Something Nice Back Home

Jack Sick Lost Season 4

Tonight I am sure everyone will be on the edge of their seat as we wait to see if Dr. Shepherd can be saved from the perils of… Appendicitis? – with all the dangers of the Island, who would have thought a bum appendix could take out our beloved hero?!? Also, we should see if Locke’s crew has any luck finding Jacob’s cabin…

ABC’s Official Show Description

Spoiler Alert

“Kate and Juliet must learn to work together when Jack’s health is seriously compromised. Something goes wrong as Sawyer, Claire, Aaron and Miles continue their trek away from Locke’s camp and back to the beach.”

Tonight’s episode is a flash forward focused primarily on Jack, but will include Kate as well – not sure if this can live up to the adventures of Ben that we saw last week, but I am sure it will be good. Based on the episode preview, we can see that (somehow) Keamy survived the attack from smoky last week – and it’s probably safe to say he is that “something that goes wrong” for the rest of the gang as they head back to the beach.

Episode Preview

And a few sneak peeks are available here: Sneak Peek 1 | Sneak Peek 2 | Sneak Peek 3 | Sneak Peek 4

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490 Responses to Something Nice Back Home

  1. lost4ever says:

    we can see that (somehow) Keamy survived the attack from smoky last week.
    Amazing. Only on Lost.

  2. lost4ever says:

    I cheated I watched the sneak peeks. Are we allowed to discuss those?

  3. Michael says:

    [quote comment="216820"]I cheated I watched the sneak peeks. Are we allowed to discuss those?[/quote]
    +_+_+_+_+_+_+

    Can we talk about those yet?!?!?!

  4. Lins says:

    Ahhh! It’s killing me…seven hours to go here on the West Coast!

  5. Michael says:

    [quote comment="216823"]Ahhh! It’s killing me…seven hours to go here on the West Coast![/quote]
    +_+_+_+_+

    Ouch. 4 hours here in Houston.

  6. lost4ever says:

    Watch your tone, Red.

  7. Lins says:

    [quote comment="216825"]Watch your tone, Red.[/quote]

    It’s about time someone put that girl in her place!!

  8. lostfreak says:

    1)who is red?
    2)for those tivo-ing i heard the episode is going to run 1 minute over an hour.
    3)this blog went from giving almost no info about the episode to just a little too much. does anyone else agree?

    i can not wait for 1 hr and 45 mins.!!!

  9. Will says:

    [quote comment="216831"]1)who is red?
    2)for those tivo-ing i heard the episode is going to run 1 minute over an hour.
    3)this blog went from giving almost no info about the episode to just a little too much. does anyone else agree?

    i can not wait for 1 hr and 45 mins.!!![/quote]
    lostfreak – no harm intended on the episode preview; it is just one of those ep’s where the preview from last week gave away major plot points – we try to not go beyond that, but we’ll defintely be mindful moving forward

  10. sector7 says:

    Cool. A Will sighting.

  11. Will says:

    [quote comment="216854"]Cool. A Will sighting.[/quote]
    I’m around – typically blown away by the earth shattering, thought-provoking comments in these posts – mouth wide in disbelief and just trying to keep up, like everyone else I’m sure

  12. lostfreak says:

    sorry. i didn’t want to be rude i was expecting a little preview, yet got a huge one.

    still, who is red!!!!(seriously!?!)

  13. Trixanna says:

    [quote comment="216863"]sorry. i didn’t want to be rude i was expecting a little preview, yet got a huge one.

    still, who is red!!!!(seriously!?!)[/quote]
    I watched the sneak peeks… can’t wait for the real deal soon!! Someone said “Watch your tone, Red” in a sneak peek so you will have the answer soon.

  14. Michael says:

    40 minutes.

  15. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="216831"]1)who is red?
    2)for those tivo-ing i heard the episode is going to run 1 minute over an hour.
    3)this blog went from giving almost no info about the episode to just a little too much. does anyone else agree?

    i can not wait for 1 hr and 45 mins.!!![/quote]
    Thanks for the heads up.

  16. lost chicka says:

    9 minutes!!!!

    Wow, a will sighting! That’s as rare as a Boone sighting! :)

  17. omar says:

    whats up losties…ten mins in houston texas…who is red??–clue–roses are red vilots are blue, the woman with the flower name puts scientist in blues={….

  18. Previously On Lost says:

    5 minutes on the east coast whos ready!! and JAIME thanks for the correction! it WAS Rachmaninoff! Don’t tell my sister who’s been playing his pieces for 15 years she’d be disappointed ha ha

  19. omar says:

    2 more mins…..sayeed…..

  20. omar says:

    why is greys anatomy still on????

  21. omar says:

    jack n kate…i knew it..

  22. Hammer says:

    Trying to figure a timeline…this must be after the trial because Kate said “there is no us” until Jack is able to be around Aaron.

  23. Michael says:

    Yes! Claires nice couple in LA!

  24. Michael says:

    [quote comment="216913"]Trying to figure a timeline…this must be after the trial because Kate said “there is no us” until Jack is able to be around Aaron.[/quote]
    +_+_+_+_+_+

    Think its before.

  25. Michael says:

    [quote comment="216915"][quote comment="216913"]Trying to figure a timeline…this must be after the trial because Kate said “there is no us” until Jack is able to be around Aaron.[/quote]
    +_+_+_+_+_+

    Think its before.[/quote]
    +_+_+_+_+

    ANd i was wrong

  26. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="216914"]Yes! Claires nice couple in LA![/quote]
    So the psychic may not have been a fraud after all. He was persuaded to shut up about his daughter coming back to life. BTW, there were whispers in the background of the audio tape of her autopsy. :)

  27. Michael says:

    [quote comment="216922"][quote comment="216914"]Yes! Claires nice couple in LA![/quote]
    So the psychic may not have been a fraud after all. He was persuaded to shut up about his daughter coming back to life. BTW, there were whispers in the background of the audio tape of her autopsy. :)[/quote]
    +_+_+_+_+_+

    Maybe not… Have to check out that audio tape again.

  28. PJSander says:

    I guess we now know for sure that the flash forwards are NOT in reverse chronological order. That is one theory we can set aside at least!

    : ) P

  29. Michael says:

    [quote comment="216922"][quote comment="216914"]Yes! Claires nice couple in LA![/quote]
    So the psychic may not have been a fraud after all. He was persuaded to shut up about his daughter coming back to life. BTW, there were whispers in the background of the audio tape of her autopsy. :)[/quote]
    +_+_+_+_+_

    But its not meant to be Jack. Thinking Sawyer.

  30. Michael says:

    jack and Kate really are not the best candidates to be parents.

  31. Julie says:

    are you guys watching right now?

  32. Julie says:

    did Jack have a scar on his chest/stomach when he got out of bed earlier in the show?

  33. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="216928"][quote comment="216922"][quote comment="216914"]Yes! Claires nice couple in LA![/quote]
    So the psychic may not have been a fraud after all. He was persuaded to shut up about his daughter coming back to life. BTW, there were whispers in the background of the audio tape of her autopsy. :)[/quote]
    +_+_+_+_+_+

    Maybe not… Have to check out that audio tape again.[/quote]
    Not sure what you mean, but yes there were whispers during the autopsy…maybe you mean the psychic is still a fraud?

  34. Hammer says:

    Maybe I’m just seeing what I want to see, but I wonder if the whisperers are showing themselves….Charlie, Christian….

  35. Michael says:

    [quote comment="216942"][quote comment="216928"][quote comment="216922"][quote comment="216914"]Yes! Claires nice couple in LA![/quote]
    So the psychic may not have been a fraud after all. He was persuaded to shut up about his daughter coming back to life. BTW, there were whispers in the background of the audio tape of her autopsy. :)[/quote]
    +_+_+_+_+_+

    Maybe not… Have to check out that audio tape again.[/quote]
    Not sure what you mean, but yes there were whispers during the autopsy…maybe you mean the psychic is still a fraud?[/quote]
    +_+_+_+_+

    Yes the i mean the fraud.

  36. Julie says:

    did anyone notice if he had a scar?

  37. Michael says:

    Really. there gonna have Jack turn in to his dad.

  38. MLC says:

    CLAIRE!!!!!

  39. Julie says:

    NO! I don’t want Jack to turn into his dad. That would be terrible.

  40. Julie says:

    does anyone really believe that what Hurley said is true?

  41. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="216952"]NO! I don’t want Jack to turn into his dad. That would be terrible.[/quote]
    We know what he turns into from the 1st FF.

  42. omar says:

    ok that show made no sense, a waste of an episode, we didnt learn anything new other than jack has some serious problems, and what happened to claire? and what was kate doing for sawyer?

  43. Julie says:

    Which flash forward? I don’t remember…

  44. Michael says:

    [quote comment="216954"]does anyone really believe that what Hurley said is true?[/quote]
    =-=-=-=-=-=-

    NO!

  45. Julie says:

    [quote comment="216955"][quote comment="216952"]NO! I don’t want Jack to turn into his dad. That would be terrible.[/quote]
    We know what he turns into from the 1st FF.[/quote]

    Which flash forward? What does he turn into?

  46. Julie says:

    [quote comment="216956"]ok that show made no sense, a waste of an episode, we didnt learn anything new other than jack has some serious problems, and what happened to claire? and what was kate doing for sawyer?[/quote]

    I agree. I’m disappointed.

  47. lost-on-mars says:

    What the heck would Sawyer want Kate to do?

  48. Julie says:

    [quote comment="216943"]Maybe I’m just seeing what I want to see, but I wonder if the whisperers are showing themselves….Charlie, Christian….[/quote]

    You mean like the whispers are really the voices of the time travelers speaking to people living in real time?

  49. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="216959"][quote comment="216955"][quote comment="216952"]NO! I don’t want Jack to turn into his dad. That would be terrible.[/quote]
    We know what he turns into from the 1st FF.[/quote]

    Which flash forward? What does he turn into?[/quote]
    ++++++++++++
    A desperate drunken drug filled mess that can’t handle the real world anymore.

  50. Julie says:

    [quote comment="216963"]What the heck would Sawyer want Kate to do?[/quote]

    And how would he get in touch with her?

  51. lost chicka says:

    [quote comment="216956"]ok that show made no sense, a waste of an episode, we didnt learn anything new other than jack has some serious problems, and what happened to claire? and what was kate doing for sawyer?[/quote]
    i think kate was (possibly) taking care of aaron off island for him bcuz whatever happens to claire since he’s been so protective over her lately (and what’s up with her leaving aaron?).
    besides you didn’t know who red was before this either! and it’s about time somebody threatens red! go jin.

  52. RD says:

    I think Hurley was telling the truth. This seems to be some kind of a dream sequence.

  53. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="216956"]ok that show made no sense, a waste of an episode, we didnt learn anything new other than jack has some serious problems, and what happened to claire? and what was kate doing for sawyer?[/quote]

    I’m with you omar. That ep sucked! I mean… Nice to see Bernard getting more screen time, right? Maybe next week we will get a Steve centric ep. The big build up to Christian and — no answers whatsoever. Total let down!

  54. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="216956"]ok that show made no sense, a waste of an episode, we didnt learn anything new other than jack has some serious problems, and what happened to claire? and what was kate doing for sawyer?[/quote]

    I guess we were watching different episodes because while this was not a “sit on the edge of your seat” episode, I found it both entertaining and compelling.

    We learned that flash forwards do not occur in reverse chronological order.

    We learned that Kate and Jack got their happy “not quite an” ending.

    We learned how Sun and Jin will be separated.

    We learned something about Claire and Aaron’s separation.

    We learned that Miles hears whispers – perhaps they are always there, but average people only hear them on the island.

    We learned that Karl and Danielle are, indeed, dead.

    We learned that most of the freighter guys survived Smokey (I counted five, and I think Miles thought there were six).

    We learned that smoke alarm beeps sound mysteriously like the computer’s countdown beeps as it approached 108 minutes.

    We learned that Christian can appear in SOME form OFF the island.

    We learned that Charlie has appeared in SOME FORM repeatedly to Hurley.

    We saw the beginning of Jack’s downward spiral.

    We can look the S3 finale flashforward with new eyes – Kate said in THIS episode “for him” with the same tone and timbre that she said “he’s waiting” meaning that perhaps she WAS referencing Sawyer.

    So yeah… I learned a lot. Then again, Omar, I think you have had similar reactions to a number of episodes. Were I a catty person, I might say more.

    : ) P

  55. Julie says:

    [quote comment="216965"][quote comment="216959"][quote comment="216955"][quote comment="216952"]NO! I don’t want Jack to turn into his dad. That would be terrible.[/quote]
    We know what he turns into from the 1st FF.[/quote]

    Which flash forward? What does he turn into?[/quote]
    ++++++++++++
    A desperate drunken drug filled mess that can’t handle the real world anymore.[/quote]

    OMG I completely forgot. They drag this show out so much it’s easy to forget stuff.

  56. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="216964"][quote comment="216943"]Maybe I’m just seeing what I want to see, but I wonder if the whisperers are showing themselves….Charlie, Christian….[/quote]

    You mean like the whispers are really the voices of the time travelers speaking to people living in real time?[/quote]
    +++++++++++
    Well that may be, but Christian also showed himself to Claire. It might be Smokey, but my guess is that we will soon learn abaout the whispers. In the transcripts, they wanted to show themselves to the Losties, I think they are slowly doing just that.

  57. lost-on-mars says:

    Some things seem to be falling in place from this episode:

    We know at the airport when Kate says “I got to back to him”, she meant Aaron and not Sawyer.

    Why Jack is in serious disarray from the break-up.

    Miles can really hear ghosts

  58. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="216971"][quote comment="216956"]Kate said in THIS episode “for him” with the same tone and timbre that she said “he’s waiting” meaning that perhaps she WAS referencing Sawyer.[/quote]

    Jack said Sawyer chose to stay on the island.

  59. RAY says:

    [quote comment="216974"]Some things seem to be falling in place from this episode:

    We know at the airport when Kate says “I got to back to him”, she meant Aaron and not Sawyer.

    Why Jack is in serious disarray from the break-up.

    Miles can really hear ghosts[/quote]

    =====

    Another thing implied is that Jack knows that Aaron is his nephew….when he tells Kate “you aren’t even related to him.”

  60. rachel says:

    WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IS ALL I HAVE TO SAY

  61. sector7 says:

    We need to look at that box score closely. Should be able to tell us an exact date.

  62. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="216971"][quote comment="216956"]ok that show made no sense, a waste of an episode, we didnt learn anything new other than jack has some serious problems, and what happened to claire? and what was kate doing for sawyer?[/quote]

    I guess we were watching different episodes because while this was not a “sit on the edge of your seat” episode, I found it both entertaining and compelling.

    We learned that flash forwards do not occur in reverse chronological order.

    We learned that Kate and Jack got their happy “not quite an” ending.

    We learned how Sun and Jin will be separated.

    We learned something about Claire and Aaron’s separation.

    We learned that Miles hears whispers – perhaps they are always there, but average people only hear them on the island.

    We learned that Karl and Danielle are, indeed, dead.

    We learned that most of the freighter guys survived Smokey (I counted five, and I think Miles thought there were six).

    We learned that smoke alarm beeps sound mysteriously like the computer’s countdown beeps as it approached 108 minutes.

    We learned that Christian can appear in SOME form OFF the island.

    We learned that Charlie has appeared in SOME FORM repeatedly to Hurley.

    We saw the beginning of Jack’s downward spiral.

    We can look the S3 finale flashforward with new eyes – Kate said in THIS episode “for him” with the same tone and timbre that she said “he’s waiting” meaning that perhaps she WAS referencing Sawyer.

    So yeah… I learned a lot. Then again, Omar, I think you have had similar reactions to a number of episodes. Were I a catty person, I might say more.

    : ) P[/quote]
    Yep, I’m with PJ.

  63. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="216975"]Jack said Sawyer chose to stay on the island.[/quote]

    True.

    I guess we’ll find out more next week. (Or sometime in the next two years *G*.)

    : ) P

  64. lost-on-mars says:

    Who is that new, weird looking dude in the previews for next week’s show

  65. lost chicka says:

    [quote comment="216980"][quote comment="216975"]Jack said Sawyer chose to stay on the island.[/quote]

    True.

    I guess we’ll find out more next week. (Or sometime in the next two years *G*.)

    : ) P[/quote]

    don’t remind me there’s only 2 short years left!

  66. RAY says:

    [quote comment="216981"]Who is that new, weird looking dude in the previews for next week’s show[/quote]

    =====
    Good Question…

  67. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="216981"]Who is that new, weird looking dude in the previews for next week’s show[/quote]

    Sorry, L-o-M, but we don’t discuss previews here! I think that late on Thursday afternoon, once the new blog page is posted, it is less frowned upon, but otherwise *sshhhh* please!

    Many of us work hard to AVOID spoilers, including those “coming up on the next episode” previews. (Tonight’s was hard, though, because there was NO break between. I couldn’t hit the OFF button fast enough!)

    : ) P

  68. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="216981"]Who is that new, weird looking dude in the previews for next week’s show[/quote]
    No talking about previews. Save it…I am….

  69. DocH says:

    Hurley told Jack that someone was going to visit him… soon… Christian Shepherd.

    Jack catches a glimpse of dad in the hallway. Late at night he sees Dad in the waiting area, after the SMOKE alarm goes off… (HELLO – Smokey?)

    Claire sees Christian and is lured away from Sawyers’ beddown area. We’ve never seen that she knows who daddy is before – he stopped visiting when she was tiny. Jack still doesn’t that Claire is a sister… as far as we know. If he and Kate marry, then he’d be raising his nephew as his son.

    Who did Kate see that upset Jack? She admitted it was for Sawyer. The phone call where she said ‘we could meet for an hour’, that Jack overheard… I think she said it was Noreen (???) part of a moms’ group. What if it were Cassidy, mom of Sawyers’ daughter, Clementine?

    Juliet was sweet. Throwing Kate the ‘I kissed Jack’ bone. Guess Bernard learned about first-aid in the Army as well learning to shoot. Insight from Rose about how people get better on the island, not sicker.

    Lots of good anti-Charlotte sentiment this episode. Rose and Jin both. Wonder why Daniel went into fertility station first? Just cuz he likes Charlotte? or to snoop? Still not sure I trust Daniel. Don’t trust Charlotte one iota though!

    Miles deserved a smackdown too. Letting Claire wander off. But he did keep his mouth zipped when Lapidus and Keamy went marching thru. Odd to see so many mercenaries still alive after the Smokie beating.

  70. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="216986"] Odd to see so many mercenaries still alive after the Smokie beating.[/quote]
    Maybe a little odd, but we’ve seen Smokey retreat before…I think someone managed to get Smokey off of Locke once?

  71. DocH says:

    [quote comment="216976"]
    Another thing implied is that Jack knows that Aaron is his nephew….when he tells Kate “you aren’t even related to him.”
    [/quote]
    I think Jack says that is – because he helped Claire deliver the baby, not Kate! We still have not seen where Claire & Jack learn they have the same father, if they do at all.

  72. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="216986"]Hurley told Jack that someone was going to visit him… soon… Christian Shepherd.

    Jack catches a glimpse of dad in the hallway. Late at night he sees Dad in the waiting area, after the SMOKE alarm goes off… (HELLO – Smokey?)

    Claire sees Christian and is lured away from Sawyers’ beddown area. We’ve never seen that she knows who daddy is before – he stopped visiting when she was tiny. Jack still doesn’t that Claire is a sister… as far as we know. If he and Kate marry, then he’d be raising his nephew as his son.

    Who did Kate see that upset Jack? She admitted it was for Sawyer. The phone call where she said ‘we could meet for an hour’, that Jack overheard… I think she said it was Noreen (???) part of a moms’ group. What if it were Cassidy, mom of Sawyers’ daughter, Clementine?

    Juliet was sweet. Throwing Kate the ‘I kissed Jack’ bone. Guess Bernard learned about first-aid in the Army as well learning to shoot. Insight from Rose about how people get better on the island, not sicker.

    Lots of good anti-Charlotte sentiment this episode. Rose and Jin both. Wonder why Daniel went into fertility station first? Just cuz he likes Charlotte? or to snoop? Still not sure I trust Daniel. Don’t trust Charlotte one iota though!

    Miles deserved a smackdown too. Letting Claire wander off. But he did keep his mouth zipped when Lapidus and Keamy went marching thru. Odd to see so many mercenaries still alive after the Smokie beating.[/quote]
    Bernard is a D.D.S., right? He has some knowledge regarding surgeries.

    I guess the conversation is coming where Christian tells Jack Aaron is his nephew and that leads to Jack backing away more?

  73. tasha says:

    I don’t know what show everyone is watching but….

    Claire DOES know who her father is and what he looks like and Kate WAS the one that helped deliver the baby, not Jack.

  74. rachel says:

    SERIOUSLY THIS EP. LEFT ME MORE CONFUSED…BUT STILL ON THE EGDE OF MY SEAT……I DON’T GET IT AND ALOT OF THINGS WERE POINTED OUT BUT THEN IT BROUGHT UP ALOT OF QUESTIONS………HMMMMM NEXT WEEK I SUPPOSE WILL KEEP ME ENTERTAINED, BUT I NEED MY LOST FIX NOW…….I DVR IT SOOO I’M GOING TO WATCH AGAIN……….LOVE YA GUYS

  75. DocH says:

    quote comment=”216986″]
    Odd to see so many mercenaries still alive after the Smokie beating.
    [/quote]
    [quote comment="216987"][
    Maybe a little odd, but we’ve seen Smokey retreat before…I think someone managed to get Smokey off of Locke once?
    [/quote]
    Yeah… Jack tossed some unstable dynamite down the ‘vent’ that Smokey was dragging Locke in to.
    The mercs were shooting at Smokey, screaming a bit, crying, wetting themselves… you know – standard mercenary tactics. [;^)

  76. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="216988"][quote comment="216976"]
    Another thing implied is that Jack knows that Aaron is his nephew….when he tells Kate “you aren’t even related to him.”
    [/quote]
    I think Jack says that is – because he helped Claire deliver the baby, not Kate! We still have not seen where Claire & Jack learn they have the same father, if they do at all.[/quote]
    +++++++++++++
    I took it as a teaser. We thought he was going to say “…I am…” but he just stated the obvious…Kate is NOT related to Aaron.

  77. tasha says:

    The only thing I can think of that Kate can be doing for Sawyer involves his daughter. I am still wondering what it can be. Apparantly they left everyone behind and claimed that they were dead. The rest of the survivors must still be in the island. I hope jin is there and that was a just a gravestone we say Hurley and Sun visit.

  78. RAY says:

    [quote comment="216988"][quote comment="216976"]
    Another thing implied is that Jack knows that Aaron is his nephew….when he tells Kate “you aren’t even related to him.”
    [/quote]
    I think Jack says that is – because he helped Claire deliver the baby, not Kate! We still have not seen where Claire & Jack learn they have the same father, if they do at all.[/quote]

    ===
    I respectfully disagree. I think the way he says it implies that he knows that he is Aaron’s nephew. You are right in that we have not seen an episode where that is revealed. However, (it’s my theory) in that scene he already knows. Jack says, “YOU are not even related to him”….implying “like me…I’m his uncle.”

  79. mt says:

    [quote comment="216986"]Hurley told Jack that someone was going to visit him… soon… Christian Shepherd.

    Jack catches a glimpse of dad in the hallway. Late at night he sees Dad in the waiting area, after the SMOKE alarm goes off… (HELLO – Smokey?)

    Claire sees Christian and is lured away from Sawyers’ beddown area. We’ve never seen that she knows who daddy is before – he stopped visiting when she was tiny. Jack still doesn’t that Claire is a sister… as far as we know. If he and Kate marry, then he’d be raising his nephew as his son.

    Who did Kate see that upset Jack? She admitted it was for Sawyer. The phone call where she said ‘we could meet for an hour’, that Jack overheard… I think she said it was Noreen (???) part of a moms’ group. What if it were Cassidy, mom of Sawyers’ daughter, Clementine?

    Juliet was sweet. Throwing Kate the ‘I kissed Jack’ bone. Guess Bernard learned about first-aid in the Army as well learning to shoot. Insight from Rose about how people get better on the island, not sicker.

    Lots of good anti-Charlotte sentiment this episode. Rose and Jin both. Wonder why Daniel went into fertility station first? Just cuz he likes Charlotte? or to snoop? Still not sure I trust Daniel. Don’t trust Charlotte one iota though!

    Miles deserved a smackdown too. Letting Claire wander off. But he did keep his mouth zipped when Lapidus and Keamy went marching thru. Odd to see so many mercenaries still alive after the Smokie beating.[/quote]

    I thought Claire met Christian and learned he is her father after the car accident that Claire was in with her mother. Christian was at the mother’s hospital bed and told Claire he was her father, also she learned that he was covering all her mother’s medical expenses. I remember him too trying to talk to her in a shopping mall and she didn’t want anything to do with him.

  80. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="216990"]I don’t know what show everyone is watching but….

    Claire DOES know who her father is and what he looks like and Kate WAS the one that helped deliver the baby, not Jack.[/quote]

    Yes, but she doesn’t know his name.

  81. DocH says:

    [quote comment="216989"]
    Bernard is a D.D.S., right? He has some knowledge regarding surgeries.
    [/quote]
    Good catch. That slipped my mind.
    – – – –
    How about Hurley – All a dream – talking about heaven?

  82. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="216993"]quote comment=”216986″]
    Odd to see so many mercenaries still alive after the Smokie beating.
    [/quote]
    [quote comment="216987"][
    Maybe a little odd, but we’ve seen Smokey retreat before…I think someone managed to get Smokey off of Locke once?
    [/quote]
    Yeah… Jack tossed some unstable dynamite down the ‘vent’ that Smokey was dragging Locke in to.
    The mercs were shooting at Smokey, screaming a bit, crying, wetting themselves… you know – standard mercenary tactics. [;^)[/quote]
    +++++++++++++
    LMAO. But it does appear that Smokey can be twarted. If it were a perfect security system, the island would never have intruders.

  83. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="217000"][quote comment="216989"]
    Bernard is a D.D.S., right? He has some knowledge regarding surgeries.
    [/quote]
    Good catch. That slipped my mind.
    – – – –
    How about Hurley – All a dream – talking about heaven?[/quote]
    +++++++++++
    I don’t believe any of it is a dream. He is paying the price for leaving the island. So is Jack. IMO a matter of time before Kate and Sun are obessing as well.

  84. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="216996"][quote comment="216988"][quote comment="216976"]
    Another thing implied is that Jack knows that Aaron is his nephew….when he tells Kate “you aren’t even related to him.”
    [/quote]
    I think Jack says that is – because he helped Claire deliver the baby, not Kate! We still have not seen where Claire & Jack learn they have the same father, if they do at all.[/quote]

    ===
    I respectfully disagree. I think the way he says it implies that he knows that he is Aaron’s nephew. You are right in that we have not seen an episode where that is revealed. However, (it’s my theory) in that scene he already knows. Jack says, “YOU are not even related to him”….implying “like me…I’m his uncle.”[/quote]

    _____________________________
    I think in this ep Jack thinks of Aaron like a son, and finding out he is his uncle will make him feel weird (I’m thinking Springer-like) and stand-offish.

    I like the theory that Kate is doing something related to Clementine. I think that will also make Jack want to distance himself.

  85. tasha says:

    I think Charlie might be just a little jealous and that is why he told Hurley that LOL.

  86. tasha says:

    Well if Kate can’t leave the state, what would be the odds of her living wherever Clementine is? I still don’t get what she could be doing for her besides giving money. I mean…she acts like Aaron is everything but leaves him with the nanny to be doing stuff for Sawyer? It’s a little odd. My brain is fried:(

  87. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="217003"]_____________________________
    I think in this ep Jack thinks of Aaron like a son, and finding out he is his uncle will make him feel weird (I’m thinking Springer-like) and stand-offish.[/quote]
    Yeah, it looks like Jack stayed away, then changed his mind, then changes it again and separated from Kate and Aaron again. He might have known along based on Kate’s comment at in courthouse parking lot “I know why you …”

  88. DocH says:

    One thing that made me laugh, in my own warped, can’t remember a damn thing, mind. Jack sitting outside of the mental hospital in his 4-wheel drive. It was after dark, hours after his Hurley visit, he was right in front of the benches that Hurley communed with Charlie. I was wondering if his was contemplating sitting on those benches… in order to get the ‘visitor’ that Hurley said would be there soon. (?)

  89. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="217007"]One thing that made me laugh, in my own warped, can’t remember a damn thing, mind. Jack sitting outside of the mental hospital in his 4-wheel drive. It was after dark, hours after his Hurley visit, he was right in front of the benches that Hurley communed with Charlie. I was wondering if his was contemplating sitting on those benches… in order to get the ‘visitor’ that Hurley said would be there soon. (?)[/quote]
    I thought that too, then I thought he was waiting to see if Charlie showed up. Heh, heh.

  90. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="217007"] can’t remember a damn thing, mind. (?)[/quote]
    You were due…you’ve corrected us so many times…kharma. :)

  91. omar says:

    [quote comment="216971"][quote comment="216956"]ok that show made no sense, a waste of an episode, we didnt learn anything new other than jack has some serious problems, and what happened to claire? and what was kate doing for sawyer?[/quote]

    I guess we were watching different episodes because while this was not a “sit on the edge of your seat” episode, I found it both entertaining and compelling.

    We learned that flash forwards do not occur in reverse chronological order.

    We learned that Kate and Jack got their happy “not quite an” ending.

    We learned how Sun and Jin will be separated.

    We learned something about Claire and Aaron’s separation.

    We learned that Miles hears whispers – perhaps they are always there, but average people only hear them on the island.

    We learned that Karl and Danielle are, indeed, dead.

    We learned that most of the freighter guys survived Smokey (I counted five, and I think Miles thought there were six).

    We learned that smoke alarm beeps sound mysteriously like the computer’s countdown beeps as it approached 108 minutes.

    We learned that Christian can appear in SOME form OFF the island.

    We learned that Charlie has appeared in SOME FORM repeatedly to Hurley.

    We saw the beginning of Jack’s downward spiral.

    We can look the S3 finale flashforward with new eyes – Kate said in THIS episode “for him” with the same tone and timbre that she said “he’s waiting” meaning that perhaps she WAS referencing Sawyer.

    So yeah… I learned a lot. Then again, Omar, I think you have had similar reactions to a number of episodes. Were I a catty person, I might say more.

    : ) P[/quote]

    Are we watching the same show??? MOst of things we had ALREADY learned from previous ep!!!!!!

