote]

    my husband caught the numbers and thanks to tivo:

    on the left side (what is probably Sun’s DOB: 3/20/1980)

    on the right side….

    (Jin’s date of birth)
    11/27/1974
    (Jin’s date of death)
    9/22/2004 (the day the plane crashed!!!!!!!)

  78. Andrew says:

    That ending confused the shit out of me y was she asking for Gin when he’s dead, and the Gin FF’s were really FB’s right? WHY would they do that to us.

    Also does this mean GIn was in the coffin in last seasons finale.

    And Ben fakeing the crash was creepy, how did he kill all those people and get a fake plane. That takes a lot of people and resources for someone who “seems” to only have 30 or so followers on a island in the middle of nowhere

  79. Tasha says:

    This show is so confusing. It’s like a puzzle. I have nothing to say right now:(

  80. Michael says:

    Ben crashed a whole other plane with people ( dead or alive) on it to hide his Island.

    The captain looks kinda like the guy Widmore was beating in the video.

  81. Tasha says:

    This show is so confusing. It’s like a puzzle. I have nothing to say right now:(

  82. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="196223"][quote comment="196215"]Did anyone catch the numbers on the grave stone?[/quote]

    my husband caught the numbers and thanks to tivo:

    on the left side (what is probably Sun’s DOB: 3/20/1980)

    on the right side….

    (Jin’s date of birth)
    11/27/1974
    (Jin’s date of death)
    9/22/2004 (the day the plane crashed!!!!!!!)[/quote]
    I see the same…so Jin dies on the island because Hugo came to see the baby and visit Jin’s grave, if Hugo and Sun knew he was really still on the island they woudn’t need to visit the grave.

  83. Tim says:

    So why did Hurley say “Good” when Sun said no one else was going to the cemetery with them?

  84. Michael says:

    When Sun is in her hotel room before she makes a phone call she turns off the tv. on the tv is a scene where a man in a suit with long hair has a brief case full of cash opened to a man in a cowboy hat and alady walking in the door looking surprized. Sounds a lot like Sawyers story. Does this mean sawyer could be one of the 6 or 8?

  85. get lost says:

    i don’t think jin is really dead. i think he’s still on the island. his date of death was the day the plane crashed, and his death must be part of the “story” everyone the O6 are telling everyone. i think when sun says she missed jin, she’s missing him because he’s on the island, not dead.

  86. Hammer says:

    IF we find out who the other 2 are, I am going with Jin and Claire. Sun would be allowed to bring her husband’s body home and Jack (if he finds out Claire is his sister) would be allowed to bring his sister home or Aaron’s real mom would be allowed to be brought home.

  87. Toeknee says:

    If the date of death on the tombstone is 9/22/04, then maybe in reality (well, the reality of the sho) Jin didn’t die? Maybe he’s still on the island for some reason? I mean, if he really is dead, why would the O6 have to tell the world he died in the plane crash?

  88. skweez says:

    So, Ben and his team constructed the fake crash to get Widmore off the scent of the island?

    Ben still has Walt captive?

    Jin is not an O6’r, so does that mean that Aaron is?

    The best part about this episode was the convo Bernard had with Jin and the convo that Jin had with Sun after the fishing trip. Oh yeah, and ofcourse finally finding out that Michael is Ben’s man on the boat!

  89. Previously On Lost says:

    Hey Omar, comment 59…. I thought the boat said Karma too but it didnt. It said “Kahana” and when you look it up one of the meanings is hawaiian for basically “to go with the surf” and it is also the name of a state park in hawaii. I think a couple weeks ago the little facts on the bottom mentioned they got a local hawaiian research ship for the part so that seems logical.

  90. Toeknee says:

    I hope this hasn’t been posted yet…access to this blog has been very slow for me….

    2000 and 2012 are the closest Years of the Dragon, so based on that, Jin’s story was most likely a flashback.

  91. Kendra says:

    I usually just come on here to read what everybody has to say but tonight I’m going to add something :)

    I really think that Jin is still alive on the island. And possibly Claire will be also. The gravestone had the date of the plane crash as his death. Its a fake gravesite. And Sun said that “I miss you”, she didn’t say anything about him being dead. The O6 come back to the real world and tell this big lie and that is what leads to Jack going crazy and wanting to go back…because they are living with the guilt of knowing they left everybody alive on the island.

  92. jonathan says:

    Jin must be a flashback. the year of the dragon is either 1988, 2000 or 2012. So Jin’s flash was likely occuring in 2000.
    What still needs to be explained is why the grave says he died the day the plane crash? That would make him neither an O6 nor an O8.
    So is he really dead, or just still on the island, and sun and hurley’s way if showing him the baby is to go to that fake grave? I have to see that scene again. Does Sun acts like he is really dead? or just still on the island?

  93. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="196236"]I hope this hasn’t been posted yet…access to this blog has been very slow for me….

    2000 and 2012 are the closest Years of the Dragon, so based on that, Jin’s story was most likely a flashback.[/quote]
    That and he used his real name when at the hospital, if it were a FF and a fake death, he would need a “Kevin Johnson”. :)

  94. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="196064"]Ji Yeon Has to be the Name of her child. Both her and Jin wanted parts of there parents names in there childs name.[/quote]
    Good call on Ji Yeon, but what do you mean about their parents’ names? I don’t think we know their parents’ first names, do we?

  95. Becky says:

    Since when did this blog, usually filled with amazing revelations, become a personal chat board? I don’t mean to be Debbie Downer, but please keep your personal “shout outs” to e-mail or another forum. I cannot believe that I just read through 87 posts and maybe a third of them had nothing to do with LOST.

    Moving on to the show…

    1. I’m totally confused. Is Jin really dead? Was that a flashback mixed with a flash forward? Did Sun’s father, much like Penny’s, have something to do with faking a death? I noticed the date of death was 9/22/04.

    2. Why do the Oceanic 6 have to pretend they are the only ones who survived? Does Aaron count as an O6er? Who is directing this lie?

    3. Did Penny’s father arrange the fake crash or did Dharma? And who are the 324 dead people?? What does Ben have to do with it? Is he so desperate to keep the island a secret?

    4. Why is Michael working for Ben? We know Ben is a liar and always calls in favors but since Michael brought him Jack, Sawyer, Kate and Hurley, you’d think they’d be even. I guess not.

    5. Why was Hurley glad no one else was coming to Korea to see the baby?

    6. I found Jin’s forgiveness speech confusing. His words went like this:

    I withheld my affections…I know what you did, you did to that man…his actions caused this. So I forgive you.

    What does that mean?????????? His actions caused the affair? It’s weird how quickly he forgave her. Very touching, but strange.

    7. So happy to see Bernard! He and Jin have opposite situations…Jin’s wife dies if she does NOT leave the island, Bernard’s wife dies if she does. Tough call.

    8. Who got shot in the head on the boat? That blood stain looked like an execution-type murder.

    9. Why did Regina kill herself? Or is she really dead? Could she have gone to another underwater station?

    10. The captain is very good looking :) I’d trust him more than Ben or Michael.

    11. I still do not trust Juliet…she’s very underhanded, despite good intentions.

    Well, that’s it! If anyone can shed light on my questions, I’d greatly appreciate it. I hope next episode’s blog is filled with useful info!!!

  96. Tim says:

    Maybe the main place Sun and Hurley are going is not the cemetery. Maybe it is just a stopover and they are going to some other major event.
    That would explain why Sun called out for Jin during the delivery. She was given some kind of medication and wasn’t concentrating on the “official” story.
    Both her and Hurley are dressed in black though so I wonder where else they could be going.
    And why didn’t Jack show up? Was this before he flipped out?

  97. ReyesTHEstud says:

    NO, on the gravestone it had his date of birth on one side… and the other was the date of the crash. 2004, 9/22… so the O6 had to make up some story to say that Jin died in the crash. It’s likely he’s still alive on the Island b/c the scene in the grave yard seems like sun is still talking to Jin.

  98. DocH says:

    My stray thought. Jin got Sun pregs before 815. Jin has been a vision, the entire time… like Walt, Chris Shep, etc… since before the flight. Or, Jin died when 815 crashed. Remember all of the “look at the wedding ring” shots. Jin was a vision the entire time. Bernard was fish-busting, ghost-busting the whole time… sending ghost Jin to the great beyond with his ‘kharma’ lecture. Heck… Rose may be past history as well.

    I am just happy Sun’s baby didn’t have a Sawyer-doo and start spouting Red Neck Nicknames…

  99. Michael says:

    Found it wierd when Sayid stated that the boat was not moving and the doc maid some remark as if he was disagreeing.

  100. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="196241"]Since when did this blog, usually filled with amazing revelations, become a personal chat board? I don’t mean to be Debbie Downer, but please keep your personal “shout outs” to e-mail or another forum. I cannot believe that I just read through 87 posts and maybe a third of them had nothing to do with LOST.

    Moving on to the show…

    1. I’m totally confused. Is Jin really dead? Was that a flashback mixed with a flash forward? Did Sun’s father, much like Penny’s, have something to do with faking a death? I noticed the date of death was 9/22/04.

    2. Why do the Oceanic 6 have to pretend they are the only ones who survived? Does Aaron count as an O6er? Who is directing this lie?

    3. Did Penny’s father arrange the fake crash or did Dharma? And who are the 324 dead people?? What does Ben have to do with it? Is he so desperate to keep the island a secret?

    4. Why is Michael working for Ben? We know Ben is a liar and always calls in favors but since Michael brought him Jack, Sawyer, Kate and Hurley, you’d think they’d be even. I guess not.

    5. Why was Hurley glad no one else was coming to Korea to see the baby?

    6. I found Jin’s forgiveness speech confusing. His words went like this:

    I withheld my affections…I know what you did, you did to that man…his actions caused this. So I forgive you.

    What does that mean?????????? His actions caused the affair? It’s weird how quickly he forgave her. Very touching, but strange.

    7. So happy to see Bernard! He and Jin have opposite situations…Jin’s wife dies if she does NOT leave the island, Bernard’s wife dies if she does. Tough call.

    8. Who got shot in the head on the boat? That blood stain looked like an execution-type murder.

    9. Why did Regina kill herself? Or is she really dead? Could she have gone to another underwater station?

    10. The captain is very good looking :) I’d trust him more than Ben or Michael.

    11. I still do not trust Juliet…she’s very underhanded, despite good intentions.

    Well, that’s it! If anyone can shed light on my questions, I’d greatly appreciate it. I hope next episode’s blog is filled with useful info!!![/quote]
    I can’t believe I just read a huge post that added nothing to our personal discussions and just asked a bunch of unanswerable questions.

  101. omar says:

    [quote comment="196241"]Since when did this blog, usually filled with amazing revelations, become a personal chat board? I don’t mean to be Debbie Downer, but please keep your personal “shout outs” to e-mail or another forum. I cannot believe that I just read through 87 posts and maybe a third of them had nothing to do with LOST.

    Moving on to the show…

    1. I’m totally confused. Is Jin really dead? Was that a flashback mixed with a flash forward? Did Sun’s father, much like Penny’s, have something to do with faking a death? I noticed the date of death was 9/22/04.

    2. Why do the Oceanic 6 have to pretend they are the only ones who survived? Does Aaron count as an O6er? Who is directing this lie?

    3. Did Penny’s father arrange the fake crash or did Dharma? And who are the 324 dead people?? What does Ben have to do with it? Is he so desperate to keep the island a secret?

    4. Why is Michael working for Ben? We know Ben is a liar and always calls in favors but since Michael brought him Jack, Sawyer, Kate and Hurley, you’d think they’d be even. I guess not.

    5. Why was Hurley glad no one else was coming to Korea to see the baby?

    6. I found Jin’s forgiveness speech confusing. His words went like this:

    I withheld my affections…I know what you did, you did to that man…his actions caused this. So I forgive you.

    What does that mean?????????? His actions caused the affair? It’s weird how quickly he forgave her. Very touching, but strange.

    7. So happy to see Bernard! He and Jin have opposite situations…Jin’s wife dies if she does NOT leave the island, Bernard’s wife dies if she does. Tough call.

    8. Who got shot in the head on the boat? That blood stain looked like an execution-type murder.

    9. Why did Regina kill herself? Or is she really dead? Could she have gone to another underwater station?

    10. The captain is very good looking :) I’d trust him more than Ben or Michael.

    11. I still do not trust Juliet…she’s very underhanded, despite good intentions.

    Well, that’s it! If anyone can shed light on my questions, I’d greatly appreciate it. I hope next episode’s blog is filled with useful info!!![/quote]

    I dont think i have ever seen u on here before….and for the questions…what???

  102. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="196241"]
    6. I found Jin’s forgiveness speech confusing. His words went like this:

    I withheld my affections…I know what you did, you did to that man…his actions caused this. So I forgive you.

    What does that mean?????????? His actions caused the affair? It’s weird how quickly he forgave her. Very touching, but strange.
    [/quote]
    It was a bit confusing…He started it out saying something about the man he used to be and how that caused Sun to cheat on him. So when he kept referring to “that man”, he was talking about himself.

  103. Trixanna says:

    Okay, this may be totally crazy, but is it possible that Walt is still the “man” on the ship? I KNOW that Michael is ON the ship but Walt could still be the spy.

    Why was Hurley the only 06er that went to Sun’s side? He looked happy that nobody else came, why?

    Becky, I know some of my comments were not related to the show and I am sorry for posting them. I think a lot of people are really geeked about the show and the blog and just wanted to burn off some energy before the episode and say hello to people who have become like friends in an some way. I know I have not been disappointed in tonight’s posts, it’s a lot of fun to read.

  104. lost chicka says:

    i don’t know if i’d prefer jin on the island unreachable for sun or dead and still unreachable for sun….but either way jin is totally not the man in the coffin, he would at the very least have sun there. i’m surprised hurley is the only one that would come to see sun & jin’s baby. no kate who was there when sun found out she was pregnant and one of her island buddies. jack doesn’t come who was one of her baby doctor’s on the island and is one of the people i’d think would be there making sure ji yeon & sun are still ok, especially if he’s always traveling to asia with his golden pass. juliet doesn’t come to see if babies born off the island but concieved on the island can be born (even if she’s not part of the 06)since she was so concerned this episode about it. i mean, nobody but hurley? they really are all disconnected!

  105. dukewm says:

    INCREDIBLE !!!

    I can’t believe I even waited this long. I think I read an earlier post about waiting 15 minutes to get “into” this site. Is this “thing” too popular now so that after the latest episode finishes the servers are overwhelmed ?
    If you look at the the time stamps, I counted 63 posts BEFORE the episode was even over.

    Anyway, I had to rewatch those last 5 minutes again and I remember the numbers on the grave marker in pairs 4-4, 11-9, 22-27 plus others I’d have to rewatch again. That’s reading left to right (Korean/Chinese could be different).

    My take was that Jin had to survive the rescue because he was trying to get to the hospital as Sun was about to deliver and must have been killed right after he got his phone smashed and lost his taxi to . . . who?

    The scene where he was taking the panda to the “Ambassador” must depict him as working for Suns’ father BEFORE they left Korea (he said he had only been married 2 months) and was actually a flashback.

    The “Man on the Boat”: The obvious, but as someone said, it wouldn’t necessarily seem obvious to the casual viewer who doesn’t obsess like we do.

    And correct me if I’m wrong, wasn’t that Nikki who jumped off the boa . . . er, ship ?
    You know what they said: “Things don’t stay buried on this Island”

    The Captains Name: What did he say his name was ?

    In general, a great ep. They answered a few questions and set us up for a real “cliffhanger” next week.

    Does anyone know the schedule ? Is it 1 more ep and then a wait until September or what ?

  106. Dave says:

    Jin is alive. He said he would do whatever it takes to ensure the safey of Sun and the baby–including staying behind on the island if it were required. For some reason, then, he must have stayed behind so Sun and the baby could leave and survive. Sun continues to grieve and miss him because he is alive.

    If the above is true, then it ups the stakes for getting back to the island. The stage is being sent for the great return to the island in the subsequent seasons. Maybe Sayid is working for Ben so that his friends can one day return and be reunited with the island and its inhabitants.

  107. Tim says:

    “…Found it wierd when Sayid stated that the boat was not moving and the doc maid some remark as if he was disagreeing….”

    And Sayid also said he heard some noises that sounded man made rather than machine made.
    Maybe the ship captain wants them to think they are moving but they are really stuck. So they are making fake noises to sound like the ship is going somewhere.
    But why would it matter if the ship wasn’t going anywhere? Where should they be going?

  108. omar says:

    man all these numbers im getting off this show, i think im gonna go play the lottery.. the show might be lucky for me somehow..

  109. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="196221"]
    i don’t like juliet anymore, i liked her for a while, but nope not anymore. how could she do that to sun & jin! telling on sun like that, tsk tsk!!
    [/quote]
    Yeah I thought that was a bit contrived. A pretty big breach of trust. I can sort of understand her supposed motives, but you’d think she could find other ways of “convincing” Sun to stay. Where’s that gun she had in the last episode?

  110. Andrew says:

    [quote comment="196242"]Maybe the main place Sun and Hurley are going is not the cemetery. Maybe it is just a stopover and they are going to some other major event.
    That would explain why Sun called out for Jin during the delivery. She was given some kind of medication and wasn’t concentrating on the “official” story.
    Both her and Hurley are dressed in black though so I wonder where else they could be going.
    And why didn’t Jack show up? Was this before he flipped out?[/quote]

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`~~~
    um i think this is after jack flipped out cause if Gin was the person the funeral was forback in season 3 finale (whitch kinda doesnt make sence cause y would that be in America) then this was after jack flipped out cause he was a drunk with beard when the funeral happend, which means hurley gets out of the mental home.

  111. DocH says:

    Jin married 2+ months when he died (in the crash).
    Sun delivers as an OA-Sixer. Jin or Jae is daddy?
    Jae is dad, because Jin can’t conceive after death.
    Time distortion confirms Sun’s ‘accelerated’ pregnancy is less than 9 months.
    Sun lives because conception was pre 815.
    Gin dies because of Disney anti-DUI policy.
    Hurley adopts baby Ji Yeon. Marries Sun. Moves to LA suburbs. Hires Kate as nanny. Jack as pediatrician. Sayid as security…

  112. Michael says:

    [quote comment="196240"][quote comment="196064"]Ji Yeon Has to be the Name of her child. Both her and Jin wanted parts of there parents names in there childs name.[/quote]
    Good call on Ji Yeon, but what do you mean about their parents’ names? I don’t think we know their parents’ first names, do we?[/quote]

    In season 2 when Jin finds out Sun’s with child, they talk about naminf the child and Sun said he wants the child to have a characture of his fathers name and Jin wanted one of her mothers name.

  113. Trixanna says:

    Dukewm, I thought it was Regina who jumped off the ship. No?

    Tim, the man-made sounds. Could they be some sort of S.O.S.? That was the first thing that came to my mind anyway.

  114. RoseBUD says:

    No one goes to a grave site and talks to someone that they know is still alive. Jin may not be dead, but Hurley and Sun sure think he is. And there are plenty of graves in this world that don’t have bodies in them, so there is no given that Jin’s body came back from the island.

    Re the conversation between Bernard and Jin, I kept waiting for Early Hickey to show up with his list.

    Plus, i think we still have one more of the Oceanic Six to be revealed to us. We can speculate about Aaron, but I really think there is one more.

  115. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="196251"]
    And correct me if I’m wrong, wasn’t that Nikki who jumped off the boa . . . er, ship ?
    You know what they said: “Things don’t stay buried on this Island”

    The Captains Name: What did he say his name was ?
    [/quote]
    You’ll probably get 20 answers to these questions but…

    That was Regina, not Nikki

    Captain’s last name was Gault, I believe

  116. meathead says:

    I thought tonight was the last episode for 5 weeks. Oh well, I’ll take an episode next week too!

    Great episode tonight. I liked the flashback and flash forward combo. I thought about it happening at the beginning but thought it was a crazy notion.

    When are we going to learn about the statue leg? I thought I read somewhere we’d know something within this 7 episode run.

  117. DocH says:

    [quote comment="196236"]
    2000 and 2012 are the closest Years of the Dragon, so based on that, Jin’s story was most likely a flashback.
    [/quote]
    Dan & Des… 1996… 2004…. 2012! ???
    (delta 8)

  118. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="196263"]Jin married 2+ months when he died (in the crash).
    Sun delivers as an OA-Sixer. Jin or Jae is daddy?
    Jae is dad, because Jin can’t conceive after death.
    Time distortion confirms Sun’s ‘accelerated’ pregnancy is less than 9 months.
    Sun lives because conception was pre 815.
    Gin dies because of Disney anti-DUI policy.
    Hurley adopts baby Ji Yeon. Marries Sun. Moves to LA suburbs. Hires Kate as nanny. Jack as pediatrician. Sayid as security…[/quote]
    First 6 lines are intriguing.
    Last two are funny…

  119. LOST Fanatic says:

    I find it hard to believe that Sun would be so emotional at the cemetary if Jin was not really dead. This may be a little too obvious to be true, but Jin may be the one to die next week, as previewed. Even if he’s not (I’m leaning towards Michael after the Captain learns that he is the one sabotaging the boat), he will at some point before the rescue. That explains why his date of death (as reported on the tombstone) was the date of the crash. He’s one of the two people the Jack referred to during Kate’s trial. In regards to the second person, I don’t think it’s Claire simply because everyone refers to Aaron as Kate’s son.

    My theory on the Oceanic Six:
    Something REALLY shady went down to allow those six to leave. It was probably some scheme devised by Ben (which explains why Sayid is working for him now). Ben is probably threatening the Oceanic Six with lives of thier friends left on the island. We all know that Ben has the capability to kill everyone on the island if he chooses to and he’s holding that over their heads. I think the show will end with the Oceanic Six finally turning on Ben and going back for their friends (hopefully!).

  120. lost chicka says:

    [quote comment="196265"]Dukewm, I thought it was Regina who jumped off the ship. No?

    Tim, the man-made sounds. Could they be some sort of S.O.S.? That was the first thing that came to my mind anyway.[/quote]

    yes it was regina. i guess she was so upset she was “reading” her book upide down before taking her life. quite the way to leave. oh, and i don’t know if anybody else noticed but she, like i’ve said before even seeing her, was not naomi’s sister!

    the sounds i first thought coulda been michael, or should i say kevin johnson. but now maybe i think it was the freighter tots trying to fix the ship. or maybe i suppose was just them trying to keep sayid & des thinking.

    and des must be better then he was in the constant as he now is well aware of everything again…

  121. Michael says:

    [quote comment="196264"][quote comment="196240"][quote comment="196064"]Ji Yeon Has to be the Name of her child. Both her and Jin wanted parts of there parents names in there childs name.[/quote]
    Good call on Ji Yeon, but what do you mean about their parents’ names? I don’t think we know their parents’ first names, do we?[/quote]

    In season 2 when Jin finds out Sun’s with child, they talk about naminf the child and Sun said he wants the child to have a characture of his fathers name and Jin wanted one of her mothers name.[/quote]

    Thanks!

    Actualy, the captain said they can’t go anywhere because the motors have been jacked up by someone. don’t know who. But i think thats a lie. And the noisess sounded like morse code. Code both sayid and Desmoned should get because of there military back ground

  122. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="196263"]
    Gin dies because of Disney anti-DUI policy.
    [/quote]
    I laughed at this almost as much as your spork comment the other day. (i.e., they were both very funny)

  123. Michael says:

    [quote comment="196271"]I find it hard to believe that Sun would be so emotional at the cemetary if Jin was not really dead. This may be a little too obvious to be true, but Jin may be the one to die next week, as previewed. Even if he’s not (I’m leaning towards Michael after the Captain learns that he is the one sabotaging the boat), he will at some point before the rescue. That explains why his date of death (as reported on the tombstone) was the date of the crash. He’s one of the two people the Jack referred to during Kate’s trial. In regards to the second person, I don’t think it’s Claire simply because everyone refers to Aaron as Kate’s son.

    My theory on the Oceanic Six:
    Something REALLY shady went down to allow those six to leave. It was probably some scheme devised by Ben (which explains why Sayid is working for him now). Ben is probably threatening the Oceanic Six with lives of thier friends left on the island. We all know that Ben has the capability to kill everyone on the island if he chooses to and he’s holding that over their heads. I think the show will end with the Oceanic Six finally turning on Ben and going back for their friends (hopefully!).[/quote]

    Like that. I to think Ben is behind the o6 story.

  124. Michael says:

    Does anyone believe that Juliet really wanted to help Sun?

  125. RoseBUD says:

    Also, at the beginning of the episode, when Sun turned off the television, what you saw was the season finale from Nikki and Billy Dee Williams’ show not some sort of Sawyer story. I can’t remember the name of it (sure there are plenty that could recall it off the top of their heads, but it had the Cobra and Hurley called it the “coolest show ever”) but “razzle dazzle!”

  126. Michael says:

    [quote comment="196191"][quote comment="196190"]Keep in mind what Bernard said, “This is place is all about karma” —maybe one of the biggest lines in the show[/quote]
    Yes and I’m thinking that Jin is worried about his karma, remembering all the things he did pre-island.[/quote]

    I think Jin might except death to help Sun get off the island as Karma.

  127. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="196279"]Does anyone believe that Juliet really wanted to help Sun?[/quote]
    I do for now. I don’t really see any other motive to keep her from going to Locke’s camp. In her FBs she often cries when she loses moms/babies, she wants Sun and baby to survive. I don’t think Juliet sees Sun and Jin as a threat.

  128. DocH says:

    [quote comment="196272"]
    yes it was regina. i guess she was so upset she was “reading” her book upide down before taking her life. quite the way to leave. oh, and i don’t know if anybody else noticed but she, like i’ve said before even seeing her, was not naomi’s sister!
    [/quote]
    Regina jumped after several calls to the island tots and losties.
    Had trouble as door guard for Sayid n’ Des.
    Did she pass the note thru the door “don’t trust the captain”? (or Mi-Ke-vin, Seamy, Omar, Gault, etc…).
    Was Regina suffering from TTMS (Time-Traveling Minkowski-Syndrome)?

    re: not naomi’s sister! I have 3 daughters and I’d swear the oldest is black, the middle one is white and the youngest hispanic. and yep… same mom… same pop! NWO !

  129. Trixanna says:

    Michael #124
    Yes, a big part of me believes that Juliet really wanted to help Sun. She said that Sun was her patient. I go back and forth with Juliet, sometimes I believe she is good and other times, not so good. I want to believe she is a victim also. She DOES want to get off the island, right? I think she does desperate things and I certainly did not agree with her telling Jin about Sun’s affair but she did it to keep them there.

    Wow, please tell me she is a kind hearted person with good intentions!

  130. Lost Junkie says:

    [quote comment="196281"][quote comment="196191"][quote comment="196190"]Keep in mind what Bernard said, “This is place is all about karma” —maybe one of the biggest lines in the show[/quote]
    Yes and I’m thinking that Jin is worried about his karma, remembering all the things he did pre-island.[/quote]

    I think Jin might except death to help Sun get off the island as Karma.[/quote]

    ————————–

    It was also interesting when Bernard mentioned that they were with the right group, because Locke was a murderer. That hit home with Jin.

  131. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="196283"]Was Regina suffering from TTMS (Time-Traveling Minkowski-Syndrome)?

    re: not naomi’s sister! I have 3 daughters and I’d swear the oldest is black, the middle one is white and the youngest hispanic. and yep… same mom… same pop! NWO ![/quote]
    Seemed to me that she had totally different symptoms…the show sent her to the bottom of the ocean, I’m thinking when the capt said she’s gone, he meant not in this time anymore?

    I have a son and a daughter and I’d swear one is boy and one is a girl, same mom and pop too…Wings 5, Stars 3.

  132. RAY says:

    I think the reason Kate did not come visit Sun was that she is stuck in California for 10 years on probation.

    So sad about Jin. I think it’s possible that he is alive on the island. I agree with whoever said that it sets up the show for a return to the island.

    I still think Aaron is one of the O6.

    I was thinking that the banging on the pipes was Morse code as well.

  133. Tasha says:

    That Regina woman had seemed so familiar to me. I SWEAR when I first saw her I thought it was the woman that Sun shot. That guy’s wife that they Jack couldn’t save. The guy that always beat up Sawyer. Anyhow I SWORE it was her but I guess I was wrong!

  134. Tim says:

    So if the grave is fake, why did Hurley say “I guess we should, like, go see him”.
    I think they are going somewhere afterwards and that is the “him” he was referring to.

  135. DocH says:

    Michael wrote: Does anyone believe that Juliet really wanted to help Sun?

    Hammer wrote: I do for now. I don’t really see any other motive to keep her from going to Locke’s camp. In her FBs she often cries when she loses moms/babies, she wants Sun and baby to survive. I don’t think Juliet sees Sun and Jin as a threat.

    I agree. As much as I hate trusting Juliet anytime, anywhere… I really think they are setting Juliet up to be an honest Abe in the end. Of course we all know what that means – she will be Ben Jr when all is said and done.

    After this episode I really wanted to erase all of my tapes… reboot my PC from scratch and start watching again from S1E1. I am also contemplating a Karl visit to the “Clockwork Orange” room 23 on Hydra Island for a little brainwashing reboot – as good as Ji Yeon was – it was equally as frustrating. And my damn hockey team LOST!

  136. GT says:

    First off:

    Sun = Woman = Wife
    Jin = Man = Husband

    (I got really confused by the posts that mixed them up.)

    Secondly, yes, it was an episode of Expose on the TV in Sun’s room. HILARIOUS!

    I definitely think Jin is really dead, even though the O6 cover story means that the date on his tombstone is wrong. Why would Hurley suggest that they “go see him” and accompany Sun to the cemetery if he weren’t truly dead? If Jin were still stranded on the island, Hurley and Sun could just stay at her house to talk about how much she misses him. People don’t go to cemeteries to discuss fake deaths.

  137. RAY says:

    Please forgive if this is not the right place to post this, but I am wondering about the theory that the show is loosely based on a book written in 1933 entitled Lost Horizon.

    I found it a the library used book sale…can you believe that??

    Anyway, it’s a quick read and interesting. The “island” in that book has powers that let people live for hundreds of years. The Lost Island obviously has powers to heal and extend life.

    Has anyone else read it and what do you think? I don’t want to spoil the book for those who want to read it.

    So, I’m just wondering if this blog has already discussed the connection to the book and the show?

  138. lost chicka says:

    [quote comment="196279"]Does anyone believe that Juliet really wanted to help Sun?[/quote]

    NO! I believe Juliet is a backstabbing, manipulating, man eating, other with her own sick agenda…..i’m not sure about the man eating part, but the rest i all rediscovered i believe tonight.

  139. Tasha says:

    I don’t understand this fake death stuff. Either Jin died or they honestly “believe” he is dead. This whole fake death discussion is a little ridiculous unless they are being followed. I mean it can be some conspiracy but like others have said, who goes to bring a fake dead guy his baby?

    Sometimes I hate Juliet and sometimes I don’t. I think what she did was wrong but very clever. I think maybe Sun realized that Juliet must have really wanted to keep her from going to Locke’s camp.

    I want Juliet to get off the island to see her sister, but I think she is going to die. Plus I think her sister on the TV in Mikhail’s station was fake. I think Ben set that up but…..

    these are just thoughts!

  140. Hammer says:

    Bedtime for Bonzo, but I leave you with this to ponder:

    Widmore has been involved in or talked about in the last three episodes…

  141. Michael says:

    Hammer
    Comment 127, posted 7 minutes ago – Quote and reply
    Michael wrote:

    Does anyone believe that Juliet really wanted to help Sun?

    I do for now. I don’t really see any other motive to keep her from going to Locke’s camp. In her FBs she often cries when she loses moms/babies, she wants Sun and baby to survive. I don’t think Juliet sees Sun and Jin as a threat.

    [quote comment="196284"]Michael #124
    Yes, a big part of me believes that Juliet really wanted to help Sun. She said that Sun was her patient. I go back and forth with Juliet, sometimes I believe she is good and other times, not so good. I want to believe she is a victim also. She DOES want to get off the island, right? I think she does desperate things and I certainly did not agree with her telling Jin about Sun’s affair but she did it to keep them there.

    Wow, please tell me she is a kind hearted person with good intentions![/quote]

    I can’t think of any reason why she would not want Sun to go back. So she is good for now.

  142. lost chicka says:

    Ray: guess what i’m gonna be reading next time i go to the library… :)

  143. sector7 says:

    The FB kind of sucked. Seemed like filler. Kind of a let down. Ben could be behind Jin’s staged death. I think Jin could still be on the island. The o6 are living a lie, with lies on top of the lies. They don’t even want to be around each other for fear of looking each other in the eye and staring the lies in the face. I think part of the o6 pact was to get Aaron & Sun off the island for safety reasons. We know partly why Sayid became an o6er. Why Hurley? Why Jack — just to be close to Kate?

    I’m pretty sure they are not killing off everyone from 815 that is not an 06er. The other survivors must stay on the island. I suppose some might die in Ben’s war. Why would Jack purposely leave people behind so he can go back to work? Have they been fooled into thinking everyone else is dead?

  144. DocH says:

    Okay… what if the “cover story” is true?

    8 survived the 815 crash (pacific/indian ocean/wherever).

    Kate was the hero. 6 ultimately returned to civilization.

    That would explain the “Jin” death after only a few months of marriage…

    LOST is about the ‘maginations of the half dozen survivees…

  145. ReyesTHEstud says:

    Good point w/ the cover story… but who would be the 2nd death of the orig 8 survivors?

  146. intolost says:

    Could we have a simultaneous fast forward for Sun and flashback for Jin just to freak us out? Jin told the Ambassador the panda was from Mr. ???? I forget. From Sun’s dad?

    How’d Hurley get out of the nuthouse to go to Korea?

    Yep, it was Michael. Surprised, but not surprised.

    Whoa!!! Okay, who the heck is Ben really and yes, how the heck did he stage the fake plane crash?

  147. Julesuga says:

    I could be wrong, but didn’t they say that WIDMORE staged the crash scene? (not Ben?)

  148. Michael says:

    [quote comment="196306"]Could we have a simultaneous fast forward for Sun and flashback for Jin just to freak us out? Jin told the Ambassador the panda was from Mr. ???? I forget. From Sun’s dad?

    How’d Hurley get out of the nuthouse to go to Korea?

    Yep, it was Michael. Surprised, but not surprised.

    Whoa!!! Okay, who the heck is Ben really and yes, how the heck did he stage the fake plane crash?[/quote]

    Deffenitly flash fowards for sun and flash backs for Jin.

    Isn’t Hurley in there by his own will. He could leave when ever he wants if he was.

  149. Renata says:

    First time accessing this. And from Brazil.I have to watch the episodes online since in Brazil new season will not be on TV until later..

    Anyway, can someone explain me what the “8” means? As far as I know there are only the Oceanic six. Did it now become 8? thanks.

  150. Michael says:

    [quote comment="196315"]First time accessing this. And from Brazil.I have to watch the episodes online since in Brazil new season will not be on TV until later..

    Anyway, can someone explain me what the “8” means? As far as I know there are only the Oceanic six. Did it now become 8? thanks.[/quote]

    In the Eggtown episode Jack said that there were eight survivors but only six live.

  151. jonathan says:

    [quote comment="196315"]First time accessing this. And from Brazil.I have to watch the episodes online since in Brazil new season will not be on TV until later..

    Anyway, can someone explain me what the “8” means? As far as I know there are only the Oceanic six. Did it now become 8? thanks.[/quote]
    when Jack testifies in Kate’s trial, he tells a bit of the cover story…the O6 are the actual 6 survivors that made it back to civilization. The O8 are the original (alleged) 8 survivors of the plane crash. That means that in the cover up story, all passengers dies in the crash except 8, and that 2 more died on the island before rescue, leaving 6.

  152. Tasha says:

    [quote comment="196312"][quote comment="196306"]Could we have a simultaneous fast forward for Sun and flashback for Jin just to freak us out? Jin told the Ambassador the panda was from Mr. ???? I forget. From Sun’s dad?

    How’d Hurley get out of the nuthouse to go to Korea?

    Yep, it was Michael. Surprised, but not surprised.

    Whoa!!! Okay, who the heck is Ben really and yes, how the heck did he stage the fake plane crash?[/quote]

    Deffenitly flash fowards for sun and flash backs for Jin.

    Isn’t Hurley in there by his own will. He could leave when ever he wants if he was.[/quote]

    How is it that we know that Hurley is in the nut house yet? Couldn’t this be BEFORE he was in the nut house. Could be why while he was at the nut house he was asked….”Do you really think they are dead?” We always have thought it was the people back at the island. Maybe it is. But MAYBE all those people have graves back here in the real world.

    Regardless, how do we know this was AFTER he was put back in the nut house?

  153. Tasha says:

    Oh yeah! And how weird was it to see Hurley in a suit and tie??? He looked really nice. So did Sun. I think they must be getting mad money for all of this! Except for Jack. He lives in a little apartment full of maps.

  154. intolost says:

    I think the captain said Ben staged it. Did Regina or Michael pass the “Don’t trust the captain” note to Sayid and Des? Oops, I mean Kevin Johnson, right? KJ! Our Phoenix Suns legend!! Anybody here a fellow Arizonan? Maybe KJ is a plug to the faith side of LOSTies?

  155. Tyler says:

    Maybe Jin isn’t really buried at the cemetary, but Ben somehow made people think that he is actually dead? Then maybe Jin is working for Ben to save Sun from being killed? Cause that’s what Sayid is doing kinda. Hmmm

  156. Bobcat says:

    does this phrase mean anything to anyone:

    “may anonymityaloof be balmy”

  157. intolost says:

    Good point. Sun’s flash forwad must take place before Hurley’s.

  158. RGS says:

    [quote comment="196315"] Anyway, can someone explain me what the “8” means? As far as I know there are only the Oceanic six. Did it now become 8? thanks.[/quote]

    8 is part of the lie that the Oceanic 6 tell to the public. Some believe it is relevant, some believe it is just a lie and not relevant. Time will tell.

    Without a doubt Jin’s entire part of this episode was a FlashBACK. At the end he says he’d only been married two months. Thus, the year of the dragon has nothing to do with the story IMO. In fact, I don’t even think the store owner said it was the YOTD, but I could be mistaken.

    I believe Mike is def. in the coffin because that’s why Jack was so distraught. He believed Mike could eventually recall how to get back to the island, so he wouldn’t have to keep continuing to do his “hope to crash by fate” trips. It was in a black neighborhood, no one was at the funeral because it was an assumed identity, and hence no one knew who he was.

    I need a screencap of that suicide story again, because I think folks made out a John on it, and thought John Locke, but it could actually have been Johnson.

    I think Regina just went crazy, like a lot of other folks on that freightor. (Brandon, and whoever blew his own head off resulting in the blood stain). That would mean the affects of the island are different for everyone, and not necessarily making one prone to time travel.

    Still not sure if Widmore is bad bcuz if Mike is working for Ben, and he tells them not to trust the Captain…I think it is because he’s being manipulated once again. I hope they didn’t capture Walt again, but I’m thinking they did which is why he was able to appear to Locke on top of the pit.

    I think Jin had to be part of the “O6 story” somehow because he is the father of the child, which I’m sure could be proven through testing.

    I think Aaron is an O6 now, because I thought we were supposed to know all of the O6 at the end of this episode? If Jin’s tombstone says 9/22, he CAN’T be an O6. Thus Sun is the only one that was revealed in this episode.

    Sun’s FF is taking place in a relatively short time frame from when they get off the island, as she is having the child. IMO Hurley had not gone into the mental institution yet. I think each FF is going in reverse chronological order from the Jack meltdown.

    Props to everyone who called Aaron as an O6(if it is right).

  159. Scott says:

    [quote comment="196251"]INCREDIBLE !!!

    I can’t believe I even waited this long. I think I read an earlier post about waiting 15 minutes to get “into” this site. Is this “thing” too popular now so that after the latest episode finishes the servers are overwhelmed ?
    If you look at the the time stamps, I counted 63 posts BEFORE the episode was even over.

    Anyway, I had to rewatch those last 5 minutes again and I remember the numbers on the grave marker in pairs 4-4, 11-9, 22-27 plus others I’d have to rewatch again. That’s reading left to right (Korean/Chinese could be different).

    My take was that Jin had to survive the rescue because he was trying to get to the hospital as Sun was about to deliver and must have been killed right after he got his phone smashed and lost his taxi to . . . who?

    The scene where he was taking the panda to the “Ambassador” must depict him as working for Suns’ father BEFORE they left Korea (he said he had only been married 2 months) and was actually a flashback.

    And correct me if I’m wrong, wasn’t that Nikki who jumped off the boa . . . er, ship ?
    You know what they said: “Things don’t stay buried on this Island”

    [/quote]
    What the heck are you smoking?
    1. You’re wrong; Not Nikki, not close.
    2. Right, Jin’s story was in a flashback. He said to the nurse he’d been married a short time and “not to rush” him for a baby. But he did not die when he dropped his phone.
    3. Read the numbers top to bottom. Clearly dates.

  160. Scott says:

    [quote comment="196306"]

    How’d Hurley get out of the nuthouse to go to Korea?

    quote]
    The flash forwards are not necessarily sequential. Hurley was in the asylum at some point after the return, but who’s to say he didn’t visit Korea before that?

  161. Claire says:

    Here is a RANDOM thought. In regards to the staged crash site that Ben is possibly responsible for…could the 324 bodies be the victims of Ben’s massacre back when he killed off his Dad and all of the Dharma people??

  162. get lost says:

    Who is John Gault? Any one find this interesting besids me? If you don’t know what I am talking about, you should really read more.

  163. Scott says:

    [quote comment="196334"]Who is John Gault? Any one find this interesting besids me? If you don’t know what I am talking about, you should really read more.[/quote]
    Ayn Rand reference. Is that the captain’s name?

  164. Bobcat says:

    [quote comment="196333"]Here is a RANDOM thought. In regards to the staged crash site that Ben is possibly responsible for…could the 324 bodies be the victims of Ben’s massacre back when he killed off his Dad and all of the Dharma people??[/quote]
    I dont believe so. Locke was pushed into the mass grave of the Dharma people as he was shot by Ben a short while ago.

  165. Pippy says:

    Are we sure that Jin’s are flashbacks? That would not be in keeping with the oceanic survivors – so far this season we have been getting flash forwards for them and flashbacks for the newbies. Is it possible that Sun just thinks Jin is dead? I kind of felt like we were on parallel stories with the two of them both in the future….or maybe I am just lost!

  166. Courtney says:

    [quote comment="196334"]Who is John Gault? Any one find this interesting besids me? If you don’t know what I am talking about, you should really read more.[/quote]
    Hmmm… I just thought he said, “Captain Gault”, not John Gault. Captain Gault is a fictional sea captain created by English writer William Hope Hodgson. Wiki Captain Gault for more info.

  167. Ben says:

    [quote comment="196330"][quote comment="196315"] Anyway, can someone explain me what the “8” means? As far as I know there are only the Oceanic six. Did it now become 8? thanks.[/quote]

    8 is part of the lie that the Oceanic 6 tell to the public. Some believe it is relevant, some believe it is just a lie and not relevant. Time will tell.

    Without a doubt Jin’s entire part of this episode was a FlashBACK. At the end he says he’d only been married two months. Thus, the year of the dragon has nothing to do with the story IMO. In fact, I don’t even think the store owner said it was the YOTD, but I could be mistaken.

    I believe Mike is def. in the coffin because that’s why Jack was so distraught. He believed Mike could eventually recall how to get back to the island, so he wouldn’t have to keep continuing to do his “hope to crash by fate” trips. It was in a black neighborhood, no one was at the funeral because it was an assumed identity, and hence no one knew who he was.

    I need a screencap of that suicide story again, because I think folks made out a John on it, and thought John Locke, but it could actually have been Johnson.

    I think Regina just went crazy, like a lot of other folks on that freightor. (Brandon, and whoever blew his own head off resulting in the blood stain). That would mean the affects of the island are different for everyone, and not necessarily making one prone to time travel.

    Still not sure if Widmore is bad bcuz if Mike is working for Ben, and he tells them not to trust the Captain…I think it is because he’s being manipulated once again. I hope they didn’t capture Walt again, but I’m thinking they did which is why he was able to appear to Locke on top of the pit.

    I think Jin had to be part of the “O6 story” somehow because he is the father of the child, which I’m sure could be proven through testing.

    I think Aaron is an O6 now, because I thought we were supposed to know all of the O6 at the end of this episode? If Jin’s tombstone says 9/22, he CAN’T be an O6. Thus Sun is the only one that was revealed in this episode.

    Sun’s FF is taking place in a relatively short time frame from when they get off the island, as she is having the child. IMO Hurley had not gone into the mental institution yet. I think each FF is going in reverse chronological order from the Jack meltdown.

    Props to everyone who called Aaron as an O6(if it is right).[/quote]

    Wow, best post on here tonight. In the closing preview they mentioned some reference to Michael’s son. We all know Michael will kill if blackmailed with Walt, and I think that’s the easiest way for the writers to motivate him here. Otherwise, how else could they come up with a plausible explanation on why Michael left Walt all by himself? (on this boat, pretty sure no kids are allowed).

    I also think Michael was in the coffin.

    I also think Jin gives his life saving his wife and unborn child.

  168. Sun is hot says:

    On another note, how about the beauty of Yunjin Kim?

    http://www.stuffmagazine.com/video/822/YunjinKim.video?pn=1&vsid=6

  169. Circus Mom says:

    OMG
    irst off, I concede, Michael is mens man.

    Becky, The first 87 or so posts were us LAA members trying to connet. Please be patient with us addicts.

    Why did Des notice the paper droped into the door and Sayid not. It seems he would notice.

    I don’t think the captain said who staged the crash. He said that Widmore owned the freighter and fount the black box and then said the crash was staged and mentioned how much that would cost. I don’t think he said who did it.

