The Little Prince

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After last week’s cliff hanger with Charlotte near-death, tonight we shift back off-Island and will see more of the Oceanic 6 – most would speculate the title of this episode would refer to Aaron, but I’m not so sure. It will be interesting to see how Ben pulls the group together with his limited time and resources to do so…

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“Kate discovers that someone knows the secret of Aaron’s true parental lineage. Meanwhile, the dramatic shifts through time are placing the lives of the remaining island survivors in extreme peril.”

Given the episode description, I would think it’s fair to say we’ll see more of the who/why associated with the lawyers that showed up at Kate’s door earlier this year. It will be interesting to see if/when we find out who is behind the threat to reveal that Aaron is not really Kate’s biological son.

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485 Responses to The Little Prince

  1. LostGrrl says:

    My guess… the “lawyers” are really Others that Ben has dispatched on Kate, so that she feels unsafe in her own home and realizes that going back to the island would be a good thing.

    We shall see…

  2. Skweez says:

    [quote comment="312326"]My guess… the “lawyers” are really Others that Ben has dispatched on Kate, so that she feels unsafe in her own home and realizes that going back to the island would be a good thing.

    We shall see…[/quote]

    I think these guys were hired by Sun. She seemed real spooky in her previous encounter with Kate and I think she blames her for Jen’s death, despite what she told Kate. Although I have to wonder why Sun would want to expose the lie they have all been telling.

  3. Missy says:

    There are most definitley alot of parallels that could be drawn from tonights episode and a book sharing the same name…

    “The Little Prince” by French aviator Antoine de Saint-Exupéry:
    From Wikipedia –
    Though ostensibly a children’s book, The Little Prince makes several profound and idealistic points about life and human nature. Saint-Exupéry tells of meeting a young prince in the middle of the Sahara. The essence of the book is contained in the famous lines uttered by the fox to the Little Prince: “On ne voit bien qu’avec le cœur. L’essentiel est invisible pour les yeux.” (One cannot see well except with the heart, the essential is invisible to the eyes). Other key thematic messages are articulated by the fox, such as: “You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed” and “It is the time you have spent with your rose that makes your rose so important. ” Much more to be read at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Little_Prince.

  4. jleebee says:

    [quote comment="312326"]My guess… the “lawyers” are really Others that Ben has dispatched on Kate, so that she feels unsafe in her own home and realizes that going back to the island would be a good thing.

    We shall see…[/quote]
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    i agree, i do not think it it Sun.

    is it possible that the lawyers are Gabriel and the other guy that Ben asked Jill about in the butcher shop?

  5. Miraks says:

    I am so excited about this one. The Little Prince was/ is my favorite childhood book. Some points:
    -The little prince is a small blonde haired boy.
    -The narrator meets the mysterious prince after his plane crashes in the desert.
    -The prince has visited 6 planets before coming to earth.
    -The people the prince meets are a king, a vain man, a drunkard, a businessman, a lamplighter, and a geographer.
    -The prince can only return to his own planet by dying. He gets bitten by a snake in order to do so. His body disapears.

  6. LostAddict says:

    The Little Prince has to reference a generational shift in power as in a King to a prince:

    ?(Jacob) to Richard
    Richard to Widmore
    Widmore to Ben
    Ben to Locke
    Locke to ? (Aaron or Charlie)

  7. Hammer says:

    I heard this on another blog a couple of days ago…just read the book over the last couple of days and agree that it’s what they are alluding to.

  8. Hurley's Dad says:

    Ben mentioned to Jill in the butcher shop “Have Gabriel and Jeffrey checked in yet?”

    My guess is their last names are Agostini & Norton, and this is Ben’s way of getting Kate to run again, forcing her to break her “10-year stay in California probation:.

  9. Jaime says:

    [quote comment="312383"]I am so excited about this one. The Little Prince was/ is my favorite childhood book. Some points:
    -The little prince is a small blonde haired boy.
    -The narrator meets the mysterious prince after his plane crashes in the desert.
    -The prince has visited 6 planets before coming to earth.
    -The people the prince meets are a king, a vain man, a drunkard, a businessman, a lamplighter, and a geographer.
    -The prince can only return to his own planet by dying. He gets bitten by a snake in order to do so. His body disapears.[/quote]

    #####################################################
    Do you know the name of the planet he was from?
    Since this is written by a french man i can’t help but think….who else do we know that is french. Maybe this ep will have something to do with Rousseau. That would be great. We have been waiting too long for her story.

    I also think that the attorneys “client” is Ben. That is his way of getting Kate back to the island. Jack told Ben that Kate would never agree to go back. Aaron is the leverage he needs.

  10. Hoof_Hearted says:

    The Little Prince’s home planet (or Asteroid) was B-612

  11. I love the fact that the LOST creators continue to involve real world information into their clever story line/plot. If this episode’s title really does reference the fictional book “The Little Prince” my vote is secured for best tv series ever. I cannot wait to see what this episode holds in store for tonight.

  12. Jaime says:

    WHOA!!! I just put AGOSTINI and NORTON into an anagram solver and it came up with ATTAINING DONOR SON
    Pretty cool. I mean i guess we already knew their (attorney’s) intentions but i still found it interesting.

  13. K.C. says:

    Just looking at the still of the child who plays Aaron at the top of this blog. The casting is fantasic. He really looks like he could be Emilie DeRavin’s kid.

  14. LostAddict says:

    [quote comment="312383"]I am so excited about this one. The Little Prince was/ is my favorite childhood book. Some points:
    -The little prince is a small blonde haired boy.
    -The narrator meets the mysterious prince after his plane crashes in the desert.
    -The prince has visited 6 planets before coming to earth.
    -The people the prince meets are a king, a vain man, a drunkard, a businessman, a lamplighter, and a geographer.
    -The prince can only return to his own planet by dying. He gets bitten by a snake in order to do so. His body disapears.[/quote]

    Ok … So are the people the prince meets? My guess is:

    King = Locke
    Vain Man = Said
    Geograper = Kate
    Drunk = Jack
    Businessman (woman) = Sun
    Lamplighter = Hurley

  15. Hoof_Hearted says:

    Off Topic and not specifically about this episode but I heard/read this elsewhere it had me thinking….

    Does anyone else put together a possible correlation between Theresa Spencer (woman in the coma) and the woman Boone was talking about in his vision to Locke in Season 1?

    “Theresa falls up the stairs, Theresa falls down the stairs.”

    It is said that Theresa (according to Boone) was his Nanny that used to watch him when he was 6, and that he used to call her constantly to his room because he was left alone. One day she fell and broke her neck…nothing is said or mentioned of her dying, just that she broke her neck.

    Theresa Spencer, now being taken care of her sister Abigail in England, is in a coma state of temporal displacement, perhaps at one point she was Boones nanny?

  16. Jaime says:

    [quote comment="312383"]I am so excited about this one. The Little Prince was/ is my favorite childhood book. Some points:
    -The little prince is a small blonde haired boy.
    -The narrator meets the mysterious prince after his plane crashes in the desert.
    -The prince has visited 6 planets before coming to earth.
    -The people the prince meets are a king, a vain man, a drunkard, a businessman, a lamplighter, and a geographer.
    -The prince can only return to his own planet by dying. He gets bitten by a snake in order to do so. His body disapears.[/quote]

    ****************************************************

    i found this interesting

    consider the broad strokes of The Little Prince’s plot. After a series of stops on other meteorites, the Little Prince is marooned on Earth. He is full of regret. He now realizes he should never have left his meteorite and his complicated little flower. At one point, the Little Prince learns from a wise fox that ”you become responsible for what you’ve tamed.” The fox explains that these tamed ”things” are your friends — the people who’ve come to trust you, love you, and depend on you because of the amount of time you’ve invested in their lives. In the final chapters, you get the sense that the immense distance from the place where he truly belongs is literally killing the Little Prince. As the troubled hero’s wisdom and maturity grow and his existential/physical crisis intensifies…(Jack) — especially when you reach the part where the Little Prince makes a risky pact with a deadly, duplicitous snake (Ben) that will resolve, once and for all, his homesick blues. Might this conclusion foreshadow —Jack’s (or someone’s) ”Return to the Island” story line? Something to consider over the next few episodes.

  17. new losty says:

    I think lock is the prince because if you don’t add in what they look like it matches because locke dies so the O6 would go back to the island.

  18. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="312413"]Off Topic and not specifically about this episode but I heard/read this elsewhere it had me thinking….

    Does anyone else put together a possible correlation between Theresa Spencer (woman in the coma) and the woman Boone was talking about in his vision to Locke in Season 1?

    “Theresa falls up the stairs, Theresa falls down the stairs.”

    It is said that Theresa (according to Boone) was his Nanny that used to watch him when he was 6, and that he used to call her constantly to his room because he was left alone. One day she fell and broke her neck…nothing is said or mentioned of her dying, just that she broke her neck.

    Theresa Spencer, now being taken care of her sister Abigail in England, is in a coma state of temporal displacement, perhaps at one point she was Boones nanny?[/quote]
    +++++++++++++
    Hoof-Hearted?….I did. LOL.

    I don’t think that’s the case. Dan girl was put in that state by way of Dan’s research, not a fall….I believe.

  19. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="312414"][quote comment="312383"]I am so excited about this one. The Little Prince was/ is my favorite childhood book. Some points:
    -The little prince is a small blonde haired boy.
    -The narrator meets the mysterious prince after his plane crashes in the desert.
    -The prince has visited 6 planets before coming to earth.
    -The people the prince meets are a king, a vain man, a drunkard, a businessman, a lamplighter, and a geographer.
    -The prince can only return to his own planet by dying. He gets bitten by a snake in order to do so. His body disapears.[/quote]

    ****************************************************

    i found this interesting

    consider the broad strokes of The Little Prince’s plot. After a series of stops on other meteorites, the Little Prince is marooned on Earth. He is full of regret. He now realizes he should never have left his meteorite and his complicated little flower. At one point, the Little Prince learns from a wise fox that ”you become responsible for what you’ve tamed.” The fox explains that these tamed ”things” are your friends — the people who’ve come to trust you, love you, and depend on you because of the amount of time you’ve invested in their lives. In the final chapters, you get the sense that the immense distance from the place where he truly belongs is literally killing the Little Prince. As the troubled hero’s wisdom and maturity grow and his existential/physical crisis intensifies…(Jack) — especially when you reach the part where the Little Prince makes a risky pact with a deadly, duplicitous snake (Ben) that will resolve, once and for all, his homesick blues. Might this conclusion foreshadow —Jack’s (or someone’s) ”Return to the Island” story line? Something to consider over the next few episodes.[/quote]
    ++++++++++++++
    Yeah, I am thinking right off the top that Locke ‘has to die’ to go back ‘home’. Making Locke the little prince.

    Heck, maybe ALL of the O6 will ‘die’ to get back?

  20. Miraks says:

    [quote comment="312404"]I love the fact that the LOST creators continue to involve real world information into their clever story line/plot. If this episode’s title really does reference the fictional book “The Little Prince” my vote is secured for best tv series ever. I cannot wait to see what this episode holds in store for tonight.[/quote]
    I am 100% positive it does. The Little Prince is one of the top ten selling books of all time. It can’t be coinsidence that this episode is named The Little Prince.

  21. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="312410"]Just looking at the still of the child who plays Aaron at the top of this blog. The casting is fantasic. He really looks like he could be Emilie DeRavin’s kid.[/quote]

    I agree. On a side note, the child who portrays Aaron now was also one of the multitude of newborns who portrayed him as a baby.

    : ) P

  22. PJSander says:

    One quote I found from Le Petit Prince, is

    “In the face of an overpowering mystery, you don’t dare disobey.”

    That could definitely fit in with LOST!

    Another blog, someone was talking about how the Little Prince has to be bitten by a snake so that he can return to his world. I read this, which also makes a lot of sense:

    The Little Prince tells the pilot that he shouldn’t come see him when the snake bites him because “it will look as if I’m dead, but I won’t be”. He says he needs to get back to his rose because “she is so weak and naive and unable to protect herself from the world at all”. His world is “so very small”.

    With D&C’s penchant for allusions to literary works, I feel like the episode HAS to relate to this. However, I find that no matter how much I predict, I am wrong more often than I am right! LOL

    : ) P

  23. Rita says:

    [quote comment="312405"]WHOA!!! I just put AGOSTINI and NORTON into an anagram solver and it came up with ATTAINING DONOR SON
    Pretty cool. I mean i guess we already knew their (attorney’s) intentions but i still found it interesting.[/quote]
    Hey good job! I like this.

  24. Rita says:

    [quote comment="312426"]One quote I found from Le Petit Prince, is

    “In the face of an overpowering mystery, you don’t dare disobey.”

    That could definitely fit in with LOST!

    Another blog, someone was talking about how the Little Prince has to be bitten by a snake so that he can return to his world. I read this, which also makes a lot of sense:

    The Little Prince tells the pilot that he shouldn’t come see him when the snake bites him because “it will look as if I’m dead, but I won’t be”. He says he needs to get back to his rose because “she is so weak and naive and unable to protect herself from the world at all”. His world is “so very small”.

    With D&C’s penchant for allusions to literary works, I feel like the episode HAS to relate to this. However, I find that no matter how much I predict, I am wrong more often than I am right! LOL

    : ) P[/quote]
    ___________________________________
    The more I think about it, without of course the wisdom of the hindsight we will get from actually WATCHING the episode later, I think the little prince must be Locke. The parallels in the book (Le Petit Prince) seem to follow his story best. He travels the from “world to world”, meeting all kinds of people who shape his views and ideas. He eventually longs to go back to his own world, feeling almost desperate to get back there in order to take care of the rose he loves. He has to die in order to do it. It could be anyone (or more than 1 person even), but we shall see!

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  26. Missy says:

    [quote comment="312429"][quote comment="312426"]One quote I found from Le Petit Prince, is

    “In the face of an overpowering mystery, you don’t dare disobey.”

    That could definitely fit in with LOST!

    Another blog, someone was talking about how the Little Prince has to be bitten by a snake so that he can return to his world. I read this, which also makes a lot of sense:

    The Little Prince tells the pilot that he shouldn’t come see him when the snake bites him because “it will look as if I’m dead, but I won’t be”. He says he needs to get back to his rose because “she is so weak and naive and unable to protect herself from the world at all”. His world is “so very small”.

    With D&C’s penchant for allusions to literary works, I feel like the episode HAS to relate to this. However, I find that no matter how much I predict, I am wrong more often than I am right! LOL

    : ) P[/quote]
    ___________________________________
    The more I think about it, without of course the wisdom of the hindsight we will get from actually WATCHING the episode later, I think the little prince must be Locke. The parallels in the book (Le Petit Prince) seem to follow his story best. He travels the from “world to world”, meeting all kinds of people who shape his views and ideas. He eventually longs to go back to his own world, feeling almost desperate to get back there in order to take care of the rose he loves. He has to die in order to do it. It could be anyone (or more than 1 person even), but we shall see![/quote]
    ***********
    I agree – I think the references draw connections to both Aaron an Locke; since we know that Locke has to “die” to bring everyone back.

  27. Hammer says:

    I don’t see the book relating to Aaron at all. Just because we don’t know anything about Aaron’s ‘character’ yet. Aside from, “Where we goin’ mommy?”, he hasn’t done anything to compare. We only know that a psychic said he is special and Claire told Kate in a dream not to bring him back. Locke on the other hand can be aligned with the book quite well.

  28. Hammer says:

    Of course, my last comment is assuming that they are referencing the book. It might just be the obvious….Aaron is a little prince. :)

  29. Jaime says:

    [quote comment="312435"]I don’t see the book relating to Aaron at all. Just because we don’t know anything about Aaron’s ‘character’ yet. Aside from, “Where we goin’ mommy?”, he hasn’t done anything to compare. We only know that a psychic said he is special and Claire told Kate in a dream not to bring him back. Locke on the other hand can be aligned with the book quite well.[/quote]
    ***************************************************

    Locke is the “little prince” for sure…..guess we will all see here shortly. Back to work for me, LOST Wednesdays are so distracting :)

  30. DocH says:

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    Here are the top 20 from LOSTBLOG.
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    #Ranking – Team Name
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    295 abyss team
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    891 Home Run Derby
    1189 Jasper Dog
    1189 They Moved The Island
    1359 Gup’s team
    1603 Mommy Lins Team
    1651 Hammer’s Whisperers
    1752 cndwelch
    1752 PerdueNTraduction
    1876 maddisxx7
    2076 Brotha Des
    2076 mutex
    2076 nacheeto
    2213 enobeet’s team
    2249 Dakota

  31. Jaime says:

    [quote comment="312437"][quote comment="312435"]I don’t see the book relating to Aaron at all. Just because we don’t know anything about Aaron’s ‘character’ yet. Aside from, “Where we goin’ mommy?”, he hasn’t done anything to compare. We only know that a psychic said he is special and Claire told Kate in a dream not to bring him back. Locke on the other hand can be aligned with the book quite well.[/quote]
    ***************************************************

    Locke is the “little prince” for sure…..guess we will all see here shortly. Back to work for me, LOST Wednesdays are so distracting :)[/quote]
    ******************************************8
    Or it could be Jack…..yeah distracted, not getting any work done :) ha ha

  32. blahgirls says:

    even little suri is trying to figure out what’s going on! http://www.blahgirls.com/blog/overheard-suri-and-katie/

  33. DocH says:

    … the “lawyers” are really Others that Ben has dispatched on Kate, so that she feels unsafe in her own home and realizes that going back to the island would be a good thing.

