Lost News Update – April 18th, 2008

*Doc Arzt posted the audio from a press conference call with Lindelof and Cuse yesterday, and there is some really good information about what we can expect in the future:

-The title of the finale is “There’s No Place like Home”, part one on May 15th and part two on May 29th.
-They are planning an online prologue for Season 5, similar to ‘Find 815.’
-The story’s that were dropped because of the writer’s strike will be picked up in later season’s
-Season 5 should be launching in the last week of January
-They will not comment on the fate of Rousseau, but they can confirm that she was indeed shot with bullets
-The Orchid video will pay off in a major way by the end of Season 4
-The rattlesnake in the mail box (i.e. gamechanger in the season finale) is officially called “The Frozen Donkey Wheel” – according to Darlton this is going to be something that will absolutely make sense to all of us ;) The best allusion to this came from Lindelof during the call:

“There might come a time in the show where the word ‘flash’ becomes irrelevant,” Lindelof says. “If you stop and think about what we’ve done this year, there’s the story on the island which we perceive to be the present, then there’s the story of the Oceanic 6, which is happening off the island in the future.

“But if you were to switch perspectives and were off the island, focusing on the Oceanic 6 trying to get back, that would be the present, and what happened back on the island would be either a parallel present, a possible future a possible past, who knows. When you hear the ‘whoosh’ noise, the question becomes, Where does it take you?”

Wow – exciting things to come and it’s great to know that we will definitely be getting another ARG-like shot in the arm for the off season hiatus!

*The Extra Hour is Confirmed: Basically, we are going to get an hour on May 15th, and then two additional hours on May 29th – a 3 hour season finale that spans over two distinct episodes

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97 Responses to Lost News Update – April 18th, 2008

  1. RGS says:

    So does this mean that alternative timelines could be in play?

  2. Hammer says:

    Since the Orchid video showed the rabbit being duplicated and up to this point, we were to believe that only the concious was traveling, can we assume that DHARMA was screwing up experiments and cause the rabbit’s past/present/future to somehow meet up at the same time?

    Would this disrupt the perpective of when NOW is?

    If so, Ben could be on and off the island at the same time. And so could the dead folks?

  3. Lins says:

    I have a feeling a timeline of events is going to become our new best friend over these last few seasons/episodes.

    Hope it doesn’t get too confusing…but I’m excited!!!

  4. deangoodes says:

    I am scared that this is going to turn into a Marty McFly type situation where these people are running into themselves, causing the viewers massive confusion.

  5. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="211701"]I am scared that this is going to turn into a Marty McFly type situation where these people are running into themselves, causing the viewers massive confusion.[/quote]
    I don’t think so, I think the duplicate rabbit is more of a hint that someone’s past/present/future CAN intersect in time IF the “powers” are altered by “the bad guys”.

  6. deangoodes says:

    Hammer, you said it yourself that Ben could be on and off the Island at the same time. Also, if a Lostie (or whomever) could be on the island, and off of it as well, could one be good and one evil?

  7. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="211709"]Hammer, you said it yourself that Ben could be on and off the Island at the same time. Also, if a Lostie (or whomever) could be on the island, and off of it as well, could one be good and one evil?[/quote]
    Yes, but on and off the island at the same time doesn’t have them running into each other like in Back to the Future…was my point.

    Good/evil is suppose, but I think we already have our good/evil characters. I think it would be more of a passing info to one’s self type of thing.

  8. Hammer says:

    BTW folks, don’t watch any commercials on ABC unless you want to know who shot Karl and Danielle…dead(ha-ha) give away.

  9. deangoodes says:

    Hammer, so you are thinking that the reason there would be one person in two places at the same time would be because of the power of the island? I can see that, but let’s say that Ben can leave the island as well as being on the island at the same time, what happens when the Ben that left the island comes back?

  10. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="211732"]Hammer, so you are thinking that the reason there would be one person in two places at the same time would be because of the power of the island? I can see that, but let’s say that Ben can leave the island as well as being on the island at the same time, what happens when the Ben that left the island comes back?[/quote]
    I haven’t gotten that far yet. In the Orchid video, the Dr. shouted to keep the rabbits away from each other…I am hoping this gets answered when they give us more info about the video. I’m just speculating…like normal. :)

  11. deangoodes says:

    But we look to YOU for answers Hammer!

    Thank you. Looking forward to the new eps starting Thursday.

  12. Lins says:

    [quote comment="211730"]BTW folks, don’t watch any commercials on ABC unless you want to know who shot Karl and Danielle…dead(ha-ha) give away.[/quote]

    I know, I can’t believe they just made it so obvious with one little preview…oh well, only 6 days to go!

  13. Jacob says:

    LOSTscape?

    They have this new minigame on the ABC.com Lost Site i’ve played it a little and there are items to collect, i think there might be clues to the remaining episodes in there perhaps?

    all the items lead to videoclips, i’m hoping there’s a easter egg clip with info about the finale or something =p

    http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/index?pn=lostscape

  14. Michael says:

    [quote comment="211634"]So does this mean that alternative timelines could be in play?[/quote]
    +_+_+_+_+_+

    I don’t think this means alternate time lines. I think it means we won’t know when exactly some of the events shown will be taking place.

  15. Michael says:

    Did time travel get brought up because of The Orchid video or something else?

  16. 4815162342 says:

    i think the best example of alternate time lines is in yi jeon. when it shows jin buying the stuffed animal, when is that? past or future? year of the dragon is a clue but not a definitive one. i could see this as an alternate jin who did not marry sun, similar to des buying the engagement ring ‘this time’.

  17. Jacob_jstar says:

    LOSTscape, was jsut announced could that be the start of the online prolouge?

    The online prolouge to season 5 might have already started? though it IS ont he main ABC site there are lots of clues and things to find, it’s a bit like a point and click adventure. each item has a small video clip relating to the item that was just found, I’ve found 33 out of 34 i’m still looking for the last one.

    there’s also a sweepstakes too so maybe it acts as a portal to the new ARG? which starts on the main ABC site ?

    http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/index?pn=lostscape

  18. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="211778"][quote comment="211634"]So does this mean that alternative timelines could be in play?[/quote]
    +_+_+_+_+_+

    I don’t think this means alternate time lines. I think it means we won’t know when exactly some of the events shown will be taking place.[/quote]
    ++++
    I agree, no alternate time lines. Like I said earlier. I THINK it means that the mythology is makeing it possible to not only travel in time concisously, but make it possible for one’s concious(or whole self) to be in two time periods at once.

  19. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="211772"]LOSTscape?

    They have this new minigame on the ABC.com Lost Site i’ve played it a little and there are items to collect, i think there might be clues to the remaining episodes in there perhaps?

    all the items lead to videoclips, i’m hoping there’s a easter egg clip with info about the finale or something =p

    http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/index?pn=lostscape%5B/quote%5D

    ++++++
    Thanks for the heads up.

  20. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="211779"]Did time travel get brought up because of The Orchid video or something else?[/quote]
    I brought it up because of the two comments by D&C. The video will make a play and the comment about perspective between on/off island.

