There’s No Place Like Home, Part 1

No Place Like Home - Lost Season 4
Lost’s two part, three hour season finale begins tonight, and if last week was any indication, then the final 3 hours of Lost this season are going to be incredible. We get one hour tonight, followed by a two week break, then we get the remaining two hours of the finale. It is still difficult, at this point, to determine why only the six get off the Island – and further, why just those six. We will definitely start to get a clearer picture of that tonight.

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The showdown between the survivors and the freighter people begins.

A relatively vague (imagine that!) show description, but based on what I know the general flow of tonight’s episode and the finale will be about how the Oceanic Six get off the Island, along with flash forwards detailing their homecoming of sorts.

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846 Responses to There’s No Place Like Home, Part 1

  1. PJSander says:

    The countdown begins! seven hours, nine minutes and fourteen seconds.

    Tick
    tick
    tick

    : ) P

  2. DocH says:

    Instead of speculating & spoiling (no previews for me), I’ll just start with my finale wish:

    1) I want to see the Others that went to the Temple get back in to the mix somehow.

    2) I want more Orchid clues/insight.

    3) I want Sawyer & Miles to do something brilliant together (soon).

    4) I want Ben to pull off of his super-duper, aha, you all fell for it, plans.

    5) I want a few more ideas about The Four-Toed Statue.

  3. lola says:

    [quote comment="221588"]Instead of speculating & spoiling (no previews for me), I’ll just start with my finale wish:

    1) I want to see the Others that went to the Temple get back in to the mix somehow.

    2) I want more Orchid clues/insight.

    3) I want Sawyer & Miles to do something brilliant together (soon).

    4) I want Ben to pull off of his super-duper, aha, you all fell for it, plans.

    5) I want a few more ideas about The Four-Toed Statue.[/quote]
    i DON’T want to wait 2 more weeks. bummer, i thought it was only 1

  4. lola says:

    [quote comment="221588"]Instead of speculating & spoiling (no previews for me), I’ll just start with my finale wish:

    1) I want to see the Others that went to the Temple get back in to the mix somehow.

    2) I want more Orchid clues/insight.

    3) I want Sawyer & Miles to do something brilliant together (soon).

    4) I want Ben to pull off of his super-duper, aha, you all fell for it, plans.

    5) I want a few more ideas about The Four-Toed Statue.[/quote]
    I DON’T want to wait 2 more weeks; bummer I thought there was only 1 week in between…

  5. lola says:

    I DON’T want wait 2 more weeks-bummer I thought there was only 1 in between…

  6. lost4ever says:

    I wonder if tonight’s episode will have the island be the present or the past….watch for those “whoosh” sounds.
    Also, how long has it been since we have heard “PREVIOUSLY ON LOST”, I can’t remember, if not this week surely in 2 weeks.

  7. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="221607"]I DON’T want wait 2 more weeks-bummer I thought there was only 1 in between…[/quote]
    There is only one week off. May 15- part 1
    May 22- no show May 29-part 2 and 3

  8. lola says:

    [quote comment="221610"][quote comment="221607"]I DON’T want wait 2 more weeks-bummer I thought there was only 1 in between…[/quote]
    There is only one week off. May 15- part 1
    May 22- no show May 29-part 2 and 3[/quote]
    thank god:)

  9. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="221605"]
    i DON’T want to wait 2 more weeks. bummer, i thought it was only 1[/quote]

    One Thursday “off” between the two parts of the episode, which means two weeks between episodes.

    : ) P

  10. Rita says:

    Oh how I wish we could have the whole 3 hours tonight, and that it would really be THREE COMMERCIAL FREE HOURS.

  11. jaime says:

    So, do you think we will FINALLY find out who is in that damn coffin tonight??? Yes, yes, i said the C word…i have this funny feeling that it’s going to be Locke. Not quite sure why or how,just a feeling I got today.
    I’m also looking forward to finding out how the 6 actually get off the island and back home.
    Will we see the Orchid tonight…find out where it is and see the inside?
    And I’m with you DocH on fiding out where the Temple and the Others are.

  12. lostfreak says:

    i can’t wait for tonight’s episode.
    this season has been really good so far and hopefully this episode will be just as great, with a little less comercials.

  13. DocH says:

    I am interested to hear the top few items on everyone’s “Wish List” for the 3 season finale episodes. Stuff that will tide you over until Jan 2009… not the big stuff you want for the series finale – 37 episodes from now, but the smaller stuff.

  14. Rita says:

    [quote comment="221632"]I am interested to hear the top few items on everyone’s “Wish List” for the 3 season finale episodes. Stuff that will tide you over until Jan 2009… not the big stuff you want for the series finale – 37 episodes from now, but the smaller stuff.[/quote]
    *******************************
    OK, here’s mine:
    1. What is the 4 toed stature?
    2. What is the temple?
    3. What happens to the people who stay on the island?
    4. What are the back-stories for
    a. Danielle
    b. Any freighter tots
    c. Richard Alpert
    If we could find this out, I would be content for a (very) little while.

  15. DocH says:

    [quote comment="221634"]
    OK, here’s mine:
    4. What are the back-stories for
    b. Any freighter tots
    [/quote]
    Good one. I’ll add this one to my list too. Seems like we got them tossed in our supper dish really early in the season, and we got all excited at the interesting new ‘kibble-n-bits’ they added to the show, but production really hasn’t returned/FB’d to any of them, except when we see Dan with FB Des in “The Constant’.

  16. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="221632"]I am interested to hear the top few items on everyone’s “Wish List” for the 3 season finale episodes. Stuff that will tide you over until Jan 2009… not the big stuff you want for the series finale – 37 episodes from now, but the smaller stuff.[/quote]

    4) where are the children from flight 815?
    8) what is the four-toed statue?
    15) why does Alpert not age?
    16) why does he wear so much eye-liner?
    23) IS Charlie alive (you knew I would put that!)
    42) why THESE numbers?

    : ) P

  17. DocH says:

    [quote comment="221638"]
    16) why does he wear so much eye-liner?
    42) why THESE numbers?
    [/quote]
    I am guessing they will keep us hooked on the “Numbers” for at least 35 more episodes.

    As for the eye-liner, who knows? He may not have to wear it anymore… once he learns Tom is dead. (sorry… bad joke.)

  18. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="221666"]As for the eye-liner, who knows? He may not have to wear it anymore… once he learns Tom is dead. (sorry… bad joke.)[/quote]

    Bad, yes. But still funny!

    : ) P

  19. RD says:

    Do we find out if Claire is dead?
    What happens to Rose?

  20. firefly knight says:

    jaime brought up “the coffin” and i think that is a reference to the flash forward where jack went to a funeral home. i too have wondered who is in the coffin and i would assume(probably wrongly) that is one of the “oceanic six”. does any one else have any guesses or theories?

  21. lola says:

    [quote comment="221632"]I am interested to hear the top few items on everyone’s “Wish List” for the 3 season finale episodes. Stuff that will tide you over until Jan 2009… not the big stuff you want for the series finale – 37 episodes from now, but the smaller stuff.[/quote]
    1.anything sawyer
    2.sayid kicking ass
    3 desmond surviving

  22. lost chicka says:

    [quote comment="221705"][quote comment="221666"]As for the eye-liner, who knows? He may not have to wear it anymore… once he learns Tom is dead. (sorry… bad joke.)[/quote]

    Bad, yes. But still funny!

    : ) P[/quote]

    I wonder if Alpert has a murse???? ;P

  23. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="221632"]I am interested to hear the top few items on everyone’s “Wish List” for the 3 season finale episodes. Stuff that will tide you over until Jan 2009… not the big stuff you want for the series finale – 37 episodes from now, but the smaller stuff.[/quote]
    1. How did Ben end up in The Sahara Desert in Oct 2005?
    2. Who are “they” that Ben referred to when Hurley asked about the purge?
    3. Is Hurley still rich?
    4. Is DUI Jin REALLY dead?
    5. Charlie’s corpse displayed for PJ :)
    6. Anything “WAAAALT”, (except Michael screaming it of course)

    My coffin guess is Desmond. I too wish for freighter backstories ( damn writer’s strike). They said in a podcast they got cut this year but were planning for next year.

  24. DocH says:

    [quote comment="221722"]
    jaime brought up “the coffin”… i would assume(probably wrongly) that is one of the “oceanic six”. does any one else have any guesses or theories?
    [/quote]
    The casket has been on everyones mind for a year… they may be bringing it back for finale time too. Hope they don’t tho. It’s been OA6 this year and we heard that two others survived the flight, but did not survive until rescue. That’s two we have to figure out plus the casket. Three bodies to account for???

    I could see where Claire might show-up as MIA from the OA8.

    Des and Michael are freighter-bound. I think you could rationalize that one of those two are in the casket, now that things are going poorly where they are. The casket scene is about three years into the future. Maybe the freighter is stuck in time that long, before it is recovered. Michael is known to the OA6 as a traitor… Des as a trusted friend. Why would no one go to Des’ memorial service? Unless he really messes things up on the freighter.

  25. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="221757"]
    The casket has been on everyones mind for a year… they may be bringing it back for finale time too. [/quote]
    I though they stated that we would know who is in the coffin by season’s end. Maybe not tonight though. Season 5 …. how does this person end up in the coffin.

  26. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="221757"] The casket has been on everyones mind for a year… they may be bringing it back for finale time too. Hope they don’t tho. It’s been OA6 this year and we heard that two others survived the flight, but did not survive until rescue. That’s two we have to figure out plus the casket. Three bodies to account for?[/quote]

    In a podcast (the “Mother’s Day” one if I remember correctly), I believe D&C said that we WOULD have an answer to who is in the casket by the end of this season.

    : ) P

  27. Tasha says:

    I will be REALLY disappointed if the vision of Claire and the baby getting on the helicopter does not come true because then Charlie died for absolutely nothing….of course we never saw the vision so maybe Desmond lied because HE wanted off the island!

    Regardless I already am 99% sure she isn’t getting on no helicopter…so they better find a way to bring MY Charlie back!!

  28. JamieGirl says:

    [quote comment="221630"]So, do you think we will FINALLY find out who is in that damn coffin tonight??? Yes, yes, i said the C word…i have this funny feeling that it’s going to be Locke. Not quite sure why or how,just a feeling I got today.
    I’m also looking forward to finding out how the 6 actually get off the island and back home.
    Will we see the Orchid tonight…find out where it is and see the inside?
    And I’m with you DocH on fiding out where the Temple and the Others are.[/quote]

    I thought we decided “Kevin Johnson” was in the coffin ???

  29. RAY says:

    [quote comment="221757"][quote comment="221722"]
    jaime brought up “the coffin”… i would assume(probably wrongly) that is one of the “oceanic six”. does any one else have any guesses or theories?
    [/quote]
    The casket has been on everyones mind for a year… they may be bringing it back for finale time too. Hope they don’t tho. It’s been OA6 this year and we heard that two others survived the flight, but did not survive until rescue. That’s two we have to figure out plus the casket. Three bodies to account for???

    I could see where Claire might show-up as MIA from the OA8.

    Des and Michael are freighter-bound. I think you could rationalize that one of those two are in the casket, now that things are going poorly where they are. The casket scene is about three years into the future. Maybe the freighter is stuck in time that long, before it is recovered. Michael is known to the OA6 as a traitor… Des as a trusted friend. Why would no one go to Des’ memorial service? Unless he really messes things up on the freighter.[/quote]
    ===

    I think it’s Michael for two reasons: 1) no one really cares for him because he left his friends with the scary others bound and with guns to their heads(which is why Kate said, “why would I go to HIS funeral?”) and 2) it’s in an African American neighborhood and he’s African American.

  30. JamieGirl says:

    I have to go by my memory because there are so many posts, but I’m pretty sure we discussed the newspaper clipping about the death that Jack had in the Season 3 finale and it had a “Jo” which some of us speculated was John Locke, but later learned of Michael’s new identity as Kevin Johnson, which Jack and Kate are privy to (somehow). The newspaper death announcement said he committed suicide (though it must have been a murder because we know Michael cannot commit suicide)…

  31. Gup says:

    1. I hate to really backtrack but I really want to know Libby’s story and why we saw her interact with several losties.
    2. I also would like the tots back stories, especially Charlotte’s and Miles.
    3. Of course, the coffin (I think it’s Michael/Kevin).

  32. JamieGirl says:

    I looked it up…
    “The newspaper clipping is an obituary that Jack ripped out of the Los Angeles Times. The article is about a man from New York who was found dead in Los Angeles. He first notices it on a flight from Sydney to Los Angeles. The man in the article seems to be someone both Kate and Jack know as Kate does not want to go to the funeral. However, the producers have said (despite what some people have deciphered from the article) that it would be re-written.

  33. Rita says:

    [quote comment="221781"]I have to go by my memory because there are so many posts, but I’m pretty sure we discussed the newspaper clipping about the death that Jack had in the Season 3 finale and it had a “Jo” which some of us speculated was John Locke, but later learned of Michael’s new identity as Kevin Johnson, which Jack and Kate are privy to (somehow). The newspaper death announcement said he committed suicide (though it must have been a murder because we know Michael cannot commit suicide)…[/quote]
    *****************************
    Well, at least he COULDN’T, but if the island is done with you, then who knows? But Michael has a mom and a son, so why wouldn’t ANYONE come to his funeral? I had thought too that it would be Michael, but now I really don’t know.

  34. JamieGirl says:

    [quote comment="221790"][quote comment="221781"]I have to go by my memory because there are so many posts, but I’m pretty sure we discussed the newspaper clipping about the death that Jack had in the Season 3 finale and it had a “Jo” which some of us speculated was John Locke, but later learned of Michael’s new identity as Kevin Johnson, which Jack and Kate are privy to (somehow). The newspaper death announcement said he committed suicide (though it must have been a murder because we know Michael cannot commit suicide)…[/quote]
    *****************************
    Well, at least he COULDN’T, but if the island is done with you, then who knows? But Michael has a mom and a son, so why wouldn’t ANYONE come to his funeral? I had thought too that it would be Michael, but now I really don’t know.[/quote]

    Because after the island “Michael goes to his mother’s house, who is caring for Walt. Michael’s mom doesn’t understand why they showed up at her house two months after the plane crash, and why she can’t tell anyone or call them by their real names. She also does not know why Walt is so distraught and having nightmares” (from Lostpedia).

  35. Trixanna says:

    Okay, since we are talking about the coffing… I think it is Michael. I think he was finally able to do himself in. Whatever hold the island had may no longer be in effect, as Rita stated. No Walt or Mom? Maybe they didn’t know about it or maybe he has alienated (sp???) himself and they don’t want to go. My money is on Michael. RIP Michael!

  36. Trixanna says:

    Ugh… coffin…. no coffing.

  37. Trixanna says:

    Coffin. Not Coffing. Grrr! However, too much “coffing” can take you to the coffin. Yes?

  38. KillerR says:

    It feels like they’re throwing us curveballs to take our minds off the 95 mph heater coming down the middle. You can bet the Kansas City Shuffle is coming and when it does we’ll all be caught off guard.

  39. lola says:

    [quote comment="221781"]I have to go by my memory because there are so many posts, but I’m pretty sure we discussed the newspaper clipping about the death that Jack had in the Season 3 finale and it had a “Jo” which some of us speculated was John Locke, but later learned of Michael’s new identity as Kevin Johnson, which Jack and Kate are privy to (somehow). The newspaper death announcement said he committed suicide (though it must have been a murder because we know Michael cannot commit suicide)…[/quote]
    and the obit said the person was from new york, survived by a teenage son (walt)-the “moving of the island” might have ended the effect the island has on michael’s hurting himself…however that that takes place roughly 2-2 &1/2 yrs from now depending on hold you think aaron is when shown after the trial

  40. lostislife says:

    Could someone explain to me what the Orchid is? I haven’t heard anything about it until reading this and would like to know before tonights episode. Thanks!

  41. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="221632"]I am interested to hear the top few items on everyone’s “Wish List” for the 3 season finale episodes. Stuff that will tide you over until Jan 2009… not the big stuff you want for the series finale – 37 episodes from now, but the smaller stuff.[/quote]
    Easy:

    1. Who are the Whisperers?
    2. Who is doing the whispering?
    3. Who whispers on the island?
    :)

  42. JamieGirl says:

    [quote comment="221800"][quote comment="221781"]I have to go by my memory because there are so many posts, but I’m pretty sure we discussed the newspaper clipping about the death that Jack had in the Season 3 finale and it had a “Jo” which some of us speculated was John Locke, but later learned of Michael’s new identity as Kevin Johnson, which Jack and Kate are privy to (somehow). The newspaper death announcement said he committed suicide (though it must have been a murder because we know Michael cannot commit suicide)…[/quote]
    and the obit said the person was from new york, survived by a teenage son (walt)-the “moving of the island” might have ended the effect the island has on michael’s hurting himself…however that that takes place roughly 2-2 &1/2 yrs from now depending on hold you think aaron is when shown after the trial[/quote]

    Re: New York… “Michael’s Oceanic plane tickets that he receives from Brian Porter are tickets for flights from Sydney to New York. He is the only character we know of that was on the plane but was not going to Los Angeles”.

    My wish for tonight is no more curve balls. Just one hour of answers.

  43. Trixanna says:

    My wish for tonight is NO COMMERCIALS!!!

  44. CAG says:

    Here’s my wish list:
    I want Jack to find out Claire is his sister

    I want to see Kate and Juliet to have a cat fight in the mud

    I want Locke’s actions to be validated.

    I want the Red Wings to win the cup!

  45. Rita says:

    [quote comment="221794"][quote comment="221790"][quote comment="221781"]I have to go by my memory because there are so many posts, but I’m pretty sure we discussed the newspaper clipping about the death that Jack had in the Season 3 finale and it had a “Jo” which some of us speculated was John Locke, but later learned of Michael’s new identity as Kevin Johnson, which Jack and Kate are privy to (somehow). The newspaper death announcement said he committed suicide (though it must have been a murder because we know Michael cannot commit suicide)…[/quote]
    *****************************
    Well, at least he COULDN’T, but if the island is done with you, then who knows? But Michael has a mom and a son, so why wouldn’t ANYONE come to his funeral? I had thought too that it would be Michael, but now I really don’t know.[/quote]

    Because after the island “Michael goes to his mother’s house, who is caring for Walt. Michael’s mom doesn’t understand why they showed up at her house two months after the plane crash, and why she can’t tell anyone or call them by their real names. She also does not know why Walt is so distraught and having nightmares” (from Lostpedia).[/quote]
    ***********************************
    Well, maybe (if it is Michael) his mom doesn’t know he is dead. I can’t imagine her NOT coming if she were able to do so. She might have to say it is a family member, or make up a story, but she would be there, and Walt with her. Most likely she doesn’t know the name he has been using, and was not notified of the death. Even a confused and distraught mom is still a mom.

  46. lost chicka says:

    [quote comment="221809"]Here’s my wish list:
    I want Jack to find out Claire is his sister

    I want to see Kate and Juliet to have a cat fight in the mud

    I want Locke’s actions to be validated.

    I want the Red Wings to win the cup![/quote]

    i don’t want to see kate and juliet have another cat fight in the mud (3rd season dude.) Boys…(rolls eyes) :)

  47. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="221801"]Could someone explain to me what the Orchid is? I haven’t heard anything about it until reading this and would like to know before tonights episode. Thanks![/quote]
    During comic con, they released an new orientation video for the station called the Orchid. In quick terms, the Asian looking Doc is talking and holding a rabbit with the no. 15 painted on it. While he’s talking somthing happens and suddenly there is another rabbit with no. 15 on it. There is some yelling about who screwed up and not to let the rabbits near each other. People are assuming that the expirementing going on was time travel and someone messed up and overlapped times creating the same rabbit from two times appearing at the same time…….

  48. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="221799"]It feels like they’re throwing us curveballs to take our minds off the 95 mph heater coming down the middle. You can bet the Kansas City Shuffle is coming and when it does we’ll all be caught off guard.[/quote]
    Yep, seems rather obvious that it’s Michael…but I’m hoping it’s the curve.

  49. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="221801"]Could someone explain to me what the Orchid is? I haven’t heard anything about it until reading this and would like to know before tonights episode. Thanks![/quote]

    Here, you can see it for yourself:

    It is also somewhere on the ABC website, but I don’t have time to look for it. THREE MINUTES!

    : ) P

  50. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="221809"]Here’s my wish list:
    I want Jack to find out Claire is his sister

    I want to see Kate and Juliet to have a cat fight in the mud

    I want Locke’s actions to be validated.

    I want the Red Wings to win the cup![/quote]
    Oh, I want to copy off CAG…and add the Pistons. Deeeeeetroit baaaaskett baaaaaaall!!

  51. Hammer says:

    Okay, that’s the second time Dan used his trusty notebook to “learn” something about what’s going on….dude’s been here before…and by here I mean place and time.

  52. PJSander says:

    WOWZER! The O6 on a plane! Whoo hoo!

    : ) P

  53. Kathy says:

    Okay my anticipation to this new ep is *Killing* me… but alas…

    I think the body in the coffin may be some one we have not yet met that maybe only Jack know (like some one on the freighter, Others at the temple, kids on the flight) that Kate never particularly feels close on island so doesn’t feel obliged to go to the funeral or something along those lines.

  54. omar says:

    sayid is gonna save the day!!!!!

  55. Michael says:

    Fantastic!

  56. PJSander says:

    IT is 10:22 and we already have SO many answers!

    : ) P

  57. Tasha says:

    Ok….CHARLIE died for NOTHING!!!!

  58. Kathy says:

    [quote comment="221819"]Okay my anticipation to this new ep is *Killing* me… but alas…

    I think the body in the coffin may be some one we have not yet met that maybe only Jack know (like some one on the freighter, Others at the temple, kids on the flight) that Kate never particularly feels close on island so doesn’t feel obliged to go to the funeral or something along those lines.[/quote]

    I meant….

    “…only Jack knows…”

    “…and Kate never particularly feels close too while on-island…”

  59. Hammer says:

    The cracker scene is almost as good as the candy bar scene.

  60. omar says:

    thats what im talking about, Sun!!!!

  61. Michael says:

    [quote comment="221826"]The cracker scene is almost as good as the candy bar scene.[/quote]
    +_+_+_+_+_+

    yeah.

  62. PJSander says:

    GO SUN! Kick some Daddy tooshie!

    LOL

    : ) P

    ps – Hammer, I agree with the cracker thought *G*

  63. Hammer says:

    Damn it…teasing me with the whispers.

  64. PJSander says:

    Too many COMMERCIALS!

    P

  65. omar says:

    “son of a bitch”!!!

  66. Michael says:

    Fantastic!!!

  67. omar says:

    claire!!!

  68. Hammer says:

    Okay, if Jin = dead and Jin + extras = boat, and Keamy has a pulse monitor then Keamy dying = boat explosion. No?

    How does Sun get off the freighter?

  69. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="221823"]Ok….CHARLIE died for NOTHING!!!![/quote]
    Not so quick!

  70. Tasha says:

    Wow so Claire’s mom has no idea that is her grandson….that’s pretty sad. She was in a coma then lost her daughter…she has a right to know!!!!

  71. Michael says:

    [quote comment="221842"]Wow so Claire’s mom has no idea that is her grandson….that’s pretty sad. She was in a coma then lost her daughter…she has a right to know!!!![/quote]
    +_+_+_+_+_

    I’m sure Jack thinks that as well. Hard struggle there.

  72. Rita says:

    Wow! Intense! I thought there were going to be whispers Hammer, sorry it didn’t turn out to be the right kind! Looks like the next ep in 2 weeks will be a cliff hanger for sure!
    Too bad we didn’t get any tot FBs, but we DID get to see (sort of ) the orchid station (also the temple??).

  73. Trixanna says:

    LOL Hammer… you were being thought of during the “whisper” scene!!!

    Great episode!!! I want more!!!

  74. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="221839"]Okay, if Jin = dead and Jin + extras = boat, and Keamy has a pulse monitor then Keamy dying = boat explosion. No?

    How does Sun get off the freighter?[/quote]

    We’re still a long way from all six of the O6 being in one place at the same time. Sayid and Kate are captives of Mr. Eyeliner. Jack is with Sawyer somewhere else. Sun is on the freighter with Aaron. Hurley is outside the Orchid Station.

    When I saw Jin on the Zodiac, I figured that Daniel would freak out and not want to take it back to the island again and that Jin would step in and do it and that is how he would end up separated from Sun. But obviously everything is still up for grabs.

    : ) P

  75. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="221813"][quote comment="221799"]It feels like they’re throwing us curveballs to take our minds off the 95 mph heater coming down the middle. You can bet the Kansas City Shuffle is coming and when it does we’ll all be caught off guard.[/quote]
    Yep, seems rather obvious that it’s Michael…but I’m hoping it’s the curve.[/quote]
    ++++++++++++
    And there is your possible curve. Good ole KJ is on the boat when it blows?…..So who’s in the coffin?

  76. Snaisy says:

    Oh my LORD! Flash back, flash forwards, and the present… MAN! I can’t wait until the 2 hour. I am glad Jack found out about Clair being is sister… So she isn’t dead? She is with Jack’s dad? Or IS she dead and that is why she is with her dad?

    Maybe they move the island, the freighter finds it and Sun gets off right before the explosion which moves the island again.

    I don’t like the Oceanic 6 Lie!

  77. Tasha says:

    If Jin dies it would seem that Des dies too!! I hope that doesn’t happen without a Des/Penny reunion. I am trying to figure out how Sun is gonna get off that boat as well. Maybe she decides to use a tube or something and the helicopter flies over and sees her. Still I don’t think it’s actually gonna blow cause like I said….what happens to Desmond?

  78. RAY says:

    That episode was amazing. After Part II do we have to wait until January for the show to start again!? I don’t know if I can do that…

    Wow. What an ending!

  79. Tasha says:

    [quote comment="221848"]

    I don’t like the Oceanic 6 Lie![/quote]

    Yeah I am hoping that gets answered. Why do they all lie anyway? I would want to find my husband unless I know he is dead….I just don’t understand why they lie or if they are told to do so, unless they are protecting the island and people on it.

  80. Andrew says:

    Future Sun is a bad ass
    So is Ben kinda for walkin in the Orchid like that.
    Seams like Jin actually dies tho kinda sad.

    And if they have that HUGE army led by ageless emo eyeliner guy, why were they in hiding in the first place? i mean they outnumber Keamy’s guys like 15 to 1

  81. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="221849"]If Jin dies it would seem that Des dies too!! I hope that doesn’t happen without a Des/Penny reunion. I am trying to figure out how Sun is gonna get off that boat as well. Maybe she decides to use a tube or something and the helicopter flies over and sees her. Still I don’t think it’s actually gonna blow cause like I said….what happens to Desmond?[/quote]
    Much needs to unfold….but IMO Keamy will die and the boat will blow.

  82. CAG says:

    [quote comment="221839"]Okay, if Jin = dead and Jin + extras = boat, and Keamy has a pulse monitor then Keamy dying = boat explosion. No?

    [/quote]

    That’s it! I was wondering what that thing on Keamy’s arm was

  83. Toeknee says:

    I cheered again this week when I saw Alpert. Strange how this time it seemed like the Others are the cavalry riding to the rescue, whereas all the other times their appearance struck a chord of fear and dread.

    I liked how they showed the O6 arriving in Hawaii, meeting their families, the press, etc, so they got those obligatory scenes out of the way. I prefer that to having that scene at the end of Part II.

    I have to go back and rewatch the scene where the Oceanic rep explains how they “survived” and were found.

  84. dj says:

    the orchid orientation film was on the season 3 boxed set. It is on the special features disc, which is hidden.

    Also, all the explosives are wired to Keamy. His death would equal the explosion of the boat.

    I was thinking that the finale for this season would be 06 getting off the island, looks like we will have something more shocking in store. I love and hate the season finales!

  85. RD says:

    [quote comment="221852"]Future Sun is a bad ass
    So is Ben kinda for walkin in the Orchid like that.
    Seams like Jin actually dies tho kinda sad.

    And if they have that HUGE army led by ageless emo eyeliner guy, why were they in hiding in the first place? i mean they outnumber Keamy’s guys like 15 to 1[/quote]
    ======

    The numbers don’t make sense. Sun’s dad’s company is huge. How could a settlement from the crash give her enough to buy a controlling interest in the company? It makes sense all of the survivors get a hefty settlement, but not that big!

  86. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="221830"]Damn it…teasing me with the whispers.[/quote]
    LOL I’ll still be interested in finding out what they were saying. I was expecting to see Charlie in that scene.

  87. Michael says:

    [quote comment="221854"][quote comment="221839"]Okay, if Jin = dead and Jin + extras = boat, and Keamy has a pulse monitor then Keamy dying = boat explosion. No?

    [/quote]

    That’s it! I was wondering what that thing on Keamy’s arm was[/quote]
    _+_+_+_+_+_+_+_

    Thats why he new the captain would not shot him. So Kemmy dies, The boat and everyone on it go.

  88. Tasha says:

    Here’s a thought…Do you think whenever they move the island…the four toed statue will move with it? Technically there are two islands to move, and the statue was not actually ON the island. If course everything inside the bubble would move not just the island right?

    Also Ben tells Locke to go down the elevator and just walks off. He never told Locke what he was supposed to do when he got there. Or maybe he knows what he is supposed to do already from Jacob/Christian.

  89. Snaisy says:

    Andrew: you’re funny! I agree though, the emo hippy kids dressed in brown come-out of nowhere. Where were they before? I need answers.

    And why would the Oceanic 6 lie? I hope the people back on the island do not die. Hopefully they warp to a different time on the island. Since the island can move and all maybe the island can also allow alternate ‘island’ time zone where all the lost peeps (who we think are dead) can still live and come back to inform the LOST folks who are still alive in the messed up ‘time warp island’ and save the day. Maybe that is where the emo hippy others live on a regular basis.

  90. Tasha says:

    [quote comment="221858"][quote comment="221830"]Damn it…teasing me with the whispers.[/quote]
    LOL I’ll still be interested in finding out what they were saying. I was expecting to see Charlie in that scene.[/quote]

    HA Ha. I was looking for Charlie too! When I saw the coconut I was thinking of the time that he said…“Hey, man. You gonna put the lime in the coconut, drink ‘em both up?

  91. Hammer says:

    Can’t find a good anagram from Manukangga…anyone?

  92. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="221857"]
    The numbers don’t make sense. Sun’s dad’s company is huge. How could a settlement from the crash give her enough to buy a controlling interest in the company? It makes sense all of the survivors get a hefty settlement, but not that big![/quote]
    That’s a good point. And also, didn’t Sun’s father own the company? So wouldn’t he have to approve anyone else buying into the company? I know absolutely nothing about business deals like that, but it seemed odd that Sun would be able to do that without her father knowing.

  93. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="221852"]Future Sun is a bad ass
    So is Ben kinda for walkin in the Orchid like that.
    Seams like Jin actually dies tho kinda sad.

    And if they have that HUGE army led by ageless emo eyeliner guy, why were they in hiding in the first place? i mean they outnumber Keamy’s guys like 15 to 1[/quote]
    They were at the “Temple” that is only for “us” according to Ben. Temple has to be a place or time that they can hide.

  94. lost-on-mars says:

    I agree with you RD, the settlement would not be enough to buy into a major Korean company

  95. Can't Get Enough says:

    Funniest line in the episode:

    Hurley’s Mom: “Jesus is not a weapon!”

  96. Toeknee says:

    I loved the fact that Hurley asked Ben a million questions, and Ben actually answered most of them, albeit somewhat ambiguously at times.

    I didn’t like the fact that Kate, Hurley and Sayid got a front row seat at Christian’s memorial service. Not very realistic – other family members or friends of Christian would have been in front of them. (yes I’m being nitpicky, but it just struck me as too “Hollywood-ish”)

  97. RD says:

    Great scene with Hurley and the restored car. Wasn’t that the car he was driving at the convenience store when he first flipped out when he saw Charley? Remember the earlier flash forward? If I am right, he must have changed his mind about the car.

  98. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="221864"][quote comment="221857"]
    The numbers don’t make sense. Sun’s dad’s company is huge. How could a settlement from the crash give her enough to buy a controlling interest in the company? It makes sense all of the survivors get a hefty settlement, but not that big![/quote]
    That’s a good point. And also, didn’t Sun’s father own the company? So wouldn’t he have to approve anyone else buying into the company? I know absolutely nothing about business deals like that, but it seemed odd that Sun would be able to do that without her father knowing.[/quote]
    Sun’s father likely started selling shares to get more money. He only had to have more shares than anyone else to be the controlling interest. 51% NOT needed. If Sun bought more shares than her father, she becomes the controlling interest.

  99. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="221866"]I agree with you RD, the settlement would not be enough to buy into a major Korean company[/quote]
    Yes, but if you can get five banks to back your bid….

  100. Tasha says:

    [quote comment="221863"]Can’t find a good anagram from Manukangga…anyone?[/quote]

    The closest thing I came up with was something GUNMAN.

  101. DocH says:

    I am sorry. I fell asleep. What did I miss? Did anyone get anything on their ‘Wish List’ answered?

  102. Hammer says:

    Most interesting line of the epi: “Jesus Christ is not a weapon.”

  103. RD says:

    [quote comment="221870"][quote comment="221864"][quote comment="221857"]
    The numbers don’t make sense. Sun’s dad’s company is huge. How could a settlement from the crash give her enough to buy a controlling interest in the company? It makes sense all of the survivors get a hefty settlement, but not that big![/quote]
    That’s a good point. And also, didn’t Sun’s father own the company? So wouldn’t he have to approve anyone else buying into the company? I know absolutely nothing about business deals like that, but it seemed odd that Sun would be able to do that without her father knowing.[/quote]
    Sun’s father likely started selling shares to get more money. He only had to have more shares than anyone else to be the controlling interest. 51% NOT needed. If Sun bought more shares than her father, she becomes the controlling interest.[/quote]
    =======
    Maybe.
    It would be interesting to know more what the full story was of the discussion Sun interupted. Her dad and the two assistants where talking about some bank problem. May be a sign of further financial troubles for Sun’s dad.

  104. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="221873"]I am sorry. I fell asleep. What did I miss? Did anyone get anything on their ‘Wish List’ answered?[/quote]
    I don’t believe that for one second.

  105. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="221870"][quote comment="221864"][quote comment="221857"]
    The numbers don’t make sense. Sun’s dad’s company is huge. How could a settlement from the crash give her enough to buy a controlling interest in the company? It makes sense all of the survivors get a hefty settlement, but not that big![/quote]
    That’s a good point. And also, didn’t Sun’s father own the company? So wouldn’t he have to approve anyone else buying into the company? I know absolutely nothing about business deals like that, but it seemed odd that Sun would be able to do that without her father knowing.[/quote]
    Sun’s father likely started selling shares to get more money. He only had to have more shares than anyone else to be the controlling interest. 51% NOT needed. If Sun bought more shares than her father, she becomes the controlling interest.[/quote]
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Thanks for the response, Hammer. That makes sense. But still, wouldn’t he have to approve the amount of shares people are buying? Even if he has an agent acting on his behalf in the selling of the shares, wouldn’t that agent know enough to ensure that no one entity has more shares than Mr. Paik?

  106. lost chicka says:

    [quote comment="221873"]I am sorry. I fell asleep. What did I miss? Did anyone get anything on their ‘Wish List’ answered?[/quote]

    you’re joking right? that has to be a joke bcuz it’s impossible to fall asleep during lost!

    (Others rock! I want to be an other! Why can’t I be an other?!?)

  107. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="221877"][quote comment="221870"][quote comment="221864"][quote comment="221857"]
    The numbers don’t make sense. Sun’s dad’s company is huge. How could a settlement from the crash give her enough to buy a controlling interest in the company? It makes sense all of the survivors get a hefty settlement, but not that big![/quote]
    That’s a good point. And also, didn’t Sun’s father own the company? So wouldn’t he have to approve anyone else buying into the company? I know absolutely nothing about business deals like that, but it seemed odd that Sun would be able to do that without her father knowing.[/quote]
    Sun’s father likely started selling shares to get more money. He only had to have more shares than anyone else to be the controlling interest. 51% NOT needed. If Sun bought more shares than her father, she becomes the controlling interest.[/quote]
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Thanks for the response, Hammer. That makes sense. But still, wouldn’t he have to approve the amount of shares people are buying? Even if he has an agent acting on his behalf in the selling of the shares, wouldn’t that agent know enough to ensure that no one entity has more shares than Mr. Paik?[/quote]
    +++++++++++++++
    That is what Paik was so angry about, no one was monitoring it….”How could this happen?”

  108. PJSander says:

    Speaking of Jesus Christ… I thought that statue looked like a gold painted version of the drug-filled statues that Charlie found from the plane. Anyone know where to see a screenshot?

    : ) P

  109. RD says:

    [quote comment="221878"][quote comment="221873"]I am sorry. I fell asleep. What did I miss? Did anyone get anything on their ‘Wish List’ answered?[/quote]

    you’re joking right? that has to be a joke bcuz it’s impossible to fall asleep during lost!

    (Others rock! I want to be an other! Why can’t I be an other?!?)[/quote]
    ====
    They are looking better all the time! And we thought they were the bad guys!

  110. Michael says:

    [quote comment="221877"][quote comment="221870"][quote comment="221864"][quote comment="221857"]
    The numbers don’t make sense. Sun’s dad’s company is huge. How could a settlement from the crash give her enough to buy a controlling interest in the company? It makes sense all of the survivors get a hefty settlement, but not that big![/quote]
    That’s a good point. And also, didn’t Sun’s father own the company? So wouldn’t he have to approve anyone else buying into the company? I know absolutely nothing about business deals like that, but it seemed odd that Sun would be able to do that without her father knowing.[/quote]
    Sun’s father likely started selling shares to get more money. He only had to have more shares than anyone else to be the controlling interest. 51% NOT needed. If Sun bought more shares than her father, she becomes the controlling interest.[/quote]
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Thanks for the response, Hammer. That makes sense. But still, wouldn’t he have to approve the amount of shares people are buying? Even if he has an agent acting on his behalf in the selling of the shares, wouldn’t that agent know enough to ensure that no one entity has more shares than Mr. Paik?[/quote]
    +_+_+_+_+_+_+

    She might have already had a good amount of share being his daughter.

  111. Hammer says:

    BTW, people buy shares all the time without the controlling member approving each sale. Look up hostile takeovers….

  112. DocH says:

    [quote comment="221876"]
    I don’t believe that for one second.
    [/quote]
    Fine. I am at my Arizona house and the show starts… NOW.

  113. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="221882"]
    That is what Paik was so angry about, no one was monitoring it….”How could this happen?”[/quote]
    Yeah – that makes sense too – thanks again.

  114. RD says:

    In the press conference, they blew off the question about what did they eat for four months. I agree, Hurley did not lose any weight!
    Also, Sun said her husband died before getting to the island. That might actually be true if the freighter blows up.

  115. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="221887"][quote comment="221876"]
    I don’t believe that for one second.
    [/quote]
    Fine. I am at my Arizona house and the show starts… NOW.[/quote]
    +++++++++++++++
    Ouch, some of us only have one. :)

  116. Hammer says:

    Sawyer fan alert: Josh Holloway will be on Kimmel tonight.

  117. katesFriend says:

    [quote comment="221886"]BTW, people buy shares all the time without the controlling member approving each sale. Look up hostile takeovers….[/quote]

    all of this depends on whether the Paik industries is a closely held or publicly traded corp

    and voting pools/trusts mean that different amounts of stock = control of the company in each situation

    if it was a publicly traded corp, no one could control who bought/sold shares and sun may be able to gain effective control with not that many stocks

    (sorry, know its kind of irrelevant but couldn’t help sharing all the wonderful info i picked up this semester in corp law :)

  118. Can't Get Enough says:

    [quote comment="221883"]Speaking of Jesus Christ… I thought that statue looked like a gold painted version of the drug-filled statues that Charlie found from the plane. Anyone know where to see a screenshot?

    : ) P[/quote]

    I’m pretty sure the drug filled statues on the island were of the Virgin Mary and I think they were painted in bright cheesy colors.

  119. Tasha says:

    [quote comment="221891"]Sawyer fan alert: Josh Holloway will be on Kimmel tonight.[/quote]

    THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU! I thought I missed it but I have 15 more minutes. I flew to the tv to change the channel!

  120. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="221873"]I am sorry. I fell asleep. What did I miss? Did anyone get anything on their ‘Wish List’ answered?[/quote]
    Since I can’t tell if you are being truthful. Here’s a spoiler, you got 1, 4 and 5 from you list. :)

  121. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="221892"][quote comment="221886"]BTW, people buy shares all the time without the controlling member approving each sale. Look up hostile takeovers….[/quote]

    all of this depends on whether the Paik industries is a closely held or publicly traded corp

    and voting pools/trusts mean that different amounts of stock = control of the company in each situation

    if it was a publicly traded corp, no one could control who bought/sold shares and sun may be able to gain effective control with not that many stocks

    (sorry, know its kind of irrelevant but couldn’t help sharing all the wonderful info i picked up this semester in corp law :)[/quote]
    +++++++++++++
    Not irrelevant at all, folks wanted to know how it COULD happen….and that’s how.

  122. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="221893"]I’m pretty sure the drug filled statues on the island were of the Virgin Mary and I think they were painted in bright cheesy colors.[/quote]

    Yes, I know. I said that they looked like GOLD PAINTED VERSIONS of the statue. I am not disputing that the cheesy colored ones were supposed to be the Virgin Mary, either. I just didn’t think the gold statue looked much like Jesus.

    : ) P

  123. Somewhat Untruthful says:

    Geez, they got everyone spread out again all over and off the damn island. This is definitely going to leave to many unanswered questions for next season and beyond…
    What I want to find out in the finale….

    1. What happens to Locke, Sawyer and Jin.
    2.Who has made them all agree to go along with this lie.
    3. A hint at what Whitmore’s role is in all this..although we may know something, I’d like to know more…which is a constant thing with this show.
    4. Why they want Ben.
    5. What is Ben up to with Locke and Hurley? I have come to believe that Ben is always lying. Remember how good he was at being Henry Gale? He’s so good, it’s scary.
    I was shouting at Claire’s mom while she was leading up to the big reveal, I couldn’t take it. Watching a Lost secret get revealed is a mental rush.
    Also I cried a bit when Nadiya met Sayid–of the love stories, I like this one the best. Second would be Sawyer and his baby-momma–I think that they’ll end up together someday again with lil Clementine in tow..

  124. Hammer says:

    Bed time for Bonzo.

    Don’t worry, I have one for you to ponder. ;)

    No mention of out of sync island/freighter time lines….look out in two weeks!

  125. Can't Get Enough says:

    [quote comment="221897"][quote comment="221893"]I’m pretty sure the drug filled statues on the island were of the Virgin Mary and I think they were painted in bright cheesy colors.[/quote]

    Yes, I know. I said that they looked like GOLD PAINTED VERSIONS of the statue. I am not disputing that the cheesy colored ones were supposed to be the Virgin Mary, either. I just didn’t think the gold statue looked much like Jesus.

    : ) P[/quote]

    Thanks for clarifying! (I grew up Catholic so for some insane reason I seem to remember those kind of details – I just got all excited that I actually had an answer to a question!)

  126. PJSander says:

    Okay, I had a gripe about Widmore’s accent NOT being very British in the scene when he’s in bed talking to Ben. (And yes, I know know that the reason it was a bad British accent is because he is from New Zealand.)

    Accents really must be a pet peeve of mine, because Claire’s mom had a HORRIBLE Australian accent. There is NO WAY that woman is really Australian! Get the woman a dialogue coach. Or hire an ACTUAL Australian!

    But I am glad that we know now how and when Jack found out about Claire.

    : ) P

  127. LostTomorrows says:

    I think Charlie might be in the last episode… I think that Jacob/Smokey (I really do think they are one and the same) will assume his form and Claire will be a part of something big.

    Or at least I’m hoping… one of the biggest surprises of the SERIES (to me) was seeing her in Jacob’s cabin. And now I’m really anxious to know what happens.

    And I’m REALLY anxious for what happens with who’s on that boat right now… and how Sun escapes to be one of “The Oceanic 6″.
    This is probably the most pumped I’ve actually ever been in the entirely of Lost… wow.

    Poor Ben, he gets beaten up so often.
    I have a feeling someone’s dead in the finale.
    Ack, I have so many things to say, every sentence is a new idea!

  128. Evan says:

    Some thoughts on the show and comments:

    DocH: looks like you had at least 2 of your 5 wishes come true thus far with a very possible 3rd with Ben’s plan (pretty sure its gonna work out)

    Tasha, and anyone who thinks Charlie died for nothing: if it weren’t for charlie shutting down the looking glass blocking communication, then they would had no chance with getting off until then…that was the opening that they needed to get off the island, albeit contacting Keamy and crew, but it got those 6 off the island, so Charlie still is a martyr

    Hammer: right on with many points per usual, but one especially i agree with, most interesting line: Jesus is not a weapon…as soon as she said it, it definitely made me think

    – Poor Hurley, always seeing those awful numbers
    – On the 108th day the survivors were found, another pretty interesting tie in to the 108 mins and the sum of the Numbers
    – Claire cannot be one of the other 2 that survived but then died according to the lie, Claire’s mother would find out that Jack knew, Aaron’s identity would surely come up and Aaron would be taken by the grandmother…this doesn’t happen because we know Kate has Aaron down the line
    – As for Sun buying out her father’s company, this is very feasible with the money she probably received…she was compensated for herself, but also probably Jin as well…plus it was in dollars which is probably stronger than korean currency

    That’s all for now, more to come once things settle

  129. LostTomorrows says:

    I think that, in the end, the last move Charlie made will play a huuuuuuge roll. We still have two more seasons, after all.

  130. Lins says:

    Wow, just finished watching (stupid West Coast behind everyone else!)…that was quite the cliffhanger! Totally can’t wait to see what happens with Alpert and crew, and I’ll be sad if Des dies. I’m wondering if Dan makes it back in the raft before the island “moves”. Whew, ok, time for bed, but will definitely be watching that one again!!

