Cabin Fever

Locke - Lost - Season 4

Spoiler Warning

Locke, Hurley and Ben continue their quest for Jacob’s cabin tonight – and we will be introduced to a new character as they draw closer. Also, we’ll see what Michael has been up to since Sayid handed him over to the psychotic Freighter people.

ABC’s Official Show Description

“Locke is enlightened as to the whereabouts of Jacob’s cabin, and life aboard the freighter becomes perilous.”

Tonight’s episode is a Locke-centric flashback, and I have to think this will be one of the better episodes of the season. On the surface it definitely seems to be the most intriguing – we’ve been waiting forever for someone to go back to Jacob’s cabin and for some reason Hurley seems to be the key to that at this point – perhaps he is the most “in sync” with the Island now? Further, based on the show description it does not look like the situation on the freighter is getting any better.

Episode Preview

As always, a few early peeks: Sneak Peek 1 | Sneak Peek 2 | Sneak Peek 3 | Sneak Peek 4

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551 Responses to Cabin Fever

  1. lost4ever says:

    I wonder who the new character is?

  2. PJSander says:

    Oh wow, what a wonderful treat. Usually on Thursdays, I spend the day looking at the clock just WAITING for 10pm. Today, I plum forgot it was Thursday and got a happy surprise when I realized.

    Hi. My name is PJ, and I am a Lostaholic.

    *everyone in unison* “Hi PJ!”

    *sigh*

    : ) P

  3. Michael says:

    Can we talk about the new guy in the preview above?

  4. Rita says:

    Wow! Another great episode coming up! Can’t wait, as usual. (HI PJ!!)

  5. JamesA says:

    My comment is only on the production, not the story line. The freighter is actually a “work boat” or offshore oil rig supply vessel. It does not have a proper heliport for landing helicopters. The vertical obstructions are well within the diameter of the helicopter blades. I actually witnessed a chopper that accidentally landed on the back of such a vessel. It was hovering over the end of the boat, got one skid hung between some pallets of chemicals, had to put it down unevenly, and the rotor hit the port gunwale and sheared off. Fortunately, no one was hurt.

    Anyway, I will willingly suspend disbelief, and look forward to tonight’s episode.

    Cheers

  6. Lins says:

    Hmmmm…..Cabin Fever…could this be a Jacob cabin…a ship cabin…? Oh the possibilities!

  7. Trixanna says:

    Maybe we will get more info on the elusive Jacob tonight? To me, Jacob = Cabin. The cabin has always creeped me out though. Yikes!

    I was just getting ready for the LA meeting when I realized it won’t start until 9:00 tonight. See you all there!

  8. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="219125"]Hmmmm…..Cabin Fever…could this be a Jacob cabin…a ship cabin…? Oh the possibilities![/quote]
    Wasn’t it also a movie a couple years back?

  9. Lins says:

    [quote comment="219147"][quote comment="219125"]Hmmmm…..Cabin Fever…could this be a Jacob cabin…a ship cabin…? Oh the possibilities![/quote]
    Wasn’t it also a movie a couple years back?[/quote]

    ***************
    I don’t remember…but now that I think about it…this is LOST…so it’s probably a cabin we’ve never seen or thought of and someone probably gets sick (“fever”) that we wouldn’t have thought of…and we’ll probably have a million more questions about it in the morning :)

  10. lost chicka says:

    [quote comment="219096"]

    Hi. My name is PJ, and I am a Lostaholic.

    *everyone in unison* “Hi PJ!”

    *sigh*

    : ) P[/quote]

    Hi, my name is Lost Chicka I’m a lostaholic and I also suffer from cabin fever.

    *everyone in unison* “Hi LC!” :)

  11. tasha says:

    [quote comment="219152"][quote comment="219147"][quote comment="219125"]Hmmmm…..Cabin Fever…could this be a Jacob cabin…a ship cabin…? Oh the possibilities![/quote]
    Wasn’t it also a movie a couple years back?[/quote]

    ***************
    I don’t remember…but now that I think about it…this is LOST…so it’s probably a cabin we’ve never seen or thought of and someone probably gets sick (“fever”) that we wouldn’t have thought of…and we’ll probably have a million more questions about it in the morning :)[/quote]

    Yeah it was a movie about a bunch of teenagers that drank some water and their insides started coming out. There was this one part where it was sorta…xxx…guy had fingers in bad spot and blood was everywhere. It was like acid on their bodies and they puked blood. Really nasty movie but very stupid. Most likely has nothing to do with this episode.

  12. Lins says:

    [quote comment="219154"][quote comment="219152"][quote comment="219147"][quote comment="219125"]Hmmmm…..Cabin Fever…could this be a Jacob cabin…a ship cabin…? Oh the possibilities![/quote]
    Wasn’t it also a movie a couple years back?[/quote]

    ***************
    I don’t remember…but now that I think about it…this is LOST…so it’s probably a cabin we’ve never seen or thought of and someone probably gets sick (“fever”) that we wouldn’t have thought of…and we’ll probably have a million more questions about it in the morning :)[/quote]

    Yeah it was a movie about a bunch of teenagers that drank some water and their insides started coming out. There was this one part where it was sorta…xxx…guy had fingers in bad spot and blood was everywhere. It was like acid on their bodies and they puked blood. Really nasty movie but very stupid. Most likely has nothing to do with this episode.[/quote]

    ***************************
    Wow…yeah…let’s hope that’s not what this ep is about :)

  13. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="219114"]Can we talk about the new guy in the preview above?[/quote]
    If you are talking about the preview and NOT one of the sneak peaks……he’s NOT new.

  14. Rita says:

    [quote comment="219174"][quote comment="219114"]Can we talk about the new guy in the preview above?[/quote]
    If you are talking about the preview and NOT one of the sneak peaks……he’s NOT new.[/quote]
    **********************
    Yes, and how is it that Horace died 12 years ago? If the purge was 12 years ago, and Danielle has been there for 16 years, does that mean that Ben kidnapped Alex 4 years BEFORE the purge and lived with her there at Otherville?

  15. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="219175"][quote comment="219174"][quote comment="219114"]Can we talk about the new guy in the preview above?[/quote]
    If you are talking about the preview and NOT one of the sneak peaks……he’s NOT new.[/quote]
    **********************
    Yes, and how is it that Horace died 12 years ago? If the purge was 12 years ago, and Danielle has been there for 16 years, does that mean that Ben kidnapped Alex 4 years BEFORE the purge and lived with her there at Otherville?[/quote]
    +++++++++++
    And Danielle miraculously survived? Her story don’t mesh….do it?

  16. CAG says:

    Hammer, what are you doing on here? The Red Wings are playing!!

  17. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="219182"]Hammer, what are you doing on here? The Red Wings are playing!![/quote]
    Multi-tasking. :)

  18. PJSander says:

    Okay, this is totally off-topic, but I figure it’s fair, since the episode doesn’t start for another 85 minutes…

    It took me almost the whole first season to stop thinking of Jack as Charlie (because Matthew Fox was Charlie on “Party of Five”). And now, with Bernard playing a central role again, I still see Mr. DeWitt, the principal on “Growing Pains!” There are others, but they didn’t stand out so much. It makes me happy that I didn’t see the Lord of the Rings movies and that most of the other people were unknowns or on shows I didn’t watch!

    Okay, back to your regularly schedule “whisper”ing.

    : ) P

  19. adriennez says:

    Watching the Scrubs series finale on NBC and I could swear they just did a shout-out to Lost…Dr. Cox is telling Jack a bedtime story including all of the characters from Scrubs and Elliot has a problem with a patient/her handmaiden who is being plagued by a monster that looked like an animated smoke monster…so funny!

  20. DocH says:

    For all those that can’t wait to start figuring out the episode tonight here is an edjimicated tease by Jeff Jensen (4 pages) at

    http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20198515,00.html

    AND the insider scoop at

    http://www.hawaiiweblog.com/2008/04/04/lost-rolling-along

    no thoughts until the show aires. hint: read the second link first… see you in another life brotha… after the Stars win.

  21. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="219185"]Okay, this is totally off-topic, but I figure it’s fair, since the episode doesn’t start for another 85 minutes…

    It took me almost the whole first season to stop thinking of Jack as Charlie (because Matthew Fox was Charlie on “Party of Five”). And now, with Bernard playing a central role again, I still see Mr. DeWitt, the principal on “Growing Pains!” There are others, but they didn’t stand out so much. It makes me happy that I didn’t see the Lord of the Rings movies and that most of the other people were unknowns or on shows I didn’t watch!

    Okay, back to your regularly schedule “whisper”ing.

    : ) P[/quote]
    You haven’t seen LOR?! May I suggest during the next Lost hiatus…..you need to get the DVDs.

  22. lostfreak says:

    what is the LA meetings that are always talked about right before the show?

  23. jasonissawyer says:

    Found a live chat about lost: http://backnoise.com?lost

  24. jasonissawyer says:

    @lostfreak I think that’s what you were talking about.

  25. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="219191"]what is the LA meetings that are always talked about right before the show?[/quote]
    Just a running joke: LAA = Lost Aholics Anonymous. :)

  26. jasonissawyer says:

    DOH! Good one!

  27. lost chicka says:

    [quote comment="219177"][quote comment="219175"][quote comment="219174"][quote comment="219114"]Can we talk about the new guy in the preview above?[/quote]
    If you are talking about the preview and NOT one of the sneak peaks……he’s NOT new.[/quote]
    **********************
    Yes, and how is it that Horace died 12 years ago? If the purge was 12 years ago, and Danielle has been there for 16 years, does that mean that Ben kidnapped Alex 4 years BEFORE the purge and lived with her there at Otherville?[/quote]
    +++++++++++
    And Danielle miraculously survived? Her story don’t mesh….do it?[/quote]

    yes, and what happened to her the world may never know. i’m SOOOO upset still that she NEVER got a flashback OR flashforward!

  28. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="219175"][quote comment="219174"][quote comment="219114"]Can we talk about the new guy in the preview above?[/quote]
    If you are talking about the preview and NOT one of the sneak peaks……he’s NOT new.[/quote]
    **********************
    Yes, and how is it that Horace died 12 years ago? If the purge was 12 years ago, and Danielle has been there for 16 years, does that mean that Ben kidnapped Alex 4 years BEFORE the purge and lived with her there at Otherville?[/quote]
    +++++++++++++
    Spoiler warning!!!!! I’m not sure

    Horace may have been one of the few in the Darma group that sided with the others and died later. OR…..Dead time, undead time and living time are different. Either way, Horace’s nose was bleading like Minkowski’s did before he died. Maiby his undead subcouncious is time traveling to his other undead or really dead body?

    2 hours ten minutes here in San Diego.

  29. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="219197"]+++++++++++++
    Spoiler warning!!!!! I’m not sure

    Horace may have been one of the few in the Darma group that sided with the others and died later. OR…..Dead time, undead time and living time are different. Either way, Horace’s nose was bleading like Minkowski’s did before he died. Maiby his undead subcouncious is time traveling to his other undead or really dead body?

    2 hours ten minutes here in San Diego.[/quote]
    ++++++++++++
    Not sure about the rest of your post, but Horace died in the purge, Ben walked up on him at the compound while he was dead on a bench and closed his eye lids for him.

  30. omar says:

    [quote comment="219194"][quote comment="219191"]what is the LA meetings that are always talked about right before the show?[/quote]
    Just a running joke: LAA = Lost Aholics Anonymous. :)[/quote]

    there really is LAA meetings, but its kinda like fight club…underground or on some island in the seychelles. im going to greece next month, n u all kno what the greek are famous for.=)

  31. JamieGirl says:

    3 minutes in New York. I will be livid if in 2010 when Lost wraps, they don’t explain everything.

  32. tasha says:

    1 more minute I think!!!!!

  33. Hammer says:

    Wings win with 38 seconds to spare!!! Sorry DocH.

  34. Bruce says:

    It’s on

  35. omar says:

    michaels gonna die!!!!!!

  36. tasha says:

    This is way too much to take in! LOL

  37. Bruce says:

    There’s going to have to be an 8th season (or a mini-series).

  38. Hammer says:

    That’s it, I want to know how many toes Alpert has.

  39. PJSander says:

    WAIT! John’s mother’s name is Emily? Isn’t that BEN’s mother’s name? Could they be half brothers?

    ACK!

    : ) P

  40. tasha says:

    I’m confused…I thought the Dr was dead?!?! I thought he floated to shore and Jack and them found him?

  41. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="219212"]I’m confused…I thought the Dr was dead?!?! I thought he floated to shore and Jack and them found him?[/quote]
    You missed the morse code coming across too! Time…….

  42. Hammer says:

    Whisperers have arrived?

  43. tasha says:

    I KNEW it! I knew Christian was in there all along! I didn’t expect Claire!

    AND where the hell did Syid go? Surely he would have gotten to the island before the Dr floated to it!

  44. lust4lost says:

    who’s the creepy guy that “interviewed” john as a kid? he was also part of the DI … when John caught those people growing mj in the tents … remember?

  45. lust4lost says:

    and the black guy … what did he say to john? (let the dog out and missed the dialogue) he’s the same guy that visited hurley in the nut house

  46. PJSander says:

    MOVE the island? Claire and CS? Seems like a lot of you were on the right track!

    : ) P

  47. Hammer says:

    Now we know why Ben was able to tell Widmore he’ll never find the island…it gets moved…again.

  48. lust4lost says:

    the nosebleed means you’re going to die … remember des… but he had a constant…so he lived

  49. Toeknee says:

    Woohoo! Richard Alpert is back! I actually cheered when I saw him. Thank God “Cane” was cancelled!

    Funniest line – Hurley saying “Mallomars” when Locke woke him up early in the episode.

  50. PJSander says:

    The “creepy guy” was Richard Alpert.

    http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Alpert

    The “black guy” was Abaddon.

    http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Abaddon

    What he told Locke was to go on a walk-about, to see what he was made of. He put Locke in Australia!

    : ) P

  51. Honey says:

    I just finshed watching tonight and I want to know who to curse out! I’m done, the magic is gone! I’m going to get season 1 on DVD and call it a day!

  52. lost-on-mars says:

    It seems like Richard hasn’t aged from the 50’s till we saw him again luring Juliet to the Island. What a crazy beginning.

  53. Toeknee says:

    Not sure I fully understand Abbaddon’s role. Being that he hired Naomi, Faraday, etc, I assumed he was in cahoots with Widmore. But in this episode it seems he was was working on behalf of the island, on the same team that Jacob, Alpert and Ben are on; by giving Locke the idea of an Australian walkabout, he essentially guaranteed Locke would make it to the island.

  54. lost chicka says:

    [quote comment="219226"]Woohoo! Richard Alpert is back! I actually cheered when I saw him. Thank God “Cane” was cancelled!

    Funniest line – Hurley saying “Mallomars” when Locke woke him up early in the episode.[/quote]

    i almost screamed, instead i just focused in on his guyliner…so locke’s been chosen his whole life and has kept on failing??? both groups have been trying to get him??? (YAAAAH!! ALPERT”S BACK!!!!) and christian isn’t jacob he just speaks for him! oooh!!! claire’s alive right? she seemed just to nonchalant about aaron being right where he needed to be.

  55. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="219228"]I just finshed watching tonight and I want to know who to curse out! I’m done, the magic is gone! I’m going to get season 1 on DVD and call it a day![/quote]
    Really?! I thought it was fascinating. Moved the story line along and exposed a little more of the mythology, while still raising about 42 new questions.

  56. Toeknee says:

    It was interesting to see Claire completely at peace – it reminded me of how Cindy seemed so comfortable when we saw her with the Others. What is it that caused both of these characters to become so happy with these strangers?

  57. Nick says:

    Sorry about the downtime. We are working on it.

  58. omar says:

    [quote comment="219228"]I just finshed watching tonight and I want to know who to curse out! I’m done, the magic is gone! I’m going to get season 1 on DVD and call it a day![/quote]

    LOL honey

  59. PJSander says:

    Another funny line:

    “Destiny, John, is a fickle bitch.”

    [quote comment="219232"]
    Really?! I thought it was fascinating. Moved the story line along and exposed a little more of the mythology, while still raising about 42 new questions.[/quote]

    There are always a few dissenters, Toeknee. Last week, it was Omar. Tonight, Honey. I am trying to accept that not everyone loves LOST like we do!

    : ) P

  60. lost-on-mars says:

    Great turns and twists as usual. Time, Place, Life or Death are never certain. Einstein would have a field day with theorizing about the island.

  61. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="219230"]Not sure I fully understand Abbaddon’s role. Being that he hired Naomi, Faraday, etc, I assumed he was in cahoots with Widmore. But in this episode it seems he was was working on behalf of the island, on the same team that Jacob, Alpert and Ben are on; by giving Locke the idea of an Australian walkabout, he essentially guaranteed Locke would make it to the island.[/quote]
    Yeah, I’m struggling with that too, but I’m glad they are kind of confirming that at least some of these folks were guided onto the island via the plane.

  62. LostGrrl says:

    [quote comment="219228"]I just finshed watching tonight and I want to know who to curse out! I’m done, the magic is gone! I’m going to get season 1 on DVD and call it a day![/quote]

    No, no, I totally disagree. Really juicy ep. We learned:

    – Alpert is either a time traveler or ageless. (Q: Why was he so pissed that Little John chose the knife? Had he just stuck with the sand and the compass, would Alpert have taken him to the island right then?)

    – Abaddon is much more integral to the story than just as Widmore’s supposed point man. He’s the reason Locke took the trip to Australia in the first place. And like Alpert, he doesn’t seem to have aged. (Perhaps Widmore has a time travel machine in another part of his mansion?)

    – We will be seeing Abaddon again when he comes to collect on the favor John now owes him.

    – Clare seems like she’s really dead. (Was anyone else REALLY scared when John went into Jacob’s cabin? I thought the appearance of Christian was a bit anti-climatic, since that’s been a theory — though I have no idea how he fits in with Jacob. But then seeing Claire there looking so serene gave me the heebie jeebies. No way she’s still alive and so calm that Aaron isn’t with her.

    – Michael STILL can’t be killed. Keemy’s gun worked fine when it wasn’t pointed at Michael!

    – The captain of the ship isn’t really in charge. And wasn’t really a bad guy. And now, of course, he’s fish food.

    – Keemy IS a bad guy.

    – Time difference between the boat (DR alive) and the island (DR dead) = COOL! (But it was a good point brought up earlier… in that case, how come Sayid didn’t arrive before the DR’s body washed up?

    – Frank still a cool guy. Correct me if I’m wrong though, but he dropped the sat phone so that Jack & Co. could stay AWAY from Keemy & Co. Guess Jack doesn’t know this yet.

    Really liked the ep!

  63. lost chicka says:

    [quote comment="219235"]It was interesting to see Claire completely at peace – it reminded me of how Cindy seemed so comfortable when we saw her with the Others. What is it that caused both of these characters to become so happy with these strangers?[/quote]
    they must put ‘em all on drugs….:P

  64. RAY says:

    [quote comment="219197"][quote comment="219175"][quote comment="219174"][quote comment="219114"]Can we talk about the new guy in the preview above?[/quote]
    If you are talking about the preview and NOT one of the sneak peaks……he’s NOT new.[/quote]
    **********************
    Yes, and how is it that Horace died 12 years ago? If the purge was 12 years ago, and Danielle has been there for 16 years, does that mean that Ben kidnapped Alex 4 years BEFORE the purge and lived with her there at Otherville?[/quote]
    +++++++++++++
    Spoiler warning!!!!! I’m not sure

    Horace may have been one of the few in the Darma group that sided with the others and died later. OR…..Dead time, undead time and living time are different. Either way, Horace’s nose was bleading like Minkowski’s did before he died. Maiby his undead subcouncious is time traveling to his other undead or really dead body?

    2 hours ten minutes here in San Diego.[/quote]

    ====

    Taken from Lostpedia…

    “Roger helped Emily and the baby to the side of a highway and flagged down Horace and Olivia Goodspeed for assistance. Before the Goodspeeds could drive the Linus family to the hospital, Emily died.”

    http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Ben%27s_mother

    I think it’s very possible that Emily Linus is both John and Ben’s mother.

  65. dj says:

    Seriously, that episode kicked ass, how could you not have liked it.

    “Fate is a Fikel Bitch” That was awesome.

  66. Hammer says:

    I think someone mentioned it on this blog…and I’m starting to agree that Locke and Jacob may be on in the same. The time lines seem to be on a collision course as DocH once pointed out and that may explain why CS had to speak for Jacob?

  67. DocH says:

    Great episode.

    First, Claire looks like she could take Hurley in a ‘Ranch Dressing’ eating contest.

    Hurley fuuny was the power bar – share it with Ben scene,

    Horace G-S…not bleeding… bleeding… not bleeding… bleeding, etc… seems like he was on a broken replay. (like Leia… help me Obi-Wan!… help me Obi-Wan!… help me Obi-Wan!, etc…)

    Alpert at Locke’s baby care, Alpert at 8 yr old Locke’s house. Alpert trying to recruit H-School musical Locke to Mittelos in Portland. Abbadon trying to recruit wheel chair Locke. Locke’s mom to Emily – Locke’s dad is twice the age of Locke’s mom. hmmmm… Emily hit by a car. Juliet’s ex hit by a bus? Who else.

    sKeamy with a “mysterious” detonater attached to his arm. Michael beaten down. Lapidus still an honest agent, Des slinking into the shadows?

    One of the best three episodes this season. They are bringing it.

    Alpert with young Locke: Knife, Compass, Book of Jesus, bottle of Jacob ‘kitty-litter’, plus what? One more? Why the anger and storming out by Richard?

  68. omar says:

    Man that might have been the best episode this season, so far, maybee..but it looks like the captain is clearly not in chagre or if he ever was, and keamy is running the operstion…and who is alpert suppose to be, an alien from another planet, and where is he now?… its all to creepy that he has been recruiting john locke from when he was a baby..thats before ben was born, and i think ben was just the alternitive to the island until locke could get there… what is claire doing in the cabin and how she just gonna leave baby aaron like that and not care?…and what is jacks dad doing speaking for jacob?…i hope sayid gets back to the island before keamy does, and…MOVE THE ISLAND, WTF…my theory on vile vortices was right, i think the island can jump into different dimensions, and that explains why alpert has not aged, cause in other dimensions there is no growth and u r in a state of illusion… so does that mean when someone dies from the island they are not really dead but just moved to another dimension?

  69. Hammer says:

    Premature kudos to those that said Claire is dead…I’m buying it.

  70. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="219247"]
    Alpert with young Locke: Knife, Compass, Book of Jesus, bottle of Jacob ‘kitty-litter’, plus what? One more? Why the anger and storming out by Richard?[/quote]
    Baffled by why he was angry about the knife, especially knowing that he ends up being a knife expert?

  71. Toeknee says:

    I’m trying to make sense of the Jacob-Christian connection too. Did Christian know about the island or know Jacob before he (Christian) “died”? Or was that not the case, but once OA815 crashed on the island, did Jacob/the island somehow take over Christian’s body? I hope the explanation doesn’t turn out to be that by landing on the island, Christian was brought back to life – I’ve been trusting in D&C’s statement that characters who are dead stay dead, and I think it would suck if they play games with what the meaning of “dead” is.

    And how does this relate to Yemi and Horace? Yemi appeared to Eko, while Eko was awake. But both Yemi and Horace appeared to Locke, while he was sleeping, and gave him instructions that apparently came from the island/Jacob.

  72. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="219242"]- Time difference between the boat (DR alive) and the island (DR dead) = COOL! (But it was a good point brought up earlier… in that case, how come Sayid didn’t arrive before the DR’s body washed up?[/quote]

    Maybe the body DIDN’T stay on the heading and Sayid did, or vice-versa?

    : ) P

  73. omar says:

    hey lostgrrl, ill give u the heebie jeebies.. lol, but for real i think claire is dead also

  74. Can't get enough says:

    Wasn’t the knife that young John Locke chose the same knife that Locke has been using on the island?

  75. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="219253"]
    And how does this relate to Yemi and Horace? Yemi appeared to Eko, while Eko was awake. But both Yemi and Horace appeared to Locke, while he was sleeping, and gave him instructions that apparently came from the island/Jacob.[/quote]
    Well, Ben did mention to John that he used to have dreams too. I think it’s just another way of island communicating to the special ones.

  76. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="219247"]
    Alpert with young Locke: Knife, Compass, Book of Jesus, bottle of Jacob ‘kitty-litter’, plus what? One more? Why the anger and storming out by Richard?[/quote]
    There was also a comic book. And I thought the other book said “Book of Laws”. I thought Richard was acting like a pissy little so and so, kind of like how my kids act when the don’t get their way.

  77. DocH says:

    and… the Hurley speech… thru the jungle alone at night? naa… I am gonna stick with you losers. Ben saying that the island wants Locke now, not him. (no ego there). And Jack… what are you doing up? Jack all spry and chipper. Maybe now that the island has hooked-up with Locke (MOF) – our resident MD Jack (MOS) is off the hook and the island has granted him a speedy recovery.

    Not much (any) Sawyer, Miles, Daniel or Big Red this week (sad!)

  78. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="219247"]Horace G-S…not bleeding… bleeding… not bleeding… bleeding, etc… seems like he was on a broken replay. (like Leia… help me Obi-Wan!… help me Obi-Wan!… help me Obi-Wan!, etc…)
    [/quote]
    I took this a support of you theory that the “times” are colliding. Skipping and trying to sync up?

  79. tasha says:

    I dont know about Emily. SHe would have died a long time before Locke met her.

  80. Keys says:

    Did anyone else notice that the comic book was in the same series as the one that Walt had with the polar bears in it?

  81. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="219244"]

    Taken from Lostpedia…

    “Roger helped Emily and the baby to the side of a highway and flagged down Horace and Olivia Goodspeed for assistance. Before the Goodspeeds could drive the Linus family to the hospital, Emily died.”

    http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Ben%27s_mother

    I think it’s very possible that Emily Linus is both John and Ben’s mother.[/quote]
    At this point I’m reluctant to rule anything out (except Charlie still being alive – sorry PJ!), but I don’t think it’s likely that they have the same mother. Ben’s mother died when Ben was born, so that’s like 35 to 40 years ago. But we saw Locke’s mother Emily alive in flashback scenes that occurred within 10 years or so before the crash.

    However, I do think it’s intentional that the writers gave their mothers the same name, to show the similarity/connection between Ben and Locke.

  82. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="219261"]I dont know about Emily. SHe would have died a long time before Locke met her.[/quote]
    Maybe just a Lost cross…like how D&C’s mothers are both named Sue. :)

  83. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="219261"]I dont know about Emily. SHe would have died a long time before Locke met her.[/quote]

    I am not sure who said Emily met Locke. Several of us think that maybe teenage Emily Locke who gave birth to John was the same young adult Locke that gave birth to Ben.

    : ) P

  84. DocH says:

    [quote comment="219258"]
    There was also a comic book. And I thought the other book said “Book of Laws”. I thought Richard was acting like a pissy little so and so, kind of like how my kids act when the don’t get their way.
    [/quote]
    YES. Thank you. I blanked and have no replay this week. The comic book (A LINDELOF STD.) said “Mystery”… I could not visually scan it fast enough to catch the subtext. It had a luminous man on it. (que?) The map of the ‘cabin’ bears interest. Also, there was a back-pack that was emptied out with lots of ‘stuff’ in it… When? Where? Who? (may have clues..)

  85. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="219263"][quote comment="219244"]

    Taken from Lostpedia…

    “Roger helped Emily and the baby to the side of a highway and flagged down Horace and Olivia Goodspeed for assistance. Before the Goodspeeds could drive the Linus family to the hospital, Emily died.”

    http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Ben%27s_mother

    I think it’s very possible that Emily Linus is both John and Ben’s mother.[/quote]
    At this point I’m reluctant to rule anything out (except Charlie still being alive – sorry PJ!), but I don’t think it’s likely that they have the same mother. Ben’s mother died when Ben was born, so that’s like 35 to 40 years ago. But we saw Locke’s mother Emily alive in flashback scenes that occurred within 10 years or so before the crash.

    However, I do think it’s intentional that the writers gave their mothers the same name, to show the similarity/connection between Ben and Locke.[/quote]
    Just gonna throw this out there….same mother in different time lines? Don’t attack me, I don’t really buy it either.

  86. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="219263"]I don’t think it’s likely that they have the same mother. Ben’s mother died when Ben was born, so that’s like 35 to 40 years ago. But we saw Locke’s mother Emily alive in flashback scenes that occurred within 10 years or so before the crash.

    However, I do think it’s intentional that the writers gave their mothers the same name, to show the similarity/connection between Ben and Locke.[/quote]

    Which flashback was that, Toeknee? I don’t think the woman who was at the house when little boy John got the visit from Alpert was John’s mother. I think it was more likely a foster mother or adoptive mother. Emily’s mother talked of adoption when John was an infant, and the mother in the little boy scene had two other similar aged children. I don’t think teenage Emily Locke had two more children very quickly!

    : ) P

  87. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="219247"]
    Alpert with young Locke: Knife, Compass, Book of Jesus, bottle of Jacob ‘kitty-litter’, plus what? One more? Why the anger and storming out by Richard?[/quote]
    I’ll bet Richard has/had the same conversation with Walt, Ben, what other “special” people?

  88. tasha says:

    [quote comment="219265"][quote comment="219261"]I dont know about Emily. SHe would have died a long time before Locke met her.[/quote]

    I am not sure who said Emily met Locke. Several of us think that maybe teenage Emily Locke who gave birth to John was the same young adult Locke that gave birth to Ben.

    : ) P[/quote]

    well he did meet his mom BEFORE he met his dad.

  89. meathead says:

    What a crummy episode. I’ve been quite patient with other episodes that make more questions, but this one takes the cake.

    They’re turning away casual viewers by episodes like these.

  90. jonathan says:

    abaddon works for widmore and sends locke to australia. Desmond is related to widmore and turns the key that liberates the energy causing the plane to crash. widmore sends Keamy to kill everyone on the island. Lots of Widmore pieces in that episode that does not seem to fit together…yet.

  91. tasha says:

    WHat is going on here? I think I posted this and its not showing up. Locke met Emily(his mom) before he met his dad. SHe told him he was special and was conceived out of emasculate conception or something.

  92. tasha says:

    I’m gonna try this one more time LOL. Locke met his mom and she told him he was special and was conceived out of emaculate conception.

  93. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="219268"][quote comment="219263"]I don’t think it’s likely that they have the same mother. Ben’s mother died when Ben was born, so that’s like 35 to 40 years ago. But we saw Locke’s mother Emily alive in flashback scenes that occurred within 10 years or so before the crash.

    However, I do think it’s intentional that the writers gave their mothers the same name, to show the similarity/connection between Ben and Locke.[/quote]

    Which flashback was that, Toeknee? I don’t think the woman who was at the house when little boy John got the visit from Alpert was John’s mother. I think it was more likely a foster mother or adoptive mother. Emily’s mother talked of adoption when John was an infant, and the mother in the little boy scene had two other similar aged children. I don’t think teenage Emily Locke had two more children very quickly!

    : ) P[/quote]
    ++++++++++++++
    I think Toeknee was talking about the FB where Locke’s real mom tells him he was immaculatley concieved. She set him up to meet his real dad for money so he could con Locke out of a kidney.

  94. tasha says:

    Ummm…sorry. It DID show up 3 times now LOL.

  95. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="219242"]
    – Alpert is either a time traveler or ageless. (Q: Why was he so pissed that Little John chose the knife? Had he just stuck with the sand and the compass, would Alpert have taken him to the island right then?)
    [/quote]
    I think Alpert wanted John to pick the Book of Laws. They showed Alpert start to smile a little as the kid stared at that book. So I assume that is a book of the island’s laws, written by someone long long ago, and they’re hoping John is the second coming of the book’s author (perhaps Jacob?).

    This goes along with Hammer’s comment #66, about John and Jacob being one and the same. And this is similar to what I was taught, growing up Catholic – Jesus was the son of God, but Jesus and God are one being.

    So the Lost version is that Jacob is a God-like figure, only making himself visible to those he wants to be visible to. And Jacob uses Christian to transmit messages to the people on the island, just like God used angels to transmit his messages to the people on earth. After decades or even centuries of waiting for the son of Jacob to come to earth, it has finally happened, in the form of John Locke. If Locke and Jacob are one and the same, that book of Laws belongs to Locke.

  96. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="219275"]
    I think Toeknee was talking about the FB where Locke’s real mom tells him he was immaculatley concieved. She set him up to meet his real dad for money so he could con Locke out of a kidney.[/quote]

    Well you see! This is what I get for not having watched any episodes other than the one that is on that week! I had no recollection of that, so sorry.

    : ) P

  97. omar says:

    i think emily is both locke and bens monther, and i think lockes mother in the show was acctually his grandmother… or maybe your right hammer, alpert is just going back in time and saving people and cris crossing the globe in other dimensions and time traveling with h.g. wells, and got the same cell phone contraption jerry o’connell had on his show “Sliders”, jumping from earth to earth setting up islands around the milky way…sorry, got out of hand…

  98. DocH says:

    [quote comment="219267"]
    …same mother in different time lines? Don’t attack me, I don’t really buy it either.
    [/quote]
    What? Too timid?

    [quote comment="219258"]
    There was also a comic book. And I thought the other book said “Book of Laws”.
    [/quote]
    Yes. I don’t disagree. I could not read the title very well here and guessed at BoJ. If you say BoL, then I concur.

  99. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="219277"][quote comment="219242"]
    – Alpert is either a time traveler or ageless. (Q: Why was he so pissed that Little John chose the knife? Had he just stuck with the sand and the compass, would Alpert have taken him to the island right then?)
    [/quote]
    I think Alpert wanted John to pick the Book of Laws. They showed Alpert start to smile a little as the kid stared at that book. So I assume that is a book of the island’s laws, written by someone long long ago, and they’re hoping John is the second coming of the book’s author (perhaps Jacob?).

    This goes along with Hammer’s comment #66, about John and Jacob being one and the same. And this is similar to what I was taught, growing up Catholic – Jesus was the son of God, but Jesus and God are one being.

    So the Lost version is that Jacob is a God-like figure, only making himself visible to those he wants to be visible to. And Jacob uses Christian to transmit messages to the people on the island, just like God used angels to transmit his messages to the people on earth. After decades or even centuries of waiting for the son of Jacob to come to earth, it has finally happened, in the form of John Locke. If Locke and Jacob are one and the same, that book of Laws belongs to Locke.[/quote]
    Makes sense to me.

  100. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="219275"]I think Toeknee was talking about the FB where Locke’s real mom tells him he was immaculatley concieved. She set him up to meet his real dad for money so he could con Locke out of a kidney.[/quote]

    Hmmm. Is it possible since SHE set him up to meet his real dad who ONLY wanted the kidney, that SHE wasn’t really his mother? As I said, I don’t remember the episode details – other than Katey Sagall.

    : ) P

  101. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="219266"][quote comment="219258"]
    There was also a comic book. And I thought the other book said “Book of Laws”. I thought Richard was acting like a pissy little so and so, kind of like how my kids act when the don’t get their way.
    [/quote]
    YES. Thank you. I blanked and have no replay this week. The comic book (A LINDELOF STD.) said “Mystery”… I could not visually scan it fast enough to catch the subtext. It had a luminous man on it. (que?) [/quote]
    Here’s a picture of it:

    http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/2008/05/comic-book-mystery-takes.html

  102. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="219283"][quote comment="219275"]I think Toeknee was talking about the FB where Locke’s real mom tells him he was immaculatley concieved. She set him up to meet his real dad for money so he could con Locke out of a kidney.[/quote]

    Hmmm. Is it possible since SHE set him up to meet his real dad who ONLY wanted the kidney, that SHE wasn’t really his mother? As I said, I don’t remember the episode details – other than Katey Sagall.

    : ) P[/quote]
    Certainly possible.

  103. Hammer says:

    Did anyone catch what was hanging in H.S. Musical Locke’s locker that he was shoved in.

  104. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="219283"][quote comment="219275"]I think Toeknee was talking about the FB where Locke’s real mom tells him he was immaculatley concieved. She set him up to meet his real dad for money so he could con Locke out of a kidney.[/quote]

    Hmmm. Is it possible since SHE set him up to meet his real dad who ONLY wanted the kidney, that SHE wasn’t really his mother? As I said, I don’t remember the episode details – other than Katey Sagall.

    : ) P[/quote]
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Hammer’s right – I was talking about this episode:

    http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Deus_Ex_Machina

    I suppose it’s possible that the woman who claimed to be his mother in that episode was lying, but I doubt that’s the case. It would seem like D&C are truly making it up as they go along (and in a very bad way) if they were to announce now that that woman wasn’t really his mother his real mother is Ben’s mother.

  105. tasha says:

    [quote comment="219286"]Did anyone catch what was hanging in H.S. Musical Locke’s locker that he was shoved in.[/quote]

    Geronimo Jackson. I remembered that from the Lost puzzles. There was also a picture. Not sure who it was but people are peculating its Christian or Alvar Hanso.

  106. DocH says:

    Whoever said that 8 yr old Locke was in a ‘foster’ type family situation, might be right. We see yonng John playing a board game with older sis and mom walking in the door with two (?) young’ins. That lends to the thought of a foster family. Particularly since ‘mom’ was eager to ship him out to “Richard Alpert School”. Why was Alpert so keen to learn why Locke was “BackGammon” savvy? And why was older sis to Locke such a “fickle bitch’?… slapping the Back Gammon board away from savvy, young John? (I don’t use the beyotch word in my personal life, but Locke’s older sis had it in spades.)