  21. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="211789"]i think the best example of alternate time lines is in yi jeon. when it shows jin buying the stuffed animal, when is that? past or future? year of the dragon is a clue but not a definitive one. i could see this as an alternate jin who did not marry sun, similar to des buying the engagement ring ‘this time’.[/quote]
    Sorry, but I disagree. It was not an alternate Jin. It is pretty clear now that Jin’s was an FB and Sun’s was an FF.

  22. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="211739"]But we look to YOU for answers Hammer!

    Thank you. Looking forward to the new eps starting Thursday.[/quote]
    +++++
    I’m honored. Just another fan trying to figure out the great show.

  23. Polli Kovitch says:

    Aaron is a key.
    AARON’s FATHER… Since Claire does not leave the island and is in Kate’s care…Could AARON’s FATHER (Thomas..no last name..curious?) turn up to claim him? Could Thomas have had any prior association with Ben? In season 1 we learn that Claire is directed toward the flight. Take a look at AARON’s father, Thomas, and NOTE the striking resemblance to BEN…http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Thomas

    Flashforward to Kate’s trial. Kate has perpetuated the myth that Aaron is her son. Her own mother believes this. Why hide the truth about Claire? Is Aaron at risk if people think that Aaron is Claire’s?

  24. Michael says:

    [quote comment="212291"]Aaron is a key.
    AARON’s FATHER… Since Claire does not leave the island and is in Kate’s care…Could AARON’s FATHER (Thomas..no last name..curious?) turn up to claim him? Could Thomas have had any prior association with Ben? In season 1 we learn that Claire is directed toward the flight. Take a look at AARON’s father, Thomas, and NOTE the striking resemblance to BEN…http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Thomas

    Flashforward to Kate’s trial. Kate has perpetuated the myth that Aaron is her son. Her own mother believes this. Why hide the truth about Claire? Is Aaron at risk if people think that Aaron is Claire’s?[/quote]
    +_+_+_+_+_+

    Oh! When i was still thinking that time travel was happening I really thought Thomas could be a younger Ben.

  25. Michael says:

    Has anyone tought about Claire’s mom waking up?

  26. Polli Kovitch says:

    [quote comment="212292"][quote comment="212291"]Aaron is a key.
    AARON’s FATHER… Since Claire does not leave the island and is in Kate’s care…Could AARON’s FATHER (Thomas..no last name..curious?) turn up to claim him? Could Thomas have had any prior association with Ben? In season 1 we learn that Claire is directed toward the flight. Take a look at AARON’s father, Thomas, and NOTE the striking resemblance to BEN…http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Thomas

    Flashforward to Kate’s trial. Kate has perpetuated the myth that Aaron is her son. Her own mother believes this. Why hide the truth about Claire? Is Aaron at risk if people think that Aaron is Claire’s?[/quote]
    +_+_+_+_+_+

    Oh! When i was still thinking that time travel was happening I really thought Thomas could be a younger Ben.[/quote]

  27. Polli Kovitch says:

    Oh! When i was still thinking that time travel was happening I really thought Thomas could be a younger Ben.[/quote][/quote]

    This is brilliant…really. Michael..who knows…where Ben is in all of this. Claire is such a nucleus. Between her mother and Jack’s dad, the fact that she was the central focus of the kidnapping, her baby’s, eventually Aaron’s, examination..and INJECTION (we still don’t know exactly where that will take him), and now KATE.

  28. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="212314"][quote comment="212292"][quote comment="212291"]Aaron is a key.
    AARON’s FATHER… Since Claire does not leave the island and is in Kate’s care…Could AARON’s FATHER (Thomas..no last name..curious?) turn up to claim him? Could Thomas have had any prior association with Ben? In season 1 we learn that Claire is directed toward the flight. Take a look at AARON’s father, Thomas, and NOTE the striking resemblance to BEN…http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Thomas

    Flashforward to Kate’s trial. Kate has perpetuated the myth that Aaron is her son. Her own mother believes this. Why hide the truth about Claire? Is Aaron at risk if people think that Aaron is Claire’s?[/quote]
    +_+_+_+_+_+

    Oh! When i was still thinking that time travel was happening I really thought Thomas could be a younger Ben.[/quote][/quote]
    ————-
    Thomas is australian.

  29. Polli Kovitch says:

    ————-
    Thomas is australian.[/quote]

    Yes, about Aussie-Thomas…so not literally Ben..but perhaps the same gene pool. All roads point to Ben knowing Claire was pregnant. The question is if he had foreknowledge that it was THIS baby, Aaron..and made sure they were on 815.

  30. Polli Kovitch says:

    I know, I can’t believe they just made it so obvious with one little preview…oh well, only 6 days to go![/quote]

    Not to worry..it’s a tease. They always tease.

  31. Polli Kovitch says:

    [quote comment="212321"][quote comment="212314"][quote comment="212292"][quote comment="212291"]Aaron is a key.
    AARON’s FATHER… Since Claire does not leave the island and is in Kate’s care…Could AARON’s FATHER (Thomas..no last name..curious?) turn up to claim him? Could Thomas have had any prior association with Ben? In season 1 we learn that Claire is directed toward the flight. Take a look at AARON’s father, Thomas, and NOTE the striking resemblance to BEN…http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Thomas

    Flashforward to Kate’s trial. Kate has perpetuated the myth that Aaron is her son. Her own mother believes this. Why hide the truth about Claire? Is Aaron at risk if people think that Aaron is Claire’s?[/quote]
    +_+_+_+_+_+

    Oh! When i was still thinking that time travel was happening I really thought Thomas could be a younger Ben.[/quote][/quote]
    ————-
    Thomas is australian.[/quote]
    ————-

    Thomas was a painter and his painting appears not only in the brief shot of his apartment BUT ALSO on Widmore’s wall. What’s with that? So..maybe Widmore is behind Thomas and Claire?

  32. lost4ever says:

    Thomas Widmore?

  33. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="212291"]Aaron is a key.
    AARON’s FATHER… Since Claire does not leave the island and is in Kate’s care…Could AARON’s FATHER (Thomas..no last name..curious?) turn up to claim him? Could Thomas have had any prior association with Ben? In season 1 we learn that Claire is directed toward the flight. Take a look at AARON’s father, Thomas, and NOTE the striking resemblance to BEN…http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Thomas

    Flashforward to Kate’s trial. Kate has perpetuated the myth that Aaron is her son. Her own mother believes this. Why hide the truth about Claire? Is Aaron at risk if people think that Aaron is Claire’s?[/quote]
    I don’t think Kate is perpetuating any myth. Aaron is her son now. Parents of adopted kids don’t say “my adopted son” or “this isn’t my real kid.” She is raising him and he is hers now. Kates mother could know he is adopted and still want to see him.

  34. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="212325"]

    Thomas was a painter and his painting appears not only in the brief shot of his apartment BUT ALSO on Widmore’s wall. What’s with that? So..maybe Widmore is behind Thomas and Claire?[/quote]
    ———————
    Did Thomas steal the painting from Widmore? The scene in the apartment with Thomas and Claire is years after the scene with Desmond in Widmore’s office.