    But “the rules have changed” – meaning Aaron is fair game for the Widmore troops at Kate’s door.

    Ben is a benefactor to the child. Sun too. She has probably pooled all of her resources/riches with Ben and the off-island others – to finance the fight against Widmore. She wants to go back VERY badly. (Aaron & Ji-Yeon = Adam & Eve?)

  34. LINS says:

    [quote comment="312435"]I don’t see the book relating to Aaron at all. Just because we don’t know anything about Aaron’s ‘character’ yet. Aside from, “Where we goin’ mommy?”, he hasn’t done anything to compare. We only know that a psychic said he is special and Claire told Kate in a dream not to bring him back. Locke on the other hand can be aligned with the book quite well.[/quote]

    I agree Hammer, that Locke is a much better fit as far as literary comparisons, but Aaron seems more obvious as far as the general public is concerned. Who knows, Claire’s mom could show up and be the one demanding him back…

  35. Rita says:

    [quote comment="312454"][quote comment="312435"]I don’t see the book relating to Aaron at all. Just because we don’t know anything about Aaron’s ‘character’ yet. Aside from, “Where we goin’ mommy?”, he hasn’t done anything to compare. We only know that a psychic said he is special and Claire told Kate in a dream not to bring him back. Locke on the other hand can be aligned with the book quite well.[/quote]

    I agree Hammer, that Locke is a much better fit as far as literary comparisons, but Aaron seems more obvious as far as the general public is concerned. Who knows, Claire’s mom could show up and be the one demanding him back…[/quote]
    ________________________________
    It’s possible that D&C could be making a case for BOTH Locke and Aaron (they usually have more than one meaning in mind for titles). Maybe we will see more of Locke’s childhood tonight, where ‘little prince’ seems more obvious for him (general public-wise, that is), but if there is a reference to “The Little Prince” (The book), it just has to be Locke.

  36. DocH says:

    I think the “Little Prince” will have a big influence on the “numbers”. The last thing we saw off-island, before this episode, was Math Witch Hawking doing her equation voo-doo with Ben in math church – with the “Event Window Determined” warning on the PC screen.

    That, or it is another nuclear device. “Fat Man”, “Little Boy” and “Jughead” are nukes. Why not “Little Prince”? It is Feb Ratings Sweeps now (US) – they have to go BIG with something.

  37. NikkiV says:

    When I google the address said in the last sneak peek, the address comes up in Las Vegas. ???????????

  38. Rita says:

    [quote comment="312503"]I think the “Little Prince” will have a big influence on the “numbers”. The last thing we saw off-island, before this episode, was Math Witch Hawking doing her equation voo-doo with Ben in math church – with the “Event Window Determined” warning on the PC screen.

    That, or it is another nuclear device. “Fat Man”, “Little Boy” and “Jughead” are nukes. Why not “Little Prince”? It is Feb Ratings Sweeps now (US) – they have to go BIG with something.[/quote]
    _______________________
    Ah…another possible meaning for the title. Like I said already, there is usually more than one meaning, even when we know what is happening. You might be right and we will find out very soon! (I’m sticking my neck out and going with Locke as the Little Prince though!)

  39. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="312419"][quote comment="312414"][quote comment="312383"]I am so excited about this one. The Little Prince was/ is my favorite childhood book. Some points:
    -The little prince is a small blonde haired boy.
    -The narrator meets the mysterious prince after his plane crashes in the desert.
    -The prince has visited 6 planets before coming to earth.
    -The people the prince meets are a king, a vain man, a drunkard, a businessman, a lamplighter, and a geographer.
    -The prince can only return to his own planet by dying. He gets bitten by a snake in order to do so. His body disapears.[/quote]

    ****************************************************

    i found this interesting

    consider the broad strokes of The Little Prince’s plot. After a series of stops on other meteorites, the Little Prince is marooned on Earth. He is full of regret. He now realizes he should never have left his meteorite and his complicated little flower. At one point, the Little Prince learns from a wise fox that ”you become responsible for what you’ve tamed.” The fox explains that these tamed ”things” are your friends — the people who’ve come to trust you, love you, and depend on you because of the amount of time you’ve invested in their lives. In the final chapters, you get the sense that the immense distance from the place where he truly belongs is literally killing the Little Prince. As the troubled hero’s wisdom and maturity grow and his existential/physical crisis intensifies…(Jack) — especially when you reach the part where the Little Prince makes a risky pact with a deadly, duplicitous snake (Ben) that will resolve, once and for all, his homesick blues. Might this conclusion foreshadow —Jack’s (or someone’s) ”Return to the Island” story line? Something to consider over the next few episodes.[/quote]
    ++++++++++++++
    Yeah, I am thinking right off the top that Locke ‘has to die’ to go back ‘home’. Making Locke the little prince.

    Heck, maybe ALL of the O6 will ‘die’ to get back?[/quote]
    ++++++++++++++++
    Hammer, you stole my comment. GMTA

  40. Rita says:

    OOOh, so the light beam happened during a time when they were all there, when Aaron was being born. Did they see it at the time?

    It seems that only the travelers are able to see the bright time-jumping lights – no one else seems to react when it happens.

    No sign of our “little prince” yet!! (Still sticking with it being Locke :)

  41. Hammer says:

    Miles is next for TD. I’d say Miles and Char are def. ‘back’ on the island.

  42. Hammer says:

    Whoever called Claire’s family….winner, winner, chicken dinner.

  43. michael says:

    The most logical person to want aaron. But how does she know?

  44. Rita says:

    [quote comment="312552"]OOOh, so the light beam happened during a time when they were all there, when Aaron was being born. Did they see it at the time?

    [/quote]
    OK, sorry, I thought the light looked familiar – had a nose bleed moment there :)

  45. lostmama says:

    [quote comment="312555"]Miles is next for TD. I’d say Miles and Char are def. ‘back’ on the island.[/quote]

    Me too. I figured it was Claires mum too trying to get Aaron too…first time I thought something right lol

  46. Rita says:

    [quote comment="312559"]The most logical person to want aaron. But how does she know?[/quote]
    I don’t think it will bode well that Sun has Aaron

  47. CLM says:

    What happens from the other people’s view when the light flashes? For instance, what did the people on the other boat see when Locke and crew time traveled? Were they suddenly shooting at nothing?

  48. lostmama says:

    [quote comment="312559"]The most logical person to want aaron. But how does she know?[/quote]

    maybe she just thought about it logically she (claire) was pregnant on the plane maybe she just put 2 and 2 together or someone (widmore etc.) helped her figure it out or question it

  49. Hammer says:

    I get the feeling that Sun told Claire’s mom.

  50. lostmama says:

    [quote comment="312564"]What happens from the other people’s view when the light flashes? For instance, what did the people on the other boat see when Locke and crew time traveled? Were they suddenly shooting at nothing?[/quote]

    humm…good question the people on the plane when the island moved just saw nothing all the sudden

  51. Hammer says:

    Cancel that.

  52. lostmama says:

    [quote comment="312561"][quote comment="312555"]Miles is next for TD. I’d say Miles and Char are def. ‘back’ on the island.[/quote]

    Me too. I figured it was Claires mum too trying to get Aaron too…first time I thought something right lol[/quote]

    darn should have know I was wrong! maybe the whole thing is a ben gimmic

  53. michael says:

    WOW!! HAD US GOING

  54. Hammer says:

    Whoever called Ben….winner, winner, chicken dinner. :(

  55. michael says:

    [quote comment="312574"]Whoever called Ben….winner, winner, chicken dinner. :([/quote]

    I’ll share some cred on that but im afraid it will change again

  56. lostmama says:

    It’s JIN!!!!!! :):):)

  57. Hammer says:

    Rousseau!!! And the freigher was in the radius…called it!!

  58. michael says:

    [quote comment="312576"]It’s JIN!!!!!! :):):)[/quote]
    So glad its Jin

  59. lostmama says:

    [quote comment="312577"]Rousseau!!! And the freigher was in the radius…called it!![/quote]

    I am so off by the rousseau ans Jin in the smae time

  60. Tasha says:

    Wow…it sure is jumping around now!!!!! I KNEW it was Ben the whole time. But then again it will probably change.

  61. michael says:

    [quote comment="312577"]Rousseau!!! And the freigher was in the radius…called it!![/quote]
    did Rousseau ever meet jin during any of the episodes?

  62. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="312579"][quote comment="312577"]Rousseau!!! And the freigher was in the radius…called it!![/quote]

    I am so off by the rousseau ans Jin in the smae time[/quote]
    Jin skipping thru time with Locke et al, just on a different part of the island’s radius…just like Rose and Bernard.

  63. lostmama says:

    my DH said Jin has prob.been going through time with them just floating in water

  64. Tasha says:

    [quote comment="312579"][quote comment="312577"]Rousseau!!! And the freigher was in the radius…called it!![/quote]

    I am so off by the rousseau ans Jin in the smae time[/quote]

    Yeah. That’s kinda weird. So is he flashing around in time too…in the ocean?

  65. michael says:

    Answers-

    Jins alive

    Ben was setting up kate

    what else

  66. Tasha says:

    Jin probably thinks he is dead LOL.

  67. Rita says:

    [quote comment="312581"][quote comment="312577"]Rousseau!!! And the freigher was in the radius…called it!![/quote]
    did Rousseau ever meet jin during any of the episodes?[/quote]
    Many times, so he would know her, but not visa versa

  68. michael says:

    [quote comment="312589"][quote comment="312581"][quote comment="312577"]Rousseau!!! And the freigher was in the radius…called it!![/quote]
    did Rousseau ever meet jin during any of the episodes?[/quote]
    Many times, so he would know her, but not visa versa[/quote]
    No but Rousseau would when she meet them after the crash

  69. lostmama says:

    [quote comment="312588"]Jin probably thinks he is dead LOL.[/quote]

    I hope he meets up with the other survivors really soon!

  70. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="312587"]Answers-

    Jins alive

    Ben was setting up kate

    what else[/quote]
    +++++++++
    Alex is not Ben’s.

    Sun is gonna try to shoot Ben.

  71. PJSander says:

    So no Voodoo math priestess, but still GREAT episode! JIN!

    JIN!

    Yay, Jin!

    : ) P

  72. Tasha says:

    Jin probably thinks he is dead LOL.

    I think Juliet is Annie. Do we know anything else about her? Maybe that is why Ben was so in love with her because HE knows!

  73. Hammer says:

    Looks like Char, Miles, and Juliette haven’t found a constant yet. The 815 folks have all seen someone from their past while traveling, but those three haven’t.

  74. lostmama says:

    why the whole 70 hour thing, and how once they’re all on board are they gonna get back to the island, and how does their going back fix everything i.e why do they “have to go back?”

  75. michael says:

    Another hit to miles being the cry baby

  76. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="312594"]Jin probably thinks he is dead LOL.

    I think Juliet is Annie. Do we know anything else about her? Maybe that is why Ben was so in love with her because HE knows![/quote]
    +++++++++++++
    Might be…she is experiencing TD like Char and Miles…who I think were born on the island. Maybe she was too.

  77. michael says:

    [quote comment="312598"]Another hit to miles being the cry baby[/quote]
    Hint

  78. Tasha says:

    [quote comment="312595"]Looks like Char, Miles, and Juliette haven’t found a constant yet. The 815 folks have all seen someone from their past while traveling, but those three haven’t.[/quote]

    Yeah but even Dan makes the comment about is Miles SURE he hasn’t been there before.

    I swear the writers read what we write and just blow our minds to pieces!

  79. Liz says:

    Wouldn’t the future Rousseau have remembered Jin from her past encounter? 16 years is a long time, but it’s not like she would have forgotten meeting him…

  80. lostmama says:

    [quote comment="312601"][quote comment="312595"]Looks like Char, Miles, and Juliette haven’t found a constant yet. The 815 folks have all seen someone from their past while traveling, but those three haven’t.[/quote]

    Yeah but even Dan makes the comment about is Miles SURE he hasn’t been there before.

    I swear the writers read what we write and just blow our minds to pieces![/quote]

    I always felt like they have all been there before but who knows

  81. Hammer says:

    Toss up on the funniest line.

    Miles: I think they want their boat back.

    Sawyer: I take it back!!

  82. lostmama says:

    [quote comment="312603"]Wouldn’t the future Rousseau have remembered Jin from her past encounter? 16 years is a long time, but it’s not like she would have forgotten meeting him…[/quote]

    that is the past rosseau and the present Jin so he would remember her she essetially hasn’t met Jin or the other survivors yet she prob. Just go to the island

  83. LostGrrl says:

    Okay, see post #1.. I called it that Ben was the one playing with Kate’s mind. That’s one in 6 years!

    Cool that Jin’s alive and was time traveling the whole time, floating on the sea and getting that bad sunburn. Rousseau! Excellent! Good call from comment #9.

  84. Tasha says:

    I didn’t see anyone point this out earlier…might be a little interesting for everyone talking about the title!

    In 1997, Jean-Pierre Davidts wrote what could be considered a sequel to The Little Prince, entitled Le petit prince retrouvé[8] (‘The Little Prince Returns’). In this version, the narrator is a shipwrecked man who encounters the Little Prince on a lone island; the Prince has returned to find help against a tiger who threatens his sheep.

  85. Trixanna says:

    [quote comment="312599"][quote comment="312594"]Jin probably thinks he is dead LOL.

    I think Juliet is Annie. Do we know anything else about her? Maybe that is why Ben was so in love with her because HE knows![/quote]
    +++++++++++++
    Might be…she is experiencing TD like Char and Miles…who I think were born on the island. Maybe she was too.[/quote]
    Just a random thought, does Juliet age? Might she be Eve and Alpert is Adam? She sure seems to know an awful lot about the island!

  86. lostmama says:

    why is it the more episodes into the show the more commercials 10pm comes way too fast

  87. Tasha says:

    [quote comment="312605"]Toss up on the funniest line.

    Miles: I think they want their boat back.

    Sawyer: I take it back!![/quote]

    I liked when Sawyer said something about whos boat it is….like….
    Other Other’s?

    My husband says I am hearing things and he didn’t say that though.

  88. LostGrrl says:

    So npw that we’ve seen the episode, who’s the Little Prince?

  89. lostmama says:

    [quote comment="312606"][quote comment="312603"]Wouldn’t the future Rousseau have remembered Jin from her past encounter? 16 years is a long time, but it’s not like she would have forgotten meeting him…[/quote]

    that is the past rosseau and the present Jin so he would remember her she essetially hasn’t met Jin or the other survivors yet she prob. Just go to the island[/quote]

    wait just understood what u were adsking…got 2 go back 2 see when they 1st met did she look at him odd, i’m not sure that what they are doing now affects the past

  90. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="312614"][quote comment="312606"][quote comment="312603"]Wouldn’t the future Rousseau have remembered Jin from her past encounter? 16 years is a long time, but it’s not like she would have forgotten meeting him…[/quote]

    that is the past rosseau and the present Jin so he would remember her she essetially hasn’t met Jin or the other survivors yet she prob. Just go to the island[/quote]

    wait just understood what u were adsking…got 2 go back 2 see when they 1st met did she look at him odd, i’m not sure that what they are doing now affects the past[/quote]
    +++++++++++++++
    She was a bit crazed. They can use that as a reason she didn’t say anything….if they need to.

  91. Tasha says:

    [quote comment="312609"][quote comment="312599"][quote comment="312594"]Jin probably thinks he is dead LOL.

    I think Juliet is Annie. Do we know anything else about her? Maybe that is why Ben was so in love with her because HE knows![/quote]
    +++++++++++++
    Might be…she is experiencing TD like Char and Miles…who I think were born on the island. Maybe she was too.[/quote]
    Just a random thought, does Juliet age? Might she be Eve and Alpert is Adam? She sure seems to know an awful lot about the island![/quote]

    I think she does. Something is odd about her lately. But she looks nothing like Annie but i know Goodwin’s wife said she reminded Ben of HER. I have always thought HER is ANNIE. What ever happened to her? I know Ben didn’t kill her. Something bad must have happened to her and that’s why he turned into an evil killer! I know deep inside he would have never killed her cause she was the only person in his life that acted like she gave a crap about him. Ok. Off subject of this episode…sorry.

  92. Kellybeee says:

    did anyone hear what they said about lost untangled?? my dvr cut out as they were announcing what it was!

  93. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="312609"]Just a random thought, does Juliet age? Might she be Eve and Alpert is Adam? She sure seems to know an awful lot about the island![/quote]

    I am not dismissing ANYTHING when it comes to Juliet because she has never been particularly trustworthy. However, we DID see her flashback (Not in Portland) and it sure LOOKED like she lived a “real” life on the mainland before going to the island. Remember Alpert recruited her – and she was bewildered by all that.

    Unless she HAD been on the island and time jumped to that life and forgot about where she had been? I don’t know. Can’t quite go there, yet.