  92. lost chicka says:

    i don’t think jack changes his mind again, i think kate will kick him out (in the ff).

    good catch on the smoke alarm and smokey DocH (c69.

    tasha (c73): whew, i was starting to worry i wasn’t watching the right show. ;) (c85) you’re probably right, he got jealous when locke was hanging out with aaron and claire so jack would make even more sense. lol

  93. sector7 says:

    Nice star wars plug with the millennium falcon.

    Looks like the sox article was written by gregg wilson. No reference on google. Probably the LA Times, right? I dunno — they probably just made it up.

  94. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="217008"]I thought that too, then I thought he was waiting to see if Charlie showed up. Heh, heh.[/quote]

    Heck, *I* was waiting for Charlie to show up! I expected him to open the door and get in the car!

    : ) P

  95. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="217012"]Nice star wars plug with the millennium falcon.

    Looks like the sox article was written by gregg wilson. No reference on google. Probably the LA Times, right? I dunno — they probably just made it up.[/quote]
    There is/was a writer for the New York Daily News named Greg Wilson. But he does/did political news including an article about the new Yankeee stadium. Don’t know if it’s significant.

  96. DocH says:

    I am thinking more and more that the clandestine Kate meeting was about Sawyers’ kid Clementine. Kate and Cassady did have a pre-island connection..

    We last see James holding an abandoned child in the middle of nowhere. Now he is daddy James… always had parent issues… lost his folks early on… no child left behind James.

    Maybe his ultimate ‘redemption’ is resolving that no child should grow up without a parent/parents, so they don’t wind-up like him.

    If Christian does represent the island, maybe Aaron was supposed to stay on the island, as the new Jacob. And what was said or done to Claire that she would EVER leave Aaron in the tree trunks… Those trunks look like the ones that people hide from, or are protective of, Smokey.

  97. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="217010"]Are we watching the same show??? MOst of things we had ALREADY learned from previous ep!!!!!![/quote]

    I respectfully disagree, Omar. We SUSPECTED a lot of those things from previous shows, but they were not confirmed until tonight. This episode gave us a lot more pieces to the puzzle and gave us the chance to put some theories to rest.

    : ) P

  98. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="217015"]I am thinking more and more that the clandestine Kate meeting was about Sawyers’ kid Clementine. Kate and Cassady did have a pre-island connection..

    We last see James holding an abandoned child in the middle of nowhere. Now he is daddy James… always had parent issues… lost his folks early on… no child left behind James.

    Maybe his ultimate ‘redemption’ is resolving that no child should grow up without a parent/parents, so they don’t wind-up like him.

    If Christian does represent the island, maybe Aaron was supposed to stay on the island, as the new Jacob. And what was said or done to Claire that she would EVER leave Aaron in the tree trunks… Those trunks look like the ones that people hide from, or are protective of, Smokey.[/quote]
    I took it as Christian showed Claire “the way” and she had to make sure Aaron got off the island. The psychic originally said she had to raise the Aaron herself, then IMO someone persuaded him to take Aaron to LA. Maybe Christian helped her see fate?

  99. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="217016"][quote comment="217010"]Are we watching the same show??? MOst of things we had ALREADY learned from previous ep!!!!!![/quote]

    I respectfully disagree, Omar. We SUSPECTED a lot of those things from previous shows, but they were not confirmed until tonight. This episode gave us a lot more pieces to the puzzle and gave us the chance to put some theories to rest.

    : ) P[/quote]
    +++++++++++++
    Sometimes the show has to slow down and just give us some info to tie up loose ends in order to move forward. It’s another chapter we need. It wasn’t an awesome break neck speed episode, but riveting and needed.

  100. DocH says:

    [quote comment="217010"]
    Are we watching the same show??? MOst of things we had ALREADY learned from previous ep!!!!!![/quote]
    I agree to some extent. But I don’t think they actually told us what you suggest we learned before… we just assumed we knew what we learned. Tonight they “TOLD” us what they taught us(confirmation). I think they did it so we could terminate some of our collective theories. NOW, we have more focus and can concentrate and extrapolate on all of the new revelations they are getting to cram down our throats in the last 4 hours of the season – 4 hours that will have to get us thru to Jan 09.

  101. sector7 says:

    Best thing abt this ep was Kate in her panties.

  102. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="217019"]4 hours that will have to get us thru to Jan 09.[/quote]

    Hyper

    ventilating

    can’t

    catch

    my breath

    AGGHHH!

    : ) P

  103. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="217014"][quote comment="217012"]Nice star wars plug with the millennium falcon.

    Looks like the sox article was written by gregg wilson. No reference on google. Probably the LA Times, right? I dunno — they probably just made it up.[/quote]
    There is/was a writer for the New York Daily News named Greg Wilson. But he does/did political news including an article about the new Yankeee stadium. Don’t know if it’s significant.[/quote]

    _____________________
    I’m trying to get us a date reference from that article. When did the Yankees bludgeon the Sox in a series? Has to be ’05, ’06, or ’07. What matchup during those years was a Yankee bludgeoning? I’ve been surfing trying to find something… Any baseball geeks out there?

  104. lost chicka says:

    [quote comment="217020"]Best thing abt this ep was Kate in her panties.[/quote]
    such a guy (rolling my eyes)….

  105. Hammer says:

    Bedtime for Bonzo. Gotta drive to Milwaukee from D-Town tomorrow. I’ll be checking in on laptop w/at&t broadband (gotta get my Lost fix).

    But, I leave you with this to ponder….
    (think Tattoo from Fantasy Island)the Whisperers are coming, the Whisperers are coming.

  106. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="217022"]_____________________
    I’m trying to get us a date reference from that article. When did the Yankees bludgeon the Sox in a series? Has to be ’05, ’06, or ’07. What matchup during those years was a Yankee bludgeoning? I’ve been surfing trying to find something… Any baseball geeks out there?[/quote]
    Shhhhhhhhh, trying to sleep.

    I half tried, but gotta go to bed. Look for series sweeps between 04 and 08, may have happened more than once. August 07 is the latest one I think….

  107. tasha says:

    I saw this elsewhere….but i had to say something. That IS a creepy picture hanging on the wall at their house when Kate is in her panties!!! I just showed my husband. Wonder if there is a significance….

  108. DocH says:

    [quote comment="217020"]
    Best thing abt this ep was …
    [/quote]
    [quote comment="217023"]
    such a guy (rolling my eyes)….
    [/quote]
    This is where you jab back about Jack rolling out of bed and (barely) wrapping a towel around his waist.

    About that, my recorder crumped and I am without replay… Did any notice if Jack had an appendectomy scar in his FF?

  109. tasha says:

    DocH….I saw some screen caps and he had a scar.

  110. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="217027"][quote comment="217022"]_____________________
    I’m trying to get us a date reference from that article. When did the Yankees bludgeon the Sox in a series? Has to be ’05, ’06, or ’07. What matchup during those years was a Yankee bludgeoning? I’ve been surfing trying to find something… Any baseball geeks out there?[/quote]
    Shhhhhhhhh, trying to sleep.

    I half tried, but gotta go to bed. Look for series sweeps between 04 and 08, may have happened more than once. August 07 is the latest one I think….[/quote]
    +++++++
    There was a 5 game sweep in August 06 that is considered a major whoopin’. Nothing really in 04 or 05 that I can find.

    Now let me sleep. Check back tomorrow….snoring….

  111. i-heard-eric says:

    first off…kate’s body! WOW! and producers were showing it off in this ep. and did i hear a lisp from her?

    second…am i in the minority when i say that i wanted kate to end up with sawyer. i think the writers are making a huge mistake if kate ends up with jack.

    and jack does not know that aaron is his nephew…AND doesn’t it seem like the first FF happened after this season’s FF??? looks like he’s still got his practice and he’s doing well…and i think meeting with CS will send him into the condition we saw him in in the first FF.

    another strange but weird theory…anyone notice when miles says to sawyer “what are you her brother…?” talking about sawyer and claire…THAT i thought was strange…and i started thinking fight clubish (did i lose ya’ll???)….very very strange by the writers…cuz we were all like “no, you doofus he’s not her brother he’s taking her to her brother…”…

    and my theory about claire is that she’s gone…as in boone gone and that hot blonde gone…

    elephant in the room for this season has been “why are the scientists there…what is red doing there? she has served no purpose so far…the only person with a big question mark…”

    i didn’t like this episode much but we needed an episode or two like this one to bring up more questions…rember we still got 2 years to go…so we can’t have answers every ep.

  112. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="216844"][quote comment="216831"]1)who is red?
    2)for those tivo-ing i heard the episode is going to run 1 minute over an hour.
    3)this blog went from giving almost no info about the episode to just a little too much. does anyone else agree?

    i can not wait for 1 hr and 45 mins.!!![/quote]
    lostfreak – no harm intended on the episode preview; it is just one of those ep’s where the preview from last week gave away major plot points – we try to not go beyond that, but we’ll defintely be mindful moving forward[/quote]
    ————
    Sorry if I broke the rules ( unlike Widmore who just “changed them” ).

  113. ALLAN says:

    I THINK THE WEIRD LOOKING DUDE IS JACOB. HE SAID HE’S BEEN DEAD FOR 12 YEARS!

  114. GUP says:

    Hammer- please stop in Kenosha on your way either to or from Milw for a LAA meeting!

  115. wish i were lost says:

    I loved how Aaron is found at that same tree we have seen before so many times before. I don’t know what the symbolism is but something happens at that spot. I know that was the first place we saw Smokey. I think that’s were Charlie was hung as well.

  116. kathy says:

    First time posting long time reader.
    I thought it very strange that Miles was able to hear Karl & Danielle and find their bodies but when Sawyer asked Miles in the morning about Clair he did not seem to say he SAW anyone. I realize that Christian said nothing and it seems Miles can only hear the dead. But does this mean that people who die on the Island because of the time difference are not dead until they catch up to the off island time? Christian died a few days before the crash and if the time is different then he maybe has not died and therefore Miles cannot commutate with them? Im confused cause Karl & Danielle both died on the island and so did Naomi and he was able to hear them. But why not Christian? I think there is something going on here.

  117. Uzuri says:

    [quote comment="216966"][quote comment="216963"]What the heck would Sawyer want Kate to do?[/quote]

    And how would he get in touch with her?[/quote]

    I think he probably told her before they left. It sounded like Jack was saying that people *were* left on the island…

  118. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="217039"]I THINK THE WEIRD LOOKING DUDE IS JACOB. HE SAID HE’S BEEN DEAD FOR 12 YEARS![/quote]

    Allan, please read the blog rules. No preview talk dude. Might help to watch season 3.

  119. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="217138"]I loved how Aaron is found at that same tree we have seen before so many times before. I don’t know what the symbolism is but something happens at that spot. I know that was the first place we saw Smokey. I think that’s were Charlie was hung as well.[/quote]

    I don’t know — I kind of think that’s just a convenient place for them to shoot a scene.

  120. deangoodes says:

    I disagree with the majority of bloggers about the group of Lapidus, Miles, Daniel, and Charlotte. They did not come to the island to help the Losties, but they have no intention of harming them either. I trust all of them with making the right decisions when facing life or death situations. In this episode, both Lapidus and Miles did that. And in the past episodes Daniel has done that as well. Charlotte seems a bit on the grumpy side, but underneath she has a big heart that I feel will be revealed in her flashback episode.

    I believe by the comments Jack made about Kate not even being related to Aaron he revealed he knows he is Aaron’s uncle.

    My thoughts on Jin making sure Charlotte take back Sun on the chopper: First, he wants to take care of Sun and the baby. Second, he feels he needs to be on the island to protect those still left behind. I think he realizes not everyone can get off the island at the same time and he has good survival skills.

  121. Uzuri says:

    [quote comment="216986"]
    Lots of good anti-Charlotte sentiment this episode. Rose and Jin both. Wonder why Daniel went into fertility station first? Just cuz he likes Charlotte? or to snoop? Still not sure I trust Daniel. Don’t trust Charlotte one iota though!
    [/quote]

    _____
    I always yell at the TV about how come no one forces them to talk!! The Losties always let the subject drop. I forgot what the instance was this epi but Daniel’s always on the verge of spilling but then doesn’t. I know we probably won’t get answers until next season ::rolls eyes::, but come on! Oh, yeah, it was when Charlotte was like, they think we’re killers, so might as well play the part. I was so happy Daniel shot her down because that was such a lame thing to say. Stop keeping secrets and people might actually start to trust you. And then Miles was like, I didn’t sign up for this. How come Sawyer didn’t demand to know what exactly he did sign up for?? Ugh!

  122. Sip says:

    [quote comment="217028"]I saw this elsewhere….but i had to say something. That IS a creepy picture hanging on the wall at their house when Kate is in her panties!!! I just showed my husband. Wonder if there is a significance….[/quote]

    Looks like a man standing alone in or next to water…with his reflection (only his refelction is upside down). I’m sure it was some tiny hint about something…..obviously Kate made a comment about Jack saying nice things about his dad in front of the painting. The black (smokey) man in the painting could just be another finger pointed at Christian and the smoke monster. We saw another reference when the smoke alarm battery was dying and Christian appeared. Or maybe it is just really bad art and cheap batteries.

  123. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="217139"]First time posting long time reader.
    I thought it very strange that Miles was able to hear Karl & Danielle and find their bodies but when Sawyer asked Miles in the morning about Clair he did not seem to say he SAW anyone. I realize that Christian said nothing and it seems Miles can only hear the dead. But does this mean that people who die on the Island because of the time difference are not dead until they catch up to the off island time? Christian died a few days before the crash and if the time is different then he maybe has not died and therefore Miles cannot commutate with them? Im confused cause Karl & Danielle both died on the island and so did Naomi and he was able to hear them. But why not Christian? I think there is something going on here.[/quote]

    I think Miles did see CS because he said “She wasn’t alone” and “I would have followed them…”. I think its just that no conversation (verbally or mentally) occured between Miles and CS.

  124. JohnCML says:

    Ok, so maybe I was looking too hard. But did I notice that when Jack went to visit Hurley, that the door was locked from the OUTSIDE? The doctor had to let Jack INTO the room with a card/code. But Jack just opened the door to leave. If a psych ward, they would lock Hurley IN the room. Sometimes they are locked from the hallway also, but they wouldn’t want the “patients” to just wander. Who is locking who from whom?

  125. docjock says:

    The Kate/Jack/Sawyer plotline is in the ditch.

    I prefer the sci-fi items – secret of the island, Valenzetti numbers, etc., but the “love triangle” is always intriguing. Unfortunately, I think they overplayed their hand in season two. I’m not advocating for pablum, but there are certain storytelling parameters and audience trust issues that they have disregarded, and it has taken the legs out of this particular “soap” plotline, for me anyway.

    When they allowed Sawyer and Kate to have a real relationship, cages and beyond, Jack’s furtive fawnings for Kate made him seem pathetic, petty and dislikeable, and her switch back to Jack makes Kate look like the town bicycle. Essentially, the writers have betrayed the Sawyer character, a character they spent quite bit of effort enriching. Seems foolish.

    Oh well, it’s just dressing.

    * Valenzetti – end of the world – safe haven – Aaron is the key

  126. Lar says:

    Did anyone else crack up when Sawyer called Miles “Donger”? Best line of the night

  127. Uzuri says:

    [quote comment="217150"]The Kate/Jack/Sawyer plotline is in the ditch.

    I prefer the sci-fi items – secret of the island, Valenzetti numbers, etc., but the “love triangle” is always intriguing. Unfortunately, I think they overplayed their hand in season two. I’m not advocating for pablum, but there are certain storytelling parameters and audience trust issues that they have disregarded, and it has taken the legs out of this particular “soap” plotline, for me anyway.

    When they allowed Sawyer and Kate to have a real relationship, cages and beyond, Jack’s furtive fawnings for Kate made him seem pathetic, petty and dislikeable, and her switch back to Jack makes Kate look like the town bicycle. Essentially, the writers have betrayed the Sawyer character, a character they spent quite bit of effort enriching. Seems foolish.

    Oh well, it’s just dressing.

    * Valenzetti – end of the world – safe haven – Aaron is the key[/quote]

    I don’t know. Call me girlie but I don’t mind the triangle. I just don’t like that Kate’s seemingly playing Sawyer because I love Sawyer. But I like Kate and Jack together. Well, not the unhappily ever after part their future seems to take on. But I think it does still bring something to the storyline. Granted, I am more interested in learning more about the sci-fi mysteries of the island but I don’t mind the Jack/Kate/Sawyer thing-for now anyways. I’m just glad Juliet’s out of the rhombus.

  128. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="217032"][quote comment="217027"][quote comment="217022"]_____________________
    I’m trying to get us a date reference from that article. When did the Yankees bludgeon the Sox in a series? Has to be ’05, ’06, or ’07. What matchup during those years was a Yankee bludgeoning? I’ve been surfing trying to find something… Any baseball geeks out there?[/quote]
    Shhhhhhhhh, trying to sleep.

    I half tried, but gotta go to bed. Look for series sweeps between 04 and 08, may have happened more than once. August 07 is the latest one I think….[/quote]
    +++++++
    There was a 5 game sweep in August 06 that is considered a major whoopin’. Nothing really in 04 or 05 that I can find.

    Now let me sleep. Check back tomorrow….snoring….[/quote]

    ___________________________________
    August ’06. Nice work, Hammer. Was A-Rod a major factor?

    That time frame makes sense going by the apparent age of Aaron.

    If we determine this is the time frame, what else does this tell us?

  129. wally p says:

    Hey, usually theres 100 more pages of comments to read, whats up!? I’ve got hours left here at work. ANYWAY… long time reader, first time poster… any one catch the sweet peaks at kates limbs last night? Yeow!
    Besides that, I believe the love triangle and the sci-fi aspect are about to meet head on. Think about what Hurley said about being dead, and about how Jack isn’t supposed to take care of “him” (aaron?)
    What caught my attention was Jack saying to Kate “I’m the one who’s here.” (etc.)
    Remember Charlie said “yes, I’m dead… but I’m also here.”

    Not sure where I’m going here exactly, but I’m always intrigued by the wandering dead aspect. Dead who don’t know they are dead. Perhaps a seemingly well done appendix operation, didn’t turn out so well after all?

    Man, Kate does have amazing legs though :)

  130. GuttahMan says:

    Good Ep, not a great one but it still answered some questions that were in the back of my mind…did anyone notice that Jack had another Tattoo on the underside of his arm? Has that always been there or is that new??

  131. Lins says:

    Why did Jack say to Kate that he’s the one that saved her?

    So this is post-Kate’s trial and pre-Jack with a beard…but where does the flash forward from earlier in the season with Hurley fit in? The one where they played horse? I’m assuming it’s after that since Hurley still seemed pretty normal then.

    Rose’s comment to Bernard was interesting about how people get better on the island, not sick. Maybe only people who are chosen, who are meant to be there get better and the people the island are trying to get rid of get sick.

    I’m still confused about what exactly Charlotte and Dan and Miles are all doing there and why they were hand picked by Abbadon to go on the mission with Naomi. If their mission was really to get Ben, it seems like Keamy and crew could have taken care of that…why did they really need a physicist and an anthropologist? I can see needing Dan to shut off the gas, but he seems pretty useless after that and Charlotte hasn’t done anything except be rude and complain.

  132. Lucky says:

    I remember an episode where Sawyer tells Kate about his daughter and says he has some money he wants Kate to transfer to Clementine. Anyone else remember that?

  133. black rock n roller says:

    Hurley sees Charlie, Jack sees his Dad who else from O6 will start seeing dead people who they never resovled issues with???

  134. docjock says:

    Dan is there to chart the course/deal with the time shift.

    Miles is there to speak/commune with Jacob.

    Charlotte is there to decipher the Temple, et al.

  135. Lins says:

    [quote comment="217163"]Dan is there to chart the course/deal with the time shift.

    Miles is there to speak/commune with Jacob.

    Charlotte is there to decipher the Temple, et al.[/quote]

    I can see where you’re coming from…I guess it would make more sense if they actually seemed like they were doing something instead of just sitting around Camp Jack and lying to everyone. With the exception of Daniel and Frank, they don’t seem like they’re doing their job. Hopefully we’ll get to see what they’re really there for soon!

  136. docjock says:

    re: the triangle

    It’s not the triangle I mind, it’s what I perceive as a storytelling flaw in the execution of the device, and what they are asking of the viewers in regard to “camping” with the three.

  137. adriennez says:

    Who was Kate on the phone with?…were the writers just trying to show Jack’s paranoia? Was the person she was talking to the same him she had to get back to from the airport in last season’s finale? Is it Ben?

    In last week’s episode with Ben and Sayid, he was obviously playing on Sayid emotions to manipulate him to do his work…that creepy smile after they talked in the alley-thing. Maybe Ben is somehow manipulating Kate to do his bidding also.

  138. adriennez says:

    I thought it was pretty cool when Miles heard the whispers in the jungle…it did not really freak him out like it did other people…I guess the ghost whisperer thing let him to understand what the jungle whispers were trying to tell them…and I think he said that he could see Christian, right?

  139. adriennez says:

    It is so tough not being able to discuss previews here…I know who the “weird guy” is…was pretty sure and confirmed it for myself on Lostpedia.com…anyway enough of that!

  140. Lins says:

    [quote comment="217167"]I thought it was pretty cool when Miles heard the whispers in the jungle…it did not really freak him out like it did other people…I guess the ghost whisperer thing let him to understand what the jungle whispers were trying to tell them…and I think he said that he could see Christian, right?[/quote]

    I don’t know that he heard the actual whispers that other Losties have heard before. They were much more audible than previous whispers and you could tell it sounded more like a re-play of what happened to Danielle and Karl instead of someone or something trying to communicate something with him. I think maybe just since he has a special connection to the dead and they were basically standing right on top of their graves that he was able to hear them and hear how they died…kind of like he did with Naomi.

  141. tasha says:

    [quote comment="217161"]I remember an episode where Sawyer tells Kate about his daughter and says he has some money he wants Kate to transfer to Clementine. Anyone else remember that?[/quote]

    I don’t remember an episode where he told Kate that but I could be wrong.

  142. tasha says:

    [quote comment="217158"]Hey, usually theres 100 more pages of comments to read, whats up!? I’ve got hours left here at work. ANYWAY… long time reader, first time poster… any one catch the sweet peaks at kates limbs last night? Yeow!
    Besides that, I believe the love triangle and the sci-fi aspect are about to meet head on. Think about what Hurley said about being dead, and about how Jack isn’t supposed to take care of “him” (aaron?)
    What caught my attention was Jack saying to Kate “I’m the one who’s here.” (etc.)
    Remember Charlie said “yes, I’m dead… but I’m also here.”

    Not sure where I’m going here exactly, but I’m always intrigued by the wandering dead aspect. Dead who don’t know they are dead. Perhaps a seemingly well done appendix operation, didn’t turn out so well after all?

    Man, Kate does have amazing legs though :)[/quote]

    Yeah maybe….it’s only their mind at the island or back in civilization. Isn’t that what happened to Desmond and what Daniel was doing. He didn’t physically send the rat in the future. Just the mind. At this point it can be anything.

  143. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="217168"]It is so tough not being able to discuss previews here…I know who the “weird guy” is…was pretty sure and confirmed it for myself on Lostpedia.com…anyway enough of that![/quote]
    Yes, but we have to stay away from temptation, my wife didn’t forgot who he is too.

  144. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="217137"]Hammer- please stop in Kenosha on your way either to or from Milw for a LAA meeting![/quote]
    If I get a weak moment, I’ll pop in. :)

  145. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="217152"]Did anyone else crack up when Sawyer called Miles “Donger”? Best line of the night[/quote]
    Yes and I LMAO.

  146. PJSander says:

    Juliet telling Kate about the kiss with Jack and how it was for him was a good nod to the total lack of chemistry during that kiss. I thought it was bad acting, but now I see that perhaps it was intentional.

    I believe the order of the Jack/Hurley/Kate flash forwards are

    Kate’s trial
    Jack & Hurley play horse and Charlie visits Hurley
    Jack & Kate get engaged and Jack visit Hurley
    Jack & Kate meet at the airport

    : ) P

  147. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="217161"]I remember an episode where Sawyer tells Kate about his daughter and says he has some money he wants Kate to transfer to Clementine. Anyone else remember that?[/quote]
    Sounds familiar to me, but I haven’t found it. All I can find is this about the money:
    After learning the location of Munson’s stolen $10 million and turning the information over to the Treasury Department, Sawyer instructs Agent Freedman to use Sawyer’s commission to open an account in any Albuquerque bank under the name of Clementine Phillips.

  148. adriennez says:

    I did some baseball research..we are a bunch of baseball nuts in this family…Boston beat the NY Yankees in the 2004(flight 815 crash year)American League Championship…they went on to beat the St.Louis Cardinals to break “the curse of the Bambino” and win the 2004 World Series. I guess this was the tape that Ben showed to Jack when he was the Others prisoner. The American League championship took place from Oct.12 to Oct.21 and the 2004 World Series was played Oct.23 to Oct.27. Flight 815 disappeared on Sept.22 2004.

    Here is something coincidentally weird…2004 was ARod’s first season with the Yankees…Yankess third basemen Aaron Boone(!)had suffered an injury and there was an opening at third base so he agreed to switch positions from shortstop(which was Derek Jeter’s position). ARod set a bunch of new records with the Yankees that season. Jack says something about ARod when he is looking at the newspaper.

    I guess some kind of time travel thing would have had to happen for this to have been all happening in 2004…

    I am still a little confused on the flash forwards…last season’s finale flash forwards with Jack and Kate seem to have taken place after the ones which we saw last night.

    I cannot remember exactly what the newspaper article Jack was reading said…does anyone else?

  149. PJSander says:

    I had a thought about Sawyer and the island. I think it is possible that Sawyer got off the island and is living in secrecy (a la Michael/Kevin). Maybe Kate knows Sawyer is off island but Jack does not. In that case, it is possible that Sawyer and Kate are in contact, both on the phone and in person.

    : ) P

  150. spiralturtle says:

    Three things:

    1. I saw at least two references to Jack’s control issues – once during the appendectomy and also when he is quesitioning Kate about who she visited. The tight shot on her face during the latter scene hints that she is finally realizing Jack has a major character flaw.

    2. Hurley’s dilemma is yet another example of the living/dead theme. I remember in the very first season, one of the theories of the show was that everyone died in the plane crash but not everyone realizes it.

    But Hurley also questioned whether they were dreams and questioned reality itself, which remind me of Buddist philosphy. So, yet another religious theme!!

    3. Lastly, there were at least two tight camera shots on the Millenium Falcon. Does anyone have an idea what this might mean, other than the obvious allusion to space travel?

  151. adriennez says:

    [quote comment="217169"][quote comment="217167"]I thought it was pretty cool when Miles heard the whispers in the jungle…it did not really freak him out like it did other people…I guess the ghost whisperer thing let him to understand what the jungle whispers were trying to tell them…and I think he said that he could see Christian, right?[/quote]

    I don’t know that he heard the actual whispers that other Losties have heard before. They were much more audible than previous whispers and you could tell it sounded more like a re-play of what happened to Danielle and Karl instead of someone or something trying to communicate something with him. I think maybe just since he has a special connection to the dead and they were basically standing right on top of their graves that he was able to hear them and hear how they died…kind of like he did with Naomi.[/quote]

    The whispers were more audible because of his abilities…maybe that is what the whispers are…replaying something that happened at another time…that is what I was trying to say. We do not really know yet what they are but that a few different people have heard them and they usually seem to come right before an “other” pops up in the jungle.

  152. jaime says:

    O.k…i just have to say i was wrong wrong wrong. I sat there last night after the ep realizing that sometimes I get distracted from the simplicity of the show. I create these complicated theories in my head and I let them build and build. If Jack/Kate was in fact the spectacular kiss we have been hearing about, then i was way off base. I just assumed that it was to easy to think it could be them.
    I guess LAA isn’t working for me…maybe i need to go to Santa Rosa :)

  153. Bailey Loves Lost says:

    [quote comment="217184"]Three things:

    1. I saw at least two references to Jack’s control issues – once during the appendectomy and also when he is quesitioning Kate about who she visited. The tight shot on her face during the latter scene hints that she is finally realizing Jack has a major character flaw.

    2. Hurley’s dilemma is yet another example of the living/dead theme. I remember in the very first season, one of the theories of the show was that everyone died in the plane crash but not everyone realizes it.

    But Hurley also questioned whether they were dreams and questioned reality itself, which remind me of Buddist philosphy. So, yet another religious theme!!

    3. Lastly, there were at least two tight camera shots on the Millenium Falcon. Does anyone have an idea what this might mean, other than the obvious allusion to space travel?[/quote]

    What is the Millenium Falcon? Is that the toy that Jack stepped on in the beginning of the episode?

  154. adriennez says:

    Another thought…a couple of episodes ago…Ji-Yeon…Hurley flies to Korea to see Sun and the baby and attend Jin’s memorial…he was together enough at that point to get in a plane and fly across the world but in last night’s episode he seemed pretty loopy…

  155. spiralturtle says:

    3. Lastly, there were at least two tight camera shots on the Millenium Falcon. Does anyone have an idea what this might mean, other than the obvious allusion to space travel?[/quote]

    Oh! I got this from Lostpedia: Luke Skywalker was raised by an uncle (Jack/Aaron), and Luke and Leah didn’t know they were brother and sister.

  156. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="217182"]I did some baseball research..we are a bunch of baseball nuts in this family…Boston beat the NY Yankees in the 2004(flight 815 crash year)American League Championship…they went on to beat the St.Louis Cardinals to break “the curse of the Bambino” and win the 2004 World Series. I guess this was the tape that Ben showed to Jack when he was the Others prisoner. The American League championship took place from Oct.12 to Oct.21 and the 2004 World Series was played Oct.23 to Oct.27. Flight 815 disappeared on Sept.22 2004.

    Here is something coincidentally weird…2004 was ARod’s first season with the Yankees…Yankess third basemen Aaron Boone(!)had suffered an injury and there was an opening at third base so he agreed to switch positions from shortstop(which was Derek Jeter’s position). ARod set a bunch of new records with the Yankees that season. Jack says something about ARod when he is looking at the newspaper.

    I guess some kind of time travel thing would have had to happen for this to have been all happening in 2004…

    I am still a little confused on the flash forwards…last season’s finale flash forwards with Jack and Kate seem to have taken place after the ones which we saw last night.

    I cannot remember exactly what the newspaper article Jack was reading said…does anyone else?[/quote]
    The headline was Yankees blugeon Red Sox in series sweep.