  35. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="212324"]I know, I can’t believe they just made it so obvious with one little preview…oh well, only 6 days to go![/quote]

    Not to worry..it’s a tease. They always tease.[/quote]
    —————–
    Actually D&C have previously stated that ABC runs the promos.

  36. Polli Kovitch says:

    [quote comment="212331"][quote comment="212291"]
    Flashforward to Kate’s trial. Kate has perpetuated the myth that Aaron is her son. Her own mother believes this. Why hide the truth about Claire? Is Aaron at risk if people think that Aaron is Claire’s?[/quote]
    I don’t think Kate is perpetuating any myth. Aaron is her son now. Parents of adopted kids don’t say “my adopted son” or “this isn’t my real kid.” She is raising him and he is hers now. Kates mother could know he is adopted and still want to see him.[/quote]

    Circus Mom, you raise a valid and thoughtful note..and given Kate’s character would fully expect she would absolutely view Aaron as her son in the spirit of your point. I don’t, however, trust Kate’s mother whose character and betrayal of her own daughter make her less of a humanist.

  37. Michael says:

    [quote comment="212333"][quote comment="212325"]

    Thomas was a painter and his painting appears not only in the brief shot of his apartment BUT ALSO on Widmore’s wall. What’s with that? So..maybe Widmore is behind Thomas and Claire?[/quote]
    ———————
    Did Thomas steal the painting from Widmore? The scene in the apartment with Thomas and Claire is years after the scene with Desmond in Widmore’s office.[/quote]
    +_+_+_+_+__+_+_

    Something I notice a while back. Thomas is a painter. Ben has many paintings. The stile of Thomas’s paint is a lot like the stile of the paintings on the walls inside the hatch. The briefly show them when Locke first goes down in the hatch,

  38. Michael says:

    Did Thomas have and Australian accent?

  39. Michael says:

    I’m an idiot Style not stile.

  40. Polli Kovitch says:

    [quote comment="212347"]I’m an idiot Style not stile.[/quote]
    You are certainly NOT an idiot. An idiot tries to cover up spelling errors. As for the painting..it is a nuanced cue from the LOST writers. YOU are onto something..you usually are, btw. The BEN COLLECTION…..Thomas. Who is he???

  41. Michael says:

    [quote comment="212358"][quote comment="212347"]I’m an idiot Style not stile.[/quote]
    You are certainly NOT an idiot. An idiot tries to cover up spelling errors. As for the painting..it is a nuanced cue from the LOST writers. YOU are onto something..you usually are, btw. The BEN COLLECTION…..Thomas. Who is he???[/quote]
    +_+_+_+_+_

    Thank you very much.

    Something else I noticed, which may be nothing just like, is the way both Ben and Thomas get upset. If I’m repeating myself to any of you, sorry. When Thomas brakes up with Claire he get really upset then calm extremely quickly just like Ben did with Juliet when he was showing her Goodwin’s body.

  42. Michael says:

    Think I just caught something. In season 1 when Clair is talking to the physic. He said he found a couple in LA the were GOOD PEOPLE. Familiar? Kinda like Ben says he’s one of the GOOD GUYS.

  43. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="212369"]Think I just caught something. In season 1 when Clair is talking to the physic. He said he found a couple in LA the were GOOD PEOPLE. Familiar? Kinda like Ben says he’s one of the GOOD GUYS.[/quote]
    The psychic later calls himself a fraud to Eko and D&C pretty muched said the same thing. I think it more likely he was “encouraged” by someone to make sure Claire got on the light.

  44. Michael says:

    [quote comment="212373"][quote comment="212369"]Think I just caught something. In season 1 when Clair is talking to the physic. He said he found a couple in LA the were GOOD PEOPLE. Familiar? Kinda like Ben says he’s one of the GOOD GUYS.[/quote]
    The psychic later calls himself a fraud to Eko and D&C pretty muched said the same thing. I think it more likely he was “encouraged” by someone to make sure Claire got on the light.[/quote]
    +_+_+_+_+_+_+

    I didn’t know D & C said that. Well that make what the psychic said that much more important.

    At first it seems like he was genuinely warning her. Then he changes his tune to get her on the plane. I thinking that some one got to him to make sure Claire kept the baby and got on that plain. And how ever did get to him held his daughters life as ransom. “they” tell him his daughter is going to die but they can save her IF he does this.

  45. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="212291"]Aaron is a key.
    AARON’s FATHER… Since Claire does not leave the island and is in Kate’s care…Could AARON’s FATHER (Thomas..no last name..curious?) turn up to claim him? Could Thomas have had any prior association with Ben? In season 1 we learn that Claire is directed toward the flight. Take a look at AARON’s father, Thomas, and NOTE the striking resemblance to BEN…http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Thomas

    Flashforward to Kate’s trial. Kate has perpetuated the myth that Aaron is her son. Her own mother believes this. Why hide the truth about Claire? Is Aaron at risk if people think that Aaron is Claire’s?[/quote]

    +++++++++++++
    Not stealing anyone’s thunder. But I have been saying for years that the main characters were all “set up” to get on 815. You guys are (I think) are getting close to why Claire was. I think this because they soon have to let the “cat out of the bag” to Jack and Claire about being siblings. The “big” questions for me is…Who set up them all up? Leaning towards Widmore.

  46. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="212473"]
    The “big” questions for me is…Who set up them all up? Leaning towards Widmore.[/quote]
    Exactly. That is the big question. But I think there can be more than 1 answer. Meaning, Widmore had people on the plane and so did Ben; and maybe not purposefully, maybe some were just by fate or luck ( although we all know “you have to create your own luck” ).
    I think it has been pretty obvious that they were on the flight for a reason.

  47. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="212492"][quote comment="212473"]
    The “big” questions for me is…Who set up them all up? Leaning towards Widmore.[/quote]
    Exactly. That is the big question. But I think there can be more than 1 answer. Meaning, Widmore had people on the plane and so did Ben; and maybe not purposefully, maybe some were just by fate or luck ( although we all know “you have to create your own luck” ).
    I think it has been pretty obvious that they were on the flight for a reason.[/quote]

    ++++++++++++
    Good point, with all the time travel and spying going on. It would make sense that if one side was putting folks on the plane then the other(pun intended)side would do the same. This goes with “our” theory that Libby is a Widmore plant, Locke a “Jacob” plant, etc.

  48. Hammer says:

    Here’s another one to ponder. With an end date announced, do you think we will get answers about the cult like stuff that the Others were doing? Juliette’s branding as a punishment, the weird water burial, the brain washing room, etc.? I wonder if that stuff was going to be filler if ABC kept dragging the show out.

  49. Polli Kovitch says:

    [quote comment="212494"][quote comment="212492"][quote comment="212473"]
    The “big” questions for me is…Who set up them all up? Leaning towards Widmore.[/quote]
    Exactly. That is the big question. But I think there can be more than 1 answer. Meaning, Widmore had people on the plane and so did Ben; and maybe not purposefully, maybe some were just by fate or luck ( although we all know “you have to create your own luck” ).
    I think it has been pretty obvious that they were on the flight for a reason.[/quote]

    ++++++++++++
    Good point, with all the time travel and spying going on. It would make sense that if one side was putting folks on the plane then the other(pun intended)side would do the same. This goes with “our” theory that Libby is a Widmore plant, Locke a “Jacob” plant, etc.[/quote]

    Great round of comments about the “stocking of the plane”. I agree with you, Hammer, some of the less obvious places to mine for clues are the richest with possibilities.