    : ) P

  94. Tasha says:

    [quote comment="312616"][quote comment="312614"][quote comment="312606"][quote comment="312603"]Wouldn’t the future Rousseau have remembered Jin from her past encounter? 16 years is a long time, but it’s not like she would have forgotten meeting him…[/quote]

    that is the past rosseau and the present Jin so he would remember her she essetially hasn’t met Jin or the other survivors yet she prob. Just go to the island[/quote]

    wait just understood what u were adsking…got 2 go back 2 see when they 1st met did she look at him odd, i’m not sure that what they are doing now affects the past[/quote]
    +++++++++++++++
    She was a bit crazed. They can use that as a reason she didn’t say anything….if they need to.[/quote]

    ******

    I was thinking the same thing. She is a little nuts now. She probably wouldn’t remember, but the way it’s going, I think it all happened just the way we saw it. She sure was cute back then.

  95. Liz says:

    [quote comment="312614"][quote comment="312606"][quote comment="312603"]Wouldn’t the future Rousseau have remembered Jin from her past encounter? 16 years is a long time, but it’s not like she would have forgotten meeting him…[/quote]

    that is the past rosseau and the present Jin so he would remember her she essetially hasn’t met Jin or the other survivors yet she prob. Just go to the island[/quote]

    wait just understood what u were adsking…got 2 go back 2 see when they 1st met did she look at him odd, i’m not sure that what they are doing now affects the past[/quote]

    yeah, it was just a thought. i just re-watched season 1 this week too but obviously wasn’t watching for something as specific as Rousseau meeting Jin lol. She was so frazzled when we first met her, maybe they are going to play it off like she forgot Jin.

  96. Tasha says:

    Ok here is a thought. If all the people from her team died from a virus, that looks like this virus that people that have been to the island already died from, does that mean they had been there at one time too? But not Danielle? She said they got the virus from the natives. Will the natives SHE is talking about be Miles and Charlotte? That may be too deep…I was just trying to remember how they died. Maybe they should find that box of immunizations and give it to everyone who is having a nose bleed.

  97. PJSander says:

    Anyone who questions why Rousseau didn’t remember Jin only has to think back to February 1993. Do you remember everything you did then? (ANYTHING you did then?) No. Add to that the fact that, at SOME POINT, Jin is just going to disappear into thin air (flash for him, not for Rousseau). The French team is going to think they imagined him. Add to that, a traumatic few months where she is going lose ALL her team members AND give birth AND have her baby kidnapped. Yeah, not sure anyone would remember Jin. (Plus, he is being written in the MARGIN! LOL)

    : ) P

  98. Trixanna says:

    Loved the episode! It seems like we got some answers but also more questions!

    Ms. Littleton is in town to collect on a settlement? I don’t think so! Isn’t she staying at the same motel (safe house) that Sayid and Hurley were at? Who brought her there? Ben??? It was under false pretenses, but why? If she knows nothing about her grandson, why is she really there?

    The lawyer seems to be pretty busy. He has his hands in EVERYTHING!!

    More things to ponder for a week. Ugh!

  99. Liz says:

    [quote comment="312605"]Toss up on the funniest line.

    Miles: I think they want their boat back.

    Sawyer: I take it back!![/quote]

    ********

    I’ve been laughing out loud at the same line that has been leaving Ben’s mouth alot lately when he surprises an Oceanic 6-er;
    ” Hello, ____”
    His tone, his facial expression and the music in the background just combine to try to make your skin crawl..but I just laugh out loud.

  100. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="312624"]Anyone who questions why Rousseau didn’t remember Jin only has to think back to February 1993. Do you remember everything you did then? (ANYTHING you did then?) No. Add to that the fact that, at SOME POINT, Jin is just going to disappear into thin air (flash for him, not for Rousseau). The French team is going to think they imagined him. Add to that, a traumatic few months where she is going lose ALL her team members AND give birth AND have her baby kidnapped. Yeah, not sure anyone would remember Jin. (Plus, he is being written in the MARGIN! LOL)

    : ) P[/quote]
    ++++++++++++
    Yep, adding to the group’s deaths. I think that they get TD because they entered on the wrong coord. It would explain why Danielle is still a little crazy (see Dan’s girlfriend, not dead but still nutty). She and Alex somehow survive the TD and the rest of the group get shot by Danielle.

  101. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="312625"]Ms. Littleton is in town to collect on a settlement? I don’t think so! Isn’t she staying at the same motel (safe house) that Sayid and Hurley were at? [/quote]

    I don’t think that was the same place that Sayid and Hurley were.

    : ) P

  102. jaime says:

    Slip 23….The Blackrock sailed out of slip 23

  103. Kellybeee says:

    [quote comment="312629"]Slip 23….The Blackrock sailed out of slip 23[/quote]

    how do u remember that?!

  104. Liz says:

    [quote comment="312624"]Anyone who questions why Rousseau didn’t remember Jin only has to think back to February 1993. Do you remember everything you did then? (ANYTHING you did then?) No. Add to that the fact that, at SOME POINT, Jin is just going to disappear into thin air (flash for him, not for Rousseau). The French team is going to think they imagined him. Add to that, a traumatic few months where she is going lose ALL her team members AND give birth AND have her baby kidnapped. Yeah, not sure anyone would remember Jin. (Plus, he is being written in the MARGIN! LOL)

    : ) P[/quote]

    ******
    Yeah I see your point. My train of thought was though that it was such a strange event for her and her team to fish a Korean man who speaks broken English out of the dark waters and onto the island for the very first time she steps foot on it… people remember strange details surrounding periods of shock and trauma. I didn’t think it was a far fetched idea for her memory to be jogged seeing the same guy years down the line–being that she hadn’t met many people in that time.
    =)

  105. Tasha says:

    This is from Lostpedia….supports my theory.

    On the way back from the Black Rock, there was an as yet unexplained encounter. Danielle mysteriously says “It was them. They were the carriers. The Others.” She believes that the other members of the team contracted the sickness from the Others. She later claimed that at least up to the time she had met Sayid, she had never seen one of the Others but only heard them as whispers in the jungle. Because of this, there is no way to know if what she calls the Others are the same as the people who now live at the Barracks.

  106. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="312630"][quote comment="312629"]Slip 23….The Blackrock sailed out of slip 23[/quote]

    how do u remember that?![/quote]
    ++++++++++
    Because it’s one of the numbers.

  107. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="312631"]I didn’t think it was a far fetched idea for her memory to be jogged seeing the same guy years down the line–being that she hadn’t met many people in that time.
    =)[/quote]

    That is definitely fair.

    : ) P

  108. jaime says:

    B612 Little Prince’s asteroid…in french its….Besixdoux which was on Rousseu’s shipwrecked belongins. Any relation there?

  109. skweez says:

    [quote comment="312619"][quote comment="312609"]Just a random thought, does Juliet age? Might she be Eve and Alpert is Adam? She sure seems to know an awful lot about the island![/quote]

    I am not dismissing ANYTHING when it comes to Juliet because she has never been particularly trustworthy. However, we DID see her flashback (Not in Portland) and it sure LOOKED like she lived a “real” life on the mainland before going to the island. Remember Alpert recruited her – and she was bewildered by all that.

    Unless she HAD been on the island and time jumped to that life and forgot about where she had been? I don’t know. Can’t quite go there, yet.

    : ) P[/quote]![/quote]

    I agree 100%. I’ve never trusted her and she certainly has been acting very weird as of late. She may have been recruited but I believe she’s been there a very long time.

  110. jaime says:

    [quote comment="312633"][quote comment="312630"][quote comment="312629"]Slip 23….The Blackrock sailed out of slip 23[/quote]

    how do u remember that?![/quote]
    ++++++++++
    Because it’s one of the numbers.[/quote]****************************************

    my head is filled with all sorts of useless Lost knowledge :) And i was just reading up on Magnus Hanso recently

  111. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="312635"]B612 Little Prince’s asteroid…in french its….Besixdoux which was on Rousseu’s shipwrecked belongins. Any relation there?[/quote]

    Good catch, Jaime!

    : ) P

  112. skweez says:

    Does anyone have any thoughts about who those folks were that were chasing down Locke and company in the canoe/boat?

  113. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="312639"]Does anyone have any thoughts about who those folks were that were chasing down Locke and company in the canoe/boat?[/quote]

    The outrigger looked like it was constructed of very primitive materials. Except for the Ajira Airways (why did JULIET know about them, but not anyone else?!) bottle, I was thinking it was from four-toed statue time. But the bottle says not.

    : ) P

  114. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="312632"]This is from Lostpedia….supports my theory.

    On the way back from the Black Rock, there was an as yet unexplained encounter. Danielle mysteriously says “It was them. They were the carriers. The Others.” She believes that the other members of the team contracted the sickness from the Others. She later claimed that at least up to the time she had met Sayid, she had never seen one of the Others but only heard them as whispers in the jungle. Because of this, there is no way to know if what she calls the Others are the same as the people who now live at the Barracks.[/quote]
    +++++++++++++++
    I don’t think that there really is a ‘virus’ per se. I think that the sickness is TD as everyone’s symtoms are the same. The ‘vaccine’ was used to control the side effects.

  115. Liz says:

    [quote comment="312636"][quote comment="312619"][quote comment="312609"]Just a random thought, does Juliet age? Might she be Eve and Alpert is Adam? She sure seems to know an awful lot about the island![/quote]

    I am not dismissing ANYTHING when it comes to Juliet because she has never been particularly trustworthy. However, we DID see her flashback (Not in Portland) and it sure LOOKED like she lived a “real” life on the mainland before going to the island. Remember Alpert recruited her – and she was bewildered by all that.

    Unless she HAD been on the island and time jumped to that life and forgot about where she had been? I don’t know. Can’t quite go there, yet.

    : ) P[/quote]![/quote]

    I agree 100%. I’ve never trusted her and she certainly has been acting very weird as of late. She may have been recruited but I believe she’s been there a very long time.[/quote]

    ******************
    Totally agree with her acting weird– she’s so calm and almost monotone– her character is just a sounding board for other’s to vent their feelings on recently– i suspect she could be up to something.

  116. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="312640"][quote comment="312639"]Does anyone have any thoughts about who those folks were that were chasing down Locke and company in the canoe/boat?[/quote]

    The outrigger looked like it was constructed of very primitive materials. Except for the Ajira Airways (why did JULIET know about them, but not anyone else?!) bottle, I was thinking it was from four-toed statue time. But the bottle says not.

    : ) P[/quote]
    +++++++++++
    It’s got Widmore written all over it.

  117. jaime says:

    [quote comment="312638"][quote comment="312635"]B612 Little Prince’s asteroid…in french its….Besixdoux which was on Rousseu’s shipwrecked belongins. Any relation there?[/quote]

    Good catch, Jaime!

    : ) P[/quote]
    ##########################################

    Thanks P, I was surprised when i saw it.

  118. Hammer says:

    I’m thinking Widmore got to her before she made the trip to the island. She tried to have Jack kill Ben (maybe she can’t) but Jack renegged (or course corrected).

    Double agent as suggested by someone before?

  119. DocH says:

    Here is one for you. Jack killed Ms. Littleton. He told Kate she was there for a settlement. But we never heard her explain why she was there. Lawyer Norton lured Jack and Kate there so Jack would off her. Norton, who does work for Ben, is part of the grand scheme to get everyone back. All of his actions were choreographed to get Kate, Jack & Aaron to the exact place they are. We have no clue why Littleton was really in Los Angeles, just that Jack considered her a threat (real or imagined) and that he was placed there deliberately to do exactly what occurred. (Ben ALWAYS has a plan). Sun is next to fall into the lure. Hurley too.

  120. PJSander says:

    I just went to the Ajira Airways website. Something odd which I have just noticed… at the bottom middle of the home page, it has time and temperature for all the places it flies. The time should be the same except for the hour, but it isn’t. It is off by hours AND minutes. A time travel hint perhaps?

    The locations have always been familiar: Sydney, LA, Portland, Seoul.

    : ) P

  121. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="312644"][quote comment="312638"][quote comment="312635"]B612 Little Prince’s asteroid…in french its….Besixdoux which was on Rousseu’s shipwrecked belongins. Any relation there?[/quote]

    Good catch, Jaime!

    : ) P[/quote]
    ##########################################

    Thanks P, I was surprised when i saw it.[/quote]
    +++++++++++++
    I am gonna assume that the Little Prince ref. WAS the book as a hint that we would see Rousseau as well as a ref. to Locke’s ongoing quest to ‘die’ to get back ‘home’…as suggested by other folks.

  122. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="312646"]Here is one for you. Jack killed Ms. Littleton. He told Kate she was there for a settlement. But we never heard her explain why she was there. Lawyer Norton lured Jack and Kate there so Jack would off her. Norton, who does work for Ben, is part of the grand scheme to get everyone back. All of his actions were choreographed to get Kate, Jack & Aaron to the exact place they are. We have no clue why Littleton was really in Los Angeles, just that Jack considered her a threat (real or imagined) and that he was placed there deliberately to do exactly what occurred. (Ben ALWAYS has a plan). Sun is next to fall into the lure. Hurley too.[/quote]

    While it is definitely possible, I really HOPE that Jack didn’t kill Carole. But his urgency to get the heck out of that parking lot could result from that. Or the fact that he scared Carole who was going to call the police. IDK.

    : ) P

  123. skweez says:

    [quote comment="312646"]Here is one for you. Jack killed Ms. Littleton. He told Kate she was there for a settlement. But we never heard her explain why she was there. Lawyer Norton lured Jack and Kate there so Jack would off her. Norton, who does work for Ben, is part of the grand scheme to get everyone back. All of his actions were choreographed to get Kate, Jack & Aaron to the exact place they are. We have no clue why Littleton was really in Los Angeles, just that Jack considered her a threat (real or imagined) and that he was placed there deliberately to do exactly what occurred. (Ben ALWAYS has a plan). Sun is next to fall into the lure. Hurley too.[/quote]

    We certainly don’t know what happenned in that room. And I’m having a hard time believing Jack could just walk out after telling Littleton, “the reason Kate and I did what we did with Aaron was to protect him”. It would be quite odd that she would let that go and tell him she was there for a settlement. Also, Jack wanted to get out of there really quick, and he knows that he isn’t coming back so a quick kill wouldn’t be something he’d have to be worried about. Also, I’m having a really hard time figuring our why anyone would go back to the island with Ben except for Jack.

  124. Tasha says:

    [quote comment="312641"][quote comment="312632"]This is from Lostpedia….supports my theory.

    On the way back from the Black Rock, there was an as yet unexplained encounter. Danielle mysteriously says “It was them. They were the carriers. The Others.” She believes that the other members of the team contracted the sickness from the Others. She later claimed that at least up to the time she had met Sayid, she had never seen one of the Others but only heard them as whispers in the jungle. Because of this, there is no way to know if what she calls the Others are the same as the people who now live at the Barracks.[/quote]
    +++++++++++++++
    I don’t think that there really is a ‘virus’ per se. I think that the sickness is TD as everyone’s symtoms are the same. The ‘vaccine’ was used to control the side effects.[/quote]

    Right. That’s kinda what I am trying to say. She just THINKS its a virus. She kills her team members right? Because they are crazy and she thinks they are lost. It never says they just died. She just killed them because they were sick. Well let’s say she runs into our group with Miles and Charlotte. Dont know what happens but she knows something is wrong with them. They disappear and later people in her group start having nose bleeds and acting out of it. Then this could be time replaying itself yet again. Because you can’t change the past or future so they can’t just pull in out of the water. They must have done it before. Next they are going to run into our little…(gosh I want to call them others but its a mixture now)..group with Sawyer. She THINKS it’s a virus. But it is not. I am not sure if i am painting this picture right. Does anyone get what I am saying?

  125. homerlost says:

    off episode question, but i’m new and haven’t seen it discussed. what is the thought on Dan crying when we see him watching tv about the oceanic plane found on the ocean floor?

  126. skweez says:

    [quote comment="312645"]I’m thinking Widmore got to her before she made the trip to the island. She tried to have Jack kill Ben (maybe she can’t) but Jack renegged (or course corrected).

    Double agent as suggested by someone before?[/quote]

    I’ve always believed that her goal was to kill Ben AND make her way back to the mainland. But now I’m thinking that she very well may be on the island for the long haul… Eve, maybe???

  127. jaime says:

    [quote comment="312648"][quote comment="312644"][quote comment="312638"][quote comment="312635"]B612 Little Prince’s asteroid…in french its….Besixdoux which was on Rousseu’s shipwrecked belongins. Any relation there?[/quote]

    Good catch, Jaime!

    : ) P[/quote]
    ##########################################

    Thanks P, I was surprised when i saw it.[/quote]
    +++++++++++++
    I am gonna assume that the Little Prince ref. WAS the book as a hint that we would see Rousseau as well as a ref. to Locke’s ongoing quest to ‘die’ to get back ‘home’…as suggested by other folks.[/quote]
    *****************************************

    ahhhhh yes, tying it all together

  128. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="312651"]Does anyone get what I am saying?[/quote]
    +++++++++
    Yep

  129. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="312650"][quote comment="312646"]Here is one for you. Jack killed Ms. Littleton. He told Kate she was there for a settlement. But we never heard her explain why she was there. Lawyer Norton lured Jack and Kate there so Jack would off her. Norton, who does work for Ben, is part of the grand scheme to get everyone back. All of his actions were choreographed to get Kate, Jack & Aaron to the exact place they are. We have no clue why Littleton was really in Los Angeles, just that Jack considered her a threat (real or imagined) and that he was placed there deliberately to do exactly what occurred. (Ben ALWAYS has a plan). Sun is next to fall into the lure. Hurley too.[/quote]

    We certainly don’t know what happenned in that room. And I’m having a hard time believing Jack could just walk out after telling Littleton, “the reason Kate and I did what we did with Aaron was to protect him”. It would be quite odd that she would let that go and tell him she was there for a settlement. Also, Jack wanted to get out of there really quick, and he knows that he isn’t coming back so a quick kill wouldn’t be something he’d have to be worried about. Also, I’m having a really hard time figuring our why anyone would go back to the island with Ben except for Jack.[/quote]
    ++++++++++
    I don’t think Jack NEEDED to off Claire’s mom. He knows that they are leaving very quickly and she poses no threat to that. Jack MIGHT kill out of need, I just don’t see the need.