  131. katesFriend says:

    [quote comment="221926"]Wow, just finished watching (stupid West Coast behind everyone else!)…that was quite the cliffhanger! Totally can’t wait to see what happens with Alpert and crew, and I’ll be sad if Des dies. I’m wondering if Dan makes it back in the raft before the island “moves”. Whew, ok, time for bed, but will definitely be watching that one again!![/quote]

    being sad if des dies is an understatement! I would be DEVASTATED if des dies!!! the writers have given us every reason to want des to make it back and finally be able to love penny and if they kill him before this happens i will be pissed!!

  132. omar says:

    Well for every1 saying how Sun can buy a controlling share into her dads compnay and if the settlement was enough?…Thats easy, if you know any thing about finance, then you would know that with 5 investment banks that underwrite Paik automotive stock, it is very easy to buy up all the shares in the market on open orders without alerting Mr. Paik himself,… but since we dont know how much the settlement was we have to assume it was alot, and most likly Sun probably already controlled a percentage since she was his daughter…Most likly she bought the stock on margin and leverage, so being his daughter and using 5 different banks, thats alot of buying power. Which means that by buying on margin you get 2/1 or 4/1 or all the way up to 100/1 and more, so we dont know what the deal was with the banks, but im assuming she probably got 80/20 on the stock…which means with 20 million u can buy 100 million. Plus remember hugo is worth 150 million and he was in korea visting her baby, he might be her buisness partner…

  133. lost4ever says:

    So “the story” is that Jin and Claire did not survive the crash. It didn’t look like Jack was too happy about Sun’s reply at the press conference. But when Sayid denied the possibility of other survivors being discovered, Jack had this funny smirk on his face like “told you”.
    1. Who is the other person Sun holds responsible for Jin’s death? and boy do I feel sorry for him/her.
    2. Faraday and Charlotte definitely have or had something between them.
    3. Claire’s mother is alive. Didn’t CS tell Claire to pull the plug when he traveled to Australia? I wonder if the island had anything to do with her recovery and visit to Jack to inform him he has a sister.

  134. ghostrider says:

    Sun takes the baby and runs right off the open end of that freighter deck as the old rust bucket goes up in a big ball of fire. That’s all for Michael, Jin and Desmond.

    Speaking of balls, Ben rocks. He’s going to take out Keamy, and that’s when the freighter goes.

    The numbers on the dash instruments of the Camaro. Nice touch.

  135. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="221883"]Speaking of Jesus Christ… I thought that statue looked like a gold painted version of the drug-filled statues that Charlie found from the plane. Anyone know where to see a screenshot?

    : ) P[/quote]
    The best one I could find. Can’t really get a good look at it but I watched the scene again and it does look like “Jesus Christ”.

  136. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="221868"]
    I didn’t like the fact that Kate, Hurley and Sayid got a front row seat at Christian’s memorial service. Not very realistic – other family members or friends of Christian would have been in front of them.[/quote]
    I agree, definitely Hollywood. I think they did that to show that Sun did not attend the funeral and Nadia did. The timeline…before Nadia’s death and possibly a month after Ji Yeon’s birth.

    I also thought it odd that the wake was 10 months after the crash? Seems like an awful longtime assuming they have been rescued for about 6 months.

  137. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="221934"] Plus remember hugo is worth 150 million and he was in korea visting her baby, he might be her buisness partner…[/quote]
    I was thinking that too. But she did this before having the baby, so Hurley would have had to given her money before that visit. Which is plausible. He doesn’t want “anything to do with the money”, knowing this, and how close Hurley became with Jin, Sun could have approached him about it.

  138. katesFriend says:

    ok, one thing that really bothered me: do any of the people involved in planning the cover story really think people are going to believe aaron was only 5 weeks old during the press conference?

    I mean come on…. i know they had to make stuff up to make their ruse believable, but trying to convince anyone that aaron was that young there was ridiculous!!

  139. mocklost says:

    First time poster, long time reader. just had a few observations:
    1. Why does Faraday know about the secondary protocol but it didn’t seem that the captain knew? I now completely believe that Daniel is one of the good guys, but that makes me curious.
    2. I believe that Sun has contempt towards her father not only because of how he treated Jin, but because she learns of the paik industries- Charles Widmore connection. I think she either considers Widmore or herself the other person.
    3. The moment when Sawyer decides to go with Jack to the chopper was friggin’ great
    4. Does anyone know what the name that Nadia gave as her name when she met Sayid was? Was is what she wrote on the pack of the picture she gave him?
    5. All of the 6 make sense except for Sun and Aaron. The rest of them are near the chopper
    6. Probably useless observation, but there was a kid at Hurley’s party was wearing a 42 shirt.

  140. LostGrrl says:

    [quote comment="221911"]
    – Claire cannot be one of the other 2 that survived but then died according to the lie, Claire’s mother would find out that Jack knew, Aaron’s identity would surely come up and Aaron would be taken by the grandmother…this doesn’t happen because we know Kate has Aaron down the line[/quote]

    We KNOW that in the O6 lie, Claire is not among the 8 who initially survived, because Kate is claiming that she was pregnant and had Aaron on the island. When Jack found out that Claire was his sister, he couldn’t say that he knew her.

    I also was wondering about who is the other person that Sun holds responsible for Jin’s death. When she tells her father that he is one of two, I immediately thought that Jack might be the other one she blames, for making her tell the lie.

    SO nice to see Sawyer, Kate, and Jack together again, if only briefly. We’ve been talking about favorite Hurley lines for weeks. Okay writers! How about some great Sawyer lines, as in the past! Though we did get one… “Cut yourself shaving?” to Jack when he saw the blood at appendix site.

    RE: the raft the Sayid brings to the island…
    #1 – totally a false moment that Sayid would decide to go after Jack and Kate in the woods instead of doing what he’d come back to do — taking people off the island.
    #2 – The survivors have been on the island for 3 months. You don’t think there would be some argument about who would be allowed to get in the raft? Like what happened a few seasons ago when they managed to build a boat?

    I was disappointed that all of the teasers seemed to indicate that we finally would find out how the O6 got off the island. But that’s still a huge mystery. Guess we’ll have to wait and see in 2 weeks, at the finale. Can’t wait!

  141. JamieGirl says:

    Des wasn’t on the plane, so if he gets off the island, he would not fall under the “Oceanic 6″ umbrella.

    [quote comment="221863"]Can’t find a good anagram from Manukangga…anyone?[/quote]

    Gang Auk Man
    A Mag An Gunk
    A Nag Ma Gunk
    A Nag Am Gunk

  142. JamieGirl says:

    [quote comment="221864"][quote comment="221857"]
    The numbers don’t make sense. Sun’s dad’s company is huge. How could a settlement from the crash give her enough to buy a controlling interest in the company? It makes sense all of the survivors get a hefty settlement, but not that big![/quote]
    That’s a good point. And also, didn’t Sun’s father own the company? So wouldn’t he have to approve anyone else buying into the company? I know absolutely nothing about business deals like that, but it seemed odd that Sun would be able to do that without her father knowing.[/quote]

    Settlements take years… no?

  143. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="221951"]First time poster, long time reader. just had a few observations:
    1. Why does Faraday know about the secondary protocol but it didn’t seem that the captain knew? I now completely believe that Daniel is one of the good guys, but that makes me curious.
    [/quote]
    Dan is known to have studied the concious time travel and has a big note book of island related stuff…as I said earlier, he’s been “here” before. Time and place, IMO.

  144. JamieGirl says:

    [quote comment="221934"]Well for every1 saying how Sun can buy a controlling share into her dads compnay and if the settlement was enough?…Thats easy, if you know any thing about finance, then you would know that with 5 investment banks that underwrite Paik automotive stock, it is very easy to buy up all the shares in the market on open orders without alerting Mr. Paik himself,… but since we dont know how much the settlement was we have to assume it was alot, and most likly Sun probably already controlled a percentage since she was his daughter…Most likly she bought the stock on margin and leverage, so being his daughter and using 5 different banks, thats alot of buying power. Which means that by buying on margin you get 2/1 or 4/1 or all the way up to 100/1 and more, so we dont know what the deal was with the banks, but im assuming she probably got 80/20 on the stock…which means with 20 million u can buy 100 million. Plus remember hugo is worth 150 million and he was in korea visting her baby, he might be her buisness partner…[/quote]

    Totally re: Hugo, although it may not be the lotto winnings, it may be Hugo’s settlement that is invested in Paik as Sun’s partner. Awesome call.

  145. JamieGirl says:

    Why in the world was Christian going to Australia to visit Claire? They didn’t even have a relationship.
    I still think it’s Kevin Johnson in the coffin. See my earlier posts #s 30 & 32.

  146. macdonsj says:

    [quote comment="221882"][quote comment="221877"][quote comment="221870"][quote comment="221864"][quote comment="221857"]
    The numbers don’t make sense. Sun’s dad’s company is huge. How could a settlement from the crash give her enough to buy a controlling interest in the company? It makes sense all of the survivors get a hefty settlement, but not that big![/quote]
    That’s a good point. And also, didn’t Sun’s father own the company? So wouldn’t he have to approve anyone else buying into the company? I know absolutely nothing about business deals like that, but it seemed odd that Sun would be able to do that without her father knowing.[/quote]
    Sun’s father likely started selling shares to get more money. He only had to have more shares than anyone else to be the controlling interest. 51% NOT needed. If Sun bought more shares than her father, she becomes the controlling interest.[/quote]
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Thanks for the response, Hammer. That makes sense. But still, wouldn’t he have to approve the amount of shares people are buying? Even if he has an agent acting on his behalf in the selling of the shares, wouldn’t that agent know enough to ensure that no one entity has more shares than Mr. Paik?[/quote]
    +++++++++++++++
    That is what Paik was so angry about, no one was monitoring it….”How could this happen?”[/quote]

    Exactly – his advisors stated that “five banks were used”

    Clearly, Sun got backing from 5 banks with her cheque from Oceanic to quietly buy shares in Paik Ind.

    By buying as if it was 5 different buyers, she didn’t alert her fathers people to the buyout

  147. deangoodes says:

    I have an idea I would like to submit.
    It seems like Ben knew all along that there would be this potentially disastrous “War” from Widmore if the location of the island were to become known. He had the opportunity to keep this from happening by allowing the Losties to leave the island (with all the travel off the island by Michael, Tom, Ben himself, etc. he could have gotten the Losties off the island), he would have kept them from freeing up the radio signals that ultimately led to Keamy and the mercs attacking the island. Why wouldn’t he have said to the Losties, “Here’s what’s going to happen. If you stay on the island everyone will die. But if you go back to the mainland and keep your mouths shut, everything will be ok.” Obviously there would be a bit more to it than that, but looking back it seems like a better alternative than what Ben and the others are facing at this time. Right?

  148. Uzuri says:

    [quote comment="221846"][quote comment="221839"]Okay, if Jin = dead and Jin + extras = boat, and Keamy has a pulse monitor then Keamy dying = boat explosion. No?

    How does Sun get off the freighter?[/quote]

    We’re still a long way from all six of the O6 being in one place at the same time. Sayid and Kate are captives of Mr. Eyeliner. Jack is with Sawyer somewhere else. Sun is on the freighter with Aaron. Hurley is outside the Orchid Station.

    When I saw Jin on the Zodiac, I figured that Daniel would freak out and not want to take it back to the island again and that Jin would step in and do it and that is how he would end up separated from Sun. But obviously everything is still up for grabs.

    : ) P[/quote]

    I was thinking the same thing as Hammer. I thought that there was going to be an explosion, but wouldn’t that mean Des and Micheal would die too? But PJ’s exactly correct. There’s still more to come to bring them together. I was just holding my breath through that whole time.

  149. deangoodes says:

    [quote comment="221935"]
    1. Who is the other person Sun holds responsible for Jin’s death? and boy do I feel sorry for him/her.
    2. Faraday and Charlotte definitely have or had something between them.

    ———————————————-

    To no. 1–I would think Widmore is the resposible party.

    To no. 2–Maybe this is why Daniel is so sad when he sees the Plane on tv in his house in his flash back/flash forward. He didn’t take her back on the little raft and she ended up dying and it was his fault because he had the opportunity to take her.

  150. Uzuri says:

    @ #138- Aaron is huge!! Everytime I see him I think that.

    Also, I actually felt sorry for Juliet. Jack played her. That scene when she was telling him not to go was the first time I felt any kind of real sympathy for her, that I can remember anyways. I know she desperatly wanted off the island before but I never knew if I could trust her. First it was when Jack picked Kate to go with him to find the chopper and then when she stormed away from him.

  151. PJSander says:

    Did anyone else, upon hearing the wistful music at the end, expect the freighter to blow up as Sun was looking back at the door? I know *I* did.

    Another observation, now that I have had some rest *G*… I am wholly disappointed with the Nadia reunion. Don’t get me wrong, I LOVED that it happened, but sheesh, a little BUILD UP would have made it SO much better. Remind us how long Sayid has PINED for her, or something! LOL

    : ) P

  152. deangoodes says:

    I don’t see the freighter blowing up. Too many characters on the freighter at this time; Sun, Des, Jin, Michael. I haven’t seen this question posed yet: How do the O6 get on that cargo plane?? Have any ideas been brought up yet? Where would that plane have taken off from? How did the O6 get to the place where the plane took off from? The only idea I have would be that they took the little raft (it holds 6.) from the freighter to a nearby place, meaning the freighter probably had to move closer to the mainland. My guess then is that the freighter (still controlled by Keamy) headed back towards the island.

  153. lost4ever says:

    Thanks to all the business experts and their knowledge about how Sun could have possibly bought a controlling interest in the company.

    Their “story” is that they used a survival raft and came ashore on the island of Sumba. The Zodiac that Daniel used is not a survival raft. If there are any aviatars out there, I am curious to know if helos, like the one Lapidas has, would be equipped with a survivor raft?

  154. Uzuri says:

    [quote comment="221990"]I don’t see the freighter blowing up. Too many characters on the freighter at this time; Sun, Des, Jin, Michael. I haven’t seen this question posed yet: How do the O6 get on that cargo plane?? Have any ideas been brought up yet? Where would that plane have taken off from? How did the O6 get to the place where the plane took off from? The only idea I have would be that they took the little raft (it holds 6.) from the freighter to a nearby place, meaning the freighter probably had to move closer to the mainland. My guess then is that the freighter (still controlled by Keamy) headed back towards the island.[/quote]

    I think whoever’s orchestrating the whole O6 lie got them somewhere where they could get on the plane. There’s so much more that has to happen. AND we probably won’t find out til next season, lol and grrr!!

  155. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="221988"]Did anyone else, upon hearing the wistful music at the end, expect the freighter to blow up as Sun was looking back at the door? I know *I* did.
    [/quote]
    I thought the same thing. Maybe they were hinting at that being the last time Sun sees Jin?

  156. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="221986"][quote comment="221935"]
    1. Who is the other person Sun holds responsible for Jin’s death? and boy do I feel sorry for him/her.
    2. Faraday and Charlotte definitely have or had something between them.

    ———————————————-

    To no. 1–I would think Widmore is the resposible party.
    [/quote]
    +++++++++++
    I’m gonna guess Jack. She is holding her indirectly responsible because he sent Jin to Austrailia. I think she gets mad at Jack for being wrong about the “rescue” will indirectly blame him too.

  157. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="221943"]ok, one thing that really bothered me: do any of the people involved in planning the cover story really think people are going to believe aaron was only 5 weeks old during the press conference?

    I mean come on…. i know they had to make stuff up to make their ruse believable, but trying to convince anyone that aaron was that young there was ridiculous!![/quote]

    I agree that Aaron did NOT look five weeks old. At first, I figured it was more about CASTING a baby, than their lie, but I suspect it is partly both.

    They crashed on September 22, 2004. 108 days later, when they were “rescued” would be about January 8, 2005. Claire gave birth to Aaron around November 1st. That would make Aaron about nine weeks old. That baby looked older than nine weeks!

    But if according to the Oceanic Conspiracy, Kate was “five months pregnant” at the time of the crash, that would put her as “full term” sometime in January. If, according to the Oceanic Conspiracy, Aaron was five weeks old, he would have been born December 4, so Aaron would have been at least a month premature, and therefore should have been especially SMALL for five weeks!

    I think that the press is being asked to accept this story and are willing to wait to get details and confirmation. In reality, we’ve seen an entire country suspend belief in the truth because someone official asked them to, so why not the media at that press conference?

    We also have the time shift thing that has not been mentioned. How will THAT play into the rescue story?

    : ) P

  158. Bailey Loves Lost says:

    I find it interesting that Kate is claiming Aaron is only a little over 5 weeks old when they get off the island. The reporter said to Kate that that would have made her six months pregnant when the U.S. Marshall captured her in Australia. When the plane crashed Claire was a little over eight months pregnant. They’ve been on the island over 100 days, so Aaron, in reality, would be 2-3 months old. And wouldn’t the marshall have mentioned something after capturing Kate that she was pregnant? I’m surprised that people off the island are buying into that. Maybe in future episodes people might realize that Aaron is not hers.

  159. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="221972"]Settlements take years… no?[/quote]

    Settlements in a law suit can take years, yes. But I would expect that the pay-out was in conjunction to the creation of the Oceanic Conspiracy, and therefore already paid in full before that press conference.

    : ) P

  160. JamieGirl says:

    [quote comment="222001"][quote comment="221986"][quote comment="221935"]
    1. Who is the other person Sun holds responsible for Jin’s death? and boy do I feel sorry for him/her.
    2. Faraday and Charlotte definitely have or had something between them.

    ———————————————-

    To no. 1–I would think Widmore is the resposible party.
    [/quote]
    +++++++++++
    I’m gonna guess Jack. She is holding her indirectly responsible because he sent Jin to Austrailia. I think she gets mad at Jack for being wrong about the “rescue” will indirectly blame him too.[/quote]

    No way is it Jack. It’s Michael. Def. And she probably has him, as “Kevin Johnson” killed, and that’s him in the coffin. That’s my guess.

  161. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="222002"] Kate was “five months pregnant” [/quote]
    The reporter said 6 months.

  162. Bailey Loves Lost says:

    [quote comment="222009"][quote comment="222001"][quote comment="221986"][quote comment="221935"]
    1. Who is the other person Sun holds responsible for Jin’s death? and boy do I feel sorry for him/her.
    2. Faraday and Charlotte definitely have or had something between them.

    ———————————————-

    To no. 1–I would think Widmore is the resposible party.
    [/quote]
    +++++++++++
    I’m gonna guess Jack. She is holding her indirectly responsible because he sent Jin to Austrailia. I think she gets mad at Jack for being wrong about the “rescue” will indirectly blame him too.[/quote]

    No way is it Jack. It’s Michael. Def. And she probably has him, as “Kevin Johnson” killed, and that’s him in the coffin. That’s my guess.[/quote]

    **** I’m thinking it’s Widmore that she holds responsible. Widmore sent Keamy and co. to the island and they could have killed Jin?

  163. Laura says:

    “There’s no place like home” is a direct Wizard of Oz reference (this is what Dorothy says when tapping her heels). Add that to Charlotte’s name (CS Lewis) I think this is an important connection.

  164. JCK says:

    [quote comment="222004"]I find it interesting that Kate is claiming Aaron is only a little over 5 weeks old when they get off the island. The reporter said to Kate that that would have made her six months pregnant when the U.S. Marshall captured her in Australia. When the plane crashed Claire was a little over eight months pregnant. They’ve been on the island over 100 days, so Aaron, in reality, would be 2-3 months old. And wouldn’t the marshall have mentioned something after capturing Kate that she was “pregnant? I’m surprised that people off the island are buying into that. Maybe in future episodes people might realize that Aaron is not hers.[/quote]

    First of all, I’m new to this blog, but I’ve really been enjoying what everyone’s written so far – please allow me to join the fray….

    One thing that intrigues me is that the O6 have been very secretive/untruthful about what actually happened to the other survivors. Although I have no idea why that is, it is interesting that Claire’s mother suspects that something is up (the way she knowingly gazed at Aaron) and that Jack now understands his relationship to Aaron/Claire. Ultimately, I think this “wrench in the works” will help us understand why the O6 are lying about what happened on the island…

  165. Tasha says:

    [quote comment="222004"]I find it interesting that Kate is claiming Aaron is only a little over 5 weeks old when they get off the island. The reporter said to Kate that that would have made her six months pregnant when the U.S. Marshall captured her in Australia. When the plane crashed Claire was a little over eight months pregnant. They’ve been on the island over 100 days, so Aaron, in reality, would be 2-3 months old. And wouldn’t the marshall have mentioned something after capturing Kate that she was pregnant? I’m surprised that people off the island are buying into that. Maybe in future episodes people might realize that Aaron is not hers.[/quote]

    She could have been 6 months pregnant and not have told anyone so the Marshall may not have know.

  166. docjock says:

    [quote comment="221799"]It feels like they’re throwing us curveballs to take our minds off the 95 mph heater coming down the middle. You can bet the Kansas City Shuffle is coming and when it does we’ll all be caught off guard.[/quote]

    P.O.D.

    O’ Henry, it’ll be Newhart’s Dream all over again. Guest spot by Haley Joel Osment as The Wizard.

  167. Tasha says:

    We also know now that when they first get off the island for awhile Jack is able to look at Aaron. Him finding out about Claire must be the reason he doesn’t want anything to do with him for awhile. Hope nobody wrote that already. I didn’t see it.

  168. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="222001"]
    I’m gonna guess Jack. She is holding her indirectly responsible because he sent Jin to Austrailia. I think she gets mad at Jack for being wrong about the “rescue” will indirectly blame him too.[/quote]
    I like Jack also. Blaming the man who sent him ( dad ) and the man who didn’t rescue him. Poor Jack, he carries a lot of weight, especially now that he knows his sister was Claire. That was a great scene when he turned around, after talking with Mrs. Littleton, just STARING at Aaron. Maybe that’s why he has to eventually “go back” to the island. To save his sister?

  169. Tasha says:

    Another thing I notice now is that in the picture of them coming off the raft being rescued….It looks like Kate’s arms are up which would mean she isn’t carrying the baby. Also I do not see Sun and the baby either. Anyone else have any input?

  170. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="221997"][quote comment="221988"]Did anyone else, upon hearing the wistful music at the end, expect the freighter to blow up as Sun was looking back at the door? I know *I* did.
    [/quote]
    I thought the same thing. Maybe they were hinting at that being the last time Sun sees Jin?[/quote]
    +++++++++++++
    I def. think you are correct. Somehow she and Aaron get off the freigter just before the big bang.

  171. JCK says:

    I don’t think anyone has raised this point yet, but if Locke succeeds in moving the island in TIME as opposed to LOCATION (as I, and many of you, it seems, are convinced) then wouldn’t that mean Widmore could still find it? Moving it in time might affect who’s on the island and what’s happening on it, but it should still physically be there right?? or perhaps moving it in time screws up the bearing one needs to follow to navigate to it…any thoughts?

  172. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="222031"]Another thing I notice now is that in the picture of them coming off the raft being rescued….It looks like Kate’s arms are up which would mean she isn’t carrying the baby. Also I do not see Sun and the baby either. Anyone else have any input?[/quote]
    Here is the screencap of that picture. Definitely dont see Aaron or Sun. But Sun could be on the other side of Kate holding Aaron. Kate;s arms looke to be around Sayid.

  173. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="222002"]We also have the time shift thing that has not been mentioned. How will THAT play into the rescue story?

    : ) P[/quote]
    Unless you mean something else…it was my weekly bed time ponder from last night….

    “Bed time for Bonzo.

    Don’t worry, I have one for you to ponder. ;)

    No mention of out of sync island/freighter time lines….look out in two weeks!”

  174. Tasha says:

    [quote comment="222034"][quote comment="222031"]Another thing I notice now is that in the picture of them coming off the raft being rescued….It looks like Kate’s arms are up which would mean she isn’t carrying the baby. Also I do not see Sun and the baby either. Anyone else have any input?[/quote]
    Here is the screencap of that picture. Definitely dont see Aaron or Sun. But Sun could be on the other side of Kate holding Aaron. Kate;s arms looke to be around Sayid.

    http://bp0.blogger.com/_Hxnvg45zlCw/SC0ArKl9jxI/AAAAAAAABQA/jU7cxZzSXL0/s1600-h/4×12-00014.jpg%5B/quote%5D

    I am just trying to figure out if that is some kind of clue…you think they would make sure all of the O6 would be in the pic. I guess she could still be in the raft, but I don’t see all of them (Kate, Jack, Hurley, Sayid) just walking off without helping a pregnant lady and a baby off of it.

  175. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="222035"]Unless you mean something else…it was my weekly bed time ponder from last night….

    “Bed time for Bonzo.

    Don’t worry, I have one for you to ponder. ;)

    No mention of out of sync island/freighter time lines….look out in two weeks!”[/quote]

    I read it, Hammer! But no one seemed to take your bait, so I cast my line out next to yours to stir up a frenzy in the water! *g* (Sorry, I think I may have taken that metaphor one step too far!)

    : ) P

  176. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="222036"][quote comment="222034"][quote comment="222031"]Another thing I notice now is that in the picture of them coming off the raft being rescued….It looks like Kate’s arms are up which would mean she isn’t carrying the baby. Also I do not see Sun and the baby either. Anyone else have any input?[/quote]
    Here is the screencap of that picture. Definitely dont see Aaron or Sun. But Sun could be on the other side of Kate holding Aaron. Kate;s arms looke to be around Sayid.

    http://bp0.blogger.com/_Hxnvg45zlCw/SC0ArKl9jxI/AAAAAAAABQA/jU7cxZzSXL0/s1600-h/4×12-00014.jpg%5B/quote%5D

    I am just trying to figure out if that is some kind of clue…you think they would make sure all of the O6 would be in the pic. I guess she could still be in the raft, but I don’t see all of them (Kate, Jack, Hurley, Sayid) just walking off without helping a pregnant lady and a baby off of it.[/quote]
    ————–
    If you look closely you can see someone on the other side of Kate. Too many legs there.

  177. Tasha says:

    [quote comment="222038"][quote comment="222036"][quote comment="222034"][quote comment="222031"]Another thing I notice now is that in the picture of them coming off the raft being rescued….It looks like Kate’s arms are up which would mean she isn’t carrying the baby. Also I do not see Sun and the baby either. Anyone else have any input?[/quote]
    Here is the screencap of that picture. Definitely dont see Aaron or Sun. But Sun could be on the other side of Kate holding Aaron. Kate;s arms looke to be around Sayid.

    http://bp0.blogger.com/_Hxnvg45zlCw/SC0ArKl9jxI/AAAAAAAABQA/jU7cxZzSXL0/s1600-h/4×12-00014.jpg%5B/quote%5D

    I am just trying to figure out if that is some kind of clue…you think they would make sure all of the O6 would be in the pic. I guess she could still be in the raft, but I don’t see all of them (Kate, Jack, Hurley, Sayid) just walking off without helping a pregnant lady and a baby off of it.[/quote]
    ————–
    If you look closely you can see someone on the other side of Kate. Too many legs there.[/quote]

    Awesome! I didn’t even look at the legs! Well hopefully that is her!!!

  178. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="222037"][quote comment="222035"]Unless you mean something else…it was my weekly bed time ponder from last night….

    “Bed time for Bonzo.

    Don’t worry, I have one for you to ponder. ;)

    No mention of out of sync island/freighter time lines….look out in two weeks!”[/quote]

    I read it, Hammer! But no one seemed to take your bait, so I cast my line out next to yours to stir up a frenzy in the water! *g* (Sorry, I think I may have taken that metaphor one step too far!)

    : ) P[/quote]
    Cool daddio…or mommio…?

  179. Evan says:

    The freighter scene at the end with Sun just showed her in her new state…not intentionally she was leaving her old life behind with jin and it was showing how her new life would be with a child…it brought closure to their relationship i feel and it shows what Sun has ahead of her

  180. Bobbi says:

    [quote comment="222034"][quote comment="222031"]Another thing I notice now is that in the picture of them coming off the raft being rescued….It looks like Kate’s arms are up which would mean she isn’t carrying the baby. Also I do not see Sun and the baby either. Anyone else have any input?[/quote]
    Here is the screencap of that picture. Definitely dont see Aaron or Sun. But Sun could be on the other side of Kate holding Aaron. Kate;s arms looke to be around Sayid.

    http://bp0.blogger.com/_Hxnvg45zlCw/SC0ArKl9jxI/AAAAAAAABQA/jU7cxZzSXL0/s1600-h/4×12-00014.jpg%5B/quote%5D

    If you count the feet, someone is on other side of Kate, and almost looks like whoever it is is holding baby, cuz something is sticking out in front of Sayid’s shoulder.

  181. Evan says:

    [quote comment="221970"][quote comment="221911"]
    – Claire cannot be one of the other 2 that survived but then died according to the lie, Claire’s mother would find out that Jack knew, Aaron’s identity would surely come up and Aaron would be taken by the grandmother…this doesn’t happen because we know Kate has Aaron down the line[/quote]

    We KNOW that in the O6 lie, Claire is not among the 8 who initially survived, because Kate is claiming that she was pregnant and had Aaron on the island. When Jack found out that Claire was his sister, he couldn’t say that he knew her.

    Yes we KNOW, but the reason I brought it up was because some people were hinting at the fact Claire may be one of the 8, which I was trying to say cannot happen

  182. Bobbi says:

    135- Lost4ever mentioned the memorial service was way after rescue, but that can’t be true, Aaron looks exactly same as he did at press conference.

    Aaron is huge, like some of you said. But he always has been. They have always used a baby ‘actor’ way older than his age right from beginning.

  183. docjock says:

    Jin on short time, too bad, he’ll be missed.

    Ben sure did switch gears after he manipulated Hurley to find the cabin and Locke to go into it. He really plays Locke for a rube – no way John is a future island leader. He lacks the big game skills. “…I ALWAYS have a plan (you fool).”

    More questions than answers, which is par.

    Michael can’t blow up on the boat if he is in the coffin.

    I think we might be looking at a couple of deaths next ep:
    1) Jin
    2) ??

    (Red Shirts don’t count)

  184. RD says:

    I have a different question. When Ben was signaling with the mirror, he received a coded response back. At that time Kearny and crew couldn’t have taken physical control of orchid. Doesn’t it seem strange that Kearny did not have a lookout posted to see Ben before Ben spotted Kearny’s team? I would think Kearny would have been more cautious.

  185. Bobbi says:

    Finally, done reading all the posts…here are my thoughts

    I still think the coffin is michael (kevin johnson) which is why no one was there! Although, even if his mom and walt knew his new name was Kevin…perhaps neither wanted to fly to LA, I mean after the crash and all. Jamiegirl said Michael cannot commit suicide, but I think he just couldn’t do it until the island “LET HIM”, because he had to help the island first.

    moving the island makes sense, because penny was trying to find it, it probably has moved in the past perhaps this is why they cannot get back to the island….it is missing

    awful lot of rabbit’s feet tonight!

    I think Mr. Eyeliner (love the name) sets up the whole O6 escaping island. I don’t think they will be taking Kate and Sayid as hostages, I think they want to help them off island.

  186. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="222032"][quote comment="221997"][quote comment="221988"]Did anyone else, upon hearing the wistful music at the end, expect the freighter to blow up as Sun was looking back at the door? I know *I* did.
    [/quote]
    I thought the same thing. Maybe they were hinting at that being the last time Sun sees Jin?[/quote]
    +++++++++++++
    I def. think you are correct. Somehow she and Aaron get off the freigter just before the big bang.[/quote]
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    I could see this as a possibility. But I’d expect a more obvious final “good-bye” scene between Jin and Sun, to maximize the drama. Maybe the explosives go off, and Jin stumbles towards Sun and utters a final “I love you” before dying in Sun’s arms.

  187. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="222044"]135- Lost4ever mentioned the memorial service was way after rescue, but that can’t be true,
    [/quote]
    Here’s what Jack says at the wake.
    JACK: About ten months ago, I wrote what I wanted to say at my father’s funeral on the back of a cocktail napkin at the Sydney airport. I don’t remember what I wrote, but whatever it was… he would’ve hated it.

  188. Bobbi says:

    Part two of my thoughts…

    OK, what if….Des and Penny DO reunite, and they are on the island somewhere. Ben goes to Widmore and threatens to kill Penny, so that Widmore will lead him to island (perhaps Ben can’t find it, but Widmore knows where it is). Just a thought.

    I also think this is why Sun bought Daddy’s company, so she can USE the power to help find the island. Sun’s dad would NOT have to approve of someone buying stocks, thats why its freetrade. He could try to prevent it,
    which is why he is so upset with his men that someone did it sneaky, through five different banks. Settlement money probably isn’t enough to gain control of company, so perhaps Ben is also teamed up with her.

    I think the other person she holds responsible is Widmore, and that is why she is teamed with Ben. They said the money came from several different banks, I think Ben is having the O6 help him. Ben says to Sayid at some point, something about protecting his friends. Perhaps he means the ones still livin on missing island. Afterall, by eliminating Widmore’s people, Sayid can assure that Widmore not find the island again and harm his ‘friends’.

    Tasha said Ben didn’t actually tell Locke what to do at bottom of elevator, but that’s because he plans to catch up to him, which is why he asked Locke to hold his wand.

    I am very interested to see how ‘long’ it takes for the second round of islandees to return to ship. If it took ages for the helicopter…hmmm.

  189. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="222045"]
    Michael can’t blow up on the boat if he is in the coffin.[/quote]
    You assume Michael is in the coffin. I do not.

  190. Tasker says:

    2 Quotes of the night:

    1. Ben: “I told you John! I always have a plan.”

    2. Sayid: “Interesting choice in theme.”

  191. docjock says:

    Morbidly guessing at two major player deaths for our season finale.

    Possible to die:
    Jin (mark it – he’s falling on a grenade)
    Juliet (maybe, not much drama though)
    Claire (seems likely, sure would like to find out what is happening with the off-camera rumors)
    Sawyer (was thinking this was likely for high drama, but Claire/Emilie may have fallen on her sword, saving Sawyer/Josh)
    Locke (doubt it, they’re not done with him)
    Desmond (not until they play out the Penny thread)
    Michael (not if we are convinced he is in the coffin = later)

    Anyone else?

  192. Rita says:

    [quote comment="221935"]So “the story” is that Jin and Claire did not survive the crash. It didn’t look like Jack was too happy about Sun’s reply at the press conference. But when Sayid denied the possibility of other survivors being discovered, Jack had this funny smirk on his face like “told you”.
    [/quote]
    **********************************
    Clearly, part of the point of the lie is to keep anyone from even looking for other survivors. Sayid answered so emphatically “absolutely not”, when asked if it were possible that others also survived. Everyone seemed so uncomfortable with the lie, except for Jack. Did HE come up with it?

  193. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="222062"][quote comment="221935"]So “the story” is that Jin and Claire did not survive the crash. It didn’t look like Jack was too happy about Sun’s reply at the press conference. But when Sayid denied the possibility of other survivors being discovered, Jack had this funny smirk on his face like “told you”.
    [/quote]
    **********************************
    Clearly, part of the point of the lie is to keep anyone from even looking for other survivors. Sayid answered so emphatically “absolutely not”, when asked if it were possible that others also survived. Everyone seemed so uncomfortable with the lie, except for Jack. Did HE come up with it?[/quote]
    ———-
    That was my original feeling, Jack made up the “story”, or at least told them what the story was by whomever made it up. He also tells Kate “you did great”. It certainly did not seem like they were on all on the same page.

  194. JCK says:

    [quote comment="222062"][quote comment="221935"]So “the story” is that Jin and Claire did not survive the crash. It didn’t look like Jack was too happy about Sun’s reply at the press conference. But when Sayid denied the possibility of other survivors being discovered, Jack had this funny smirk on his face like “told you”.
    [/quote]
    **********************************
    Clearly, part of the point of the lie is to keep anyone from even looking for other survivors. Sayid answered so emphatically “absolutely not”, when asked if it were possible that others also survived. Everyone seemed so uncomfortable with the lie, except for Jack. Did HE come up with it?[/quote]

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Jack usually seems to be the source of direction so I’m guessing the lying was a stance heavily advocated by him.

    But for him to do that he must have a very good reason. After all, he “promised to get all those people off the island”. Plus, he’s usually the guy who jumps head first at any chance to be the hero, no matter the possible consequences. I think Jack comes to believe that the welfare of everyone who’s still on the island depends on nobody finding the island. As to how he comes to this enlightenment remains to be seen (Richard/Captain Eyeliner?)

  195. Tim says:

    If Sun and Aaron are in that picture, where is their shadow?
    I don’t see their shadow when I freeze the picture.

  196. BenLazy says:

    [quote comment="221903"]

    Accents really must be a pet peeve of mine, because Claire’s mom had a HORRIBLE Australian accent. There is NO WAY that woman is really Australian! Get the woman a dialogue coach. Or hire an ACTUAL Australian!

    Hey PJ, where are you from? I’m a born and bread Aussie, from Sydney, and me & my buddies here didn’t think for a second that Claire’s mum wasn’t a fellow Aussie..if she’s not she totally sounded like one.

    Michael’s in the coffin for sure…

  197. Tim says:

    [quote comment="222067"][quote comment="221903"]

    Accents really must be a pet peeve of mine, because Claire’s mom had a HORRIBLE Australian accent. There is NO WAY that woman is really Australian! Get the woman a dialogue coach. Or hire an ACTUAL Australian!

    Hey PJ, where are you from? I’m a born and bread Aussie, from Sydney, and me & my buddies here didn’t think for a second that Claire’s mum wasn’t a fellow Aussie..if she’s not she totally sounded like one.

    Michael’s in the coffin for sure…[/quote]

    Shows how much I know ’cause I thought it was a bad accent too.

  198. lola says:

    [quote comment="221943"]ok, one thing that really bothered me: do any of the people involved in planning the cover story really think people are going to believe aaron was only 5 weeks old during the press conference?

    I mean come on…. i know they had to make stuff up to make their ruse believable, but trying to convince anyone that aaron was that young there was ridiculous!![/quote]
    i agree

  199. wally p says:

    Ok. Right away, I got the impression that if one person had NO business being rescued it was Jack. Not sure why entirely, but he should have stayed and let someone else go. Sun is definately PISSED at Jack. And man, that whole first scene with them all on the rescue plane was hard to swallow man. I feel alot of hardship for Jack right now… even though I also kind of think he’s a donkey at the moment.
    He def makes a costly descision at some point very soon…

    I am very glad all of that stuff was dealt with on the show last night, and nicely split up with some good island scenes, because the Oceanic 6 stuff really made me miss the island.

    Plus…holy love triangle last night. Talk about the tensest love triangle moment yet. I cant really gather too much more yet, except that Jack is gonna have to deal with being a a total jack-ass for a while. HE SHOULD HAVE STAYED!

  200. bpl says:

    Long time reader/first time poster.

    I can totally understand why the O6 are lying and created a story. Here’s my thinking:
    a) They want to protect the island and/or any people who may be still be on it. (Sawyer-I hope!)
    b) It would be an unbelievable story – unidentified island with crazy people,weird black smoke, paranormal behavior-not to mention that it may have moved!
    c) Protect themselves from Widmore-who will do anything to get the island.

    This is why I think they don’t acknowledge the island, other survivors or anything that happens. Jin probably dies on the freighter(which is tied to the island and Widmore so it’s not acknowledged). Not sure about what’s happening with Michael or Desmond.
    My big question is why they claim 8 people survived. Who are the other 2 (or 3 depending on Aaron)? I’m wondering what happens that they have to acknowledge that they died sometime after the crash-is there a body that washes up or something? Otherwise, why not just say it was just the 5 (or 6). I really hope that part gets cleared up in this seasons finale.

  201. Rita says:

    OK, here’s my theory:
    The ship DOES blow, and Sun jumps into the water. Very dramatic, lots of music, Sun screaming for Jin. She THINKS Jin and the rest are dead (we won’t see any bodies though, of course). The second raft-load (who never make it to the ship before it blows) picks up Sun in the water and heads back to the island (no where else to go). There will eventually be a Jin/Sun reunion (at the last season?).
    Also, the O6 get out THROUGH THE ORCHID/”TIME MACHINE THINGEE”. Sun is now back on the island, and the rest of the beach people head for the Orchid station (Daniel knows where it is). That’s how Sun joins the other 06ers. Then, the machine only can take so many at once, and they choose who to go (in a hurry of course, lots of drama). They end up at a place near the fake crash site, and stage a “rescue”. They are tramatized by the teleportation, etc., and agree to never tell ANYONE what happened. As someone else suggested, they will believe that in so doing, they can keep the rest safe. Just my idea. Any thoughts?

  202. lola says:

    [quote comment="222051"][quote comment="222044"]135- Lost4ever mentioned the memorial service was way after rescue, but that can’t be true,
    [/quote]
    Here’s what Jack says at the wake.
    JACK: About ten months ago, I wrote what I wanted to say at my father’s funeral on the back of a cocktail napkin at the Sydney airport. I don’t remember what I wrote, but whatever it was… he would’ve hated it.[/quote]
    yeah, i don’t get this 10 months ago? if christian died 10 months ago and they were on the island 108 days, that leaves 7 months that they were on or getting to the island of Sumba?? don’t get it

  203. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="222072"]
    My big question is why they claim 8 people survived. Who are the other 2 (or 3 depending on Aaron)? I’m wondering what happens that they have to acknowledge that they died sometime after the crash-is there a body that washes up or something? Otherwise, why not just say it was just the 5 (or 6). I really hope that part gets cleared up in this seasons finale.[/quote]
    I have a guess. I think that the ACTUAL rescue will be tense and couple of the “extras” from the beach are somehow taking up space that prevents a couple of “stars” from getting rescued. The two extras get killed in the maylee, but end up off the island when it moves…?

  204. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="222074"][quote comment="222051"][quote comment="222044"]135- Lost4ever mentioned the memorial service was way after rescue, but that can’t be true,
    [/quote]
    Here’s what Jack says at the wake.
    JACK: About ten months ago, I wrote what I wanted to say at my father’s funeral on the back of a cocktail napkin at the Sydney airport. I don’t remember what I wrote, but whatever it was… he would’ve hated it.[/quote]
    yeah, i don’t get this 10 months ago? if christian died 10 months ago and they were on the island 108 days, that leaves 7 months that they were on or getting to the island of Sumba?? don’t get it[/quote]
    JMO, but now that we know that the time lines are all buggered up. Trying to figure out why Aaron is big and how long the O6 were actually missing is too hard. I am waiting to get an answer on island/real time ratios or delays??

  205. JCK says:

    Michael last saw Walt before he left for the freighter and if memory serves, Walt was a lot older than he was on the island (and they were only there for a relatively short time). I’m not sure if this has anything to do with the time distortions or if it’s just the fact that the child actor had aged between shoots…

  206. lola says:

    [quote comment="222080"][quote comment="222074"][quote comment="222051"][quote comment="222044"]135- Lost4ever mentioned the memorial service was way after rescue, but that can’t be true,
    [/quote]
    Here’s what Jack says at the wake.
    JACK: About ten months ago, I wrote what I wanted to say at my father’s funeral on the back of a cocktail napkin at the Sydney airport. I don’t remember what I wrote, but whatever it was… he would’ve hated it.[/quote]
    yeah, i don’t get this 10 months ago? if christian died 10 months ago and they were on the island 108 days, that leaves 7 months that they were on or getting to the island of Sumba?? don’t get it[/quote]
    JMO, but now that we know that the time lines are all buggered up. Trying to figure out why Aaron is big and how long the O6 were actually missing is too hard. I am waiting to get an answer on island/real time ratios or delays??[/quote]
    sorry-what’s JMO?

  207. Rita says:

    [quote comment="222077"][quote comment="222072"]
    My big question is why they claim 8 people survived. Who are the other 2 (or 3 depending on Aaron)? I’m wondering what happens that they have to acknowledge that they died sometime after the crash-is there a body that washes up or something? Otherwise, why not just say it was just the 5 (or 6). I really hope that part gets cleared up in this seasons finale.[/quote]
    I have a guess. I think that the ACTUAL rescue will be tense and couple of the “extras” from the beach are somehow taking up space that prevents a couple of “stars” from getting rescued. The two extras get killed in the maylee, but end up off the island when it moves…?[/quote]
    ***************************
    Yes, maybe they don’t survive the teleportation from the Orchid (see my post #201).

  208. Lins says:

    I still think the island moves before Dan can get back from the freighter

    I don’t think the boat blows because I don’t think Michael can die

    I think the same is true for Ben, I think that’s why he walks so willingly into tough situations, he knows he can’t be killed

    I can’t wait to see how all the O6 are reunited, they’re so scattered all over the island right now, those last two hours are going to be intense!!

    I’m still not sure that Jin dies…I think Sun possibly buys a controlling interest in Paik Automotive so that she can work to find the island again…or protect it

    The whole O6 story is just so unbelieveable to me…can’t wait to see who comes up with it and why

    I think the coffin will be a complete surprise to all of us, and I think there’s a whole lot more to Dan and Charlotte than any of us have thought of yet

    I want to see what happens to Frank, if he is the one that ferrys them off the island in the chopper, what happens to him?

    Still need to re-watch, but loved all the white rabbit feet!!

  209. SUN_LOVER says:

    I think Hurley teams up with Sun to by daddys company. Remember a couple of weeks ago he was in Hong Kong with her at Jins grave

  210. Toeknee says:

    A big warning for people who want to avoid this stuff:

    Apparently some major spoilers about the remainder of the finale are out there on the internet. So be careful as you surf the web for these next two weeks. And if you do hear any of the spoiler info, please don’t post it here!

  211. Hammer says:

    JMO = just me opinion

  212. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="222083"][quote comment="222077"][quote comment="222072"]
    My big question is why they claim 8 people survived. Who are the other 2 (or 3 depending on Aaron)? I’m wondering what happens that they have to acknowledge that they died sometime after the crash-is there a body that washes up or something? Otherwise, why not just say it was just the 5 (or 6). I really hope that part gets cleared up in this seasons finale.[/quote]
    I have a guess. I think that the ACTUAL rescue will be tense and couple of the “extras” from the beach are somehow taking up space that prevents a couple of “stars” from getting rescued. The two extras get killed in the maylee, but end up off the island when it moves…?[/quote]
    ***************************
    Yes, maybe they don’t survive the teleportation from the Orchid (see my post #201).[/quote]
    ++++++++++++++
    Yeah, I just don’t think the Orchid is how the surviors get home. I think they get home the same way the freighter got to the island As I stated before, I think the Orchid is how they move the island.

