Lost Hiatus Update Numero Uno

Okay, now that we’ve had a couple weeks to digest and decompress from the quite fantastic season 4 finale – it is time to get back to the work of deciphering just what exactly is going on. In that vein, we have received two very cool pieces from our contributors that I thought I would reference in this post.

In an update to the Fallon Theory, which we posted last year, reader Aonghus Fallon sent us the following diagram (he’s also updated the comment thread, which I would recommend reading):

Fallon Theory Diagram

Also, a pretty cool timeline sketch from reader “Rick” – which depicts three known timeline changes in the Lost world.

Lost Timeline Sketch

What do you think?

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32 Responses to Lost Hiatus Update Numero Uno

  1. PJSander says:

    Those are some impressive diagrams.

    Any chance we can see a bigger version of the sketch, please? When I click on it, a new page opens, but the sketch is the same size and not quite as clear.

    : ) P

  2. Trixanna says:

    PJ, when I clicked on it, it was the same size but then I clicked again and it blew it up quite a bit! I am going to go back and look at it now. Pretty cool!

  3. Rita says:

    Wow, someone has done some serious homework! Can’t wait to study this in more depth. Thanks for the tip, Trixanna!

  4. Andrew says:

    i dont get the note in the middle on the second timeline.
    “Swan incident also on this timeline but aircraft flies syd to europe… crashes off sumatra Lapidus is Pilot”
    and above that it says everyone dies in crash.
    Is this what was supposed to happen before the timelines got changed or did i miss something?

  5. DocH says:

    PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN!

    First class fodder here!

  6. PJSander says:

    Thanks for the hint, Trixanna. I tried that before and it didn’t work, so I am not sure if it is my computer, or someone updated the link.

    Either way, WOW!

    : ) P

  7. CAG says:

    [quote comment="233850"]Thanks for the hint, Trixanna. I tried that before and it didn’t work, so I am not sure if it is my computer, or someone updated the link.

    Either way, WOW!

    : ) P[/quote]
    _____________________
    Try right-clicking the sketch and saving the picture to your computer. Then you can print it, scaling it to a page. It’s pretty easy to read then. Andrew, I think that the author is theorizing that the plane found off the coast of Sumatra is the actual flight 815 from a different timeline. I’m just not clear as how the timelines are existing simultaneously in the same space.

  8. Hammer says:

    No props from AF when he/she added the whisperers theory II. Snubbed. :)