  130. Hammer says:

    BTW, Locke ‘knows’ a lot more now. He knew to stay away from the hatch so he wouldn’t see himself. He thought Sawyer may have seen himself and seemed concerned about it.

  131. DocH says:

    [quote comment="312652"]off episode question, but i’m new and haven’t seen it discussed. what is the thought on Dan crying when we see him watching tv about the oceanic plane found on the ocean floor?[/quote]

    My thought for along time now (not originally) is that Daniel realized that event (OA crash discovery) was the start of his “excellent adventure”. He knew the “trigger event” would start him on his path to his destiny. He knew it would come someday, he just didn’t know when. He probably feared and dreaded it. No more couch potatoing for you Dr. Faraday!

  132. Hammer says:

    Bedtime for Bonzo.

    Episode ponder point (with help from DocH on another site):

    The name on the van is Canton Ranier which is an anagram for reincarnation.

    Is Locke really dead and going to be reincarnated on the island or faking his death?

  133. katesFriend says:

    It seemed to me that when the time travelling flash sent them to the time where they were being shot at was very far in the future.

    When Locke focused on Vincent’s collar, the way it came across to me was that Vincent died long enough ago that only his collar was left. The whole camp seemed like it had been abandoned a long time ago.

  134. Tasha says:

    If Sun was reading about Ben he mentions a Melissa. Only connection I found was the District Attorney that was going against Kate in Eggtown. He also mentions someone named Lee Chin but can’t figure out who he is either unless it’s a code name for Locke because he said he committed suicide.

  135. jaime says:

    [quote comment="312657"]BTW, Locke ‘knows’ a lot more now. He knew to stay away from the hatch so he wouldn’t see himself. He thought Sawyer may have seen himself and seemed concerned about it.[/quote]

    *************************************[quote comment="312659"]Bedtime for Bonzo.

    Episode ponder point (with help from DocH on another site):

    The name on the van is Canton Ranier which is an anagram for reincarnation.

    Is Locke really dead and going to be reincarnated on the island or faking his death?[/quote]

    *****************************************

    Could it be possible that “coffin Locke” IS dead because he saw past Locke Then the past Locke takes over?

  136. Tasha says:

    I just went to the link of the site of what Sun was reading. I went thru all that trying to read it and it had nothing to do with Lost but here it is in case anyone wants to know what it said….

    http://www.crimescene.com/beauty.archive/evidence.pi.report.html#findings

  137. Amber says:

    So I was wondering in jughead when sawyer asks Juliet how she knows latin she says something like because shes and other. I know we have been talking about how long she has been there so i wonder if thats a clue. very old language maybe a hint that shes an original islander.

  138. RJ says:

    Hey all-

    In regards to the Ajira Airways reference tonight…I went on their website to browse around and found this interesting connection to the Hatch…on each of the four corners of the boarding pass you can print out there are the same hieroglyphics as flipped over when the buzzer went too low in Season Two down in the Hatch. The writers said that the symbols translated to “Underworld”. Could this airline be the transporter of souls to said Underworld?

    http://70.32.90.124/images/ajira_boardpass.jpg

    Check out the image of the boarding pass there, or just go to the ajiraairways.com

  139. Jennifer says:

    Now that the episode is over, I wrote up a recap of the highlights of “The Little Prince” at http://connectwithyourteens.blogspot.com/2009/02/lost-little-prince-season-5-episode-4.html. I hope you like it.

  140. Dennis says:

    Didn’t really find much too think about(or overthink about! :P ) from this episode, but I did start to wonder, what became of bernard and rose? They can’t have had an offscreen death… that would be silly! Perhaps they die somewhere along the time warp and become the watercave skeletons?

  141. TanziTwo says:

    [quote comment="312674"]So I was wondering in jughead when sawyer asks Juliet how she knows latin she says something like because shes and other. I know we have been talking about how long she has been there so i wonder if thats a clue. very old language maybe a hint that shes an original islander.[/quote]

    Many scientist, including medical ones like Juliet, receive a good quantity of training in Latin. It may be an old language, but it widely used.

    [quote comment="312660"]When Locke focused on Vincent’s collar, the way it came across to me was that Vincent died long enough ago that only his collar was left. The whole camp seemed like it had been abandoned a long time ago.[/quote]

    They never “kill the dog” anymore on a Disney program. They learned their lesson with “Old Yeller” and “Turner and Hooch.” Vincent is probably just out chasing all the rabbits that fall from the sky everytime the island goes through a time/phase change. :)

  142. BaileyLovesLost says:

    I think that Rousseau wouldn’t have remember Jin when they met after the plane crash is because it didn’t happen yet. At the time they first met after the crash, Jin wasn’t in Danielle’s past, Danielle hadn’t pulled him out of the ocean yet.

  143. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="312706"]I think that Rousseau wouldn’t have remember Jin when they met after the plane crash is because it didn’t happen yet. At the time they first met after the crash, Jin wasn’t in Danielle’s past, Danielle hadn’t pulled him out of the ocean yet.[/quote]
    ++++++++
    Yeah, people are still having a hard time with the time travel that LOST has posed for us. The didn’t happen yet part is hard to grasp. If they were to ‘re-show’ that last 4 seasons, character might remember seeing each other, but we are not going to re-do the last 4 seasons to see that effect.

  144. Hammer says:

    Here is my current ‘nose bleed’ explanation.

    The tots got TD because the freighter(Regina) and the zodiac(Minkowski) came into the island’s radius off coord. 305 and therefore began time travel, albeit small. Des got TD by the heli being ‘slightly’ off course. Dan said it effects people differently and doesn’t know why which explains why Lapidus didn’t get TD….yet.

    Miles, Char, Juliette if I am correct, haven’t encountered a constant on the island…yet. Dan has (Desmond), Sawyer has(Kate), Locke has(Richard)…now Jin has(Danielle). So they haven’t experience TD…yet.

  145. BaileyLovesLost says:

    I found this one site that listed a bunch of episodes that are recommended to rewatch that give some sort of clues for this season. I don’t remember the site, but here are the episodes:
    S1: Walkabout, White Rabbit, Deus Ex Machina,
    S2: The 23rd Psalm, Live Together, Die Alone
    S3: Flashes Before Your Eyes, The Man Behind the Curtain
    S4: The Constant, The Shape of Things To Come, There’s No Place Like Home

  146. BaileyLovesLost says:

    I think the reason Desmond got TD was because he was on the island for a longer period of time and was exposed to radiation. Miles, if he was born on the island, would have possibly been on the island longer than the Losties. Charlotte must’ve been there before. I also like your idea, Hammer, about the constants, that makes complete sense to me. I’m wondering why Dan doesn’t tell the group that they need constants. It still doesn’t make sense why Danielle didn’t get TD (if that is in fact what her crew had). Perhaps she did have a constant?
    Here’s a question that really makes me wonder….. who drank all of the Dharma beer?!

  147. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="312713"] It still doesn’t make sense why Danielle didn’t get TD (if that is in fact what her crew had). Perhaps she did have a constant?
    Here’s a question that really makes me wonder….. who drank all of the Dharma beer?![/quote]
    ++++++++++++++++++
    I proposed last night that she DOES get the sickness, it just didn’t kill her, sort of like Dan’s girl in the bed. It effects people differntly and ‘can’ be fatal. There is also the ‘vaccine’ that we’ve seen, maybe she was given that so they could take Alex…ala Claire/Aaron.

    Oh and the beer cans were Sawyer’s other constant….he drank ‘em. :)

  148. BaileyLovesLost says:

    Do you remember in S3 when Claire got sick….. did she have a nosebleed?? I can’t remember. But I remember how she did need a vaccine.

  149. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="312717"]Do you remember in S3 when Claire got sick….. did she have a nosebleed?? I can’t remember. But I remember how she did need a vaccine.[/quote]
    +++++++++
    I thought they drugged her, which made her forget about the crash, she thought she was in Australia still.

    Aaron was sick and Danielle thought is was the ‘sickness’ and they were giving him the ‘vaccine’ from the food drop, but it was just rosela…right?

  150. Juliethater says:

    Here’s my thoughts- Rousseau’s group are scientists right? Why on earth would Rousseau be traveling on a science mission, 7 months pregnant to begin with?

  151. Tasha says:

    Has anyone seen anything interesting around Kate’s address? The rd is in NV but I found these definitions for Panoroma.

    1. An unbroken view of an entire surrounding area.
    2. A comprehensive presentation; a survey: a panorama of American literature.
    3. A picture or series of pictures representing a continuous scene, often exhibited a part at a time by being unrolled and passed before the spectator.
    4. A mental vision of a series of events.

  152. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="312662"][quote comment="312657"]BTW, Locke ‘knows’ a lot more now. He knew to stay away from the hatch so he wouldn’t see himself. He thought Sawyer may have seen himself and seemed concerned about it.[/quote]

    *************************************[quote comment="312659"]Bedtime for Bonzo.

    Episode ponder point (with help from DocH on another site):

    The name on the van is Canton Ranier which is an anagram for reincarnation.

    Is Locke really dead and going to be reincarnated on the island or faking his death?[/quote]

    *****************************************

    Could it be possible that “coffin Locke” IS dead because he saw past Locke Then the past Locke takes over?[/quote]

    _________________________________________
    Might be on to something. What happened in the Dharma video when the two duplicate rabbits were together?

  153. BaileyLovesLost says:

    Maybe they were out at sea for a really long time and she got pregnant on the boat.

  154. sector7 says:

    Dan said he thinks they are getting TD sickness based on the amount of time they have spent on the island. I don’t think it has anything to do with constants in this case.

  155. flgrl says:

    [quote comment="312674"]So I was wondering in jughead when sawyer asks Juliet how she knows latin she says something like because shes and other. I know we have been talking about how long she has been there so i wonder if thats a clue. very old language maybe a hint that shes an original islander.[/quote]

    I also wouldn’t read that much into Juliette knowing Latin. I actually know several people that can speak it fluently (just for a strange kind of fun) and, like all languages, just takes a few years of intensive study to learn.

    She IS acting freakishly distant though. Maybe in shock?

  156. BaileyLovesLost says:

    When Desmond time travelled it was only his conscience that time travelled, not his body. Sawyer, Juliette, Miles, Dan, Locke and Charlotte are time travelling physically. Could it be that if you time travel with you conscience you need a constant, when you time travel physically it’s determined by how long you’ve been on the island?

  157. Tasha says:

    What is TD? Traveler’s diarrhea?

  158. lost rocks says:

    [quote comment="312657"]BTW, Locke ‘knows’ a lot more now. He knew to stay away from the hatch so he wouldn’t see himself. He thought Sawyer may have seen himself and seemed concerned about it.[/quote]

    ******************************’

    Why can’t you see yourself? Could that serve as a constant?

  159. lost rocks says:

    [quote comment="312657"]BTW, Locke ‘knows’ a lot more now. He knew to stay away from the hatch so he wouldn’t see himself. He thought Sawyer may have seen himself and seemed concerned about it.[/quote]

    ******************************’

    Why can’t you see yourself? Could that serve as a constant?

  160. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="312727"]What is TD? Traveler’s diarrhea?[/quote]
    ___________________________________________
    I thought we were using that for time displacement

  161. lost rocks says:

    [quote comment="312713"]I think the reason Desmond got TD was because he was on the island for a longer period of time and was exposed to radiation. Miles, if he was born on the island, would have possibly been on the island longer than the Losties. Charlotte must’ve been there before. I also like your idea, Hammer, about the constants, that makes complete sense to me. I’m wondering why Dan doesn’t tell the group that they need constants. It still doesn’t make sense why Danielle didn’t get TD (if that is in fact what her crew had). Perhaps she did have a constant?
    Here’s a question that really makes me wonder….. who drank all of the Dharma beer?![/quote]

    ************************************
    Do you think Danielle and Jin are each other’s constants!!!

  162. flgrl says:

    [quote comment="312730"][quote comment="312727"]What is TD? Traveler’s diarrhea?[/quote]
    ___________________________________________
    I thought we were using that for time displacement[/quote]

    I’m so glad someone else asked that. I was starting to feel really lost. :)

    Technical blog question now: Is it ok to discuss things that Damon and Carlton mention on their vodcast or is that off limits? I can definitely answer at least one of these questions if it’s ok, but I don’t want to piss anyone off.

  163. lost rocks says:

    [quote comment="312730"][quote comment="312727"]What is TD? Traveler’s diarrhea?[/quote]
    ___________________________________________
    I thought we were using that for time displacement[/quote]

    Temporal displacement

  164. Tasha says:

    [quote comment="312732"][quote comment="312730"][quote comment="312727"]What is TD? Traveler’s diarrhea?[/quote]
    ___________________________________________
    I thought we were using that for time displacement[/quote]

    I’m so glad someone else asked that. I was starting to feel really lost. :)

    Technical blog question now: Is it ok to discuss things that Damon and Carlton mention on their vodcast or is that off limits? I can definitely answer at least one of these questions if it’s ok, but I don’t want to piss anyone off.[/quote]

    Well that would answer it. I know he said something about Jet Lag. I must have missed the time thing somewhere but I thought it stood for something like that. So I looked it up and that’s where I found what I found. Time Displacement makes more sense. Thanks!

  165. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="312734"][quote comment="312730"][quote comment="312727"]What is TD? Traveler’s diarrhea?[/quote]
    ___________________________________________
    I thought we were using that for time displacement[/quote]

    Temporal displacement[/quote]
    _____________________________________________
    two different things entirely…

  166. The Wrz says:

    What does TD stand for?

  167. BaileyLovesLost says:

    I don’t know if Danielle could be Jin’s constant because at the time Danielle met Jin after the crash, she hadn’t met him in her past yet. So she didn’t know him. Does that make sense?
    I wonder what would happen if they did see themselves. What if Locke did go see himself at the hatch and told him to do things differently. How would that change the present/future? What if they can’t see themselves and that is how there are whispers? Maybe?

  168. Jaime says:

    [quote comment="312721"][quote comment="312662"][quote comment="312657"]BTW, Locke ‘knows’ a lot more now. He knew to stay away from the hatch so he wouldn’t see himself. He thought Sawyer may have seen himself and seemed concerned about it.[/quote]

    *************************************[quote comment="312659"]Bedtime for Bonzo.

    Episode ponder point (with help from DocH on another site):

    The name on the van is Canton Ranier which is an anagram for reincarnation.

    Is Locke really dead and going to be reincarnated on the island or faking his death?[/quote]

    *****************************************

    Could it be possible that “coffin Locke” IS dead because he saw past Locke Then the past Locke takes over?[/quote]

    _________________________________________
    Might be on to something. What happened in the Dharma video when the two duplicate rabbits were together?[/quote]
    *****************************************************
    In the Orchid Orientation Film, Edgar Halliwax holds up a rabbit with the number 15 on it. After a moment, it is shown that behind him a second rabbit with the number 15 sitting on the top shelf of the metal shelving unit. Candle and his assistants are upset by the second 15 and Candle moves away from it, saying the two cannot be close together….that’s all the info they have provided us so far. Its the WHY they can’t be close together that we need to figure out

  169. lost rocks says:

    [quote comment="312741"][quote comment="312721"][quote comment="312662"][quote comment="312657"]BTW, Locke ‘knows’ a lot more now. He knew to stay away from the hatch so he wouldn’t see himself. He thought Sawyer may have seen himself and seemed concerned about it.[/quote]

    *************************************[quote comment="312659"]Bedtime for Bonzo.

    Episode ponder point (with help from DocH on another site):

    The name on the van is Canton Ranier which is an anagram for reincarnation.

    Is Locke really dead and going to be reincarnated on the island or faking his death?[/quote]

    *****************************************

    Could it be possible that “coffin Locke” IS dead because he saw past Locke Then the past Locke takes over?[/quote]

    _________________________________________
    Might be on to something. What happened in the Dharma video when the two duplicate rabbits were together?[/quote]
    *****************************************************
    In the Orchid Orientation Film, Edgar Halliwax holds up a rabbit with the number 15 on it. After a moment, it is shown that behind him a second rabbit with the number 15 sitting on the top shelf of the metal shelving unit. Candle and his assistants are upset by the second 15 and Candle moves away from it, saying the two cannot be close together….that’s all the info they have provided us so far. Its the WHY they can’t be close together that we need to figure out[/quote]

    Good call Jamie!