  157. spiralturtle says:

    [quote comment="217185"][quote comment="217169"][quote comment="217167"]I thought it was pretty cool when Miles heard the whispers in the jungle…it did not really freak him out like it did other people…I guess the ghost whisperer thing let him to understand what the jungle whispers were trying to tell them…and I think he said that he could see Christian, right?[/quote]

    I don’t know that he heard the actual whispers that other Losties have heard before. They were much more audible than previous whispers and you could tell it sounded more like a re-play of what happened to Danielle and Karl instead of someone or something trying to communicate something with him. I think maybe just since he has a special connection to the dead and they were basically standing right on top of their graves that he was able to hear them and hear how they died…kind of like he did with Naomi.[/quote]

    The whispers were more audible because of his abilities…maybe that is what the whispers are…replaying something that happened at another time…that is what I was trying to say. We do not really know yet what they are but that a few different people have heard them and they usually seem to come right before an “other” pops up in the jungle.[/quote]

    Good points — I’ll add that there is believe to be a phenomenon called a psychic imprint, where if something tragic happened, the energy created by the event can stay in place and “replay”. So Miles may have heard the psychic imprint.

    Off subject here, I have a stupid question — what’s a donger?

  158. Bailey Loves Lost says:

    Sawyer has become so protective over Hurley (last week’s episode) and Claire and Aaron. I was watching some episodes from Season 1 and he has come such a long way. Do y’all have any idea what might have triggered him to become so protective?

  159. adriennez says:

    A small Millenium Falcon toy was on the counter when Jack walked in the house…my husband kept going…that is Kate’s house and figured it out right away. It was a much smaller version than the one my son has…and I do not know how many toddlers are into Star Wars…my littlest son is but only because his big brother is…anyway, the toy being somewhat mini-sized reminded me of some Lost theory I read somewhere(maybe here)about the island being a miniature world and people being shrunk down in size…I don’t know about that…or maybe it is just in a land far, far away!

  160. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="217184"]
    3. Lastly, there were at least two tight camera shots on the Millenium Falcon. Does anyone have an idea what this might mean, other than the obvious allusion to space travel?[/quote]
    For me it was just homage to Star Wars, they needed a toy to hint to us that there was a child in the home. Since they are big Star Wars fans…

  161. lost4ever says:

    Juliet reminded me of Ben. Just the way she took over the whole situation as Ben did last week. I can definitely see her still working for Ben. Did anyone else notice a strange look between Bernard and Juliet? There is more to Bernard. D.D.S my A.S.S.
    Maybe the whole appendicitus was just a ruse to implant Jack with something? I like your timelines PJ. Now if we can just figure out where the rest of them fall in place. At least we now know that there has been no reverse order to them. I think?

  162. adriennez says:

    So freakin’ funny…in the 80’s movie “Sixteen Candles”…an Asian character called (questionable spelling here!)Long Duc Dong was an exchange student with Samantha’s family who gets caught up in the whole high school party scene and goes wild. At some point he starts calling himself “the Donger”.

    It was just one of Sawyer’s funny nicknames…this time for Miles.

  163. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="217191"][quote comment="217185"][quote comment="217169"][quote comment="217167"]I thought it was pretty cool when Miles heard the whispers in the jungle…it did not really freak him out like it did other people…I guess the ghost whisperer thing let him to understand what the jungle whispers were trying to tell them…and I think he said that he could see Christian, right?[/quote]

    I don’t know that he heard the actual whispers that other Losties have heard before. They were much more audible than previous whispers and you could tell it sounded more like a re-play of what happened to Danielle and Karl instead of someone or something trying to communicate something with him. I think maybe just since he has a special connection to the dead and they were basically standing right on top of their graves that he was able to hear them and hear how they died…kind of like he did with Naomi.[/quote]

    The whispers were more audible because of his abilities…maybe that is what the whispers are…replaying something that happened at another time…that is what I was trying to say. We do not really know yet what they are but that a few different people have heard them and they usually seem to come right before an “other” pops up in the jungle.[/quote]

    Good points — I’ll add that there is believe to be a phenomenon called a psychic imprint, where if something tragic happened, the energy created by the event can stay in place and “replay”. So Miles may have heard the psychic imprint.

    Off subject here, I have a stupid question — what’s a donger?[/quote]
    Donger was an Asian fellow in the movie Sixteen Candles. His actual name was Long Duc Dong and they called him the Donger.

  164. Bailey Loves Lost says:

    Is it me or do they never really show a good view of Aaron’s face? When Jack was reading the bedtime story to Aaron, the camera was kind of at an angle, and then when he came into the living room when Jack and Kate were arguing Aaron was sort of covering his face with his stuff animal and then Kate was blocking him when she went over to hug him. So we never really get good views of what Aaron looks like.

  165. adriennez says:

    [quote comment="217195"]Juliet reminded me of Ben. Just the way she took over the whole situation as Ben did last week. I can definitely see her still working for Ben. Did anyone else notice a strange look between Bernard and Juliet? There is more to Bernard. D.D.S my A.S.S.
    Maybe the whole appendicitus was just a ruse to implant Jack with something?

    I like your timelines PJ. Now if we can just figure out where the rest of them fall in place. At least we now know that there has been no reverse order to them. I think?[/quote]

    I so agree…I do not think I will ever really trust Juliet. I had the exact same thought about some kind of implant inside Jack!!

  166. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="217198"]Is it me or do they never really show a good view of Aaron’s face? When Jack was reading the bedtime story to Aaron, the camera was kind of at an angle, and then when he came into the living room when Jack and Kate were arguing Aaron was sort of covering his face with his stuff animal and then Kate was blocking him when she went over to hug him. So we never really get good views of what Aaron looks like.[/quote]
    Actually I remember a pretty clear face on shot as he was sleeping. No the didn’t have that “look” people brought up before.

  167. adriennez says:

    I really like the character Frank Lapidus! He seems to have no other reason for joining the freighter expedition than finding out what happened to Flight 815 since he was supposed to be the pilot. He is the only one who seems to actually be looking out for the losties…maybe he is even working for or with someone else off the island who is looking to find out what happened to a loved one from the flight…we do have some connected people there.

  168. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="217032"]
    There was a 5 game sweep in August 06 that is considered a major whoopin’. Nothing really in 04 or 05 that I can find.

    ….[/quote]
    Excellent find Hammer. A 5 game sweep would be considered a “bludgening” by many sports writers. Did we just see more evidence of the whispers theory or what?
    I am not sure if Miles physically saw Christian or just overheard the conversation between Claire and her father. There was no proof either way. She said “Dad” outloud.

  169. tasha says:

    Maybe the island is trying to puni8sh jack for leaving. He is not supposed to leave yet he is trying to get everyone off. Island is punishing him?

    I think Sawyer may be so protective because his whole life has been revolved around killing Sawyer(Locke’s dad). Now he has accomplished it and now has nothing else to live for. Everyone has to have a life purpose and Sawyer now does not have one. Claire and Hurley all have become like family to him. The only family he has. It may be something he has always wanted but has been to blind to see. He may look at Hurley and Claire as like his brother and sister, that could be why Miles asked him about being her brother. He seems to be protecting them the way someone would protect their family.

  170. Bailey Loves Lost says:

    [quote comment="217204"]I really like the character Frank Lapidus! He seems to have no other reason for joining the freighter expedition than finding out what happened to Flight 815 since he was supposed to be the pilot. He is the only one who seems to actually be looking out for the losties…maybe he is even working for or with someone else off the island who is looking to find out what happened to a loved one from the flight…we do have some connected people there.[/quote]

    I agree. Afterall, didn’t he know the pilot of Oceanic 815? I think he was actually supposed to be the pilot. So I couldn’t imagine Lapidus wanting to harm the Losties. Part of me doesn’t think that Lapidus, Miles, Daniel and Charlotte are there to do harm to them. The one I really don’t trust is Charlotte.

  171. deangoodes says:

    I thought when they were first showing Aaron laying on the bed and Jack reading to him that he looked A LOT like Claire, maybe that is why they shot at that angle. No major storyline reason, just showing continuity between the real mom and Aaron.

  172. tasha says:

    [quote comment="217209"]I thought when they were first showing Aaron laying on the bed and Jack reading to him that he looked A LOT like Claire, maybe that is why they shot at that angle. No major storyline reason, just showing continuity between the real mom and Aaron.[/quote]

    I did notice last night that he looked A LOT like Claire. Then again they made that clear at the end.

  173. lost4ever says:

    PJ Sander- WOW. We actually learned a lot. Thanks for the Recap. It would have been very hard, IMO, to follow up last week’s episode. Did we also learn about the “spectacular kiss”?

  174. Bailey Loves Lost says:

    This is just a mention to last week’s episode. When Hurley said at the beginning of this season to Jack that he should have never gone with Locke, could he have been referring to going with Locke and Ben to find Jacob?

  175. lost4ever says:

    Sawyer screaming at the end “Claire, Claire, Claire” reminded me of Michael “Walt, Walt, Walt”

  176. Missy says:

    [quote comment="217149"]Ok, so maybe I was looking too hard. But did I notice that when Jack went to visit Hurley, that the door was locked from the OUTSIDE? The doctor had to let Jack INTO the room with a card/code. But Jack just opened the door to leave. If a psych ward, they would lock Hurley IN the room. Sometimes they are locked from the hallway also, but they wouldn’t want the “patients” to just wander. Who is locking who from whom?[/quote]
    ___
    I’m still reading before I leave my thoughts, however, I had to sneak in a post now to compliment you on your use of who and whom. Nice job.

  177. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="217206"]I am not sure if Miles physically saw Christian or just overheard the conversation between Claire and her father. There was no proof either way. She said “Dad” outloud.[/quote]
    I am wanting the the appearance of Charlie and Christian to be evidence that the Whisperers are starting to show themselves(like they said that they wanted to in the transcripts).

  178. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="217212"]This is just a mention to last week’s episode. When Hurley said at the beginning of this season to Jack that he should have never gone with Locke, could he have been referring to going with Locke and Ben to find Jacob?[/quote]
    Excellent point. Maybe something really bad happens to Hurley on the way to or at the Cabin.

  179. jaime says:

    A few things i was thinking about.
    1. Stars Wars toy..i think has to do with the fact (as said above somewhere) that Skywalker was raised by an uncle as Arron was being raised by Jack
    2. I’m thinking that CS is taking Claire to Jacob’s cabin
    3. Jack asked for a presciption of Clonazepam the same drug Hurley was taking.
    4. The X-ray Jack is looking at is of an osteblastoma (tumor) on the L-4 vertibrate..familiar? Ben’s tumor was also on the L-4.
    5. Jack was reading Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland to arron…i was wondering if anyone knows the exact part of the story he was reading.
    6. Miles told Sawyer he was “good with kids” interesting.

  180. deangoodes says:

    Most of the episode titles seem to have more than one meaning. The obvious meaning for this ep would be Kate at home for Jack. Any thoughts on a different meaning? Maybe Jin making sure Sun gets home, making her his “something nice back home?” Just guessing….

  181. Bailey Loves Lost says:

    If Kate was doing something for Sawyer off the island, why should she feel the need to hide it from Jack?

  182. deangoodes says:

    I don’t think hiding it from Jack was for her benefit, I think she said that Sawyer didn’t want Jack to know.

  183. Laura says:

    [quote comment="217160"]

    Rose’s comment to Bernard was interesting about how people get better on the island, not sick. Maybe only people who are chosen, who are meant to be there get better and the people the island are trying to get rid of get sick.

    [/quote]

    I think this is extremely important. The only other main character that we have seen get sick is Ben. I think Rose’s comment was supposed to remind us of this and provide a connection between the two characters.

    I agree that the falcon was to show that this was Kate’s house. This is important because Jack received the work call on the home phone, so this relationship has been pretty serious for a decent amount of time now that he is having work call at Kate’s house. This is interesting too, because it looks very different than the place where Jack was when he saw Hurley’s car crash on TV. At this point Jack was already drinking pretty heavily (he spiked his orange juice) but this is before Hurley is in Santa Rosa… and therefore (presumably) before last night’s episode occurred.

  184. katesFriend says:

    aside from title references, bernard specifically said to jack “don’t you want to be knocked out, thing of something nice back home”

    my big question: if jack isn’t supposed to be raising aaron, and CS visits him back in the “real world” after Hurley tells him this, why the hell would CS lead Claire away, presumably leading to the reason kate and jack are raising aaron?

  185. Cutley says:

    Quite simply, what if Charles Widmore is Ben’s constant and vice versa?

    More thoughts like that at http://robotindisguiseblog.blogspot.com/

  186. Tim says:

    Aaron looks like a miniature version of the kid on “2 1/2 Men”.

    Is there any way that this set of flash forwards can be before Kate’s trial?
    Can Jack accept Aaron as in this episode, then reject him later, as he seems to in the Kate-centric episode?

    Just asking because many have theorized that the sequence of flash-forwards in reverse-chronological.

  187. Bailey Loves Lost says:

    Something else about the surgery that is interesting, Jack told Juliet that she was shaving two inches above where she needed to operate….

  188. adriennez says:

    I had another thought with the Millenium Falcon and Star Wars references in the episode…maybe it is saying something about fathers and sons…alot of that in Lost. Jack is being a surrogate father to Aaron who is actually his nephew. In Star Wars Luke Skywalker is raised by his uncle(and aunt) and later finds out that his father is someone who was basically an immaculate conception and started out with a mission to do good but was turned to do evil’s bidding.

    Sounds kind of like the manipulations and twists and turns of Lost.

  189. Bailey Loves Lost says:

    [quote comment="217234"]Aaron looks like a miniature version of the kid on “2 1/2 Men”.

    Is there any way that this set of flash forwards can be before Kate’s trial?
    Can Jack accept Aaron as in this episode, then reject him later, as he seems to in the Kate-centric episode?

    Just asking because many have theorized that the sequence of flash-forwards in reverse-chronological.[/quote]

    I thought that Kate said something to the affect to Jack that she was glad he changed his mind, or came back, or something like that. That would make me think this was after the trial. Because Jack also said to Kate that he saved her(?). I don’t think I have the wording right, but it was something along those lines.

  190. Laura says:

    [quote comment="217234"]
    Is there any way that this set of flash forwards can be before Kate’s trial?
    Can Jack accept Aaron as in this episode, then reject him later, as he seems to in the Kate-centric episode?
    [/quote]

    Jack mentions the trial to Hurley, so this has to occur afterwards.

  191. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="217234"]Aaron looks like a miniature version of the kid on “2 1/2 Men”.

    Is there any way that this set of flash forwards can be before Kate’s trial?
    Can Jack accept Aaron as in this episode, then reject him later, as he seems to in the Kate-centric episode?

    Just asking because many have theorized that the sequence of flash-forwards in reverse-chronological.[/quote]
    ———–
    I think it was stated “after the trial”.

  192. katesFriend says:

    oh, and I just have to say: I LOVE me some Rose and Bernard! They are the freakin cutest couple and I’m so glad the writers have been showing Bernard’s hero side….I wish they lived next door to me and I could hang out with them!

  193. Bailey Loves Lost says:

    I wonder why Keamy and the other bad people who killed Danielle and Karl took the time to actually bury them? I’m wondering why they didn’t just leave them there.

  194. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="217198"]Is it me or do they never really show a good view of Aaron’s face? When Jack was reading the bedtime story to Aaron, the camera was kind of at an angle, and then when he came into the living room when Jack and Kate were arguing Aaron was sort of covering his face with his stuff animal and then Kate was blocking him when she went over to hug him. So we never really get good views of what Aaron looks like.[/quote]

    I expect that is more about leaving the door open for casting. Think about flash forwards and flashbacks that may show Aaron. If we have too much time to concentrate on his features, it will be more difficult to accept another child playing him in the “future.” Conversely, this child-actor is growing, so if they want, NEXT season, to show a flash to something that happens immediately AFTER the stuff we saw last night, it will require a different toddler to play Aaron.

    : ) P

  195. Bailey Loves Lost says:

    [quote comment="217254"][quote comment="217198"]Is it me or do they never really show a good view of Aaron’s face? When Jack was reading the bedtime story to Aaron, the camera was kind of at an angle, and then when he came into the living room when Jack and Kate were arguing Aaron was sort of covering his face with his stuff animal and then Kate was blocking him when she went over to hug him. So we never really get good views of what Aaron looks like.[/quote]

    I expect that is more about leaving the door open for casting. Think about flash forwards and flashbacks that may show Aaron. If we have too much time to concentrate on his features, it will be more difficult to accept another child playing him in the “future.” Conversely, this child-actor is growing, so if they want, NEXT season, to show a flash to something that happens immediately AFTER the stuff we saw last night, it will require a different toddler to play Aaron.

    : ) P[/quote]

    :-) Good point!

  196. Dub8er_e says:

    Hey guys love the analysis so far. Here is my input. There are alot of questions going around about the people from the freighter and why they are working together. I think if you put it into context with the info we have been given it makes sense. They are all working for Widmore sho put the expeditoin togehter obviously to get the ilsnad back under control. It is assumed that Widmore is affiliated with Dharma and used to be in the mix of the control of the island somehow. Right? I believe all the scientific and paranormal investigators from the freighter were never meant to make a return voyage. Thats why the mercs are there. Teh mercs are there to get Ben and get rid of anyone that has any knowledge of the island to keep it safe including our litlle dynamic foursome of Miles, Dan, Frank, and Violet. They were chosen because they knew to much about the Dharma experiments so they were perfect pics because they had the knowledge and needed to be gotten rid of to protect the island. It also seems like everyone that makes it back to the “Real World” eventually starts having visions in one form or another. Like Widmore with the scothch by his bed, Jack, Hurley. I wonder what kind of visions Bens having? And if all the other Oceanic 6 will suffer the same fate.

  197. Missy says:

    Wow – great observances everyone. Here are the ones that stood out most to me:

    – Kate’s tooth was one of the first things I noticed. It seemed odd – Evangeline L. has such a pretty smile everwhere else.
    – There were moon and stars on the fridge and hanging above Aaron’s bed.
    – Then there’s the Mil. Falcon – two nods to space. Or star wars nod could be due to the fact that luke and lea were not raised by their parents.
    – Maybe Sawyer didn’t want anyone to know that he had a kid. Kate might be hooking up little Clementine with her inheritance.
    – But why did Sawyer “choose” to stay on the island – to protect the other who wanted to stay?
    – Like the smoke alarm going of when Christian appeared – a nod to smokey.
    – What was up with the Christ-like set up of Aaron in the jungle. Reminded me of a manger scene.
    – Kid’s monster drawing on the fridge like the one in Aaron’s bedroom.
    – How we heard the “shots” that killed Carl and Danielle – what else has Miles heard on the island that he hasn’t shared yet?
    – What was the point of Juliet telling Kate about her kissing Jack and then saying to Jack – I know you’ve been awake. I didn’t get the last part of doing that.
    – Hurley saying that Jack is going to be “visited” next. Reminded me of the Christmas Carol – ghosts of Christmases – past, present and future. Do we have visits by losties past? And was Christian Jack’s visitor?
    – Is Hurley right? Are they all dead? What else has Charlie told him – he says they just sit together.
    – Where did Christian take Claire. Are Claire and Christian going to meet up with Ben, Locke and Hurley at Jacob’s cabin?

    That’s all for now! What a great show. It didn’t have as much action as it did last week – but it still rocked!

  198. Dub8er_e says:

    Also did anyone get a count of how many mercs orginaly came onto the island? Becasue yesterday I could have swore I saw 6 and that is how many I thought originaly were there.Did you also notice the wound on the merc that they were caring? It was the same merc that got dragged into the jungle by smokie in last weeks episode and the spot where smokie grabbed him looked all burnt and mangled but he was still alive. Why is smokie so good at killing losties but not mercs? Anyone else notice?

  199. lola says:

    [quote comment="216956"]ok that show made no sense, a waste of an episode, we didnt learn anything new other than jack has some serious problems, and what happened to claire? and what was kate doing for sawyer?[/quote]
    are u serious?-AWESOME episode

  200. Bailey Loves Lost says:

    Does anyone recall how many Losties were actually killed by Smokey?

  201. lola says:

    [quote comment="217269"][quote comment="216956"]ok that show made no sense, a waste of an episode, we didnt learn anything new other than jack has some serious problems, and what happened to claire? and what was kate doing for sawyer?[/quote]
    are u serious?-AWESOME episode[/quote]
    i think kate was checking on sawyer’s daughter

  202. Tim says:

    - What was up with the Christ-like set up of Aaron in the jungle. Reminded me of a manger scene….

    Or Moses.

  203. Miraks says:

    I thought last night’s episode was pretty good. The thing I found interesting was that both Jack and Hurley seemed to be back in the same place where they were before they ever got to the island. Hurley was back at a mental clinic talking with “imaginary” friends. Jack was back to abusing substances, being overly jelous/ suspicious/ paranoid about what his woman was doing. Kate was the only one that has appearently been changed by the island experience. UNLESS there is something behind her phone conversation.

  204. Missy says:

    [quote comment="217271"]Does anyone recall how many Losties were actually killed by Smokey?[/quote]
    _____________
    Eko and the Pilot Seth Norris? Or was Seth Norris killed by a polar bear? And many many trees!

  205. PJSander says:

    Okay, so maybe everyone else has already figured this out but Jack’s father’s name is Christian Shepherd – which is a not-so-veiled reference to Jesus – Christ the shepherd?

    If we found out that he paid his way through med school as a carpenter… *g*

    So we have
    Charles Widmore
    Charlie Pace
    Charlotte Lewis

    Christian Shepherd is a CS and
    Charlotte’s first two initials are CS

    hmmm….

    : ) P

  206. Bailey Loves Lost says:

    Maybe Smokey isn’t so good at killing people. He’s only killed two in the whole time he’s been there, and if you hide in those trees he can’t get you. He could have gotten Locke that time that Locke just stood there and stared at him (don’t remember what season that was), but he didn’t. Maybe he just wanted to scare the people?

  207. Bailey Loves Lost says:

    [quote comment="217278"]Okay, so maybe everyone else has already figured this out but Jack’s father’s name is Christian Shepherd – which is a not-so-veiled reference to Jesus – Christ the shepherd?

    If we found out that he paid his way through med school as a carpenter… *g*

    So we have
    Charles Widmore
    Charlie Pace
    Charlotte Lewis

    Christian Shepherd is a CS and
    Charlotte’s first two initials are CS

    hmmm….

    : ) P[/quote]

    All beging with “CH” lol

  208. Lins says:

    [quote comment="217281"][quote comment="217278"]Okay, so maybe everyone else has already figured this out but Jack’s father’s name is Christian Shepherd – which is a not-so-veiled reference to Jesus – Christ the shepherd?

    If we found out that he paid his way through med school as a carpenter… *g*

    So we have
    Charles Widmore
    Charlie Pace
    Charlotte Lewis

    Christian Shepherd is a CS and
    Charlotte’s first two initials are CS

    hmmm….

    : ) P[/quote]

    All beging with “CH” lol[/quote]

    **********************
    And actually Charlotte and Charlie are forms of Charles…

  209. docjock says:

    Miles was staring at Aaron, not Claire.

  210. jophelias says:

    [quote comment="217166"]Who was Kate on the phone with?…were the writers just trying to show Jack’s paranoia? Was the person she was talking to the same him she had to get back to from the airport in last season’s finale? Is it Ben?

    In last week’s episode with Ben and Sayid, he was obviously playing on Sayid emotions to manipulate him to do his work…that creepy smile after they talked in the alley-thing. Maybe Ben is somehow manipulating Kate to do his bidding also.[/quote]

    It crossed my mind also that she was actually talking to Ben, not Sawyer, and had promised Ben that she would do something.

    After reading these posts, however, it does seem more plausible that she’d doing something for Sawyer/Cassidy/Clementine.

  211. DocH says:

    [quote] re: Comment 183
    I think this is extremely important. The only other main character that we have seen get sick is Ben. I think Rose’s comment was supposed to remind us of this and provide a connection between the two characters.
    [/quote]
    I am sure Roses’ comment meant something, but we did see Sawyer extremely ill. He was shot of the raft. Floated back to the island. Captured by Eko/Ana. Got a real bad infection. Barely made it back to the Swan. Got treatment and still nearly died. Took weeks to get better. Seems like the island made no effort to cure the infection.

    About operations and Jack getting knocked out and then implanted with something, while that could be… a devious Bernard/Juliet with an absent Kate… didn’t Sawyer have an episode on the Hydra Island with Ben?… wasn’t that the threat of a defib implant that could stop James’ heart, like it did the bunnies’? How about all of the gals that got the “fertility clinic” treatment from Juliet and Ethan? Did they get implanted with some type of device?

  212. Tim says:

    Wait a second. Maybe she is doing things for Ben but just said Sawyer, because she didn’t want Jack to know who she was dealing with.

  213. Bailey Loves Lost says:

    Well if she is doing things for Ben, isn’t it possible that she could be helping the Losties left on the island, like Sawyer. Remember Ben telling Sayid something about “You want to help your friends, don’t you?” So if she was working for Ben, she could be doing something for Sawyer….

  214. jophelias says:

    [quote comment="217228"][quote comment="217160"]

    Rose’s comment to Bernard was interesting about how people get better on the island, not sick. Maybe only people who are chosen, who are meant to be there get better and the people the island are trying to get rid of get sick.

    [/quote]

    I think this is extremely important. The only other main character that we have seen get sick is Ben. I think Rose’s comment was supposed to remind us of this and provide a connection between the two characters.

    I agree that the falcon was to show that this was Kate’s house. This is important because Jack received the work call on the home phone, so this relationship has been pretty serious for a decent amount of time now that he is having work call at Kate’s house. This is interesting too, because it looks very different than the place where Jack was when he saw Hurley’s car crash on TV. At this point Jack was already drinking pretty heavily (he spiked his orange juice) but this is before Hurley is in Santa Rosa… and therefore (presumably) before last night’s episode occurred.[/quote]

    So is it a possibility that the “Kate & Jack” we saw last night happened AFTER Jack has already gone through his drinking/drug problems? Maybe he has already cleaned up by the time he and Kate get serious. That would explain Aaron’s age.

  215. Lins says:

    [quote comment="217308"]Well if she is doing things for Ben, isn’t it possible that she could be helping the Losties left on the island, like Sawyer. Remember Ben telling Sayid something about “You want to help your friends, don’t you?” So if she was working for Ben, she could be doing something for Sawyer….[/quote]

    She just seemed a little too happy and flirty on the phone to be talking to Ben…IMO

  216. lola says:

    [quote comment="217222"]Most of the episode titles seem to have more than one meaning. The obvious meaning for this ep would be Kate at home for Jack. Any thoughts on a different meaning? Maybe Jin making sure Sun gets home, making her his “something nice back home?” Just guessing….[/quote]
    bernard asks jack if he isn’t sure he would like to be knocked out before the appendectomy dreaming of something nice back home.

  217. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="217302"]Wait a second. Maybe she is doing things for Ben but just said Sawyer, because she didn’t want Jack to know who she was dealing with.[/quote]
    It seems like that might be, the ones not working for Ben seem very troubled. So far Sayid seems “okay” and Kate does too…maybe right.

  218. Laura says:

    “Noreen” was apparently the name for a British cipher machine…

    Also, good point about Sawyer, however I feel like Ben/Jack’s issues are different because they are “random”. Sawyer got sick from getting shot, just like Boone (and others) have gotten seriously injured/sick from things that have physically happened to them. As Rose pointed out, Why did Jack get sick now? Nothing has happened to cause this, is just ‘randomly’ happened.

  219. Dub8er_e says:

    I dont think this timeline is before jacks drug and alcohol problems started. They spent alot of time showing jack make that drink in the episode where Hurley gets busted and he barely puts any vodka in it at all. I think they did that to show he was starting to drink but a far cry from having a bottle of whiskey and a few beers sitting in front of you.

  220. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="217309"]So is it a possibility that the “Kate & Jack” we saw last night happened AFTER Jack has already gone through his drinking/drug problems? Maybe he has already cleaned up by the time he and Kate get serious. That would explain Aaron’s age.[/quote]I don’t thinks so, Hurley made the comment about Jack changing his mind about Aaaron.

  221. DocH says:

    [quote comment="217310"]
    She just seemed a little too happy and flirty on the phone to be talking to Ben…IMO
    [/quote]
    Who knows what happens between Ben and Kate. He may have set her up with adopting Aaron. I also remember that she has great criminal skills. She’s robbed banks (playing the victim), run cons, blew-up a house, good with weapons, knows mountaineering/tracking. Sayid has massive skills too, that go hand-in-hand with Ben’s FF missions. Kate & Sayid are operatives for Team Ben in FF-world. Jack & Hurley are not and are suffering the consequences (no vaccine for you!). Sun probably has her father’s protection, vis-a-vis a deal with Ben to leave her alone.

  222. Lins says:

    [quote comment="217323"][quote comment="217310"]
    She just seemed a little too happy and flirty on the phone to be talking to Ben…IMO
    [/quote]
    Who knows what happens between Ben and Kate. He may have set her up with adopting Aaron. I also remember that she has great criminal skills. She’s robbed banks (playing the victim), run cons, blew-up a house, good with weapons, knows mountaineering/tracking. Sayid has massive skills too, that go hand-in-hand with Ben’s FF missions. Kate & Sayid are operatives for Team Ben in FF-world. Jack & Hurley are not and are suffering the consequences (no vaccine for you!). Sun probably has her father’s protection, vis-a-vis a deal with Ben to leave her alone.[/quote]

    ******************
    I’m not saying she’s not qualified to work for Ben, she’s pretty hard core…but the way she was talking on the phone, it just didn’t sound like she was talking to Ben. Remember how Sayid communicated with Ben on the phone in The Economist? It was all very CIA-ish, this seemed more like a friendly call than business. But who knows…if only we knew what her and Ben talked about at that beach breakfast!

  223. deangoodes says:

    Some of that is true, but I recall her just being hooked up with the wrong people in some of those criminal activities. Right?

  224. DocH says:

    [quote comment="217316"]
    As Rose pointed out, Why did Jack get sick now? Nothing has happened to cause this, is just ‘randomly’ happened.
    [/quote]
    That’s the thing about appendicitis, total randomness. Heck, the way the Losties have been eating, living, stressing, mourning, etc… for the past 100 days, I am not surprised that they don’t have more folks out of commission with intestinal malaise (parasites, amoebic dysentary…).
    Maybe it is ‘All in the Water’, ala Hammer-man?