  107. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="219288"][quote comment="219286"]Did anyone catch what was hanging in H.S. Musical Locke’s locker that he was shoved in.[/quote]

    Geronimo Jackson. I remembered that from the Lost puzzles. There was also a picture. Not sure who it was but people are peculating its Christian or Alvar Hanso.[/quote]
    Thanks.

  108. Evan says:

    Pretty sure that my idea was shot down a few weeks ago by some people and this week only affirmed what I had said…the island is movable or even is always moving, but can move at different points…so all of you, i win

  109. lost chicka says:

    alpert’s test with the random things, was it a test for john on how well he separates the present from the future??

  110. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="219291"]Pretty sure that my idea was shot down a few weeks ago by some people and this week only affirmed what I had said…the island is movable or even is always moving, but can move at different points…so all of you, i win[/quote]
    Credit where credit is due. Kudos.

  111. lost chicka says:

    [quote comment="219289"]Whoever said that 8 yr old Locke was in a ‘foster’ type family situation, might be right. We see yonng John playing a board game with older sis and mom walking in the door with two (?) young’ins. That lends to the thought of a foster family. Particularly since ‘mom’ was eager to ship him out to “Richard Alpert School”. Why was Alpert so keen to learn why Locke was “BackGammon” savvy? And why was older sis to Locke such a “fickle bitch’?… slapping the Back Gammon board away from savvy, young John? (I don’t use the beyotch word in my personal life, but Locke’s older sis had it in spades.)[/quote]
    well don’t worry, his sister dies on the monkey bars or something and a dog shows up that his mom thinks is her…it’s in the ep where sawyer & kate go searching for sawyer’s boar.

  112. tasha says:

    I was hoping the captain would shoot Keemy tonight. Is that his name? Anyhow I was praying. What the heck was on his arm? I didn’t see anything in the comments but am sure it was mentioned…..

  113. TanziTwo says:

    [quote comment="219291"]
    …so all of you, i win
    [/quote]
    cool – you win. (what exactly?) okay, go hit the showers stud. we will call you back in january when we need another winning touchdown. in the mean time we will look back at everything you have prophesized and see how accurate those things are.
    also, we read your theory several weeks before you posted it, so – brilliant victory for you.

  114. omar says:

    [quote comment="219296"][quote comment="219291"]
    …so all of you, i win
    [/quote]
    cool – you win. (what exactly?) okay, go hit the showers stud. we will call you back in january when we need another winning touchdown. in the mean time we will look back at everything you have prophesized and see how accurate those things are.
    also, we read your theory several weeks before you posted it, so – brilliant victory for you.[/quote]

    LMAO

  115. lost chicka says:

    loved 8 year old locke’s picture of smokey taking down a man…how did he know about smokey??

    what was that on keamy’s arm? an ipod? a guitar tuner?

  116. Hammer says:

    Bedtime for Bonzo before the site gets overwhelmed by the West Coasters.

    Okay, I have to go lie awake in bed. Bummed out that there is no real confirmation that Claire and Sheppard are dead and therefore no real confirmation that they are Whisperers. Bummed that Horace turned out to be in a dream and therefore no real confirmation that he is a Whisperer(thought the info he gave Ben was accurate and not dream like). But I’m clinging….

  117. tasha says:

    [quote comment="219299"]loved 8 year old locke’s picture of smokey taking down a man…how did he know about smokey??

    what was that on keamy’s arm? an ipod? a guitar tuner?[/quote]

    That’s what I’m screaming!
    I think maybe it’s checking his pulse. If for some reason his pulse stops, the ship is gonna blow to a zillion pieces!

  118. DocH says:

    So… in the infamous words of Hammer H. Hammerstein… its’ Bedtime for Gonzo

    (Bonzo. I know – famous acting chimp.)

    Only three more hours of LOST this season, one hour next week and two hours three weeks from tonight. Que Malo!

  119. docjock says:

    “emasculate conception”

    Ouch

    thought that needed repeating

  120. tasha says:

    [quote comment="219303"]“emasculate conception”

    Ouch

    thought that needed repeating[/quote]

    HAHAHA

    Ok so I meant to write emaculate…which I think is immaculate…and my spell check changed it to that? Sorry:(

  121. docjock says:

    there are just easier ways to get it done…

  122. kid entropia says:

    great episode. freaking awesome. a little concerned about the apparent shift of power between locke and linus, but i´m sure it´s just that: apparent. the scene where hugo and ben share the chocolate bar: priceless. what a brilliant cooperation between the two actors. just for that, they should be given a globe award each xD.

  123. Victoria says:

    I know we are talking crazy at this point, but could Locke be Jacob??
    Maybe Richard wanted him to choose the book of laws to see if he was really HIM (and by choosing the knife he relized he was not ready…)

    and btw, I’m also starting to believe that Ben and Locke are relatives…

  124. tasha says:

    [quote comment="219306"]there are just easier ways to get it done…[/quote]

    Get what done??

  125. Golden Nugget Girls says:

    What a freakie episode tonight. We were on the edge of our seats. First of all, how are they going to move the island? And who is the timeless man from Locke’s childhood; who appeared to Ben as a kid, had long hair with the dharma initiative, and who always seems to be wearing eyeliner?

    We have questions!

    But did you hear that Steven King is a Lost fan and that he emailed advise to the show’s writers? He told them to decide how they’re story is going to end and to work backwards. Thanks Mr. King (the jacob cabin is definitely Steven King-creepy-stylie) I believe it because suddenly we are getting SOME answers.

    So lost geeks, do you find yourself strangely comparing your everyday world to LOST?

    Write us back.

  126. Lins says:

    Wow – I’m going to have to watch that one again…catch up on the 200 plus posts that will happen in the mean time and then chime in…but wow…Claire’s dead. And when they first showed CS’s body in the chair, it looked more like a corpse until the light came in and you could see it was him…I thought it was just a dead body. Ok, bed time, even for a West Coaster!

  127. Wanat says:

    Well I did notice that the name of the company Locke’s teacher was trying to convince him to check out in Portland was call Mittelos Technology… Mittelos can also spell “Isle O Time” so that has to obviously be the main focus of the island and the research upon it

  128. Kathy says:

    With all the character interactions and path crossings I have suspected and now firmly believe that all the Losties are a sort of “six degrees of separation” type scenario. I kinda thought this from season one but as the seasons go on it just seems to confirm it more and more, hate to throw the Oceanic 6 thing out there but it seems to fit into the degrees of separation.

  129. avalanche says:

    here’s my two cents: great ep!!! i love when this show ventures into creepy tone. i’m a fan of david lynch and i think just establishing and maintaining “genuine creepy” is hard!

    my main thought are rambling:
    john is a re–occurrance/–incarnation of a leader possibly jacob possibly alovar hanso.

    the test was like what the tibetan monks use to find reincarnations.

    i think there is going to be a divirgence between what the island’s “monks” (read initial inhabitants) want and what john does. “don’t tell me what i can’t do!” “i am not you ben.”

    they have been reliving time over and over these are the whisper’s–i think there was a star trek tng with similar whispers in a time warp.

    john may be the island’s constant.

    john’s gonna be the neo that stops the war!

  130. avalanche says:

    one last thought. john died at birth. maybe his mom reaklized theat and couldn’t pretend he was alive–she could see it and others could not. maybe the reason charles widmore can’t be killed is that he’s already dead. what if christian has always been dead?

  131. wanat says:

    “Mittelos Technologies”… Isle O Time Technologies, in Portland

  132. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="219322"]“Mittelos Technologies”… Isle O Time Technologies, in Portland[/quote]
    LOST TIME or TIME LOST

  133. lost4ever says:

    Locke is taking “control” of the island from Ben, Ben took “control” of the island from Widmore, How did Widmore get it?

    Was his mother’s name Emily also? What’s Claire’s name in REAL LIFE?

    Wings win, Cavs lose.

  134. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="219291"]Pretty sure that my idea was shot down a few weeks ago by some people and this week only affirmed what I had said…the island is movable or even is always moving, but can move at different points…so all of you, i win[/quote]
    Nice call. I dont think the game is over yet though.

  135. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="219291"]Pretty sure that my idea was shot down a few weeks ago by some people and this week only affirmed what I had said…the island is movable or even is always moving, but can move at different points…so all of you, i win[/quote]
    Nice call. I dont think the game is over yet though, so how did you win? And how many different places or “points” can it move to? Enlighten me please.

  136. lostfreak says:

    Questions-
    1)What’s up with the name john?
    Why was emily stuck on it?
    2)Is John’s dad Alpert?
    If not how else would he have been able to get to the hospital so quickly?
    3)How are they going to torture the island?
    4)Is Claire dead?
    That could be why she’s hanging out with christian.
    5)How is Locke going to move the island?

    Comments-
    1)the island still won’t let micheal kill himself.
    2)horace built the cabin-been dead for 12yrs
    WEIRD!!!!
    3)Find Horace, Find Jacob
    reminds me of heroes. Save the cheerleader save the world.
    4)Ben’s freaky
    especially when locke wakes up to see him staring at him.
    5)Ben used to have dreams.
    Why doesn’t he still have them?
    6)jOHN DOESN’T REMEMBER aLPERT.
    Why not?
    7)john drew the smoke monster when he was little.
    Why doesn’t he remember that?
    8)Black guy from hurley’s flash forward.
    That’s why john went to australia.
    9)I guess the pilot is helping the losties.
    10)John’s the new leader of the island.
    Very cool
    11)Christian is jacob’s Buddy!?!?!
    maybe even jacob himself.
    12)BEN+HURLEY+GRANOLA BAR=FUNNY

  137. Bob says:

    [quote comment="219229"]It seems like Richard hasn’t aged from the 50’s till we saw him again luring Juliet to the Island. What a crazy beginning.[/quote]

    Time Travel

  138. macdonsj says:

    Abbadon is an other in the same sense as Alpert

    Widmore clearly has some link to the island thru the Dharma Initiative & Abbadon is working for him in the same manner as Alpert was/is for Ben

    Ben “stole” the island from Dharma and therefore from Widmore

    Widmore & Ben know that Locke was the chosen one and sent Abbadon & Alpert respectively to locate Locke and “recruit” him

    Abbadon “Sent” Locke to Australia to place him on the island in the hope that he would eventually lead the island back to Widmore.

    Alperts test showed that he would be more “Widmore” by taking the knife hence why Alpert stated that he wasn’t ready. However, Locke becomes more in tune with the island and therefore is not any use to Widmore

    Ben is playing Locke – his speech about “my time is over” is to manipulate Locke and keep him one step ahead of Locke

  139. barbara says:

    Yes, Claire is dead and she is at peace with the “big picture” for Aaron. I also enjoy all of the BIBLICAL names…John, Jacob, Christian Shepard…and the list goes on.
    Abaddon is always referred to as a demon and I believe he is the dark side. Wiki the name and it also lists an abaddon as an ancient cave or place that can unlock the mysteries of life. Oh SUCH FUN here!!

  140. Lostfan says:

    I’ll throw this out there. There’s a longstanding theory (oh, and the producers said it’s so) that somehow this all relates to Adam and Eve.

    If we go on the theory that “Emily” is both Locke and Ben’s mother (let’s assume that the ‘mother’ who approached Locke about his father who needed a kidney was paid off by the conman to pretend she was his mother), that would make B & JL brothers (half).

    Cain and Abel?????? Cain did kill Abel – Ben did try to kill Locke. And…the thing about backgammon was first addressed in a previous episode where Locke said he liked the game because it was dark versus light. Evil versus good.

  141. Polli Kovitch says:

    [quote comment="219285"][quote comment="219283"][quote comment="219275"]I think Toeknee was talking about the FB where Locke’s real mom tells him he was immaculatley concieved. She set him up to meet his real dad for money so he could con Locke out of a kidney.[/quote]

    Hmmm. Is it possible since SHE set him up to meet his real dad who ONLY wanted the kidney, that SHE wasn’t really his mother? As I said, I don’t remember the episode details – other than Katey Sagall.

    : ) P[/quote]
    Certainly possible.[/quote]
    _______________________________
    YES…who is that man? He looks familiar.

  142. docjock says:

    There should be no doubt that Ben is manipulating Locke and his whole “the island loves you better” is just a play on Locke’s desire to be loved. He as much said so with his comment to John about getting Hurley to stay.

    “He believed it was his idea, John.”

    “No, I’m not you.”

    “You’re certainly not.”

    Locke is played again.

    Also – not sure I’d turn my back to Ben next to the Big Dharma Death Pit – AGAIN.

  143. docjock says:

    Wasn’t the knife Alpert presented to young Locke the same one Ben offers him to kill his dad on the island?

  144. LostGrrl says:

    [quote comment="219447"]
    Also – not sure I’d turn my back to Ben next to the Big Dharma Death Pit – AGAIN.[/quote]

    I was thinking the same thing!

    But this time, Ben takes out the gun he’s been hiding and shoots Locke AND Hurley. And Hurley would say something like, “Dude. Not cool.”

    And THAT’s why Charlie tells Hurley that he’s dead — because Ben killed him in the Death Pit! And THAT’s why Hurley told Jack in the FF that he wished he had gone with Jack and not Locke!

    Okay, maybe not.

    But seriously, I think Ben is more dangerous when he’s acting so passively as he did in this episode. Just means his brain is working overtime to figure out his next move.

  145. Uzuri says:

    I was kind of thinking Alpert was hoping Locke wouldn’t choose the knife because aren’t they “supposed” to be passive? “Supposed to” being the key words. I don’t know, I’ve always gotten that vibe, even if they did use force. Like, brains should be your weapon…

    #71- I liked the idea of Christian’s body being taken over.

    #68 and others- I think I can buy that Ben’s time might be over but of course, you just never know with him so I guess I’m not buying it completely. But it could be that now Locke’s here and he’s the true Chosen One.

    It seemed like Horace was in some kind of time-loop. And maybe Sayid went off course which is why he didn’t get there before the doc and the helicopter.

  146. Fara-dayo says:

    First off, I LOVE the idea of Ben and Locke having the same Mom (Emily). That would be crazy!

    Secondly, if the island gets moved…than how do the “Oceanic 6″ tell the world where they came from? Do they make up an island…they couldn’t really do that could they because someone would go and try to find it…right?

  147. JamieGirl says:

    [quote comment="219437"]Questions-
    1)What’s up with the name john?
    Why was emily stuck on it?
    2)Is John’s dad Alpert?
    If not how else would he have been able to get to the hospital so quickly?
    3)How are they going to torture the island?
    4)Is Claire dead?
    That could be why she’s hanging out with christian.
    5)How is Locke going to move the island?

    Comments-
    1)the island still won’t let micheal kill himself.
    2)horace built the cabin-been dead for 12yrs
    WEIRD!!!!
    3)Find Horace, Find Jacob
    reminds me of heroes. Save the cheerleader save the world.
    4)Ben’s freaky
    especially when locke wakes up to see him staring at him.
    5)Ben used to have dreams.
    Why doesn’t he still have them?
    6)jOHN DOESN’T REMEMBER aLPERT.
    Why not?
    7)john drew the smoke monster when he was little.
    Why doesn’t he remember that?
    8)Black guy from hurley’s flash forward.
    That’s why john went to australia.
    9)I guess the pilot is helping the losties.
    10)John’s the new leader of the island.
    Very cool
    11)Christian is jacob’s Buddy!?!?!
    maybe even jacob himself.
    12)BEN+HURLEY+GRANOLA BAR=FUNNY[/quote]

    Actually, I thought Alpert was John’s dad too… as soon as I saw him in the hospital. I have been fixed on the theme of killing one’s father (Ben killed his, Kate killed hers, John did not kill his father, Sawyer killed John’s father for him, which always made me think that maybe John’s father, was Sawyer’s father)… leaving John’s father in question). Or maybe, John’s father is Jacob, and Alpert is just one of the angels that works for Jacob.

  148. RGS says:

    Ok here’s my 2 cents. It seems pretty clear that Locke will be successful in moving the island and that’s why no one will seemingly be able to find it in the upcoming season. I’m not sure if Ben will know of its whereabouts.

    I don’t believe Abbadon is an Other, nor am I thinking he doesn’t age. When he is with Locke, it is fairly late in Locke’s life, therefore it is possible the visit occurred (i know we were all thinking Locke was gonna get pushed down those stairs) within 5-10 years before Locke goes to the island.

    Also with Alpert, for whatever reason, he knew that Locke was special and therefore they were keeping tabs on him (I agree Alpert could even be his dad, but I’m thinking that whole thought is theatrics and a red herring I think I’m starting to get a feel for when they throw out something for us to chew on til next week’s Pitbull rawhide toy) that’s why he’s able to find him. Just like Ben was able to find Michael.

    Hammer what was the big revelation from the Dharma pit scene that you were referencing. When I initially watched it I thought you may be talking about the hole in the skull head (hence my Anothalovaholeinyohead post) as we are to believe that everyone was gassed and not shot in the head?

    Incidentally that is why I thought Horace was bleeding from the nose, not necessarily the time conscious travel, but isn’t that what happened when they got gassed? (So glad that was merely a dream).

  149. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="219448"]Wasn’t the knife Alpert presented to young Locke the same one Ben offers him to kill his dad on the island?[/quote]

    Definitely NOT. Just watched “The Brig”. The knife Ben gives John to kill his dad has a hilt and the blade is shaped diferently. Last night’s ep knife has no hilt and is smaller.

  150. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="219262"]Did anyone else notice that the comic book was in the same series as the one that Walt had with the polar bears in it?[/quote]

    Not sure what you mean abt “same series”. Walt’s/Hugo’s comic book was a Green Latern comic, spanish version. Last night’s ep, comic book is an english version of “Mystery Tales”. Nowhere near the same dude.

  151. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="219262"]Did anyone else notice that the comic book was in the same series as the one that Walt had with the polar bears in it?[/quote]

    Not sure what you mean by “same series”. Walt’s/Hugo’s comic was the Green Latern, spanish version. Last night’s ep, comic was english version of “Mystery Tales”. Nowhere near the same, dude.

    Thing that was interesting abt last night’s comic was the cover story, “Hidden Land!”

  152. tasha says:

    The whole aging thing with Albert may not be time travel. Maybe he is just dead. Once someone dies they don’t age anymore. Who knows with time travel” and “undead” people things can go anywhere.

    DO you think Aaron may be the chosen one for the next leader? Maybe Claire knows that her son will be back and this is supposed to happen. I remember the episode with Charlie….where Claire seemed like Mary and was holding the baby…or was she with Mary? The white dove flies over. Anyhow it was the episode where Charlie kept thinking the baby was in danger. I need to go back and watch that episode ….but what if Claire was like Mary and Aaron has a bigger purpose, so she has accepted this because its SUPPOSED to happen. This may be why Kate is so overprotective of him. He is gonna turn out to be special too. Like Walt and John.

  153. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="219459"]

    Hammer what was the big revelation from the Dharma pit scene that you were referencing. When I initially watched it I thought you may be talking about the hole in the skull head (hence my Anothalovaholeinyohead post) as we are to believe that everyone was gassed and not shot in the head?[/quote]
    Do you mean from the last thread about the preview? If so, my revelation fizzled a bit, but I think it’s still viable. To me, when Locke points at the bodies and says, “we are going to see them”, it is support that the Whisperers are dead folks and Locke & gang will be talking to and “seeing” them soon. I was hoping that it would happen in last night’s episode. But I now think that it will be revealed during the FDW surprise.

  154. Anonymous says:

    Not sure if anyone mentioned this, but didnt Abaddon say to Locke something about surviving with only a knife on the walkabout? If I heard that correctly, it’d be another interesting thing about Locke choosing the knife and compass when he was young.

  155. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="219443"]Abbadon “Sent” Locke to Australia to place him on the island in the hope that he would eventually lead the island back to Widmore.

    [/quote]
    Agree that Abbadon put John on the course to send him to the island. However, I think Abbadon is a double agent. Seemingly loyal to Widmore, but sending John to the island without Widmore knowing and picking the science team that would help the losties.

  156. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="219459"]
    Incidentally that is why I thought Horace was bleeding from the nose, not necessarily the time conscious travel, but isn’t that what happened when they got gassed? (So glad that was merely a dream).[/quote]
    I haven’t looked back yet, but I think Horace was bleeding when he died. Unlike you…I was bummed it was only a dream. But still think the skipping had to do with DocH’s comment about time sync-ing up.

  157. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="219443"]Abbadon is an other in the same sense as Alpert

    Widmore clearly has some link to the island thru the Dharma Initiative & Abbadon is working for him in the same manner as Alpert was/is for Ben

    Ben “stole” the island from Dharma and therefore from Widmore

    Widmore & Ben know that Locke was the chosen one and sent Abbadon & Alpert respectively to locate Locke and “recruit” him

    Abbadon “Sent” Locke to Australia to place him on the island in the hope that he would eventually lead the island back to Widmore.

    Alperts test showed that he would be more “Widmore” by taking the knife hence why Alpert stated that he wasn’t ready. However, Locke becomes more in tune with the island and therefore is not any use to Widmore

    Ben is playing Locke – his speech about “my time is over” is to manipulate Locke and keep him one step ahead of Locke[/quote]

    Agree that Abbadon put John on the course to send him to the island. However, I think Abbadon is a double agent. Seemingly loyal to Widmore, but sending John to the island without Widmore knowing and picking the science team that would help the losties.

  158. tasha says:

    TO add to my last comment 152…in the episode apparently the baby was not really in danger. By saving the baby Mr. Ecko made it sound like her and the baby needed to be baptized…but why? Mr. Ecko also had wanted to know why she chose the name Aaron. Anyhow it was the episode where they both got baptized.

  159. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="219464"]The whole aging thing with Albert may not be time travel. Maybe he is just dead. Once someone dies they don’t age anymore. Who knows with time travel” and “undead” people things can go anywhere.[/quote]
    +++++++++++++
    Agreed. If dead folks can show themselves as apparitions and as show in the whisper trancripts…some of them wanted to show themselves to the Losties, than your point makes sense.

  160. sector7 says:

    Can’t find the post but read it. I agree the doc washed up onshore before Sayid makes it back because the doc floated in on a different bearing. Apparently, the bearing you approach at can mean you arrive early, late, or not at all.

  161. Courtney says:

    I was looking into some references for the name ‘Emily’, and thought that since they use so many biblical names, perhaps I should start there. I didn’t find any listing for ‘Emily’ or ‘Aemilia’, ‘Aemilius’ or ‘Amalia’ (from which the name ‘Emily’ is derived), but I did find quite a few ‘Saint Emily’s’. A few of them looked like nothing significant to the Lost story, but one, noted in Russian Orthodoxy: http://orthodoxwiki.org/Emily, kind of did simply because she was often called, “The Mother of Saints.” Five of her ten children became Saints.

    I know that’s a loooooong stretch, but hey, I love attempting to find meaning in the characters’ names.

    Also, it’s still throwing me that since ‘Jack’ is a form of ‘Johnathon’, and we’ve got two camps, both headed by a ‘John’, there could be something more to the connection between Jack and John Locke. Oooh, perhaps ‘Jack’ is modeled after John Shepherd-Barron, father of the ATM. (Yes, I’m joking)

  162. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="219459"]
    (i know we were all thinking Locke was gonna get pushed down those stairs)
    [/quote]
    Yes! And part of the reason I thought that would happen is that in the HBO show “Oz”, there was a scene where Lance Reddick’s character pushed a wheelchair-bound character (played by Harold Parrineau) down a set of stairs. I wonder if they shot last night’s scene in that manner, as a sort of shout-out to “Oz”.

  163. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="219471"][quote comment="219464"]The whole aging thing with Albert may not be time travel. Maybe he is just dead. Once someone dies they don’t age anymore. Who knows with time travel” and “undead” people things can go anywhere.[/quote]
    +++++++++++++
    Agreed. If dead folks can show themselves as apparitions and as show in the whisper trancripts…some of them wanted to show themselves to the Losties, than your point makes sense.[/quote]
    _______________
    I disagree. Mittleos = lost time is why. I think that’s a clue that it has everything to do with “time” as to the reason Richard doesn’t age.

    Couldn’t the whispers be coming from people who are residing in the future or the past or trapped in a moment in time?

  164. Miraks says:

    [quote comment="219252"][quote comment="219247"]
    Alpert with young Locke: Knife, Compass, Book of Jesus, bottle of Jacob ‘kitty-litter’, plus what? One more? Why the anger and storming out by Richard?[/quote]
    Baffled by why he was angry about the knife, especially knowing that he ends up being a knife expert?[/quote]

    [quote comment="219467"][quote comment="219443"]Abbadon “Sent” Locke to Australia to place him on the island in the hope that he would eventually lead the island back to Widmore.

    [/quote]
    Agree that Abbadon put John on the course to send him to the island. However, I think Abbadon is a double agent. Seemingly loyal to Widmore, but sending John to the island without Widmore knowing and picking the science team that would help the losties.[/quote]
    ____________________________

    I don’t think Abbadon is a double agent. I think he is 100% Widmore man.

    Here is my take on it. John was born special. He is supposed to be the man of science and reason (science camp, book) not a warrior (picking the knife, wanting to be a jock). But John wants to be the warrior and insists on not wanting to be a man of reason/ science. That is why Alpert is frustrated with him, and why Abaddon is trying to recruit him. It’s all kind of Star Wars theme- both the dark side and the light side trying to recruit him.
    Now that he has chosen not to murder (his dad), he has in essence chosen the light side. Thus he has finaly arrived (in a spiritual sense) on the Island of his destiny.

  165. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="219477"][quote comment="219471"][quote comment="219464"]The whole aging thing with Albert may not be time travel. Maybe he is just dead. Once someone dies they don’t age anymore. Who knows with time travel” and “undead” people things can go anywhere.[/quote]
    +++++++++++++
    Agreed. If dead folks can show themselves as apparitions and as show in the whisper trancripts…some of them wanted to show themselves to the Losties, than your point makes sense.[/quote]
    _______________
    I disagree. Mittleos = lost time is why. I think that’s a clue that it has everything to do with “time” as to the reason Richard doesn’t age.

    Couldn’t the whispers be coming from people who are residing in the future or the past or trapped in a moment in time?[/quote]
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Of course your theory is possible and it’s likely a mixture of both. The future/past trapped folks can be dead too. Right? There is some pretty good evidence that the whispers were done by folks that have died.
    (I’m gonna copy and paste this in the whisper thread for grins since we are debating it.)

  166. Hammer says:

    sector7 wrote:

    Hammer wrote:

    tasha wrote:

    The whole aging thing with Albert may not be time travel. Maybe he is just dead. Once someone dies they don’t age anymore. Who knows with time travel” and “undead” people things can go anywhere.

    +++++++++++++
    Agreed. If dead folks can show themselves as apparitions and as show in the whisper trancripts…some of them wanted to show themselves to the Losties, than your point makes sense.

    _______________
    I disagree. Mittleos = lost time is why. I think that’s a clue that it has everything to do with “time” as to the reason Richard doesn’t age.

    Couldn’t the whispers be coming from people who are residing in the future or the past or trapped in a moment in time?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Of course your theory is possible and it’s likely a mixture of both. The future/past trapped folks can be dead too. Right? There is some pretty good evidence that the whispers were done by folks that have died.

  167. tasha says:

    I don’t understand what makes people like Locke so special! WHY CAN’T I BE SPECIAL? Why can’t I be chosen to crash on some island and take over? I want to be there so bad! I want to be on just ONE episode SOOOO bad! I want to crash on an island and find out I am special!

    Okay sorry. I was having a moment.

  168. Miraks says:

    Emily Linus and Emily Locke.
    Even though they have the same initials, I don’t think they are the same person. Ben’s mom died long before John met his living mom, Ben has a picture of his mom hanging on the wall (which makes me think that John would go- hey that’s MY mom), and they did not look anything alike.

  169. scully817 says:

    Why can’t Abbadon be an “Other” with Alpert? It is almost as if Abbadon chose Widmore’s science team b/c he knew that this team could eventually help save or move the island?

  170. docjock says:

    * Aaron is the key

    Someone help me out, since he is “where he is supposed to be” – who has Aaron right now?

    Given the fickle nature of the “truth,” we may only assume that outside forces of an unknown motivation have deemed it paramount that Aaron be raised by Claire (the psychic). We also know that Dead Charlie (is it really him?) has stated that Jack should not raise Aaron.

    1 – is Claire dead? I’m not so sure, despite what we have seen. She is still very viable in the story and her character is full of loose threads.

    2 – Season 4 will be “Get Aaron Back to the Island”

    A Locke Question: was it island sand in the bottle, or Jacob ashes?

  171. Uzuri says:

    [quote comment="219478"][quote comment="219252"][quote comment="219247"]
    Now that he has chosen not to murder (his dad), he has in essence chosen the light side. Thus he has finaly arrived (in a spiritual sense) on the Island of his destiny.[/quote]

    But he set Sawyer up to kill him. That doesn’t matter? It’s been a while since I’ve seen those epis but I thought Locke was just punking out, not because he didn’t want to kill a person.

  172. Eric says:

    Locke chose the dirt from Alpert. Island dirt. Place is “his” not Widmore’s as he asserted when Ben confronted him.

    There is a struggle in John to be a man of faith or a man of science. Alpert was unhappy he chose the knife, out of sync with Alpert’s need for John to recognize he’s a man of faith.

    I’ve always thought Locke = Jacob. Writers are King fans. Probably Clive Barker too. Imajica main character “John” doesn’t realize he’s a messiah, both man and messiah. In Imajica even the messiah has free will. So does Locke. Anyone else read this book to discuss the similarities?

    Thinking now Widmore used Desmond as a pawn. Widmore realizes his importance, and his potential “gift.” Couldn’t disclose island secrets, but knew he’d set sail and help him. Are we all resigned to believe Desmond just happened to find the island Widmore has spent his considerable resources searching for?

    Defintely think now people were manipulated to be on the plane. At least those on the “list.”

    Can’t see why Claire would be dead. At peace because Christian has filled her in on a bunch and put her mind at ease. The doctor washing up, but being alive on the boat may be the construct for understanding how Christian (and Charlie) can be both dead and alive.

    Don’t know how, but pretty sure Ben and Locke are in fact brothers. And Ben hasn’t lost all connection to island, as claimed. Remember he led Locke to Jacob cabin AFTER getting tumor removed. If sick truly = abandonned by island, Ben should not have led John there so easily (unless weird dirt somehow was Ben’s way to keep cabin locked in place).

  173. scully817 says:

    Maybe Aaron is supposed to be the next chosen one raised by Locke or Christian Shephard on the island?

  174. docjock says:

    “Here is my take on it. John was born special. He is supposed to be the man of science and reason (science camp, book) not a warrior (picking the knife, wanting to be a jock). But John wants to be the warrior and insists on not wanting to be a man of reason/ science. That is why Alpert is frustrated with him, and why Abaddon is trying to recruit him. It’s all kind of Star Wars theme- both the dark side and the light side trying to recruit him.
    Now that he has chosen not to murder (his dad), he has in essence chosen the light side. Thus he has finaly arrived (in a spiritual sense) on the Island of his destiny.”

    Homerun.

  175. scully817 says:

    Maybe Aaron is supposed to be the next chosen one and was supposed to be raised on the island by Jacob via Christian Shephard or by Locke?

  176. tasha says:

    [quote comment="219484"]* Aaron is the key

    Someone help me out, since he is “where he is supposed to be” – who has Aaron right now?

    Given the fickle nature of the “truth,” we may only assume that outside forces of an unknown motivation have deemed it paramount that Aaron be raised by Claire (the psychic). We also know that Dead Charlie (is it really him?) has stated that Jack should not raise Aaron.

    1 – is Claire dead? I’m not so sure, despite what we have seen. She is still very viable in the story and her character is full of loose threads.

    2 – Season 4 will be “Get Aaron Back to the Island”

    A Locke Question: was it island sand in the bottle, or Jacob ashes?[/quote]

    I think it was Jacob’s ashes. Claire’s psychic was a con artist right? He told Claire that evil would surround this baby and she needed to raise the baby. Claire acted like she was stoned last night. Maybe they brain washed her like they did Carl. She didn’t even just act dead…she acted like she was really high or brainwashed. Can people be possessed? That would be far fetched wouldn’t it? Maybe Kate is dead and Claire takes over her body and she really does raise her own baby. May be why she(Kate) acts like that is really her kid. Maybe thats why Charlie says “HEY! You can’t raise him!” “Cause in reality that’s not Kate…that’s Claire…and she is your half sis!”

    I can’t believe I just wrote that. I think I need to take a break from here. I am just throwing random stuff out there!

  177. vavila says:

    I apologize as I cannot read all the posts right now, but cannot wait to comment :)

    – always thought that Ben was not the sole leader and that original inhabitants have other leaders… it was great to see Alpert recruiting
    – Ben, Ben, Ben, good vs evil… for me I belive he has a good reason for all the evil things he does and this episode reaffirmed my view. Ben is still not the best liked but definately one of the best, if not the best and most complex characters…
    – cannot wait to learn more about original island inhabitants and see what role Ben will take on now that the island has Locke who isnow officially in favour and is a new/additional leader….

    great episode!

  178. Eric says:

    Eric
    Comment 546, posted 12 months ago – Quote and reply
    desmondo wrote:

    Brandon wrote:

    Go to losteastereggs.blogspot.com/20… check out the frames with Jacob. Really looks like Desmond.

    Actually, it looks like Terry O’Quinn (aka John Locke) with a wig on. If I had to bet, I would say that the man Locke saw was himself.

    I’ve posted for weeks that I think Locke = Jacob. Clearly the writers are fiction/horror fans (King is everywhere). Clive Barker is his contemporary, and Imajica, his opus, centers on a character who is a savior, a “great man” who had an “immaculate” birth. This man lived for centuries, doesn’t know it (through the first 500 pages of the book), travels between dimensions and has time/space “visions.”

    Locke saw a reflection of himself in that chair. Nate (and others) have done a good job with the stills to demonstrate this is plausible. Locke is not only Jacob, but he, like Imajica’s savior, has lived many lives that he has for some reason forgotten. This makes him possibly Hanso too, and his return to the island in present day on flight 815 a homecoming of sorts.

    The flashlight, when engaged, caused a small but significant electromagnetic surge, throwing the room into disarray.

    Imajica, in the end, is about one word, Reconciliation. Isn’t that what Locke’s “path” is about? Desmonds? All others who are “Lost?”

  179. adriennez says:

    Just listened to Darlton’s audio podcast on abc.com and from what they said it was like Richard Alpert was testing John Locke to see if he was the next “chosen one”…Darlton mentioned how a new Dalai Lama is chosen after one dies…I believe that Tibetan Buddhists believe that a new Dalai Lama is the incarnation of the previous…or something like that.

    It was weird how Alpert was there at different times in Locke’s life…after his birth, when he was a little kid, in the form of trying to recruit him(through the science teacher)for Mittelos summer camp, and later on when he needed to prove himself as special but could not kill Cooper…Alpert gave him Sawyer’s file to get him to do. Even though it seemed like he was disappointed that Locke could not pick out all of the items that “were his”, he was still present at different times.

    I have a hard time believing that Cooper is really Locke’s biological father…when Emily Locke as a teenager was going to go out, when she told Mrs. Locke that she is in love, Mrs. Locke said “but he is twice your age”…that means about 32. When she saw Richard Alpert in the hospital Mrs. Locke had a strange look on her face…is that because he was the boyfriend or she knew who he was and had some history with him…maybe she and Emily are from the island.

  180. docjock says:

    If Locke is Jacob, he says, “Help me” to himself.

    Ben is up to No Good.

  181. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="219288"][quote comment="219286"]Did anyone catch what was hanging in H.S. Musical Locke’s locker that he was shoved in.[/quote]

    Geronimo Jackson. I remembered that from the Lost puzzles. There was also a picture. Not sure who it was but people are peculating its Christian or Alvar Hanso.[/quote]

    _________________________
    The picture in John’s locker is of English explorer Sir Richard Burton

  182. Lins says:

    Wasn’t it confirmed that they eye that was seen the first time Locke was at Jacob’s cabin was not Locke’s eye or Ben’s eye? I still think Jacob is someone we haven’t met…the question now is…where is he? The last two times we’ve seen his cabin it’s been occupied by Christian who can apparently “speak on his behalf”…sounds a little fishy to me.

    I’m starting to think that there is a third party out there, the Abbadon and Alpert group. Not sure how that would work, but it’s a thought.

    The power change on the boat was really interesting…who is really working for Widmore and who is really just there as a pawn?

    And to comment on post #58 – they were baptized so that they would be together. The implication was that if anything should happen to Aaron, Claire wanted to be baptized too so that they would be together, presumably post-death. I think Eko was interested in the name Aaron because of the Biblical connotations – i.e. Aaron was a priest (like Eko) and a leader of the Israelites.

    Need to get back to work…

  183. adriennez says:

    Matthew Abaddon always scares the crap out of me…I thought for a minute he was going to push Locke’s wheelchair down the stairs. However, seeing how things have played out with the different folks from the freighter…I am not certain that Abaddon is bad or that he works for Charles Widmore.

    We know he hired Naomi but she seems to have been in charged of the scientist group, Frank, and whatever they had to do there, whereas Keamy seems to be in charged of the more militant commando group sent to get Ben and kill everyone else.

    I half expected Abaddon to be in the cabin when Locke went in there…I guess as others have posted, we will be seeing him when he does see John Locke again.