  9. Aonghus Fallon says:

    Sorry, Hammer – credit where credit is due. I hadn’t actually read the transcripts at the time, so I even though I enjoyed your thread, I got confused pretty early on – not enough to stop me helping myself to whatever ideas suited my theory though! There were some really useful insights from other contributors as well as your good self.
    I also think you’re right. The whisperers have a specific significance within the storyline, and in that respect they’re a very important clue.
    Also, thanks to Will for posting up the diagram.
    I promised myself I wouldn’t go on at length re the update, but as you can see, I posted up the original entries weeks before the final episode. There’s some additional information I think is worth considering – namely what Ben was actually doing.
    THE FROZEN DONKEY WHEEL.
    There seemed to be some natural light down there. I reckon Ben was at the centre point of a deep shaft running right through the island. This shaft runs parallel with the axis of the two poles. Turning the wheel meant completing a process that was already in motion – that is, pole reversal.
    The island’s magnetic field warps time. I think the writers have built the series around this one, very specific premise and while it might not be good science, it has its own internal logic – as any good story should. Once you buy into the idea, a lot of logical ramifications flow from it. I’ve already cited two examples – the behaviour of the two poles and the notion of a temporal loop. There is another ramification: that time on the island is directional – i.e. that it follows the island’s magnetic current. This means that reversing the poles has one other significant effect, apart from getting them to swap characteristics: it reverses time itself. We know time-flow was apparently normal while magnetic flow was from south-to-north, so logically a north-to-south magnetic flow means time running backward.
    By turning the wheel (and getting off the island before things got too interesting) Ben was pressing the re-wind button and giving Jacob another shot at getting it right. Yeah, I know. That VHS malfunction was no coincidence after all. It was another ‘Easter egg’. At the time I thought it was just due to the south pole exit’s proximity.
    So now we have a temporal loop that isn’t just a loop: it’s a loop that’s running in reverse, even as it carries the island back into the past. What this means in real terms is anybody’s guess. Will time keep running backwards until somebody turns that wheel again? Will it only reverse as far back as one revolution of the loop, then correct itself? Will the next series consist of a lot of people running around backwards and talking gibberish? You tell me.
    However there may be some interesting ‘ramifications’…
    SURVIVORS?
    My diagram is a pretty crude approximation of what’s going on. The island’s magnetic field is probably much larger. I compared the island to a black hole and typically a black hole has an event horizon many times larger than the black hole itself. I also think – by extension – that the north pole conduit would be narrower for longer as it approached the island. There are some aspects of the final episode that contradict this thesis, and I’ll get to them in a minute.
    The size of the island’s event horizon is crucial as it’s possible – possible – that anybody who died (while trapped within the event horizon when Ben turned that wheel) will be reincarnated next time round – Keamy, anybody on the freighter etc.
    However, I have a problem with this. I reckon the diagram is pretty accurate when it comes to angle of entry. I assumed that the freighter was moored just outside the island’s event horizon, because they knew the conduit wasn’t accessible by sea and some sort of aircraft was needed to navigate down it, just as a submarine was needed to leave via the south pole exit. This seemed to hold true for most of the series – until Sayid started transporting people to the freighter by boat. This only made sense if the freighter was already within the island’s event horizon, but that doesn’t make any sense because the event horizon is only accessible via the elevated north pole conduit – well, you get my drift. Maybe there’s some sort of special dispensation for small sea craft.

  10. Rita says:

    [quote comment="234785"]Sorry, Hammer – credit where credit is due. I hadn’t actually read the transcripts at the time, so I even though I enjoyed your thread, I got confused pretty early on – not enough to stop me helping myself to whatever ideas suited my theory though! There were some really useful insights from other contributors as well as your good self.
    I also think you’re right. The whisperers have a specific significance within the storyline, and in that respect they’re a very important clue.
    Also, thanks to Will for posting up the diagram.
    I promised myself I wouldn’t go on at length re the update, but as you can see, I posted up the original entries weeks before the final episode. There’s some additional information I think is worth considering – namely what Ben was actually doing.
    THE FROZEN DONKEY WHEEL.
    There seemed to be some natural light down there. I reckon Ben was at the centre point of a deep shaft running right through the island. This shaft runs parallel with the axis of the two poles. Turning the wheel meant completing a process that was already in motion – that is, pole reversal.
    The island’s magnetic field warps time. I think the writers have built the series around this one, very specific premise and while it might not be good science, it has its own internal logic – as any good story should. Once you buy into the idea, a lot of logical ramifications flow from it. I’ve already cited two examples – the behaviour of the two poles and the notion of a temporal loop. There is another ramification: that time on the island is directional – i.e. that it follows the island’s magnetic current. This means that reversing the poles has one other significant effect, apart from getting them to swap characteristics: it reverses time itself. We know time-flow was apparently normal while magnetic flow was from south-to-north, so logically a north-to-south magnetic flow means time running backward.
    By turning the wheel (and getting off the island before things got too interesting) Ben was pressing the re-wind button and giving Jacob another shot at getting it right. Yeah, I know. That VHS malfunction was no coincidence after all. It was another ‘Easter egg’. At the time I thought it was just due to the south pole exit’s proximity.
    So now we have a temporal loop that isn’t just a loop: it’s a loop that’s running in reverse, even as it carries the island back into the past. What this means in real terms is anybody’s guess. Will time keep running backwards until somebody turns that wheel again? Will it only reverse as far back as one revolution of the loop, then correct itself? Will the next series consist of a lot of people running around backwards and talking gibberish? You tell me.
    However there may be some interesting ‘ramifications’…
    SURVIVORS?
    My diagram is a pretty crude approximation of what’s going on. The island’s magnetic field is probably much larger. I compared the island to a black hole and typically a black hole has an event horizon many times larger than the black hole itself. I also think – by extension – that the north pole conduit would be narrower for longer as it approached the island. There are some aspects of the final episode that contradict this thesis, and I’ll get to them in a minute.
    The size of the island’s event horizon is crucial as it’s possible – possible – that anybody who died (while trapped within the event horizon when Ben turned that wheel) will be reincarnated next time round – Keamy, anybody on the freighter etc.
    However, I have a problem with this. I reckon the diagram is pretty accurate when it comes to angle of entry. I assumed that the freighter was moored just outside the island’s event horizon, because they knew the conduit wasn’t accessible by sea and some sort of aircraft was needed to navigate down it, just as a submarine was needed to leave via the south pole exit. This seemed to hold true for most of the series – until Sayid started transporting people to the freighter by boat. This only made sense if the freighter was already within the island’s event horizon, but that doesn’t make any sense because the event horizon is only accessible via the elevated north pole conduit – well, you get my drift. Maybe there’s some sort of special dispensation for small sea craft.[/quote]
    ********************************
    Wow, a lot to think about – thanks! What are your thoughts then, about the first (for us) “purple sky event” – Desmond’s fail-safe key?