  225. Lins says:

    [quote comment="217330"]Some of that is true, but I recall her just being hooked up with the wrong people in some of those criminal activities. Right?[/quote]

    Oh no, I think she was the mastermind behind those activities. She blew up the house to deliberately kill her dad, she ran the con in the bank to get the lock box with the plane in it, she used Cassidy to get time to talk to her mom, she learned the tracking and hunting from her military “dad”…like I said, she’s pretty hard core!

  226. DocH says:

    [quote comment="217328"]
    … but the way she was talking on the phone, it just didn’t sound like she was talking to Ben.
    [/quote]
    My thinking is that it was Cassady, but I won’t rule out Ben either. She could be flirty with Ben, not out of personal interest in Ben, but out of self-preservation for herself and Aaron.

    Translation: Flirt with Ben = keeps Ben off my back. We’ve seen her fake flirt lots of times. Happy smile, eyes smile, head tilts… then when its over she turns away, scowls, squints an eye and flares nostrils.

  227. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="217332"][quote comment="217316"]
    As Rose pointed out, Why did Jack get sick now? Nothing has happened to cause this, is just ‘randomly’ happened.
    [/quote]
    That’s the thing about appendicitis, total randomness. Heck, the way the Losties have been eating, living, stressing, mourning, etc… for the past 100 days, I am not surprised that they don’t have more folks out of commission with intestinal malaise (parasites, amoebic dysentary…).
    Maybe it is ‘All in the Water’, ala Hammer-man?[/quote]
    Maybe it is in the water…mine ruptured. Not fun.

  228. tasha says:

    I know everyone is weird about the whole coffin thing and bringing it up, but if she is working with Ben and Ben may be in the coffin why wouldn’t she go see him?

    I don’t even understand who or what Ben is. Do we know yet for sure who staged the crash at the bottom of the ocean. Some people say Whidmore…some people claim it is Ben. Maybe I missed something somewhere. Ben just seems to be so powerful for some dorky kid that killed off Dharma.

    Sorry I guess this has nothing to do with the episode. It’s just you watch one episode and your mind starts spinning about everything.

  229. mylee says:

    why was Hurley getting all emo talking about Charlie to Jack? when he “saw” charlie he wasnt emo like that. maybe its because he didnt blink the whole time i talked to jack? hehehe..

    when jack got out of bed, i did not see any scar to indicate the appendectomy. all the more reason to watch this episode again. i didnt even know that Bernard was a DDS, and what is a DDS?

    just wanted to point out that jack’s character flaw of being super jealous and having trust issues is because of what happened in his marriage with the blonde neck fixer upper girl. i dont recall him being like that before, (or they never showed it) but i just wanted to say that its a result of a past situation. he is perfect in every other way ;p

    i think at this point he also knows that aaron is his relative, why else would you bring up such a point, randomly?

    sawyer and jin either died back at the island or are protecting those that decided to stay there. i cant think of what locke is doing, maybe the next ben?

    where is alpert and the rest of the ppl? we have yet to see the temple…sigh so many questions!!!

    it was sort of a disappointment that this episode did not follow the intensity of last week’s episode, considering also that the first half of this season was pretty much nonstop action packed episode after episode. i guess they need to slow things down a bit so we can catch our breath and take it chill. next week better be back to high intensity!! i love talking to my tv!!

  230. GeriBNJ says:

    [quote comment="217139"]First time posting long time reader.
    I thought it very strange that Miles was able to hear Karl & Danielle and find their bodies but when Sawyer asked Miles in the morning about Clair he did not seem to say he SAW anyone. I realize that Christian said nothing and it seems Miles can only hear the dead. But does this mean that people who die on the Island because of the time difference are not dead until they catch up to the off island time? Christian died a few days before the crash and if the time is different then he maybe has not died and therefore Miles cannot commutate with them? Im confused cause Karl & Danielle both died on the island and so did Naomi and he was able to hear them. But why not Christian? I think there is something going on here.[/quote]

    Check out abc.com for the lost missing pieces clip that shows christian moments before the first scene of the first episode……

  231. 4815162342 says:

    Regarding the baseball article in the paper; in the five game sweep in 2006 that was mentioned earlier, a rod went 7 for 21 with five rbis but no home runs. for those of you that dont follow baseball, this is a decent series but no reason for jack to bring up a rod. we may need to find another sweep!

  232. Tim says:

    DDS – Dentist

  233. Tim says:

    I think Jack is afraid he is going to lose Kate the same way he lost his first wife and that is why he is quizzing her. To find out if it is a man she is talking with.

    I think he has a good idea who it is and wants Kate to admit it.

    And she seems to feel if she tells him what she is up to, he will be very upset. That’s why I can’t see how it is just her visiting Sawyer’s daughter.

    Unless there is more info we are missing.

  234. DocH says:

    [quote]
    i didnt even know that Bernard was a DDS, and what is a DDS?

    jack’s character flaw of being super jealous and having trust issues is because of what happened in his marriage…
    [/quote]
    DDS is generally referred to as Doctor of Dental Science (aka Dentist, Periodontist, ‘Jaw Breaker’) meaning he has the medical skills to administer anesthesia for Jacks abdominal surgery, get the local shot, stitch the wounds, sterlize the incision site, pass the surgical tools to Juliet, etc….

    Good point about Jacks’ marriage. Last nights episode reminded me that we saw his ex-wife in the far future flash-forward where Jack says ‘we have to go back’. Funny how he was going to marry Kate in the story last night, but they appear to never get any closer – because a year (or so) after the Kate proposal – he still has his ex-wife Sarah listed as his ‘emergency contact’ with the hospital. He never changed it to Kate, even though he was living with, sleeping with and proposing to Kate in this FF. hmmm-

  235. Dub8er_e says:

    I think that whatever happens to Kate and Jack has something to do with Jacks visitor and what Hurley tells him in the hospital about not “raising him”. Maybe Kate has a visitor to and whatever she is told forces her to split away from Jack even more. Maybe a manifestation of Sawyer?

  236. lost4ever says:

    From the news article concerning the red sox/yankees “The sweep was more emphatic last August, when the Yankees rampaged into Fenway Park and won three games to bury the Boston Red Sox. The best the Yamkees could do this time was to win three at Yankee stadium and chisel a cuhnk from Boston’s sizable league in the American League East.” The article goes on to state that Curt Schilling was the losing pitcher and Robinson Cano hit 2 home runs. the Yankees won 5-0.

  237. lost4ever says:

    Curt Schilling lost to the Yankees 5-0 on August 30, 2007. In that game Robinson Cano hit 2 home runs. ARod was 0-3 in the game, with a run, walk and sstolen base. Nothing to spectacular. If that date is correct, how old would that make Aaron?

  238. tasha says:

    [quote comment="217361"]I think that whatever happens to Kate and Jack has something to do with Jacks visitor and what Hurley tells him in the hospital about not “raising him”. Maybe Kate has a visitor to and whatever she is told forces her to split away from Jack even more. Maybe a manifestation of Sawyer?[/quote]

    MAYBE THAT IS IT! JACK SAYS SAWYER STAYED BEHIND AND MAYE THEY ALL DIED. SAWYER IS kATE’S DEAD FRIEND THAT COMES AND VISITS HER AND HE ASKED HER TO DO SOMETHING! YES! I KNEW THERE WAS AN EXPLANATION!

  239. Love's Labour Lost says:

    [quote comment="217195"]Juliet reminded me of Ben. Just the way she took over the whole situation as Ben did last week. I can definitely see her still working for Ben. Did anyone else notice a strange look between Bernard and Juliet? There is more to Bernard. D.D.S my A.S.S.
    Maybe the whole appendicitus was just a ruse to implant Jack with something?

    I like your timelines PJ. Now if we can just figure out where the rest of them fall in place. At least we now know that there has been no reverse order to them. I think?[/quote]

    Calm down. Sometimes a look is just a look. I’m all for getting into theories, but please, Juliet and Bernard conspiring with Ben to topple all the Losties? Come on.

  240. Bobbi says:

    Can someone help me with something? Didn’t Jack say in the first flash forward…something about if anyone went and checked his father, he’d be even more drunk? As if Christian was alive and well? All this time I was assuming that somehow Christian was alive in future. Someone clarify for me?

  241. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="217369"] Juliet and Bernard conspiring with Ben to topple all the Losties?

    [/quote]
    I dont think I ever stated that. But why would it be that far-fetched that Juliet is still working for Ben?

  242. DocH says:

    [quote comment="217369"] Juliet and Bernard conspiring with Ben to topple all the Losties?
    [/quote]
    [quote comment="217373"]
    I dont think I ever stated that. But why would it be that far-fetched that Juliet is still working for Ben?
    [/quote]
    Her single objective for three years has been to get off the island and get back to her sister. And with Ben hitting on her and putting Goodwin at deaths door, I’d say she could still be loyal to Ben, JUST to get off the island, not in support of his ideology.

    Bernard? He is thee last remaining Tailie in the Lostie camp. Maybe he was abducted by the Others, brainwashed, and returned to Tailie beach camp to wreck havoc on the Losties. Doubtful though as he killed Others (w/ Jin & Sayid) as they raided the Lostie beach camp. Juliet also went to save the raid captives w/ Sawyer & Hurley.

  243. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="217370"]Can someone help me with something? Didn’t Jack say in the first flash forward…something about if anyone went and checked his father, he’d be even more drunk? As if Christian was alive and well? All this time I was assuming that somehow Christian was alive in future. Someone clarify for me?[/quote]

    By the time that scene happens, Jack has seen the apparitiion of his dead father at least once, probably more. Someone who is seeing their dead father (and probably speaking to him) might say something like that, don’t you think?

    Someone else mentioned that Sawyer might be dead and visiting Kate — but what about Jin visiting Sun? Now that makes sense when you think about how Sun thought she would see him when she was giving birth, no?

  244. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="217365"]Curt Schilling lost to the Yankees 5-0 on August 30, 2007. In that game Robinson Cano hit 2 home runs. ARod was 0-3 in the game, with a run, walk and sstolen base. Nothing to spectacular. If that date is correct, how old would that make Aaron?[/quote]

    Check this out. http://www.buddytv.com/articles/Image/LOST/egg410-newspaper.jpg

  245. sector7 says:

    Given the information in the article, there is only one viable date for time: August 31, 2007. Given Aaron’s birth on November 1, 2004, and ignoring any relative time distortions, this would put Aaron at around 2 years and 10 months old.

  246. Angel says:

    Im not sure who asked this or if it has been answered but Jack DID have a scar. You could see it when he picked up the razor when he was by the sink and Kate was taking a shower.

  247. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="217387"]Im not sure who asked this or if it has been answered but Jack DID have a scar. You could see it when he picked up the razor when he was by the sink and Kate was taking a shower.[/quote]

    Still wouldn’t surprise me if the island completely healed it. Same thing when we didn’t see Locke’s bullet scar… Rose knows.

    The island can heal and the island can make you sick. Maybe it made Jack sick because he’s trying to leave. Maybe it made Ben sick (his cancerous tumor) and we don’t know why?

    Maybe the island is making Jack a pill-popping drunk because it wants him back.

  248. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="217388"][quote comment="217387"]Im not sure who asked this or if it has been answered but Jack DID have a scar. You could see it when he picked up the razor when he was by the sink and Kate was taking a shower.[/quote]

    Still wouldn’t surprise me if the island completely healed it. Same thing when we didn’t see Locke’s bullet scar… Rose knows.

    The island can heal and the island can make you sick. Maybe it made Jack sick because he’s trying to leave. Maybe it made Ben sick (his cancerous tumor) and we don’t know why?

    Maybe the island is making Jack a pill-popping drunk because it wants him back.[/quote]
    ————–
    Comment 203 has a link. In the bottom middle picture there looks to be a scar.

  249. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="217382"][quote comment="217365"]Curt Schilling lost to the Yankees 5-0 on August 30, 2007. In that game Robinson Cano hit 2 home runs. ARod was 0-3 in the game, with a run, walk and sstolen base. Nothing to spectacular. If that date is correct, how old would that make Aaron?[/quote]

    Check this out. http://www.buddytv.com/articles/Image/LOST/egg410-newspaper.jpg%5B/quote%5D
    ———-
    That’s where I got comment 237 from. Aaron looks about 3.

  250. Trixanna says:

    [quote comment="217222"]Most of the episode titles seem to have more than one meaning. The obvious meaning for this ep would be Kate at home for Jack. Any thoughts on a different meaning? Maybe Jin making sure Sun gets home, making her his “something nice back home?” Just guessing….[/quote]
    That is a direct quote from Bernard when he was telling Jack to dream before putting him under.

  251. Trixanna says:

    When Jack got the phone call from work, what exactly did the lady on the other end say to him? It was something like, “I know how important your calendar is to you”. Is he having issues with remembering dates because of the time warp? Did she say it because he is hung over all the time? Not sure what she said but I am sure it was significant.

    Loved the show!!! Rose rocks!

  252. Donger says:

    ha ha. very funny.

  253. Donger says:

    [quote comment="217280"]Maybe Smokey isn’t so good at killing people. He’s only killed two in the whole time he’s been there, and if you hide in those trees he can’t get you. He could have gotten Locke that time that Locke just stood there and stared at him (don’t remember what season that was), but he didn’t. Maybe he just wanted to scare the people?[/quote]

    I think smokey only kills when it wants to, and for a reason. It seems like it could have easily killed Locke in season 2, and Juliet in season 3. Or Jack, Charlie & Kate in the pilot. Must not have killed the mercs for a reason.

    Heard it somewhere else, but, how about the smoke alarm going off? Smoke(y) is what sets them off, right?

  254. sector 7 says:

    Nice call, Donger. You rock!

    Here’s one to chew on: Claire didn’t know her dad had died.

  255. sector 7 says:

    Hey Donger, wouldn’t it be wierd if everyone disappeared from this blog the way Claire disappeared last night? Donger? Donger! Donger!!!

  256. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="217350"]Regarding the baseball article in the paper; in the five game sweep in 2006 that was mentioned earlier, a rod went 7 for 21 with five rbis but no home runs. for those of you that dont follow baseball, this is a decent series but no reason for jack to bring up a rod. we may need to find another sweep![/quote]
    I brought up the most recent sweep in post 106.

  257. sector 7 says:

    [quote comment="217398"][quote comment="217350"]Regarding the baseball article in the paper; in the five game sweep in 2006 that was mentioned earlier, a rod went 7 for 21 with five rbis but no home runs. for those of you that dont follow baseball, this is a decent series but no reason for jack to bring up a rod. we may need to find another sweep![/quote]
    I brought up the most recent sweep in post 106.[/quote]

    Yep. You deserve the credit for that one. Found it in your sleep no less.

  258. JamieGirl says:

    [quote comment="216971"][quote comment="216956"]ok that show made no sense, a waste of an episode, we didnt learn anything new other than jack has some serious problems, and what happened to claire? and what was kate doing for sawyer?[/quote]

    I guess we were watching different episodes because while this was not a “sit on the edge of your seat” episode, I found it both entertaining and compelling.

    We learned that flash forwards do not occur in reverse chronological order.

    We learned that Kate and Jack got their happy “not quite an” ending.

    We learned how Sun and Jin will be separated.

    We learned something about Claire and Aaron’s separation.

    We learned that Miles hears whispers – perhaps they are always there, but average people only hear them on the island.

    We learned that Karl and Danielle are, indeed, dead.

    We learned that most of the freighter guys survived Smokey (I counted five, and I think Miles thought there were six).

    We learned that smoke alarm beeps sound mysteriously like the computer’s countdown beeps as it approached 108 minutes.

    We learned that Christian can appear in SOME form OFF the island.

    We learned that Charlie has appeared in SOME FORM repeatedly to Hurley.

    We saw the beginning of Jack’s downward spiral.

    We can look the S3 finale flashforward with new eyes – Kate said in THIS episode “for him” with the same tone and timbre that she said “he’s waiting” meaning that perhaps she WAS referencing Sawyer.

    So yeah… I learned a lot. Then again, Omar, I think you have had similar reactions to a number of episodes. Were I a catty person, I might say more.

    : ) P[/quote]

    .. And “Red” speaks Korean !

  259. nicunurse says:

    Great episode.
    Juliette working for Ben…I believe it could be.
    Aaron definitely could be close to 3…thanks for the research on the baseball article.
    So, we know Sun gave birth (approx 6 months post island), Hurley visited and was fine…two years later he is crazy and locked up…
    Wouldn’t surprise me to have Kate doing something for Sawyer but getting the info from Ben….
    Why did they make red know korean…why does that matter to the story line?
    Love the “can’t let Jack move, appendix might rupture” so he is up and walking to his OR tent.
    Did Jack want Kate in there so Juliet wouldn’t do something wrong (implant the device that was “implanted”in Sawyer…)
    Loved the “its too early for chinese…” line.
    Can hardly wait until next week…really, Jin is alive!!

  260. Trixanna says:

    Do you think that Red works for Mr. Paik? (Is that the right name… Sun’s Dad?) I don’t trust her at all. I hope they tell more about her soon. She is always so snotty!

  261. shells says:

    in an earlier episode (first part of the season, I think) there was a FF (?) of Daniel sittin in front of a TV looking kind of nuts and medicated and crying. There was a news report about finding the Oceanic flight. What was that all about? What’s he crying about?

  262. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="217415"]Why did they make red know korean…why does that matter to the story line?[/quote]
    They needed a creative way to set up the separation of Jin and Sun, though I guess since Jin is getting good with English, she didn’t need to know Korean.

  263. Rita says:

    [quote comment="217440"][quote comment="217415"]Why did they make red know korean…why does that matter to the story line?[/quote]
    They needed a creative way to set up the separation of Jin and Sun, though I guess since Jin is getting good with English, she didn’t need to know Korean.[/quote]
    ***************************
    At least they gave her something to do, some reason to be there. I think one of the reasons nobody likes her is because no one knows anything about her except that she found a polar bear in Tunisia. That, and she has a snotty attitude. She is starting to remind me of Nikki.

  264. intolost says:

    HI! Here goes:

    1. Juliet: Maybe I’ll end up blind-sided for this in revelations from future episodes, but as of now….Gotta love her! I feel the need to defend her. She along side Sawyer have greally grown to become big favorites of mine. I think she’s totally in love with Jack so that is one reason why she wanted to save his life. Her kiss and tell to Kate was a formal—yes, we both love him, but he truly loves you, Kate, and I’m stepping out of the triangle. I saved him for me, but for you, too. She made sure Jack heard it to get him to “wake up” and go after Kate!!!! Maybe a bit of redemption for her own devastating affair with Goodwin? The shaving….well, doesn’t a doc normally shave a large area around an incision area??? She’s alright…I think after the Goodwin murder and dying, pregnant women, she’s against Ben. She warned Jack about Ben’s jealousy. She’s chomping at the bit to get back to her sis and nephew to share in her sister’s happiness. She totally wants to see Sun get off the island to get some redemption for the loss of the pregnant women that so devastated her. Maybe even giving up her own rescue for Sun?

    2. Jack: He darn well knew he had apendicitis (sp?). He was a stubborn mule about it, trying to pass it off as food poisoning to Juliet. Come on! Well, yes, maybe he has decided he doesn’t trust Juliet anymore and wanted to risk it as opposed to letting her mess with it. I go with the stubborn theory, though. Wanting to control the operation himself? C’mon, Jack! Get a grip! Good for Juliet telling Bernard to “get him out of here!”
    Did any ponder how Jack immediately engaged Kate after Hurley’s foreboding? His reaction seemed to indicate he already knew/had been told of what Hurley said (by Christian?), Hurley confirmed it, and he wanted to immediately intervene and control it/fix it so it wouldn’t come true, for sis Claire’s sake and Aaron’s!
    Jack’s interrogation of Kate, re: phone converation….jealousy??? Nah! They are totally true loves! He has been very hands-off about the whole Kate/Sawyer thing. I think the phone reaction was an “oh, great, island crap and lies coming up again!!!! What now? Can I fix it/control it?”

    3. Lostie lies?: Okay, so are we getting into Losties covering up lies to fellow losties? Are there lies upon lies? I still can’t help but think Sun is covering up something about Jin to Hurley, and now Kate covering up something to Jack.

    4. Kate: Yes, so who was she talking to? Any remote possibility Kate was talking to Sawyer?

    5. Errand for Sawyer? Well, I can only think of Clementine, too. His money? I really think Sawyer may let that go. Maybe Kate would give money for Clementine since she got a “substantial settlement” from Oceanic. Sawyer’s money is dirty money from his dirty past. He changed. I don’t think he’d want to give his dirty money to his daughter now.

    6. The 4 tots: Want to know more about them.

    7. LOL—Star Wars thoughts:

    Luke Skywalker was raised by his Uncle Owen and Aunt Veru. Aaron is being raised by his uncle Jack??? Half-uncle? I felt like we got the hint in this last episode with his “You’re not even related to him! (but I am!?)” lash out to Kate that Jack has found out he’s related to Aaron. Good ‘ol Uncle Owen knew the dark secrets of his brother/Luke’s father, Anakin. Is there some dark secret about Aaron?

    Sawyer does seem a bit Han Solo-ish lately. The Millenium Falcon was Han Solo’s ship. Could this be an indicator we’ll see Sawyer come up again? When Sawyer and Kate were locked up together by the others, it seemed remniscent of Han Solo and Princess Leah locked up together..

  265. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="217456"][quote comment="217440"][quote comment="217415"]Why did they make red know korean…why does that matter to the story line?[/quote]
    They needed a creative way to set up the separation of Jin and Sun, though I guess since Jin is getting good with English, she didn’t need to know Korean.[/quote]
    ***************************
    At least they gave her something to do, some reason to be there. I think one of the reasons nobody likes her is because no one knows anything about her except that she found a polar bear in Tunisia. That, and she has a snotty attitude. She is starting to remind me of Nikki.[/quote]
    ————-
    She might work for Paik as Trixianna suggested. She does seem very snobby. She has lied to them from the very beginning when she told them “we are here to rescue you”, when she must have known, like Faraday, that was NOT their mission. She might, however, be turning the corner. We will have to wait and see if she “saves” Sun, as she told Jin she would.

  266. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="217506"] Trixianna .[/quote]
    Sorry Trixanna

  267. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="217403"]

    .. And “Red” speaks Korean ![/quote]
    .. And the “spectacular kiss”. Was that the off-island kiss that D&C were talking about?

  268. RGS says:

    I thought the term “Smokie” was just a fan created nickname for the monster, and not that it is actually made of smoke, can anyone confirm that it is actually made of smoke? I also thought somewhere in the podcasts D&C made a reference to the fact that the “Smoke” monster is not quite made of smoke.

    Anyway that may dispel the idea that it was setting off the smoke alarm (which wasn’t exactly being set off, just beeping because the battery needed replacement).

    I don’t think there should be any doubt that this episode is BEFORE the Jack Meltdown. This is episode where we see how Jack began getting his pill prescription, the female “doctor” (lol, j/k) had no problem writing him a prescription, whereas in the later flash, he is sneaking around with it, using his pops as a ruse.

    I thought the reason that Miles heard Danielle was because her spirit was trying to prevent them from heading the direction they were going (was Karl’s talking too?) as her yelling, “no, no, no, etc.” did NOT occur when she got shot. Plus, Miles seems to talk to dead folks as if it is conversation, not as if he was following a trail.

  269. Bobbi says:

    [quote comment="217377"][quote comment="217370"]Can someone help me with something? Didn’t Jack say in the first flash forward…something about if anyone went and checked his father, he’d be even more drunk? As if Christian was alive and well? All this time I was assuming that somehow Christian was alive in future. Someone clarify for me?[/quote]

    By the time that scene happens, Jack has seen the apparitiion of his dead father at least once, probably more. Someone who is seeing their dead father (and probably speaking to him) might say something like that, don’t you think?

    Someone else mentioned that Sawyer might be dead and visiting Kate — but what about Jin visiting Sun? Now that makes sense when you think about how Sun thought she would see him when she was giving birth, no?[/quote]

    True. But when Jack says that to the other doctor in the scene, it was like there was no dispute. As if others could see Christian too, right? Jack says something about Christian being upstairs in the hospital ‘working’ and the other doctor didn’t even debate it.

    I’ll agree its possible for Sawyer to be visiting Kate. But I don’t think Jin/Sun meetings are taking place. If Sun was visited by Jin, I’m not sure she’d go visit his grave and talk to him about how much she misses him-seems like she’d just wait for him to visit again. Also, she spoke to the grave as if she must’ve been loopy when asking for him while speaking about the birth.

  270. lost4ever says:

    D and C on Kimmel

  271. RGS says:

    I’m going to need a few of you folks to sit down for this, but the impending, and probably Actor’s strike could push back Season 5 even further!

  272. sector 7 says:

    [quote comment="217518"][quote comment="217377"][quote comment="217370"]But when Jack says that to the other doctor in the scene, it was like there was no dispute. As if others could see Christian too, right? Jack says something about Christian being upstairs in the hospital ‘working’ and the other doctor didn’t even debate it.
    quote]
    __________________________
    I believe it was a pharmacist in that scene, not a doctor. And Jack did not mention anything about his dad “working upstairs”. The pharmacist told him he could not write his own RX, and Jack said it was his fathers name on the RX, and the pharmacist said she would have to call and verify, then the guy in line started saying, “hey don’t you know who this guy is…” and jack threw a fit and stormed off.

  273. sector 7 says:

    [quote comment="217560"][quote comment="217518"][quote comment="217377"][quote comment="217370"]But when Jack says that to the other doctor in the scene, it was like there was no dispute. As if others could see Christian too, right? Jack says something about Christian being upstairs in the hospital ‘working’ and the other doctor didn’t even debate it.
    quote]

    I believe it was a pharmacist in that scene, not a doctor. And Jack did not mention anything about his dad “working upstairs”. The pharmacist told him he could not write his own RX, and Jack said it was his fathers name on the RX, and the pharmacist said she would have to call and verify, then the guy in line started saying, “hey don’t you know who this guy is…” and jack threw a fit and stormed off.[/quote]
    Oh wait — maybe your talking abt the scene with dr. hammil… Jack says, “You get my father down here…” and everyone seems to think that since he said “down here” that it meant his father was working upstairs. Nope, no one ever said Jack’s father was working upstairs.

  274. Islander says:

    Rousseu & Carl….nothing stays buried on the island

    At first when Jack was feeling ill…I thought he was experiencing a rift in time like Desmond….that’s why he kept insisting -almost to himself – that he was dehydrated since that can lead to hallucinations.

    Didn’t Claire get sick on the island too?

    I like the theory that Charlotte is on the island, in part, working for Mr. Paik. As a result part of her mission: to keep Jin on the Island and away from Sun.

  275. tasha says:

    [quote comment="217526"]D and C on Kimmel[/quote]

    Wow. Did anyone else watch that tonite? Interesting…….

  276. chicago37 says:

    I was thinking that Bernard telling Jack to think of Something Nice Back Home was an indication that Jack’s flashforward is actually in his past. As I have posted before, my theory is that Jack has travelled back in time to the island and is reliving island events without knowing it. This would make sense because in his off island life he still has his flaws and hasn’t learned the island’s lessons. In the pilot episode Jack wakes up in a way very similar to how Ben woke up last week in the desert. And Jack tells Kate that he blacked out and doesn’t remember the plane crash. Kate, in contrast, remembers the whole thing.

    The whole appendectomy scar, however, is confusing because he doesn’t have the scar on the island before the surgery. The scar must be significant though because there was no other reason for the extended towel scene in the flash forward except to show us Jack’s appendectomy scar.

  277. mardacara says:

    [quote comment="217233"]Quite simply, what if Charles Widmore is Ben’s constant and vice versa?

    More thoughts like that at http://robotindisguiseblog.blogspot.com/%5B/quote%5D

    Oh my, that’s quite the good thought. It would explain a LOT.

    Additional thoughts:
    1) Jack has no scar, but I’m not sure that means anything. Locke has no scar either and when they remove your kidney, they about cut you in half. He should have a huge, highly visible scar.

    2) I think that Hurley, sad as it may be, is quite crazy. I don’t believe the six are dead. I was one of the “the surviors are dead” theorists in season two, and we were told specifically by the producers that the losties are not dead. Unless, like Whitmore, they are changing the rules as they go.

    3) I was thinking about what would cause Kate to keep such a secret from Jack, knowing how badly he would react to that refusal after she told him that involved Sawyer. I thought of two possibilities: 1) by helping Sawyer, she is doing something illegal and placing herself at risk by breaking the terms of her parole or
    2) she was talking to Ben on the phone and that he is manipulating her bond with Sawyer. She would never tell Jack if she was in contact with Ben.

    4)An FYI – the drugs that Jack asked for are a benzodiapine – medications that are typically prescribed for issues of anxiety, and less typically insomnia. They can be highly addicting, and a very poor choice to drink alcohol on top of – a really addictive type of behavior. With his future downward spiral a la other FFs, clearly this is his jumping off place. This combo of drugs and booze is going to create a really flat affect, impulsivity and poor judgement, so yeah, Jack’s happy place is going all kinds of south.

    I just can’t decide if it’s because he saw his dead dad or because he has taken to heart the prophecy of Charlie, and that he’s “not supposed to raise him.” Maybe he is terrified that his happy life is going to be torn away from him, that they were better off staying on the island and that they made the wrong choice because that wasn’t what the island wanted them to do. I think that Charlie is not a benign ghost – he was so jealous in life – why not death?

  278. mardacara says:

    And oh yeah, I forgot….

    I’m not buying that Daniel is all that good either. That dealio between him and Red – seemed just a bit too good cop/bad cop, plus outside the medical station, that look that passed between the two of them seemed to have significance to me. I’m not convinced that he’s a bad guy, but I completely believe that he’s holding secrets and that he has his own ulterior motive for wanting to be on the island. And if the losties get in the way of his accomplishing that goal, I don’t doubt that he will look at them as so much chattle.

    Also I’m not sure that Jack getting sick is highly significant. I know Rose believes that everyone that comes to the island is healed, but why then do pregnant women die? (Not that pregnancy is an illness, but still…) Maybe it is another faith vs. science issue.

  279. tickles says:

    I think Kate is having to work with/for Ben. Maybe in return for getting to raise Aaron or the sweet deal she got on the murder charges. She never says she is talking to or meeting Sawyer..it is always “him.” But that she did do a favor for Sawyer. I would guess meeting Ben and doing whatever he wants her to do (ala Sayid) is a favor for Sawyer if that is why Ben is allowing Sawyer to remain alive. Jack considers Ben to be the “bad guy” so to learn Kate is working with/for him would totally mess with his mind.
    Claire did know her father. But does not know He is also Jack’s father. Jack’s father was in the casket on the plane that Jack found empty. Why wasn’t Claire a little puzzled as to why her father showed up on the island? Could Claire actually be dead from the blast? Miles could see Christian because he does “see dead people”.