    OK, so everyone before either thought Michael was Bens man or not. It was mentioned several times that nobody trusted Michael anymore because he Ben had gotten him to kill Anna Lucia and Libby. So, when this season started I let my daughter, who is now in high school, start watching Lost. I had mentioned several times that Ben had not told Michael to kill Anna Lucia and Libby, that Miss. Clus had asled him to rescur Ben and the killings had “just happened.” My daughter pointed out tonight that the losties still don’t know that Michael killed them. He blamed it on Ben and everyone baught it. The losties probably think of Michael as a good guy, still.

    I was reminded of the book “Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds” in how we, the audience, were handeled in this.

    I think Jin is really dead or Sun and Hurley would not go to the cemetary.

    Much more, but I am overwhelmed.

  170. charlie says:

    [quote comment="196336"][quote comment="196333"]Here is a RANDOM thought. In regards to the staged crash site that Ben is possibly responsible for…could the 324 bodies be the victims of Ben’s massacre back when he killed off his Dad and all of the Dharma people??[/quote]
    I dont believe so. Locke was pushed into the mass grave of the Dharma people as he was shot by Ben a short while ago.[/quote]

    yeah, and they were skeletons. so…the people on the fake plane had skin.

    ok, you with the whole time distortion thing? so it seems like it wouldve been a flashback, cuz jin was in the year 2000, but what if they thought they were on the island for a couple of months, when it was actually a couple of years. cuz des and sayid were gone for a day before they got on the boat, but for them it was like…an hour. so that would explain why sun is still pregnant in the year 2012. that is, if jin is actually alive and in korea.

  171. get lost says:

    My take on the Oceanic 6 (not 8) from what we have seen so far is:

    (1) Hurley-in the loony bin.
    (2) Jack-visiting Hurley and testifying for Kate.
    (3) Kate-beating the criminal wrap.
    (4) Sayid-Ben’s hit man.
    (5) Sun-giving birth.
    (6) Is still unconfirmed.

    Jin’s story line in this episode is an obvious flash BACK. So far Hurley, Kate, Jack, Sayid and Sun have been identified as one of the Oceanic 6. Kate’s son Aaron has not been directly or indirectly referred to as one of the Oceanic 6. For all we know Kate could have simply named her son Aaron. The last member of the Oceanic 6 is undefined. Maybe it is Claire’s son Aaron posing as Kate’s son, however my money is on a surprise sixth coming up before hiatus.

  172. get lost says:

    [quote comment="196335"][quote comment="196334"]Who is John Gault? Any one find this interesting besids me? If you don’t know what I am talking about, you should really read more.[/quote]
    Ayn Rand reference. Is that the captain’s name?[/quote]

    Yes, he identified himself as Captain Gault. Interesting that the captain would be named after John Gault. The man that stopped the motor of the world in “Atlas Shrugged”. I for one am looking forward to seeing more of the captain.

  173. get lost says:

    [quote comment="196338"][quote comment="196334"]Who is John Gault? Any one find this interesting besids me? If you don’t know what I am talking about, you should really read more.[/quote]
    Hmmm… I just thought he said, “Captain Gault”, not John Gault. Captain Gault is a fictional sea captain created by English writer William Hope Hodgson. Wiki Captain Gault for more info.[/quote]

    Good grab! That is more of a direct refrence. I had not thought of that.

  174. Megalost says:

    [quote comment="196216"]

    Regina, we hardly knew ye.[/quote]

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    She looked really familiar. I know we have seen her b4. Pls refresh my memory someone.

  175. Courtney says:

    [quote comment="196360"][quote comment="196216"]

    Regina, we hardly knew ye.[/quote]

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    She looked really familiar. I know we have seen her b4. Pls refresh my memory someone.[/quote]
    If you saw Grindhouse: Death Proof, Zoe Bell/Regina was the chick on the roof of the car in the second part. I don’t remember her characters name.

  176. Megalost says:

    [quote comment="196272"][quote comment="196265"]the sounds i first thought coulda been michael, or should i say kevin johnson. but now maybe i think it was the freighter tots trying to fix the ship. or maybe i suppose was just them trying to keep sayid & des thinking.

    and des must be better then he was in the constant as he now is well aware of everything again…[/quote]

    Hi y’all! Megalost in the house. This might b a dumb ? but why are u calling them freighter tots? Does fraighter tots refer to Charlotte, Daniel & the pilot? Pls explain. I’ve read it in the last few threads now.

  177. Megalost says:

    [quote comment="196327"]Yikes!!! Please delete my Wikipedia paste on Kevin Johnson. I don’t think I should’ve done that. Sorry!!![/quote]

    ********************

    LOL.
    I was wondering about the relevance.
    PPl, be nice.. LIke the blog says…there are some snobs on here@;-)))
    stop hatin!!!

  178. Megalost says:

    comment #159:
    u just opened up a can of worms. i hope we won’t start debating if how or why that was a “black neighborhood”. Talk about beating a dead horse. Not to be rude, I just hope we don’t go there!!!

  179. Megalost says:

    [quote comment="196363"][quote comment="196360"][quote comment="196216"]

    Regina, we hardly knew ye.[/quote]

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    She looked really familiar. I know we have seen her b4. Pls refresh my memory someone.[/quote]
    If you saw Grindhouse: Death Proof, Zoe Bell/Regina was the chick on the roof of the car in the second part. I don’t remember her characters name.[/quote]
    _____________________________________________

    10q Courtney. I mean I’ve seen her on LOST in the previous episodes..Or maybe she just looks REEALLY familiar for some reason. “Cabin Fever” -scary!

  180. Your Mom says:

    Anyone who gets off the island gets a flashforward (Hurley, Jack, Kate, Sayid, and Sun);

    Anyone who stays on the island gets a flashback (Juliet and Jin)

    I’m sure the producers will fill in the back story for those Losties who were left behind.

  181. Your Mom says:

    I’m assuming Juliet and Jin stayed on the island or was left behind of course :)

  182. Your Mom says:

    Oh and how could I leave out Desmond?? He too was only given a flashback to the present so I consider him too still on the island

  183. Lisa says:

    For what it’s worth: the book Regina was “reading” upside-down is The Survivors of the Chancellor by Jules Verne.

  184. mcotter says:

    Anyone remember the man Jin worked for saying Jin would be killed, something to do with the watch back in season one, just before the plane crashed, maybe he was assinated when he returned from the island as a celebrity it wouldnt be hard to find him.

  185. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="196370"]
    Hi y’all! Megalost in the house. This might b a dumb ? but why are u calling them freighter tots? Does fraighter tots refer to Charlotte, Daniel & the pilot? Pls explain. I’ve read it in the last few threads now.[/quote]
    Don’t remember who started it, but yes the tots are the folks from Widmore’s boat.

  186. Ruckis says:

    [quote comment="196247"][quote comment="196241"]Since when did this blog, usually filled with amazing revelations, become a personal chat board? I don’t mean to be Debbie Downer, but please keep your personal “shout outs” to e-mail or another forum. I cannot believe that I just read through 87 posts and maybe a third of them had nothing to do with LOST.

    Moving on to the show…

    1. I’m totally confused. Is Jin really dead? Was that a flashback mixed with a flash forward? Did Sun’s father, much like Penny’s, have something to do with faking a death? I noticed the date of death was 9/22/04.

    2. Why do the Oceanic 6 have to pretend they are the only ones who survived? Does Aaron count as an O6er? Who is directing this lie?

    3. Did Penny’s father arrange the fake crash or did Dharma? And who are the 324 dead people?? What does Ben have to do with it? Is he so desperate to keep the island a secret?

    4. Why is Michael working for Ben? We know Ben is a liar and always calls in favors but since Michael brought him Jack, Sawyer, Kate and Hurley, you’d think they’d be even. I guess not.

    5. Why was Hurley glad no one else was coming to Korea to see the baby?

    6. I found Jin’s forgiveness speech confusing. His words went like this:

    I withheld my affections…I know what you did, you did to that man…his actions caused this. So I forgive you.

    What does that mean?????????? His actions caused the affair? It’s weird how quickly he forgave her. Very touching, but strange.

    7. So happy to see Bernard! He and Jin have opposite situations…Jin’s wife dies if she does NOT leave the island, Bernard’s wife dies if she does. Tough call.

    8. Who got shot in the head on the boat? That blood stain looked like an execution-type murder.

    9. Why did Regina kill herself? Or is she really dead? Could she have gone to another underwater station?

    10. The captain is very good looking :) I’d trust him more than Ben or Michael.

    11. I still do not trust Juliet…she’s very underhanded, despite good intentions.

    Well, that’s it! If anyone can shed light on my questions, I’d greatly appreciate it. I hope next episode’s blog is filled with useful info!!![/quote]

    I dont think i have ever seen u on here before….and for the questions…what???[/quote]

    Most of your questions are on everyone’s mind. The reason you don’t know yet is because it hasn’t been revealed yet
    now….moving on to jin

    Jin was referring to The man he used to be when he speaks of “you did it to that man, and i forgive you”. If you recall jin was sort of a real prick to sun before the island, and he didn’t even start to loosen up until towards the middle/end of season 1.

    AS for the bloodstain in the wall in the cell. Its my opinion that it looked more like someone shot themselves in the head threw their chin while on their knees. The blood splatter was aimed kinda straight up and was very high toward the ceiling. (remember i said opinion. I’m no expert.)

    I agree with trusting the captain over Ben or Michel. HOWEVER, he works for Widmore and i think Ben and widmore go hand and hand. Their both cut from the same evil cloth. The question is do you trust the lesser of two evils aka: widmore?

    Hurley is a complicated fellow isn’t he? I believe that he was glad no one else is coming because he hates awkward situations and he’s not for seeing jack or anyone else for that matter. It probably never set right in his stomach that he had to keep the island a secret and people like jack and Kate talked him into keeping his mouth shut.(theory)

    Now i have question for you. Its my belief that Sawyer is the last survivor and I could be wrong but hear me out.
    In the end of season 3 their is the first flash forward that shows jack calling a meeting between him and Kate and during this meeting Kate says something like ” he doesn’t know I’m here” when she meets jack. “he” being sawyer?

    THAT ALL BEING SAID I JUST WANNA SEND A BIG SHOUT OUT TO MY MAIN MAN RAURKABEAST! SUP LIL HOMY!? ALSO SHOUT OUTS TO MY HOMEBOI EICKILLALL69 AND VOIDEDGURL! SEE YOU ON XBOX LIVE SON!
    lol, sorry, I just like to shout out when asked not to. don’t take it personal. Its my nature.

  187. RGS says:

    [quote comment="196349"]OMG
    irst off, I concede, Michael is mens man.

    Becky, The first 87 or so posts were us LAA members trying to connet. Please be patient with us addicts.

    Why did Des notice the paper droped into the door and Sayid not. It seems he would notice.

    I don’t think the captain said who staged the crash. He said that Widmore owned the freighter and fount the black box and then said the crash was staged and mentioned how much that would cost. I don’t think he said who did it.

    OK, so everyone before either thought Michael was Bens man or not. It was mentioned several times that nobody trusted Michael anymore because he Ben had gotten him to kill Anna Lucia and Libby. So, when this season started I let my daughter, who is now in high school, start watching Lost. I had mentioned several times that Ben had not told Michael to kill Anna Lucia and Libby, that Miss. Clus had asled him to rescur Ben and the killings had “just happened.” My daughter pointed out tonight that the losties still don’t know that Michael killed them. He blamed it on Ben and everyone baught it. The losties probably think of Michael as a good guy, still.

    I was reminded of the book “Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds” in how we, the audience, were handeled in this.

    I think Jin is really dead or Sun and Hurley would not go to the cemetary.

    Much more, but I am overwhelmed.[/quote]

    Circus, only problem with the Losties believing Mike is ok is that fact that Hurley came back to camp. I’m pretty sure he’d tell everyone, in response to, “so what about Mike and Walt?” “Mike lead us into a trap to get his son back, dude I was pretty pissed when I found out, but he and Walt got on a boat and headed off the island.”

  188. TheoryNut says:

    [quote comment="196295"]Please forgive if this is not the right place to post this, but I am wondering about the theory that the show is loosely based on a book written in 1933 entitled Lost Horizon.

    I found it a the library used book sale…can you believe that??

    Anyway, it’s a quick read and interesting. The “island” in that book has powers that let people live for hundreds of years. The Lost Island obviously has powers to heal and extend life.

    Has anyone else read it and what do you think? I don’t want to spoil the book for those who want to read it.

    So, I’m just wondering if this blog has already discussed the connection to the book and the show?[/quote]

    Yes! I read it a few months ago, there is definately some similarities, I don’t want to spoil either, but remember the main guy, who wants to go back. A wink and a nod… maybe it’s Jack! Oh most definately! I hope some other blogger’s read it and we can discuss on another post!

  189. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="196501"][quote comment="196295"]Please forgive if this is not the right place to post this, but I am wondering about the theory that the show is loosely based on a book written in 1933 entitled Lost Horizon.

    I found it a the library used book sale…can you believe that??

    Anyway, it’s a quick read and interesting. The “island” in that book has powers that let people live for hundreds of years. The Lost Island obviously has powers to heal and extend life.

    Has anyone else read it and what do you think? I don’t want to spoil the book for those who want to read it.

    So, I’m just wondering if this blog has already discussed the connection to the book and the show?[/quote]

    Yes! I read it a few months ago, there is definately some similarities, I don’t want to spoil either, but remember the main guy, who wants to go back. A wink and a nod… maybe it’s Jack! Oh most definately! I hope some other blogger’s read it and we can discuss on another post![/quote]
    IMHO, we are supposed to be discussing Lost theories here. So we shouldn’t be worried about spoiling other stories(though it wouldn’t hurt to announce that you are about to), if it seems related to Lost…let’s here it.

  190. intolost says:

    Why were Sun and Jin in Australia in the first place? I forgot.

  191. Ruckis says:

    [quote comment="196306"]Could we have a simultaneous fast forward for Sun and flashback for Jin just to freak us out? Jin told the Ambassador the panda was from Mr. ???? I forget. From Sun’s dad?

    How’d Hurley get out of the nuthouse to go to Korea?

    Yep, it was Michael. Surprised, but not surprised.

    Whoa!!! Okay, who the heck is Ben really and yes, how the heck did he stage the fake plane crash?[/quote]

    sun got prego on the island. 9 months laer she has the baby and hurley shows up and says “hi”.
    In Hurleys flashforward they mention that a year had passed since the 06 had been rescued. so the flashforwards are not in the same time-line. Hurley goes to the nuthouse after he see’s sun and the baby.

  192. Tim says:

    If Jin’s story really is a flashback, it just goes to show how the creators will do anything to try to mislead the viewers.
    Like someone else said, it was unnecessary filler and it’s main purpose was to fool us, because the creators and writers are such geniuses.
    Or were they just trying to fool the spies in Hawaii into making us think Jin was an Oceanic 6?

  193. Ruckis says:

    [quote comment="196333"]Here is a RANDOM thought. In regards to the staged crash site that Ben is possibly responsible for…could the 324 bodies be the victims of Ben’s massacre back when he killed off his Dad and all of the Dharma people??[/quote]

    You could be right. However, when ben shoots locke in the belly and he lands in the pit of skeletons, he explains thats where the bodies were put. so….ya. I’m thinking that we saw alot of passports in bens room right? … I don’t know, I need some tylonal. my head hurts.

  194. Preeth says:

    I think that Jin is still on the island. The reason being – if you recall the conversation Jin has with Bernard on the fishing boat. Bernard talks about karma. When you do something bad in life, you get disciplined for it later on somehow.

    Jin, like Locke, is a murderer. Regardless of Jin being told to kill, he has killed. He will be disciplined some way or another. His discipline is to remain on the island and to never see his child.

    The island is about redemption. I believe the creators of the show said that from day 1. What you did in the past will be erased on the island, but when you get off the island, you go back to your original life.

  195. lostintime says:

    What makes you all so sure that Jin’s story was a flashback? How many times has Lost thrown you for a loop in the past 3+ seasons? My theory is that Jin and Sun both returned to Korea. Sun’s father, Mr Paik forced Jin to work for him again and was furious that they attempted to go to America. He blames all of what happened on Jin. Remember? They went to Australia and were supposed to return to Korea, not flee to America. In light of this, Mr. Paik threatens Jin with death if he ever goes near Sun again, forces Jin to work for him in China (he was not in Korea during the flashforward…the Panda was a clue…there are no Pandas in Korea), and somehow fakes Jin’s death, hence Sun and Hurley visting his fake grave. I may be wrong, but I refuse to believe that he is really dead. Mr. Paik has the money and power to pull off something like this. Perhaps he even threatened to kill his own daughter/grandchild to keep Jin away from her.

  196. Michael says:

    Some one made the comment about Michael being deaf. I like that. Would make since with the style of communication he has been using with Sayid. (Note under door, possible S.O.S code though the pipes noise)

    I would say Michael is coming back to redeem himself and safe his “friends” or once he got off the island Walt was either taken or went back to the island on his own.

  197. Steve says:

    How big is Jin’s mobile, sure that’s not a flashback to the 80s! :)

  198. Uzuri says:

    [quote comment="196256"]“…Found it wierd when Sayid stated that the boat was not moving and the doc maid some remark as if he was disagreeing….”

    And Sayid also said he heard some noises that sounded man made rather than machine made.
    Maybe the ship captain wants them to think they are moving but they are really stuck. So they are making fake noises to sound like the ship is going somewhere.
    But why would it matter if the ship wasn’t going anywhere? Where should they be going?[/quote]

    ___

    I usually try to read through all of them before I post, so I apologize. I noticed the noise too. It sounded like morse code or something, so maybe Walt is being held captive and that’s why Michael’s there. But I don’t know how that was pulled off. Maybe there is a different person who’s Ben’s “Man on the Boat.” He or she could’ve orchestrated Walt’s capture. I dunno.

    And when the captain was talking about the bodies on the plane, my immediate thought was of the people in the Purge. Maybe they used those bodies. But now I’m just remembering the pit Locke was in, soooo, maybe not….

  199. Uzuri says:

    Also someone asked about the blood on the wall. I don’t think that was execution style. It looked like someone shot themself…

  200. skweez says:

    [quote comment="196330"][quote comment="196315"] Anyway, can someone explain me what the “8” means? As far as I know there are only the Oceanic six. Did it now become 8? thanks.I think Aaron is an O6 now, because I thought we were supposed to know all of the O6 at the end of this episode? If Jin’s tombstone says 9/22, he CAN’T be an O6. Thus Sun is the only one that was revealed in this episode.

    Sun’s FF is taking place in a relatively short time frame from when they get off the island, as she is having the child. IMO Hurley had not gone into the mental institution yet. I think each FF is going in reverse chronological order from the Jack meltdown.
    [/quote]

    Yes, Sun was the only one revealed, which means that Aaron is an O6’r.. Also, the S3 finale with Jack and Kate was the LAST of the flash forwards.. Everything is working back from that point.

  201. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="196528"]What makes you all so sure that Jin’s story was a flashback?

    *snip*

    In light of this, Mr. Paik forces Jin to work for him in China (he was not in Korea during the flashforward…the Panda was a clue…there are no Pandas in Korea)[/quote]

    The shopkeeper says it is the year of the dragon – ergo it is either 2000 or 2012. It COULD be a flashforward to 2012, and Jin has remarried, but then why would he still be working for Paik? And why would he be carrying around a giganto cell phone? Doesn’t fit. I think it has to be 2000.

    The gift was NOT for Sun, it was for the Chinese Ambassador. The Chinese Ambassador would not BE in CHINA, but Jin would be smart enough to get a Chinese symbol FOR the ambassador. There may be no ACTUAL pandas in Korea (is that even true?) but there certainly can be STUFFED ones! LOL

    FWIW, while the episode was on, I totally bought into the idea that Sun and Jin were in simultaneous flashforwards. In fact, I thought “What?! Jin REMARRIED? So quickly?” and didn’t catch on to the big cell phone. It wasn’t until Sun and Hurley were at the cemetery that I realized they were in different flash times.

    I also originally thought that Sun REALLY believes Jin is dead. But looking back, I think she just REALLY misses him and since he has to appear dead, it is her way of mourning their separation.

    The whole Hurley thing is just as confusing as Claire asking to see Miles last week. But I have come to realize that there is pretty much a reason for EVERYTHING!

    The Regina thing has me puzzled. None of the boat staff seemed to give her jumping off the freighter a second thought until Desmond and Sayid said something. Maybe that is something Regina does all the time (going down to a sub? going down to another offshore underwater hatch?) and they pretended to react to give credence to the suicide story?

    Another crazy-awesome, keep-em-guessing, on-the-edge-of-your-seat, tear-jerker episodes!

    No more enhanced episodes? ACK! Maybe ABC will have them on the website!

    : ) P

  202. Your Mom says:

    [quote comment="196528"]What makes you all so sure that Jin’s story was a flashback? How many times has Lost thrown you for a loop in the past 3+ seasons? My theory is that Jin and Sun both returned to Korea. Sun’s father, Mr Paik forced Jin to work for him again and was furious that they attempted to go to America. He blames all of what happened on Jin. Remember? They went to Australia and were supposed to return to Korea, not flee to America. In light of this, Mr. Paik threatens Jin with death if he ever goes near Sun again, forces Jin to work for him in China (he was not in Korea during the flashforward…the Panda was a clue…there are no Pandas in Korea), and somehow fakes Jin’s death, hence Sun and Hurley visting his fake grave. I may be wrong, but I refuse to believe that he is really dead. Mr. Paik has the money and power to pull off something like this. Perhaps he even threatened to kill his own daughter/grandchild to keep Jin away from her.[/quote]

    Well considering everything was in Korean, people were speaking Korean, and unless China has a little Korea as in Los Angeles, I highly doubt that Jin was in China. And lest I remind you that there’s a panda in the San Diego Zoo, her name is Hua Mei. You should say hi.

  203. Julie says:

    [quote comment="196086"]Julie, where have you been?

    Trix, meeting started 3 mins. ago…you can still make it.

    DocH, like your bets on people assuming ambient temperature.

    Haa, I’m twentysomthing…[/quote]

    Good morning Hammer! I’ve been trying to read as much as possible but posting has been out of the question. Work has been insane, not to mention the kiddo and I JUST moved. So trying to coordinate everything has really kept me way to busy. BUT now I’m back!! :)
    I dont want to comment on last night until I read all 200 posts. But just wanted to say HI!!! and yes, I’m back.

  204. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="196537"][quote comment="196330"][quote comment="196315"]
    Sun’s FF is taking place in a relatively short time frame from when they get off the island, as she is having the child. IMO Hurley had not gone into the mental institution yet. I think each FF is going in reverse chronological order from the Jack meltdown.
    [/quote]

    the S3 finale with Jack and Kate was the LAST of the flash forwards.. Everything is working back from that point.[/quote]
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    I agree that this seems to be the case. I wonder if it’s intentional, or coincidental? I don’t think they can continue this approach for much longer because eventually the present will meet up with the future.

    Also, presumably at some point we’ll get a Michael FB that would tell what happened to him since he left the island with Walt, and that (similar to the episode “The Other 48 days”).

  205. GeriBNJ says:

    [quote comment="196330"][quote comment="196315"] Anyway, can someone explain me what the “8” means? As far as I know there are only the Oceanic six. Did it now become 8? thanks.[/quote]

    8 is part of the lie that the Oceanic 6 tell to the public. Some believe it is relevant, some believe it is just a lie and not relevant. Time will tell.

    Without a doubt Jin’s entire part of this episode was a FlashBACK. At the end he says he’d only been married two months. Thus, the year of the dragon has nothing to do with the story IMO. In fact, I don’t even think the store owner said it was the YOTD, but I could be mistaken.

    I believe Mike is def. in the coffin because that’s why Jack was so distraught. He believed Mike could eventually recall how to get back to the island, so he wouldn’t have to keep continuing to do his “hope to crash by fate” trips. It was in a black neighborhood, no one was at the funeral because it was an assumed identity, and hence no one knew who he was.

    I need a screencap of that suicide story again, because I think folks made out a John on it, and thought John Locke, but it could actually have been Johnson.

    I think Regina just went crazy, like a lot of other folks on that freightor. (Brandon, and whoever blew his own head off resulting in the blood stain). That would mean the affects of the island are different for everyone, and not necessarily making one prone to time travel.

    Still not sure if Widmore is bad bcuz if Mike is working for Ben, and he tells them not to trust the Captain…I think it is because he’s being manipulated once again. I hope they didn’t capture Walt again, but I’m thinking they did which is why he was able to appear to Locke on top of the pit.

    I think Jin had to be part of the “O6 story” somehow because he is the father of the child, which I’m sure could be proven through testing.

    I think Aaron is an O6 now, because I thought we were supposed to know all of the O6 at the end of this episode? If Jin’s tombstone says 9/22, he CAN’T be an O6. Thus Sun is the only one that was revealed in this episode.

    Sun’s FF is taking place in a relatively short time frame from when they get off the island, as she is having the child. IMO Hurley had not gone into the mental institution yet. I think each FF is going in reverse chronological order from the Jack meltdown.

    Props to everyone who called Aaron as an O6(if it is right).[/quote]
    Love your theory on Michael being the one in the coffin….makes sense

  206. RGS says:

    [quote comment="196539"][quote comment="196528"]What makes you all so sure that Jin’s story was a flashback?

    *snip*

    In light of this, Mr. Paik forces Jin to work for him in China (he was not in Korea during the flashforward…the Panda was a clue…there are no Pandas in Korea)[/quote]

    The gift was NOT for Sun, it was for the Chinese Ambassador. The Chinese Ambassador would not BE in CHINA, but Jin would be smart enough to get a Chinese symbol FOR the ambassador. There may be no ACTUAL pandas in Korea (is that even true?) but there certainly can be STUFFED ones! LOL

    The Regina thing has me puzzled. None of the boat staff seemed to give her jumping off the freighter a second thought until Desmond and Sayid said something. Maybe that is something Regina does all the time (going down to a sub? going down to another offshore underwater hatch?) and they pretended to react to give credence to the suicide story?

    Another crazy-awesome, keep-em-guessing, on-the-edge-of-your-seat, tear-jerker episodes!

    No more enhanced episodes? ACK! Maybe ABC will have them on the website!

    : ) P[/quote]

    LMAO@there can be stuffed pandas. Too funny.
    I’d like to add that there are no fire breathing dragons in China or Korea, so who knows where Jin was! :p

    I think with the Regina suicide the crew had no reaction because folks had been going crazy for awhile now. Captain said he didn’t want to lose anymore folks trying to save people.

    I doubt she’d wrap herself in some heavy chains to swim down to a submarine, and how would she get in the sub anyway? The signs that she was going crazy was her reading the book upside down. If there was a sub, wouldn’t they try to use that to get the hell outta dodge? If it is broken, why would she go to it? I believe she’s a goner.

    It also makes me understand a little bit why there was no big deal made out of Regina dead body, since bodies are droppin all over the place.

  207. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="196489"]Anyone remember the man Jin worked for saying Jin would be killed, something to do with the watch back in season one, just before the plane crashed, maybe he was assinated when he returned from the island as a celebrity it wouldnt be hard to find him.[/quote]
    Yes – I was thinking that might have something to do with Jin’s fate. Here’s the transcript from the season 1 finale:

    HAWAIIAN SHIRT [subtitled]: I work for Mr. Paik. Your father-in-law, and employer.

    JIN [subtitled]: You’ve been following me?

    HAWAIIAN SHIRT [subtitled]: Yes. I know you’re planning to run away. But you’re going to take that watch to Mr. Paik’s friend in California. You do anything else — anything — you will lose her. You are not free. You never have been, and you never will be.

    If Mr. Paik is involved with whoever ends up allowing the O6 to be “rescued”, he may have arranged for Jin to either be killed or left behind on the island?

  208. DocH says:

    Jin paid for the gift (first stuffed toy) with 50,000 Won (Korean currency) or about $45 US Dollars (circa 2000). Jin did not pay 50,000 Yuan (Chinese currency) or $6,100 US Dollars for the gift. So yeah, he was in South Korean. Besides the corner toy store in China won’t exchange currency for you and certainly won’t respond to you in Korean.

    Cell phone question? Not all cultures adopt cutting edge technology as soon as it arrives (like in the West). Modern/Digital coverage is not common in much of the Far East. Older phones are used because – they work! I’ve see lots of the old fashion (early 90’s) “brick-sized” cellular phones still in use. Where do you think many of our old cells go when we recycle?

  209. spiralturtle says:

    [quote comment="196219"]I wonder if what the captain said was true – that Ben arranged for the fake Oceanic 815 wreckage?[/quote]

    Don’t forget the note – “Don’t trust the captain”. Of course the source of that note may or may not be trustworthy.

    Circus Mom said “Why did Des notice the paper droped into the door and Sayid not. It seems he would notice.”

    It was interesting, as a military man Sayid should not have let that go unnoticed. So who left the note? Ben’s man on the boat? Maybe Michael, but MAYBE Ben’s MOB is Des. Des may not have lost his ability to travel in time, and so he could have been going from ship to shore for a long time now. Also, if Des sent the note to himself, he would have noticed it before Sayid.

    Des could have also opened the door through which they escaped in last week’s ep.

    Just a thought anyway, because as someone else already noted, Michael is too hotheaded and reactionary to play a spy without getting caught easily.

  210. spiralturtle says:

    [quote comment="196219"]I wonder if what the captain said was true – that Ben arranged for the fake Oceanic 815 wreckage?[/quote]

    Don’t forget the note – “Don’t trust the captain”. Of course the source of that note may or may not be trustworthy.

    Circus Mom said “Why did Des notice the paper droped into the door and Sayid not. It seems he would notice.”

    It was interesting, as a military man Sayid should not have let that go unnoticed. So who left the note? Ben’s man on the boat? Maybe Michael, but MAYBE Ben’s MOB is Des. Des may not have lost his ability to travel in time, and so he could have been going from ship to shore for a long time now. Also, if Des sent the note to himself, he would have noticed it before Sayid.

    Des could have also opened the door through which they escaped in last week’s ep.

    Just a thought anyway, because as someone else already noted, Michael is too hotheaded and reactionary to play a spy without getting caught easily.

  211. nakira says:

    I usually have more revelations after I sleep but reading all the posts in the morning sucks.
    Anyways I do think the whole flashforward/flasback in the episode was tied around the whole karma or “what you did comes back at you” but centered around a baby.

    Jin goes so out of his way for Mr. Paik in Korea to give the Chinese official’s grandson a panda present. And I bet jin will go above and beyond for his own unborn child. Jin’s conversation with Bernard really helps him understand the previous situation in Korea and forgives Sun. (I got confused too for a while, I thought he was talking about Jae).

    The dates (which are year, day, month vertically) is the day of the plane crash. I really do think he is dead since Sun is wearing black to visit his grave (which she did for Jae as well in Korea). She is definately upset and as a preggo woman myself I admit she would only go to a grave with a baby if the dad was truly dead otherwise like someone said you would stay home.

    Juliet pulled a dirty trick to get Sun to stay. I think she is a good person deep down but uses what she can to get her way.

    It seems that Widmore would be more likely to stage the crash than Ben, as far as we know he has more money and resources (where does Ben get the cash to bring people and stuff?) The captain says its Ben and Michael sides with Ben saying to not to trust the captain. The captain wants to get Sayid and Des on their side.

    Did Ben’s coordinates for Michaels’ boat land him with some Others so that Michael again has to work for him? Why would Michael voluntarily work for him, being away from his son. I think Ben has some hold over Michael now. Any ideas?

  212. Suze says:

    What about the doctor telling Sun that she must have a C-Section and then she gives birth naturally?

    Also, Bernard brings up the fact that him and Jin are the only married men on the island. It is very strange that their were no spouses (husbands, wives, boyfriends, girlfriends) left behind when the plane crashed. Everyone was either single or their significant other was with them when the plane crashed.

  213. Lynne says:

    Hi – Never posted, but have been reading awhile. Be kind :)

    I think Ji was a flashback also because the shopkeeper didn’t seem to recognize him as an Oceanic 6. Sun was recognized the moment she walked into the hospital.

    I also think Ji is alive – somewhere, possibly the island and it was a sacrifice in order to protect Sun and get her off the island. He stays so she can go kind of thing. Sun was crying out for Ji even before she was given the shot. I know she was in pain but do you cry out for your husband if you know he’s dead? Even though she may know he can’t be there with her she would still call for him – if she thinks he’s dead she doesn’t call for him. clear as mud?

    Did anyone else start worrying that when Sun’s doctor didn’t show that something was up and they were going to take the baby from her?(flashbacks to Claire and Aaron)

  214. spiralturtle says:

    sorry about the double post, I guess the server is overloaded now.

  215. Uzuri says:

    Also, was Ji Yeon the cutest newborn ever!!! :gushes:

  216. DocH says:

    [quote]
    “Why did Des notice the paper droped into the door and Sayid not. It seems he would notice.”

    It was interesting, as a military man Sayid should not have let that go unnoticed.
    [/quote]
    Really… how about this. Sayid had his feet up on the table. The table was between him and the door. Sayid does not (currently) have x-ray vision and can not see through his feet or the table. Another LOST mystery solved.

    A better question. How come Des just didn’t get off of his lazy butt and get the note himself? Maybe they will answer that nugget in the season finale.

  217. Uzuri says:

    And another thing (that I hope wasn’t mentioned already), what do people think about the guy who bumped into Jin on the street? It was on purpose, right? We never saw the guy’s face.

    And it was touching to see Sun and Jin reconcile, especially after Juliet’s a-holish move. But I couldn’t help but feel that that scene was soap-opera-like. Especially when he asked if the baby was his. Oh, well.

  218. Fara-dayo says:

    Wow, I will have to read ‘Lost Horizon’. Thx.

    In regards to the fake wreckage, and Ben playing a part, has anyone else seen ‘The Orchid’ extra from season 3. Basically, the Hanso scientist guy in all the “initiation” films is holding a rabbit, and then another one mysteriously appears.

    I’m thinking this might be how Ben made all those bodies in the wreckage. Could he utilize that technology somehow?

    One more final side note. If I woke up one day and realized i lost the last 8 years of my life (or i don’t remember them) wouldn’t you be a little pissed off. I think i would be.

  219. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="196303"]The FB kind of sucked. Seemed like filler. Kind of a let down. Ben could be behind Jin’s staged death. I think Jin could still be on the island. The o6 are living a lie, with lies on top of the lies. They don’t even want to be around each other for fear of looking each other in the eye and staring the lies in the face. I think part of the o6 pact was to get Aaron & Sun off the island for safety reasons. We know partly why Sayid became an o6er. Why Hurley? Why Jack — just to be close to Kate?

    I’m pretty sure they are not killing off everyone from 815 that is not an 06er. The other survivors must stay on the island. I suppose some might die in Ben’s war. Why would Jack purposely leave people behind so he can go back to work? Have they been fooled into thinking everyone else is dead?[/quote]

    sector, great post. But how come you’re not talking about the possibility that Aaron or Sarah might be Ben’s man on the boat? Or how cute the baby is with afterbirth all over her face?

    Let me see if I can help you sort a few things out… Jin’s FB was useless. If you think about it, everyone from 815 has a grave. All passengers where shown to be dead and unrecoverable. Cap’n said they were all grieved, hence buried, by their families. Sun does think Jin is dead or she would be trying to get back to him, duh! Jack thinks everyone else is dead too or he would be developing a plan to get them rescued still!

    How do you think the conversation went when Michael pulled his boat up to the frieghter? “Ahoy! My name is Kevin Johnson! Can I have a job as your janitor?!” — right… Obviously, Mike made it to civilization, changed his name so he would not be connected to 815 and could raise Walt in peace. But something happened to Walt, and Ben uses it to make Mike work for him. Hope this helps, sector. Seems like you’re not getting much love around here.

  220. LostandFound says:

    [quote comment="196295"]Please forgive if this is not the right place to post this, but I am wondering about the theory that the show is loosely based on a book written in 1933 entitled Lost Horizon.

    I found it a the library used book sale…can you believe that??

    Anyway, it’s a quick read and interesting. The “island” in that book has powers that let people live for hundreds of years. The Lost Island obviously has powers to heal and extend life.

    Has anyone else read it and what do you think? I don’t want to spoil the book for those who want to read it.

    So, I’m just wondering if this blog has already discussed the connection to the book and the show?[/quote]

    So I have read the summary of the book and the analysis behind the storyline. It appears to me that Lost is reflective of this book’s plot and theme. Good observation!!

  221. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="196500"][quote comment="196349"]OMG
    irst off, I concede, Michael is mens man.

    Becky, The first 87 or so posts were us LAA members trying to connet. Please be patient with us addicts.

    Why did Des notice the paper droped into the door and Sayid not. It seems he would notice.

    I don’t think the captain said who staged the crash. He said that Widmore owned the freighter and fount the black box and then said the crash was staged and mentioned how much that would cost. I don’t think he said who did it.

    OK, so everyone before either thought Michael was Bens man or not. It was mentioned several times that nobody trusted Michael anymore because he Ben had gotten him to kill Anna Lucia and Libby. So, when this season started I let my daughter, who is now in high school, start watching Lost. I had mentioned several times that Ben had not told Michael to kill Anna Lucia and Libby, that Miss. Clus had asled him to rescur Ben and the killings had “just happened.” My daughter pointed out tonight that the losties still don’t know that Michael killed them. He blamed it on Ben and everyone baught it. The losties probably think of Michael as a good guy, still.

    I was reminded of the book “Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds” in how we, the audience, were handeled in this.

    I think Jin is really dead or Sun and Hurley would not go to the cemetary.

    Much more, but I am overwhelmed.[/quote]

    Circus, only problem with the Losties believing Mike is ok is that fact that Hurley came back to camp. I’m pretty sure he’d tell everyone, in response to, “so what about Mike and Walt?” “Mike lead us into a trap to get his son back, dude I was pretty pissed when I found out, but he and Walt got on a boat and headed off the island.”[/quote]
    +++++++++++++
    Yes, I realized that after I posted. They still don’t know he shot Anna Lucia and Libby though.
    I was really rushing when I posted last. Sorry for all the typo’s. I usually proofread. Can’t spell worth a darn but can correct typing errors.
    New poster coming on later today. My daughter, Circus dork. Be patient, she’s 14.

  222. sector7 says:

    I just read a story in Mad Magazine called “Get Lost”. Anyway, it’s a quick read and interesting. The “island” in that book has powers that let people live for hundreds of years. The Lost Island obviously has powers to heal and extend life.

    Has anyone else read it and what do you think? I don’t want to spoil it for those who want to read it.

    So, I’m just wondering if this blog has already discussed the connection to that story and the show?

    I read the summary and the analysis behind the storyline. It appears to me that Lost is reflective of this book’s plot and theme.

    ?

  223. Michael says:

    [quote comment="196574"][quote]
    “Why did Des notice the paper droped into the door and Sayid not. It seems he would notice.”

    It was interesting, as a military man Sayid should not have let that go unnoticed.
    [/quote]
    Really… how about this. Sayid had his feet up on the table. The table was between him and the door. Sayid does not (currently) have x-ray vision and can not see through his feet or the table. Another LOST mystery solved.

    A better question. How come Des just didn’t get off of his lazy butt and get the note himself? Maybe they will answer that nugget in the season finale.[/quote]

    I agree that the not was not in his line of site and i think he was breathing out heavy when the note dropped therefore he would not hear it either.

    How do you think Desmond will react when he finds out Michael killed Libby.

  224. LostAngel says:

    Help me folks, could it be that they were alternate time lines? time is obviously messed up on the island, and we know that something is wrong abouts Jack’s future? Do we know for sure that the Jin episodes were flashbacks?

  225. Miraks says:

    [quote comment="196305"]Good point w/ the cover story… but who would be the 2nd death of the orig 8 survivors?[/quote]

    IMHO it would have to be Claire, since she would have had to given birth to Aaron- otherwise it would be hard to explain how a baby appeared amongst the survivors out of nowhere.

  226. Miraks says:

    Please correct me if I’m wrong.

    When we last saw Michael and Walt, it was when they got on the boat to leave. Back then there was a lot of discussion (on this very blog) whether it really was Walt- since he did not speak- or just an appearation of Walt. Maybe this whole time Walt has been held by Ben (with only Ben knowing the truth), and Michael was given orders to do whatever he needed to do to get on the freighter and spy for Ben. Thus, the real Walt is somewhere on the island- and can pop up to say hi to Locke.

  227. TheoryNut says:

    Just a fyi.

    Lost Horizon by James Hilton written back in 1933 about a plane crash in the Himilaya’s. The survivors end up in Shangri-La where no one grow’s old. And it’s run by a mysterious Lama.

    There is also a movie directed by Frank Capra, (Wonderful Life) “Lost Horizon”.

  228. Michael says:

    [quote comment="196282"][quote comment="196279"]Does anyone believe that Juliet really wanted to help Sun?[/quote]
    I do for now. I don’t really see any other motive to keep her from going to Locke’s camp. In her FBs she often cries when she loses moms/babies, she wants Sun and baby to survive. I don’t think Juliet sees Sun and Jin as a threat.[/quote]

    Been thinking about this. I think Juliet wants to keep Sun at the beach by her side because she knows Ben will want her. that will give Juliet some leverage later on.

  229. RGS says:

    The thing that originally confused me about Jin’s FB in this episode was that I didn’t realize they had been married since ’00. When Mr. Paik tells him he needs to work for him for 6 months, I am guessing, because of the line of work, and other things, those months turned into years.

    When he and Sun stopped talking pre-island, then that’s probably where Jae came in.

    The issue with Jin’s karma is kind of complex to me. Since he does presumably bad things, he is doing it upon orders from Sun’s dad, in order to “protect” their marriage so to speak. He doesn’t kill the folks that Mr. Paik wants killed, and takes risks to spare people’s lives, even saying he can’t kill Jae to Mr. Paik.

    I too agree that he must be dead, bcuz Sun would at a minimum approach her very powerful father and say, “Dad Jin gave up his ticket back to civilization so that Ji Yeon and I could live. Can you use your connections to go back and get him?”

    Mr. Paik doesn’t know (or we are lead to believe he doesn’t) that they are planning to run off after delivering the 2nd watch in LA.

  230. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="196574"][quote]
    “Why did Des notice the paper droped into the door and Sayid not. It seems he would notice.”

    It was interesting, as a military man Sayid should not have let that go unnoticed.
    [/quote]
    Really… how about this. Sayid had his feet up on the table. The table was between him and the door. Sayid does not (currently) have x-ray vision and can not see through his feet or the table. Another LOST mystery solved.

    A better question. How come Des just didn’t get off of his lazy butt and get the note himself? Maybe they will answer that nugget in the season finale.[/quote]
    LOL

  231. LLOL says:

    Hi everyone,
    I was wondering if anyone else saw what I think I saw. I think when Michael/Kevin shook hands with Sayid or Desmond his hand was covered by the length of his shirt sleeve–wait–and that was intentional. Was his hand damaged, or might he have had a note to exchange??? didn’t anyone else think that was odd?

  232. Matt in da hatt says:

    Just to point out: if Aaron is one of the O6 then Ji Yeon should be too, if the story is jin died in the crash, then sun was also pregnant when she boarded the plane (regardless of whose child it is) and so there would be no difference between the “status” of Aaron and Ji Yeon in terms of being considered part of the O6.
    the only difference would be that aaron was born on the island and Ji Yeon was not. seems like to petty a difference to make one a member of the O6 and not the other, which both can’t be if you do the math.

  233. Michael says:

    [quote comment="196230"]When Sun is in her hotel room before she makes a phone call she turns off the tv. on the tv is a scene where a man in a suit with long hair has a brief case full of cash opened to a man in a cowboy hat and alady walking in the door looking surprized. Sounds a lot like Sawyers story. Does this mean sawyer could be one of the 6 or 8?[/quote]

  234. Tim says:

    “…Hi everyone,
    I was wondering if anyone else saw what I think I saw. I think when Michael/Kevin shook hands with Sayid or Desmond his hand was covered by the length of his shirt sleeve–wait–and that was intentional. Was his hand damaged, or might he have had a note to exchange??? didn’t anyone else think that was odd?…”

    It did seem a little odd but I think the reason why was he wasn’t sure what the reaction of Sayid and Desmond would be.
    Plus, he seemed to by trying to get away from the encounter when he was called to clean up the blood.

  235. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="196605"]Just to point out: if Aaron is one of the O6 then Ji Yeon should be too, if the story is jin died in the crash, then sun was also pregnant when she boarded the plane (regardless of whose child it is) and so there would be no difference between the “status” of Aaron and Ji Yeon in terms of being considered part of the O6.
    the only difference would be that aaron was born on the island and Ji Yeon was not. seems like to petty a difference to make one a member of the O6 and not the other, which both can’t be if you do the math.[/quote]
    The O6 were identified before Ji was born.

  236. Lostie says:

    WOW!! Graet episode. Now, I know what some of you are thinking – Juliet was in it -how could it be a great episode and I usually feel the same way. This one was very moving especially the whole flash back/forward thing.
    I think that Walt can look at an image and it comes to life ( bird in book he was reading), (Polar bear) and Ben tapped into that. That is how Ben can make people appear when he needs to – Juliet’s shrink,Kate’s horse,Jack’s Dad. Jin has really redeemed himself over the course of the show. Damn Juliet!! Always out to spoil things for our Losties. JULIET MUST GO!!!!!!! I cannot ta

  237. Lostie says:

    WOW!! Graet episode. Now, I know what some of you are thinking – Juliet was in it -how could it be a great episode and I usually feel the same way. This one was very moving especially the whole flash back/forward thing.
    I think that Walt can look at an image and it comes to life ( bird in book he was reading), (Polar bear) and Ben tapped into that. That is how Ben can make people appear when he needs to – Juliet’s shrink,Kate’s horse,Jack’s Dad. Jin has really redeemed himself over the course of the show. Damn Juliet!! Always out to spoil things for our Losties. JULIET MUST GO!!!!!!! I cannot ta

  238. Lostie says:

    ke it anymore!