  184. dukewm says:

    [quote comment="219277"][quote comment="219242"]
    – Alpert is either a time traveler or ageless. (Q: Why was he so pissed that Little John chose the knife? Had he just stuck with the sand and the compass, would Alpert have taken him to the island right then?)
    [/quote]
    I think Alpert wanted John to pick the Book of Laws. They showed Alpert start to smile a little as the kid stared at that book. So I assume that is a book of the island’s laws, written by someone long long ago, and they’re hoping John is the second coming of the book’s author (perhaps Jacob?).

    This goes along with Hammer’s comment #66, about John and Jacob being one and the same. And this is similar to what I was taught, growing up Catholic – Jesus was the son of God, but Jesus and God are one being.

    So the Lost version is that Jacob is a God-like figure, only making himself visible to those he wants to be visible to. And Jacob uses Christian to transmit messages to the people on the island, just like God used angels to transmit his messages to the people on earth. After decades or even centuries of waiting for the son of Jacob to come to earth, it has finally happened, in the form of John Locke. If Locke and Jacob are one and the same, that book of Laws belongs to Locke.[/quote]
    ********************************

    Agreed! Alpert asked 10+/- yr old John, “which one BELONGS to you John?”, hoping he would pick Book of Laws.
    He also said John “already” owns it.

    Other Observations:
    The Capt told Sayid to take a 305 degree bearing – the same bearing Daniel told Frank to take when they left the Island with Des.
    To get back TO the Island from the freighter along the same “path”, the bearing would have to be 125 degrees (opposite direction). I’ll presume the writers just wanted to make the bearing recognizable to the “casual” viewers.

    Meathead (89)
    You’re either addicted or NOT addicted.
    Perhaps “casual” viewers should just watch American Idol reruns!

    CS – actually dead as we know it ?
    alive ?
    immortal ?
    a ghost ?
    reincarnated ?
    * Remember, Jack found his EMPTY coffin.
    * Is Jacob actually Christian ?

    In Locke’s dream sequence where he saw Horace Goodspeed, Horace seemed to be appearing and re-appearing (introduced himself a couple times) sort of like a vision that took a few attempts before coming into focus. (clever)

    Horace told Locke he had been dead for 12 years, which sets the purge in 1992 assuming this scene is late 2004 (90+ days on Island).

    Claire’s status ? Is she actually dead ?

    When CS told John he had to “move the Island” to save it, did he also tell him HOW ?

    Is there a way to restore the Swan Station ?
    Will he be headed toward some other “magic switch” that will vault the Island into another time dimension ?
    Any theories on HOW he is gonna’ make it disappear again ?

    If Aaron is supposed to be the next “chosen one”, then why would they let him get away ?
    (unless of course, CS/Claire just wanted him to escape the present danger knowing they can always bring him back).

    Hope Jack doesn’t lead all the “Beachcombers” to Keamy (he thinks the dropped receiver is for them to FOLLOW the signal, not avoid it).

    Ben & Locke as 1/2 brotha’s ? Might have to think about it some more.
    Locke’s HS “Guidance Couselor” wanted him to consider Mittelos Science Camp in Portland – the presumption being Portland was fairly close to his HS
    Ben’s mother Emily dying on way to hospital within 32 miles of Portland
    Ben’s mother Emily having childbirth difficulty after previously having Locke as a “premie” when hit by car
    BUT, come to think of it: I don’t remember ANY resemblance between the teenage Emily Locke and the Emily Linus lying in the woods having Ben.
    Can anyone prove the 2 Emilys are the SAME person ?

    Guess I thought it out in words and now I say Ben & Locke are NOT 1/2 brotha’s

  185. lostmama says:

    [/quote]

    I don’t think Abbadon is a double agent. I think he is 100% Widmore man.

    Here is my take on it. John was born special. He is supposed to be the man of science and reason (science camp, book) not a warrior (picking the knife, wanting to be a jock). But John wants to be the warrior and insists on not wanting to be a man of reason/ science. That is why Alpert is frustrated with him, and why Abaddon is trying to recruit him. It’s all kind of Star Wars theme- both the dark side and the light side trying to recruit him.
    Now that he has chosen not to murder (his dad), he has in essence chosen the light side. Thus he has finaly arrived (in a spiritual sense) on the Island of his destiny.[/quote]

    OK no clue if I quoted right (never done it one here) but I am so on the same page as you with this one, esp. with the whole badgammon dark side/light side stuff.

  186. Jocco says:

    Whether Ben and Locke are brothers or not is not important. How they were conceived is extremely important and possibly related to some other island mysteries. There was a major clue last night, and although I haven’t formulated a complete theory yet, I’m on my way.

    Names, obviously, are the major clues behind the show. Horace Goodspeed is a big one. Horace is a homonym for Horus, Egyptian God of the sun and the sky. In addition, Horus was conceived when his mother Isis fashioned a phallus of gold and used it to impregnate himself. I don’t think that it’s much of a stretch to tie this myth to the story of the island–ancient civillization and something weird with having babies.
    Comments?

  187. dukewm says:

    [quote comment="219466"]Not sure if anyone mentioned this, but didnt Abaddon say to Locke something about surviving with only a knife on the walkabout? If I heard that correctly, it’d be another interesting thing about Locke choosing the knife and compass when he was young.[/quote]
    **************************

    He said “only a knife and your wits”

    and John chose only the knife.

    then Alpert left telling John’s grandmother? that John wasn’t ready for his “school”

  188. adriennez says:

    I thought it was interesting last week when Rose pointed out to Bernard that Jack had gotten sick on the island(appendicitis) and that people get better on the island, like herself with her cancer…so what was wrong with Jack?…or something to that effect.

    In last night’s episode, Ben is telling Locke that his own time for being special is over, pointing out that the island let him get sick(his spinal tumor)and that it let his daughter be killed.

    It seemed like the writers were really trying to point something out there…although with Ben I always feel like he is being manipulating, especially with Locke.

    When Locke tried to get Hurley to leave them but he wanted to stay, Ben tried to acknowledge Locke’s manipulation and Locke said that he is not like him…did Locke really need Hurley there? Maybe only the last person or people who saw the cabin can find it the next time…

  189. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="219476"][quote comment="219459"]
    (i know we were all thinking Locke was gonna get pushed down those stairs)
    [/quote]
    Yes! And part of the reason I thought that would happen is that in the HBO show “Oz”, there was a scene where Lance Reddick’s character pushed a wheelchair-bound character (played by Harold Parrineau) down a set of stairs. I wonder if they shot last night’s scene in that manner, as a sort of shout-out to “Oz”.[/quote]
    ————
    I was thinking exactly the same thing when watching that scene. Lance Reddick rules. He was also good as Lt. Daniels in the Wire.
    Has it been proven that he actually works for Widmore? He told Locke a miracle happened to him also. I wonder what that was? More Reddick next season = good TV.

  190. Miraks says:

    [quote comment="219516"][quote comment="219466"]Not sure if anyone mentioned this, but didnt Abaddon say to Locke something about surviving with only a knife on the walkabout? If I heard that correctly, it’d be another interesting thing about Locke choosing the knife and compass when he was young.[/quote]
    **************************

    He said “only a knife and your wits”

    and John chose only the knife.

    then Alpert left telling John’s grandmother? that John wasn’t ready for his “school”[/quote]
    ________________

    I think that goes back to my above theory of John fighting his role as a man of reason and wanting to be a man of war instead. He chose the knife and rejected the camp because he wants to be the superman hero, not the cerebral hero. When Abaddon tells him to go with only a knife, he is trying to “push” John towards the dark-side.

  191. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="219501"]
    I have a hard time believing that Cooper is really Locke’s biological father…when Emily Locke as a teenager was going to go out, when she told Mrs. Locke that she is in love, Mrs. Locke said “but he is twice your age”…that means about 32. When she saw Richard Alpert in the hospital Mrs. Locke had a strange look on her face…is that because he was the boyfriend or she knew who he was and had some history with him…maybe she and Emily are from the island.[/quote]
    I don’t think Mrs. Locke ment the father was literally “twice your age”, I think it was just an exaggeration meant to convey her disapproval of the relationship. Based on what we’ve been told already on this show, Emily was born in October 1940, and John Locke was born in May 1956. (As a side note, the song at the beginning of the episode, Buddy Holly’s song “Everyday”, was actually recorded in 1957 – production error, or more evidence of time travel??!!). The father could very well have been 25 years old in May 1956, which would make him 73 at the time of the crash of OA815, which seems about right for the age of Cooper.

  192. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="219497"]Eric
    Comment 546, posted 12 months ago – Quote and reply
    desmondo wrote:

    Brandon wrote:

    Go to losteastereggs.blogspot.com/20… check out the frames with Jacob. Really looks like Desmond.

    Actually, it looks like Terry O’Quinn (aka John Locke) with a wig on. If I had to bet, I would say that the man Locke saw was himself.

    I’ve posted for weeks that I think Locke = Jacob. Clearly the writers are fiction/horror fans (King is everywhere). Clive Barker is his contemporary, and Imajica, his opus, centers on a character who is a savior, a “great man” who had an “immaculate” birth. This man lived for centuries, doesn’t know it (through the first 500 pages of the book), travels between dimensions and has time/space “visions.”

    Locke saw a reflection of himself in that chair. Nate (and others) have done a good job with the stills to demonstrate this is plausible. Locke is not only Jacob, but he, like Imajica’s savior, has lived many lives that he has for some reason forgotten. This makes him possibly Hanso too, and his return to the island in present day on flight 815 a homecoming of sorts.

    The flashlight, when engaged, caused a small but significant electromagnetic surge, throwing the room into disarray.

    Imajica, in the end, is about one word, Reconciliation. Isn’t that what Locke’s “path” is about? Desmonds? All others who are “Lost?”[/quote]

    Eric, this isn’t to shoot down your theory that Locke=Jacob, as it think at this point it is quite likely….but Terry O’Quinn wasn’t in that scene:

    “Jacob was portrayed by prop master Rob Kyker for the filming of this particular episode. Kyker is the property master for the production crew. It isn’t unheard-of for production staff to play small background roles; examples Archie Ahuna and Michael Gilday.”

  193. stalepretzel says:

    To all the people who are talking about whether Locke is in foster care:
    We already know he is. In the episode where there’s a FB and he’s talking to a woman about disability payment, he says he grew up in foster care.

  194. Lins says:

    1. So do you think the two guys at the end of S2 in Antarctica (or wherever they were) were monitoring “island moves”? Maybe the fail safe key moved the island? And Widmore had them monitoring that to know when it moved and they were supposed to alert someone (Penny…hmmm) when it moved?

    2. Didn’t Locke tell his mother after she found him in the toy store that he had been raised in foster care? I think they lady that got mad at him and told him to be on his “best behavior” was a foster mother.

  195. Eric says:

    Yes, the guidance counselor speech about some people being the quarterback and some being a superhero, a comment on destiny. And Locke choosing the knife, the contrast with free will.

    Someone posted earlier that the material in the glass container could be ashes. I like that. Jacob’s ashes.

  196. dukewm says:

    Sayid left the ship on the correct bearing BEFORE Keamy slit the Doc’s throat and hasn’t arrived on the Island yet.

    Apparently, he is stuck in the time-warp like the rocket.

    Question is: HOW did the Doc get there in normal time ? and why can’t anybody else do the same ?
    Do you have to be dead to travel to the Island in “normal time” ?

  197. lostmama says:

    so where IS Jacob then? off time traveling? anyone have any ideas besides locke=jacob?

  198. Ia Bolz says:

    “lost” is a story about opposites opposing each other:
    Good vs. Evil, Dark vs. Light, Science vs. Faith. The ying and yang of life. And yet, opposites also attract
    each other: Kate attracted to Sawyer, Jack attracted to
    Kate, Ben attracted to Locke, Widemore attracted to Ben. And we all have the potential to be both: good and bad, passive and aggressive, self-less and self-centered. The demons and gods within us all are constantly at odds with each other. But ultimately, it comes down to this: good choices equals good outcome…bad choices equals bad outcome (the Law of Kharma).

  199. Tasker says:

    [quote comment="219262"]Did anyone else notice that the comic book was in the same series as the one that Walt had with the polar bears in it?[/quote]

    They are different series actually:
    “Special” – http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Comic_Book
    “Cabin Fever” – http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Mystery_Tales_%28comic%29

  200. Eric says:

    Thanks Hammer. When I wrote that originally, we didn’t have the info on the production staff member’s portrayal of “the eye.”

    And I definitely could be wrong, though I like the idea of it, and the power such a thing carries from a Destiny/free will perspective.

  201. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="219534"]Sayid left the ship on the correct bearing BEFORE Keamy slit the Doc’s throat and hasn’t arrived on the Island yet.

    Apparently, he is stuck in the time-warp like the rocket.

    Question is: HOW did the Doc get there in normal time ? and why can’t anybody else do the same ?
    Do you have to be dead to travel to the Island in “normal time” ?[/quote]
    ++++++++++++
    I know I’m sounding like a broken record, but I really like DocH’s comments about the time sync as an explanation for this. Because the time differences are inconsistent, it seems very viable that as it is syncronizing there would be some descrepancies.

  202. Eric says:

    Lostmama,

    My other thought is that if Locke’s not Jacob, then he’s his son. Those ashes would belong to him, right?

  203. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="219542"]Lostmama,

    My other thought is that if Locke’s not Jacob, then he’s his son. Those ashes would belong to him, right?[/quote]
    ————
    In the bible Jacob had 12 sons I believe, the youngest of his sons was named Benjamin.

  204. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="219538"][quote comment="219262"]Did anyone else notice that the comic book was in the same series as the one that Walt had with the polar bears in it?[/quote]

    They are different series actually:
    “Special” – http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Comic_Book
    “Cabin Fever” – http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Mystery_Tales_%28comic%29%5B/quote%5D
    _________________________
    Uh, post #150?

  205. ninny says:

    Did anyone notice the “new protocol book” had a dharma logo on it? So I think I have to agree with whoever said that Ben stole the island from Widmore. Widmore was in charge of/ owned Dharma.

    Still confused about the 12 year dead issue.
    Maybe when Alex was stolen she was actually stolen by Alpert’s group and kept at the “temple” until the purge.

    Did anyone notice that Ben’s face seemed to get better the closer they got to the cabin – or was it just my imagination. I have only watched it once.

    best Hurley Line “Guys…….Cabin”

  206. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="219534"]Sayid left the ship on the correct bearing BEFORE Keamy slit the Doc’s throat and hasn’t arrived on the Island yet.

    Apparently, he is stuck in the time-warp like the rocket.

    Question is: HOW did the Doc get there in normal time ? and why can’t anybody else do the same ?
    Do you have to be dead to travel to the Island in “normal time” ?[/quote]
    ___________________________
    Wait – what? The doc washed ahore before he was killed on the boat — how do you get “normal time” out of that? Uhhhh, post #160?

  207. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="219549"]Did anyone notice the “new protocol book” had a dharma logo on it? So I think I have to agree with whoever said that Ben stole the island from Widmore. Widmore was in charge of/ owned Dharma.

    Still confused about the 12 year dead issue.
    Maybe when Alex was stolen she was actually stolen by Alpert’s group and kept at the “temple” until the purge.

    Did anyone notice that Ben’s face seemed to get better the closer they got to the cabin – or was it just my imagination. I have only watched it once.

    best Hurley Line “Guys…….Cabin”[/quote]

    It quite apparent that Ben and his group took control of the island from DHARMA/Widmore, the question remains…who REALLY had it first. Four toed folks? Jacob? Widmore? Did DHARMA/Widmore steal it?

  208. Missy says:

    Great ideas- here are the things I’ve been pondering since last night:

    • How is Emily lock 6 mos preggers and not showing in the least? Did you see her waist – it was tiny!
    • The cover of the comic book Alpert has reminds me of the Lost cover with the two cities – one above the other.
    • Claire did not look like Claire – her facial expressions and body language – what are we to conclude about that?
    • What is strapped to Keemy’s arm? A remote detonator? What good is moving the island going to do once the heli lands full of ammo? And what is Lapidus thinking for taking them? They’d just kill him when their done with him at the end of the mission? And where did this “secondary protocol” come from? With the Orchid logo on the cover!
    • Are we ever going to see Charlie’s ring? We got a shot of Aaron’s crib where it is for a brief second last night.
    • When does John acquire a jar of sand? Does he end up leaving the island but taking some of it with him to help him find it later on?
    • Clearly, Lapidus is trying to help the Losties by dropping his phone – but how could he NOT think that they’ll head right for them with it?
    • What happened to Sayid? Is he going to arrive to an empty beach when everyone tries to leave for where the chopper landed?
    • And lastly, where was the chopper headed – Keemy said where Ben would be going to be safe – where is that – the temple?

    Keep the ideas coming!

  209. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="219551"][quote comment="219534"]Sayid left the ship on the correct bearing BEFORE Keamy slit the Doc’s throat and hasn’t arrived on the Island yet.

    Apparently, he is stuck in the time-warp like the rocket.

    Question is: HOW did the Doc get there in normal time ? and why can’t anybody else do the same ?
    Do you have to be dead to travel to the Island in “normal time” ?[/quote]
    ___________________________
    Wait – what? The doc washed ahore before he was killed on the boat — how do you get “normal time” out of that? Uhhhh, post #160?[/quote]

    ++++++++++++
    If it’s only about the bearing…your thoughts on how one of the assualt team guys got Dan’s morse code message about the dead Dr. before the dead Dr. died?

  210. sector7 says:

    There were at least 3 references to time loops (that is, time repeating on itself) in this episode.
    1. Horace nosebleed & intoducing himself twice.
    2. Alpert suggesting John already possessed one or more of the items.
    3. Keamy saying Widmore knows where Ben will go.

    There have been many theories on this blog that have suggested things such as “this has happened before and is happening again”. Defeinitely seems they are pointing us in this direction, no?

  211. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="219555"]There were at least 3 references to time loops (that is, time repeating on itself) in this episode.
    1. Horace nosebleed & intoducing himself twice.
    2. Alpert suggesting John already possessed one or more of the items.
    3. Keamy saying Widmore knows where Ben will go.

    There have been many theories on this blog that have suggested things such as “this has happened before and is happening again”. Defeinitely seems they are pointing us in this direction, no?[/quote]
    ++++++++++++++
    I like it, add (now I sound like a time loop) DocH’s comment about time sync and the turning of the key stopping the island time (or many loops for that matter)?

  212. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="219554"][quote comment="219551"][quote comment="219534"]Sayid left the ship on the correct bearing BEFORE Keamy slit the Doc’s throat and hasn’t arrived on the Island yet.

    Apparently, he is stuck in the time-warp like the rocket.

    Question is: HOW did the Doc get there in normal time ? and why can’t anybody else do the same ?
    Do you have to be dead to travel to the Island in “normal time” ?[/quote]
    ___________________________
    Wait – what? The doc washed ahore before he was killed on the boat — how do you get “normal time” out of that? Uhhhh, post #160?[/quote]

    ++++++++++++
    If it’s only about the bearing…your thoughts on how one of the assualt team guys got Dan’s morse code message about the dead Dr. before the dead Dr. died?[/quote]
    ___________________
    Stated in post 160: “Apparently, the bearing you approach at can mean you arrive early, late, or not at all.” This must be for going in or going out. Electromagnetic signals travel a path/bearing as well.

  213. Miraks says:

    [quote comment="219553"]Great ideas- here are the things I’ve been pondering since last night:

    • How is Emily lock 6 mos preggers and not showing in the least? Did you see her waist – it was tiny!
    [/quote]

    Well, she does go into labor at six months- that would be the end of second tri-mester, or the time at which island pregnancies end. Hmmm?

  214. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="219551"][quote comment="219534"]Sayid left the ship on the correct bearing BEFORE Keamy slit the Doc’s throat and hasn’t arrived on the Island yet.

    Apparently, he is stuck in the time-warp like the rocket.

    Question is: HOW did the Doc get there in normal time ? and why can’t anybody else do the same ?
    Do you have to be dead to travel to the Island in “normal time” ?[/quote]
    ___________________________
    Wait – what? The doc washed ahore before he was killed on the boat — how do you get “normal time” out of that? Uhhhh, post #160?[/quote]
    —————
    Sector 7 you are on to something. It would probably be a good idea if we ALL followed the rule listed below.
    Especially rule #1
    Read all comments before commenting. If something has already been said, there is no need to say it again

  215. avalanche says:

    i don’t think there is any question about who john’s father is–he did give him a kidney. wouldn’t have come up that they weren’t related even if it was a viable match?

  216. Miraks says:

    Another thought. If Locke moves the island, could he possibly move it into a colder climate? Thus explaining why Ben was wearing a winter jacket in his ff? And if the island has been moved before, could that explain the polar bear?

  217. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="219557"]
    Stated in post 160: “Apparently, the bearing you approach at can mean you arrive early, late, or not at all.” This must be for going in or going out. Electromagnetic signals travel a path/bearing as well.[/quote]
    ++++++++++
    Got it.

  218. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="219562"]Another thought. If Locke moves the island, could he possibly move it into a colder climate? Thus explaining why Ben was wearing a winter jacket in his ff? And if the island has been moved before, could that explain the polar bear?[/quote]
    ++++++++++++++++++
    Good thought.

  219. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="219555"]
    There have been many theories on this blog that have suggested things such as “this has happened before and is happening again”. Defeinitely seems they are pointing us in this direction, no?[/quote]
    Kind of “Matrix” like.

  220. Renato says:

    Just clicked…

    The book of laws Richard shows Locke, could be the “Rules” that ben spoke of when Keamy killed Alex…

  221. Bobola says:

    [quote comment="219271"]What a crummy episode. I’ve been quite patient with other episodes that make more questions, but this one takes the cake.

    They’re turning away casual viewers by episodes like these.[/quote]

    But the majority of us LOST fans seem to think it was a great episode Meathead and I agree;

    This is a bit off topic but I think interesting;
    the actress playing Juliet was in a movie playing a child predator in “Running Scared” (2006). She was in a very creepy sequence in that film.

    Also caught actor Naveen Andrews (plays Sayid) in the old film “Mighty Joe Young” (1998). His part was a real cliche in the film. Glad to see he’s getting a meatier role in LOST.

    Why did Johns mother want to abandon him and run out of the hospital? She went from telling her own mother she can’t stop her (from hooking up with some older guy to an about face.
    And the Mother smoking a cigarette in Intensive Care? WTF? What sort of Bitch from Hell is she? Locke sure has some nasty DNA in his blood. But why didn’t they show who the father is? Unless it was Albert…that was not clear to me.

    Liked the exchange between the Pilot and Michael; about why Michael didn’t trust him when he was the one on the SHIP that was saying the plane they “found” on the ocean bottom was a fake. Michael just seems to be an idiot all the way around.

    Why is Alpert always wearing eyeliner?

    I love the villains; especially the scary mercenary dude with the armband device; what is that? Must be some device that monitors his pulse and if it stops then it explodes…but it can’t have too much plastic explosive in it as it’s not very big allowing for the electronic parts in it. I would guess enough to blow him up and a few people around him. Since they show it several times you gotta know that it will go off at some point.
    The SHIP Captain was sure a fool to take his eyes off Joe Mercenary for even a moment.

    My fantasy scene; Mercenary dude meets up in the jungle with Patchy, who survived the underwater blast (plausible), and they go mano a mano—with the armband device going off when Patchy kills him. But you just know that his little device is gonna backfire on him somehow.

    Possible Spoiler?;
    The preview shows Sayid with the raft about to land on the beach so he DOES get there before the island moves.

    Loved the young High School Locke; puts him in a whole new light. So he was on his way to being an educated scientist but ran from it because he hated being a nerd in school? Very creative of the writers to add this complexity!

    Looking at the trees felled to make the cabin;
    that is one crummy cabin if made from those poor trees. I noticed in this episode that it looked pretty flimsy when John got inside. Why would such a powerful entity like Jacob not take up residence in the of the Dharma bunkers? His powers must be limited as he needs Ben or John to do his bidding.
    Maybe Smokey goes under the island and picks it up and moves it? Ben seemed to have some power to summon Smokey.

    I don’t mind so much if Charlie is still showing up as long as he does not sing and play that awful Ovation guitar anymore. Those guitars are terrible but I guess since they are half plastic better suited to surviving on a tropical island. Who got the guitar? Mercenary Dude would probably rip the string off and use them to strangle someone and use them to strangle someone while singing “while my guitar gently weeps”.

    I agree with another poster; the candy bar scene was priceless.

  222. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="219521"][quote comment="219501"]
    I have a hard time believing that Cooper is really Locke’s biological father…when Emily Locke as a teenager was going to go out, when she told Mrs. Locke that she is in love, Mrs. Locke said “but he is twice your age”…that means about 32. When she saw Richard Alpert in the hospital Mrs. Locke had a strange look on her face…is that because he was the boyfriend or she knew who he was and had some history with him…maybe she and Emily are from the island.[/quote]
    I don’t think Mrs. Locke ment the father was literally “twice your age”, I think it was just an exaggeration meant to convey her disapproval of the relationship. Based on what we’ve been told already on this show, Emily was born in October 1940, and John Locke was born in May 1956. (As a side note, the song at the beginning of the episode, Buddy Holly’s song “Everyday”, was actually recorded in 1957 – production error, or more evidence of time travel??!!). The father could very well have been 25 years old in May 1956, which would make him 73 at the time of the crash of OA815, which seems about right for the age of Cooper.[/quote]
    —————-
    The nurse looked at Emily’s mom and asked “Is that the father?” Emily’s mom replied “I, uh…I don’t know who that is.” So looked puzzled IMO.

    Im glad you brought up that song “Everyday”. I think it was a perfect reference for them to explain the time discrepencies and where the timeline is headed.

    Everyday, it’s a gettin’ closer,
    Goin’ faster than a roller coaster,
    Love like yours will
    surely come my way,

    Everyday, it’s a gettin’ faster,
    Everyone says
    go ahead and ask her,
    Love like yours will surely come my way,

    Everyday seems a little longer,
    Every way, love’s a little stronger,
    Come
    what may, do you ever long for
    True love from me?

  223. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="219575"]
    The preview shows…
    [/quote]
    Without rules there is anarchy.

  224. tasha says:

    Let’s say Anothony Cooper IS Locke’s dad…he wouldn’t have just been dating that girl for the heck of it. We have seen that he always was trying to Con someone. Sleeping with Sawyer’s mom and the lady he married when he pushed Locke out a window. Do you think we should think more into why he was conning this young girl or it may not be even matter? Is there something about her or her family we will find out later? Did they ever say what the last name was? Maybe she is Whidmore’s sister or something?

  225. lost4ever says:

    Hugo has a theory on why they can see the Cabin? Hilarious. “We can see it because we’re the craziest.”
    Later Locke tells Hugo “we have to make a PIT stop first.” Dead Dharma Pit.

  226. Jim says:

    Benjamin was a son of Jacob, but he was the last, not the first, and mother Rachel died giving birth.

    Ben took the island from Widmore, Widmore took it from Jacob? Did Jacob (hebrew “the supplanter”) take it from someone else? Sorry but I can’t help getting caught up with the biblical names: Jacob, Ben, John, Aaron, Michael, Adam, Eve, and of course, Christian Shepherd.

    On a completely different note regarding the dead people: are they really dead? Of the people that we have seen die (Shannon, Boone, Arnst, Analucia, Libby, Cooper) none of them have returned. Then others have returned in either dreams (Eko’s bro and Horus) or in Hurley’s mind (Charlie). Did we see Christian die? Or just his empty coffin?

  227. Wheels says:

    I don’t understand about the doctor. His body washed up onshore, then the survivors ask the people on the freighter about it, then Kimi kills the doctor? That timeline is totally backwards.

  228. Tasker says:

    Found this:

    The Torah argues that Benjamin’s name arose when Jacob deliberately corrupted the name Benoni, the original name of Benjamin, since Benoni was an allusion to Rachel dying just after she had given birth, as it means son of my pain.

  229. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="219584"]Benjamin was a son of Jacob, but he was the last, not the first, and mother Rachel died giving birth.
    [/quote]
    Post 203

  230. jaime says:

    a few things in my head…

    1.When Alpert says to John..”pick which of these things ALREADY belong to you” …what is this already business? It’s as though they are able to be in the past, present, and future at the same time.

    2. Is Ben living the life/following the path that was origianlly intended for Locke?

    3. Who preceded Ben in leadership? He says “I didn’t order the purge”

    4. For some reason when John was in the DI death pit, I though it looked like the bodies coupld be covering up another hactch. Possibly the Orchid.

    5. So so far Alpert and Horace have both been an influence in John and Ben’s lives.

  231. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="219594"]
    3. Who preceded Ben in leadership? He says “I didn’t order the purge”
    [/quote]
    BEN: They did wipe them out, Hugo, but it wasn’t my decision.
    HURLEY: Then whose was it?
    BEN: Their leaders.
    HURLEY:But I thought you were their leader.
    BEN: Not always.
    I thought that implied that there are and maybe always have been more than one person in charge. Maybe a sort of council. JMO

  232. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="219552"]
    It quite apparent that Ben and his group took control of the island from DHARMA/Widmore, the question remains…who REALLY had it first. Four toed folks? Jacob? Widmore? Did DHARMA/Widmore steal it?[/quote]
    Comment 133 and who is next after Locke? The obvious answer is Aaron, but what about Walt?

  233. DocH says:

    A quickie for me. I’ve read the ENTIRE POST three times now and have a list a mile long. But I want to mention the “baseball glove” that young John was presented with by Alpert the Inquistor, and that none of us has explored. Thinking back, my initial impression was that if Locke chooses that, he is accepting a life of sports, an ambulatory life where his legs work! Then I thought… “Field of Dreams”… If you build it (cabin), he (Jacob)will come. Just a random thought – no theory here. Back in a few hours with more.

  234. Missy says:

    [quote comment="219558"][quote comment="219553"]Great ideas- here are the things I’ve been pondering since last night:

    • How is Emily lock 6 mos preggers and not showing in the least? Did you see her waist – it was tiny!
    [/quote]

    Well, she does go into labor at six months- that would be the end of second tri-mester, or the time at which island pregnancies end. Hmmm?[/quote]
    ___
    SNAP – I didn’t even think of that! I just thought she looked ver UN-pregnant – but good connection.

  235. tasha says:

    So Ben and Locke are both preemies with moms named Emily and whose moms didn’t raise them.

  236. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="219599"] I’ve read the ENTIRE POST three times now and have a list a mile long. [/quote]
    Now DocH is making lists. We are all in trouble. :) Is it a “list” like Jacob’s? Dont hit us with it too fast Doc, if it is a mile long.

  237. Jocco says:

    The idea of a council is a good one. No one has mentioned “the sheriff” from last season in awhile. Maybe the leader of the others is an elected position, but there are only certain “special” people that can be chosen.

  238. Missy says:

    [quote comment="219583"]Hugo has a theory on why they can see the Cabin? Hilarious. “We can see it because we’re the craziest.”
    Later Locke tells Hugo “we have to make a PIT stop first.” Dead Dharma Pit.[/quote]
    _____
    Random thought – If the island makes the people “better” – and has made John well, and made Rose well – could it be true that it made Hurley “well” – maybe Hurley was crazy, but being on the island has given him clarity; hence when he gets off the island he looses it again. Not sure if I believe it – but it crossed my mind in that scene.

  239. Renato says:

    Heres another thought…

    At the beginning, Emily Locke’s Mother states “He is twice your age” but does not specify who “He” is and then we spot Alpert outside the natal area…Could it be Locke really was immaculatley conceived, Alpert was part of it and he was “He” that Emily Lockes mom was referring to…Cause Alpert did look twice her age and Emilys Mom looked a little scared when she seen Alpert…I know everyone thinks Cooper is Lockes real father but he also is a con-man and could just have been a match to Locke’s blood type…How else could Alpert know how to find ben at the early age…JMO

  240. Renato says:

    Find John***

  241. Renato says:

    Find John*

  242. Renato says:

    Its Not Working!!!!

    I meant Find John!!!

  243. Missy says:

    [quote comment="219584"]Benjamin was a son of Jacob, but he was the last, not the first, and mother Rachel died giving birth.

    Ben took the island from Widmore, Widmore took it from Jacob? Did Jacob (hebrew “the supplanter”) take it from someone else? Sorry but I can’t help getting caught up with the biblical names: Jacob, Ben, John, Aaron, Michael, Adam, Eve, and of course, Christian Shepherd.

    On a completely different note regarding the dead people: are they really dead? Of the people that we have seen die (Shannon, Boone, Arnst, Analucia, Libby, Cooper) none of them have returned. Then others have returned in either dreams (Eko’s bro and Horus) or in Hurley’s mind (Charlie). Did we see Christian die? Or just his empty coffin?[/quote]
    _____
    I’ve still been hung up on why Karl and Danielle were buried. They couldn’t have cared enough to bury the people they murdered – and they were on their way to the barracks. Is there some reason why they were buried? Is there a difference in being dead and buried and being dead and not buried – ie – the open dharma pit? sailing a body off on a raft?

  244. Missy says:

    [quote comment="219594"]a few things in my head…

    1.When Alpert says to John..”pick which of these things ALREADY belong to you” …what is this already business? It’s as though they are able to be in the past, present, and future at the same time.

    2. Is Ben living the life/following the path that was origianlly intended for Locke?

    3. Who preceded Ben in leadership? He says “I didn’t order the purge”

    4. For some reason when John was in the DI death pit, I though it looked like the bodies coupld be covering up another hactch. Possibly the Orchid.

    5. So so far Alpert and Horace have both been an influence in John and Ben’s lives.[/quote]
    ____
    Brilliant idea on the death pit! I love that idea! I thought Ben was alluding to the thought that Jacob ordered the purge. The test Alpert gave to kid Locke reminded me of the test that Faraday was trying to do with the cards.

  245. Missy says:

    [quote comment="219605"]Heres another thought…

    At the beginning, Emily Locke’s Mother states “He is twice your age” but does not specify who “He” is and then we spot Alpert outside the natal area…Could it be Locke really was immaculatley conceived, Alpert was part of it and he was “He” that Emily Lockes mom was referring to…Cause Alpert did look twice her age and Emilys Mom looked a little scared when she seen Alpert…I know everyone thinks Cooper is Lockes real father but he also is a con-man and could just have been a match to Locke’s blood type…How else could Alpert know how to find ben at the early age…JMO[/quote]
    ____
    I’ll have to rewatch that scene – when I first saw it I thought that Emily’s mother said something about adoption and lit a cigarette – then they showed Alpert – I thought he was going to adopt baby Locke.

  246. Jim says:

    Sorry ’bout that, lost4ever. The youngest child would have been born last. I was having a ‘Hurley’ moment and misread your post.

    Could that mean that there have been eleven children (caretakers so to speak) before Ben, all descendents of Adam and Eve from the cave?
    ——
    I’m also still stuck on why they needed Hurley to find the cabin. He was clueles, John had the dream, and Horace’s body had a map showing exactly where the cabin would be. So did the cabin move? Did the map change? Why is this thing so hard to find if a 12 year old map is accurate? I’m confused.

  247. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="219613"] I thought Ben was alluding to the thought that Jacob ordered the purge. [/quote]
    He said “they”, implying more than one.

  248. Lins says:

    [quote comment="219584"]
    Ben took the island from Widmore, Widmore took it from Jacob? Did Jacob (hebrew “the supplanter”) take it from someone else? quote]

    Jacob (Biblical Jacob) took his older brother’s inheritence and his birth right from their father. His name also means “deceiver”. So basically, he took something that didn’t belong to him and then disappeared to another land to hide from his brother’s wrath.

    Could be possible connections here – Widmore says (in The Shape of Things to Come) that everything Ben has he took from him…does that mean they are brothers? Who knows. Didn’t we hear somewhere that there is a British Widmore family and an American Widmore family? If they are related…would that make Ben = Jacob? I really don’t believe that, but when you put it in this context it makes more sense.

  249. Lins says:

    Wow, really messed up the posting on that one…sorry!

  250. Lins says:

    Wow, really messed up the post there…sorry!

  251. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="219584"]Did we see Christian die? Or just his empty coffin?[/quote]
    I believe there was a scene in season 1 where Jack went to the morgue to identify Christian, and in that scene we saw his dead body.

  252. Jacquelyn Chappel says:

    [quote comment="219460"][quote comment="219448"]Wasn’t the knife Alpert presented to young Locke the same one Ben offers him to kill his dad on the island?[/quote]

    Definitely NOT. Just watched “The Brig”. The knife Ben gives John to kill his dad has a hilt and the blade is shaped diferently. Last night’s ep knife has no hilt and is smaller.[/quote]

    I think Locke’s knife represents the person he always wanted to be–the warrior, the hero who saves the day. All his life he has struggled to be this person. In highschool, he was a geek, and his teachers tried to get him to go to science camp because presumably he was “a man of science”, but he rejected his teachers’ ideas of who they wanted him to be. He had faith in himself and in this way became “a man of faith”.

    The knife that Alpert shows to young Locke represents the hero side of himself and when he picks it, Alpert says he has not yet comes to terms with who he is, that he’s not yet ready. Alpert doesn’t believe that it’s his destiny to be a hero even though childhood Locke seems pretty sure that the knife’s for him–overlooking the comic book which most boys his age would choose. Teenage Locke is encouraged to go to science camp and the teacher tells him it’s just who he is and he can’t change it, but Locke denies this.

    Fate is “a fickle bitch” Ben says suggesting that there is free will. We can change our future and our destiny. Locke changes his future by becoming the man who saves the day.
    He tries to go on the Australian walkabout even though he can’t walk and the island helps him to be the man who saves the day when he regains use of his legs on it.

    I like the idea that Locke might be using the knife to kill his father. The question is who is his father?