    Libby is everywhere..GIVING Des the boat (Talk about a plant); Libby at the pysch ward surreptiously observing Hurley; Libby on the plane..or is she an Other who shows up?

    Aaron is the son of two people..(Thomas..where are you now? With his paintings appearing on Widmore’s wall..possibly Ben’s point made by michael).

    Leonard Simms who gives Hurley the “numbers” at the pysch ward seems to suffer the exact symptoms as George Minkowski did earlier this season.

    WHAT HAPPENED to WALT? He seems to have slipped to a secondary role..but another critical one. Is he with the CHILDREN from the flight..who are now being raised by ex-flight attendant, Cindy Chandler..(I think she was a plant).

    As lost4ever says: ” I think there can be more than 1 answer” and “I think it has been pretty obvious that they were on the flight for a reason.”

    Those reasons explains much of L O S T.

  50. skweez says:

    BE AWARE!!!

    For all of you anti-spoiler folks.

    If you play the Lostscape game, there is an item that you will find that will give you a short preview.

  51. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="212534"]
    WHAT HAPPENED to WALT? He seems to have slipped to a secondary role..but another critical one. Is he with the CHILDREN from the flight..who are now being raised by ex-flight attendant, Cindy Chandler..(I think she was a plant).[/quote]
    Unless I don’t understand this statement…Walt is in New York with his Grandma. His appearances have been apparitions….”Walt = Walt the person is human, but there are apparitions of Walt that may be monster related”….from Smokey. Lost Missing Pieces shows a a video of Walt being held in a shack before they came up with the plan to exchange Walt for Ben.

    So for now, he’s out of play. But his “special” abilities have to be explained and come back into play at some point IMO. I am guessing he’ll be part of the story of who populates the island at the end.

  52. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="212552"][quote comment="212534"]
    WHAT HAPPENED to WALT? He seems to have slipped to a secondary role..but another critical one. Is he with the CHILDREN from the flight..who are now being raised by ex-flight attendant, Cindy Chandler..(I think she was a plant).[/quote]
    Unless I don’t understand this statement…Walt is in New York with his Grandma. His appearances have been apparitions….”Walt = Walt the person is human, but there are apparitions of Walt that may be monster related”….from Smokey. Lost Missing Pieces shows a a video of Walt being held in a shack before they came up with the plan to exchange Walt for Ben.

    So for now, he’s out of play. But his “special” abilities have to be explained and come back into play at some point IMO. I am guessing he’ll be part of the story of who populates the island at the end.[/quote]
    —————-
    I think with the statements made by D&C above, Walt will be on the show in the next 2 seasons. They have opened the door for the actor Malcom David Kelly to return as Walt and play the role at his current age.

  53. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="212535"]BE AWARE!!!

    For all of you anti-spoiler folks.

    If you play the Lostscape game, there is an item that you will find that will give you a short preview.[/quote]

    When I try to enter, all I get is a black screne…no errors, just a black screen.

  54. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="212534"]

    Leonard Simms who gives Hurley the “numbers” at the pysch ward seems to suffer the exact symptoms as George Minkowski did earlier this season.
    [quote]
    Is that true? I never heard that Leonard had the symptoms of Minkowski, and if he did who was Leonard’s Constant? How did he safely make it back from his outpost tothe mental hospital?

  55. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="212568"][quote comment="212534"]

    Leonard Simms who gives Hurley the “numbers” at the pysch ward seems to suffer the exact symptoms as George Minkowski did earlier this season.
    [quote]
    Is that true? I never heard that Leonard had the symptoms of Minkowski, and if he did who was Leonard’s Constant? How did he safely make it back from his outpost tothe mental hospital?[/quote]

    ++++++++++
    I don’t think so. He had Hugo like symptoms…bad luck followed him and he went “insane”.

  56. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="212517"]Here’s another one to ponder. With an end date announced, do you think we will get answers about the cult like stuff that the Others were doing? Juliette’s branding as a punishment, the weird water burial, the brain washing room, etc.? I wonder if that stuff was going to be filler if ABC kept dragging the show out.[/quote]
    I listened to a conference call they did in the last week with reporters from all around the world. They stated that they wanted to answer all the questions by the series finale. They don’t want to upset the fans. I am not sure if all the obscure questions will be answered directly. They want the show to stand on it’s own, no movies and no LOST2.

  57. Michael says:

    [quote comment="212568"][quote comment="212534"]

    Leonard Simms who gives Hurley the “numbers” at the pysch ward seems to suffer the exact symptoms as George Minkowski did earlier this season.
    [quote]
    Is that true? I never heard that Leonard had the symptoms of Minkowski, and if he did who was Leonard’s Constant? How did he safely make it back from his outpost tothe mental hospital?[/quote]

    _+_+_+_

    Well the symptoms can very. But if he did need a constant, could it be the numbers. That hospital seems to have a connection with the island.

  58. Michael says:

    Here’s another one to ponder. With an end date announced, do you think we will get answers about the cult like stuff that the Others were doing? Juliette’s branding as a punishment, the weird water burial, the brain washing room, etc.? I wonder if that stuff was going to be filler if ABC kept dragging the show out.

    +_+_+_+__+_+

    Question. Did anyone else find it weird that Juliet was digging a hole to bury tom. The others sent there dead on a raft, then set it on fire. With the “Things don’t stayed buried” remark, it might spark some interest.

  59. Polli Kovitch says:

    _+_+_+_

    Well the symptoms can very. But if he did need a constant, could it be the numbers. That hospital seems to have a connection with the island.[/quote]

    POLI responds:
    I like how you are thinking, Michael. The disorientation displayed by Leonard, one of the two monitors of what became island activity, reflects the intensity and disorientation that Minkowski sees. Leonard was at a hospital likely on some kind of medicine..Minkowski did not get that advantage. The ISLAND got to both of them. THE HOSPITAL..is one out of the box place. LOCKE”S mother spent time there. And, that Matthew Abbadon..not only goes to visit Hurley, but was RECRUITING the Freightors. Who does he work for? Proabably Widmore..which then connects Widmore to Santa Rosa mental facility..which then connects LIbby. mmmmm

  60. Michael says:

    Is that true? I never heard that Leonard had the symptoms of Minkowski, and if he did who was Leonard’s Constant? How did he safely make it back from his outpost tothe mental hospital?

    _+_+_+_

    Well the symptoms can very. But if he did need a constant, could it be the numbers. That hospital seems to have a connection with the island.

    __+_+_+__+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+

    Please disregard this comment.