  170. Hammer says:

    It is temporal displacement, not time displacement.[quote comment="312732"][quote comment="312730"][quote comment="312727"]What is TD? Traveler’s diarrhea?[/quote]
    ___________________________________________
    I thought we were using that for time displacement[/quote]

    I’m so glad someone else asked that. I was starting to feel really lost. :)
    ++++++++++
    We have established that D&C confirmations AFTER an episode are acceptable.
    Technical blog question now: Is it ok to discuss things that Damon and Carlton mention on their vodcast or is that off limits? I can definitely answer at least one of these questions if it’s ok, but I don’t want to piss anyone off.[/quote]

  171. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="312743"]Could it be possible that “coffin Locke” IS dead because he saw past Locke Then the past Locke takes over?[/quote]

    _________________________________________
    Might be on to something. What happened in the Dharma video when the two duplicate rabbits were together?[/quote]
    *****************************************************
    In the Orchid Orientation Film, Edgar Halliwax holds up a rabbit with the number 15 on it. After a moment, it is shown that behind him a second rabbit with the number 15 sitting on the top shelf of the metal shelving unit. Candle and his assistants are upset by the second 15 and Candle moves away from it, saying the two cannot be close together….that’s all the info they have provided us so far. Its the WHY they can’t be close together that we need to figure out[/quote]

    Good call Jamie![/quote]
    +++++++++++++++++
    No, that is not the reason Locke is ‘dead’. Locke goes back to the real world to recruit the O6 to come back…and ends up either killing himself or faking it. He didn’t die on the island from seeing himself.

    Having said that, he seems to know that you need to stay away from yourself when time traveling, which is consistent with the video.

  172. flgrl says:

    [quote comment="312744"]It is temporal displacement, not time displacement.[quote comment="312732"][quote comment="312730"][quote comment="312727"]What is TD? Traveler’s diarrhea?[/quote]
    ___________________________________________
    I thought we were using that for time displacement[/quote]

    I’m so glad someone else asked that. I was starting to feel really lost. :)
    ++++++++++
    We have established that D&C confirmations AFTER an episode are acceptable.
    Technical blog question now: Is it ok to discuss things that Damon and Carlton mention on their vodcast or is that off limits? I can definitely answer at least one of these questions if it’s ok, but I don’t want to piss anyone off.[/quote][/quote]

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Ok then, in regards to Rose and Bernard, D&C said they are not dead. I’ll just keep it that simple.

  173. Mia says:

    Hammer wrote:

    Miles, Char, Juliette if I am correct, haven’t encountered a constant on the island…yet. Dan has (Desmond), Sawyer has(Kate), Locke has(Richard)…now Jin has(Danielle). So they haven’t experience TD…yet.

    **************************************

    Wouldn’t Juliette have a constant too (Richard?)…

  174. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="312749"]Hammer wrote:

    Miles, Char, Juliette if I am correct, haven’t encountered a constant on the island…yet. Dan has (Desmond), Sawyer has(Kate), Locke has(Richard)…now Jin has(Danielle). So they haven’t experience TD…yet.

    **************************************

    Wouldn’t Juliette have a constant too (Richard?)…[/quote]
    ++++++++
    Yeah, he could be, but she hasn’t seen him yet….has she?

  175. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="312747"][quote comment="312744"]It is temporal displacement, not time displacement.[quote comment="312732"][quote comment="312730"][quote comment="312727"]What is TD? Traveler’s diarrhea?[/quote]
    ___________________________________________
    I thought we were using that for time displacement[/quote]

    I’m so glad someone else asked that. I was starting to feel really lost. :)
    ++++++++++
    We have established that D&C confirmations AFTER an episode are acceptable.
    Technical blog question now: Is it ok to discuss things that Damon and Carlton mention on their vodcast or is that off limits? I can definitely answer at least one of these questions if it’s ok, but I don’t want to piss anyone off.[/quote][/quote]

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Ok then, in regards to Rose and Bernard, D&C said they are not dead. I’ll just keep it that simple.[/quote]
    ++++++++
    I think most people realize that they were separated during the arrow attack and are skipping around on another part of the island’s radius….like we found out last night that Jin was doing.

  176. BaileyLovesLost says:

    [quote comment="312750"][quote comment="312749"]Hammer wrote:

    Miles, Char, Juliette if I am correct, haven’t encountered a constant on the island…yet. Dan has (Desmond), Sawyer has(Kate), Locke has(Richard)…now Jin has(Danielle). So they haven’t experience TD…yet.

    **************************************

    Wouldn’t Juliette have a constant too (Richard?)…[/quote]
    ++++++++
    Yeah, he could be, but she hasn’t seen him yet….has she?[/quote]

    No, she has not seen Richard.

  177. Jaime says:

    [quote comment="312640"][quote comment="312639"]Does anyone have any thoughts about who those folks were that were chasing down Locke and company in the canoe/boat?[/quote]

    The outrigger looked like it was constructed of very primitive materials. Except for the Ajira Airways (why did JULIET know about them, but not anyone else?!) bottle, I was thinking it was from four-toed statue time. But the bottle says not.

    : ) P[/quote]
    ***********************************************

    Seems we may have seen these outriggers before
    http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Outrigger

  178. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="312724"]Dan said he thinks they are getting TD sickness based on the amount of time they have spent on the island. I don’t think it has anything to do with constants in this case.[/quote]
    My take was that Dan was hinting to us that the TD is hitting folks faster because of the amount of time on the island…not that being on the island for a long time was the cause. I still feel constants are needed to stop TD.

  179. BaileyLovesLost says:

    [quote comment="312753"][quote comment="312640"][quote comment="312639"]Does anyone have any thoughts about who those folks were that were chasing down Locke and company in the canoe/boat?[/quote]

    The outrigger looked like it was constructed of very primitive materials. Except for the Ajira Airways (why did JULIET know about them, but not anyone else?!) bottle, I was thinking it was from four-toed statue time. But the bottle says not.

    : ) P[/quote]
    ***********************************************

    Seems we may have seen these outriggers before
    http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Outrigger%5B/quote%5D
    **********************************
    Nice catch. Don’t you think Sawyer would’ve recognized it??

  180. Zac says:

    The Ajira Airlines website links to 2 different websites. One provides you with a printable sample boarding pass, and the other provides you with origami instructions. The last step in the origami instructions says, “Carefully inflate the origami ball. Once inflated peak inside the whole.”

    Has anyone tried folding the boarding pass into the origami ball? I had to copy the boarding pass into Word in order to print it…

  181. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="312753"][quote comment="312640"][quote comment="312639"]Does anyone have any thoughts about who those folks were that were chasing down Locke and company in the canoe/boat?[/quote]

    The outrigger looked like it was constructed of very primitive materials. Except for the Ajira Airways (why did JULIET know about them, but not anyone else?!) bottle, I was thinking it was from four-toed statue time. But the bottle says not.

    : ) P[/quote]
    ***********************************************

    Seems we may have seen these outriggers before
    http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Outrigger%5B/quote%5D
    ++++++++++++
    Okay, I was mulling this over before I posted, but here it is…a little raw.

    If we assume that when they found the outriggers it was in the ‘future’, then maybe the folks in the 2nd outrigger were the O6 or Losties chasing themselves? Again, this is raw…but I am thinking from my previous theory that the O6 will be landing on the island on the ‘runway’ the Others were building using an Aljira plane…the outrigger had the Aljira water bottle. Thoughts?

  182. BaileyLovesLost says:

    Is Ajira Airlines a REAL airline??

  183. Tasker says:

    Sayid’s best moment:

    Smugness in the hospital bed. He immediately knew he was going to have to waste the guy, but just sat there relaxed. The guy turns and shoots, “Huh?” – douched by Sayid.

  184. mylee says:

    Question: Did Jack ever tell Kate that he knows Aaron is his nephew? a.k.a. does Kate know that Jack and Aaron are related? Would telling her screw his chances of being with her? Did Claire’s mother know Claire was pregnant? Is that why when Jack asked her about Aaron in the hotel room, she had no clue?

    Theory: Could Charlotte be Annie, Ben’s friend from childhood?

    Theory: Someone from Rousseau’s team kills Annie (maybe accidentally), so Ben takes Alex and calls her his daughter.

    Observation: Locke was born prematurely, but his mother lived. Ben was born prematurely, but his mother died. Aaron was born at 8 months(?). They may be “special” in this sense, but not enough consistency to show how they can really labeled as a “leader”. It will be interesting to see how Widmore was born.

    thanks!

  185. BaileyLovesLost says:

    [quote comment="312765"]Question: Did Jack ever tell Kate that he knows Aaron is his nephew? a.k.a. does Kate know that Jack and Aaron are related? Would telling her screw his chances of being with her? Did Claire’s mother know Claire was pregnant? Is that why when Jack asked her about Aaron in the hotel room, she had no clue?

    Theory: Could Charlotte be Annie, Ben’s friend from childhood?

    Theory: Someone from Rousseau’s team kills Annie (maybe accidentally), so Ben takes Alex and calls her his daughter.

    Observation: Locke was born prematurely, but his mother lived. Ben was born prematurely, but his mother died. Aaron was born at 8 months(?). They may be “special” in this sense, but not enough consistency to show how they can really labeled as a “leader”. It will be interesting to see how Widmore was born.

    thanks![/quote]
    **********************************
    Kate knows that Aaron is Jack’s nephew because she was there at the funeral when Carolle (Claire’s mom) was talking to him and said that Claire was his 1/2 sister. He even said to her that he is related to Aaron too.
    I’m guessing the man Sayid killed in the hospital room was working for Widmore. Hmm, what is the hospital going to think when they find the dead guy in Sayid’s room?

  186. Tasker says:

    [quote comment="312624"]Anyone who questions why Rousseau didn’t remember Jin only has to think back to February 1993. Do you remember everything you did then? (ANYTHING you did then?) No. Add to that the fact that, at SOME POINT, Jin is just going to disappear into thin air (flash for him, not for Rousseau). The French team is going to think they imagined him. Add to that, a traumatic few months where she is going lose ALL her team members AND give birth AND have her baby kidnapped. Yeah, not sure anyone would remember Jin. (Plus, he is being written in the MARGIN! LOL)

    : ) P[/quote]
    _______________________
    LOL

  187. Missy says:

    [quote comment="312643"][quote comment="312640"][quote comment="312639"]Does anyone have any thoughts about who those folks were that were chasing down Locke and company in the canoe/boat?[/quote]

    The outrigger looked like it was constructed of very primitive materials. Except for the Ajira Airways (why did JULIET know about them, but not anyone else?!) bottle, I was thinking it was from four-toed statue time. But the bottle says not.

    : ) P[/quote]
    +++++++++++
    It’s got Widmore written all over it.[/quote]
    ______________
    You know what I can’t shake? The feeling that Theresa Spencer’s sister’s outfit had the same color logo as the Ajira airways water bottle. Does anyone have a screenshot of her shirt? That would be a DIRECT connection to C. Whidmore!

  188. mylee says:

    [quote comment="312766"][quote comment="312765"]Question: Did Jack ever tell Kate that he knows Aaron is his nephew? a.k.a. does Kate know that Jack and Aaron are related? Would telling her screw his chances of being with her? Did Claire’s mother know Claire was pregnant? Is that why when Jack asked her about Aaron in the hotel room, she had no clue?

    Theory: Could Charlotte be Annie, Ben’s friend from childhood?

    Theory: Someone from Rousseau’s team kills Annie (maybe accidentally), so Ben takes Alex and calls her his daughter.

    Observation: Locke was born prematurely, but his mother lived. Ben was born prematurely, but his mother died. Aaron was born at 8 months(?). They may be “special” in this sense, but not enough consistency to show how they can really labeled as a “leader”. It will be interesting to see how Widmore was born.

    thanks![/quote]
    **********************************
    Kate knows that Aaron is Jack’s nephew because she was there at the funeral when Carolle (Claire’s mom) was talking to him and said that Claire was his 1/2 sister. He even said to her that he is related to Aaron too.
    I’m guessing the man Sayid killed in the hospital room was working for Widmore. Hmm, what is the hospital going to think when they find the dead guy in Sayid’s room?[/quote]
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    But Kate wasn’t in their conversation. She was on the side, swaying baby Aaron. When Jack and Carolle were done talking, Carolle passed Kate, and Kate looked at her and gave a cordial smile, showing that she wasn’t in their conversation.
    By Jack saying he was related to Aaron “too” to Kate, it could have a generalized undertone, meaning, they were all together in keeping Aaron with the O6 “family”. sorry, i guess i just want to be sure, but i guess we won’t know til we see more episodes. thanks for the clarifications though!

  189. BaileyLovesLost says:

    I just remembered how in the S4 finale, Ben said that he could help with getting Kate to go with them. Of course, Ben meant by getting her to run and think someone was going to take Aaron!

  190. BaileyLovesLost says:

    I thought that Kate gave Jack a look like she heard what was said. Hopefully it will be more clarified!

  191. Tasha says:

    [quote comment="312761"]The Ajira Airlines website links to 2 different websites. One provides you with a printable sample boarding pass, and the other provides you with origami instructions. The last step in the origami instructions says, “Carefully inflate the origami ball. Once inflated peak inside the whole.”

    Has anyone tried folding the boarding pass into the origami ball? I had to copy the boarding pass into Word in order to print it…[/quote]

    You can read all about it in lostpedia. It ended up giving another clue on what to book the flight for.

  192. Lar says:

    Wouldn’t Juliette have a constant too (Richard?)…

    ++++++++
    Yeah, he could be, but she hasn’t seen him yet….has she?

    No, she has not seen Richard.

    Didn’t Juliette see Richard when her, Locke, and Sawyer found the camp last week? She didn’t have any actual contact with him, but did at least see him from afar

  193. Miraks says:

    [quote comment="312767"][quote comment="312624"]Anyone who questions why Rousseau didn’t remember Jin only has to think back to February 1993. Do you remember everything you did then? (ANYTHING you did then?) No. Add to that the fact that, at SOME POINT, Jin is just going to disappear into thin air (flash for him, not for Rousseau). The French team is going to think they imagined him. Add to that, a traumatic few months where she is going lose ALL her team members AND give birth AND have her baby kidnapped. Yeah, not sure anyone would remember Jin. (Plus, he is being written in the MARGIN! LOL)

    : ) P[/quote]
    _______________________
    LOL[/quote]
    ___________________________

    I’ll go back to my photoshop analogy from last week.
    December 31, 2004 Rousseau is on the island while the freighter explodes and the O6 leave. Time on the island starts skipping. December 31, 2004 Rousseau has no memory of having met Jin in 1987, because it has not happened. Flash happens and photoshops Jin into Rousseau’s memories of 1987. That memory WAS NOT THERE UNTIL NOW. That is, December 30, 2004 Rousseau’s memory did not contain that memory until it was photoshoped in. She will have that memory from now on though.
    This is the same reason Desmond did not remember Dan knocking on his door, Ethan did not remember Locke, etc…
    The only one this seems NOT to apply to is Richard Alpert, because he goes and sees baby Locke. He is the exception because he does not age. Unlike Rousseau’s 1987 (let’s say) 25 year old conscience that is different from Rousseau 2004 42 year old conscience, his is always the same. In a way not aging means he is living one long day.
    Make sense?

  194. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="312774"]
    December 31, 2004 Rousseau is on the island while the freighter explodes and the O6 leave. Time on the island starts skipping. December 31, 2004 Rousseau has no memory of having met Jin in 1987, because it has not happened. Flash happens and photoshops Jin into Rousseau’s memories of 1987. That memory WAS NOT THERE UNTIL NOW. That is, December 30, 2004 Rousseau’s memory did not contain that memory until it was photoshoped in. She will have that memory from now on though.[/quote]

    Well yes, except that Rousseau is DEAD! LOL

    : ) P

  195. Jaime says:

    [quote comment="312762"][quote comment="312753"][quote comment="312640"][quote comment="312639"]Does anyone have any thoughts about who those folks were that were chasing down Locke and company in the canoe/boat?[/quote]

    The outrigger looked like it was constructed of very primitive materials. Except for the Ajira Airways (why did JULIET know about them, but not anyone else?!) bottle, I was thinking it was from four-toed statue time. But the bottle says not.

    : ) P[/quote]
    ***********************************************

    Seems we may have seen these outriggers before
    http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Outrigger%5B/quote%5D
    ++++++++++++
    Okay, I was mulling this over before I posted, but here it is…a little raw.

    If we assume that when they found the outriggers it was in the ‘future’, then maybe the folks in the 2nd outrigger were the O6 or Losties chasing themselves? Again, this is raw…but I am thinking from my previous theory that the O6 will be landing on the island on the ‘runway’ the Others were building using an Aljira plane…the outrigger had the Aljira water bottle.

    Thoughts?[/quote]
    *************************************************

    I think that is a pretty good theory. I’ve been trying to think of a way to put it down in words but i don’t have it all figured out in my head yet.

  196. Jaime says:

    [quote comment="312772"][quote comment="312761"]The Ajira Airlines website links to 2 different websites. One provides you with a printable sample boarding pass, and the other provides you with origami instructions. The last step in the origami instructions says, “Carefully inflate the origami ball. Once inflated peak inside the whole.”

    Has anyone tried folding the boarding pass into the origami ball? I had to copy the boarding pass into Word in order to print it…[/quote]

    You can read all about it in lostpedia. It ended up giving another clue on what to book the flight for.[/quote]
    ************************************************

    http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Ajira_Airways

    This is actually a great read. Granted its Lostpedia so its not considered canon. But it mentions flight 316, among other things
    Many of the cities listed are connected to the main characters of the show. (example: Santa Monica-Hurley; Ames-Kate; Tustin – Locke).