  239. Michael says:

    [quote comment="196615"][quote comment="196605"]Just to point out: if Aaron is one of the O6 then Ji Yeon should be too, if the story is jin died in the crash, then sun was also pregnant when she boarded the plane (regardless of whose child it is) and so there would be no difference between the “status” of Aaron and Ji Yeon in terms of being considered part of the O6.
    the only difference would be that aaron was born on the island and Ji Yeon was not. seems like to petty a difference to make one a member of the O6 and not the other, which both can’t be if you do the math.[/quote]
    The O6 were identified before Ji was born.[/quote]

    Put that to rest. Nice.

  240. RGS says:

    [quote comment="196605"]Just to point out: if Aaron is one of the O6 then Ji Yeon should be too, if the story is jin died in the crash, then sun was also pregnant when she boarded the plane (regardless of whose child it is) and so there would be no difference between the “status” of Aaron and Ji Yeon in terms of being considered part of the O6.
    the only difference would be that aaron was born on the island and Ji Yeon was not. seems like to petty a difference to make one a member of the O6 and not the other, which both can’t be if you do the math.[/quote]

    Since Ji Yeon was never stranded on the island I’m not sure that it is a petty difference. The news report would probably say something like, “6 people were recovered from the plane crash of Oceanic flight 815 several months ago…name, name, name,name, name and an infant baby. One of the survivors is believed to be pregnant, and her recovery is nothing short of a miracle, blah, blah blah”

    Plus Sun wasn’t pregnant when she boarded the plane.

  241. Tyler says:

    I think the girl who jumped off the boat is the spy. Her last wish was to warn Desmond and Syiad. She was found out that’s why she killed herself rather then to face Ben and why the captain didn’t bother to save her. Just an idea

  242. deangoodes says:

    Sector 7- I don’t think Michael ever made it back to civilization. If he did, he could get the proper authorities to go to the island and save everyone there. Look at all the celebrity attention the o6’ers are getting; he would carry a lot of clout and therefore get the help he needs to get Walt and the other Losties back to the real world. My guess with Michael is that he went directly to the freighter from the island. The story of how he became Kevin Johnson is a mystery to me.

    I think Juliet did what she had to do to help Sun and the baby get off the island. What good would having a gun do her? Would pointing it at Sun really stop her, Sun knows Juliet would never pull the trigger and kill her.

    The biggest mystery to me is why Hurley was happy nobody else was coming to see Sun and Ji Yeon. Unless he was just happy none of the Bad Guys had shown up to hurt them.

    I am undecided on the freighter’s captain; on the one hand it was refreshing for someone to be forthcoming with information (Sayid even alluded to that on the ship.)but on the other hand was the note saying not to trust the Captain. Right now I am leaning towards trusting the Captain and not the person (Michael) that wrote the note.

  243. UnLocke says:

    While I will never totally trash any Lost episode, I have to admit that the past one wasn’t one of the best. Yes, we did learn some new info., like the reapparance of Michael and the, at least, pretense death of Jin. But other than the newly revealed info., the episode didn’t seem to have the depth of previous ones. Maybe I am just getting upset already that we will have a break soon, and there will be so many questions left.

    I did cry upon learning of Jin’s death. But after reading this blog, I am questioning whether or not he is actually dead, and I am hoping he is still stuck on the island. Obviously, some people remain alive on the island because Jack wants to go back so badly in the future. Would Jack be willing to leave in the first place – knowing that others are forced to stay behind forever? He even participates in telling a lie once he returns to the world, and I can’t believe Jack would tell a lie unless he really had a reason to do so. If there is one character that I beleive cares more about others than himself, it is Jack. I am not necesaarily implying he is better than anyone else, but he is clearly motivated by a desire to “save” others. That is, in effect, his tragic flaw.

    I think the six who leave the island do so believing the others will be returning, as well. Perhaps once they arrive, however, Ben is still in charge of their lives, and things are not as they expected. We know he is in charge of Sayid. He may very well have had some power over them before they appeared on the island, and they just didn’t know it. They think they will be escaping, but just as everyone else who has tried to escape (Desmond, Walt, Michael, etc.) was unable to do so, they later learn they can never truly escape. Then, the problem becomes figuring out how to return.

    The problem I can’t figure out is why they haven’t killed Ben. He must be truly important in the overall plot line, because there is just no way someone wouldn’t have killed him by now.

    As far as someone dying next week, it’s not going to be Ben, so please make it Juliet.

  244. Miraks says:

    I wasn’t really that surprised that Hurley was happy no one else was coming to see Sun and the baby. I think he wanted to just hang out and chill. Besides, who else would have come?

    Kate (and Aaron)- not likely, can’t leave the US
    Sayid- doing some weird undercover stuff for Ben (wouldn’t necesserily want hin around my baby)
    Jack- probably the only other one I would expect to show up, but if not, would understand if it didn’t bother Hurley, since Jack tends to act a bit superior to him/ not take him very seriously.

  245. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="196582"][quote comment="196303"]The FB kind of sucked. Seemed like filler. Kind of a let down. Ben could be behind Jin’s staged death. I think Jin could still be on the island. The o6 are living a lie, with lies on top of the lies. They don’t even want to be around each other for fear of looking each other in the eye and staring the lies in the face. I think part of the o6 pact was to get Aaron & Sun off the island for safety reasons. We know partly why Sayid became an o6er. Why Hurley? Why Jack — just to be close to Kate?

    I’m pretty sure they are not killing off everyone from 815 that is not an 06er. The other survivors must stay on the island. I suppose some might die in Ben’s war. Why would Jack purposely leave people behind so he can go back to work? Have they been fooled into thinking everyone else is dead?[/quote]

    sector, great post. But how come you’re not talking about the possibility that Aaron or Sarah might be Ben’s man on the boat? Or how cute the baby is with afterbirth all over her face?

    Let me see if I can help you sort a few things out… Jin’s FB was useless. If you think about it, everyone from 815 has a grave. All passengers where shown to be dead and unrecoverable. Cap’n said they were all grieved, hence buried, by their families. Sun does think Jin is dead or she would be trying to get back to him, duh! Jack thinks everyone else is dead too or he would be developing a plan to get them rescued still!

    How do you think the conversation went when Michael pulled his boat up to the frieghter? “Ahoy! My name is Kevin Johnson! Can I have a job as your janitor?!” — right… Obviously, Mike made it to civilization, changed his name so he would not be connected to 815 and could raise Walt in peace. But something happened to Walt, and Ben uses it to make Mike work for him. Hope this helps, sector. Seems like you’re not getting much love around here.[/quote]

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    LOL you can’t take it too personally if people don’t respond directly to your comments (I’ve had the same feelings on this and other boards). Last night especially, the board was running SO SLOWLY, I spent more time trying to log into the site than reading other people’s comments (and it’s not much better today) . And unfortunately after reading over two hundred comments this morning, I’m sure it’s hard for people to keep track of all of them. But I will say I usually enjoy your posts and I think you have some good, well-thought-out ideas.

    Anyways, about your comments….

    I had already said I thought the FB was useless (comment #70), so I agree with you there.

    I also agree about some survivors staying on the island, but this too has been discussed over the past few weeks, as people have tried to figure out why Hurley and Jack say in their FF’s that they want to go back to the island, so this may be why noone here felt the need to pick up that line of discussion.

    Not sure I agree with Sun trying to get back to Jin if he were alive. There’s a lot about the circumstances of the rescue that have not been explained yet. I could see Jin still being alive and staying on the island, but I could also see one of the conditions of Sun’s rescue were that she must never try to find the island again, or her baby would be taken from her or killed. And whoever it is that arranges for the rescue is obviously very powerful, so I don’t think Sun would take a chance on that.

    With Michael, I’m not sure if enough time has elapsed for it to have happened exactly as you said (he left the island with Walt about 30 days prior to last night’s episode). But I agree that Ben must have some sort of leverage against Michael. As annoying a character as Michael is, I still am looking forward to his FB episode that shows what happened over the last 30 days.

  246. Julie says:

    [quote comment="196571"]Hi – Never posted, but have been reading awhile. Be kind :)

    I think Ji was a flashback also because the shopkeeper didn’t seem to recognize him as an Oceanic 6. Sun was recognized the moment she walked into the hospital.

    I also think Ji is alive – somewhere, possibly the island and it was a sacrifice in order to protect Sun and get her off the island. He stays so she can go kind of thing. Sun was crying out for Ji even before she was given the shot. I know she was in pain but do you cry out for your husband if you know he’s dead? Even though she may know he can’t be there with her she would still call for him – if she thinks he’s dead she doesn’t call for him. clear as mud?

    Did anyone else start worrying that when Sun’s doctor didn’t show that something was up and they were going to take the baby from her?(flashbacks to Claire and Aaron)[/quote]

    TOTALLY!! I’m all paranoid now. First I was all “DHARMA/HANSO!!!!” When the guy bumped in to Jin. Then when she was having the baby.. I’m like “OH NO THEY DRUGGED HER AND ARE TAKING THE BABY!!!!!” lol!!! Glad to know I’m not the only one that’s totally paranoid!

  247. Julie says:

    [quote comment="196596"]Please correct me if I’m wrong.

    When we last saw Michael and Walt, it was when they got on the boat to leave. Back then there was a lot of discussion (on this very blog) whether it really was Walt- since he did not speak- or just an appearation of Walt. Maybe this whole time Walt has been held by Ben (with only Ben knowing the truth), and Michael was given orders to do whatever he needed to do to get on the freighter and spy for Ben. Thus, the real Walt is somewhere on the island- and can pop up to say hi to Locke.[/quote]
    Ooooh… I LIKE this!

  248. Paul says:

    OK the only real question that I need answered is when is Juliet going to eat it. I mean, come on people, JULIET IS NO GOOD!! And if this Jater has to stomach another Jacket moment I think I will hurl.

  249. Trixanna says:

    Sorry, just have to ask this. Was there any significance to Sun’s normal OBGYN being at a conference (or whereever he was)? If not, why would they throw that in there and not just have the regular doctor deliver the baby?

    I know I am probably over analyzing to the nth degree but lately it seems like NOTHING is put in the show without some meaning, hidden or otherwise.

    Also, Sun did NOT want her wedding ring to come off. I think you people are onto something here thinking Jin may still be alive. She was drugged and not thinking 100% and may have slipped back, as someone else has pointed out.

    One more thing… LOVE THIS BLOG!!!

  250. DocH says:

    [quote]
    … Michael ever made it back to civilization. If he did, he could get the proper authorities to go to the island and save everyone there.
    [/quote]
    How would that conversation go?
    – Yes officer, I need you to go rescue my friends that are stranded on that island over there.
    – Okay… umm, which island is that you say?
    – Why, that one right over there. uh… uh… HEY where’d the island go?
    – Mister… Johnson is it? Sir… have you been drinking this evening?…

  251. Trixanna says:

    Wow Paul… you seem so certain that Juliet is bad. I wish I could finally pick a side one way or another. Just when I think she is bad (and am convinced of it) something happens and I feel sorry for her and think she is good.

    I do think she has an extreme amount of info on the happenings on the island, and possibly the boat (ship, sorry)but she has a true and sincere desire to get off the island ASAP. She has been lied to by Ben many times. Also, wouldn’t you be acting a little desperate too if Ben came on to you and said you were HIS??? I might be joining Regina with a nice thick silver necklace if he said that to me!

  252. Julie says:

    Okay.. just throwing this out there to see where it goes…
    We know the O6
    Jack
    Kate
    Hurley
    Sayid
    Aaron
    Sun
    Okay… at the current time (island time) Jack, wants to leave the island. Kate, wants to leave the island. Sayid, what’s to the leave the island. Aaron…well I’m sure he does too. Sun, wants to leave the island. So.. what about Hurley? He’s already said that he’s perfectly happy on the island. He’s not hurting anyone with his ‘curse’…he went w/ Locke….so what do we think is the reasoning behind him leaving the island when he is so dead set against it right now?

  253. Fara-dayo says:

    Ok, where did 300+ bodies come from that Ben is responsible for?!

    Could he have utilized the “Orchid” technology where duplicates of rabbits (and maybe people) can appear. Am i way off on this.

  254. Julie says:

    [quote comment="196648"]Ok, where did 300+ bodies come from that Ben is responsible for?!

    Could he have utilized the “Orchid” technology where duplicates of rabbits (and maybe people) can appear. Am i way off on this.[/quote]
    Maybe there was a purge we don’t know about?? We know of purge one.. thought they were saved from purge two.. maybe there was another one and thats where the bodies came from.
    Okay I don’t really believe that.. but its a starting point.

  255. Julie says:

    Oh and someone said that Jin’s headstone had Sun’s birthdate on it (so she could later be buried at his side).
    I’m having real problems believing that she is only a year older than me. So either thats realllllly bad estimated character age vs. actress age or whoever interpeted that is wrong.
    She seems to be way over 28

  256. RGS says:

    [quote comment="196638"][quote comment="196582"][quote comment="196303"][/quote]

    [/quote]Not sure I agree with Sun trying to get back to Jin if he were alive. There’s a lot about the circumstances… she must never try to find the island again, or her baby would be taken from her or killed.

    With Michael, I’m not sure if enough time has elapsed for it to have happened exactly as you said (he left the island with Walt about 30 days prior to last night’s episode).[/quote]
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^
    I hope by referring to Jin’s FB as useless and filler you are doing it bcuz it apparently did not add anything to the story or answer any questions. I disagree in that (I am probably in the minority) I thought it was good to have the FB purely for the entertainment value of the current storyline, to keep us on our toes. So in that vein it has redeeming qualities.

    The Nicki Paolo episode, to me was more of a filler episode. I guess I’m just nit picking with you.

    Far as Sun & Jin, I just think that as much as she loves(d) Jin, I can’t see her being so matter of fact about going to a fake grave with a fellow O6er. Especially since she’s not blind to the power of her father, and therefore has the means to make stuff happen.

    Wouldn’t they at a minimum say to each other in their private moment, “I wonder how he’s and our folks are doing back on the island?” Or, “it sucks that we had to leave them behind.” I mean I realize that they have a story they are living by, and the writer’s have to leave some mystery, but I dunno, it just seems like Jin’s death is the bombshell is dropped.

    To have Losties choose to stay behind, of their own free will, and have O6ers not be concerned because it’s their choice is one thing.

    Leaving Losties behind when it is not their choice to stay, and not really thinking about them is another thing. I am not sure why Jin would choose to stay behind, other than a blank “stay here or she dies.” It is her husband, and their child is quietly a miracle, in that they had been trying all that time to have one, and didn’t think it was possible. Now just go live your life and don’t think about Jin…that’s tough to swallow.

    How much time would need to elapse to take an assumed identity? I would think Ben would have had all the particulars laid out so that it would be an easy transition to get on that ship.

  257. Michelle says:

    Wait, there are 7, not 6….remember Sayid is working for Ben. So its Hurley, Jack, Kate, Aaron, Sayid, Ben and Sun….maybe 8, if in fact Jin is alive and faking his death to protect Sun and the baby from? Sun’s father? If they are known as the Oceanic 6, then we must have some that made it back under the radar of the media.

  258. RGS says:

    [quote comment="196648"]Ok, where did 300+ bodies come from that Ben is responsible for?!

    Could he have utilized the “Orchid” technology where duplicates of rabbits (and maybe people) can appear. Am i way off on this.[/quote]

    IMHO, the 300+ bodies was to let everyone know that a powerful group or person is behind the cover up. Whoever has that kind of power I would assume can get some bodies, or things to look like bodies.

    At the same time, maybe u are right.

  259. Fara-dayo says:

    [quote comment="196653"]Oh and someone said that Jin’s headstone had Sun’s birthdate on it (so she could later be buried at his side).
    I’m having real problems believing that she is only a year older than me. So either thats realllllly bad estimated character age vs. actress age or whoever interpeted that is wrong.
    She seems to be way over 28[/quote]
    I agree, I’m 26 and thought she’d be closer to mid 30s.

    I’m sure it’s been mentioned before, but what if going to the grave was all a big act? As we know, there are a group of people after them who Sayid is trying to track down. Maybe that’s why Hurley said “good” on anyone else being there.

  260. RGS says:

    [quote comment="196657"]Wait, there are 7, not 6….remember Sayid is working for Ben. So its Hurley, Jack, Kate, Aaron, Sayid, Ben and Sun….maybe 8, if in fact Jin is alive and faking his death to protect Sun and the baby from? Sun’s father? If they are known as the Oceanic 6, then we must have some that made it back under the radar of the media.[/quote]

    There’s the O6, and there’s people who get off the island. Those are two different sets of folks. The other folks who get off could total anywhere from 3-40?? (I highly doubt it though).

  261. manx cat says:

    michelle, its the oceanic 6. Ben wasn’t on the plane, and we don’t know if he’d had the ability to get off the island the whole time anyway.
    So, we have Hurley, Jack, Kate, Sayid, Sun…I wouldn’t count Aaron, but he might be the 6th. Won’t know till they give us another one or not though.

  262. Michelle says:

    [quote comment="196639"][quote comment="196571"]Hi – Never posted, but have been reading awhile. Be kind :)

    I think Ji was a flashback also because the shopkeeper didn’t seem to recognize him as an Oceanic 6. Sun was recognized the moment she walked into the hospital.

    I also think Ji is alive – somewhere, possibly the island and it was a sacrifice in order to protect Sun and get her off the island. He stays so she can go kind of thing. Sun was crying out for Ji even before she was given the shot. I know she was in pain but do you cry out for your husband if you know he’s dead? Even though she may know he can’t be there with her she would still call for him – if she thinks he’s dead she doesn’t call for him. clear as mud?

    Did anyone else start worrying that when Sun’s doctor didn’t show that something was up and they were going to take the baby from her?(flashbacks to Claire and Aaron)[/quote]

    TOTALLY!! I’m all paranoid now. First I was all “DHARMA/HANSO!!!!” When the guy bumped in to Jin. Then when she was having the baby.. I’m like “OH NO THEY DRUGGED HER AND ARE TAKING THE BABY!!!!!” lol!!! Glad to know I’m not the only one that’s totally paranoid![/quote]
    Okay, if we can figure out where Jin worked before the flight we can determine whether or not the Panda delivery was a flashback. I don’t remember it being Paik Automotive, does anyone else? I just remember he was a fisherman and then a hit man for Sun’s father. What is Charles Whitemore’s company? Will he end up being an associate of Sun’s dad? Jin had to lean in and sneak a peak of the baby, like he was imagining a life he’s missed, perhaps?

  263. Julie says:

    Some tidbits that I’ve found… because it’s friday and I dont feel like working.
    The last year of dragon was from February 2000 to January 2001
    The people over at Lostpedia say that after Sun comes home from the hospital and is taking her wedding ring out of the plastic bag the name on the bag is Kwon Sung Heih. This could go in two direction. 1) she’s posing as someone else… possibly as someone who did die on the plane crash or 2) (and I’ll subscribe to this ) that she is seen as a *celebrity* and the hospital used an alias…

  264. Julie says:

    Michelle…
    Jin’s story is/was definately a flashback

  265. Michelle says:

    [quote comment="196661"]michelle, its the oceanic 6. Ben wasn’t on the plane, and we don’t know if he’d had the ability to get off the island the whole time anyway.
    So, we have Hurley, Jack, Kate, Sayid, Sun…I wouldn’t count Aaron, but he might be the 6th. Won’t know till they give us another one or not though.[/quote]
    okay, that’s right, Ben would not be counted as a survivor of O815 unless he has assumed an identity of one of the deceased which I wouldn’t put past him(or the writers) Where are Ben’s people now? has there been any indication that any of them want to stay or go besides Juliette?

  266. Paul says:

    I am half-expecting the series final to have Jack waking up in bed next to Suzanne Pleshette and saying that he had a dream he was on an island.

    And for those of you too young for the reference watch the series finale of Newhart.

    And for those of you too young for the reference, Bob Newhart is a comedian who had his own tv show.

    And for those of you too young for the reference, Tv is a series of electronic impuses that come together to form an image.

  267. sector7 says:

    Toeknee wrote:LOL you can’t take it too personally if people don’t respond directly to your comments. And unfortunately after reading over two hundred comments this morning, I’m sure it’s hard for people to keep track of all of them.
    I also agree about some survivors staying on the island, but this too has been discussed over the past few weeks, as people have tried to figure out why Hurley and Jack say in their FF’s that they want to go back to the island, so this may be why noone here felt the need to pick up that line of discussion.
    Not sure I agree with Sun trying to get back to Jin if he were alive. There’s a lot about the circumstances of the rescue that have not been explained yet. I could see Jin still being alive and staying on the island, but I could also see one of the conditions of Sun’s rescue were that she must never try to find the island again, or her baby would be taken from her or killed. And whoever it is that arranges for the rescue is obviously very powerful, so I don’t think Sun would take a chance on that.
    With Michael, I’m not sure if enough time has elapsed for it to have happened exactly as you said (he left the island with Walt about 30 days prior to last night’s episode). But I agree that Ben must have some sort of leverage against Michael. As annoying a character as Michael is, I still am looking forward to his FB episode that shows what happened over the last 30 days.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    I was going for a laugh with my last couple of posts… Tough crowd.
    Jack can’t go one day without being obsessed about saving someone. So he’s going to just let it go for year after he gets rescued, knowing he left people behind? No way. Same goes for Sun. After Jin said he forgave her for the affair and didn’t even know if the baby was his, Sun is going to pretend Jin is dead, knowing he is not, because Ben will kill her family? lostintime and RGS agree. There is evidence that this is not how Sun reacts. When her mom-in-law blackmails and threatens her, she goes to Daddy who does as Sun wishes. And Sun even got the last word.
    As for Mike… 30 days? I was thinking it might have only been a week. If he’s been gone for 30 days then I’m 100% convinced he made it to civilization prior to the frieghter.

  268. sector7 says:

    To be clear, I think lostintime and RGS agree with me about Sun.

  269. Michelle says:

    [quote comment="196659"][quote comment="196653"]Oh and someone said that Jin’s headstone had Sun’s birthdate on it (so she could later be buried at his side).
    I’m having real problems believing that she is only a year older than me. So either thats realllllly bad estimated character age vs. actress age or whoever interpeted that is wrong.
    She seems to be way over 28[/quote]
    I agree, I’m 26 and thought she’d be closer to mid 30s.

    I’m sure it’s been mentioned before, but what if going to the grave was all a big act? As we know, there are a group of people after them who Sayid is trying to track down. Maybe that’s why Hurley said “good” on anyone else being there.[/quote]
    I’ve missed something here, how do we know that Sayid is tracking down people that are after them, who is/are “them” everyone from the island or the crash survivors…is he loyal to Ben or to the O6? I am missing that thread of the story.

  270. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="196662"]
    Okay, if we can figure out where Jin worked before the flight we can determine whether or not the Panda delivery was a flashback. I don’t remember it being Paik Automotive, does anyone else? I just remember he was a fisherman and then a hit man for Sun’s father. What is Charles Whitemore’s company? Will he end up being an associate of Sun’s dad? Jin had to lean in and sneak a peak of the baby, like he was imagining a life he’s missed, perhaps?[/quote]
    Paik Automotive is Sun’s father’s company, therefore Jin could be sent by Paik as a reprentative.

  271. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="196676"]
    I’ve missed something here, how do we know that Sayid is tracking down people that are after them, who is/are “them” everyone from the island or the crash survivors…is he loyal to Ben or to the O6? I am missing that thread of the story.[/quote]
    Sayid had a flashback where he murdered someone who became very nervous when he found out he was Sayid and was an O6. Then after he was shot by Elsa while trying to kill her boss, he met with Ben who informed Sayid he had a new target…therefore he is working for Ben killing his enemies(possible Widmore associates.)

  272. DocH says:

    [quote comment="196663"]
    Kwon Sung Heih. This could go in two direction. 1) she’s posing as someone else… possibly as someone who did die on the plane crash or 2) (and I’ll subscribe to this ) that she is seen as a *celebrity* and the hospital used an alias…
    [/quote]
    Or it could be a typo! hmm.. seeing as her name is
    Kwon Sun Hwa.
    nah… hospitals never make mistakes.

  273. LostforReal says:

    First time poster but I read this blog all the time…forgive me if someone has mentioned this already..but does anyone have any theories on where Frank went on his “errand”? And did the vegas guy go with him, he told him not to be late…just wondering where Frank would have gone off too

  274. RoseBUD says:

    Hey Paul, they would have to digitally recreate the late Miss Pleschette. But at least I got all of your references! :) Does that mean that I am old or just too much of a television buff?

    As far as the O6 go, I am still not counting Aaron as one. I will need more conclusive proof before throwing him in there. I still think we have one more left to see.

  275. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="196680"]First time poster but I read this blog all the time…forgive me if someone has mentioned this already..but does anyone have any theories on where Frank went on his “errand”? And did the vegas guy go with him, he told him not to be late…just wondering where Frank would have gone off too[/quote]
    Forgot about that. I was thinking that they went to the island. Now that the gas is disabled, they can do whatever it is they are going to do…

  276. i just read 264 comments, and it’s all i can DO to keep pressing so i can comment! i need to write my thoughts down as i go, cuz i’ve forgotten some!

    first: RGS (comment 158) — i don’t think the coffin article could’ve said kevin johnson. if you lostpedia the article, the name looks closest to “jeremy bentham.” also, i believe someone said on here once that it was revealed in a podcast that the person in the coffin is someone we haven’t seen yet.
    i’m SO over who’s in the coffin. only because i don’t think we’re gonna find out anytime soon!

    i also don’t think that the season 3 flash at the airport is the end. i think we’re working up to that to an extent, but i think that the plot will go past that…hopefully in an effort to return to the island. i think it will end with showing us what ultimately went down.

    comment 169: i’m pretty sure i recall an episode where the truth came out about michael. i remember hurley going [to michael] “wait…did you kill libby TOO?!?” and getting SUPER pissed off. i think it was on the walk to The Others when michael revealed the truth about The List and how he HAD to take them to ben.
    that being said, sayid has every reason to think that michael may be following ben’s orders.
    if that’s the case, and assuming michael wrote the note, maybe the captain is telling the TRUTH.

    i’m not convinced jin’s dead. the tombstone is a lie, what’s to say that the death isn’t a lie. that would be why hurley wants to be alone; he’s a horrible liar.
    sorry dude.

    i think it’s interesting that an episode of “expose” was on sun’s tv. that show must’ve been AWESOME for it to still be on in syndication. maybe ratings picked up after nikki’s death…

    QUESTION: why would sun want to go to locke’s camp? she went from wanting to get off to wanting to go to locke’s to wanting to stay…

  277. sorry that this is about The Other Woman,
    but what was up with Widmore looking right in the camera at the end?
    and it seems like ben and widmore know so much about each other.
    who’s telling the truth?
    are they in cahoots?!?!!
    i do think that widmore’s involvement comes from way more than a hatred for desmond.
    i spent the morning looking at screencaps of the video to try and see who ben’s kidnapped man was. didn’t look familiar. looked young/trendy though.

  278. RGS says:

    [quote comment="196684"]i just read 264 comments, and it’s all i can DO to keep pressing so i can comment! i need to write my thoughts down as i go, cuz i’ve forgotten some!

    first: RGS (comment 158) — i don’t think the coffin article could’ve said kevin johnson. if you lostpedia the article, the name looks closest to “jeremy bentham.” also, i believe someone said on here once that it was revealed in a podcast that the person in the coffin is someone we haven’t seen yet.

    i also don’t think that the season 3 flash at the airport is the end. i think we’re working up to that to an extent, but i think that the plot will go past that…

    QUESTION: why would sun want to go to locke’s camp? she went from wanting to get off to wanting to go to locke’s to wanting to stay…
    [/quote]

    Good points SF, I will hold off on the C talk, (I was just excited at the notion) though names on the obituary are irrelevant now that Mike has a new name, Ben could be giving them out like candy. “Ok, you be Kevin Johnson…and you, James…how does Herb Talbert grab you?” I also agree with the Jack FF not being the end. That would be a poor ending.

    Sun wanted to go back, bcuz she knew Daniel was BSin her. BSing in the sense that he isn’t giving up any answers.

  279. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="196688"]sorry that this is about The Other Woman,
    but what was up with Widmore looking right in the camera at the end?
    and it seems like ben and widmore know so much about each other.
    who’s telling the truth?
    are they in cahoots?!?!!
    i do think that widmore’s involvement comes from way more than a hatred for desmond.
    i spent the morning looking at screencaps of the video to try and see who ben’s kidnapped man was. didn’t look familiar. looked young/trendy though.[/quote]
    As you can tell from my posts, I agree with you. Season past we wondered if there was a significant connection. Now I feel that Widmore is behind most if not all attempt to infiltrate the island since the purge. I feel he has a hand in getting Des on the island and I am wrestling with how so many “connected” people were on the plane that Des “accidentally” crashed…

  280. PJSander says:

    RGS (#240) wrote: Plus Sun wasn’t pregnant when she boarded the plane.

    Well true. But unless the “island time” vs. “real time” plays into it, they would at least have to PRETEND she was pregnant when she boarded the plane. Or that she and Jin joined the mile high club. *g*

    Regardless, if the O6 “official story” (some of which Jack repeated on the witness stand) says that Jin died in the crash (which it does, if we can believe the dates on the grave marker), then in that official story, he couldn’t have fathered Sun’s baby on the island (which we have been led to believe he did).

    Julie (#246) wrote: TOTALLY!! I’m all paranoid now. First I was all “DHARMA/HANSO!!!!” When the guy bumped in to Jin. Then when she was having the baby.. I’m like “OH NO THEY DRUGGED HER AND ARE TAKING THE BABY!!!!!” lol!!! Glad to know I’m not the only one that’s totally paranoid!

    Is anyone else trying to find easter eggs in the COMMERCIALS?! I found myself looking the background for DHARMA logos and other clues DURING the commercials. *sigh* When is the next LAA meeting?

    RGS (#256) wrote: Wouldn’t they at a minimum say to each other in their private moment, “I wonder how he’s and our folks are doing back on the island?” Or, “it sucks that we had to leave them behind.”

    Well NORMAL people would, sure. But if Hurley and Sun had a conversation like that in front of the cameras would we be all crazy over trying to figure out if Jin is alive or dead? As I have said repeatedly, C&D et al are pure unadulterated genuises.

    Paul (#266) wrote: I am half-expecting the series final to have Jack waking up in bed next to Suzanne Pleshette and saying that he had a dream he was on an island.

    ROFLOL. I actually thought something similar! I thought that Sawyer would step out of the shower and Victoria Principal would say, “I had the strangest dream.” (And for those of you too young for the reference, bite me. Just kidding. It refers to Dallas, a night time soap which basically wrote off the worst year of writing by pretending the entire previous season was a dream. If I am not mistaken, it was that which inspired Newhart’s dream, which was FAR better anyway!)

    : ) P

  281. RGS and HAMMER…thanks so much for answering my question [why would sun wanna go to locke's]. i think that’s the first time someone’s answered a question!
    i agree that she knew daniel was b.s.ing, but i still don’t know why she’d feel safer with locke…

  282. Melissa says:

    I just read through and I’m pretty sure noone posted this yet…

    was Sun in America when she delivered her baby???

    everyone was speaking english, right?

  283. if it weren’t for the tombstone dates and the year of the dragon, i was totally wanted jin’s flash to be forward.
    when the guy stole jin’s cab and it showed the bear in the back, my first thought was:
    the clerk called his people and said “jin just left with a panda. he’s on the way to the hospital.” like they were supposed to delay his arrival.

  284. Mark Jensen says:

    I never caught that Jin was a flashBACK. I thought of them both as flashforwards. So Jin si in some “web” where he was decided to “fake” his death – for whatever reason that might be.

    So it kind of line up two possibillities:

    1) Jin is dead (if flashback)
    2) Jin has faked his death (if flashforwards)

    Anyway, all that stuff on the O6 is just guesswork. Just saying cause half the posts are about this, rather than discussing the facts we know and can calculate.

  285. Megalost says:

    hey # 276, i think sun wanted to go to locke’s camp because she doesn’t trust daniel and was beginning to doubt weather they were really there to rescue them!

  286. Mark Jensen says:

    Melissa:

    Her doctor was “Dr. Brae” or something and he was speaking korean. The assistant also looked korean, but I dont remember what she spoke.

  287. kid entropia says:

    do you think we´ll see them get off the island by the end of season 4, and season five and six will deal exclusively with life post-island? well, life post-island at least for the O6, because i think it´s almost unquestionable that some of the losties will stay in the island, with locke at the top.

  288. Melissa says:

    Thanks Mark – I’ll have to re-watch.

  289. RGS says:

    [quote comment="196692"]

    : ) P[/quote]

    I agree Paul’s comment was hilarious to me too. Hmmm, your logic does make sense regarding Aaron and Yi. They are in the same situation as far as O6 story goes, very nice plot hole catch! Geniuses, or making it up as they go?…hmmm. I’m on the fence but leaning toward jumping to their genius camp.

  290. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="196696"]I just read through and I’m pretty sure noone posted this yet…

    was Sun in America when she delivered her baby???

    everyone was speaking english, right?[/quote]

    Bless your heart. Watch the episode again, and this time without the chronic.

  291. Michael says:

    [quote comment="196638"][quote comment="196582"][quote comment="196303"]The FB kind of sucked. Seemed like filler. Kind of a let down. Ben could be behind Jin’s staged death. I think Jin could still be on the island. The o6 are living a lie, with lies on top of the lies. They don’t even want to be around each other for fear of looking each other in the eye and staring the lies in the face. I think part of the o6 pact was to get Aaron & Sun off the island for safety reasons. We know partly why Sayid became an o6er. Why Hurley? Why Jack — just to be close to Kate?

    I’m pretty sure they are not killing off everyone from 815 that is not an 06er. The other survivors must stay on the island. I suppose some might die in Ben’s war. Why would Jack purposely leave people behind so he can go back to work? Have they been fooled into thinking everyone else is dead?[/quote]

    sector, great post. But how come you’re not talking about the possibility that Aaron or Sarah might be Ben’s man on the boat? Or how cute the baby is with afterbirth all over her face?

    Let me see if I can help you sort a few things out… Jin’s FB was useless. If you think about it, everyone from 815 has a grave. All passengers where shown to be dead and unrecoverable. Cap’n said they were all grieved, hence buried, by their families. Sun does think Jin is dead or she would be trying to get back to him, duh! Jack thinks everyone else is dead too or he would be developing a plan to get them rescued still!

    How do you think the conversation went when Michael pulled his boat up to the frieghter? “Ahoy! My name is Kevin Johnson! Can I have a job as your janitor?!” — right… Obviously, Mike made it to civilization, changed his name so he would not be connected to 815 and could raise Walt in peace. But something happened to Walt, and Ben uses it to make Mike work for him. Hope this helps, sector. Seems like you’re not getting much love around here.[/quote]

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    LOL

    you can’t take it too personally if people don’t respond directly to your comments (I’ve had the same feelings on this and other boards). Last night especially, the board was running SO SLOWLY, I spent more time trying to log into the site than reading other people’s comments (and it’s not much better today) . And unfortunately after reading over two hundred comments this morning, I’m sure it’s hard for people to keep track of all of them. But I will say I usually enjoy your posts and I think you have some good, well-thought-out ideas.

    Anyways, about your comments….

    I had already said I thought the FB was useless (comment #70), so I agree with you there.

    I also agree about some survivors staying on the island, but this too has been discussed over the past few weeks, as people have tried to figure out why Hurley and Jack say in their FF’s that they want to go back to the island, so this may be why noone here felt the need to pick up that line of discussion.

    Not sure I agree with Sun trying to get back to Jin if he were alive. There’s a lot about the circumstances of the rescue that have not been explained yet. I could see Jin still being alive and staying on the island, but I could also see one of the conditions of Sun’s rescue were that she must never try to find the island again, or her baby would be taken from her or killed. And whoever it is that arranges for the rescue is obviously very powerful, so I don’t think Sun would take a chance on that.

    With Michael, I’m not sure if enough time has elapsed for it to have happened exactly as you said (he left the island with Walt about 30 days prior to last night’s episode). But I agree that Ben must have some sort of leverage against Michael. As annoying a character as Michael is, I still am looking forward to his FB episode that shows what happened over the last 30 days.[/quote]

    The boat that Michael and walt where in were not meant for open sea travel. Sawyer states that in the first season.

    I would asome that that little boat could make it much further out with out any sails. The freighter people picked them up on there radar. then picked them up. or walt got sick and Michael flaged them down for help.

    So that would put both mike and walt on the freighter. Walt could be the reason people are getting sick and and maybe killing themselve.

    Why the change of name from mike to kevin. Maybe he is afriad that people might find out what he did on the island so he change his name. More lickly Ben gave him the name and new he would be picked up.

  292. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="196698"]I never caught that Jin was a flashBACK. I thought of them both as flashforwards. So Jin si in some “web” where he was decided to “fake” his death – for whatever reason that might be.

    So it kind of line up two possibillities:

    1) Jin is dead (if flashback)
    2) Jin has faked his death (if flashforwards)

    Anyway, all that stuff on the O6 is just guesswork. Just saying cause half the posts are about this, rather than discussing the facts we know and can calculate.[/quote]

    How about Jin faked his death and it was a flashback? How about Jin went to a parallel universe?

  293. Michael says:

    “Assume” I am really good at typing and spelling! ha.

  294. nicunurse says:

    Great episode! Wow…
    What about the guy asking Frank if “he’s ready…” and then telling him “not to be late”…and now the helicopter is gone..what is all that about?
    I believe Jin is alive on the island….and his episode was a flashback. (Often, asian countries have more advanced technology, not less advanced…cell phone was a dead give away).
    Claire is gonna die…the writes said “the last of the Oceanic six will be revealed…” must be Aaron and Sun…When Sun called for an ambulance, she didn’t call her husband…a pregnant woman who has never had a child cannot tell a labor pain from “something is wrong…” labor pains HURT like something is wrong. She would have called her husband..unless she knew he was unreachable…on the island. Claire dies, Kate takes Aaron (instead of letting him be adopted…”omg, the baby we were supposed to adopt is still alive, he survived the crash…” “no, sorry folks, that is actually MY baby….Claire and “her baby” died in the plane crash….” that lie would annoy Jack!
    I agree that Sun and Hurley KNOW they have to keep up the facade that the others are dead..that is why Sun goes to the grave…this helps reaffirm…to Abbadon…that no one is left on the island…those people are dead…(so he will leave them alone.) That is why they are glad “no one else came..” Meanwhile, Locke, Jin, Bernard, etc. are left behind..waiting for some way to get safely back.
    I don’t trust the captain…we only have his word that Ben set up this crash with the bodies, etc. That would turn Sayid against Ben…maybe it was Widmore that set that up….
    And leave Juliet alone….I like her…she is trying to do whatever she can so Sun won’t die. So she has told a few lies here and there….

  295. Wolverine12 says:

    Jin’s was a FLASHBACK… Has anyone noticed they use the “Swoooosh” (jet engine???) sound whenever they cut to a flashback and no sound whenever they cut to a flashforward???

    Just a thing I’ve noticed and probably helpful in discerning the both in future episodes…

    This is my first post, by the by… But you’ll be reading me often, hopefully…

  296. Circus Mom says:

    A couple of people have said that Jin’s flashback was usless filler. I completly disagree.
    Jin runs in and buys a Panda. Goes outside and hales a cab. Answers phone after putting Panda in “I’m on my way….Hello…..Hello.. Gets knocked away from cab by young Korean man. Cab pulls forward two car lengths while Jin trys to recover his phone. Phone ruined. Balding white man (Widmore) enters cab with Panda and cab drives away. Jin returns to store to buy another Panda and now there is one behind the counter that wasn’t there before. Shopkeeper says it’s already sold, then agrees to sell it to Jin. Says “Don’t loose this one.”
    There is something more to this. One last thing, probably a production error. Jin Hales the cab by yelling “Taxie” in english.

  297. DMT says:

    Yo Becky! What up!! Shout out to ya!!

    I have read this blog for a while but this is my first time responding.

    I think that the O6 can’t say anything about the island because it will cause harm to those left behind so they have to lie. I think something happened with the rest of the O6’ers that makes Hurley not like them. Remember when Jack went by the mental ward to make sure Hurley hadn’t said anything? That was a very uncomfortable scene. Call me crazy but I don’t think Sayid is an O6’er…there is a reason why he works for Ben and has to do what he does to keep the island a secret. I think we are meant to believe that he is. This is why they cannot tell the truth about the island, because Ben will get them somehow. Michael coming back shows how much Ben can influence those that leave as well as those who stay behind. What would keep Michael from trying to hide from Ben for the rest of his life? Oh yeah, the fact that he seems to know everything about everyone! Jin is alive on the island, that I am sure of. He will not die in next week’s episode, that would be too obvious. I don’t want to believe it will be Claire either…at least I hope it isn’t her. The whole thing with Ben and the fake plane crash really took this show to a differnt level. All of a sudden, I feel like Dan Brown is writing for this show. Too enormous in scope for Ben to do this on his own. Can Ben (and anyone who is associated with him) be bigger than both Dharma and Widmore? I hope that when we find out the whole story, it is believable but then again, how can I say that when I can plainly accept the black smoke? I think it’s the scope that is throwing me off. Could he have crashed a whole ‘nother plane and nobody cared to look for that one?

    I know this is from last week’s ep but my favorite line was when creepy-ass Ben calmly said to Juliet after showing her the body: “Take as long as you need” after he just finished screaming at her “You’re mine!” Juliet is creepy in her own way, though.

    I hope this doesn’t cause anybody any harm to their brain cells.

  298. sector7 says:

    Reply to Michael, comment 291. If that boat couldn’t make it all the way then someone else besides the freighter could have helped him make it back. I will concede that Ben could have communicated with Mike before he reached the freighter. So you’re saying Michael has been gone 30 days and only either been on the boat or freighter? The freighter would have run out of food and fuel before 30 days of sea travel could have passed. That seems too long to me. I’m guessing the freighter left port a week ago, 2 weeks max. We’ll find out next ep.

  299. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="196710"]Great episode! Wow…

    Claire is gonna die…the writes said “the last of the Oceanic six will be revealed…” must be Aaron and Sun…When Sun called for an ambulance, she didn’t call her husband…a pregnant woman who has never had a child cannot tell a labor pain from “something is wrong…” labor pains HURT like something is wrong. She would have called her husband..unless she knew he was unreachable…on the island. Claire dies, Kate takes Aaron (instead of letting him be adopted…”omg, the baby we were supposed to adopt is still alive, he survived the crash…” “no, sorry folks, that is actually MY baby….Claire and “her baby” died in the plane crash….” that lie would annoy Jack!
    I agree that Sun and Hurley KNOW they have to keep up the facade that the others are dead..that is why Sun goes to the grave…this helps reaffirm…to Abbadon…that no one is left on the island…those people are dead…(so he will leave them alone.) That is why they are glad “no one else came..” Meanwhile, Locke, Jin, Bernard, etc. are left behind..waiting for some way to get safely back.
    I don’t trust the captain…we only have his word that Ben set up this crash with the bodies, etc. That would turn Sayid against Ben…maybe it was Widmore that set that up….
    And leave Juliet alone….I like her…she is trying to do whatever she can so Sun won’t die. So she has told a few lies here and there….[/quote]
    When Sun called and said “something is wrong” perhaps she wasn’t due yet.

    All the lies would annly Jack, so why that one in particular.

    When Abbadon asks Hurley “are they alive” perhaps he means Ben and the Others. Miles was going to lie and say Ben is dead for 3.2 Mil.

    The captain didn’t outright say that Ben staged the crash. He told about it and then said “that, amoung many other reasons, is why we want to find Ben.”

  300. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="196713"]Yo Becky! What up!! Shout out to ya!!

    I have read this blog for a while but this is my first time responding.

    I think that the O6 can’t say anything about the island because it will cause harm to those left behind so they have to lie. I think something happened with the rest of the O6’ers that makes Hurley not like them. Remember when Jack went by the mental ward to make sure Hurley hadn’t said anything? That was a very uncomfortable scene. Call me crazy but I don’t think Sayid is an O6’er…there is a reason why he works for Ben and has to do what he does to keep the island a secret. I think we are meant to believe that he is. This is why they cannot tell the truth about the island, because Ben will get them somehow. Michael coming back shows how much Ben can influence those that leave as well as those who stay behind. What would keep Michael from trying to hide from Ben for the rest of his life? Oh yeah, the fact that he seems to know everything about everyone! Jin is alive on the island, that I am sure of. He will not die in next week’s episode, that would be too obvious. I don’t want to believe it will be Claire either…at least I hope it isn’t her. The whole thing with Ben and the fake plane crash really took this show to a differnt level. All of a sudden, I feel like Dan Brown is writing for this show. Too enormous in scope for Ben to do this on his own. Can Ben (and anyone who is associated with him) be bigger than both Dharma and Widmore? I hope that when we find out the whole story, it is believable but then again, how can I say that when I can plainly accept the black smoke? I think it’s the scope that is throwing me off. Could he have crashed a whole ‘nother plane and nobody cared to look for that one?

    I know this is from last week’s ep but my favorite line was when creepy-ass Ben calmly said to Juliet after showing her the body: “Take as long as you need” after he just finished screaming at her “You’re mine!” Juliet is creepy in her own way, though.

    I hope this doesn’t cause anybody any harm to their brain cells.[/quote]
    I think Jin and Clare are both dead before the O6 get home. I don’t think it will be as soon as next week that they die. The wroters just got us debating if Jin is dead. Someone else will die first. I hope it is not Bernard or Rose. Might be Sawyer, that would be a shame.

  301. sector7 says:

    I guess we haven’t met the barber on the freighter yet? Mike had a nice fade goin on.