  280. tickles says:

    Just had another thought…instead of Jack’s “visitor” being his father….which we all saw coming miles away. Wouldn’t it had been cool if Claire had been Jack’s visitor?
    She could have revealed the whole “my father is your father” bit…thereby ensuring Jack would feel even more guilt about the people he left on the island.
    Also, I adore Hurley. I think he is so sweet and adorable. Perhaps the most innocent of all. Maybe that is why he is having more trouble than the others dealing with leaving everyone else on the island. I wish Charlie would help him cope with everything a little more. I don’t think Charlie would ever wish harm on Hurley. It has been said that the mad are just a tad bit closer to the veil between life and death…maybe that is why Charlie visits Hurley so often.

  281. Trixanna says:

    [quote comment="217575"]And oh yeah, I forgot….

    I’m not buying that Daniel is all that good either. That dealio between him and Red – seemed just a bit too good cop/bad cop, plus outside the medical station, that look that passed between the two of them seemed to have significance to me. [/quote]
    I agree. The conversation when he said to her, “That is why they don’t trust us” seemed wierd to me too. I still trust him over her though. She is too sneaky somehow.

  282. Polli Kovitch says:

    Just because the O-6 survive does not rule out that some of the FREIGHTORS survive as well.

    1) It is auspicious that Charlotte speaks Korean. It is not random. We will see her again and in relationship to Sun in Seoul.

    2) The Kate-Clemntine connection makes sense for Sawyer. And, yes, she could be carrying out work for Ben…not likely given her tone on the phone. She was relaxed and intimate..that’s what sets Jack off..the tone.

    3) Major questions: Who is alive? Does anyone die? Is Hurley wrong…really..or is simply in SHOCK because he has seen into the time-life-death loop?

    This episode rocked. Some of the bloggers prefer the high action in the Shape of Things to Come..which was, indeed, brilliantly executed. But, wisely..LOST comes through with a balance of the philosophical and the complexity of the human condition. Otherwise, it would simply be a really good sci-fi action film. LOST has it all.

  283. Bobbi says:

    Sector 7, that is what I was talking about. “get my father down here”. But he says.. something along the lines of ‘i bet he’s had more to drink than me’ (paraphrasing). But who wouldn’t think that means he were upstairs working. I’m so confused now.

  284. Rita says:

    [quote comment="217603"][quote comment="217575"]And oh yeah, I forgot….

    I’m not buying that Daniel is all that good either. That dealio between him and Red – seemed just a bit too good cop/bad cop, plus outside the medical station, that look that passed between the two of them seemed to have significance to me. [/quote]
    I agree. The conversation when he said to her, “That is why they don’t trust us” seemed wierd to me too. I still trust him over her though. She is too sneaky somehow.[/quote]
    *********************************
    Yes, I think it is clear that their imediate goal is to get the losties to trust them, to find out information, and Daniel sees Charlotte as messing that up. The look outside the medical station looked like “now we are getting somewhere”, like they are finally finding out what they are there to find out. I also agree with whomever said that the tots are on a one-way trip (and don’t know it). They are to be left behind also.

  285. Rita says:

    I keep coming back to the phone conversation of Kate’s that Jack walks in on too. Kate first lies about who she is talking to. Then, when pressed, all she says is “please trust me”, “you have to trust me”, over and over. Obviously, she knows that what it is that she is covering up is wrong, and would greatly upset Jack (that’s usually why people lie). She seemed a bit pathetic in her pleading. If I were Jack and saw that, I would be all the more suspicious and determined to find out what it was too. He wants to protect her and Aaron. How can he do that, with something so big and unpleasant hanging over Kate that she feels she has to lie about it? I don’t see it as Jack being a control freak like some of you do, but rather Jack trying to be the protector of those he loves, and being helpless to do so because he is being kept out of something huge and important.

  286. Rita says:

    [quote comment="217586"] Why wasn’t Claire a little puzzled as to why her father showed up on the island? Could Claire actually be dead from the blast? Miles could see Christian because he does “see dead people”.[/quote]
    ******************************
    I kind of like this idea. It would explain some things, like why Claire is separated from Aaron in the future. Also, it might explain why Miles kept pressing her to let him take the baby (“I’m really good with babies”) resulting in Sawyer laying down the “restraining order”. Miles would also be less inclined to follow two “ghosts” into the jungle at night, I think. As for Claire, I thought she WAS surprised to see her father on the island. She had no way to know that he was also Jack’s dad, but I’ll bet she knows it NOW, whether she is dead or not.

  287. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="217586"] Miles could see Christian because he does “see dead people”.[/quote]
    He hears dead people but we dont actually know if he can see them.

  288. Bobbi says:

    [quote comment="217610"][quote comment="217586"] Miles could see Christian because he does “see dead people”.[/quote]
    He hears dead people but we dont actually know if he can see them.[/quote]

    I think we can assume Miles ‘saw’ Christian. The conversation we saw, only had Claire speak. Miles described she went in the jungle with some guy, that she called Dad. Christian was holding the baby. I think Miles saw them. Especially because he was extremely interested when Claire said ‘at least i’m not seeing things anymore’. He immediately perked up and wanted to know what she saw. I think he sees things too.

  289. Rita says:

    [quote comment="217038"][quote comment="216844"][quote comment="216831"]
    [/quote]
    ————
    Sorry if I broke the rules ( unlike Widmore who just “changed them” ).[/quote]
    ********************************
    OK, this probably belong more on last week’s thread, but since it was brought up here (sort of :), I want to throw it in:
    I said this last week but no one else bit, so I have kept thinking about it, and still think it has merit. When Ben first said “He changed the rules” I thought he meant that JACOB had changed the rules, but later he said to Widmore “You changed the rules”. What I think he really meant was something more like “You changed the rules AND JACOB LET YOU”, or “What you did (killing Alex) shouldn’t have been able to happen, (like Michael couldn’t kill himself, etc.) but it did, so JACOB CHANGED THE RULES (via your action)”. Make any sense? If we understand “rules” to be mafia-type agreements, then maybe not. But if we see “rules” to be island-“laws of physics/metaphysics” (like the island won’t let you kill yourself), then it would have to be Jacob who changed the rules. Why bring this up now? OK, Locke and Ben, along with Hurley, are going to go see Jacob about what to do next. If Jacob can change the rules, and in fact has done so, Ben could be in for a heap of trouble and left without a “plan”. Even he won’t know what to do now.

  290. tasha says:

    I don’t have any issues with Red. I think that her speaking Korean will be significant later. It’s like the whole sun speaking English. Jin could have just told her what he had to say in English….or her understanding might have something to do with the whole Daniel and her having a thing for each other. Regardless, we complained about Nikki and they killed her off. I really want to see why these 4 people were chosen to go to the island. Naomi didnt agree with it so they must be there for a bigger reason and I hope they dont die before we find out:(

  291. shells says:

    [quote comment="217615"]I don’t have any issues with Red. I think that her speaking Korean will be significant later. It’s like the whole sun speaking English. Jin could have just told her what he had to say in English….or her understanding might have something to do with the whole Daniel and her having a thing for each other. Regardless, we complained about Nikki and they killed her off. I really want to see why these 4 people were chosen to go to the island. Naomi didnt agree with it so they must be there for a bigger reason and I hope they dont die before we find out:([/quote]
    I think Red was chosen to figure out the hieroglyphs, Daniel the time stuff, Miles the Jacob stuff, and Lapidus pilot stuff (?)

  292. DocH says:

    [quote comment="217616"]
    I think Red was chosen to figure out the hieroglyphs, Daniel the time stuff, Miles the Jacob stuff, and Lapidus pilot stuff (?)
    [/quote]
    Then why is Miles headed back to the beach with Sawyer, away from Jacob, rather than going to the cabin with Locke & Ben.

  293. Polli Kovitch says:

    Charlotte speaks Korean for a reason.

    법 This is the symbol in KOREAN for DHARMA

    Which means LAW. She is tied into Sun and her baby. We will see more of Charlotte.

  294. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="217611"][quote comment="217610"][quote comment="217586"] Miles could see Christian because he does “see dead people”.[/quote]
    He hears dead people but we dont actually know if he can see them.[/quote]

    I think we can assume Miles ‘saw’ Christian. The conversation we saw, only had Claire speak. Miles described she went in the jungle with some guy, that she called Dad. Christian was holding the baby. I think Miles saw them. Especially because he was extremely interested when Claire said ‘at least i’m not seeing things anymore’. He immediately perked up and wanted to know what she saw. I think he sees things too.[/quote]
    ————–
    I disagree. I wouldn’t assume to much. All that happened was they showed Miles sleeping next to Sawyer, then Claire seeing CS holding Aaron and saying “Dad”. That’s it. There is no evidence, YET, the he saw CS. JMO

  295. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="217567"][quote comment="217526"]D and C on Kimmel[/quote]

    Wow. Did anyone else watch that tonite? Interesting…….[/quote]
    ————-
    Is what they said on Kimmel last night considered a “spoiler”?

  296. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="217617"][quote comment="217616"]
    I think Red was chosen to figure out the hieroglyphs, Daniel the time stuff, Miles the Jacob stuff, and Lapidus pilot stuff (?)
    [/quote]
    Then why is Miles headed back to the beach with Sawyer, away from Jacob, rather than going to the cabin with Locke & Ben.[/quote]
    ————–
    He looks scared as hell and wants to get off the island. “I didn’t sign up for this”.

  297. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="217608"]I keep coming back to the phone conversation of Kate’s that Jack walks in on too. [/quote]
    Kate says “Yeah I’ll just have the nanny stay for an extra couple of hours”…. “Jack’s never home before 8 anyways”… “I could stay for at least an hour”.

  298. RonDi says:

    After reading these posts, however, it does seem more plausible that she’d doing something for Sawyer/Cassidy/Clementine.[/quote]

    If Kate is meeting with Sawyer’s daughter’s mother so she can do something for Clementine, that will be great – Kate and Cassidy have already met. They’ll realize they’ve both been in love with him!! Can’t wait to see that scene!

  299. Trixanna says:

    [quote comment="217612"][quote comment="217038"][quote comment="216844"][quote comment="216831"]
    [/quote]
    ————
    When Ben first said “He changed the rules” I thought he meant that JACOB had changed the rules, but later he said to Widmore “You changed the rules”. What I think he really meant was something more like “You changed the rules AND JACOB LET YOU”, or “What you did (killing Alex) shouldn’t have been able to happen, (like Michael couldn’t kill himself, etc.) but it did, so JACOB CHANGED THE RULES (via your action)”. Make any sense? If we understand “rules” to be mafia-type agreements, then maybe not. But if we see “rules” to be island-“laws of physics/metaphysics” (like the island won’t let you kill yourself), then it would have to be Jacob who changed the rules. Why bring this up now? OK, Locke and Ben, along with Hurley, are going to go see Jacob about what to do next. If Jacob can change the rules, and in fact has done so, Ben could be in for a heap of trouble and left without a “plan”. Even he won’t know what to do now.[/quote]

    Wow, Ben without a plan? No wonder he seems terrified now. I like your line of thinking. If Jacob let Widmore change the rules, Ben must be wondering where he stands now.

  300. Bobbi says:

    I really am starting to think that the four (charlotte, daniel, lapidus, and miles) were sent there for some purpose by Widmore. However, I think he chose those particular four so that he could get rid of them too. Charlotte obviously has some investigative intrigue into Dharma (the polar bear scene in Middle East). Lapidus was upset about the ‘lie’ of the plane being found under sea. Perhaps Miles also knew it was a lie since he has some death/life line capabilities. Anyway, I think the plan is for the freighties to get rid of those four or leave them on island. All four of them act as though they aren’t really part of the freightie crew, as if they are ‘guests’ along for ride. Even Lapidus was calling Keamy ‘sir’, as if he were lower on food chain than him.

  301. DocH says:

    [quote comment="217628"]
    He looks scared as hell and wants to get off the island. “I didn’t sign up for this”.[/quote]
    I think he did sign-up for the Jacob part of it. When he said “I didn’t sign up for THIS”… in context… I believe he was referencing the Keamy/mercenary attack (murder Alex) part of it.
    [quote comment="217622"]
    Charlotte speaks Korean for a reason.
    [/quote]
    I think fluency in many languages would be part of her repertoire as a PhD in ‘Cultural’ Anthropology. She spoke/read French in Tunisia.

    If Korea/Paik is part of the Dharma legacy (her quest?), then maybe she is fluent solely for that reason. Not necessarily for Ji Yeon. —Naomi spoke many languages, Ben and Mikhail too.
    [quote comment="217627"]
    Is what they said on Kimmel last night considered a “spoiler”?
    [/quote]
    I am going to say yes. I did not hear a single word the producers said, as I surfed in late. What I saw was the last clip they showed for next weeks’ episode. That easily qualifies as a preview (spoiler) for next week, and (should be) off limits. If Cuse/Lindelof talked about next week, or explained the clip, then I’d say that qualifies as a spoiler too. Now, if they discussed what we saw this week, or non-specifics about where the show is going in general, then I’d say ‘not a spoiler’ cuz, it would be like a ‘podcast’ then.

    PS: I don’t know what else Kimmel showed, but WOW! What they did show was huge. Very entertaining and… WOW. I can see how you want to discuss it now.

  302. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="217647"]
    I think he did sign-up for the Jacob part of it. When he said “I didn’t sign up for THIS”… in context… I believe he was referencing the Keamy/mercenary attack (murder Alex) part of it.
    .[/quote]
    Agreed on Miles. I will NOT discuss the preview i saw on Kimmel. It was very fascinating. However, Kimmel asked him about Smokey and the mercs and how were they still alive. Damon replied that smokey “has certain rules for certain people”.

  303. DocH says:

    [quote comment="217648"]
    … asked him about Smokey and the mercs and how were they still alive. Damon replied that smokey “has certain rules for certain people”.
    [/quote]
    I agree… not a spoiler. In fact, I think they may have mentioned that before… or something to that effect.

    — I’m a curious to know Hammer’s opinion on this, or if Hammer saw Kimmel… then I remembered he is travelling this weekend and Milwaukee is near a Vile Vortice in Lake Michigan… we may never hear from Hammer again… or that there is a new character on the freighter… Hammer as ??? (replacement Doc, swabbie like Michael, replacement mercenary, new comm technician??? [;)

  304. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="217650"][quote comment="217648"]
    … asked him about Smokey and the mercs and how were they still alive. Damon replied that smokey “has certain rules for certain people”.
    [/quote]
    I agree… not a spoiler. In fact, I think they may have mentioned that before… or something to that effect.

    — I’m a curious to know Hammer’s opinion on this, or if Hammer saw Kimmel… then I remembered he is travelling this weekend and Milwaukee is near a Vile Vortice in Lake Michigan… we may never hear from Hammer again… or that there is a new character on the freighter… Hammer as ??? (replacement Doc, swabbie like Michael, replacement mercenary, new comm technician??? [;)[/quote]
    ———–
    Maybe Hammer was the one on the phone with Kate. And she wanted to meet him and find out what the whispers meant.

  305. DocH says:

    [quote comment="217653"]
    Maybe Hammer was the one on the phone with Kate. And she wanted to meet him and find out what the whispers meant.
    [/quote]
    Oh we are so in busted when Hammer gets back on-line. We’ll be in trouble like a couple of teenagers who threw a party in their parents house when they went away for the weekend. He is gonna throw us in “The Brig” and lock us up tighter than a liquor cabinet on prom night….

  306. DocH says:

    (I posted this elsewhere yesterday, I’ll share it here… having seen the Kimmel clip.)
    =================
    [quote]
    My youngest (13) just got home from school and showed me a poem (1 of 3) she got an A on today from her English teacher. She says her teacher likes and watches Lost too. The Jacob plotline has always interested her the most and that is what she usually wants to talk about after the show aires. She is worried lately about the trek to find the cabin.

    – Locke’s Prayer –
    Now I lay me down to sleep,
    With Ben Linus at my feet,
    Guard me Jacob through the night,
    And keep Mister Smokie out of sight.
    – – – –
    hmmm – what to do?, what to do? at least the other two poems weren’t Lost related.
    Posted by: DocH at May 2, 2008 5:43 PM
    [/quote]

  307. Trixanna says:

    [quote comment="217657"](=================
    [quote]

    – Locke’s Prayer –
    Now I lay me down to sleep,
    With Ben Linus at my feet,
    Guard me Jacob through the night,
    And keep Mister Smokie out of sight.
    – – – –
    hmmm – what to do?, what to do? at least the other two poems weren’t Lost related.
    Posted by: DocH at May 2, 2008 5:43 PM
    [/quote][/quote]
    That is too funny DocH!!! That should be posted somewhere… Lostpedia??

    Anyway, I think that you and Lost4ever are in big trouble!!! I first thought that maybe Hammer wouldn’t read ALL of the posts and just skip through them but then came to my senses. Too funny… maybe he has been busted though and IS meeting Kate.

  308. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="217665"][quote comment="217657"](=================
    [quote]

    – Locke’s Prayer –
    Now I lay me down to sleep,
    With Ben Linus at my feet,
    Guard me Jacob through the night,
    And keep Mister Smokie out of sight.
    – – – –
    hmmm – what to do?, what to do? at least the other two poems weren’t Lost related.
    Posted by: DocH at May 2, 2008 5:43 PM
    [/quote][/quote]
    That is too funny DocH!!! That should be posted somewhere… Lostpedia??

    Anyway, I think that you and Lost4ever are in big trouble!!! I first thought that maybe Hammer wouldn’t read ALL of the posts and just skip through them but then came to my senses. Too funny… maybe he has been busted though and IS meeting Kate.[/quote]
    ++++++++++++++
    I met with Kate and she gave me the info for Clementine’s money. :)

    DocH and lost4ever, get in the room…and clean off that blood stain.

    I have not yet seen the Kimmel stuff, but I saw the previews and yes absolutley I want to talk about it.

    But as always, not going to compromise the integrity of the site. Damn….

  309. Hammer says:

    BTW, I’ve been walking around Milaukee for hours…I can’t find Lavergne and Shirley anywhere. Figure they could show me where the get the beer. :)

  310. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="217681"] Milaukee?…guess I don’t need anymore beer.[/quote]

  311. GUP says:

    Let me help you out here- Milwaukee and you need to drink more beer until you can spell it on your own!

  312. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="217685"]Let me help you out here- Milwaukee and you need to drink more beer until you can spell it on your own![/quote]
    Milwonkey….Millwalking…slurp…gonna keep trying. LMAO.

  313. GUP says:

    You’re getting there…maybe a little brandy too since your in WI.

  314. DocH says:

    Re: Hammer…
    The majority of authorities appear to consider Milwaukee as equivalent to “good land”. It was apparently pronounced by aboriginal North Americans as “Meneawkee” or “Mahnawaukee,” probably a Potawatomi word meaning “a rich beautiful land.” Early settlers were inclined to believe that the name was derived from the blending of two words, “Mellioke,” the old name of the river, and “Mahn-a-waukke,” the gathering place. Many spellings were given to the city’s name until, in 1844, it officially became “Milwaukee”. It is generally regarded as of Potawatomi origin, meaning “fine land.” It was known to have been an aboriginal North American council place, the chosen spot to ‘hang with Jacob’ and other sub-dieties like Carmine, Lenny, Squiggy (and the Squigtones).

    [Okay... that last little bit I made up. Find the nearest HofBrau Haus and atone for my sins!]

  315. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="217689"]Re: Hammer…
    The majority of authorities appear to consider Milwaukee as equivalent to “good land”. It was apparently pronounced by aboriginal North Americans as “Meneawkee” or “Mahnawaukee,” probably a Potawatomi word meaning “a rich beautiful land.” Early settlers were inclined to believe that the name was derived from the blending of two words, “Mellioke,” the old name of the river, and “Mahn-a-waukke,” the gathering place. Many spellings were given to the city’s name until, in 1844, it officially became “Milwaukee”. It is generally regarded as of Potawatomi origin, meaning “fine land.” It was known to have been an aboriginal North American council place, the chosen spot to ‘hang with Jacob’ and other sub-dieties like Carmine, Lenny, Squiggy (and the Squigtones).

    [Okay... that last little bit I made up. Find the nearest HofBrau Haus and atone for my sins!][/quote]
    LOL. The first part sounded like what Alice Cooper told Wayne and Garth in the movie Wayne’s World. :)

  316. tasha says:

    [quote comment="217627"][quote comment="217567"][quote comment="217526"]D and C on Kimmel[/quote]

    Wow. Did anyone else watch that tonite? Interesting…….[/quote]
    ————-
    Is what they said on Kimmel last night considered a “spoiler”?[/quote]

    I believe they kind of clarified some things about this episode around Jack getting sick. Not really sure if it is a spoiler.

  317. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="217697"][quote comment="217627"][quote comment="217567"][quote comment="217526"]D and C on Kimmel[/quote]

    Wow. Did anyone else watch that tonite? Interesting…….[/quote]
    ————-
    Is what they said on Kimmel last night considered a “spoiler”?[/quote]

    I believe they kind of clarified some things about this episode around Jack getting sick. Not really sure if it is a spoiler.[/quote]
    ++++++
    Finally found it. What they said IMO isn’t a spoiler, to me it’s like the podcasts. BUT the preview they showed is very much a spoiler as defined by this blog and should NOT be brought up.

  318. Evan says:

    Just finally watched the episode…had to DVR it wasn’t around til now, thus i havent read all the posts and hope i’m not belaboring points….here are some thoughts:

    Omar, this show made no sense? are you crazy? this show revealed alot, and if you can’t see it, then you should try to think about it

    The biggest issue in this show: Jack is not supposed to be the father figure for aaron for whatever reason…this show made it very apparent that sawyer is supposed to father aaron…aaron was left in a very Moses-esque kind of way and now Sawyer has found him, he should be the father

    The whole fact that these people may be dead makes me a very mad viewer, that would be such a cop out, and although the show has been interesting, if all these people were truly dead and living in a purgatory (island) and some got off purgatory and got into heaven (Oceanic 6), i just wouldn’t be happy…

    However, I think that because it is only Season 4, they will be showing that our islanders are not dead and that theory will be shot down…

  319. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="217705"]Just finally watched the episode…had to DVR it wasn’t around til now, thus i havent read all the posts and hope i’m not belaboring points….here are some thoughts:

    Omar, this show made no sense? are you crazy? this show revealed alot, and if you can’t see it, then you should try to think about it

    The biggest issue in this show: Jack is not supposed to be the father figure for aaron for whatever reason…this show made it very apparent that sawyer is supposed to father aaron…aaron was left in a very Moses-esque kind of way and now Sawyer has found him, he should be the father

    The whole fact that these people may be dead makes me a very mad viewer, that would be such a cop out, and although the show has been interesting, if all these people were truly dead and living in a purgatory (island) and some got off purgatory and got into heaven (Oceanic 6), i just wouldn’t be happy…

    However, I think that because it is only Season 4, they will be showing that our islanders are not dead and that theory will be shot down…[/quote]
    The purgatory theory was shot down years ago by Damon and I still believe him.

  320. Evan says:

    Ok thats good to hear…but you can’t tell me that’s what they were aiming at in the episode

  321. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="217708"]Ok thats good to hear…but you can’t tell me that’s what they were aiming at in the episode[/quote]
    Sorry, I don’t understand your comment.

  322. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="217705"]
    The biggest issue in this show: Jack is not supposed to be the father figure for aaron for whatever reason…this show made it very apparent that sawyer is supposed to father aaron…aaron was left in a very Moses-esque kind of way and now Sawyer has found him, he should be the father
    [/quote]
    While I agree that the island does not want Jack to be Aaron’s father, I am not sure that Sawyer is supposed to be. Does “finders keepers” apply in this situation?
    I am not to familiar with the details of the story of Moses though. I know he was Aaron’s younger brother and a descendant of Jacob. Hmmm.

  323. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="217676"]
    DocH and lost4ever, get in the room…and clean off that blood stain.
    [/quote]
    Oh Captain! My Captain! too funny. Can DocH clean the blood though and I’ll fix the engine and whip up some lima bean soup.

    Sidenote- Go Hawks….beat the creampuffs.

  324. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="217698"][quote comment="217697"][quote comment="217627"][quote comment="217567"][quote comment="217526"]D and C on Kimmel[/quote]

    Wow. Did anyone else watch that tonite? Interesting…….[/quote]
    ————-
    Is what they said on Kimmel last night considered a “spoiler”?[/quote]

    I believe they kind of clarified some things about this episode around Jack getting sick. Not really sure if it is a spoiler.[/quote]
    ++++++
    Finally found it. What they said IMO isn’t a spoiler, to me it’s like the podcasts. BUT the preview they showed is very much a spoiler as defined by this blog and should NOT be brought up.[/quote]

    __________________________
    Ok. I missed the interview. What did they say?

  325. PJSander says:

    For those who want to see D&C on Kimmel, you can find it here:

    If you DON’T want to see the clip of next week’s show, just stop when they go to the clip because there is nothing of note in the interview after that. (Just Kimmel saying, “thanks to D&C, stay tuned for…”)

    I did not watch the clip – if people who watched it want to talk about it so badly, I need to stay away! LOL

    I also have an article that I pulled out of TVGuide a few weeks ago. I folded it and tucked it under my blotter. I think it will be safe to read it after the season finale *G*.

    : ) P

  326. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="217738"]

    I did not watch the clip – if people who watched it want to talk about it so badly, I need to stay away! LOL

    : ) P[/quote]
    I will not talk about it until next week. When is the appropriate time? I am sure it will be one of the previews posted on this blog. Is it fair game when the post starts or after the episode airs. I have no problem with either. Just wondering what others think.

  327. tasha says:

    I don’t think there is much to talk about regarding the clip. It was nothing we don’t know. I just wanted everyone to know they D and C were on.

  328. tasha says:

    Oh! And about Jack being sick.

  329. Lins says:

    About Charlotte speaking Korean…when they first showed her at the dig site of the polar bear, she was reading a newspaper in some language about the “finding of OA815″ and the girl she was with asked her how many languages she needed to read it in to believe it and she asked how many languages are there…I think being multi-lingual goes with her profession as an anthropologist so it really wasn’t that surprising…

  330. PJSander says:

    You may have something with the Aaron as Moses connection. The story of Moses follows a similar plot of many ancient legends (a baby cast out and raised by another). In the story of Moses, the Pharaoh of Egypt was concerned about the growing number of Israelites and called for all baby boys to be executed. When Moses was born, the family hid him until he was too old to hide. They put him in a basket and set him out on the water, where he was caught in some reeds. The Pharaoh’s daughter found him and hired HIS OWN MOTHER (not knowing she WAS his mother) to care for him. He is raised as an Egyptian Prince.

    There is a lot of similar mythology between the story of Moses and Aaron’s story.

    Interesting…

    : ) P

  331. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="217626"][quote comment="217611"][quote comment="217610"][quote comment="217586"] Miles could see Christian because he does “see dead people”.[/quote]
    He hears dead people but we dont actually know if he can see them.[/quote]

    I think we can assume Miles ‘saw’ Christian. The conversation we saw, only had Claire speak. Miles described she went in the jungle with some guy, that she called Dad. Christian was holding the baby. I think Miles saw them. Especially because he was extremely interested when Claire said ‘at least i’m not seeing things anymore’. He immediately perked up and wanted to know what she saw. I think he sees things too.[/quote]
    ————–
    I disagree. I wouldn’t assume to much. All that happened was they showed Miles sleeping next to Sawyer, then Claire seeing CS holding Aaron and saying “Dad”. That’s it. There is no evidence, YET, the he saw CS. JMO[/quote]

    _______________________
    Miles said,
    “She wasn’t alone”.
    “She called HIM dad.”
    “I would have followed THEM…”
    Case closed.

  332. Polli Kovitch says:

    - The argument that Charlotte would speak KOREAN because she is an anthropologist does not hold up. Korean is an extremely rare language for an anthropologist to know. As a researcher in Tunisia…she would would need Arabic. Only a small percentage speak French (This is not Morocco). SHE was selected for this journey and her work because of her Korean..her empirical skills as a scientist..and because she is relentless. We will see her again back in Seoul with Sun and her baby.

  333. Polli Kovitch says:

    The MOSES story does not fully work here. Moses was a son of Amram not Jacob. The notion of the woman leaving her son to save him does follow the story line.

    Sawyer is developing a real attachment and protective attitude toward Claire and Aaron. He will stay on the Island to find Claire.

  334. Polli Kovitch says:

    Here’s a new take on Aaron..and would like to hear any response.

    Aaron’s actual father is THOMAS, an artist, back in Australia. We never know his last name. ONE OF HIS paintings is in WIDMORE”S office. THOMAS could be WIDMORE’s son…since Widmore has an Australia accent. THIS MEANS that AARON is Christian Shepards’s and Widmore’s grandson.

  335. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="217741"]I don’t think there is much to talk about regarding the clip. It was nothing we don’t know. I just wanted everyone to know they D and C were on.[/quote]
    tasha is wrong about the clip. If you don’t want to be spoiled you MUST avoid it. Especially if you saw the promo after Thursday’s episode.

    Sorry tasha, but you didn’t pick up on something very important.

  336. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="217934"]The MOSES story does not fully work here. Moses was a son of Amram not Jacob. [/quote]
    ————
    I don’t think it was ever stated that Jacob was Moses’ father. Moses was a descendant of Jacob.

  337. Polli Kovitch says:

    [quote comment="218041"][quote comment="217934"]The MOSES story does not fully work here. Moses was a son of Amram not Jacob. [/quote]
    ————
    I don’t think it was ever stated that Jacob was Moses’ father. Moses was a descendant of Jacob.[/quote]

    Fair point. However, it all seems a stretch. A sidetrack. More immediate is the connection to the real father, THOMAS, who has no name but has a painting in WIDMORE”S office.

  338. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="217745"]
    Miles said,
    “She wasn’t alone”.
    “She called HIM dad.”
    “I would have followed THEM…”
    Case closed.[/quote]
    What is YOUR verdict? That is circumstantial evidence to me. He could have easily just heard the conversation with his ability. But that is my opinion.