  61. Michael says:

    [quote comment="212591"]_+_+_+_

    Well the symptoms can very. But if he did need a constant, could it be the numbers. That hospital seems to have a connection with the island.[/quote]

    POLI responds:
    I like how you are thinking, Michael. The disorientation displayed by Leonard, one of the two monitors of what became island activity, reflects the intensity and disorientation that Minkowski sees. Leonard was at a hospital likely on some kind of medicine..Minkowski did not get that advantage. The ISLAND got to both of them. THE HOSPITAL..is one out of the box place. LOCKE”S mother spent time there. And, that Matthew Abbadon..not only goes to visit Hurley, but was RECRUITING the Freightors. Who does he work for? Proabably Widmore..which then connects Widmore to Santa Rosa mental facility..which then connects LIbby. mmmmm[/quote]
    +_+_+_+_+_+_+_

    Yeah. I lot of activity there. There’s something more to that hospital. It made hurly feel fine. Matthew Abbadon makes the comment, but are you fine. That was an odd little meeting between those to. Oh and my comment to disregard may comment was directed to the “constant” part of it.

  62. Lins says:

    Just watched Season two “One of the Them” last night and there is definitely something weird going on between Danielle and Ben. When “Henry Gale” was caught up in her trap, she already knew waaaaay to much about him and was very insistent to Sayid that Benry would lie about everything.

    Also, it was interesting how, from the very beginning, Ben played mind games with Locke…he definitely has some master plan in mind when it comes to Locke, should be interesting to see how it plays out.

  63. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="213012"]Just watched Season two “One of the Them” last night and there is definitely something weird going on between Danielle and Ben. When “Henry Gale” was caught up in her trap, she already knew waaaaay to much about him and was very insistent to Sayid that Benry would lie about everything.

    Also, it was interesting how, from the very beginning, Ben played mind games with Locke…he definitely has some master plan in mind when it comes to Locke, should be interesting to see how it plays out.[/quote]
    Exactly!!

  64. Michael says:

    [quote comment="213012"]Just watched Season two “One of the Them” last night and there is definitely something weird going on between Danielle and Ben. When “Henry Gale” was caught up in her trap, she already knew waaaaay to much about him and was very insistent to Sayid that Benry would lie about everything.

    Also, it was interesting how, from the very beginning, Ben played mind games with Locke…he definitely has some master plan in mind when it comes to Locke, should be interesting to see how it plays out.[/quote]
    +_+_+_+_+_+_+_

    Re-watch the scene when Danielle, Ben and Jack look for Naomi. Her excuse for Picking up the wrong trail was odd and then her reaction to Bens comment “At least some one knows what there doing.” She seemed hurt by this comment.

  65. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="213108"][quote comment="213012"]Just watched Season two “One of the Them” last night and there is definitely something weird going on between Danielle and Ben. When “Henry Gale” was caught up in her trap, she already knew waaaaay to much about him and was very insistent to Sayid that Benry would lie about everything.

    Also, it was interesting how, from the very beginning, Ben played mind games with Locke…he definitely has some master plan in mind when it comes to Locke, should be interesting to see how it plays out.[/quote]
    +_+_+_+_+_+_+_

    Re-watch the scene when Danielle, Ben and Jack look for Naomi. Her excuse for Picking up the wrong trail was odd and then her reaction to Bens comment “At least some one knows what there doing.” She seemed hurt by this comment.[/quote]

    ++++++++++++
    Thanks…I’m not being rude, but I don’t need the rehash…I have been waiting for a couple of seasons to be proven right or wrong about her involvement with the Others (or Ben).

  66. DocH says:

    Just catching up with all of the comments across LostBlog and noted a few things. While Will’s topic seems a little spoilerish, I will say that the two “quotables” seem worthy of comment.

    1) “Frozen Donkey Wheel” ? Never heard of that one. I had heard of “Rattlesnake in a Mailbox” from last season. It implies -totally not expecting something-, which last year was the Flash Forward season finale. I think frozen donkey wheel (FDW) is a metaphor for things coming to a complete halt (time & space). In olden days, villages used to use beasts of burden (donkeys) to turn a grinding stone to mill their grain, so they could make bread. The animals were tethered, and walked in a circle to turn a grindstone, etc…. In this case, I think it implies that time, space and the “normal order” of life on LOST island breaks down. A FDW, if you will. Frozen can mean it may be unfrozen later… or… frozen may mean that it is irrevocably broken – like a ceased engine in a vehicle (Swan Hatch?).

    2) “No Place Like Home” is clearly another of the shows many references to the “Wizard of Oz”.
    With all of the fantastical things in Oz, in reality, Dorothy only had to close her eyes, click her heels and repeat the phrase a few times. I think the moral of the story was that – the ability to get what you want was WITHIN YOU the entire time – the ability; to go home again (Dorothy), courage (Lion), intelligence/brain (Scarecrow) and compassion/heart (Tinman). As a finale title, I think “No Place Like Home” tells us that the LOSTies all need to stand-up to their short-comings and become (do) what they never thought they themselves were capable of. When they do, that will be their ‘key’ to ‘going home’, or getting what they lack in life.
    ———-
    Sidebar: Kate fits as Dorothy – with the unfortunate home situation and the whirlwind that swept her to a life on the run. Sawyer fits as the TinMan – no heart, ruthlessly conning others, just now learning compassion. Jack fits as the Cowardly Lion – very animated, capable and heart-felt… just never having the real courage to do the truly right thing at the hardest of times, and make tough choices. As for ScareCrow, I vote for Locke… easily the most gullible in his previous life, now he is gaining wisdom/savvy in leaps & bounds. (ScareCrow could be Hurley too). And the Wizard, who else but Ben? Juliet = good witch or bad witch? We shall see. Nikki & Paolo… they were just a couple of flying monkeys.
    [;^)

  67. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="213431"]Just catching up with all of the comments across LostBlog and noted a few things. While Will’s topic seems a little spoilerish, I will say that the two “quotables” seem worthy of comment.

    1) “Frozen Donkey Wheel” ? Never heard of that one. I had heard of “Rattlesnake in a Mailbox” from last season. It implies -totally not expecting something-, which last year was the Flash Forward season finale. I think frozen donkey wheel (FDW) is a metaphor for things coming to a complete halt (time & space). In olden days, villages used to use beasts of burden (donkeys) to turn a grinding stone to mill their grain, so they could make bread. The animals were tethered, and walked in a circle to turn a grindstone, etc…. In this case, I think it implies that time, space and the “normal order” of life on LOST island breaks down. A FDW, if you will. Frozen can mean it may be unfrozen later… or… frozen may mean that it is irrevocably broken – like a ceased engine in a vehicle (Swan Hatch?).

    2) “No Place Like Home” is clearly another of the shows many references to the “Wizard of Oz”.
    With all of the fantastical things in Oz, in reality, Dorothy only had to close her eyes, click her heels and repeat the phrase a few times. I think the moral of the story was that – the ability to get what you want was WITHIN YOU the entire time – the ability; to go home again (Dorothy), courage (Lion), intelligence/brain (Scarecrow) and compassion/heart (Tinman). As a finale title, I think “No Place Like Home” tells us that the LOSTies all need to stand-up to their short-comings and become (do) what they never thought they themselves were capable of. When they do, that will be their ‘key’ to ‘going home’, or getting what they lack in life.
    ———-
    Sidebar: Kate fits as Dorothy – with the unfortunate home situation and the whirlwind that swept her to a life on the run. Sawyer fits as the TinMan – no heart, ruthlessly conning others, just now learning compassion. Jack fits as the Cowardly Lion – very animated, capable and heart-felt… just never having the real courage to do the truly right thing at the hardest of times, and make tough choices. As for ScareCrow, I vote for Locke… easily the most gullible in his previous life, now he is gaining wisdom/savvy in leaps & bounds. (ScareCrow could be Hurley too). And the Wizard, who else but Ben? Juliet = good witch or bad witch? We shall see. Nikki & Paolo… they were just a couple of flying monkeys.
    [;^)[/quote]Music to my ears…glad you’re back in time for the new eps.