  213. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="222068"][quote comment="222067"][quote comment="221903"]

    Accents really must be a pet peeve of mine, because Claire’s mom had a HORRIBLE Australian accent. There is NO WAY that woman is really Australian! Get the woman a dialogue coach. Or hire an ACTUAL Australian!

    Hey PJ, where are you from? I’m a born and bread Aussie, from Sydney, and me & my buddies here didn’t think for a second that Claire’s mum wasn’t a fellow Aussie..if she’s not she totally sounded like one.

    Michael’s in the coffin for sure…[/quote]

    Shows how much I know ’cause I thought it was a bad accent too.[/quote]

    °°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°

    I looked her up on imdb – she’s a Brit.

    I’m from all over – with a British mum and an non-existent father. I went to a kind of international school, had friends who were Aussie’s, South African, Saudi, German, Czech, Russian, Swedish, Dutch, etc. So I expect that is why my ear is so finicky.

    : ) P

  214. Hammer says:

    I can’t help but feel the rabbits feet are a nod to the hard core fans…no?

  215. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="222091"]I can’t help but feel the rabbits feet are a nod to the hard core fans…no?[/quote]
    LOL…..I was wondering if that was another #15.

  216. lost4ever says:

    Im not sure why the off-island timeline would be difficult to understand. They were rescued by fishermen on the isalnd of Sumba January 7 (Real-world time). Christian’s wake was around 10 month’s after Jack was in the bar with Ana Lucia, the day of the crash. sometime in July 2005. That’s all real wrold time. Facts that the real world would have to understand, especially those nosey reporters.

  217. Hammer says:

    Here’s a thought about the secondary protocol.

    Tell me if I’m stepping on toes.

    I think some folks (me included) have assumed that the secondary protocol (SP) was for Keamy to do if the original attack didn’t work. I now think it is what DHARMA folks were supposed to do if attacked. Sort of like turning the key was a last resort. So Keamy was instructed to read what Ben would do and try to beat him to the punch? What’s got me confused is, if the SP was a DHARMA manual why doesn’t Keamy know that the “real” Orchid is down a hidden elevator? He’s wondering around the green house waiting for Ben…

  218. spiralturtle says:

    [quote comment="221632"]I am interested to hear the top few items on everyone’s “Wish List” for the 3 season finale episodes. Stuff that will tide you over until Jan 2009… not the big stuff you want for the series finale – 37 episodes from now, but the smaller stuff.[/quote]

    +++++++++++++

    1. More of the island’s history – Four toed statue, the Black Rock, Adam and Eve, etc.
    2. Is Clair dead or alive? And why did the actress who played her look like she’d gained 20 pounds in one week?
    3. The Smokey/Jacob thing — how are they connected, and who is Jacob?
    4. More on the significance of the numbers and the Valenzetti Code.

  219. Tim says:

    [quote comment="222098"]Here’s a thought about the secondary protocol.

    Tell me if I’m stepping on toes.

    I think some folks (me included) have assumed that the secondary protocol (SP) was for Keamy to do if the original attack didn’t work. I now think it is what DHARMA folks were supposed to do if attacked. Sort of like turning the key was a last resort. So Keamy was instructed to read what Ben would do and try to beat him to the punch? What’s got me confused is, if the SP was a DHARMA manual why doesn’t Keamy know that the “real” Orchid is down a hidden elevator? He’s wondering around the green house waiting for Ben…[/quote]

    He wouldn’t know because he just glanced at it?

  220. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="222098"]Here’s a thought about the secondary protocol.

    Tell me if I’m stepping on toes.

    I think some folks (me included) have assumed that the secondary protocol (SP) was for Keamy to do if the original attack didn’t work. I now think it is what DHARMA folks were supposed to do if attacked. Sort of like turning the key was a last resort. So Keamy was instructed to read what Ben would do and try to beat him to the punch? What’s got me confused is, if the SP was a DHARMA manual why doesn’t Keamy know that the “real” Orchid is down a hidden elevator? He’s wondering around the green house waiting for Ben…[/quote]
    I agree. The second protocol was developed by Dharma around 15 years ago. Maybe after the “incident” or when Danielle’s team reached the island. Good point, wouldn’t Keamy know the entrance ways and have them monitored.

  221. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="222097"]Im not sure why the off-island timeline would be difficult to understand. They were rescued by fishermen on the isalnd of Sumba January 7 (Real-world time). Christian’s wake was around 10 month’s after Jack was in the bar with Ana Lucia, the day of the crash. sometime in July 2005. That’s all real wrold time. Facts that the real world would have to understand, especially those nosey reporters.[/quote]
    I guess I wasn’t clear. I meant in relation to island time. Folks are trying to tie the size of Aaron to when things happened. I think once we find out exactly what is going on with island time, it will be easier to nit pick this stuff…..just an observation….I’m not trying to stop being from trying to solve it.

  222. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="222100"][quote comment="222098"]Here’s a thought about the secondary protocol.

    Tell me if I’m stepping on toes.

    I think some folks (me included) have assumed that the secondary protocol (SP) was for Keamy to do if the original attack didn’t work. I now think it is what DHARMA folks were supposed to do if attacked. Sort of like turning the key was a last resort. So Keamy was instructed to read what Ben would do and try to beat him to the punch? What’s got me confused is, if the SP was a DHARMA manual why doesn’t Keamy know that the “real” Orchid is down a hidden elevator? He’s wondering around the green house waiting for Ben…[/quote]

    He wouldn’t know because he just glanced at it?[/quote]
    ++++++++++++
    It’s a thought, but I don’t think a merc like Keamy would just glance at it, he’s hard core.

  223. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="222102"][quote comment="222097"]Im not sure why the off-island timeline would be difficult to understand. They were rescued by fishermen on the isalnd of Sumba January 7 (Real-world time). Christian’s wake was around 10 month’s after Jack was in the bar with Ana Lucia, the day of the crash. sometime in July 2005. That’s all real wrold time. Facts that the real world would have to understand, especially those nosey reporters.[/quote]
    I guess I wasn’t clear. I meant in relation to island time. Folks are trying to tie the size of Aaron to when things happened. I think once we find out exactly what is going on with island time, it will be easier to nit pick this stuff…..just an observation….I’m not trying to stop being from trying to solve it.[/quote]
    For crying out loud…..I’m not trying to stop ANYONE from trying to solve it……I need to slow down. :)

  224. Rita says:

    [quote comment="222101"][quote comment="222098"]Here’s a thought about the secondary protocol.

    Tell me if I’m stepping on toes.

    I think some folks (me included) have assumed that the secondary protocol (SP) was for Keamy to do if the original attack didn’t work. I now think it is what DHARMA folks were supposed to do if attacked. Sort of like turning the key was a last resort. So Keamy was instructed to read what Ben would do and try to beat him to the punch? What’s got me confused is, if the SP was a DHARMA manual why doesn’t Keamy know that the “real” Orchid is down a hidden elevator? He’s wondering around the green house waiting for Ben…[/quote]
    I agree. The second protocol was developed by Dharma around 15 years ago. Maybe after the “incident” or when Danielle’s team reached the island. Good point, wouldn’t Keamy know the entrance ways and have them monitored.[/quote]
    ***********************
    Ben told Locke how to get to the elevator, involving something about looking under a plant, etc. Possibly Keamy doesn’t know ALL THAT about the Orchid, just where and what it is. He had to wait for Ben. My guess is that they wanted to follow Ben to the “real” Orchid, but Ben came out with his hands up, so they had no choice but to intercept him there, on Ben’s own terms. Lets Locke sneak in to the elevator. Interesting that Keamy was entrusted with the mission, but not with everything: He wasn’t suppose to look at the “SP” unless it got desperate, and even then, only with the captain (with the second key). Hmmmmmmmm

  225. lola says:

    [quote comment="222097"]Im not sure why the off-island timeline would be difficult to understand. They were rescued by fishermen on the isalnd of Sumba January 7 (Real-world time). Christian’s wake was around 10 month’s after Jack was in the bar with Ana Lucia, the day of the crash. sometime in July 2005. That’s all real wrold time. Facts that the real world would have to understand, especially those nosey reporters.[/quote]
    thought they crashed septemberish 2004

  226. Miraks says:

    [quote comment="221842"]Wow so Claire’s mom has no idea that is her grandson….that’s pretty sad. She was in a coma then lost her daughter…she has a right to know!!!![/quote]
    But she can’t find out. If Kate admits that Aaron is not hers and that he is Claire’s, the whole 06 lie will start to unreveal. I think that is why Jack ends up not wanting to see Aaron- just too much guilt. I’m also not sure that he ever tells Kate that he is Aarons uncle.

  227. Miraks says:

    [quote comment="221868"]I loved the fact that Hurley asked Ben a million questions, and Ben actually answered most of them, albeit somewhat ambiguously at times.

    I didn’t like the fact that Kate, Hurley and Sayid got a front row seat at Christian’s memorial service. Not very realistic – other family members or friends of Christian would have been in front of them. (yes I’m being nitpicky, but it just struck me as too “Hollywood-ish”)[/quote]
    Kate would be up front because she is Jack’s significant other at that time.

  228. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="222106"][quote comment="222097"]Im not sure why the off-island timeline would be difficult to understand. They were rescued by fishermen on the isalnd of Sumba January 7 (Real-world time). Christian’s wake was around 10 month’s after Jack was in the bar with Ana Lucia, the day of the crash. sometime in July 2005. That’s all real wrold time. Facts that the real world would have to understand, especially those nosey reporters.[/quote]
    thought they crashed septemberish 2004[/quote]

    °°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°

    September 22, 2004

    : ) P

  229. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="222106"][quote comment="222097"]Im not sure why the off-island timeline would be difficult to understand. They were rescued by fishermen on the isalnd of Sumba January 7 (Real-world time). Christian’s wake was around 10 month’s after Jack was in the bar with Ana Lucia, the day of the crash. sometime in July 2005. That’s all real wrold time. Facts that the real world would have to understand, especially those nosey reporters.[/quote]
    thought they crashed septemberish 2004[/quote]
    It was, lost4ever meant the memorial is July ’05ish.

  230. Miraks says:

    [quote comment="222002"][quote comment="221943"]ok, one thing that really bothered me: do any of the people involved in planning the cover story really think people are going to believe aaron was only 5 weeks old during the press conference?

    I mean come on…. i know they had to make stuff up to make their ruse believable, but trying to convince anyone that aaron was that young there was ridiculous!![/quote]

    I agree that Aaron did NOT look five weeks old. At first, I figured it was more about CASTING a baby, than their lie, but I suspect it is partly both.

    They crashed on September 22, 2004. 108 days later, when they were “rescued” would be about January 8, 2005. Claire gave birth to Aaron around November 1st. That would make Aaron about nine weeks old. That baby looked older than nine weeks!

    But if according to the Oceanic Conspiracy, Kate was “five months pregnant” at the time of the crash, that would put her as “full term” sometime in January. If, according to the Oceanic Conspiracy, Aaron was five weeks old, he would have been born December 4, so Aaron would have been at least a month premature, and therefore should have been especially SMALL for five weeks!

    I think that the press is being asked to accept this story and are willing to wait to get details and confirmation. In reality, we’ve seen an entire country suspend belief in the truth because someone official asked them to, so why not the media at that press conference?

    We also have the time shift thing that has not been mentioned. How will THAT play into the rescue story?

    : ) P[/quote]
    _____________________________
    __________________________________

    Babies have to be AT LEAST three months old before they can be used in movies. Kids below that age are not allowed per film industry rules, so no matter what, Aaron would have looked older. Though they could have used a smaller baby.

  231. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="222105"][quote comment="222101"][quote comment="222098"]Here’s a thought about the secondary protocol.

    Tell me if I’m stepping on toes.

    I think some folks (me included) have assumed that the secondary protocol (SP) was for Keamy to do if the original attack didn’t work. I now think it is what DHARMA folks were supposed to do if attacked. Sort of like turning the key was a last resort. So Keamy was instructed to read what Ben would do and try to beat him to the punch? What’s got me confused is, if the SP was a DHARMA manual why doesn’t Keamy know that the “real” Orchid is down a hidden elevator? He’s wondering around the green house waiting for Ben…[/quote]
    I agree. The second protocol was developed by Dharma around 15 years ago. Maybe after the “incident” or when Danielle’s team reached the island. Good point, wouldn’t Keamy know the entrance ways and have them monitored.[/quote]
    ***********************
    Ben told Locke how to get to the elevator, involving something about looking under a plant, etc. Possibly Keamy doesn’t know ALL THAT about the Orchid, just where and what it is. He had to wait for Ben. My guess is that they wanted to follow Ben to the “real” Orchid, but Ben came out with his hands up, so they had no choice but to intercept him there, on Ben’s own terms. Lets Locke sneak in to the elevator. Interesting that Keamy was entrusted with the mission, but not with everything: He wasn’t suppose to look at the “SP” unless it got desperate, and even then, only with the captain (with the second key). Hmmmmmmmm[/quote]
    +++++++++++++++
    I suppose, I would think that the SP written by DHARMA would be more specific if it is for a desperate measure….no? Why would desperate folks holding a SP have to guess where the real Orchid is?

  232. GuttahMan says:

    First off, probably the best Ep of the season, my jaw was on the floor the entire time.

    Im not really sure about all the confusion about the O6 lying about the rescue. They really have no choice….the world has already been told and shown that flight 815 crashed and there were no survivors. If any of the O6 come forward and say they were stranded on an island and there are more survivors, then whoever staged the crash has some serious explaining to do, it now turns into a worldwide conspiracy, not only that but you then have rescue teams searching for an island that cannot be found….im pretty sure that widmore has something to do with the O6 getting there settlement money since he is most likely the one who staged the crash.

    As far as the O6 getting off the island, here is my theory…i think jack, sawyer and the pilot (his name escapes me now!) make it to hugo and locke, an argument ensues and somehow hurly still ends up going with Locke (i think this situation is why hugo apologized to jack about not going with him when he was in the mental inst.) Jack and Sawyer follow, eventually meet up with the others along with kate and sayid, a war starts between the others and keamy’s team and Jack Sawyer, Kate, Hugo, sayid and the pilot make a run for the chopper, but sawyer stays behind to look for Claire. Once on the chopper they make there way to the frieghter where something has gone wrong with the C4 and its a matter of minutes before the ship explodes, Jin, being the honorable man he is makes sure that Sun is on that chopper and makes the ultimate sacrifice by staying on the boat with Michael, Des and the other people…..We now have our O6

  233. Bailey Loves Lost says:

    [quote comment="222085"]I think Hurley teams up with Sun to by daddys company. Remember a couple of weeks ago he was in Hong Kong with her at Jins grave[/quote]
    *****
    This would make a lot of sense (well to me at least!) Hurley does have $150 million from the lottery. He came to see Sun after the baby was born. In last night’s episode, Sun told her father that they would talk about “our business” after the baby is born. If Hurley helped Sun by her share of the company, then he might be going with Sun to talk to her father. Also, remember how Hurley said to Sun when he went to see Ji-Yeon that they should go see him. Maybe that HIM wasn’t Jin, but he was referring to Sun’s father.

  234. helen says:

    Could anyone please help me understand what happened on the freighter when Des ran into onto the ship’s bridge and I think he was trying to turn the freighter towards the island but the instruments were not responding. Has the freighter drifted too close to the island? or is all that C2 creating some intereference? is this realization prior to the discovery of the C2 even significant?

    btw- Sawyer and Des are my favs and I’ll be crushed if they don’t make it!
    Thx-helen

  235. wally p says:

    I’m pretty sure that the initial press conference story is going to be on constant guard. There was a lot of heffenreffer being tossed around, and the reporters did not seem satisfied. I think I was too hard on Jack in my last post, calling him a jack ass and all. But I do think some of the lie is to cover up some slip of his, which he constantly seems to be trying to make right of in this episode, but we dont know what that is yet. The lie seems to have become more complicated than it was supposed to be, because they all (jack too) seem like they hate it.

    and I still think Jack was not rightly supposed to leave the island. He is convinced that he did the right thing by doing so, but I’m looking back to the episode when him and Kate were talking about how Sawyer “made his decision to stay…” and I think the rest of the 06 have serious doubts about what he did. (whatever that is)
    Last night my favorites were Sawyer and Ben. If anyone on this show has been selected for a greater purpose, I think it has to be Sawyer.. his whole attitude has completely changed in just the last few weeks… Jack as I said, has a lot more hardship to go through.

    Ben. I like the fact that Ben went from being such a creep in last season, to just being probably the smartest guy around. When you find yourself rooting for the bad guy, then he’s got you!
    Ben cant die…Keemey was ripped when that gun of his clicked (yet again) awesome!

  236. GuttahMan says:

    [quote comment="222117"]Ben cant die…Keemey was ripped when that gun of his clicked (yet again) awesome![/quote]

    Keamy didnt try to shoot Ben, he just gun butted him to knock him out…

  237. Tasker says:

    [quote comment="222118"][quote comment="222117"]Ben cant die…Keemey was ripped when that gun of his clicked (yet again) awesome![/quote]

    Keamy didnt try to shoot Ben, he just gun butted him to knock him out…[/quote]

    I’d say it was more of a pistol whip.

  238. JCK says:

    [quote comment="222114"]First off, probably the best Ep of the season, my jaw was on the floor the entire time.

    Im not really sure about all the confusion about the O6 lying about the rescue. They really have no choice….the world has already been told and shown that flight 815 crashed and there were no survivors. If any of the O6 come forward and say they were stranded on an island and there are more survivors, then whoever staged the crash has some serious explaining to do, it now turns into a worldwide conspiracy, not only that but you then have rescue teams searching for an island that cannot be found….im pretty sure that widmore has something to do with the O6 getting there settlement money since he is most likely the one who staged the crash.

    As far as the O6 getting off the island, here is my theory…i think jack, sawyer and the pilot (his name escapes me now!) make it to hugo and locke, an argument ensues and somehow hurly still ends up going with Locke (i think this situation is why hugo apologized to jack about not going with him when he was in the mental inst.) Jack and Sawyer follow, eventually meet up with the others along with kate and sayid, a war starts between the others and keamy’s team and Jack Sawyer, Kate, Hugo, sayid and the pilot make a run for the chopper, but sawyer stays behind to look for Claire. Once on the chopper they make there way to the frieghter where something has gone wrong with the C4 and its a matter of minutes before the ship explodes, Jin, being the honorable man he is makes sure that Sun is on that chopper and makes the ultimate sacrifice by staying on the boat with Michael, Des and the other people…..We now have our O6[/quote]
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    But what do the O6 care about starting a ‘worldwide conspiracy’? the only reason I think they would be motivated to lie is either a) because doing so somehow helps ensure the other survivors’ safety or b) they are being coerced to lie by someone like Widmore (in who’s best interest it is to keep the island a secret)

  239. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="222108"][quote comment="221868"]I loved the fact that Hurley asked Ben a million questions, and Ben actually answered most of them, albeit somewhat ambiguously at times.

    I didn’t like the fact that Kate, Hurley and Sayid got a front row seat at Christian’s memorial service. Not very realistic – other family members or friends of Christian would have been in front of them. (yes I’m being nitpicky, but it just struck me as too “Hollywood-ish”)[/quote]
    Kate would be up front because she is Jack’s significant other at that time.[/quote]
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    I don’t think she was at that point. According to Eggtown, it seems that Jack and Kate don’t get together until after Kate’s trial, at which point Aaron appeared to be 2 or 3 years old. At the service for Christian, Aaron was still a baby (maybe 6 or 7 months old).

  240. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="222120"][quote comment="222114"]First off, probably the best Ep of the season, my jaw was on the floor the entire time.

    Im not really sure about all the confusion about the O6 lying about the rescue. They really have no choice….the world has already been told and shown that flight 815 crashed and there were no survivors. If any of the O6 come forward and say they were stranded on an island and there are more survivors, then whoever staged the crash has some serious explaining to do, it now turns into a worldwide conspiracy, not only that but you then have rescue teams searching for an island that cannot be found….im pretty sure that widmore has something to do with the O6 getting there settlement money since he is most likely the one who staged the crash.

    As far as the O6 getting off the island, here is my theory…i think jack, sawyer and the pilot (his name escapes me now!) make it to hugo and locke, an argument ensues and somehow hurly still ends up going with Locke (i think this situation is why hugo apologized to jack about not going with him when he was in the mental inst.) Jack and Sawyer follow, eventually meet up with the others along with kate and sayid, a war starts between the others and keamy’s team and Jack Sawyer, Kate, Hugo, sayid and the pilot make a run for the chopper, but sawyer stays behind to look for Claire. Once on the chopper they make there way to the frieghter where something has gone wrong with the C4 and its a matter of minutes before the ship explodes, Jin, being the honorable man he is makes sure that Sun is on that chopper and makes the ultimate sacrifice by staying on the boat with Michael, Des and the other people…..We now have our O6[/quote]
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    But what do the O6 care about starting a ‘worldwide conspiracy’? the only reason I think they would be motivated to lie is either a) because doing so somehow helps ensure the other survivors’ safety or b) they are being coerced to lie by someone like Widmore (in who’s best interest it is to keep the island a secret)[/quote]
    +++++++++++++++
    I agree, they aren’t lying because THEY don’t want the world to know about the island…THEY are being manipulated. At one time, when we only knew about Jack and Kate off the island, it would have been to protect Kate from the law. Now that we know she didn’t hide from the law, I think we know that someone else is forcing the lies.

  241. Hammer says:

    Adding: This is likely why some think Sayid is a double agent. Keeping the island secret, yet helping Ben go after Widmore(well after the O6 lie).

  242. JCK says:

    [quote comment="222127"]Adding: This is likely why some think Sayid is a double agent. Keeping the island secret, yet helping Ben go after Widmore(well after the O6 lie).[/quote]

    Right, and even further making the point: I think that Jack’s first reaction would be to do whatever possible to get those people off the island, unless he had a REALLY good reason not to. He has no affinity for the island. That’s Locke’s department. In fact, it seems that the island no longer (if it ever did at all) has an affinity for Jack, judging by his recent bout with appendicitis. Jack (the) Shepard is always about leading the people.

  243. deangoodes says:

    With all of the talk of the O6 getting off the Island, there doesn’t seem to be any discussion on how they decided WHO got to leave? Maybe it wasn’t the Lostie’s decision as to who got to leave. Maybe Ben decided who left; he sent people he could trust would not give away any info on the island. We know Sayid is working for him so he would definitely sent him. The more I write this the more I am convincing myself that they were picked by Ben. As was mentioned earlier, Jack would NOT want to leave people behind and go home himself so possibly he was forced to leave the island.

  244. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="222128"]I think that Jack’s first reaction would be to do whatever possible to get those people off the island, unless he had a REALLY good reason not to. He has no affinity for the island. That’s Locke’s department. In fact, it seems that the island no longer (if it ever did at all) has an affinity for Jack, judging by his recent bout with appendicitis. Jack (the) Shepard is always about leading the people.[/quote]

    I mentioned in last week’s thread that I think that the appendicitis was as much about moving the plot along as it was the island being displeased with Jack. I think that it is in Jack’s character to make sure EVERYONE got off the island before he did. I think that it is because of his recent surgery that other people insist that he go first.

    Ben choosing the O6 may be right, but he does he give two hoots about Kate or Sun? I think he would rather Hurley stayed on the island.

    : ) P

  245. Woschiz says:

    What’s the deal with Christian’s funeral? They knew he was dead before Jack even left for Australia, it’s not like Jack, where he there is a posibility he’s still alive. Christians was DEAD. Wouldn’t they have had the funeral months earlier, why wait until the return of Jack?

  246. Miraks says:

    [quote comment="222125"][quote comment="222108"][quote comment="221868"]I loved the fact that Hurley asked Ben a million questions, and Ben actually answered most of them, albeit somewhat ambiguously at times.

    I didn’t like the fact that Kate, Hurley and Sayid got a front row seat at Christian’s memorial service. Not very realistic – other family members or friends of Christian would have been in front of them. (yes I’m being nitpicky, but it just struck me as too “Hollywood-ish”)[/quote]
    Kate would be up front because she is Jack’s significant other at that time.[/quote]
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    I don’t think she was at that point. According to Eggtown, it seems that Jack and Kate don’t get together until after Kate’s trial, at which point Aaron appeared to be 2 or 3 years old. At the service for Christian, Aaron was still a baby (maybe 6 or 7 months old).[/quote]
    ____________________

    I disagree. They have been getting closer and Jack talks to her like they are a couple. Plus, at Hurley’s party Kate says that Jack is running late, but he’ll be there. That sounds like something one would say about one’s partner.

  247. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="222130"]With all of the talk of the O6 getting off the Island, there doesn’t seem to be any discussion on how they decided WHO got to leave? Maybe it wasn’t the Lostie’s decision as to who got to leave. Maybe Ben decided who left; he sent people he could trust would not give away any info on the island. We know Sayid is working for him so he would definitely sent him. The more I write this the more I am convincing myself that they were picked by Ben. As was mentioned earlier, Jack would NOT want to leave people behind and go home himself so possibly he was forced to leave the island.[/quote]
    I don’t think any of them were allowed to leave. It seems to me that the O6 more or less “escaped”. Sayid didn’t work for Ben until after his wife gets killed. I don’t think Ben “sent” anyone off the island. Again, I think they are off the island when it gets “moved” and ended up being rescued. Hence the big lie. Now the story turns to how and why the O6 have to go back and find the island.

  248. Miraks says:

    [quote comment="221863"]Can’t find a good anagram from Manukangga…anyone?[/quote]
    It is an actual place- I don’t think there is an anagram.

  249. JamieGirl says:

    [quote comment="222111"][quote comment="222002"][quote comment="221943"]ok, one thing that really bothered me: do any of the people involved in planning the cover story really think people are going to believe aaron was only 5 weeks old during the press conference?

    I mean come on…. i know they had to make stuff up to make their ruse believable, but trying to convince anyone that aaron was that young there was ridiculous!![/quote]

    I agree that Aaron did NOT look five weeks old. At first, I figured it was more about CASTING a baby, than their lie, but I suspect it is partly both.

    They crashed on September 22, 2004. 108 days later, when they were “rescued” would be about January 8, 2005. Claire gave birth to Aaron around November 1st. That would make Aaron about nine weeks old. That baby looked older than nine weeks!

    But if according to the Oceanic Conspiracy, Kate was “five months pregnant” at the time of the crash, that would put her as “full term” sometime in January. If, according to the Oceanic Conspiracy, Aaron was five weeks old, he would have been born December 4, so Aaron would have been at least a month premature, and therefore should have been especially SMALL for five weeks!

    I think that the press is being asked to accept this story and are willing to wait to get details and confirmation. In reality, we’ve seen an entire country suspend belief in the truth because someone official asked them to, so why not the media at that press conference?

    We also have the time shift thing that has not been mentioned. How will THAT play into the rescue story?

    : ) P[/quote]
    _____________________________
    __________________________________

    Babies have to be AT LEAST three months old before they can be used in movies. Kids below that age are not allowed per film industry rules, so no matter what, Aaron would have looked older. Though they could have used a smaller baby.[/quote]

    Ok just a note that the age of Aaron, JMO, is being over analyzed. On Gossip Girls, those girls look 25, not 17. It’s TV people !

  250. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="222137"][quote comment="221863"]Can’t find a good anagram from Manukangga…anyone?[/quote]
    It is an actual place- I don’t think there is an anagram.[/quote]
    That would explain it!

  251. JamieGirl says:

    [quote comment="222130"]With all of the talk of the O6 getting off the Island, there doesn’t seem to be any discussion on how they decided WHO got to leave? Maybe it wasn’t the Lostie’s decision as to who got to leave. Maybe Ben decided who left; he sent people he could trust would not give away any info on the island. We know Sayid is working for him so he would definitely sent him. The more I write this the more I am convincing myself that they were picked by Ben. As was mentioned earlier, Jack would NOT want to leave people behind and go home himself so possibly he was forced to leave the island.[/quote]

    I agree, Jack would be the type to vote for “Women and Children First”. As for the settlement, maybe it’s $3.2mm (laugh, I just remember Miles saying that to Ben and that conversation never being revisited or resolved – typical LOST, but keeps us all on our toes, and all blogging on company time) TGIF !

  252. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="222135"]
    I disagree. They have been getting closer and Jack talks to her like they are a couple. Plus, at Hurley’s party Kate says that Jack is running late, but he’ll be there. That sounds like something one would say about one’s partner.[/quote]
    OK I’ll admit it’s a possibility. So if they are “together” in the few months after the rescue, leading up to the service for Christian, the revelation to Jack that Claire was his sister creates a rift between him and Kate, so that they are not together at the time of Kate’s trial, but then they get back together at some point after the trial.

    I still lean towards them not being together at the time of Christian’s service. I think it’s possible Kate and Jack are still just friends at the time of Hurley’s party. Kate knows noone else in California, so it makes sense that she’d remain close friends with him, Hurley and Sayid, and she would know when Jack would be arriving at the party.

    But here’s another thought – at what point does Kate go to jail? At the time of her trial, she is being kept in jail, and that’s a couple years after their rescue. Why wouldn’t she be put in jail immediately after the rescue? She’s already proven to be a flight risk.

  253. Trixanna says:

    I have been wondering how they picked the 06 too. Here are my thoughts:

    1. Aaron – because he is a baby.
    2. Kate – to take care of “her baby”.
    3. Sun – because she is pregnant.
    4. Hurley – because he is having some serious mental health issues and can’t take the pressure any longer.
    5. Jack – had a bad time with his appendix surgery and may need medical attention.
    6. Sayid – to ensure the lie continues on. (Okay, I admit that I don’t have a good reason for him).

    A couple more thoughts about last night’s episode.

    Sawyer was preciuos when he came out of the jungle with Aaron. Who couldn’t love him at that moment and feel for him??? He has always had a tender side that was close to the surface and he really showed it last night.

    Sad, sad, sad that nobody was there to meet Kate when the families were reunited. Broke my heart! I would hope that even if my mom and I were at odds with each other, she would put on her happy face and meet me when she found out I was indeed still alive!!!!

    I don’t think Jin dies. Sun didn’t act like he died, IMO, she acted like he was still there and she was sad that he couldn’t be part of the 06.

  254. Trixanna says:

    I am sure this has been brought up a gazillion times but could LOST stand for “Land Of Shifting Time”?

  255. JamieGirl says:

    [quote comment="222140"][quote comment="222137"][quote comment="221863"]Can’t find a good anagram from Manukangga…anyone?[/quote]
    It is an actual place- I don’t think there is an anagram.[/quote]
    That would explain it![/quote]

    Manukangga, Indonesia

  256. Miraks says:

    [quote comment="222142"]

    But here’s another thought – at what point does Kate go to jail? At the time of her trial, she is being kept in jail, and that’s a couple years after their rescue. Why wouldn’t she be put in jail immediately after the rescue? She’s already proven to be a flight risk.[/quote]
    Maybe she worked out some kind of deal at first. She is a “celebrity” with an infant son. Or maybe she is wearing one of those ankle bracelets for now. LOL

  257. Bailey Loves Lost says:

    The time line just isn’t making sense to me. Jack was bring his father’s body home on the plane when it crashed. Therefore, Jack must have found out that his father died not long before that. If 108 days has past and Kate and Aaron are at Christian Shephard funeral, it can’t be that long after they got off the island. But Jack said that he wrote the (eulogy?) 10 months ago when he was sitting at a bar. How could ten months have past? Why would they have waited 7 or 8 months after being rescued to have his funeral? (Plus, Aaron would have been a lot older.)

    It seems like the O6 stayed close right after they were rescued – going to Hurley’s birthday party, all showing up at Jack’s father’s funeral. What could have happened to split them up?

    And Keamy reminds me of a pigeon that way he gets that weird expression on his face and tilts his head before he hit Ben. I just want to throw a rock at him or something!

  258. RGS says:

    [quote comment="222116"]Could anyone please help me understand what happened on the freighter when Des ran into onto the ship’s bridge and I think he was trying to turn the freighter towards the island but the instruments were not responding. Has the freighter drifted too close to the island? or is all that C2 creating some intereference? is this realization prior to the discovery of the C2 even significant?

    btw- Sawyer and Des are my favs and I’ll be crushed if they don’t make it!
    Thx-helen[/quote]

    The thing tied to Keamy’s arm is transmitting with the radio room on the boat. The the transmittor on his arm is connected to the C4 in the radio room. The radio room was getting interference and preventing the ship driver from believing he would stay on the 305 bearing.

  259. GuttahMan says:

    [quote comment="222126"][quote comment="222120"][quote comment="222114"]First off, probably the best Ep of the season, my jaw was on the floor the entire time.

    Im not really sure about all the confusion about the O6 lying about the rescue. They really have no choice….the world has already been told and shown that flight 815 crashed and there were no survivors. If any of the O6 come forward and say they were stranded on an island and there are more survivors, then whoever staged the crash has some serious explaining to do, it now turns into a worldwide conspiracy, not only that but you then have rescue teams searching for an island that cannot be found….im pretty sure that widmore has something to do with the O6 getting there settlement money since he is most likely the one who staged the crash.

    As far as the O6 getting off the island, here is my theory…i think jack, sawyer and the pilot (his name escapes me now!) make it to hugo and locke, an argument ensues and somehow hurly still ends up going with Locke (i think this situation is why hugo apologized to jack about not going with him when he was in the mental inst.) Jack and Sawyer follow, eventually meet up with the others along with kate and sayid, a war starts between the others and keamy’s team and Jack Sawyer, Kate, Hugo, sayid and the pilot make a run for the chopper, but sawyer stays behind to look for Claire. Once on the chopper they make there way to the frieghter where something has gone wrong with the C4 and its a matter of minutes before the ship explodes, Jin, being the honorable man he is makes sure that Sun is on that chopper and makes the ultimate sacrifice by staying on the boat with Michael, Des and the other people…..We now have our O6[/quote]
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    But what do the O6 care about starting a ‘worldwide conspiracy’? the only reason I think they would be motivated to lie is either a) because doing so somehow helps ensure the other survivors’ safety or b) they are being coerced to lie by someone like Widmore (in who’s best interest it is to keep the island a secret)[/quote]
    +++++++++++++++
    I agree, they aren’t lying because THEY don’t want the world to know about the island…THEY are being manipulated. At one time, when we only knew about Jack and Kate off the island, it would have been to protect Kate from the law. Now that we know she didn’t hide from the law, I think we know that someone else is forcing the lies.[/quote]

    Im not saying the O6 are making up the lie, there being forced to lie by either widmore or oceanic, i just made the point cuz alot of people here are asking why are they keeping up the lie. Im sure they gave the O6 an ultimatum, lie for us and be rich, or dont lie for us, be poor, watch Kate get sent to Prison, Aaron get put in a foster home, etc, etc. Either way the island is at some risk and has an intricate part in the lie.

  260. RGS says:

    [quote comment="222152"]The time line just isn’t making sense to me. Jack was bring his father’s body home on the plane when it crashed. Therefore, Jack must have found out that his father died not long before that. If 108 days has past and Kate and Aaron are at Christian Shephard funeral, it can’t be that long after they got off the island. But Jack said that he wrote the (eulogy?) 10 months ago when he was sitting at a bar. How could ten months have past? Why would they have waited 7 or 8 months after being rescued to have his funeral? (Plus, Aaron would have been a lot older.)

    It seems like the O6 stayed close right after they were rescued – going to Hurley’s birthday party, all showing up at Jack’s father’s funeral. What could have happened to split them up?

    And Keamy reminds me of a pigeon that way he gets that weird expression on his face and tilts his head before he hit Ben. I just want to throw a rock at him or something![/quote]

    As far as the Christian Shepard funeral, IMHO, they have the funeral WITH Jack present because Jack seems like a “finish what I started” type of guy. Therefore, sometime after they are rescued, he says to mom, “hey how was Dad’s funeral?” His mother, recognizing he needs closure, she did send him after CS anyway, decides to have a “proper” funeral eulogy, whatever. Much smaller crowd, probably geared toward the folks who know and were just as close to Jack as Christian, and most importantly…IT’s TV!

  261. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="222152"]
    It seems like the O6 stayed close right after they were rescued – going to Hurley’s birthday party, all showing up at Jack’s father’s funeral. What could have happened to split them up?[/quote]
    We can start with Charlie coming to see Hugo. Hugo won’t take his meds so Jack thinks he might squak. Then Jack sees his dad, he turns to drugs and alchol….it’s the island….they are changing fate…Aaron is either with the wrong folks or at the wrong place or both…it’s the island splitting them up….

  262. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="222156"][quote comment="222152"]
    It seems like the O6 stayed close right after they were rescued – going to Hurley’s birthday party, all showing up at Jack’s father’s funeral. What could have happened to split them up?[/quote]
    We can start with Charlie coming to see Hugo. Hugo won’t take his meds so Jack thinks he might squak. Then Jack sees his dad, he turns to drugs and alchol….it’s the island….they are changing fate…Aaron is either with the wrong folks or at the wrong place or both…it’s the island splitting them up….[/quote]
    ————–
    Sun was did not attend the funeral

  263. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="222157"][quote comment="222156"][quote comment="222152"]
    It seems like the O6 stayed close right after they were rescued – going to Hurley’s birthday party, all showing up at Jack’s father’s funeral. What could have happened to split them up?[/quote]
    We can start with Charlie coming to see Hugo. Hugo won’t take his meds so Jack thinks he might squak. Then Jack sees his dad, he turns to drugs and alchol….it’s the island….they are changing fate…Aaron is either with the wrong folks or at the wrong place or both…it’s the island splitting them up….[/quote]
    ————–
    Sun was did not attend the funeral[/quote]
    +++++++++++++++
    ’cause he is the other one she holds responsible for Jin?

  264. Tim says:

    I mentioned in last week’s thread that I think that the appendicitis was as much about moving the plot along as it was the island being displeased with Jack. I think that it is in Jack’s character to make sure EVERYONE got off the island before he did…

    He was ready to take the submarine himself and send an expedition back.

  265. Bailey Loves Lost says:

    or because she is in Korea?

  266. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="222158"][quote comment="222157"][quote comment="222156"][quote comment="222152"]
    It seems like the O6 stayed close right after they were rescued – going to Hurley’s birthday party, all showing up at Jack’s father’s funeral. What could have happened to split them up?[/quote]
    We can start with Charlie coming to see Hugo. Hugo won’t take his meds so Jack thinks he might squak. Then Jack sees his dad, he turns to drugs and alchol….it’s the island….they are changing fate…Aaron is either with the wrong folks or at the wrong place or both…it’s the island splitting them up….[/quote]
    ————–
    Sun was did not attend the funeral[/quote]
    +++++++++++++++
    ’cause he is the other one she holds responsible for Jin?[/quote]
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`
    Or because she lives in Korea and has no interest in hopping in an airplane anytime soon?

  267. JamieGirl says:

    [quote comment="222158"][quote comment="222157"][quote comment="222156"][quote comment="222152"]
    It seems like the O6 stayed close right after they were rescued – going to Hurley’s birthday party, all showing up at Jack’s father’s funeral. What could have happened to split them up?[/quote]
    We can start with Charlie coming to see Hugo. Hugo won’t take his meds so Jack thinks he might squak. Then Jack sees his dad, he turns to drugs and alchol….it’s the island….they are changing fate…Aaron is either with the wrong folks or at the wrong place or both…it’s the island splitting them up….[/quote]
    ————–
    Sun was did not attend the funeral[/quote]
    +++++++++++++++
    ’cause he is the other one she holds responsible for Jin?[/quote]

    No, because she lives in Korea !

  268. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="222161"]
    Or because she lives in Korea and has no interest in hopping in an airplane anytime soon?[/quote]
    Who knows? Maybe because she is a rich beotch. She didn’t attend Hurley’s party either. Maybe it was about the same time of Ji Yeon.

  269. JCK says:

    [quote comment="222156"][quote comment="222152"]
    It seems like the O6 stayed close right after they were rescued – going to Hurley’s birthday party, all showing up at Jack’s father’s funeral. What could have happened to split them up?[/quote]
    We can start with Charlie coming to see Hugo. Hugo won’t take his meds so Jack thinks he might squak. Then Jack sees his dad, he turns to drugs and alchol….it’s the island….they are changing fate…Aaron is either with the wrong folks or at the wrong place or both…it’s the island splitting them up….[/quote]

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Well, it seems like Hurley took off from his birthday party after seeing the speedometer in the car with his father – I’m guessing that was the impetus for him landing in the psychiatric facility.

    Actually, it seems strange to me how everyone was so complacent after being rescued. Obviously, they are hiding the truth, but there doesn’t seem to be any urgency with respect to the island – at least not until weird things start happening (Jack seeing his father, etc.) At Hurley’s party everyone just seemed to be happy with moving on and treating the island adventure as a done deal….

  270. wally p says:

    [quote comment="222118"][quote comment="222117"]Ben cant die…Keemey was ripped when that gun of his clicked (yet again) awesome![/quote]

    Keamy didnt try to shoot Ben, he just gun butted him to knock him out…[/quote]

    are you sure he didn’t pull the trigger first? At first I thought he didn’t, but then I thought that might have been funny if he had pulled the trigger and the gun didn’t go off again, which would be like the third time it happened, and he doesn’t get why. But this time he just says whatever and knocks Ben out.

  271. RGS says:

    I agree with the thought that Sun blames Jack for Jin’s death. Her confidence in Jack had eroded and was going to go to New Otherton until Juliette flapped her lips. I don’t think Jin dies on the freightor, or Michael, because I think Mike’s in that C.

    I think not knowing what happened to Claire and realizing it’s his sister messes with him, as part of that whole island mojo.

    I love seeing Hurley trying to book off…like when he bolted from the car…hilarious.

    So probably when Locke goes down into the Orchid station, he will watch the Orchid Orientation video (was that extra footage, or will it be involved with the show?)

  272. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="222167"]I agree with the thought that Sun blames Jack for Jin’s death. Her confidence in Jack had eroded and was going to go to New Otherton until Juliette flapped her lips. I don’t think Jin dies on the freightor, or Michael, because I think Mike’s in that C.

    I think not knowing what happened to Claire and realizing it’s his sister messes with him, as part of that whole island mojo.

    I love seeing Hurley trying to book off…like when he bolted from the car…hilarious.

    So probably when Locke goes down into the Orchid station, he will watch the Orchid Orientation video (was that extra footage, or will it be involved with the show?)[/quote]
    I stated the same opinions as you somewhere on this blog about Jack/Sun and Jack/Claire. What if when Locke goes down to the Orchid, Marvin Candle or Hallowax is actually there? or has he been confirmed dead?

  273. Keys says:

    We have seen numerous references to the Wizard of Oz. (i.e. Henry Gale, the balloon, etc.). The episode was titled “There’s No Place Like Home”. How does this sound?…

    Kate – Dorothy
    Aaron – Toto
    Jack – Scarecrow
    Hurley – Cowardly Lion
    Sayid – Tin Man
    Sun – Glenda The Good Witch?

  274. wally p says:

    [quote comment="222165"][quote comment="222156"][quote comment="222152"]
    It seems like the O6 stayed close right after they were rescued – going to Hurley’s birthday party, all showing up at Jack’s father’s funeral. What could have happened to split them up?[/quote]
    We can start with Charlie coming to see Hugo. Hugo won’t take his meds so Jack thinks he might squak. Then Jack sees his dad, he turns to drugs and alchol….it’s the island….they are changing fate…Aaron is either with the wrong folks or at the wrong place or both…it’s the island splitting them up….[/quote]

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Well, it seems like Hurley took off from his birthday party after seeing the speedometer in the car with his father – I’m guessing that was the impetus for him landing in the psychiatric facility.

    Actually, it seems strange to me how everyone was so complacent after being rescued. Obviously, they are hiding the truth, but there doesn’t seem to be any urgency with respect to the island – at least not until weird things start happening (Jack seeing his father, etc.) At Hurley’s party everyone just seemed to be happy with moving on and treating the island adventure as a done deal….[/quote]

    But Hurley goes to Korea, and when he’s there the first thing he does is make sure he was the only one… whats up with that?

    I think that they are just trying to be normal at Hurleys party. How else do you act at a party? but It’s different for everyone. Even in the FF from last season, Kate seemed perfectly happy to stay in California, and never think about going back to the island again. I think because she has been convinced of her purpose.

    Whos to say this whole 06 thing isn’t just some vivid glimpse of the future, that could be, say, part right, and part not right. (claire gets on helicopter…)

  275. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="222165"]
    Well, it seems like Hurley took off from his birthday party after seeing the speedometer in the car with his father – I’m guessing that was the impetus for him landing in the psychiatric facility.
    [/quote]
    Unless I’m mistaken, Hugo settles down from the numbers long enough to drive the car to the store…seeing Charlie and the cop telling him he can go the looney bin ring a bell?

  276. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="222170"]
    Whos to say this whole 06 thing isn’t just some vivid glimpse of the future, that could be, say, part right, and part not right. (claire gets on helicopter…)[/quote]
    The infamous “whoosh” sounds implied the island was the FB last night and off the island was present time i believe.

  277. Keys says:

    Let’s assume the device on Keamy’s arm is a pulse monitor that will blow up the C4 on the ship if he dies. Consider the time differential between real world time and island time. There was a 34(?) minute time difference. So if Keamy was killed, would the freighter blow up 34 minutes before he dies? Or would it blow up 34 minutes after he dies, giving them time to contact the freighter tots (I still love that one) and tell them to get off fast?

  278. Rita says:

    [quote comment="222112"][quote comment="222105"][quote comment="222101"][quote comment="222098"]Here’s a thought about the secondary protocol.

    Tell me if I’m stepping on toes.