  302. Michael says:

    [quote comment="196719"]Reply to Michael, comment 291. If that boat couldn’t make it all the way then someone else besides the freighter could have helped him make it back. I will concede that Ben could have communicated with Mike before he reached the freighter. So you’re saying Michael has been gone 30 days and only either been on the boat or freighter? The freighter would have run out of food and fuel before 30 days of sea travel could have passed. That seems too long to me. I’m guessing the freighter left port a week ago, 2 weeks max. We’ll find out next ep.[/quote]

    Do we know if he has been gone thirty days? I’m thinking maybe the time differencefrom the island and the world may come into play there.

  303. nicunurse says:

    Re 229 Circus Mom

    You’re right, all the lies annoy Jack but I think this is why he doesn’t want to see Kate and Aaron…this was an unncessary lie…Claire’s baby was promised to a nice LA couple…they certainly could have said the baby survived and given it to the nice, two parent home. Instead, Kate kept him. I think that would make Jack not want to see Aaron with Kate, as though all was well.

  304. leah says:

    [quote comment="196597"]Just a fyi.

    Lost Horizon by James Hilton written back in 1933 about a plane crash in the Himilaya’s. The survivors end up in Shangri-La where no one grow’s old. And it’s run by a mysterious Lama.

    There is also a movie directed by Frank Capra, (Wonderful Life) “Lost Horizon”.[/quote]

    read it at school twenty years ago and seen the film …i also read the comments and article on wikipedia… not saying any one might not of thought of this all by themselves …but

  305. Michael says:

    [quote comment="196726"]Re 229 Circus Mom

    You’re right, all the lies annoy Jack but I think this is why he doesn’t want to see Kate and Aaron…this was an unncessary lie…Claire’s baby was promised to a nice LA couple…they certainly could have said the baby survived and given it to the nice, two parent home. Instead, Kate kept him. I think that would make Jack not want to see Aaron with Kate, as though all was well.[/quote]

    What if jack and Kate were the nice couple in LA.? Jack on the island learns that Clair was on her way to give the baby to a couple in LA. He finds out that the couple is him and Kate. Jacks not the one to believe in fate or destiny. He could be having a hard time dealing with that. He broke down crying when Desmond confronted him about his wife surviving the operation. That it was a miracle and he doesn’t believe in miracles.

  306. frank says:

    Unless I am missing something really simple, the O6 are: Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Sun, Michael (now known as Kevin).

  307. Mark Jensen says:

    The thing with “Oceanic Six” is, it’s who the characters of the show tell the media they are. For that sake there could be 20 survivors back home. We are already way above 6 (Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Sun, Aaron, Ben, Michael and Walt all make it back). My point is: O6 seems to be the lie of the characters. Not the actual number.

  308. frank says:

    O6 – “lie of the characters” – true enough, but in the advertising for the show, ABC says “at the end of the episode, you will know the last of the O6.” So it’s not just the “lie of the characters.”

  309. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="196731"]The thing with “Oceanic Six” is, it’s who the characters of the show tell the media they are. For that sake there could be 20 survivors back home. We are already way above 6 (Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Sun, Aaron, Ben, Michael and Walt all make it back). My point is: O6 seems to be the lie of the characters. Not the actual number.[/quote]
    Ben not from 815 and we havn’t seen Michael and Walt make it back yet. Probably won’t.

  310. Mark Jensen says:

    If the O6 is supposed to be completed now, it’s obviously: Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Aaron and Sun.

  311. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="196704"][quote comment="196696"]I just read through and I’m pretty sure noone posted this yet…

    was Sun in America when she delivered her baby???

    everyone was speaking english, right?[/quote]

    Bless your heart. Watch the episode again, and this time without the chronic.[/quote]
    Funnier and funnier….

  312. Hammer says:

    I don’t want to come off snobby, but why is it so hard to understand that Oceanic Six would be people that were on the Oceanic flight that crashed and then survived. It is only because the D&C have fibbed in the past and the promos have also fibbed that we don’t know if Aaron is a definate. My guess is that we will need a podcast or interview to confirm who they now since the episode didn’t confirm a list. We do know that Ben, Des, Juliet or anyone else that wasn’t on the flight would NEVER be an O6. Why would Oceanic payoff and hand out golden tickets to people who weren’t on the plane?

  313. Trixanna says:

    Was baby Aaron REALLY promised to a nice couple in LA or was that the psychic’s line to get Claire on the plane that he KNEW would crash (because he is a psychic) and Claire would then HAVE to raise him?

    As far as the panda goes, do you suppose there is something hidden in the second panda (drugs possibly) and Jin was just the delivery man? He seemed pretty nervous and acted like his life depended on him getting a PANDA to new baby.

    I agree with Hammer, the O6 really do have to be people who were on the plane when it crashed. Would Aaron be given a golden pass? If not, then he might not be one of the 06.

    So many questions, so few answers!

  314. Heidi says:

    Just want to say I’ve been a fan since the beginning and LOVE everyone’s posts. I have read Lost Horizon (a very s-l-o-w read) and like the idea of compare. And, like the note Sayid and Des received, I don’t trust a word the captain told them.

  315. Lostie says:

    [quote comment="196710"]Great episode! Wow…
    What about the guy asking Frank if “he’s ready…” and then telling him “not to be late”…and now the helicopter is gone..what is all that about?
    I believe Jin is alive on the island….and his episode was a flashback. (Often, asian countries have more advanced technology, not less advanced…cell phone was a dead give away).
    Claire is gonna die…the writes said “the last of the Oceanic six will be revealed…” must be Aaron and Sun…When Sun called for an ambulance, she didn’t call her husband…a pregnant woman who has never had a child cannot tell a labor pain from “something is wrong…” labor pains HURT like something is wrong. She would have called her husband..unless she knew he was unreachable…on the island. Claire dies, Kate takes Aaron (instead of letting him be adopted…”omg, the baby we were supposed to adopt is still alive, he survived the crash…” “no, sorry folks, that is actually MY baby….Claire and “her baby” died in the plane crash….” that lie would annoy Jack!
    I agree that Sun and Hurley KNOW they have to keep up the facade that the others are dead..that is why Sun goes to the grave…this helps reaffirm…to Abbadon…that no one is left on the island…those people are dead…(so he will leave them alone.) That is why they are glad “no one else came..” Meanwhile, Locke, Jin, Bernard, etc. are left behind..waiting for some way to get safely back.
    I don’t trust the captain…we only have his word that Ben set up this crash with the bodies, etc. That would turn Sayid against Ben…maybe it was Widmore that set that up….
    And leave Juliet alone….I like her…she is trying to do whatever she can so Sun won’t die. So she has told a few lies here and there….[/quote]

    I agree about Juliet, the captain, Sun/Jin, etc. I like your theory about why Hurley said “good” about no one else coming. I also think that if Jin had really died the rest of the six would have wanted to come, especially Kate if she was able to (and not in jail).

    Why did they bother with the flashback for Jin though? it confused us but was it necessary? maybe with the time conscious travel thing Jin got trapped in the past and is reliving it? and why did jin have to get to the hospital so quickly? when someone has a baby they’re in the hospital for a couple of days- he didn’t need to get there the instant the baby was born.

  316. DocH says:

    [quote comment="196748"]
    I don’t want to come off snobby, but why is it so hard to understand that Oceanic Six would be people that were on the Oceanic flight that crashed and then survived. It is only because the D&C have fibbed in the past and the promos have also fibbed that we don’t know if Aaron is a definate. My guess is that we will need a podcast or interview to confirm who they now since the episode didn’t confirm a list. We do know that Ben, Des, Juliet or anyone else that wasn’t on the flight would NEVER be an O6. Why would Oceanic payoff and hand out golden tickets to people who weren’t on the plane?[/quote]
    Nothing snobby about the KISS principle. Think Patient Zero in an epidemic. Now think Viewer Zero in a wave of speculation. Viewer Zero watches the show – period. No previews, no commercials, no blogs, no fansites, no podcasts, no enhanced versions, no spoiler sites, doesn’t talk to co-workers-family-friends about LOST… just watches the show. What has Viewer Zero seen about the Oceanic Six. Just what they are shown once a week, and so far – only 5 have been referred to as OA6 (ON THE SHOW)… any other character (as #6) is a guess. Pure & simple.

    [Of course some guesses are much better than others... Viewer Zero doesn't guess].

  317. Lostie says:

    [quote comment="196750"]Was baby Aaron REALLY promised to a nice couple in LA or was that the psychic’s line to get Claire on the plane that he KNEW would crash (because he is a psychic) and Claire would then HAVE to raise him?

    As far as the panda goes, do you suppose there is something hidden in the second panda (drugs possibly) and Jin was just the delivery man? He seemed pretty nervous and acted like his life depended on him getting a PANDA to new baby.

    I agree with Hammer, the O6 really do have to be people who were on the plane when it crashed. Would Aaron be given a golden pass? If not, then he might not be one of the 06.

    So many questions, so few answers![/quote]

    I was curious about the panda thing too- when i thought he was trying to get to the hospital for Sun in labor i thought the panda was symbolic of the island (wasn’t there a panda reference in the first season). But the explanation about Paik’s desire to do business with China explained it i suppose – he was told he had to get this guy a panda like his life depended on it

  318. sector7 says:

    Reply to comment 315. The only thing I question from Jin’s FB is — who kept calling him?

  319. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="196741"]If the O6 is supposed to be completed now, it’s obviously: Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Aaron and Sun.[/quote]

    I agree. I believe the promos did say the six will have been revealed by this time. Aaron, allthough in the womb, and not required to purchase a ticket, was indeed a passenger onboard 815. Conception = life, no? Is he a survivor of 815? Yes. Does he get a golden ticket? No, because he is a baby. Rebuttal?

    I think the real question is why do the authorities let Kate raise Aaron? They know who Kate is. They know she was not pregnant.

  320. RGS says:

    Sector lol@chronic!

    Nurse 294-those are some interesting takes, I like the theory about Aaron and nope, he’s my baby, “the dingo ate your baybay.” The other stuff we’ll just have to see.

    Cicus if that was Widmore, that was a very observant catch. I will have to rewatch and look for that.

    DMT Lol, I think the same thing when plainly accepting smokey.

    So now it seems like they are slanting the freightor folks as either neutral or not having it in for the Losties…so that means they probably DO have it in for them. I have no clue, keep the theories flying. It’s all about the podcast now.

  321. lost chicka says:

    [quote comment="196319"]Oh yeah! And how weird was it to see Hurley in a suit and tie??? He looked really nice. So did Sun. I think they must be getting mad money for all of this! Except for Jack. He lives in a little apartment full of maps.[/quote]

    i think cause he spends it all on booze, drugs, and more booze.

    what if walt’s not with michael cuz he got the same side effects that minkowski had and desmond had for a while and brandon and died or is one of the ” experiment rats” on the boat???

    if jin’s date of death is 9/22/04 he obviously isn’t one of the 08. but then how do they explain sun & jin have ji leon to the rest of the world on the show? i wonder how that will work out.

    hurley can’t keep a secret at all on the island, and he can’t lie. i can’t imagine how he would be able to lie everyday and keep everything about the island a secret. so i guess that makes a lot of sense on why he would be in the nut house.

    how on earth are they gonna explain 324 bodies being on the plain when 8 of those people didn’t die on the plane?

    never thought of that, but the blood stain in sayid & des’s new room could be from someone commiting suicide like regina . otherwise these freighter tots aren’t as nice at tator tots! (and i just call anyone on the freighter freighter tots bcuz it rhymes with tator tots, thust the last sentence there!)

    circus mom (c169): the others know michael did it, sayid knew michael wasn’t acting normal. jack and him came up with a plan on how to “cross” michael. michael broke down & told jack, hurley, sawyer, and kate on the way to trade them off for walt (and the cool name of kevin johnson) that he killed them. but even if my memory is screwed up there, they’d be pissed cuz he traded jack, sawyer, and kate for his son & left. so no, the losties don’t think michael is a good guy. but you’re right, mss clue told him to release ben & get the 4 people. it was michael’s choice to kill 2 people.

    PS: i’m like more then a 100 comments behind, but thought i’d save you from having to read an essay later, so i commented now. :)

  322. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="196750"]Was baby Aaron REALLY promised to a nice couple in LA or was that the psychic’s line to get Claire on the plane that he KNEW would crash (because he is a psychic) and Claire would then HAVE to raise him?[/quote]My take on the phychic was the he turned out to be a fraud. He became honest when his daughter came back to life on the autopsy table. He told Claire to get on the plane because it was a set up like many of the other passengers(this is just a theory that I have which in conflicted by Des’s “accidental” downing of 815). BTW, I wonder how the girl that came back to life fits into this now…

  323. Michael says:

    [quote comment="196775"][quote comment="196750"]Was baby Aaron REALLY promised to a nice couple in LA or was that the psychic’s line to get Claire on the plane that he KNEW would crash (because he is a psychic) and Claire would then HAVE to raise him?[/quote]My take on the phychic was the he turned out to be a fraud. He became honest when his daughter came back to life on the autopsy table. He told Claire to get on the plane because it was a set up like many of the other passengers(this is just a theory that I have which in conflicted by Des’s “accidental” downing of 815). BTW, I wonder how the girl that came back to life fits into this now…[/quote]

    We don’t know exactly what the psychic saw or knows. That presents a problem. how many out comes can he see. The one that Clair has to raise the baby and know one else. He also says that Aaron has to be raised with her goodness. Could that mean that some one else of equal goodness could raise Aaron. Then He says he found a good couple that can raise him in LA. That doesn’t necessarily mean that the couple was already there, he is a psychic, they could be there in the future. Am I reaching?

  324. Michael says:

    Does anyone have any thoughts on how Windmore and Jins boss are conected?

  325. intolost says:

    Anybody wondering about the bloody wall on the boat?

  326. apx says:

    :) can people please stop saying that michael and walt are part of the O6 – you’ve seen neither of them off the island; the O6 are the people who return under conditions where they are known to be survivors – even if michael had made it back to civilisation from the island i doubt he would have been seeking media attention – only jack, kate, hurly, sayid and sun can be confirmed as part of the O6 – where aaron is the possible 6th person.

    Ben we’ve seen off the island in flash forwards though he wasnt on 815 so i still hope Desmond is alive in the future too since i reckon he’s lost’s best character :)

    As for jin, i believe he is probably dead – Sun’s emotion seems genuine for a person who misses someone who has died, whilst Sun and Hurly’s visit to the graveyard seems unplausable to be “staged”. Jin’s date of death, however, is clearly a continuation of the O6’s “story” where they were the only survivors. I apologise if ive repeated things other people have commented on but im not up for reading all 300 or so comments just yet :)

    Oh and btw Lost Chicka – i doubt theyd resent Michael for leaving – Sayid seemed quite pleased and intrigued to see him on the boat.

    And reply to sector7, how do you necessarily know that the authorities let her keep aaron – my first reaction to when kate was at Aaron’s side (back from the court house), was that she had taken him for some reason or other from claire (possibly claire was one of the two who didnt make it), and in-keeping with the O6 “story”, Aaron was in fact “her” son.

    Finally, just regarding the island in the future and whether there are still people there – i think that Ben somehow has the O6 on a leash, having forced them to keep up the “story” that they are the only survivors – most probably due to the fact that he wants the island to remain unknown. What backs up the idea that the island still lives in a habitable state with probable survivors still living there, is the fact that at the end of Season 3, Jack’s longing for wanting to go back to the island would seem bizarre if there did not still remain something or someone to go back to. I doubt anyone would want so much in a very selfish way (as jack appears to), to return to a place to live in solotude.

  327. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="196791"]Does anyone have any thoughts on how Windmore and Jins boss are conected?[/quote]
    Yeah, I had a post on this in TOW thread. In the Bad Twin, chapter 8 specifically, it mentions that Paik and Widmore were going into a partnership. In TLE we learned that Paik and Widmore were involved in the Hanso Foundation.

  328. intolost says:

    Could Sun be faking her emotion at the gravesite just for Hurley? Seems she would be way more distraught if Jin were truly dead.

  329. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="196788"]
    We don’t know exactly what the psychic saw or knows. That presents a problem. how many out comes can he see. The one that Clair has to raise the baby and know one else. He also says that Aaron has to be raised with her goodness. Could that mean that some one else of equal goodness could raise Aaron. Then He says he found a good couple that can raise him in LA. That doesn’t necessarily mean that the couple was already there, he is a psychic, they could be there in the future. Am I reaching?[/quote]
    I don’t think you are reaching. But I feel that what we don’t know is whether he is really psychic or not. Which is the lie? Did Ben or Widmore get to him to change his story so that Claire and Eko end up on the plane?

  330. intolost says:

    Looked like she was getting ready to go out on the town with a date as the doorbell rang.

  331. CAG says:

    I don’t know why everyone is so down on Juliet … I’d watch the show if the entire premise was her, sitting in a chair, reading a dictionary!

  332. Rita says:

    Wow, I finally read all 325 posts! All very good thoughts and worth reading. Some very observant bloggers out there! I have a few thoughts as well:

    1. Agreed, Juliet should have NEVER told Jin Sun’s “secret”, but…she was desperate to save Sun. She believes that Sun WILL die unless she leaves the island SOON and the tots seem to be the best bet at the moment. HOWEVER, the outing of the secret set Sun (and Jin too really) free. It was the most connected moment since coming to the island for Sun and Jin. It brought healing, and…..closure. That’s why I believe Jin dies before leaving the island (not a fake death). They set it up for his death by having the closure scene.

    2. Sun seemed to believe something was wrong, rather than that she was in labor. I have 3 kids so I KNOW how labor feels, and I knew I was in labor, not that something was wrong. Therefore, I believe that this took place VERY SOON after the “homecoming” and that she wasn’t actually due yet. She had a full term baby in half (or so) the gestation time. My theory: Once leaving the island, the baby grew REALLY FAST, just like Aaron did (who now looks like a toddler rather than an infant), in order to reconcile on/off island time. This could also explain why Sun’s doctor was away; he wasn’t expecting Sun to deliver that soon either, or he wouldn’t have been away. (And speaking of Aaron, it would also be why Kate won’t let anyone see him and have to explain the freaky growth thing).

    3. When Hurley comes to see Sun, he is all dressed up, like for an event. It could be the memorial service for the Oceanic non-survivors, or for Jin, or an anniversary of the crash (not likely that, due to baby age). I agree with (was it Tim?) who thought they were going to another place after the grave site. He was likely glad no one else was coming because he feels funny around others who know the truth about what happened. Remember, it was Sawyer who said “if Hugo knows, everybody knows”.

    4. Speaking of Hurley’s visit, I thought Sun hesitated a moment before agreeing with Hurley that the baby looked just like Jin. Not sure yet that the baby IS Jin’s. Hmmmmm…..

    5. We have been drawn in to be sympathetic with EVERYBODY. No one is a clear cut villain at this point. We WANT to believe the tots, the captain, Juliet, Ben/Locke, when we hear their stories. We don’t know WHO to trust yet and it is frustrating. They can’t ALL be telling the truth!

    And last,
    6. I REALLY HOPE THEY PLAY THE BLACK BOX FOR US!!!

    Thanks for “listening”!!

  333. Hammer says:

    LAA Detroit Chapter Steps To Recovery:

    1. Admitting you have a problem.
    2. Stop theorizing who’s in the damned casket.
    3. Stop theorizing who the O6 are.
    4. Stop looking for clues in commercials.
    5. Stop referring to yourself as (insert your favorite character here) lover.
    6. Stop wishing you knew who the hell is whispering.
    7. Stop looking for DHARMA brand foods at the market.
    8. When parting company stop saying “See ya in anotha life brotha.”
    9. Seriously stop theorizing who is in the casket.
    10. Stop flying out of Sydney hoping the plane will crash.
    11. Don’t look up for a food drop everytime the local new helicopter flies over.
    12. I mean it, stop theorizing who is in the casket, your nose and eyes will bleed…

  334. Michael says:

    6. I REALLY HOPE THEY PLAY THE BLACK BOX FOR US!!!

    What do you think windomer had to do to get that black box. And what box wa s it. the one from the first crash or the fake crash?

  335. Rita says:

    [quote comment="196824"]6. I REALLY HOPE THEY PLAY THE BLACK BOX FOR US!!!

    What do you think windomer had to do to get that black box. And what box wa s it. the one from the first crash or the fake crash?[/quote]
    I don’t know, but I would really like to!

  336. Michael says:

    [quote comment="196806"][quote comment="196788"]
    We don’t know exactly what the psychic saw or knows. That presents a problem. how many out comes can he see. The one that Clair has to raise the baby and know one else. He also says that Aaron has to be raised with her goodness. Could that mean that some one else of equal goodness could raise Aaron. Then He says he found a good couple that can raise him in LA. That doesn’t necessarily mean that the couple was already there, he is a psychic, they could be there in the future. Am I reaching?[/quote]
    I don’t think you are reaching. But I feel that what we don’t know is whether he is really psychic or not. Which is the lie? Did Ben or Widmore get to him to change his story so that Claire and Eko end up on the plane?[/quote]

    Yeah. So by that line of thought all the main character were orchestrated on the plane?

  337. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="196823"]LAA Detroit Chapter Steps To Recovery:

    1. Admitting you have a problem.
    2. Stop theorizing who’s in the damned casket.
    3. Stop theorizing who the O6 are.
    4. Stop looking for clues in commercials.
    5. Stop referring to yourself as (insert your favorite character here) lover.
    6. Stop wishing you knew who the hell is whispering.
    7. Stop looking for DHARMA brand foods at the market.
    8. When parting company stop saying “See ya in anotha life brotha.”
    9. Seriously stop theorizing who is in the casket.
    10. Stop flying out of Sydney hoping the plane will crash.
    11. Don’t look up for a food drop everytime the local new helicopter flies over.
    12. I mean it, stop theorizing who is in the casket, your nose and eyes will bleed…[/quote]

    LOL Hammer. Might we adopt this for our chapter please?
    : ) P

  338. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="196826"]Yeah. So by that line of thought all the main character were orchestrated on the plane?[/quote]
    I’ve always thought that, the big contradiction is that Des accidentally brought the plane down. So it’s hard to keep on with it, but I have a hard time letting go because why else would Jack and Clair both end up on the plane? Why else would “special folks” like Locke and Walt end up on the plane? Why else would Sawyer end up on the plane with the son of the real Sawyer (Locke again). Why would Sayid end up on the island that Kelvin was on(remember they met on mission in the military)? Even Rose was told by the faith healer that she could be healed if she went to the right place…boom on the island. Just seems like a big set up now that we know these two powerful sides seem to be able to set up anything…

  339. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="196832"]
    LOL Hammer. Might we adopt this for our chapter please?
    : ) P[/quote]
    Yes, but you have to add to it…

  340. kojo says:

    In the first scene where Sun goes into labor she is packing a bag, probably for the hospital. She takes her toothpaste out of the medicine cabinet and grabs her toothbrush, but there is another blue toothbrush in the holder – looks like Sun has a roomate.

  341. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="196564"]What about the doctor telling Sun that she must have a C-Section and then she gives birth naturally?
    [/quote]

    [quote comment="196642"]Sorry, just have to ask this. Was there any significance to Sun’s normal OBGYN being at a conference (or whereever he was)? If not, why would they throw that in there and not just have the regular doctor deliver the baby?

    I know I am probably over analyzing to the nth degree but lately it seems like NOTHING is put in the show without some meaning, hidden or otherwise.

    Also, Sun did NOT want her wedding ring to come off. I think you people are onto something here thinking Jin may still be alive. She was drugged and not thinking 100% and may have slipped back, as someone else has pointed out.

    One more thing… LOVE THIS BLOG!!![/quote]
    I think the scenes with Sun going into labor and then giving birth were written to maximize the drama. TPTB probably thought it would make for a boring story if she feels normal contractions at home, goes to the hospital, gets an epidural, pushes for an hour or however long, and out comes the baby. So, they threw in a lot of trauma to make it all more suspenseful – remember Sun is the test case to prove Juliet’s theory about whether women who get pregnant on the island can survive if they leave the island. An added benefit to the difficulty Sun was having is that in her delirium she called out Jin’s name, so the writers continued the charade of having us think Jin’s story was a FF. The bit with the wedding ring I thought was a direct reference back to the season 2 episode where she lost her wedding ring – she probably promised herself she would never take it off again no matter what.

  342. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="196824"]6. I REALLY HOPE THEY PLAY THE BLACK BOX FOR US!!!

    What do you think windomer had to do to get that black box. And what box wa s it. the one from the first crash or the fake crash?[/quote]
    That was the box from the fake crash.

  343. vanessa e says:

    I don’t think Jin’s scenes were a flashback, b/c there was no reference to the past or anything. I think Jin is alive and working undercover for ben — or it was somehow in Sun’s imagination, so vivid b/c of the labor pains and medications? hmmm.

  344. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="196835"]Yes, but you have to add to it…[/quote]

    Well the only thing I would do differently is make it a six step program and consolidate a little *G*

    LAA Steps to Recovery

    4. Admit you have a problem. (done)

    8. Stop theorizing who’s in the damned casket and who the O6 are. (done)

    15. Stop looking for clues in commercials and DHARMA products in the supermarket. (in progress)

    16. Stop “missing” the sound of Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse’s voice when there is no podcast. (in progress)

    23. Don’t look up for a food drop every time the local news helicopter flies over. (done)

    42. Stop being disappointed that other people just DON’T take this show SERIOUSLY enough! (never going to happen, my recovery is doomed *g*)

    Thanks for making me put my thinking cap on, Hammer!
    : ) P

  345. Toeknee says:

    Regarding Hurley being happy in Sun’s FF….

    I didn’t see it that way at all. Sun said noone else was coming, Hurley said Good, but he said it in a way that didn’t convey happiness or relief. It was more of like, “Oh that’s OK, you and I will have a good time ourselves”, like he didn’t want Sun to be sad that noone else was there.

  346. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="196847"]I don’t think Jin’s scenes were a flashback, b/c there was no reference to the past or anything. I think Jin is alive and working undercover for ben — or it was somehow in Sun’s imagination, so vivid b/c of the labor pains and medications? hmmm.[/quote]
    Can’t be working undercover for Ben because he uses his real name:”(Jin comes to the hospital with the panda, there is man in suit standing next to the door where the baby is born)

    JIN: (in Korean) I am Jin-Soo Kwon. I represent Paik Automotive.”

    Also, the reference to the year of the dragon(most likely 2000) is widely accepted. He also mentions that he has only been married for two months.

  347. Michael says:

    [quote comment="196842"]In the first scene where Sun goes into labor she is packing a bag, probably for the hospital. She takes her toothpaste out of the medicine cabinet and grabs her toothbrush, but there is another blue toothbrush in the holder – looks like Sun has a roomate.[/quote]

    There is also a spots shving cream in there. Thats what it looks like which is wierd because it said sport in english.

  348. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="196850"][quote comment="196835"]Yes, but you have to add to it…[/quote]

    Well the only thing I would do differently is make it a six step program and consolidate a little *G*

    LAA Steps to Recovery

    4. Admit you have a problem. (done)

    8. Stop theorizing who’s in the damned casket and who the O6 are. (done)

    15. Stop looking for clues in commercials and DHARMA products in the supermarket. (in progress)

    16. Stop “missing” the sound of Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse’s voice when there is no podcast. (in progress)

    23. Don’t look up for a food drop every time the local news helicopter flies over. (done)

    42. Stop being disappointed that other people just DON’T take this show SERIOUSLY enough! (never going to happen, my recovery is doomed *g*)

    Thanks for making me put my thinking cap on, Hammer!
    : ) P[/quote]
    Ahh yes, the numbers…and I call myself an addict…

  349. Michael says:

    [quote comment="196833"][quote comment="196826"]Yeah. So by that line of thought all the main character were orchestrated on the plane?[/quote]
    I’ve always thought that, the big contradiction is that Des accidentally brought the plane down. So it’s hard to keep on with it, but I have a hard time letting go because why else would Jack and Clair both end up on the plane? Why else would “special folks” like Locke and Walt end up on the plane? Why else would Sawyer end up on the plane with the son of the real Sawyer (Locke again). Why would Sayid end up on the island that Kelvin was on(remember they met on mission in the military)? Even Rose was told by the faith healer that she could be healed if she went to the right place…boom on the island. Just seems like a big set up now that we know these two powerful sides seem to be able to set up anything…[/quote]

    Desmond does kinda put a kink in that theory. Well there is the other computer in the other room that has all TV’s. And although Desmond was late putting the code in, he did do it. He typed it allot. I always just assumed he was typing in the wrong code but, ….What if some one else was blocking him from the other computer.

  350. Toeknee says:

    RGS #256 and sector7 #267:

    First let me say I agree that Sun does believe Jin is dead. I think Jin is dead myself, but I will not be shocked if he turns out to be alive.

    So when I mentioned her not trying to find Jin/the island due to someone having threatened her not to do so, it was more of a hypothetical situation. But part of me was thinking that her father was on the side of those warning her not to look for Jin/the islang. So in that case she couldn’t invoke her father’s name or ask him for help, because she’d be crossing him. Again, I don’t think this is what’s happening.

    sector7 – your comment about Jack being obsessed with saving people…again, I agree, but in all the FF’s we’ve seen, at first he has no interest in going back. Eventually the guilt (presumably) gets to him, and we saw the result in the S3 finale. Yes, Sun seems like the type of person who would not just give up hope of ever seeing Jin again, but, like with Jack, maybe it takes her a while for her to get to the point where she couldn’t bear the thought of not seeing Jin. But in this FF, she hasn’t gotten to that point yet.

  351. RAY says:

    Well, I’m going to discuss some points from the book Lost Horizon and how they relate to LOST the show. BOOK SPOILER for those who want to read it beware…DO NOT READ this if you want the book to have suspence. And I politely disagree that the book is a slow read. It’s really short and the comparisons to show made it very interesting.

    1) The four people who were hi-jacked and taken to Shangri-La were selected. They did not have people who needed them back home (wives, children, for example).

    2) One in particular is a Man of Faith and another a man of Science, another a fugitive. Sound familar (Locke, Jack and Kate). The other is female missionary.

    3) The man of Faith is asked to take over the job as head lama (The Lama is like the grand puba or something). The head lama is centuries old but eventually dies. I think this is Locke being asked to take over for Jacob’s position (reference…”Help me.”) The Man of Faith name is Conway. Conway has no problems with the oddities of this place they have landed in and accepts things easily like Locke does.

    There is also a character that acts as a go between the Head Lama and Conway that reminds me a little of Ben.

    4) The Man of Science talks the Man of Faith (Conway) out of staying in Shangri-La. Conway spends the rest of his life trying to get back unsuccessfully.

    5) A woman who lived in Shangri-La for several decades (she’d be really old/dead if she had been in a normal place) as an 18 year old beauty. She leaves Shangri-La and ages quickly to the age she should be/would be and dies.

    6) Shangri-La is a remote mountain community in Tibet. Only people who straggle in find it (except for the plane). This reminds me of the hot air balloon guy and the parashuter and the French Lady (how did she get there?) that make it to the island.

    Shangri-La NEEDS new people to come in because babies (it appears) are not born there. They need to recruit people to keep it going. Could this be why the island needed the plane to crash on the Lost Island. Babies can’t be born there so they need new people keep the island magic going. (Just a theory).

    There is probably more but I need to get to bed.

  352. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="196861"]Desmond does kinda put a kink in that theory. Well there is the other computer in the other room that has all TV’s. And although Desmond was late putting the code in, he did do it. He typed it allot. I always just assumed he was typing in the wrong code but, ….What if some one else was blocking him from the other computer.[/quote]
    Hey, I like that. Puts me back “in”, unfortunately this is one of those theories that I have to wait for more clues. It just feels like they were set up to be on the island. And I strongly feel the Des was set up by Widmore to be on the island.

  353. RAY says:

    Sorry for the spelling/grammatical errors. I have three little kids and I’m fried. Good night.

  354. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="196867"]Well, I’m going to discuss some points from the book Lost Horizon and how they relate to LOST the show. BOOK SPOILER for those who want to read it beware…DO NOT READ this if you want the book to have suspence. [/quote]
    Thanks Ray. BTW Rousseau get on the island via a research vessel that crashed onto the island, her mates became sticken by a “sickness” and she killed them so as not to spread the “sickness” (some believe there was not sickness but possibly they were have the Minkowski/Des side effects).

  355. Hammer says:

    Bed time for Bonzo…but I leave you with this to ponder:

    Widmore (loudly)…Widmore (a little quieter)…Widmore (much quieter) Widmore (just a whisper)…

  356. Michael says:

    [quote comment="196868"][quote comment="196861"]Desmond does kinda put a kink in that theory. Well there is the other computer in the other room that has all TV’s. And although Desmond was late putting the code in, he did do it. He typed it allot. I always just assumed he was typing in the wrong code but, ….What if some one else was blocking him from the other computer.[/quote]
    Hey, I like that. Puts me back “in”, unfortunately this is one of those theories that I have to wait for more clues. It just feels like they were set up to be on the island. And I strongly feel the Des was set up by Widmore to be on the island.[/quote]

    I Think that to. I think the old man is also using his daughter to find him. If Windmore is setting up Desmond, Does that mean he got to Libby. Libby just gave him the boat. She said her dead husband would want that. She looked up set when she was doing that. I just coughed that up to her talking about her husband. But thinking about it now maybe she felt bad about setting up desmond.

  357. TheoryNut says:

    [quote comment="196867"]Well, I’m going to discuss some points from the book Lost Horizon and how they relate to LOST the show. BOOK SPOILER for those who want to read it beware…DO NOT READ this if you want the book to have suspence. And I politely disagree that the book is a slow read. It’s really short and the comparisons to show made it very interesting.

    1) The four people who were hi-jacked and taken to Shangri-La were selected. They did not have people who needed them back home (wives, children, for example).

    2) One in particular is a Man of Faith and another a man of Science, another a fugitive. Sound familar (Locke, Jack and Kate). The other is female missionary.

    3) The man of Faith is asked to take over the job as head lama (The Lama is like the grand puba or something). The head lama is centuries old but eventually dies. I think this is Locke being asked to take over for Jacob’s position (reference…”Help me.”) The Man of Faith name is Conway. Conway has no problems with the oddities of this place they have landed in and accepts things easily like Locke does.

    There is also a character that acts as a go between the Head Lama and Conway that reminds me a little of Ben.

    4) The Man of Science talks the Man of Faith (Conway) out of staying in Shangri-La. Conway spends the rest of his life trying to get back unsuccessfully.

    5) A woman who lived in Shangri-La for several decades (she’d be really old/dead if she had been in a normal place) as an 18 year old beauty. She leaves Shangri-La and ages quickly to the age she should be/would be and dies.

    6) Shangri-La is a remote mountain community in Tibet. Only people who straggle in find it (except for the plane).

    This reminds me of the hot air balloon guy and the parashuter and the French Lady (how did she get there?) that make it to the island.

    Shangri-La NEEDS new people to come in because babies (it appears) are not born there. They need to recruit people to keep it going. Could this be why the island needed the plane to crash on the Lost Island. Babies can’t be born there so they need new people keep the island magic going. (Just a theory).

    There is probably more but I need to get to bed.[/quote]

    **** THANKS FOR THE SUMMARY, I DIDN’T HAVE THE ENERGY TO RIGHT ONE. I definately think the Locke/Conway character’s are very similar and Chang is like Ben. Also, they have an amazing Library and antiquites similiar to the Other’s camp. I do think people are born there though, or at least the “local’s in the valley below. I need to read again. But I’m so glad you brought this up, I’ve been waiting for some of these awesome blogger’s to read it so we can theorize some more. I think Lost got a good foundation from Lost Horizon for sure!

  358. Lins says:

    Ok, just made it through them all and I don’t know if I was watching the same show or not, but I totally didn’t think that Jin’s story was a FB. What if…Sun doesn’t know that Jin got off the island…what if she really did think that she left him behind and then it makes sense that her and Hurley (and the rest of the O6ers) have to keep up the story that he’s dead…BUT! What if Jin is working for Widmore/Paik now kind of like Sayid is working for Ben? What if Widmore discovers that Jin is on the island and decides (knowing his past working for Mr. Paik) that he would make a good assassin/tough guy/whatever he used to be. He would fake his death and also, when I saw the old phone he was using, it made me think of Elsa and how she said her boss “didn’t like new technology” or something like that. Maybe that’s how the show ends…with a showdown of assassins between Sayid and Jin ;)

  359. Lins says:

    If I remember correctly, the store owner didn’t say it was the year of the dragon…he said that IN the year of the dragon having the weird dragon toy thing would bring good luck.

  360. skweez says:

    [quote comment="196748"]I don’t want to come off snobby, but why is it so hard to understand that Oceanic Six would be people that were on the Oceanic flight that crashed and then survived. It is only because the D&C have fibbed in the past and the promos have also fibbed that we don’t know if Aaron is a definate. My guess is that we will need a podcast or interview to confirm who they now since the episode didn’t confirm a list. We do know that Ben, Des, Juliet or anyone else that wasn’t on the flight would NEVER be an O6. Why would Oceanic payoff and hand out golden tickets to people who weren’t on the plane?[/quote]

    Could the term “The Oceanic 6″ be something made up by the media? We all know that they are “famous” and we know how the media likes to spin things and use catch phrases. If this is the case, then Aaron could certainly be an O6’r because it would have simply been a term for the survivors of the island, not those who happenned to be on the manifest of the plane.

  361. genethemachine says:

    [quote comment="196231"]i don’t think jin is really dead. i think he’s still on the island. his date of death was the day the plane crashed, and his death must be part of the “story” everyone the O6 are telling everyone. i think when sun says she missed jin, she’s missing him because he’s on the island, not dead.[/quote]

    interesting… when sun went to the hospital, she kept asking to “call jin, her husband.” at that point she was not drugged or in a state of shock. just a state of panic. what if jin really is alive and on the island? what if only 8 people could leave the island becuase that’s all the helicopter could manage to carry? of course jin would stay behind to let sun (and unborn baby) get off the island. huge sacrifice, but he would do it because he knows if jin doesn’t get off the island, she and the baby will both die.

    was interesting that the tombstone had a death date of the plane crash. also, in korean tombstones, they always list immediate family members of the deceased.

    sun never asks, “why did you have to die?” all she says is how much she misses him.

    jin is alive and stuck on the island.

  362. skweez says:

    OK, so Michael and Walt leave the island. They are intercepted by the others via submarine or some other sea worthy vehicle. Or they make it to land where one of Ben operatives intercept them. They explain to him that Widmore is coming and he’s sending a freighter. He’s given his assumed identity because they know the roster of the plane. They let him know that they’ll have to stop in specific ports in order to get refueled and so on. As we saw on the boat, Michael/Kevin is nothing but a lowly deck hand. This is part of his undercover work. The freightor tots will take him on because they can always use an extra golfer.

    Now, the obvious question is, why would he do this. And the answer is that they have Walt. They either took him during the “interception” on the water or they took him when Michael and Walt reached land.

  363. genethemachine says:

    [quote comment="196528"]What makes you all so sure that Jin’s story was a flashback? How many times has Lost thrown you for a loop in the past 3+ seasons? My theory is that Jin and Sun both returned to Korea. Sun’s father, Mr Paik forced Jin to work for him again and was furious that they attempted to go to America. He blames all of what happened on Jin. Remember? They went to Australia and were supposed to return to Korea, not flee to America. In light of this, Mr. Paik threatens Jin with death if he ever goes near Sun again, forces Jin to work for him in China (he was not in Korea during the flashforward…the Panda was a clue…there are no Pandas in Korea), and somehow fakes Jin’s death, hence Sun and Hurley visting his fake grave. I may be wrong, but I refuse to believe that he is really dead. Mr. Paik has the money and power to pull off something like this. Perhaps he even threatened to kill his own daughter/grandchild to keep Jin away from her.[/quote]

    ridiculous. yes, panda’s are an animal of china, but that’s why jin was so adamant about getting a panda–because he wanted do business with the guys company in china! the flashforward was in korea. the letters/banners along the street were all in korean… not chinese.

  364. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="196805"]Could Sun be faking her emotion at the gravesite just for Hurley? Seems she would be way more distraught if Jin were truly dead.[/quote]
    Depends on how long ago he died. We are at 6 months past real time on the island when Ji is born.

  365. PJSander says:

    Here is a little chuckle for my fellow LAA members:

    http://tinyurl.com/359dmr

    : ) P

  366. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="196821"]Wow, I finally read all 325 posts! All very good thoughts and worth reading. Some very observant bloggers out there! I have a few thoughts as well:

    2. Sun seemed to believe something was wrong, rather than that she was in labor. I have 3 kids so I KNOW how labor feels, and I knew I was in labor, not that something was wrong. Therefore, I believe that this took place VERY SOON after the “homecoming” and that she wasn’t actually due yet. She had a full term baby in half (or so) the gestation time. My theory: Once leaving the island, the baby grew REALLY FAST, just like Aaron did (who now looks like a toddler rather than an infant), in order to reconcile on/off island time. This could also explain why Sun’s doctor was away; he wasn’t expecting Sun to deliver that soon either, or he wouldn’t have been away. (And speaking of Aaron, it would also be why Kate won’t let anyone see him and have to explain the freaky growth thing).
    “!![/quote]
    OBGYN’s can’t be there for the births of all their patients. Another on call Dr. will sub on their day off, vacation, sick day or whenever. They could never leave town otherwise because you can’t always schedule a birth. I would guess that Sun may have delivered a little early but not much, so that puts Ji’s birth at June 05.

    I would then put Kate’s trial sometine in early 08. A lawyer friend said it is not unheard of for a trial to be delayed especially with all the special circumstances involved.

    Sun giving birth in May or June would mean rescue would occure in January to early May. My Guess, late March. Three seasons, three months. No other reason.

    Someone said Sun was in a hotel. I think a apartment because of the medicine cabinet. Pretty small place, must not have any of daddy’s money.

  367. 815 bottles of beer on the wall says:

    To add to the discussion of Desmond’s being “set up” :
    Notice that when Desmond seems flabbergasted at the owner of the ship “This is Charles Widmore’s ship?!?” Captain Gault just responds nonchalantly, “That’s right. You do know him.”
    Desmond wasn’t on 815, so his name would not have been on the manifest, yet no one is shocked or surprised to see him. As if they knew he shipwrecked there 3-4 years ago and knew he would be there when they reached the island. The captain even addresses him as Mr. Hume as if he knows him. I thought this was all very, very strange.

  368. Michael says:

    [quote comment="196945"]To add to the discussion of Desmond’s being “set up” :
    Notice that when Desmond seems flabbergasted at the owner of the ship “This is Charles Widmore’s ship?!?” Captain Gault just responds nonchalantly, “That’s right. You do know him.”
    Desmond wasn’t on 815, so his name would not have been on the manifest, yet no one is shocked or surprised to see him. As if they knew he shipwrecked there 3-4 years ago and knew he would be there when they reached the island. The captain even addresses him as Mr. Hume as if he knows him. I thought this was all very, very strange.[/quote]

    no. don’t know why i didn’t. So, if he knows him by last name there are multiple reasons. 1- Charles Widmore gave them inforamtion on Desmond. 2-The radio calls from Penny gave them enough info. or 3- Something i don’t know about.

  369. Michael says:

    [quote comment="196974"][quote comment="196945"]To add to the discussion of Desmond’s being “set up” :
    Notice that when Desmond seems flabbergasted at the owner of the ship “This is Charles Widmore’s ship?!?” Captain Gault just responds nonchalantly, “That’s right. You do know him.”
    Desmond wasn’t on 815, so his name would not have been on the manifest, yet no one is shocked or surprised to see him. As if they knew he shipwrecked there 3-4 years ago and knew he would be there when they reached the island. The captain even addresses him as Mr. Hume as if he knows him. I thought this was all very, very strange.[/quote]

    no. don’t know why i didn’t. So, if he knows him by last name there are multiple reasons. 1- Charles Widmore gave them inforamtion on Desmond. 2-The radio calls from Penny gave them enough info. or 3- Something i don’t know about.[/quote]

    3 could be that it is Pennys boat. Not so much. Although that could be a reason he is “flabbergasted” at the owner of the ship “This is Charles Widmore’s ship”. Maybe he thinks that Charlie is wrong about it not being penny’s boat if it is her dads.

  370. Michael says:

    [quote comment="196937"][quote comment="196821"]Wow, I finally read all 325 posts! All very good thoughts and worth reading. Some very observant bloggers out there! I have a few thoughts as well:

    2. Sun seemed to believe something was wrong, rather than that she was in labor. I have 3 kids so I KNOW how labor feels, and I knew I was in labor, not that something was wrong. Therefore, I believe that this took place VERY SOON after the “homecoming” and that she wasn’t actually due yet. She had a full term baby in half (or so) the gestation time. My theory: Once leaving the island, the baby grew REALLY FAST, just like Aaron did (who now looks like a toddler rather than an infant), in order to reconcile on/off island time. This could also explain why Sun’s doctor was away; he wasn’t expecting Sun to deliver that soon either, or he wouldn’t have been away. (And speaking of Aaron, it would also be why Kate won’t let anyone see him and have to explain the freaky growth thing).
    “!![/quote]
    OBGYN’s can’t be there for the births of all their patients. Another on call Dr. will sub on their day off, vacation, sick day or whenever. They could never leave town otherwise because you can’t always schedule a birth. I would guess that Sun may have delivered a little early but not much, so that puts Ji’s birth at June 05.

    I would then put Kate’s trial sometine in early 08. A lawyer friend said it is not unheard of for a trial to be delayed especially with all the special circumstances involved.

    Sun giving birth in May or June would mean rescue would occure in January to early May. My Guess, late March. Three seasons, three months. No other reason.

    Someone said Sun was in a hotel. I think a apartment because of the medicine cabinet. Pretty small place, must not have any of daddy’s money.[/quote]

    Wouldn’t she have the settlement from oceanic airlines?

  371. yogamom says:

    Just finished all 370 comments… Trying to follow the rules. I’ve been reading this whole season and Hammer and DocH,, you crack me up!