  253. Jacquelyn Chappel says:

    [quote comment="219490"]“Here is my take on it. John was born special. He is supposed to be the man of science and reason (science camp, book) not a warrior (picking the knife, wanting to be a jock). But John wants to be the warrior and insists on not wanting to be a man of reason/ science. That is why Alpert is frustrated with him, and why Abaddon is trying to recruit him. It’s all kind of Star Wars theme- both the dark side and the light side trying to recruit him.
    Now that he has chosen not to murder (his dad), he has in essence chosen the light side. Thus he has finaly arrived (in a spiritual sense) on the Island of his destiny.”

    Homerun.[/quote]
    But it wan’t his real father that he chose not to kill (himself); he was the con artist who played is father.

  254. NickG says:

    on the subject of “moving the island”… what if they have to “unstick” the island from time in order to move it?

    possibly using the orchid station to do so?

  255. Newbie says:

    If the Lapidus could drop the phone to the Losties to warn tem why couldn’t he have written a note that said exactly what Keemy was upto and dropped that with the phone???
    Maybe there weren’t any pens going around on the freighter???

  256. MiraKS says:

    [quote comment="219637"][quote comment="219490"]“Here is my take on it. John was born special. He is supposed to be the man of science and reason (science camp, book) not a warrior (picking the knife, wanting to be a jock). But John wants to be the warrior and insists on not wanting to be a man of reason/ science. That is why Alpert is frustrated with him, and why Abaddon is trying to recruit him. It’s all kind of Star Wars theme- both the dark side and the light side trying to recruit him.
    Now that he has chosen not to murder (his dad), he has in essence chosen the light side. Thus he has finaly arrived (in a spiritual sense) on the Island of his destiny.”

    Homerun.[/quote]
    But it wan’t his real father that he chose not to kill (himself); he was the con artist who played is father.[/quote]
    ___________________

    We don’t know that it wasn’t his real father. As someone pointed out above, he was the “right” age to be someone older than Emily Locke. He was a con man, so getting a young girl to “mess around” with while working a con in the area would not be out of character. After she had the baby (doubt anyone knew she was pregnant in the first place) he dumped her and took off. Hence her not wanting to have anything to do with the baby- she thought they would get married and live happily ever after because “he loved her”. He split, she turned away from the baby that -maybe in her mind- caused that split.

  257. i'dgetloswithsawyer says:

    Did anyone think that the merc who told the Doc about the morse code message looked oddly familiar, maybe from someone’s previous flashback? Seems as though everyone on this show has some connection to a Lostie from before OA815…just wondering outloud.

  258. Found says:

    I think that Alpert wears eyeliner because he was a Pirate from the Black Rock and that the eyeliner is a shout out to Capt. John Sparrow’s look…

  259. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="219636"][quote comment="219460"][quote comment="219448"]Wasn’t the knife Alpert presented to young Locke the same one Ben offers him to kill his dad on the island?[/quote]

    Definitely NOT. Just watched “The Brig”. The knife Ben gives John to kill his dad has a hilt and the blade is shaped diferently. Last night’s ep knife has no hilt and is smaller.[/quote]

    I think Locke’s knife represents the person he always wanted to be–the warrior, the hero who saves the day. All his life he has struggled to be this person. In highschool, he was a geek, and his teachers tried to get him to go to science camp because presumably he was “a man of science”, but he rejected his teachers’ ideas of who they wanted him to be. He had faith in himself and in this way became “a man of faith”.

    The knife that Alpert shows to young Locke represents the hero side of himself and when he picks it, Alpert says he has not yet comes to terms with who he is, that he’s not yet ready. Alpert doesn’t believe that it’s his destiny to be a hero even though childhood Locke seems pretty sure that the knife’s for him–overlooking the comic book which most boys his age would choose. Teenage Locke is encouraged to go to science camp and the teacher tells him it’s just who he is and he can’t change it, but Locke denies this.

    Fate is “a fickle bitch” Ben says suggesting that there is free will. We can change our future and our destiny. Locke changes his future by becoming the man who saves the day.
    He tries to go on the Australian walkabout even though he can’t walk and the island helps him to be the man who saves the day when he regains use of his legs on it.

    I like the idea that Locke might be using the knife to kill his father. The question is who is his father?[/quote]
    Nice theory. However, it is well known who John’s father is… Anthony Cooper, the man who conned him out of a kidney.

  260. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="219633"][quote comment="219584"]Did we see Christian die? Or just his empty coffin?[/quote]
    I believe there was a scene in season 1 where Jack went to the morgue to identify Christian, and in that scene we saw his dead body.[/quote]

    Confirmed.

  261. Kathy says:

    This just occurred to me…what if Sayid gets to the island only manages to get the Oceanic 6 in the boat and then the island disappears. That would explain a few things in the flash forwards…why Kate would be doing something for Sawyer etc.

  262. Kathy says:

    and by disappears I mean moves.

  263. sector7 says:

    C’mon guys, if Cooper was not John’s dad, why would he need to con HIM out of a kidney? Kidney transplant HAS to be from a family member. Look it up. Why have the story line of Sawyer killing Cooper/Sawyer if he was just some nobody? Nope, I don’t think so. Cooper IS John’s REAL dad.

  264. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="219616"]Sorry ’bout that, lost4ever. The youngest child would have been born last. I was having a ‘Hurley’ moment and misread your post.

    Could that mean that there have been eleven children (caretakers so to speak) before Ben, all descendents of Adam and Eve from the cave?
    ——
    I’m also still stuck on why they needed Hurley to find the cabin. He was clueles, John had the dream, and Horace’s body had a map showing exactly where the cabin would be. So did the cabin move? Did the map change? Why is this thing so hard to find if a 12 year old map is accurate? I’m confused.[/quote]

    _____________________
    Ultimately, Hugo found the cabin. John was talking to Ben when Hugo “found” it. My guess is that the cabin would not have been there had Hugo not been there to see it. Confused? Join the club.

  265. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="219585"]I don’t understand about the doctor. His body washed up onshore, then the survivors ask the people on the freighter about it, then Kimi kills the doctor? That timeline is totally backwards.[/quote]

    I don’t understand why you have not read my posts on this.

  266. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="219664"]This just occurred to me…what if Sayid gets to the island only manages to get the Oceanic 6 in the boat and then the island disappears. That would explain a few things in the flash forwards…why Kate would be doing something for Sawyer etc.[/quote]

    My gut tells me that everyone isn’t rescued on the little Zodiac raft. The end of the season usually includes Penny Widmore in some fashion. I have this vision of Penny showing up to the island with a futuristic submarine or something along those lines. Bet.

  267. DocH says:

    good comments on the “Bearing/Heading to/from the Island/Freighter”.

    However, I do not think that they screwed-up when they ‘repeated’ the 305 heading for the umpteenth time. They didn’t do it for the casual viewer because those types of LOST viewers don’t exist anymore (harder to find than Jacob). The real-world thing would be to say the reciprocal of 305 (125) degrees. I think they said what they said for a reason. You want to fly TO the island? Fly bearing 305… You want to fly FROM the island? Fly bearing 305… While the ‘island is moving’ may be the most likely answer to the ‘why always 305′ heading (think leap-frog in time here), I think the answer is more ‘circular’ in nature.

    If you walk/swim/fly in any straight, direction, you’d eventually return to the same spot on the planet. If you are stuck in an Electro Magnetic eddy (whirlpool) and try to maintain a constant MAGNETIC direction, you may only travel in a relatively small (100 mile diameter) circle, while keeping a 305 heading the entire time.

    Imagine standing on the face of a large clock at the 6 o’clock position. You want to travel to the 5 o’clock position, just behind you… but you have to go clockwise (A RULE), a much longer journey. You can see, touch, smell 5 o’clock, it’s right there. In fact, it just happened one hour ago, so you are pretty familiar with it. But the only way to get there is in the exact opposite direction, towards 7 o’clock. Our freighter is doing this. It is just that the island rarely flips over a new day compared to the outside. Good news though, the face of that large circumference clock is rapidly collapsing around the island and soon the journey to get back to a certain time is just seconds away.

  268. MiraKS says:

    [quote comment="219672"]good comments on the “Bearing/Heading to/from the Island/Freighter”.

    However, I do not think that they screwed-up when they ‘repeated’ the 305 heading for the umpteenth time. They didn’t do it for the casual viewer because those types of LOST viewers don’t exist anymore (harder to find than Jacob). The real-world thing would be to say the reciprocal of 305 (125) degrees. I think they said what they said for a reason. You want to fly TO the island? Fly bearing 305… You want to fly FROM the island? Fly bearing 305… While the ‘island is moving’ may be the most likely answer to the ‘why always 305′ heading (think leap-frog in time here), I think the answer is more ‘circular’ in nature.

    If you walk/swim/fly in any straight, direction, you’d eventually return to the same spot on the planet. If you are stuck in an Electro Magnetic eddy (whirlpool) and try to maintain a constant MAGNETIC direction, you may only travel in a relatively small (100 mile diameter) circle, while keeping a 305 heading the entire time.

    Imagine standing on the face of a large clock at the 6 o’clock position. You want to travel to the 5 o’clock position, just behind you… but you have to go clockwise (A RULE), a much longer journey. You can see, touch, smell 5 o’clock, it’s right there. In fact, it just happened one hour ago, so you are pretty familiar with it. But the only way to get there is in the exact opposite direction, towards 7 o’clock. Our freighter is doing this. It is just that the island rarely flips over a new day compared to the outside. Good news though, the face of that large circumference clock is rapidly collapsing around the island and soon the journey to get back to a certain time is just seconds away.[/quote]
    If we go with this theory, maybe once you are dead you CAN go from 6 to 5 o’clock. Hence the doc washing up on shore before Sayid gets there. Possibility?

  269. DocH says:

    [quote comment="219666"]
    Kidney transplant HAS to be from a family member. Look it up.
    [/quote]
    Well golly Sargeant Carter. I musta missed that day at medical school. Of course it was EVIL medical school.

    Blood-typing, tissue typing, check to see if we can max out the white blood cell/antigen count at six. Check, check… & check. Slap in that new kidney boys – just like NASCAR. Although, a kidney from a family member does ‘ever so slightly’ reduce the chance of rejection, but that is just a “secondary protocol” (hmmm, there’s phrase that again).

    http://www.utmb.edu/renaltx/process.htm

  270. lost-on-mars says:

    I like Missy’s observations;

    On the Island Jack is sober and a leader
    Off the island he is paranoid and a drunk

    On the island Hurley is sane
    Off the island Hurley is insane and haunted

    On the island Sayid is gentle and feeling
    Off the island he is a murderous thug

    Michael was tormented off the island

    When Jack says they have to get back that is cause they will always be haunted off the island. The island heals all that is wrong with everyone.

  271. sector7 says:

    Here’s a thought… What if John isn’t moving the island to another place, but to another time?

  272. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="219675"][quote comment="219666"]
    Kidney transplant HAS to be from a family member. Look it up.
    [/quote]
    Well golly Sargeant Carter. I musta missed that day at medical school. Of course it was EVIL medical school.

    Blood-typing, tissue typing, check to see if we can max out the white blood cell/antigen count at six. Check, check… & check. Slap in that new kidney boys – just like NASCAR. Although, a kidney from a family member does ‘ever so slightly’ reduce the chance of rejection, but that is just a “secondary protocol” (hmmm, there’s phrase that again).

    http://www.utmb.edu/renaltx/process.htm%5B/quote%5D

    _________________________________
    So it boils down to compatability and blood type, although more easily found in a family member. Definitely possible that Cooper is not John’s father. Nice job private pyle.

  273. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="219664"]This just occurred to me…what if Sayid gets to the island only manages to get the Oceanic 6 in the boat and then the island disappears. That would explain a few things in the flash forwards…why Kate would be doing something for Sawyer etc.[/quote]
    Damn…an hour too late. Good thing I read all the posts before I threw it out. I def. think that’s what is going to happen. The six are off the island when Locke pushes the move button. And the next season will be about how everyone tries to find out how to find it again. Explains why Ben can say to Widmore that he won’t find the island after we know he already did.

  274. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="219677"]Here’s a thought… What if John isn’t moving the island to another place, but to another time?[/quote]
    Yes, I like that idea.

  275. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="219598"][quote comment="219552"]
    It quite apparent that Ben and his group took control of the island from DHARMA/Widmore, the question remains…who REALLY had it first. Four toed folks? Jacob? Widmore? Did DHARMA/Widmore steal it?[/quote]
    Comment 133 and who is next after Locke? The obvious answer is Aaron, but what about Walt?[/quote]
    ++++++++++++
    I didn’t need to be reminded of your comment…I was simply responding to ninny’s comment 205.

  276. Hammer says:

    DocH @ 267, I’m pickin’ up what you’re layin’ down.

  277. Promark says:

    Probably been mentioned before in other threads, but in the Bible, Aaron is the one who leads the Isrealites into the promised land. Moses has to stay behind. Perhaps Aaron helps the 6 return to the Island?

    Also, the name Horace comes from the name Horatio. In Hamlet, Horatio sees the ghost in the beginning of the play. I’ll let bigger minds than me attach any significance to whether that means anything.

  278. sector 7 says:

    [quote comment="219675"][quote comment="219666"]
    Kidney transplant HAS to be from a family member. Look it up.
    [/quote]
    Well golly Sargeant Carter. I musta missed that day at medical school. Of course it was EVIL medical school.

    Blood-typing, tissue typing, check to see if we can max out the white blood cell/antigen count at six. Check, check… & check. Slap in that new kidney boys – just like NASCAR. Although, a kidney from a family member does ‘ever so slightly’ reduce the chance of rejection, but that is just a “secondary protocol” (hmmm, there’s phrase that again).

    http://www.utmb.edu/renaltx/process.htm%5B/quote%5D

    ____________________________
    Good job, Pyle. Doesn’t have to be family, but does improve chance of success. Just doesn’t make sense to me that they would give so much reason to believe Cooper was John’s dad, especially the Sawyer connection, just to throw us off-track. JMO.

  279. Kathy says:

    [quote comment="219671"][quote comment="219664"]This just occurred to me…what if Sayid gets to the island only manages to get the Oceanic 6 in the boat and then the island disappears. That would explain a few things in the flash forwards…why Kate would be doing something for Sawyer etc.[/quote]

    My gut tells me that everyone isn’t rescued on the little Zodiac raft. The end of the season usually includes Penny Widmore in some fashion. I have this vision of Penny showing up to the island with a futuristic submarine or something along those lines. Bet.[/quote]

    I agree with a season finale with Penny,I believe she will find him and I love when she calls him Desi.

  280. JamieGirl says:

    in the flashback, when Alpert went to see Kid-Locke, the drawing that Locke made of the black smoke, to me it’s as if Alpert has been to the future, and is pleased that Kid-Locke is familiar with the black smoke monster, which is essentially something from his future. When Alpert asks Locke to show him what is his, Locke took the sand and compass, which pleased Richard. Once Locke picked he knife, however, Richard was dissapointed and left.
    Remember Eloise, Faraday’s lab rat at Oxford whose consciousness was sent forward in time, allowing her to run a maze, having been taught the course by Faraday one hour in the future. “Later in the day, Eloise died. The cause was unknown, but Faraday hypothesized she had suffered a brain aneurysm. According to his theory, not having any constant, her consciousness couldn’t differentiate between the future and the present” – Lostpedia. Locke’s consciousness is able to go forward in time (i.e. the drawing of the black smoke, recognition of the sand and the compass), however, Kid-Locke also thought the knife was his, unable to completely differentiate between the future and the present, so in essence, Alpert’s goal is to assure that unlike Eloise, Locke has a constant, allowing his consciousness to travel to the future. I just need a little help, as I don’t know who Locke’s constant is… Alpert, Ben, or Jacob, or someone else. Anyone following?

  281. JamieGirl says:

    [quote comment="219579"][quote comment="219521"][quote comment="219501"]
    I have a hard time believing that Cooper is really Locke’s biological father…when Emily Locke as a teenager was going to go out, when she told Mrs. Locke that she is in love, Mrs. Locke said “but he is twice your age”…that means about 32. When she saw Richard Alpert in the hospital Mrs. Locke had a strange look on her face…is that because he was the boyfriend or she knew who he was and had some history with him…maybe she and Emily are from the island.[/quote]
    I don’t think Mrs. Locke ment the father was literally “twice your age”, I think it was just an exaggeration meant to convey her disapproval of the relationship. Based on what we’ve been told already on this show, Emily was born in October 1940, and John Locke was born in May 1956. (As a side note, the song at the beginning of the episode, Buddy Holly’s song “Everyday”, was actually recorded in 1957 – production error, or more evidence of time travel??!!). The father could very well have been 25 years old in May 1956, which would make him 73 at the time of the crash of OA815, which seems about right for the age of Cooper.[/quote]
    —————-
    The nurse looked at Emily’s mom and asked “Is that the father?” Emily’s mom replied “I, uh…I don’t know who that is.” So looked puzzled IMO.

    Im glad you brought up that song “Everyday”. I think it was a perfect reference for them to explain the time discrepencies and where the timeline is headed.

    Everyday, it’s a gettin’ closer,
    Goin’ faster than a roller coaster,
    Love like yours will
    surely come my way,

    Everyday, it’s a gettin’ faster,
    Everyone says
    go ahead and ask her,
    Love like yours will surely come my way,

    Everyday seems a little longer,
    Every way, love’s a little stronger,
    Come
    what may, do you ever long for
    True love from me?[/quote]

    “Everyday” – Buddy Holley, died in plane crash

  282. DocH says:

    re: Alpert v. Abaddon.

    Abaddon only showed-up after Locke did his non-bungee jump from eight stories, and by all accounts, after the ‘Purge’. Abaddon, whom we assume is a Widmore agent, needed Locke to help get the island back for Widmore. Widmore and Dharma had access to all science-related files when they were in control of the island and learned of the ‘fertility’ experiments that took place on the mainland – to help the island. Mittelos BioScience is the modern proponent for the fertility concerns. Mittelos ‘Technologies’ was the 50s/60s equivalent, as ‘BioScience’ had not been coined yet as a scientific field. So Abaddon, trying to cover old tracks, comes across Locke as a potential candidate to regain control of the island, and tries to recruit him.

    Alpert on the other hand was close by at baby Locke’s side, interviewed 5 yr old Locke, and tried to vicariously recruit High School Locke, to no avail. I don’t think that Alpert is Locke’s dad, but, that he was involved in recruiting Locke’s birth-mom into the pregnancy experiment… just like he was involved in recruiting the Linus’s into a similar experiment a decade later, and later Juliet/Rachel. Odd how Locke’s mom and grandmom each reacted (experiment wary?) in the premmie ward. Plus, the very premature Locke surviving and Ben killing mom during birthing… it all lends itself to the island fertility mystery.

    Alpert has been chasing the fertility issue for decades (centuries?)… Abaddon is new to the job and was playing catch-up with crippled Locke.

  283. DocH says:

    [quote comment="219701"]
    … Alpert’s goal is to assure that… Locke has a constant, allowing his consciousness to travel to the future… Anyone following?
    [/quote]
    I follow. Nice kid rock / kid locke reference.

    I like that Alperts’ test of Locke was ‘time-oriented’, and that he was testing to see if Locke had any sense of his destiny (fate/Kharma).

    I can imagine Desmond getting the same test (by Abaddon/Widmore?) and passing. Des would flash ahead and select which items suited his fate! Not the same items though… what? An Army beret, a ring, a photo, a DriveShaft album, a sailing manual, and ???.

    Maybe Locke really doesn’t have it in him to be the island ‘Overlord’. What if Desmond is eventually supposed to rule… but now he is just cowering on a freighter… adrift?

  284. PJSander says:

    I just rewatched the first few minutes, and noticed something which confirms others’ theories (DocH 67, Hammer 78, dukewm 184, sector7 210) about Horace repeating himself / time skipping.

    Horace, in fact, pushes down the SAME TREE three times.

    Not sure how significant that is, but it definitely solidifies the repeating of his introduction being more than accidental.

    : ) P

  285. DocH says:

    [quote]
    If we go with this theory, maybe once you are dead you CAN go from 6 to 5 o’clock. Hence the doc washing up on shore before Sayid gets there. Possibility?
    [/quote]
    Absolutely. I am sure the dead/undead on the island have very different rules than the living… if they have any at all. Point in case, big ol fat face, grinning like a banshee Claire, in Jacob’s cabin. Three and a half years of “oh… my baby”, “oh Charlie”, etc…. She seemed pleased as punch that she is not a regular anymore.

    rumor-patrol: No one on the set would talk to her anymore after she alienated even the friendliest cast and crew members. (I don’t make’m up, I just repeat’em.)

  286. katesFriend says:

    so high school locke had a geronimo jackson poster in his locker and the undercover cop that conned locke into taking him to the pot commune had a geronimo jackson shirt on when locke picked him up hitchiking

    since the undercover said they chose locke b/c he was gullible (something like that) it is reasonable to think they put him in the tshirt b/c they knew locke would identify with that band

    now that we know locke has been recruited his entire life, could this whole set up be part of it? the reason i thought this is that (although we don’t know when the pot commune was in relation to the shitty things we have seen happen to locke) he was finally actually happy on that commune

    if locke was happy somewhere = less likely to find his way to a hidden island

  287. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="219476"][quote comment="219459"]
    (i know we were all thinking Locke was gonna get pushed down those stairs)
    [/quote]
    Yes! And part of the reason I thought that would happen is that in the HBO show “Oz”, there was a scene where Lance Reddick’s character pushed a wheelchair-bound character (played by Harold Parrineau) down a set of stairs. I wonder if they shot last night’s scene in that manner, as a sort of shout-out to “Oz”.[/quote]
    +++++++++++++++
    We thought he would be pushed down because we have been led to beieive that Abaddon is bad. This was to make us doubt our beleif and consider that maiby he is good. He is givin the opportunity to show us how evil he is and sodn’t use it.

  288. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="219227"]The “creepy guy” was Richard Alpert.

    http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Alpert

    The “black guy” was Abaddon.

    http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Abaddon

    What he told Locke was to go on a walk-about, to see what he was made of. He put Locke in Australia!

    : ) P[/quote]
    +++++++++++++
    He was also encouraging Locke in the areas that Richard Alpert didn’t want encouraged. Richard was upset when Locke chose the knife and Abaddon tells Locke to go where he has only his wits and a knife.

  289. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="219647"]If the Lapidus could drop the phone to the Losties to warn tem why couldn’t he have written a note that said exactly what Keemy was upto and dropped that with the phone???
    Maybe there weren’t any pens going around on the freighter???[/quote]
    ++++++
    He quickly hid the phone in the backpack while Keamy was on the way to the helo. He had no time to write a note. He turned it on so the locater would be working and then wraped it to protect it from the fall.

  290. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="219672"]good comments on the “Bearing/Heading to/from the Island/Freighter”.

    However, I do not think that they screwed-up when they ‘repeated’ the 305 heading for the umpteenth time. They didn’t do it for the casual viewer because those types of LOST viewers don’t exist anymore (harder to find than Jacob). The real-world thing would be to say the reciprocal of 305 (125) degrees. I think they said what they said for a reason. You want to fly TO the island? Fly bearing 305… You want to fly FROM the island? Fly bearing 305… While the ‘island is moving’ may be the most likely answer to the ‘why always 305′ heading (think leap-frog in time here), I think the answer is more ‘circular’ in nature.

    If you walk/swim/fly in any straight, direction, you’d eventually return to the same spot on the planet. If you are stuck in an Electro Magnetic eddy (whirlpool) and try to maintain a constant MAGNETIC direction, you may only travel in a relatively small (100 mile diameter) circle, while keeping a 305 heading the entire time.

    Imagine standing on the face of a large clock at the 6 o’clock position. You want to travel to the 5 o’clock position, just behind you… but you have to go clockwise (A RULE), a much longer journey. You can see, touch, smell 5 o’clock, it’s right there. In fact, it just happened one hour ago, so you are pretty familiar with it. But the only way to get there is in the exact opposite direction, towards 7 o’clock. Our freighter is doing this. It is just that the island rarely flips over a new day compared to the outside. Good news though, the face of that large circumference clock is rapidly collapsing around the island and soon the journey to get back to a certain time is just seconds away.[/quote]
    ++++++++++++
    Yes, I knew the heading was correct for on and off the heading but this explanition helps to clarify how this would work.

  291. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="219710"]re: Alpert v. Abaddon.

    Abaddon only showed-up after Locke did his non-bungee jump from eight stories, and by all accounts, after the ‘Purge’. Abaddon, whom we assume is a Widmore agent, needed Locke to help get the island back for Widmore. Widmore and Dharma had access to all science-related files when they were in control of the island and learned of the ‘fertility’ experiments that took place on the mainland – to help the island. Mittelos BioScience is the modern proponent for the fertility concerns. Mittelos ‘Technologies’ was the 50s/60s equivalent, as ‘BioScience’ had not been coined yet as a scientific field. So Abaddon, trying to cover old tracks, comes across Locke as a potential candidate to regain control of the island, and tries to recruit him.

    Alpert on the other hand was close by at baby Locke’s side, interviewed 5 yr old Locke, and tried to vicariously recruit High School Locke, to no avail. I don’t think that Alpert is Locke’s dad, but, that he was involved in recruiting Locke’s birth-mom into the pregnancy experiment… just like he was involved in recruiting the Linus’s into a similar experiment a decade later, and later Juliet/Rachel. Odd how Locke’s mom and grandmom each reacted (experiment wary?) in the premmie ward. Plus, the very premature Locke surviving and Ben killing mom during birthing… it all lends itself to the island fertility mystery.

    Alpert has been chasing the fertility issue for decades (centuries?)… Abaddon is new to the job and was playing catch-up with crippled Locke.[/quote]
    ++++++++++++++++++++
    Until last night we didn’t know that Richard Alpert had visited John as a child. Perhaps Abaddon did too but they just havn’t shown us.

    Don’t quite agree with the fertility experiment idea. Don’t disagree, just think there are many other things to connect all the people.

  292. Circus Mom says:

    Finally caught up.

    Some thoughts:
    1. Ranks in the two sides,
    Ben = to Widmore
    Alpert = to Abaddon
    Keamy = to Tom or Sayid
    Juliette = to Charlotte or Danielle

    2. Ben’s mother dies at birth, Locks mother leaves him, Alex is taken from her mother, Claire’s mother in coma. Do we ever see Jacks mother? Kate’s mom turns her in to the police. Saywer’s mom killed when he is young. Do we ever see Sun’s mother? Jin raised by father, mother a prostitute. Walt’s mom dies while he is young. Not sure where I’m going with this. Just seems like we talk about daddy issues all the time, what about mommy dearest?

    3. I agree with whoever said that they are in the zodiak when the island moves and that’s how the O^ get “off the island.” I wonder if anyone on the freighter or in the helo survive?

  293. Circus Mom says:

    OK, this one takes a seperate post, then rewatch the epi and go to bed.

    Hammer, DocH, PJSander and whoever else can help. Let me know what you think of this, plausible or not. Feel free to tear it apart. This has been the best epi for interesting and enlightining blogging in awhile.

    Charlie dies in December 2004 (12-04). Sometime before that date, lets say 2003, he conciousness time travels to Charlie 2007. This works because Charlie 2003 still has a full future ahead of him and could still be alive in 2007. Then Charlie dies in 12-04. Now, in 2007 Charlie’s conciousness is still “visiting” but there is no live Charlie to visit. He is still there because he went there in 2003. He is dead but he is still there.

    Or do I need a LAA meeting?

  294. Circus Mom says:

    Lastly, a few notes on what I do and don’t beleive.

    I beleived Claire was alive untill I say her in Jacobs cabin. Now not sure.

    I beleive Locke and Ben are not brothers.

    I beleive Anthony Cooper was Lockes birth father.

    I don’t beleive Locke and Jacob are one and the same.

    I beleive I will have to kick myself if Locke and Jacob are one and the same.

    I beleive Christian is dead.

    I beleive Charlie is dead.

    I beleive the O6 are alive, no mater what Hurley thinks.

    I beleive it’s time to go to sleep now.

    Goodnight.

  295. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="219719"][quote comment="219701"]
    … Alpert’s goal is to assure that… Locke has a constant, allowing his consciousness to travel to the future… Anyone following?
    [/quote]
    I follow. Nice kid rock / kid locke reference.

    I like that Alperts’ test of Locke was ‘time-oriented’, and that he was testing to see if Locke had any sense of his destiny (fate/Kharma).

    I can imagine Desmond getting the same test (by Abaddon/Widmore?) and passing. Des would flash ahead and select which items suited his fate! Not the same items though… what? An Army beret, a ring, a photo, a DriveShaft album, a sailing manual, and ???.

    Maybe Locke really doesn’t have it in him to be the island ‘Overlord’. What if Desmond is eventually supposed to rule… but now he is just cowering on a freighter… adrift?[/quote]
    Kid grew up a few miles from where I live, Uncle Cracker too. Eminem only a mile from where I grew up, remember 8 Mile? I grew up on 9 Mile. Fun facts over…

    If Penny comes to rescue Des, and they both end up on the island when Locke pushes the “move” button, are we seeing a set up for our “Adam and Eve”?

  296. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="219761"]OK, this one takes a seperate post, then rewatch the epi and go to bed.

    Hammer, DocH, PJSander and whoever else can help. Let me know what you think of this, plausible or not. Feel free to tear it apart. This has been the best epi for interesting and enlightining blogging in awhile.

    Charlie dies in December 2004 (12-04). Sometime before that date, lets say 2003, he conciousness time travels to Charlie 2007. This works because Charlie 2003 still has a full future ahead of him and could still be alive in 2007. Then Charlie dies in 12-04. Now, in 2007 Charlie’s conciousness is still “visiting” but there is no live Charlie to visit. He is still there because he went there in 2003. He is dead but he is still there.

    Or do I need a LAA meeting?[/quote]
    I have to work out some details, but seem very plausible on the surface.

  297. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="219761"]Hammer, DocH, PJSander and whoever else can help. Let me know what you think of this, plausible or not. Feel free to tear it apart. This has been the best epi for interesting and enlightining blogging in awhile.

    Charlie dies in December 2004 (12-04). Sometime before that date, lets say 2003, he conciousness time travels to Charlie 2007. This works because Charlie 2003 still has a full future ahead of him and could still be alive in 2007. Then Charlie dies in 12-04. Now, in 2007 Charlie’s conciousness is still “visiting” but there is no live Charlie to visit. He is still there because he went there in 2003. He is dead but he is still there.

    Or do I need a LAA meeting?[/quote]

    LOL, while I appreciate the shout out, Circus Mom, I struggle to get my head around the time / consciousness travel idea. I BELIEVE in it in theory, but just can’t sort it out in my head properly!

    However, if I suspend my belief in Charlie’s survival, then I completely buy your idea. MY trouble with the theory is the same trouble I always have… trying to sort out the how.

    Hope you got some good sleep!

    : ) P

  298. Lins says:

    Ok, what if Abbadon was sent by Widmore to Locke to get him to come to Australia knowing that he would end up in the plane and on the island and that he would be the one to cause the hatch to implode/cause Des to turn the key therefore momentarily making the island visible so that he (Widmore) could find it…?

    And Hammer…I grew up between 6 and 7 mile so I hear ya!

  299. Kathy P says:

    I think that Jack does take everyone to follow the chopper but Frank somehow warns Jack/losties that Keamy is going to kill them so they head back to the beach where Sayid is with the zodiak. the 06 get on the zodiak then Locke moves the island, if the zodiak has not left the island then how will they find the freighter? I think they find Penny and her boat by accident? Now does that mean that the freighter is lost or cannot find the island any longer. Maybe the thing that Keamy has on his arm is some kind of homing device cause he knows the island can be moved? Any ideas?

  300. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="219844"]Ok, what if Abbadon was sent by Widmore to Locke to get him to come to Australia knowing that he would end up in the plane and on the island and that he would be the one to cause the hatch to implode/cause Des to turn the key therefore momentarily making the island visible so that he (Widmore) could find it…?

    And Hammer…I grew up between 6 and 7 mile so I hear ya![/quote]
    Cool, I migrated a little north to get out of the “burbs”, but commute in to work…

    That is what my thinking was as it played out, but as usual after thinking about it, are they setting us up with another red herring? I am still trying to figure out who the “agents of fate” are they set these folks up.

  301. Lins says:

    Ok, this may sound really confusing because it does to me too, but I’ll throw it out there and see what happens.

    I don’t think Frank intended for the Losties to follow him when he threw out the phone. I think he intends to somehow get rid of the mercs and then fly back for the Losties, but he needs Daniel to have the phone so he can help him find his way back in case there is a problem finding the location again. I think Frank plans to drop the mercs somewhere near the cabin, I think that’s where Keamy’s second protocol said Ben would be so Frank drops them off there and then heads back to the beach to find the others.

  302. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="219847"]Ok, this may sound really confusing because it does to me too, but I’ll throw it out there and see what happens.

    I don’t think Frank intended for the Losties to follow him when he threw out the phone. I think he intends to somehow get rid of the mercs and then fly back for the Losties, but he needs Daniel to have the phone so he can help him find his way back in case there is a problem finding the location again. I think Frank plans to drop the mercs somewhere near the cabin, I think that’s where Keamy’s second protocol said Ben would be so Frank drops them off there and then heads back to the beach to find the others.[/quote]
    I think you are close. I don’t think the DHARMA protocol knows where to the cabin is though. I think the Temple is where Keamy is headed, but I like the rest.

  303. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="219848"][quote comment="219847"]Ok, this may sound really confusing because it does to me too, but I’ll throw it out there and see what happens.

    I don’t think Frank intended for the Losties to follow him when he threw out the phone. I think he intends to somehow get rid of the mercs and then fly back for the Losties, but he needs Daniel to have the phone so he can help him find his way back in case there is a problem finding the location again. I think Frank plans to drop the mercs somewhere near the cabin, I think that’s where Keamy’s second protocol said Ben would be so Frank drops them off there and then heads back to the beach to find the others.[/quote]
    I think you are close. I don’t think the DHARMA protocol knows where to the cabin is though. I think the Temple is where Keamy is headed, but I like the rest.[/quote]
    +++++++++++++
    I hope this is true and Frank dumps the mercs somewhere.

    Re watched a little last night, Abaddon tells Locke he “learned a lot ablut himself on his own waldabout.” wonder how he was brought to the island. I don’t think he meant he went to Australia for walkabout like he tells Locke to do.

    I also don’t think Richard Alpert was Lockes father as I beleive Anthony Cooper was. I do think that Emilys mother recognized Richard Alpert when she saw him at the hospital when Locke was born. Had she been on a “walkabout” at some time or is she a Widmore? Did Alpert visit her when she gave birth to Emily?

  304. RGS says:

    I think that the heading 305 was so that viewers won’t go crazy talking about there’s different bearings.

    I believe the O6 get rescued simultaneously, as Hurley is too big for the Zodiac.

    Trying to make sense of the time discrepancy contained in the island bubble will drive folks crazy, I thought the writer’s have said as much. Hence the time “bubble” is random and unpredictable, the only semblance of predictability is to come in on the same 305 bearing.

    How did we make the connection of a knife=hero? I would have thought knife=hands on approach, which is in contrast to a faith based approach. So Alpert was upset that the boy had not accepted his faith based reasoning…yet.

    Jack tells Kate that Sawyer chose to stay behind. I think the folks who stay behind do so of their own free will, not because the island had moved before they could get rescued.

    I don’t think Horace was actually building Jacob’s cabin. Discovering the map was more theatrics (IMO) to show that Locke was getting back in tune with the island (Ben-“I used to have dreams too.”) Horace may have been building a cabin hideaway but I don’t think it is a major part of the story.

    Circus Mom 292 I don’t think the scenario you laid out is possible, because Charlie dies in ’04 (sorry PJ), so he can’t exist in ’07. His timeline ends in ’04 (IMO).

    Missy 243 IMO the Mercs buried Karl and Danielle, so that the TV show could show Miles discovering their bodies with his skills…in other words theatrics. Alternatively, the Mercs may not have wanted the scientists to know they were killing, as they need the scientists to do something for them of their own free will. I don’t think they were buried for reasons similar to floating bodies out to sea, because the Mercs aren’t attached to the island in that way.

  305. Circus Mom says:

    +++++++++++++
    I hope this is true and Frank dumps the mercs somewhere.

    Re watched a little last night, Abaddon tells Locke he “learned a lot ablut himself on his own waldabout.” wonder how he was brought to the island. I don’t think he meant he went to Australia for walkabout like he tells Locke to do.

    I also don’t think Richard Alpert was Lockes father as I beleive Anthony Cooper was. I do think that Emilys mother recognized Richard Alpert when she saw him at the hospital when Locke was born. Had she been on a “walkabout” at some time or is she a Widmore? Did Alpert visit her when she gave birth to Emily?

  306. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="219845"]I think that Jack does take everyone to follow the chopper but Frank somehow warns Jack/losties that Keamy is going to kill them so they head back to the beach where Sayid is with the zodiak. the 06 get on the zodiak then Locke moves the island, if the zodiak has not left the island then how will they find the freighter? I think they find Penny and her boat by accident? Now does that mean that the freighter is lost or cannot find the island any longer. Maybe the thing that Keamy has on his arm is some kind of homing device cause he knows the island can be moved? Any ideas?[/quote]

    Not sure about the zodiac being the way the O6 ultimately gets off the island because that is a LITTLE boat – and I doubt it would hold three people, let alone six including Hurley.

    However, your post DID make me realize that Jack’s appendicitis might be more than just the island medical magic. I think it plays a role in his being an O6. If he were HEALTHLY, he would NEVER leave the island before Juliet, Jin, Claire, Rose and Bernard (whether or not they want to leave) and even Sawyer and Locke, were safe. So in order for the story arc to get to his being an O6, he has to be in medical danger or he would insist on being last to be rescued.