  339. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="218042"][quote comment="218041"][quote comment="217934"]The MOSES story does not fully work here. Moses was a son of Amram not Jacob. [/quote]
    ————
    I don’t think it was ever stated that Jacob was Moses’ father. Moses was a descendant of Jacob.[/quote]

    Fair point. However, it all seems a stretch. A sidetrack. More immediate is the connection to the real father, THOMAS, who has no name but has a painting in WIDMORE”S office.[/quote]
    ————-
    That has been talked about before on this blog. The Painting. You say it is one of Thomas’? It appears in Widmore’s office years before it is in Thomas’ apartment. Maybe it is Widmore’s painting given to Thomas?

  340. sector7 says:

    With all the father/son/grandfather speculation going on I want to throw this out there. I think Christian Shephard is the son of Jacob. Charles Widmore might also be a son of Jacob. Just a theory. We’ll see!

  341. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="218051"]With all the father/son/grandfather speculation going on I want to throw this out there. I think Christian Shephard is the son of Jacob. Charles Widmore might also be a son of Jacob. Just a theory. We’ll see![/quote]
    I like it or maybe some other sort of decendants, hold on to that one.

  342. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="217999"]. If you don’t want to be spoiled you MUST avoid it. Especially if you saw the promo after Thursday’s episode.
    [/quote].
    I thought up until the clip was basically a podcast. They reviewed things about the last 2 shows. Is that really “spoilers”?

  343. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="218054"][quote comment="217999"]. If you don’t want to be spoiled you MUST avoid it. Especially if you saw the promo after Thursday’s episode.
    [/quote].
    I thought up until the clip was basically a podcast. They reviewed things about the last 2 shows. Is that really “spoilers”?[/quote]
    ++++++++
    I meant the “clip” of next week’s episode that they show at the end. I already stated that what D&C said is like a podcast. But as defined by this blog, previews are a spoiler.

  344. lhardeenarrow says:

    Two weeks ago Ben’s daughter “surrendered” to the killers of her mom and boyfriend. To whom did she surrender? I didn’t see her among the mercenaries that Lapidus kept away from Sawyer, Miles, Claire and baby.

  345. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="218055"][quote comment="218054"][quote comment="217999"]. If you don’t want to be spoiled you MUST avoid it. Especially if you saw the promo after Thursday’s episode.
    [/quote].
    I thought up until the clip was basically a podcast. They reviewed things about the last 2 shows. Is that really “spoilers”?[/quote]
    ++++++++
    I meant the “clip” of next week’s episode that they show at the end. I already stated that what D&C said is like a podcast. But as defined by this blog, previews are a spoiler.[/quote]
    Okay friends, I have to wrap up my meeting with Kate here in Milkwally (one more beer). Checking in when I get back on the road…Kenosha is pretty this time of year Gup! Luckily I got enough Lost in to avoid the Kenosha Chapter LAA meetings.

  346. lost4ever says:

    Maybe Jack gets sick because he fixed Ben. People seem to get sick when they fall out of communion with the island.
    The “promise” between Kate and Sawyer might occur when Sawyer gives Aaron to Kate.

  347. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="218056"]Two weeks ago Ben’s daughter “surrendered” to the killers of her mom and boyfriend.

    To whom did she surrender? I didn’t see her among the mercenaries that Lapidus kept away from Sawyer, Miles, Claire and baby.[/quote]
    You must have missed a very important episode. If not, I would click on lat weeks thread “The Shape of Things to Come”. There are some very interesting points there.

  348. tasha says:

    [quote comment="217999"][quote comment="217741"]I don’t think there is much to talk about regarding the clip. It was nothing we don’t know. I just wanted everyone to know they D and C were on.[/quote]
    tasha is wrong about the clip. If you don’t want to be spoiled you MUST avoid it. Especially if you saw the promo after Thursday’s episode.

    Sorry tasha, but you didn’t pick up on something very important.[/quote]

    Sorry you are right. I didn’t mean for people to watch it! I was thinking about the preview. Totally my fault. I should have been more careful in what I wrote€:(

  349. MiraKS says:

    OK- going on of a little tangent here regarding Smokie.
    What if Smokie is sort of a manifastation of people’s bad Karma in a way. If you put out a lot of bad Karma out there in your life, it will haunt you. But, if you atone for whatever you have done, or come to terms with it and accept it, it will go easier on you. For example, it attacked Mr. Echo, but he had come to turns with it doing so, because he knew what he had done. Last week Ben pointed out to the gun-guy (sorry name escapes me) that he had done some bad things in his past, and Smokie was not very nice to him. Smokie checked out Kate and Juliet in the jungle, but might have seen that they have started to right their wrongs and left them alone.
    Not quite sure if this works, but it is an idea.

  350. Polli Kovitch says:

    [quote comment="218045"][quote comment="218042"][quote comment="218041"][quote comment="217934"]The MOSES story does not fully work here. Moses was a son of Amram not Jacob. [/quote]
    ————
    I don’t think it was ever stated that Jacob was Moses’ father. Moses was a descendant of Jacob.[/quote]

    Fair point. However, it all seems a stretch. A sidetrack. More immediate is the connection to the real father, THOMAS, who has no name but has a painting in WIDMORE”S office.[/quote]
    ————-
    That has been talked about before on this blog. The Painting. You say it is one of Thomas’? It appears in Widmore’s office years before it is in Thomas’ apartment. Maybe it is Widmore’s painting given to Thomas?[/quote

    —–
    You are good. You always raise insightful points. I mean it.

    Regarding the painting..there is nothing to suggest that what we see first in Widmore’s first was not Thomas’s creation. There is also something unsophisticated about the painting..early work..childlike. Thomas could have brought it with him.

  351. Trixanna says:

    [quote comment="218201"]OK- going on of a little tangent here regarding Smokie.
    What if Smokie is sort of a manifastation of people’s bad Karma in a way. If you put out a lot of bad Karma out there in your life, it will haunt you. But, if you atone for whatever you have done, or come to terms with it and accept it, it will go easier on you. For example, it attacked Mr. Echo, but he had come to turns with it doing so, because he knew what he had done. Last week Ben pointed out to the gun-guy (sorry name escapes me) that he had done some bad things in his past, and Smokie was not very nice to him. Smokie checked out Kate and Juliet in the jungle, but might have seen that they have started to right their wrongs and left them alone.
    Not quite sure if this works, but it is an idea.[/quote]
    Karma is an idea that has been repeatedly brought up on the island. Good theory!

  352. RGS says:

    Wow even I got a little love on the Whisper theory, now when folks ask, and they are directed to that link, I’m an official co-signor. (*Doing my Prince Rogers Nelson Raspberry Beret* dance.)

    I don’t think he danced in “Anothalovaholeinyohead,” video though.

    I’m going to be interested in the signficance of that (if any) when it comes out.

  353. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="218065"][quote comment="217999"][quote comment="217741"]I don’t think there is much to talk about regarding the clip. It was nothing we don’t know. I just wanted everyone to know they D and C were on.[/quote]
    tasha is wrong about the clip. If you don’t want to be spoiled you MUST avoid it. Especially if you saw the promo after Thursday’s episode.

    Sorry tasha, but you didn’t pick up on something very important.[/quote]

    Sorry you are right. I didn’t mean for people to watch it! I was thinking about the preview. Totally my fault. I should have been more careful in what I wrote€:([/quote]
    It’s all good, I got your back. :)

  354. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="218228"]Wow even I got a little love on the Whisper theory, now when folks ask, and they are directed to that link, I’m an official co-signor. (*Doing my Prince Rogers Nelson Raspberry Beret* dance.)

    I don’t think he danced in “Anothalovaholeinyohead,” video though.

    I’m going to be interested in the signficance of that (if any) when it comes out.[/quote]
    Ahhh who loves you RGS? Come on…say it…say it…

    BTW, if we knew what you looked like, the dancing visual would have been even funnier!

  355. intolost says:

    Aaron: Aaron is a descendant of Jacob. In Exodus, Moses was directed by God to speak to Pharaoh to let the Israelite people go. Moses was scared and said he was slow of speech and tongue, so God said his brother, Aaron would speak for Moses. Later on, Aaron and his sons were the priests of the tabernacle (temple). Maybe our LOST Aaron has been taken to the Dharma “temple.”

    Kate’s phone conversation: Maybe she was talking to Sun, discussing the babies and the lies/island secrets they both are covering up about Jin and Sawyer.

  356. intolost says:

    I meant, maybe Sawyer (“Moses?”) will take Aaron to the Dharma temple for some reason.

  357. intolost says:

    try again: Maybe Sawyer will take Aaron (“Moses”) to the Dharma temple for some reason.

  358. shells says:

    [quote comment="218201"]OK- going on of a little tangent here regarding Smokie.
    What if Smokie is sort of a manifastation of people’s bad Karma in a way. If you put out a lot of bad Karma out there in your life, it will haunt you. But, if you atone for whatever you have done, or come to terms with it and accept it, it will go easier on you. For example, it attacked Mr. Echo, but he had come to turns with it doing so, because he knew what he had done. Last week Ben pointed out to the gun-guy (sorry name escapes me) that he had done some bad things in his past, and Smokie was not very nice to him. Smokie checked out Kate and Juliet in the jungle, but might have seen that they have started to right their wrongs and left them alone.
    Not quite sure if this works, but it is an idea.[/quote]
    then why didn’t Smokey kill the mercs? True, Ben may be bad and doesn’t deserve to use Smokey for his stuff, but the mercs were also going after innocent Aaron, Claire, and Hurley (I am leaving Sawyer out of this). If Smokey works on Karma, it would seem that he would get the mercs who had just killed an innocent (Ben’s daughter) and who were going to kill more innocents.

  359. shells says:

    [quote comment="218058"]Maybe Jack gets sick because he fixed Ben. People seem to get sick when they fall out of communion with the island.
    The “promise” between Kate and Sawyer might occur when Sawyer gives Aaron to Kate.[/quote]
    Jack gets sick because he is so hell-bent on leaving the island. He isn’t supposed to leave.

  360. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="218268"][quote comment="218058"]Maybe Jack gets sick because he fixed Ben. People seem to get sick when they fall out of communion with the island.
    The “promise” between Kate and Sawyer might occur when Sawyer gives Aaron to Kate.[/quote]
    Jack gets sick because he is so hell-bent on leaving the island. He isn’t supposed to leave.[/quote]
    Agree, sort of. I think he is ABLE to get sick because he rejects the island. I don’t think it’s a punishment or the reason he gets sick.

  361. shells says:

    [quote comment="218319"][quote comment="218268"][quote comment="218058"]Maybe Jack gets sick because he fixed Ben. People seem to get sick when they fall out of communion with the island.
    The “promise” between Kate and Sawyer might occur when Sawyer gives Aaron to Kate.[/quote]
    Jack gets sick because he is so hell-bent on leaving the island. He isn’t supposed to leave.[/quote]
    Agree, sort of. I think he is ABLE to get sick because he rejects the island. I don’t think it’s a punishment or the reason he gets sick.[/quote]
    agreed…

  362. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="218268"]
    Jack gets sick because he is so hell-bent on leaving the island. [/quote]
    I just threw that out there to see what people thought. I don’t agree. He is not the only one that wants to leave the island. Maybe if he is the one who actually “saves” them, as he tells Kate he “saved” her, then I could see it. In other words, there has to be more than wanting to leave the island. Why did Ben get cancer and Jack appendicitus? Does appendicitus occur over night, or does it take time to develop? Where is our resident DocH?

  363. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="218319"] I think he is ABLE to get sick because he rejects the island. I don’t think it’s a punishment or the reason he gets sick.[/quote]
    Then why does Ben get sick? He fell out of communion with the island.

  364. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="218353"][quote comment="218319"] I think he is ABLE to get sick because he rejects the island. I don’t think it’s a punishment or the reason he gets sick.[/quote]
    Then why does Ben get sick?

    He fell out of communion with the island.[/quote]
    +++++++++++
    I don’t know for sure, but I don’t think the island is punishing folks. It’s just allowing what would have happened, just like how Locke became paralyzed for a short time, then “healed” again. A sort of “faith healing”? I suspect the island isn’t satified with Ben, hence Alpert’s talk with Locke is, is what lead to the island allowing Ben’s tumor. But I still don’t think the island is giving out diseases to folks it’s not satified with.

  365. jaime says:

    Kimmel: The island heals some people and doesn’t heal others. For instance, Ben needed an operation from Jack to beat cancer, but it seems like Sawyer gets injured every sixth episode and by the next, he’s fine. Is that just a TV thing?
    Carlton Cuse: Wow. [Laughs] Where are the softball questions, Jimmy? What about the warm-up?
    Damon Lindelof: The short answer is, it’s not arbitrary. Yes, there is a certain degree of compressing story. The idea that everything you’ve seen has really happened in 110 days of real time feels fantastical, but that’s the convention of the show. However, who gets sick and how fast they heal is something we talk about. In the second episode back [airing May 1], that becomes a major issue in the story. One character gets sick and another who has had experience being healed voices exactly that question: Is there any rhyme or reason to it?
    Cuse: The healing is related to the degree to which you are in communion with the island at any given moment. Perhaps Ben getting sick and needing surgery had to do with the fact that he had fallen out of favor, that his connection with the island was maybe not what it had been in the past

    This should clarify why some get sick and some do not

  366. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="218365"]Kimmel: The island heals some people and doesn’t heal others. For instance, Ben needed an operation from Jack to beat cancer, but it seems like Sawyer gets injured every sixth episode and by the next, he’s fine. Is that just a TV thing?
    Carlton Cuse: Wow. [Laughs] Where are the softball questions, Jimmy? What about the warm-up?
    Damon Lindelof: The short answer is, it’s not arbitrary. Yes, there is a certain degree of compressing story. The idea that everything you’ve seen has really happened in 110 days of real time feels fantastical, but that’s the convention of the show. However, who gets sick and how fast they heal is something we talk about. In the second episode back [airing May 1], that becomes a major issue in the story. One character gets sick and another who has had experience being healed voices exactly that question: Is there any rhyme or reason to it?
    Cuse: The healing is related to the degree to which you are in communion with the island at any given moment. Perhaps Ben getting sick and needing surgery had to do with the fact that he had fallen out of favor, that his connection with the island was maybe not what it had been in the past

    This should clarify why some get sick and some do not[/quote]

    Thanks for the research jaimie.

  367. Rita says:

    [quote comment="217934"]Sawyer is developing a real attachment and protective attitude toward Claire and Aaron. He will stay on the Island to find Claire.[/quote]
    *************************
    My first thought when I read your post was “Yes, that’s it!”. I think that will be exactly what will happen, Sawyer hands off Aaron to Kate and says something like “you go, take Aaron, I am going to find Claire!”. Then when Jack says “Sawyer chose to stay”, that will be why he did.

  368. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="218367"]My first thought when I read your post was “Yes, that’s it!”. I think that will be exactly what will happen, Sawyer hands off Aaron to Kate and says something like “you go, take Aaron, I am going to find Claire!”. Then when Jack says “Sawyer chose to stay”, that will be why he did.[/quote]

    Oh, I LIKE it.

    Sawyer did say he has no desire to go back, but I have a feeling that he changes his mind during the next few episodes and that your idea of his staying behind to find Claire DOES become a sacrifice of sorts.

    : ) P

  369. Hammer says:

    From DocH comment 66 from Lost News Update-April 18th thread:

    1) “Frozen Donkey Wheel” ? Never heard of that one. I had heard of “Rattlesnake in a Mailbox” from last season. It implies -totally not expecting something-, which last year was the Flash Forward season finale. I think frozen donkey wheel (FDW) is a metaphor for things coming to a complete halt (time & space). In olden days, villages used to use beasts of burden (donkeys) to turn a grinding stone to mill their grain, so they could make bread. The animals were tethered, and walked in a circle to turn a grindstone, etc…. In this case, I think it implies that time, space and the “normal order” of life on LOST island breaks down. A FDW, if you will. Frozen can mean it may be unfrozen later… or… frozen may mean that it is irrevocably broken – like a ceased engine in a vehicle (Swan Hatch?).

    Since we haven’t seen exactly what the key was for and the Hatch folks believed that it was only for a last resort. Maybe turning the key froze the donkey wheel (island time) and the island has been on hold ever since? I said way back when Des turned the key that there was more to it than just imploding the Hatch.

  370. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="218366"][quote comment="218365"]Kimmel: The island heals some people and doesn’t heal others. For instance, Ben needed an operation from Jack to beat cancer, but it seems like Sawyer gets injured every sixth episode and by the next, he’s fine. Is that just a TV thing?
    Carlton Cuse: Wow. [Laughs] Where are the softball questions, Jimmy? What about the warm-up?
    Damon Lindelof: The short answer is, it’s not arbitrary. Yes, there is a certain degree of compressing story. The idea that everything you’ve seen has really happened in 110 days of real time feels fantastical, but that’s the convention of the show. However, who gets sick and how fast they heal is something we talk about. In the second episode back [airing May 1], that becomes a major issue in the story. One character gets sick and another who has had experience being healed voices exactly that question: Is there any rhyme or reason to it?
    Cuse: The healing is related to the degree to which you are in communion with the island at any given moment. Perhaps Ben getting sick and needing surgery had to do with the fact that he had fallen out of favor, that his connection with the island was maybe not what it had been in the past

    This should clarify why some get sick and some do not[/quote]

    Thanks for the research jaimie.[/quote]
    —————
    It is good research but I dont think it was from the latest Kimmel. On the latest Kimmel,
    Kimmel: “Why is he the only one that has gotten sick on the island? No one else has really gotten sick.”
    Damon: “Well Ben, the bad guy, played by Michael Emerson, he had a spinal tumor, so…”
    Kimmel: “he did”
    Damon: “he got sick and then Jack took it out”
    Kimmel: “It got healed”
    Damon: “yeah exactly”
    Kimmel: “yeah OK. So maybe there’s 2 people.”
    Carlton: “If you fall out of communion with the island, the island doesn’t like that so, maybe if Jack, basically listened to the island and you know he, he ran off into the future and turned into bearded pill-popping man, you know he might have been better off.”
    You nailed it SHELLS.

  371. Lins says:

    [quote comment="218367"][quote comment="217934"]Sawyer is developing a real attachment and protective attitude toward Claire and Aaron. He will stay on the Island to find Claire.[/quote]
    *************************
    My first thought when I read your post was “Yes, that’s it!”. I think that will be exactly what will happen, Sawyer hands off Aaron to Kate and says something like “you go, take Aaron, I am going to find Claire!”. Then when Jack says “Sawyer chose to stay”, that will be why he did.[/quote]

    *******************
    It makes sense to me, but if Desmond’s vision of seeing Claire get on a helicopter with Aaron holds up…it gets a little more complicated :)

  372. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="218375"]
    —————
    It is good research but I dont think it was from the latest Kimmel. On the latest Kimmel,
    Kimmel: “Why is he the only one that has gotten sick on the island? No one else has really gotten sick.”
    Damon: “Well Ben, the bad guy, played by Michael Emerson, he had a spinal tumor, so…”
    Kimmel: “he did”
    Damon: “he got sick and then Jack took it out”
    Kimmel: “It got healed”
    Damon: “yeah exactly”
    Kimmel: “yeah OK. So maybe there’s 2 people.”
    Carlton: “If you fall out of communion with the island, the island doesn’t like that so, maybe if Jack, basically listened to the island and you know he, he ran off into the future and turned into bearded pill-popping man, you know he might have been better off.”
    You nailed it SHELLS.[/quote]
    Thank you as well lost4ever.

  373. DocH says:

    Agree that Jack as a ‘man of science’ may have fallen out of favor with the island, particularly if the island demands ‘people of faith’. Now how do we apply that Ben or the OA6? Ben seems to get off-island occasionally. Perhaps his cancer starts away from the island, and since he has Smokey frequent flyer miles, he didn’t have to go through security screening by Jacob at the terminal, between South Florida and the Looking Glass. Maybe Hurley’s punishment for ‘lack of faith’ was having his pre-existing condition (mental health) made worse. Maybe Sayids’ pre-existing condition (cunning ruthlessness) was made worse – having to serve Master Ben in FF world. Kate = lie, manipulate, won’t commit = punishment of motherhood and engaged to Jack. Sun = adultress sentenced to a life alone without the man that loved her, regardless of her indiscretions/adultery. Jack = life sentence to become his father, in word, deed and act.

    [my sentence = hockey division finals, Stars v. Wings = same time as LOST on thurs nite…
    [:( ---]

  374. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="218374"]

    I had heard of “Rattlesnake in a Mailbox” from last season. [/quote]
    What scene did that apply to last year…I can’t remember.

  375. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="218379"][quote comment="218374"]

    I had heard of “Rattlesnake in a Mailbox” from last season. [/quote]
    What scene did that apply to last year…I can’t remember.[/quote]
    This was DocH’s comment, but what he meant was the first FF we got in the season finale. It was a surprise.

  376. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="218378"]Agree that Jack as a ‘man of science’ may have fallen out of favor with the island, particularly if the island demands ‘people of faith’. Now how do we apply that Ben or the OA6? Ben seems to get off-island occasionally. Perhaps his cancer starts away from the island, and since he has Smokey frequent flyer miles, he didn’t have to go through security screening by Jacob at the terminal, between South Florida and the Looking Glass. Maybe Hurley’s punishment for ‘lack of faith’ was having his pre-existing condition (mental health) made worse. Maybe Sayids’ pre-existing condition (cunning ruthlessness) was made worse – having to serve Master Ben in FF world. Kate = lie, manipulate, won’t commit = punishment of motherhood and engaged to Jack. Sun = adultress sentenced to a life alone without the man that loved her, regardless of her indiscretions/adultery. Jack = life sentence to become his father, in word, deed and act.

    [my sentence = hockey division finals, Stars v. Wings = same time as LOST on thurs nite…
    [:( ---][/quote]

    I like this.

    BTW, just watch Lost, Wings in 5.

  377. DocH says:

    [quote comment="218376"]
    It makes sense to me, but if Desmond’s vision of seeing Claire get on a helicopter with Aaron holds up…it gets a little more complicated :)
    [/quote]
    But Desmond had visions that did not hold up.
    He saw Charlie drowning (trying to save Claire?)….
    He saw Charlie taking an arrow (from a crossbow) in the throat, while going to recover Naomi.
    He thought he knew the winner of a sports match he was watching in the pub…

    So Claire leaving with Aaron could be a false ‘flash’ too.

  378. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="218382"][quote comment="218376"]
    It makes sense to me, but if Desmond’s vision of seeing Claire get on a helicopter with Aaron holds up…it gets a little more complicated :)
    [/quote]
    But Desmond had visions that did not hold up.
    He saw Charlie drowning (trying to save Claire?)….
    He saw Charlie taking an arrow (from a crossbow) in the throat, while going to recover Naomi.
    He thought he knew the winner of a sports match he was watching in the pub…

    So Claire leaving with Aaron could be a false ‘flash’ too.[/quote]
    Agreed, his glimpses are themes.

  379. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="218380"][quote comment="218379"][quote comment="218374"]

    I had heard of “Rattlesnake in a Mailbox” from last season. [/quote]
    What scene did that apply to last year…I can’t remember.[/quote]
    This was DocH’s comment, but what he meant was the first FF we got in the season finale. It was a surprise.[/quote]
    ————
    In the podcast, i believe they stated that the “frozen donkey wheel” was a specific scene near the end of the show. I could be wrong though.

  380. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="218382"]
    But Desmond had visions that did not hold up.
    He saw Charlie drowning (trying to save Claire?)….
    He saw Charlie taking an arrow (from a crossbow) in the throat, while going to recover Naomi.
    Weren’t these because Desmond stepped in?

    He thought he knew the winner of a sports match he was watching in the pub…
    Didn’t he just get the wrong day here?
    [/quote]

  381. Lins says:

    [quote comment="218383"][quote comment="218382"][quote comment="218376"]
    It makes sense to me, but if Desmond’s vision of seeing Claire get on a helicopter with Aaron holds up…it gets a little more complicated :)
    [/quote]
    But Desmond had visions that did not hold up.
    He saw Charlie drowning (trying to save Claire?)….
    He saw Charlie taking an arrow (from a crossbow) in the throat, while going to recover Naomi.
    He thought he knew the winner of a sports match he was watching in the pub…

    So Claire leaving with Aaron could be a false ‘flash’ too.[/quote]
    Agreed, his glimpses are themes.[/quote]

    ******************
    I agree that we don’t know if it will actually come true based on past experiences…but it will make the death of Charlie seem a little less dramatic IMO…they really seemed to build that up at the end of the last season that that was the reason Charlie had to die so that Claire could get on the helicopter with Aaron, it will be a little sad to me if that doesn’t come true.

  382. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="218384"][quote comment="218380"][quote comment="218379"][quote comment="218374"]

    I had heard of “Rattlesnake in a Mailbox” from last season. [/quote]
    What scene did that apply to last year…I can’t remember.[/quote]
    This was DocH’s comment, but what he meant was the first FF we got in the season finale. It was a surprise.[/quote]
    ————
    In the podcast, i believe they stated that the “frozen donkey wheel” was a specific scene near the end of the show. I could be wrong though.[/quote]

    ++++++++++
    And my theory is that specific scene will inform us that turning the key froze island time…

  383. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="218387"]
    And my theory is that specific scene will inform us that turning the key froze island time…[/quote]
    Rattlesnake in the Mailbox = surprise FF. Got it.
    Frozen Donkey Wheel = frozen island time. Maybe. I like the idea. It just seems too easy. But so did Michael being the man on the boat.

  384. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="218388"][quote comment="218387"]
    And my theory is that specific scene will inform us that turning the key froze island time…[/quote]
    Rattlesnake in the Mailbox = surprise FF. Got it.
    Frozen Donkey Wheel = frozen island time. Maybe. I like the idea. It just seems too easy. But so did Michael being the man on the boat.[/quote]
    Remember, it has to be easy for the casual viewer. The details of what that means is for us nut jobs.

  385. DocH says:

    [quote comment="218381"]
    BTW, just watch Lost, Wings in 5.
    [/quote]
    Frozen (as in ice – ice hockey)
    Wheel (as in puck – hockey puck)
    Donkey (as in jackass!)

    [;^)

  386. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="218390"][quote comment="218381"]
    BTW, just watch Lost, Wings in 5.
    [/quote]
    Frozen (as in ice – ice hockey)
    Wheel (as in puck – hockey puck)
    Donkey (as in jackass!)

    [;^)[/quote]

    Oooo that’s cold…get it?….cold? Wings in 4. (Okay, I really think it goes 7)

  387. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="218391"]
    Oooo that’s cold…get it?….cold? Wings in 4. (Okay, I really think it goes 7)[/quote]
    Hockey? is that a sport? I thought they were still on strike.

  388. bolddeceiver says:

    Loving the posts. Here are my contributions.

    Claire: I agree with the earlier post that Claire may have died in the house explosion. I don’t believe Miles was checking her out. I think he realized she was dead. This was why he did not follow her.

    Jack: Anyone else notice that everytime CS showed up so did the woman doctor? I think she works for the island. It seemed that he was just being shown glimpses of CS in order to rattle him. Then the woman is right there ready to hand out the scrip that the island knows will start Jack on a downward spiral. Also when she gave him the scrip she was dressed in all black right after the smoke alarm went off. Symbolism?

  389. Lins says:

    [quote comment="218397"]
    Jack: Anyone else notice that everytime CS showed up so did the woman doctor? I think she works for the island. It seemed that he was just being shown glimpses of CS in order to rattle him. Then the woman is right there ready to hand out the scrip that the island knows will start Jack on a downward spiral. Also when she gave him the scrip she was dressed in all black right after the smoke alarm went off. Symbolism?[/quote]

    Wow, I had not thought about that…that’s really interesting. Maybe Jack will end up crazy in Santa Rosa with Hurley :)

  390. LOLA says:

    [quote comment="217567"][quote comment="217526"]D and C on Kimmel[/quote]

    Wow. Did anyone else watch that tonite? Interesting…….[/quote]
    NO-PLEASE RECAP

  391. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="218400"][quote comment="217567"][quote comment="217526"]D and C on Kimmel[/quote]

    Wow. Did anyone else watch that tonite? Interesting…….[/quote]
    NO-PLEASE RECAP[/quote]

    ————
    See comment 326.

    : ) P

  392. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="218397"]Claire: I agree with the earlier post that Claire may have died in the house explosion. I don’t believe Miles was checking her out. I think he realized she was dead. This was why he did not follow her.

    [/quote]

    So are you saying she died in the explosion and Sawyer carrying her in the house and the two of them plus Miles trekking through the jungle was an apparition? Because she was carrying the baby.

    Which leads me to… CAN Christian Shepherd REALLY be dead? Can an apparition HOLD A BABY?

    Trying to get my head around that.

    : ) P

  393. DocH says:

    [quote comment="218404"]
    Which leads me to… CAN Christian Shepherd REALLY be dead? Can an apparition HOLD A BABY?
    [/quote]
    Phew! I am glad you mentioned that. I was too timid to bring it up.
    But then, to spin it in the opposite direction, maybe dead Christian can hold Aaron (symbolically). Not a dead Aaron, but the essence of Aaron. Christian hauled off the Jacob replacing ‘spirit of Aaron’, and dead Claire followed.
    What Sawyer recovered in the tree trunks was the living, hollowed-out (oh crap! Kate’s my mom?) version of Aaron.

  394. Rita says:

    [quote comment="218399"][quote comment="218397"]
    [/quote]

    Maybe Jack will end up crazy in Santa Rosa with Hurley :)[/quote]

    ****************************
    OK, now I have been thinking about Hurley being “crazy”. I see him as one of the sanest of the whole cast. He thinks he is crazy because he sees things that don’t make sense, and experiences things that don’t make sense, so he feels he belongs in Santa Rosa (as far as we know, he was always self committed, even this last (future) time, when he did ask to go). Now, what if he never has been crazy, but has always been “special” like Walt, even before the island? He doesn’t know what is happening to him, so he assumes he must be cracking, and goes to get help (of course, if this is true, then the people he is going to for help can never really help him). He is just trying to make sense out of something that just doesn’t make sense. His response therefore could actually be quite sane.

  395. boldeceiver says:

    Sorry I don’t know how to do that cool quote thing

    “So are you saying she died in the explosion and Sawyer carrying her in the house and the two of them plus Miles trekking through the jungle was an apparition? Because she was carrying the baby.
    Which leads me to… CAN Christian Shepherd REALLY be dead? Can an apparition HOLD A BABY?
    Trying to get my head around that.
    : ) P”

    Response: I think she was an apparition. Claire is a mother. When a mother is dying I believe her first thoughts would be about who will care for their children once they are gone. Claire did not immediately realize she had died. Her only thoughts were caring for her son. So she did not “move on” for lack of a better term. It took a talk from Dad to convince her that she had died and that Aaron would be ok. JMO I realize this could be total crap but its what I got.