    Frank comment #305, I agree the O6 are Jack, Kate, Sayid, Hurley, Sun and Michael. The first five have been referred to or identified themselves as O6. I’ve never subscribed to Aaron being one. It would be sad if after all the hype about Michael being the MOB he was killed off next week or any time soon.

    Circusmom commment 366, if the “rescue” of the O6 came in March, Sun would be dead. Juliette said she had three more weeks til symptoms start, and then maybe another three to live. She can’t make it on island past mid-February.

  372. losty says:

    [quote comment="196825"][quote comment="196824"]6. I REALLY HOPE THEY PLAY THE BLACK BOX FOR US!!!

    What do you think windomer had to do to get that black box. And what box wa s it. the one from the first crash or the fake crash?[/quote]
    I don’t know, but I would really like to![/quote]

    if you watch the sidestory on youtube, with sam: the find815 something something. you would have known that the recovery team found it of the fake crash.

    you can still find it on this blog.

  373. RGS says:

    Lins 315 I haven’t had a chance to rewatch the episode, but I agree with you that the owner said “in the year of the dragon” not it IS the year of the dragon. However, it is still a FlashBACK because Jin said he had only been married 2 months. They are not going to have him remarry, and I’m fairly certain that he is not a Ben hired assassin.

    Sun’s dad said that Jin had to work for him for 6 months, and for some reason I think that they married within a year of the airline flight. That would be why he was so hurried to get the Panda to the hospital. It’s all about impressions! He gets a Panda from China delivered to the Ambassador within hours of delivering a baby boy…how’s that for service and showing desire to impress and do business.

    The way they are portraying Jin, it doesn’t seem like he could put up with performing nefarious actions for years.

  374. RGS says:

    [quote comment="196937"][quote comment="196821"]).
    “!![/quote]
    I would then put Kate’s trial sometine in early 08. A lawyer friend said it is not unheard of for a trial to be delayed especially with all the special circumstances involved.

    Sun giving birth in May or June would mean rescue would occure in January to early May. My Guess, late March. Three seasons, three months. No other reason.

    Someone said Sun was in a hotel. I think a apartment because of the medicine cabinet. Pretty small place, must not have any of daddy’s money.[/quote]

    It wouldn’t be unheard of in real life, however this is TV, there was stuff that occurred in the trial that can’t occur in real life, like a suprise witness in Jack. So I’m not so sure that it is in ’08, that’s quite a long time off.

    Also with regard to Sun’s spot, she may have been in an expensive apartment, I’m sure with the population density in Korea (assuming Seoul, it’s one of the most populated cities in the World) so it may be more expensive than what one would think.

  375. RGS says:

    [quote comment="196974"][quote comment="196945"]To add to the discussion of Desmond’s being “set up” :
    Notice that when Desmond seems flabbergasted at the owner of the ship “This is Charles Widmore’s ship?!?” Captain Gault just responds nonchalantly, “That’s right. You do know him.”
    Desmond wasn’t on 815, so his name would not have been on the manifest, yet no one is shocked or surprised to see him. As if they knew he shipwrecked there 3-4 years ago and knew he would be there when they reached the island. The captain even addresses him as Mr. Hume as if he knows him. I thought this was all very, very strange.[/quote]

    no. don’t know why i didn’t. So, if he knows him by last name there are multiple reasons. 1- Charles Widmore gave them inforamtion on Desmond. 2-The radio calls from Penny gave them enough info. or 3- Something i don’t know about.[/quote]
    Another reason he’d know him by last name is because Desmond told someone on the ship his last name and it got relayed to the captain.

  376. RGS says:

    [quote comment="196900"]OK, so Michael and Walt leave the island…. Or they make it to land where one of Ben operatives intercept them. They explain to him that Widmore is coming and he’s sending a freighter. As we saw on the boat, Michael/Kevin is nothing but a lowly deck hand. This is part of his undercover work. The freightor tots will take him on because they can always use an extra golfer.[/quote]

    An extra golfer would slow things down lol.
    Actually I agree with a lot of what you say, IF Michael made it back to civilization. I think however, he got an new identity from Ben, maybe the info and papers were already on the little boat. He can’t return anywhere as Michael because folks would be like, “Mike, I thought you were on the plane?” He probably can’t even go home because too many questions would get asked.

  377. Tim says:

    Completely different topic, just for fun I hope.

    If Arron was known to be Claire’s baby and Claire doesn’t get off the island but Arron does, would he get the settlement from Oceanic because his mother died and he was “on the plane”?
    Contrast that with him being thought to be Kate’s son. Presumably he doesn’t get any additional settlement money because his mom got it.
    Does this sound correct and isn’t Kate’s deception costing Arron big bucks?

  378. Bobola says:

    MIles sure has been holding onto that Grenade for a long time.

  379. RGS says:

    [quote comment="197102"]Completely different topic, just for fun I hope.

    If Arron was known to be Claire’s baby and Claire doesn’t get off the island but Arron does, would he get the settlement from Oceanic because his mother died and he was “on the plane”?
    Contrast that with him being thought to be Kate’s son. Presumably he doesn’t get any additional settlement money because his mom got it.
    Does this sound correct and isn’t Kate’s deception costing Arron big bucks?[/quote]

    Not that I am a tort lawyer, but that does not sound correct. Usually in settlements like that every individual gets the same amount of money, Aaron’s portion would be put into a trust.

  380. Lostie says:

    Did anyone catch Ben saying in the promo for next week’s episode that it’s amazing what a man will do to save his son? was that from a prior episode? maybe after michael and walt get home and try to take on new identities ben goes after walt again? i dont know how walt could go back home and not tell his mom and for that to not stay a secret. they’ve got some explaining to do.

  381. Lostie says:

    and why wouldn’t juliet be there to help sun through the birth when she was sooooo determined to make sure sun had the baby- unless she couldn’t be there cause she’s still an islander

  382. intolost says:

    I think Juliet and Claire are going to be dead. Claire has become a pretty minor character for a long time now. There is the Jack and Claire half-brother/half-sister issue though. I think Juliet’s got her problems like they all do but overall she’s alright. Yes, I agree, Juliet would have managed to be there (secretly since she wouldn’t be an ’06?) for the birth. It would be a sort of vindication and closure for her.

  383. sector7 says:

    I’m still going over Jin’s FB in my mind. Something isn’t right. Didn’t Paik always send him to do bad things? Could it be that something in the future has affected the past and we are seeing something that never happened before the crash? Could this be a FB of a past that is yet to be?

  384. Lostie says:

    why was sun so determined to keep her wedding ring on too

  385. Lostie says:

    [quote comment="197195"]I’m still going over Jin’s FB in my mind. Something isn’t right. Didn’t Paik always send him to do bad things? Could it be that something in the future has affected the past and we are seeing something that never happened before the crash? Could this be a FB of a past that is yet to be?[/quote]

    are you thinking he goes back in time and doesn’t get on the flight with sun

  386. Tim says:

    “…why was sun so determined to keep her wedding ring on too…”

    And why, when she put it on again, did they make it look like she was putting it on her right hand, and then showed that it was a reflection in the mirror and she was actually putting it on her left hand?

  387. RGS says:

    [quote comment="197195"]I’m still going over Jin’s FB in my mind. Something isn’t right. Didn’t Paik always send him to do bad things? Could it be that something in the future has affected the past and we are seeing something that never happened before the crash? Could this be a FB of a past that is yet to be?[/quote]

    My interpretation of Jin’s working relationship with Paik, is that, he’s a right hand man. He’s entrusted to do things more than just being a gopher since he is married to his daughter. So deilvering a stuffed animal to an ambassador is not outside the scope of his duties, IMHO. Plus he’d probably want Jin to delivery bribe money and this would help establish the relationship with the ambassador.

  388. Tim says:

    Did anyone catch Ben saying in the promo for next week’s episode that it’s amazing what a man will do to save his son? was that from a prior episode? maybe after michael and walt get home and try to take on new identities ben goes after walt again? i dont know how walt could go back home and not tell his mom and for that to not stay a secret. they’ve got some explaining to do.

    Walt’s mom is dead. That is why Michael has custody of him.

  389. Tim says:

    “…Not that I am a tort lawyer, but that does not sound correct. Usually in settlements like that every individual gets the same amount of money, Aaron’s portion would be put into a trust….”

    So they would give Kate and Aaron both the same amount, even though Aaron is supposed to be Kate’s son and wasn’t born at the time of the flight/crash?

  390. RGS says:

    [quote comment="197199"]“…why was sun so determined to keep her wedding ring on too…”

    And why, when she put it on again, did they make it look like she was putting it on her right hand, and then showed that it was a reflection in the mirror and she was actually putting it on her left hand?[/quote]

    Different countries have different wedding ring traditions. I’m not sure how they do it in Korea. Just saying it’s a possible reason.

  391. RGS says:

    [quote comment="197203"]“…Not that I am a tort lawyer, but that does not sound correct. Usually in settlements like that every individual gets the same amount of money, Aaron’s portion would be put into a trust….”

    So they would give Kate and Aaron both the same amount, even though Aaron is supposed to be Kate’s son and wasn’t born at the time of the flight/crash?[/quote]

    I sometimes forget that Aaron wasn’t on the plane bcuz in my mind he’s an O6er. The fact that he’s unborn probably means that tort lawyer should answer. It also probably depends on what jurisdiction the settlement is coming from.

  392. RGS says:

    [quote comment="197202"]Did anyone catch Ben saying in the promo for next week’s episode that it’s amazing what a man will do to save his son? was that from a prior episode? maybe after michael and walt get home and try to take on new identities ben goes after walt again? i dont know how walt could go back home and not tell his mom and for that to not stay a secret. they’ve got some explaining to do.

    Walt’s mom is dead. That is why Michael has custody of him.[/quote]

    Lol, maybe he meant using is time traveling consciousness.

  393. Em says:

    I think Aaron is part of the O6. I wonder what happens that makes Claire not one of the O6. Desmond told Charlie that he had a vision of Claire and Aaron getting into a helicopter, so we know that Claire is going to be attempting to leave. Also, I think Jin may be alive on the island and Sun and the rest of them are covering it up. Those that say Sun wouldn’t visit the grave if she didn’t think he was really dead might want to consider something else. Sun might have been visiting the memorial as a front in case someone was watching her, like that guy who visited Hurley in the Mental Hospital. If she didn’t visit the memorial, then whomever is watching them might start to wonder if Jin and the rest of them are really alive. They would start to wonder why a grieving widow wouldn’t visit her husband’s grave.So I think she had to go to keep up the fasade. I also agree with the comments made that Sun never mentions that he’s dead, just that she misses him.

  394. whiteroom says:

    [quote comment="196489"]Anyone remember the man Jin worked for saying Jin would be killed, something to do with the watch back in season one, just before the plane crashed, maybe he was assinated when he returned from the island as a celebrity it wouldnt be hard to find him.[/quote]

    I’m glad you mentioned that. I was thinking the same thing. Assuming his DOD on the tombstone is a lie, it’s likely that Jin could have survived the return, but died shortly after. This would explain Sun’s grief, I think.

  395. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="197120"]MIles sure has been holding onto that Grenade for a long time.[/quote]
    That was a grenade? I thought it was a young pineapple. :)

  396. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="196886"] He would fake his death and also, when I saw the old phone he was using, it made me think of Elsa and how she said her boss “didn’t like new technology” or something like that. Maybe that’s how the show ends…with a showdown of assassins between Sayid and Jin ;)[/quote]
    Nobody, not even in real life fakes their death then uses their real name again. I already did a post quoting Jin using his real name when introducing himself to the security folks.

    It was a FB, all the things that are being sighted as reasons to think it was a FF were planted so that we would think it was a FF until the end of the episode, when we realized it was a FB.

  397. Amarie says:

    Maybe Hurley is the only one to come visit Sun because Jack has gone insane already…Kate can’t like Cali with Aaron…and Sayid is a hit man traveling arond the world…

  398. Mich says:

    Just finished reading ALL these posts, and hopefully I didn’t miss the one thing I thought of already being discussed! Two things actually.
    #1: regarding the panda; the second panda WAS in the background at the register area when Jin was buying the first one. How about if someone (who knows who?) knew that Whidmore (or whoever stole the panda in the cab) was going to strike, and made sure the second panda (which was really THE important panda) was on hold just for Jin to go in and buy a second time around.

    #2: I think it was the same hospital Jin and Sun were at; during the last FB/FF at the hosp, Jin talks to a nurse on his way out, and you get a semi-good view of her badge, with a blue-ish band at the top. Then the scene cuts to Sun taking her ring out of a plastic bag with “Choodong Hospital” at the top printed on a blue-ish background.

    OK – I now I said two things, but there are really three
    #3: Maybe a hasty escape from the island had to be done with only a few (6?) people at a time; then the helicopter, or whatever means of transport, was not able to make it back to get the other people. They had all originally planned on getting off, but chose the first to leave randomly. Claire would have wanted Aaron to go first, and possibly sacrificed her spot for Kate for some reason. Therefore Kate feels compelled to care for and protect Aaron in the real world. So they are all presumed “dead” by the general public. Would be great if the series ended with somehow reuniting those left with the 6, once a way to rescue them is discovered.

  399. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="197199"]“…why was sun so determined to keep her wedding ring on too…”

    And why, when she put it on again, did they make it look like she was putting it on her right hand, and then showed that it was a reflection in the mirror and she was actually putting it on her left hand?[/quote]
    Yes, I rewatched on TIVO. It started out in the mirror but was really on her left hand. It was on the left hand when the nurse removed it also.

  400. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="197203"]“…Not that I am a tort lawyer, but that does not sound correct. Usually in settlements like that every individual gets the same amount of money, Aaron’s portion would be put into a trust….”

    So they would give Kate and Aaron both the same amount, even though Aaron is supposed to be Kate’s son and wasn’t born at the time of the flight/crash?[/quote]
    I think those who died on the crash would also get some type of settlement. If Claire would have gotton one Aaron would inherit it.

  401. nicunurse says:

    : Maybe a hasty escape from the island had to be done with only a few (6?) people at a time; then the helicopter, or whatever means of transport, was not able to make it back to get the other people. They had all originally planned on getting off, but chose the first to leave randomly. Claire would have wanted Aaron to go first, and possibly sacrificed her spot for Kate for some reason. Therefore Kate feels compelled to care for and protect Aaron in the real world. So they are all presumed “dead” by the general public. Would be great if the series ended with somehow reuniting those left with the 6, once a way to rescue them is discovered.

    No way a mother would let her son go without her…I don’t believe it. Claire would not give the baby to Kate (who already said she was uncomfortable with babies…). Claire MUST die…that’s the only thing I can think of.

  402. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="197212"]I think Aaron is part of the O6. I wonder what happens that makes Claire not one of the O6. Desmond told Charlie that he had a vision of Claire and Aaron getting into a helicopter, so we know that Claire is going to be attempting to leave. Also, I think Jin may be alive on the island and Sun and the rest of them are covering it up. Those that say Sun wouldn’t visit the grave if she didn’t think he was really dead might want to consider something else. Sun might have been visiting the memorial as a front in case someone was watching her, like that guy who visited Hurley in the Mental Hospital. If she didn’t visit the memorial, then whomever is watching them might start to wonder if Jin and the rest of them are really alive. They would start to wonder why a grieving widow wouldn’t visit her husband’s grave.So I think she had to go to keep up the fasade. I also agree with the comments made that Sun never mentions that he’s dead, just that she misses him.[/quote]
    Hurley said something like “we should go see him now.” Not, “we should go to the grave.” I am sure Jin is dead by the time the O6 are rescued.

  403. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="197215"][quote comment="196489"]Anyone remember the man Jin worked for saying Jin would be killed, something to do with the watch back in season one, just before the plane crashed, maybe he was assinated when he returned from the island as a celebrity it wouldnt be hard to find him.[/quote]

    I’m glad you mentioned that. I was thinking the same thing. Assuming his DOD on the tombstone is a lie, it’s likely that Jin could have survived the return, but died shortly after. This would explain Sun’s grief, I think.[/quote]
    Greif and traditions surrounding death are very individual and affected by culture, personality and circusstances. Some people go to visit a loved one’s grave monthly, yearly, or just oncee in a while. Some never. I have a friend that is still greiving almost daily over the loss of a child 3 1/2 years ago and one who although she lost her son one month ago is far further along in the greiving process. I don’t think there is any way we can judge a time of death by how Sun greives.
    Not saying he is dead also dosn’t mean he is alive. Most people would say “I miss you” not “Sorry you’re dead.”

    If the Helo was going to make several trips Sun would have waited to go over with Jin and Clair would have kept Aaron with her, so, Jin and Claire are dead. Others may still be alive on the island but not them.

    Someone said that if Juliette was off island she would have been at Ji’s birth. Sun may not have wanted her there and she didn’t know when it would happen.

  404. Michael says:

    So these people want Ben. Ben gets off the island and leaves Locke in charge?

  405. Cookie says:

    Further proof (in my mind anyway) that Jin’s story was a FB, is that he was shown losing his temper (very explosive) when his cab was taken, he was impatient with the cashier, all attributes of Jin pre-island. This episode was a story of Jin’s redemption and how he changed. I think the whole point of the FB (besides tricking us :) ), was to highlight the change in Jin.

  406. Cookie says:

    Another observation that someone brought up awhile back which I thought was a great point (sorry I can’t find your post), is if all the bodies were said to be recovered at the bottom of the ocean, how will they explain the Oceanic 6? Who were the extra bodies?

  407. macky says:

    I knew it! JIN is NOT dead!!! he is still in the island with the rest of the survivors!! that’s why Jack wants to go back!!!

    Year of the dragon 2000
    [quote comment="196223"][quote comment="196215"]Did anyone catch the numbers on the grave stone?[/quote]

    my husband caught the numbers and thanks to tivo:

    on the left side (what is probably Sun’s DOB: 3/20/1980)

    on the right side….

    (Jin’s date of birth)
    11/27/1974
    (Jin’s date of death)
    9/22/2004 (the day the plane crashed!!!!!!!)[/quote]

  408. Cutley says:

    More of this at http://robotindisguiseblog.blogspot.com/

    Does this mean that Jin is dead or is he still on the Island awaiting the same “rescue” that Sun enjoyed?

    If I had to guess, I’d say that Jin is dead. I suppose it makes sense that he is still stuck on the Island, but Hurley’s line about “do you want to go see him?” leads me to believe that he is in fact buried at the tombstone. This is my guess as to what happened. Jin was one of the two 815 passengers to survive the crash but die before rescue, which would jive with the testimony Jack gave on the stand during Kate’s trial. Between the time of the crash and his death, Jin impregnated Sun, but died some time thereafter. After his death, Sun is unwilling to leave the Island without his body and therefore is brought along with the other members of the Oceanic 6. Jin is buried under the tombstone erected for the couple after the fabricated 815 wreckage was found and the families sought closure by holding funerals despite not having the body. That would explain the 9-22-2004 date on the headstone and it would also close the holes in Sun’s story about who was the child’s father and why she was having a child in the 6 to 9 month window after being rescued from the Island. I don’t know whether I believe this myself, but it’s an explanation that fits in with some of the flash forwards we have already been given. The strikes against the “Jin is dead” theory are the date on the tombstone (why wouldn’t Sun have changed it?) and the fact that killing off 815 survivors makes it more difficult for the audience to buy into Jack’s obsession with returning to the Island, my argument from a few weeks ago. Are we really going to care if Mr. Go-Gurt is the one Jack is returning to save?

  409. DocH says:

    [quote comment="197295"]
    on the left side (what is probably Sun’s DOB: 3/20/1980)
    [/quote]
    according to Lostpedia – 3/20/1980 is Sun’s DOB. Good catch. Originally I thougt it was Jin’s christianing, baptismal, etc…

  410. Lostie says:

    [quote comment="197281"]Further proof (in my mind anyway) that Jin’s story was a FB, is that he was shown losing his temper (very explosive) when his cab was taken, he was impatient with the cashier, all attributes of Jin pre-island. This episode was a story of Jin’s redemption and how he changed. I think the whole point of the FB (besides tricking us :) ), was to highlight the change in Jin.[/quote]

    I agree- plus his death is consistent with how people died in the first seasons after they had some sort of closure or resolved a personal issue

  411. JamieGirl says:

    I’m still wondering why Charlotte hasn’t radioed the freighter and told them that Ben claims to have a man on their ship. Does anyone else have any insight on this?

  412. JamieGirl says:

    Also, if the tombstone was created after the flight, under the assumption that they were both dead, wouldn’t they replace the tombstone to read just Jin’s name when they discovered that Sun was alive? Who let’s their name remain on a tombstone when they are not dead?

  413. Cookie says:

    Many married couples do put both names on a tombstone when one spouse dies. They know they eventually will be buried together, so they buy the larger tombstone in the beginning, engrave it with the name and birthdate and the rest is filled in when the other spouse dies. This is actually the norm for most married couples. The one exception might be when a spouse dies early in life. Then there is the assumption that the remaining spouse will marry again, and be buried with a second spouse. Sun probably opted to go with the first option.

  414. LostinSev says:

    I think what Jamiegirl is asking is…if they assume Jin and Sun died in the plane crash, then why was only Jin’s DOD on the tomb and not Sun’s DOD (same date)?

  415. intolost says:

    I’d have to watch it again, but didn’t it almost seem for a moment like the hospital personnel were about to practically rob Sun, knock her out, and take the baby? How about the whipering nurses, “Oceanic 6?” as they were whisking Sun to the delivery room? Sun didn’t seem delerious at all to me. She thought Jin was coming. She kept insisting the staff call him. They were determined to take her wedding ring, and she was determined to keep it on. Note she did not want her family called!

    Considering we were shown a Sun FF and a Jin FB, is Sun covering up a faked Jin death to Hurley? Is Jin in hiding/faked death to be separated from Paik? I still think she would have been way, way more distraught at the gravesite if it were real. Yeah, she showed grief, but not a serious, fresh, gut-wrenching grief. And to be primping and putting on lipstick to go to the gravesite? Maybe, I guess, but….Yeah, there was men’s stuff in the medicine cabinet. It had to have been Jin’s! Are the 06ers’s going to be covering up lies to each other post-rescue?

    Weird, but didn’t it also seem a potential romantic thing for just a flickering second when Sun opened the door to Hurley? She looked nervous getting ready and when the doorbell rang. When she told him no one else was coming, he said, “Good,” almost like he wanted to be alone with her.

    I’m still wondering about the blood on the boat wall and how the faked crash was set up by Ben? Wow! I don’t think Michael is an ’06. I’m thinking he has permanently changed his identity. Hope good ‘ol Sayid gets lots of info out of him next episode! Heh…

    I still think the final ’06 are Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sun, Sayid, and Sawyer. I’m thinking Sawyer won’t want to be permanently separated from Kate and change his mind last minute. The dead two will be Jin and Claire. Jin’s fake, Claire’s real. Ben’s gonna whisk Juliet away or keep her against her will.

  416. circusdork says:

    i tink that jin is dead they said he died the day of the plane crash to protect kates story the six are kate hugo sayid erin jack and sun erin was on the plane in kates belly. ji yeon is created on the island and so that means claire and jin are the 8. i think the man on the boat is the captain b/c he sure knows a lot about ben and he is in control, michael may have lost his memory and became kevin

    just a thought

  417. Megalost says:

    Circus Mom, I agre with you. Not everyone deals w/ things like death the same way….Just because she never says he is dead and rather that she misses him doesn’t mean that he is or isn’t dead. We’ll all be speculating for a long time.
    I LUV THIS BLOG

  418. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="197351"]I think what Jamiegirl is asking is…if they assume Jin and Sun died in the plane crash, then why was only Jin’s DOD on the tomb and not Sun’s DOD (same date)?[/quote]
    Pretty simple actually, it’s a new tombstone assuming there was ever one that had both as dead.

  419. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="197335"]Also, if the tombstone was created after the flight, under the assumption that they were both dead, wouldn’t they replace the tombstone to read just Jin’s name when they discovered that Sun was alive? Who let’s their name remain on a tombstone when they are not dead?[/quote]
    My parents for one example, joint plot, Mom is passed and Dad info is there waiting for a DOD, happens often.

  420. RGS says:

    [quote comment="197239"][quote comment="197215"][quote comment="196489"]Anyone remember the man Jin worked for saying Jin would be killed, something to do with the watch back in season one, just before the plane crashed. [/quote]

    [/quote]

    If the Helo was going to make several trips Sun would have waited to go over with Jin and Clair would have kept Aaron with her, so, Jin and Claire are dead. Others may still be alive on the island but not them.

    Someone said that if Juliette was off island she would have been at Ji’s birth. Sun may not have wanted her there and she didn’t know when it would happen.[/quote]

    Love it Circus. I agree with Sun & Jin being dead. Jin could have sent Sun first, I could see that as a possibility, if he is even alive by that point. No way Claire leaves w/o her Aaron or vice versa.

    Sun is living in Korea, Juliette wants desperately to get back (presumably to see/care for her sister). Yes she is invested in Sun’s pregnancy somewhat, but enough to say, “you know what, I’m going to live in Korea with you until this child is born, my sister can wait.” Not likely. Plus didn’t Sun say she didn’t trust Juliette? (Still haven’t had a chance to rewatch the episode yet).

    I thought the Korean in the bathroom with Jin told him NOT to run off, or there would be consequences. Something to that effect. Sun’s father (the man Jin worked for) would not threaten to kill him for no reason.

    Folks don’t want Jin dead huh. If the O6 includes Aaron, and I now think it does, I feel like an ass for not realizing it when it was revealed. Someone even posted on here about how they wouldn’t say, “The O6 and a child, were recovered…” I need to put myself on punishment from the forum for that slip up.

  421. Bob Drake says:

    So what if like instead of Micheal Dawson showing up on the boat, it woulda been Micheal Jordan. How cheesed would Sayid and Desmond be? MJ hitting pure jumpers over a sad Ben Linus. Man that would be sick.

  422. RGS says:

    I meant Circusmom, but you two are that closely related and are on the same wavelength so it doesn’t matter. (Just for the record) love your ideas two CircusDork.

  423. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="197367"]Someone even posted on here about how they wouldn’t say, “The O6 and a child, were recovered…” I need to put myself on punishment from the forum for that slip up.[/quote]
    That was me, maybe someone else too, but def. me…I’m still waiting for confirmation from the show.

  424. Rita says:

    [quote comment="196928"][quote comment="196805"]Could Sun be faking her emotion at the gravesite just for Hurley? Seems she would be way more distraught if Jin were truly dead.[/quote]
    Depends on how long ago he died. We are at 6 months past real time on the island when Ji is born.[/quote]
    Why do you think we are 6 months into “real time” post island? Because Sun had the baby? Again, as I said earlier, I truly believe that Sun had the baby unexpectedly “early” (the doctor was not expecting it, he was on vacation; she didn’t expect it, she thought something was wrong, etc.). D&C told us to “watch for growth issues”. I believe that the baby grew very fast off island (to catch up to real time) and was born a full-term premmie.

  425. Rita says:

    [quote comment="196937"][quote comment="196821"]Wow, I finally read all 325 posts! All very good thoughts and worth reading. Some very observant bloggers out there! I have a few thoughts as well:

    2. Sun seemed to believe something was wrong, rather than that she was in labor. I have 3 kids so I KNOW how labor feels, and I knew I was in labor, not that something was wrong. Therefore, I believe that this took place VERY SOON after the “homecoming” and that she wasn’t actually due yet. She had a full term baby in half (or so) the gestation time. My theory: Once leaving the island, the baby grew REALLY FAST, just like Aaron did (who now looks like a toddler rather than an infant), in order to reconcile on/off island time. This could also explain why Sun’s doctor was away; he wasn’t expecting Sun to deliver that soon either, or he wouldn’t have been away. (And speaking of Aaron, it would also be why Kate won’t let anyone see him and have to explain the freaky growth thing).
    “!![/quote]
    OBGYN’s can’t be there for the births of all their patients. Another on call Dr. will sub on their day off, vacation, sick day or whenever. They could never leave town otherwise because you can’t always schedule a birth. I would guess that Sun may have delivered a little early but not much, so that puts Ji’s birth at June 05.

    I would then put Kate’s trial sometine in early 08. A lawyer friend said it is not unheard of for a trial to be delayed especially with all the special circumstances involved.

    Sun giving birth in May or June would mean rescue would occure in January to early May. My Guess, late March. Three seasons, three months. No other reason.

    Someone said Sun was in a hotel. I think a apartment because of the medicine cabinet. Pretty small place, must not have any of daddy’s money.[/quote]
    *************************
    Remember Sun’s doctor, how nervous he was when he lied and told Sun that SHE was sterile, so as to not upset Jin (who worked for Mr. Paik and might be volatile)? I don’t believe this doctor would ever go to a conference and be away if he was expecting the daughter of Mr. Paik to deliver soon.

  426. Trixanna says:

    Rita #424
    I think you are right. Sun wsa NOT expecting to deliver yet. She acted like it was an emergency and like she thought she might lose the baby. Instead, out came a full-term baby!

    Never having had a child myself, don’t doctor’s tell their pregnant patients that they may be out-of-town and have them meet their partners at least once before the due date arrives? I have known people who this scenerio has happened to but I don’t know if it is the norm.

  427. Hammer says:

    Someone had mentioned a trick to searching by a key word. Can you please remind me how?

  428. Trixanna says:

    Hello Hammer,
    Control “F” (find). A little screen pops up and you can type in the word you are looking for.

  429. Rita says:

    [quote comment="197011"][quote comment="196825"][quote comment="196824"]6. I REALLY HOPE THEY PLAY THE BLACK BOX FOR US!!!

    What do you think windomer had to do to get that black box. And what box wa s it. the one from the first crash or the fake crash?[/quote]
    I don’t know, but I would really like to![/quote]

    if you watch the sidestory on youtube, with sam: the find815 something something. you would have known that the recovery team found it of the fake crash.

    you can still find it on this blog.[/quote]
    fake crash or not, I would still like to hear what it says. SOME plane was used, it has to say SOMETHING.

  430. JamieGirl says:

    Comment #158: I believe Mike is def. in the coffin because that’s why Jack was so distraught. He believed Mike could eventually recall how to get back to the island, so he wouldn’t have to keep continuing to do his “hope to crash by fate” trips. It was in a black neighborhood, no one was at the funeral because it was an assumed identity, and hence no one knew who he was.
    I need a screencap of that suicide story again, because I think folks made out a John on it, and thought John Locke, but it could actually have been Johnson.

    I think you are right-on. I also think that Walt gets off the island w/ Kevin (also under an assumed name) and after his father’s death, maybe he is taken care of by his grandmother, until he is murdered somehow (fast fwd to Miles appearing w/ the dust-buster to conjure up the dead) …

  431. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="197381"]Hello Hammer,
    Control “F” (find). A little screen pops up and you can type in the word you are looking for.[/quote]
    As Elvis once said, “Thank you, thank you very much.”

  432. DocH says:

    [quote comment="197375"]
    D&C told us to “watch for growth issues”. I believe that the baby grew very fast off island (to catch up to real time) and was born a full-term premmie.
    [/quote]
    First of all, full term AND premmie can not be the same. NICNurse plz? Second… Hurley visit to Korea appears to be June/July… If JiYe was just getting to start her second term (per Jules/Sun) in late Dec, then JiYe would be a 270 day normal birth in mid June… no time travel issues… maybe a week or two early. JiYe was a 7.5 lbs, 19 inch, fully developed baby-g… I’ve seen a few.

  433. JamieGirl says:

    How do you all manage to fade the previous text? I am not so tech saavy…

  434. DocH says:

    [quote]
    Control “F” (find). A little screen pops up and you can type in the word you are looking for.
    [/quote]
    [/quote]
    As Elvis once said, “Thank you, thank you very much.”
    [/quote]
    Hammer… you devil. You never told me about CONTROL “F”. Thanks for the advice. My world has changed forever. (Stars Rule!)

  435. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="197388"][/quote]
    Hammer… you devil. You never told me about CONTROL “F”. Thanks for the advice. My world has changed forever. (Stars Rule!)[/quote]
    Can’t take credit for that, someone else (Trix) found that one…
    (Winged wheels roll on)

  436. Trixanna says:

    I can’t take credit for it either, was it BeenJammin who explained it to Leah in “TOW” blog? I thought it was fascinating!!!

  437. RGS says:

    [quote comment="197373"][quote comment="197367"]slip up.[/quote]
    That was me, maybe someone else too, but def. me…I’m still waiting for confirmation from the show.[/quote]

    (Sneakin on even though I’m on punishment) I would not have taken it personal if you typed, “that was me…ASS.” Lol. I think I gave you props on that b4, but if not there I did it again.

    I’m going to return to my blocking and tackling roots. I’m not going to be lead astray by crazy theories anymore…I hope.

    Anyway, why does Hurley need to be at the gravesite to put up the front that Jin is dead? Why can’t she go by herself. If they are nervous about people watching them, they sure didn’t seem to be acting like it. Is she going to put the child in harm’s way, knowing that they are being followed? Hurley seems like he’d need the plan to be laid out to him again too, like right before they leave. “Ok, we’re going to go the grave, stay for x minutes, and pretend to grieve right?” Something like that.

  438. circusdork says:

    in my previous one i meant claires belly not kates. and to whoever said that sawyer dies that would make me so sad sawyer is one of my faves he is just very misunderstood. and to my mother saying be patient with me xp say it how it is to me

  439. circusdork says:

    to peoples questioning of hurleys presence, maybe she called him in the hotel and said something is wrong and he came then the baby was just born and then visited the grave site

    just a thought

  440. Megalost says:

    Hammer, Doc? Any other LAA geniuses that can help me? There’s been a mention of the psychic, a dead girl who had been brought back to life? I have no idea what this refers to….I have all the dvd’s. What episode was this?

  441. Megalost says:

    Oops, I know about the psychic Claire goes to but what’s the talk about the dead girl who comes back to life all about? Sorry for the error.

  442. circusdork says:

    the dead girl is his daughter

  443. Rita says:

    [quote comment="197386"][quote comment="197375"]
    D&C told us to “watch for growth issues”. I believe that the baby grew very fast off island (to catch up to real time) and was born a full-term premmie.
    [/quote]
    First of all, full term AND premmie can not be the same. NICNurse plz? Second… Hurley visit to Korea appears to be June/July… If JiYe was just getting to start her second term (per Jules/Sun) in late Dec, then JiYe would be a 270 day normal birth in mid June… no time travel issues… maybe a week or two early. JiYe was a 7.5 lbs, 19 inch, fully developed baby-g… I’ve seen a few.[/quote]
    ****************************

    Yes, she delivered a full term baby, but my point is that she wasn’t really at a 9 months gestation. Juliet said she had to leave the island before the mid point (approx 4 1/2 months then). I have no idea what seasons look like in Korea so I wouldn’t venture a guess as to what month it looked like it was when Hurley came to visit, but I believe it was very soon after leaving the island. After she got off the island, the baby grew super fast to catch up to off-island time. I further believe this happened to Aaron also. They caught up to real-time, thus Aaron was an infant when taken off island, and grew quickly to toddler size to catch up for the time difference. Therefore, the baby was born both full term, AND premie if you understand my point. Damon and Carlton said to watch for “growth issues” and I think this is what they meant. I’m probably not explaining very well what I am thinking but if I turn out to be right, remember that you heard it here first folks!

  444. Trixanna says:

    I am confused too Megalost. Can’t wait for somoeone to reply to which season/episode it was on because I may have to watch it tomorrow.

    There are so many things I seem to forget about, yikes! The nose bleeds are under control for now though.

  445. Megalost says:

    [quote comment="197398"]the dead girl is his daughter[/quote]
    ____________________________

    10q
    Any idea what episode? What disc? etc.etc? i have NO reccollection whatsoever. Isn’t it crazy how many times u can watch an episode and STILL not catch everything?? Is there only 1 more episode left before the break? Bummed.

  446. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="197396"]Hammer, Doc? Any other LAA geniuses that can help me? There’s been a mention of the psychic, a dead girl who had been brought back to life? I have no idea what this refers to….I have all the dvd’s. What episode was this?[/quote]I believe it was the episode called “?”. You can find her story on Lostpedia.com. She was the daughter of the pyschic that told Claire to take her child to LA for adoption. She drowned the came back to life on the autopsy table. She showed up at the airport and told Eko that Yemi gave her a message while “between” places.

  447. Hammer says:

    More:

    Eko was sent to investigate the “miracle”. The psychic told Eko that he was a fraud and that his wife and daughter made up the story to discredit him. Then his daughter showed up at the airport to tell Eko that she had seen Yemi while between places, leading us to believe that the miracle did happen.

  448. Rita says:

    [quote comment="197406"][quote comment="197396"]Hammer, Doc? Any other LAA geniuses that can help me? There’s been a mention of the psychic, a dead girl who had been brought back to life? I have no idea what this refers to….I have all the dvd’s. What episode was this?[/quote]I believe it was the episode called “?”. You can find her story on Lostpedia.com. She was the daughter of the pyschic that told Claire to take her child to LA for adoption. She drowned the came back to life on the autopsy table. She showed up at the airport and told Eko that Yemi gave her a message while “between” places.[/quote]
    Thanks Hammer. I was having trouble remembering the dead girl story too, but I remember now.

  449. Hammer says:

    I thinks it’s in Season 2, episode 21.

  450. Megalost says:

    Yemi was? Ecko’s brother? I apologize. I will be rewatching. Just don’t recall.
    Hammer, ur da MAN! XOXO

  451. Michael says:

    [quote comment="197406"][quote comment="197396"]Hammer, Doc? Any other LAA geniuses that can help me? There’s been a mention of the psychic, a dead girl who had been brought back to life? I have no idea what this refers to….I have all the dvd’s. What episode was this?[/quote]I believe it was the episode called “?”. You can find her story on Lostpedia.com. She was the daughter of the pyschic that told Claire to take her child to LA for adoption. She drowned the came back to life on the autopsy table. She showed up at the airport and told Eko that Yemi gave her a message while “between” places.[/quote]

    And Libby was in that scene to for what appeared for no reason other to be in the scene. But know I’m thinking she was working for someone, making sure certain people made it on the plane. I’ll have top re-watch the episode but I think there calling the flight number during Ekos talk with the girl. Libby steps in and asks if everything was all right. Soon after that I think he goes to board the plane.

  452. DocH says:

    [quote comment="197400"]
    I have no idea what seasons look like in Korea so I wouldn’t venture a guess as to what month it looked like it was when Hurley came to visit, but I believe it was very soon after leaving the island.
    [/quote]
    The Jin grave scene was a very floral, summer-like, full bloom (Hurley sweating) time. Seoul, South Korea is the same North Latitude as the San Fran (Wine Country) in the US. Both of which I have lived many years in.

  453. Jim F says:

    [quote comment="197368"]So what if like instead of Micheal Dawson showing up on the boat, it woulda been Micheal Jordan. How cheesed would Sayid and Desmond be? MJ hitting pure jumpers over a sad Ben Linus. Man that would be sick.[/quote]

    I think this guy Bob Drake might be onto something. Seriously, how sad would Ben be? Charles Widmore spending billions, staging a plane crash, just to find the island just so that he can see the sad as F look on Ben’s face when he gets balled up real F bad by MJ. That would be an epic ending to a season that hasn’t really delivered the goods as of yet.

  454. Megalost says:

    It hasn’t delivered the goods? I digress. Because I have never been so engrossed by a show ever. I used to love 24, the 1st few seasons, X files, etc. but nothing can compare to this. It’s got us all going crazy! U know u love it or u wouldn’t be on this blog. Some episodes aren’t as good as others sure. But it is like a huge puzzle. We get bits and pieces. Even where some people say it’s just filler, there are always clues.

  455. Trixanna says:

    Thanks Hammer. Season 2, Episode 21, got it! Guess I know what I will be doing for a little while tomorrow. To be honest, I was starting to lose interest in S2 and may have missed 2 or 3 episodes. Sounds like this was one of them. Glad I stuck it out though because the show is keeping my interest (and then some) now. Anyone else think it was going nowhere back then? Oops, sorry Becky, gotta stick to the right episode in this blog! My bad.

  456. TanziTwo says:

    [quote]
    So what if like instead of Micheal Dawson showing up on the boat, it woulda been Micheal Jordan. How cheesed would Sayid and Desmond be? MJ hitting pure jumpers over a sad Ben Linus. Man that would be sick.
    [/quote]
    [quote]
    I think this guy Bob Drake might be onto something. Seriously, how sad would Ben be? Charles Widmore spending billions, staging a plane crash, just to find the island just so that he can see the sad as F look on Ben’s face when he gets balled up real F bad by MJ.
    [/quote]
    Okay there. You obviously don’t know LOST. The epic ending is Locke out shoots, out rebounds, & dominates MJ in 1-on-1… MJ looks looks like he is about to make his first 2, to Locke’s 100, and Ben pops a cap in him, sends him back to the mainland and MJ spends the rest of his life in Locke’s wheelchair. Locke is too good for the NBA and takes over MJs’ slot as the worst baseball player ever.

  457. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="197392"](Sneakin on even though I’m on punishment) I would not have taken it personal if you typed, “that was me…ASS.” Lol. I think I gave you props on that b4, but if not there I did it again.

    [/quote]Funny stuff. I have to fight for time with my kid. She’s doin’ Webkinz while I’m trying to do Lostkinz. Mean while my wife is tired of me saying “See ya in anotha life brotha” instead of good bye. What’s her problem? :)

  458. nicunurse says:

    [quote comment="197386"][quote comment="197375"]
    D&C told us to “watch for growth issues”. I believe that the baby grew very fast off island (to catch up to real time) and was born a full-term premmie.
    [/quote]
    First of all, full term AND premmie can not be the same. NICNurse plz? Second… Hurley visit to Korea appears to be June/July… If JiYe was just getting to start her second term (per Jules/Sun) in late Dec, then JiYe would be a 270 day normal birth in mid June… no time travel issues… maybe a week or two early. JiYe was a 7.5 lbs, 19 inch, fully developed baby-g… I’ve seen a few.[/quote]
    I actually calculate the expected date of delivery to be in July…If Sun conceived on the island (Jin) and was about 3 1/2 weeks before her second trimester…she would be due in July (Sun told Daniel she was “about 8 weeks” when she saw him on the beach). And yes, no such thing as a preemie and a full-term…
    Most pregos will say…I’m pregnant and it’s too soon to have the baby….not “something is wrong.” That implies a full-term birth that scared Sun (and baby was obviously full-term…pretty good job with that baby, looked very newborn like…).
    I agree that it is odd that the Doc was out of town…the fertility specialist….(who told her she couldn’t get pregnant..)…she looked shocked (usually doc’s do tell people when they won’t be around, especially that late in the pregnancy…Something was up with that Korean guy in the hallway (the one she thought looked like Jin…). Was he an Abbadon spy…hearing her call out for Jin..and now wondering if people are still alive on the island?
    Next week (in the previews) we see scenes of a big fight..what if they pretend they killed Ben and the others (to get paid by Widmore)…captain dies, Miles is happy with his money from Ben, Daniel doesn’t care because he time travels and Charlotte wants to stay and explore the island…Miles goes back, with Frank, to the freighter, taking a few others. They tell the captain “mission accomplished.” They all get paid BUT Abbadon doesn’t believe it and continues to watch the oceanic 6 to see if they slip up…that’s why the Korean guy is seen walking by, that’s why Sun missed Jin (who is on the island) and that’s why Jack wants to go back…there! Done!

  459. Hammer says:

    nicunurse..great theory, but who’s in the coffin? LOL. I’m not apologizing for that one, that’s funny…I’m belly laughin’ typing this out.

  460. Hammer says:

    Oh just in case you haven’t picked up on my type of humor yet…it’s just a joke. I think you are onto something with the Abbadon theory, you just didn’t address the C word.:)

  461. genethemachine says:

    [quote comment="197335"]Also, if the tombstone was created after the flight, under the assumption that they were both dead, wouldn’t they replace the tombstone to read just Jin’s name when they discovered that Sun was alive? Who let’s their name remain on a tombstone when they are not dead?[/quote]

    korean tradition has it where immediate family members names are also listed on the tombstone (as a statement of surviving family members).

  462. circusdork says:

    this might be just random but on myspace there is an add that says how will you die and there is a spinning wheel and one of the choices it lands on is a plane crash hmmmmm……….jk i just thought it was a funny coinkydink after starting to watch lost

  463. DocH says:

    [quote comment="197428"]
    Oh just in case you haven’t picked up on my type of humor yet…it’s just a joke. I think you are onto something with the Abbadon theory, you just didn’t address the C word.:)
    [/quote]
    We are in polite company now. We don’t say coffin… we say casket. *8)

  464. Circus Mom says:

    The name of the phycics daughter who died and came back was Charlotte.

    Was the guy who walked past the delivery room the same one who pushed Jin away from the cab in 2000?

    OK, Here is the big one.

    Charlie “I am dead, but I’m here too.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%B6dinger's_cat

    Found this reference while watching NCIS. Sun isn’t the only one who cheats. I also watch Medium. :(

    Schrodingers cat is a cat that is alive, and dead too. Haven’t read it all yet but…

  465. Freckles says:

    Did anyone notice the penmanship on the note from the MOTB? It looked a bit childish to me…so maybe Mikevin is not the spy, but Walt is.

    I also think that Jin is dead and was part of the O8. But it is plausible that Jin could still be alive and chooses to stay on the island in order to be safe from Paik.

    When Jin asked Jack for the cereal, Jack’s reaction looked a bit cocky. And annoyed when he learned that Sawyer helped Jin out a little as well.

    Sorry Hammer, some people still don’t get your point about the C word (see #430). But yours was the most creative way of spelling it out! LOL.