    I think some folks (me included) have assumed that the secondary protocol (SP) was for Keamy to do if the original attack didn’t work. I now think it is what DHARMA folks were supposed to do if attacked. Sort of like turning the key was a last resort. So Keamy was instructed to read what Ben would do and try to beat him to the punch? What’s got me confused is, if the SP was a DHARMA manual why doesn’t Keamy know that the “real” Orchid is down a hidden elevator? He’s wondering around the green house waiting for Ben…[/quote]
    I agree. The second protocol was developed by Dharma around 15 years ago. Maybe after the “incident” or when Danielle’s team reached the island. Good point, wouldn’t Keamy know the entrance ways and have them monitored.[/quote]
    ***********************
    Ben told Locke how to get to the elevator, involving something about looking under a plant, etc. Possibly Keamy doesn’t know ALL THAT about the Orchid, just where and what it is. He had to wait for Ben. My guess is that they wanted to follow Ben to the “real” Orchid, but Ben came out with his hands up, so they had no choice but to intercept him there, on Ben’s own terms. Lets Locke sneak in to the elevator. Interesting that Keamy was entrusted with the mission, but not with everything: He wasn’t suppose to look at the “SP” unless it got desperate, and even then, only with the captain (with the second key). Hmmmmmmmm[/quote]
    +++++++++++++++
    I suppose, I would think that the SP written by DHARMA would be more specific if it is for a desperate measure….no? Why would desperate folks holding a SP have to guess where the real Orchid is?[/quote]
    **************************
    Because they would already know. They may not have needed to be as specific in the manual as “look under the plant…..” because they all worked there, and would already know.

  279. Hammer says:

    Okay, I hear you all about Sun being in Korea…but remember me when she’s pissed at Jack.

  280. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="222171"][quote comment="222165"]
    Well, it seems like Hurley took off from his birthday party after seeing the speedometer in the car with his father – I’m guessing that was the impetus for him landing in the psychiatric facility.
    [/quote]
    Unless I’m mistaken, Hugo settles down from the numbers long enough to drive the car to the store…seeing Charlie and the cop telling him he can go the looney bin ring a bell?[/quote]
    ————–
    “The Beginning of the END”

  281. Lins says:

    But why would Sun want to hold a controlling interest in Paik if her dad and Jack were responsible for Jin’s death…her dad I can understand, but in that context, Jack doesn’t make sense to me.

  282. wally p says:

    [quote comment="222172"][quote comment="222170"]
    Whos to say this whole 06 thing isn’t just some vivid glimpse of the future, that could be, say, part right, and part not right. (claire gets on helicopter…)[/quote]
    The infamous “whoosh” sounds implied the island was the FB last night and off the island was present time i believe.[/quote]

    Are there different whoosh sounds? I gotta pay attention to things like that. FB whoosh’s are like a Whooo-ooossh and back to real time is more of a shorter one tone whoosh. I always hear some sound, either going in or out. But, I was just saying for sake anyway… I’m pretty stuck to the 06 events being real events.

  283. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="222174"][quote comment="222112"][quote comment="222105"][quote comment="222101"][quote comment="222098"]Here’s a thought about the secondary protocol.

    Tell me if I’m stepping on toes.

    I think some folks (me included) have assumed that the secondary protocol (SP) was for Keamy to do if the original attack didn’t work. I now think it is what DHARMA folks were supposed to do if attacked. Sort of like turning the key was a last resort. So Keamy was instructed to read what Ben would do and try to beat him to the punch? What’s got me confused is, if the SP was a DHARMA manual why doesn’t Keamy know that the “real” Orchid is down a hidden elevator? He’s wondering around the green house waiting for Ben…[/quote]
    I agree. The second protocol was developed by Dharma around 15 years ago. Maybe after the “incident” or when Danielle’s team reached the island. Good point, wouldn’t Keamy know the entrance ways and have them monitored.[/quote]
    ***********************
    Ben told Locke how to get to the elevator, involving something about looking under a plant, etc. Possibly Keamy doesn’t know ALL THAT about the Orchid, just where and what it is. He had to wait for Ben. My guess is that they wanted to follow Ben to the “real” Orchid, but Ben came out with his hands up, so they had no choice but to intercept him there, on Ben’s own terms. Lets Locke sneak in to the elevator. Interesting that Keamy was entrusted with the mission, but not with everything: He wasn’t suppose to look at the “SP” unless it got desperate, and even then, only with the captain (with the second key). Hmmmmmmmm[/quote]
    +++++++++++++++
    I suppose, I would think that the SP written by DHARMA would be more specific if it is for a desperate measure….no? Why would desperate folks holding a SP have to guess where the real Orchid is?[/quote]
    **************************
    Because they would already know. They may not have needed to be as specific in the manual as “look under the plant…..” because they all worked there, and would already know.[/quote]
    I guess it’s up for interpretation who “already nows”. Not all DHARMA folks worked in every station. In fact, I would say that only the Orchid workers even knew that it wasn’t a botanical reseach center. So a book about SP should be specific so that the person using it would know exactly how to save the island.

  284. Bailey Loves Lost says:

    [quote comment="222173"]Let’s assume the device on Keamy’s arm is a pulse monitor that will blow up the C4 on the ship if he dies. Consider the time differential between real world time and island time. There was a 34(?) minute time difference. So if Keamy was killed, would the freighter blow up 34 minutes before he dies? Or would it blow up 34 minutes after he dies, giving them time to contact the freighter tots (I still love that one) and tell them to get off fast?[/quote]
    *****
    I believe the freighter would blow up 34 minutes AFTER Keamy’s pulse stopped. Because the doctor washed up on shore BEFORE he was actually killed.

  285. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="222174"]
    Because they would already know. They may not have needed to be as specific in the manual as “look under the plant…..” because they all worked there, and would already know.[/quote]
    I dont think everyone in the DI would have known. Only the highest level members would have had the very specifics if an event unfolded where they had to go to the SP. The lower level members would have looked to the few with the details for answers on what to do.

  286. Bruno says:

    The bit about Jin buying a controlling stake in her father’s business needs explaining. I am nor satisfied with this. It just can’t be done unless this is a much smaller company we imagined.

    In practice, you can’t take control of a company without the majority owner knowing about it. Otherwise ownership and strategic directions at companies would switch back and forth according to who takes a whim of owning it.

    (Whether the settlement was paid in dollars or Korean currency – as someone mentionned – is irrelevant.)

    To take control of a company, you need to pay a lot, hire bankers, lawyers, you need to let the SEC (or its Korean equivalent) know, you need to get your people elected on the board.

    POSSIBLE EXPLANATION:
    1. It is a smaller company than we thought
    2. the explanation resides in the two underlings meeting with her father. Maybe that is all the creators intend to give us for an explanation: an “error” was made. After all this is somewhat secondary to the storyline.
    3. Jin now has access to “powers” that she did not have before, she can now control money flows, time, people in a similar way as Ben was doing

  287. Jemmy says:

    [quote comment="222138"][quote comment="222111"][quote comment="222002"][quote comment="221943"]ok, one thing that really bothered me: do any of the people involved in planning the cover story really think people are going to believe aaron was only 5 weeks old during the press conference?

    I mean come on…. i know they had to make stuff up to make their ruse believable, but trying to convince anyone that aaron was that young there was ridiculous!![/quote]

    I agree that Aaron did NOT look five weeks old. At first, I figured it was more about CASTING a baby, than their lie, but I suspect it is partly both.

    They crashed on September 22, 2004. 108 days later, when they were “rescued” would be about January 8, 2005. Claire gave birth to Aaron around November 1st. That would make Aaron about nine weeks old. That baby looked older than nine weeks!

    But if according to the Oceanic Conspiracy, Kate was “five months pregnant” at the time of the crash, that would put her as “full term” sometime in January. If, according to the Oceanic Conspiracy, Aaron was five weeks old, he would have been born December 4, so Aaron would have been at least a month premature, and therefore should have been especially SMALL for five weeks!

    I think that the press is being asked to accept this story and are willing to wait to get details and confirmation. In reality, we’ve seen an entire country suspend belief in the truth because someone official asked them to, so why not the media at that press conference?

    We also have the time shift thing that has not been mentioned. How will THAT play into the rescue story?

    : ) P[/quote]
    _____________________________
    __________________________________

    Babies have to be AT LEAST three months old before they can be used in movies. Kids below that age are not allowed per film industry rules, so no matter what, Aaron would have looked older. Though they could have used a smaller baby.[/quote]

    Ok just a note that the age of Aaron, JMO, is being over analyzed. On Gossip Girls, those girls look 25, not 17. It’s TV people ![/quote]

  288. lost4ever says:

    Sorry Bruno. Im done with the whole Sun money controversy. A number of people explained yesterday different theories on how Sun could have done it and I am satisfied with that as I know nothing about corporate takeovers. There comments can be found above between 75 and 132.

  289. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="222185"]Sorry Bruno. Im done with the whole Sun money controversy. A number of people explained yesterday different theories on how Sun could have done it and I am satisfied with that as I know nothing about corporate takeovers. There comments can be found above between 75 and 132.[/quote]
    Plus add the possibility of Hurley’s 150 million and who knows…

  290. Tim says:

    I agree that the analyzing of the baby playing Aaron is overdone.
    Are you going to have 10 different babies playing Aaron when he is a newborn, when he is 2 weeks old, when he is 2 months old, when he is 5 months old, when he is 10 months old etc.?
    And they all have to look alike or you guys will jump all over it.

  291. Keys says:

    [quote comment="222181"][quote comment="222173"]Let’s assume the device on Keamy’s arm is a pulse monitor that will blow up the C4 on the ship if he dies. Consider the time differential between real world time and island time. There was a 34(?) minute time difference. So if Keamy was killed, would the freighter blow up 34 minutes before he dies? Or would it blow up 34 minutes after he dies, giving them time to contact the freighter tots (I still love that one) and tell them to get off fast?[/quote]
    *****
    I believe the freighter would blow up 34 minutes AFTER Keamy’s pulse stopped. Because the doctor washed up on shore BEFORE he was actually killed.[/quote]
    =========================================
    The thinking more on that, time differential may go back and forth. Cause Sayid showed up long after the doctor washed ashore, but left the boat before he was killed. And he had a motorboat to get him to the island. The doctor just had the tide.

    Then again, the conversations between boat and island happen in “real time”. So maybe electronic signals go instantly. This does make it easier for the writers to manipulate event timings to their advantage and explain away mistakes in the timeline.

  292. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="222177"]But why would Sun want to hold a controlling interest in Paik if her dad and Jack were responsible for Jin’s death…her dad I can understand, but in that context, Jack doesn’t make sense to me.[/quote]
    Jack keeps making mistakes in his obsession with trying to save everyone. Add to that what seemed like obvious tension between Jack and Sun at the press conf. The camera kept showing Jack and Sun, Jack checking her demeanor, Sun shoot looks at Jack and in his direction…..I think something is going to happen that she blames Jack for….gut feeling.

  293. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="222183"]The bit about Jin buying a controlling stake in her father’s business needs explaining. I am nor satisfied with this. It just can’t be done unless this is a much smaller company we imagined.

    In practice, you can’t take control of a company without the majority owner knowing about it. Otherwise ownership and strategic directions at companies would switch back and forth according to who takes a whim of owning it.

    (Whether the settlement was paid in dollars or Korean currency – as someone mentionned – is irrelevant.)

    To take control of a company, you need to pay a lot, hire bankers, lawyers, you need to let the SEC (or its Korean equivalent) know, you need to get your people elected on the board.

    POSSIBLE EXPLANATION:
    1. It is a smaller company than we thought
    2. the explanation resides in the two underlings meeting with her father. Maybe that is all the creators intend to give us for an explanation: an “error” was made. After all this is somewhat secondary to the storyline.
    3. Jin now has access to “powers” that she did not have before, she can now control money flows, time, people in a similar way as Ben was doing[/quote]
    4. It’s TV and drama is needed.

  294. Tim says:

    [quote comment="222189"][quote comment="222177"]But why would Sun want to hold a controlling interest in Paik if her dad and Jack were responsible for Jin’s death…her dad I can understand, but in that context, Jack doesn’t make sense to me.[/quote]
    Jack keeps making mistakes in his obsession with trying to save everyone. Add to that what seemed like obvious tension between Jack and Sun at the press conf. The camera kept showing Jack and Sun, Jack checking her demeanor, Sun shoot looks at Jack and in his direction…..I think something is going to happen that she blames Jack for….gut feeling.[/quote]

    I think it is just that he is seen as the leader and the instructions were to not answer if they were stumped as to what to answer.
    She wasn’t sure how to answer but eventually answered correctly.

  295. Lins says:

    [quote comment="222193"][quote comment="222189"][quote comment="222177"]But why would Sun want to hold a controlling interest in Paik if her dad and Jack were responsible for Jin’s death…her dad I can understand, but in that context, Jack doesn’t make sense to me.[/quote]
    Jack keeps making mistakes in his obsession with trying to save everyone. Add to that what seemed like obvious tension between Jack and Sun at the press conf. The camera kept showing Jack and Sun, Jack checking her demeanor, Sun shoot looks at Jack and in his direction…..I think something is going to happen that she blames Jack for….gut feeling.[/quote]

    I think it is just that he is seen as the leader and the instructions were to not answer if they were stumped as to what to answer.
    She wasn’t sure how to answer but eventually answered correctly.[/quote]

    ************************
    I just don’t see how holding a controlling interest in her father’s company would hurt Jack…unless she has some evil plan for him too :)

  296. Rita says:

    [quote comment="222182"][quote comment="222174"]
    Because they would already know. They may not have needed to be as specific in the manual as “look under the plant…..” because they all worked there, and would already know.[/quote]
    I dont think everyone in the DI would have known. Only the highest level members would have had the very specifics if an event unfolded where they had to go to the SP. The lower level members would have looked to the few with the details for answers on what to do.[/quote]
    ******************************
    Well, the people who would know what to do with the protocol, how to operate whatever needs to be operated, would already know. Not lower level people, but the ones who would be needed to perform whatever task lies ahead.

  297. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="222195"][quote comment="222193"][quote comment="222189"][quote comment="222177"]But why would Sun want to hold a controlling interest in Paik if her dad and Jack were responsible for Jin’s death…her dad I can understand, but in that context, Jack doesn’t make sense to me.[/quote]
    Jack keeps making mistakes in his obsession with trying to save everyone. Add to that what seemed like obvious tension between Jack and Sun at the press conf. The camera kept showing Jack and Sun, Jack checking her demeanor, Sun shoot looks at Jack and in his direction…..I think something is going to happen that she blames Jack for….gut feeling.[/quote]

    I think it is just that he is seen as the leader and the instructions were to not answer if they were stumped as to what to answer.
    She wasn’t sure how to answer but eventually answered correctly.[/quote]

    ************************
    I just don’t see how holding a controlling interest in her father’s company would hurt Jack…unless she has some evil plan for him too :)[/quote]
    +++++++++++++++
    Me neither, I’m not sure why you have tied the “other” person that she holds responsible to the take over. She only said that so we would know that she is going to be looking for revenge on two people. The take over was to get back at dear old dad only IMO.

  298. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="222193"][quote comment="222189"][quote comment="222177"]But why would Sun want to hold a controlling interest in Paik if her dad and Jack were responsible for Jin’s death…her dad I can understand, but in that context, Jack doesn’t make sense to me.[/quote]
    Jack keeps making mistakes in his obsession with trying to save everyone. Add to that what seemed like obvious tension between Jack and Sun at the press conf. The camera kept showing Jack and Sun, Jack checking her demeanor, Sun shoot looks at Jack and in his direction…..I think something is going to happen that she blames Jack for….gut feeling.[/quote]

    I think it is just that he is seen as the leader and the instructions were to not answer if they were stumped as to what to answer.
    She wasn’t sure how to answer but eventually answered correctly.[/quote]
    Maybe….it’s just my take on the scene.

  299. Tim says:

    But most importantly, has the actress who plays Sun had a boob job or is it just a magic bra??

  300. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="222136"][quote comment="222130"]With all of the talk of the O6 getting off the Island, there doesn’t seem to be any discussion on how they decided WHO got to leave? Maybe it wasn’t the Lostie’s decision as to who got to leave. Maybe Ben decided who left; he sent people he could trust would not give away any info on the island. We know Sayid is working for him so he would definitely sent him. The more I write this the more I am convincing myself that they were picked by Ben. As was mentioned earlier, Jack would NOT want to leave people behind and go home himself so possibly he was forced to leave the island.[/quote]
    I don’t think any of them were allowed to leave. It seems to me that the O6 more or less “escaped”. Sayid didn’t work for Ben until after his wife gets killed. I don’t think Ben “sent” anyone off the island. Again, I think they are off the island when it gets “moved” and ended up being rescued. Hence the big lie. Now the story turns to how and why the O6 have to go back and find the island.[/quote]
    Didn’t Jack say Sawyer made a choice and he chose to stay? He also told Kate “I saved you”. It’s gonna be very interesting to see how the rescue plays out.

  301. Hammer says:

    Since the horse is just about dead, I will only say one more thing about SP then you can have the last word. The SP is to save the island therefore the SP SHOULD be written in detail to ensure that the island is saved.

    Thanks for a spirited debate!

  302. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="222200"]But most importantly, has the actress who plays Sun had a boob job or is it just a magic bra??[/quote]
    She’s pregnant.

  303. Hammer says:

    Also, I’m out of points on Sun holding Jack accountable too. So last word is yours.

    Again, thanks for the spirited debate.

  304. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="222159"]I mentioned in last week’s thread that I think that the appendicitis was as much about moving the plot along as it was the island being displeased with Jack. I think that it is in Jack’s character to make sure EVERYONE got off the island before he did…

    He was ready to take the submarine himself and send an expedition back.[/quote]

    °°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°

    True, but in that case, there was no one else to take with him… he had ONCE chance to go on the sub and wasn’t going to risk that by negotiating to get more people on it.

    : ) P

  305. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="222202"]
    Didn’t Jack say Sawyer made a choice and he chose to stay? He also told Kate “I saved you”. It’s gonna be very interesting to see how the rescue plays out.[/quote]
    Yes, there are several characters that made it clear they don’t want to leave the island. So, I don’t think they were “chosen” per se. Circumstances are what chose them IMO.

  306. Rita says:

    [quote comment="222202"][quote comment="222136"][quote comment="222130"] [/quote]
    …I think they are off the island when it gets “moved” and ended up being rescued. Hence the big lie. Now the story turns to how and why the O6 have to go back and find the island.[/quote]
    [/quote]
    *********************************
    Sooner or later, the “big lie” will start to unravel. Some doctor will examine Kate and notice that she has never had a baby. Or blood tests will reveal that Aaron is no relation to her. Jack will have to explain how he got an emergency appendectomy on the deserted island. Things will be noticed and questions will be asked. That’s when and why they will have to go back. They won’t be able to stay away even if they want to.

  307. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="222203"]Since the horse is just about dead, I will only say one more thing about SP then you can have the last word. The SP is to save the island therefore the SP SHOULD be written in detail to ensure that the island is saved.

    Thanks for a spirited debate![/quote]
    Well put.
    Come on Hammer, we can top MEET KEBIN JOHNSON at this pace by Monday. 1000 comments at my last check.

  308. Hammer says:

    Okay, gotta go my boy’s ballgame. Check in later. Today was fun, and we got some good input from some newbies!

  309. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="222167"]So probably when Locke goes down into the Orchid station, he will watch the Orchid Orientation video (was that extra footage, or will it be involved with the show?)[/quote]

    I believe in a podcast, D&C said that the Orchid video would come into play, but I don’t remember if it is during this season. If if is, we don’t have much longer to find out!

    : ) P

  310. Petey says:

    Okay don’t we have to say that the (O6) is saved by Whitmore. At the press conference there is an elaborate story with what happened with the survivors. I don’t see Tubs, I mean Sayid, and Jack sitting there with a map saying will go to this island and then this one. I think were going to see Jake make a terrible deal with Whitmore after Whitmore kills off two regulars like, Jin, or Sawyer. That’s why the rest of the survivors are sort of pissed at Jake and not his best bud anymore. I can see a gun to Sawyers head, and Sawyer tells Kate to do that little thing for him that pisses Jake off in the future. This could also be the point where Hurley and Jack officially stop there jock/fat kid friendship. Whitmore is the only person who has tried to hide the island with the fake plane crash; so it would stand to reason he wouldn’t want any loose lips about the fact it exists. Also really quick Blackrock / four toe statue theory. Has the island moved before? When the island moves again will we see the other half of this statue? Maybe the island moved and the Black Rock ended up underneath it?

  311. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="222208"]
    Sooner or later, the “big lie” will start to unravel. Some doctor will examine Kate and notice that she has never had a baby. Or blood tests will reveal that Aaron is no relation to her. Jack will have to explain how he got an emergency appendectomy on the deserted island. Things will be noticed and questions will be asked. That’s when and why they will have to go back. They won’t be able to stay away even if they want to.[/quote]
    Excellent points. I guess that knocks Ben out of the equation of being the one behind it. As smart as Ben is, he surely would have tied up the loose ends. UNLESS, he eventually needed the lie to fall apart. No telling with him. On the surface it sounds more like a Locke and Jack lie. Locke wouldn’t do anything unless the island told him. And Jack just wants to get off the island. Details shmetails.

  312. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="222214"][quote comment="222167"]So probably when Locke goes down into the Orchid station, he will watch the Orchid Orientation video (was that extra footage, or will it be involved with the show?)[/quote]

    I believe in a podcast, D&C said that the Orchid video would come into play, but I don’t remember if it is during this season. If if is, we don’t have much longer to find out!

    : ) P[/quote]
    —————-
    I think they also stated that we will have another purple sky event and something about the four-toed statue.

  313. Kathy says:

    So I have been wondering if we are going to get Aaron flash forwards. To me it seems like they elevated his character by making him one of the Oceanic 6.

  314. Becky says:

    Wow, amazing episode. I soooooo do not like Kate raising Aaron…it’s weird and he belongs with his mother…that is what the psychic told her!!! Here are my observations:

    1. I think it’s weird the O6 socialize so much…funerals, barbecues, etc. It’s odd and almost unnatural. You can see the guilt in all of them when they are together.

    2. That reporter did not believe Kate gave birth to Aaron…he knew something was up. That baby looks way older than 5 weeks!!!

    3. I want to know who coached them in the lie of their crash and survival. Someone fed them a story.

    4. What does Jack’s Dad have to do with Jacob? What is the connection?

    5. I am so glad Claire’s mother came forward and told Jack about Claire…it kills me that that is her grandson but she didn’t even know Claire was pregnant!!!

    6. Good to see the Others…about time they came around.

    7. I love that the numbers came back to haunt Hurley…brings us back to Seasons 1 and 2…the good ol’ days of the hatch!

    8. Who put the C4 all over the radio? It’s like there is always someone who does not want anyone near that island.

    9. Who gave orders for the second protocol to “torch” the island?

    So many questions! Such a BRILLIANT show!!!!!!

  315. RGS says:

    My comment on the Seconday Protocol debate. IMO, though Keamy et al., call it the secondary protocol, that does NOT mean that is what Dharma thought of that book as, or whoever wrote the manual that Keamy is reading.

    The book/file Keamy was reading/glancing over, simply had the Orchid logo on it. That book could have all kinds of stuff written in it about The Orchid, and a general note of its importance. In that sense, Keamy understands that it is a place where Ben would go.

  316. ESB says:

    “I don’t think Jin dies. Sun didn’t act like he died, IMO, she acted like he was still there and she was sad that he couldn’t be part of the 06.[/quote]”

    First time posting but i love reading you guys…please tell me if i’m wrong but don’t we know that Jin is alive…in the episode where Sun is having her baby, isn’t he running around trying to buy a panda bear for some other expectant mother? for some reason they are split up and mybe she actually does think he’s dead but i thought it was obvious that he gets off the island…unless they were doing a flash forward AND a flash backward at the same time…?

  317. JCK says:

    [quote comment="222227"]“I don’t think Jin dies. Sun didn’t act like he died, IMO, she acted like he was still there and she was sad that he couldn’t be part of the 06.[/quote]”

    First time posting but i love reading you guys…please tell me if i’m wrong but don’t we know that Jin is alive…in the episode where Sun is having her baby, isn’t he running around trying to buy a panda bear for some other expectant mother? for some reason they are split up and mybe she actually does think he’s dead but i thought it was obvious that he gets off the island…unless they were doing a flash forward AND a flash backward at the same time…?[/quote]
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++==
    i think it was a FF and FB at the same time – a nice trick, by the way

  318. ESB says:

    [quote comment="222228"][quote comment="222227"]“I don’t think Jin dies. Sun didn’t act like he died, IMO, she acted like he was still there and she was sad that he couldn’t be part of the 06.[/quote]”

    First time posting but i love reading you guys…please tell me if i’m wrong but don’t we know that Jin is alive…in the episode where Sun is having her baby, isn’t he running around trying to buy a panda bear for some other expectant mother? for some reason they are split up and mybe she actually does think he’s dead but i thought it was obvious that he gets off the island…unless they were doing a flash forward AND a flash backward at the same time…?[/quote]
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++==
    i think it was a FF and FB at the same time – a nice trick, by the way[/quote]

    have they ever done that before? if not, seems a little strange…but then again that episode was pretty strange period…;)

  319. Rita says:

    [quote comment="222229"][quote comment="222228"][quote comment="222227"]“I don’t think Jin dies. Sun didn’t act like he died, IMO, she acted like he was still there and she was sad that he couldn’t be part of the 06.[/quote]”

    First time posting but i love reading you guys…please tell me if i’m wrong but don’t we know that Jin is alive…in the episode where Sun is having her baby, isn’t he running around trying to buy a panda bear for some other expectant mother? for some reason they are split up and mybe she actually does think he’s dead but i thought it was obvious that he gets off the island…unless they were doing a flash forward AND a flash backward at the same time…?[/quote]
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++==
    i think it was a FF and FB at the same time – a nice trick, by the way[/quote]

    have they ever done that before? if not, seems a little strange…but then again that episode was pretty strange period…;)[/quote]
    *************************
    I think that was the point, to keep us on our toes by doing something unexpected.

  320. Kathy says:

    Pretty sure Franks is gonna save the day and be the driving force who gets them rescued. Whatever puts the Oceanic 6 in so much shock is something totally bizarro, like seeing the island totally disappear for instance, and they have nothing to be able to say about it. If they told every one what the hell really went on there they couldn’t prove it (they would sound like crazies too), no island. If it is some how a “decision” that lets people off the island by Ben or Jacob or whoever, I think the Oceanic 6 are told some sort of lie, like they can go back or be in touch with or some how see again whoever decides to stay on the island which they later find out the truth about once they leave so they tell the lies they are telling because they think whoever is still on-island might as well be dead.

    Des effed up buy not pushing the button all that time ago now…

  321. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="222229"]
    have they ever done that before? if not, seems a little strange…but then again that episode was pretty strange period…;)[/quote]
    There was a pretty good debate here when the episode first aired. At the top of the screen there is a section called “ARCHIVES”. Click on that and you can read any posts from previous episodes.

  322. Lins says:

    [quote comment="222231"]Pretty sure Franks is gonna save the day and be the driving force who gets them rescued. [/quote]

    *******************
    I agree with that, but part of me is thinking that he ends up having to be killed or dying somehow because he realizes that Widmore really was behind the whole fake plane thing and he doesn’t agree with the lie about there being only 6 survivors. Funny though how cool he’s turned out to be since the first time we saw him Naomi was complaining about him being a drunk!

  323. ESB says:

    [quote comment="222230"][quote comment="222229"][quote comment="222228"][quote comment="222227"]“I don’t think Jin dies. Sun didn’t act like he died, IMO, she acted like he was still there and she was sad that he couldn’t be part of the 06.[/quote]”

    First time posting but i love reading you guys…please tell me if i’m wrong but don’t we know that Jin is alive…in the episode where Sun is having her baby, isn’t he running around trying to buy a panda bear for some other expectant mother? for some reason they are split up and mybe she actually does think he’s dead but i thought it was obvious that he gets off the island…unless they were doing a flash forward AND a flash backward at the same time…?[/quote]
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++==
    i think it was a FF and FB at the same time – a nice trick, by the way[/quote]

    have they ever done that before? if not, seems a little strange…but then again that episode was pretty strange period…;)[/quote]
    *************************
    I think that was the point, to keep us on our toes by doing something unexpected.[/quote]

    yeah, the ABC Lost site says it was a FF and FB at the same time in the episode re-cap so i guess that answers my question…but thanks for the replies…CANNOT WAIT for the season finale…and then I CANNOT WAIT until it comes out for sale on dvd and i can watch it all again…;)

    peace!

  324. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="222232"]“ARCHIVES”. [/quote]
    “EPISODES” also.

  325. ESB says:

    i think i was seeing conspiracy weirdness in that episode when maybe there wasn’t any…i was thinking at the time that Jin gets off the island but isn’t considered one of the O6 for some reason and has had to start (or pretend) to start a new/different life for some reason…reading it now, it doesn’t make much sense…
    anyways, as for the current episode, i would say there is good reason to believe that based on the way it was shot and the way Sun looks back that that will be the last time they see each other (for a while at least)…

  326. ANON2 says:

    No one has mentioned the telescoping baton yet.

  327. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="222231"] If it is some how a “decision” that lets people off the island by Ben or Jacob or whoever,[/quote]
    Jack said two weeks ago that Sawyer “chose” to stay. Implying that Sawyer, alone, made that decision. I am not entirely sure if Ben or Widmore had a say in it.

  328. Lins says:

    I think that was the point, to keep us on our toes by doing something unexpected.[/quote]

    ************************
    Now is that all five toes or just four? ;)

  329. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="222241"]Now is that all five toes or just four?

    ;)[/quote]

    ROFLOL. Good one, Lins!

    : ) P

  330. ESB says:

    [quote comment="222241"]I think that was the point, to keep us on our toes by doing something unexpected.[/quote]

    ************************
    Now is that all five toes or just four?

    ;)[/quote]

    my vote is for four…;) that is one of the main things i would like explained before the show is over…too weird…;)

  331. CAG says:

    Off the wall theory with minimal evidence: Jacob is Locke, that’s why Jacob has to have Christian speak for him, if future Locke and past locke come in contact with each other … BLAMMO! (like rabbit #15)
    Yes ANON, I noticed the silly baton too, what’s up with that?

  332. MiraKS says:

    Sun not being at Hurley’s b-day party: She lives in Korea and is pregnant. Many airlines will not allow women to fly in their last trimester. Also, if her pregnancy had some complications, her doctor would not let her fly. So her absence is not really a big mistery.

    Jack and Kate: Another reason why I think they were in a relationship right after getting back, at Hurley’s party, all the way to when Jack found out Aaron was his nephew,… is that during the trial Jack was asked about his previous romantic relationship with Kate. I believe this was in refence to their relationship AFTER they got back, because if it was in reference to their relationship on the island they could have a. denied it b. it would mean they were talking about what had happened on the island (unlikely) c. someone else had spilled the beans to the National Inquirer.

  333. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="222239"]No one has mentioned the telescoping baton yet.[/quote]
    We didn’t see him use it as a telescope. I believe it is the same weapon that he used in the desert. It looked like he had it behind his back. Here are the 2 screencaps. Note the wardrobe change. Shirt with a collar. Shirt without.

  334. sector7 says:

    Ahhh, Friday afternoon and 300 posts to read. Man, this ginger ale and rum is good….

    That’s some party they got going on at the boat now. I’m guessin’ Mike feels like someone who brought a butter knife to gun fight. So how come no one here has translated what Jin said to Sun?

  335. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="222254"]Sun not being at Hurley’s b-day party: She lives in Korea and is pregnant. Many airlines will not allow women to fly in their last trimester. Also, if her pregnancy had some complications, her doctor would not let her fly. So her absence is not really a big mistery.
    [/quote]
    I agree with you that her not being there is not a big deal, but I disagree about her not being able to fly, at least in the mythology of the show.
    Claire.

  336. sector7 says:

    Can’t you see Ben and Martin in a throw down to the death? Ben charges Martin with a blood-shot, bugged-out, glazed look in his eye, attacking with his teeth like some rabid pit bull. All while in slow motion… Both yelling “aaaarggggghhhhh”,and “noooooooooooo”.

    Ok I guess I’ll assign myself to Dan note deciphering duty. I’ll try to get back within a couple of weeks with my findings.

  337. ANON2 says:

    [quote comment="222239"]
    No one has mentioned the telescoping baton yet.
    [/quote]
    [quote comment="222251"]
    Yes ANON, I noticed the silly baton too, what’s up with that?
    [/quote]
    If his FF Ben had the baton in Tunisia to beat up the two horsemen and at Widmore’s apartment when he talked his way past the doorman. He was wearing Dr. Halliwax’s parka, when he showed-up in Tunisia, not knowing which D/M/Y it was. He handed the baton to Locke as he was going to confront Keamy. I assume he ‘travelled’ thru the Orchid, after a fight with whoever, maybe Team Keamy. At some point, Locke has to get the baton back to Ben before he departs. It was ODD that they made such a point of Ben handing the weapon to Locke, when we have not seen it before on the island, and now, just yards from the Orchid.

  338. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="222259"]Ahhh, Friday afternoon and 300 posts to read. Man, this ginger ale and rum is good….

    That’s some party they got going on at the boat now. I’m guessin’ Mike feels like someone who brought a butter knife to gun fight. So how come no one here has translated what Jin said to Sun?[/quote]
    He said “I’m sure glad they called the other Asain-looking guy Donger and Ghengis.”

  339. Dub8er_e says:

    OK. Great episode by the way. Cant wait for the other 2 hours. Here is my take on the Jack and Sun issue. I think she is definatly gonna blame one of the returning six as the other half of Jin death. Here how it will go down. Keamy is gonna have someone Jack cares about as a hostage so Jack is gonna have to make the decision to kill Keamy and destroy the freighter or let the person he cares about die by Keamy’s hands. I think he will also already have the info about the C4 on the freaighter and thats why Sun will get off the freighter before it blows up becasue she has seen the explosives. so he is gonna make an educated decision when he kills Keamy. It MAY not be Jack that has to make this decision but as I see it he is the most likely candidate right now. Any thoughts?

  340. Tasha says:

    OK. Just a couple of thoughts after FINALLY catching up with all the comments.

    1. Someone had mentioned that they were told to lie…well a lot of someones. Why would they go along with it? To help their fellow islanders? What difference would that make if the island gets moved? I doubt they are going to go on some world wide mission to find it considering all the crazy stuff they saw there. It’s like…what if I saw a UFO right now? Nobody would believe me anyway. Even if Whidmore were to find it, he already knows its SOMEWHERE and it moved. He would just keep looking for it.

    2. Maybe they are fearing their own lives. Could this be why Nadia was killed? Did she know something she wasn’t supposed to?

    3. I also do not believe Sun acted like a new pregnant widow. I would be crying my eyes out on that plane. Even during the conference..you would think she would still be crying or start crying when they asked her about her husband.

    4. I do not think she is mad at jack about anything. I am pretty sure she is angry at whoever caused his death whether it’s Keamie’s explosive or Whidmore for wanting to torch the island. I even thought she was mad at herself.

    5. Where is everyone getting the idea that Hurley would use his lottery money to help Sun? Do you think he has some problem with HER? He thinks his money is evil and wants nothing to do with it…IMO. Maybe everyone who says that is right, but I get the impression he wants nothing to do with that money.

    6. I think Jack and Kate were dating and that he found out about Aaron…couldn’t look at him anymore, and then “changes his mind.”

    7. Lastly, I tried so hard to figure this out. The fact the baby looks older doesn’t bother me because that baby has looked way older for a long time now. What bothers me is why they are lying about his age. Maybe because if she was too far along, it would have been noticed she wasn’t prego with the Marshal and she couldn’t get away with lying. I am not sure why the trial for her was postponed for so long unless she posted bail and wasn’t allowed to leave the county. I also had thought that if the baby was 5 weeks old and she claimed she was breastfeeding him then maybe it had something to do with weaning. I tried to find info on California laws on women being convicted or going to trial with a newborn…didn’t find anything…so guess that can’t be it. Maybe dealing with island time?

    I think that’s it. I swear I couldn’t keep up with the comments…I have been catching up for hours!

  341. Jaru says:

    [quote comment="222269"][quote comment="222259"]Ahhh, Friday afternoon and 300 posts to read. Man, this ginger ale and rum is good….

    That’s some party they got going on at the boat now. I’m guessin’ Mike feels like someone who brought a butter knife to gun fight. So how come no one here has translated what Jin said to Sun?[/quote]

    He said get on the boat the next time it comes and go back to the island

  342. JamieGirl says:

    There is a really good timeline of Pre-Crash, Post-Crash and Post-Island on Wikipedia. We could all use the refresher http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Timeline

  343. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="222269"][quote comment="222259"]Ahhh, Friday afternoon and 300 posts to read. Man, this ginger ale and rum is good….

    That’s some party they got going on at the boat now. I’m guessin’ Mike feels like someone who brought a butter knife to gun fight. So how come no one here has translated what Jin said to Sun?[/quote]
    He said “I’m sure glad they called the other Asain-looking guy Donger and Ghengis.”[/quote]
    Ouch…my sides…my cheeks….can’t stop laughing….

  344. Cindy says:

    [quote comment="221872"][quote comment="221863"]Can’t find a good anagram from Manukangga…anyone?[/quote]

    The closest thing I came up with was something GUNMAN.[/quote]

    a magna gunk? a munk gang?

  345. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="222316"]There is a really good timeline of Pre-Crash, Post-Crash and Post-Island on Wikipedia. We could all use the refresher http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Timeline%5B/quote%5D
    I look at that alot although it is not “canon”, it is still good source. I also get the episode transcripts from there and, of course, the whisper transcripts.

  346. Cindy says:

    [quote comment="222275"]OK. Great episode by the way. Cant wait for the other 2 hours. Here is my take on the Jack and Sun issue. I think she is definatly gonna blame one of the returning six as the other half of Jin death. Here how it will go down. Keamy is gonna have someone Jack cares about as a hostage so Jack is gonna have to make the decision to kill Keamy and destroy the freighter or let the person he cares about die by Keamy’s hands. I think he will also already have the info about the C4 on the freaighter and thats why Sun will get off the freighter before it blows up becasue she has seen the explosives. so he is gonna make an educated decision when he kills Keamy. It MAY not be Jack that has to make this decision but as I see it he is the most likely candidate right now. Any thoughts?[/quote]

    she didn’t seem mad at him on the coast guard flight… i thought it would more likely be michael, widmore or ben

  347. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="222304"]
    He said get on the boat the next time it comes and go back to the island[/quote]
    Awesome Jaru. TY. Do you speak Korean?

  348. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="222322"][quote comment="222316"]There is a really good timeline of Pre-Crash, Post-Crash and Post-Island on Wikipedia. We could all use the refresher http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Timeline%5B/quote%5D
    I look at that alot although it is not “canon”, it is still good source. I also get the episode transcripts from there and, of course, the whisper transcripts.[/quote]
    ++++++++++
    Speaking of whispers, after I peeled my ears of the tv speakers in excitment trying to hear the whispers that Hugo heard, I realized how funny he was. Walking towards the whispers, “I can’t believe I’m doing this.” He was going to attack the island whisperers with Jesus…LOL.

  349. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="222304"][quote comment="222269"][quote comment="222259"]Ahhh, Friday afternoon and 300 posts to read. Man, this ginger ale and rum is good….

    That’s some party they got going on at the boat now. I’m guessin’ Mike feels like someone who brought a butter knife to gun fight. So how come no one here has translated what Jin said to Sun?[/quote]

    He said get on the boat the next time it comes and go back to the island[/quote]
    ++++++++++++
    That could revive the debate….instead of being pissed at Jack, she might be pissed at Sayid for bringing them to a boat loaded with C4 that kills Jin? Just throwing a bone…I still think it’s Jack.

  350. Rita says:

    [quote comment="222281"]
    1. …. It’s like…what if I saw a UFO right now? Nobody would believe me anyway. Even if Whidmore were to find it, he already knows its SOMEWHERE and it moved. He would just keep looking for it.

    3. I also do not believe Sun acted like a new pregnant widow. I would be crying my eyes out on that plane. Even during the conference..you would think she would still be crying or start crying when they asked her about her husband.
    [/quote]
    *********************************

    Well, if you said you saw a UFO, I wouldn’t likely believe you, but if you and FIVE OTHER PEOPLE who were SUPPOSE TO BE DEAD AND THEN WEREN’T all said you were on an island with mysterious powers, (but don’t look for it because it moved), I might actually think twice about it.

    As for Sun: What you said got me thinking. She didn’t act like a new pregnant widow (even though she technically is/might be) because she is suppose to be several months out from Jin’s death. That actually explains some of what I see as conflict in her at the press conference. To her, Jin JUST DIED (presumably), but she is SUPPOSE to act like he died several months ago and she has had survival on her mind, and has had some time to process and deal with her grief. Pretty hard to pull off, I would imagine.

  351. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="222343"]
    That could revive the debate….instead of being pissed at Jack, she might be pissed at Sayid for bringing them to a boat loaded with C4 that kills Jin? Just throwing a bone…I still think it’s Jack.[/quote]
    RGS brought up a good point before that maybe it is Juliet. Sun was already packed to go meet up with Locke, until Juliet told Jin what an AWFUL wife she was. IMO, Sun was not a good person pre-island. She had the nanny fired, as a kid, and I think she might have killed her lover. So maybe Sun feels that if she would have went to find Locke, Jin would still be alive.

    SIDENOTE – I like “bones” Hammer, I visit the DAWG POUND every Sunday from Sept. – Dec. Cav’s vs. CREAMPUFFS Sunday 3:30. (Sorry Toeknee) Make sure you call Ray Allen and tell him there’s a game.

  352. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="222337"] “I can’t believe I’m doing this.” He was going to attack the island whisperers with Jesus…LOL.[/quote]
    LOL…I wonder how far JORGE actually jogged. Hurley was right, he is one of the craziest ( to the Real World ). He asked the sanest questions to Ben though, ones that some or most of us were thinking.

  353. Kathy says:

    I believe some sort of “course correcting” or input/output rule is why there are only 6 in the Ocean 6. Some sort of discussion/debate/lottery must happen and six people get to leave, so naturally it’s the most popular six on the island. I’m sure Sawyer does some sort of “I’m chosing to stay on the island” routine based on FF’s of Jack Kate convo’s. And there are probably some other self eliminators like Locke, I think Juliet dies on island and her story ends (freakin’ hope so anyways) so she isn’t even considered. They would probably give her some sort of meaningful death type scenario though.

    What is really making me spin is wondering what happens to Des.

  354. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="222357"]

    Well, if you said you saw a UFO, I wouldn’t likely believe you, but if you and FIVE OTHER PEOPLE who were SUPPOSE TO BE DEAD AND THEN WEREN’T all said you were on an island with mysterious powers, (but don’t look for it because it moved), I might actually think twice about it.

    As for Sun: What you said got me thinking. She didn’t act like a new pregnant widow (even though she technically is/might be) because she is suppose to be several months out from Jin’s death. That actually explains some of what I see as conflict in her at the press conference. To her, Jin JUST DIED (presumably), but she is SUPPOSE to act like he died several months ago and she has had survival on her mind, and has had some time to process and deal with her grief. Pretty hard to pull off, I would imagine.[/quote]
    2 good points Rita. Jin is dead, right (bone)? If his death happened not so long ago, wouldn’t she have expressed more EMOTION? Especially to her mother. But, then again I am not familiar with the Korean culture. Maybe showing EMOTION in public is a no-no. I’m pretty sure that disobeying your father is. She really just ignored her father. I believe Jin to be dead though. I would like to see the story though, as we saw Charlie’s. Sorry PJ.

  355. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="222372"]
    What is really making me spin is wondering what happens to Des.[/quote]
    Penny shows up and rescues him and him ALONE.
    Then he becomes the ECONOMIST. I dont see how it could possibly happen but, that would be nice. Who doesn’t like Des?

  356. jd21 says:

    Aside form everything else, I want to know how Hurley gets on the plane home. Plus – and this is speculative – do we think he’s the one in the coffin (seen, I believe, at the end of 3rd season (Jack with big beard and aviators)). WOAH what a good half of the finale. Tears to eyes.

  357. JES says:

    Two theories on ‘the temple':

    Theory 1)Call me crazy, but I could swear that Jack and Kate stumble upon a ‘temple’ of sorts near the caves in season 1. I need to go back and watch that.

    Theory 2)What if the temple is INSIDE the 4 toed statue?

    Theory on ‘Adam and Eve':
    Desmond and Penny?
    I think Penny might just give up her off-island life to accompany Des on the island after she finds it and realizes he can’t leave.

    Can’t wait for the rest of the season finale!

  358. lost-on-mars says:

    i just watched the episode again. Did anyone notice that the co-pilot of the plane was holding a rabbits tail and said “we’ll need this for good luck with the folks we have on the plane” and, Hugo’s dad also had a rabbit’s tail on the key chain for the car he showed him. Any significance to that and the Rabbit video from the Orchid (15)?

  359. Kyle says:

    I don’t think the frieghter will explode. The guy on the boat said something was broadcasting from it. Probably a connection between the thing on Keamy’s arm and the explosives. If you stop the connection between the explosives and the device on Keamy’s arm, it won’t matter if Keamy dies. No connection, no explosion. Said is like McGuyver. Just give him a toothpick and a paperclip and he can fix anything.

  360. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="222394"]I believe Jin to be dead though. I would like to see the story though, as we saw Charlie’s. Sorry PJ.[/quote]

    I guess I am just going to have to be the soul optimist left among us, because I also think Jin, Desmond, Sawyer and Juliet are all still alive – just “stuck” on the island. Two weeks ago, I might have counted Claire among them. Now, I am not so sure.

    : ) P

  361. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="222476"]i just watched the episode again. Did anyone notice that the co-pilot of the plane was holding a rabbits tail and said “we’ll need this for good luck with the folks we have on the plane” and, Hugo’s dad also had a rabbit’s tail on the key chain for the car he showed him. Any significance to that and the Rabbit video from the Orchid (15)?[/quote]
    Just for the record, those were feet, not tails. I think it is just a clue or nod that the Orchid will be coming into play soon.

  362. Confused says:

    Maybe I’m missing something, but everyone keeps talking about Jin being dead and remember we saw him in a flash forward, he was visiting another baby in the hospital while Sun was giving birth to hers. How could he die?

  363. Kathy says:

    [quote comment="222512"][quote comment="222476"]i just watched the episode again. Did anyone notice that the co-pilot of the plane was holding a rabbits tail and said “we’ll need this for good luck with the folks we have on the plane” and, Hugo’s dad also had a rabbit’s tail on the key chain for the car he showed him. Any significance to that and the Rabbit video from the Orchid (15)?[/quote]
    Just for the record, those were feet, not tails. I think it is just a clue or nod that the Orchid will be coming into play soon.[/quote]

    Totally what I was thinking too Hammer.