  396. Tasker says:

    Perhaps in the finale they will resolve the whole issue via a 2-man scramble golf tournament.

    Final Teams (after 3rd round cuts):
    Ben and Jacob
    Locke and Walt
    Smokey and the Polar Bear
    Christian and Widmore
    Sawyer and Hurley
    Jack and Sayid

  397. Trixanna says:

    [quote comment="218409"][quote comment="218399"][quote comment="218397"]
    [/quote]

    Maybe Jack will end up crazy in Santa Rosa with Hurley :)[/quote]

    ****************************
    OK, now I have been thinking about Hurley being “crazy”. I see him as one of the sanest of the whole cast. He thinks he is crazy because he sees things that don’t make sense, and experiences things that don’t make sense, so he feels he belongs in Santa Rosa (as far as we know, he was always self committed, even this last (future) time, when he did ask to go). Now, what if he never has been crazy, but has always been “special” like Walt, even before the island? He doesn’t know what is happening to him, so he assumes he must be cracking, and goes to get help (of course, if this is true, then the people he is going to for help can never really help him). He is just trying to make sense out of something that just doesn’t make sense. His response therefore could actually be quite sane.[/quote]
    I love Hurley and it broke my heart to see him last week! You have a point, he may well be the most sane of all. He knows that what he is seeing is NOT normal… how does one explain that to a shrink? “I see dead people” has already been taken. He seemed perfectly normal and happy when he went to see Sun, do you have a time frame on that? Anybody? Was that before or after being self-committed? I am hoping he got better and then went to visit Sun. I want Hurley to be okay!!!

  398. Trixanna says:

    I do not believe Claire is dead. So far D and C haven’t given dead people a lot of air time. I think it was ODD beyond belief that she didn’t die in the explosion but I sure don’t think she could carry a baby. Sure, maybe Miles sees dead people, but would Sawyer see her too if she was dead? I just can’t believe she is dead and walking around but there have certainly been stranger things that have happened.

  399. nicunurse says:

    [quote comment="218352"][quote comment="218268"]
    Jack gets sick because he is so hell-bent on leaving the island. [/quote]
    I just threw that out there to see what people thought. I don’t agree. He is not the only one that wants to leave the island. Maybe if he is the one who actually “saves” them, as he tells Kate he “saved” her, then I could see it. In other words, there has to be more than wanting to leave the island. Why did Ben get cancer and Jack appendicitus?

    Does appendicitus occur over night, or does it take time to develop? Where is our resident DocH?[/quote]/

    Appendicitis can happen suddenly or it can happen over time. The danger of appendicitis is ruture or perforation, thus the desire to leave Jack where he was (and not take him to the medical station). If Juliette had any brains, she would have had them carry Jack on a stretcher to the med station because danger of overwhelming abdominal infection is a post-op risk, even with a non-ruptered appendix.
    Additionally, appendicitis can mimic many, many other diseases…

  400. Lins says:

    [quote comment="218406"][quote comment="218404"]
    Which leads me to… CAN Christian Shepherd REALLY be dead? Can an apparition HOLD A BABY?
    [/quote]
    Phew! I am glad you mentioned that. I was too timid to bring it up.
    But then, to spin it in the opposite direction, maybe dead Christian can hold Aaron (symbolically). Not a dead Aaron, but the essence of Aaron. Christian hauled off the Jacob replacing ‘spirit of Aaron’, and dead Claire followed.
    What Sawyer recovered in the tree trunks was the living, hollowed-out (oh crap! Kate’s my mom?) version of Aaron.[/quote]

    *******************
    Didn’t D&C say something to effect of Christian is dead but that they “may be using the word ‘dead’ in a sense we (the audience) don’t fully understand yet.”? Hopefully we’ll get some more answers on that this week!

  401. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="218409"][quote comment="218399"][quote comment="218397"]
    [/quote]

    Maybe Jack will end up crazy in Santa Rosa with Hurley :)[/quote]

    ****************************
    OK, now I have been thinking about Hurley being “crazy”. I see him as one of the sanest of the whole cast. He thinks he is crazy because he sees things that don’t make sense, and experiences things that don’t make sense, so he feels he belongs in Santa Rosa (as far as we know, he was always self committed, even this last (future) time, when he did ask to go). Now, what if he never has been crazy, but has always been “special” like Walt, even before the island? He doesn’t know what is happening to him, so he assumes he must be cracking, and goes to get help (of course, if this is true, then the people he is going to for help can never really help him). He is just trying to make sense out of something that just doesn’t make sense. His response therefore could actually be quite sane.[/quote]

    +++++++++++++++
    I agree. I brought this up in the “Confirmed Dead” Recap thread. Comment 45.

    “I think the ghost whisperer is an awesome twist. It makes it possible that Hurley isn’t coo coo or has an overactive imagination. Also there is an age old theory that people who see dead people are crazy, but that people who can talk to the dead think they are crazy…then the person believes it themselves. …”

  402. Hammer says:

    Typo in my own quote. Should be “….Also there is an age old theory that people who see dead people are NOT crazy, but that people who can talk to the dead think they are crazy…”

  403. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="218374"]
    Since we haven’t seen exactly what the key was for and the Hatch folks believed that it was only for a last resort. Maybe turning the key froze the donkey wheel (island time) and the island has been on hold ever since? I said way back when Des turned the key that there was more to it than just imploding the Hatch.[/quote]
    Another hint that the fail safe key would stop island time(FDW)?

    “Fail-Safe is a 1964 film directed by Sidney Lumet about a fictional Cold War nuclear crisis, and the US President’s attempt to end it. The catch line on the original movie poster reads, “‘Fail Safe’ will have you standing on the brink of eternity!””

    Maybe not. No takers on this theory eh?

  404. shells says:

    [quote comment="218352"][quote comment="218268"]
    Jack gets sick because he is so hell-bent on leaving the island. [/quote]
    I just threw that out there to see what people thought. I don’t agree. He is not the only one that wants to leave the island. Maybe if he is the one who actually “saves” them, as he tells Kate he “saved” her, then I could see it. In other words, there has to be more than wanting to leave the island. Why did Ben get cancer and Jack appendicitus?

    Does appendicitus occur over night, or does it take time to develop? Where is our resident DocH?[/quote]
    The difference between Jack and the other people who want to get off the island, is his intensity to get off the island and how he didn’t listen to “not penny’s boat”. The other Losties are following his lead. Perhaps according to the island, Jack is particularly out of sync because of this.

    Maybe it doesn’t matter to the island if the other Losties get off the island.

  405. wally p says:

    [quote comment="218420"]I do not believe Claire is dead. So far D and C haven’t given dead people a lot of air time. I think it was ODD beyond belief that she didn’t die in the explosion but I sure don’t think she could carry a baby. Sure, maybe Miles sees dead people, but would Sawyer see her too if she was dead? I just can’t believe she is dead and walking around but there have certainly been stranger things that have happened.[/quote]
    Miles doesn’t express alot of what he thinks… but he does try a couple of times to get Claire to give him the baby. Maybe he doesn’t think dead people should be able to carry babies either. Rules have been changed here.

  406. wally p says:

    I just got a thought that I’ll throw out… I dont rely to heavily on my own theories, but what the hell?

    We all assume that Juliet was brought to the island under Bens orders… but what if Juliet was brought to the island as a way to trip up Bens leadership? By that guy, whom I cant rmemeber the name of, but who gave Locke all that useful information about Sawyer last season…?

  407. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="218410"]Sorry I don’t know how to do that cool quote thing
    [/quote]
    Just hit the “quote and reply” button. If you wan t to narrow down the passage, you can delete words, but you have to keep the Beginning “[qoute]” and ending “[quote]“.

    On your theory that Claire is dead. I have to completely disagree. I couldn’t believe she survived the bombing but, in last week’s thread, someone found it somewhere that she was outside the house doing laundry. Sawyer carried her to the house and they all pretty much acknowledge her existence.

  408. DocH says:

    [quote]
    We all assume that Juliet was brought to the island under Bens orders… but what if Juliet was brought to the island as a way to trip up Bens leadership? By that guy, whom I cant rmemeber the name of, but who gave Locke all that useful information about Sawyer last season…?
    [/quote]
    I think that she was ‘recruited’ with the full consent of Ben. We saw Richard Alpert and Ethan Rom trying to convince her to sign-up at her bio-lab in Miami. After her ex was mysteriously squashed by the bus (Ben?), and with the promise of only a six month tour of duty, she’d be allowed to return to her sister… perhaps with a cure.

    Ben greeted her warmly when she got to the island, took a fancy to her and wanted her for himself. She rebuffed him and he stretched her stay to over three years.

    While I think that her entire ‘recruitment’ was fertility-oriented from her point of view, and from the view of Ben/Alpert/Rom, I do agree that she may have fallen in with the Richard Alperts train-of-thought… that Ben is not the leader that group of islanders needs right now. Bens’ tumor may have made that point to them. That the island has rejected Ben and that they need new leadership (Locke or Aaron?).

    That said, I still think her main motivation is to return home to her sister. That is even easier to say now that she has collapsed her side of the Jack-Kate love triangle. Or has she? She may have just been playing Kate with the “he loves you Kate” speech she gave in post-op… with Jack listening.

    (( new whisper – Juliet with Turets’ syndrome, under her breath, “Jack is mine you skinny beyotch!” ))

  409. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="218423"][quote comment="218406"][quote comment="218404"]
    Which leads me to… CAN Christian Shepherd REALLY be dead? Can an apparition HOLD A BABY?
    [/quote]
    Phew! I am glad you mentioned that. I was too timid to bring it up.
    But then, to spin it in the opposite direction, maybe dead Christian can hold Aaron (symbolically). Not a dead Aaron, but the essence of Aaron. Christian hauled off the Jacob replacing ‘spirit of Aaron’, and dead Claire followed.
    What Sawyer recovered in the tree trunks was the living, hollowed-out (oh crap! Kate’s my mom?) version of Aaron.[/quote]

    *******************
    Didn’t D&C say something to effect of Christian is dead but that they “may be using the word ‘dead’ in a sense we (the audience) don’t fully understand yet.”? Hopefully we’ll get some more answers on that this week![/quote]
    —————
    In a podcast, I think they stated that they put characters into 3 groups. Alive, Dead, and undead. There were 3 characters in the undead group. Christian, Yemi and Kate’s horse. They kind of laughed at Kate’s horse.

  410. DocH says:

    [quote comment="218665"]
    There were 3 characters in the undead group. Christian, Yemi and Kate’s horse. They kind of laughed at Kate’s horse.
    [/quote]
    And looking at Claire the past few episodes, she may be a new addition. Christian had an almost ethereal look the other night when he came for her. Step into the light Claire. They say you see dead (undead?) relatives when you look in to the light.

  411. Lisa says:

    [quote comment="217222"]Most of the episode titles seem to have more than one meaning. The obvious meaning for this ep would be Kate at home for Jack. Any thoughts on a different meaning? Maybe Jin making sure Sun gets home, making her his “something nice back home?” Just guessing….[/quote]

    Hey all,
    Long time reader first time poster. I have not read all the way through, but wanted to post this thought now before I get into some other tain of thought.
    I recall Bernard saying to Jake about being knocked out for the surgery. He said something to the effect of you can go to sleep and think of something nice back home.

  412. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="218668"][quote comment="218665"]
    There were 3 characters in the undead group. Christian, Yemi and Kate’s horse. They kind of laughed at Kate’s horse.
    [/quote]
    And looking at Claire the past few episodes, she may be a new addition. Christian had an almost ethereal look the other night when he came for her. Step into the light Claire. They say you see dead (undead?) relatives when you look in to the light.[/quote]
    ————
    This is not the first time CS has appeared on the island. He has visited Jack before. Jack is not dead.

  413. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="218419"] He seemed perfectly normal and happy when he went to see Sun, do you have a time frame on that? Anybody? Was that before or after being self-committed? I am hoping he got better and then went to visit Sun. I want Hurley to be okay!!![/quote]
    I think he visits Sun, then he sees Charlie for the first time in the store, then this last episode, is the farthest point we have seen into Hurley’s future. So for Hurley’s future timeline, I think,
    1. Ji Yeon
    2. The beginning of the end
    3. Something Nice back home
    Did he appear in any other FF?

  414. DocH says:

    [quote]
    And looking at Claire the past few episodes, she may be a new addition. Christian had an almost ethereal look the other night when he came for her. Step into the light Claire. They say you see dead (undead?) relatives when you look in to the light.
    [/quote]
    [quote]
    This is not the first time CS has appeared on the island. He has visited Jack before. Jack is not dead.
    [/quote]
    I never said that CS only appears to dead/undead people. That doesn’t mean the CS ‘sightings’ are mutually exclusive. But Jack sees CS in his business suit, not holding anything, and replying to Jacks’ questions. Claire sees CS not in a suit, holding something (Aaron) and talking to, but not replying to her (dad?). Very different CS apparitions. Claire was being summoned to serve the island (via CS)… Jack was having a Q&A session with the island (via CS). (Hurley via Charlie, Locke via Walt, Eco via Yemi, etc…).

  415. jaime says:

    I read this and thought it was pretty cool, what do you think?

    It was nice to see Christian walking around and looking so… well… undead. And this got me to thinking. Why did the writers bring him back into the story at this point?

    What are we building up to for our season closer? Probably a number of different plot arcs will be narrowed and a few new ones will leave us hanging until next season.

    We’ve heard the producers tell use that some characters could be classified as undead. They gave us a few bones to pick on, mentioning Yemi, Kate’s horse and Christian Shepard.

    I think our armchair adventurer Locke is undead. This happened when Ben shot him. he may not even realize that he is undead, but take my word for it. He’s dead.

    Looking back over the past episodes, I noticed that characters who died and were buried were never seen again (except in visions). But Charlie, now we’ve seen him physically interact with Hurley. Christian’s body was on his way to a funeral and eventual burial, and his body disappeared. Yet Christian has been seen and has corporal abilities the same as a living person. Yemi’s body was on the Island, never buried, and was able to talk to his brother. And we know Mikhail refused to take a dirt nap.

    Now, a question has come up in the last few weeks as to the reason why Danielle and Karl were found in a shallow grave. It’s because the frieghter folk knows that they must bury a body in order to make sure it doesn’t become undead.

    Which leads me to this conclusion. Claire is undead. She died when the rocket hit the bungalow she was residing in. And how many of our other favorite characters are walking compost heaps?

  416. mike says:

    [quote comment="217022"][quote comment="217014"][quote comment="217012"]Nice star wars plug with the millennium falcon.

    Looks like the sox article was written by gregg wilson. No reference on google. Probably the LA Times, right? I dunno — they probably just made it up.[/quote]
    There is/was a writer for the New York Daily News named Greg Wilson. But he does/did political news including an article about the new Yankeee stadium. Don’t know if it’s significant.[/quote]

    _____________________
    I’m trying to get us a date reference from that article. When did the Yankees bludgeon the Sox in a series? Has to be ’05, ’06, or ’07. What matchup during those years was a Yankee bludgeoning? I’ve been surfing trying to find something… Any baseball geeks out there?[/quote]

    i know the yankees won 5 games in a row against them in fenway one year

  417. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="218678"][quote]
    And looking at Claire the past few episodes, she may be a new addition. Christian had an almost ethereal look the other night when he came for her. Step into the light Claire. They say you see dead (undead?) relatives when you look in to the light.
    [/quote]
    [quote]
    This is not the first time CS has appeared on the island. He has visited Jack before. Jack is not dead.
    [/quote]
    I never said that CS only appears to dead/undead people. That doesn’t mean the CS ‘sightings’ are mutually exclusive. But Jack sees CS in his business suit, not holding anything, and replying to Jacks’ questions. Claire sees CS not in a suit, holding something (Aaron) and talking to, but not replying to her (dad?). Very different CS apparitions. Claire was being summoned to serve the island (via CS)… Jack was having a Q&A session with the island (via CS). (Hurley via Charlie, Locke via Walt, Eco via Yemi, etc…).[/quote]
    ———–
    Actually the first time Christian appeared to Jack, CS didn’t say a word the entire epsiode. The transripts from the show are on lostpedia.
    From lostpeida:
    BOONE: Look at me, Jack. Where are you going? Hey, where are going? Hey!

    [Jack runs off toward the figure. The man has stopped, and Jack stops, too, about 12 feet away. He walks slowly toward the man, reaches out his hand. The man turns. It's Jack's father. Jack backs away and falls.]

    JACK: Dad?

    [The figure walks away. Close up of Jack.]
    That seems eerily familiar to Claire’s first scene with CS. “Dad?”

  418. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="218680"][quote comment="217022"][quote comment="217014"][quote comment="217012"]Nice star wars plug with the millennium falcon.

    Looks like the sox article was written by gregg wilson. No reference on google. Probably the LA Times, right? I dunno — they probably just made it up.[/quote]
    There is/was a writer for the New York Daily News named Greg Wilson. But he does/did political news including an article about the new Yankeee stadium. Don’t know if it’s significant.[/quote]

    _____________________
    I’m trying to get us a date reference from that article. When did the Yankees bludgeon the Sox in a series? Has to be ’05, ’06, or ’07. What matchup during those years was a Yankee bludgeoning? I’ve been surfing trying to find something… Any baseball geeks out there?[/quote]

    i know the yankees won 5 games in a row against them in fenway one year[/quote]
    ————-
    comment 237

  419. DocH says:

    [quote comment="218679"]
    I think our armchair adventurer Locke is undead. This happened when Ben shot him. he may not even realize that he is undead, but take my word for it. He’s dead.
    [/quote]
    Overall, great comment. Insightful and funny too. I like the Locke reference the most.

    Thinking aloud… Locke saw the cabin and Jacob. Ben shot Locke in (into) the mass grave. Walt (undead?) rallied Locke back to his mission. NOW, all of a sudden, Locke can’t find the cabin and needs Hurley to get he and Ben to Jacob. So semi-dead Locke needs guidance? And living Hurley and living Ben see semi-dead Locke and are on-board in the cabin/Jacob locating mission? I understand that Hurley sees the ?-deadies, Ben too, to some extent. If Claire has joined the semi-dead, is she now part of Jacobs’ flock?

    I am not for/against this theory. I just want more explanation. One thing I mentioned above is an undead Walt. That would explain tons of stuff. Spooky Walt in the upstairs window at grandmas house. Distraught Michael and his obsession with the island and its’ control over him (freeing Walt the goal?). What exactly did Ben share with Michael before he released him back into the real world? And Jack… “we have to go back!” Why? To free the undead/semi-dead?

    The producers have joked many times about the “zombie” aspect that the show sometimes suggests. Are they now getting ready to make good on their ‘running joke’ at our expense?
    (zombilicious)

  420. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="218679"]

    We’ve heard the producers tell use that some characters could be classified as undead. They gave us a few bones to pick on, mentioning Yemi, Kate’s horse and Christian Shepard.

    I think our armchair adventurer Locke is undead. This happened when Ben shot him. he may not even realize that he is undead, but take my word for it. He’s dead.

    [/quote]
    Where did you find this Jaime? The writer presents the fact about the “undead”, given to us by D&C. D&C said there were 3 characters, sometime during this season, so it was after Locke’s amazing recovery. Then states that Locke is “undead”. Kind of contradictory statements.
    As for Locke’s recovery, this was from your comment 365 ” Cuse: The healing is related to the degree to which you are in communion with the island at any given moment “, so I am pretty sure Locke recovered, and 100 percent sure he is not on of the “undead”.
    If they do decide to go the “zombie” route, I think that will make the JTS official. JMO.

  421. jaime says:

    [quote comment="218687"][quote comment="218679"]

    [/quote]
    Where did you find this Jaime?.[/quote]
    ##################################
    http://www.docarzt.com/lost-theories/ding-dong-which-is-dead.php
    I think some of the theory makes for a good read. Do i believe it? yes and no
    I thought it would be good for discussion though. The comments posted after the theory are good, they question things that could possibly make it contradictory to which the author replies.

  422. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="218690"][quote comment="218687"][quote comment="218679"]

    [/quote]
    Where did you find this Jaime?.[/quote]
    ##################################
    http://www.docarzt.com/lost-theories/ding-dong-which-is-dead.php
    I think some of the theory makes for a good read. Do i believe it? yes and no
    I thought it would be good for discussion though. The comments posted after the theory are good, they question things that could possibly make it contradictory to which the author replies.[/quote]
    —————
    TY. I am just having a hard time trying to figure out why people think Claire is dead or “undead” as this article stated. Is it because Aaron was found alone?

  423. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="218679"]We’ve heard the producers tell use that some characters could be classified as undead. They gave us a few bones to pick on, mentioning Yemi, Kate’s horse and Christian Shepard.[/quote]

    Undead is a pretty nebulous term, IMO. Plus, that podcast is from a while ago. D&C seem to be very good about hedging around the truth by joking about something (that may well be true) or by talking in immediate terms about the truth, when for example, the very next week, the “truth” has changed.

    So I don’t think we can read all that much into the dead / undead / apparition / ghost / dream definitions they gave us, because it may all may well have changed. I mean, Christian may have been undead to Jack in the early days, and very well be ALIVE now. (I don’t know how – just saying.)

    That’s my 2¢.

    : ) P

  424. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="218692"] Plus, that podcast is from a while ago. [/quote]
    March 21, 2008.

  425. Hooked says:

    Re: the undead–maybe it’s the reason Ben cannot kill Widmore because Widmore is undead.

  426. shells says:

    [quote comment="218705"]Re: the undead–maybe it’s the reason Ben cannot kill Widmore because Widmore is undead.[/quote]

    Respectfully submitted, I just don’t buy the undead stuff. Not in the zombie sense at least. Perhaps in the sense of the possibility of multiple dimensions of existence and reality, but not your typical Night of the Living Dead zombie.
    I think it may unfold that we have quite a few dimensions intersecting one another at different points in time and space, without the beings who inhabit the dimensions knowing what they are seeing, or even if they are seeing. They may get glimpses now and then, but no clear picture. like “looking through a glass, darkly.”

    But then I could most likely be incorrect…

  427. Trixanna says:

    What is this dead/undead/alive business? I think you are either dead or alive. I have no idea what “undead” means. Can someone please explain this?

    My sister pointed out that Miles was awfully anxious to carry Aaron for Claire too. I thought it was because he is strange and possibly wanted to take Aaron and run.

    I am so confused… need the LAA meeting soon!

  428. DocH says:

    [quote comment="218708"]
    I think it may unfold that we have quite a few dimensions intersecting one another at different points in time and space, without the beings who inhabit the dimensions knowing what they are seeing, or even if they are seeing.
    [/quote]
    VERY well said.

  429. roses12 says:

    [quote comment="218649]On your theory that Claire is dead. I have to completely disagree. I couldn’t believe she survived the bombing but, in last week’s thread, someone found it somewhere that she was outside the house doing laundry. Sawyer carried her to the house and they all pretty much acknowledge her existence.[/quote]

    hi havent posted in ages as cannt keep up with you lot and your great theories.

    however really intrigued as to Claire is dead theory. I get Sawyer died trying to save her. Miles can talk to dead people so like you said trying to ease live baby out of dead mums arms without antagonising dead Sawyer. grim. Ben and Locke are in sinc with island and Hurley already saw dead Charlie.

    although doch explanation about Claire stepping into the light would explain why she left baby but with much less consiparacy theory and no zombie season lol:)

    dont think we’ll see Claire again this season.

  430. roses12 says:

    ps do you think we could do a Ben Is Evil, Not Evil board. cos i just dont get he is altruistic.

    The scene did strike me as having a lot in common with Abraham’s sacrifice to God in the old testament. God asked him to sacrifice his only son but at the last minute he intervened and got Abraham to sacrifice a goat instead. Ben let Danielle’s life be determined by the island too, just didn’t work out so well for him. I’m not rehashing the religious theory just noting the similarities (like the literary references) for interest.

    hope thats ok

  431. Tim says:

    The purgatory theory was shot down years ago by Damon and I still believe him….

    Well what is he going to say? “Yes, you are right. I guess we can stop the show now”.

  432. Tim says:

    Hockey? is that a sport? I thought they were still on strike…

    They never were on strike. It was a lockout.

  433. Tim says:

    Which leads me to… CAN Christian Shepherd REALLY be dead? Can an apparition HOLD A BABY?…

    Well, if an apparition can slap Hurley so that he can feel it, why not.
    If it is a creation of the island, rather than a ghost why not? It is only fiction after all.

  434. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="218869"]The purgatory theory was shot down years ago by Damon and I still believe him….

    Well what is he going to say? “Yes, you are right. I guess we can stop the show now”.[/quote]
    +++++++++++++++++++

    No, what they would have done is ignore it like they ignore the folks that have come as close to solving it as you can without being in the loop. Instead they denied it, they would be risking their future success of their careers if it turns out they lied about the plot and kept stringing folks along. Fans would never watch anything they were involved in again.

  435. lostfanatic says:

    I don’t remember….who is the real father of claire’s baby?

  436. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="218875"]I don’t remember….who is the real father of claire’s baby?[/quote]
    His name is Thomas, check out lostpedia.com, do a search for Thomas to get more info.

  437. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="218871"]

    Well, if an apparition can slap Hurley so that he can feel it, why not.
    If it is a creation of the island, rather than a ghost why not? It is only fiction after all.[/quote]
    Good point.

  438. Rita says:

    [quote comment="218871"]Which leads me to… CAN Christian Shepherd REALLY be dead? Can an apparition HOLD A BABY?…

    Well, if an apparition can slap Hurley so that he can feel it, why not.
    If it is a creation of the island, rather than a ghost why not? It is only fiction after all.[/quote]
    ***************************
    Sort of like being picked up or beaten up by a smoke monster.

  439. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="218871"]Which leads me to… CAN Christian Shepherd REALLY be dead? Can an apparition HOLD A BABY?…

    Well, if an apparition can slap Hurley so that he can feel it, why not. If it is a creation of the island, rather than a ghost why not? It is only fiction after all.[/quote]

    Well there, see, *I* still think Charlie is alive and that it really WAS him slapping Hurley. I think he survived the explosion and swam out the porthole, was rescued and made a deal to hide his identity if he returned to civilization (which is why he told Hurley, “I am dead but I am here,” because to the world, he IS dead).

    So I still don’t buy the “apparition” can touch people thing. And I don’t buy the undead thing. Yep, I think Christian is alive.

    Of course that makes too much sense to be a realistic possibility *G*.

    : ) P

  440. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="218713"]What is this dead/undead/alive business? [/quote]
    They are all vampires. Just kidding.
    Here’s what was said. You can decide for yourself.
    Podcast 3-21-08
    Carlton: “Kate’s Horse?” {they both laugh.}
    Damon: “WE have this, this is actually a funny story, we have this board in the um, in the, in the room with all the,”
    Carlton: “The writers room”
    Damon: “in the writer’s room, with all the actors who are on the show, all the oceanic 815ers, but then all the sort of recurrs like Penny Widmore, Charles Widmore”
    Carlton: “we have their headshots, so we can keep track of who have on the show”
    Damon: “and Matthew Abaddon, and basically”
    Carlton: “Sawyer”
    Damon: “Yeah so everybody. They go into a door that says “deceased”, once they die, we move them over there. And then there’s a door that says “undead”.
    Carlton: “Yeah”.
    Damon: “And on the undead door there is only 3 pictures, one of them is..”
    Carlton: “Christian Sheperd”
    Damon: “One of them is Christian Sheperd, one of them is Yemi, and the other one is
    Carlton: both laughing “Kate’s horse”
    Damon: “Kate’s horse, just a picture of a horse.”
    Carlton: “So Kate’s horse is”
    Damon: “undead”

    Thats it. The podcast can be found at lostpedia. This comment starts just after the half way point. I dont know how to put the link on here or I would.

  441. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="218713"]
    My sister pointed out that Miles was awfully anxious to carry Aaron for Claire too. I thought it was because he is strange and possibly wanted to take Aaron and run.
    [/quote]
    Maybe Miles saw Aaron as leverage to get off the island?

  442. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="218885"][quote comment="218871"]Which leads me to… CAN Christian Shepherd REALLY be dead? Can an apparition HOLD A BABY?…

    Well, if an apparition can slap Hurley so that he can feel it, why not. If it is a creation of the island, rather than a ghost why not? It is only fiction after all.[/quote]

    Well there, see, *I* still think Charlie is alive and that it really WAS him slapping Hurley. I think he survived the explosion and swam out the porthole, was rescued and made a deal to hide his identity if he returned to civilization (which is why he told Hurley, “I am dead but I am here,” because to the world, he IS dead).

    So I still don’t buy the “apparition” can touch people thing. And I don’t buy the undead thing. Yep, I think Christian is alive.

    Of course that makes too much sense to be a realistic possibility *G*.

    : ) P[/quote]

    ++++++++++++++++++
    I hear ya. But I need an explanation “that makes too much sense” (jk) of why Charlie disappeared when Hugo “wished” him away.

  443. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="218888"][quote comment="218885"][quote comment="218871"]Which leads me to… CAN Christian Shepherd REALLY be dead? Can an apparition HOLD A BABY?…

    Well, if an apparition can slap Hurley so that he can feel it, why not. If it is a creation of the island, rather than a ghost why not? It is only fiction after all.[/quote]

    Well there, see, *I* still think Charlie is alive and that it really WAS him slapping Hurley. I think he survived the explosion and swam out the porthole, was rescued and made a deal to hide his identity if he returned to civilization (which is why he told Hurley, “I am dead but I am here,” because to the world, he IS dead).

    So I still don’t buy the “apparition” can touch people thing. And I don’t buy the undead thing. Yep, I think Christian is alive.

    Of course that makes too much sense to be a realistic possibility *G*.

    : ) P[/quote]

    ++++++++++++++++++
    I hear ya. But I need an explanation “that makes too much sense” (jk) of why Charlie disappeared when Hugo “wished” him away.[/quote]

    °°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°

    Well there WAS that gigantic TREE to hide behind! I think Charlie could that Hurley was obviously VERY upset and decided to leave him alone.

    : ) P

  444. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="218889"] And I don’t buy the undead thing. Yep, I think Christian is alive.
    [/quote]
    I dont buy it either. Just as I dont think Claire is dead. I think they were just saying, in that podcast, that they haven’t decided the fate of CS yet. His body was not in the coffin. Maybe it landed in the water…”it’s all in the water”.