  466. tha train says:

    i think that jin stays on the island with several other people because the people on the freighter will only take a certain amount with them. so he’s probably still alive imo… but you never know with lost…

  467. circusdork says:

    [quote comment="197456"]i think that jin stays on the island with several other people because the people on the freighter will only take a certain amount with them. so he’s probably still alive imo… but you never know with lost…[/quote]

    to qoute some one else without looking for it sun would stay back with jin and claire would stay with erin

  468. Michael says:

    [quote comment="197468"][quote comment="197448"]The name of the phycics daughter who died and came back was Charlotte.

    Was the guy who walked past the delivery room the same one who pushed Jin away from the cab in 2000?

    OK, Here is the big one.

    Charlie “I am dead, but I’m here too.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%B6dinger's_cat

    Found this reference while watching NCIS. Sun isn’t the only one who cheats. I also watch Medium. :(

    Schrodingers cat is a cat that is alive, and dead too. Haven’t read it all yet but…[/quote]

    There is no way the writers put that much actual researched thought into a TV show that they would put on for the masses. I read about half way through en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%…
    before I started writing cliff notes so I could understand it. Then Cliff notes on top of cliff notes. Then still note completely getting it. I find it hard to believe that this TV show wound have back lining of TOE
    (Theory of everything). That’s a lot to take in. Although I think it would be assume if it was that complex. Because then it make the unbelievable, believable.[/quote]

    There is no way the writers put that much actual researched thought into a TV show that they would put on for the masses. I read about half way through en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%…
    before I started writing cliff notes so I could understand it. Then Cliff notes on top of cliff notes. Then still not completely getting it. I find it hard to believe that this TV show wound have back lining of TOE
    (Theory of everything). That’s a lot to take in. Although I think it would be awesome if it was that complex. Because then it make the unbelievable, believable.

    Sorry for the incorrect spelling . Just got home from the bar.

  469. leah says:

    [quote comment="196928"]
    Depends on how long ago he died. We are at 6 months past real time on the island when Ji is born.[/quote]Does that mean islant time and real time are different?

  470. Hammer says:

    Freckles, my point was nicunurse finished her theory with “there, done”. My joke was it can’t be done without saying who is in the coffin, since we have people constantly chiming in with coffin theories. Obviously not very funny…
    I don’t get you comment about how I spelled it out…???

  471. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="197448"]The name of the phycics daughter who died and came back was Charlotte.

    Was the guy who walked past the delivery room the same one who pushed Jin away from the cab in 2000?

    OK, Here is the big one.

    Charlie “I am dead, but I’m here too.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%B6dinger's_cat

    Found this reference while watching NCIS. Sun isn’t the only one who cheats. I also watch Medium. :(

    Schrodingers cat is a cat that is alive, and dead too. Haven’t read it all yet but…[/quote]
    I think I might understand your point. Charlie is both dead and alive until something about the island is resolved(opening the box with the cat in it)? Maybe collecting folks(whisperers, sorry I just can’t help but connect the whisperers to every theory)as they die?

  472. nicunurse says:

    [quote comment="197622"]Freckles, my point was nicunurse finished her theory with “there, done”. My joke was it can’t be done without saying who is in the coffin, since we have people constantly chiming in with coffin theories. Obviously not very funny…
    I don’t get you comment about how I spelled it out…???[/quote]
    In the coffin is Michael…a/k/a Kevin Johnson who, at some point, somewhat helped the Oceanic Six get off the island BUT, overall was pretty rotten to them (I am sure I don’t need to repeat how many questionable things he did). That is why Kate says “why would I go” yet Jack, compassionate as he is, realized that much of what Michael a/k/a Kevin did, was for his son. After all, Jack had that unhealthy father-son bond with his own father who, unlike Michael (a/k/a), put his career first. Hence, Michael (a/k/a..okay you get it)kills himself when he realizes that he will NOT see Walt again, he is under Ben’s power and all he did was for naught.
    There…DONE!!! (please don’t boot me for using the casket word…)

  473. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="197624"]There…DONE!!! (please don’t boot me for using the casket word…)[/quote]
    LOL, but I was JK.

  474. Hammer says:

    Can anyone see my comment 471?

    This is at the top: Your comment is awaiting moderation.

    What is that?

  475. Hammer says:

    Can someone respond to this post. I can’t tell if I’m getting through.

  476. Trixanna says:

    Good Morning Hammer, you are coming through. Glad to see that your Lostkinz won out over the Webkinz… lol.

    Nicunurse, you make a good point about the “C”. Hmmm… speaking of that, how can we NOT mention the “C” when we all know it is in the back of our minds??? I do think you have it though.

  477. Hammer says:

    Thanx Trix. We can talk C word, I think folks just got frustrated because people were just throwing out names without reasoning other than that they just died (Charlie) or assumed they will die (Jin). As well as repeats from folks who didn’t read the posts first.

  478. CAG says:

    I’m not in the coffin

  479. Rita says:

    [quote comment="197413"][quote comment="197400"]
    I have no idea what seasons look like in Korea so I wouldn’t venture a guess as to what month it looked like it was when Hurley came to visit, but I believe it was very soon after leaving the island.
    [/quote]
    The Jin grave scene was a very floral, summer-like, full bloom (Hurley sweating) time. Seoul, South Korea is the same North Latitude as the San Fran (Wine Country) in the US. Both of which I have lived many years in.[/quote]
    Oh I have no reason to doubt you, I just don’t personally have any experience with this so I didn’t catch it. Thanks.

  480. Freckles says:

    Hammer – I was referring to your comment # 333.

  481. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="197628"]Can someone respond to this post. I can’t tell if I’m getting through.[/quote]

    you’re in.

  482. lost4ever says:

    I haven’t read all the posts yet. Gone for the weekend. I did use the control F function though and found it odd that there has been no mention of lima beans…the food that the ship mates have been eating. I read this an another blog so I can’t take credit for it. Thought it was very interesting though. I will be spending the rest of my day trying to catch up on my reading. Here it is

    “To quote recipezaar.com –
    “Lima beans should not be eaten raw. They contain linamarin, which releases a cyanide compound when the seed is opened; however, cooking deactivates this compound.”
    Googling this further, it seems that some varieties contain more cyanide than others.

    What happens when you’ve taken cyanide? emedicinehealth.com says: “General weakness, confusion, bizarre behavior, excessive sleepiness, coma, shortness of breath, headache, dizziness, and seizures all can be seen with cyanide poisoning.”

    Confusion like reading a book upside down? Maybe jumping off a ship counts as bizarre behaviour?

  483. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="197011"][quote comment="196825"][quote comment="196824"]6. I REALLY HOPE THEY PLAY THE BLACK BOX FOR US!!!

    What do you think windomer had to do to get that black box. And what box wa s it. the one from the first crash or the fake crash?[/quote]
    I don’t know, but I would really like to![/quote]

    if you watch the sidestory on youtube, with sam: the find815 something something. you would have known that the recovery team found it of the fake crash.

    you can still find it on this blog.[/quote]
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++
    The real black box would have been in the ocean where the tailies crashed. It at some point, could have ended up in Ben’s possesion. The Tailies didn’t stay on the beach very long. And if it was Ben’s plan (HE ALWAYS HAS A PLAN) to set up a fake plane crash, I’m sure he would have retrieved the original black box.
    Who is to say that the original black box didn’t end up in the fake wreckage?

    On that find815.com do they ever say who own’s the freighter that the salvage crew is working for?

  484. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="197638"]Hammer – I was referring to your comment # 333.[/quote]
    Gotcha. :)

  485. Polli Kovitch says:

    The panda bear sequence is a flashback when Jin was desperately trying to please corporate leadership. Very clever writing to have the juxtaposition of the flashforward (birth of Ji Yeon) with the flashback. The SIX are clear: Jack,Kate, Sayid, Hurley, Aaron, and Sun. PS..always knew Michael was the “spy”. I never trust that man. WHERE’s Walt?

  486. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="197648"]I haven’t read all the posts yet. Gone for the weekend. I did use the control F function though and found it odd that there has been no mention of lima beans…the food that the ship mates have been eating. I read this an another blog so I can’t take credit for it. Thought it was very interesting though. I will be spending the rest of my day trying to catch up on my reading. Here it is

    “To quote recipezaar.com –
    “Lima beans should not be eaten raw. They contain linamarin, which releases a cyanide compound when the seed is opened; however, cooking deactivates this compound.”
    Googling this further, it seems that some varieties contain more cyanide than others.

    What happens when you’ve taken cyanide? emedicinehealth.com says: “General weakness, confusion, bizarre behavior, excessive sleepiness, coma, shortness of breath, headache, dizziness, and seizures all can be seen with cyanide poisoning.”

    Confusion like reading a book upside down? Maybe jumping off a ship counts as bizarre behaviour?[/quote]
    Interesting thought. They used spider bites to create confusion for us before. But wouldn’t high intel guys like these know better if this is true, or are the tots trying to intentionally confuse the Losties?

  487. Circus Mom says:

    Test

  488. Rita says:

    [quote comment="197648"]I haven’t read all the posts yet. Gone for the weekend. I did use the control F function though and found it odd that there has been no mention of lima beans…the food that the ship mates have been eating. I read this an another blog so I can’t take credit for it. Thought it was very interesting though. I will be spending the rest of my day trying to catch up on my reading. Here it is

    “To quote recipezaar.com –
    “Lima beans should not be eaten raw. They contain linamarin, which releases a cyanide compound when the seed is opened; however, cooking deactivates this compound.”
    Googling this further, it seems that some varieties contain more cyanide than others.

    What happens when you’ve taken cyanide? emedicinehealth.com says: “General weakness, confusion, bizarre behavior, excessive sleepiness, coma, shortness of breath, headache, dizziness, and seizures all can be seen with cyanide poisoning.”

    Confusion like reading a book upside down? Maybe jumping off a ship counts as bizarre behaviour?[/quote]
    Weren’t the lima beans canned? That would mean they ARE cooked, just cold.

  489. Trixanna says:

    The lima beans were in a can, I assume at some point during the processing that they were cooked. Wouldn’t raw be just picked and not yet processed?

    It is interesting that they had nothing to eat but lima beans though. I am sure there is some meaning to that, just not sure what it is.

  490. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="197664"]Test[/quote]
    Passed. Did you have the issue I had this a.m.?

  491. Circus Mom says:

    Hammer, When I try and reply to #471 I go to some weird screne that says my comment is waiting approval when I hit the submit comment. This happened for the first time with comment # 464. I don’t know if anyone else besides you has had this happen. Unrealated comments don’t seem to have this problem.

  492. Hammer says:

    Good point Rita and Trix. As fun as theorizing is, sometimes is nice to resolve them quickly.:)

  493. Circus Mom says:

    Hammer, Here was my reply to 471;

    Since the cat is both dead and alive it is also at every stage in between at the same time. This means the whispers might be the “cat” too.

  494. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="197672"]Hammer, Here was my reply to 471;

    Since the cat is both dead and alive it is also at every stage in between at the same time. This means the whispers might be the “cat” too.[/quote]
    Right on. I am thinking that the “observer” is the real world. Once the island(box) is exposed, then the dead folks(whisperers(cat)) will pass to wherever and no longer be part of the island(and possibly the security system).

    Am I picking up what you are laying down?

  495. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="197673"][quote comment="197672"]Hammer, Here was my reply to 471;

    Since the cat is both dead and alive it is also at every stage in between at the same time. This means the whispers might be the “cat” too.[/quote]
    Right on. I am thinking that the “observer” is the real world. Once the island(box) is exposed, then the dead folks(whisperers(cat)) will pass to wherever and no longer be part of the island(and possibly the security system).

    Am I picking up what you are laying down?[/quote]
    Yes, The island is the “box.”

    I am also curious why comments with the link keep going for “approval” and won’t go through. Or am I just paranoid?

  496. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="197670"]Hammer, When I try and reply to #471 I go to some weird screne that says my comment is waiting approval when I hit the submit comment. This happened for the first time with comment # 464. I don’t know if anyone else besides you has had this happen. Unrealated comments don’t seem to have this problem.[/quote]
    I noticed that Michael had a comment that has a banner that says “Moderated”. So he may have had it too. I wonder if Will is experimenting with a security system?

  497. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="197469"][quote comment="197468"][quote comment="197448"]The name of the phycics daughter who died and came back was Charlotte.

    Was the guy who walked past the delivery room the same one who pushed Jin away from the cab in 2000?

    OK, Here is the big one.

    Charlie “I am dead, but I’m here too.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%B6dinger's_cat

    Found this reference while watching NCIS. Sun isn’t the only one who cheats. I also watch Medium. :(

    Schrodingers cat is a cat that is alive, and dead too. Haven’t read it all yet but…[/quote]

    There is no way the writers put that much actual researched thought into a TV show that they would put on for the masses. I read about half way through en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%…
    before I started writing cliff notes so I could understand it. Then Cliff notes on top of cliff notes. Then still note completely getting it. I find it hard to believe that this TV show wound have back lining of TOE
    (Theory of everything). That’s a lot to take in. Although I think it would be assume if it was that complex. Because then it make the unbelievable, believable.[/quote]

    There is no way the writers put that much actual researched thought into a TV show that they would put on for the masses. I read about half way through en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%…
    before I started writing cliff notes so I could understand it. Then Cliff notes on top of cliff notes. Then still not completely getting it. I find it hard to believe that this TV show wound have back lining of TOE
    (Theory of everything). That’s a lot to take in. Although I think it would be awesome if it was that complex. Because then it make the unbelievable, believable.

    Sorry for the incorrect spelling . Just got home from the bar.[/quote]
    Hammer, I couldn’t find one that said moderated but found this one.

  498. Hammer says:

    Michael comment now has a banner that says “Spam” instead of moderated. His comment also had a link. I tried to responed to you comment with a link and then you tried to reponded again with the link. Must be a new security thing for the site.

  499. leah says:

    hi just watched lost , sunday night sitting. read most of the posts prior to watcing the episode . give or take a couple. one question i cant find an answer to.
    1. whats the cat thing all about? in the posts

  500. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="197678"]hi just watched lost , sunday night sitting. read most of the posts prior to watcing the episode . give or take a couple. one question i cant find an answer to.
    1. whats the cat thing all about? in the posts[/quote]
    Back in post 464 Circus Mom has a link to the article we were referring to.

  501. r@z says:

    Ppl … dont you think that the fake victims that Ben put in the wreckage could have come from the mass grave? The grave that was dug to bury the tens of people Ben killed with the gas leak somewhere in the previous seasons? Furthermore, when Ben shot Locke near the mass grave, I remember that it was dug as if someone had removed some of the bodies. What do you think? I mean a grave is filled to above ground level whereas the mass grave that Locke fell into was more of a trench and you could see some corpses too.

  502. Rita says:

    [quote comment="197673"][quote comment="197672"]Hammer, Here was my reply to 471;

    Since the cat is both dead and alive it is also at every stage in between at the same time. This means the whispers might be the “cat” too.[/quote]
    Right on. I am thinking that the “observer” is the real world. Once the island(box) is exposed, then the dead folks(whisperers(cat)) will pass to wherever and no longer be part of the island(and possibly the security system).

    Am I picking up what you are laying down?[/quote]
    I liked the article; it does seem to apply to our island. Makes some sense anyway. Thanks.

  503. Rita says:

    [quote comment="197684"]Ppl … dont you think that the fake victims that Ben put in the wreckage could have come from the mass grave? The grave that was dug to bury the tens of people Ben killed with the gas leak somewhere in the previous seasons? Furthermore, when Ben shot Locke near the mass grave, I remember that it was dug as if someone had removed some of the bodies. What do you think? I mean a grave is filled to above ground level whereas the mass grave that Locke fell into was more of a trench and you could see some corpses too.[/quote]
    ***********************
    Did they recover the bodies from the “fake crash”? I think if they did, someone somewhere is going to say “hey wait, this isn’t so and so”. Then they check DNA. So either they never recover any bodies (but DID recover the black box???) or else they REALLY ARE THE LOSTIES. Then, either they are the real bodies and the ones on the island are in some kind of consciousness/body travelling/transporting, or they are duplicates (like the #15 rabbit). I know, pretty far out there, but not necessarily untrue for LOST, and not beyond what Ben might be capable of.

  504. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="197695"][quote comment="197684"]Ppl … dont you think that the fake victims that Ben put in the wreckage could have come from the mass grave? The grave that was dug to bury the tens of people Ben killed with the gas leak somewhere in the previous seasons? Furthermore, when Ben shot Locke near the mass grave, I remember that it was dug as if someone had removed some of the bodies. What do you think? I mean a grave is filled to above ground level whereas the mass grave that Locke fell into was more of a trench and you could see some corpses too.[/quote]
    ***********************
    Did they recover the bodies from the “fake crash”? I think if they did, someone somewhere is going to say “hey wait, this isn’t so and so”. Then they check DNA. So either they never recover any bodies (but DID recover the black box???) or else they REALLY ARE THE LOSTIES. Then, either they are the real bodies and the ones on the island are in some kind of consciousness/body travelling/transporting, or they are duplicates (like the #15 rabbit). I know, pretty far out there, but not necessarily untrue for LOST, and not beyond what Ben might be capable of.[/quote]
    I think the story was that they couldn’t recover the bodies because of the location. Anyone know for sure?

  505. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="196537"][quote comment="196330"][quote comment="196315"] Anyway, can someone explain me what the “8” means? As far as I know there are only the Oceanic six. Did it now become 8? thanks.I think Aaron is an O6 now, because I thought we were supposed to know all of the O6 at the end of this episode? If Jin’s tombstone says 9/22, he CAN’T be an O6. Thus Sun is the only one that was revealed in this episode.

    Sun’s FF is taking place in a relatively short time frame from when they get off the island, as she is having the child. IMO Hurley had not gone into the mental institution yet. I think each FF is going in reverse chronological order from the Jack meltdown.
    [/quote]

    Yes, Sun was the only one revealed, which means that Aaron is an O6’r.. Also, the S3 finale with Jack and Kate was the LAST of the flash forwards.. Everything is working back from that point.[/quote]
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    I agree with you on the point of season 3 being the last of the FF. But I’m not sure about the other FF working backwords. Have they ever said that? They certainly did not do that with the FB, why would they do that with the FF?
    I didn’t realize in Hurley’s FF they stated exactly how long he had been home for. If it was a year, why would it take charlie so long to appear to him?

  506. leah says:

    ..not many mysteries in this episode .cant imagine what could account for five hundred posts! all seemed straight forward .a few questions answered.
    THE Bodies on the plane in the sea are Gassed dharma members. some in the pit ,some in the plane.they d be no need to post mortum the underwater bodies by the authorities cos all passengers died. so the issue of identification would not arise.It would be classed as a mass grave,i think that only the black box would be recovered, which could have been recovered from the island. By the way ,used the control +f thingy. couldnt find any mention of this subject.

  507. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="197650"][quote comment="197011"][quote comment="196825"][quote comment="196824"]6. I REALLY HOPE THEY PLAY THE BLACK BOX FOR US!!!

    What do you think windomer had to do to get that black box. And what box wa s it. the one from the first crash or the fake crash?[/quote]
    I don’t know, but I would really like to![/quote]

    if you watch the sidestory on youtube, with sam: the find815 something something. you would have known that the recovery team found it of the fake crash.

    you can still find it on this blog.[/quote]
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++
    The real black box would have been in the ocean where the tailies crashed. It at some point, could have ended up in Ben’s possesion. The Tailies didn’t stay on the beach very long. And if it was Ben’s plan (HE ALWAYS HAS A PLAN) to set up a fake plane crash, I’m sure he would have retrieved the original black box.
    Who is to say that the original black box didn’t end up in the fake wreckage?

    On that find815.com do they ever say who own’s the freighter that the salvage crew is working for?[/quote]

    I think we are too quick to assume that Ben is the one behind the fake wreckage. I think that note ( that look’s like it was written by a kid) was as not just for Desmond and Sayid, but also for us as the viewer to “not trust the captain” and anything he had to say. He was really to eager to reveal things.
    Also, I know he might be able to, but does Walt really know morse code?

  508. leah says:

    [quote comment="197681"][quote comment="197678"]hi just watched lost , sunday night sitting. read most of the posts prior to watcing the episode . give or take a couple. one question i cant find an answer to.
    1. whats the cat thing all about? in the posts[/quote]
    Back in post 464 Circus Mom has a link to the article we were referring to.[/quote]
    read 464 ….no clearer?

  509. leah says:

    [quote comment="197720"][quote comment="197681"][quote comment="197678"]hi just watched lost , sunday night sitting. read most of the posts prior to watcing the episode . give or take a couple. one question i cant find an answer to.
    1. whats the cat thing all about? in the posts[/quote]
    Back in post 464 Circus Mom has a link to the article we were referring to.[/quote]
    read 464 ….no clearer?[/quote]
    Hammer, read it! phewwww!bit heavy

  510. intolost says:

    Okay, sure, Ben gets the bodies from the mass grave. Now, where’d he get the plane, and how’d he get it in the ocean after he filled it with the bodies?

  511. circusdork says:

    [quote comment="197673"][quote comment="197672"]Hammer, Here was my reply to 471;

    Since the cat is both dead and alive it is also at every stage in between at the same time. This means the whispers might be the “cat” too.[/quote]
    Right on. I am thinking that the “observer” is the real world. Once the island(box) is exposed, then the dead folks(whisperers(cat)) will pass to wherever and no longer be part of the island(and possibly the security system).

    Am I picking up what you are laying down?[/quote]
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    the cat is charlie AND boone, the box is the island and the observer is the people off the island. ben doesnt want the box to open.remember in his flashback when he first ran into the native to the island the guy asked him if his mom died on the island the box opened when darma came the box opened when the plane crashed. and remember from the site it says something about the toxic in the box, well the two people from the boat stoped the gas in the room to stop ben using it

    just a thought

  512. RAY says:

    I just found a link to the books referred to on the show. Thought you might be interested.

    http://www.amazon.com/My-quot-Lost-Book-Club/lm/ROJO2OUKSRBEL

  513. Lostie says:

    why would michael sabotage the ship’s telecommunications,etc.? that would only be for ben, not to save the survivors. I actually think i trust the captain more than michael. the captain’s story makes more sense than michael’s.

  514. leah says:

    Remember Sun’s doctor, how nervous he was when he lied and told Sun that SHE was sterile, so as to not upset Jin (who worked for Mr. Paik and might be volatile)? I don’t believe this doctor would ever go to a conference and be away if he was expecting the daughter of Mr. Paik to deliver soon.

    was it not jin who was sterile in the end?
    And didnt the delivery room doctor or the hopital entrance nurse call sun by her maiden name? Or have i taken too many lima beans??

  515. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="197746"][quote comment="197673"][quote comment="197672"]Hammer, Here was my reply to 471;

    Since the cat is both dead and alive it is also at every stage in between at the same time. This means the whispers might be the “cat” too.[/quote]
    Right on. I am thinking that the “observer” is the real world. Once the island(box) is exposed, then the dead folks(whisperers(cat)) will pass to wherever and no longer be part of the island(and possibly the security system).

    Am I picking up what you are laying down?[/quote]
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    the cat is charlie AND boone, the box is the island and the observer is the people off the island. ben doesnt want the box to open.remember in his flashback when he first ran into the native to the island the guy asked him if his mom died on the island the box opened when darma came the box opened when the plane crashed. and remember from the site it says something about the toxic in the box, well the two people from the boat stoped the gas in the room to stop ben using it

    just a thought[/quote]
    ++++++++++++++
    i’m not sure what was harder to understand….the stupid cat THEORY or circus dorks’ reply. Dude, mix in some punctuations.

    I guess the Garfield theory is a better theory than the time loop theory from last week. IMO it semms to be more of what the show is after. While the time loop thoery, was really well thought out, but consisted of way too much time travel. I don’t think they wanted Mcfly, Doc Brown, and Bif to run into Desmond on his way to saving the world

  516. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="197756"]why would michael sabotage the ship’s telecommunications,etc.? that would only be for ben, not to save the survivors. I actually think i trust the captain more than michael. the captain’s story makes more sense than michael’s.[/quote]
    Michael sabotaged the communications? I guess I missed that part when I watched the show both times

  517. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="197769"][quote comment="197756"]why would michael sabotage the ship’s telecommunications,etc.? that would only be for ben, not to save the survivors. I actually think i trust the captain more than michael. the captain’s story makes more sense than michael’s.[/quote]
    Michael sabotaged the communications? I guess I missed that part when I watched the show both times[/quote]
    We don’t know who sabatoged the communications. It is assumed that if Michael is Bens man that he did it.

  518. leah says:

    i am havin a problem accessing any posts prior to this one ,so im not able to read any replies!
    here s my thoughts on the plot so far ,just my opinion .
    widmore and ben planned the faking of the crash
    ,widmore doesnt know where the island is exactly .
    widmore offers a reward for finding and catching ben because they ve had a dispute over something.3million.
    . he also funds the freighter,whose captains prime objective is to find the island or the plane.
    ,
    charlotte and dans objective is to disarm the gas machine so ben cant use it in the PASTto gas the dhama so he cant provide the bodies for the fake crash
    .miles says to ben he wont turn him over to widmore if he gives him 3.2 m making .2 m on the deal.

    If you had access to the future perhaps you would go back and change things to your advantage .
    i think some losties lives are working their way back from the future to the present day and some are working their way forwards
    . they have all met in the middle[the island]i know its confusing . in my mind its all clear but i cant get written down properly .does any one else feel this way ,like the answers are right in front of you ?but you just cant put your finger on it.
    i know this post sounds crazy ,but ya got to be crazt to be this involved in a tv program eh?

  519. Rita says:

    [quote comment="197714"]..not many mysteries in this episode .cant imagine what could account for five hundred posts! all seemed straight forward .a few questions answered.
    THE Bodies on the plane in the sea are Gassed dharma members. some in the pit ,some in the plane.they d be no need to post mortum the underwater bodies by the authorities cos all passengers died. so the issue of identification would not arise.It would be classed as a mass grave,i think that only the black box would be recovered, which could have been recovered from the island. By the way ,used the control +f thingy. couldnt find any mention of this subject.[/quote]
    The bodies on the “fake plane” couldn’t be the gassed Dharma people. They would be way too decomposed (like the people in the pit) and the people on the plane footage seen during Franks “FF/FB” were bloated but not decomposed, ie not there very long yet. Agreed that no post mortum/cause of death would be necessary under the circumstances, but everyone would want to know why the plane crashed and all the people died. Yes, the site could be designated as a mass grave with a “do not disturb” sign hung on it, but my original post wondering about the black box (and wanting to hear it) was because I want to know what story it would tell. Either it is the real black box and would tell what happened to the plane (and the losties) or it is the lie-story and wouldn’t that be interesting to hear what the “world” is being told?

  520. Circus Mom says:

    If there is anything to the Schrodingers Cat theory than it could tie in to Eco’s death in a way. He resolved the main issue in his life, wether he was good or bad. When he realized that he hadn’t done anything wrong he in effect “looked at himself” and the smoke monster killed him.

    Someone posted that they beleive that Jin also dies because he resolved a major issue in his life. Boone died when he resolved his issue with Shannon. Each of these deaths was after the charactor took a long look at themselves.

    The theory states that the cat is both alive and dead until the observer looks at it.

  521. Rita says:

    [quote comment="197777"][quote comment="197769"][quote comment="197756"]why would michael sabotage the ship’s telecommunications,etc.? that would only be for ben, not to save the survivors. I actually think i trust the captain more than michael. the captain’s story makes more sense than michael’s.[/quote]
    Michael sabotaged the communications? I guess I missed that part when I watched the show both times[/quote]
    We don’t know who sabatoged the communications. It is assumed that if Michael is Bens man that he did it.[/quote]
    I still feel it is too early to assume that Michael is the MOB. Could be a diversion and the real MOB will be revealed next episode. Walt maybe?

  522. skweez says:

    Anyway, can someone explain me what the “8” means? As far as I know there are only the Oceanic six. Did it now become 8? thanks.I think Aaron is an O6 now, because I thought we were supposed to know all of the O6 at the end of this episode? If Jin’s tombstone says 9/22, he CAN’T be an O6. Thus Sun is the only one that was revealed in this episode.

    Sun’s FF is taking place in a relatively short time frame from when they get off the island, as she is having the child. IMO Hurley had not gone into the mental institution yet. I think each FF is going in reverse chronological order from the Jack meltdown.
    [/quote]

    Yes, Sun was the only one revealed, which means that Aaron is an O6’r.. Also, the S3 finale with Jack and Kate was the LAST of the flash forwards.. Everything is working back from that point.[/quote]
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    I agree with you on the point of season 3 being the last of the FF. But I’m not sure about the other FF working backwords. Have they ever said that? They certainly did not do that with the FB, why would they do that with the FF?
    I didn’t realize in Hurley’s FF they stated exactly how long he had been home for. If it was a year, why would it take charlie so long to appear to him?[/quote][quote comment="197712"][quote comment="196537"][quote comment="196330"][quote comment="196315"]

    Ooops… I meant to say, Everything is working up to that point…

  523. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="197783"][quote comment="197777"][quote comment="197769"][quote comment="197756"]why would michael sabotage the ship’s telecommunications,etc.? that would only be for ben, not to save the survivors. I actually think i trust the captain more than michael. the captain’s story makes more sense than michael’s.[/quote]
    Michael sabotaged the communications? I guess I missed that part when I watched the show both times[/quote]
    We don’t know who sabatoged the communications. It is assumed that if Michael is Bens man that he did it.[/quote]
    I still feel it is too early to assume that Michael is the MOB. Could be a diversion and the real MOB will be revealed next episode. Walt maybe?[/quote]
    ++++++++++++++++++++++=
    I couldn’t agree with you more. Both people, Minkowski and Regina, involved with talking to people on the island, have died. Maybe the next person, or even Regina, who was supposed to contact the tots on the island next, said “screw this” and destroyed the comms.

  524. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="197729"]Back in post 464 Circus Mom has a link to the article we were referring to.[/quote]
    read 464 ….no clearer?[/quote]
    Hammer, read it! phewwww!bit heavy[/quote]
    Just to be clear, Circus Mom introduced this theory to this blog. So she gets credit for any accuracy it may have. I am intrigued by it because I can interject the whisperers to it and as you all know, I’m hung up on those volume deficient folks.

  525. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="197782"]If there is anything to the Schrodingers Cat theory than it could tie in to Eco’s death in a way. He resolved the main issue in his life, wether he was good or bad. When he realized that he hadn’t done anything wrong he in effect “looked at himself” and the smoke monster killed him.

    Someone posted that they beleive that Jin also dies because he resolved a major issue in his life. Boone died when he resolved his issue with Shannon. Each of these deaths was after the charactor took a long look at themselves.

    The theory states that the cat is both alive and dead until the observer looks at it.[/quote]
    I think that it would apply better to an outside observer. I don’t think that Eko is alive and dead until he “observes” himself. I think that the Eko, Boone, Jin(if he’s dead) deaths are more about redemption. I think the theory would more apply to the island being the box and the “alive and dead” folks(whisperers) are waiting to be observed to be ONLY dead.

  526. EL says:

    Maybe Desmond, Sayid, Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sun, Jin, Claire and Aaron are on the freighter when Penny’s boat shows up. A fight ensues and they all get a chance to get away on Penny’s boat. Claire and Jin are victims of the fight and their bodies are taken with the 06ers to be buried. Desmond leaves with Penny(He’s not mentioned yet in the FF as an 06er because he wasn’t on a manifest) and goes into hiding. When Ben asks Sayid if he wants ‘them’ to get away with what they did, he’s refering to Jin and Claire dying in the fight. Jack is distraught because they didn’t have a chance to rescue everyone else still on the island. But if everyone else is still alive on the island, why can’t Sayid get Ben to rescue them, since Ben was previously known to go back and forth from the island to the real world? This show is sooo intense!!:)

  527. jake says:

    How many did the captain say were in the crash? 314 bodies of 316?
    There were 324 on the original flight…

  528. DocH says:

    [quote comment="197840"]
    Maybe Desmond, Sayid, Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sun, Jin, Claire and Aaron are on the freighter… [/quote]
    I like the concept – now add Ben, Sawyer, Michael, Walt, Juliet and Locke to “on the freighter” and see what theory flows. Seriously… account for that scenario.

    Des, Ben, Juliet = 3 not on OA815.

    Sayid, Jack, Hurley, Kate & Sun = 5 on OA815 and confirmed OA sixer.

    Jin, Locke, Walt, Michael, Aaron, Sawyer = On OA815 and not confirmed as OA6 or OA8. These 6 should fill the ranks of the;
    1 x living/remaining OA sixer,
    2 x dead/yet unidentified OA eight,
    ? x seen in FF, or off-island

    Ben, Michael, Aaron = off-island & not OA6/8.
    Walt = assumed off-island as he left w/ dad.
    Jin = potential OA8 deadie.
    Claire = probable OA8 deadie, as the ‘vision’ saw her leaving in a helo, yet Kate has Aaron.

  529. PJSander says:

    ACK!

    I just found out that there is no Enhanced episode at 8pm on Thursday.

    Then I had hope that the episodes they show during the “break” will be enhanced, but the episode on the 27th is a repeat of the first episode of the season (according to tvguide online), but it does not mention enhanced.

  530. PJSander says:

    ACK!

    I just found out that there is no Enhanced episode at 8pm on Thursday.

    Then I had hope that the episodes they show during the “break” will be enhanced, but the episode on the 27th is a repeat of the first episode of the season (according to tvguide online), but it does not mention enhanced.

    … breathing slowly
    … trying not to panic

    ACK!

    : ) P

  531. Megalost says:

    Hammer, interesting discussion about this mysterious article. I can’t seem to get on the site!!? What is the gist or basic idea of it. How can they write this show?! And how can they possibly answer everything and tie it all together. There are mythological, biblical, historical, references and innuendoes everywhere even with the names themselves!.. I was thinking about that watching “The Other Woman” GOODwin StanHOPE….u know? Such a TRIP! I become more MEGALOST every minute.

  532. Rita says:

    [quote comment="197865"]ACK!

    I just found out that there is no Enhanced episode at 8pm on Thursday.

    Then I had hope that the episodes they show during the “break” will be enhanced, but the episode on the 27th is a repeat of the first episode of the season (according to tvguide online), but it does not mention enhanced.

    … breathing slowly
    … trying not to panic

    ACK!

    : ) P[/quote]
    How many weeks will they be off on “break”? Will they show re-runs on the off weeks? Will we get ANYTHING?????? Will you all still be here blogging??

    Me too…………trying not to panic, failing, failing,………….ACK!!!!!!!!!!!

  533. Liesa says:

    I’ve tried to post this before but had no luck from home. ( So now trying this at school) I don’t think anyone has proposed that the plane is not a fake, not expensively planted, but is the result of Desmond not pushing the button when the flight went over the island. At that moment the plane becomes two planes ( the electomagnetic radiation at work, like the two rabbits in the Dharma training film). One plane crashes on the island, the other ( complete with duplicates of all the people on board) is transported to the abyss. Why else would be shown the polar bear transported to the desert and the duplication of the rabbit? And Minkowski’s name ( the real Minkowski worked out the math for time as a fourth dimension). I think all these are clues to the plane.
    On Jin being alive or dead. Could he not also be time traveling, like Desmond? His body is on the island, his consciousness is back in Korea.

  534. OmegaMan888 says:

    Okay okay… the O6
    Jack
    Kate
    Hurley
    Sayid
    Michael
    Walt
    We already know that Walt and Michael have left the island (may even be back with the freighter) however, since they left the island… the would be part of the O6

    from this new show we know that Sun is one of the six, but everyone seems to for that who the six person is…………..it’s Aaron, the baby

  535. RGS says:

    [quote comment="197712"][quote comment="196537"][quote comment="196330"][quote comment="196315"]
    [/quote]

    But I’m not sure about the other FF working backwords. Have they ever said that? They certainly did not do that with the FB, why would they do that with the FF?
    I didn’t realize in Hurley’s FF they stated exactly how long he had been home for. If it was a year, why would it take charlie so long to appear to him?[/quote]
    ^^^^^^
    Though they have not said it, I think if you soley view each FF it would appear to be going in reverse chrono order. The desire to return to the island has been shown from insistent, to non-existent. I also think it is not a big deal if they are or not but to answer your question with a question, why would they not? The apex of the FF is the Jack Meltdown, and they probably can’t show FF of anything after that as it will get into serious attempts to get back to the island.

    They do not state how long Hurley had been back b4 seeing Charlie. IMO a year wouldn’t be too long, but at the same time I’m not thinking that a year had passed when he has his C-visions. I do not think it will be readily apparent for them to return to the island when they leave therefore, there may not be an urgent need for Charlie to appear.

  536. deangoodes says:

    Liesa, comment 533: One hole in that theory is that the helicopter pilot Frank Lapidus saw the wreckage on TV and said that was not the pilot from OA815, so we are led to believe the dead bodies of the alternate 815 are staged/fake.

  537. RGS says:

    [quote comment="197718"][quote comment="197650"][quote comment="197011"][quote comment="196825"][quote comment="196824"] I think we are too quick to assume that Ben is the one behind the fake wreckage. I think that note ( that look’s like it was written by a kid) was as not just for Desmond and Sayid, but also for us as the viewer to “not trust the captain” and anything he had to say. He was really to eager to reveal things.
    Also, I know he might be able to, but does Walt really know morse code?[/quote]

    Though I think Ben and his forces is behind the fake wreckage, I agree with you that it is too early to assume. I am actually leaning toward trusting the capt., but I am definitely cautious with it.

    I am very confident that the noises Sayid and Des heard were not morse code, as Sayid is a communications expert and would have picked up on it in his sleep. I disagree that the note looks like it was written by a kid.

    I don’t think Walt can be on the ship, as Michael would not be going through with his fake id. There has to be some kind of pressure for Mike to want to return to the island, and the only thing I can think of is Walt in distress or appearing in distress. Moreover, I most especially do not think they would take on a 10 year old child.

  538. dukewm says:

    2. Sun seemed to believe something was wrong, rather than that she was in labor. I have 3 kids so I KNOW how labor feels, and I knew I was in labor, not that something was wrong. Therefore, I believe that this took place VERY SOON after the “homecoming” and that she wasn’t actually due yet. She had a full term baby in half (or so) the gestation time. My theory: Once leaving the island, the baby grew REALLY FAST, just like Aaron did (who now looks like a toddler rather than an infant), in order to reconcile on/off island time. This could also explain why Sun’s doctor was away; he wasn’t expecting Sun to deliver that soon either, or he wouldn’t have been away. (And speaking of Aaron, it would also be why Kate won’t let anyone see him and have to explain the freaky growth thing).

    Rita: I believe YOU have put some puzzle pieces together here, i.e. the accelerated growth of Aaron and Ji Yeon.

    Somebody suggested Ji Yeon was born in June (I don’t remember seeing any proof that was the case), but I agree that Ji was “full term” in weight/length/appearance DESPITE being delivered in LESS than 9 months. She was conceived “on Island” and therefore would have died in middle of second trimester IF she had not escaped the Islands’ influence. Sun is the case study of what happens in that situation. The babys’ development ACCELERATES once the mother-to-be leaves the Island.

    Furthermore, it also happened to Aaron (assuming Aaron is Claires’ Aaron) and he now appears to be 2-1/2 to 3 years old but could ACTUALLY be much younger. We don’t yet know the date of Kates’ trial (it could be only a few months after “making it home”).

    Therefore: the reason pregnant women who conceive “on Island” die in “mid-term” is because the mothers’ uterus takes a VERY long time to develop a “full term” baby while “on Island” (remember the 26 year old mother-to-be that Jules remarked had the womb of a 70 year old). The womb ages much faster than the fetus for Island “visitors” who become pregnant “on Island”. “Visitors” who then return to the “real world” while pregnant REVERSE the aging process back to normal for the mother-to-be, but the baby then ACCELERATES its growth rate.

    To carry your theory even further, perhaps Richard Alpert ONLY ages when he is “off Island” and he has spent many,many years “on Island”.
    Also, we have seen that relatively short term “reveals” (Faradays’ rocket experiment and the Helo shuttle to the freighter lasting overnight) seem to indicate a DEFINITE “time-warp” phenomenon.

    If all this proves to be true, Jack would not want to see Aaron because he is a “Man of Science” and would find it hard to believe and he would have known about Suns’ “premature” delivery through Hurley. It is also one GOOD REASON he is trying to convince Kate they “have to go back”, that is to save Aaron from dying by the time he turns 20 (or so).

    Can anybody dispute any of that ?
    After all, this IS science FICTION!

    I like Rita’s “thoughts” on that.

    The Black Box:
    It’s obviously the one the Freighter Tots salvaged from the “815” underwater wreckage (Widmore’s “planted” jetliner lying in the abyss).
    Capt. Gault (or whatever he said his name was) told Sayid the Widmore “backing” of the expedition and mentioned how influential all his money must be to “plant” a fake plane crash. I’ll assume (for now) he was telling the truth.

    And I repeat:
    Widmore wants to exploit the Island for the monetary ATTRACTION it could become with “Disney World”-like development of a “circus” nature. i.e. “come see the miraculous properties of this wonderful Island”. Remember Ben saying to Locke, “imagine how many people would come to see a man in a wheelchair who fell out of a plane and walked away” (paraphrased).

    What we don’t know (yet) is HOW Widmore found out about the “healing” of Locke and Rose.

    It’s Ben vs. Widmore, not with him!
    Widmores’ people are on Sayids’ hit list!

  539. dukewm says:

    Paragraph 2. in my post #538 above is credited to Rita (#332).

    I deleted some of #332 to save some repetition, which apparently doesn’t go into “shadow” and credit the original post.

  540. RGS says:

    [quote comment="197792"][quote comment="197783"][quote comment="197777"][quote comment="197769"][quote comment="197756"]why would michael sabotage the ship’s telecommunications,etc.? that would only be for ben, not to save the survivors. I actually think i trust the captain more than michael. the captain’s story makes more sense than michael’s.[/quote]
    Michael sabotaged the communications? I guess I missed that part when I watched the show both times[/quote]
    We don’t know who sabatoged the communications. It is assumed that if Michael is Bens man that he did it.[/quote]
    I still feel it is too early to assume that Michael is the MOB. Could be a diversion and the real MOB will be revealed next episode. Walt maybe?[/quote]
    ++++++++++++++++++++++=
    I couldn’t agree with you more. Both people, Minkowski and Regina, involved with talking to people on the island, have died. Maybe the next person, or even Regina, who was supposed to contact the tots on the island next, said “screw this” and destroyed the comms.[/quote]

    Though it has not been revealed, the reason why I think Mike sabotaged the communications, as well as the engines is because Ben’s plan is for all those on board the freightor to die. Ship’s comm. would only be used to contact the mainland, Widmore, or more reinforcements. With them just in no man’s land, he knows it’s just a matter of time before they run out of food or go crazy.

  541. Rita says:

    [quote comment="197980"]Paragraph 2. in my post #538 above is credited to Rita (#332).

    I deleted some of #332 to save some repetition, which apparently doesn’t go into “shadow” and credit the original post.[/quote]
    Thank you Dukewm! I agree about Richard Alpert, and it would also explain Walt’s unusual growth as well. As for the black box, if it is a fake, it could be proven by hearing it. I would still like to, though I suppose whomever set it up could have recorded a fake flight 815 to complete the picture.

  542. PJSander says:

    Renata wrote: But I’m not sure about the other FF working backwords. Have they ever said that? They certainly did not do that with the FB, why would they do that with the FF?

    In a podcast, D&C answered a question about the chronology of the FF. I believe they said that WITHIN an episode the FF happen in chronological order, but that from episode to episode, there was no correlation.

    For example, all of Sun’s FF happened in the order we saw them, and all of Hurley’s FF happened in the order we saw them, but we do not know when Hurley’s happened in RELATION to Sun’s.

    Hope that makes sense.

    : ) P

  543. RGS says:

    [quote comment="197979"](And speaking of Aaron, it would also be why Kate won’t let anyone see him and have to explain the freaky growth thing).

    To carry your theory even further, perhaps Richard Alpert ONLY ages when he is “off Island” and he has spent many,many years “on Island”.
    It is also one GOOD REASON he is trying to convince Kate they “have to go back”, that is to save Aaron from dying by the time he turns 20 (or so).

    Can anybody dispute any of that ?
    After all, this IS science FICTION!

    Widmore wants to exploit the Island for the monetary ATTRACTION it could become with “Disney World”-like development of a “circus” nature. i.e. “come see the miraculous properties of this wonderful Island”. Remember Ben saying to Locke, “imagine how many people would come to see a man in a wheelchair who fell out of a plane and walked away” (paraphrased).[/quote]
    ^^^^^^^^
    Ok here’s my attempt to dispute some of your post. (Got nothing better to do at work right now).

    1) Though I can definitely see the accelerated growth rate theory, I don’t think Kate does not want anyone to view Aaron. She just didn’t want him exposed to the circus of her trial.
    2) I don’t know that Aaron’s life is in danger (but I can’t dispute that theory) so I would add that whatever the main reason to return to the island, it will include all of the O6 and any extra Team Losties that make it back (Des for instance).
    3) I don’t think Widmore wants to make the island a Disney World attraction. That just doesn’t seem like a big enough goal. Whatever the powers of the island are, he is aware of it (black rock journal, possible relatives passing the story down generation to generation). He wants the island probably to find out the secrets of the healing properties, never aging, and all the weird stuff that comprises the island…and then exploit it!

  544. Michael says:

    [quote comment="197954"]I’ve tried to post this before but had no luck from home. ( So now trying this at school) I don’t think anyone has proposed that the plane is not a fake, not expensively planted, but is the result of Desmond not pushing the button when the flight went over the island. At that moment the plane becomes two planes ( the electomagnetic radiation at work, like the two rabbits in the Dharma training film). One plane crashes on the island, the other ( complete with duplicates of all the people on board) is transported to the abyss. Why else would be shown the polar bear transported to the desert and the duplication of the rabbit? And Minkowski’s name ( the real Minkowski worked out the math for time as a fourth dimension). I think all these are clues to the plane.
    On Jin being alive or dead. Could he not also be time traveling, like Desmond? His body is on the island, his consciousness is back in Korea.[/quote]

    I like that theory on the plain. So was the plain ging to crash no matter what or did the EMP have something to do with that?