    …and (some of) you folks thought my comments are enlightening…

  68. DocH says:

    OH !!!
    And Vincent is so totally Toto. Toto was the only ‘creature’ in Oz that knew and understood EXACTLY what was going on the entire time. He just never had the means to tell anyone.

    (They should sell ‘Jet Lag’ as a prescription drug, Hammer. Jet lag convinces you that you are lucid, but those around you think you are whacked-out. I’ll prepare for a full assault on Comment 66.)

  69. Michael says:

    [quote comment="213434"]OH !!!
    And Vincent is so totally Toto. Toto was the only ‘creature’ in Oz that knew and understood EXACTLY what was going on the entire time. He just never had the means to tell anyone.

    (They should sell ‘Jet Lag’ as a prescription drug, Hammer. Jet lag convinces you that you are lucid, but those around you think you are whacked-out. I’ll prepare for a full assault on Comment 66.)[/quote]

    +_+_+_+_+_+_

    Wow! Brovo.

    On the frozen time issue, could it be that there will be no flash backs or flash fowards? That everything they show on and off the island is happening at the same time?

  70. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="213437"][quote comment="213434"]OH !!!
    And Vincent is so totally Toto. Toto was the only ‘creature’ in Oz that knew and understood EXACTLY what was going on the entire time. He just never had the means to tell anyone.

    (They should sell ‘Jet Lag’ as a prescription drug, Hammer. Jet lag convinces you that you are lucid, but those around you think you are whacked-out. I’ll prepare for a full assault on Comment 66.)[/quote]

    +_+_+_+_+_+_

    Wow! Brovo.

    On the frozen time issue, could it be that there will be no flash backs or flash fowards? That everything they show on and off the island is happening at the same time?[/quote]

    +++++++++
    I think that is where they are taking us next Michael.

  71. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="213434"]

    (They should sell ‘Jet Lag’ as a prescription drug, Hammer. Jet lag convinces you that you are lucid, but those around you think you are whacked-out. I’ll prepare for a full assault on Comment 66.)[/quote]

    Right on.

    I like to think that I am an “outside the box” thinker…but you…you don’t even see the box!

  72. Michael says:

    [quote comment="213441"][quote comment="213437"][quote comment="213434"]OH !!!
    And Vincent is so totally Toto. Toto was the only ‘creature’ in Oz that knew and understood EXACTLY what was going on the entire time. He just never had the means to tell anyone.

    (They should sell ‘Jet Lag’ as a prescription drug, Hammer. Jet lag convinces you that you are lucid, but those around you think you are whacked-out. I’ll prepare for a full assault on Comment 66.)[/quote]

    +_+_+_+_+_+_

    Wow! Brovo.

    On the frozen time issue, could it be that there will be no flash backs or flash fowards? That everything they show on and off the island is happening at the same time?[/quote]

    +++++++++
    I think that is where they are taking us next Michael.[/quote]

    +_+_+_+_+_

    I was just wondering if that was related to the “The Frozen Donkey Wheel”. Or if those two things are completely separate?

  73. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="213431"]
    1) “Frozen Donkey Wheel” ? Never heard of that one. I had heard of “Rattlesnake in a Mailbox” from last season. It implies -totally not expecting something-, which last year was the Flash Forward season finale. I think frozen donkey wheel (FDW) is a metaphor for things coming to a complete halt (time & space). In olden days, villages used to use beasts of burden (donkeys) to turn a grinding stone to mill their grain, so they could make bread. The animals were tethered, and walked in a circle to turn a grindstone, etc…. In this case, I think it implies that time, space and the “normal order” of life on LOST island breaks down. A FDW, if you will. Frozen can mean it may be unfrozen later… or… frozen may mean that it is irrevocably broken – like a ceased engine in a vehicle (Swan Hatch?).
    [/quote]
    Brilliant sluthing(sp?). I haven’t seen anything here or elsewhere that’s this good of an idea. I am leaning towards the ability to unfreeze, as the battle for the island unfolds.

  74. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="213443"][quote comment="213441"][quote comment="213437"][quote comment="213434"]OH !!!
    And Vincent is so totally Toto. Toto was the only ‘creature’ in Oz that knew and understood EXACTLY what was going on the entire time. He just never had the means to tell anyone.

    (They should sell ‘Jet Lag’ as a prescription drug, Hammer. Jet lag convinces you that you are lucid, but those around you think you are whacked-out. I’ll prepare for a full assault on Comment 66.)[/quote]

    +_+_+_+_+_+_

    Wow! Brovo.

    On the frozen time issue, could it be that there will be no flash backs or flash fowards? That everything they show on and off the island is happening at the same time?[/quote]

    +++++++++
    I think that is where they are taking us next Michael.[/quote]

    +_+_+_+_+_

    I was just wondering if that was related to the “The Frozen Donkey Wheel”. Or if those two things are completely separate?[/quote]
    I feel that they are related. The podcast gave the hint about time/FF/FB meshing, add Doc’s idea about the FDW and there it is.

  75. Missy says:

    [quote comment="213431"]Just catching up with all of the comments across LostBlog and noted a few things. While Will’s topic seems a little spoilerish, I will say that the two “quotables” seem worthy of comment.

    1) “Frozen Donkey Wheel” ? Never heard of that one. I had heard of “Rattlesnake in a Mailbox” from last season. It implies -totally not expecting something-, which last year was the Flash Forward season finale. I think frozen donkey wheel (FDW) is a metaphor for things coming to a complete halt (time & space). In olden days, villages used to use beasts of burden (donkeys) to turn a grinding stone to mill their grain, so they could make bread. The animals were tethered, and walked in a circle to turn a grindstone, etc…. In this case, I think it implies that time, space and the “normal order” of life on LOST island breaks down. A FDW, if you will. Frozen can mean it may be unfrozen later… or… frozen may mean that it is irrevocably broken – like a ceased engine in a vehicle (Swan Hatch?).