  364. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="222537"]Maybe I’m missing something, but everyone keeps talking about Jin being dead and remember we saw him in a flash forward, he was visiting another baby in the hospital while Sun was giving birth to hers. How could he die?[/quote]

    That was NOT a flashforward. It was a flashback to when he and Sun were first married and he was still a grunt for Mr. Paik. It was a simultaneous flashforward for Sun and flashback for Jin, meant to totally throw us off. At the end of the episode, Sun is at Jin’s graveside, and the date on the marker was 9-22-2004, the date of the crash. So the world at large has been led to believe he died IN THE CRASH, which we know he did not.

    This is not just a guess on our part, by the way. D&C confirmed the FB/FF in a podcast.

    : ) P

  365. Confused says:

    [quote comment="222541"][quote comment="222537"]Maybe I’m missing something, but everyone keeps talking about Jin being dead and remember we saw him in a flash forward, he was visiting another baby in the hospital while Sun was giving birth to hers. How could he die?[/quote]

    That was NOT a flashforward. It was a flashback to when he and Sun were first married and he was still a grunt for Mr. Paik. It was a simultaneous flashforward for Sun and flashback for Jin, meant to totally throw us off. At the end of the episode, Sun is at Jin’s graveside, and the date on the marker was 9-22-2004, the date of the crash. So the world at large has been led to believe he died IN THE CRASH, which we know he did not.

    This is not just a guess on our part, by the way. D&C confirmed the FB/FF in a podcast.

    : ) P[/quote]

    Ok, thanks for clearing that up. Who is D&C? :)

  366. Deangoodes says:

    The shows producers and writers and creators: Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof.

  367. Deangoodes says:

    They film little tidbits from time to time (podcasts) to help clear up misinterpretations of the show.

  368. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="222542"][quote comment="222541"][quote comment="222537"]Maybe I’m missing something, but everyone keeps talking about Jin being dead and remember we saw him in a flash forward, he was visiting another baby in the hospital while Sun was giving birth to hers. How could he die?[/quote]

    That was NOT a flashforward. It was a flashback to when he and Sun were first married and he was still a grunt for Mr. Paik. It was a simultaneous flashforward for Sun and flashback for Jin, meant to totally throw us off. At the end of the episode, Sun is at Jin’s graveside, and the date on the marker was 9-22-2004, the date of the crash. So the world at large has been led to believe he died IN THE CRASH, which we know he did not.

    This is not just a guess on our part, by the way. D&C confirmed the FB/FF in a podcast.

    : ) P[/quote]

    Ok, thanks for clearing that up. Who is D&C? :)[/quote]
    ++++++++++++++
    Damon and Carlton, the producers and head writers.

  369. TIMELOST says:

    [quote comment="222116"]Could anyone please help me understand what happened on the freighter when Des ran into onto the ship’s bridge and I think he was trying to turn the freighter towards the island but the instruments were not responding. Has the freighter drifted too close to the island? or is all that C2 creating some intereference? is this realization prior to the discovery of the C2 even significant?

    btw- Sawyer and Des are my favs and I’ll be crushed if they don’t make it!
    Thx-helen[/quote]

  370. TIMELOST says:

    [quote comment="222116"]Could anyone please help me understand what happened on the freighter when Des ran into onto the ship’s bridge and I think he was trying to turn the freighter towards the island but the instruments were not responding. Has the freighter drifted too close to the island? or is all that C2 creating some intereference? is this realization prior to the discovery of the C2 even significant?

    btw- Sawyer and Des are my favs and I’ll be crushed if they don’t make it!
    Thx-helen[/quote]

    The guy driving the boat told Desmond there was a signal transmitting from the boat, and that is what they couldnt turn, he went searching for what was transmitting and aparently it was the C4 (problably transmitting to the metronome on Keameys arm)

  371. TIMELOST says:

    The guy driving the boat told des that there was a signal transmitting from the boat, and that this signal was interfering with something. He went to find what was transmitting and found the C4, probably transmitting to keamy.s arm

  372. DocH says:

    All caught up on the comments here and elsewhere. Some disbelief that the “LITTLE” inflatable outboard was making a few runs from ship-to-shore as the freighter is 40NM off-shore. Obviously it is not. The freighter used to be at 80NM (nautical miles), recently Frank and Dan used 40NM as the distance. MY belief is that the freighter is probably closer to 5 NM by now. That is the only way such a small shuttle (not a real Zodiac) could go back and forth so quickly… and… without refueling its’ tiny 5 gallon tank. If seas were any rougher than what we have seen, that tiny dingy would easily flip. My point… the freighter, and the phenomena protecting the island, are collapsing toward the island. Time differentials are starting to get very close.

  373. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="222257"][quote comment="222239"]No one has mentioned the telescoping baton yet.[/quote]
    We didn’t see him use it as a telescope. I believe it is the same weapon that he used in the desert. It looked like he had it behind his back. Here are the 2 screencaps. Note the wardrobe change. Shirt with a collar. Shirt without.

    [/quote]
    That didn’t work to well. But take a look at these 2.

    That is from Ben in the desert. Take a close look at the baton. Now take a look at this screencap from the PILOT episode.

    Is that it? It’s hard for me to tell. The opening scene of Ben’s FF did remind me of Jack in the pilot episode, although Jack didn’t puke like Ben.

  374. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="222586"]Is that it? It’s hard for me to tell. The opening scene of Ben’s FF did remind me of Jack in the pilot episode, although Jack didn’t puke like Ben.[/quote]

    It is hard to tell. If I were made to guess, I would say they are not the same. The black object next to Jack seems to be shiny and somewhat larger than the one Ben is holding.

    I don’t understand what you are saying about the shirt and collar, please explain? He is clearly wearing different outfits, is that what you mean?

    I don’t want to BUY the DVD’s until the series is over and they sell a complete series version (learned my lesson on that one). But I do think I will have to rent and watch them all in order!

    : ) P (who is going to go add LOST to my Blockbuster Online Queue!)

  375. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="222582"]All caught up on the comments here and elsewhere. Some disbelief that the “LITTLE” inflatable outboard was making a few runs from ship-to-shore as the freighter is 40NM off-shore. Obviously it is not. The freighter used to be at 80NM (nautical miles), recently Frank and Dan used 40NM as the distance. MY belief is that the freighter is probably closer to 5 NM by now. That is the only way such a small shuttle (not a real Zodiac) could go back and forth so quickly… and… without refueling its’ tiny 5 gallon tank. If seas were any rougher than what we have seen, that tiny dingy would easily flip. My point… the freighter, and the phenomena protecting the island, are collapsing toward the island. Time differentials are starting to get very close.[/quote]
    Yes, yes….I’m still diggin’ your theory.

  376. sector7 says:

    Props to everyone who thought Jack knew he was related to Aaron in SNBH! I’ll admit I was wrong about that one.

  377. Tasha says:

    Can someone explain to me why Desmond left on a boat and was brought right back to the island….and now when you leave on a boat….you can go back to the real world?(sorry…I call it the real world.) Does that have something to do with the blowing of the swan station?

  378. Rita says:

    [quote comment="222627"]Can someone explain to me why Desmond left on a boat and was brought right back to the island….and now when you leave on a boat….you can go back to the real world?(sorry…I call it the real world.) Does that have something to do with the blowing of the swan station?[/quote]
    ***************************
    It seems that you have to leave the island on a specific heading. Otherwise, you don’t escape it. Michael left on the specific heading that Ben gave him and was able to leave even before the hatch blow. They are using the heading now, back and forth, and are able to get through to the “real world”.

  379. Bobola says:

    Wonder what it is that gets Hugo into the Camaro later when he goes nuts. I always thought those were the ugliest Camaros…I actually worked in a place in the early 70s and two guys both bought those ugly orange Z28s!
    The ones a few years before are very cool and now collectors items.
    Hugo musta spent all that money because if he still had it why in the hell would he be such a cheap ass Asylum instead of a real nice one with lots of nice attendants and good facilities.
    Yeah; Hugo’s Mom is pretty clueless.

  380. JamieGirl says:

    I think Des gets off the island, though clearly not as one of the Oceanic 6, as he was not on the flight. I am curious as to how he would explain resurfacing (in “Castaway” Tom Hanks was on a deserted island for 4 years). His story was that he was alone.

    Sun/Paik Industries/Hurley:
    Paik Heavy Industries, aka Paik Motors, Paik Automotive. Sun’s father “Paik” runs the company, hires his son in law Jin who he hates. Sun & Jin had an unstable marriage (she had an affair, he was supposedly her father’s hit man). Paik staffed Jin on a mission to deliver Rolex watches from Sydney to LA. Jin invited Sun along. Sun planned to dessert Jin at the Sydney airport. Her father probably knew this, as Sun confided in her decorator who probably worked for Paik too (I am guessing the part about the decorator to support my theory). Mr. Paik, of Paik Heavy Industries, aka Paik Motors, Paik Automotive (I am mentioning the full name again for a reason). I am thinking that Paik manufactured either (1) the fake Oceanic Plane or (2) The freighter, and that Paik was hired by Widemore. Obvioulsy Mr. Paik did not know Sun would be on Oceanic flight 815 (she was supposed to leave Jin at the airport), but he knew, and didn’t mind that Jin would be on the flight. This now makes me think that a select few knew that Oceanic 815 was doomed, Mr. Paik being one of them. Not only do I think Widemore and Paik are well connected, but both of them hated their daughter’s boyfriends/husbands enough to plot their dissappearance to the island. Further, I think Sun figures it out – somehow (and I welcome comments) and uses her settlement to buy the majority stake of Paik for (1) revenge / spite against her father for sending Jin and unknowingly Sun, on a ill fated flight and (2) to prevent Paik from doing more business with Widemore, thus preventing Paik from finding or disrupting the island. It is clear to me, in my opinion, that the Oceanic 6 share a common goal in protecting the island. As for Hurley, he did mention in this week’s episode, not wanting anything to do with his lotto millions. However, I’m sure he received a settlement from Oceanic Airlines and contributed to the Paik buyout because he wants to help Sun.

  381. cindy says:

    [quote comment="222501"][quote comment="222394"]I believe Jin to be dead though. I would like to see the story though, as we saw Charlie’s. Sorry PJ.[/quote]

    I guess I am just going to have to be the soul optimist left among us, because I also think Jin, Desmond, Sawyer and Juliet are all still alive – just “stuck” on the island. Two weeks ago, I might have counted Claire among them. Now, I am not so sure.

    : ) P[/quote]

    I want to think so too- the only thing is that Jack is all about keeping his promise and making sure everyone gets off the island.. i don’t see how he can be so ok with being off the island if he left anyone behind that didn’t want to be left behind (like he says of sawyer choosing to stay). I just don’t understand what could’ve happened to juliet to make the future jack not as concerned about her anymore. and what could have happened to her that she wouldn’t be a part of sun’s baby’s delivery is she did make it off the island.

  382. cindy says:

    [quote comment="222672"][quote comment="222501"][quote comment="222394"]I believe Jin to be dead though. I would like to see the story though, as we saw Charlie’s. Sorry PJ.[/quote]

    I guess I am just going to have to be the soul optimist left among us, because I also think Jin, Desmond, Sawyer and Juliet are all still alive – just “stuck” on the island. Two weeks ago, I might have counted Claire among them. Now, I am not so sure.

    : ) P[/quote]

    I want to think so too- the only thing is that Jack is all about keeping his promise and making sure everyone gets off the island.. i don’t see how he can be so ok with being off the island if he left anyone behind that didn’t want to be left behind (like he says of sawyer choosing to stay). I just don’t understand what could’ve happened to juliet to make the future jack not as concerned about her anymore. and what could have happened to her that she wouldn’t be a part of sun’s baby’s delivery is she did make it off the island.[/quote]

    i mean, IF she did make it off the island..

  383. ghostrider says:

    Why did the altimeter on the Coast Guard plane show zero?

    I haven’t seen that question posted. I don’t think it’s a production error because it was just too prominent.

  384. JamieGirl says:

    [quote comment="222664"]I think Des gets off the island, though clearly not as one of the Oceanic 6, as he was not on the flight. I am curious as to how he would explain resurfacing (in “Castaway” Tom Hanks was on a deserted island for 4 years). His story was that he was alone.

    Sun/Paik Industries/Hurley:
    Paik Heavy Industries, aka Paik Motors, Paik Automotive. Sun’s father “Paik” runs the company, hires his son in law Jin who he hates. Sun & Jin had an unstable marriage (she had an affair, he was supposedly her father’s hit man). Paik staffed Jin on a mission to deliver Rolex watches from Sydney to LA. Jin invited Sun along. Sun planned to dessert Jin at the Sydney airport. Her father probably knew this, as Sun confided in her decorator who probably worked for Paik too (I am guessing the part about the decorator to support my theory). Mr. Paik, of Paik Heavy Industries, aka Paik Motors, Paik Automotive (I am mentioning the full name again for a reason). I am thinking that Paik manufactured either (1) the fake Oceanic Plane or (2) The freighter, and that Paik was hired by Widemore. Obvioulsy Mr. Paik did not know Sun would be on Oceanic flight 815 (she was supposed to leave Jin at the airport), but he knew, and didn’t mind that Jin would be on the flight. This now makes me think that a select few knew that Oceanic 815 was doomed, Mr. Paik being one of them. Not only do I think Widemore and Paik are well connected, but both of them hated their daughter’s boyfriends/husbands enough to plot their dissappearance to the island. Further, I think Sun figures it out – somehow (and I welcome comments) and uses her settlement to buy the majority stake of Paik for (1) revenge / spite against her father for sending Jin and unknowingly Sun, on a ill fated flight and (2) to prevent Paik from doing more business with Widemore, thus preventing Paik from finding or disrupting the island. It is clear to me, in my opinion, that the Oceanic 6 share a common goal in protecting the island. As for Hurley, he did mention in this week’s episode, not wanting anything to do with his lotto millions. However, I’m sure he received a settlement from Oceanic Airlines and contributed to the Paik buyout because he wants to help Sun.[/quote]

    One more note, I am still trying to define “Doomed”.

  385. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="222590"]
    I don’t understand what you are saying about the shirt and collar, please explain? He is clearly wearing different outfits, is that what you mean?
    [/quote]
    I was hoping that we would see, this season, how Ben ended up in the Sahara desert in Oct. 2005. I thought once he went to the Orchid there might be some way he transports himself to the desert.

  386. btr says:

    [quote comment="222537"]Maybe I’m missing something, but everyone keeps talking about Jin being dead and remember we saw him in a flash forward, he was visiting another baby in the hospital while Sun was giving birth to hers. How could he die?[/quote]

    I think it was a flashback within a flashfoward. After he delivered the panda, a nurse asked him about being a father and he said not to rush him that he’s only been married a year.

    I’m confused about this; If Jin dies on the freighter in an explosion, there’s no body to bury and hence, there wouldn’t be a gravesite but Hurley and Sun visited the grave. Sun said at the press conference that Jin didn’t survive the crash, didn’t make it off the plane. How would they explain finding Jin’s body and burying him?

    Sorry if this has already been addressed. I’m a new reader and poster.

  387. RD says:

    [quote comment="222637"]Wonder what it is that gets Hugo into the Camaro later when he goes nuts. I always thought those were the ugliest Camaros…I actually worked in a place in the early 70s and two guys both bought those ugly orange Z28s!
    The ones a few years before are very cool and now collectors items.
    Hugo musta spent all that money because if he still had it why in the hell would he be such a cheap ass Asylum instead of a real nice one with lots of nice attendants and good facilities.
    Yeah; Hugo’s Mom is pretty clueless.[/quote]
    ============
    Yeah, but Hugo’s Dad is Cheech!!

    Maybe there is some hidden meaning there?

  388. RD says:

    [quote comment="222747"][quote comment="222537"]Maybe I’m missing something, but everyone keeps talking about Jin being dead and remember we saw him in a flash forward, he was visiting another baby in the hospital while Sun was giving birth to hers. How could he die?[/quote]

    I think it was a flashback within a flashfoward. After he delivered the panda, a nurse asked him about being a father and he said not to rush him that he’s only been married a year.

    I’m confused about this; If Jin dies on the freighter in an explosion, there’s no body to bury and hence, there wouldn’t be a gravesite but Hurley and Sun visited the grave. Sun said at the press conference that Jin didn’t survive the crash, didn’t make it off the plane. How would they explain finding Jin’s body and burying him?

    Sorry if this has already been addressed. I’m a new reader and poster.[/quote]
    —-
    There does not need to be a body to have a gravestone. It is common when the body is not found to still have a gravestone.

  389. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="222748"]Yeah, but Hugo’s Dad is Cheech!!

    Maybe there is some hidden meaning there?[/quote]

    There were some jokes on a podcast about “smokey” and Cheech being on the same side. I wish I remembered the wording, because it was a good chuckle.

    : ) P

  390. Hammer says:

    Once again, avoid the ABC commercial promos. Clue for the “big kiss” and what’s down the elevator.

  391. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="222857"]Once again, avoid the ABC commercial promos. Clue for the “big kiss” and what’s down the elevator.[/quote]
    That’s gonna be tough for me today. What’s happening to those Wings?

  392. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="222673"][quote comment="222672"][quote comment="222501"][quote comment="222394"]
    the only thing is that Jack is all about keeping his promise and making sure everyone gets off the island.. i don’t see how he can be so ok with being off the island if he left anyone behind that didn’t want to be left behind (like he says of sawyer choosing to stay). [/quote]
    _________________________________

    I thought this back at the beginning of the season. Maybe the “choice” is who gets on the helo first to go — somewhere?? Maybe the O6 are in the helo when the island gets moved. The island disappears and the O6 believe everyone is just gone. Dead or alive, who knows? All the O6 know is that they don’t have a clue how to find out.

    Makes sense that they would let Sun, Kate and Aaron go first. They would want Jack to go because they know he’ll do anything to get the women back and might need a doctor in transit. They might want Sayid to go in case they have to kill anyone or electronically communicate in order to make it to civilization. And they men would let Hugo go before them because he’s Hugo. I don’t know, that’s all I got right now.

  393. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="222858"][quote comment="222857"]Once again, avoid the ABC commercial promos. Clue for the “big kiss” and what’s down the elevator.[/quote]
    That’s gonna be tough for me today. What’s happening to those Wings?[/quote]
    I’d like to say officiating, but the officials have been horrible for both teams. Dallas came in tired and the Wings were able to take advantage. Now Dallas has their legs and Detroit hasn’t matched the intensity. I figured Wings in 7 anyway. If Franzan can play…Wings in 6.

  394. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="222860"][quote comment="222673"][quote comment="222672"][quote comment="222501"][quote comment="222394"]
    the only thing is that Jack is all about keeping his promise and making sure everyone gets off the island.. i don’t see how he can be so ok with being off the island if he left anyone behind that didn’t want to be left behind (like he says of sawyer choosing to stay). [/quote]
    _________________________________

    I thought this back at the beginning of the season. Maybe the “choice” is who gets on the helo first to go — somewhere?? Maybe the O6 are in the helo when the island gets moved. The island disappears and the O6 believe everyone is just gone. Dead or alive, who knows? All the O6 know is that they don’t have a clue how to find out.

    Makes sense that they would let Sun, Kate and Aaron go first. They would want Jack to go because they know he’ll do anything to get the women back and might need a doctor in transit. They might want Sayid to go in case they have to kill anyone or electronically communicate in order to make it to civilization. And they men would let Hugo go before them because he’s Hugo. I don’t know, that’s all I got right now.[/quote]
    ———–
    Sounds like a plausible theory to me. The choice of words Jack used in SNBH was very odd though when referring to Sawyer and his whereabouts.

    JACK: But he’s not here, is he? No. No, he made his choice. He chose to stay. I’m the one who came back. I’m the one who’s here. I’m the one who saved you.

    “He chose to stay”. That makes it sound like Sawyer COULD have left if he wanted to. JMO.

  395. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="222860"][quote comment="222673"][quote comment="222672"][quote comment="222501"][quote comment="222394"]
    the only thing is that Jack is all about keeping his promise and making sure everyone gets off the island.. i don’t see how he can be so ok with being off the island if he left anyone behind that didn’t want to be left behind (like he says of sawyer choosing to stay). [/quote]
    _________________________________

    I thought this back at the beginning of the season. Maybe the “choice” is who gets on the helo first to go — somewhere?? Maybe the O6 are in the helo when the island gets moved. The island disappears and the O6 believe everyone is just gone. Dead or alive, who knows? All the O6 know is that they don’t have a clue how to find out.

    Makes sense that they would let Sun, Kate and Aaron go first. They would want Jack to go because they know he’ll do anything to get the women back and might need a doctor in transit. They might want Sayid to go in case they have to kill anyone or electronically communicate in order to make it to civilization. And they men would let Hugo go before them because he’s Hugo. I don’t know, that’s all I got right now.[/quote]
    +++++++++++++++++
    I said it before, I think it’s more about who wants off island and who is “off island” when it gets moved, now I’ll add who is still alive. Rose, Bernard, Locke, Sawyer don’t want to leave. Jin, Claire, Des, Micheal, Juliette are either dead or still “on island” when it gets moved.

  396. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="222664"]I think Des gets off the island, though clearly not as one of the Oceanic 6, .[/quote]
    I also think Des gets off the island then eventually ends up in the coffin after Ben get’s his revenge on Widmore. ( Penny )
    [quote comment="222664"]
    Not only do I think Widemore and Paik are well connected, but both of them hated their daughter’s boyfriends/husbands [/quote]
    Funny, Ben also hated his daughter’s boyfriend too. I think you summed up the connection between Widmore and Paik pretty well. I remember reading something similar about their connection in the Ji Yeon thread. Very well thought out.

  397. Deangoodes says:

    Sounds like a plausible theory to me. The choice of words Jack used in SNBH was very odd though when referring to Sawyer and his whereabouts.

    JACK: But he’s not here, is he? No. No, he made his choice. He chose to stay. I’m the one who came back. I’m the one who’s here. I’m the one who saved you.

    “He chose to stay”. That makes it sound like Sawyer COULD have left if he wanted to. JMO.[/quote]
    ———————————————–
    If Sawyer “chose” to stay that makes it sound like anyone could have chose to stay on the island or return to the real world; but that doesn’t sit right with me because there were many Losties that certainly would have liked to return to ther real world: Bernard and Rose, Jin, maybe a few of the extras, etc… So I find it hard to wrap my mind around what Jack said about Sawyer “choosing” to stay…

  398. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="222869"]Sounds like a plausible theory to me. The choice of words Jack used in SNBH was very odd though when referring to Sawyer and his whereabouts.

    JACK: But he’s not here, is he? No. No, he made his choice. He chose to stay. I’m the one who came back. I’m the one who’s here. I’m the one who saved you.

    “He chose to stay”. That makes it sound like Sawyer COULD have left if he wanted to. JMO.[/quote]
    ———————————————–
    If Sawyer “chose” to stay that makes it sound like anyone could have chose to stay on the island or return to the real world; but that doesn’t sit right with me because there were many Losties that certainly would have liked to return to ther real world: Bernard and Rose, Jin, maybe a few of the extras, etc… So I find it hard to wrap my mind around what Jack said about Sawyer “choosing” to stay…[/quote]
    ++++++++++++++++++
    Right, some choose, some don’t have the opportunitysome(island moves)and some are dead (comment 395).

  399. Hammer says:

    My memory is fuzzy and I’m having a hard time finding it. But I thought there was a scene were Sawyer tells Kate he’s not interested in going home because he has nothing to go back to?

  400. Hammer says:

    Found it:

    [KATE moves the curtain aside and looks out the window, then turns and walks towards SAWYER.]

    KATE: So what, I’m your prisoner?

    SAWYER: If that sorta thing turns you on.

    [KATE sits on the bed. Getting no reaction from KATE, SAWYER looks remorseful. KATE looks at SAWYER, angry.]

    KATE: What are you doing here with Locke?

    SAWYER: (mystified) I’m not with him.

    KATE: Yeah, you are, James.

    SAWYER: Then what are you doing with Jack?

    KATE: I went with Jack because I believe he can get us off this island.

    [SAWYER shakes his head and approaches KATE.]

    SAWYER: I guess that’s the difference between us.

    [SAWYER sits next to KATE.]

    SAWYER: (continues) I ain’t lookin to leave.

    KATE: Why not?

    SAWYER: (considers) Cause, I ain’t got nothin’ back there for me.

    KATE: (flabbergasted) What’s here that’s so much better?

    SAWYER: Why do you want to go back, Kate? Seem to recall you being shuttled off to jail before we landed here. So if you think there’s anything waiting for you back home other than handcuffs, you really don’t know how the world works. Look around us, Freckles. We’ve got roofs over our heads. Electricity, showers, beds.

    KATE: Yeah, how long, Sawyer? How long can do you think we can play house?

    SAWYER: (lowers voice) Why don’t we find out? (lowers his head earnestly)

    Proves to me they are clueing us in that several folks choose to stay.

  401. JamieGirl says:

    Locke, Bernard, Rose don’t want to leave the island, Rose and Locke have been cured by the island.

  402. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="222869"]So I find it hard to wrap my mind around what Jack said about Sawyer “choosing” to stay…[/quote]
    Me too. But Kate didn’t really argue the point.

  403. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="222872"]My memory is fuzzy and I’m having a hard time finding it. But I thought there was a scene were Sawyer tells Kate he’s not interested in going home because he has nothing to go back to?[/quote]
    There is also a scene where Ben tells him about who is on the island, and what kind of person he would be off it.

  404. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="222876"]
    There is also a scene where Ben tells him about who is on the island, and what kind of person he would be off it.[/quote]
    BEN: Why’d you leave Kate behind?
    SAWYER: Wasting your time, Yoda.
    BEN: I know its not pleasant but, let’s face it, you really don’t stand a chance now…
    SAWYER: Chance of what?
    BEN: James. Look at yourself. Yes, on this Island you’re brave, daring, handsome, you’re someone, but if you left with them, back in the real-world a low-life scam artist like you could never compete with a first class surgeon. I think Kate was really upset when you made your choice to come with us. Thank god she has Jack there to comfort…

    Ben is helping him with his choice.

  405. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="222877"][quote comment="222876"]
    There is also a scene where Ben tells him about who is on the island, and what kind of person he would be off it.[/quote]
    BEN: Why’d you leave Kate behind?
    SAWYER: Wasting your time, Yoda.
    BEN: I know its not pleasant but, let’s face it, you really don’t stand a chance now…
    SAWYER: Chance of what?
    BEN: James. Look at yourself. Yes, on this Island you’re brave, daring, handsome, you’re someone, but if you left with them, back in the real-world a low-life scam artist like you could never compete with a first class surgeon. I think Kate was really upset when you made your choice to come with us. Thank god she has Jack there to comfort…

    Ben is helping him with his choice.[/quote]
    Should be a little easier to wrap you head around Sawyer’s “choice”.

  406. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="222879"]
    Should be a little easier to wrap you head around Sawyer’s “choice”.[/quote]
    LOL…When I typed the comment 402…I thought I hit submit. Jumped in the shower, came back and I never hit it. Hit it, then I read the other comments and said “DOH” (like Homer). Sometimes you just need to talk with others and rationalize.

  407. Hammer says:

    That is funny. I’ve done it myself. There are so many clues written in advance that it gets hard to remember them all.

  408. RGS says:

    [quote comment="222881"][quote comment="222879"]
    Should be a little easier to wrap you head around Sawyer’s “choice”.[/quote]
    LOL…When I typed the comment 402…I thought I hit submit. Jumped in the shower, came back and I never hit it. Hit it, then I read the other comments and said “DOH” (like Homer). Sometimes you just need to talk with others and rationalize.[/quote]
    ^^^^^^^^^
    Yep, even in the last episode when Sawyer runs into Jack and Kate and they argue, Sawyer drops the, “what’s with you and gettin off this island anyway.” Couple that with Jack’s comments to Kate, plus the points you guys reference, I can see Sawyer opting to stay.

    Rose and therefore Bernard. I think some of the extras will all of a sudden want to stay, maybe because of something Alpert and his folks say or do. Jin either dies, or is thought to be dead by all of the O6, and definitely Sun.

    Since we think that future Jack is trying to get the O6 folks to go back, maybe he convinces Sun that Jin may be alive and therefore that gets her to want to go back.

  409. PJSander says:

    Well those who say that Sawyer’s “choice” to stay on the island was his not having anything to go home to may be right, but I think there might be more to it.

    I think Sawyer “chose” to stay behind and look for Claire. I think that the island finally turned him into the man who cared for others before himself. There may or may not have been romantic feelings for Claire, he did look at her very lovingly – but, it may have been a more big brother, than lover look – and was VERY protective of her, Aaron AND Hurley.

    I think that Jack’s SAYING that Sawyer CHOSE to stay (in not particularly KIND way, IMO) was more about Jack’s pointing out that Sawyer chose NOT to be with Kate. That Sawyer chose Claire over Kate.

    Did Jack tell Kate that Sawyer chose to stay on the island before or after Jack found out that Claire was his sister? If it was after, it may also be that Jack is grappling with the fact that Sawyer stayed on the island to look for Jack’s own sister and that this marks the beginning of Jack’s downward spiral, because JACK now feels even MORE responsible for Claire’s fate.

    : ) P

  410. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="222889"]Well those who say that Sawyer’s “choice” to stay on the island was his not having anything to go home to may be right, but I think there might be more to it.

    I think Sawyer “chose” to stay behind and look for Claire. I think that the island finally turned him into the man who cared for others before himself. There may or may not have been romantic feelings for Claire, he did look at her very lovingly – but, it may have been a more big brother, than lover look – and was VERY protective of her, Aaron AND Hurley.

    I think that Jack’s SAYING that Sawyer CHOSE to stay (in not particularly KIND way, IMO) was more about Jack’s pointing out that Sawyer chose NOT to be with Kate. That Sawyer chose Claire over Kate.

    Did Jack tell Kate that Sawyer chose to stay on the island before or after Jack found out that Claire was his sister? If it was after, it may also be that Jack is grappling with the fact that Sawyer stayed on the island to look for Jack’s own sister and that this marks the beginning of Jack’s downward spiral, because JACK now feels even MORE responsible for Claire’s fate.

    : ) P[/quote]
    I like it. You tied the pieces together nicely. I posted something similar, although not as in depth, in comment 168.

    Lebron 40 points, 12 rebounds, 12 assists. Go CAVS. I’m out.

  411. JamieGirl says:

    [quote comment="222872"]My memory is fuzzy and I’m having a hard time finding it. But I thought there was a scene were Sawyer tells Kate he’s not interested in going home because he has nothing to go back to?[/quote]

    There is… I think it’s the same scene where she assures him she is not pregnant.

  412. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="222889"]Did Jack tell Kate that Sawyer chose to stay on the island before or after Jack found out that Claire was his sister? If it was after, it may also be that Jack is grappling with the fact that Sawyer stayed on the island to look for Jack’s own sister and that this marks the beginning of Jack’s downward spiral, because JACK now feels even MORE responsible for Claire’s fate.

    : ) P[/quote]

    Replying to myself…

    I looked it up.

    We saw in TNPLH pt1 that Jack finds out that Claire is his sister after his father’s memorial service. Aaron at that time is little, but must be about eight months old.

    AFTER the trial, when Jack and Kate are together, and Aaron is a toddler:

    KATE: (Sighs) I was doing something for him.

    JACK: For who?

    KATE: For Sawyer. I made him a promise. It… (sighs)

    JACK: (sighs) What?

    KATE: It doesn’t matter. It has nothing to do with us.

    JACK: Then why won’t you tell me?

    KATE: Because–because he wouldn’t want me to.

    ***JACK: But he’s not here, is he? No. No, he made his choice. He chose to stay. I’m the one who came back. I’m the one who’s here. I’m the one who saved you.

    KATE: Jack. (Sniffles) You can’t–you can’t do this. If you have problems, you need to figure them out. All right? ‘Cause I can’t have you like this around my son.

    JACK: Your son? You’re not even related to him!

    So Jack DID know that he was Aaron’s uncle. And the timeline is right for him to have been feeling even more guilty about his sister’s fate and Sawyer’s staying behind to look for Claire.

    : ) P

  413. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="222889"]Well those who say that Sawyer’s “choice” to stay on the island was his not having anything to go home to may be right, but I think there might be more to it.

    I think Sawyer “chose” to stay behind and look for Claire. I think that the island finally turned him into the man who cared for others before himself. There may or may not have been romantic feelings for Claire, he did look at her very lovingly – but, it may have been a more big brother, than lover look – and was VERY protective of her, Aaron AND Hurley.

    I think that Jack’s SAYING that Sawyer CHOSE to stay (in not particularly KIND way, IMO) was more about Jack’s pointing out that Sawyer chose NOT to be with Kate. That Sawyer chose Claire over Kate.

    Did Jack tell Kate that Sawyer chose to stay on the island before or after Jack found out that Claire was his sister? If it was after, it may also be that Jack is grappling with the fact that Sawyer stayed on the island to look for Jack’s own sister and that this marks the beginning of Jack’s downward spiral, because JACK now feels even MORE responsible for Claire’s fate.

    : ) P[/quote]
    Sure, why not? Still remains that some folks chose to stay behind and IMO he will be one of them regardless of actual reason(s).

  414. Deangoodes says:

    If in fact some of the Losties do “choose” to stay on the island, it must appear safer to them at that point than it does where we are in the storyline now; what with Keamy and his men storming the joint. So I CAN see some of them wanting to stay if the danger has passed (due to the island moving or Keamy being eliminated).

    But looking at the big picture, if Kate goes back to the real world, WHY does Sawyer want to stay?? At best his friends will be Ben and Locke, I don’t see any chance of a love interest, Dharma supplies and island fruit can’t be that delicious….Maybe the reason will be revealed soon.

  415. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="222897"]If in fact some of the Losties do “choose” to stay on the island, it must appear safer to them at that point than it does where we are in the storyline now; what with Keamy and his men storming the joint. So I CAN see some of them wanting to stay if the danger has passed (due to the island moving or Keamy being eliminated).

    But looking at the big picture, if Kate goes back to the real world, WHY does Sawyer want to stay?? At best his friends will be Ben and Locke, I don’t see any chance of a love interest, Dharma supplies and island fruit can’t be that delicious….Maybe the reason will be revealed soon.[/quote]
    Sawyer’s reason would likely be very different than Locke’s and Rose’s, but I don’t think either of them think the real world is better for them regardless of Keamy. Locke doesn’t want his old life wheel chair or not. Rose has a death sentence if she leaves….so nothing ventured, nothing gained.

  416. Deangoodes says:

    Hammer, Thanks for all the counterpoints when I am thinking out loud on the blog. If I had that much Lost in my head I wouldn’t have room in there for anything else. So I bounce ideas off you or whoever else might be able to help. Thanks again.

  417. Rita says:

    [quote comment="222897"]If in fact some of the Losties do “choose” to stay on the island, it must appear safer to them at that point than it does where we are in the storyline now; what with Keamy and his men storming the joint. So I CAN see some of them wanting to stay if the danger has passed (due to the island moving or Keamy being eliminated).

    But looking at the big picture, if Kate goes back to the real world, WHY does Sawyer want to stay?? At best his friends will be Ben and Locke, I don’t see any chance of a love interest, Dharma supplies and island fruit can’t be that delicious….Maybe the reason will be revealed soon.[/quote]
    *******************************
    Very likely, Sawyer chooses to stay in a very selfless act, sort of “women and children first”, and “real men” let the weaker among them go first, etc. Jack has already decided to go, and of course feels really guilty once he understands why Sawyer is staying. He feels like a wimp. He has to rationalize his position and fight for it, more to convince himself than Kate. Then he finds out that Claire is his sister, and feels even worse for his selfish choice to leave the island and leave others behind while he gets on with his tidy and predictable life as a surgeon.

  418. Lins says:

    A couple of things I noticed…

    Why was Nadia waiting outside with a police car?

    Interesting that Jin and Sun were really the only “main characters” that went to the freighter on the first trip…makes me wonder if she does go back when the raft returns…gets back to the island and then it “moves”, the raft can’t get back to the freighter so she has no choice but to get on the helicopter to return to the normal world?

  419. cindy says:

    [quote comment="222915"]A couple of things I noticed…

    Why was Nadia waiting outside with a police car?

    Interesting that Jin and Sun were really the only “main characters” that went to the freighter on the first trip…makes me wonder if she does go back when the raft returns…gets back to the island and then it “moves”, the raft can’t get back to the freighter so she has no choice but to get on the helicopter to return to the normal world?[/quote]

    interesting thought- any ideas on whether michael finally dies on the freighter? we keep talking about des and jin but michael is like invincible.

  420. cindy says:

    remember how hurley said to jack that he should’ve gone with him instead of Locke? he said that in a flashforward at the mental institution when jack visited him. after watching the episode again jack and sawyer were about to take the helicopter and stopped only because hurley was with locke and ben and they had to go back to get him. maybe he said that to jack because if they had just left then, maybe more people could’ve been saved.

  421. Trixanna says:

    [quote comment="223042"]remember how hurley said to jack that he should’ve gone with him instead of Locke? he said that in a flashforward at the mental institution when jack visited him. after watching the episode again jack and sawyer were about to take the helicopter and stopped only because hurley was with locke and ben and they had to go back to get him. maybe he said that to jack because if they had just left then, maybe more people could’ve been saved.[/quote]
    Interesting idea. I think it is very plausible. Hurley does seem quite sad most of the times that we see him post-island. He is so tormented!

  422. Rita says:

    [quote comment="223028"][quote comment="222915"]A couple of things I noticed…

    Why was Nadia waiting outside with a police car?

    Interesting that Jin and Sun were really the only “main characters” that went to the freighter on the first trip…makes me wonder if she does go back when the raft returns…gets back to the island and then it “moves”, the raft can’t get back to the freighter so she has no choice but to get on the helicopter to return to the normal world?[/quote]

    interesting thought- any ideas on whether michael finally dies on the freighter? we keep talking about des and jin but michael is like invincible.[/quote]
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  423. Bobola says:

    Who was the woman getting in the raft to the Freighter wearing the pink shirt? I don’t remember ever seeing her. Ms. Anonymous?
    Maybe they just needed some filler bodies to get to the Freighter so they would have a few extra people to blow up later along with Jin and…maybe Michael?
    And if Michael still cannot die maybe he will get blown up and get all scarred up with terrible burns but still live. I’d like that! He did have some Keamy wounds showing when Sun and Jin talked to him on the deck.

    Maybe it’s Hugo that screws things up so that Jin can’t get rescued…and maybe why he gives Sun some bucks later (if that’s the case).
    Fav lines by Ben; How many times to I HAVE to tell you John? I always have a plan!
    That’s the good old Ben I love to hate.
    Could anyone ever make a more scary face than Keamy just before he smacks Ben? I hope that little baton gets used at some point by widdle old Ben on the group crowd of Mercenaries. Seems Benny knows his share of moves after how he dealt with the Arabs in the desert.
    (“Oh, you DO speak English.”)
    I want more Charlotte…what a babe, but maybe an evil babe.
    And it seems the Airline Co. is somehow complicit in the coverup the way they are so emphatic in their story at the Press Conference. The spokeslady sure did play a prissy corporate bitch well.
    I don’t care how bad the Aussie accents get as long as I never hear Charlie sing again. All Aussie accents sound bad to me…like nails on a chalkboard.

    Someone mentioned that headstones ARE placed even if there is no body. Yes, indeed. My Uncle was lost in WW2 at sea in his fighter plane. When I photographed his “grave” a light showed up on the film going from the sky to the headstone! And the sun was behind me.

  424. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="222900"]Hammer, Thanks for all the counterpoints when I am thinking out loud on the blog. If I had that much Lost in my head I wouldn’t have room in there for anything else. So I bounce ideas off you or whoever else might be able to help. Thanks again.[/quote]
    Quite welcome, I do the same thing. Plenty of thinkers around here to help out.

  425. intolost says:

    Thoughts:

    1. Yeah! Do I now get to find out the story of Christian Shepherd and Claire’s mom?

    2. Michael is with Jin when he dies on the frieghter and Sun gives Michael his watch as some sort of thank you or keepsake.

    3. What the heck is stinkin’ Miles up to???? No good I bet! Can’t stand him and his shifty eyes. Is he in this whole thing for himself and rebelling against Widmore???? He is going to be a key to something. He just seems to be his own sneaky little entity. What does he know?

    4. What about the 3.2 mil?

    5. Somebody please make Faraday spill all he knows and explain his notebook!!!!

    6. Speaking of notebooks, whatever happened with that big pile of composition notebooks near the Swan Station from S1????

    7. Um…sorry I know they do like each other, but I don’t see any chemistry at all between Faraday and CSLewis.

    8. Sun knows more than the other losties post-rescue. Whao, totally off the wall crazy thought—okay, Sun is not at CS’s funeral and Jack says “10 months ago…blah, blah…,”… She confronts daddy and he asks how the pregnancy is going…Hurley visits her and he is glad no one else came…She wasn’t at Hurley’s party…Hmmmm……What’s going on with Sun and Hurley???? Could Sun be preggers a second time with Hurley, Jr.?????

    9. Maybe Rose and Bernard are the two “dead” of the ’08.

  426. DocH says:

    Claire’s mom in this episode is not the same gal that played Mrs. Littleton in the episode where Goth Claire crashed the car. The previous was a former “Mrs. Hawaii”. This one is an actress known for performing in England and the U.S.

  427. intolost says:

    There’s no place like home…..means the island!

  428. intolost says:

    There’s no place like home definitely means….the island!

  429. JamieGirl says:

    [quote comment="223049"]Who was the woman getting in the raft to the Freighter wearing the pink shirt? I don’t remember ever seeing her. Ms. Anonymous?
    Maybe they just needed some filler bodies to get to the Freighter so they would have a few extra people to blow up later along with Jin and…maybe Michael?
    And if Michael still cannot die maybe he will get blown up and get all scarred up with terrible burns but still live. I’d like that! He did have some Keamy wounds showing when Sun and Jin talked to him on the deck.

    Maybe it’s Hugo that screws things up so that Jin can’t get rescued…and maybe why he gives Sun some bucks later (if that’s the case).
    Fav lines by Ben; How many times to I HAVE to tell you John? I always have a plan!
    That’s the good old Ben I love to hate.
    Could anyone ever make a more scary face than Keamy just before he smacks Ben? I hope that little baton gets used at some point by widdle old Ben on the group crowd of Mercenaries. Seems Benny knows his share of moves after how he dealt with the Arabs in the desert.
    (“Oh, you DO speak English.”)
    I want more Charlotte…what a babe, but maybe an evil babe.
    And it seems the Airline Co. is somehow complicit in the coverup the way they are so emphatic in their story at the Press Conference. The spokeslady sure did play a prissy corporate bitch well.
    I don’t care how bad the Aussie accents get as long as I never hear Charlie sing again. All Aussie accents sound bad to me…like nails on a chalkboard.

    Someone mentioned that headstones ARE placed even if there is no body. Yes, indeed. My Uncle was lost in WW2 at sea in his fighter plane. When I photographed his “grave” a light showed up on the film going from the sky to the headstone! And the sun was behind me.[/quote]

    Finally someone commented on the airline personnel. Was that woman on the rescue flight a bitch or what? Generally in situations like these, there are therapists present, not skeptical bitches.

  430. DocH says:

    [quote comment="223051"]
    … What the heck is stinkin’ Miles up to???? No good I bet! Can’t stand him and his shifty eyes. He is going to be a key to something. He just seems to be his own sneaky little entity. What does he know?

    … Sun knows more than the other losties post-rescue…

    … Maybe Rose and Bernard are the two “dead” of the ’08.
    [/quote]
    re:Miles – que? I know he started-off a little unlikeable (LIKE SAWYER), but I am starting to like him a lot. I agree that when we get his big ‘reveal’, it will be huge, and will be the key to something important. Sawyer has grown from my least fave – to most fave – in one season. I hope Miles becomes more interesting re: the story… if not, then at least keep him for comic relief, now that Hugo is getting all future creepy. Miles may also make his “rainbow connection” with the island, and want to stay – LOST.

    re: Sun knows more… I don’t think that she ‘knows’ more… I think she is more willing to act on what she knows, compared to the other OA6. She may be very angry at dad, having learned some of his secrets, and at her life in his shadow, growing-up. She is just getting her adult confidence, now that she has money and doesn’t need dad. Time for payback! She reminds me of the Terminator – “I’ll be back” – no she is.

    re: Rose & Bernard = dead OA8. I hope not anytime soon. I see them (potentially) as the Adam & Eve corpses… hopefully after the island goes thru a few more time cycles.

  431. CAG says:

    [quote comment="223051"]Thoughts:

    5. Somebody please make Faraday spill all he knows and explain his notebook!!!!
    [/quote]

    I think the notebook is Faraday’s constant.

  432. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="222905"]Very likely, Sawyer chooses to stay in a very selfless act, sort of “women and children first”, and “real men” let the weaker among them go first, etc. Jack has already decided to go, and of course feels really guilty once he understands why Sawyer is staying. He feels like a wimp. He has to rationalize his position and fight for it, more to convince himself than Kate. Then he finds out that Claire is his sister, and feels even worse for his selfish choice to leave the island and leave others behind while he gets on with his tidy and predictable life as a surgeon.[/quote]

    You’re not, by any chance, a Skater, are you, Rita?

    LOL

    : ) P

  433. CAG says:

    [quote comment="222860"] Rose, Bernard, Locke, Sawyer don’t want to leave. Jin, Claire, Des, Micheal, Juliette are either dead or still “on island” when it gets moved.[/quote]

    I thought Rose decided to leave the island in last years season ender, am I remembering wrong? As I recall, Bernard was very surprised.

  434. intolost says:

    Okay, I’ll give Miles a chance. It just seemed like he came slithering out of the jungle like a snake.

    Sawyer, yes, stays to be there for/with Claire, Juliette, Locke, Rose, and Bernard. Sawyer rocks!

    I think Alpert will save Ben’s butt.

    I really want to know what happened to Dr. Candle!!