    * Seven of the cities appear to be the birthplaces or residences of those who must return to the Island (i.e., the Oceanic Six plus Ben and Locke) — Jack (Los Angeles); Ben (Portland); Sun (Seoul); Sayid (Baghdad); Locke (Tustin); Kate (Ames); Hurley (Santa Monica).
    The site news ticker says under news “South Pacific Triangle: Pilots and sailors avoid a new Pacific location trouble area”. This suggests that part of the Pacific Ocean is becoming notorious similar to a Bermuda Triangle area, and this assertion might be linked to the Island (or more specifically the consequences of its disappearance).

  197. Sawyers Constant says:

    [quote comment="312719"]Here’s my thoughts- Rousseau’s group are scientists right? Why on earth would Rousseau be traveling on a science mission, 7 months pregnant to begin with?[/quote]
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I have no idea, but THANK YOU!
    Juliethater…now I know that I am not alone.

  198. Miraks says:

    [quote comment="312775"][quote comment="312774"]
    December 31, 2004 Rousseau is on the island while the freighter explodes and the O6 leave. Time on the island starts skipping. December 31, 2004 Rousseau has no memory of having met Jin in 1987, because it has not happened. Flash happens and photoshops Jin into Rousseau’s memories of 1987. That memory WAS NOT THERE UNTIL NOW. That is, December 30, 2004 Rousseau’s memory did not contain that memory until it was photoshoped in. She will have that memory from now on though.[/quote]

    Well yes, except that Rousseau is DEAD! LOL

    : ) P[/quote]
    ______________________
    I know. I should have said IF Rousseau was present December 30, 2004.

  199. TechLost says:

    Okay, I was mulling this over before I posted, but here it is…a little raw.

    If we assume that when they found the outriggers it was in the ‘future’, then maybe the folks in the 2nd outrigger were the O6 or Losties chasing themselves? Again, this is raw…but I am thinking from my previous theory that the O6 will be landing on the island on the ‘runway’ the Others were building using an Aljira plane…the outrigger had the Aljira water bottle. Thoughts?
    ____________________________________________

    I like this because as far we know that runway was on the second island where the hydra was located and where sawyer jack and kate were held prisoner. they would have had to take some sort of boat to get to the main island and we know the outrigger has been used before by kate sawyer and karl. makes a lot of sense.

  200. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="312719"]Here’s my thoughts- Rousseau’s group are scientists right? Why on earth would Rousseau be traveling on a science mission, 7 months pregnant to begin with?[/quote]

    This is something we have discussed before and I seem to remember accepting that she might not have known she was pregnant when they set out on their mission, or that if she did, their mission ran much longer than they expected. As I recall, she only said they were “three days out of Tahiti” when they picked up the numbers. We don’t know what happened to them in the months prior to that.

    I agree that it was foolish that she travel at 7 months, just as it was for Claire! Hey, maybe a psychic told Rousseau she had to go on that mission! LOL

    : ) P

  201. Dennis says:

    I have a feeling that when the series is said and done, we’ll see the losties become the next Others, guided by Richard and locke… I dont think any group of others throughout the different time periods that we’ve seen have been constant, except for richard. Maybe it’s a cycle where one group lives for a few generations, picks a new leader, outcasts him, moves the island and starts all over again. maybe we’ll find locke and jack making lists when the next boat/plane crashes.

  202. RGS says:

    I definitely can’t see Jack offing Mrs. Littleton. It would be cold blooded killing, especially since she doesn’t know Aaron exists, and he’s supposed to be a good character. He’s simply being manipulated by Ben once again imo. Ben’s manipulating the whole O6.

    Random theory is that the 06 were the ones shooting at them in those boats, but they were just trying to shoot their paddles.

    Perhaps they get back there via Ajira airlines. I think either the 06 drink the beer (Hurley) or Sawyer drinks it in another time flash.

  203. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="312781"]Okay, I was mulling this over before I posted, but here it is…a little raw.

    If we assume that when they found the outriggers it was in the ‘future’, then maybe the folks in the 2nd outrigger were the O6 or Losties chasing themselves? Again, this is raw…but I am thinking from my previous theory that the O6 will be landing on the island on the ‘runway’ the Others were building using an Aljira plane…the outrigger had the Aljira water bottle. Thoughts?
    ____________________________________________

    I like this because as far we know that runway was on the second island where the hydra was located and where sawyer jack and kate were held prisoner. they would have had to take some sort of boat to get to the main island and we know the outrigger has been used before by kate sawyer and karl. makes a lot of sense.[/quote]

    * * * * * * * * *
    This makes a LOT of sense. So someone, maybe the O6 et al, fly Ajira to the Hydra, take the outrigger to the big island, trash the camp and wait around for Sawyer et al to return to the right time period. At this point, the only O815 survivors LEFT on the island are Sawyer, Rose and Bernard (and Claire sort of), right?

    : ) P

  204. TechLost says:

    i forgot to credit Hammer on that my apologies

  205. Miraks says:

    [quote comment="312784"]I definitely can’t see Jack offing Mrs. Littleton. It would be cold blooded killing, especially since she doesn’t know Aaron exists, and he’s supposed to be a good character. He’s simply being manipulated by Ben once again imo. Ben’s manipulating the whole O6.

    Random theory is that the 06 were the ones shooting at them in those boats, but they were just trying to shoot their paddles.

    Perhaps they get back there via Ajira airlines. I think either the 06 drink the beer (Hurley) or Sawyer drinks it in another time flash.[/quote]
    I can’t see killing Mrs. Littleton either. It would be very out of character for him. I think the urgency when he got back to the car was because he now knew for sure that someone was after Kate- as in, not just Mrs. Littleton. (of course, it turns out to be Ben, but Jack did not know that yet).

    As far as the 06 being the shooters, I would hope that when they eventualy do get back they only shoot at people that they can tell for sure are not the Losties. That would be pretty stupid. It also did not look like they were just trying to shoot the peddals.

    I’m pretty sure we’ll see Sawyer drinking those beers during another flash.

  206. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="312786"]i forgot to credit Hammer on that my apologies[/quote]
    +++++++++++
    No worries, if it comes to be….I’ll break my arm slapping myself on the back. :)

  207. wallyp says:

    Heres something that I was wondering last night… could the flashes come about when something gets too close to altering time. Like when Juliet started shooting at the boat they flashed, or when Sawyer thought about touching Kates face…

    like some sort of reverse constant some things can not cross paths in time at all… and I would guess that a person getting to close to themselves, would definately cause a nasty flash. Why else would the Dharma rabbits have caused such a scare? Maybe why Locke was concerned that Sawyer saw himself right before that flash…

    Guess: constants restore order to broken time, … reverse constants mess it up more…

  208. Jaime says:

    I just read this and really liked it….

    This also explains the sudden appearances (and disappearances) of people like Goodwin’s wife Harper. Notice how she showed up out of nowhere and disappeared just as fast. Do you think she’s squatting a lean-to on the ass-side of the island? Hell no – Harper’s skipping along just like our main island characters are right now. Imagine Claire and Kate seeing Sawyer peering at them through the jungle, then impossibly disappearing as he’s flashed away. Kate and Claire wouldn’t (and didn’t) see the flash – only Sawyer did. He’s trapped on the needle of a broken record, skipping along whenever it jumps. Take the appearance of Walt… talking to Shannon right before she’s gutshot by Ana Lucia. He was picked up by the needle a long time ago, and has been skipping ever since. But hey, didn’t we see Walt leave the island with Michael? Yeah… one of him anyway.

    And while we’re talking about Walt and Harper showing up at various points in time, let’s talk about the rain. The skipping explains the rain. It rained when Harper showed up… it rained when Walt spoke to Shannon. It rained because these people were time-skipping, and it stopped raining shortly afterward. Need more proof? It rained when Alpert came to see and test young Locke. It rained when the freighter crew arrived on the island, because they had to skip through time (31 minutes to be exact). It rained when Desmond’s boat arrived on the island, and even in this episode when the canoe jumped. And yes, it’s rained numerous other times as well… but who knows what skips and jumps might’ve happened those times that we don’t yet know about?

    This could also explain all the backward whispers, phrases, and phone calls. Sawyer jumped backward in time to witness the birth of Aaron… if he’d called out to them would he be speaking backwards like Walt was? Did Kate’s late night phone call come from someone who skipped to the future? I’d like to think all the backwards talking has semi-logical reasons behind it in the storyline of LOST. Although it was fun to play and decipher all that reverse audio in past seasons, I’d hate to think it was just a gimmick to keep the fans buzzing. And although I think the whispers are more than just echos of people stuck on the needle of the island’s record player, I think they definitely originate from those people somehow, in some way we haven’t seen yet.

  209. Lar says:

    Has anyone translated what Rousseau’s crew were saying in their scenes? Just wondering if there were any hidden clues there. My one year of high school french didn’t help.

  210. lost rocks says:

    [quote comment="312785"][quote comment="312781"]Okay, I was mulling this over before I posted, but here it is…a little raw.

    If we assume that when they found the outriggers it was in the ‘future’, then maybe the folks in the 2nd outrigger were the O6 or Losties chasing themselves? Again, this is raw…but I am thinking from my previous theory that the O6 will be landing on the island on the ‘runway’ the Others were building using an Aljira plane…the outrigger had the Aljira water bottle. Thoughts?
    ____________________________________________

    I like this because as far we know that runway was on the second island where the hydra was located and where sawyer jack and kate were held prisoner. they would have had to take some sort of boat to get to the main island and we know the outrigger has been used before by kate sawyer and karl. makes a lot of sense.[/quote]

    * * * * * * * * *
    This makes a LOT of sense. So someone, maybe the O6 et al, fly Ajira to the Hydra, take the outrigger to the big island, trash the camp and wait around for Sawyer et al to return to the right time period. At this point, the only O815 survivors LEFT on the island are Sawyer, Rose and Bernard (and Claire sort of), right?

    : ) P[/quote]
    ************************************************

    This supports the “Juliette knows much more than we think” Theory. As many of you have said, she seems eerily calm about the current situation. Her sense of urgency to find answers and get off the island has vanished. She is unphased with each new development! Regarding the Ajira water bottle, she was so nonchalant about it because she knew about the runway, and probably that the airline could access the island. It’s almost “old news” to her. I agree that she is potentially plotting her next move, but I have no idea what it is! She is not telling the rest of them for a reason, but I would tell Daniel everything if I was her!

  211. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="312800"]Heres something that I was wondering last night… could the flashes come about when something gets too close to altering time. Like when Juliet started shooting at the boat they flashed, or when Sawyer thought about touching Kates face…

    like some sort of reverse constant some things can not cross paths in time at all… and I would guess that a person getting to close to themselves, would definately cause a nasty flash. Why else would the Dharma rabbits have caused such a scare? Maybe why Locke was concerned that Sawyer saw himself right before that flash…

    Guess: constants restore order to broken time, … reverse constants mess it up more…[/quote]
    +++++++++
    That’s could be. Although, there were other instances were something WAS changed and there was no skip. Frogurt got killed. Dan did confront Des. Locke did talk to Alpert. So I would think that Sawyer could have talked to Kate. But I still think that they shouldn’t see or confront themselves….

  212. Tasha says:

    Speaking of rain Jaime.

    On last nights episode, They are in the boat paddling along and time flashes and it starts to POUR. The next seen was when Jack was leaving the hotel after seeing Claire’s mom and it was POURING there too. I don’t remember it raining when Kate and him were sitting there watching. I thought it was odd but don’t really see the connections.

  213. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="312803"][quote comment="312785"][quote comment="312781"]Okay, I was mulling this over before I posted, but here it is…a little raw.

    If we assume that when they found the outriggers it was in the ‘future’, then maybe the folks in the 2nd outrigger were the O6 or Losties chasing themselves? Again, this is raw…but I am thinking from my previous theory that the O6 will be landing on the island on the ‘runway’ the Others were building using an Aljira plane…the outrigger had the Aljira water bottle. Thoughts?
    ____________________________________________

    I like this because as far we know that runway was on the second island where the hydra was located and where sawyer jack and kate were held prisoner. they would have had to take some sort of boat to get to the main island and we know the outrigger has been used before by kate sawyer and karl. makes a lot of sense.[/quote]

    * * * * * * * * *
    This makes a LOT of sense. So someone, maybe the O6 et al, fly Ajira to the Hydra, take the outrigger to the big island, trash the camp and wait around for Sawyer et al to return to the right time period. At this point, the only O815 survivors LEFT on the island are Sawyer, Rose and Bernard (and Claire sort of), right?

    : ) P[/quote]
    ************************************************

    This supports the “Juliette knows much more than we think” Theory. As many of you have said, she seems eerily calm about the current situation. Her sense of urgency to find answers and get off the island has vanished. She is unphased with each new development! Regarding the Ajira water bottle, she was so nonchalant about it because she knew about the runway, and probably that the airline could access the island. It’s almost “old news” to her. I agree that she is potentially plotting her next move, but I have no idea what it is! She is not telling the rest of them for a reason, but I would tell Daniel everything if I was her![/quote]
    ++++++++++++
    I think she gets whispererd to like my theory that Ben gets whispered to, it’s like they are getting info just as they need it. I think Harper is a whisperer, she appeared to Juliette in visual form once already.

  214. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="312801"]I just read this and really liked it….

    This also explains the sudden appearances (and disappearances) of people like Goodwin’s wife Harper. Notice how she showed up out of nowhere and disappeared just as fast. Do you think she’s squatting a lean-to on the ass-side of the island? Hell no – Harper’s skipping along just like our main island characters are right now. Imagine Claire and Kate seeing Sawyer peering at them through the jungle, then impossibly disappearing as he’s flashed away. Kate and Claire wouldn’t (and didn’t) see the flash – only Sawyer did. He’s trapped on the needle of a broken record, skipping along whenever it jumps. Take the appearance of Walt… talking to Shannon right before she’s gutshot by Ana Lucia. He was picked up by the needle a long time ago, and has been skipping ever since. But hey, didn’t we see Walt leave the island with Michael? Yeah… one of him anyway.

    And while we’re talking about Walt and Harper showing up at various points in time, let’s talk about the rain. The skipping explains the rain. It rained when Harper showed up… it rained when Walt spoke to Shannon. It rained because these people were time-skipping, and it stopped raining shortly afterward. Need more proof? It rained when Alpert came to see and test young Locke. It rained when the freighter crew arrived on the island, because they had to skip through time (31 minutes to be exact). It rained when Desmond’s boat arrived on the island, and even in this episode when the canoe jumped. And yes, it’s rained numerous other times as well… but who knows what skips and jumps might’ve happened those times that we don’t yet know about?

    This could also explain all the backward whispers, phrases, and phone calls. Sawyer jumped backward in time to witness the birth of Aaron… if he’d called out to them would he be speaking backwards like Walt was? Did Kate’s late night phone call come from someone who skipped to the future? I’d like to think all the backwards talking has semi-logical reasons behind it in the storyline of LOST. Although it was fun to play and decipher all that reverse audio in past seasons, I’d hate to think it was just a gimmick to keep the fans buzzing. And although I think the whispers are more than just echos of people stuck on the needle of the island’s record player, I think they definitely originate from those people somehow, in some way we haven’t seen yet.[/quote]
    ++++++++++++++
    With exception of the rain…I see problems with the other points.

    I don’t think Harper was randomly skipping in time, she appeared in a calculated manner to give Juliette a message, she is a whisperer. :)

    Why would Sawyer talk backward to Kate/Claire, but everyone else he has confronted from the past hears it forward?

  215. Bobola says:

    Maybe Rosseau does not remember Jin because all Asians look alike! Kidding.
    But I don’t remember Jin and Rosseau really having any interaction before anyway…maybe I’m wrong there—it’s a bloody long series.

    BUT what does bother me;
    why the hell is Jin time traveling at all?
    Since the Chopper was out side the zone why is Jin inside it? Does not make any sense at all.
    And how long is this movement going to go on?
    Nose Bleeds all around! zzzzzzzzz
    It’s gonna get stale real fast…
    Still, this was a great episode.

    Is Sun really going to shoot Ben? ME thinks not…no way. Unless Ben has other projects to go off to (the actor). But that would be a pity. He’s sooooo perfect.
    And when do we get to learn what caused the rift between Ben and Sayid?

    I guess Hurley hasn’t gotten ass fucked yet in Jail—or maybe he has and he’s digging it. He sure seems to have no libido at all. Realistically a big Lottery winner like him would be splurging on mamasitas in thongs making house calls while he scarfs down burritos.
    He’s still smiling in his Orange jumpsuit…not very realistic; those cons would be all over the famous Lottery winner like salsa on a taco. The writers sure have cleaned up reality for TV. You know I’m right.

    I WAS among the few who called it long ago;
    That Jin survived! I just KNEW it.
    (Thanks, hold the applause)

    Who the hell was in the second Dugout chasing the Losties? Where did Blondie get her rifle training; looks like she was confident with the gun when she returned fire. Looked almost like she and Sawyer were going to kiss there on the beach! LOST is sure in need of a more tragic romance as of late….I mean besides Hurley and his buds in jail.