  11. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="234791"]
    ********************************
    Wow, a lot to think about – thanks! What are your thoughts then, about the first (for us) “purple sky event” – Desmond’s fail-safe key?[/quote]
    +++++++++
    I too am curious on your thoughts of the fail safe key/purple sky event.

    BTW, it’s all good about TWT.

  12. PJSander says:

    Thanks, AF, for explaining the diagram. Without the explanation, I was completely LOST. It makes a lot of sense. Curious to see how that plays out with those left on the island. Will Sawyer lose his perpetual three day growth? LOL

    As an aside, has anyone else found that they need to type the word “lost” for a reason outside of the tv show, and have to backspace and retype because you did it in ALL CAPS? That has happened to me twice in the last couple of days! *G*

    : ) P

  13. deangoodes says:

    I’m not seeing how the VHS going backwards was an “Easter Egg”. It started going backwards well before Ben turned the Donkey Wheel.

  14. Aonghus Fallon says:

    The Dharma initiative were able to access the island because they arrived at a time when it was on the cusp of pole reversal. Both poles were repelling and attracting at much diminished levels – presumably because they were expressing a mix of both characteristics. The Swan centre was erected over the north pole conduit and machinery was built that let Dharma scientests modulate the island’s poles to maintain this delicate equilibrium. Entering the numbers simply prevented pole reversal from taking place, probably by counter-acting any changes in the direction of the magnetic current. The task was deliberately designed so that it could only be carried out by a human agent, and that correction actually occurred – too much was at stake for the situation to be monitored and corrected by purely mechanical means.

    We can assume the failsafe was a built to counteract violent changes in the magnetic equilibriium if the numbers were not entered. This was an emergency procedure designed to give Dharma staff time to leave before full pole reversal took place – Dharma technology doesn’t seem to have been up to controlling the current when it began to express itself in a more extreme fashion.

    The purple sky incident has two distinct phases – or three, if you count the aftermath.
    Phase one kicked in when the numbers weren’t entered. The conduit began to manifest strong magnetic pull.
    Phase two – Des implements the failsafe. This was simply meant to neutralise the effect of the magentic pull, but (possibly due to aging, faulty equipment or lousy calculations by the Dharma Initiative) it over-compensated, causing a surge or spike in the positive current. The purple sky was probably a ‘gravitational red shift’ , indicating a deceleration in time or time stoppage. We can assume this phenomena occurred directly prior to the surge, when the two conflicting forces briefly cancelled one another out.
    Phase three. The current relapses back into a state of negative flux. We know this happened, because the swan centre imploded.