    2) “No Place Like Home” is clearly another of the shows many references to the “Wizard of Oz”.
    With all of the fantastical things in Oz, in reality, Dorothy only had to close her eyes, click her heels and repeat the phrase a few times. I think the moral of the story was that – the ability to get what you want was WITHIN YOU the entire time – the ability; to go home again (Dorothy), courage (Lion), intelligence/brain (Scarecrow) and compassion/heart (Tinman). As a finale title, I think “No Place Like Home” tells us that the LOSTies all need to stand-up to their short-comings and become (do) what they never thought they themselves were capable of. When they do, that will be their ‘key’ to ‘going home’, or getting what they lack in life.
    ———-
    Sidebar: Kate fits as Dorothy – with the unfortunate home situation and the whirlwind that swept her to a life on the run. Sawyer fits as the TinMan – no heart, ruthlessly conning others, just now learning compassion. Jack fits as the Cowardly Lion – very animated, capable and heart-felt… just never having the real courage to do the truly right thing at the hardest of times, and make tough choices. As for ScareCrow, I vote for Locke… easily the most gullible in his previous life, now he is gaining wisdom/savvy in leaps & bounds. (ScareCrow could be Hurley too). And the Wizard, who else but Ben? Juliet = good witch or bad witch? We shall see. Nikki & Paolo… they were just a couple of flying monkeys.
    [;^)[/quote]
    ____

    Bravo – I really love how you tied it together. Being a Wizard of Ox Fan and a Lost fan – I love the stories tie together. Ben, being TMBTC would truly be Wizard. Is he good or is he evil? We have yet to find out!

    Also the dichotomy between Kansas and Oz – One place in black and white, boring the other vivid, exciting, scary, colorful. The same people from Kansas (home) show up in places and people in Oz (the Island) – Just like how all the losties are connected from their lives back at “home.” I could go on all day.

    Loved your thoughts!

  76. DocH says:

    [quote]
    On the frozen time issue, could it be that there will be no flash backs or flash fowards? That everything they show on and off the island is happening at the same time?
    [/quote]
    (Spelling tip to self – I wrote ceased engine – I meant ‘seized’ engine.)

    If what we suspect is accurate, the Electro-Magnetic effect from the Swan is retracting around the island. The freighter was at 80 miles, recently down to 40 miles, and we can assume the ‘gate’ through the bubble/anomaly is moving closer too. What happens when the bubble finally withdrawls, nearly or completely? Does outside time and island time then ‘realign? From the interview quotes in Wills’ article above, I’d say that is possible.

    Lindelof says
    [quote]
    “… where the word ‘flash’ becomes irrelevant,”
    “… if you were to switch perspectives …”
    “… either a parallel present, a possible future, a possible past, who knows.”
    “… the ‘whoosh’ noise, … where does it take you?”
    [/quote]

    Studying these key phrases, I’d say the Past is racing forward, Current time is lingering, and the Future is backing-up. When they all meet, in the last few scenes of the season finale, and realign, I think all things island, all things real-world, and all of our ‘players’ can see and interact with one another. No more special headings to get on/off the island. No more radio/communication difficulties. No more three minute rocket experiments taking thirty minutes. And (sorry) no more Whispers or apparitions.

    I think, based on what was divulged in the interview, Season 5 & 6, will not have any ‘dedicated’ FBs or FFs, just a perfectly aligned NOW. We get to see all forces, teams, etc… interacting and moving forward in time from Day #10x (100+x) to the series finale.

  77. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="213450"] And (sorry) no more Whispers or apparitions.[/quote]
    All good stuff…except they need to explain the Whisperers before they off them. It might be the big Smokey reveal coming up?

  78. Hammer says:

    Also, since we know that Jack wants to get back on the island and can’t, wouldn’t that support that the wheel gets “thawed” and things go back to being “unaligned”? Likely before the final season?

    Then maybe the Whisperers don’t need to be explained quite yet.

  79. DocH says:

    [quote]
    I was just wondering if that was related to the “The Frozen Donkey Wheel”. Or if those two things are completely separate?
    [/quote]

    I think is directly related (not separte) and that FDW is thee VERY INSTANT (very second) that all three timelines (Past, Present, Future) fall into alignment. We may get another Purple Sky incident out of it, ala the Swan Hatch implosion. No one will need a Constant anymore – because no one is out of sync.

    The FDW ‘event’ may be like rev’ing your forty year old station wagon, double clutching it and then dropping it into over-drive. All gears will mesh/align violently, some damage may occur, you’ll stall it and there will be a violent lurch, but you won’t go ahead more than a few feet. The island may do the same, in time/space thinking.

    I am with Hammer though on hoping the FDW Freeze is not a permanent one, as the battle for the island unfolds.

  80. DocH says:

    Hammer @77,78
    Totally 100% concur.
    (I go off-line to write, and did not see these until after I posted 79.)

  81. rachel says:

    honestly to explain the whispers i think that there is different levels to the island, with tunnels underneath. i believe that is how they get to places so fast and appear out of nowhere. i mean there is more to it, but i believe there is a underground and when the bodies are buried could they also have access to them, being able to do something special to keep these people alive…idk i’m just throwing it out there..

  82. Missy says:

    [quote comment="213457"][quote]
    I was just wondering if that was related to the “The Frozen Donkey Wheel”. Or if those two things are completely separate?
    [/quote]

    I think is directly related (not separte) and that FDW is thee VERY INSTANT (very second) that all three timelines (Past, Present, Future) fall into alignment. We may get another Purple Sky incident out of it, ala the Swan Hatch implosion. No one will need a Constant anymore – because no one is out of sync.

    The FDW ‘event’ may be like rev’ing your forty year old station wagon, double clutching it and then dropping it into over-drive. All gears will mesh/align violently, some damage may occur, you’ll stall it and there will be a violent lurch, but you won’t go ahead more than a few feet. The island may do the same, in time/space thinking.

    I am with Hammer though on hoping the FDW Freeze is not a permanent one, as the battle for the island unfolds.[/quote]
    __________
    Would that explain why Charlie could say he was”dead and but also here” when he visited Hurley. The past/present/future are one in the same? Very deep thinking. Love it!

  83. DocH says:

    [quote comment="213449"]
    … the dichotomy between Kansas and Oz – One place… boring… the other vivid, exciting, scary, colorful. … people from Kansas (home) show up (as) people in Oz (the Island) – Just like how all the losties are connected from their lives back at “home.”
    [/quote]
    I completely agree. There is something highly significant in that there are so many ‘connections’ between characters before Flight OA815. In fact, THAT may be the bottomline (main story) when LOST is all said and done.
    [quote comment="213460"]
    honestly, to explain the whispers i think that there is different levels to the island, with tunnels underneath. i believe that is how they get to places so fast and appear out of nowhere. i mean there is more to it, but i believe there is a underground and when the bodies are buried could they also have access to them, being able to do something special to keep these people alive…
    [/quote]
    I agree with the ‘underground’ aspect. I have always said ‘tunnels’ are the unknown factor on the island (just look at ‘The Barracks’ plan the engineers/architects drew – four main tunnels out into the jungle!). Where I will hedge my bet is that the are ‘accessing the “apparently dead” from below. BUT, there may be some merit to that thought. Remember when we saw the Hostiles/Others setting the dead adrift in the ocean, a few years back. Perhaps they have inside (ancient) knowledge on the matter, and know that burial on the island is not the best path for the dead (in Smokies domain?). The LOSTies, of course, can’t know that, and have been planting people toes-up for months. Maybe ‘burial-at-sea’ allows you to resurrect – in a good light. Charlies’ demise was off-shore… now he is helping Hurley, a good guy. Libby is on Team Michael, not such a good guy. She was sent on her way, six feet underground. Maybe Jacob is caught between the good world (ocean) and not so good world (island/smokey). Hmmm – that means Mikhail & Bonnie/Greta from the Looking Glass are on the good side, and that gal that jumped from the freighter. Eco, Ana, Boone, Shannon, etc… end up as baddies.
    [quote comment="213465"]
    Would that explain why Charlie could say he was “dead”, and, “but also here” when he visited Hurley. The past/present/future are one in the same?
    [/quote]
    Probably, but not exactly ‘one in the same’. Since the P/P/F are drifting so dangerously close to one another, maybe death in one timeline does not equal immediate death in the other two. You will certainly die in the other two timelines when all three converge during “FDW”, but… maybe you have some ‘residual’ authority or influence you can utilize in the two other timelines, the ones where you did not die… before “FDW” day/moment.