    Just my take on it.

    : ) P

  307. DocH says:

    About where the helo is going on island? Agree that it could be going toward the Temple, if the mercs even know about it. How would they know? We know they know about the Tempest and the gas attack potential there. Maybe that is their secondary protocol, if you can’t extract Ben, then gas everyone. The questionable thing is why so many small arms and LAWs rockets on the helo, if they are headed for an unmanned Tempest station. One thing I also wondered about, if they were going solely after the Losties, then why didn’t they land right there on the well-illuminated beach (surprise! ack ack ack…). So the Lostie-hating isn’t the main mission, they’ll just be collateral damage.

  308. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="219859"]About where the helo is going on island? Agree that it could be going toward the Temple, if the mercs even know about it. How would they know? We know they know about the Tempest and the gas attack potential there. Maybe that is their secondary protocol, if you can’t extract Ben, then gas everyone. The questionable thing is why so many small arms and LAWs rockets on the helo, if they are headed for an unmanned Tempest station. One thing I also wondered about, if they were going solely after the Losties, then why didn’t they land right there on the well-illuminated beach (surprise! ack ack ack…). So the Lostie-hating isn’t the main mission, they’ll just be collateral damage.[/quote]

    I don’t think the are going to the Tempest based on this dialog:

    GAULT: The reason there are two keys is we’re only supposed to open the safe together.

    KEAMY: You’re here, aren’t you?

    GAULT: What is that?

    KEAMY: It’s the secondary protocol.

    GAULT: What does it say?

    KEAMY: Says where Linus is going.

    GAULT: How would Mr. Widmore know that?

    KEAMY: ‘Cause he’s a very smart man, and if Linus knows that we’re gonna torch the Island, there’s only one place that he can go.

    GAULT: What do you mean, “torch the Island”? That was not the agreement. I agreed to ferry you here for an extraction mission.

    KEAMY: Fix my gun.

    Based on Ben telling Karl and Alex that the Temple is safest place…they think that is where Ben is going.

  309. Omar Kamel says:

    Well, okay. I just watched the episode again. Here are my overall thoughts on it…

    1. Well, for a start, they’ve left open the question of who Locke’s father is. This might imply that the answer to that will itself be significant. All we’ve been told is that he’s twice Emily’s age – which implies that he’s one of the players, and not some random boyfriend. If I sound like I’m forgetting about Cooper, well, I’m not. It’s just … weird.

    2. The Doctor still being alive on the frighter is a bit confusing, mostly because it also begs the question of why Sayid, for instance, hasn’t ‘yet’ shown up on the Island with the Zodiac. Then again, obviously the time-warping works differently for a floating corpse than it would for a boat that can follow a specific bearing – but still…

    3. Horace’s nosebleed. I don’t think we’ve considered this quite enough. Considering how the nose-bleeds have been associated with time-consciousness-travel, etc – I think it’s of major significance, and I also think that it goes some way towards refuting, or at least inviting serious re-consideration of the idea (Yo! Hammer!) that the whispers or manifestations are necessarily of ‘dead’ people. I know he says he’s dead, but the nose bleed says there’s more to it than that. Much more, I suspect.

    4. Emily’s freakout, and not being able to deal with John at the hospital seems to also beg some kind of explanation.

    5. Nurse expresses that John (in the incubator) has survived all kinds of stuff. More importantly, and especially in reference to the whole ‘knife/science’ thing – she specifically refers to him as a FIGHTER.

    6. The knife. Ah. Well, obviously yeah – the whole re-incarnation thing a la the Dalai Lama, etc – in which case – John would be suspected of being an incarnation of..? Who? Jacob? I think the answer is a bit more complicated than that. His choice of the knife implies several possibilities: a) He just ‘wanted’ the damn knife, the ‘fighter’ part of him. b) he IS the re-incarnated ‘whoever’ but is effectively deciding to ‘alter’ his destiny. c) There is no ‘one’ chosen, there are several ‘potentials’, and he’s just not the one most ready at that point. This seems more likely since Mittelos didn’t entirely forget about Locke when he ‘failed’ the 1st test.

    7. So the gun jammed again. Elimnating ANY possiblity that Michael’s own failures were a fluke. Cool, but no idea what scale of power we’re talking about here…

    8. The whole Abbadan sending Locke out on the walkabout is WAY trippy. Why? Is Widmore betting that Locke will eventually betray the interests of Ben, etc? Or is he giving Ben and Jacob somebody to rely on, with knowledge that Locke is likely to FAIL them and therefore benefit Abbadan? Of course, the horrific part is Abbadan’s statement to the effect that Locke ‘owes him one’. This won’t be cheap, and more likely than not – will end up putting Locke into a fatal situation.

    9. What the hell is that thing on Keamy’s arm? Argh!?

    10. I agree with those who think that Frank gave them the tracker so that they AVOID the frighter folks, not FOLLOW them. Jeezus Jack, get a cortex…Well, hopefully Jack’s plan won’t be to just walk up to Keamy and say ‘Hi!”…

    11. CLAIRE! My biggest freak out here (other than the fact that Christian is sitting there like he’s in a living room, calm and casual) – is that Claire’s whole DEMEANOR is different. I don’t get this at all. She’s not acting LIKE the Claire we know. Not quite the same tone of voice, not quite the same attitude. Had it not been for flashbacks with the psychic in Australia, etc – I would’ve almost concluded that she’s been in on it from the start and that the Claire we know was just a role. But since that doesn’t make sense – then how else could her total change of demeanor be explained? Some of you think she’s already dead? Well, hmm – that could explain it – but again, I hardly think it’s ‘that’ simple.

    12. I LOVED it when Chrisitan answered Locke’s question about knowing why he’s here with ‘Yeah, do you?’. LOL

    So they’re going to MOVE the Island, eh?

    Can’t *(!@@# wait.

  310. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="219870"]
    3. Horace’s nosebleed. I don’t think we’ve considered this quite enough. Considering how the nose-bleeds have been associated with time-consciousness-travel, etc – I think it’s of major significance, and I also think that it goes some way towards refuting, or at least inviting serious re-consideration of the idea (Yo! Hammer!) that the whispers or manifestations are necessarily of ‘dead’ people. I know he says he’s dead, but the nose bleed says there’s more to it than that. Much more, I suspect.
    [/quote]I have no problems with refuting evidence…but we don’t have to take his word for it that he died, we saw him dead in “The Purge” as well as Locke pulled the map off his dead body. Also, you have forgotten that when he was dead on the park bench, the area under his nose was full of blood from the poison, just like Ben’s dad when the small canister was released. Nose bleed happens to be part of the effect of the purge poison.

  311. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="219859"]About where the helo is going on island? Agree that it could be going toward the Temple, if the mercs even know about it. How would they know? [/quote]
    Widmore had “control” of the island once. Unless the TEMPLE is new, he would be aware of its location. I wonder if destroying the Temple is in the “rules”?

  312. Hammer says:

    Here’s one to throw out there that Omar Kamel got me thinking about. Is there a chance that the purge poison sets off the same side effect as traveling without a constant? Maybe makes you dead and sticks you in the place or time that the Whisperers are stuck in?

  313. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="219873"][quote comment="219859"]About where the helo is going on island? Agree that it could be going toward the Temple, if the mercs even know about it. How would they know? [/quote]
    Widmore had “control” of the island once. Unless the TEMPLE is new, he would be aware of its location. I wonder if destroying the Temple is in the “rules”?[/quote]
    +++++++++++++++++
    Yes. D.I. Secondary Protocol=Widmore knows=Mercs know. As far as “rules”, Keamy shows he isn’t concerned about rules.

  314. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="219760"]Finally caught up.

    Some thoughts:
    1. Ranks in the two sides,
    Ben = to Widmore
    Alpert = to Abaddon
    Keamy = to Tom or Sayid
    Juliette = to Charlotte or Danielle
    [/quote]
    I am not sure there are just 2 sides anymore. I agree that Ben and Widmore are equals only in the sense that they each, at one point, had some kind of control of the island. I got the feeling that MAYBE Abaddon and Alpert are on the same side. BOTH working for the island.

  315. Circus Mom says:

    It was raining when Emily got hit by the car and Locke was born. It was raining when Richard visits John to test him at age 10. Locke seems to know a lot about the rain.

    So Michael gave Ben Keamy’s name. Keamy knows that all Ben needs is a name to find out everything about someone. It’s on a LIST somewhere.

  316. DocH says:

    About the freighter tots… We assume Miles is gonna link up with the Losties and Char/Dan, as he is with Sawyer and they are headed seaside with Aaron. Jack is hauling (unwisely?) the Losties toward the attack helo… we assume. What kind of heck is gonna break loose when all factions collide. Mc-sKeamy showed no passion for the freighter scientists in his dialogue with Frank. Do the scientists stand-up and say ‘hey – we are mad as heck and we are not going to take it anymore’, when the mercenaries arrive? My vision is that one or more of them do, then pay the price for it, particularly if they learn the neutral Captain Gault was schwaked. Keamy seems to have a little “roid-rage” going for him, and that does not bode well for a smart-mouthed Charlotte and/or Miles. Flabber-gasted Daniel while likely demure in that scenario…. I worry for Lapidus too. Like Sawyer, I like Frank more and more each episode.

  317. DocH says:

    [quote comment="219859"]
    About where the helo is going on island? Agree that it could be going toward the Temple, if the mercs even know about it. How would they know?
    [/quote]
    [quote comment="219873"]
    Widmore had “control” of the island once. Unless the TEMPLE is new, he would be aware of its location. I wonder if destroying the Temple is in the “rules”?
    [/quote]
    yes… BUT… what if the “Temple” was never uncovered by Widmore & Dharma Init.? The Hostiles/Natives/Others seemed to have free run outside of the sonic fence and thru most of the island. If Widmore, Keamy & company are not aware of the “Temple” location, then how could they plan a protocol to take/destroy it. That is why Ben/Alpert are moving the island brood there?… it is a place that should assure security… a sacred place… undetectable and privy only to native folk.

  318. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="219887"][quote comment="219859"]
    About where the helo is going on island? Agree that it could be going toward the Temple, if the mercs even know about it. How would they know?
    [/quote]
    [quote comment="219873"]
    Widmore had “control” of the island once. Unless the TEMPLE is new, he would be aware of its location. I wonder if destroying the Temple is in the “rules”?
    [/quote]
    yes… BUT… what if the “Temple” was never uncovered by Widmore & Dharma Init.? The Hostiles/Natives/Others seemed to have free run outside of the sonic fence and thru most of the island. If Widmore, Keamy & company are not aware of the “Temple” location, then how could they plan a protocol to take/destroy it. That is why Ben/Alpert are moving the island brood there?… it is a place that should assure security… a sacred place… undetectable and privy only to native folk.[/quote]
    “suspended belief”…
    Ben stole the island from Widmore.
    Ben knows the temple location.
    Widmore knows the temple location.

    That’s a BIG “if” IMO.

  319. DocH says:

    [quote comment="219891"]
    “suspended belief”…
    Ben stole the island from Widmore.
    Ben knows the temple location.
    Widmore knows the temple location.

    That’s a BIG “if” IMO.
    [/quote]
    Young Ben was recruited by Alpert. Alpert seems more the boss than Ben. Ben did not necessarily know all of the island secrets when he stepped into a leadership role during, or just after, the Purge. Ben may have only learned of the “Temple” just a little while ago.

  320. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="219906"][quote comment="219891"]
    “suspended belief”…
    Ben stole the island from Widmore.
    Ben knows the temple location.
    Widmore knows the temple location.

    That’s a BIG “if” IMO.
    [/quote]
    Young Ben was recruited by Alpert. Alpert seems more the boss than Ben. Ben did not necessarily know all of the island secrets when he stepped into a leadership role during, or just after, the Purge. Ben may have only learned of the “Temple” just a little while ago.[/quote]
    ++++++++++++++
    I appreciate your thought process, however, somethings that seem obvious turn out to be just that (Micheal being Ben’s insider, Aaron being an O6, etc.). IMO it seems obvious that the Secondary Protocol go to the Temple (and possibly change some more rules)because of the reasons I posted in comment 308.

  321. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="219883"][quote comment="219883"]About the freighter tots… We assume Miles is gonna link up with the Losties and Char/Dan, as he is with Sawyer and they are headed seaside with Aaron. Jack is hauling (unwisely?) the Losties toward the attack helo… we assume. What kind of heck is gonna break loose when all factions collide. Mc-sKeamy showed no passion for the freighter scientists in his dialogue with Frank. Do the scientists stand-up and say ‘hey – we are mad as heck and we are not going to take it anymore’, when the mercenaries arrive? My vision is that one or more of them do, then pay the price for it, particularly if they learn the neutral Captain Gault was schwaked. Keamy seems to have a little “roid-rage” going for him, and that does not bode well for a smart-mouthed Charlotte and/or Miles. Flabber-gasted Daniel while likely demure in that scenario…. I worry for Lapidus too. Like Sawyer, I like Frank more and more each episode.[/quote]
    bout the freighter tots… We assume Miles is gonna link up with the Losties and Char/Dan, as he is with Sawyer and they are headed seaside with Aaron. Jack is hauling (unwisely?) the Losties toward the attack helo… we assume. What kind of heck is gonna break loose when all factions collide. Mc-sKeamy showed no passion for the freighter scientists in his dialogue with Frank. Do the scientists stand-up and say ‘hey – we are mad as heck and we are not going to take it anymore’, when the mercenaries arrive? My vision is that one or more of them do, then pay the price for it, particularly if they learn the neutral Captain Gault was schwaked. Keamy seems to have a little “roid-rage” going for him, and that does not bode well for a smart-mouthed Charlotte and/or Miles. Flabber-gasted Daniel while likely demure in that scenario…. I worry for Lapidus too. Like Sawyer, I like Frank more and more each episode.[/quote]
    +++++++++++++++++
    “Mc-sKeamy”, that’s funny. Can’t avoid a good hospital drama, eh Doc?

    You’re right about him. I wonder why he’s so passionate about his job? 3.2 million $’s?

  322. PJSander says:

    Rewatching more of the episode.

    John, post-accident, is at “Delerue Center for Rehabilitation.” Nothing is named without a reason, so I tried anagrams.

    For Delerue Center, I got
    recenter elude
    clue reentered
    decree rule ten
    centered lee rue
    erect under lee

    None of those stand out, so I looked up the name Delerue. There was a Georges Delerue who was a film composer, so no really obvious connection there.

    Then I found Dr. Nicolas Delerue, a particle physicist, who, according to the web page is working on an International Linear Collider at OXFORD! Hmmmm.

    http://www-pnp.physics.ox.ac.uk/~delerue/

    : ) P

  323. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="219947"]Rewatching more of the episode.

    John, post-accident, is at “Delerue Center for Rehabilitation.” Nothing is named without a reason, so I tried anagrams.

    For Delerue Center, I got
    recenter elude
    clue reentered
    decree rule ten
    centered lee rue
    erect under lee

    None of those stand out, so I looked up the name Delerue. There was a Georges Delerue who was a film composer, so no really obvious connection there.

    Then I found Dr. Nicolas Delerue, a particle physicist, who, according to the web page is working on an International Linear Collider at OXFORD! Hmmmm.

    http://www-pnp.physics.ox.ac.uk/~delerue/

    : ) P[/quote]
    +++++++++++
    The particle collider page caught my eye. Exploring more than 4 dimensions?

  324. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="219947"]
    For Delerue Center, I got
    recenter elude
    clue reentered
    decree rule ten
    centered lee rue
    erect under lee
    [/quote]
    How about Richard Alpert?
    Trap rare child
    Rare child trap
    part rare child

  325. lost4ever says:

    Does anyone think Locke’s sister, Jeanie, dying on the monkey bars was influenced by the island? Like Juliet’s husband. She told him, when he was playing backgammon, “that game’s stupid”. Maybe she became a bad influence.

  326. Lins says:

    Re-watched and found some things:

    1. Horace told Locke that if he found him he would find Jacob…not the cabin. Maybe Locke missed that and assumed he was supposed to find the cabin, can Jacob exist outside of the cabin? Obviously since he wasn’t there…

    2. Ben looked pretty pissed when Locke was giving Hurley his little speech about the DI, he also didn’t act as manipulative in this ep, he was a little depressing

    3. Abaddon said a miracle happened to him too, wonder what that was. He also said “when” he runs into John again, since we don’t know if Locke gets off the island, does that mean Abaddon shows up on the island?

    4. Frank is pretty darn cool…and I like how he said he was hired to fly scientists.

    5. Keamy showed the capitain his arm band thingie and asked him if he really wanted to shoot him, IMO implying that something bad would happen if he did, i.e. all that ammo and stuff would blow up. Seems weird to me.

    6. Wonder if Jacob’s “help me” last season had anything to do with CS taking over his cabin!!

    7. CS and Claire also shared a really weird look when Locke asked how to save the island.

    That’s it for now…that was a great episode IMO, I will have to watch it again before this Thursday!!

  327. sector7 says:

    Jeff Fahey is one bad ass actor. I’m a huge fan. I laugh whenever he’s on because he’s just so damn cool! He steps in and acts at the highest level, right there with O’Quinn and Emerson.

    I see Frank sacrificing himself to save the losties somehow. The big meeting at the temple is coming. It’s where everyone is heading now. I see Keamy losing there and at the end, some will choose to leave and some will choose to stay. I think back to Sayid’s reaction when finding Ben in Iraq. Sayid is puzzled, “why are you here?” — as if the last time they saw each other everything was “ok”.

    Only thing I can’t figure is why does Jin stay? I can see Sawyer wanting to stay, same for Locke, Rose, Bernard, Miles, Dan, Char. We know Hurley isn’t going anywhere in the little raft… I think Penny shows up to rescue them and alas, Des isn’t there. Dumb ass stayed on the freighter. Doh!

    I see the end of the season with those who wanted to leave make it back, and the frozen donkey wheel gives us a clue as the reason they will have to go back.

  328. RGS says:

    I just rewatched and looked at screencaps, so the secondary protocol had the orchid logo on it, so it is likely that’s where Keamy believes they are headed. It makes sense that it is a secondary protocol because Widmore probably is reluctant to let folks know about the teleportation device or whatever is located there.

    I have to recant my last post about Horace not building Jacob’s cabin, because the way they present it makes it appear Locke believes he was building it. I initially just thought he saw the blueprint and the X for the cabin. Why the hell was Horace building his cabin? Nuts.

  329. shells says:

    When Locke questioned ‘altered’ Claire as to the whereabouts of Aaron, CS said, “Aaron is where he is supposed to be.”
    The last we saw of Aaron, he was with Sawyer. Is that where he is supposed to be? Why with Sawyer?

  330. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="219970"] I initially just thought he saw the blueprint and the X for the cabin.[/quote]

    Does the cabin move or does the rest of the island?

    Really, that is just a joke which stems from a lifetime ago when I worked a log-flume ride at an amusement park. The platform to board the boats moved counter-clockwise around the steps leading down to the platform so that the boats would arrive, the people would get out and new ones would get in all while the boat kept up with the platform. People would CONSTANTLY ask, “Is the platform MOVING?” To which we would reply, matter-of-factly, “No, the platform is still, the rest of the park is moving.” Sadly, some people believed us. But I digress…

    If the cabin IS moving… did the map in Horace’s pocket reflect where the cabin WOULD BE when Locke needed to find it (some kind of time shift thing), or is the map like Harry Potter’s Marauder’s Map, where the map shows wherever the cabin happens to be at the time you are looking?

    Curiouser and curiouser.

    : ) P

  331. shells says:

    Maybe the reason Miles was staring at Claire during their trek was because he knew she was dead, or something like dead.

  332. shells says:

    One more thought:
    How on earth are we going to pass the time between May 22 and January, 2009? Throw us a bone, LOST!

  333. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="219970"]I just rewatched and looked at screencaps, so the secondary protocol had the orchid logo on it, so it is likely that’s where Keamy believes they are headed. It makes sense that it is a secondary protocol because Widmore probably is reluctant to let folks know about the teleportation device or whatever is located there.
    [/quote]
    Nice research. That’s a good place for Ben to get started on his new mission ( Penny ).

  334. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="219981"]
    If the cabin IS moving… did the map in Horace’s pocket reflect where the cabin WOULD BE when Locke needed to find it (some kind of time shift thing), or is the map like Harry Potter’s Marauder’s Map, where the map shows wherever the cabin happens to be at the time you are looking?[/quote]
    I was also wondering that. Is it possible that the island wouldn’t let the cabin be found by Locke UNTIL the map was discovered?

  335. nicunurse says:

    So many thoughts! Wow! To summarize my thoughts:

    1). Locke was in foster care (that was not his sister or brother..). Why? Why wasn’t he just adopted out?

    2). Not sure if Cooper is old enough to be his bio dad (but Cooper thinks he is the bio dad). (I agree with Doc H that kidney transplants only need same blood typing thus Cooper doesn’t have to be the actual father but I don’t know that producers would know that hence, we are made to believe that Cooper believes he is the bio dad…)UNLESS Locke’s kidney was needed for hie REAL bio dad and Cooper was just the “agent.” (e.g. Widmore, who would have been twice the age of his mother..is the REAL dad, needed a kidney, gets Cooper to con Locke who undergoes surgery and the actual recipient is Widmore who recovers in a different room..that’s why Cooper recovers and leaves the hospital so quickly and also why Cooper could con his own “son”..who isn’t his own son…)

    2). Island gets moved…that is why Jack keeps saying “we have to go back Kate….” He is desperate to get back and doesn’t know how. Otherwise, he could just hop on a freighter and head at 305…go back, see how he likes it, etc.

    3). There is only so much room on the boat…Jin puts Sun aboard, island moves, Sun can’t get Jin back.

    4). We did meet Jack’s mother, in an early episode when she tells Jack to get the body back.

    5). Different actresses play the emily’s…is this because the producers failed to plan ahead? Or are Ben and Locke not related? (I think they are brothers…both have blue eyes).

    6). Alpert’s mad that Locke picks the knife because it shows Lockes weak character. Locke ends up LOVING knives and I think he picked it because he WANTED it..he knew it didn’t belong to him…Alpert is annoyed because Locke caved and saw an opportunity to get a knife and took it.

    GREAT episode (but a little too much violence for me…)

  336. Starla says:

    [quote comment="219962"]Does anyone think Locke’s sister, Jeanie, dying on the monkey bars was influenced by the island? Like Juliet’s husband. She told him, when he was playing backgammon, “that game’s stupid”. Maybe she became a bad influence.[/quote]

    Upon second viewing, I noticed Locke’s foster mom called her daughter “Melissa!” so this can’t be the Jeannie that Locke told the story about. Maybe there’s another sister, or maybe Locke moved on to another foster home at some point?

    Just found this blog, and this is some great discussion. Hope you don’t mind if I chime in! I’m a Lost-aholic, too :)

  337. Starla says:

    [quote comment="220032"][quote comment="219981"]
    If the cabin IS moving… did the map in Horace’s pocket reflect where the cabin WOULD BE when Locke needed to find it (some kind of time shift thing), or is the map like Harry Potter’s Marauder’s Map, where the map shows wherever the cabin happens to be at the time you are looking?[/quote]
    I was also wondering that. Is it possible that the island wouldn’t let the cabin be found by Locke UNTIL the map was discovered?[/quote]

    I couldn’t figure out why Horace would create a detailed blueprint for a simple one room cabin? But I love the idea that the map changes depending on who’s looking at it or where the cabin is at the moment. Maybe there’s a blueprint/map for the whole island? :)

  338. Can't Get Enough says:

    Here’s a thought: What if Claire didn’t actually die until she fell asleep at the campsite with Sawyer & Miles? Maybe she had some kind of internal injury from the blast that didn’t kill her initially but was some kind of slow internal bleed. So since she was still alive after the blast, Sawyer would obviously be able to see her and pick her up and communicate with her. Later, when they all fell asleep that night, only Miles could see and/or hear Claire get up and leave with Christian because he can somehow communicate with the dead. Claire’s body wasn’t found at the campsite in the morning just as Christian’s body wasn’t in the coffin once the plane crashed on the island. Does that make sense to anyone else?

  339. LostinSev says:

    It is no accident that Miles had this strange attraction/curiosity for Claire and Aaron. Maybe she has been dead for some time but the island kept her around to care for Aaron until he is “where he is supposed to be”? Claire had cheated death MANY times as well, almost like the island won’t let her die or she is already dead like Christian.

  340. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="220053"]
    5) Or are Ben and Locke not related? (I think they are brothers…both have blue eyes).
    [/quote]
    People have said that they might be related but I have to disagree. Ben’s mother Emily died. When Locke’s mother Emily first visited him in the toy store, Locke hired a PI. The PI got hair samples and the DNA test came back a 99 percent match.
    As far as why they didn’t use the same actress, probably the age difference. Emily is what 16 in this latest episode? They didn’t use O’Quinn to play 16-year old Locke stuck in the LOCKEr.

  341. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="220060"][quote comment="219962"]Does anyone think Locke’s sister, Jeanie, dying on the monkey bars was influenced by the island? Like Juliet’s husband. She told him, when he was playing backgammon, “that game’s stupid”. Maybe she became a bad influence.[/quote]

    Upon second viewing, I noticed Locke’s foster mom called her daughter “Melissa!” so this can’t be the Jeannie that Locke told the story about. Maybe there’s another sister, or maybe Locke moved on to another foster home at some point?

    Just found this blog, and this is some great discussion. Hope you don’t mind if I chime in! I’m a Lost-aholic, too :)[/quote]
    ————
    TY Starla and welcome to the blog. I didn’t catch the mom saying Melissa.

  342. Cindy says:

    [quote comment="219447"]There should be no doubt that Ben is manipulating Locke and his whole “the island loves you better” is just a play on Locke’s desire to be loved. He as much said so with his comment to John about getting Hurley to stay.

    “He believed it was his idea, John.”

    “No, I’m not you.”

    “You’re certainly not.”

    Locke is played again.

    Also – not sure I’d turn my back to Ben next to the Big Dharma Death Pit – AGAIN.[/quote]

    I thought this scene was important because of all the destiny talk that goes on… I really think that the show is less about true destiny and more about how everyone is manipulated into thinking they are making their own choices when they are actually being made for them. Especially now that we are getting more clues about the way that each person got on oceanic 815.

  343. docjock says:

    “Maybe Locke really doesn’t have it in him to be the island ‘Overlord’.” – DocH

    He doesn’t. They’ve shown us multiple times that Locke is unfit to rule.

    I agree with the Des-in-waiting theory.

    Actually, I’ve thought Des might be Jacob for a bit now.

  344. Tasha says:

    I have read through most of the posts and sometimes I have a hard time remembering when things are said about certain subjects. I watched the episode again and I am back to Micheal not being able to die.

    I have a little bit of a theory but not sure if anyone had said this before. I know alot about sending the mind into the future and stuff has been talked about but if someone else has said this just let me know.

    Is it possible that the island is running in the past? Like maybe on the island it’s not 2004 but maybe its 1990 or something. I am just throwing a date out there. Has anyone on the island ever actually confirmed the actual date?

    I was thinking that nobody is aging because the same time keeps playing over and over on the island. Like with Horace and the cutting down of the tree. Maybe time was playing over every 108 minutes? I do remember Ben saying once to Albert…something about remembering when they did celebrate birthdays or something.

    If this is somehow possible…it could be why certain people can’t die. Let’s say Christian for instance is dead….but they crash on the island and its really 1990. Then he is really not dead yet so that is how its possible that he is still alive?

    This next part I have a hard time believing but if they crash in 2004…and time is stuck back in another year, then Aaron isn’t even conceived or born yet. So I don’t have an explanation for this…I am trying to still figure out how that plays into the way Claire is acting. I just didn’t want to forget anything else on my mind.

    Maybe something in this can explain Micheal not being able to die. Not sure. Maybe this is the whole undead theory people are talking about.

    I think I may need to attend a LAA meeting.

  345. RGS says:

    [quote comment="220248"][quote comment="219447"]There should be no doubt that Ben is manipulating Locke and his whole “the island loves you better” is just a play on Locke’s desire to be loved. He as much said so with his comment to John about getting Hurley to stay.

    “He believed it was his idea, John.”

    “No, I’m not you.”

    “You’re certainly not.”

    Locke is played again.

    Also – not sure I’d turn my back to Ben next to the Big Dharma Death Pit – AGAIN.[/quote]

    I thought this scene was important because of all the destiny talk that goes on… I really think that the show is less about true destiny and more about how everyone is manipulated into thinking they are making their own choices when they are actually being made for them. Especially now that we are getting more clues about the way that each person got on oceanic 815.[/quote]

    But isn’t what you stated a definition of destiny?

  346. Tasha says:

    Has anyone related this episode to the title????

  347. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="219970"]I just rewatched and looked at screencaps, so the secondary protocol had the orchid logo on it, so it is likely that’s where Keamy believes they are headed. It makes sense that it is a secondary protocol because Widmore probably is reluctant to let folks know about the teleportation device or whatever is located there.
    [/quote]
    ++++++++++++++
    The Orchid makes as much sense at the Temple IMO as to where Keamy thinks Ben is going. If Keamy thinks that Ben knows the island is going to be torched, then he could assume that Ben would be trying maybe get off the island until the smoke clears. If the Orchid is used to “leave” the island…you have a good point.

    BTW, Happy Mother’s day to all you mothers, and happy Mutha’s day to all you Mutha’s. ;)

  348. DocH says:

    [quote]
    … so the secondary protocol had the orchid logo on it, so it is likely that’s where Keamy believes they are headed.
    [/quote]
    My thought is that the ‘teleportation/time travel’ folks (smart as they are) are probably responsible for writing/developing the ‘secondary protocol’ and not that the ‘orchid’ station is the actual target. [hint: You never see classified targets on the covers of classified documents.]
    – – – –
    Someone mentioned a brain teaser, I like.
    [quote]
    … the Aaron that Sawyer found was not the real Aaron, but was a duplicate baby, like the extra rabbit that popped into the Orchid.
    [/quote]
    #15 on the diaper?
    – – – –
    LOST (HUMOR) WHAT IFs.

    Ben: “I am sorry John, I can’t let you move the island.”

    John: “Don’t tell me what I can’t do!”

    Ben: “Very funny John. How many times are you going to use that old nugget?”

    John: “Alright then, why not?”

    Ben: “Because John, your Island Operators License says you are limited to automatic transmissions John… This is a very old island John!… You have to be able to drive a stick John!”

  349. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="220253"]If this is somehow possible… it could be why certain people can’t die. Let’s say Christian for instance is dead….but they crash on the island and its really 1990. Then he is really not dead yet so that is how its possible that he is still alive?

    This next part I have a hard time believing but if they crash in 2004…and time is stuck back in another year, then Aaron isn’t even conceived or born yet. So I don’t have an explanation for this…I am trying to still figure out how that plays into the way Claire is acting. I just didn’t want to forget anything else on my mind.

    Maybe something in this can explain Micheal not being able to die. Not sure. Maybe this is the whole undead theory people are talking about.

    I think I may need to attend a LAA meeting.[/quote]

    Versions of your theory have been tossed around before, Tasha. And unlike a lot of older theories, this one gets MORE plausible as the episodes evolve, not less so.

    It explains why Rose is healed – she reverts to a time before cancer. Locke reverts to a time before he lost the use of his legs. And yet, he should also be reverting to a time before he gave his kidney to his dad, but he said that Ben’s bullet didn’t kill him because he didn’t have a kidney there.

    It is possible that is why conceiving on the island gets messed up, but Aaron was conceived off island so he avoided the problem.

    But in returning to “yourself” at a time in the past also means Walt should have been a baby. I think a past version of this theory suggested that you maintain your outer body but your health reverts or something.

    Anyway, I LIKE the theory more than I did the first time I heard it… it will be interesting to see how it plays into things.

    And Hammer, the “mutha’s day” wish was a great chuckle, thanks!

    : ) P

  350. DocH says:

    [quote comment="220256"]
    Has anyone related this episode to the title????
    [/quote]
    I was thinking this yesterday and I don’t think anyone has tackled it head on. We can all make the “Jacobs Cabin” connection. The story was Locke-centric, (and the title is usually about the centric) where we saw baby, 5yo & 16yo Locke. We saw his mom, the night she was hit by the car, fighting with her mom to get out of the house (did she had Cabin Fever?). I associate Cabin Fever with being snowbound for most of the wintry season, looking at the same four walls. Island Fever is suffered by people living in confined isolated communities, cutoff from civilization at large. Fever? Maybe something to do with the sickness occurring/disappearing on the island?

    My best guess is still that the title was about Jacob’s cabin, Locke dream of dead Dharmites, and his interface with CS & Claire.

  351. Circus Mom says:

    Couple other notes about Lockes flashbacks.

    In the hospital the nurse mentions several problems that Locke had such as infections. She says he is the youngest premie to survive in that hospital and that he is a miracle.

    When Alpert comes to test Locke his Foster mom says something to him about being on his best behavior. She says it like she expects him to do something wrong. After Alpert leaves she says “What did you do”, again like she thinks Locke is a troublemaker.

    Wondering if he is a troublemaker at that age or if her thinking it is why Locke is moved.

    Also wondering if Alpert had him moved to better prepare him and if A;pert had anything to do with why he survived as a premie.

  352. Tasha says:

    Thanks Hammer for the Mother’s Day wish for everyone. It was funny! When asked what I wanted to do on my day….I said watch all of season 4 of Lost again!

  353. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="220256"]Has anyone related this episode to the title????[/quote]
    I figured it was just a play on words. John Locke had cabin fever because he was obsessed with finding it.

  354. leah says:

    may i just say ,there are 353 spoilers before this post .since some of us have got a over week before we see cabin fever.only just watched something nice back home ,tonight,this evening, earlier??? its 1.04 am in the uk at the moment.Its not fair ,so if anyone is reading this blog is important enough to do something about it,sort it out!or at least let us download the latest aired episode, before its shown to the babble.

  355. Tasha says:

    I think it can be watched at abc.com can’t it?

  356. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="220337"]may i just say ,there are 353 spoilers before this post .since some of us have got a over week before we see cabin fever.only just watched something nice back home ,tonight,this evening, earlier??? its 1.04 am in the uk at the moment.Its not fair ,so if anyone is reading this blog is important enough to do something about it,sort it out!or at least let us download the latest aired episode, before its shown to the babble.[/quote]
    +++++++++++
    Best bet is don’t read the posts on the episode you havn’t seen yet. I know it’s hard not too and you don’t get many replys on the previous posts after we have moved on, but could you wait a week to post after watching. I know the rest of us can’t. It’s hare enough to avoid the previews.

    I will check the previous weeks posts if I know there are new postings there.

    Wish there was a better way.

  357. Rita says:

    [quote comment="219302"]So… in the infamous words of Hammer H. Hammerstein… its’ Bedtime for Gonzo

    (Bonzo. I know – famous acting chimp.)

    Only three more hours of LOST this season, one hour next week and two hours three weeks from tonight. Que Malo![/quote]
    ********************************
    If only there were 3 more hours, and not 3 sets of about 35 minutes with 25 endless minutes of commerials!!!

  358. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="220346"][quote comment="219302"]So… in the infamous words of Hammer H. Hammerstein… its’ Bedtime for Gonzo

    (Bonzo. I know – famous acting chimp.)

    Only three more hours of LOST this season, one hour next week and two hours three weeks from tonight. Que Malo![/quote]
    ********************************
    If only there were 3 more hours, and not 3 sets of about 35 minutes with 25 endless minutes of commerials!!![/quote]
    +++++++++++++++
    Good point Rita.

    Which reminds me…DocH…why Gonzo instead of Bonzo?

    Are you a friend of Ted Nugent? Hang out with the Muppets?

    Or (my favorite) are you a Whisperer and we have found THE Dr. “Gonzo” Hunter S. Thompson??? Hmmmm….DocH(unter)?

  359. Deangoodes says:

    Has anyone mentioned that MAYBE Frank is going to crash the chopper into the island on purpose to stop Keamy and the mercenaries from doing any killing? And he turned on the SAT phone (and protected it) so Jack could find the wreckage?? It would seem like a heroic (and smart) thing to do to save the Losties.

  360. lost4ever says:

    I watched it again and am still struggling with the Abaddon/Alpert connection to Pre-island Locke.

    1.Did Alpert travel through time to those periods of Locke’s life and is really not the ageless wonder we are led to beleive?

    2.Did Abaddon know about the Alpert visits to Locke?

    3. It seemed like they were both trying to “recruit” Locke for the island. Are they on different “sides” or do they both work for the same common goal?

  361. DocH says:

    [quote comment="220348"]
    Which reminds me…DocH…why Gonzo instead of Bonzo? Are you a friend of Ted Nugent? Hang out with the Muppets? Or (my favorite) are you a Whisperer and we have found THE Dr. “Gonzo” Hunter S. Thompson??? Hmmmm….DocH(unter)?
    [/quote]
    (i am still reeling from the 4 hour mothers day call, but…)
    Damn you Hamr. Do you have a candid camera in my drive-way? Yes we officially adopted the motor city mad man here in Texas after you forfeited custody. The only thing muppet about me is the half pound of extra crisp miss piggy I inhale every morning for breakfast. And the HS Thompson… well… uh… that’s uh… spot on. “Fear and Loathing on the Stanley Cup Trail” is my next novel… lest the Wings take a dive this week.

    (Thompson?… uncanny, really getting paranoid here, must check the Cadillac convertible for tracking devices… HamR=FBI).