    Miles is the best smart ass! But I predict he’s going to piss off Sawyer with one of his remarks before too long. I forgot …does Sawyer have a pet name for Miles?
    Charlotte gets my vote as he most boring character…and clueless too as to Daniel’s feelings. Cold.

    Looks like Sawyer’s not limping?
    So much for the toe theory.I was like Toe-tally buying into the link with the statue. Sawyer gets stuck back it time with some Natives who end up worshiping the Blonde God Sawyer.

  216. Miraks says:

    I wouldn’t count Juliette as a bad guy just yet. While it does seem that she has become eerily calm lately, I see it more as her resigning to her fate. She has been trying to get off the island for YEARS, not just weeks like our Losties. Every time she thinks she is getting close, something goes wrong: Ben won’t let her go, the sub gets blown up, the helicopter people turn out to be bad guys, the freighter blows up. The way she was just sitting there drinking and looking at the smoke from the freighter when Sawyer swam up made it look like she was giving up and resigning herself to the idea that there was no way home for her. Can’t say I blame her- after that long and that many thwarted ways home, I’d react the same way.

  217. Hoof_Hearted says:

    Was there an explanation made by anyone in regards to why the outrigger travelled with them when they flashed while being shot at?

    I assume it is the same reason why Sawyer is/was able to keep the gun he took off those 2 guys (one was Widmore) in the previous episode.

    It doesn’t make sense to me that whatever they happen to be in contact with travels with them?

  218. Lar says:

    Bobola – In response to “does Sawyer have a pet name for Miles?” yes, and it’s his best nickname ever…Donger

  219. Skweez says:

    [quote comment="312804"][quote comment="312800"]Heres something that I was wondering last night… could the flashes come about when something gets too close to altering time. Like when Juliet started shooting at the boat they flashed, or when Sawyer thought about touching Kates face…

    like some sort of reverse constant some things can not cross paths in time at all… and I would guess that a person getting to close to themselves, would definately cause a nasty flash. Why else would the Dharma rabbits have caused such a scare? Maybe why Locke was concerned that Sawyer saw himself right before that flash…

    Guess: constants restore order to broken time, … reverse constants mess it up more…
    +++++++++
    That’s could be. Although, there were other instances were something WAS changed and there was no skip. Frogurt got killed. Dan did confront Des. Locke did talk to Alpert. So I would think that Sawyer could have talked to Kate. But I still think that they shouldn’t see or confront themselves….[/quote]
    [/quote]

    I like this theory. Even though some things were changed before the flash, they weren’t completed. Dan confronted Des but did not get a chance to tell him his mother’s name. Locke did talk to Alpert but he did not find out how to get off the island.

  220. Tasha says:

    [quote comment="312813"]Was there an explanation made by anyone in regards to why the outrigger travelled with them when they flashed while being shot at?

    I assume it is the same reason why Sawyer is/was able to keep the gun he took off those 2 guys (one was Widmore) in the previous episode.

    It doesn’t make sense to me that whatever they happen to be in contact with travels with them?[/quote]

    ******************

    Yeah when I saw the flash I was thinking OH NO! There goes the boat! I thought for sure they would be swimming to shore!

  221. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="312818"][quote comment="312813"]Was there an explanation made by anyone in regards to why the outrigger travelled with them when they flashed while being shot at?

    I assume it is the same reason why Sawyer is/was able to keep the gun he took off those 2 guys (one was Widmore) in the previous episode.

    It doesn’t make sense to me that whatever they happen to be in contact with travels with them?[/quote]

    ******************

    Yeah when I saw the flash I was thinking OH NO! There goes the boat! I thought for sure they would be swimming to shore![/quote]
    ++++++++++++
    I hope we don’t start debating this again. :)

  222. Skweez says:

    [quote comment="312811"]I wouldn’t count Juliette as a bad guy just yet. While it does seem that she has become eerily calm lately, I see it more as her resigning to her fate. She has been trying to get off the island for YEARS, not just weeks like our Losties. Every time she thinks she is getting close, something goes wrong: Ben won’t let her go, the sub gets blown up, the helicopter people turn out to be bad guys, the freighter blows up. The way she was just sitting there drinking and looking at the smoke from the freighter when Sawyer swam up made it look like she was giving up and resigning herself to the idea that there was no way home for her. Can’t say I blame her- after that long and that many thwarted ways home, I’d react the same way.[/quote]

    Could it be possible that Juliette had her own Christian/Jacob encounter and knows what’s going on and that’s why she was on the beach all nonchalant?

  223. duke says:

    [quote comment="312728"][quote comment="312657"]BTW, Locke ‘knows’ a lot more now. He knew to stay away from the hatch so he wouldn’t see himself. He thought Sawyer may have seen himself and seemed concerned about it.[/quote]

    ******************************’

    Why can’t you see yourself? Could that serve as a constant?[/quote]
    He was only concerned because he realized when they were. It brought back the memories of him feeling responsible for Boone’s death which occurred when Claire gave birth.

  224. Bobola says:

    [quote comment="312813"]Was there an explanation made by anyone in regards to why the outrigger travelled with them when they flashed while being shot at?

    I assume it is the same reason why Sawyer is/was able to keep the gun he took off those 2 guys (one was Widmore) in the previous episode.

    It doesn’t make sense to me that whatever they happen to be in contact with travels with them?[/quote]


    I agree; it does not make sense at all.
    What if Sawyer had rushed over and layed hands on Freckles just before the time shift?

  225. Tasha says:

    [quote comment="312819"][quote comment="312818"][quote comment="312813"]Was there an explanation made by anyone in regards to why the outrigger travelled with them when they flashed while being shot at?

    I assume it is the same reason why Sawyer is/was able to keep the gun he took off those 2 guys (one was Widmore) in the previous episode.

    It doesn’t make sense to me that whatever they happen to be in contact with travels with them?[/quote]

    ******************

    Yeah when I saw the flash I was thinking OH NO! There goes the boat! I thought for sure they would be swimming to shore![/quote]
    ++++++++++++
    I hope we don’t start debating this again. :)[/quote]

    Uh oh. Am I missing something again? I was just commenting back what I was thinking. Was there a debate? I would like to read about it. I must have looked over it. Thanks:)

    I DID miss last weeks discussion. After trying to catch up I never really did get to into it. I was reading thru it too fast. So let me know if it was from last week cause I am guessing it’s about why they travel with things they touch.

  226. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="312814"]In response to “does Sawyer have a pet name for Miles?” yes, and it’s his best nickname ever…Donger[/quote]

    Also Ghengis and Bruce Lee from the freighter.

    : ) P

  227. BaileyLovesLost says:

    ++++++++++++++
    With exception of the rain…I see problems with the other points.

    I don’t think Harper was randomly skipping in time, she appeared in a calculated manner to give Juliette a message, she is a whisperer. :)

    Why would Sawyer talk backward to Kate/Claire, but everyone else he has confronted from the past hears it forward?[/quote]
    *********************************
    Maybe they can’t speak to people they knew in a time that they already were. Does that make sense? For example, Locke can talk to Alpert when the Nigerian plane crashed and at the camp back in the 50’s because Locke wasn’t actually there in real time, only when he time travelled. Sawyer can’t talk to Kate when he sees her and Claire in the jungle because that might mess something up because he was actually there. Maybe the backward whispers we’ve heard (like with Shannon seeing Walt in the jungle) are from people time traveling during a time that they are.

  228. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="312823"]
    Uh oh. Am I missing something again? I was just commenting back what I was thinking. Was there a debate? I would like to read about it. I must have looked over it. Thanks:)

    I DID miss last weeks discussion. After trying to catch up I never really did get to into it. I was reading thru it too fast. So let me know if it was from last week cause I am guessing it’s about why they travel with things they touch.[/quote]
    ++++++++++++
    Check out the season premiere thread…somewhere around post 220 is where it starts….and goes on until well after the horse is dead. :)

  229. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="312825"]++++++++++++++
    With exception of the rain…I see problems with the other points.

    I don’t think Harper was randomly skipping in time, she appeared in a calculated manner to give Juliette a message, she is a whisperer. :)

    Why would Sawyer talk backward to Kate/Claire, but everyone else he has confronted from the past hears it forward?[/quote]
    *********************************
    Maybe they can’t speak to people they knew in a time that they already were. Does that make sense? For example, Locke can talk to Alpert when the Nigerian plane crashed and at the camp back in the 50’s because Locke wasn’t actually there in real time, only when he time travelled. Sawyer can’t talk to Kate when he sees her and Claire in the jungle because that might mess something up because he was actually there. Maybe the backward whispers we’ve heard (like with Shannon seeing Walt in the jungle) are from people time traveling during a time that they are.[/quote]
    +++++++++++
    Okay, gotcha. That seems plausible.

  230. duke says:

    [quote comment="312774"][quote comment="312767"][quote comment="312624"]Anyone who questions why Rousseau didn’t remember Jin only has to think back to February 1993. Do you remember everything you did then? (ANYTHING you did then?) No. Add to that the fact that, at SOME POINT, Jin is just going to disappear into thin air (flash for him, not for Rousseau). The French team is going to think they imagined him. Add to that, a traumatic few months where she is going lose ALL her team members AND give birth AND have her baby kidnapped. Yeah, not sure anyone would remember Jin. (Plus, he is being written in the MARGIN! LOL)

    : ) P[/quote]
    _______________________
    LOL[/quote]
    ___________________________

    I’ll go back to my photoshop analogy from last week.
    December 31, 2004 Rousseau is on the island while the freighter explodes and the O6 leave. Time on the island starts skipping. December 31, 2004 Rousseau has no memory of having met Jin in 1987, because it has not happened. Flash happens and photoshops Jin into Rousseau’s memories of 1987. That memory WAS NOT THERE UNTIL NOW. That is, December 30, 2004 Rousseau’s memory did not contain that memory until it was photoshoped in. She will have that memory from now on though.
    This is the same reason Desmond did not remember Dan knocking on his door, Ethan did not remember Locke, etc…
    The only one this seems NOT to apply to is Richard Alpert, because he goes and sees baby Locke. He is the exception because he does not age. Unlike Rousseau’s 1987 (let’s say) 25 year old conscience that is different from Rousseau 2004 42 year old conscience, his is always the same. In a way not aging means he is living one long day.
    Make sense?[/quote]
    The french chick was shot and suppossedly killed when the mercanaries took out Karl.

  231. duke says:

    [quote comment="312785"][quote comment="312781"]Okay, I was mulling this over before I posted, but here it is…a little raw.

    If we assume that when they found the outriggers it was in the ‘future’, then maybe the folks in the 2nd outrigger were the O6 or Losties chasing themselves? Again, this is raw…but I am thinking from my previous theory that the O6 will be landing on the island on the ‘runway’ the Others were building using an Aljira plane…the outrigger had the Aljira water bottle. Thoughts?
    ____________________________________________

    I like this because as far we know that runway was on the second island where the hydra was located and where sawyer jack and kate were held prisoner. they would have had to take some sort of boat to get to the main island and we know the outrigger has been used before by kate sawyer and karl. makes a lot of sense.[/quote]

    * * * * * * * * *
    This makes a LOT of sense. So someone, maybe the O6 et al, fly Ajira to the Hydra, take the outrigger to the big island, trash the camp and wait around for Sawyer et al to return to the right time period. At this point, the only O815 survivors LEFT on the island are Sawyer, Rose and Bernard (and Claire sort of), right?

    : ) P[/quote]
    Yeah but there were two outriggers. why would the O6 need two of them to get the the main island. There would only have been 7 of them if you include Ben plus a baby making rowing two outriggers for that distance be quite a task. Plus they were gaining on Sawyer et al last night. Use your BRAINS!!!!!!!!!!!

  232. Skweez says:

    What is the deal with Sun, who is she in cohoots with, and where in the heck is Ji Yeon? Why did she show Kate that baby pic? Is she dead?

  233. duke says:

    [quote comment="312800"]Heres something that I was wondering last night… could the flashes come about when something gets too close to altering time. Like when Juliet started shooting at the boat they flashed, or when Sawyer thought about touching Kates face…

    like some sort of reverse constant some things can not cross paths in time at all… and I would guess that a person getting to close to themselves, would definately cause a nasty flash. Why else would the Dharma rabbits have caused such a scare? Maybe why Locke was concerned that Sawyer saw himself right before that flash…

    Guess: constants restore order to broken time, … reverse constants mess it up more…[/quote]
    Locke did not seem concerned that Sawyer saw himself. He just knew what night they had jumped to and wanted to know what he saw. He said nothing about him seeing himself. Plus he did not say that it would be bad to see yourself. Locke is the man of faith and feels that he would not be were is suppossed to be without the earlier struggles in previous seasons.

  234. Jaime says:

    [quote comment="312809"][quote comment="312801"]I just read this and really liked it….

    T
    This could also explain all the backward whispers, phrases, and phone calls. Sawyer jumped backward in time to witness the birth of Aaron… if he’d called out to them would he be speaking backwards like Walt was? I’d like to think all the backwards talking has semi-logical reasons behind it in the storyline of LOST. I think they definitely originate from those people somehow, in some way we haven’t seen yet.[/quote]
    ++++++++++++++

    Why would Sawyer talk backward to Kate/Claire, but everyone else he has confronted from the past hears it forward?[/quote]*
    ******************************************************
    Could it be possible that the whispers are those of the time travelers in Season 5. When the people from S1-4 walk past an area that they had been just before they made a jump, they hear it as the backwards whispers. The locations we have seen them in as of now are clues as to the locations the S5 characters will be seen in.
    In the transcripts for the whispers for “Sayid and Shannon in the Jungle”, the whispers seem to be able to predict that Shannon is about to die, tying in with the above theory, but more than this, one party member says “Hi Sis” and “Meet me on the other side Shannon” perhaps suggesting that Boone was one of the voices, who was also dead at the time.
    With the island shifting in time, the theory of people being trapped in time comes into play, with the whispers being the actual conversations being held during each shift. That is why they overlap each other.

    Walts whispers were backward for Shannon…Not long after he was taken off the raft, a water-drenched Walt appeared before Shannon. Shannon heard him whisper incomprehensibly, which has been ascribed to reversed or backwards speech.
    Three nights later, Walt again appeared to Shannon, this time in the new tent that Sayid had just made for her. Walt was again dripping wet and spoke in reversed speech, “They’re coming and they’re close”

    Kates phone call from Live together Die Alone…The voice on the phone is inaudible. But if played in reverse, the voice is saying “The island needs you / you have to go back before it’s too late.”

    When Miles is talking to Naomi’s body in a hushed tone, he is actually talking in reverse – much like the Whispers. When the audio is reversed he is clearly saying “You’ve got to see it through”.

    These are all theory’s. I’m not sure I’m set on anything exact right now. More so playing devils advocate and looking at all possibilities.

  235. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="312831"]Yeah but there were two outriggers. why would the O6 need two of them to get the the main island. There would only have been 7 of them if you include Ben plus a baby making rowing two outriggers for that distance be quite a task. Plus they were gaining on Sawyer et al last night. Use your BRAINS!!!!!!!!!!![/quote]
    +++++++++
    I said it was raw and only a raw theory. Don’t get offensive.

  236. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="312834"][quote comment="312800"]Heres something that I was wondering last night… could the flashes come about when something gets too close to altering time. Like when Juliet started shooting at the boat they flashed, or when Sawyer thought about touching Kates face…

    like some sort of reverse constant some things can not cross paths in time at all… and I would guess that a person getting to close to themselves, would definately cause a nasty flash. Why else would the Dharma rabbits have caused such a scare? Maybe why Locke was concerned that Sawyer saw himself right before that flash…

    Guess: constants restore order to broken time, … reverse constants mess it up more…[/quote]
    Locke did not seem concerned that Sawyer saw himself. He just knew what night they had jumped to and wanted to know what he saw. He said nothing about him seeing himself. Plus he did not say that it would be bad to see yourself. Locke is the man of faith and feels that he would not be were is suppossed to be without the earlier struggles in previous seasons.[/quote]
    ++++++++++
    Nice info to have after hearing the podcast. eh?

  237. SDlost says:

    Finally got through all of the comments, took up about 2 hours of my work day! ha!

    Just a few things:

    1. Rousseau would not remember Jin just like Richard did not remember Locke last week. What were the french people saying? I think that in the future she would most definitely remember Jin because it was probably the last fresh face she ever saw before Sayid came and found her. Do we have a screen shot of their first meeting?
    2. Since this series began, Locke has always been able to predict a rain storm within seconds. Maybe this has something to do with the other rain theory?
    3. Wouldn’t Jin’s daughter, Ji Yeon, have to go back to the island too?

  238. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="312831"]
    Yeah but there were two outriggers. why would the O6 need two of them to get the the main island. There would only have been 7 of them if you include Ben plus a baby making rowing two outriggers for that distance be quite a task. Plus they were gaining on Sawyer et al last night. Use your BRAINS!!!!!!!!!!![/quote]

    Chill dude. No need for mud-slinging.

    I am not saying that the theory is accurate, but I think that you are prematurely shooting it down.

    Actually, there would have been at least eight people in the boat including LOCKE, who may or may not STILL be dead. Plus, we don’t know that Ben didn’t bring OTHER people as well… Desmond, Penny, baby Charlie, baby Ji Yeon, Jill, Gabriel and Jeffrey (the as yet-unseen people who “checked in” with Jill), Mrs. Hawking.