    [Just rambling here... thirty hours from now... y'all be thinking - 'what an idiot'!]
    Cheers [;^)

  84. sector7 says:

    I just listened to Dark Side of the Moon while watching Through the Looking Glass with the volume turned down!

  85. DocH says:

    [quote comment="213490"]
    I just listened to Dark Side of the Moon while watching Through the Looking Glass with the volume turned down!
    [/quote]
    Jeez! Why? The next episode of LOST is a day away. You will miss it cuz you won’t be back on THIS planet for at least another two days.

    [8^)

    (I’m jealous… I haven’t been off-planet in a long time.)

  86. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="213460"]honestly to explain the whispers i think that there is different levels to the island, with tunnels underneath. i believe that is how they get to places so fast and appear out of nowhere. i mean there is more to it, but i believe there is a underground and when the bodies are buried could they also have access to them, being able to do something special to keep these people alive…idk i’m just throwing it out there..[/quote]
    Yeah, keep the tunnels in your back pocket…didn’t smokey try to pull Locke into the ground?

  87. Polli Kovitch says:

    Why this Good and the Bad argument? Isn’t a “constant” in L O S T that there are more complexities to each of these characters. This is not a soap opera. No team sports. Even within the Freighters, the Survivors, the Others…and who knows what is next..it is not so easy to mark them. Doing so, contradicts the intention.

    Sawyer is charming and he kills. Locke is inspirational but compulsively focused ..”locked in”. Jack is a leader riddled with self-doubts. Kate is spirited and alive yet isolated. Sayid is a senstive terrorist. Ben?…mmmm he is so difficult, brilliant, manipulative and loves his daughter. Desmond shows courage and acts with impulsive passion. Charlie was self-centered yet became a martyr. Hugo was identified as insane yet often displays the most sanity in tense situations. Juliet…all complexities..she is the epitomy of LOST.

    Can’t wait for tonight…yes, some answers..but I’ll take the perplexities any time.

  88. Rita says:

    [quote comment="213671"]Why this Good and the Bad argument? Isn’t a “constant” in L O S T that there are more complexities to each of these characters. This is not a soap opera. No team sports. Even within the Freighters, the Survivors, the Others…and who knows what is next..it is not so easy to mark them. Doing so, contradicts the intention.

    Sawyer is charming and he kills. Locke is inspirational but compulsively focused ..”locked in”. Jack is a leader riddled with self-doubts. Kate is spirited and alive yet isolated. Sayid is a senstive terrorist. Ben?…mmmm he is so difficult, brilliant, manipulative and loves his daughter. Desmond shows courage and acts with impulsive passion. Charlie was self-centered yet became a martyr. Hugo was identified as insane yet often displays the most sanity in tense situations. Juliet…all complexities..she is the epitomy of LOST.

    Can’t wait for tonight…yes, some answers..but I’ll take the perplexities any time.[/quote]
    ****************************
    Yes!! 12 hours and 20 minutes to go!! Can’t wait. And yes, Polli, even your character complexity breakdowns can’t do the complexities justice. They are just more complicated than that. Like all of us, really. Human.

  89. Polli Kovitch says:

    Amen, Rita. You are right on.

  90. Hammer says:

    The USA TODAY Lost fan story submissions are on line today.

    Happy reading, I am digging the “The Diabolical Experiment” one.

  91. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="212494"][quote comment="212492"][quote comment="212473"]
    The “big” questions for me is…Who set up them all up? Leaning towards Widmore.[/quote]
    Exactly. That is the big question. But I think there can be more than 1 answer. Meaning, Widmore had people on the plane and so did Ben; and maybe not purposefully, maybe some were just by fate or luck ( although we all know “you have to create your own luck” ).
    I think it has been pretty obvious that they were on the flight for a reason.[/quote]

    ++++++++++++
    Good point, with all the time travel and spying going on. It would make sense that if one side was putting folks on the plane then the other(pun intended)side would do the same. This goes with “our” theory that Libby is a Widmore plant, Locke a “Jacob” plant, etc.[/quote]

    ++++++++
    If you read the “Dharma Chameleon” fan theory, one might think that Ms. Hawking’s group (DHARMA/Widmore) did all the setting up and planting of characters.

  92. Hammer says:

    BTW, the only way to get “spoiled” is if you read D&C’s comments about the theories…otherwise just harmless stuff like we do here.

  93. RGS says:

    At first I thought D&C were just going to sugar-coat the grades they were giving out so as to not reveal too much, thank goodness they shot down some of those theories. The only ones I gave higher than a C grade was the 6 and the Sickness and the Dharma Chameleon, only because it would take more to disprove than the other theories, which ask a person to make some pretty big leaps.

  94. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="213693"]At first I thought D&C were just going to sugar-coat the grades they were giving out so as to not reveal too much, thank goodness they shot down some of those theories. The only ones I gave higher than a C grade was the 6 and the Sickness and the Dharma Chameleon, only because it would take more to disprove than the other theories, which ask a person to make some pretty big leaps.[/quote]
    Agreed. I am bummed out that they didn’t comment on a (or my) theory that included the whispers. I guess I’ll just assume it was one of the theories that was too accurate to comment on. :P

  95. Polli Kovitch says:

    Today’s NYTIMES has an excellent article about LOST and some interesting insights about the direct influence of Stephen King and Rowlings not only on D & C but on the ABC corporate decision making structure.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/24/arts/television/24lost.html?_r=1&ref=arts&oref=slogin

  96. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="213707"]Today’s NYTIMES has an excellent article about LOST and some interesting insights about the direct influence of Stephen King and Rowlings not only on D & C but on the ABC corporate decision making structure.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/24/arts/television/24lost.html?_r=1&ref=arts&oref=slogin%5B/quote%5D

    Thanks Polli, good read.

  97. JP says:

    Stumbled across this space, and I must say, great stuff here!

    Watched the latet episode yesterday, and it got me thinking about the doctor floating ashore. Since the people replying to the morse code doesent seem to know anyting about the dead doctor..
    -could it be the island is ahead of time, so that the doctor is still to be killed on the freighter?
    I mean, that the things happening in the outside world has already happened in the island timeline.. or is this impossible?

    If so, could theere be a connection to the others burial at sea procedure, maybe sending the body back to its normal timeline or somehing..?

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