  545. RGS says:

    [quote comment="197333"]I’m still wondering why Charlotte hasn’t radioed the freighter and told them that Ben claims to have a man on their ship. Does anyone else have any insight on this?[/quote]

    The capt. did say he had a saboteur on board. Also when Sun confronts Daniel he’s fixing a phone or trying to fix something like one. Maybe they stopped answering calls altogether (Regina was in a crazy state of mind).

  546. RGS says:

    [quote comment="196861"][quote comment="196833"][quote comment="196826"]Yeah. So by that line of thought all the main character were orchestrated on the plane?[/quote]
    I’ve always thought that, the big contradiction is that Des accidentally brought the plane down. So it’s hard to keep on with it, but I have a hard time letting go because why else would Jack and Clair both end up on the plane? Why else would “special folks” like Locke and Walt end up on the plane? Why else would Sawyer end up on the plane with the son of the real Sawyer (Locke again). Why would Sayid end up on the island that Kelvin was on(remember they met on mission in the military)? Even Rose was told by the faith healer that she could be healed if she went to the right place…boom on the island. Just seems like a big set up now that we know these two powerful sides seem to be able to set up anything…[/quote]

    Desmond does kinda put a kink in that theory. Well there is the other computer in the other room that has all TV’s. And although Desmond was late putting the code in, he did do it. He typed it allot. I always just assumed he was typing in the wrong code but, ….What if some one else was blocking him from the other computer.[/quote]

    Just a random thought I had, because I don’t want to believe Ben knew the plane would crash, but at the same time, upon viewing the crash in the air, he started sending Goodwin and Ethan on their way assuming there would be survivors. I mean a plane breaking apart in mid air, and him having a very good idea of where the parts would land AND folks being alive? That is a huge coinkydink.

  547. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="197982"][quote comment="197792"][quote comment="197783"][quote comment="197777"][quote comment="197769"][quote comment="197756"]why would michael sabotage the ship’s telecommunications,etc.? that would only be for ben, not to save the survivors. I actually think i trust the captain more than michael. the captain’s story makes more sense than michael’s.[/quote]
    Michael sabotaged the communications? I guess I missed that part when I watched the show both times[/quote]
    We don’t know who sabatoged the communications. It is assumed that if Michael is Bens man that he did it.[/quote]
    I still feel it is too early to assume that Michael is the MOB. Could be a diversion and the real MOB will be revealed next episode. Walt maybe?[/quote]
    ++++++++++++++++++++++=
    I couldn’t agree with you more. Both people, Minkowski and Regina, involved with talking to people on the island, have died. Maybe the next person, or even Regina, who was supposed to contact the tots on the island next, said “screw this” and destroyed the comms.[/quote]

    Though it has not been revealed, the reason why I think Mike sabotaged the communications, as well as the engines is because Ben’s plan is for all those on board the freightor to die. Ship’s comm. would only be used to contact the mainland, Widmore, or more reinforcements. With them just in no man’s land, he knows it’s just a matter of time before they run out of food or go crazy.[/quote]
    ++++++++++++++++
    After watching the preveiw again I have concluded that Michael is absolutely Ben’s man on the boat. After this week we will be able to put that to rest. TG.
    RGS-agree with you about Ben wanting to kill everyone on the boat, and as we see in the future, he wants to kill everyone involved in with the ECONOMIST. They are running out of food, they are down to LIMA BEANS….see #482.

  548. lost4ever says:

    PJ Sander wrote–For example, all of Sun’s FF happened in the order we saw them, and all of Hurley’s FF happened in the order we saw them, but we do not know when Hurley’s happened in RELATION to Sun’s.

    That’s the way I understood it as also. We don’t know if Sun’s was b4 Hurley’s or after. If Sun’s was after, maybe Hurley wanted to visit it Sun alone and ask her about “visions” of Jin.

  549. Chazza says:

    Weird people in The Uk (me) Get another episode next weekend on the sunday at 9pm, So if you live in America check Sunday 9pm And see if its on then. The directors might of though of it as a good idea to have it at the same time.

  550. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="197977"][quote comment="197718"][quote comment="197650"][quote comment="197011"][quote comment="196825"][quote comment="196824"] I think we are too quick to assume that Ben is the one behind the fake wreckage. I think that note ( that look’s like it was written by a kid) was as not just for Desmond and Sayid, but also for us as the viewer to “not trust the captain” and anything he had to say. He was really to eager to reveal things.
    Also, I know he might be able to, but does Walt really know morse code?[/quote]

    Though I think Ben and his forces is behind the fake wreckage, I agree with you that it is too early to assume. I am actually leaning toward trusting the capt., but I am definitely cautious with it.

    I am very confident that the noises Sayid and Des heard were not morse code, as Sayid is a communications expert and would have picked up on it in his sleep. I disagree that the note looks like it was written by a kid.

    I don’t think Walt can be on the ship, as Michael would not be going through with his fake id. There has to be some kind of pressure for Mike to want to return to the island, and the only thing I can think of is Walt in distress or appearing in distress. Moreover, I most especially do not think they would take on a 10 year old child.[/quote]
    +++++++++++++++++
    I agree it wasn’t mores code. if it was it was __ _ _ repeated over and over which is T I T I T I.

    OK, what if Walt is on the ship and he is locked up somewhere. The ships crew keeps killing themselves, like the birds flying into the window and dying. Walt is trying to get attention or to get out. He is having “side effects” and Ben is communicationg through Walt to let Michael know he can help him if Michael will be his spy.

  551. Rita says:

    [quote comment="198095"][quote comment="197977"][quote comment="197718"][quote comment="197650"][quote comment="197011"][quote comment="196825"][quote comment="196824"] I think we are too quick to assume that Ben is the one behind the fake wreckage. I think that note ( that look’s like it was written by a kid) was as not just for Desmond and Sayid, but also for us as the viewer to “not trust the captain” and anything he had to say. He was really to eager to reveal things.
    Also, I know he might be able to, but does Walt really know morse code?[/quote]

    Though I think Ben and his forces is behind the fake wreckage, I agree with you that it is too early to assume. I am actually leaning toward trusting the capt., but I am definitely cautious with it.

    I am very confident that the noises Sayid and Des heard were not morse code, as Sayid is a communications expert and would have picked up on it in his sleep. I disagree that the note looks like it was written by a kid.

    I don’t think Walt can be on the ship, as Michael would not be going through with his fake id. There has to be some kind of pressure for Mike to want to return to the island, and the only thing I can think of is Walt in distress or appearing in distress. Moreover, I most especially do not think they would take on a 10 year old child.[/quote]
    +++++++++++++++++
    I agree it wasn’t mores code. if it was it was __

    _ _

    repeated over and over which is T I T I T I.

    OK, what if Walt is on the ship and he is locked up somewhere. The ships crew keeps killing themselves, like the birds flying into the window and dying. Walt is trying to get attention or to get out. He is having “side effects” and Ben is communicationg through Walt to let Michael know he can help him if Michael will be his spy.[/quote]
    **************
    Yes, Circus Mom! I like this. I was starting a theory like this on the last thread. I too was wondering how they would have been able to escape the island without any side effects. I don’t believe they did. And as always, Ben wouldn’t help without something in return, namely, that Michael would do his dirty work.

  552. lost4ever says:

    Rita–“I too was wondering how they would have been able to escape the island without any side effects.”

    I don’t think that everyone that escapes the island undergoes side effects. We have seen Sayid escape the island without any side effects and Des appears to be normal again. I think it depends on the level of exposure to the radiation. And also the coordinates used to escape.

  553. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="198143"]Rita–“I too was wondering how they would have been able to escape the island without any side effects.”

    I don’t think that everyone that escapes the island undergoes side effects. We have seen Sayid escape the island without any side effects and Des appears to be normal again. I think it depends on the level of exposure to the radiation. And also the coordinates used to escape.[/quote]
    +++++++++
    Exactly why I think it’s Walt causing the suisides. Those with “Side effects” get a nosebleed and die, they don’t kill themselves.

  554. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="197939"][quote comment="197865"]ACK!

    I just found out that there is no Enhanced episode at 8pm on Thursday.

    Then I had hope that the episodes they show during the “break” will be enhanced, but the episode on the 27th is a repeat of the first episode of the season (according to tvguide online), but it does not mention enhanced.

    … breathing slowly
    … trying not to panic

    ACK!

    : ) P[/quote]
    How many weeks will they be off on “break”? Will they show re-runs on the off weeks? Will we get ANYTHING?????? Will you all still be here blogging??

    Me too…………trying not to panic, failing, failing,………….ACK!!!!!!!!!!![/quote]

    I think there is 4 weeks off and then they come back for 5 weeks and end it, until next FEBRUARY….FEBRUARY 2009. Ben Help us all.

  555. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="198145"][quote comment="198143"]Rita–“I too was wondering how they would have been able to escape the island without any side effects.”

    I don’t think that everyone that escapes the island undergoes side effects. We have seen Sayid escape the island without any side effects and Des appears to be normal again. I think it depends on the level of exposure to the radiation. And also the coordinates used to escape.[/quote]
    +++++++++
    Exactly why I think it’s Walt causing the suisides. Those with “Side effects” get a nosebleed and die, they don’t kill themselves.[/quote]
    ++++++++++++++
    I think you should read POST 482 again. And not dismiss the possibility so quickly. I had no idea they were full of cyanide. Walt is NOT on the ship as we will find that out this week.

  556. lost4ever says:

    I don’t think the birds were commiting suicide. I just think that they were just somehow drawn towards Walt. Maybe like EVAN ALMIGHTY. lol

  557. LOST24 says:

    [quote comment="196288"]I think the reason Kate did not come visit Sun was that she is stuck in California for 10 years on probation.

    So sad about Jin. I think it’s possible that he is alive on the island. I agree with whoever said that it sets up the show for a return to the island.

    I still think Aaron is one of the O6.

    I was thinking that the banging on the pipes was Morse code as well.[/quote]
    ______________________________________________________

    Kate was probably not at trail yet, but still can’t come anyway.

    A little off topic, but…Juliet says Sun has three weeks to get off the island. Sun is in her second trimester. So that means her FF is about 3 months ahead from the time she leaves the island. Could it be she gets off the island before anyone else? And Jin dies trying to protect her?

  558. Rita says:

    [quote comment="198149"][quote comment="198145"][quote comment="198143"]Rita–“I too was wondering how they would have been able to escape the island without any side effects.”

    I don’t think that everyone that escapes the island undergoes side effects. We have seen Sayid escape the island without any side effects and Des appears to be normal again. I think it depends on the level of exposure to the radiation. And also the coordinates used to escape.[/quote]
    +++++++++
    Exactly why I think it’s Walt causing the suisides. Those with “Side effects” get a nosebleed and die, they don’t kill themselves.[/quote]
    ++++++++++++++
    I think you should read POST 482 again. And not dismiss the possibility so quickly. I had no idea they were full of cyanide. Walt is NOT on the ship as we will find that out this week.[/quote]
    *****************
    Circus Mom: I’m not sure that they wouldn’t have suffered “side effects”. The ones (Sayeed, et al) who didn’t have them MAY have had them if they were more off course. Maybe Desmond had them with only a small amount of “off courseness” because of his prior radiation exposure, but with enough deviation of course they ALL would. Maybe. In any case, Walt is “special”. We haven’t really explored what that means and Daniel did say that everyone’s side effects would be different. This could therefore still leave Walt causing the suicides somehow as an outcome of his “side effects”.

    Lost4ever: The lima beans connection was a great idea, but I still think they were COOKED beans, processed in a can (just not heated up). That would negate the poison effects I think. Also, how do we know Walt won’t be on the ship this next week? Is that spoiler info, something from an official podcast, or just your theory?

  559. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="198149"][quote comment="198145"][quote comment="198143"]Rita–“I too was wondering how they would have been able to escape the island without any side effects.”

    I don’t think that everyone that escapes the island undergoes side effects. We have seen Sayid escape the island without any side effects and Des appears to be normal again. I think it depends on the level of exposure to the radiation. And also the coordinates used to escape.[/quote]
    +++++++++
    Exactly why I think it’s Walt causing the suisides. Those with “Side effects” get a nosebleed and die, they don’t kill themselves.[/quote]
    ++++++++++++++
    I think you should read POST 482 again. And not dismiss the possibility so quickly. I had no idea they were full of cyanide. Walt is NOT on the ship as we will find that out this week.[/quote]
    ++++++++++++++
    Canned lima beans are not raw, they are packaged pre cooked as all beans are. Uncooked beans are as hard as nutchells after they dry and you would break your teeth trying to chew one. Do you think the FDA would allow poisionous food to be sold without neon warning signs?

  560. Circus Mom says:

    I don’t know if it is a proven fack or not but I think the “side effects” Daniel was talking about would all have to do with time and conciousness travel. Not every strange behaviour that occures. It would be too easy, and not good storytelling, to have everything explained by “side effects.”

  561. LOST24 says:

    [quote comment="196312"][quote comment="196306"]Could we have a simultaneous fast forward for Sun and flashback for Jin just to freak us out? Jin told the Ambassador the panda was from Mr. ???? I forget. From Sun’s dad?

    How’d Hurley get out of the nuthouse to go to Korea?

    Yep, it was Michael. Surprised, but not surprised.

    Whoa!!! Okay, who the heck is Ben really and yes, how the heck did he stage the fake plane crash?[/quote]

    Deffenitly flash fowards for sun and flash backs for Jin.

    Isn’t Hurley in there by his own will. He could leave when ever he wants if he was.[/quote]
    ______________________________________________________

    I think Hurley did bust out of the asylum. Remember this season’s premiere? Hurley got arrested for driving recklessly and shouts out “I’m one of the Oceanic 6!” I’m not how he got to Korea. Time travel? LOL.

  562. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="198161"][quote comment="196312"][quote comment="196306"]Could we have a simultaneous fast forward for Sun and flashback for Jin just to freak us out? Jin told the Ambassador the panda was from Mr. ???? I forget. From Sun’s dad?

    How’d Hurley get out of the nuthouse to go to Korea?

    Yep, it was Michael. Surprised, but not surprised.

    Whoa!!! Okay, who the heck is Ben really and yes, how the heck did he stage the fake plane crash?[/quote]

    Deffenitly flash fowards for sun and flash backs for Jin.

    Isn’t Hurley in there by his own will. He could leave when ever he wants if he was.[/quote]
    ______________________________________________________

    I think Hurley did bust out of the asylum. Remember this season’s premiere? Hurley got arrested for driving recklessly and shouts out “I’m one of the Oceanic 6!” I’m not how he got to Korea. Time travel? LOL.[/quote]
    +++++++++++
    Hurley went to see Sun and Ji before he went into the asylum.
    He is not in the asylum of his own free will. The officer, Anna Lucia’s old partner, who arrested threatened to put him and and Hurley thanked him. He was ordered in but is glad to be there.
    I also think the officer that was questioning Hurley is a friend of Miles and that he suspects that others are still alive on the island, or at least that the O6 story is fabricated.

  563. LOST24 says:

    [quote comment="196330"][quote comment="196315"] Anyway, can someone explain me what the “8” means? As far as I know there are only the Oceanic six. Did it now become 8? thanks.[/quote]

    8 is part of the lie that the Oceanic 6 tell to the public. Some believe it is relevant, some believe it is just a lie and not relevant. Time will tell.

    Without a doubt Jin’s entire part of this episode was a FlashBACK. At the end he says he’d only been married two months. Thus, the year of the dragon has nothing to do with the story IMO. In fact, I don’t even think the store owner said it was the YOTD, but I could be mistaken.

    I believe Mike is def. in the coffin because that’s why Jack was so distraught. He believed Mike could eventually recall how to get back to the island, so he wouldn’t have to keep continuing to do his “hope to crash by fate” trips. It was in a black neighborhood, no one was at the funeral because it was an assumed identity, and hence no one knew who he was.

    I need a screencap of that suicide story again, because I think folks made out a John on it, and thought John Locke, but it could actually have been Johnson.

    I think Regina just went crazy, like a lot of other folks on that freightor. (Brandon, and whoever blew his own head off resulting in the blood stain). That would mean the affects of the island are different for everyone, and not necessarily making one prone to time travel.

    Still not sure if Widmore is bad bcuz if Mike is working for Ben, and he tells them not to trust the Captain…I think it is because he’s being manipulated once again. I hope they didn’t capture Walt again, but I’m thinking they did which is why he was able to appear to Locke on top of the pit.

    I think Jin had to be part of the “O6 story” somehow because he is the father of the child, which I’m sure could be proven through testing.

    I think Aaron is an O6 now, because I thought we were supposed to know all of the O6 at the end of this episode? If Jin’s tombstone says 9/22, he CAN’T be an O6. Thus Sun is the only one that was revealed in this episode.

    Sun’s FF is taking place in a relatively short time frame from when they get off the island, as she is having the child. IMO Hurley had not gone into the mental institution yet. I think each FF is going in reverse chronological order from the Jack meltdown.

    Props to everyone who called Aaron as an O6(if it is right).[/quote]
    ______________________________________________________

    That’s an interesting theory about the order of the FF’s. So if each FF is going progressively more backwards, then we’ll soon see a time when the FF’s and present connect. Cool.

  564. lost4ever says:

    Circus mom–“Do you think the FDA would allow poisionous food to be sold without neon warning signs?

    I am not sure if the widmore’s freighter is AMERICAN. So I don’t know why the FDA would even come into play…they are in the South pacific. Who knows what the food regulations are like in those countries. Secondly here is what I found about canned foods from the National Center for Health.

    “Canned food stored in a warm place near hot pipes, a range, a furnace, or in indirect sunlight may lose some of its eating quality in a few weeks or months, depending on the temperature. Dampness may corrode cans or metal lids and cause leakage so the food will spoil.”

    So who knows? Just like every other theory on this blog.
    Walt is just a guess, “but an HIV positive one”,(cartman fom SP last week, sorry if i offended anyone.)

  565. meathead says:

    Anyone see the sneak peaks on youtube for episode 8? Just do a basic search for Lost and there they are.

  566. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="198179"]Anyone see the sneak peaks on youtube for episode 8? Just do a basic search for Lost and there they are.[/quote]
    no thanks…but please don’t bring those SPOILERS here

  567. Rita says:

    [quote comment="198158"]I don’t know if it is a proven fack or not but I think the “side effects” Daniel was talking about would all have to do with time and conciousness travel. Not every strange behaviour that occures. It would be too easy, and not good storytelling, to have everything explained by “side effects.”[/quote]
    I guess I am assuming that they DID do some consciousness travelling but that we haven’t seen it yet. Or maybe we did, with Walt appearing here and there. Agreed that ALL strange behavior isn’t “side effects” but since Mike and Walt had to travel through the “barrier” (not sure what else to call it), I thought they might.

  568. Rita says:

    [quote comment="198164"][quote comment="198161"][quote comment="196312"][quote comment="196306"]Could we have a simultaneous fast forward for Sun and flashback for Jin just to freak us out? Jin told the Ambassador the panda was from Mr. ???? I forget. From Sun’s dad?

    How’d Hurley get out of the nuthouse to go to Korea?

    Yep, it was Michael. Surprised, but not surprised.

    Whoa!!! Okay, who the heck is Ben really and yes, how the heck did he stage the fake plane crash?[/quote]

    Deffenitly flash fowards for sun and flash backs for Jin.

    Isn’t Hurley in there by his own will. He could leave when ever he wants if he was.[/quote]
    ______________________________________________________

    I think Hurley did bust out of the asylum. Remember this season’s premiere? Hurley got arrested for driving recklessly and shouts out “I’m one of the Oceanic 6!” I’m not how he got to Korea. Time travel? LOL.[/quote]
    +++++++++++
    Hurley went to see Sun and Ji before he went into the asylum.
    He is not in the asylum of his own free will. The officer, Anna Lucia’s old partner, who arrested threatened to put him and and Hurley thanked him. He was ordered in but is glad to be there.
    I also think the officer that was questioning Hurley is a friend of Miles and that he suspects that others are still alive on the island, or at least that the O6 story is fabricated.[/quote]
    ***********************

    Hurley most likely WAS voluntarily committed to the psych hospital. With our mental health laws, it is very difficult to committ someone involuntarily, so if someone WANTS to go, they usually go that route rather than deal with the involuntary route. However, since he was arrested, if he left, he would still have THAT to deal with so most likely still couldn’t have traveled. I suspect that his trip to Korea was BEFORE the FF with him at the hospital.

  569. roses12 says:

    [quote comment="198113"][quote comment="198095"][quote comment="197977"][quote comment="197718"][quote comment="197650"][quote comment="197011"][quote comment="196825"][quote comment="196824"] I think we are too quick to assume that Ben is the one behind the fake wreckage. I think that note ( that look’s like it was written by a kid) was as not just for Desmond and Sayid, but also for us as the viewer to “not trust the captain” and anything he had to say. He was really to eager to reveal things.
    Also, I know he might be able to, but does Walt really know morse code?[/quote]

    Though I think Ben and his forces is behind the fake wreckage, I agree with you that it is too early to assume. I am actually leaning toward trusting the capt., but I am definitely cautious with it.

    I am very confident that the noises Sayid and Des heard were not morse code, as Sayid is a communications expert and would have picked up on it in his sleep. I disagree that the note looks like it was written by a kid.

    I don’t think Walt can be on the ship, as Michael would not be going through with his fake id. There has to be some kind of pressure for Mike to want to return to the island, and the only thing I can think of is Walt in distress or appearing in distress. Moreover, I most especially do not think they would take on a 10 year old child.[/quote]
    +++++++++++++++++
    I agree it wasn’t mores code. if it was it was __

    _ _

    repeated over and over which is T I T I T I.

    OK, what if Walt is on the ship and he is locked up somewhere. The ships crew keeps killing themselves, like the birds flying into the window and dying. Walt is trying to get attention or to get out. He is having “side effects” and Ben is communicationg through Walt to let Michael know he can help him if Michael will be his spy.[/quote]
    **************
    Yes, Circus Mom! I like this. I was starting a theory like this on the last thread. I too was wondering how they would have been able to escape the island without any side effects. I don’t believe they did. And as always, Ben wouldn’t help without something in return, namely, that Michael would do his dirty work.[/quote]

    I could see Walt suffering from the time/travel sickness (although he hasnt been exposed to radiation/strong magnets) and Michael doing anything to save him. But why would Michael believe Ben and only Ben had the cure? Unless Ben held up his end of the bargain and let them travel to safety. Michael then had to find away back to Ben to save Walt from the sickness.

  570. roses12 says:

    omar if you are still around DO NOT use the numbers to do the lottery – look to Hurley ;)

  571. roses12 says:

    I’ve been reading all the posts about the perceived oddness to some of Sun’s birth. Just as everyone deals with death individually so too childbirth. Personally I was all set up for an emergency c-section, gown, consent form, brakes off the bed and out pops baby. As for calling out for your dead husband, I was so tired that reality really blurred for me and I know that you really need those you love around you. So calling for a dead hubsand is conceivable to me. Just because Sun really would have loved to have him there.

  572. Trixanna says:

    Okay, I have wiped the tears from my eyes temporarily. What are we going to do during the break??? Like other posters before me, I am trying not to panic. Not too successful at the moment! And Rita… did you say a break for four weeks, five more episodes, and then not another episode until 2009??? ACK!!!!

    I love reading all the theories! You people are amazingly smart!

    One thing I would like answered this week….
    Where’s Walto? (Picture red and white striped shirt) It would be great to have a few answers before the break so we don’t all go totally off the deep end!

  573. Rita says:

    [quote comment="198216"]Okay, I have wiped the tears from my eyes temporarily. What are we going to do during the break??? Like other posters before me, I am trying not to panic. Not too successful at the moment! And Rita… did you say a break for four weeks, five more episodes, and then not another episode until 2009??? ACK!!!!

    I love reading all the theories! You people are amazingly smart!

    One thing I would like answered this week….
    Where’s Walto? (Picture red and white striped shirt) It would be great to have a few answers before the break so we don’t all go totally off the deep end![/quote]
    That wasn’t me who said it, but someone answered me when I asked (about the break). I guess LAA will need to meet daily, maybe hourly, until they resume episodes.
    I like that “where’s Walto”! Funny. Not sure though that there are enough answers to keep us all from joining Regina!

  574. Trixanna says:

    Yikes!!! I don’t want to join Regina! (Never have been fond of heavy metal necklaces… or sharks). I WANT ANSWERS!!!

  575. leah says:

    there is only room for 6 on the copter or 5 and a pilot or 5 and a baby on a persons knee? why does every one assume jin and clare are dead?they could have given up a place for the more needy or Their foot could have slipped getting on the helecopter under a hail of bullets or something…..???

  576. Aline Massarelli says:

    Amo lost, mas sou obrigada esperar a Globo comprar a série para eu poder assistir, eu não sei falar nada em ingles e muito menos escrever, mas a seríe Lost e uma maravilha, ma eu gostaria logo de poder ver a quarta temporada, vocês ajudariam muito se vocês fisessem um Site em português espero que tenha alguem ai que saiba falar português para poder traduzir meu escrito, resumindo amo muito a seríe todos os personagens e todas hístoria. Parabéns para a pessoa que escreve essa seríe e para todos os ator que atuan muito bem. Amo todos voces…..

  577. DocH says:

    (@576 rough translation – if only Mikhail were were still alive.)

    I love LOST, but I have to wait to buy the series to see it. I do not know how to speak English, much less write it, but LOST is great and I’d like to see the fourth season. With all the great commenters here, I’ll wait to see if somebody knows how to translate my Portuguese writing. Summarizing, I love the series, all the characters and the history. Congratulations to all the LOST writers and all the great actors. I love all the comments…

  578. RGS says:

    OK, what if Walt is on the ship and he is locked up somewhere. The ships crew keeps killing themselves, like the birds flying into the window and dying. Walt is trying to get attention or to get out. He is having “side effects” and Ben is communicationg through Walt to let Michael know he can help him if Michael will be his spy.[/quote]
    ^^^^^^^^^^

    In keeping with going back to my roots and the blocking and tackling approach, I don’t think Walt can be on the ship at all. Mike would be taking a big risk to destroy the ship’s communication, and engines, AND have Walt holed up on a ship with folks going crazy with dwindling food supply of poisonous lima beans. (Ok I don’t think the lima beans are poisonous, because I would think they are cooked).

    In addition, how is Ben communicating with Walt? I would hope that answer involves something separate from the Marvel Comics Universe, because that theory is coming dangerously close to it.

    Even if Walt is held against his will it is still a huge risk for his safety when folks are going as crazy as they have been. Who’s to say one wouldn’t take an ax to Walt’s head?

    For all Mike knows, Ben and co. are a bunch of crackpots. It wouldn’t seem like Ben had not built enough trust in Mike to get him to do his bidding w/o Walt in hand, especially when it appears his bidding is stranding them in the middle of the Ocean, with no communication, or at best, right back on the island.

  579. RGS says:

    I meant Ben had* built

  580. ScariW says:

    ****************
    sector7
    Comment 383, posted 2 days, 19 hours ago – Quote and reply
    I’m still going over Jin’s FB in my mind. Something isn’t right. Didn’t Paik always send him to do bad things? Could it be that something in the future has affected the past and we are seeing something that never happened before the crash? Could this be a FB of a past that is yet to be?

    ********************

    Sector7-
    I think you are on to something. I also subscribe to the idea that Jin had a FB, Sun a FF, but there is a little skeptic in my head telling me that there has got to be a connection between the concept of “Karma,” the panda, the twisting of time and jumping between years, etc. Could Jin have gone back in time to change something so that Sun could have a successsful pregnancy? Perhaps what really went down in 2000 was that Jin did NOT get the Panda to the hospital, so somehow he twisted time to go back, fix his mistake, get the second Panda, etc. (i.e. do something good) so that karma would be good in the future and Sun would have a successful pregnancy? I just think there is more to it than a simple FF/FB, especially when you consider all of the other oddities of the episode (weird gravesite emotions, etc.)

    I am new to this blog and I am absolutely addicted. Great analytical minds here!!!!

  581. Rita says:

    [quote comment="198613"]****************
    sector7
    Comment 383, posted 2 days, 19 hours ago – Quote and reply
    I’m still going over Jin’s FB in my mind. Something isn’t right. Didn’t Paik always send him to do bad things? Could it be that something in the future has affected the past and we are seeing something that never happened before the crash? Could this be a FB of a past that is yet to be?

    ********************

    Sector7-
    I think you are on to something. I also subscribe to the idea that Jin had a FB, Sun a FF, but there is a little skeptic in my head telling me that there has got to be a connection between the concept of “Karma,” the panda, the twisting of time and jumping between years, etc. Could Jin have gone back in time to change something so that Sun could have a successsful pregnancy? Perhaps what really went down in 2000 was that Jin did NOT get the Panda to the hospital, so somehow he twisted time to go back, fix his mistake, get the second Panda, etc. (i.e. do something good) so that karma would be good in the future and Sun would have a successful pregnancy?

    I just think there is more to it than a simple FF/FB, especially when you consider all of the other oddities of the episode (weird gravesite emotions, etc.)

    I am new to this blog and I am absolutely addicted. Great analytical minds here!!!![/quote]
    I’m not sure that the giving of the Panda was really “something good” exactly. I may have been more of a message or bribe to the Chinese ambassador of sorts, kind of a “notice me” message to establish or continue a relationship. I believe it was more of a contrast scene, to show the old Jin against the new Jin. The old Jin followed orders, did whatever it took to please his boss at any cost. The new Jin would ask himself questions first, like “is this the man I want to be?”. As I stated earlier, I believe the whole Sun/Jin thing was a closure scene, a review if you will, to wrap things up for when Jin gets it (killed) while on island. Since the panda thing wasn’t that bad of a thing to do (but was still unquestioningly following orders), it was the beginning of the bad karma for him. While Bernard was talking to him about karma, he was thinking about how it all started for him, the slippery slope toward bad karma if you will.

  582. Rita says:

    [quote comment="198596"]OK, what if Walt is on the ship and he is locked up somewhere. The ships crew keeps killing themselves, like the birds flying into the window and dying. Walt is trying to get attention or to get out. He is having “side effects” and Ben is communicationg through Walt to let Michael know he can help him if Michael will be his spy.[/quote]
    ^^^^^^^^^^

    In keeping with going back to my roots and the blocking and tackling approach, I don’t think Walt can be on the ship at all. Mike would be taking a big risk to destroy the ship’s communication, and engines, AND have Walt holed up on a ship with folks going crazy with dwindling food supply of poisonous lima beans. (Ok I don’t think the lima beans are poisonous, because I would think they are cooked).

    In addition, how is Ben communicating with Walt? I would hope that answer involves something separate from the Marvel Comics Universe, because that theory is coming dangerously close to it.

    Even if Walt is held against his will it is still a huge risk for his safety when folks are going as crazy as they have been. Who’s to say one wouldn’t take an ax to Walt’s head?

    For all Mike knows, Ben and co. are a bunch of crackpots. It wouldn’t seem like Ben had not built enough trust in Mike to get him to do his bidding w/o Walt in hand, especially when it appears his bidding is stranding them in the middle of the Ocean, with no communication, or at best, right back on the island.[/quote]
    ********************

    I understand what you are saying RGS, and it would be the behavior of a normal parent in a normal situation, but maybe this doesn’t qualify as normal? Absolutely a normal parent would never put his child into a risky situation. I don’t know that anything about Walt’s situation is “normal”. He, in his “specialness” may have had a bad experience getting off island, with some kind of side effects, and is freaking out somewhere, and is in need of the kind of help you can’t just go to a doctor and get. Since we have never had an exploration of this “specialness” of Walt’s, he will HAVE to come back in to the story somewhere. Maybe on the freighter, maybe not, but he will have to play back in at some time. If he is on the freighter, I suspect that the tots are afraid of him.

  583. lost4ever says:

    577 DocH–thanks for the translation to 576

    RGS
    I agree with you about Walt not being on the boat. I don’t know why people think that Ben is communicating with anyone on the boat. Michael is, without a doubt, Ben’s man. Ben has already instructed Michael on what needs to be done. Maybe he gave him another list. I think Michael and Walt, made it back to civilization and that’s where Michael joined the freighter after receiving orders from Ben or Richard. We have already seen Michael kill to get his son back, maybe he is there do it again. Or maybe he is on a sucide mission to save his son. Who knows, Walt could very well be back on the island.

  584. lost4ever says:

    Rita – I like your theory about the panda and Jin’s bad karma, but was Jin really that bad of a guy? I don’t remember him killing anyone. I do remember him beating 2 men up, both instead of killing them. I remember him letting a little boy se the restroom in the hotel and then quitting his job over it. I think Sun is the evil 1 of the 2. How many people did she kill? She cheated on Jin then swore to his face that she didn’t. If either of the two deserves bad karma IMO it would be Sun.
    Also I’m not sure if Jin is dead on the island, and I think it is too obvious that he dies this week. Didn’t they say in the promo that someone will die this week? If so, my bet is Kevin Johnson but I don’t think we will see his son MAGIC,aka Walt, this week.

  585. dukewm says:

    RGS (546):
    I’ll bet if you Control-F “coinkydink” you’ll get only 1 result.
    Great Kelly Bundy reference!

    lost4ever (554): (and for all of us in despair who don’t know the episode schedule)
    I though it was 3 more seasons of 16 Eps each.
    So, if Thursday is S4E8 and they go to “break”, WHEN will they air E9 thru E16 ?

    Lost24 (557):
    I don’t believe we know for sure that Sun carried “full term” 9 months before Ji was born. See Rita (332) and my follow up agreement with her “puzzle pieces” (538).
    A LOT can be explained by that!

  586. lost4ever says:

    585 dukewm
    Originally S4 was supposed to be 16. the writers strike ruined that. Here is what’s left for this year, S4E8 thursday, 4 week break, then only 5 more. I have heard they are supposed to make up the 3 missing episodes from this year, in the next two seasons. Which leaves us, after May, only 35 shows left for a series ending date of MAY 2010. 35 out of 104 weeks leaves us loyal veiwers with a lot of time off.

  587. Rita says:

    [quote comment="198674"]585 dukewm
    Originally S4 was supposed to be 16. the writers strike ruined that. Here is what’s left for this year, S4E8 thursday, 4 week break, then only 5 more. I have heard they are supposed to make up the 3 missing episodes from this year, in the next two seasons. Which leaves us, after May, only 35 shows left for a series ending date of MAY 2010. 35 out of 104 weeks leaves us loyal veiwers with a lot of time off.[/quote]
    OH NO!!! What will do???? What will we dooooo!!!!!

  588. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="198680"][quote comment="198674"]585 dukewm
    Originally S4 was supposed to be 16. the writers strike ruined that. Here is what’s left for this year, S4E8 thursday, 4 week break, then only 5 more. I have heard they are supposed to make up the 3 missing episodes from this year, in the next two seasons. Which leaves us, after May, only 35 shows left for a series ending date of MAY 2010. 35 out of 104 weeks leaves us loyal veiwers with a lot of time off.[/quote]
    OH NO!!! What will do???? What will we dooooo!!!!![/quote]
    ++++++++++++++++++
    I think LAA needs to get in some guest speakers. There might be some trekies around willing to help us.

  589. DocH says:

    Tsunami – Wasn’t that the battle cry of a few folks recently? A: Yes. How’d that turn out? All timelines I have read put current island time as a few days past tsunami day, so unless someone wields the “island time differential” ax, I’d say the tsunami is a moot point. (in bovine… “a moo point”).

    Mike & Walt – Mike “may” be Ben’s agent on the boat. If Mike made it to civilization with Walt, while having avoided the Widmore troops, (explaining why we don’t see Mike’s boat hooked to the freighter), perhaps he had Walt taken from him when they ‘slipped’ back into society, under the radar. Mike has always been “Mr. Reluctant, Mr. Unwilling”. To get him to step in to the role of “spy”… you’d really have to strong-arm him in the worst possible way (Walt).

    (Gripe re: Rule #4… when did it become okay to violate the “No spoilers or discussion of episode previews” policy. It seems like every fourth or fifth comment mentions ‘preview’ or ‘promo’ or ‘the commercial for next weeks show’.) §₪

  590. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="198690"]Tsunami – Wasn’t that the battle cry of a few folks recently? A: Yes. How’d that turn out? All timelines I have read put current island time as a few days past tsunami day, so unless someone wields the “island time differential” ax, I’d say the tsunami is a moot point. (in bovine… “a moo point”).

    Mike & Walt – Mike “may” be Ben’s agent on the boat. If Mike made it to civilization with Walt, while having avoided the Widmore troops, (explaining why we don’t see Mike’s boat hooked to the freighter), perhaps he had Walt taken from him when they ‘slipped’ back into society, under the radar. Mike has always been “Mr. Reluctant, Mr. Unwilling”. To get him to step in to the role of “spy”… you’d really have to strong-arm him in the worst possible way (Walt).

    (Gripe re: Rule #4… when did it become okay to violate the “No spoilers or discussion of episode previews” policy. It seems like every fourth or fifth comment mentions ‘preview’ or ‘promo’ or ‘the commercial for next weeks show’.) §₪[/quote]

    I didn’t know watching the preview after the episode aired, when they role the credits, counted as SPOILER material… My apologies

  591. DocH says:

    [quote comment="198692"]
    I didn’t know watching the preview after the episode aired, when they role the credits, counted as SPOILER material… My apologies[/quote]
    I don’t think it counts as SPOILER material.
    I think it counts as DISCUSSION OF EPISODE PREVIEWS material. (2nd half of guideline #4).
    At the top of the page, even the “Official Show Description” gets a “Spoiler Warning”. Each weeks’ episode blog gets posted/published by Will about 8 hours before the show airtime (East Coast). I think (me only) that would be the time to start talking about what was seen in the “Next time on LOST” preview from the prior show.
    My beef is when someone hyper-analyzes (frame-by-frame) the preview at the end of the show, and then uses that to substantiate the theories they profess to know or feel about the show we are currently discussing.
    Again, not the forum police here… it was just a gripe.
    -thnks Lo4er (I read everything you write).

  592. jacob son of god says:

    Crazy as this may sound. Given that the time difference is up the wall and no one knows where we are upto and. Did we meet Micheal for his second stint in the show or is “kevin Johnson” a grown up walt. Bearing in mind that Ben had more time with Walt to get him on his side than he did with Micheal. these may just be the ramblings of a mad man but with these crazy writers who knows whats possible.

  593. Cheetos says:

    When I saw Jin give the panda to the Chinese Ambassador, I was expecting something bad to happen, especially when they showed Jin walking away and saying bye to the nurse. I kinda thought there’d be a bomb or something placed inside the panda, cuz Jin seemed pretty persistent at giving the panda to the ambassador….. but i guess Mr. Paik ordered him to do things in order to improve business relationships too…not just to teach ppl lessons

  594. sector7 says:

    I think it sucks that one of the rules about this blog is that you cannot discuss episode previews. It’s practically impossible not to see the preview for next week when it starts as soon as the previous episode is finished. I can see banning everything else outside of that, but jeez… Are our rules written is stone around here? Is this a dictatorship or what?

  595. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="198743"]I think it sucks that one of the rules about this blog is that you cannot discuss episode previews. It’s practically impossible not to see the preview for next week when it starts as soon as the previous episode is finished. I can see banning everything else outside of that, but jeez… Are our rules written is stone around here? Is this a dictatorship or what?[/quote]

    I agree with you. We all see the preveiw, so what does it matter? I didn’t know we couldn’t talk about it or I wouldn’t have. If anyone says they don’t stick around for the 30 second preveiw, I say they are LIARS.

  596. DocH says:

    I don’t stick around for the 30 second preview.

    (no… my pants are not on fire.)

  597. Cindy says:

    can anyone remember if faraday was crying when he heard about the crash of 815? do you think that was because he knew that he’d be meeting future desmond soon?

  598. Rita says:

    [quote comment="198689"]because i’m a LOSTaholic as well…

    http://www.cafepress.com/shelloniusjunk/5110413%5B/quote%5D

    Hey Great Link!!! I will be visiting there often I think! Thanks for the heads up.
    My name is Rita and I am a LOSTaholic…….

  599. lost4ever says:

    My name is Rita and I am a LOSTaholic…….

    ALL: “HI RITA”

  600. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="198755"]can anyone remember if faraday was crying when he heard about the crash of 815? do you think that was because he knew that he’d be meeting future desmond soon?[/quote]

    He was crying, but IMO, I don’t think it was totally due to the fact he was gonna meet Desmond. I think he had an idea of what the future might hold for him. Which I don’t think we have entirely seen yet.

    DocH – there are always exceptions to rules. Are you even wearing pants?

  601. Michael says:

    [quote comment="197827"][quote comment="197782"]If there is anything to the Schrodingers Cat theory than it could tie in to Eco’s death in a way. He resolved the main issue in his life, wether he was good or bad. When he realized that he hadn’t done anything wrong he in effect “looked at himself” and the smoke monster killed him.

    Someone posted that they beleive that Jin also dies because he resolved a major issue in his life. Boone died when he resolved his issue with Shannon. Each of these deaths was after the charactor took a long look at themselves.

    The theory states that the cat is both alive and dead until the observer looks at it.[/quote]
    I think that it would apply better to an outside observer. I don’t think that Eko is alive and dead until he “observes” himself. I think that the Eko, Boone, Jin(if he’s dead) deaths are more about redemption. I think the theory would more apply to the island being the box and the “alive and dead” folks(whisperers) are waiting to be observed to be ONLY dead.[/quote]

    Like both of those theorys.

  602. Michael says:

    [quote comment="198759"][quote comment="198755"]can anyone remember if faraday was crying when he heard about the crash of 815? do you think that was because he knew that he’d be meeting future desmond soon?[/quote]

    He was crying, but IMO, I don’t think it was totally due to the fact he was gonna meet Desmond. I think he had an idea of what the future might hold for him. Which I don’t think we have entirely seen yet.

    DocH – there are always exceptions to rules. Are you even wearing pants?[/quote]

    He was crying. I think he may have gotten fired or “let go” from the school. He moved in with a relatives and stopped doing his experiments all together. Sees the news. Cries because he knows his works and theory’s are real and relevant. He meets Desmond in 96 and it put all his work on the right path. He then forced to stop. (He makes the comment that some one put Desmond up to talking to him). so years later when he sees the news cast he knows he was right. Maybe, I don’t.

  603. nicunurse says:

    [quote comment="198749"][quote comment="198743"]I think it sucks that one of the rules about this blog is that you cannot discuss episode previews. It’s practically impossible not to see the preview for next week when it starts as soon as the previous episode is finished. I can see banning everything else outside of that, but jeez… Are our rules written is stone around here? Is this a dictatorship or what?[/quote]

    I agree with you. We all see the preveiw, so what does it matter? I didn’t know we couldn’t talk about it or I wouldn’t have. If anyone says they don’t stick around for the 30 second preveiw, I say they are LIARS.[/quote]
    Ridiculous! Commenting on the previews that come with the episode is allowed…there isn’t even a commercial in between! Perhaps DocH is wearing a dress….she may be female…

  604. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="198776"][quote comment="198759"][quote comment="198755"]can anyone remember if faraday was crying when he heard about the crash of 815? do you think that was because he knew that he’d be meeting future desmond soon?[/quote]

    He was crying, but IMO, I don’t think it was totally due to the fact he was gonna meet Desmond. I think he had an idea of what the future might hold for him. Which I don’t think we have entirely seen yet.

    DocH – there are always exceptions to rules. Are you even wearing pants?[/quote]

    He was crying. I think he may have gotten fired or “let go” from the school. He moved in with a relatives and stopped doing his experiments all together. Sees the news. Cries because he knows his works and theory’s are real and relevant. He meets Desmond in 96 and it put all his work on the right path. He then forced to stop. (He makes the comment that some one put Desmond up to talking to him). so years later when he sees the news cast he knows he was right. Maybe, I don’t.[/quote]
    ——————-
    He wasn’t staying with relatives…in pop up lost it said that was his caretaker

  605. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="198726"]Crazy as this may sound. Given that the time difference is up the wall and no one knows where we are upto and. Did we meet Micheal for his second stint in the show or is “kevin Johnson” a grown up walt. Bearing in mind that Ben had more time with Walt to get him on his side than he did with Micheal. these may just be the ramblings of a mad man but with these crazy writers who knows whats possible.[/quote]

    I don’ think there is a time difference. I think exiting the island, after being exposed to the radiation, may cause your consciousness to travel. I like that theory about Walt being new Kevin Johnson, but I watched the episode again and IMO there is recognition in Michael’s face when he sees Sayid.

  606. Hermy says:

    1) The “not machine-made noise” heard by Sayid and Des – perhaps it wasn’t SOS or any code, but the sound of a person who is losing their mind? (I’m picturing “Man in the Iron Mask” where Leonardo’s character is running his iron mask across the prison bars, over and over and over…) If that’s possible, how depressing! What an awful ship! Would that mean everyone is suffering from the “bleeding nose syndrome?” Why isn’t the captain?

    2) Time line issue: I believe there were three days on the island to the one day it took Sayid and Des to make it to the ship. So, the island moves faster, right? Except Des calls Penny at Christmas – 4 months after the crash and the losties haven’t lived on the island for a year+… And, if Jin supposedly died during the crash – but the freighter arrives 4 months later, isn’t it suspicious that Jin’s body not decomposed? Or if the “time speeds up issue” occurs – why is his “rapid-time-decomposed body” carried back but not other decomposed bodies – in other words, why 8 and not the whole big number?

    So could this mean that the freighter doesn’t deliver them, but somehow the O6+2(Jin included) actually travel back in time to the date of the crash and *then* get rescued?