    All this stuff is only interesting in terms of its effect on the key participents and may give us an important clue re the nature of ‘time reversal’ on the island, specifically how it affects people. The positive surge did not catapult Des, Charlie, Ecko and Locke into the future. They remained trapped in the island’s temporal loop. The surge was of brief duration – minutes or seconds – and as a result it was highly localised. It radiated out from the Swan Station but did not envelop the island. However anybody caught within the blast experienced time reversal as the current was temporarily reversed. The key participents should have been killed, but instead woke up to find themselves physically OK, with no memory of how they got there. The last few minutes/seconds of their respective lives had been ‘rewound.’
    In this regard, I think the writers are suggsting an ‘erase and rewind’ version of time reversal. Events do not repeat themselves even after time reversal ceases and time moves forward – this would also be consistent with what Jacob and Ben are trying to do.

  15. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="235038"]I’m not seeing how the VHS going backwards was an “Easter Egg”. It started going backwards well before Ben turned the Donkey Wheel.[/quote]

    I guess it could be and egg, but I thought it was more of tease than anything. Just before the Dr. was about to give us info, boom, VCR goes haywire, the tape rewinds and we get nothing….

  16. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="233846"]PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN!

    First class fodder here![/quote]
    FODDER ( wink ), funny.

    It is a very interesting theory, however, how is this gonna be explained to the “normal” viewer, and how on earth could it be presented in terms of the television show. Back to the future 2 and 3 were hard enough for me to comprehend 20 years ago. If everything is based on pole reversals and alternate timelines, things that haven’t even been presented on the show yet, only theorized, I would be very disappointed. JMO. Again it is a very interesting and plausible THEORY, but I hope that is what it ends up, another THEORY.

  17. Aonghus Fallon says:

    I’d like to correct some aspects of my hypothesis re the ‘purple sky episode’.

    Although it seemed the most logical explanation, I thought it unlikely the Dharma Iniative had the technology to implement pole reversal on their own. This meant looking for some other explanation. Thinking about it, I realise I was wrong. The function of the failsafe was, of course, to implement pole reversal (if only in the short term) and the purpose of doing so is equally clear: to reverse time back to a point where it was still possible to punch in those numbers – Hammer, Rita, I wonder if you were ahead of me on this one? The red shift (which being localised, would appear purple against a blue backdrop – i.e. the sky) simply indicated the point of transition when time ceased to flow forward and instead began to flow backward – i.e. for a few moments time was held in abeyance.

  18. Hammer says:

    Yes, I think the show needs to explain better what happened by turning the key. It seems that not only did it allow searchers to locate the island, but also did something to the time line as Dan’s rocket and the dead freighter doctor examples showed. But also, why did the sky turn the same color as when the island was moved?

  19. CAG says:

    [quote comment="235783"]Yes, I think the show needs to explain better what happened by turning the key. It seems that not only did it allow searchers to locate the island, but also did something to the time line as Dan’s rocket and the dead freighter doctor examples showed. But also, why did the sky turn the same color as when the island was moved?[/quote]
    Is there some evidence that the island’s “temporal issues” didn’t exist prior to the key-turning event?

  20. Ale says:

    I think Fallon’s theory is AMAZING!!!! I love reading blogs that creative people write. Thanks for the great posts, and thanks for the diagram!!!

    Excellent Theory

  21. Chris says:

    Wow, pretty cool diagram and a lot of work went into that time line.

  22. lost chicka says:

    Lost withdrawl’s been pretty tough already. I’m rewatching all the seasons again (I started the Thursday after the finale!). So this is fantastic! I don’t really get the loops thing even after reading, but I’m not a dharma initiative scientist for a reason. J did the island move when desmond turned the failsafe key, too? Thus why the island was found? And then ben’s moved it back to where it was before?

    I like the theory, tho I’m not sure if I completely agree with, the whispers being “ghosts” or however you want to say that, (but it is kind of interesting how they tell sawyer “it’ll come back around” just like the man he killed…) but in this theory they would be in the past loop entering into the current time loop. Right?