  445. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="218895"][quote comment="218889"] And I don’t buy the undead thing. Yep, I think Christian is alive.
    [/quote]
    I dont buy it either. Just as I dont think Claire is dead. I think they were just saying, in that podcast, that they haven’t decided the fate of CS yet. His body was not in the coffin. Maybe it landed in the water…”it’s all in the water”.[/quote]

    I’m with you guys on this one, but Charlie is dead and IMO an apparition, which lead to you know where. :P

  446. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="218895"]I dont buy it either. Just as I dont think Claire is dead. I think they were just saying, in that podcast, that they haven’t decided the fate of CS yet. His body was not in the coffin. Maybe it landed in the water…”it’s all in the water”.[/quote]

    Well I think it is more that D&C have decided not to SHOW or TELL us the fate of CS. I believe THEY know his fate!

    : ) P

  447. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="218889"][quote comment="218888"][quote comment="218885"][quote comment="218871"]Which leads me to… CAN Christian Shepherd REALLY be dead? Can an apparition HOLD A BABY?…

    Well, if an apparition can slap Hurley so that he can feel it, why not. If it is a creation of the island, rather than a ghost why not? It is only fiction after all.[/quote]

    Well there, see, *I* still think Charlie is alive and that it really WAS him slapping Hurley. I think he survived the explosion and swam out the porthole, was rescued and made a deal to hide his identity if he returned to civilization (which is why he told Hurley, “I am dead but I am here,” because to the world, he IS dead).

    So I still don’t buy the “apparition” can touch people thing. And I don’t buy the undead thing. Yep, I think Christian is alive.

    Of course that makes too much sense to be a realistic possibility *G*.

    : ) P[/quote]

    ++++++++++++++++++
    I hear ya. But I need an explanation “that makes too much sense” (jk) of why Charlie disappeared when Hugo “wished” him away.[/quote]

    °°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°

    Well there WAS that gigantic TREE to hide behind! I think Charlie could that Hurley was obviously VERY upset and decided to leave him alone.

    : ) P[/quote]

    +++++++++++++++++
    Ummmm, you gotta do better than that P-Jizzle. Hurley “wished” away Jacob’s cabin too…did Jacob pull a Fred Flintstone, put his arms out the windows, pick the cabin and run behind a tree too? :)

  448. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="218898"][quote comment="218895"]I dont buy it either. Just as I dont think Claire is dead. I think they were just saying, in that podcast, that they haven’t decided the fate of CS yet. His body was not in the coffin. Maybe it landed in the water…”it’s all in the water”.[/quote]

    Well I think it is more that D&C have decided not to SHOW or TELL us the fate of CS. I believe THEY know his fate!

    : ) P[/quote]
    —————-
    Then he is undead. That’s what they declared.

  449. lost4ever says:

    Here’s an interesting piece I found on Lostpedia, which should put the CS talk to rest…
    “Christian’s death, though not shown on-screen, has been confirmed in a Official LOST podcast (April 20, 2007 Edition). However, in later statements the creators of Lost qualified their statement by saying that they “may be using the word ‘dead’ in a sense we (the audience) don’t fully understand yet.” Even further clarification was received in “Access: Granted”, when Carlton Cuse stated “In terms of actually physically corporally in existence… he’s dead”. “

  450. PJSander says:

    Comment 450: “Then he is undead. That’s what they declared.”

    Comment 451: “Christian’s death, though not shown on-screen, has been confirmed in a Official LOST podcast (April 20, 2007 Edition). However, in later statements the creators of Lost qualified their statement by saying that they “may be using the word ‘dead’ in a sense we (the audience) don’t fully understand yet.” Even further clarification was received in “Access: Granted”, when Carlton Cuse stated “In terms of actually physically corporally in existence… he’s dead”.

    °°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°
    Just the fact that D&C have stated that CS is both dead and undead, and have QUALIFIED the word “dead” in SEVERAL ways, leads me to believe that there is a lot more to the story.

    I am willing to set the theory aside until we know more because it seems to be aggravating people. Sorry if it seems like I have been beating a dead (or undead) horse (that is Kate’s).

    : ) P

  451. Toeknee says:

    I’m late to the party here, due to real life getting in the way, and due to an attempt to remain completely spoiler free (like skweez is doing, according to his/her comment on the thread for the preceeding episode), but I had one thought that I didn’t see mentioned here….

    I wonder if, like Claire, Sawyer will also see the manifestation/apparition (I’m not sure what the difference is) of Christian Shephard, and that will be how Claire and Jack find out they have the same father?

    Otherwise, I think this episode disproved one theory I had, which I discussed with a few of you several weeks ago – I had stated that I thought when Charlie appeared to Hurley earlier this season, it was a figment of Hurley’s imagination, like Dave was. But in this episode, when Hurley told Jack he’d be getting a visitor and shortly thereafter Christian appeared, that made me believe Hurley really did see an apparition or manifestation that was Charlie.

    Regarding the issue of whether an apparition can hold a baby (Tim’s comment #435), if we consider that Christian is a manifestation of the smoke monster (which is my belief), then it has the ability to touch things/people. Smokey literally grabbed onto the pilot, Locke and Eko while in its “smoke” form, and it bounced off the sonic fence. So I think it’s possible it could hold a baby (and pet a dog, which I think Christian did in one of the mobisodes).

  452. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="218885"]
    Well there, see, *I* still think Charlie is alive and that it really WAS him slapping Hurley. I think he survived the explosion and swam out the porthole, was rescued and made a deal to hide his identity if he returned to civilization (which is why he told Hurley, “I am dead but I am here,” because to the world, he IS dead).

    So I still don’t buy the “apparition” can touch people thing. And I don’t buy the undead thing. Yep, I think Christian is alive.

    Of course that makes too much sense to be a realistic possibility *G*.

    : ) P[/quote]
    PJ I’m disappointed! After spending the last few days reading the comments for this episode and the previous one, I found myself agreeing with your comments more than anyone else’s – I enjoyed reading almost everything you wrote. (I especially liked comment #54 on this thread).

    But to say Charlie isn’t dead…….first off, there’s no way he could fit through the port hole. But mostly, it defeats the purpose of the last half of season 3 – the course correcting/redemption of Charlie plotline. I think it would be a major cop-out by TPTB if it turns out Charlie is not dead.

  453. Lins says:

    [quote comment="218907"][quote comment="218885"]
    Well there, see, *I* still think Charlie is alive and that it really WAS him slapping Hurley. I think he survived the explosion and swam out the porthole, was rescued and made a deal to hide his identity if he returned to civilization (which is why he told Hurley, “I am dead but I am here,” because to the world, he IS dead).

    So I still don’t buy the “apparition” can touch people thing. And I don’t buy the undead thing. Yep, I think Christian is alive.

    Of course that makes too much sense to be a realistic possibility *G*.

    : ) P[/quote]
    PJ I’m disappointed! After spending the last few days reading the comments for this episode and the previous one, I found myself agreeing with your comments more than anyone else’s – I enjoyed reading almost everything you wrote. (I especially liked comment #54 on this thread).

    But to say Charlie isn’t dead…….first off, there’s no way he could fit through the port hole. But mostly, it defeats the purpose of the last half of season 3 – the course correcting/redemption of Charlie plotline. I think it would be a major cop-out by TPTB if it turns out Charlie is not dead.[/quote]

    *********************
    Ok, as one of the few people that I think actually enjoyed Charlie’s character…I just have one gripe about the whole scene with him dying and maybe I just haven’t watched it closely enough…but before he went into the room to turn off the jamming equipment, he pointed out to Des that there was diving equipment in the station…why didn’t they both just put it on before he attempted to turn off the equipment and then they could have swam back up together…sorry, just had to get that off my chest…I’m sure I missed something and I’m wrong about something, but it’s been bugging me!!

  454. jaime says:

    [quote comment="218908"][quote comment="218907"][quote comment="218885"]

    [/quote]
    Ok, as one of the few people that I think actually enjoyed Charlie’s character…I just have one gripe about the whole scene with him dying and maybe I just haven’t watched it closely enough…but before he went into the room to turn off the jamming equipment, he pointed out to Des that there was diving equipment in the station…why didn’t they both just put it on before he attempted to turn off the equipment and then they could have swam back up together…sorry, just had to get that off my chest…I’m sure I missed something and I’m wrong about something, but it’s been bugging me!![/quote]

    ****************
    IMO I believe it is because Charlie (who i loved as well) fianally excepted his “fate” which he knew would help Claire and Aaron get off the island.

  455. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="218903"]
    Just the fact that D&C have stated that CS is both dead and undead, and have QUALIFIED the word “dead” in SEVERAL ways, leads me to believe that there is a lot more to the story.
    [/quote]
    Your opinion doesn’t aggravate me. I like to hear why some of us think certain characters are dead or not. I just thought that last statement from Carlton was pretty clear “In terms of actually physically corporally in existence… he’s dead”.
    I agree there is a lot more to his story. You know, I dont think he ever exchanged words with Jack when he appeared to him on the island. Maybe that’s why Jack has to go back. Find his “dead” body and bury him. Unfinished island business.

    Keep on beating Kate’s dead horse, you cant hurt it, it’s undead.

  456. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="218904"]

    Regarding the issue of whether an apparition can hold a baby (Tim’s comment #435), if we consider that Christian is a manifestation of the smoke monster (which is my belief), then it has the ability to touch things/people. Smokey literally grabbed onto the pilot, Locke and Eko while in its “smoke” form, and it bounced off the sonic fence. So I think it’s possible it could hold a baby (and pet a dog, which I think Christian did in one of the mobisodes).[/quote]
    Right on Toeknee. I knew there was a “logical” {whatever that means on this show}explanation out there from one of the many great minds on this blog.

  457. DocH says:

    CS told Jack (over the phone) “let it go”, while Jack was on Hydra.

    re: Apparitions holding, touching, petting, slapping ‘stuff’, AND suspending belief about said Apparitions. Just one question, when you watch a ‘ghost-story’ and the ‘ghost’ passes through a wall – on the second floor! – how come the ‘ghost’ doesn’t fall through the floor? Answer: You’ve suspended belief and are willing to accept what the writer’s are telling you.
    (works for star trek & all of the other sci-fi genres out there too.)

  458. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="218920"]CS told Jack (over the phone) “let it go”, while Jack was on Hydra.
    [/quote]
    TY Doc. Wasn’t absolutely sure. So that was only the voice of CS over a speaker. That’s not really exchanging words or replying to Jack’s questions.

  459. DocH says:

    [quote]
    So that was only the voice of CS over a speaker. That’s not really exchanging words or replying to Jack’s questions.
    [/quote]
    Granted. I think I incorporated many Jack-CS off-island dialogues into my train of thought, and the on-island stuff where Jack was talking and asking things and CS was staring, turning, walking away, etc… as his reply. CS is a ‘siren’… sent to lure & distract.

  460. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="218907"]But to say Charlie isn’t dead…….first off, there’s no way he could fit through the port hole. But mostly, it defeats the purpose of the last half of season 3 – the course correcting/redemption of Charlie plotline. I think it would be a major cop-out by TPTB if it turns out Charlie is not dead.[/quote]

    To me, the port-hole was EXACTLY Charlie-sized. And as I have said before, he had already proven his incredible lung capacity by swimming down TO the Looking Glass, so I think it is possible. We have also seen that Desmond’s flashes don’t ALL come true – Charlie has lived a NUMBER of times after Desmond saw him die. PLUS, we know Claire does NOT get off the island (though it IS possible that she boards a helicopter with Aaron in arms, per Desmond’s last flash).

    However, if Charlie isn’t shown as really “alive” by the end of this season, then it WILL be a bit of a cop-out to bring him back later.

    Hey! Maybe CHARLIE is the person that Kate was talking to!

    : ) P

  461. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="218929"]
    We have also seen that Desmond’s flashes don’t ALL come true – Charlie has lived a NUMBER of times after Desmond saw him die.
    [/quote]
    Someone mentioned this yesterday. Wasn’t the reason he lived BECAUSE Desmond intervened?
    Im also curious as to which “flashes” didn’t come true, without Desmonds intervention? The soccer game was true, Des just got the wrong day was all.
    I thought Kate was talking to Hammer.

  462. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="218926"] CS is a ‘siren’… sent to lure & distract.[/quote]
    He sure is.

  463. Rita says:

    [quote comment="218929"][quote comment="218907"]But to say Charlie isn’t dead…….first off, there’s no way he could fit through the port hole. But mostly, it defeats the purpose of the last half of season 3 – the course correcting/redemption of Charlie plotline. I think it would be a major cop-out by TPTB if it turns out Charlie is not dead.[/quote]

    To me, the port-hole was EXACTLY Charlie-sized. And as I have said before, he had already proven his incredible lung capacity by swimming down TO the Looking Glass, so I think it is possible. We have also seen that Desmond’s flashes don’t ALL come true – Charlie has lived a NUMBER of times after Desmond saw him die. PLUS, we know Claire does NOT get off the island (though it IS possible that she boards a helicopter with Aaron in arms, per Desmond’s last flash).

    However, if Charlie isn’t shown as really “alive” by the end of this season, then it WILL be a bit of a cop-out to bring him back later.

    Hey! Maybe CHARLIE is the person that Kate was talking to!

    : ) P[/quote]
    *****************************
    Go back and watch the “Charlie death scene”. He is clearly floating dead, no doubt about it, dead. No way did he float there dead for awhile, then decide “Oh, I guess I will struggle out the window and keep holding my breath to reach the surface”. Sorry, but if he isn’t “dead”, then maybe “undead” (?), but DEFINITELY not “alive”.

  464. Trixanna says:

    [quote comment="218886"][quote comment="218713"]What is this dead/undead/alive business? [/quote]
    They are all vampires. Just kidding.
    Here’s what was said. You can decide for yourself.
    Podcast 3-21-08
    Carlton: “Kate’s Horse?” {they both laugh.}
    Damon: “WE have this, this is actually a funny story, we have this board in the um, in the, in the room with all the,”
    Carlton: “The writers room”
    Damon: “in the writer’s room, with all the actors who are on the show, all the oceanic 815ers, but then all the sort of recurrs like Penny Widmore, Charles Widmore”
    Carlton: “we have their headshots, so we can keep track of who have on the show”
    Damon: “and Matthew Abaddon, and basically”
    Carlton: “Sawyer”
    Damon: “Yeah so everybody. They go into a door that says “deceased”, once they die, we move them over there. And then there’s a door that says “undead”.
    Carlton: “Yeah”.
    Damon: “And on the undead door there is only 3 pictures, one of them is..”
    Carlton: “Christian Sheperd”
    Damon: “One of them is Christian Sheperd, one of them is Yemi, and the other one is
    Carlton: both laughing “Kate’s horse”
    Damon: “Kate’s horse, just a picture of a horse.”
    Carlton: “So Kate’s horse is”
    Damon: “undead”

    Thats it. The podcast can be found at lostpedia. This comment starts just after the half way point. I dont know how to put the link on here or I would.[/quote]
    Thank you for attempting to assist me on this one. My skull must be extremely thick because I still DON’T GET IT!!! LOL!!! I actually lost sleep over this last night… came out at 2:00 a.m. to see if anyone answered me. Pathetic, huh? I am willing to give it a rest until more is divulged though. I have to give it a rest or I may lose more beauty sleep and I certainly can’t afford to do that! Thanks!

  465. Trixanna says:

    [quote comment="218940"][quote comment="218929"][quote comment="218907"]But to say Charlie isn’t dead…….first off, there’s no way he could fit through the port hole. But mostly, it defeats the purpose of the last half of season 3 – the course correcting/redemption of Charlie plotline. I think it would be a major cop-out by TPTB if it turns out Charlie is not dead.[/quote]

    To me, the port-hole was EXACTLY Charlie-sized. And as I have said before, he had already proven his incredible lung capacity by swimming down TO the Looking Glass, so I think it is possible. We have also seen that Desmond’s flashes don’t ALL come true – Charlie has lived a NUMBER of times after Desmond saw him die. PLUS, we know Claire does NOT get off the island (though it IS possible that she boards a helicopter with Aaron in arms, per Desmond’s last flash).

    However, if Charlie isn’t shown as really “alive” by the end of this season, then it WILL be a bit of a cop-out to bring him back later.

    Hey! Maybe CHARLIE is the person that Kate was talking to!

    : ) P[/quote]
    *****************************
    Go back and watch the “Charlie death scene”. He is clearly floating dead, no doubt about it, dead. No way did he float there dead for awhile, then decide “Oh, I guess I will struggle out the window and keep holding my breath to reach the surface”. Sorry, but if he isn’t “dead”, then maybe “undead” (?), but DEFINITELY not “alive”.[/quote]
    I so desperately want to believe Charlie is alive too. Rita, I cannot be swayed by logic.. ha ha ha!

    Fingers in ears singing “La De Da… Ho Hum… I can’t hear you!”

    Love the idea that the port hole was Charlie size. Love it!

    LA meeting still on for tomorrow?

  466. Trixanna says:

    Former post by me (#467) started with me saying I desperately want Charlie to be alive. Sorry Rita, I hope people didn’t get a mixed signal from you. Rita believes Charlie is dead, Trixanna doesn’t want to believe it. Thought I quoted and replied correctly but I messed up. (Wow, what a concept, what else could I be wrong about?????)

  467. jenny says:

    Has anyone here read An Occurrence at Owl Creek? Its a short story by Ambrose Bierce about a man who is condemned to hanging, and as he is pushed off the bridge, the hanging rope breaks as he survives. in the end though it is revealed that he actually died and the entire story, him reuniting with his wife, etc, was all in his mind and he imagined it all before the rope snapped and killed him.

    the story was featured in an episode, the lost con.

    I am sure its been looked upon before, but i thought i’d bring it up, what with all the undead ideas floating around.

  468. RGS says:

    [quote comment="218904"]I’m late to the party here, due to real life getting in the way, and due to an attempt to remain completely spoiler free (like skweez is doing, according to his/her comment on the thread for the preceeding episode).[/quote]

    Good to see one of the folks I tend to agree with on a regular basis returning…let me guess though (in my Mr. Friendly voice) “The Island won’t let you allow real life to get in the way.” I bet when you got on the Internet all of your favorites pointed to this site. Everytime you tried to type an URL this site came up, so you finally relented and began blogging away.

    I’m guessing the PJ stands for Pitbull Jaws, because he is NOT letting go of the idea that Charlie is not DEAD.

  469. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="218970"]Has anyone here read An Occurrence at Owl Creek? Its a short story by Ambrose Bierce about a man who is condemned to hanging, and as he is pushed off the bridge, the hanging rope breaks as he survives. in the end though it is revealed that he actually died and the entire story, him reuniting with his wife, etc, was all in his mind and he imagined it all before the rope snapped and killed him.

    the story was featured in an episode, the lost con.

    I am sure its been looked upon before, but i thought i’d bring it up, what with all the undead ideas floating around.[/quote]

    Interestingly enough……
    http://www.lostblog.net/lost/tv/show/an-occurence-at-owl-creek-bridge

    http://www.lostblog.net/lost/tv/show/an-occurence-at-owl-creek-bridge-chapter-ii

    http://www.lostblog.net/lost/tv/show/an-occurrence-at-owl-creek-bridge-chapter-iii

  470. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="218911"][quote comment="218904"]

    Regarding the issue of whether an apparition can hold a baby (Tim’s comment #435), if we consider that Christian is a manifestation of the smoke monster (which is my belief), then it has the ability to touch things/people. Smokey literally grabbed onto the pilot, Locke and Eko while in its “smoke” form, and it bounced off the sonic fence. So I think it’s possible it could hold a baby (and pet a dog, which I think Christian did in one of the mobisodes).[/quote]
    Right on Toeknee. I knew there was a “logical” {whatever that means on this show}explanation out there from one of the many great minds on this blog.[/quote]
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Thanks but I wouldn’t go so far as to say I have a great mind. And you might agree too, lost4ever, once I inform you that I am a………….Celtics fan. :)

  471. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="218976"][quote comment="218904"]I’m late to the party here, due to real life getting in the way, and due to an attempt to remain completely spoiler free (like skweez is doing, according to his/her comment on the thread for the preceeding episode).[/quote]

    Good to see one of the folks I tend to agree with on a regular basis returning…let me guess though (in my Mr. Friendly voice) “The Island won’t let you allow real life to get in the way.” I bet when you got on the Internet all of your favorites pointed to this site. Everytime you tried to type an URL this site came up, so you finally relented and began blogging away.

    I’m guessing the PJ stands for Pitbull Jaws, because he is NOT letting go of the idea that Charlie is not DEAD.[/quote]
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Thanks for the kind words RGS, and you’re right – I’ve called technical support to have them straighten out this problem with my browser, and they’ve been trying for weeks to fix it, but they’re baffled. So here I am.

  472. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="218934"]
    Someone mentioned this yesterday. Wasn’t the reason he lived BECAUSE Desmond intervened?
    Im also curious as to which “flashes” didn’t come true, without Desmonds intervention? The soccer game was true, Des just got the wrong day was all.
    I thought Kate was talking to Hammer.[/quote]
    In addition to Kate telling me about Sawyer’s money, she wanted me to tell you that Charlie is dead. :)

  473. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="218904"]I’m late to the party here, due to real life getting in the way, and due to an attempt to remain completely spoiler free (like skweez is doing, according to his/her comment on the thread for the preceeding episode), but I had one thought that I didn’t see mentioned here….[/quote]
    Welcome back Toeknee. Mega dittos from the vast right winged conspiracy that Charlie is physically dead. :)

  474. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="218942"][quote comment="218886"][quote comment="218713"]What is this dead/undead/alive business? [/quote]
    They are all vampires. Just kidding.
    Here’s what was said. You can decide for yourself.
    Podcast 3-21-08
    Carlton: “Kate’s Horse?” {they both laugh.}
    Damon: “WE have this, this is actually a funny story, we have this board in the um, in the, in the room with all the,”
    Carlton: “The writers room”
    Damon: “in the writer’s room, with all the actors who are on the show, all the oceanic 815ers, but then all the sort of recurrs like Penny Widmore, Charles Widmore”
    Carlton: “we have their headshots, so we can keep track of who have on the show”
    Damon: “and Matthew Abaddon, and basically”
    Carlton: “Sawyer”
    Damon: “Yeah so everybody. They go into a door that says “deceased”, once they die, we move them over there. And then there’s a door that says “undead”.
    Carlton: “Yeah”.
    Damon: “And on the undead door there is only 3 pictures, one of them is..”
    Carlton: “Christian Sheperd”
    Damon: “One of them is Christian Sheperd, one of them is Yemi, and the other one is
    Carlton: both laughing “Kate’s horse”
    Damon: “Kate’s horse, just a picture of a horse.”
    Carlton: “So Kate’s horse is”
    Damon: “undead”

    Thats it. The podcast can be found at lostpedia. This comment starts just after the half way point. I dont know how to put the link on here or I would.[/quote]
    Thank you for attempting to assist me on this one. My skull must be extremely thick because I still DON’T GET IT!!! LOL!!! I actually lost sleep over this last night… came out at 2:00 a.m. to see if anyone answered me. Pathetic, huh? I am willing to give it a rest until more is divulged though. I have to give it a rest or I may lose more beauty sleep and I certainly can’t afford to do that! Thanks![/quote]

    Here is my attempt and theory since you are losing sleep over it. ..Undead = Whisperers. Phsyically dead, but island undead. Hammer stands for Pitbull Jaws. :)

  475. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="218904"]I’m late to the party here, due to real life getting in the way, and due to an attempt to remain completely spoiler free (like skweez is doing, according to his/her comment on the thread for the preceeding episode), but I had one thought that I didn’t see mentioned here….[/quote]

    The first step is admitting you have a problem. skweez is reading all the posts too. Not fooling me you LAs. :p

  476. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="218920"]

    re: Apparitions holding, touching, petting, slapping ‘stuff’, AND suspending belief about said Apparitions. Just one question, when you watch a ‘ghost-story’ and the ‘ghost’ passes through a wall – on the second floor! – how come the ‘ghost’ doesn’t fall through the floor? Answer: You’ve suspended belief and are willing to accept what the writer’s are telling you.
    (works for star trek & all of the other sci-fi genres out there too.)[/quote]
    Spot on, we are to except the rules of the story.

  477. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="218942"]
    Thank you for attempting to assist me on this one. My skull must be extremely thick because I still DON’T GET IT!!![/quote]
    HTH! I dont really understand where they were going with it either. Maybe that will be cleared up by the end of the season.

  478. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="218999"]
    Thanks but I wouldn’t go so far as to say I have a great mind. And you might agree too, lost4ever, once I inform you that I am a………….Celtics fan. :)[/quote]
    I really liked yours and DocH’s explanation on why CS could hold Aaron.

    As far as being a Celtics fan, that is your problem. Especially when we win in 6. Triple double from the KING tonite. Good thing game is on at 7.
    Sidenote– PAPA JOHN’s is selling pizza’s today for 23 cents in the Cleveland area.

  479. i’ve only read the last 100 comments, so forgive me if this is redundant.

    so this is the first time we’ve seen Island Christian when he wasn’t wearing the suit…any thoughts?
    i looked at old pics to see if maybe that’s what he wore the last time claire saw him, but i don’t think that’s the case….the lighting made it hard to tell.

    also, regarding desmond’s flashes/claire getting on the chopper…i DO think they meant something because those scenarios DID come true, but he intervened. however, they all involved charlie’s death, so i wonder if it will pan out the same since he’s dead.

  480. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="218976"]
    I’m guessing the PJ stands for Pitbull Jaws, [/quote]
    That’s funny. In an interveiw with D&C last week on G4, they compared Smokey and it’s actions to a Pitbull.
    Damon: “the smoke monster’s like a pitbull, you know, if you let it off it’s leash..”
    Carlton: “it’ll bite somebody”
    Damon: “the chances of it attacking you, are just as great as it attacking someone else”
    Carlton: “maybe it’s a little less likely to attack Ben, but its not like it does tricks”.
    Interesting.

  481. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="219011"]
    Here is my attempt and theory since you are losing sleep over it. ..Undead = Whisperers. Phsyically dead, but island undead. Hammer stands for Pitbull Jaws. :)[/quote]
    That could be it, but wasn’t Boone one of the whispers? “It’s all in the whispers”.
    You may be right about the Kate/Sawyer promise.
    I think we might see that promise in the finale, along with a “spectacular” kiss.

  482. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="219048"]
    That could be it, but wasn’t Boone one of the whispers? “It’s all in the whispers”.
    [/quote]
    Yes I believe Boone is a Whisperer, hence my very fluid theory of who in the heck is doin’ the Whispering…dead and undead = Whisperers?

  483. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="219037"]As far as being a Celtics fan, that is your problem. Especially when we win in 6. Triple double from the KING tonite. Good thing game is on at 7.
    Sidenote– PAPA JOHN’s is selling pizza’s today for 23 cents in the Cleveland area.[/quote]
    Fitting…since I don’t like either.:) You’ll better hope “Mr. Big Shot’s” (Billups) hammy doesn’t get better soon…

  484. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="219012"]
    The first step is admitting you have a problem. skweez is reading all the posts too. Not fooling me you LAs. :p[/quote]

    LOL I tried a strategy of staying a week behind, waiting until after the SNBH episode aired before reading the TSOTTC thread. But reading the comments here is so addictive I couldn’t hold off on reading the SNBH thread. It’s like Lays potato chips – noone can read just one.

  485. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="219057"][quote comment="219048"]
    That could be it, but wasn’t Boone one of the whispers? “It’s all in the whispers”.
    [/quote]
    Yes I believe Boone is a Whisperer, hence my very fluid theory of who in the heck is doin’ the Whispering…dead and undead = Whisperers?[/quote]
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    I agree with that, Hammer. Although we ultimately may find out the Boone is one of the “undead”.

    In general, I think we shouldn’t read too much into the “undead” term that D&C used. And I don’t think you can use any real-world-based definition of “undead” that you might think of and apply it to what happens on Lost. I think D&C chose to use that somewhat ambiguous term to describe some of the strange happenings that we have witnessed (appearances of CS, Yemi, and the horse), and then offer a sort of disclaimer that the term dead means something different on Lost. I’m sure they didn’t want to use a more accurate word than “undead”, nor did they want to go into a more detailed explanation of what they mean by “undead”, because that would give away more secrets than they want to give out at this time. And like Hammer has said, it’s likely that the explanation ties into the explanation of the Whispers.

  486. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="219072"][quote comment="219057"][quote comment="219048"]
    That could be it, but wasn’t Boone one of the whispers? “It’s all in the whispers”.
    [/quote]
    Yes I believe Boone is a Whisperer, hence my very fluid theory of who in the heck is doin’ the Whispering…dead and undead = Whisperers?[/quote]
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    I agree with that, Hammer. Although we ultimately may find out the Boone is one of the “undead”.

    In general, I think we shouldn’t read too much into the “undead” term that D&C used. And I don’t think you can use any real-world-based definition of “undead” that you might think of and apply it to what happens on Lost. I think D&C chose to use that somewhat ambiguous term to describe some of the strange happenings that we have witnessed (appearances of CS, Yemi, and the horse), and then offer a sort of disclaimer that the term dead means something different on Lost. I’m sure they didn’t want to use a more accurate word than “undead”, nor did they want to go into a more detailed explanation of what they mean by “undead”, because that would give away more secrets than they want to give out at this time. And like Hammer has said, it’s likely that the explanation ties into the explanation of the Whispers.[/quote]
    ++++++++++++++++++
    Seems weird that DocH(I mention you because you recently said the same) and I would be too timid to say something on this blog…but you have just said what I was too timid to take a stand on. I agree and thanks for saying it.

  487. Hammer says:

    There is an audio Mother’s Day podcast from D&C…no more spoilerish than a normal podcast, but stay away if you are “spoiler free”. But it reminded me of the questioning of the DHARMA food drops we have debated here before.

    I am thinking that we haven’t had a DHARMA food drop since the turning of the key…right? Maybe more support that the turning of the key has stopped island time and it’s taking longer to get a drop? I know it’s weak, but I like this theory almost as much as the Whisperers. “g”

  488. Padgett says:

    I’m afraid that the Pit bull desires a particular type of owner…these pet dogs, regardless of how ‘supportive’ nevertheless have teeth, are still creatures without having moral concepts and when they DO bite, won’t allow go. As in all creatures…some tend to be a lot more suseptable to instinctual habits and time and time once again, this breed tends to complete just that.

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