    And then Kate’s in big trouble. There’s no way she’s going to sell “flat tummy girl to 9 months pregnant to baby in hand in ONE DAY!” scenario!

    Bottom line: I sure hope the good people writing this up have a time line tacked up somewhere , cause I really can’t see how in the world they’re going to make it all work…

    But I believe!

  607. Michael says:

    [quote comment="198807"][quote comment="198726"]Crazy as this may sound. Given that the time difference is up the wall and no one knows where we are upto and. Did we meet Micheal for his second stint in the show or is “kevin Johnson” a grown up walt. Bearing in mind that Ben had more time with Walt to get him on his side than he did with Micheal. these may just be the ramblings of a mad man but with these crazy writers who knows whats possible.[/quote]

    I don’ think there is a time difference. I think exiting the island, after being exposed to the radiation, may cause your consciousness to travel. I like that theory about Walt being new Kevin Johnson, but I watched the episode again and IMO there is recognition in Michael’s face when he sees Sayid.[/quote]

    —–
    Walt would recognize sayid, right?

  608. Michael says:

    [quote comment="198801"][quote comment="198776"][quote comment="198759"][quote comment="198755"]can anyone remember if faraday was crying when he heard about the crash of 815? do you think that was because he knew that he’d be meeting future desmond soon?[/quote]

    He was crying, but IMO, I don’t think it was totally due to the fact he was gonna meet Desmond. I think he had an idea of what the future might hold for him. Which I don’t think we have entirely seen yet.

    DocH – there are always exceptions to rules. Are you even wearing pants?[/quote]

    He was crying. I think he may have gotten fired or “let go” from the school. He moved in with a relatives and stopped doing his experiments all together. Sees the news. Cries because he knows his works and theory’s are real and relevant. He meets Desmond in 96 and it put all his work on the right path. He then forced to stop. (He makes the comment that some one put Desmond up to talking to him). so years later when he sees the news cast he knows he was right. Maybe, I don’t.[/quote]
    ——————-
    He wasn’t staying with relatives…in pop up lost it said that was his caretaker[/quote]

    —–

    Thanks!
    Caretaker. Even better. So he has a break down over obsessing with his work. he’s forced to step down.

  609. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="198813"]1) The “not machine-made noise” heard by Sayid and Des – perhaps it wasn’t SOS or any code, but the sound of a person who is losing their mind? (I’m picturing “Man in the Iron Mask” where Leonardo’s character is running his iron mask across the prison bars, over and over and over…) If that’s possible, how depressing! What an awful ship! Would that mean everyone is suffering from the “bleeding nose syndrome?” Why isn’t the captain?

    2) Time line issue: I believe there were three days on the island to the one day it took Sayid and Des to make it to the ship. So, the island moves faster, right? Except Des calls Penny at Christmas – 4 months after the crash and the losties haven’t lived on the island for a year+… And, if Jin supposedly died during the crash – but the freighter arrives 4 months later, isn’t it suspicious that Jin’s body not decomposed? Or if the “time speeds up issue” occurs – why is his “rapid-time-decomposed body” carried back but not other decomposed bodies – in other words, why 8 and not the whole big number?

    So could this mean that the freighter doesn’t deliver them, but somehow the O6+2(Jin included) actually travel back in time to the date of the crash and *then* get rescued?

    And then Kate’s in big trouble. There’s no way she’s going to sell “flat tummy girl to 9 months pregnant to baby in hand in ONE DAY!” scenario!

    Bottom line: I sure hope the good people writing this up have a time line tacked up somewhere , cause I really can’t see how in the world they’re going to make it all work…

    But I believe![/quote]

    Faraday says the effects are different in everybody, maybe that’s why some people don’t have side effects. The time issue I am not entirely sure about, after going to lostpedia i am now totally confused. I’m not really sure what you are trying to say about Jin.

  610. Kimpakwon says:

    I feel confused too.
    It seems almost like a complicated puzzel..
    Is it possible Michael is the Sun’s baby Ji-Yeon?
    I might be wrong..but, I felt like the baby
    Ji-Yeon skin is darker than average oriental baby skin.
    When I fist saw the baby born… I actually thought baby was black.
    Sun looks good on the photo with her wig though.

  611. Kimpakwon says:

    Correction, I meant if Michael is the father of Sun’s baby “Ji-Yeon”..

  612. Rita says:

    [quote comment="198776"][quote comment="198759"][quote comment="198755"]can anyone remember if faraday was crying when he heard about the crash of 815? do you think that was because he knew that he’d be meeting future desmond soon?[/quote]

    He was crying, but IMO, I don’t think it was totally due to the fact he was gonna meet Desmond. I think he had an idea of what the future might hold for him. Which I don’t think we have entirely seen yet.

    DocH – there are always exceptions to rules. Are you even wearing pants?[/quote]

    He was crying. I think he may have gotten fired or “let go” from the school. He moved in with a relatives and stopped doing his experiments all together. Sees the news. Cries because he knows his works and theory’s are real and relevant. He meets Desmond in 96 and it put all his work on the right path. He then forced to stop. (He makes the comment that some one put Desmond up to talking to him). so years later when he sees the news cast he knows he was right. Maybe, I don’t.[/quote]
    ******************************

    I like where you are going with Daniel, partially. Remember that until he met Desmond and had Desmond meet him in the past, he didn’t have a constant. He was having trouble keeping it all together. Having Desmond meet him solved both his and Desmond’s problem of needing a constant. Therefore, he was likely watching the news remembering something, knowing it was important, but wasn’t sure what. He was seeing that his life’s work really did work, but couldn’t remember the details. Meeting Desmond and sending him back to meet him in 1996 gave him the stability to pull himself together so to speak.

  613. JamieGirl says:

    Kimpakwon, you should be thrown off this blog. You’re a fool. NO SPOILERS.

  614. Rita says:

    [quote comment="198813"]1) The “not machine-made noise” heard by Sayid and Des – perhaps it wasn’t SOS or any code, but the sound of a person who is losing their mind? (I’m picturing “Man in the Iron Mask” where Leonardo’s character is running his iron mask across the prison bars, over and over and over…) If that’s possible, how depressing! What an awful ship! Would that mean everyone is suffering from the “bleeding nose syndrome?” Why isn’t the captain?

    2) Time line issue: I believe there were three days on the island to the one day it took Sayid and Des to make it to the ship. So, the island moves faster, right? Except Des calls Penny at Christmas – 4 months after the crash and the losties haven’t lived on the island for a year+… And, if Jin supposedly died during the crash – but the freighter arrives 4 months later, isn’t it suspicious that Jin’s body not decomposed? Or if the “time speeds up issue” occurs – why is his “rapid-time-decomposed body” carried back but not other decomposed bodies – in other words, why 8 and not the whole big number?

    So could this mean that the freighter doesn’t deliver them, but somehow the O6+2(Jin included) actually travel back in time to the date of the crash and *then* get rescued?

    And then Kate’s in big trouble. There’s no way she’s going to sell “flat tummy girl to 9 months pregnant to baby in hand in ONE DAY!” scenario!

    Bottom line: I sure hope the good people writing this up have a time line tacked up somewhere , cause I really can’t see how in the world they’re going to make it all work…

    But I believe![/quote]
    Point #1: agreed. I think you are right about the noise being hopeless people losing their minds.

    Point #2: I don’t think anyone has the island time issues figured out yet but we do know that Jin did not die in the crash. That is part of the lie that the O6ers are telling the world, that everyone not with them (not an O6er) died in the crash. That’s why is says that on his tomb stone. As far as we know, Jin is alive and well on the island until we see otherwise. Personally, I think Jin will die before leaving the island, but the tomb stone will still say that he died in the crash (to fit in with the lie story that everyone except the 8, then 6, die in the crash).

  615. Rita says:

    [quote comment="198832"]I feel confused too.
    It seems almost like a complicated puzzel..
    Is it possible Michael is the Sun’s baby Ji-Yeon?
    I might be wrong..but, I felt like the baby
    Ji-Yeon skin is darker than average oriental baby skin.
    When I fist saw the baby born… I actually thought baby was black.
    Sun looks good on the photo with her wig though.[/quote]
    I didn’t think the baby looked black (I admit, I looked for that) but I DID think Sun hesitated too long when Hurley said the baby looked just like Jin. Therefore, I agree that the baby is quite possibly NOT Jin’s. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

  616. Rita says:

    [quote comment="198891"]Kimpakwon, you should be thrown off this blog. You’re a fool. NO SPOILERS.[/quote]
    ????????????????

  617. Rita says:

    [quote comment="198780"][quote comment="198749"][quote comment="198743"]I think it sucks that one of the rules about this blog is that you cannot discuss episode previews. It’s practically impossible not to see the preview for next week when it starts as soon as the previous episode is finished. I can see banning everything else outside of that, but jeez… Are our rules written is stone around here? Is this a dictatorship or what?[/quote]

    I agree with you. We all see the preveiw, so what does it matter? I didn’t know we couldn’t talk about it or I wouldn’t have. If anyone says they don’t stick around for the 30 second preveiw, I say they are LIARS.[/quote]
    Ridiculous! Commenting on the previews that come with the episode is allowed…there isn’t even a commercial in between! Perhaps DocH is wearing a dress….she may be female…[/quote]
    ****************
    Sorry DocH, I agree with those who don’t count the previews of next week’s episode as a spoiler. As I remember it in previous discussions about it, most felt that anything put out officially by Damon and Carlton was NOT a spoiler (ie official podcasts, etc.). Your definition is really pretty hard to comply with maybe? How does everyone else feel? Any thoughts Will?

  618. shai says:

    hello again everyone..

    after reading all of your intriguing theories, i realized something.. the people on the ship know who the losties are right? b/c kate asked miles and he knew about kate. This means they’d know who michael is. I’m sure they did their research. so maybe michael went through the whole memory-loss-time-traveling syndrome and can’t remember who he is currently (a la Des weeks ago). So they probably gave him a fake name and told him that his name is Kevin. feeling it? pushin it too far?

  619. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="198897"]the people on the ship know who the losties are right? b/c kate asked miles and he knew about kate. This means they’d know who michael is. [/quote]

    I am not saying you are incorrect, but rather throwing out a contradicting thought. The freighter tots may well have known names and biographical information without having photos. Plus, Kate’s bio is inherently “interesting” because she is a fugitive murderer, which would make her stand out. Additionally, I think that Kate spoke with people on the sat. phone and they might have looked up her information prior to sending the chopper.

    It may well be true that the freighter tots KNOW it is really Michael, but I don’t think it is a given.

    : ) P

  620. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="198689"]because i’m a LOSTaholic as well…

    http://www.cafepress.com/shelloniusjunk/5110413%5B/quote%5D

    Cool idea, Shellonius, but ah… what does “obession” mean?

    : ) P

  621. sector7 says:

    I theorize that in this weeks episode someone will be firing a machine gun.

  622. RGS says:

    [quote comment="198897"]hello again everyone..

    after reading all of your intriguing theories, i realized something.. the people on the ship know who the losties are right? b/c kate asked miles and he knew about kate. This means they’d know who michael is. I’m sure they did their research. so maybe michael went through the whole memory-loss-time-traveling syndrome and can’t remember who he is currently (a la Des weeks ago). So they probably gave him a fake name and told him that his name is Kevin. feeling it? pushin it too far?[/quote]

    IMHO pushing it too far. I got the odds that Mike, aka KJ, at 99.5% that he is Ben’s informant. Thus, the freightor folks (FF) don’t know KJ, but they are aware of Michael Dawson and we are led to believe that they think the two are separate people.

    I do not think the Capt. wants to continue losing men to crazy happenings, etc. It appears that Michael has sabotaged the ship. If they knew KJ to be Michael, I think he’d have some ‘splainin’ to do. It’s one thing to let a charade go on when you are in control of the happenings, once that control is lost all bets are off.

    Mike appeared to have recognized Sayid & Des. He was even reluctant to show his face to them. I think that would be contrary to him having memory loss.

    I get the idea that most of the FF are on a bounty hunting mission to get Ben, and they aren’t really concerned with the island, with the exception of possibly the Capt.,, Charlotte, and Daniel. You can throw the ship’s doctor in that mix too, if you’re feeling frisky.

    To have Mike have memory loss, on top of being given a new identity by the FF, and thus, us still not given the identity of Ben’s MOTB is a complexity that I don’t think even they want to introduce.

  623. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="198897"]hello again everyone..

    after reading all of your intriguing theories, i realized something.. the people on the ship know who the losties are right? b/c kate asked miles and he knew about kate. This means they’d know who michael is. I’m sure they did their research. so maybe michael went through the whole memory-loss-time-traveling syndrome and can’t remember who he is currently (a la Des weeks ago). So they probably gave him a fake name and told him that his name is Kevin. feeling it? pushin it too far?[/quote]

    Not feeling it and here’s why. Season 2 finale, Michael asks Ben if Ben is worried that Michael will tell someone about him after he is rescued and Ben says no because then they would find out what you did to get rescued (referring to the murder of Anna and Libby). Michael wouldn’t want anyone to know who he is from this point which is why I believe Michael changed his name to Kevin Johnson. Then was “recruited” by Ben to infiltrate the freighter. The tots might know who he really is, but if so, they haven’t revealed that to Michael yet.

  624. RGS says:

    [quote comment="198896"]Sorry DocH, I agree with those who don’t count the previews of next week’s episode as a spoiler. As I remember it in previous discussions about it, most felt that anything put out officially by Damon and Carlton was NOT a spoiler (ie official podcasts, etc.). Your definition is really pretty hard to comply with maybe? How does everyone else feel? Any thoughts Will?[/quote]

    Doc must be trying to implement prison rules. Either that or Doc’s got an extremely fast trigger finger. Why do I get the feeling that not only is everything labeled in the Doc’s house, but the Doc has created separate labels in addition to the expiration date of persihable items, so as to absolutely prevent spoiling. Wow!

    Doc you might want to stay away from the Internet on Thursday when the NCAA games begin in case you have TiVo’d the games, because the results are going to be all over the place…Go HOYAS!

  625. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="198896"][quote comment="198780"][quote comment="198749"][quote comment="198743"]I think it sucks that one of the rules about this blog is that you cannot discuss episode previews. It’s practically impossible not to see the preview for next week when it starts as soon as the previous episode is finished. I can see banning everything else outside of that, but jeez… Are our rules written is stone around here? Is this a dictatorship or what?[/quote]

    I agree with you. We all see the preveiw, so what does it matter? I didn’t know we couldn’t talk about it or I wouldn’t have. If anyone says they don’t stick around for the 30 second preveiw, I say they are LIARS.[/quote]
    Ridiculous! Commenting on the previews that come with the episode is allowed…there isn’t even a commercial in between! Perhaps DocH is wearing a dress….she may be female…[/quote]
    ****************
    Sorry DocH, I agree with those who don’t count the previews of next week’s episode as a spoiler. As I remember it in previous discussions about it, most felt that anything put out officially by Damon and Carlton was NOT a spoiler (ie official podcasts, etc.). Your definition is really pretty hard to comply with maybe? How does everyone else feel? Any thoughts Will?[/quote]
    ++++++++++++
    I was expecting someone to say, “No, if this was a dictatorship I would have shot you and gone on with my day”

  626. roses12 says:

    [quote comment="198690"]Tsunami – Wasn’t that the battle cry of a few folks recently? A: Yes. How’d that turn out? All timelines I have read put current island time as a few days past tsunami day, so unless someone wields the “island time differential” ax, I’d say the tsunami is a moot point. (in bovine… “a moo point”).

    §₪[/quote]

    i think there is still time for the tsunami as i reckon its Dec 25 :… helo lands on freighter, des freaks out, des meets his constant & speaks to Penny, Des&Sayid get locked up in sickbay, D&S sleep(dec 24). They wake up and see the note, watch Regina jump over board, locked up in blood splattered room (dec 25).

    Tsuami was Dec 26. D&C said Tsuami would come into play in a podcast last year. Would be great special effects, Michael might even get washed overboard!

    Just hope Des makes it with all your theory on story line closure (finding Penny at long last) = death of character. I love Des, long live Des.

  627. skweez says:

    [quote comment="198896"][quote comment="198780"][quote comment="198749"][quote comment="198743"]I think it sucks that one of the rules about this blog is that you cannot discuss episode previews. It’s practically impossible not to see the preview for next week when it starts as soon as the previous episode is finished. I can see banning everything else outside of that, but jeez… Are our rules written is stone around here? Is this a dictatorship or what?[/quote]

    I agree with you. We all see the preveiw, so what does it matter? I didn’t know we couldn’t talk about it or I wouldn’t have. If anyone says they don’t stick around for the 30 second preveiw, I say they are LIARS.[/quote]
    Ridiculous! Commenting on the previews that come with the episode is allowed…there isn’t even a commercial in between! Perhaps DocH is wearing a dress….she may be female…Sorry DocH, I agree with those who don’t count the previews of next week’s episode as a spoiler. As I remember it in previous discussions about it, most felt that anything put out officially by Damon and Carlton was NOT a spoiler (ie official podcasts, etc.). Your definition is really pretty hard to comply with maybe? How does everyone else feel? Any thoughts Will?[/quote]
    ****************
    [/quote]

    I asked this question when i first “joined” this site and was told that previews and OFFICIAL podcasts were not considered spoliers. However, this did not come from Will. It would be nice to get a concrete answer. It just seems to make sense that if we’re going to theorize then we would want all the relavent info. that come from the creators. Just my thoughts…..

  628. Hammer says:

    Podcast are generally info that clarifies what we should already know. Previews are generally spoilerish, but are usually accepted by most people.

    The issue is…it is against the rules to discuss previews(not podcasts).

    Personally attacking DocH doesn’t change the rules.

  629. skweez says:

    [quote comment="198914"]Podcast are generally info that clarifies what we should already know. Previews are generally spoilerish, but are usually accepted by most people.

    The issue is…it is against the rules to discuss previews(not podcasts).

    Personally attacking DocH doesn’t change the rules.[/quote]

    Excellent, so I’ll keep the preview talk out, and the podcast talk in!…

  630. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="198915"][quote comment="198914"]Podcast are generally info that clarifies what we should already know. Previews are generally spoilerish, but are usually accepted by most people.

    The issue is…it is against the rules to discuss previews(not podcasts).

    Personally attacking DocH doesn’t change the rules.[/quote]

    Excellent, so I’ll keep the preview talk out, and the podcast talk in!…[/quote]
    That’s what I TRY to do. The rule I often break is the “Stay on topic”. :)

  631. lost4ever says:

    RGS-” Mike appeared to have recognized Sayid & Des”

    Did Michael ever meet Desmond? When Des first appeard Michael was with the tailies and at the end of Season 2, when Des came back, Michael was off on his mission, I think?

  632. jaime says:

    Ok, I really should be working but there is a question that has been eating at me: What is the connection with Christian Shepherd?

    1. He is “dead” but his body was never found
    2. We see him on the island w/ Vincent wearing a pair of white shoes (unusual)
    3. One shoe is found in the jungle
    4. When he appears in Jacob’s cabin, he is still wearing the other shoe.
    His connections: Obviously he’s the father of Jack and Clair, He met Ana Lucia in the airport and took her to Sydney. He met Sawyer in the bar where Sawyer paid for his drinks.

    I know this is related in no way to “Ji Yeon” but it has been on my mind since I saw him in Jacob’s cabin….what is his importance? (hey at least i didn’t mention the “C” word)

    I love and appreciate all of your ideas and thoughts, anyone have any for me?

  633. Hurley's Dad says:

    [quote comment="198920"]RGS-” Mike appeared to have recognized Sayid & Des”

    Did Michael ever meet Desmond? When Des first appeard Michael was with the tailies and at the end of Season 2, when Des came back, Michael was off on his mission, I think?[/quote]
    I’ve been wondering that too…but to be correct, Desmond showed up at the funeral for Ana-Lucia and Libby. Michael was still with the Losties when Desi was there.

  634. lost4ever says:

    I am new here and my apologies to ALL. I didn’t mean to start a controversy about Episode preveiw disscussions. I just assumed, as big of fans of the show that we all are, we all watch the preveiw immediately following the show. As nicunurse stated there are no commercials in between. I don’t honestly see anyone not watching that. And i didn’t want to start an attack on DocH, His theories and comments seem to be very important and entertaining to this blog.

    Sector 7- too funny

  635. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="198922"][quote comment="198920"]RGS-” Mike appeared to have recognized Sayid & Des”

    Did Michael ever meet Desmond? When Des first appeard Michael was with the tailies and at the end of Season 2, when Des came back, Michael was off on his mission, I think?[/quote]
    I’ve been wondering that too…but to be correct, Desmond showed up at the funeral for Ana-Lucia and Libby. Michael was still with the Losties when Desi was there.[/quote]
    I’m stuck too. It appears that Des was found in his boat in “Live Together,Die Alone” which is the same episode that Michael and Walt left in. So I can’t remember if they were in any scenes together.

  636. Rita says:

    DocH I never meant a personal attack on you and thought I was careful to state my position without attacking you. If you felt attacked by me, I do sincerely and humbly appologize. I value your insightful and carefully thought out opinions very much. Friends?

  637. lost4ever says:

    4. When he appears in Jacob’s cabin, he is still wearing the other shoe.

    Wasn’t it in the Hurley episode that we saw him in Jacob’s cabin? Why would Hurley even see him? He is truly a very puzzling peice of this wonderfully ochestrated story.

  638. nicunurse says:

    [quote comment="198923"]I am new here and my apologies to ALL. I didn’t mean to start a controversy about Episode preveiw disscussions. I just assumed, as big of fans of the show that we all are, we all watch the preveiw immediately following the show. As nicunurse stated there are no commercials in between. I don’t honestly see anyone not watching that. And i didn’t want to start an attack on DocH, His theories and comments seem to be very important and entertaining to this blog.

    Sector 7- too funny[/quote]

    Wait, how do we know DocH is a he? Just curious…

  639. Hammer says:

    Hey folks, don’t get all upset over the previews/spoiler thing. This has come up at least 10 times since the years I have been coming to this blog. As long as we err on the side of caution, everything will be okay.

    Emergency LAA meeting? I have to call my sponsor.

  640. Rita says:

    I occurs to me that we don’t really know how long the freighter has been there. For all we know, it could have been years (though probably not). If the powers-that-be set up the whole expedition, it is possible that the captain feels he CAN’T go home until the mission is accomplished. Possibly, they all are going a bit stir crazy simply because they can’t go home, and can’t land on the island either (or risk Minkowski syndrom). They could actually be in fear for their lives should they fail in their mission, yet are feeling so hopeless about actually accomplishing it. Could be that Michael (and Walt?) were found adrift in their little boat and taken on board under an assumed identity and given work (janitor) to take the place of someone (Brandon maybe?) who died. So then, where is Walt? I hope we find out this week!!

  641. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="198932"]I occurs to me that we don’t really know how long the freighter has been there. For all we know, it could have been years (though probably not). If the powers-that-be set up the whole expedition, it is possible that the captain feels he CAN’T go home until the mission is accomplished. Possibly, they all are going a bit stir crazy simply because they can’t go home, and can’t land on the island either (or risk Minkowski syndrom). They could actually be in fear for their lives should they fail in their mission, yet are feeling so hopeless about actually accomplishing it. Could be that Michael (and Walt?) were found adrift in their little boat and taken on board under an assumed identity and given work (janitor) to take the place of someone (Brandon maybe?) who died. So then, where is Walt? I hope we find out this week!![/quote]

    You are right…we don’t know how long the freighter has been there. I am guessing after the hatch exploded they were sent there. Remember the ending seen of Season 2? The sonar revealed the island location temporarily and Penny Widmore was telephoned.

    Here’s my theory…When Michael and Walt left the island they were not as yet under Ben’s command. They looked really eager to leave in fact (he shot two people and betrayed his friends). I beleive they made it back to civilization and Michael started suffering side effects ( visions of Libby and Ana Lucia maybe). Ben or Richard came calling, as we know they can find anyone, and gave him another mission. But I am sure I am totally wrong and he was picked up adrift with Walt.

    If Michael is now Kevin Johnson, I wonder what Walt changed his name to? Maybe Earvin Johnson? (MAGIC)

  642. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="198933"]
    You are right…we don’t know how long the freighter has been there. I am guessing after the hatch exploded they were sent there. Remember the ending seen of Season 2? The sonar revealed the island location temporarily and Penny Widmore was telephoned.[/quote]
    My take, Widmore knew that Penny was looking for Des. He was spying on her efforts in addition to his own efforts to find the island. The hatch blows, Penny’s folks get a bearing, hence Widmore gets a bearing and dispatches the freighter and here we are…

  643. RGS says:

    [quote comment="198930"][quote comment="198923"]

    [/quote]

    Wait, how do we know DocH is a he? Just curious…[/quote]

    Just a guess, but the Doc in the name suggests being a man, we all know just as sure as Walt is on that boat, that doctors are men. :p

  644. jaime says:

    lost4ever:
    4. When he appears in Jacob’s cabin, he is still wearing the other shoe.

    Wasn’t it in the Hurley episode that we saw him in Jacob’s cabin? Why would Hurley even see him? He is truly a very puzzling peice of this wonderfully ochestrated story.

    Yes, that was the episode….when Hurley looked through the keyhole in Jacob’s cabin door, he saw Christian Shepherd sitting in a rocking chair…then someone’s eye popped up and looked out the keyhole back at Hurley…chilling!

    What does this mean? ahhhhhh

  645. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="198935"][quote comment="198930"][quote comment="198923"]

    [/quote]

    Wait, how do we know DocH is a he? Just curious…[/quote]

    Just a guess, but the Doc in the name suggests being a man, we all know just as sure as Walt is on that boat, that doctors are men. :p[/quote]
    Can’t……con…tinue….trying…to…get….of the…..floor…LOL.

  646. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="198935"][quote comment="198930"][quote comment="198923"]

    [/quote]

    Wait, how do we know DocH is a he? Just curious…[/quote]

    Just a guess, but the Doc in the name suggests being a man, we all know just as sure as Walt is on that boat, that doctors are men. :p[/quote]
    ——————–
    REAL doctors are men, and fertility specialists are women. Did you just start watching LOST?

  647. Rita says:

    [quote comment="198936"]lost4ever:
    4. When he appears in Jacob’s cabin, he is still wearing the other shoe.

    Wasn’t it in the Hurley episode that we saw him in Jacob’s cabin? Why would Hurley even see him? He is truly a very puzzling peice of this wonderfully ochestrated story.

    Yes, that was the episode….when Hurley looked through the keyhole in Jacob’s cabin door, he saw Christian Shepherd sitting in a rocking chair…then someone’s eye popped up and looked out the keyhole back at Hurley…chilling!

    What does this mean? ahhhhhh[/quote]
    I always thought that was Locke’s eye popping up. Odd, if it was his, that he didn’t seem to know that Hurley was there. So who was it then?

  648. jaime says:

    Jacob????

  649. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="198940"]Jacob????[/quote]
    That was Locke’s eye.

  650. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="198941"][quote comment="198940"]Jacob????[/quote]
    That was Locke’s eye.[/quote]

    How do we know for sure?

  651. Miraks says:

    I already posted this once, but I’ll say it again. How do we know that the real Walt left with Michael on the boat? There was some discussion back then if it really was Walt, or just his “appearation” since he did not speak. Maybe Ben wanted everyone to think he was sending Michael and Walt away, but has secretly hidden Walt away somewhere on the island and has told Michael: Hey, you gotta go to this port, get on this frighter- here is your new id- and spy for me. Otherwise you won’t get your kid back.

  652. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="198944"]I already posted this once, but I’ll say it again. How do we know that the real Walt left with Michael on the boat? There was some discussion back then if it really was Walt, or just his “appearation” since he did not speak. Maybe Ben wanted everyone to think he was sending Michael and Walt away, but has secretly hidden Walt away somewhere on the island and has told Michael: Hey, you gotta go to this port, get on this frighter- here is your new id- and spy for me. Otherwise you won’t get your kid back.[/quote]
    Certainly possible. Can’t refute it. Just an observation, because it would be a boring story if it didn’t happen. But how does someone like Michael get on Widmore’s boat? You would think that only the most trustworthy would be recruited…but then again Miles is trying to swindle a deal too.

  653. Miraks says:

    [quote comment="198945"]
    Certainly possible. Can’t refute it. Just an observation, because it would be a boring story if it didn’t happen. But how does someone like Michael get on Widmore’s boat? You would think that only the most trustworthy would be recruited…but then again Miles is trying to swindle a deal too.[/quote]

    Maybe the real Kevin Johnson ended up at the bottom of the ocean in the fake 815. Does that make it more exciting? :-)

  654. TanzITwo says:

    (LOST… Joke of the Day)

    Sun: Is my baby normal?

    Doctor: Yeah, sure. Ten toes… ten fingers.

    Nurse: (whispers into doctors ear).

    Doctor: If you consider four toes on the left foot and six on the right… normal?.. Mrs Kwon.

  655. Rita says:

    [quote comment="198944"]I already posted this once, but I’ll say it again. How do we know that the real Walt left with Michael on the boat? There was some discussion back then if it really was Walt, or just his “appearation” since he did not speak. Maybe Ben wanted everyone to think he was sending Michael and Walt away, but has secretly hidden Walt away somewhere on the island and has told Michael: Hey, you gotta go to this port, get on this frighter- here is your new id- and spy for me. Otherwise you won’t get your kid back.[/quote]
    Michael doesn’t strike me as the kind of guy who would leave Walt to spy for Ben. He would more likely have circled around the island and tried a direct rescue attempt like he did before.

  656. jaime says:

    The eye that pops up in “The Man Behind the Curtain” is Jacob’s not Locke’s….just looked it up

  657. jaime says:

    But my main concern is why is C.S. sitting in Jacob’s chair? And why is he even in the cabin to begin with?

    I beleive Michael and Walt took the boat Ben gave them to the closest port, where the Kahana was docked, and Michael knew someone on the boat…possibly someone he met when he got back to America…(just theories here)

  658. Jeru says:

    Guys let me help your angst(everything i am about to say is absolutely true)….

    1)Jin is really dead, he is one of the 2 that survived the crash and than died in the made up story…the other one is……most likely Sawyer (him and Hurley will turn on Locke and go back to Jack, explaining how Hurley got off the island)

    2)Aaron is one of the ’06, producers have said this, preview for eggtown said they would be revealing another of the 06…just let it go

    3)Don’t even bother trying to discuss Jacob or make theories based on people controlling the time travel, so far it seems uncontrollable.

  659. jaime says:

    I beleive tonight will give us a little insight…i’m sure it will be a flashback since he is not part of the OA6…seems to me that if you are part of it you have a FF if you stay behind/die its a FB. Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Sun all FF..Desmond, Juliet, Jin, all FB. We’ll see what happens tonight hopefully

  660. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="198944"]I already posted this once, but I’ll say it again. How do we know that the real Walt left with Michael on the boat? There was some discussion back then if it really was Walt, or just his “appearation” since he did not speak. Maybe Ben wanted everyone to think he was sending Michael and Walt away, but has secretly hidden Walt away somewhere on the island and has told Michael: Hey, you gotta go to this port, get on this frighter- here is your new id- and spy for me. Otherwise you won’t get your kid back.[/quote]

    Walt did speak. he said, “dad!” and hugged him. If Walt can create an apparition of himself, I don’t think Ben would be able to control it.

  661. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="198944"]I already posted this once, but I’ll say it again. How do we know that the real Walt left with Michael on the boat? There was some discussion back then if it really was Walt, or just his “appearation” since he did not speak. Maybe Ben wanted everyone to think he was sending Michael and Walt away, but has secretly hidden Walt away somewhere on the island and has told Michael: Hey, you gotta go to this port, get on this frighter- here is your new id- and spy for me. Otherwise you won’t get your kid back.[/quote]

    Interesting theory, but Walt did speak, they actually hugged. Also all Ben told Michael was that he would find rescue, so maybe they never made it back to civilization.

  662. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="198949"]The eye that pops up in “The Man Behind the Curtain” is Jacob’s not Locke’s….just looked it up[/quote]

    “Man Behind the Curtain” is where Locke first heard Jacob, not where Hugo saw the eye. You just looked it up where? I believe there is speculation that the eye Hugo saw in S4E1 belongs to Jacob, but that’s it.

  663. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="198952"]I beleive tonight will give us a little insight…i’m sure it will be a flashback since he is not part of the OA6…seems to me that if you are part of it you have a FF if you stay behind/die its a FB. Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Sun all FF..Desmond, Juliet, Jin, all FB. We’ll see what happens tonight hopefully[/quote]
    Do they air LOST on wednesdays where you live? can I move there?

  664. TanzITwo says:

    [quote comment="198951"]
    Aaron is one of the ’06, producers have said this, preview for eggtown said they would be revealing another of the 06…just let it go
    [/quote]
    back up the horses there jericho. when jack was revealed as one of the O6, they never revealed that kate was. (wasn’t her FF, it was his). in eggtown they revealed her as O6 in her FF. so far they are 5 for 5 in O6 reveals. Jack, Hurley, Sayid, Kate then Sun ALL got FFs AND O6 reveals… seem like there is still one slot to fill… feel the angst now?

  665. RGS says:

    [quote comment="198944"]I already posted this once, but I’ll say it again. How do we know that the real Walt left with Michael on the boat? There was some discussion back then if it really was Walt, or just his “appearation” since he did not speak. Maybe Ben wanted everyone to think he was sending Michael and Walt away, but has secretly hidden Walt away somewhere on the island and has told Michael: Hey, you gotta go to this port, get on this frighter- here is your new id- and spy for me. Otherwise you won’t get your kid back.[/quote]

    ok, So what you’Re suggesTing, is that mike and ben had alReady started the plan 4 miKe to spy, and he left knowing that it wasn’t walt that was with him on that little “jet ski?”

    i thought mike and walt had a somewhat emotional reunion and walt did speak with mike. i also think mike would not have been satisfied with that and would have circled back. besides, ben had to keep his word to let them free in order to keep his troops in line, i sorta think that comes into play too.

  666. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="198951"]Guys let me help your angst(everything i am about to say is absolutely true)….

    1)Jin is really dead, he is one of the 2 that survived the crash and than died in the made up story…the other one is……most likely Sawyer (him and Hurley will turn on Locke and go back to Jack, explaining how Hurley got off the island)

    2)Aaron is one of the ’06, producers have said this, preview for eggtown said they would be revealing another of the 06…just let it go

    3)Don’t even bother trying to discuss Jacob or make theories based on people controlling the time travel, so far it seems uncontrollable.[/quote]
    Too funny- everything is absolutely true-

    “Sawyer I think” that sounds true

  667. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="198951"]Guys let me help your angst(everything i am about to say is absolutely true)….

    1)Jin is really dead, he is one of the 2 that survived the crash and than died in the made up story…the other one is……most likely Sawyer (him and Hurley will turn on Locke and go back to Jack, explaining how Hurley got off the island)

    2)Aaron is one of the ’06, producers have said this, preview for eggtown said they would be revealing another of the 06…just let it go

    3)Don’t even bother trying to discuss Jacob or make theories based on people controlling the time travel, so far it seems uncontrollable.[/quote]

    Dude, there is NO VALIDITY to anything Jack said on the stand about 8 survivors and 2 dying. You and others have been spending all this time wondering who the other two are but the fact is the 8 survivor story is being made up. Made up = no truth to it. You guys are killing me with this one.

  668. jaime says:

    sector7

    jaime wrote:

    The eye that pops up in “The Man Behind the Curtain” is Jacob’s not Locke’s….just looked it up

    “Man Behind the Curtain” is where Locke first heard Jacob, not where Hugo saw the eye. You just looked it up where? I believe there is speculation that the eye Hugo saw in S4E1 belongs to Jacob, but that’s it.

    Oh o.k….i looked it up on Lostpedia under “eyes” It shows all the close-ups on eyes that appeared in episodes. They list the eye in “The Man Behind the Curtian” as Jacob’s

    Thank for the info

  669. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="198952"]I beleive tonight will give us a little insight…i’m sure it will be a flashback since he is not part of the OA6…seems to me that if you are part of it you have a FF if you stay behind/die its a FB. Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Sun all FF..Desmond, Juliet, Jin, all FB. We’ll see what happens tonight hopefully[/quote]
    Are you time traveling? On my calander it says today is Wednesday. Lost is on Thursday.

  670. lost4ever says:

    ty sector 7- My post was meant to be sarcastic.
    I totally agree with you. In fact, I think they even said that the other 2 of the 8 were not important

  671. jaime says:

    You quite the jokester Lost4ever…i meant tomorrow obviously

  672. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="198961"]sector7

    jaime wrote:

    The eye that pops up in “The Man Behind the Curtain” is Jacob’s not Locke’s….just looked it up

    “Man Behind the Curtain” is where Locke first heard Jacob, not where Hugo saw the eye. You just looked it up where? I believe there is speculation that the eye Hugo saw in S4E1 belongs to Jacob, but that’s it.

    Oh o.k….i looked it up on Lostpedia under “eyes” It shows all the close-ups on eyes that appeared in episodes. They list the eye in “The Man Behind the Curtian” as Jacob’s

    Thank for the info[/quote]

    Strike 1 for Lostpedia

  673. jaime says:

    wow guys…let it go….let it go….it’s o.k….yes today is Wednesday

  674. Rita says:

    [quote comment="198952"]I beleive tonight will give us a little insight…i’m sure it will be a flashback since he is not part of the OA6…seems to me that if you are part of it you have a FF if you stay behind/die its a FB. Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Sun all FF..Desmond, Juliet, Jin, all FB. We’ll see what happens tonight hopefully[/quote]
    Don’t you mean tomorrow night?

  675. jaime says:

    catch up Rita

  676. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="198963"]ty sector 7- My post was meant to be sarcastic.
    I totally agree with you. In fact, I think they even said that the other 2 of the 8 were not important[/quote]

    Cool. It’s hard to read sarcasm sometimes.

  677. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="198968"]catch up Rita[/quote]
    on lostpedia…click on eyes….then scroll way down to the bottom where they list them by season….season4 unknown eye

  678. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="198964"]You quite the jokester Lost4ever…i meant tomorrow obviously[/quote]
    i would still like to move somewhere….too much snow in Cleveland

  679. jaime says:

    Come to beautiful Boulder Colorado….oh, wait, it’s snowy here too.

  680. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="198971"][quote comment="198964"]You quite the jokester Lost4ever…i meant tomorrow obviously[/quote]
    i would still like to move somewhere….too much snow in Cleveland[/quote]

    San Antonio – sunny and 80 degrees.

  681. Circus Mom says:

    Ok, everyone is assuming that Ben’s man is sabataging the ship. What if it is the crew that is going crazy. The sabatage seems to be bringing the ship closer to the island. Ben dosn’t want them there so why would he have his man do that.

  682. Circus Mom says:

    Someone suggested that it wasn’t Michael but a older Walt we saw on the freighter. I had already thought of this idea, and liked it, but had to dismiss it. Here is what has been keeping me awake about time travel and different timeline theories.

    Island time vs. real time; I have heard many theories that put them as different but we have too much evidence to show that this is not true. Desmond has been on the island 3 years. He is to call Penny on Dec. 24, 2004 and we have evidence, the calendar and the Christmas tree, that it is exactly when he calls Penny. Also Desmond meets both Jack and Libby before going to the island and they get to the island 3 years after Des and their relative ages are the same. Same idea with Kelvin’s relative age with Sayid. When the O6 return their aging dose not seem to be different than the world they return to. The overall relative timelines on and off island are the same.

    Another suggestion was that babies grow faster in-utero and this causes the mothers death. Juliette did a ultrasound to verify how far along Sun was so on island it was normal. If the growth accelerated after leaving the island then Sun’s doctors would notice. She wasn’t pregnant when she left Korea or at least not very far along. If her pregnancy developed at breakneck speeds after leaving the island she probably would have been kept in the hospital.

    If Aaron was aging faster than normal wouldn’t the nanny notice? The pediatrician, the neighbors. If Kate were trying to hide this she wouldn’t agree to stay put for 10 years. If Aaron was growing faster because he was born on the island wouldn’t Alex have also aged faster? Aaron also was not the first baby born on the island, Alex was also and possibly Karl.

    The only time difference we actually is in travel to and from the island. When Saied and Des leave with Frank in the Helo it seems to take overnight to get there. It seems that way both on and off island so they are experiencing the same thing. The odd part is they were low on fuel so couldn’t have flown that long. Daniel said it when he said something about how long it’s taking was not how long Jack thought it was taking. It’s in the perception of how long it takes somehow. Travel both to (the rocket) and from (the Helo) the island seem to take about 10 times longer than they should. I’m sure that is why Juliette was given a shot to put her under before traveling on the sub.

    I know there is other time stuff, throw it at me. I want to see where it fits here.

  683. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="198977"]Ok, everyone is assuming that Ben’s man is sabataging the ship. What if it is the crew that is going crazy. The sabatage seems to be bringing the ship closer to the island. Ben dosn’t want them there so why would he have his man do that.[/quote]
    Excellent point. The engines on the ship were not working, according to that captain(I don’t trust that man), maybe they were already inside the snow globe Des referred to.

    SHipmates going crazy = BAD lima beans

  684. deangoodes says:

    My take on the sabotage taking place on the boat: Michael (A.K.A. Kevin J.) is most likely the newest crew member, having been off the island for just a couple (few) weeks. A ship that size would have a crew of roughly 20 people(Just a guess). Shouldn’t the Captain suspect him of being the saboteur? I would think he would have most of his crew members for a lengthy amount of time and trust them. But a newbie like Michael should make him suspicious….
    I don’t know how I’ll be able to split my time between Lost and the NCAA tourney. I do know I can’t take the chance on missing even a second of Lost. GO BADGERS!!!

  685. Rita says:

    [quote comment="198979"]Someone suggested that it wasn’t Michael but a older Walt we saw on the freighter. I had already thought of this idea, and liked it, but had to dismiss it. Here is what has been keeping me awake about time travel and different timeline theories.

    Island time vs. real time; I have heard many theories that put them as different but we have too much evidence to show that this is not true. Desmond has been on the island 3 years. He is to call Penny on Dec. 24, 2004 and we have evidence, the calendar and the Christmas tree, that it is exactly when he calls Penny. Also Desmond meets both Jack and Libby before going to the island and they get to the island 3 years after Des and their relative ages are the same. Same idea with Kelvin’s relative age with Sayid. When the O6 return their aging dose not seem to be different than the world they return to. The overall relative timelines on and off island are the same.

    Another suggestion was that babies grow faster in-utero and this causes the mothers death. Juliette did a ultrasound to verify how far along Sun was so on island it was normal. If the growth accelerated after leaving the island then Sun’s doctors would notice. She wasn’t pregnant when she left Korea or at least not very far along. If her pregnancy developed at breakneck speeds after leaving the island she probably would have been kept in the hospital.

    If Aaron was aging faster than normal wouldn’t the nanny notice? The pediatrician, the neighbors. If Kate were trying to hide this she wouldn’t agree to stay put for 10 years. If Aaron was growing faster because he was born on the island wouldn’t Alex have also aged faster?

    Aaron also was not the first baby born on the island, Alex was also and possibly Karl.

    The only time difference we actually is in travel to and from the island. When Saied and Des leave with Frank in the Helo it seems to take overnight to get there. It seems that way both on and off island so they are experiencing the same thing. The odd part is they were low on fuel so couldn’t have flown that long. Daniel said it when he said something about how long it’s taking was not how long Jack thought it was taking. It’s in the perception of how long it takes somehow. Travel both to (the rocket) and from (the Helo) the island seem to take about 10 times longer than they should. I’m sure that is why Juliette was given a shot to put her under before traveling on the sub.

    I know there is other time stuff, throw it at me. I want to see where it fits here.[/quote]
    I hear you Circus Mom and agree with some of it. However, Alex and Karl never left the island (as far as we know) so they can’t be used as an example of what growth would be like if they did. Also, as for Sun and Ji, this was one of the reasons I believe that it was right away that she had the baby, not at a full nine months. I guess we need more info to know for sure.

  686. Rita says:

    [quote comment="199002"]My take on the sabotage taking place on the boat: Michael (A.K.A. Kevin J.) is most likely the newest crew member, having been off the island for just a couple (few) weeks. A ship that size would have a crew of roughly 20 people(Just a guess). Shouldn’t the Captain suspect him of being the saboteur? I would think he would have most of his crew members for a lengthy amount of time and trust them. But a newbie like Michael should make him suspicious….
    I don’t know how I’ll be able to split my time between Lost and the NCAA tourney. I do know I can’t take the chance on missing even a second of Lost. GO BADGERS!!![/quote]
    We know that Abaddon recruited at least some of the crew, maybe all of it. Quite possibly, the captain and crew don’t really know each other well.

  687. Paul says:

    Has anyone entertained the thought that they watch LOST every week on that ship and the people are going crazy 1 by 1 because they never give us any answers. I could have sworn I heard Regina say ” What is the 4 toed stone monster” before she jumped.

  688. RAY says:

    [quote comment="199019"]Has anyone entertained the thought that they watch LOST every week on that ship and the people are going crazy 1 by 1 because they never give us any answers. I could have sworn I heard Regina say ” What is the 4 toed stone monster” before she jumped.[/quote

    that’s funny…i think you are right!

  689. lost4ever says:

    We know that Michael is Ben’s MOB. What if he is also working for Widmore? a double agent. Is that even a possibility?

  690. jaime says:

    [quote comment="199034"]We know that Michael is Ben’s MOB. What if he is also working for Widmore? a double agent. Is that even a possibility?[/quot

    Maybe he has the “sickness” and is time traveling working for both men…hahahah :)

  691. Rita says:

    [quote comment="199034"]We know that Michael is Ben’s MOB. What if he is also working for Widmore? a double agent. Is that even a possibility?[/quote]
    Why do we know that Michael is the MOB? In all likelyhood he is, but he may also be a diversion for us, and the REAL MOB will be revealed tomorrow night.