  362. DocH says:

    [quote comment="220349"]
    Has anyone mentioned that MAYBE Frank is going to crash the chopper into the island on purpose to stop Keamy and the mercs…
    [/quote]
    He does that and one of the mercs might live AND still have all of the ammo & rockets. A crash at sea would be better as that stuff wound sink, and out of reach of the bad-guys that may survive.

  363. Bobola says:

    [quote comment="219580"][quote comment="219575"]
    The preview shows…
    [/quote]
    Without rules there is anarchy.[/quote]

    Oh heavens, run for the hills…someone discussed the preview which NO ONE watched…except for every single person who watches the show. Maybe best to look that word up?

  364. Tasha says:

    [quote comment="220276"][quote comment="220256"]
    Has anyone related this episode to the title????
    [/quote]
    I was thinking this yesterday and I don’t think anyone has tackled it head on. We can all make the “Jacobs Cabin” connection. The story was Locke-centric, (and the title is usually about the centric) where we saw baby, 5yo & 16yo Locke. We saw his mom, the night she was hit by the car, fighting with her mom to get out of the house (did she had Cabin Fever?). I associate Cabin Fever with being snowbound for most of the wintry season, looking at the same four walls. Island Fever is suffered by people living in confined isolated communities, cutoff from civilization at large. Fever? Maybe something to do with the sickness occurring/disappearing on the island?

    My best guess is still that the title was about Jacob’s cabin, Locke dream of dead Dharmites, and his interface with CS & Claire.[/quote]

    When Regina jumped off the boat, the captain says that she and some of the crew “have been dealing with, what may best be described as a heightened case of cabin fever.” He thinks that may be what is wrong with Keemie. Cabin fever can make you a little crazy. Hurley says his theory on why they can see the cabin is because they are the craziest. Lastly, we all say Claire is acting like she is dead and something was wrong with her. Well in another perspective she acted a little nuts. She was acting crazy, like maybe she had cabin fever. You can also get cabin fever from being on a deserted island. Stephen King’s The Shining is the most famous stories about cabin fever.

    All this with what you said makes this a very fitting title for this episode. IMO

  365. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="220349"]Has anyone mentioned that MAYBE Frank is going to crash the chopper into the island on purpose to stop Keamy and the mercenaries from doing any killing? And he turned on the SAT phone (and protected it) so Jack could find the wreckage?? It would seem like a heroic (and smart) thing to do to save the Losties.[/quote]

    I was thinking that maybe Frank was going to bail out and let the helicopter crash at sea PAST the island. So he would need the Losties to have a working Sat Phone so Frank could find THEM. What worries me is that the Sat Phone may be what ultimately LEADS Keamy’s group to FIND the Losties!

    Something that’s got me puzzled is Keamy’s arm band thing. I feel like it is some kind of explosive device, perhaps as someone suggested so that if his pulse isn’t detected, it sets of the detonator. But why would a hired mercenary give up his life for the cause? Isn’t the job about killing and moving on? Rather than taking a hit for the team? And if it is “the sickness” that is making him do it, why are his comrades allowing it? Perhaps someone has a figurative gun to Keamy’s head… holding his family hostage or something?

    Final question for this evening… is this “three hour, two part season finale” going to count as three episodes? We were promised 48 episodes over seasons four, five and six. I know it seems a bit petty, but TECHNICALLY, this is one EPISODE, and they have not been shy about saying so! (I am just trying to squeeze every last second out before the FINAL LOST finale.)

    : ) P

  366. spiralturtle says:

    [quote comment="219296"][quote comment="219291"]
    …so all of you, i win
    [/quote]
    cool – you win. (what exactly?) okay, go hit the showers stud. we will call you back in january when we need another winning touchdown. in the mean time we will look back at everything you have prophesized and see how accurate those things are.
    also, we read your theory several weeks before you posted it, so – brilliant victory for you.[/quote]

    Don’t forget the posting rules… One of which is, be kind and helpful. Mocking other people is mean and nasty!!!

  367. spiralturtle says:

    [quote comment="219296"][quote comment="219291"]
    …so all of you, i win
    [/quote]
    cool – you win. (what exactly?) okay, go hit the showers stud. we will call you back in january when we need another winning touchdown. in the mean time we will look back at everything you have prophesized and see how accurate those things are.
    also, we read your theory several weeks before you posted it, so – brilliant victory for you.[/quote]

    Don’t forget the posting rules… One of which is, be kind and helpful. Mocking other people is mean and nasty!!!

  368. spiralturtle says:

    [quote comment="219481"]I don’t understand what makes people like Locke so special! WHY CAN’T I BE SPECIAL? Why can’t I be chosen to crash on some island and take over? I want to be there so bad! I want to be on just ONE episode SOOOO bad! I want to crash on an island and find out I am special!

    Okay sorry. I was having a moment.[/quote]

    *********************

    I feel your pain. Of course, Tasha, we ALL want that!! That’s why we’re members of LAA!!

  369. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="220372"]
    Something that’s got me puzzled is Keamy’s arm band thing. I feel like it is some kind of explosive device, perhaps as someone suggested so that if his pulse isn’t detected, it sets of the detonator. [/quote]
    The device looks something similar to a metronome. I am not sure how it relates to Keamy but as someone suggested it must have something to do with his pulse. Here is a picture

  370. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="220365"][quote comment="219580"][quote comment="219575"]
    The preview shows…
    [/quote]
    Without rules there is anarchy.[/quote]

    Oh heavens, run for the hills…someone discussed the preview which NO ONE watched…except for every single person who watches the show. Maybe best to look that word up?[/quote]
    ———–
    rule- a prescribed guide for conduct or action.

  371. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="220365"][quote comment="219580"][quote comment="219575"]
    The preview shows…
    [/quote]
    Without rules there is anarchy.[/quote]

    Oh heavens, run for the hills…someone discussed the preview which NO ONE watched…except for every single person who watches the show. Maybe best to look that word up?[/quote]
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    I have never watched a preview for an episode that hasn’t aired yet.

  372. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="219983"]One more thought:
    How on earth are we going to pass the time between May 22 and January, 2009? Throw us a bone, LOST![/quote]
    If this makes it any easier, the last two-hours of this season’s finale air on May 29 (which will make the break between May 15 and May 29 a long two weeks).

  373. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="220512"]I have never watched a preview for an episode that hasn’t aired yet.[/quote]

    I can’t say NEVER because sometimes I can’t get the remote to turn the tv off fast enough. But when I HAVE seen the promos, I have found that they have ONLY been misleading. They are usually edited in a way which makes things look vastly different than when the episode airs.

    A good example of this is the preview for “Something Nice Back Home.” The preview made it look as though Aaron was crying in the jungle right NEXT to Keamy and his band of merry men, putting the Losties in mortal danger. In the actual episode, yes, Aaron cried, but not when Keamy was around. And yes, Keamy made that “just sat on a pickle” face and looked around, but it had nothing to do with the Losties. Creative editing.

    So with that in mind, the “no discussion of previews” rule makes even MORE sense. Why discuss something that ISN’T going to happen the way the previews LEAD us to believe they will.

    : ) P

  374. DocH says:

    [quote comment="220506"]
    The device looks something similar to a metronome. I am not sure how it relates to Keamy but as someone suggested it must have something to do with his pulse…
    [/quote]
    I read that… “the device strapped to Keamy’s arm appears to be a modified Korg MA-30 metronome.”
    Makes sense! With all of the ‘time out of sync’ issues in the story – that Keamy wears something that “Keeps Time”. Maybe the metronome is his ‘Constant’… so he doesn’t phase-out or get sick, although he already ssems a bit ‘touched in the head’. I always figured he just had ‘roid rage’.

  375. wally p says:

    [quote comment="219322"]“Mittelos Technologies”… Isle O Time Technologies, in Portland[/quote]

    Have I met you in another life?

  376. spiralturtle says:

    [quote comment="220080"]Here’s a thought: What if Claire didn’t actually die until she fell asleep at the campsite with Sawyer & Miles? Maybe she had some kind of internal injury from the blast that didn’t kill her initially but was some kind of slow internal bleed. So since she was still alive after the blast, Sawyer would obviously be able to see her and pick her up and communicate with her. Later, when they all fell asleep that night, only Miles could see and/or hear Claire get up and leave with Christian because he can somehow communicate with the dead. Claire’s body wasn’t found at the campsite in the morning just as Christian’s body wasn’t in the coffin once the plane crashed on the island. Does that make sense to anyone else?[/quote]

    ]]]]]]]]

    There would’ve been a body left behind…

  377. docjock says:

    It look like it IS a metronome but, I’m betting it isn’t supposed to BE a metronome (prop).

    Definitely a “no-pulse detonator” from the “you don’t want to do that” threat.

    The mystery is what does it activate?

  378. wally p says:

    [quote comment="219320"]one last thought. john died at birth. maybe his mom reaklized theat and couldn’t pretend he was alive–she could see it and others could not. maybe the reason charles widmore can’t be killed is that he’s already dead. what if christian has always been dead?[/quote]

    I like this one… he was way premature. Maybe a clue could have been grandma lighting that cigarette in the room, although, she seemed like the type who would just light a cigarette around a premie newborn anyway… but also, mom wanted to hold him at first… then she couldn’t… just couldn’t… and stormed out the door.

    Either way, Locke has always had the ability to stay alive. Remember “ooops, no bullets” when Jack tried to kill him?

    Also, I like John Locke, but his visions are always a little on the warped side… like he almost fully gets it, but misses something, and then screws everything up… like he did back at the pot commune.

    Something is wrong if the island really wants John Locke, cuz I think, he’s still not ready.

  379. Bobola says:

    [quote comment="220515"][quote comment="220512"]I have never watched a preview for an episode that hasn’t aired yet.[/quote]

    I can’t say NEVER because sometimes I can’t get the remote to turn the tv off fast enough. But when I HAVE seen the promos, I have found that they have ONLY been misleading. They are usually edited in a way which makes things look vastly different than when the episode airs.

    A good example of this is the preview for “Something Nice Back Home.” The preview made it look as though Aaron was crying in the jungle right NEXT to Keamy and his band of merry men, putting the Losties in mortal danger. In the actual episode, yes, Aaron cried, but not when Keamy was around. And yes, Keamy made that “just sat on a pickle” face and looked around, but it had nothing to do with the Losties. Creative editing.

    So with that in mind, the “no discussion of previews” rule makes even MORE sense. Why discuss something that ISN’T going to happen the way the previews LEAD us to believe they will.

    : ) P[/quote]

    Wow, better keep that old remote closer by from now on!
    But let’s get real; MOST people do watch the previews and seeing a scene where Sayid is about 6 feet from the beach in the Zodiac boat most likely means; he got back there unless the island “moves’ in the next nanosecond.

    And I didn’t mean look up the word RULE; I meant look up ANARCHY.
    Besides; I like the old saying; Rules were meant to be broken…and in this case…no anarchy…just some rule bending. But Ok, I’ll stop discussing Previews; I do agree they sometimes trick us.
    I will now go back to being my usual kind and helpful self. My bad.

    Funny comment about the armband thing being a metronome; ha! Maybe he wants to kill people in time?

    Odd how many guys on the island always have a clean shave yet we seldom see anyone shaving. Also; I don’t remember anyone complaining about mosquitos. I’m the sort of person who always likes the small touches that underline reality. That’s why I loved the candy bar share scene so much.

  380. Miraks says:

    I do think that Cooper is John’s real dad. I kind off started saying this above. but I’ll explain better.
    Locke was born at the end of the second tri-mester in his mom’s pregnancy. He survived all kids of infections and was doing fine. This is the stage at which children/ women on the island die. SO- if mothers on the island COULD have their kids at the stage in their pregnancies when Emily had John, chances are that BOTH mother and child would survive. BUT, that something SPECIAL in John that made him live, IS what the island people need to figure out/ are after.
    IMO Alpert got interested in John AFTER hearing/ finding out about this baby that survived being born really prematurely, NOT BEFORE.
    Ben was born prematurely, too, though not quite as early as John (beginning of third tri-mester), so while John was not ready, Ben might have been a pseudo- interim- leader.

  381. docjock says:

    Can anyone confirm or deny the “Claire/Emilie is a problem on the set” rumor?

    If true, it would give cause for a shift in the “Aaron must be raised by Claire” axiom. My thoughts trend toward “Aaron must be raised by Sawyer/Kate” (due to recent action) if Emilie is losing her job.

    Sorry to break the 4th wall but, hey it spills over onto our puzzle.

  382. Donger says:

    [quote comment="219291"]Pretty sure that my idea was shot down a few weeks ago by some people and this week only affirmed what I had said…the island is movable or even is always moving, but can move at different points…so all of you, i win[/quote]

    You’re a winner.

  383. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="220524"]
    Something is wrong if the island really wants John Locke, cuz I think, he’s still not ready.[/quote]
    I think the island needs Locke to “move” it. I think it’s weird that he tells Ben we have to move the island. Implying Ben doesn’t know, at this point, the island can be moved. But I could be totally wrong about that. I just think that if Ben could have “moved” it, he would have already.

  384. lola says:

    [quote comment="220337"]may i just say ,there are 353 spoilers before this post .since some of us have got a over week before we see cabin fever.only just watched something nice back home ,tonight,this evening, earlier??? its 1.04 am in the uk at the moment.Its not fair ,so if anyone is reading this blog is important enough to do something about it,sort it out!or at least let us download the latest aired episode, before its shown to the babble.[/quote]
    why don’t you just not read the blog until you have seen the episode?

  385. Donger says:

    yeah, that stopped being funny over a week ago.

  386. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="220526"]
    Ben was born prematurely, too, though not quite as early as John (beginning of third tri-mester), so while John was not ready, Ben might have been a pseudo- interim- leader.[/quote]
    Ben’s birth was in the third trimester. Isn’t that about the same time that the pregnant women on the island die? That’s kind of ironic that pregnant island women die at the same time as Ben’s mother. Maybe, ultimately, without knowing, Ben is the reason that pregnant women die on the island in their third trimester.

  387. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="220525"]Odd how many guys on the island always have a clean shave yet we seldom see anyone shaving. Also; I don’t remember anyone complaining about mosquitos. I’m the sort of person who always likes the small touches that underline reality. That’s why I loved the candy bar share scene so much.[/quote]

    I agree. I mean no one wants to SEE the girls shaving their legs, or hear about the lack of feminine hygiene products, or what have you, but bug bites and no toilet paper could be made into a little humor to add to the reality. I have previously joked that there must have been a shipment of Widmore razors on the plane or something!

    : ) P

  388. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="219322"]“Mittelos Technologies”… Isle O Time Technologies, in Portland[/quote]

    Well no, Isle O Time is not a true anagram because Mittelos has TWO T’s and ONE E and you used ONE T and TWO E’s.

    I think a correct anagram might be LOST TIME, which has been mentioned before.

    : ) P

  389. Tasha says:

    [quote comment="220541"][quote comment="219322"]“Mittelos Technologies”… Isle O Time Technologies, in Portland[/quote]

    Well no, Isle O Time is not a true anagram because Mittelos has TWO T’s and ONE E and you used ONE T and TWO E’s.

    I think a correct anagram might be LOST TIME, which has been mentioned before.

    : ) P[/quote]

    The question is…is it “LOST TIME” or “TIME LOST?”

  390. Bailey Loves Lost says:

    [quote comment="219975"]When Locke questioned ‘altered’ Claire as to the whereabouts of Aaron, CS said, “Aaron is where he is supposed to be.”
    The last we saw of Aaron, he was with Sawyer. Is that where he is supposed to be? Why with Sawyer?[/quote]
    *******
    I was wondering the same thing. Could it be because Sawyer wants to stay on the island and Aaron needs to be on the island? That would make sense then why Jack isn’t supposed to raise him.
    Also, are there any theories as to how/why Christian Shephard is alive? I was rewatching the first season and I remember Jack finding his coffin, but it was empty.

  391. wally p says:

    [quote comment="219487"][quote comment="219478"][quote comment="219252"][quote comment="219247"]
    Now that he has chosen not to murder (his dad), he has in essence chosen the light side. Thus he has finaly arrived (in a spiritual sense) on the Island of his destiny.[/quote]

    But he set Sawyer up to kill him. That doesn’t matter? It’s been a while since I’ve seen those epis but I thought Locke was just punking out, not because he didn’t want to kill a person.[/quote]

    I thought punking out too, but all of this makes sense now. Ben knew that Locke was moving in on him. He also knows that the act of killing makes you lose your power. I always thought in the end of season three that Locke and Ben seemed like old High School arch enemies, like they had a former grudge, right? since John Locke busted into Bens office “wheres the submarine” The two are intertwined somehow. Constants?
    Heres the thing though, if Locke knew he couldn’t kill his father because the island would condem him for killing, than why did he have no trouble killing Naomi? He’s already screwed up… he know s it too, he’s just stubborn like that, and will probably make some trouble.

    Richard Alpert is the root of all evil BTW. I say he’s dead, before I say he’s a time traveler, because time travelers still retain their same physical age… the time travel is all mental.

    Just poppin off theories here… cant wait till next week

  392. DocH says:

    [quote comment="220523"]
    … I’m betting it isn’t supposed to BE a metronome (prop). Definitely a “no-pulse detonator” from the “you don’t want to do that” threat…
    [/quote]
    LOST usually has very good “attention to detail” when it comes to props & continuity. While I think a metronome is probably just a metronome… I agree with you they MAY be using it to simulate a detonator. And by “no-pulse”, I assume you mean something like “dead-man switch”… like if Keamy goes down & dies, then BLAMMO! the whole place blows-up and the secondary protocol is satisfied. (no?)

    As a somewhat selfish mercenary (read – thug for hire), Keamy doesn’t satisfy my criteria as a self-sacrificing ‘human-bomb’. But I could be wrong.

    [quote]
    You’re a winner.
    [/quote]
    True, but we are all winners here when we engage in civilized (well-researched, respectful & somewhat insightful) debate. We are losers when we digress to ‘crap-flinging primates’ swinging from the trees… like 90% of the OTHER ‘Lost’ blogs out there. [;^)

    [quote comment="220540"]
    I agree. I mean no one wants to SEE the girls shaving their legs…
    [/quote]
    speak for yourself! [;^)
    ditto for slumber parties and pillow fights…

  393. Myra says:

    So, it seems that the only ones left on the freightor is Desmond and Michael.

    I’m trying to understand what Keamy was thinking when he left to go “torch the island”. How was he planning on coming back to the freightor – from his perspective, he just killed the captain and the doctor, and he knew Michael, Sayid and Desmond were the only ones left (by my count) and yet he still took off and left them alone. Did he think it was a one way ticket?

    After getting the engine back up and working, what’s stopping Desmond and Michael from moving the freightor??

  394. DocH says:

    [quote comment="219247"]
    Alpert with young Locke: Knife,…
    Why the anger and storming out by Richard?[/quote]
    [quote comment="219252"]
    Baffled by why he was angry about the knife, especially knowing that he ends up being a knife expert?
    [/quote]
    Just reading back thru the comments – thinking aloud – Waaalllttt! Seem to remember that master Walt was pretty proficient with the knife throwing too, after only a lesson or two. Michael was ticked at John to boot. Maybe the knife is the key. Walt, like Locke, is not the best choice for the island. Alpert knows why… we don’t. Knife – a potential weapon for violence? Jacob & Alpert (natives) are pacifists? Debugging that last question – Alpert recruiting Juliet, her ex getting hit by the bus… Alpert was not behind that assassination. Ben was – contrary to Alpert’s standards. Ben is out, as we now know, because he is behind all of the assassinations… (that official changes my position that he was not behind the death of Nadia… he may be.)

  395. DocH says:

    [quote comment="220554"]
    I’m trying to understand what Keamy was thinking when he left to go “torch the island”. How was he planning on coming back to the freightor – from his perspective, he just killed the captain and the doctor, and he knew Michael, Sayid and Desmond were the only ones left (by my count) and yet he still took off and left them alone. Did he think it was a one way ticket?
    [/quote]
    Excellent points. Keamy on a one way mission? Trying to formulate a response… the only thing I could imagine is that Keamy thinks he knows how to leave the island – from the island. In addition to what you mentioned about the freighter, its engines were also inoperative. So if Keamy plans to finish his mission AND return to safety, then he must know something about the island and how to get to/from it. His ‘secondary protocol’ did have and Orchid Station stamp on it. Maybe he plans to exit through the ‘time/space portal’ process that we suspect exists.

  396. roses12 says:

    hi great epi. I so want ben and locke to be related. So I checked out the three potential moms. very little facial features in common. so trying to prove Emily Anabeth Locke (senior) was a fake and found out she was in Santa Rosa Mental Health Institute. That makes her seem an unlikely conspirator to chose if I was a conman with my life on the line. What would be her motivation to go along with it? How would she be relied opon to give a consistent story to locke? So reckon shes the real deal. bummer. also locke’s Dad cannt be Alpert or his kidney wouldn’t have been a match with con dad.

    like the theory he was conceived on island., and yet didnt die despite everyone medical expecting him too. faith v medicine again.

  397. Tasha says:

    [quote comment="220552"][quote comment="219487"][quote comment="219478"][quote comment="219252"][quote comment="219247"]
    Now that he has chosen not to murder (his dad), he has in essence chosen the light side. Thus he has finaly arrived (in a spiritual sense) on the Island of his destiny.[/quote]

    But he set Sawyer up to kill him. That doesn’t matter? It’s been a while since I’ve seen those epis but I thought Locke was just punking out, not because he didn’t want to kill a person.[/quote]

    I thought punking out too, but all of this makes sense now. Ben knew that Locke was moving in on him. He also knows that the act of killing makes you lose your power. I always thought in the end of season three that Locke and Ben seemed like old High School arch enemies, like they had a former grudge, right? since John Locke busted into Bens office “wheres the submarine”

    The two are intertwined somehow. Constants?
    Heres the thing though, if Locke knew he couldn’t kill his father because the island would condem him for killing, than why did he have no trouble killing Naomi? He’s already screwed up… he know s it too, he’s just stubborn like that, and will probably make some trouble.
    [/quote]

    Maybe he can kill if its to protect the island.

  398. Lins says:

    [quote comment="220555"][quote comment="219247"]
    Alpert with young Locke: Knife,…
    Why the anger and storming out by Richard?[/quote]
    [quote comment="219252"]
    Baffled by why he was angry about the knife, especially knowing that he ends up being a knife expert?
    [/quote]
    Just reading back thru the comments – thinking aloud – Waaalllttt! Seem to remember that master Walt was pretty proficient with the knife throwing too, after only a lesson or two. Michael was ticked at John to boot. Maybe the knife is the key. Walt, like Locke, is not the best choice for the island. Alpert knows why… we don’t. Knife – a potential weapon for violence? Jacob & Alpert (natives) are pacifists? Debugging that last question – Alpert recruiting Juliet, her ex getting hit by the bus… Alpert was not behind that assassination. Ben was – contrary to Alpert’s standards. Ben is out, as we now know, because he is behind all of the assassinations… (that official changes my position that he was not behind the death of Nadia… he may be.)[/quote]

    *******************
    That makes sense when you think back to the interactions between Alpert and Ben, it seems like Alpert is always second-guessing Ben’s irrational, destructive-type decisions…trying to get him to think things through and see if there is another way to accomplish things without violence.

  399. cw says:

    so here’s one ….

    Danielle is Horace’s wife !

  400. roses12 says:

    who can not die, locke, michael?

    but ben, jack can.

    it cann’t be related to killing because they all have. i also dont think it is related to protecting the island because michael couldn’t kill himself before he started protecting the island.

  401. DocH says:

    [quote comment="220561"]
    That makes sense when you think back to the interactions between Alpert and Ben, it seems like Alpert is always second-guessing Ben’s irrational, destructive-type decisions…trying to get him to think things through and see if there is another way to accomplish things without violence.
    [/quote]
    Poking holes – but… Alpert did ‘gas’ Dharma folks during the Purge. Maybe he can only kill on the island OR in defense of the island OR Ben talked him into the Purge and now Alpert regrets it (aka. ‘selling his soul’ and must forever serve Ben). That could be it – FF Sayid replaces FB/current Alpert – “Soul For Sale” !

  402. Lins says:

    [quote comment="220564"][quote comment="220561"]
    That makes sense when you think back to the interactions between Alpert and Ben, it seems like Alpert is always second-guessing Ben’s irrational, destructive-type decisions…trying to get him to think things through and see if there is another way to accomplish things without violence.
    [/quote]
    Poking holes – but… Alpert did ‘gas’ Dharma folks during the Purge. Maybe he can only kill on the island OR in defense of the island OR Ben talked him into the Purge and now Alpert regrets it (aka. ‘selling his soul’ and must forever serve Ben).

    That could be it – FF Sayid replaces FB/current Alpert – “Soul For Sale” ![/quote]

    *********************
    Maybe it’s some kind of “for the greater good” reasoning. The Dharma people had to die? Who knows…that Alpert…he’s a tricky one!

  403. Can't Get Enough says:

    How do y’all do that really cool cut & paste quote thing?

  404. skyky says:

    It doesn’t look like anyone has touched on this but does anyone else think “moving the island” means moving it in time, not in geographic position?

  405. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="220580"]How do y’all do that really cool cut & paste quote thing?[/quote]

    On your comment, number 403, there is your user name, and then under that is the comment number and the time it was posted, then “Quote and Reply.” Just click on “Q & R” on any quote you want to reply to and then type at the bottom of the box.

    HTH,
    : ) P

  406. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="220586"]It doesn’t look like anyone has touched on this but does anyone else think “moving the island” means moving it in time, not in geographic position?[/quote]

    Comment #271. Thank you.

  407. Can't Get Enough says:

    [quote comment="220587"][quote comment="220580"]How do y’all do that really cool cut & paste quote thing?[/quote]

    On your comment, number 403, there is your user name, and then under that is the comment number and the time it was posted, then “Quote and Reply.” Just click on “Q & R” on any quote you want to reply to and then type at the bottom of the box.

    HTH,
    : ) P[/quote]

    Thank you so much! That was way too easy :)

  408. andrew says:

    personally I think the armband thing on keamy will somehow stop the smokemonster. Because a) it would probably say in the protocol booklet how to stop or get by the security system (aka smoky) and b) y would they go back knowing that there’s a 50 foot pilar of smoke that they can’t stop. I mean smokey’s the whole reason they fled the first time right?

  409. Tasha says:

    [quote comment="220612"]personally I think the armband thing on keamy will somehow stop the smokemonster. Because a) it would probably say in the protocol booklet how to stop or get by the security system (aka smoky)

    and b) y would they go back knowing that there’s a 50 foot pilar of smoke that they can’t stop. I mean smokey’s the whole reason they fled the first time right?[/quote]

    What gets me is the whole…”I wouldn’t do that if I were you.” Made it sound more like a threat. I took it as….”if you kill me you are going to regret it.” I got the whole pulse idea from the episode with Sawyer amd the creepy white bunny. It was the opposite effect bur I think it’s keeping track of a pulse. When his pulse stops something big is gonna happen. He probably will use it to his advantage with Ben. Or try. IMO
    I never get anything right when it comes to theories. The way this show is it can go either way. I mean WHY would they go back and try to fight Smokey??

  410. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="220552"] the time travel is all mental.[/quote]
    I think the orchid film with the #15 rabbit and Ben’s latest FF prove this otherwise.
    [quote comment="220553"]
    LOST usually has very good “attention to detail” when it comes to props & continuity. As a somewhat selfish mercenary (read – thug for hire), Keamy doesn’t satisfy my criteria as a self-sacrificing ‘human-bomb’. But I could be wrong.
    [/quote]
    While I disagree with the “attention to detail” comment ( there have been numerous bloopers and continuity errors ), I agree that Keamy is not a suicidal bomber. He is a merc. His goal is the money UNLESS he has a personal vendetta against Ben or someone on the island. He also may well know of a way off the island.

  411. lost4ever says:

    Abaddon tells Locke to only bring his “knife and his wits.” I wonder what Naomi is thinking he should have brought? Funny how a knife thrown by Locke ends up killing the woman Abaddon hired.

  412. Rita says:

    [quote comment="219883"]About the freighter tots… We assume Miles is gonna link up with the Losties and Char/Dan, as he is with Sawyer and they are headed seaside with Aaron. Jack is hauling (unwisely?) the Losties toward the attack helo… we assume. What kind of heck is gonna break loose when all factions collide. Mc-sKeamy showed no passion for the freighter scientists in his dialogue with Frank. Do the scientists stand-up and say ‘hey – we are mad as heck and we are not going to take it anymore’, when the mercenaries arrive? My vision is that one or more of them do, then pay the price for it, particularly if they learn the neutral Captain Gault was schwaked. Keamy seems to have a little “roid-rage” going for him, and that does not bode well for a smart-mouthed Charlotte and/or Miles. Flabber-gasted Daniel while likely demure in that scenario…. I worry for Lapidus too. Like Sawyer, I like Frank more and more each episode.[/quote]
    ********************************
    I’m not convinced, as you all are, that Frank DIDN’T mean for Jack and co. to COME to the chopper (rather than avoid it). He could be planning to drop off the mercs, and then go back for Jack’s group in an attempt to rescue them himself and leave the mercs on the island. The O6 group could fit in the chopper, unlike the raft. It could be the last group leaving before the island “moves”. If everyone meets up before that happens, they could each “choose” who will go, thus Sawyer decides to stay (to look for Claire).

  413. roses12 says:

    [quote comment="220614"][quote comment="220612"]personally I think the armband thing on keamy will somehow stop the smokemonster. Because a) it would probably say in the protocol booklet how to stop or get by the security system (aka smoky)

    and b) y would they go back knowing that there’s a 50 foot pilar of smoke that they can’t stop. I mean smokey’s the whole reason they fled the first time right?[/quote]
    …. I mean WHY would they go back and try to fight Smokey??[/quote]

    also if they knew about smokey (or rather those who wrote protocol 2) then surely Keamy team would have been prepared for smokey the first time around. Also I think the freight tots were diversion to cover for Keamy squad’s arrival. this explains alot. i had always wondered why Naomi was the only non civilian on the first away team. makes sense to me now.

  414. wally p says:

    [quote comment="220616"][quote comment="220552"] the time travel is all mental.[/quote]
    I think the orchid film with the #15 rabbit and Ben’s latest FF prove this otherwise.
    [quote comment="220553"][/quote]

    I think I missed this Orchid film that I keep reading about. When was that?

    I figured on time Travel being more of a communication between to periods in time… Like 1996 Desmond communicating through 2004 Desmond. He was still eight years older in 2004 physically. I dont think present Richard jumped into a time machine and went back to 1955 (was that him playing Chuck Berry songs at Emilys High Scool Prom?)… He could possibly communicate with himself in the 1950’s, but he still hasn’t aged, so theres something going on there. Also… some more food for thought… what if Present Locke was puppeting eight year old locke? Playing backgammon, choosing the knife,etc. to ward off Richard Alpert? In some way there is a time cross here, but no one is physically travelling through time (at least i hope not)
    I would like to know more about the Orchid film though, cuz its not ringing any bells. I either missed it or tuned it out…

    ##########[quote comment="220713"][quote comment="219883"][/quote]
    ********************************
    I’m not convinced, as you all are, that Frank DIDN’T mean for Jack and co. to COME to the chopper (rather than avoid it). He could be planning to drop off the mercs, and then go back for Jack’s group in an attempt to rescue them himself and leave the mercs on the island. The O6 group could fit in the chopper, unlike the raft. It could be the last group leaving before the island “moves”. If everyone meets up before that happens, they could each “choose” who will go, thus Sawyer decides to stay (to look for Claire).[/quote]

    YES! I hope that happens. Rock and Roll if it does!

  415. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="220770"]
    I think I missed this Orchid film that I keep reading about. When was that?
    [/quote]
    They showed it at last year’s Comicon festival. It is on lostpedia.com, a good reference for questions regarding the show. Everything on lostpedia is not fact though.

    http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Orchid_Orientation_film

    [quote comment="220770"]
    but no one is physically travelling through time (at least i hope not)
    [/quote]
    We at least know that Ben did. I am not convinced that Alpert is time-traveling either. I have always hoped that time-travel wouldn’t play a big part in the show. It is a possibility though. Alpert could have visited Locke one day at birth, the next day at 5 years old to check his progression.

    Hammer, what if Desmond turning the key, STARTED time moving on the island?

  416. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="220760"]
    …. I mean WHY would they go back and try to fight Smokey??[/quote]

    also if they knew about smokey (or rather those who wrote protocol 2) then surely Keamy team would have been prepared for smokey the first time around. [/quote]
    Excellent point. They would have known about Smokey, Dharma built a fence that had the ability to keep it out. That should have been part of their first mission. Disable Security.

  417. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="220771"]We at least know that Ben did [travel through time]. I am not convinced that Alpert is time-traveling either. I have always hoped that time-travel wouldn’t play a big part in the show. It is a possibility though. Alpert could have visited Locke one day at birth, the next day at 5 years old to check his progression.

    Hammer, what if Desmond turning the key, STARTED time moving on the island?[/quote]

    When you say we know Ben travels in time, to which scenes are you referring? I don’t remember any where we know that he was time traveling. (Then again, since I returned from my trip back to 1976, my memory has been less than stellar *g*.)

    : ) P

  418. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="220771"]

    Hammer, what if Desmond turning the key, STARTED time moving on the island?[/quote]
    Well I don’t know…what are you thinking?

  419. Lins says:

    [quote comment="220772"][quote comment="220760"]
    …. I mean WHY would they go back and try to fight Smokey??[/quote]

    also if they knew about smokey (or rather those who wrote protocol 2) then surely Keamy team would have been prepared for smokey the first time around. [/quote]
    Excellent point. They would have known about Smokey, Dharma built a fence that had the ability to keep it out. That should have been part of their first mission. Disable Security.[/quote]

    ************************
    It is weird to think that they made such a big deal of showing Daniel and Charlotte turning off the gas at the Tempest…but they didn’t seem to know about Smokey. I can see where gassing everyone would be a bigger threat, but Smokey did kill one of the mercs and was enough to send them back to the freighter. Also, I thought it was funny that the captain thought that Keamy may have been suffering from the same “sickness” as Regina and the rest of the crew.

  420. Casey says:

    Anyone ever read The Confidence-Man, by Herman Melville?

  421. DocH says:

    [quote comment="220713"]
    I’m not convinced, as you all are, that Frank DIDN’T mean for Jack and co. to COME to the chopper (rather than avoid it). He could be planning to drop off the mercs, and then go back for Jack’s group in an attempt to rescue them himself and leave the mercs on the island.
    [/quote]
    I agree. Lapidus tossed the handheld tracker so the beach Losties could avoid the mercs. The last time Frank saw the beach crew, the mercs weren’t part of their equation. The last time he saw Sawyer/Miles & Claire/Aaron was after the merc attack at the barracks & Frank knew they were well aware of the world-of-hurt heading their way. So Frank ASSUMES that Sawyer/Miles have warned the beach bunch AND that they know better about the mercs… but they don’t… Sawyer/Miles haven’t warned them yet. Will they warn them in time? The beachies have no idea about anything that happened at the barracks… Smokey summoned, Alex, Karl, Danielle all dead, murder party in pursuit…

  422. Lins says:

    [quote comment="220820"][quote comment="220713"]
    I’m not convinced, as you all are, that Frank DIDN’T mean for Jack and co. to COME to the chopper (rather than avoid it). He could be planning to drop off the mercs, and then go back for Jack’s group in an attempt to rescue them himself and leave the mercs on the island.
    [/quote]
    I agree. Lapidus tossed the handheld tracker so the beach Losties could avoid the mercs. The last time Frank saw the beach crew, the mercs weren’t part of their equation. The last time he saw Sawyer/Miles & Claire/Aaron was after the merc attack at the barracks & Frank knew they were well aware of the world-of-hurt heading their way. So Frank ASSUMES that Sawyer/Miles have warned the beach bunch AND that they know better about the mercs… but they don’t… Sawyer/Miles haven’t warned them yet. Will they warn them in time? The beachies have no idea about anything that happened at the barracks… Smokey summoned, Alex, Karl, Danielle all dead, murder party in pursuit…[/quote]

    *******************
    So basically it all comes down to timing…what order will the following happen in?

    Sayid returns to the beach (or does he?)
    Sawyer and Miles return to the beach
    Jack and co. head for the chopper
    Frank lands with the mercs
    Locke and Ben “move the island”

  423. Miraks says:

    [quote comment="220825"][quote comment="220820"][quote comment="220713"]
    I’m not convinced, as you all are, that Frank DIDN’T mean for Jack and co. to COME to the chopper (rather than avoid it). He could be planning to drop off the mercs, and then go back for Jack’s group in an attempt to rescue them himself and leave the mercs on the island.

    I agree. Lapidus tossed the handheld tracker so the beach Losties could avoid the mercs. The last time Frank saw the beach crew, the mercs weren’t part of their equation. The last time he saw Sawyer/Miles & Claire/Aaron was after the merc attack at the barracks & Frank knew they were well aware of the world-of-hurt heading their way. So Frank ASSUMES that Sawyer/Miles have warned the beach bunch AND that they know better about the mercs… but they don’t… Sawyer/Miles haven’t warned them yet. Will they warn them in time? The beachies have no idea about anything that happened at the barracks… Smokey summoned, Alex, Karl, Danielle all dead, murder party in pursuit

    *******************
    So basically it all comes down to timing…what order will the following happen in?

    Sayid returns to the beach (or does he?)
    Sawyer and Miles return to the beach
    Jack and co. head for the chopper
    Frank lands with the mercs
    Locke and Ben “move the island”[/quote]
    _________________________

    I’m pretty sure Charlotte and (name escapes me right now) would know that those guys are trouble. Maybe Frank tossing the phone is some kind of message in itself. Like Naomi saying “tell my sis I live her”.