    Here’s a Star Trek TNG analogy just for giggles:

    Locke–Picard
    Jack–Riker
    Kate–Deanna Troi
    Juliette–Bev Crusher
    Sayid/Sawyer–Worf
    Hurley–Data
    Michael–Geordi la Forge

  435. intolost says:

    Matrix connection…Neo and the white rabbit

    What is the Matrix? What is the island?

  436. intolost says:

    btw…Were those whisperings Hurley heard coming from is party attendees or were they actually island Whisperers? Anyone?

  437. Rita says:

    [quote comment="223061"][quote comment="222905"]Very likely, Sawyer chooses to stay in a very selfless act, sort of “women and children first”, and “real men” let the weaker among them go first, etc. Jack has already decided to go, and of course feels really guilty once he understands why Sawyer is staying. He feels like a wimp. He has to rationalize his position and fight for it, more to convince himself than Kate. Then he finds out that Claire is his sister, and feels even worse for his selfish choice to leave the island and leave others behind while he gets on with his tidy and predictable life as a surgeon.[/quote]

    You’re not, by any chance, a Skater, are you, Rita?

    LOL

    : ) P[/quote]
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    Ha ha! It sure sounded like it didn’t it?!! I guess I am with DocH and Sawyer is becoming one of my favorite characters. He is becoming nobel and human.

  438. Rita says:

    [quote comment="223051"]Thoughts:

    2. Michael is with Jin when he dies on the frieghter and Sun gives Michael his watch as some sort of thank you or keepsake.

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    Jin gave Michael his watch himself during season 1, after they fought (Michael didn’t know why, but Jin saw Michael had on the watch Paik had given him to deliver in LA). Besides, Michael had it at the pawn shop BEFORE he got on the freighter.

  439. roses12 says:

    [quote comment="222114"]First off, probably the best Ep of the season, my jaw was on the floor the entire time.

    Im not really sure about all the confusion about the O6 lying about the rescue. They really have no choice….the world has already been told and shown that flight 815 crashed and there were no survivors. If any of the O6 come forward and say they were stranded on an island and there are more survivors, then whoever staged the crash has some serious explaining to do, it now turns into a worldwide conspiracy, not only that but you then have rescue teams searching for an island that cannot be found….im pretty sure that widmore has something to do with the O6 getting there settlement money since he is most likely the one who staged the crash.
    [/quote]

    The O6 must have a good reason to support the consipracy that the 815’s have all died. I dont buy that a large payout would be justification enough for them to go along with it. Particularly Hurley. There is no way Hugo would want that bad karma. I’m at a loss as to why they would support Widmore and abandon their friends. Cann’t wait to find out.

    like your 06 rescue theory.

  440. sector7 says:

    I think as long as Michael is on the freighter it will not blow up. Just as guns will not fire on him. Why would his work all of a sudden be done between now and when Keamy tried to shoot him? Unless fixing the engine was the end of his “work”. If I was Des, I would believe Michael’s story that the island won’t let him die, because I would know how crazy it is for anyone to believe that my conscience has been time traveling… As soon as I saw all the C-4, I would immediately want Michael to stand right in front of it. “Michael, I need you here, now!”

  441. Rita says:

    [quote comment="223149"]I think as long as Michael is on the freighter it will not blow up. Just as guns will not fire on him. Why would his work all of a sudden be done between now and when Keamy tried to shoot him? Unless fixing the engine was the end of his “work”. If I was Des, I would believe Michael’s story that the island won’t let him die, because I would know how crazy it is for anyone to believe that my conscience has been time traveling… As soon as I saw all the C-4, I would immediately want Michael to stand right in front of it. “Michael, I need you here, now!”[/quote]
    *****************************
    Funny! Not a bad idea! Except we have no way to know when the island is done with you, or when it wants to use you at all. Other people have died (Tom, etc).
    The O6 have been interesting to watch as they cope with their lies.
    Sun: Lots of experience lying. No problems. Even seems to thrive.
    Hurley: Hates the lies and doesn’t cope well. Ends up back in the hospital (OK, not just over the lies, but it contributes to his state of mind).
    Kate: Also doesn’t seem to have a problem with it either. Just ambivilent, just one more lie.
    Jack: At first no problems, just another challenge, then eventually falls apart.
    Sayid: Reverts back to his military training. Becomes Ben’s assasin. Guilt? Default setting so he doesn’t have to think too much?
    Aaron: The only one who didn’t lie. Good for him! :)

  442. roses12 says:

    [quote comment="222204"][quote comment="222200"]But most importantly, has the actress who plays Sun had a boob job or is it just a magic bra??[/quote]
    She’s pregnant.[/quote]

    well thats attention to detail then :)

  443. Bobola says:

    [quote comment="223138"]

    : ) P[/quote]
    *******************************
    Ha ha! It sure sounded like it didn’t it?!! I guess I am with DocH and Sawyer is becoming one of my favorite characters. He is becoming nobel and human.[/quote]

    NO, I don’t think he will be up for the Nobel Prize any time soon. HA.

  444. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="223062"][quote comment="222860"] Rose, Bernard, Locke, Sawyer don’t want to leave. Jin, Claire, Des, Micheal, Juliette are either dead or still “on island” when it gets moved.[/quote]

    I thought Rose decided to leave the island in last years season ender, am I remembering wrong? As I recall, Bernard was very surprised.[/quote]
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    That did happen, in the first episode of this season. Locke announces his intention to stay on the island, several Losties go with him, but Rose says, “I’m not going anywhere with that man.” However, when the time actually comes to leave the island, she may change her mind.

  445. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="222717"]Why did the altimeter on the Coast Guard plane show zero?

    I haven’t seen that question posted. I don’t think it’s a production error because it was just too prominent.[/quote]
    Good question, but I’d guess that it was a production error. Either the plane wasn’t actually running, or the filming occurred in a studio on the ground.

  446. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="223162"][quote comment="223062"][quote comment="222860"] Rose, Bernard, Locke, Sawyer don’t want to leave. Jin, Claire, Des, Micheal, Juliette are either dead or still “on island” when it gets moved.[/quote]

    I thought Rose decided to leave the island in last years season ender, am I remembering wrong? As I recall, Bernard was very surprised.[/quote]
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    That did happen, in the first episode of this season. Locke announces his intention to stay on the island, several Losties go with him, but Rose says, “I’m not going anywhere with that man.” However, when the time actually comes to leave the island, she may change her mind.[/quote]

    ___________________________

    I can’t remember, did Rose actually say she wanted to leave the island — or just that she didn’t want to go with John? Not wanting to go with John doesn’t necessarily mean she wants to leave the island.

  447. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="223062"][quote comment="222860"] Rose, Bernard, Locke, Sawyer don’t want to leave. Jin, Claire, Des, Micheal, Juliette are either dead or still “on island” when it gets moved.[/quote]

    I thought Rose decided to leave the island in last years season ender, am I remembering wrong? As I recall, Bernard was very surprised.[/quote]
    I’ll have to research, but I thought she decided to go to the beach with the folks trying to get rescued because she didn’t want to be with Locke. I don’t think she said she wanted to leave?

  448. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="223166"]
    I can’t remember, did Rose actually say she wanted to leave the island — or just that she didn’t want to go with John? Not wanting to go with John doesn’t necessarily mean she wants to leave the island.[/quote]
    She never did specifically say she wanted to leave the island. The way that scene in S4E1 played out, it seemed to imply that people who went with Jack wanted to be rescued, and people who went with Locke wanted to stay. But perhaps Rose never had any intention of leaving the island, despite going with Jack.

  449. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="223166"][quote comment="223162"][quote comment="223062"][quote comment="222860"] Rose, Bernard, Locke, Sawyer don’t want to leave. Jin, Claire, Des, Micheal, Juliette are either dead or still “on island” when it gets moved.[/quote]

    I thought Rose decided to leave the island in last years season ender, am I remembering wrong? As I recall, Bernard was very surprised.[/quote]
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    That did happen, in the first episode of this season. Locke announces his intention to stay on the island, several Losties go with him, but Rose says, “I’m not going anywhere with that man.” However, when the time actually comes to leave the island, she may change her mind.[/quote]

    ___________________________

    I can’t remember, did Rose actually say she wanted to leave the island — or just that she didn’t want to go with John? Not wanting to go with John doesn’t necessarily mean she wants to leave the island.[/quote]
    ++++++++++++++++++
    Here it is…one MIGHT interpret her remark as she wants to leave…but I don’t. She just doesn’t want to be with Locke ’cause she thinks he’s wrong and a killer.

  450. Hammer says:

    Oops….here it is:

    LOCKE: Anyone else. There isn’t much time.

    [Claire joins them, as do a number of others]

    BEN: Jack with your permission, I’d like to go with John.

    JACK: He’s all yours.

    [Ben and Rousseau join Locke, as does Alex and Karl]

    BERNARD: (To Rose) You said you’d never leave the Island, if you wanna go with Locke, I’ll be right behind ya.

    ROSE: I’m not going anywhere with that man.

  451. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="222366"]
    Cav’s vs. CREAMPUFFS Sunday 3:30. (Sorry Toeknee) Make sure you call Ray Allen and tell him there’s a game.[/quote]

    [quote comment="222890"]
    Lebron 40 points, 12 rebounds, 12 assists. Go CAVS. I’m out.[/quote]

    My condolences, lost4ever. Great performance by Lebron. Pierce made up for another Ray Allen no-show. Bring on the Pistons! (actually I’m dreading that series – I think Detroit will win it)

  452. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="223173"]
    My condolences, lost4ever. Great performance by Lebron. Pierce made up for another Ray Allen no-show. Bring on the Pistons! (actually I’m dreading that series – I think Detroit will win it)[/quote]
    TY. I can’t believe I now have to root for the Pistons.

  453. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="223138"][quote comment="223061"][quote comment="222905"]Very likely, Sawyer chooses to stay in a very selfless act, sort of “women and children first”, and “real men” let the weaker among them go first, etc. Jack has already decided to go, and of course feels really guilty once he understands why Sawyer is staying. He feels like a wimp. He has to rationalize his position and fight for it, more to convince himself than Kate. Then he finds out that Claire is his sister, and feels even worse for his selfish choice to leave the island and leave others behind while he gets on with his tidy and predictable life as a surgeon.[/quote]

    You’re not, by any chance, a Skater, are you, Rita?

    LOL

    : ) P[/quote]
    *******************************
    Ha ha! It sure sounded like it didn’t it?!! I guess I am with DocH and Sawyer is becoming one of my favorite characters. He is becoming nobel and human.[/quote]
    ————–
    He is becoming more Jack-like.

  454. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="223051"]
    9. Maybe Rose and Bernard are the two “dead” of the ’08.[/quote]
    This has been bothering me. It probably doesn’t matter to the overall rescue but isn’t the “Ocaenic 6 Story” that 8 people survived the intial crash? THEN Aaron was born after the crash ( 5 weeks ago ). I am not sure why they said 5 weeks.
    Wouldn’t that make 9?

  455. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="223172"]
    BERNARD: (To Rose) You said you’d never leave the Island, if you wanna go with Locke, I’ll be right behind ya.
    ROSE: I’m not going anywhere with that man.[/quote]
    So Rose told Bernard she would never leave the island and that she didn’t want to go anywhere with that man. Sounds to me like Bernard has his hands full.

  456. skweez says:

    Hi All… I’m back, and refreshed from watching all the new epps…

    I just finished reading something on Dark UFO that was interesting…

    That black wand thingy that Ben used to whip the guys butts in the desert seems to be the same thing that he gave to Locke. But the interesting part is that they have a screen cap of Episode 1 when Jack wakes up, there’s something that resembles that black wand thingy lying right next to Jack… I wonder if it plays a part in time travel….

  457. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="223223"]Hi All… I’m back, and refreshed from watching all the new epps…

    I just finished reading something on Dark UFO that was interesting…

    That black wand thingy that Ben used to whip the guys butts in the desert seems to be the same thing that he gave to Locke. But the interesting part is that they have a screen cap of Episode 1 when Jack wakes up, there’s something that resembles that black wand thingy lying right next to Jack… I wonder if it plays a part in time travel….[/quote]

    Not sure about the actual “time travel” aspect, but as to discussion of the black wand “thingy”, see comments 333, 373 and 374.

    : ) P

  458. wally p says:

    [quote comment="222184"][quote comment="222138"][quote comment="222111"][quote comment="222002"][quote comment="221943"]

    [/quote]

    I agree that Aaron did NOT look five weeks old. At first, I figured it was more about CASTING a baby, than their lie, but I suspect it is partly both.

    They crashed on September 22, 2004. 108 days later, when they were “rescued” would be about January 8, 2005. Claire gave birth to Aaron around November 1st. That would make Aaron about nine weeks old. That baby looked older than nine weeks![/quote][/quote]

    ##############################

    This was something that I never considered, and could easily just be a casting thing… but on the other hand There have been a few instances on the show now where people have appeared bigger.

    Two of Lockes visions: First was Walt. Locke even says.. “It was Walt, but he was bigger.” I guessed this could have been the fact that the kid playing Walt hit a growth spurt in real life so the writers tried to ease it into the script. I’m sure it could have been just as easily avoided though, if there wasn’t going to be any reasoning behind it. And several have stated that Claire looked different as well in Jacobs cabin. Bigger even.

    What really blew my head open though, was that I recently watched for the first time the “Raised By Another” episode from season one. Where Claire sees the psychic and he tells her that she absolutely MUST raise the baby herself or there could be dire consequences… really freaky episode from season one, good reference point for the whole Aaron thing. Which also has Claires really spooky nightmare/ vision of Locke. Plus, in the old episodes… when that whoosh sound pipes in, there is also a focus on the characters eyes. The pupils get really big and then really small when the whoosh sound happens.

    This adds to the idea that the FF and FB’s are more than just another form of narrative. I think they might have something to do with the actual thread of the story. Individual visions, that were once past visions, but are now future visions (after the hatch explosion maybe…)

    In older episodes it always seems that what we saw in the flashbacks was the influence behind what actions the central character took in the episode…(is it obvious that I just watched season one for the first time?)… here the same could be said with the flash fowards… But since the future is not yet written (thanks Doc Brown) several things can be misinterpreted. Especially when/if the past, present and future all overlap each other.

    anyway… I’m just bored at work again. Anybody make any sense of any of this?

  459. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="223181"][quote comment="223173"]
    My condolences, lost4ever. Great performance by Lebron. Pierce made up for another Ray Allen no-show. Bring on the Pistons! (actually I’m dreading that series – I think Detroit will win it)[/quote]
    TY. I can’t believe I now have to root for the Pistons.[/quote]
    Hey!!! What wrong with that?!! It should be a great series.

  460. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="223230"]
    (is it obvious that I just watched season one for the first time?)[/quote]
    Have you watched any of Season 2 or 3 yet?

  461. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="223234"]
    Hey!!! What wrong with that?!! It should be a great series.[/quote]
    Sheed and Mr. Ed ( You call him Mr. big shot). Cant stand em.

  462. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="223230"] But since the future is not yet written (thanks Doc Brown) several things can be misinterpreted.
    [/quote]
    Some people might disagree with you on this point. I think it is believed that the future is written, maybe not completely but certain aspects are. I think that ties into the whole course-correcting explained by Ms. Hawking in Season 3 “Flashes before yours eyes.” If you have not seen the episode there is a great recap on LOSTPEDIA.com. It is a good website to use as reference for some questions.

  463. Hammer says:

    LOL. Mr. Ed. I can see why folks don’t like Sheed, I didn’t like him ’til he came to the D. Prince looks like a praying mantis, Rip looks like a billy goat….but at least none of them look like Sideshow Bob. :)

  464. wally p says:

    [quote comment="223237"][quote comment="223230"]
    (is it obvious that I just watched season one for the first time?)[/quote]
    Have you watched any of Season 2 or 3 yet?[/quote]

    Basically started watching at the end of 2. Missed a couple here and there.But its easy to miss and forget things anyway!

  465. DocH says:

    [quote comment="223230"]
    But since the future is not yet written…. Especially when/if the past, present and future all overlap each other.
    [/quote]
    I agree. There is a ton of potential in this plotline. Everything (timelines) starts to sync-up BUT, things that were thrown WAY out-of-sync as they occurred in their individual timeline, find it hard to re-align. Perhaps Jack & Hurley show it best in their flashforwards – their mental health is failing. They are so far removed from where they need to be for ‘re-alignment’ to take place (island?/Orchid?) that they suffer terribly in future world. Maybe they even had a close encounter or two with an alternate version of themselves. Rabbit #15 could not be in the same room with its alternate self, as very bad things would happen. Jack & Hugo may have gotten too close to Jack #15 & Hurley #15… and bad things happened.

    I can just imagine future Sayid on a mission for Ben, with Ben outside in a surveillance van. Ben calls him on the walkie-talkie. “Sayid, I thought you said you were in position.” “I am Benjamin, why do you ask?” “Ummm… because I just saw you walk in the front door of the building.” “I did not. I am in the stairwell as planned.” Ben, realizing he has an alternate Sayid on his hands directs… “Abort the mission now, get out of there any way you can… just don’t use the front entrance!”
    – – – –
    [ later that day, Ben treats Sayid to a "#1" tattoo on the hand, for identification purposes. ]
    [:^)

  466. Hammer says:

    I want to modify my wish list.

    1. My Whisperers theory answered.
    2. DocH’s Timeline collision theory answered.

  467. deangoodes says:

    Has there been any discussion on why the rabbit is rabbit #15? Did the first 14 rabbits die from testing of time travel? Have they sent the other rabbits into different times or different places? I don’t know if it will ever come up on the show but it seems worth discussing.

  468. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="223067"]btw…Were those whisperings Hurley heard coming from is party attendees or were they actually island Whisperers? Anyone?[/quote]
    My guess is that it was a tease, the party goers were whispering…..but one can hope!

  469. PJSander says:

    I have another wish, but this one is for the final DVD set. I would like to see the ENTIRE series played out IN CHRONOLOGICAL order from the earliest flashback, to the last flashforward / present time scene.

    I know it isn’t going to happen “officially” because it would require re-editing the entire series, but I bet there is an uber-fan out there just… er… ‘clever’ enough to do it.

    : ) P

  470. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="223264"]Has there been any discussion on why the rabbit is rabbit #15? Did the first 14 rabbits die from testing of time travel? Have they sent the other rabbits into different times or different places? I don’t know if it will ever come up on the show but it seems worth discussing.[/quote]
    Yeah, I’m guessing that they want us to know that this isn’t the 1st expiremental rabbit.

  471. JCdigsClaire says:

    But since the future is not yet written…. Especially when/if the past, present and future all overlap each other.

    I agree. There is a ton of potential in this plotline. Everything (timelines) starts to sync-up BUT, things that were thrown WAY out-of-sync as they occurred in their individual timeline, find it hard to re-align. Perhaps Jack & Hurley show it best in their flashforwards – their mental health is failing. They are so far removed from where they need to be for ‘re-alignment’ to take place (island?/Orchid?) that they suffer terribly in future world. Maybe they even had a close encounter or two with an alternate version of themselves. Rabbit #15 could not be in the same room with its alternate self, as very bad things would happen. Jack & Hugo may have gotten too close to Jack #15 & Hurley #15… and bad things happened.

    I can just imagine future Sayid on a mission for Ben, with Ben outside in a surveillance van. Ben calls him on the walkie-talkie. “Sayid, I thought you said you were in position.” “I am Benjamin, why do you ask?” “Ummm… because I just saw you walk in the front door of the building.” “I did not. I am in the stairwell as planned.” Ben, realizing he has an alternate Sayid on his hands directs… “Abort the mission now, get out of there any way you can… just don’t use the front entrance!”
    – – – –
    [ later that day, Ben treats Sayid to a “#1″ tattoo on the hand, for identification purposes.

    That is another thing that kind of refers to Back to the Future 2 when Jennifer see’s herself. Also some stuff about the future is written…..have you guys seen Donnie Darko!!!

  472. DocH says:

    @469:
    I would buy that DVD set but I would want to be able to watch an “enhanced” version, a commentary by cast version, a commentary by writers, and flashbacks to the Black Rock arrival, at least.

    Better yet… back to the 4-toed Statue construction. Where the chief architect gets to the construction site for the first time and gets into a fight with the general contractor.

    CA: “No, No man! Step back here with me, a little farther… just what is wrong with this picture?”

    GC: “uh.. I’m not seeing it… OH!. Oops… sorry.”

  473. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="223271"]@469:
    I would buy that DVD set but I would want to be able to watch an “enhanced” version, a commentary by cast version, a commentary by writers, and flashbacks to the Black Rock arrival, at least.

    Better yet… back to the 4-toed Statue construction. Where the chief architect gets to the construction site for the first time and gets into a fight with the general contractor.

    CA: “No, No man! Step back here with me, a little farther… just what is wrong with this picture?”

    GC: “uh.. I’m not seeing it… OH!. Oops… sorry.”[/quote]
    Do mean cracks in the concrete? JK. :)

  474. JCdigsClaire says:

    These are some interesteing thought on teh movie Donnie Darko that can relate to Lost a little bit.

    -“If a Tangent Universe occurs, it will be highly unstable, sustaining itself for no longer than several weeks.” In Donnies world, this is the 28 days to the end of the world.

    Next you have WATER and METAL. The book states:

    “Water is the barrier element for the construction of Time Portals used as gateways between Universes at the Tangent Vortex.

    Metal is the transitional element for the construction of Artifact Vessels.”

    -Next is the meaning of the engine falling into Donnie’s room. Note the following, also from the book: “When a Tangent Universe occurs, those living nearest to the Vortex will find themselves at the epicenter of a dangerous new world. Artifacts provide the first sign that a Tangent Universe has occured.”

    The engine is the sign that the tangent universe began. It is a metal artifact. Book says, “their appearance on Earth seems to defy logical explanation.”

    -Next is the receiver…which is DONNIE. The book says all of the following: “The Living Receiver is chosen to guide the Artifact into position for its journey back to the Primary Universe.

    No one knows how or why a Receiver will be chosen.

    The Living Receiver is often blessed with Fourth Dimensional Powers. These include increased strength, telekinesis, mind control, and the ability to conjure fire and water.”

    -Book goes on to say, “The Living Receiver is often tormented by terrifying dreams, visions and auditory hallucinations during his time within the Tangent Universe.”
    “The Manipulated Dead are more powerful than the Living Receiver. If a person dies within the Tangent Dimension, they are able to contact the Living Receiver through the Fourth Dimensional Construct.

    Pretty intresting stuff taht might relate to the creators in some way.

  475. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="223274"]“The Manipulated Dead are more powerful than the Living Receiver. If a person dies within the Tangent Dimension, they are able to contact the Living Receiver through the Fourth Dimensional Construct.

    Pretty intresting stuff taht might relate to the creators in some way.[/quote]
    Whisperers?

    Good stuff.

  476. DocH says:

    [quote]
    Do mean cracks in the concrete? JK. :)
    [/quote]
    The only thing I see cracks in… are the Wings defense. NK :)

  477. JCdigsClaire says:

    This is more Donnie Darko stuff I found from 2005. Interesting stuff again!!

    This theory is based on the motion picture Donnie Darko (http://us.imdb.com/Title?0246578).

    When I started watching Lost, I noticed it has plenty of parallels to this movie.
    For example:
    The books Sawyer is reading: Watership Down and A Wrinkle in Time. In D.D., Watership Down is read, viewed as a film and discussed in class. The movie also features a bunch of rabbit references. Basically, D.D. is about time travel, hence A Wrinkle in Time.
    The term Deus Ex Machina. Donnie Darko learns of this expression through his teacher in a Watership Down-discussion. When attacked at Grandma Death’s house, he also whispers it.
    Airplanes suddenly falling from the sky. Donnie is killed by a jet engine from the future flight of his mother and little sister.
    Controlling ones destiny. Fate.
    Manipulating people to make the right choices, and in that way save the universe (in Lost-perspective; solving the great mysteries of the island).
    Donnie Darko sees Frank, the giant bunny rabbit, which in fact is a real person he has killed in the future (a Manipulated Dead). In Lost, Jack sees his father which is supposed to be dead.
    Numbers. Donnie writes 28:06:42:12 on his arm (time left until the world will end). 4 8 15 16 23 42 is written on the side of the hatch-entrance.
    Grandma Death (Roberta Sparrow) whispers to Donnie: “Every single creature on this earth dies alone.”
    Jack says to the rest of the group: “… But if we can’t live together, we’re going to die alone.”

    The focus on eyes. Almost every episode of Lost opens with a closeup of someones eye. Same thing happens when Donnie wakes up at night. He also stabs Frank in the eye. Locke said he had seen into the eye of the island.

    At the end of a song featured in the D.D.-soundtrack, Tears for Fears – Head Over Heals, they mention the mind’s eye.
    This is what Locke is explaining to Walt when he teaches him how to throw knives.

    I would say that John Locke is the Donnie Darko type character of Lost (the Living Receiver), the one with great innsight, curiosity and wisdom. D.D. is based on a fictive book entitled The Philosophy of Time Travel (http://www.tangent-universe.org/dump/time_travel.html).
    It states the following:
    “The Living Receiver is often blessed with Fourth Dimensional Powers. These include increased strength, telekinesis, mind control, and the ability to conjure fire and water.”
    It almost seems that Locke can control the rain (water), Locke knew it was Walt who burned the fleet up (fire), he is skilled at convincing people (mind control), he can suddenly walk (increased strength), and he in some way communicated with the “monster” (telekinesis).

    Donnie Darko being the Living Receiver means that he is somehow controlled by something in the future called Deus Ex Machina, and his mission is to stop the universe from imploding and the world to end. …As most of you know, the next episode goes by the name Deus Ex Machina, and is about Locke…

  478. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="223276"][quote]
    Do mean cracks in the concrete? JK. :)
    [/quote]
    The only thing I see cracks in… are the Wings defense. NK :)[/quote]
    Hmmmmm….trash talking before the game is over….death(early summer)sentence.

  479. Hammer says:

    Okay, let’s all go out on a limb…we are supposed to find out who’s in the coffin next week. Let’s go with nly one solid guess and one alternate….

    I got Ben since we know he’s off the island and just to stay away from the obvious (Michael), and I’ll go with Locke as an alternate.

  480. Rita says:

    [quote comment="223272"][quote comment="223271"]@469:
    I would buy that DVD set but I would want to be able to watch an “enhanced” version, a commentary by cast version, a commentary by writers, and flashbacks to the Black Rock arrival, at least.

    Better yet… back to the 4-toed Statue construction. Where the chief architect gets to the construction site for the first time and gets into a fight with the general contractor.

    CA: “No, No man! Step back here with me, a little farther… just what is wrong with this picture?”

    GC: “uh.. I’m not seeing it… OH!. Oops… sorry.”[/quote]
    Do mean cracks in the concrete? JK. :)[/quote]
    ****************************
    No! He steps on his toe, thus he only has four left! Funny!

  481. Rita says:

    [quote comment="223272"][quote comment="223271"]@469:
    I would buy that DVD set but I would want to be able to watch an “enhanced” version, a commentary by cast version, a commentary by writers, and flashbacks to the Black Rock arrival, at least.

    Better yet… back to the 4-toed Statue construction. Where the chief architect gets to the construction site for the first time and gets into a fight with the general contractor.

    CA: “No, No man! Step back here with me, a little farther… just what is wrong with this picture?”

    GC: “uh.. I’m not seeing it… OH!. Oops… sorry.”[/quote]
    Do mean cracks in the concrete? JK. :)[/quote]
    ****************************
    Funny!! He left off a toe!

  482. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="223281"][quote comment="223272"][quote comment="223271"]@469:
    I would buy that DVD set but I would want to be able to watch an “enhanced” version, a commentary by cast version, a commentary by writers, and flashbacks to the Black Rock arrival, at least.

    Better yet… back to the 4-toed Statue construction. Where the chief architect gets to the construction site for the first time and gets into a fight with the general contractor.

    CA: “No, No man! Step back here with me, a little farther… just what is wrong with this picture?”

    GC: “uh.. I’m not seeing it… OH!. Oops… sorry.”[/quote]
    Do mean cracks in the concrete? JK. :)[/quote]
    ****************************
    No! He steps on his toe, thus he only has four left! Funny![/quote]
    +++++++++++
    So it’s hung up in court because the CA stopped paying conche shells for materials and GC sent all the workers back to Portland? Oh wait…Not in Portland….hmmmm.

  483. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="222036"][quote comment="222034"][quote comment="222031"]Another thing I notice now is that in the picture of them coming off the raft being rescued….It looks like Kate’s arms are up which would mean she isn’t carrying the baby. Also I do not see Sun and the baby either. Anyone else have any input?[/quote]
    Here is the screencap of that picture. Definitely dont see Aaron or Sun. But Sun could be on the other side of Kate holding Aaron. Kate;s arms looke to be around Sayid.

    http://bp0.blogger.com/_Hxnvg45zlCw/SC0ArKl9jxI/AAAAAAAABQA/jU7cxZzSXL0/s1600-h/4×12-00014.jpg%5B/quote%5D

    I am just trying to figure out if that is some kind of clue…you think they would make sure all of the O6 would be in the pic. I guess she could still be in the raft, but I don’t see all of them (Kate, Jack, Hurley, Sayid) just walking off without helping a pregnant lady and a baby off of it.[/quote]
    ++++++++++
    Sun is behind Kate and Sayid, otherwise they have too many legs.

  484. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="223280"]Okay, let’s all go out on a limb…we are supposed to find out who’s in the coffin next week. Let’s go with nly one solid guess and one alternate….

    I got Ben since we know he’s off the island and just to stay away from the obvious (Michael), and I’ll go with Locke as an alternate.[/quote]
    I changed my mind. I want Ben and Michael (the obvious choice). Originally I thought Locke might be off the island since he’s going to the Orchid with Ben and maybe leaves the island with him….but I think Ben stays and “mans” the island.

  485. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="223284"]
    Sun is behind Kate and Sayid, otherwise they have too many legs.[/quote]
    Keep reading a couple of more posts below that one.

  486. JCK says:

    I think it’s got to be Ben or Locke in the coffin. Anyone else (even Michael) and I have to believe there would have been other people paying their respects.

    I think given that neither of them has family or friends helps, but I also think that when we see Jack at the funeral home, he is obsessed with getting back to the island…Ben and Locke were obviously most in tune with the island yet they generally weren’t well-liked by the other survivors and I think that’s why Jack would go to the funeral while nobody else would.

  487. JCK says:

    Who knows though, they could show Keamy in the coffin and I don’t think I’d be totally shocked…

    ( really don’t think it’s him, I’m just saying….)

  488. Lins says:

    Although part of me thinks it’s still too obvious, I’m going to go with Michael as my pick with Ben as a back up. Although I just don’t think Ben dies…my other choice might be Desmond. I just don’t think that we will feel a sense of relief once we know who is in the coffin, like…whew, that mystery is solved now…I still think it will be a surprise that will lead us to ask…how on earth did he/she end up dead in NY and why does no one else care and why does it affect Jack so much? At least I hope that’s what happens, much more interesting and just think of the debates we can have for the next 7 months :(

  489. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="223290"]Who knows though, they could show Keamy in the coffin and I don’t think I’d be totally shocked…

    ( really don’t think it’s him, I’m just saying….)[/quote]

    I can’t quote it exactly, but I seem to remember D&C saying in a podcast that when we first saw the casket (S3 finale), we had already encountered that character in the show. This would then rule out all the freighter tots, Abaddon, and probably a few other people I can’t think of.

    : ) P

  490. JCK says:

    [quote comment="223292"]Although part of me thinks it’s still too obvious, I’m going to go with Michael as my pick with Ben as a back up. Although I just don’t think Ben dies…my other choice might be Desmond. I just don’t think that we will feel a sense of relief once we know who is in the coffin, like…whew, that mystery is solved now…I still think it will be a surprise that will lead us to ask…how on earth did he/she end up dead in NY and why does no one else care and why does it affect Jack so much? At least I hope that’s what happens, much more interesting and just think of the debates we can have for the next 7 months :([/quote]

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    I thought the funeral home was in LA. If it’s NY, then Michael seems really obvious.

    Although, I agree that whoever is in the coffin it will be a surprise and I doubt we’ll even find out how they got there. We’ll undoubtedly spend half a year trying to figure that out before the next season starts.

  491. DocH says:

    [quote comment="223294"]
    I can’t quote it exactly, but I seem to remember… in a podcast that when we first saw the casket…, we had already encountered that character in the show. This would then rule out all the freighter tots, Abaddon, and probably a few other people I can’t think of.
    [/quote]
    I had not heard that. Good to know. I’ll load that one into my hard-drive (brain). Without doing the research, I also seem to remember them saying it was supposed to be Locke in the casket, when they originally outlined the storyies for those episodes, but then they reconsidered.

    [quote]
    In the casket = Stanley Cup hopes! Whose?
    [/quote]

  492. helen says:

    [quote comment="222153"][quote comment="222116"]Could anyone please help me understand what happened on the freighter when Des ran into onto the ship’s bridge and I think he was trying to turn the freighter towards the island but the instruments were not responding. Has the freighter drifted too close to the island? or is all that C2 creating some intereference? is this realization prior to the discovery of the C2 even significant?

    btw- Sawyer and Des are my favs and I’ll be crushed if they don’t make it!
    Thx-helen[/quote]

    The thing tied to Keamy’s arm is transmitting with the radio room on the boat. The the transmittor on his arm is connected to the C4 in the radio room. The radio room was getting interference and preventing the ship driver from believing he would stay on the 305 bearing.[/quote]

    thank you for the clarification! (clearly an explosives novice!)

  493. Rita says:

    [quote comment="223295"][quote comment="223292"]Although part of me thinks it’s still too obvious, I’m going to go with Michael as my pick with Ben as a back up. Although I just don’t think Ben dies…my other choice might be Desmond. I just don’t think that we will feel a sense of relief once we know who is in the coffin, like…whew, that mystery is solved now…I still think it will be a surprise that will lead us to ask…how on earth did he/she end up dead in NY and why does no one else care and why does it affect Jack so much? At least I hope that’s what happens, much more interesting and just think of the debates we can have for the next 7 months :([/quote]

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    I thought the funeral home was in LA. If it’s NY, then Michael seems really obvious.

    Although, I agree that whoever is in the coffin it will be a surprise and I doubt we’ll even find out how they got there. We’ll undoubtedly spend half a year trying to figure that out before the next season starts.[/quote]
    ********************************
    It is LA, not NY. Also, we learned in “Who is Kevin Johnson” that the obvious person is sometimes the right pick (it really WAS Michael on the boat). We can’t rule anyone out just because they would be obvious. Michael seems likely, but at this point it could be anyone, even someone really UNlikely – then we would be shocked, and spend all of our time trying to figure out how that person ended up alone and friendless in LA.

  494. DocH says:

    [quote comment="223300"]
    … We can’t rule anyone out just because they would be obvious. Michael seems likely, but at this point it could be anyone,…
    [/quote]
    You always make me think… which is hard to do. If we aren’t ruling out folks, how about dead doctor with the slit throat, or dead captain, blasted for continued defiance of Keamy, and resisting secondary protocol.

    (and still, who passed the note about trusting the captain?)

  495. Lins says:

    Sorry…my mind thought LA and my hands typed NY…can it please be time to go home from work now!!

  496. ESB says:

    i’m not sure how this would come to be but I say it’s Walt in the coffin…just a hunch…my back-up choice would be Michael…

  497. JCK says:

    [quote comment="223315"]i’m not sure how this would come to be but I say it’s Walt in the coffin…just a hunch…my back-up choice would be Michael…[/quote]
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    being new to this blog, this is perhaps something that’s been discussed in detail in the past, but speaking of Walt, has anyone else been disappointed with how his character has been marginalized the last couple of seasons? It seemed like the writers were really building him up for something and now he’s all but an afterthought – almost to the point where re-including him in the story would be awkward and random…

  498. Kathy says:

    1st pick for who is in the coffin – Ben

    alternate pick – Charlotte – Jack probably went hoping to catch Faraday and get answers/advice on getting back to the island.

    Can’t help but notice how they seemed to emphasize the small size of the casket.

  499. ESB says:

    i agree…it seemed like Walt was one of the more important characters (or at least was going to END UP being one of them) in the story the first season and it seems like it would be difficult at best to bring him back in seriously now…that’s just ONE of the reasons that i think they might’ve killed off his character…

  500. Kathy says:

    [quote comment="223321"]1st pick for who is in the coffin – Ben

    alternate pick – Charlotte – Jack probably went hoping to catch Faraday and get answers/advice on getting back to the island.

    Can’t help but notice how they seemed to emphasize the small size of the casket.[/quote]

    I meant that Jack went to the funeral hoping to catch Faraday.

  501. ESB says:

    [quote comment="223324"][quote comment="223321"]1st pick for who is in the coffin – Ben

    alternate pick – Charlotte – Jack probably went hoping to catch Faraday and get answers/advice on getting back to the island.

    Can’t help but notice how they seemed to emphasize the small size of the casket.[/quote]

    I meant that Jack went to the funeral hoping to catch Faraday.[/quote]

    i think that is a pretty good theory…JAck seems pretty obsessed at that point…

  502. DocH says:

    wow… when we hit 500 comments and have more than a week to go – we start talking about caskets OR Walt. now we get the coffin AND Walt at the same time.

    (timelines, vile vortices and tangent universes must be aligning. what next whispers start to SPEAK UP?)
    8^)

  503. Kathy says:

    I want to say Walt as a guess but…Kate would go to his funeral, Sayid, and any other 06’er who knew about Walt’s funeral would go. They don’t hate on Walt because of his daddy, IMHO. Walt DOES fit in the coffin nicely though.

  504. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="222590"]
    I don’t want to BUY the DVD’s until the series is over and they sell a complete series version (learned my lesson on that one).
    [/quote]
    PJ – what’s the benefit to doing this?

  505. ESB says:

    [quote comment="223329"]I want to say Walt as a guess but…Kate would go to his funeral, Sayid, and any other 06’er who knew about Walt’s funeral would go. They don’t hate on Walt because of his daddy, IMHO. Walt DOES fit in the coffin nicely though.[/quote]

    these are all excellent points, but i’m going to stick by my pick…just in case i’m right…;) there would definitely have to be some kind of ‘as yet unknown reason’ for the other O6-ers not being there if it’s Walt but that’s nothing new for Lost…;)

  506. Rita says:

    [quote comment="223301"][quote comment="223300"]
    … We can’t rule anyone out just because they would be obvious. Michael seems likely, but at this point it could be anyone,…
    [/quote]
    You always make me think… which is hard to do. If we aren’t ruling out folks, how about dead doctor with the slit throat, or dead captain, blasted for continued defiance of Keamy, and resisting secondary protocol.

    (and still, who passed the note about trusting the captain?)[/quote]
    *********************************
    The problem with the person in the coffin being one of the freighter tots is that we don’t KNOW that they have no family/friends. We have no idea who would or wouldn’t attend any of their funerals. We need some back stories for them!!
    About the note: It seems now like they SHOULD have trusted the captain, who seemed like a pretty good guy. Who would have thought otherwise and why?

  507. ESB says:

    [quote comment="223332"][quote comment="222590"]
    I don’t want to BUY the DVD’s until the series is over and they sell a complete series version (learned my lesson on that one).
    [/quote]
    PJ – what’s the benefit to doing this?[/quote]

    *********

    i wouldn’t be able to do that with this show…i bought all of the first three seasons within a day or two of coming out and plan on doing the same with this season…;) i DO hope that they are a little cheaper tho, since the seasons from here on out will consist of fewer episodes…;(

  508. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="223294"][quote comment="223290"]Who knows though, they could show Keamy in the coffin and I don’t think I’d be totally shocked…

    ( really don’t think it’s him, I’m just saying….)[/quote]

    I can’t quote it exactly, but I seem to remember D&C saying in a podcast that when we first saw the casket (S3 finale), we had already encountered that character in the show. This would then rule out all the freighter tots, Abaddon, and probably a few other people I can’t think of.

    : ) P[/quote]
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    This is correct. Here’s the source for that statement:

    http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=1&id=46091

  509. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="223285"][quote comment="223280"]Okay, let’s all go out on a limb…we are supposed to find out who’s in the coffin next week. Let’s go with nly one solid guess and one alternate….

    I got Ben since we know he’s off the island and just to stay away from the obvious (Michael), and I’ll go with Locke as an alternate.[/quote]
    I changed my mind. I want Ben and Michael (the obvious choice). Originally I thought Locke might be off the island since he’s going to the Orchid with Ben and maybe leaves the island with him….but I think Ben stays and “mans” the island.[/quote]
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Hammer, did you mean to say you think Locke stays to man the island? I agree with that, although I think Ben remains on the island too, but he has the ability to come and go.

    And I’ll choose the same characters as you for who I think is in the coffin, but I’ll switch them. Michael is my #1 choice, and I’ll be very surprised if it’s anyone but him. The teenage son, being from New York, and the lack of attendees at the funeral make me think it’s him. However, if forced to pick an alternate, I could see Ben as the only other reasonable possibility.

    (Actually, I won’t be too surprised if I’m wrong – I’m pretty bad at predicting things like this)

  510. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="223332"]
    PJ – what’s the benefit to [waiting until they sell a complete series DVD set]?[/quote]

    Maybe LOST will be the exception, but I have found that in general, shows are released one season at a time (whether currently on the air or not) and then once all seasons have been released separately, the DVD’s are repackaged (often in a really COOL set – West Wing was in a “presidential case” for example) and even MORE often include bonus extras that were NOT available in the season by season releases. Uber-fans will buy the complete set again, which I am sure is the intent!

    So I will be content with renting the DVD’s for now and will start saving up for the full series DVD set which will come out probably in late 2010… which SEEMS like a long way away right now!

    : ) P

  511. Kathy says:

    I was wondering if any one could accurately remember if Kate was shocked that Jack went to the funeral. If she was surprised he went this would fuel Ben-in-the-casket theory. He does have his need to “fix things” or get closure or whatever.

    I also thought Charlotte was the name of the psychic’s daughter that Claire saw who told her about raising Aaron. If this Charlotte is the same as that Charlotte then she might be a foster kid with no real family or friends from being shuffled around, thus no one would come to her funeral.

    I do realize it’s probably not Charlotte, I agree it must be some one we already met at the time of the ep but Charlotte is plausible (to me at least)and is a weirdo-back-of-my-mind-theory.

  512. Trixanna says:

    I understand that D&C have said before that the coffin is NOT smaller than normal.

    First guess on who is in the coffin would be Michael but I do wonder if he blew up on the ship, why would they need a coffin?

    Second guess is Ben. His days of time traveling are over!

    Third speculation is Jin. Don’t know why, just a thought. Nobody would come to his funeral if they have already attended a memorial for him and no way would they believe his body was found now.

  513. RGS says:

    [quote comment="223328"]wow… when we hit 500 comments and have more than a week to go – we start talking about caskets OR Walt. now we get the coffin AND Walt at the same time.

    (timelines, vile vortices and tangent universes must be aligning. what next whispers start to SPEAK UP?)
    8^)[/quote]

    Lol, I was thinking along the same lines. Don’t forget the other C word…Constants.

  514. RGS says:

    [quote comment="223329"]I want to say Walt as a guess but…Kate would go to his funeral, Sayid, and any other 06’er who knew about Walt’s funeral would go. They don’t hate on Walt because of his daddy, IMHO. Walt DOES fit in the coffin nicely though.[/quote]

    Re: the Coffin size, it has been shown to be at least the size for an average adult and not small or childlike. Looking at the screencaps it is about six feet long.

  515. swimmer99 says:

    Whoever is going to be in the coffin is going to be unexpected. Jack might be pretending to not know the person in the coffin because nobody in the outside world knows that he made friends with people on the island. When the episode aired a year ago I thought it was Eko because I knew nobody would show up to his funeral…they are all in Africa.

    Does anyone else think that it is possible that Jin doesn’t die? Whenever she visited his grave I didn’t belive he was dead. I think Hurley and Sun bought into her fathers company so she can find the island to find Jin. Why else would she have motive to be associated with her father?

  516. DocH says:

    [quote]
    The problem with the person in the coffin being one of the freighter tots is that we don’t KNOW that they have no family/friends.
    [/quote]
    Charlotte in casket. No one would go (ever).

    Miles in casket. No one from the OA6 would go (yet). And he was from Southern California.

    Daniel in the casket. Some OA6 might go… unless he is the reason they can’t go back to the island, or more Losties can’t leave.

    Frank in the casket. Well that would be one good old fashion beer & scotch swilling wake.

    Michael in the casket. As Kevin or as Michael, I still think they would find away to get his memorial back to New York – close to mom & Walt.

    Ben in the casket. There was a non-Ben name in the paper AND Ben had many aliases… ? And that FF was a far in to the future that we have seen. (Maybe Sayid found out that Ben was responsible for Nadia’s death, and took him out.)

  517. lostfan742 says:

    what if its a funeral for someone who isn’t really dead; they are still on the island? there is just no body in the coffin. perhaps it could be a funeral for John Locke, and that’s the reason nobody goes. Jack goes because he knows that Locke was right about staying on the island. Even at the end of last year’s finale Jack exclaims that they have to go back.

  518. swimmer99 says:

    perhaps the funeral is for someone who isn’t really dead and still on the island. the coffin is just for show. i’m guessing its for Locke, that’s why nobody showed up. the reason Jack showed up was because he knows that Locke was right about staying on the island. He even explains in the end of last year’s finale that they have to go back to the island.

  519. Circus Mom says:

    OK, I’m only at comment 378 but I’m going to post a few things now.

    TAsha earlier said they thought Kate didn’t know Jack was Aarons uncle. Since she knew Claire was his mom she would have known Jack was his uncle when Claires mom told Jack that Claire was his sister.

    I think the reason Sun buys controling interest in her fathers company is threefold.
    1. To get even with her father.
    2. Widmore is the other person she blames for Jin’s “death” and she wants to go toe to toe.
    3. Jin is actually alive and she wants to use Paik resources to find the island again. She is the new Widmore.