  23. Aonghus Fallon says:

    Hammer,

    Reversing the poles (if only temporarily) caused the positive current to surge outwards, radiating out from the the swan centre across the island (albeit not very far) but also up through the northpole conduit, while the south pole conduit suddenly began to express magnetic pull. This anamolous behaviour would have been detectible by anybody waiting at the end of either conduit. Widmore had some idea of the south pole conduit’s approximate location or possibly he had a number of monitoring stations. The anamolous reading enabled him to pinpoint its exact location, prior to its ‘shift’ – see below.*

    The primary function of the Swan Station was to stop pole reversal kicking in. Both poles were kept frozen in ‘neutral’. That all changed after the Swan Station was destroyed. The poles began to express their characteristics to a much greater degree with corresponding temporal anomolies etc. This would have made Widmore’s job even easier. I say this with one qualification.*

    The sky turned the same colour on both occasions because the same phenomena occurred on both occasions: pole reversal. The difference was one of degree. I’m guessing the Dharma initiative had some gizmo like a double-switch circuit with one switch being a timer. This would have allowed them to over-ride the main power source and reverse the island’s time line for a matter of minutes – i.e. far enough back into the past to punch in those numbers and get everything back to normal. The last thing they wanted was to have the island’s time-line rewound back years or months into the past – especially while they were still on it! Ben had no reservations about doing so, largely because he was getting off the island anyway, and he seems to have reset the island’s time-line back to a point where it was no longer in its current location.

    * the purple sky event did set in motion a process which resulted in the conduit exit points shifting location. The Svalbard exit suddenly became the Tunisian exit. However, Widmore’s team seem to have been prepared for this and finding the polar bear skeleton helped them pinpoint the island’s location once and for all.

  24. wingman says:

    Fallon I think your veiw is quite impressive and is indeed rooted in lots of logic, but in-terms of telling a story there is no way a writer will choose to explain this in the way you have set this up…This has to be concised in a far more easily digestable way than what is given here…My own take is that Desmond was keeping the island in a temporal loop by pressing the button. When he used the failsafe he got hit with 16 years of maganetic pressure causing him to essentially soak up bits and pieces of past and present, or flashes. When Ben turned the donkey wheel he wasn’t keeping the island in another loop he was simply transporting it to another time//space. I’m not entirely sure that when Jack and company escape the island if the reason we don’t see it is because it’s “hidden” in time or if it just doesn’t exist anymore (i.e. Locke failed)…If Locke failes he still has until 2007 in island time to bring the O6 back to help…

  25. intolost says:

    Wow! Excellent, Fallon! Thanks for the work and thanks for sharing. The LOST withdrawal is tough!!!!!! Anything to survive the hiatus is wonderful!!!

  26. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="235997"]Hammer,

    Reversing the poles (if only temporarily) caused the positive current to surge outwards, radiating out from the the swan centre across the island (albeit not very far) but also up through the northpole conduit, while the south pole conduit suddenly began to express magnetic pull. This anamolous behaviour would have been detectible by anybody waiting at the end of either conduit. Widmore had some idea of the south pole conduit’s approximate location or possibly he had a number of monitoring stations. The anamolous reading enabled him to pinpoint its exact location, prior to its ‘shift’ – see below.*

    The primary function of the Swan Station was to stop pole reversal kicking in. Both poles were kept frozen in ‘neutral’. That all changed after the Swan Station was destroyed. The poles began to express their characteristics to a much greater degree with corresponding temporal anomolies etc. This would have made Widmore’s job even easier. I say this with one qualification.*

    The sky turned the same colour on both occasions because the same phenomena occurred on both occasions: pole reversal. The difference was one of degree. I’m guessing the Dharma initiative had some gizmo like a double-switch circuit with one switch being a timer. This would have allowed them to over-ride the main power source and reverse the island’s time line for a matter of minutes – i.e. far enough back into the past to punch in those numbers and get everything back to normal. The last thing they wanted was to have the island’s time-line rewound back years or months into the past – especially while they were still on it! Ben had no reservations about doing so, largely because he was getting off the island anyway, and he seems to have reset the island’s time-line back to a point where it was no longer in its current location.

    * the purple sky event did set in motion a process which resulted in the conduit exit points shifting location. The Svalbard exit suddenly became the Tunisian exit. However, Widmore’s team seem to have been prepared for this and finding the polar bear skeleton helped them pinpoint the island’s location once and for all.[/quote]

    +++++++++++++++
    Ah, okay. Thanks for the explanation.