  424. DocH says:

    [quote comment="220828"]
    I’m pretty sure Charlotte and (name escapes me right now) would know that those guys are trouble. Maybe Frank tossing the phone is some kind of message in itself. Like Naomi saying “tell my sis I live her”.
    [/quote]

    Charlotte & Daniel know of the mercs. They just don’t that the ‘secondary protocol’ is in effect. They still think the primary mission “Get Ben” is going on somewhere on the island. The scientists may have no idea that there even is a “back-up” mission. Dan just told Jack rescue was not the objective. But Jack & the beachies trust in Frank because they know him now AND he promised he’d be back to get them. The mercs aren’t even going to try and retrieve Charlotte & Daniel from the Losties… they’ll mow them too… then we’ll hear Charlotte start spilling everything she knows, if she survives.

    [quote comment="220825"]
    So basically it all comes down to timing…what order will the following happen in?

    Sayid returns to the beach (or does he?)
    Sawyer and Miles return to the beach
    Jack and co. head for the chopper
    Frank lands with the mercs
    Locke and Ben “move the island”
    [/quote]
    Pretty complete list.
    I will add that we have an unseen faction out there. We may get Richard Alpert and friends coming to the rescue and/or the “now-you see her, now you don’t” widow of Goodwin.

  425. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="220773"]
    When you say we know Ben travels in time, to which scenes are you referring? [/quote]
    I guess maybe I shouldn’t have said WE. IMO, I thought they made it pretty clear in “The shape of things to come” that Ben traveled through time to get where was. No footprints around him, wearing a Dharma Jacket (Hallowax’s), in the middle of the Sahara Desert. He arrives at a Tunisian hotel where the conversation ends up
    BEN: Yes. Um, today’s date is…
    NARJISS: October 24th, sir.
    BEN: (Embarrassedly) 2005?
    NARJISS: Yes, sir. 2005
    Im not sure if, at that point in the show, they could have made it any clearer. Sure we didn’t actually see how he got there yet, I have a feeling we will before the season is over. You, at one point, thought the same thing.

    PJSander
    Comment 214, posted 2 weeks, 4 days ago –
    Not sure I buy that. I think that if the writers wanted us to know what date it was, they would have put one of those handy-dandy bank calendars on the desk at the hotel that said, “October 21, 2005.”
    I think it is more likely that Ben wanted to be sure he ended up in the time/place he had planned on.
    : ) P

  426. bryguyco says:

    Ok, I have a question about the time differences between the island and the freighter. How is the time all jacked up with the Doc and that they get the morris code message that he washed up on shore but was still alive on the boat but yet when Frank and the copter go back and forth everything seems right. IE. in this past episode we see Frank preparing to take off from the freighter with Keamy and the mercs and he turns the sat phone on before they take off. Towards the end of the episode we see the Heli flying over and dropping the phone for tracking. Is Frank somehow exempt to the jacked up time continuum?

  427. bolddeceiver says:

    I think Abbadon is a slave who escaped the shackles of the Black Rock. That is his miracle. Any thoughts?

  428. Tasha says:

    This whole time thing on the island should have been answered when Daniel said that the losties perception of time was not really what it seems.(when the helicopter was taking so long to get to the boat.) Because anyone in their right mind would have been like…well what the heck is that supposed to mean? Why didn’t Jack or anyone ask for an explanation about time being different on and off the island? I could see Jack getting all worked up and saying that is NOT scientifically possible! Go tell that to Locke!

  429. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="220858"]I guess maybe I shouldn’t have said WE. IMO, I thought they made it pretty clear in “The shape of things to come” that Ben traveled through time to get where was. No footprints around him, wearing a Dharma Jacket (Hallowax’s), in the middle of the Sahara Desert.
    *snip*
    Im not sure if, at that point in the show, they could have made it any clearer. Sure we didn’t actually see how he got there yet, I have a feeling we will before the season is over. You, at one point, thought the same thing.
    [/quote]

    °°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°

    Yes, okay, THANK YOU. I remember THINKING about Ben time traveling, but I didn’t remember WHY I was thinking about Ben time traveling! That trip back from ’76 was a doozy, and my short term memory is a bit lacking! *g*

    Actually what I REALLY need, is to travel back in time so that I can find time to watch these episodes again! SO much happens in each episode that a) I miss stuff the first time around and b) I forget some (of the most important) stuff!

    : ) P

  430. DocH says:

    [quote comment="220859"]
    … How is the time all jacked up with the Doc and that they get the morris code message that he washed up on shore but was still alive on the boat …
    [/quote]
    I vaguely remember something about the sat-phone not being messed-up because it was going UP to the satellite and down to the ship, and the radio waves (cutting across the atmosphere) with the Morse code being messing-up, timewise. I went back thru the last three transcipts and can’t find a reference tho. (maybe I dreamt it -w/out bloody Horace).

  431. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="220868"]I vaguely remember something about the sat-phone not being messed-up because it was going UP to the satellite and down to the ship, and the radio waves (cutting across the atmosphere) with the Morse code being messing-up, timewise. I went back thru the last three transcipts and can’t find a reference tho. (maybe I dreamt it -w/out bloody Horace).[/quote]

    Even if they didn’t SAY that in an episode it makes ALL KINDS of sense to me! WTG, DocH.

    : ) P

  432. DocH says:

    [quote comment="220869"]
    Even if they didn’t SAY that in an episode it makes ALL KINDS of sense to me! WTG, DocH.
    [/quote]
    You know, if things like radio waves can escape vertically over the top of island. Maybe things get to the island from the vertical too. Kind of like up thru the middle of a tornado, or the “eye” of a hurricane. Things are relatively calm in the eye. Of course, where the freighter is “frozen” is in the wall of the storm. Not a rain & wind storm but an electrical & magnetic storm (eddy/whirlpool). That may explain how things get to the island – from “over the top”… like food drops & OA815.

  433. RGS says:

    [quote comment="220874"][quote comment="220869"]
    Even if they didn’t SAY that in an episode it makes ALL KINDS of sense to me! WTG, DocH.
    [/quote]
    You know, if things like radio waves can escape vertically over the top of island. Maybe things get to the island from the vertical too. Kind of like up thru the middle of a tornado, or the “eye” of a hurricane. Things are relatively calm in the eye. Of course, where the freighter is “frozen” is in the wall of the storm. Not a rain & wind storm but an electrical & magnetic storm (eddy/whirlpool). That may explain how things get to the island – from “over the top”… like food drops & OA815.[/quote]

    Another explanation of the food drops that I came across was that the planes making the drops aren’t coming in on the correct bearing and they are stuck in the atmosphere for X amount of time (each way over the island makes for countless time discrepancy effects). So while the plane may have started in 1997, w/o Ben and the island folks guiding it, it goes across the island on the wrong bearing, and gets “stuck” emerging when they think is only 18 hours or whatever, when it has been X years.

    not sure i like Just That Simple of an explanation, could i buy it? i suppose.

  434. Rita says:

    Several of you have wondered about Alpert being present at Locke’s birth, and wondered if that meant he was possibly Locke’s real father. I have thought about this, and think not. Emily has a funny reaction really, to holding John for the first time. It doesn’t seem like she had planned to give him up for adoption (her mother asked the nurse about how to set that up) but still can’t bring herself to see him or hold him. It seemed to me more like she had made some sort of “deal”, that she was now struggling with. A deal with Alpert? Emily’s mom had a strange reaction to Alpert too: like she had seen him before, but didn’t know who he was. Consider this: If you COULD time-travel, and you wanted to go see someone’s birth, you would be able to go through records and find out EXACTLY when and where to go, so if he CAN travel, he COULD be present at the birth if he chose to. I think Alpert is the key, but not as the father. Did he take Emily to the island, where she got pregnant, and then had the baby (John) off island? Did the same thing happen to Ben’s mother (another Emily)? Therefore, the players would be the mothers, not the fathers.

  435. Trixanna says:

    Good points Rita. I never thought about the whole time-travel issue in regards to this. Why would it be important to be at the births though? So they could track the babies for life?

    Whom ever said that Horace and Danielle could have been sweeties, I agree. That would be a story worth hearing more about. Horace did say he was building a getaway for him and his sweetie, right? So, who was she? Danielle makes sense to me and I love the idea!

  436. RGS says:

    [quote comment="220883"]Good points Rita. I never thought about the whole time-travel issue in regards to this. Why would it be important to be at the births though? So they could track the babies for life?

    Whom ever said that Horace and Danielle could have been sweeties, I agree. That would be a story worth hearing more about. Horace did say he was building a getaway for him and his sweetie, right? So, who was she? Danielle makes sense to me and I love the idea![/quote]

    ^^^^^^^
    Lostpedia has Horace’s wife (sweetie?) as Olivia.

    http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Olivia

  437. Trixanna says:

    Thanks RGS. I am a little bummed, I liked the idea. I guess I really do need to spend a little time checking out lostpedia.

  438. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="220884"][quote comment="220883"]Good points Rita. I never thought about the whole time-travel issue in regards to this. Why would it be important to be at the births though? So they could track the babies for life?

    Whom ever said that Horace and Danielle could have been sweeties, I agree. That would be a story worth hearing more about. Horace did say he was building a getaway for him and his sweetie, right? So, who was she? Danielle makes sense to me and I love the idea![/quote]

    ^^^^^^^
    Lostpedia has Horace’s wife (sweetie?) as Olivia.

    http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Olivia%5B/quote%5D

    +++++++++++

    Thought it was funny when Horace said “God speed John” as his name is Horace Goodspeed.

    Horace also brought Ben to the island as Abaddon seems to have arranged to send Locke there. I find this interesting since Horace worked for Darma and Abaddon seems to work for Widmore, who seems to be Darma. Ben has been a leader for the others/Jacob and it looks like Locke is next. There is no clear defination of “teams” here. Did Darma want Ben and Locke working for the others or did they think they would really be working for Widmore. I’m so confussed.

  439. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="220888"]
    Thought it was funny when Horace said “God speed John” as his name is Horace Goodspeed.

    Horace also brought Ben to the island as Abaddon seems to have arranged to send Locke there. I find this interesting since Horace worked for Darma and Abaddon seems to work for Widmore, who seems to be Darma. Ben has been a leader for the others/Jacob and it looks like Locke is next. There is no clear defination of “teams” here. Did Darma want Ben and Locke working for the others or did they think they would really be working for Widmore. I’m so confussed.[/quote]
    Im with you as I posted before (360). It is very confusing. I like how they showed Abaddon telling Locke about the walkabout though. It supports the theory that some, if not all, of the losties were “placed” on the plane. I hope in season 5, which was confirmed today for 17 episodes starting in JANUARY 2009, we get more of the whole D.I.
    Hopefully that means more Abaddon and Alpert, they steal the scenes.

  440. katesFriend says:

    i don’t think alpert visiting john’s birth has anything to do with the birth issue on the island

    remember when he gave locke the file about sawyer’s connection to his dad, alpert told him that ben was the one concerned with the birth problem and alpert and others wanted to focus on a bigger issue

  441. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="220866"]
    Yes, okay, THANK YOU. I remember THINKING about Ben time traveling, but I didn’t remember WHY I was thinking about Ben time traveling! That trip back from ’76 was a doozy, and my short term memory is a bit lacking! *g*

    Actually what I REALLY need, is to travel back in time so that I can find time to watch these episodes again! SO much happens in each episode that a) I miss stuff the first time around and b) I forget some (of the most important) stuff!

    : ) P[/quote]
    HTH. I would like to travel to Late May of 2010 and rewatch (at that time) seasons 5 and 6 consecutively, in one sitting, and say “OHHHHHHHH, Now I get it.”
    Where is that orchid station? Or Marty with Doc Brown’s Delorean?

  442. DocH says:

    [quote comment="220889"]
    I like how they showed Abaddon telling Locke about the walkabout though. It supports the theory that some, if not all, of the losties were “placed” on the plane.
    [/quote]
    But Locke didn’t take his tour of the outback. The guide that ran the thing sent him packing before he could get on the bus, and Locke could not fulfill his destiny. That would make the ‘walkabout’ guide part of the conspiracy that ‘placed’ Locke on the plane. [but... maybe Locke just hung-out in Sydney for a week until his scheduled flight.]

    And what’s to say that FB Alpert & FB Abaddon were aligned with the forces we assume they are aligned with now? Perhaps they switch sides somewhwere along the way… or were aligned with forces we haven’t seen yet. [That's how I would screen-write the last two seasons - sending all of us experts scrambling to review ALL of the obscure references from the first three seasons for an answer.]

  443. DocH says:

    More obtuse theory. If the island does move around/hide AND things (bunnies/bears) are duplicated. Maybe the island was near the Sundra Trench off of Bali when the original plane was discharged from the duplication process. And the duplicate plane broke-up over the ‘roaming’ island. Leaving us our Losties. [Remebering of course that the African drug plane, the Black Rock, Des's boat, Danielle's expedition and Henry Gales' balloon MAY have disappeared halfway around the world from where we think they (logically) should have disappeared.]

  444. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="220904"]But Locke didn’t take his tour of the outback. The guide that ran the thing sent him packing before he could get on the bus, and Locke could not fulfill his destiny. That would make the ‘walkabout’ guide part of the conspiracy that ‘placed’ Locke on the plane. [but... maybe Locke just hung-out in Sydney for a week until his scheduled flight.]
    [/quote]
    I guess I am not sure what you mean. Abaddon gave Locke the idea about a walkabout. The guide in Australia may be in on it, he told Locke “you misrepresented yourself”…”you neglected to tell us about your condition.”
    [quote comment="220904"]
    And what’s to say that FB Alpert & FB Abaddon were aligned with the forces we assume they are aligned with now?[/quote]
    I dont assume they are aligned with anyone, except maybe the island.

  445. DocH says:

    [quote comment="220912"]
    I guess I am not sure what you mean. Abaddon gave Locke the idea about a walkabout. The guide in Australia may be in on it, he told Locke “you misrepresented yourself”…”you neglected to tell us about your condition.”
    [/quote]
    If Abaddons’ plan was to get Locke to figure himself out on a walkabout, then to wait 8 yrs before that happened, then arrange for a plane disaster to get the emotionally repaired Locke onto the island so he could do the will of Abaddon… seems like a pretty complicated plan.

    What I suggest is that the walkabout guide may have thrown a huge monkey wrench into the already complicated works. But, Locke may have gotten onto the ‘targeted’ plane anyways. But all the island got was the old emotionally damaged Locke, and not the spiritually repaired Locke that Abaddon had planned on delivering.

    [I am starting think that girlfriend, Helen, phone-a-friend of FB Locke were all part of the ruse. Locke did have two tickets for the trip to Australia, but he couldn't convince his companion to come with him.]

  446. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="220923"][quote comment="220912"]
    I guess I am not sure what you mean. Abaddon gave Locke the idea about a walkabout. The guide in Australia may be in on it, he told Locke “you misrepresented yourself”…”you neglected to tell us about your condition.”
    [/quote]
    If Abaddons’ plan was to get Locke to figure himself out on a walkabout, then to wait 8 yrs before that happened, then arrange for a plane disaster to get the emotionally repaired Locke onto the island so he could do the will of Abaddon… seems like a pretty complicated plan.

    What I suggest is that the walkabout guide may have thrown a huge monkey wrench into the already complicated works. But, Locke may have gotten onto the ‘targeted’ plane anyways. But all the island got was the old emotionally damaged Locke, and not the spiritually repaired Locke that Abaddon had planned on delivering.

    [I am starting think that girlfriend, Helen, phone-a-friend of FB Locke were all part of the ruse. Locke did have two tickets for the trip to Australia, but he couldn't convince his companion to come with him.][/quote]
    ————
    Is it really that complicated of a plan for LOST? An island can move.
    I think Locke met Abaddon sometime between 2000-2004. He was paralyzed 4 years before the crash. So who knows for sure when that visit took place or maybe I missed something and it was stated when they met?

  447. Scott says:

    EW Ep Recap

    http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20198844_1,00.html

  448. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="220932"][quote comment="220923"][quote comment="220912"]
    I guess I am not sure what you mean. Abaddon gave Locke the idea about a walkabout. The guide in Australia may be in on it, he told Locke “you misrepresented yourself”…”you neglected to tell us about your condition.”
    [/quote]
    If Abaddons’ plan was to get Locke to figure himself out on a walkabout, then to wait 8 yrs before that happened, then arrange for a plane disaster to get the emotionally repaired Locke onto the island so he could do the will of Abaddon… seems like a pretty complicated plan.

    What I suggest is that the walkabout guide may have thrown a huge monkey wrench into the already complicated works. But, Locke may have gotten onto the ‘targeted’ plane anyways. But all the island got was the old emotionally damaged Locke, and not the spiritually repaired Locke that Abaddon had planned on delivering.

    [I am starting think that girlfriend, Helen, phone-a-friend of FB Locke were all part of the ruse. Locke did have two tickets for the trip to Australia, but he couldn't convince his companion to come with him.][/quote]
    ————
    Is it really that complicated of a plan for LOST? An island can move.
    I think Locke met Abaddon sometime between 2000-2004. He was paralyzed 4 years before the crash. So who knows for sure when that visit took place or maybe I missed something and it was stated when they met?[/quote]
    +++++++++++++
    If Abaddon is time traveling in mind or body he could know when Locke would try to go on the walkabout. It also may not matter when. Perhape he just had to be brought to Australia to end up on the island.

    Abaddon could have also been talking about walkabout in a more figuritive fashion and Locke took it litterly. When Abaddon talks about his own walkabout I didn’t think he meant walking around the outback with a knife. I think he was refering more to the spiritual journey.

  449. roses12 says:

    [quote comment="220895"][quote comment="220866"]
    Yes, okay, THANK YOU. I remember THINKING about Ben time traveling, but I didn’t remember WHY I was thinking about Ben time traveling! That trip back from ’76 was a doozy, and my short term memory is a bit lacking! *g*

    Actually what I REALLY need, is to travel back in time so that I can find time to watch these episodes again! SO much happens in each episode that a) I miss stuff the first time around and b) I forget some (of the most important) stuff!

    : ) P[/quote]
    HTH. I would like to travel to Late May of 2010 and rewatch (at that time) seasons 5 and 6 consecutively, in one sitting, and say “OHHHHHHHH, Now I get it.”
    Where is that orchid station? Or Marty with Doc Brown’s Delorean?[/quote]

    but NO then it would all be over and how will i spend my time then! i’m sweating enough at the thoughts that the ratings will drop, the show will be cancelled and we will never get all the answers. i mean we used to have 700 post per episode now its less than 500…..thank god for all your LAs.

  450. LLOL says:

    Does anyone think that Miles will eventually come across the DI body pit and communicate/hear some very interesting information? Perhaps this is his destiny in some way.

  451. docjock says:

    Miles is there to speak with Jacob.

    Good points in #434, Rita.

    Can anybody confirm or deny the Claire/Emilie on set behavior rumors?

  452. docjock says:

    Sorry, not trying to say a confab at the Pit isn’t possible, or likely, just that Miles’ primary raison is to commune with Jacob.

  453. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="220946"]
    Abaddon could have also been talking about walkabout in a more figuritive fashion and Locke took it litterly. When Abaddon talks about his own walkabout I didn’t think he meant walking around the outback with a knife. I think he was refering more to the spiritual journey.[/quote]
    I think you are right but he did say “you go into the australian outback with nothing more than a knife and your wits.” I think Locke is on his walkabout now. It is exactly the Locke Abbaddon wanted on the island. Locke now has total faith in the island. Who wouldn’t? After being paralyzed for 4 years, you crash on an island and you can suddenly walk? He will follow whatever message the island gives him, which may ultimately lead to his downfall.

  454. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="220975"]Does anyone think that Miles will eventually come across the DI body pit and communicate/hear some very interesting information? Perhaps this is his destiny in some way.[/quote]

    I don’t think the folks in the DI pit need Miles, one has already communicated with Locke (Horace)…..Whisperers….

  455. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="220868"][quote comment="220859"]
    … How is the time all jacked up with the Doc and that they get the morris code message that he washed up on shore but was still alive on the boat …
    [/quote]
    I vaguely remember something about the sat-phone not being messed-up because it was going UP to the satellite and down to the ship, and the radio waves (cutting across the atmosphere) with the Morse code being messing-up, timewise. I went back thru the last three transcipts and can’t find a reference tho. (maybe I dreamt it -w/out bloody Horace).[/quote]
    I don’t remember where, but I thought D&C said something about the SAT phone not being effected by time and we are just to beleive it because it’s TV (suspeneded belief).

  456. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="220908"]More obtuse theory. If the island does move around/hide AND things (bunnies/bears) are duplicated. Maybe the island was near the Sundra Trench off of Bali when the original plane was discharged from the duplication process. And the duplicate plane broke-up over the ‘roaming’ island. Leaving us our Losties. [Remebering of course that the African drug plane, the Black Rock, Des's boat, Danielle's expedition and Henry Gales' balloon MAY have disappeared halfway around the world from where we think they (logically) should have disappeared.][/quote]

    I hear ya. But, I still believe it is a hoax plane. Frank was convinced the pilot was fake. Also using your same arguement….where are the duplicate drug plane, Black Rock, etc…?

  457. Miraks says:

    [quote comment="220879"]Several of you have wondered about Alpert being present at Locke’s birth, and wondered if that meant he was possibly Locke’s real father. I have thought about this, and think not. Emily has a funny reaction really, to holding John for the first time. It doesn’t seem like she had planned to give him up for adoption (her mother asked the nurse about how to set that up) but still can’t bring herself to see him or hold him. It seemed to me more like she had made some sort of “deal”, that she was now struggling with. A deal with Alpert? Emily’s mom had a strange reaction to Alpert too: like she had seen him before, but didn’t know who he was. Consider this: If you COULD time-travel, and you wanted to go see someone’s birth, you would be able to go through records and find out EXACTLY when and where to go, so if he CAN travel, he COULD be present at the birth if he chose to. I think Alpert is the key, but not as the father. Did he take Emily to the island, where she got pregnant, and then had the baby (John) off island? Did the same thing happen to Ben’s mother (another Emily)? Therefore, the players would be the mothers, not the fathers.[/quote]
    I don’t actualy remember Alpert being at locke’s birth. He was at the hospital AFTER Locke had gone through all his infections and was done with the incubator. That would mean probably two months or more after he was born. Two months during which his mom decided she did not want him (most likely because Cooper had ditched her during that time).

  458. Tasha says:

    [quote comment="220988"]Sorry, not trying to say a confab at the Pit isn’t possible, or likely, just that Miles’ primary raison is to commune with Jacob.[/quote]

    Wouldn’t he have just gone with Locke and Ben and Hurley if that were the case??

  459. Hammer says:

    Here’s one.

    If you move the island, (by move I mean to another time because I think they have clued us in that the Orchid will be important and now we know Locke is supposed to “move” the island AND I assume the Orchid is a time device and is how he move the island) what impact will it have on people who died on the island?

    That is…if the island goes to the past, are people going to be alive again? Do the Whisperers go away because they aren’t there yet? What if it’s moved to the future?

    I also assume that it will be moving in time because if it’s in another dimension I would think that it would just be a matter of searching to find it again.

    Debunk?

  460. docjock says:

    Not necessarily.

    His “Primary Plot Function” is to commune with Jacob, as directed by Widmore, IMO.

    If it isn’t time to insert that scene in the performance re: with Locke, etc, it doesn’t mean they have abandoned it as a device, it’s just not time to unload it yet. All of the themes and subplots run concurrently in episodes; they’re not “one and done.”

  461. DocH says:

    [quote comment="220996"]
    I hear ya. But, I still believe it is a hoax plane. Frank was convinced the pilot was fake. Also using your same arguement….where are the duplicate drug plane, Black Rock, etc…?
    [/quote]
    The duplicate plane, BR, etc… are on the island. The originals are at the bottom of the ocean, close to wherever the island was when they intercepted it and then Xerox’d. Again, very obtuse theory on my part (addressing all possibilities).

    [quote comment="220990"]
    … I think Locke is on his walkabout now…[/quote]
    Very good counterpoint. I will concede that Locke MAY be experiencing his spiritual journey now… in lieu of the one he was headed for in the Australian Outback.

  462. Hammer says:

    Or here’s another idea (someone might have mentioned it). Maybe the island can moved from being close to one vortex to another?

  463. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="221112"]
    That is…if the island goes to the past, are people going to be alive again? Do the Whisperers go away because they aren’t there yet? What if it’s moved to the future?
    [/quote]
    What if the time they move the island to ( not convinced how that’s how the island moves, but I love the idea }, ijust before we see Ben in his last FF? October 2005.
    If they move it to the past, it would probably have to be post-purge, or else would all The Dharma be alive?
    I am going to struggle with them moving the island in time. I can see it already.

  464. Rita says:

    I agree with lost4ever that Locke is on his walkabout now. In fact, I believe that it was the PREPARATION for the journey, and not the journey itself, that Abaddon wanted Locke to do. Locke learned survival skills (like knife throwing, wilderness survival, etc.) in preparation for his walkabout. It never mattered that he actually went or not, just that he prepared for it. Abaddon wanted him on the island, and was helping him to be ready, not for the walkabout, but for the island.

  465. DocH says:

    [quote comment="221112"]
    That is…if the island goes to the past, are people going to be alive again? Do the Whisperers go away because they aren’t there yet? What if it’s moved to the future?

    I also assume that it will be moving in time because if it’s in another dimension I would think that it would just be a matter of searching to find it again.
    [/quote]
    Adding to that. Alive OR Dead, in whatever timeline, if the island doesn’t completely re-sync with itself, then it would be slightly ‘out-of-phase’ with itself and allow for both Alive AND Dead to have some sort of overlap with themselves and others. Maybe we have been watching Dead Losties the entire time, and the Whispers we hear are the overlap of the living. Throw the ‘undead’ in there and we get many possible outcomes.

    How many Whispers have been identified as voices we know from the story. Very few… but some, I think. Most of the Whispers are not from known characters. Since there are usually 2 or 3 separate conversations going on at the same ‘Whisper’, perhaps the Whispers are from multiple generations – multiple time overlaps. Part of the Whispers could be from the Black Rock era, another part from the Dharma days, another from the drug plane (Yemi), or another could be from a future time.

    Maybe our Losties are just the most recent time overlap on the island and they aren’t proficient yet in listening to the Whispers, or in seeing and commenting on other timelines. But they are getting better at it. Locke is tuning in with Jacob and now Horace, Claire has daddy to talk to now, Hurley is getting there but goes home (which haunts him). Miles already speaks Whisper, so he is fluent in island-speak…. Who else?

  466. wally p says:

    I hate to keep bringing up the issue of time travel, but I’m still convinced that it is a mental thing (psychic thing more so) not a physically moving thing. The magnetic current has power over it in some people like Desmond and the guys on the freight, but I think guys like Ben know how to harness it. But not entirely. Ben is somewhat confused when he shows up at that hotel… 2005? like he needs to verify the year… This time travel stuff doesn’t seem like a very healthy thing to get messed up in. But I still think that it would be 2005 Ben, with (????) year Ben in his head.

    I also like what I read a week or so back, about how Bens waking in the desert was very similar to the very first episode, when we first saw Jack wake up in the jungle. There must be a connection there also.

    And I still say, Richard doesn’t do time travel, either way. Somehow I think Richard was around way back when that coveted Book of Laws was first written. I believe he knew the author, and is maybe trying to find him again.The first time I saw him in the past, I was pretty sure he enjoys eternal youth. Ben and Whitmore may be time traveler junkies, but Richard seems above that whole scene if you ask me. Was that group that he was a part of when Ben was a boy -The Others- too? The ones that the Dharma people were always trying to start wars with? Making them natives, yes? Doesn’t Ben tell everyone that he was born on the island, when in fact we know he wasn’t?
    ……

    …Also, Danielle. Horaces secret “other” wife/sweetie in the jungle? Building his “other wife getaway” out there, and is/was/is/was/is/was Alex’s real dad? Sorry, the tape looped itself there for a second. But does that sound right?

  467. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="221165"]Horaces secret “other” wife/sweetie in the jungle? Building his “other wife getaway” out there, [/quote]
    Horace actually says “mrs.” not sweetie. He has a wife. RGS was kind enough to post a link (comment #436).

  468. Megalost says:

    What is up w/ Keemy’s teeth! Did anyone else notice how weird his top teeth are?

  469. Megalost says:

    Seiously. Everytime I see Keemy I am tripping out on his teeth.

  470. DocH says:

    Here is a new one. Actor Doug H. credits list him as Horace AND Jacob.

    – The Man Behind the Curtain (2007)… Horace Goodspeed

    – Cabin Fever (2008)… Jacob

    us.imdb.com/name/nm0006535/

    while John Terry is still listed as Dr. Christian Shephard for “Cabin Fever”.

    us.imdb.com/name/nm0856012/

  471. wally p says:

    [quote comment="221176"][quote comment="221165"]Horaces secret “other” wife/sweetie in the jungle? Building his “other wife getaway” out there, [/quote]
    Horace actually says “mrs.” not sweetie. He has a wife. RGS was kind enough to post a link (comment #436).[/quote]

    oh. Ok, my brain is exhausted for today. I’ll probably be back tommorow… thanks for the help!

  472. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="221121"][quote comment="220996"]
    I hear ya. But, I still believe it is a hoax plane. Frank was convinced the pilot was fake. Also using your same arguement….where are the duplicate drug plane, Black Rock, etc…?
    [/quote]
    The duplicate plane, BR, etc… are on the island. The originals are at the bottom of the ocean, close to wherever the island was when they intercepted it and then Xerox’d. Again, very obtuse theory on my part (addressing all possibilities).
    [/quote]
    Got it, you’re saying we just haven’t seen them yet. Maybe they are close to other vortex’s?

  473. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="221165"]I hate to keep bringing up the issue of time travel, but I’m still convinced that it is a mental thing (psychic thing more so) not a physically moving thing. [/quote]
    I thought the same thing up until they introduced the Orchid Video with duplicate bunnies. Now I think that there are two types of travel. Mostly because I don’t think the Orchid Video is referring to cloning.

  474. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="221185"]Here is a new one. Actor Doug H. credits list him as Horace AND Jacob.

    – The Man Behind the Curtain (2007)… Horace Goodspeed

    – Cabin Fever (2008)… Jacob

    us.imdb.com/name/nm0006535/

    while John Terry is still listed as Dr. Christian Shephard for “Cabin Fever”.

    us.imdb.com/name/nm0856012/[/quote]

    Wow, but we didn’t see any characters referred to as Jacob in Cabin Fever…cat out of the bag?

  475. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="221195"][quote comment="221165"]I hate to keep bringing up the issue of time travel, but I’m still convinced that it is a mental thing (psychic thing more so) not a physically moving thing. [/quote]
    I thought the same thing up until they introduced the Orchid Video with duplicate bunnies. Now I think that there are two types of travel. Mostly because I don’t think the Orchid Video is referring to cloning.[/quote]
    ————–
    I agree, it’s not cloning, it’s time travel. That’s why I’m not sure about all this “duplicate” stuff.

    I think with “the constant” they were showing us that time-travel is possible, although it was just CONSCIOUS time-travel. Dharma was on the island researching many things, one of them being time-travel. Dharma figures out, eventually, how to PHYSICALLY time-travel.
    Maybe that’s what led to the purge.

    Alpert tells young Ben to be patient. Once Dharma is able to harness the time-travel ability, the Hostiles initiate the purge. Maybe to protect the island or all of humanity. Season 5 definitely needs to show us more D.I.

  476. Megalost says:

    Hmm, I think Jacob can manifest himself in many different forms. Horace, Christian Shepard….and who knows who else….

  477. DocH says:

    Agree – not cloning. A clone would be a second, separate, living, genetically-identical thing existing at the same time as the original. The Orchid would revolve around the original only and sending/moving that original around to different times/places. When the bunny popped-in, that was the problem – an original in the same room with itself, not a clone of itself.

  478. PJSander says:

    The time travel thing is difficult for me to get my head around. I am working on it! But here is a question for anyone to chime in and answer, please:

    I understand about traveling BACK in time, to a PLACE in the PAST you may or may not have already been, but no further back than the beginning of your own life.

    I can even understand the idea of traveling back in time to a TIME you may NOT have been in, BEFORE your life began. Because this time has already OCCURRED.

    I can understand being IN the past, and traveling back to the “present” time. This would be the “future” if you are in the past, but “present” of right now.

    I do NOT understand traveling into a time that has NOT YET HAPPENED! So far, D&C have not yet asked us to do this. I sincerely hope they don’t. How can anyone travel to a time that has not yet occurred. I know it is done in Sci-Fi all the time, and usually very poorly, but that is suspending belief just a little too much for me!

    Thanks for letting my gripe and question!

    : ) P

  479. SawyerFan says:

    [quote comment="220551"][quote comment="219975"]When Locke questioned ‘altered’ Claire as to the whereabouts of Aaron, CS said, “Aaron is where he is supposed to be.”
    The last we saw of Aaron, he was with Sawyer. Is that where he is supposed to be? Why with Sawyer?[/quote]
    *******
    I was wondering the same thing. Could it be because Sawyer wants to stay on the island and Aaron needs to be on the island? That would make sense then why Jack isn’t supposed to raise him.
    Also, are there any theories as to how/why Christian Shephard is alive? I was rewatching the first season and I remember Jack finding his coffin, but it was empty.[/quote]

    Finally, some others who share my thoughts! I can’t believe it hasn’t occurred to anyone else in this blog but us that perhaps Aaron is meant to be with Sawyer, at least for the time being and possibly in the future. After all, Hurley said that Charlie said that JACK wasn’t supposed to be raising Aaron. He didn’t say anthing about Kate not being meant to raise Aaron. I still think there’s a possibility that Sawyer and Kate will end up together-maybe to raise his daughter, Clementine, and Aaron. But that’s probably just the Skater in me coming out! haha The one thing that still baffles me is that Charlie had a premonition of Claire and Aaron getting onto a helicopter and gettin rescued. Don’t quite see how that’s going to happen unless it’s on the series finale! Maybe Claire’s still alive and she and Sawyer hook up. Who knows?

  480. Bobola says:

    [quote comment="220540"][quote comment="220525"]Odd how many guys on the island always have a clean shave yet we seldom see anyone shaving. Also; I don’t remember anyone complaining about mosquitos. I’m the sort of person who always likes the small touches that underline reality. That’s why I loved the candy bar share scene so much.[/quote]

    I agree. I mean no one wants to SEE the girls shaving their legs, or hear about the lack of feminine hygiene products, or what have you, but bug bites and no toilet paper could be made into a little humor to add to the reality. I have previously joked that there must have been a shipment of Widmore razors on the plane or something!

    : ) P[/quote]

    Nice to hear your agreement with me…but I’d have to disagree with you on the idea of watching the women shave their legs. Sun shaving her legs and later running her hands over then saying; ohhh, nice and smooth…my idea of a little peek of sensuous heaven.
    Not true of Freckles; she’s just too macho for me.
    LOST now has been on for so long that hopefully the writers will start adding more tidbits like the candy bar scene…it only takes a few seconds and adds so much real world to the unreal world.

    Someone suggested KEamy had the armband to protect from Smokey. Doesn’t make sense in light of his warning to the Captain warning him which make the Captain hesitate. The Captain seemed to know it would be bad to shoot Keamy…and what else could it be other than an explosion on deck. MAybe the armband is a detonator to a big bag of Plastique (C-4) that was on the chopper? Is that how they will torch the Island…or at least selected areas? They would need an Air Force to really do the whole Island.
    I find it very odd that Keamy would not just go ahead and shoot Sayid and Desmond before he left after he shot the Captain (of course Sayid had already made his escape). Keamy had just shown he was a ruthless killer to everyone on the SHIP so what does he have to lose? He also MUST know there’s Zodiac boat left behind for someone to escape to the island and warn the Losties.
    I may be nit picking over minor plot holes but this Keamy guy has become a real favorite of mine because I love the crazy villains. Doubt that Keamy is going to be sharing any candy bars with anyone. A Badass on steroids…and a great counterpoint to Ben who is sort of a Zen bad guy (or is he really good in the long run?).

    If I were Desmond I’d not be staying behind waiting for madman Krazy Keamy to return; I’d be looking for another lifeboat…and if I did stay I’d be frantically scouring the Freighter for a gun for his return…or trying to build me a raft…anything!
    Run Desmond, run! Even Forrest Gump would know better. Waiting for Pen-nays from Heaven fer Christ’s sake?

    Maybe the rest of the crew is hiding…seems like they would need at least a mechanic to service the Chopper.
    Or maybe the other Commandos are muti-taskers?

    Who’s feeding the crew of the Freighter? Poor Michael is gonna go hungry in his cell…tsk, tsk.

    The producers should get one of the actors still alive from Gilligan’s Island to do a cameo.
    Maybe Ginger.

  481. docjock says:

    “Finally, some others who share my thoughts! I can’t believe it hasn’t occurred to anyone else in this blog but us that perhaps Aaron is meant to be with Sawyer, at least for the time being and possibly in the future.”

    _______________

    This is why I have been asking about the Claire/Emilie rumors – it gives the writers a reason to change the “Must be Raised by Claire” axiom.

    Anyone?

  482. Megalost says:

    keamy’s teeeth!!! someome respond.

  483. Trixanna says:

    [quote comment="221353"]keamy’s teeeth!!! someome respond.[/quote]
    I just went to lostpedia to see what you are talking about. He has a thin upper lip but I really don’t see anything wrong with his teeth, at least in the pics I saw.