  520. Rita says:

    [quote comment="223379"]perhaps the funeral is for someone who isn’t really dead and still on the island. the coffin is just for show. i’m guessing its for Locke, that’s why nobody showed up. the reason Jack showed up was because he knows that Locke was right about staying on the island. He even explains in the end of last year’s finale that they have to go back to the island.[/quote]
    **************************
    The funeral director offered to re-open the casket so Jack could “pay his respects” but Jack declined (so there must have been a bodfy to view). The reason Jack showed up was not for the dead person (whoever he is) but because he wanted to see someone else there. Kate maybe? Or someone else? He asked who else had been by and the funeral director said no one, only Jack.

  521. JamieGirl says:

    [quote comment="223285"][quote comment="223280"]Okay, let’s all go out on a limb…we are supposed to find out who’s in the coffin next week. Let’s go with nly one solid guess and one alternate….

    I got Ben since we know he’s off the island and just to stay away from the obvious (Michael), and I’ll go with Locke as an alternate.[/quote]
    I changed my mind. I want Ben and Michael (the obvious choice). Originally I thought Locke might be off the island since he’s going to the Orchid with Ben and maybe leaves the island with him….but I think Ben stays and “mans” the island.[/quote]

    Locke won an Emmy, that is the only reason why I’ve avoided calling him as the man in the coffin. I’ve been on my Kevin Johnson theory but that leaves no curveball, so I am now wondering if Sayid is in the coffin…

  522. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="223336"][quote comment="223294"][quote comment="223290"]Who knows though, they could show Keamy in the coffin and I don’t think I’d be totally shocked…

    ( really don’t think it’s him, I’m just saying….)[/quote]

    I can’t quote it exactly, but I seem to remember D&C saying in a podcast that when we first saw the casket (S3 finale), we had already encountered that character in the show. This would then rule out all the freighter tots, Abaddon, and probably a few other people I can’t think of.

    : ) P[/quote]
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    This is correct. Here’s the source for that statement:

    http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=1&id=46091%5B/quote%5D

    —————
    Good memory and research. When I first saw the newsclipping over last summer, I remember seeing a JO. I first thought it was JOhn Locke. Then they introduced us to Kevin JOhnson. Again JO. I think that name was picked on purpose. So, those would be my two choices, with number 1 being Locke. I don’t think there will be anything left of Michael ( BOOM ) to bury 3 years later.

  523. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="223437"][quote comment="223285"][quote comment="223280"]Okay, let’s all go out on a limb…we are supposed to find out who’s in the coffin next week. Let’s go with nly one solid guess and one alternate….

    I got Ben since we know he’s off the island and just to stay away from the obvious (Michael), and I’ll go with Locke as an alternate.[/quote]
    I changed my mind. I want Ben and Michael (the obvious choice). Originally I thought Locke might be off the island since he’s going to the Orchid with Ben and maybe leaves the island with him….but I think Ben stays and “mans” the island.[/quote]

    Locke won an Emmy, that is the only reason why I’ve avoided calling him as the man in the coffin. I’ve been on my Kevin Johnson theory but that leaves no curveball, so I am now wondering if Sayid is in the coffin…[/quote]
    —————-
    I don’t think Ben stays on the island. I think we saw his NEAR-future in the Sahara desert. Just speculating.
    If it is Locke in the coffin, it doesn’t mean Locke won’t be on the show. As LINS stated above in comment 488. Who knows, whoever it is, it may take them most or all of Season 5 to tell us how he ended up there.

  524. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="223337"][quote comment="223285"][quote comment="223280"]Okay, let’s all go out on a limb…we are supposed to find out who’s in the coffin next week. Let’s go with nly one solid guess and one alternate….

    I got Ben since we know he’s off the island and just to stay away from the obvious (Michael), and I’ll go with Locke as an alternate.[/quote]
    I changed my mind. I want Ben and Michael (the obvious choice). Originally I thought Locke might be off the island since he’s going to the Orchid with Ben and maybe leaves the island with him….but I think Ben stays and “mans” the island.[/quote]
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Hammer, did you mean to say you think Locke stays to man the island? I agree with that, although I think Ben remains on the island too, but he has the ability to come and go.

    And I’ll choose the same characters as you for who I think is in the coffin, but I’ll switch them. Michael is my #1 choice, and I’ll be very surprised if it’s anyone but him. The teenage son, being from New York, and the lack of attendees at the funeral make me think it’s him. However, if forced to pick an alternate, I could see Ben as the only other reasonable possibility.

    (Actually, I won’t be too surprised if I’m wrong – I’m pretty bad at predicting things like this)[/quote]
    ++++++++++
    Yes ToeKnee, thanks, my mind was on Locke, but I typed Ben. I think Locke stays on the island.

  525. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="223328"]
    (timelines, vile vortices and tangent universes must be aligning. what next whispers start to SPEAK UP?)
    8^)[/quote]
    One can only hope!

  526. docjock says:

    It just occurred to me that we have seen someone leave this mortal coil and return to the land of the living (or at least have been told to believe it happened) –

    The psychic’s daughter (Ekko’s visit) (she drowned)

    Seems significant and odd

    * Aaron is the key

  527. ESB says:

    [quote comment="223341"]I was wondering if any one could accurately remember if Kate was shocked that Jack went to the funeral. If she was surprised he went this would fuel Ben-in-the-casket theory. He does have his need to “fix things” or get closure or whatever.

    I also thought Charlotte was the name of the psychic’s daughter that Claire saw who told her about raising Aaron. If this Charlotte is the same as that Charlotte then she might be a foster kid with no real family or friends from being shuffled around, thus no one would come to her funeral.

    I do realize it’s probably not Charlotte, I agree it must be some one we already met at the time of the ep but Charlotte is plausible (to me at least)and is a weirdo-back-of-my-mind-theory.[/quote]
    *********************************

    Charlotte is the name of the psychics daughter but it is not the same Charlotte that is on the island…i already checked on that…;)

    and i don’t think there is any reason, based on what Sun or anyone else said, to believe that Jin is really dead…the O6 is lying about everything…now, the fact that he is on the boat is another matter…;)

    and i still say it’s either Walt (a stretch) or Michael (obvious choice) in the coffin…but what do i know…;)

    can’t wait for the finale…

  528. ESB says:

    Charlotte Malkin is the psychics daughter and she is Australian and Charlotte Lewis is the one on the island and she is British…

    I also agree with an earlier post that Charlotte Lewis is hot…the fatc that she might be evil makes her more so, haha ;)

  529. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="223385"]
    1. To get even with her father.
    2. Widmore is the other person she blames for Jin’s “death” and she wants to go toe to toe.
    3. Jin is actually alive and she wants to use Paik resources to find the island again. She is the new Widmore.[/quote]
    I like 1 and 3 but I think for some reason Sun blames Jack for the death of Jin. The whole “we are in shock, Jack” and the press confernce leads me to believe that Jack does something or has done something. I think CS got it right from the beginning when he tells Jack you can’t save everyone. Now you you got me thinking Jin is still alive.

  530. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="223623"]
    * Aaron is the key[/quote]
    The key to what? them getting of the island?

  531. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="223318"] It seemed like the writers were really building him up for something and now he’s all but an afterthought – almost to the point where re-including him in the story would be awkward and random…[/quote]
    With time-travel or time-displacement a real possibility with this show, I wouldn’t rule out Walt. We saw last year’s finale jump about 3 years into the future. We don’t really know how far into the future the show’s timeline might possibly be.

  532. Rita says:

    [quote comment="223641"][quote comment="223385"]
    1. To get even with her father.
    2. Widmore is the other person she blames for Jin’s “death” and she wants to go toe to toe.
    3. Jin is actually alive and she wants to use Paik resources to find the island again. She is the new Widmore.[/quote]
    I like 1 and 3 but I think for some reason Sun blames Jack for the death of Jin. The whole “we are in shock, Jack” and the press confernce leads me to believe that Jack does something or has done something. I think CS got it right from the beginning when he tells Jack you can’t save everyone. Now you you got me thinking Jin is still alive.[/quote]
    ****************************
    Check out my post #201. Sun’s comment fits my theory, that the O6 left the island through the orchid station/teleportation device. They ARE in shock, because they just teleported to where-ever. I think Jack was instrumental in deciding who got to leave through the device (probably could only take so many at once…) so he feels responsible for everyone, as usual.
    Also on my post #201, I said that I think Jin will live, but that Sun will think he dies, when the ship blows up. She will jump overboard and be picked up by the returning boat and taken back to the island, where she will then have an opportunity to join back up with Jack and co.

  533. EkosRevenge says:

    I’m sure Widmore had a role with the Oceanic payoff to the 6. He probably owns Oceanic itself. Which can explain a lot if you think about it…

  534. Rita says:

    [quote comment="223655"][quote comment="223641"][quote comment="223385"]
    1. To get even with her father.
    2. Widmore is the other person she blames for Jin’s “death” and she wants to go toe to toe.
    3. Jin is actually alive and she wants to use Paik resources to find the island again. She is the new Widmore.[/quote]
    I like 1 and 3 but I think for some reason Sun blames Jack for the death of Jin. The whole “we are in shock, Jack” and the press confernce leads me to believe that Jack does something or has done something. I think CS got it right from the beginning when he tells Jack you can’t save everyone. Now you you got me thinking Jin is still alive.[/quote]
    ****************************
    Check out my post #201. Sun’s comment fits my theory, that the O6 left the island through the orchid station/teleportation device. They ARE in shock, because they just teleported to where-ever. I think Jack was instrumental in deciding who got to leave through the device (probably could only take so many at once…) so he feels responsible for everyone, as usual.
    Also on my post #201, I said that I think Jin will live, but that Sun will think he dies, when the ship blows up. She will jump overboard and be picked up by the returning boat and taken back to the island, where she will then have an opportunity to join back up with Jack and co.[/quote]
    ***************************
    Just my (probably wrong) theory. Can’t wait to find out if I am right!

  535. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="223655"][quote comment="223641"][quote comment="223385"]
    1. To get even with her father.
    2. Widmore is the other person she blames for Jin’s “death” and she wants to go toe to toe.
    3. Jin is actually alive and she wants to use Paik resources to find the island again. She is the new Widmore.[/quote]
    I like 1 and 3 but I think for some reason Sun blames Jack for the death of Jin. The whole “we are in shock, Jack” and the press confernce leads me to believe that Jack does something or has done something. I think CS got it right from the beginning when he tells Jack you can’t save everyone. Now you you got me thinking Jin is still alive.[/quote]
    ****************************
    Check out my post #201. Sun’s comment fits my theory, that the O6 left the island through the orchid station/teleportation device. They ARE in shock, because they just teleported to where-ever. I think Jack was instrumental in deciding who got to leave through the device (probably could only take so many at once…) so he feels responsible for everyone, as usual.
    Also on my post #201, I said that I think Jin will live, but that Sun will think he dies, when the ship blows up. She will jump overboard and be picked up by the returning boat and taken back to the island, where she will then have an opportunity to join back up with Jack and co.[/quote]
    ———–
    If Sun thinks Jin is dead, that would go against her wanting to get back to the island to find Jin. I am also not sure if the O6 leave the island through the same means as Ben. I am assuming of course, that when Ben leaves the island he ends up in the future, whereas the O6 rescue seemed relatively close to the actual current timeline. But on a whole I like your idea.

  536. ESB says:

    this has probably been said, but Sun could be lying about Jin’s death (and maybe left him behind also, promising to ‘come back’ later somehow)to protect him from her father…after all he didn’t really kill her lover like he was supposed to or the other guy that he just beat up instead…and her father definitely did not want him married to Sun…this would also explain why she wants to take over her fathers compnay…if she can take away his ‘power’ then Jin would be safe from him…hmm…i dunno, just a thought and i apologize if it’s not an original on this blog…;) i just don’t think tat they are really going to kil Jin off…

  537. Rita says:

    [quote comment="223670"]this has probably been said, but Sun could be lying about Jin’s death (and maybe left him behind also, promising to ‘come back’ later somehow)to protect him from her father…after all he didn’t really kill her lover like he was supposed to or the other guy that he just beat up instead…and her father definitely did not want him married to Sun…this would also explain why she wants to take over her fathers compnay…if she can take away his ‘power’ then Jin would be safe from him…hmm…i dunno, just a thought and i apologize if it’s not an original on this blog…;) i just don’t think tat they are really going to kil Jin off…[/quote]
    ************************
    I agree that Jin won’t likely be killed, but I think Sun will THINK he is killed. I’m not sure that we really KNOW that Sun wants to come back to the island at this point. She seems more about revenge, against the 2 people she feels are responsible for Jin’s death (her father maybe? and…..?) I expect a Jin/Sun reunion later in another season.

  538. ESB says:

    [quote comment="223672"][quote comment="223670"]this has probably been said, but Sun could be lying about Jin’s death (and maybe left him behind also, promising to ‘come back’ later somehow)to protect him from her father…after all he didn’t really kill her lover like he was supposed to or the other guy that he just beat up instead…and her father definitely did not want him married to Sun…this would also explain why she wants to take over her fathers compnay…if she can take away his ‘power’ then Jin would be safe from him…hmm…i dunno, just a thought and i apologize if it’s not an original on this blog…;) i just don’t think tat they are really going to kil Jin off…[/quote]
    ************************
    I agree that Jin won’t likely be killed, but I think Sun will THINK he is killed. I’m not sure that we really KNOW that Sun wants to come back to the island at this point. She seems more about revenge, against the 2 people she feels are responsible for Jin’s death (her father maybe? and…..?) I expect a Jin/Sun reunion later in another season.[/quote]

    yeah, i gotcha…i don’t think Sun WANTS to go back to the island, and i don’t think Jun is dead/going to die…other than that, my mind changes every hour or so…REALLY wish the finale was this week…;)

  539. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="223673"]
    yeah, i gotcha…i don’t think Sun WANTS to go back to the island, and i don’t think Jun is dead/going to die.[/quote]
    That’s where I disagree. I like Circusmom’s point number 3
    “3. Jin is actually alive and she wants to use Paik resources to find the island again. “

  540. ESB says:

    [quote comment="223675"][quote comment="223673"]
    yeah, i gotcha…i don’t think Sun WANTS to go back to the island, and i don’t think Jun is dead/going to die.[/quote]
    That’s where I disagree. I like Circusmom’s point number 3
    “3. Jin is actually alive and she wants to use Paik resources to find the island again. “[/quote]

    **********************

    yeah, and i can get on board with that for sure…but why? we assume to get Jin, right? so all i mean is that she doesn’t WANT to go back to the island but has to because Jin is still there…i just meant that i don’t think she wants to go back to the island like Jack or Hurley want to go back…if Jin was with her she wouldn’t care about going back, in my opinion…i TOTALLY agree that Jin is still alive…

  541. lost4ever says:

    Schedule update

    Part 1 will air next week again before the 2 hour finale with an expanded version of the press conference.

  542. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="223279"][quote comment="223276"][quote]
    Do mean cracks in the concrete? JK. :)
    [/quote]
    The only thing I see cracks in… are the Wings defense. NK :)[/quote]
    Hmmmmm….trash talking before the game is over….death(early summer)sentence.[/quote]
    Sorry DocH, it’s just bad karma. :)

  543. ESB says:

    [quote comment="223682"]Schedule update

    Part 1 will air next week again before the 2 hour finale with an expanded version of the press conference.[/quote]

    **************************

    hey, can you clue me in as to where i can find a good screen cap of THE coffin? don’t have the dvd’s with me here at work…;)

  544. PJSander says:

    Regarding Sun and Jin and the island:

    My opinion is that Jin IS alive, and Sun knows it. I think that she DOES want to go back to the island and ALWAYS has, which is why she isn’t conflicted like Hurley is and Jack becomes.

    My guess is that the original O6 are coerced into the lie by Oceanic, which has probably been bought by Paik and / or Widmore when the share prices dropped down to near nothing after the crash (if either of the men didn’t already own it). But I also suspect that the O6 AGREED to the lie because they were promised that their friends would eventually be rescued.

    Sun wants to go back from Day 1.

    Ben convinces Sayid that working for him is the only way to get his friends rescued.

    Jack expects “someone” to follow through and rescue the others, but realizes that isn’t going to happen and that is when he starts his spiral.

    JMO,
    : ) P

  545. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="223685"]Regarding Sun and Jin and the island:

    My opinion is that Jin IS alive, and Sun knows it. I think that she DOES want to go back to the island and ALWAYS has, which is why she isn’t conflicted like Hurley is and Jack becomes.

    My guess is that the original O6 are coerced into the lie by Oceanic, which has probably been bought by Paik and / or Widmore when the share prices dropped down to near nothing after the crash (if either of the men didn’t already own it). But I also suspect that the O6 AGREED to the lie because they were promised that their friends would eventually be rescued.

    Sun wants to go back from Day 1.

    Ben convinces Sayid that working for him is the only way to get his friends rescued.

    Jack expects “someone” to follow through and rescue the others, but realizes that isn’t going to happen and that is when he starts his spiral.

    JMO,
    : ) P[/quote]
    ———
    I like your opinion. I disagree on two points though. I don’t think Oceanic or Ben came up with the lie. As I posted in comment 311, it sounds more like a Locke/Jack type of story, full of holes, made up in the spur of the moment.
    I think also that Jack’s downward spiral began with the revelation of Claire being his sister.

  546. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="223684"][quote comment="223682"]Schedule update

    Part 1 will air next week again before the 2 hour finale with an expanded version of the press conference.[/quote]

    **************************

    hey, can you clue me in as to where i can find a good screen cap of THE coffin? don’t have the dvd’s with me here at work…;)[/quote]
    —————
    lost-media is a great place for screencaps.

    http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1300-1134.html

  547. ESB says:

    [quote comment="223685"]Regarding Sun and Jin and the island:

    My opinion is that Jin IS alive, and Sun knows it. I think that she DOES want to go back to the island and ALWAYS has, which is why she isn’t conflicted like Hurley is and Jack becomes.

    My guess is that the original O6 are coerced into the lie by Oceanic, which has probably been bought by Paik and / or Widmore when the share prices dropped down to near nothing after the crash (if either of the men didn’t already own it). But I also suspect that the O6 AGREED to the lie because they were promised that their friends would eventually be rescued.

    Sun wants to go back from Day 1.

    Ben convinces Sayid that working for him is the only way to get his friends rescued.

    Jack expects “someone” to follow through and rescue the others, but realizes that isn’t going to happen and that is when he starts his spiral.

    JMO,
    : ) P[/quote]

    *****************

    all of this sounds good to me…but i still think the only reason she wants to go back is for Jin…and maybe the ony reason she left is so she could have her baby off the island…guess we’ll have to see what happens and how much is ‘explained’ in the last episode…trying to not get my hopes up too much because for every question this show answers, it creates three more…;)

  548. ESB says:

    [quote comment="223691"][quote comment="223684"][quote comment="223682"]Schedule update

    Part 1 will air next week again before the 2 hour finale with an expanded version of the press conference.[/quote]

    **************************

    hey, can you clue me in as to where i can find a good screen cap of THE coffin? don’t have the dvd’s with me here at work…;)[/quote]
    —————
    lost-media is a great place for screencaps.

    http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1300-1134.html%5B/quote%5D

    ++++++++++++++

    cool, thanks!

  549. ESB says:

    [quote comment="223691"][quote comment="223684"][quote comment="223682"]Schedule update

    Part 1 will air next week again before the 2 hour finale with an expanded version of the press conference.[/quote]

    **************************

    hey, can you clue me in as to where i can find a good screen cap of THE coffin? don’t have the dvd’s with me here at work…;)[/quote]
    —————
    lost-media is a great place for screencaps.

    http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1300-1134.html%5B/quote%5D

    ******************************

    cool, thanks!
    i KNOW this has been beat to death but it’s so strange how the coffin looks normal sized from a distance but when Jack is standing right next to it and the view is from above, it looks small…weird….

  550. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="223695"]
    i KNOW this has been beat to death but it’s so strange how the coffin looks normal sized from a distance but when Jack is standing right next to it and the view is from above, it looks small…weird….[/quote]
    Here is the article which clearly states “MAN FOUND”, so I hope we can end the discussion of Walt being in the casket because it may appear smaller.

  551. ESB says:

    [quote comment="223698"][quote comment="223695"]
    i KNOW this has been beat to death but it’s so strange how the coffin looks normal sized from a distance but when Jack is standing right next to it and the view is from above, it looks small…weird….[/quote]
    Here is the article which clearly states “MAN FOUND”, so I hope we can end the discussion of Walt being in the casket because it may appear smaller.

    http://images.lostpedia.com/images/a/aa/Article_small.jpg%5B/quote%5D

    ********************
    it’s cool, just making a comment on the screen caps and how they look different from different distances…

  552. Lins says:

    [quote comment="223385"]3. Jin is actually alive and she wants to use Paik resources to find the island again. She is the new Widmore.[/quote]

    So hmm…if she’s the new Widmore…maybe Sun is the Economist. I think the German chick referred to the Economist as a “he” but that could have been a cover…

  553. Rita says:

    [quote comment="223702"][quote comment="223385"]3. Jin is actually alive and she wants to use Paik resources to find the island again. She is the new Widmore.[/quote]

    So hmm…if she’s the new Widmore…maybe Sun is the Economist. I think the German chick referred to the Economist as a “he” but that could have been a cover…[/quote]
    **********************************
    I can’t see Sayid killing Sun. Ever.

  554. DocH says:

    Thinking back about this episode, I’d have to say the biggest surprise for me was Nadia showing-up to meet Sayid.

    I am a little rusty on her backstory so researched at – http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Nadia

    I forgot how many connections she has to other characters. Locke in LA. Charlie in London. Medical Lab Tech in Irvine, CA. (Miles backyard).

    I was reading someone criticizing the kiss they had. Then I thought – that was there first – ever. Not as kids, as captor, or 7 years of trying to locate her, never a kiss. Nice that they have each other now… too bad that we know how it ends.

    But I am wary. Someone, somewhere
    has to be pulling her strings – and not for good purposes either. How did anyone know to contact her? Did she claim the loss of Sayid publicly after the crash? Who’d believe her if she’d been dodging him for 7 years? Who got her access to the Coast Guard base? (String pullers I say). I think the rest of the finale will have a BIG reveal for her backstory, if not, then she will be very prominent in the start of Season 5.
    Dropping her into the story from out of the blue = suspicion.

  555. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="223707"]I’d have to say the biggest surprise for me was Nadia showing-up to meet Sayid.
    [/quote]
    I didn’t think that was a surprise at all. We know that she was married and killed within 9 months of the rescue. She had to show up at some point.
    What about Claire’s mother being “alive and well” at the CS wake. The last time we saw her she was in a vegetative state for “many years” according to Lostpedia. When CS visited, he suggested to Claire to pull the plug.

  556. ESB says:

    [quote comment="223706"][quote comment="223702"][quote comment="223385"]3. Jin is actually alive and she wants to use Paik resources to find the island again. She is the new Widmore.[/quote]

    So hmm…if she’s the new Widmore…maybe Sun is the Economist. I think the German chick referred to the Economist as a “he” but that could have been a cover…[/quote]
    **********************************
    I can’t see Sayid killing Sun. Ever.[/quote]

    ++++++++++++++++

    don’t know if it makes sense on any level but i like the direction that Sun being the Economist could take the show in…;)

  557. Lisa says:

    I love reading this Blog. Everyone has so many insightful idea’s. Here is my coffin thoughts.
    I am going to say first Ben then Locke. I want it to be a surprise so I am not leaning towards Kevin/Michael. I think that in true lost style we will all be surprised. I know that we have been leading up to this for weeks and Michael just seems like a let down. I keep thinking back to Kate not wanting to go and I know that she would have no interest in going to see Ben or Locke.

  558. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="223682"]Schedule update

    Part 1 will air next week again before the 2 hour finale with an expanded version of the press conference.[/quote]
    Great news! I’m glad Lost won’t have to follow Grey’s Anatomy anymore this season – it really ticked me off that GA would end at 10:02 or whatever, cutting into our Lost time.

  559. LOST24 says:

    Forgive me if this has already been brought up in this thread. I haven’t got time to read through all 500+ posts. What does everyone think happens to Jin? Watching Sun walk away with Claire’s baby, then look back at the door gave me a feeling she may not see Jin again. At the very least, she’s not going to be able to get close to him. I think Jin, Dez or Michael will end up having to make the ultimate sacrifice. My money’s on Jin.

  560. ESB says:

    [quote comment="223724"]Forgive me if this has already been brought up in this thread. I haven’t got time to read through all 500+ posts. What does everyone think happens to Jin? Watching Sun walk away with Claire’s baby, then look back at the door gave me a feeling she may not see Jin again. At the very least, she’s not going to be able to get close to him. I think Jin, Dez or Michael will end up having to make the ultimate sacrifice. My money’s on Jin.[/quote]

    that has been a BIG point of interest on this blog…with some thinking that he lives (i’m one of those) and some thinking he dies…one thing seems pretty clear either way and that is that Sun won’t be seeing him again any time soon (if ever;)…if there is an ultimate scrafice to be made, i think it will be by Michael, who is clearly still searching for redemption and forgiveness…

  561. Lins says:

    [quote comment="223711"][quote comment="223706"][quote comment="223702"][quote comment="223385"]3. Jin is actually alive and she wants to use Paik resources to find the island again. She is the new Widmore.[/quote]

    So hmm…if she’s the new Widmore…maybe Sun is the Economist. I think the German chick referred to the Economist as a “he” but that could have been a cover…[/quote]
    **********************************
    I can’t see Sayid killing Sun. Ever.[/quote]

    ++++++++++++++++

    don’t know if it makes sense on any level but i like the direction that Sun being the Economist could take the show in…;)[/quote]

    ***********************
    Just friendly speculation…plus I don’t think Sayid knows who the Economist is so that would be a big reveal and struggle for him. I don’t think he could kill Sun either though, but after watching Ben’s little smirk after he “recruited” Sayid, it wouldn’t surprise me if the next name he had on his “list” was someone shocking like Sun.

  562. ESB says:

    [quote comment="223754"][quote comment="223711"][quote comment="223706"][quote comment="223702"][quote comment="223385"]3. Jin is actually alive and she wants to use Paik resources to find the island again. She is the new Widmore.[/quote]

    So hmm…if she’s the new Widmore…maybe Sun is the Economist. I think the German chick referred to the Economist as a “he” but that could have been a cover…[/quote]
    **********************************
    I can’t see Sayid killing Sun. Ever.[/quote]

    ++++++++++++++++

    don’t know if it makes sense on any level but i like the direction that Sun being the Economist could take the show in…;)[/quote]

    ***********************
    Just friendly speculation…plus I don’t think Sayid knows who the Economist is so that would be a big reveal and struggle for him. I don’t think he could kill Sun either though, but after watching Ben’s little smirk after he “recruited” Sayid, it wouldn’t surprise me if the next name he had on his “list” was someone shocking like Sun.[/quote]

    *********************

    haha, yeah…it would TOTALLY be a Ben thing to do…have Sayid go after someone he was friends/friendly with on the island…honestly, i still have a problem with Sayid even working for/with Ben at all…i have a hard time buying it regardless of the motivation…but since it was in the script guess we just have to live with it…;)

  563. DocH says:

    [quote comment="223710"]
    I’d have to say the biggest surprise for me was Nadia showing-up to meet Sayid.
    [/quote]

    [quote comment="223707"]
    I didn’t think that was a surprise at all. We know that she was married and killed within 9 months of the rescue. She had to show up at some point.

    What about Claire’s mother being “alive and well” at the CS wake…
    [/quote]
    Okay… not MY surprise… I put myself in the shoes of the character I am referring to.

    Sayid (put on his shoes!)… searching for many years for the one thing he cares about… Survives a plane crash AND a terrible three and a half month ordeal avoiding the island nasties THEN gets exactly what he was searching for before the crash. (suspicious?). I don’t care about what WE know… we know too much. Sayid’s perspective is the one that counts.

    As for Jack. (Put on his shoes…) Mrs. Littleton telling him, after an emotional eulogy, that Claire was his sister (ergo Aaron equals nephew) has to be huge for him. We don’t know her recent backstory yet, but we know his trial & tribulations to the Nth degree. She may be key too… Why so healthy? Why unload on Jack? Why now? Sounds like Nadia Senior to me… someone important is pulling evil strings!

  564. ESB says:

    [quote comment="223762"][quote comment="223710"]
    I’d have to say the biggest surprise for me was Nadia showing-up to meet Sayid.
    [/quote]

    [quote comment="223707"]
    I didn’t think that was a surprise at all. We know that she was married and killed within 9 months of the rescue. She had to show up at some point.

    What about Claire’s mother being “alive and well” at the CS wake…
    [/quote]
    Okay… not MY surprise… I put myself in the shoes of the character I am referring to.

    Sayid (put on his shoes!)… searching for many years for the one thing he cares about… Survives a plane crash AND a terrible three and a half month ordeal avoiding the island nasties THEN gets exactly what he was searching for before the crash. (suspicious?). I don’t care about what WE know… we know too much. Sayid’s perspective is the one that counts.

    As for Jack. (Put on his shoes…) Mrs. Littleton telling him, after an emotional eulogy, that Claire was his sister (ergo Aaron equals nephew) has to be huge for him. We don’t know her recent backstory yet, but we know his trial & tribulations to the Nth degree. She may be key too… Why so healthy? Why unload on Jack? Why now? Sounds like Nadia Senior to me… someone important is pulling evil strings![/quote]

    yep…Mrs Littleton being all alive and healthy (seeming anyways) is a little like Juliet’s sister being all alive and healthy seeming anyways), wouldn’t you say? and who was supposedly responsible for Rachel Carson’s recovery? your friend and mine, Ben Linus…good stuff, good stuff….

  565. DocH says:

    [quote comment="223683"]
    Sorry DocH, it’s just bad karma.
    [/quote]
    yep… had to take my best shot. Always BAD when the two best teams in the league have to meet in the semis. Cudos, but your 4-0, 4-1 call was off. I see Wings in 4-1 for the next.

    Feel better & enjoy! My Arizona neighbor had me over for BBQ & the game in her media room. She’s a 40 year devoted Red-Winger and she punished me severely in you stead. (I’ll get your Lone Star beers and TX T-Bones to Fed-Ex tomorrow.)

    As for LOST, I am now completely & totally undistracted… and looking forward to debunking all things ‘WHISPER’.
    [;^)

  566. RGS says:

    Just a thought on the Desmond vision of Claire and Aaron getting on a helicopter, they could possibly do it in like Season 6, after Jack and whoever go back to the island. It would be a tricky way, since we all assumed (and probably rightfully so) Aaron was just a baby.

  567. DocH says:

    LOST 4 EVER.

    Quotes from Comment 563, and after, appear flipped. sorry must be my bad. the web (here) is not refreshing in less than 5 minutes.
    folks need to read higher up (for accurate quotes).

    WGNABB !
    we’re gonna need a bigger blog

  568. ESB says:

    [quote comment="223774"]LOST 4 EVER.

    Quotes from Comment 563, and after, appear flipped. sorry must be my bad. the web (here) is not refreshing in less than 5 minutes.
    folks need to read higher up (for accurate quotes).

    WGNABB !
    we’re gonna need a bigger blog[/quote]

    hey, sorry about not seperating my comment from yours when i quoted…i hate it when that happens…

  569. Rita says:

    [quote comment="223773"]Just a thought on the Desmond vision of Claire and Aaron getting on a helicopter, they could possibly do it in like Season 6, after Jack and whoever go back to the island. It would be a tricky way, since we all assumed (and probably rightfully so) Aaron was just a baby.[/quote]
    *****************************
    I’ve thought about this too. Actually, Desmond said that if things didn’t go exactly as he saw them, then the vision would not happen. Even if Charlie did everything right, I guess that if someone else did something different (even Desmond), then the vision would be changed, so it might not happen at all. Interestingly though, if I remember right, it is the only one of his visions that we never saw – still not really sure if he made it up, or if (as you guess) they didn’t want to reveal to us that Aaron was not a baby. Good point.

  570. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="223774"]LOST 4 EVER.

    Quotes from Comment 563, and after, appear flipped. sorry must be my bad. the web (here) is not refreshing in less than 5 minutes.
    folks need to read higher up (for accurate quotes).

    WGNABB !
    we’re gonna need a bigger blog[/quote]
    It’s been doing that too me also. Sorry for misinterpreting your comment. I assumed you meant you personally were surprised. I agree with you that it should be a total shocker to Sayid.

  571. Lins says:

    Ok, just thinking here…but I’m assuming that “moving the island” means moving the island in time, not the actual location of the island so the question becomes “when” is the island, not necessarily “where”, is that right?

    If so, then do you think it will be moved forward or backward in time? What possible issues could this create moving back in time? Would people that are dead suddenly be alive again (Danielle, Karl, Boone, Shannon, Alex, Libby, etc…) or would Mr. or Mrs. Coffin-Dweller be dead even if they were alive? That doesn’t sound like it makes sense…but what are the rules here with time travel? Would the whisperers suddenly become alive and be able to communicate face to face? How does moving the island effect the dead or soon to be dead?

    Maybe that’s why Sun thinks Jin is dead, she saw him die before the island “moved” so really he’s alive? Do things go back to how they were if the island is moved to a past time, like will events that already happened happen again?

    Oh the torture of questions that we really have no answers to!!

  572. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="223776"][quote comment="223773"]Just a thought on the Desmond vision of Claire and Aaron getting on a helicopter, they could possibly do it in like Season 6, after Jack and whoever go back to the island. It would be a tricky way, since we all assumed (and probably rightfully so) Aaron was just a baby.[/quote]
    *****************************
    I’ve thought about this too. Actually, Desmond said that if things didn’t go exactly as he saw them, then the vision would not happen. Even if Charlie did everything right, I guess that if someone else did something different (even Desmond), then the vision would be changed, so it might not happen at all. Interestingly though, if I remember right, it is the only one of his visions that we never saw – still not really sure if he made it up, or if (as you guess) they didn’t want to reveal to us that Aaron was not a baby. Good point.[/quote]

    °°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°

    “Even if Charlie did everything right, I guess that if someone else did something different (even Desmond), then the vision would be changed, so it might not happen at all.”

    You mean, like… if Charlie SURVIVED? *big grin*

    (Couldn’t help it, you KNOW I had to take that bait!)

    : ) P

  573. DocH says:

    [quote comment="223778"]
    It’s been doing that too me also. Sorry for misinterpreting your comment. I assumed you meant you personally were surprised. I agree with you that it should be a total shocker to Sayid.
    [/quote]
    You didn’t misinterpret. I did not take the time to elaborate. I personally tend to “universalize” (group-voice/group-think). I almost always write from a ‘facilitators’ point-of-view.

    (I need to learn to personalize more – three teen daughters make me a first class tightrope-walker & negotiator.) :)

  574. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="223710"]What about Claire’s mother being “alive and well” at the CS wake. The last time we saw her she was in a vegetative state for “many years” according to Lostpedia. When CS visited, he suggested to Claire to pull the plug.[/quote]

    Hmmm… okay, I think that L-O-L delirium is already setting in (Lack Of LOST), but Claire’s mother going from a vegetative state coma to healthy enough for transpacific air travel in a matter of a year or so *IS* very odd. Could Christian Shepherd have somehow had a hand in getting her to the island (or another of the vortices) to get healthy?

    : ) P

  575. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="223773"]Just a thought on the Desmond vision of Claire and Aaron getting on a helicopter, they could possibly do it in like Season 6, after Jack and whoever go back to the island. It would be a tricky way, since we all assumed (and probably rightfully so) Aaron was just a baby.[/quote]
    I like your idea but here are the transcripts.

    DESMOND: What I saw, Charlie, was Claire and her baby getting into a helicopter. A helicopter that lifts off–leaves this Island.
    CHARLIE: Are you sure?
    DESMOND: Aye.
    CHARLIE: A rescue helicopter on this beach?
    [Desmond nods]

    He said her baby. That does not necessarily have to mean Aaron though.

    New podcast came out and they confirmed what most of us suspected about last season’s Finale and the island stopping Jack from comitting suicide.
    They also said that the island would not let Widmore, Ben, and Jack die UNTIL the island was finished with them.

  576. DocH says:

    [quote comment="223775"]
    hey, sorry about not seperating my comment from yours when i quoted…i hate it when that happens…
    [/quote]
    it’s not you … it’s me.

    (I hope that doesn’t bring back bad memories.)

    [8)

  577. Lins says:

    [quote comment="223793"]
    New podcast came out and they confirmed what most of us suspected about last season’s Finale and the island stopping Jack from comitting suicide.
    They also said that the island would not let Widmore, Ben, and Jack die UNTIL the island was finished with them.[/quote]

    ****************
    Interesting that they only included those three…looks like time may be up for dear old Michael (cough and say under breath – “coffin”). ;)

  578. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="223791"] Could Christian Shepherd have somehow had a hand in getting her to the island (or another of the vortices) to get healthy?

    : ) P[/quote]
    Or maybe Ben or the island healed her in some agreement with Claire, as Ben did for Juliet and her sister. Another MIRACLE.

  579. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="223707"]I was reading someone criticizing the kiss they had. Then I thought – that was there first – ever. Not as kids, as captor, or 7 years of trying to locate her, never a kiss. Nice that they have each other now… too bad that we know how it ends.[/quote]

    I went back through the posts, and I was the only one who complained about anything, so I think you were thinking of my post (#151). However, I said I was disappointed in the REUNION rather than the kiss itself. My exact words were “I am wholly disappointed with the Nadia reunion. Don’t get me wrong, I LOVED that it happened, but sheesh, a little BUILD UP would have made it SO much better. Remind us how long Sayid has PINED for her, or something! LOL”

    [quote comment="223707"]But I am wary. Someone, somewhere has to be pulling [Nadia's] strings – and not for good purposes either. How did anyone know to contact her? Did she claim the loss of Sayid publicly after the crash? Who’d believe her if she’d been dodging him for 7 years? Who got her access to the Coast Guard base? (String pullers I say). I think the rest of the finale will have a BIG reveal for her backstory, if not, then she will be very prominent in the start of Season 5.
    Dropping her into the story from out of the blue = suspicion.[/quote]

    Sayid’s name would have been INTERNATIONAL news several days, so I think her hearing about him, and pulling some strings of her own to get there (perhaps getting a press pas) is not THAT out of the ordinary.

    That said, she DOES have some curious Lostie connections, so perhaps she is a marionette of one of the bigger players.

    : ) P

  580. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="223724"]Forgive me if this has already been brought up in this thread. I haven’t got time to read through all 500+ posts. What does everyone think happens to Jin? Watching Sun walk away with Claire’s baby, then look back at the door gave me a feeling she may not see Jin again. At the very least, she’s not going to be able to get close to him. I think Jin, Dez or Michael will end up having to make the ultimate sacrifice. My money’s on Jin.[/quote]
    You dont have to read all the posts to find what you are looking for. Hit CTRL and F at the same time and you can search for Jin. I think all of what you said was mentioned at least once here.

  581. DocH says:

    re: I was reading someone criticizing the kiss they had…
    [quote comment="223797"]
    I went back through the posts, and I was the only one who complained about anything… [/quote]
    I am flattered that you took issue with my KIssue. But I was talking about another weblog that I frequent… and not talking about the concern you raised. This is uncomfortable for me. (Like talking with your mistress about your wife. HYPOTHETICALLY!)

  582. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="223801"] But I was talking about another weblog that I frequent… and not talking about the concern you raised. This is uncomfortable for me. (Like talking with your mistress about your wife. HYPOTHETICALLY!)[/quote]
    Still “foddering” DocH.

  583. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="223801"]re: I was reading someone criticizing the kiss they had…
    [quote comment="223797"]
    I went back through the posts, and I was the only one who complained about anything… [/quote]
    I am flattered that you took issue with my KIssue. But I was talking about another weblog that I frequent… and not talking about the concern you raised. This is uncomfortable for me. (Like talking with your mistress about your wife. HYPOTHETICALLY!)[/quote]

    °°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°

    LOL.

    Drop the discomfort! All is well. I didn’t take exception to what you had said at ALL (or issue with your KISSue – LOL). I was just clarifying a remark I had made more than 400 posts ago! Because you know what, the more I think about it, the more I am mad that the reunion wasn’t MORE special for them!

    But I think I am going to get over it now because it isn’t like my grumbling can CHANGE anything! LOL

    : ) P

    ps – talking to your mistress about your wife is preferable to talking to your wife about your mistress – or so I hear

  584. DocH says:

    [quote comment="223797"]
    Sayid’s name would have been INTERNATIONAL news several days, so I think her hearing about him, and pulling some strings of her own to get there (perhaps getting a press pas) is not THAT out of the ordinary.

    That said, she DOES have some curious Lostie connections, so perhaps she is a marionette of one of the bigger players.
    [/quote]
    I agree that the “Sayid Jarrah” name (plus 5) would get global exposure for a few days, and that it is very likely that Nadia saw him on the nightly news, and said ‘there he is, he’s alive!’ But she is not part of the press, and she did not get a press pass, because a press person with a press pass would have gotten into the press conference. Nadia showed-up after the press chat, with a security escort, and only after her name was brought before Sayid, with his consent, was she allowed to meet with him.

    I’ve been to dozens of these (press events) and… she was deliberately excluded… BUT… someone pulled strings to get her close to Sayid… immediately after Sayid returned to ‘civilization’.

  585. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="223804"][quote comment="223797"]
    Sayid’s name would have been INTERNATIONAL news several days, so I think her hearing about him, and pulling some strings of her own to get there (perhaps getting a press pas) is not THAT out of the ordinary.

    That said, she DOES have some curious Lostie connections, so perhaps she is a marionette of one of the bigger players.
    [/quote]
    I agree that the “Sayid Jarrah” name (plus 5) would get global exposure for a few days, and that it is very likely that Nadia saw him on the nightly news, and said ‘there he is, he’s alive!’ But she is not part of the press, and she did not get a press pass, because a press person with a press pass would have gotten into the press conference. Nadia showed-up after the press chat, with a security escort, and only after her name was brought before Sayid, with his consent, was she allowed to meet with him.

    I’ve been to dozens of these (press events) and… she was deliberately excluded… BUT… someone pulled strings to get her close to Sayid… immediately after Sayid returned to ‘civilization’.[/quote]
    ———
    She is from a wealthy family. I think Desmond said it best “With enough money and the right amount of determination, you can find anyone.”

  586. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="223801"]But I was talking about another weblog that I frequent… [/quote]

    Wait, you mean… you’re seeing other blogs?

    *sob*

    I didn’t think it would ever come to this!

    When?
    Do I know this sleazy little blog?
    For how long?

    *sob*

    : ) P (who has tongue planted firmly in cheek, for those who are, as yet, uninitiated)

  587. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="223804"]I agree that the “Sayid Jarrah” name (plus 5) would get global exposure for a few days, and that it is very likely that Nadia saw him on the nightly news, and said ‘there he is, he’s alive!’ But she is not part of the press, and she did not get a press pass, because a press person with a press pass would have gotten into the press conference. Nadia showed-up after the press chat, with a security escort, and only after her name was brought before Sayid, with his consent, was she allowed to meet with him.

    I’ve been to dozens of these (press events) and… she was deliberately excluded… BUT… someone pulled strings to get her close to Sayid… immediately after Sayid returned to ‘civilization’.[/quote]

    That’s fair, good point.

    : ) P

  588. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="223809"]She is from a wealthy family. I think Desmond said it best “With enough money and the right amount of determination, you can find anyone.”[/quote]

    Equally good point. *G*

    I don’t remember much about Nadia. How do we know she is from a wealthy family?

    : ) P

  589. DocH says:

    [quote comment="223801"]
    But I was talking about another weblog that I frequent… and not talking about the concern you raised. This is uncomfortable for me. (Like talking with your mistress about your wife…
    [/quote]
    [quote]
    Still foddering DocH?
    [/quote]
    Oh great!… everybody!… meet my significant other.

    It is always nice to have someone around that knows what you said, way back when (or just the other day) to keep you in check. L-4-E… we can agree to disagree… but I will always have your back.

  590. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="223814"][quote comment="223809"]She is from a wealthy family. I think Desmond said it best “With enough money and the right amount of determination, you can find anyone.”[/quote]

    Equally good point. *G*

    I don’t remember much about Nadia. How do we know she is from a wealthy family?

    : ) P[/quote]
    ————-
    This is from he show way back in Season 1 when Sayid first interrogates Nadia.

    NADIA: And your mother would tell my mother, “why must you pick on little Sayid.” And I’d answer, because he ignores me.
    SAYID: You had enough attention with your family’s wealth and your charm.

  591. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="223815"][quote comment="223801"]
    But I was talking about another weblog that I frequent… and not talking about the concern you raised. This is uncomfortable for me. (Like talking with your mistress about your wife…
    [/quote]
    [quote]
    Still foddering DocH?
    [/quote]
    Oh great!… everybody!… meet my significant other.

    It is always nice to have someone around that knows what you said, way back when (or just the other day) to keep you in check. L-4-E… we can agree to disagree… but I will always have your back.[/quote]
    ——-
    I still read that blog sometimes. It just got to be difficult to follow with all the @96…@110…@123, etc. Too much scrolling. And some people on their were always writing theses that seemed to be 3 pages long. I like this one much better.

  592. DocH says:

    [quote comment="223829"]
    … some people… were always writing theses that seemed to be 3 pages long. I like this one much better.
    [/quote]
    … no comment. I don’t kiss and tell.

    Actually. I have a second mistress (weblog) that I keep from everyone, but it fell off of the face of the earth when its’ webserver deleted the entire forum database without telling the site administrator.

    “Home is where you lay your head (scribe your comments).”

  593. JamieGirl says:

    “with enough money and determination, you can find anyone” – that was a quote by Penny.

  594. PJSander says:

    Important information from the podcast! The “re-air” of the first hour of NPLH pt 1, prior to the final two hours will have EXTRA footage of the news conference, including a few extra questions from the press!

    : ) P

  595. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="223961"]“with enough money and determination, you can find anyone” – that was a quote by Penny.[/quote]
    Nice. I knew it was one of them. Des just repeated to Charlie what Penny said to him. Now I am wondering if Sun feels the same way.
    Comment 541 PJ. :)

  596. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="223965"]
    Comment 541 PJ. :)[/quote]

    Oops, sorry, L4E! I saw the part about the episode repeating, but missed that you had already included that the news conference would be expanded. Mea culpa!

    : ) P

  597. DocH says:

    No Place Like Home = Rescued?,

    or

    No Place Like Home = Back on the island?