  27. Gary Stokes says:

    wow! some very smart people out there. nice theories! why do you keep saying magnetic pull is south to north though?! it is always north to south.

  28. Aonghus Fallon says:

    One last consideration…

    I said earlier the island was ‘hidden in the past,’ and that if its magnetic field ever failed, it would be exposd to the present. Locke’s mission was to rectify this problem. I wonder if I’m right. There’s another possibility: that the island’s true home is in the past and that shutting down its magnetic field would simply stop it being visited by people from the distant future – i.e. our present.
    Why does this matter? Well, in my original theory I argued the writers were trying to combine two popular myths: that of Eden and the Rebel Angel. In my update I still reckoned the island was Eden, while discounting the Rebel Angel storyline.
    But let’s just assume these two stories did originate on the island. In fact, let’s go one step futher: let’s assume all the characters in ‘Lost’ are players in these two dramas. Why not? Just being on the island means they’re inhabiting the past – and will do so for good if the island’s power source were ever shut down. Is it so remarkable that their stories might be told and re-told by future generations, until they’d become the stuff of legend?
    And it’s easy to imagine the kind of story that might be inspired by, say, the fall from grace of the island’s brightest and most favoured son, his exile (not from the garden, but from the loop, so he’s deprived of the island’s many blessings) and his subsequent attempts to confound his master’s plans. And what about the story of the couple who survive the aftermath of the war between this individual and the island’s master to become the parents of all mankind? To make things really interesting let’s (just for the hell of it) suppose neither story is foregone conclusion, that the future – mankind’s future – is at stake…

  29. Aonghus Fallon says:

    wow! some very smart people out there. nice theories! why do you keep saying magnetic pull is south to north though?! it is always north to south.

    Sorry, Karl – of course you’re right, but I was applying the same geographical terminology to the island as one might to the earth i.e. properly speaking the earth’s north pole is its south dipole.

  30. Aonghus Fallon says:

    Sorry again – of course I meant Gary and not Karl.

  31. Aonghus Fallon says:

    I realise ‘how’ the island works will be largely irrelevant next season, but re-reading this theory after a year and a half (or whatever) I can see a couple of errors, even if the basic idea is correct. There is also one additional facet to the theory that is worth mentioning. This is a logical development of the notion that the island’s ‘proper’ home is in the past and relates to the apparent movement of the conduit exit points.

    (1) Pole reversal. I blamed the temporal anomalies and the movement of the two conduit exit points on pole reversal. Not so – although pole reversal did occur during the ‘purple phase’ incident and obviously when Ben pulled the donkey wheel. I was correct when I said the Swan Station was built to keep the poles frozen. Its destruction enabled the island to return to its natural state and in its natural state there is time dilation – the paradox of the murdered doctor – along with the apparent movement of the conduit exit points.

    (2) The rotation of the earth. I say apparent because the conduit exit points do not move, although there is evidence to suggest the island rotates on its axis. Rather it is the earth that rotates while the exit conduits exert positive and negative pull via a series of discrete pulses out into the future (relatively speaking)* from the island’s fixed location in the past. The pulses are not exactly synchronous. Working out the actual maths for this is a bit outside of my comfort zone, but one example would be the twelve hour discrepancy between entry and exit points in our time line, with the result that (when frozen) the exit point was on the opposite side of the world from the entry point.

    *the notion of a constant (something in a fixed position) and an inconsistent (something which moves but exists in tangential relation to its constant) is a theme running through the show and applies not just to the characters but to many other aspects of it as well, but because the writers like to screw with the viewers’ heads, in many cases what appears to be the inconstant is in fact the constant – e.g. Horace’s cabin.

  32. Aonghus Fallon says:

    The loop. Keep in mind that the ‘loop’ not only encompasses everything that happens on the island, but all human history from the time-line in the next series (early cretaceous) up to the plane crash, and that this has been going on for some time* with different sets of characters and with a number of different outcomes to the ‘battle’.

    This is what I meant when I said that neither story (Adam & Eve/Lucifer) had a foregone conclusion. For all we know the characters are already inhabiting a time-line in which Lucifer won that crucial battle rather than lost it.

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