    I think you may need to find a local LA chapter soon ;-)

  484. Kathy says:

    Here’s a thought I’ve been having…

    Remember how Christian Shepard had and developed a drinking habit? He is a catalyst for his progeny being on the plane and thus the island.

    Was his drinking habit anything like the drinking habit Widmore has developed from putting Penny somewhere (the island?) Ben wouldn’t find her cuz he moved the island.

    I believe both men manipulated are pivital in sending their spawn to the island and end up with drinking problems over doing it. CS died I guess, but maybe it’s part of some “plan” with Widmore and doesn’t really matter because of some time travel thing…

    CS is a much bigger player in all this than I ever thought in season 1…

  485. RGS says:

    [quote comment="221281"]
    I can understand being IN the past, and traveling back to the “present” time. This would be the “future” if you are in the past, but “present” of right now.

    I do NOT understand traveling into a time that has NOT YET HAPPENED! So far, D&C have not yet asked us to do this. I sincerely hope they don’t. How can anyone travel to a time that has not yet occurred. I know it is done in Sci-Fi all the time, and usually very poorly, but that is suspending belief just a little too much for me!

    Thanks for letting my gripe and question!

    : ) P[/quote]

    This is a complex question, and it has to do with Einstein’s Theory on Relativity, speed of light, and some other equations that I would have no business displaying on this blog. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_relativity

    You can google “time travel theories future” and get a bunch of stuff.

    However, my understanding of it, as far as I’m concerned, is that everything has already happened. Future, past, present, is all occurring simultaneously. It is just that in the present, we aren’t moving fast enough to experience the future. In order to do that one has to travel faster than the speed of light.

    I came across a simple explanation that if you took a piece of paper, put a dot in the middle that represents the present, stand it on its edge, and drawn a line up to the top, and back down to a point in the middle of the opposite side of the paper, where that 2nd dot represents the future, this example would represent THE PRESENT traveling at the speed of light to the future.

    If you bent the paper and then poked a hole through to get to the opposite side, that would represent traveling FASTER than the speed of light. That’s part 1 of the discussion.

    But before you even go there, traveling to the future from our present time, seems to be the same as traveling from the past to our present time– for someone who is originally from the past. So if you can accept that, you should be able to accept our present to our future.

  486. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="221500"][quote comment="221281"]
    I can understand being IN the past, and traveling back to the “present” time. This would be the “future” if you are in the past, but “present” of right now.

    I do NOT understand traveling into a time that has NOT YET HAPPENED! So far, D&C have not yet asked us to do this. I sincerely hope they don’t. How can anyone travel to a time that has not yet occurred. I know it is done in Sci-Fi all the time, and usually very poorly, but that is suspending belief just a little too much for me!

    Thanks for letting my gripe and question!

    : ) P[/quote]

    This is a complex question, and it has to do with Einstein’s Theory on Relativity, speed of light, and some other equations that I would have no business displaying on this blog. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_relativity

    You can google “time travel theories future” and get a bunch of stuff.

    However, my understanding of it, as far as I’m concerned, is that everything has already happened. Future, past, present, is all occurring simultaneously. It is just that in the present, we aren’t moving fast enough to experience the future. In order to do that one has to travel faster than the speed of light.

    I came across a simple explanation that if you took a piece of paper, put a dot in the middle that represents the present, stand it on its edge, and drawn a line up to the top, and back down to a point in the middle of the opposite side of the paper, where that 2nd dot represents the future, this example would represent THE PRESENT traveling at the speed of light to the future.

    If you bent the paper and then poked a hole through to get to the opposite side, that would represent traveling FASTER than the speed of light. That’s part 1 of the discussion.

    But before you even go there, traveling to the future from our present time, seems to be the same as traveling from the past to our present time– for someone who is originally from the past. So if you can accept that, you should be able to accept our present to our future.[/quote]
    ++++++++++++++++++

    Fine explanation RGS.

  487. wally p says:

    [quote comment="221353"]keamy’s teeeth!!! someome respond.[/quote]

    Wooooo! Them things probably got their own walkie!… Maybe the arm band is there to detonate those teeth! Arrrrrrrrrr!

    Anyway, think I’ve come to terms with the time travel thing. Gonna get my free Southern Chicken sandwich at Mackys tonight and set back for tonights riveting hour…

  488. Hammer says:

    FYI, Damon in an interview with THR.com has stated that Lost will not end with a fade to black like Sopranos did.

  489. Evan says:

    HAHA looks like you took this a little too seriously Tanzi…the “i win” part was a joke, but apparently you have no sense of humor and may god have mercy on your soul (pssst, thats another joke) chill out

  490. Found says:

    I think that by “moving” the Island, it just can’t be moving it through time. Because it could still be found and taken over in the current time. And they would always be looping to that point, never solving the problem of who controls the Island. Widmore would have control of the Island for all of his evil purposes, and be forever changing the future of mankind otherwise. The past can never change the outcome of the future, so if it happens in the future, it was always going to happen anyway, and all of this battle between good and evil would have been for nothing… The only way to truly protect the Island would be to move it physically, so that it couldn’t be found again.

  491. docjock says:

    Hey guys, LOST is on tonight…

    And yes, Keamy has tiny chiclet teeth.

  492. EkosRevenge says:

    I’m willing to bet tonight will focus more on the beach goers decision to locate the chopper… but man do i want to find out about “moving” this island!
    Even though I am relentlessly intrigued about the multiple dimension theory, I’m thinking the geo-magnetic forces of the island will come into play and alter it’s coordinates. And Ben & Jack maybe being brother?!? Deep, but I like it!

  493. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="221544"]HAHA looks like you took this a little too seriously Tanzi…the “i win” part was a joke, but apparently you have no sense of humor and may god have mercy on your soul (pssst, thats another joke) chill out[/quote]

    You know, Evan, I don’t buy it. I don’t think it was a joke. Usually, when people are joking, being cheeky, or otherwise attempting humor, they make it more clear by adding a “LOL” or a *g* or some other ‘netspeak for a chuckle. You did not.

    [quote comment="219291"]Pretty sure that my idea was shot down a few weeks ago by some people and this week only affirmed what I had said…the island is movable or even is always moving, but can move at different points…so all of you, i win[/quote]

    Written words can be interpreted differently by every person who reads them – that is the nature of the internet. *I* read those words as, “So there. I was right and YOU losers were wrong. Neener neener neener!” Maybe that isn’t how you intended your words to be read, but I don’t buy that you were joking, not even for a second.

    Other people interpreted your words in other ways. Several people knocked you down a peg for your sneer, whether you intended your post to be one or not.

    We are a pleasant little community here, and I for one, don’t really like the little snipes and swipes that occasionally show up, whether they are intended or not. I didn’t reply to your first post because I thought it wasn’t worth the effort. Read, forget, move on. But when you came back and sneered a little more, it pushed my button again.

    So Evan, love, please let’s try to get along? We don’t have many rules in the forum, but the most important, I think, is the last one: Be kind and helpful. I think you can agree that words like, “apparently you have no sense of humor” aren’t kind or helpful.

    : ) P

  494. Julie says:

    [quote comment="219177"][quote comment="219175"][quote comment="219174"][quote comment="219114"]Can we talk about the new guy in the preview above?[/quote]
    If you are talking about the preview and NOT one of the sneak peaks……he’s NOT new.[/quote]
    **********************
    Yes, and how is it that Horace died 12 years ago? If the purge was 12 years ago, and Danielle has been there for 16 years, does that mean that Ben kidnapped Alex 4 years BEFORE the purge and lived with her there at Otherville?[/quote]
    +++++++++++
    And Danielle miraculously survived? Her story don’t mesh….do it?[/quote]
    ******
    And thats why she had to die. LOL

  495. Julie says:

    Sorry guys, work has been crazy so I haven’t really been able to read or comment lately. (Hi Hammer!)
    -SO…. John/Ben brothers! WOOHOO! Evil Twin anyone??? LOVE IT!
    -Yes, Hurley saying Mallomars was funny. But what was even better was Ben and Hurley splitting the candy bar while waiting on Locke. Ben has been brought down from his golden pedestal a little, eh?
    -Alpert being upset and 7y/o John. It’s in essence the same thing thats always ‘plagued’ John. He’s always been a perfect fit EVERYWHERE, except for one little thing. Not always the same thing… but there was always ONE thing.
    -Cabin. TOTALLY SCARED ME! A little ‘Twin Peaks’-ish huh? Totally showing my age… wait.. that’s right I’m only 27. But still…
    -I totally loved this episode!! I hate the actor that plays Keamy. I hated him in 310 to Yuma. I hate him in every roll that he plays. Thankfully he’s always the same ‘guy’. LOL! He’s probably ubernice in real life. LOL!
    -My call for next week. Jack is going to lead everyone following the beeps on the phone and when Sayid gets back, no one will be there.
    -Final but constant comment…. Sayid is still badass. LOL

  496. SawyerFan says:

    [quote comment="221344"]“Finally, some others who share my thoughts! I can’t believe it hasn’t occurred to anyone else in this blog but us that perhaps Aaron is meant to be with Sawyer, at least for the time being and possibly in the future.”

    _______________

    This is why I have been asking about the Claire/Emilie rumors – it gives the writers a reason to change the “Must be Raised by Claire” axiom.

    Anyone?[/quote]
    Hey, DocJoc!
    I saw where you and a couple of others mentioned rumors about Emilie DeRaven. What’s up…I must
    have missed something?

  497. docjock says:

    Someone (?) said she was acting up and had isolated from the rest of the cast. This however, is unconfirmed.

  498. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="221566"]Sorry guys, work has been crazy so I haven’t really been able to read or comment lately. (Hi Hammer!)
    -[/quote]

    Hey there. Thought maybe the blog “moved” on you…

  499. Julie says:

    [quote comment="221571"][quote comment="221566"]Sorry guys, work has been crazy so I haven’t really been able to read or comment lately. (Hi Hammer!)
    -[/quote]

    Hey there. Thought maybe the blog “moved” on you…[/quote]
    ********************
    LOL!!! No, I’ve been reading here and there. I mean if reading/watching/and writing about Lost could pay me something comparable to my salary… then I’d be here all the time. Sadly… not so much.
    Kudos to you for getting your own theory mention!!
    So, has anyone deciphered the sounds/images from ole smokie when he/she/it..attacked Keamy’s guys? I haven’t seen any mention of it.

  500. Julie says:

    [quote comment="219299"]loved 8 year old locke’s picture of smokey taking down a man…how did he know about smokey??

    what was that on keamy’s arm? an ipod? a guitar tuner?[/quote]

    LMAO!!! Keamy was playing some guitar hero on the back deck prior to slicing the docs throat. Way to prioritize! LOL!!!

  501. DocH says:

    [quote]
    what was that on keamy’s arm? an ipod? a guitar tuner?
    [/quote]
    [quote]
    LMAO!!! Keamy was playing some guitar hero on the back deck prior to slicing the docs throat.
    [/quote]
    I was looking through some of the latest screen capture pics, and the box that his arm device came out of said – ACME Altitude Booster – and was sent from a “Wiley E. Coyote” in Grand Canyon, AZ.

    Apparently when the Island jumps the Dharma Shark tonight, he wants to stay dry.
    [:^)

  502. docjock says:

    can a sci-fi show shark jump?

    perhaps with a series of very specials…

    Alan Alda directs?

  503. Rita says:

    [quote comment="221566"] -Alpert being upset and 7y/o John. It’s in essence the same thing thats always ‘plagued’ John. He’s always been a perfect fit EVERYWHERE, except for one little thing. Not always the same thing… but there was always ONE thing.
    [/quote]
    *************************************
    I’ve thought about John “fitting in” too, and I find that he doesn’t seem to fit ANYWHERE, though he desperately wants to. There is always something, your one little thing, that keeps him from truly belonging. It’s like he was “made” for something/somewhere else, and until he finds it (the island?), he will never belong anywhere. It’s this that has always tripped him up. He has always denied his true nature, done whatever to try to fit in, but it has never worked.

  504. mylee says:

    i havent read through all the comments so i dont know if this was mentioned, but how does Locke NOT remember Alpert’s visits throughout his life? i know they only showed 2, 3 if you count his birth, but im sure alpert visited Locke many more times to see if Locke was ‘ready’.

  505. Miraks says:

    [quote comment="221582"]i havent read through all the comments so i dont know if this was mentioned, but how does Locke NOT remember Alpert’s visits throughout his life? i know they only showed 2, 3 if you count his birth, but im sure alpert visited Locke many more times to see if Locke was ‘ready’.[/quote]
    He might remember him, but I don’t remember Locke and Alpert actualy coming face to face on the Island yet?

  506. mylee says:

    maybe ‘moving’ the island means moving to the ‘other island’. remember when ben showed sawyer the island they came from, and that they were currently on another island a couple of miles away? maybe ben/others know of a way to make one island ‘visible’ at a time, staging the physical location to be somewhere else…but a couple of miles between the 2 (perhaps more) islands isnt much of a difference in location, is it?

  507. docjock says:

    Alpert gives Locke Sawyer’s file after he refuses to kill his father as directed by Ben.

  508. mylee says:

    [quote comment="221583"][quote comment="221582"]i havent read through all the comments so i dont know if this was mentioned, but how does Locke NOT remember Alpert’s visits throughout his life? i know they only showed 2, 3 if you count his birth, but im sure alpert visited Locke many more times to see if Locke was ‘ready’.[/quote]
    He might remember him, but I don’t remember Locke and Alpert actualy coming face to face on the Island yet?[/quote]

    they did, when alpert approached locke and showed that he knew about him, and showed locke how he can kill his father without actually killing him.

  509. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="221582"]… how does Locke NOT remember Alpert’s visits throughout his life? i know they only showed 2, 3 if you count his birth, but im sure alpert visited Locke many more times to see if Locke was ‘ready’.[/quote]

    Alpert visited Locke when he was an infant, and when he was six or seven. He talked to the science teacher when Locke was a teenager. Abaddon came to see Locke in the rehab center. I don’t remember Alpert visiting Locke again.

    I don’t know about you (and we all know MY memory seems to be suffering), but I don’t remember ever adult I ever talked to before the age of ten!

    I think it is plausible that Locke would not remember Alpert. Abaddon, I think he will remember.

    : ) P

  510. Miraks says:

    [quote comment="221587"][quote comment="221583"][quote comment="221582"]i havent read through all the comments so i dont know if this was mentioned, but how does Locke NOT remember Alpert’s visits throughout his life? i know they only showed 2, 3 if you count his birth, but im sure alpert visited Locke many more times to see if Locke was ‘ready’.[/quote]
    He might remember him, but I don’t remember Locke and Alpert actualy coming face to face on the Island yet?[/quote]

    they did, when alpert approached locke and showed that he knew about him, and showed locke how he can kill his father without actually killing him.[/quote]
    ________________

    My bad- you’re right. But I still don’t think it odd that he doesn’t rember him. He only met him once for 5 minutes. I have a hard time picturing the faces of all my elementary teachers and I saw them every day.

  511. DocH says:

    [quote comment="221591"]
    But I still don’t think it odd that he doesn’t rember him. He only met him once for 5 minutes. I have a hard time picturing the faces of all my elementary teachers and I saw them every day.
    [/quote]
    Agreed. Maternity post-op was the 1st visit. 5 yr old interview was the 2nd. Nothing after that until the island (that we know of). Same deal with teachers faces for me at that age, except, I might ask, “Mom, why was that man wearing so much halloween eye make-up around his eyes?”

  512. Julie says:

    [quote comment="221582"]i havent read through all the comments so i dont know if this was mentioned, but how does Locke NOT remember Alpert’s visits throughout his life? i know they only showed 2, 3 if you count his birth, but im sure alpert visited Locke many more times to see if Locke was ‘ready’.[/quote]
    Do I VAGUELY remember Locke looking at Alpert and saying “Dont I know you?”

  513. Tim says:

    [quote comment="221281"]The time travel thing is difficult for me to get my head around. I am working on it! But here is a question for anyone to chime in and answer, please:

    I understand about traveling BACK in time, to a PLACE in the PAST you may or may not have already been, but no further back than the beginning of your own life.

    I can even understand the idea of traveling back in time to a TIME you may NOT have been in, BEFORE your life began. Because this time has already OCCURRED.

    I can understand being IN the past, and traveling back to the “present” time. This would be the “future” if you are in the past, but “present” of right now.

    I do NOT understand traveling into a time that has NOT YET HAPPENED!

    : ) P[/quote]

    In four dimensions, everything has already happened from the beginning of time to the end of time. As a matter of fact, everything is happening at the same time, from the beginning of time to the end of time. You are just experiencing one time unit at a time. Somehow you are advancing through that time dimension in a uniform manner.
    I personally don’t believe it but hey, it’s Sci-Fi.

    But think of it like this. Take a two dimension representation of life. For instance, the individual frames from a movie. Then take each frame separately and place them side by side, in frame order. The thickness of that is the time dimension. You can look at any time by going to the exact frame, from beginning to end.

  514. Sahara says:

    [quote comment="220616"][quote comment="220552"] the time travel is all mental.[/quote]
    I think the orchid film with the #15 rabbit and Ben’s latest FF prove this otherwise.
    [quote comment="220553"]
    LOST usually has very good “attention to detail” when it comes to props & continuity. As a somewhat selfish mercenary (read – thug for hire), Keamy doesn’t satisfy my criteria as a self-sacrificing ‘human-bomb’. But I could be wrong.
    [/quote]
    While I disagree with the “attention to detail” comment ( there have been numerous bloopers and continuity errors ), I agree that Keamy is not a suicidal bomber. He is a merc. His goal is the money UNLESS he has a personal vendetta against Ben or someone on the island. He also may well know of a way off the island.[/quote]

    first time poster, long time reader; I agree that Keamy is not suicidal. He seems too cocky, and arrogant to voluntarily kill himself; there HAS to be something in it for him, or why else would he have signed up for the freighter-job in the first place? And i agree it has to be more than money for him; He seems to enjoy inflicting pain but it all seems more personal than just a job he was hired for. Love this blog!

  515. Evan says:

    PJ- I agree that the typed word cannot be interpreted in the way I intended, and also, I’m sorry that you interpret things so poorly, I wouldn’t be on this site if I thought you guys were losers, so chill out, I wasn’t the one being hostile…I was just trying to make it clear that it was a theory I threw out there that got shot down, so when I found out I was right, I was excited…be easy

  516. Ashlee says:

    From Season 1 Episode 4- entitled ” Walkabout”!

    Tour Agent: The Walkabouts we arrange here are not just a stroll through the park. It’s trekking through vast stretches of desert, rousting bloody treacherous woods.
    Locke: Look, you’ve got no idea who you’re talking to. I’m well aware of what’s involved, believe me. I probably know more than you on the subject.
    Tour Agent: In any case, it’s a trying ordeal for someone in peak physical condition, let alone…
    Locke: Look, I booked this tour a month ago, you’ve already got my money. Now, I demand a place on that bus.
    Tour Agent: You misrepresented yourself.
    Locke: I never lied.
    Tour Agent: By omission, Mr. Locke. You neglected to tell us about your condition.
    Locke: My condition is not an issue. I’ve lived with it for 4 years. It’s never kept me from doing anything.
    Tour Agent: Look, unfortunately it is an issue for our insurance company. I can’t keep the bus waiting any longer. It isn’t fair to the other people.
    Locke: Hey, don’t talk to me about fair!
    Tour Agent: I can get you on a plane back to Sydney on our dime. That’s the best I can do.
    Locke: No. I don’t want to go back to Sydney. Look I’ve been preparing for this for years. Just put me on the bus, right now, I can do this.
    Tour Agent: No, you can’t.
    LOCKE: Hey, hey, don’t you walk away from me. [The wheelchair reveal]. You don’t know who you’re dealing with. Don’t ever tell me what I can’t do, ever. This is destiny. This is destiny. This is my destiny. (yelling) I’m supposed to do this, dammit. Don’t tell me what I can’t do. Don’t tell me what I can’t. . .

    [The bus pulls away. We see a shot of Locke on the beach when he comes to, from the beginning of the episode. Putting his shoes on, getting up, Jack calls to him for help and he goes. Shot of Locke back at the memorial. Shot of fuselage on fire. Locke looks over at the wheelchair and smiles.]

    Thought that was interesting. ^-^

    and a random note: I hope Keamy doesn’t kill himself/die!!! I love him, he’s also beautiful! Even though he killed my favorite character, Alex =(

  517. Hammer says:

    Is anyone else having trouble getting into the TNPLH thread?

  518. PJSander says:

    Oh Hammer, yes! I haven’t been able to get in all day (error message) and when I emailed the webmaster (as the error message requested), it came back undeliverable!

    I have been going through LOST withdrawal!

    Glad to hear I am not the only one.

    : ) P

  519. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="225844"]Oh Hammer, yes! I haven’t been able to get in all day (error message) and when I emailed the webmaster (as the error message requested), it came back undeliverable!

    I have been going through LOST withdrawal!

    Glad to hear I am not the only one.

    : ) P[/quote]
    +++++++++++++++++++++
    I sent one to Will & Nick too…..nothing.

  520. PJSander says:

    Hammer, no one else has come here looking for what is going on. Do you think the smoke monster got them? Was there another purge? Do they all work for Widmore?

    Did they move the island, er, I mean blog, and not tell us?

    : ) P

  521. Hammer says:

    LOL!

  522. DocH says:

    I checked here yesterday.

    Then when I rechecked this morning THIS page had the same “Server Error”/

  523. DocH says:

    [quote comment="226136"]
    Did they move the island,
    [/quote]
    They did. But they lifted with their backs and not their legs, like they should have. Now they have falllen – and can’t get up.
    [;^)

  524. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="226160"]They did [move the island]. But they lifted with their backs and not their legs, like they should have. Now they have falllen – and can’t get up.
    [;^)[/quote]

    LOL. Better hope Abaddon subscribes to ‘life alert’ or that Hurley figures out what the “new” numbers are!

    : ) P

  525. Trixanna says:

    I am having Lost withdrawals with TNPLH blog being down!!! Help! I am afraid that all my LA sponsors are having a nice holiday weekend and can’t help me!!! Yikes!!!

  526. Miss Kim says:

    Happy Memorial Day y’all. Guess the server is still down…..Who are we now? The O5?

  527. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="226256"]Happy Memorial Day y’all. Guess the server is still down…..Who are we now? The O5?[/quote]

    Well now, let’s see.

    DocH is a doc – so he’s Jack.

    Hammer has military experience – so he’s Sayid.

    Trixanna and Miss Kim can duke it out to decide which one is Kate and which one is Sun.

    That leaves Hurley and Aaron. Hmmm. I am blonde, but not a baby. And some would say I am heavy set. So I will be Hurley.

    Next person to show up “here” is Aaron by default.

    How does that sound? *g*

    : ) P

    ps – On this day, Memorial Day, let me thank you, Hammer, for your service. I hope your friends come home safe, and soon.

  528. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="226269"]
    Next person to show up “here” is Aaron by default.
    [/quote]
    Even though it is by default, I would be happy to be Aaron… we have the same color hair and I would like to lie about my age also.

    Happy Memorial Day all !!! And Thank You to ALL the Veterans’. :)

  529. Rita says:

    [quote comment="226335"][quote comment="226269"]
    Next person to show up “here” is Aaron by default.
    [/quote]
    Even though it is by default, I would be happy to be Aaron… we have the same color hair and I would like to lie about my age also.

    Happy Memorial Day all !!! And Thank You to ALL the Veterans’. :)[/quote]
    ***************************
    OK, who does that make me then? I’m not black, but I would still like to be Rose. Juliet and Charlotte aren’t that nice. Any news about the TNPLH thread? (I am relieved to see you all here, I about freaked when I got home from the weekend, ran to the computer for my LOST fix, and found the site down!!!!!)

  530. Rita says:

    [quote comment="226382"][quote comment="226335"][quote comment="226269"]
    Next person to show up “here” is Aaron by default.
    [/quote]
    Even though it is by default, I would be happy to be Aaron… we have the same color hair and I would like to lie about my age also.

    Happy Memorial Day all !!! And Thank You to ALL the Veterans’. :)[/quote]
    ***************************
    OK, who does that make me then? I’m not black, but I would still like to be Rose. Juliet and Charlotte aren’t that nice. Any news about the TNPLH thread? (I am relieved to see you all here, I about freaked when I got home from the weekend, ran to the computer for my LOST fix, and found the site down!!!!!)[/quote]
    *************************
    I forgot to add that the other benefit of being Rose, is that I get to stay on the island with my hubby! Neener neener.
    Happy Memorial Day to all, and especially to our wonderful vets!

  531. DocH says:

    for those that need a holiday LOST fix
    Jeff Jensen’s review (4 pages) @

    http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20201750,00.html

  532. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="226269"][quote comment="226256"]Happy Memorial Day y’all. Guess the server is still down…..Who are we now? The O5?[/quote]

    Well now, let’s see.

    DocH is a doc – so he’s Jack.

    Hammer has military experience – so he’s Sayid.

    Trixanna and Miss Kim can duke it out to decide which one is Kate and which one is Sun.

    That leaves Hurley and Aaron. Hmmm. I am blonde, but not a baby. And some would say I am heavy set. So I will be Hurley.

    Next person to show up “here” is Aaron by default.

    How does that sound? *g*

    : ) P

    ps – On this day, Memorial Day, let me thank you, Hammer, for your service. I hope your =come home safe, and soon.[/quote]
    +++++++++++
    PJ, I’ve never served, I think you are mistaking me for DocH.

    So I’ll pile on and thank DocH and everyone who does what they do….for all of us.

  533. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="226386"][quote comment="226382"][quote comment="226335"][quote comment="226269"]
    Next person to show up “here” is Aaron by default.
    [/quote]
    Even though it is by default, I would be happy to be Aaron… we have the same color hair and I would like to lie about my age also.

    Happy Memorial Day all !!! And Thank You to ALL the Veterans’. :)[/quote]
    ***************************
    OK, who does that make me then? I’m not black, but I would still like to be Rose. Juliet and Charlotte aren’t that nice. Any news about the TNPLH thread? (I am relieved to see you all here, I about freaked when I got home from the weekend, ran to the computer for my LOST fix, and found the site down!!!!!)[/quote]
    *************************
    I forgot to add that the other benefit of being Rose, is that I get to stay on the island with my hubby! Neener neener.
    Happy Memorial Day to all, and especially to our wonderful vets![/quote]
    ++++++++++++++++++++++
    Since I am no longer Sayid, I’ll take Aaron since I whine everyone doesn’t agree with my theories. :)

  534. Hammer says:

    Actually, if you want to keep my as Sayid, I’m okay with that. I have plenty of firearms experience, and have been known to “torture” folks with my goofy personality and horrilbe blogging grammar. :)

  535. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="226535"]Actually, if you want to keep my as Sayid, I’m okay with that. I have plenty of firearms experience, and have been known to “torture” folks with my goofy personality and horrilbe blogging grammar. :)[/quote]

    And typos apparently *g*

    “horrilbe”

    But now that we are more than “6” I guess we can just go back to being our ordinary selves!

    Mea Culpa, DocH. Thank YOU for your service. Thank you to all our heroes for their service!

    : ) P

  536. DocH says:

    Lets’ not forget to honor the many that have fallen on LOST.
    – – – –
    Bonnie – Security @ The Looking Glass
    Moroccan Drug Dealers – Killed while doing business with Eko
    Eko Tunde – Drug lord turned Priest
    Libby – Clinical Psychologist & then some
    Eloise T.R. – Pet of Daniel Faraday, loyal friend, hemophiliac
    Elsa – Love interest of Sayid & assassin
    Greta – Security @ The Looking Glass
    Paulo – Chef, Diamond Thief, spider bait
    Doc Arzt – Jr. High Science Teacher, blast test dummy
    Sr. Avellino – Italian Businessman, Sayids’ golf buddy
    Mikhail “TIMEX” Bakunin – Tactical & Technical support
    Dr. Ed Burke – Ex-Husband of Juliet Burke, bumper-sticker
    Ishmael Bakir – Nadia assassin, target practice
    Boone Carlyle – Rescuer of step-sister
    Anthony Cooper – Con man extraordinaire
    Ana-Lucia Cortez – Anger Management poster child
    Naomi Dorrit – Freighter Search Team Leader, dart board
    Frank Duckett – Former grifter. Runs a shrimp truck until Sawyer finds him.
    Nikki Fernandez – Actress, Diamond Thief
    Mary Ford – Sawyer’s mom, con target
    Tom F. – Man of many beards, scalawag, pirate
    Henry Gale – Balloon Adventurer
    Horace Goodspeed – Mathematician, carpenter
    Kelvin Inman – CIA Operative, button pusher
    Wayne Jansen – “Father” of Kate, sleeps through anything
    Nadia Jarrah – Lab tech, Sayids’ betrothed
    Bea Klugh – A Significant “Other”
    Jae Lee – Love interest of Sun, failed parachutist
    Emily Linus – Ben’s mom, source of bug-eyed DNA
    Roger Linus – Ben’s source of angst, beer aficionado
    Susan Lloyd-Porter – Lawyer, Michael loather
    Marshall Ed Mars – Captures Kate to return to U.S.,
    Jason McCormick – Ana-Lucia’s criminal nemesis
    George Minkowski – Freighter Communications Officer
    Seth Norris – Ill-fated OA815 Pilot, loyal husband
    Charles Hieronymus Pace – Singer, bassist for Driveshaft, good swimmer
    Colleen Pickett – Ill-fated Other
    Danny Pickett – Target practice for Juliet
    Tito Reyes – Hurley’s grandfather
    Dr. Ethan Rom – Mittelos Bioscience, Team Ben grunt
    Alex Rousseau-Linus – Teenager in love, daddy’s girl
    Karl – Teenager in love, daddy’s biggest enemy
    Danielle Rousseau – Survivalist, explosives expert, bipolar, mixed martial artist
    Adam Rutherford – Shannon’s sugar-daddy
    Shannon Rutherford – Ballet Instructor, manipulator of men, nice tan
    Christian Shephard – Chief of Surgery, party animal, philanderer
    Goodwin Stanhope – Team Ben grunt, adulterer
    Tricia Tanaka – Hurley interviewer, news reporter, meteorite magnet
    Yemi Tunde – Eko’s ill-begotten brother
    Howard Zukerman – TV producer, Nikki-lover
    – – – –
    While the list is nowhere near complete, these few will not be forgotten.

  537. DocH says:

    Lets’ not forget to honor the many that have fallen on LOST.
    – – – –
    Bonnie – Security @ The Looking Glass
    Moroccan Drug Dealers – Killed while doing business with Eko
    Eko Tunde – Drug lord turned Priest
    Libby – Clinical Psychologist & then some
    Eloise T.R. – Pet of Daniel Faraday, loyal friend, hemophiliac
    Elsa – Love interest of Sayid & assassin
    Greta – Security @ The Looking Glass
    Paulo – Chef, Diamond Thief, spider bait
    Doc Arzt – Jr. High Science Teacher, blast test dummy
    Sr. Avellino – Italian Businessman, Sayids’ golf buddy
    Mikhail “TIMEX” Bakunin – Tactical & Technical support
    Dr. Ed Burke – Ex-Husband of Juliet Burke, bumper-sticker
    Ishmael Bakir – Nadia assassin, target practice
    Boone Carlyle – Rescuer of step-sister
    Anthony Cooper – Con man extraordinaire
    Ana-Lucia Cortez – Anger Management poster child
    Naomi Dorrit – Freighter Search Team Leader, dart board
    Frank Duckett – Former grifter. Runs a shrimp truck until Sawyer finds him.
    Nikki Fernandez – Actress, Diamond Thief
    Mary Ford – Sawyer’s mom, con target
    Tom F. – Man of many beards, scalawag, pirate
    Henry Gale – Balloon Adventurer
    Horace Goodspeed – Mathematician, carpenter
    Kelvin Inman – CIA Operative, button pusher
    Wayne Jansen – “Father” of Kate, sleeps through anything
    Nadia Jarrah – Lab tech, Sayids’ betrothed
    Bea Klugh – A Significant “Other”
    Jae Lee – Love interest of Sun, failed parachutist
    Emily Linus – Ben’s mom, source of bug-eyed DNA
    Roger Linus – Ben’s source of angst, beer aficionado
    Susan Lloyd-Porter – Lawyer, Michael loather
    Marshall Ed Mars – Captures Kate to return to U.S.,
    Jason McCormick – Ana-Lucia’s criminal nemesis
    George Minkowski – Freighter Communications Officer
    Seth Norris – Ill-fated OA815 Pilot, loyal husband
    Charles Hieronymus Pace – Singer, bassist for Driveshaft, good swimmer
    Colleen Pickett – Ill-fated Other
    Danny Pickett – Target practice for Juliet
    Tito Reyes – Hurley’s grandfather
    Dr. Ethan Rom – Mittelos Bioscience, Team Ben grunt
    Alex Rousseau-Linus – Teenager in love, daddy’s girl
    Karl – Teenager in love, daddy’s biggest enemy
    Danielle Rousseau – Survivalist, explosives expert, bipolar, mixed martial artist
    Adam Rutherford – Shannon’s sugar-daddy
    Shannon Rutherford – Ballet Instructor, manipulator of men, nice tan
    Christian Shephard – Chief of Surgery, party animal, philanderer
    Goodwin Stanhope – Team Ben grunt, adulterer
    Tricia Tanaka – Hurley interviewer, news reporter, meteorite magnet
    Yemi Tunde – Eko’s ill-begotten brother
    Howard Zukerman – TV producer, Nikki-lover
    – – – –
    While the list is no where near complete, these few will not be forgotten.

  538. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="226559"]Lets’ not forget to honor the many that have fallen on LOST.

    *snip*

    While the list is nowhere near complete, these few will not be forgotten.[/quote]

    Oh mylanta, DocH! That was hilarious!

    I notice that your list did not include Claire, but DID include Charlie. *bg* I admit that unless Charlie shows up in this week’s two hour finale (75 hours, 11 minutes and 20 seconds away), it DOESN’T look good for my theory. I intend to hold out hope for the seven months we have to wait, though!

    : ) P

  539. Trixanna says:

    Wow! When you put all the deceased on one list, it looks pretty bad! I never really thought of this as a violent show so it seems really odd to see that list!!!

  540. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="226562"][quote comment="226559"]Lets’ not forget to honor the many that have fallen on LOST.

    *snip*

    While the list is nowhere near complete, these few will not be forgotten.[/quote]

    Oh mylanta, DocH! That was hilarious!

    I notice that your list did not include Claire, but DID include Charlie. *bg* I admit that unless Charlie shows up in this week’s two hour finale (75 hours, 11 minutes and 20 seconds away), it DOESN’T look good for my theory. I intend to hold out hope for the seven months we have to wait, though!

    : ) P[/quote]
    ++++++++++
    Good for you PJ, stick to your guns ’til proven otherwise!

    “horrilbe” = continued torture until they pay me for a proof reader!

  541. Hammer says:

    Well, still no response to my mail to the owners of the site….how dare they take the weekend off?! :)

    Anywhooo, I just got back from the new Indy movie….pretty cool that the put some sci-fi stuff in it.

  542. DocH says:

    Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of Crystal Sequels?

    (ha… I just dreamt the end of LOST.)

  543. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="226596"]Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of Crystal Sequels?

    (ha… I just dreamt the end of LOST.)[/quote]
    +++++++++
    Yeah, pretty predictable and much like the others. It was pretty good though.

  544. Miss Kim says:

    I’m glad to see that a few more have “found the island” since it has been moved. It kind of makes you think…..there should really be a “back-up plan” if something were to really happen to this blog. I had taken a respite from posting, but still looked forward to reading what everyone else was saying. (Some may say I should get a life….but I’m pretty happy with the way things are.)

  545. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="226608"]I’m glad to see that a few more have “found the island” since it has been moved. It kind of makes you think…..there should really be a “back-up plan” if something were to really happen to this blog. I had taken a respite from posting, but still looked forward to reading what everyone else was saying. (Some may say I should get a life….but I’m pretty happy with the way things are.)[/quote]

    Okay, well challenge me to be more prepared, and that’s what you’ll get. Here is a link to our “back-up plan” (thanks for the idea, Miss Kim):

    http://theymovedtheisland.blogspot.com/

    : ) P

  546. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="226610"][quote comment="226608"]I’m glad to see that a few more have “found the island” since it has been moved. It kind of makes you think…..there should really be a “back-up plan” if something were to really happen to this blog. I had taken a respite from posting, but still looked forward to reading what everyone else was saying. (Some may say I should get a life….but I’m pretty happy with the way things are.)[/quote]

    Okay, well challenge me to be more prepared, and that’s what you’ll get. Here is a link to our “back-up plan” (thanks for the idea, Miss Kim):

    http://theymovedtheisland.blogspot.com/

    : ) P[/quote]
    +++++++++++++++
    I’m in….you have your first comment. :)

  547. Miss Kim says:

    PJSander, you’re my hero. I’ll sleep soooo much better knowing that there is a “Plan B”.

  548. PJSander says:

    Looks like they moved the island back. I will keep

    http://theymovedtheisland.blogspot.com/

    up, just in case it happens again.

    : ) P

  549. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="226824"]Looks like they moved the island back. I will keep

    http://theymovedtheisland.blogspot.com/

    up, just in case it happens again.

    : ) P[/quote]

    +++++++++++
    Yes, please….I know that after the finale, this blog will get overwhelmed….I’ll probablly bounce over when it happens.

  550. stretchlimo says:

    Wow

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