    Answers in 9 days… we haven’t seen enough of NPLH yet. (also next 9 months).

  598. intolost says:

    Huh…Well, if Ben is after Penny, maybe he would try and sic Sayid on Sun since Paik is in cahoots with Widmore. Based on the Economist ep., Ben has his claws deep into Sayid.

    Yes, I think Jin will make the sacrifice on the freighter.

    I’m curious to see what role Alpert will play.

    Jacob moves his cabin, so he knows how to move the island. I think it will be physically moving the island.

  599. CAG says:

    [quote comment=”223797

    I went back through the posts, and I was the only one who complained about anything, so I think you were thinking of my post (#151). However, I said I was disappointed in the REUNION rather than the kiss itself. My exact words were “I am wholly disappointed with the Nadia reunion. Don’t get me wrong, I LOVED that it happened, but sheesh, a little BUILD UP would have made it SO much better. Remind us how long Sayid has PINED for her, or something! LOL”[/quote]

    Keep in mind that this is a strike-shortened season, they might have had to eliminate a lot of the reunion story to fit this in before the finale.

  600. CAG says:

    Sorry, that last message was to PJSander … I’m not adept at the “quote-trimming” thing :)

  601. Rita says:

    [quote comment="223975"]
    Jacob moves his cabin, so he knows how to move the island. I think it will be physically moving the island.[/quote]
    *************************************
    I agree. If it moves in time, then it will be ALSO in time, not only in time. The move will be a physical one. Otherwise, why is it so hard to find the island for those who have been there? Why wouldn’t they know where it is? Yes yes, I know about the protective “bubble” around the island, but if it was always in one place, then Widmore et al. would have surrounded it looking for a way in. It HAS to be a physical moving. (Back to vile votices?)

  602. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="223769"][quote comment="223683"]
    Sorry DocH, it’s just bad karma.
    [/quote]
    yep… had to take my best shot. Always BAD when the two best teams in the league have to meet in the semis. Cudos, but your 4-0, 4-1 call was off. I see Wings in 4-1 for the next.

    Feel better & enjoy! My Arizona neighbor had me over for BBQ & the game in her media room. She’s a 40 year devoted Red-Winger and she punished me severely in you stead. (I’ll get your Lone Star beers and TX T-Bones to Fed-Ex tomorrow.)

    As for LOST, I am now completely & totally undistracted… and looking forward to debunking all things ‘WHISPER’.
    [;^)[/quote]

    Now that the Wings are in the finals, I have to concentrate on my Ballers. Didn’t look so hot yesterday, typical start for this group.

    We have Lone Star rest. here, so you can do an FTD type delivery. :)

    Still waiting for the Whisperers theory
    yay or nay….

  603. ESB says:

    [quote comment="223794"][quote comment="223775"]
    hey, sorry about not seperating my comment from yours when i quoted…i hate it when that happens…
    [/quote]
    it’s not you … it’s me.

    (I hope that doesn’t bring back bad memories.)

    [8)[/quote]

    *************************

    haha, if it should’ve, i didn’t remember…;)

  604. Tasha says:

    Okay so this is an odd post but I am sorry. I have not been here in a couple of days and I do not feel like reading all the comments. SO instead of putting input in I would like to say that I am depressed today because today is just one of those days that I wish I had crashed on a deserted island. I really think I need one of those LAA meetings. Anybody watch Mathew Fox on JK last night?

    Anyhow I saw that Lost was coming on tonight and I am sad.

    1. Because it’s gonna be the season finale soon. I know not tonight but still…

    2. Only 2 more seasons left.

    3. Because I miss everyone that died. (Or is gonna die)

    So I watched an old post on my blog…it’s one of my favorite Lost videos and I think it’s great to look back and see some of the great scenes from season 1:) The song is a little sappy but I love it and I MISS CHARLIE!!!!!!

    So now I am sharing it with my fellow lost fans since it was dedicated to all of them anyway:)

    http://mymommyathome.blogspot.com/2007/02/for-all-my-lost-fans.html

  605. Rita says:

    [quote comment="224168"]Okay so this is an odd post but I am sorry. I have not been here in a couple of days and I do not feel like reading all the comments. SO instead of putting input in I would like to say that I am depressed today because today is just one of those days that I wish I had crashed on a deserted island. I really think I need one of those LAA meetings. Anybody watch Mathew Fox on JK last night?

    Anyhow I saw that Lost was coming on tonight and I am sad.

    1. Because it’s gonna be the season finale soon. I know not tonight but still…

    2. Only 2 more seasons left.

    3. Because I miss everyone that died. (Or is gonna die)

    So I watched an old post on my blog…it’s one of my favorite Lost videos and I think it’s great to look back and see some of the great scenes from season 1:) The song is a little sappy but I love it and I MISS CHARLIE!!!!!!

    So now I am sharing it with my fellow lost fans since it was dedicated to all of them anyway:)

    http://mymommyathome.blogspot.com/2007/02/for-all-my-lost-fans.html%5B/quote%5D

    ****************************
    Hey, I enjoyed the video. Thanks!

  606. approaching infinity says:

    I am new to lost and have caught up on the episodes over the last ten days. Does anyone know if the episode tonight is an enhanced episode ( has the pop up comments).

    Did anyone else notice that in the episode where Richard travels back in time to visit Locke as a child, the man that Locke drew had 4 toes. Maybe some connection to the mysterious statue? Just saying.

  607. Donger says:

    [quote comment="222259"]Ahhh, Friday afternoon and 300 posts to read. Man, this ginger ale and rum is good….

    That’s some party they got going on at the boat now. I’m guessin’ Mike feels like someone who brought a butter knife to gun fight. So how come no one here has translated what Jin said to Sun?[/quote]

    I think Jin told Sun to take the baby and jump off the boat. Can anyone reveal this is not correct?

    We know Jack & James are heading to get Hugo.

    Seems obvious Ben was communicating with the Others with the mirror.

    I think the Others, with Kate and Sayid, show up to take out the mercs.

    Then we have Kate, Sayid, Jack, James & Hugo together. They go back to Frank. James chooses to stay. The rest take off in the helo. Then the island gets moved. The freighter gets moved too because it’s now inside the bubble. The helo finds Sun and Aaron in the water (drifted beyond the bubble at this point) and picks them up. Now the O6 are together and trying to get to safety.

    What do I win?

  608. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="224229"]I am new to lost and have caught up on the episodes over the last ten days. Does anyone know if the episode tonight is an enhanced episode ( has the pop up comments).

    Did anyone else notice that in the episode where Richard travels back in time to visit Locke as a child, the man that Locke drew had 4 toes. Maybe some connection to the mysterious statue? Just saying.[/quote]

    Neither ABC dot com, nor TVGuide dot com says anything about tonight’s double feature being enhanced, but honestly, it better be! LOL

    If you are referring to 5yo John’s drawing in black crayon of what looks like “Smokey and the man,” the drawing actually has NO toes. The right HAND has four fingers and the left hand has five. So I don’t think that it is particularly relevant, but it WOULD be cool if it were true. *g*

    : ) P

  609. Miraks says:

    I might be missing something but…
    Why do you think Sun knows that Jin is stil alive on the island (which initself might or might not be true). I don’t remember her saying anything about wanting to find it. She seems to want to get revenge on her father (by taking his money) and to want to go after one other person, because she holds them responsible for Jin’s death. If anything, I think that IF Jin is alive, Sun DOES NOT know that he is alive.

  610. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="224238"][quote comment="222259"]Ahhh, Friday afternoon and 300 posts to read. Man, this ginger ale and rum is good….

    That’s some party they got going on at the boat now. I’m guessin’ Mike feels like someone who brought a butter knife to gun fight. So how come no one here has translated what Jin said to Sun?[/quote]

    I think Jin told Sun to take the baby and jump off the boat. Can anyone reveal this is not correct?

    We know Jack & James are heading to get Hugo.

    Seems obvious Ben was communicating with the Others with the mirror.

    I think the Others, with Kate and Sayid, show up to take out the mercs.

    Then we have Kate, Sayid, Jack, James & Hugo together. They go back to Frank. James chooses to stay. The rest take off in the helo. Then the island gets moved. The freighter gets moved too because it’s now inside the bubble. The helo finds Sun and Aaron in the water (drifted beyond the bubble at this point) and picks them up. Now the O6 are together and trying to get to safety.

    What do I win?[/quote]

    +++++++++++++
    You get 2nd place…you forgot about the C4, the boat’s gonna blow dude!
    :)

  611. Miraks says:

    [quote comment="223385"]OK, I’m only at comment 378 but I’m going to post a few things now.

    TAsha earlier said they thought Kate didn’t know Jack was Aarons uncle. Since she knew Claire was his mom she would have known Jack was his uncle when Claires mom told Jack that Claire was his sister.
    [/quote]
    I don’t think Kate necessarily knows that Jack is Aaron’s biological uncle. She was not close enough to hear the conversation between her and Claire’s mom, and I doubt Jack would tell her.

  612. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="224253"]I don’t think Kate necessarily knows that Jack is Aaron’s biological uncle. She was not close enough to hear the conversation between her and Claire’s mom, and I doubt Jack would tell her.[/quote]

    You may be right, but the look that Kate gave Jack after Carole walked away told me that she heard everything.

    : ) P

  613. Miraks says:

    [quote comment="224254"][quote comment="224253"]I don’t think Kate necessarily knows that Jack is Aaron’s biological uncle. She was not close enough to hear the conversation between her and Claire’s mom, and I doubt Jack would tell her.[/quote]

    You may be right, but the look that Kate gave Jack after Carole walked away told me that she heard everything.

    : ) P[/quote]
    ____________________

    But she was at the other end of the room talking to someone else. I think the look was because a stranger had complimented her child, and she looked at Jack with the “I’m glad we’re off the island and a family” look.

  614. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="224250"]I might be missing something but…
    Why do you think Sun knows that Jin is stil alive on the island (which initself might or might not be true). I don’t remember her saying anything about wanting to find it. She seems to want to get revenge on her father (by taking his money) and to want to go after one other person, because she holds them responsible for Jin’s death. If anything, I think that IF Jin is alive, Sun DOES NOT know that he is alive.[/quote]
    Sun wanting to find the island is just a theory. That’s a long-term theory. You believing Sun doesn’t know Jin is alive is also a theory.

  615. Hope says:

    Why won’t we have a new episode of LOST this week? :(

  616. wally p says:

    [quote comment="224256"][quote comment="224254"][quote comment="224253"]I don’t think Kate necessarily knows that Jack is Aaron’s biological uncle. She was not close enough to hear the conversation between her and Claire’s mom, and I doubt Jack would tell her.[/quote]

    You may be right, but the look that Kate gave Jack after Carole walked away told me that she heard everything.

    : ) P[/quote]
    ____________________

    But she was at the other end of the room talking to someone else. I think the look was because a stranger had complimented her child, and she looked at Jack with the “I’m glad we’re off the island and a family” look.[/quote]

    Still, after the trial she tells Jack that she understands why he doesn’t want to see the baby, but until he does there will be no coffee….etc. I guess he could have made up some sort of story. Seems that his whole future becomes a big lie. hence, the breakdown. On the other hand, i dont know why Jack wouldn’t tell her. You gotta let it out or sweat it out, right?

  617. wally p says:

    [quote comment="224258"]Why won’t we have a new episode of LOST this week? :([/quote]

    Ugh! Two hour Greys Anatomy! ewwwwww.

  618. Tasha says:

    Is there any place online that you can watch Lost from season 1 for free? I of course own ALL the seasons so far but my sister has now finally decided she wants to watch (even though I have been trying to push it on her since season 1.)

    Anyhow, just wondering if anyone knows if it is possible???

  619. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="224263"]Is there any place online that you can watch Lost from season 1 for free? I of course own ALL the seasons so far but my sister has now finally decided she wants to watch (even though I have been trying to push it on her since season 1.)

    Anyhow, just wondering if anyone knows if it is possible???[/quote]
    ABC.com

  620. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="224259"]
    Still, after the trial she tells Jack that she understands why he doesn’t want to see the baby, but until he does there will be no coffee….etc. [/quote]
    You got me reading the transcripts again and I read Jack’s testimony. He testified that the crash occurred somewhere in the SOUTH PACIFIC.
    This looks closer to the INDIAN OCEAN to me but I am not a world traveler.

    This reminded me of interesting debate some of us had in the “archive” LOST HIATUS – UPDATE dated March 31. I still don’t understand how a plane taking off from Sydney headed towards LA, crashes near Membata?

  621. jaime says:

    [quote comment="221630"]So, do you think we will FINALLY find out who is in that damn coffin tonight??? Yes, yes, i said the C word…i have this funny feeling that it’s going to be Locke. Not quite sure why or how,just a feeling I got today.
    .[/quote]
    ********replying to myself

    I posted this way back in comment 11 and have been giving it more thought reading through your ideas on the issue.
    Te reason i thought Locke was because he was going to the Orchid. I think he goes back to the “main land” gets an alias, ends up back in a wheelchair, is tormentes becase the island is “through with him” and dies (not sure on the how part yet possible suicide, murder)
    Jack obviously blames himself and is tormented by this. He has no father, possible no mother, no siblings, wife/girlfriend etc hence no family or friends showing up. I speculate that he had a son he did not know about.

    I also think that Locke (or possible Jacob)could be the Economist. Elsa stated that her boss did not like technology. Ben said to Locke when he first went into Jacobs cabin “Like you John, Jacob does not like technology”

  622. Tasha says:

    [quote comment="224264"][quote comment="224263"]Is there any place online that you can watch Lost from season 1 for free? I of course own ALL the seasons so far but my sister has now finally decided she wants to watch (even though I have been trying to push it on her since season 1.)

    Anyhow, just wondering if anyone knows if it is possible???[/quote]
    ABC.com[/quote]
    That shows all the way from season 1?

  623. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="224293"]http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1331317/hurley_lost_in_argentina/

    cheers![/quote]

    WARNING!

    THIS COULD BE A SPOILER. I clicked on it, saw three seconds and closed the window.

    I am not willing to be the one to watch it all the way through to decide if it is a spoiler.

    : ) P

  624. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="224296"]
    That shows all the way from season 1?[/quote]

    Yes:

    http://dynamic.abc.go.com/streaming/landing

    : ) P

  625. Trixanna says:

    [quote comment="224168"] So now I am sharing it with my fellow lost fans since it was dedicated to all of them anyway:)

    http://mymommyathome.blogspot.com/2007/02/for-all-my-lost-fans.html%5B/quote%5D

    Awww…. you sound so sad!!! I watched the video and it did bring back a lot of happy memories when things were simpler. I hope you find your local chapter of LA soon. You will need it during the hiatus! Thanks for the link.

  626. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="224291"]
    Locke was because he was going to the Orchid. I think he goes back to the “main land” [/quote]
    I to believe it to be Locke. The only problem I have with your theory is Locke does not want to leave the island. Just because he is going to the orchid does not mean he is leaving yet. He might end up leaving sometime in season 5. UNLESS, Ben or Richard give him an ultimatum at the time-machine or whatever it is….Leave the island or I’ll kill your friends…something like that. Or maybe moving the island causes some sort of time-displacement that Locke cannot control.

  627. Rita says:

    [quote comment="224307"][quote comment="224291"]
    Locke was because he was going to the Orchid. I think he goes back to the “main land” [/quote]
    I to believe it to be Locke. The only problem I have with your theory is Locke does not want to leave the island. Just because he is going to the orchid does not mean he is leaving yet. He might end up leaving sometime in season 5. UNLESS, Ben or Richard give him an ultimatum at the time-machine or whatever it is….Leave the island or I’ll kill your friends…something like that. Or maybe moving the island causes some sort of time-displacement that Locke cannot control.[/quote]
    **********************************
    I don’t think it will be Locke. I think that it will likely be Michael. Would you all be really disappointed if it does turn out to be Michael? We all thought it would be “too obvious” if the “man on the boat” turned out to be him, and it was. Likely the coffin will be Michael also. Maybe it would only be so obvious to us LOST-bloggers.

  628. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="224316"]
    Would you all be really disappointed if it does turn out to be Michael? [/quote]
    I would be only be disappointed if it was Michael, if he explodes in the bomb ( comment 522), like I think he will, THEN ends up in the coffin. I guess I would be confused also. Again JMO about the coffin. I think the name Kevin Johnson was the “curveball” by the writers to confuse us.

  629. DocH says:

    [quote]
    … Or maybe moving the island causes some sort of time-displacement that Locke cannot control.
    [/quote]
    yeah… moving the island “in time” is still in play, as opposed to “place-to-place”. Still too soon to pick which. Of course John Locke always messes everything up in his life… so if he winds-up being the last man standing on the island, he may take the island too far back (or forward) in time.

    [Series Finale May 2010]
    Locke standing in his loin cloth, trying to find his pet dino-saures-rex… (yelling) “GROOOOGGGG!”

  630. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="224238"]
    What do I win?[/quote]
    You and Evan can fight over the prize. I think he won already though, he called it first.

  631. lost4ever says:

    YES…. it is POP-UP LOST.

  632. PJSander says:

    Enhanced!

    Whoo-hoo!

    : ) P

  633. DocH says:

    Now here is the big Q? who is gonna follow guideline #2?
    ??????????
    If your comment is about last week’s episode it belongs in that comment thread. Search and find the right post.
    ??????????

  634. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="224340"]Enhanced!

    Whoo-hoo!

    : ) P[/quote]
    Sorry PJ….He sacrificed himself and drowned.

  635. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="224348"]Sorry PJ….He sacrificed himself and drowned.[/quote]

    Yeah, well. That seems pretty clear. But you’ll forgive me if I hold out just a teeny weeny tiny glimmer of hope?

    : ) P

  636. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="224344"]Now here is the big Q? who is gonna follow guideline #2?
    ??????????
    If your comment is about last week’s episode it belongs in that comment thread. Search and find the right post.
    ??????????[/quote]

    Well now TECHNICALLY, these aren’t “last week’s episode” because they are ON tonight, THIS week! But I bow to your request, my friend.

    : ) P
    (who is off to go FIND those threads)

  637. Clay says:

    One question: How does a plane flying from Sydney to Los Angeles end up on the southern coast of Indonesia? I know the plane went way off course — but the crash site is in the complete opposite direction. Surely the writers have an answer for this. Otherwise its a huge blunder.

  638. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="224380"]One question: How does a plane flying from Sydney to Los Angeles end up on the southern coast of Indonesia? I know the plane went way off course — but the crash site is in the complete opposite direction. Surely the writers have an answer for this. Otherwise its a huge blunder.[/quote]

    The ACTUAL plane DIDN’T crash there. The FAUX plane was “found” there. It is up to Oceanic / Widmore / Ben / Paik to come up with a “reasonable” explanation as to why this was the case.

    : ) P

  639. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="224380"]One question: How does a plane flying from Sydney to Los Angeles end up on the southern coast of Indonesia? I know the plane went way off course — but the crash site is in the complete opposite direction. Surely the writers have an answer for this. Otherwise its a huge blunder.[/quote]
    Read comment 620

  640. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="224382"][quote comment="224380"]One question: How does a plane flying from Sydney to Los Angeles end up on the southern coast of Indonesia? I know the plane went way off course — but the crash site is in the complete opposite direction. Surely the writers have an answer for this. Otherwise its a huge blunder.[/quote]

    The ACTUAL plane DIDN’T crash there. The FAUX plane was “found” there. It is up to Oceanic / Widmore / Ben / Paik to come up with a “reasonable” explanation as to why this was the case.

    : ) P[/quote]
    The survivors were found there also. They might also explain that in the extra press conference footage. Hopefully.

  641. stretchlimo says:

    Don’t we see Jin in a flash forward racing to his boss’s wife’s birth?

  642. PJSander says:

    Hmmm… bringing up the placement of the faux plane reminds me of a point which IS relevant to this thread. If the O6 were “found” on an island somewhere off the coast of Indonesia, wouldn’t the 12/26 tsunami have played a fairly big part in their made up rescue story?

    Perhaps we are supposed to forget that it happened, but if they are reminding us about Red Sox wins in “real time” why not the tsunami?

    : ) P

  643. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="224403"]Don’t we see Jin in a flash forward racing to his boss’s wife’s birth?[/quote]
    See comment 364.

  644. RGS says:

    [quote comment="224361"][quote comment="224348"]Sorry PJ….He sacrificed himself and drowned.[/quote]

    Yeah, well. That seems pretty clear. But you’ll forgive me if I hold out just a teeny weeny tiny glimmer of hope?

    : ) P[/quote]
    ^^^^^^^^
    NO! In fact, I believe that pop-up was specifically for you, as anyone who would care to watch and enhanced episode would know that Hurley and Charlie were friends. I bet if I re-watch that enhanced episode at the end of that pop-up will appear a faint “PJ,” as in, “…he sacrificed and drowned…PJ.” Just as sure as we won’t see a toddler Aaron and Claire get on a helicopter, Charlie has died (but they’ll probably bring him back for some purpose contracts permitting lol).

  645. RGS says:

    [quote comment="224408"]Hmmm… bringing up the placement of the faux plane reminds me of a point which IS relevant to this thread. If the O6 were “found” on an island somewhere off the coast of Indonesia, wouldn’t the 12/26 tsunami have played a fairly big part in their made up rescue story?

    Perhaps we are supposed to forget that it happened, but if they are reminding us about Red Sox wins in “real time” why not the tsunami?

    : ) P[/quote]
    ^^^^^^
    I thought they said in the press conference that the Tsunami had washed them on shore or something like that.

  646. lost4ever says:

    EXTENDED PRESS CONFERENCE

    Reporter: “So, how did you guys survive the tsunami”

    Hurley: “Tsunami? Dude, uh Jack you wanna take this one?”

    Jack: “I tried to save everyone, but that’s how we lost the other 3. SO, how about them Red Sox.”

  647. Donger says:

    [quote comment="224335"][quote comment="224238"]
    What do I win?[/quote]
    You and Evan can fight over the prize. I think he won already though, he called it first.[/quote]

    Where is the post where Evan called it?

  648. DocH says:

    [quote comment="224376"]
    Well now TECHNICALLY, these aren’t “last week’s episode” because they are ON tonight, THIS week! But I bow to your request, my friend.[/quote]
    Whoa. Not a request. Not the blog police. Not drawing the line or saying where the line is. Just asking where the line is? Personally, if someone wants to tie in the enhanced version to TNPLH Pt1, that is fine. Many of us go back and rewatch to support a current thought, not a prob. My line would be someone that watched the ep for the first time and dropped by to explore the older ep. Easy, simple line, I think.

    Other than that, “There’s gold in them thar pop-ups!” Seems like more than twice as many than ever before. Could be wrong on this but did I see 90 miles to the freighter on one pop-up. Reading glasses were down… could have been 40.

    Another pop-up set me straight. Emily hit by car a 6 months preg, Locke born at 7 months. Originally I lumped that into a single event. Now it seems they were a month apart. I think it was that Emily had scratches and abrasions, plus bloody doctors/nurses… I just thought it was at the same time.

    Can’t wait for the (enhanced) transcripts.

    [plus those damn previews... such spoilers... they ruined the "Ugly Betty" finale for me. I will not watch tomorrow.]
    [;^)

  649. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="224416"]
    I thought they said in the press conference that the Tsunami had washed them on shore or something like that.[/quote]

    Karen Decker: A typhoon washed up the remnants of an Indonesian fishing boat, including basic supplies and a survival raft.
    No real mention of the tsunami

  650. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="224423"]
    Can’t wait for the (enhanced) transcripts.
    [/quote]
    They are already up at lostpedia. And it was 90 miles but I am sure you will see it again as the ALL of the episode references. I think they mad it a point to say CS died in Sydney ( 3 times in 2 episodes).

  651. DocH says:

    [quote comment="224416"]
    I thought they said in the press conference that the Tsunami had washed them on shore or something like that.
    [/quote]
    Nope. Something to the effect that once they were on their first island after a day in the water, a typhoon/cyclone/hurricane (same thing) washed up a wreck. They got their raft (to go to the second island) and supplies following that storm, from the washed-up wreck.

    The tsunami was 1600 miles away and “around the corner” with about 1000 miles of land in between the two places. ZERO impact from the tsunami where they where bedded down.

  652. Rita says:

    [quote comment="224432"][quote comment="224416"]
    I thought they said in the press conference that the Tsunami had washed them on shore or something like that.
    [/quote]
    Nope. Something to the effect that once they were on their first island after a day in the water, a typhoon/cyclone/hurricane (same thing) washed up a wreck. They got their raft (to go to the second island) and supplies following that storm, from the washed-up wreck.

    The tsunami was 1600 miles away and “around the corner” with about 1000 miles of land in between the two places. ZERO impact from the tsunami where they where bedded down.[/quote]
    **********************************
    I have been wondering how they get to the 1st island in the first place. If they don’t leave through the Orchid station (which is what I still think will happen), but leave in Frank’s chopper instead, they can’t land on the freighter because it has blown up, so they end up ditching in the Ocean (where Frank goes down with the chopper) and are THEN washed ashore, probably on a raft that was in the chopper, so that they NEVER WERE on island #1. They wash ashore on island #2, where they already have their lie story honed, and make up island #1 to explain where they have been all this time. Plausible?

  653. DocH says:

    OA6 were never on island #1. Yeah.
    Why does Frank have to ditch the helo and perish? No need.
    Why does the freighter have to explode? No need.
    Why wash ashore on Sumba? No need.

    How about this – the freighter chugs close to the “alleged” crash site, once LOST island disappears. Frank flies the survivors (OA6) that they can build a reasonable lie (conspiracy) around, and drops them on a beach on the populated island, with a raft so it looks like they just made it ashore. Frank returns to the freighter with the helo and the freighter goes on its merry way with the survivors they cannot comfortably build a lie around AND the bodies of those that perished in the process AND the islanders that they did not have to build a lie around (Des, Juliet, etc..).

  654. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="224551"]OA6 were never on island #1. Yeah.
    Why does Frank have to ditch the helo and perish? No need.
    Why does the freighter have to explode? No need.
    Why wash ashore on Sumba? No need.

    How about this – the freighter chugs close to the “alleged” crash site, once LOST island disappears. Frank flies the survivors (OA6) that they can build a reasonable lie (conspiracy) around, and drops them on a beach on the populated island, with a raft so it looks like they just made it ashore. Frank returns to the freighter with the helo and the freighter goes on its merry way with the survivors they cannot comfortably build a lie around AND the bodies of those that perished in the process AND the islanders that they did not have to build a lie around (Des, Juliet, etc..).[/quote]

    ++++++++++++++++++++
    Well, my thought is the freighter DOES need to explode. The biggest clue is the C4, it’s not there for looks. Next is Michael, he’s likley made good with the island and now can die and I believe this is how. Third is Jin, depending on how Sun gets to the chopper…I think he stays on the freight…why is he getting a fake ID? Fourth is the “extra” losties that came to the freigher on the small boat….how do they die or why fake IDs?

  655. mr.Echo says:

    Hello there, insightful lostbloggers!!!
    This being my first post i was hoping to contribute a lot more, but after reading all 653 comments (plus spending another two hours exploring the lostpedia labyrinth) i kinda feel like i got Smokey in my head…
    I ‘d really like to reply to some of your comments, but i’d rather unload my thoughts in a random way (since i now begin to understand that i’m sure for almost nothing…).
    So, IMHO (with lots of wishful thinking):

    1. Jin will be alive after the S4 finale. “Alive” in the simple sense of the original(?) timeline. No trickswith time-shifting etc. Sun, whether she knows that or not, will try to find the island’s new position (in time and/or space). Not only will she use her (dad’s) company to do so, but she could join forces with Penny!
    Daughters vs Fathers!!! Which leads us to

    2. Desmond doesn’t die either. Good ol’ Des along with Jin have to stick with Claire (her current state needs to be discussed in another post and/or thread), cause she is the third daughter (Christian Shephard-Claire, Charles Widmore-Penny, mr.Paik-Sun). Of course i might be wrong and Des and Jin share the fate of poor Charlie (Claire+Charlie, Penny+Desmond, Jin+Sun). Hope i’m coming through here…

    3. The frighter doesn’t have to explode. Either Michael and/or Des and/or anyone else aboard interrupt the transmition of Keamy’s pulse detector, or Keamy himself is sent into a different time and place throught the Orchid (by Ben and/or Locke and/or Richard&co.)…

    I got so much more to write, but i’ve already produced a HUGE post (sorry folks!), so i ‘ll continue later… {8>)

  656. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="224423"]Another pop-up set me straight. Emily hit by car a 6 months preg, Locke born at 7 months. Originally I lumped that into a single event. Now it seems they were a month apart. I think it was that Emily had scratches and abrasions, plus bloody doctors/nurses… I just thought it was at the same time.[/quote]

    I will need to go back to verify, but I THOUGHT that the pop-ups said that LOCKE was born at 6 months and BEN was at 7 months, both from a mother named Emily (which they did NOT confirm NOR deny might be the same person).

    : ) P

  657. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="224414"]NO! In fact, I believe that pop-up was specifically for you, as anyone who would care to watch and enhanced episode would know that Hurley and Charlie were friends. I bet if I re-watch that enhanced episode at the end of that pop-up will appear a faint “PJ,” as in, “…he sacrificed and drowned…PJ.” Just as sure as we won’t see a toddler Aaron and Claire get on a helicopter, Charlie has died (but they’ll probably bring him back for some purpose contracts permitting lol).[/quote]

    *sigh*

    Point taken.

    But you can take my logic, but not my optimism!

    LOL

    : ) P

  658. mr.Echo says:

    Ok, i guess i can’t wait to continue…

    4. I agree with DocH and anyone else thinking that Nadia’s return is suspicious. (Don’t get me wrong, i wanted Sayid+Nadia to reunite, though i had imagined a much deeper, karmic romantic scene…). Anyway, my guess is that Nadia has been working as a scientist for Widmore/Dharma research and is encouraged to approach Sayid in order to lead the “BAD GUYS”(???) to the island.
    So Ben kills Nadia or orders someone else to do so, and then (on October 2005 in Iraq)persuades Sayid that the hitman was that guy working for Widmore. So he gets Nadia out of his way and Sayid under his influence with another of his plans.

    5. As for the coffin debate i ‘ll have to go with the ones (sorry guys, but i can’t go through the whole page to find your comments’ # right now) who believe that this is another Ben’s plot, in order to persuade Widmore and everyone else who might be after him that he is dead. Of course the coffin is empty and as for the guy who asks Jack whether he wants to open the coffin, he is a fake, too (Ben knows that Jack won’t have the guts to say yes…).

    I feel much better now that i ‘ve shared these thoughts!!! Sorry if i put too much on the table, hope i didn’t dry your eyes out for nothing… {8>)

  659. Lins says:

    Anyone else see the previews for that new JJ Abrams movie Fringe? It has Abbadon in it and he looks creepy as ever!!

  660. mr.Echo says:

    [quote comment="224586"][quote comment="224414"]NO! In fact, I believe that pop-up was specifically for you, as anyone who would care to watch and enhanced episode would know that Hurley and Charlie were friends. I bet if I re-watch that enhanced episode at the end of that pop-up will appear a faint “PJ,” as in, “…he sacrificed and drowned…PJ.” Just as sure as we won’t see a toddler Aaron and Claire get on a helicopter, Charlie has died (but they’ll probably bring him back for some purpose contracts permitting lol).[/quote]

    *sigh*

    Point taken.

    But you can take my logic, but not my optimism!

    LOL

    : ) P[/quote]

    ——

    Are these enhanced episodes available on the internet for us overseas LAAs???

  661. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="224432"]The tsunami was 1600 miles away and “around the corner” with about 1000 miles of land in between the two places. ZERO impact from the tsunami where they where bedded down.[/quote]

    I can’t find a map to confirm that, DocH, but I will take you at your word. The maps I found show the area in the “press conference” maps to have SOME issues, but nothing major enough to argue the point. The earthquake that CAUSED the tsunami would have been felt, but perhaps not enough to warrant it coming up at the press conference.

    : ) P

  662. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="224606"][quote comment="224432"]The tsunami was 1600 miles away and “around the corner” with about 1000 miles of land in between the two places. ZERO impact from the tsunami where they where bedded down.[/quote]

    I can’t find a map to confirm that, DocH, but I will take you at your word. The maps I found show the area in the “press conference” maps to have SOME issues, but nothing major enough to argue the point. The earthquake that CAUSED the tsunami would have been felt, but perhaps not enough to warrant it coming up at the press conference.

    : ) P[/quote]
    ————-
    Here is a web page with many simulations of the tsunami and the affected area. DocH is right on. The rescue point is clearly not affected by the tsunami. It is much further east.

    http://dir.yahoo.com/Science/Earth_Sciences/Geology_and_Geophysics/Seismology/Historic_Earthquakes/Indian_Ocean___December_26__2004/Maps_and_Graphics/

  663. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="224604"]Are these enhanced episodes available on the internet for us overseas LAAs???[/quote]

    Last night’s two enhanced episodes (Something Nice Back Home and Cabin Fever) are not yet available on ABC’s website. Hopefully, they will be eventually. In the meantime, everything prior to that is available in the enhanced version here:

    http://dynamic.abc.go.com/streaming/landing

    : ) P

  664. Miraks says:

    [quote comment="224584"][quote comment="224423"]Another pop-up set me straight. Emily hit by car a 6 months preg, Locke born at 7 months. Originally I lumped that into a single event. Now it seems they were a month apart. I think it was that Emily had scratches and abrasions, plus bloody doctors/nurses… I just thought it was at the same time.[/quote]

    I will need to go back to verify, but I THOUGHT that the pop-ups said that LOCKE was born at 6 months and BEN was at 7 months, both from a mother named Emily (which they did NOT confirm NOR deny might be the same person).

    : ) P[/quote]
    __________________________________

    Yes, Locke was born May 30th, 1956 at six months, and Ben was born December 19th, 196? at seven months.
    I do not believe that they have the same mother though. Ben’s mom and Locke’s mom did not look alike. Ben’s mom died, Locke’s is alive. I guess you could argue that the mom we saw for Locke was his adoptive mom, but she signed in at the Mental Hospital as “Emily Locke”, so it would have to be a complicated/ twisted plot. I don’t think the writers would go into all that confusion.
    My believe- Emily Locke is not the same person as Emily Linus.

  665. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="224604"]
    Are these enhanced episodes available on the internet for us overseas LAAs???[/quote]
    TRY ABC.com as was mentioned in #619. There are transcripts available at lostpedia.com.

  666. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="224584"][quote comment="224423"]Another pop-up set me straight. Emily hit by car a 6 months preg, Locke born at 7 months. Originally I lumped that into a single event. Now it seems they were a month apart. I think it was that Emily had scratches and abrasions, plus bloody doctors/nurses… I just thought it was at the same time.[/quote]

    I will need to go back to verify, but I THOUGHT that the pop-ups said that LOCKE was born at 6 months and BEN was at 7 months, both from a mother named Emily (which they did NOT confirm NOR deny might be the same person).

    : ) P[/quote]
    ————–
    Partly right. But you got the right part right. The pop-up did not mention Locke’s birth age but did mention Ben’s at 7 months. The same time, I believe, that pregnant women on the island seem to die, as his mother did.

  667. mr.Echo says:

    PJS & L4E thanx a lot for the info about the eps…
    As for the lostpedia transcripts i wish they included more whispers…

  668. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="224598"]as for the guy who asks Jack whether he wants to open the coffin,
    [/quote]
    The Levitra guy? Or is he the Viagra guy? Can’t remember. He did play a small role on maybe the best cop drama ever “the shield”.

    Sorry abot the last 2 posts, my browser is not refreshing properly. Mirarks and PJ answerd those questions. I agree Miraks about the mother thing. There was a 99 pct DNA match that the women who visited Locke at the toy store was his mother.

  669. Tasker says:

    [quote comment="224325"][quote comment="224316"]
    Would you all be really disappointed if it does turn out to be Michael? [/quote]
    I would be only be disappointed if it was Michael, if he explodes in the bomb ( comment 522), like I think he will, THEN ends up in the coffin. I guess I would be confused also. Again JMO about the coffin. I think the name Kevin Johnson was the “curveball” by the writers to confuse us.[/quote]

    Yeah, if Michael blows up, there’s no way he’s in the coffin. He’d be in bits and pieces somewhere in the ocean. It’s still a little baffling to me why Michael is the “obvious choice” for the coffin.

  670. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="224603"]Anyone else see the previews for that new JJ Abrams movie Fringe? It has Abbadon in it and he looks creepy as ever!![/quote]
    Are you sure it is a movie? I thought it was a TV show. Anything with Lance Reddick (Abaddon) is worth watching.

  671. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="224623"][quote comment="224325"][quote comment="224316"]
    Would you all be really disappointed if it does turn out to be Michael? [/quote]
    I would be only be disappointed if it was Michael, if he explodes in the bomb ( comment 522), like I think he will, THEN ends up in the coffin. I guess I would be confused also. Again JMO about the coffin. I think the name Kevin Johnson was the “curveball” by the writers to confuse us.[/quote]

    Yeah, if Michael blows up, there’s no way he’s in the coffin. He’d be in bits and pieces somewhere in the ocean. It’s still a little baffling to me why Michael is the “obvious choice” for the coffin.[/quote]
    ++++++++++++++++++
    The reason the word obvious is in quotes is because many of us think it is obvious if you put the clues together. The obit says things about being male, maybe having a teenaged son, (this part has been taken as racist, so don’t attack me, I’m just pointing it out) the funeral home was assumed to be in a black neighborhood, no family or freinds visited (up to this point, he’s the only one with an alias besides Ben), etc.

    So it’s not REALLY obvious, but “obvious”.

  672. DocH says:

    [quote comment="224584"]
    I will need to go back to verify, but I THOUGHT that the pop-ups said that LOCKE was born at 6 months and BEN was at 7 months…
    [/quote]
    I checked… thanks. Apparently I can read the captioning OR I can watch the show. I just can’t do both at the same time. Goodness forbid if I am thinking about something else. Oh my!

  673. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="224640"][quote comment="224584"]
    I will need to go back to verify, but I THOUGHT that the pop-ups said that LOCKE was born at 6 months and BEN was at 7 months…
    [/quote]
    I checked… thanks. Apparently I can read the captioning OR I can watch the show. I just can’t do both at the same time. Goodness forbid if I am thinking about something else. Oh my![/quote]

    +++++++++++++++
    LOL, me too. I can’t do two convos at once so it’s either read the pop ups or listen to the characters. :)

  674. DocH says:

    Something else about the enhanced versions I just learned. Apparently the producers aren’t the ‘creative force’ that produce the ‘pop-ups’ – so if they want to go a separate way in the story and contradict what was in the pop-up – no problem for them – not their pop-up.

  675. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="224648"]Something else about the enhanced versions I just learned. Apparently the producers aren’t the ‘creative force’ that produce the ‘pop-ups’ – so if they want to go a separate way in the story and contradict what was in the pop-up – no problem for them – not their pop-up.[/quote]
    That stinks, then it’s non-canon….it’s like lostpedia…

  676. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="224648"]Something else about the enhanced versions I just learned. Apparently the producers aren’t the ‘creative force’ that produce the ‘pop-ups’ – so if they want to go a separate way in the story and contradict what was in the pop-up – no problem for them – not their pop-up.[/quote]
    So it’s not “canon”? There’s your opening PJ.
    I also have trouble watching and reading at the same time. When I was younger I couldn’t pat my head and rub my stomach at the same time either. Now I have trouble walking and chewing gum. :) JK

  677. jaime says:

    [quote comment="224658"][quote comment="224648"]Something else about the enhanced versions I just learned. Apparently the producers aren’t the ‘creative force’ that produce the ‘pop-ups’ – so if they want to go a separate way in the story and contradict what was in the pop-up – no problem for them – not their pop-up.[/quote]
    That stinks, then it’s non-canon….it’s like lostpedia…[/quote]
    ################################
    Last night they mentioned in the pop-up that Abaddon worked for Widmore. In the last podcast, D&C would niether confirm or deny this. Who is responsible for creating the pop-ups if not the producers?

  678. jaime says:

    [quote comment="224316"][quote comment="224307"][quote comment="224291"]
    Locke was because he was going to the Orchid. I think he goes back to the “main land” [/quote]
    I to believe it to be Locke. The only problem I have with your theory is Locke does not want to leave the island. Just because he is going to the orchid does not mean he is leaving yet. He might end up leaving sometime in season 5. UNLESS, Ben or Richard give him an ultimatum at the time-machine or whatever it is….Leave the island or I’ll kill your friends…something like that. Or maybe moving the island causes some sort of time-displacement that Locke cannot control.[/quote]
    **********************************
    I don’t think it will be Locke. I think that it will likely be Michael. Would you all be really disappointed if it does turn out to be Michael? We all thought it would be “too obvious” if the “man on the boat” turned out to be him, and it was. Likely the coffin will be Michael also. Maybe it would only be so obvious to us LOST-bloggers.[/quote]
    #####################
    Lost4ever, i believe you are right about the time frame that Locke would most likely leave the island.

    Rita, I am sticking with Locke. I wouldn’t be disapointed though if it were Michael, only confused as to how that would happen.

  679. DocH says:

    [quote comment="224658"]
    That stinks, then it’s non-canon….it’s like lostpedia…
    [/quote]
    Here it is –
    http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Lostpedia:Canon

    #4 item under ‘non-canon’ is ‘enhanced’.

    sidenote on ‘enhanced’ also has a “CliffsNote” comment.

    Also note that one of the few things under ‘canon’ is “Orchid Video”.

  680. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="224677"][quote comment="224658"]
    That stinks, then it’s non-canon….it’s like lostpedia…
    [/quote]
    Here it is –
    http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Lostpedia:Canon

    #4 item under ‘non-canon’ is ‘enhanced’.

    sidenote on ‘enhanced’ also has a “CliffsNote” comment.

    Also note that one of the few things under ‘canon’ is “Orchid Video”.[/quote]

    ++++++
    Wait…if lostpedia says it’s non-canon, doesn’t that in it’s self make it possible that it’s canon? :)

  681. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="224648"]Something else about the enhanced versions I just learned. Apparently the producers aren’t the ‘creative force’ that produce the ‘pop-ups’ – so if they want to go a separate way in the story and contradict what was in the pop-up – no problem for them – not their pop-up.[/quote]

    ACK!

    Where did you find THAT out? That changes EVERYTHING!

    : ) P

  682. Rita says:

    [quote comment="224551"]OA6 were never on island #1. Yeah.
    Why does Frank have to ditch the helo and perish? No need.
    Why does the freighter have to explode? No need.
    Why wash ashore on Sumba? No need.

    How about this – the freighter chugs close to the “alleged” crash site, once LOST island disappears. Frank flies the survivors (OA6) that they can build a reasonable lie (conspiracy) around, and drops them on a beach on the populated island, with a raft so it looks like they just made it ashore. Frank returns to the freighter with the helo and the freighter goes on its merry way with the survivors they cannot comfortably build a lie around AND the bodies of those that perished in the process AND the islanders that they did not have to build a lie around (Des, Juliet, etc..).[/quote]
    ****************************
    Nah, too many loose ends! Frank and the chopper go down in the drink for sure. Frank will do all he can for the losties first though (lots of drama). The freighter blows up too, no doubt about it. Remember Sun looking back as she ran out onto the deck? The next scene will be a giant explosion with Sun jumping off the ship with the baby. Very dramatic, lots of music, us sitting on the edge of our seats (as usual!). The zodiac boat, on it’s return to the ship with the next group of potential survivors, will pick up Sun and Aaron and return to the beach. Sun will think Jin is dead, but he won’t be. Not sure about Michael, but the red shirts are toast.

  683. DocH says:

    [quote comment="224667"]
    Last night they mentioned in the pop-up that Abaddon worked for Widmore. In the last podcast, D&C would niether confirm or deny this. Who is responsible for creating the pop-ups if not the producers?
    [/quote]
    Enhanced (Non-Canon)
    + Podcast (Semi-Canon)
    = Tell/Show us when THEY want (Canon)

    Have we ever seen Widmore & Abaddon in the same scene… Or talking on the phone to one another… Or reading letters from one another.

    I think we assume (great guess BTW) that Abaddon works for Widmore, but since the producers aren’t confirming that… then I guess they want to wait and SHOW us.

    [I would settle for Abaddon getting a paycheck from Widmore and then griping to himself... "darn you old man Widmore, you always take too much federal withholding taxes out of my paycheck. I filed a new W-2 three months ago."... then we'd know WidMan was the boss.]

  684. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="224683"]Wait…if lostpedia says it’s non-canon, doesn’t that in it’s self make it possible that it’s canon? :)[/quote]

    LOL.

    It does disturb me, though, that some THIRD PARTY was doing the pop-ups. To me, that means that any “confirmation” of a theory is just based on that third party’s OPINION and not an actual confirmation.

    I won’t bring Charlie up again, so let’s use Christian Shephard as an example. We’ve had varying theories that he isn’t really dead, or he came back to life (with an island time change) or what have you. Last night, the enhanced episodes told us several times that he was dead. I thought that was the PRODUCERS confirming that he really IS dead. Now, not so much.

    Man, this is just going to throw my whole day into a tailspin. I really need to get another hobby.

    LAA Meeting anyone?

    LOL

    : ) P

  685. DocH says:

    [quote comment="224704"]
    Man, this is just going to throw my whole day into a tailspin.
    [/quote]
    I apologize for tossing that hand grenade in your lap. If you want some perspective, go to the chat room were they discuss the canon policy

    http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Lostpedia_talk:Canon

    The last conversation, about two-thirds of the way down the page, gives good insight into the “enhanced” canon concept.

  686. Kathy P says:

    This is a long shot and Im going out on a limb but my 2 choices for whom is in the coffin are
    1. Juliet. I think Ben who does have a thing for her gets her off the island and some how Jack knows this and might be part of the reason he leaves Kate? Anyhow she dies and Jack feels guilty. When he says he is not a friend I think she means more to him then a friend and she is not family.
    My second guess is Walt.
    Ok tell me why Im wrong.

  687. Lins says:

    Do you think there’s any way that Jack knows (bearded ugly suicidal Jack) that the island won’t let him kill himself? I mean, Michael knows he can’t die until his work is finished so maybe that’s what is driving Jack crazy…trying to figure out