    : ) P

  239. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="312840"]2. Since this series began, Locke has always been able to predict a rain storm within seconds. Maybe this has something to do with the other rain theory?
    [/quote]
    Yeah, forgot about that. I wonder…

  240. BaileyLovesLost says:

    [quote comment="312841"][quote comment="312831"]
    Yeah but there were two outriggers. why would the O6 need two of them to get the the main island. There would only have been 7 of them if you include Ben plus a baby making rowing two outriggers for that distance be quite a task. Plus they were gaining on Sawyer et al last night. Use your BRAINS!!!!!!!!!!![/quote]

    Chill dude. No need for mud-slinging.

    I am not saying that the theory is accurate, but I think that you are prematurely shooting it down.

    Actually, there would have been at least eight people in the boat including LOCKE, who may or may not STILL be dead. Plus, we don’t know that Ben didn’t bring OTHER people as well… Desmond, Penny, baby Charlie, baby Ji Yeon, Jill, Gabriel and Jeffrey (the as yet-unseen people who “checked in” with Jill), Mrs. Hawking.

    : ) P[/quote]
    **********************************
    Oooo yeah! I betcha they all have to go too.

  241. Jaime says:

    [quote comment="312840"]Finally got through all of the comments, took up about 2 hours of my work day! ha!

    3. Wouldn’t Jin’s daughter, Ji Yeon, have to go back to the island too?[/quote]
    ################################################
    I don’t think she HAS to go back but i think she will end up on the island one way or another

  242. Tasha says:

    [quote comment="312823"][quote comment="312819"][quote comment="312818"][quote comment="312813"]Was there an explanation made by anyone in regards to why the outrigger travelled with them when they flashed while being shot at?

    I assume it is the same reason why Sawyer is/was able to keep the gun he took off those 2 guys (one was Widmore) in the previous episode.

    It doesn’t make sense to me that whatever they happen to be in contact with travels with them?[/quote]

    ******************

    Yeah when I saw the flash I was thinking OH NO! There goes the boat! I thought for sure they would be swimming to shore![/quote]
    ++++++++++++
    I hope we don’t start debating this again. :)[/quote]

    Uh oh. Am I missing something again? I was just commenting back what I was thinking. Was there a debate? I would like to read about it. I must have looked over it. Thanks:)

    I DID miss last weeks discussion. After trying to catch up I never really did get to into it. I was reading thru it too fast. So let me know if it was from last week cause I am guessing it’s about why they travel with things they touch.[/quote]

    Thanks! I read it. Don’t understand and I am still LOST but thanks! All good though. I am more into the finding the clues stuff like this rain theory seems interesting now…..Hmmmmmm.

  243. katesFriend says:

    I’m paraphrasing here, but I remember a theory about the reason the O6 have to go back is to correct a mass imbalance in time

    If so, then Ji Yeon’s mas would be very small b/c she was only tiny in Sun’s belly when the O6 left

  244. BaileyLovesLost says:

    [quote comment="312855"]I’m paraphrasing here, but I remember a theory about the reason the O6 have to go back is to correct a mass imbalance in time

    If so, then Ji Yeon’s mas would be very small b/c she was only tiny in Sun’s belly when the O6 left[/quote]
    ******************************
    So would Ji-Yeon go back into Sun’s belly and Sun be pregnant again, and would Aaron go back to being a baby?

  245. katesFriend says:

    [quote comment="312858"][quote comment="312855"]I’m paraphrasing here, but I remember a theory about the reason the O6 have to go back is to correct a mass imbalance in time

    If so, then Ji Yeon’s mas would be very small b/c she was only tiny in Sun’s belly when the O6 left[/quote]
    ******************************
    So would Ji-Yeon go back into Sun’s belly and Sun be pregnant again, and would Aaron go back to being a baby?[/quote]

    I don’t know about that, b/c those people have really aged in “real world time” My comment above was more about why the O6 must return — to rebalance time (I wish I could find this theory b/c I can’t explain it well!)

  246. Tasha says:

    [quote comment="312858"][quote comment="312855"]I’m paraphrasing here, but I remember a theory about the reason the O6 have to go back is to correct a mass imbalance in time

    If so, then Ji Yeon’s mas would be very small b/c she was only tiny in Sun’s belly when the O6 left[/quote]
    ******************************
    So would Ji-Yeon go back into Sun’s belly and Sun be pregnant again, and would Aaron go back to being a baby?[/quote]

    ********
    I would be worried about Sun’s baby then since pregnant women die. I also think being conceived on the island might have similar effects. In my theory life isn’t there because for some reason it’s not supposed to be. So if Ji-Yeon does go back something bad might happen to her cause she wasn’t supposed to be born there. Hope that doesn’t happen because I want to see Jin reunite with his daughter and see a happy ending!

  247. SDlost says:

    What ever happened to Frank Lupedis? Will he go back with them?

  248. SDlost says:

    I totally love that Kate is now driving a Volvo S40 – such a “safe”, mom car. It is the complete opposite of who she used to be.

  249. LINS says:

    [quote comment="312781"]Okay, I was mulling this over before I posted, but here it is…a little raw.

    If we assume that when they found the outriggers it was in the ‘future’, then maybe the folks in the 2nd outrigger were the O6 or Losties chasing themselves? Again, this is raw…but I am thinking from my previous theory that the O6 will be landing on the island on the ‘runway’ the Others were building using an Aljira plane…the outrigger had the Aljira water bottle. Thoughts?
    ____________________________________________

    I like this because as far we know that runway was on the second island where the hydra was located and where sawyer jack and kate were held prisoner. they would have had to take some sort of boat to get to the main island and we know the outrigger has been used before by kate sawyer and karl. makes a lot of sense.[/quote]

    **********************
    I agree, I think Aljira will be their “ticket” back to the island from the real world. And who’s to say that all of them had to travel back to the big island on the outrigger, Ben may have sent a few (Jack, Des, Frank, Sayid, etc.) ahead to check what time it is/contact Alpert to let them know they were there with Locke’s body, etc. The question now will be how do they all get to be on an Aljira airlines plane and how do they get back to the island (and is the runway finished?)

    I don’t think that they will revert to their 2004 ages once they land on the island though, that would be a little ridiculous IMO.

  250. SDlost says:

    French Transcript: (from lostpedia)

    ROBERT: Mais je t’ai dit, on aurait dû jamais suivre ces maudits chiffres ! (I told you so! We never should have followed those damn numbers!)

    MONTAND: Mais c’est pas ma faute, Robert. Brennan devait tenir le sonar! (It’s not my fault, Robert. Brennan was in charge of the sonar!)

    BRENNAN: Mais je le faisais, Montand! Je vous l’ai déja dit, les instruments ont mal fonctionné! (I was watching, Montand! I told you already, the instruments malfunctioned!)

    ROUSSEAU: Un homme à la mer! (Man overboard!)

    (Man) Quoi? (What?)

    Mais je pensais qu’on était tous là! (I thought we were all there!)

    On est tous là ! Il est pas des nôtres. Alors qui est-ce? (We ARE all here! He’s not one of us. So who is he?)

    (Shouting in French)

    Pagaie! Pagayez! Allez (Paddle! Paddle! Come on!)

    “Pointez la lampe de poche sur lui” (focus the light on him) “Il faut tenir la lampe torche” (We have to hold the light)

    “Brennan, aidez à pagayer” (brennan, help paddling)

    “Allez dépêchez-vous ! Nous dérivons avec le courant” (come on! hurry up! we are moving with the stream)

    “Non, y’a que lui ! Pas de bateau, rien” (no.. There’s only him! no boat! nothing!)

    “Les vagues vont nous amener jusque sur la côte” (the waves will bring us to the coast)

    “le vent arrive par ici” (the wind is coming over here)

    “Oh nom de dieu Brennan ! Ta gueule !” (for godsake brennan! shut up!)

    “allez, tirez-le dans le radeau” (come on, bring him in the raft) “Aide moi” (help me) “Il est lourd !” (he’s heavy)

    “Tiens, il respire encore” (He’s still breathing)

    NEXT SCENE

    MONTAND: Robert… Regarde, le signal vient de l’ile. (look, the signal comes from the island)

    ROBERT: Tu peux déterminer la source ? (can you find the source ?)

    AUTOMATED VOICE OVER RADIO: 15… 16…

    MONTAND: Bien sûr que oui. Regarde. (yes of course, look !)

    ROBERT: Tu crois qu’elle est habitée ? (do you think it is inhabited ? -the island-)

    MONTAND: J’sais pas. (I don’t know)

    (both speaking french)

    ROUSSEAU: Ça va ? Comment tu te sens ? (how are you ? how are you feeling ?)

    JIN: No understand.

    ROUSSEAU: (French accent) You speak English?

    JIN: (Panting) Little.

    ROUSSEAU: Are you okay?

    JIN: Yes.

    ROUSSEAU: How did you get here?

    JIN: Boat.

    Robert surement : Qui est-ce? (who is he ?)

    Montand : On s’en fout qui c’est. Qu’est ce qu’il fait ici ? (Who cares who he is. What is he doing here ?)

    ROUSSEAU: Il dit qu’il est venu en bateau. (he said he came by boat)

    ROBERT: (French accent) What boat?

    JIN: It’s gone. Sink.

    ROUSSEAU: It must’ve been caught in the same storm as ours.

    MONTAND: Who are you? How long you in the water?

    JIN: I don’t know.

    MONTAND: How do you not know how you wound up in the middle of the ocean, hein ?

    ROUSSEAU: Montand ! Laisse-le, il est en état de choc. On a de l’eau à lui donner ? (leave him alone, he is shook up, do we have water for him ?)

    Robert : Ouais. (yeah) (comes back with the water) Tiens. (Here)

    ROUSSEAU: Merci, Robert. (thank you Robert)

    JIN: (Exhales deeply) Thank you.

    ROUSSEAU: What is your name?

    JIN: Kwon Jin-su. Jin.

    ROUSSEAU: Hello, Jin. I’m Danielle. Danielle Rousseau.

  251. katesFriend says:

    [quote]Okay, I was mulling this over before I posted, but here it is…a little raw.

    If we assume that when they found the outriggers it was in the ‘future’, then maybe the folks in the 2nd outrigger were the O6 or Losties chasing themselves? Again, this is raw…but I am thinking from my previous theory that the O6 will be landing on the island on the ‘runway’ the Others were building using an Aljira plane…the outrigger had the Aljira water bottle. Thoughts?
    ____________________________________________

    I like this because as far we know that runway was on the second island where the hydra was located and where sawyer jack and kate were held prisoner. they would have had to take some sort of boat to get to the main island and we know the outrigger has been used before by kate sawyer and karl. makes a lot of sens

    **********************
    I agree, I think Aljira will be their “ticket” back to the island from the real world. And who’s to say that all of them had to travel back to the big island on the outrigger, Ben may have sent a few (Jack, Des, Frank, Sayid, etc.) ahead to check what time it is/contact Alpert to let them know they were there with Locke’s body, etc. The question now will be how do they all get to be on an Aljira airlines plane and how do they get back to the island (and is the runway finished?)

    I don’t think that they will revert to their 2004 ages once they land on the island though, that would be a little ridiculous IMO.[/quote]

    I think it may be significant that on flight 815, a dead body (Christian) became animated once the plane crashed and then appeared to be/communicate with/inhabit/??? “Jacob”.

    Now, the O6 are coming back, possibly on an Ajira flight, with a dead body (Locke). Will Locke now commune with Jacob a la Christian Shepard?

  252. SDlost says:

    [quote comment="312874"][quote]Okay, I was mulling this over before I posted, but here it is…a little raw.

    If we assume that when they found the outriggers it was in the ‘future’, then maybe the folks in the 2nd outrigger were the O6 or Losties chasing themselves? Again, this is raw…but I am thinking from my previous theory that the O6 will be landing on the island on the ‘runway’ the Others were building using an Aljira plane…the outrigger had the Aljira water bottle. Thoughts?
    ____________________________________________

    I like this because as far we know that runway was on the second island where the hydra was located and where sawyer jack and kate were held prisoner. they would have had to take some sort of boat to get to the main island and we know the outrigger has been used before by kate sawyer and karl. makes a lot of sens

    **********************
    I agree, I think Aljira will be their “ticket” back to the island from the real world. And who’s to say that all of them had to travel back to the big island on the outrigger, Ben may have sent a few (Jack, Des, Frank, Sayid, etc.) ahead to check what time it is/contact Alpert to let them know they were there with Locke’s body, etc. The question now will be how do they all get to be on an Aljira airlines plane and how do they get back to the island (and is the runway finished?)

    I don’t think that they will revert to their 2004 ages once they land on the island though, that would be a little ridiculous IMO.[/quote]

    I think it may be significant that on flight 815, a dead body (Christian) became animated once the plane crashed and then appeared to be/communicate with/inhabit/??? “Jacob”.

    Now, the O6 are coming back, possibly on an Ajira flight, with a dead body (Locke). Will Locke now commune with Jacob a la Christian Shepard?[/quote]

    _____________________________________________

    Just a theory: I don’t think that Christian Shepard is Jacob. I think that “Jacob” is just using Christian’s body as a way of showing himself. I think Jacob may just be a spirit that needs some kind of way of showing himself. Remember how Christian’s body wasn’t in the coffin when Jack found it? Maybe the same will happen with Locke’s body – which may or may not be dead.

  253. LICU says:

    Wow, a bit of a disappointment…are there new writers? All Sawyer ever does is scowl and say “son of a…” Everytime the losties are in trouble…FLASH…no more trouble. Everytime someone has a nose bleed…no one says anything…they just say “charlotte…” then make a wipe-your-nose gesture..
    And what is up with the music? I never notice the music, it usually blends in, but last night was a bit overdone..
    Mostly I am disappointed in Sawyer’s one-dimensional personality this year. Sorry for complaining but I am actually hoping that Damian and Carleton are reading this and will get the show back on track FLASH!

  254. katesFriend says:

    One question about it being 1988: ok, so Danielle lands on the island in 1988, v. pregnant.

    But, the purge happened 12 years ago, per Horace.

    So did Ben kidnap Alex before the purge? How? Wouldn’t someone notice that a random “workman” had a baby?

    But it seems Danielle makes it clear Alex was kidnapped as an infant, not a 4 yo.

    I’m not sure how this is significant, but it just bothers me…

  255. Tasha says:

    [quote comment="312883"]One question about it being 1988: ok, so Danielle lands on the island in 1988, v. pregnant.

    But, the purge happened 12 years ago, per Horace.

    So did Ben kidnap Alex before the purge? How? Wouldn’t someone notice that a random “workman” had a baby?

    But it seems Danielle makes it clear Alex was kidnapped as an infant, not a 4 yo.

    I’m not sure how this is significant, but it just bothers me…[/quote]

    Right. That was talked about a long time ago. Can’t remember what people came up with but I am pretty sure he was working with the others long before purge so he might have been living two different lives. That’s my view on it anyway. That or Danielle still doesn’t have her story right because I can name a couple of other inconsistencies with her story..

  256. LINS says:

    [quote comment="312883"]One question about it being 1988: ok, so Danielle lands on the island in 1988, v. pregnant.

    But, the purge happened 12 years ago, per Horace.

    So did Ben kidnap Alex before the purge? How? Wouldn’t someone notice that a random “workman” had a baby?

    But it seems Danielle makes it clear Alex was kidnapped as an infant, not a 4 yo.

    I’m not sure how this is significant, but it just bothers me…[/quote]

    I don’t think Ben would have kept her as a baby, I think Alpert’s group would take care of that. I think ther circumstances around Alex’s birth and kidnapping are a little fishy though and I’m hoping since we’ve met preggers Danielle now that maybe we’ll get to see how all of that happened?

  257. Jaime says:

    So i was just looking at the french team….They looked much more modern than i would expect. It is supposed to be 1988. Their hair and clothing style as well as the watches they are all wearing look quite modern

    http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Image:JinTeam.jpg

  258. TanziTwo says:

    re:It is supposed to be 1988. Their hair and clothing style as well as the watches they are all wearing look quite modern.

    But of course, they are French. Always a decade ahead in fashion.

  259. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="312889"]So i was just looking at the french team….They looked much more modern than i would expect. It is supposed to be 1988. Their hair and clothing style as well as the watches they are all wearing look quite modern

    http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Image:JinTeam.jpg%5B/quote%5D

    Nothing screams late 80’s, you are right – at least not by North American standards (no pouffy hair, no big shoulder pads, no big chunky glasses and earrings) but then again, they are on an expedition where you would usually dress more conservatively.

    I also wouldn’t say they look particularly modern – nor should clothing and watches from 20 years ago look particularly “old fashioned” either. LOL

    : ) P

  260. duke says:

    [quote comment="312839"][quote comment="312834"][quote comment="312800"]Heres something that I was wondering last night… could the flashes come about when something gets too close to altering time. Like when Juliet started shooting at the boat they flashed, or when Sawyer thought about touching Kates face…

    like some sort of reverse constant some things can not cross paths in time at all… and I would guess that a person getting to close to themselves, would definately cause a nasty flash. Why else would the Dharma rabbits have caused such a scare? Maybe why Locke was concerned that Sawyer saw himself right before that flash…

    Guess: constants restore order to broken time, … reverse constants mess it up more…[/quote]
    Locke did not seem concerned that Sawyer saw himself. He just knew what night they had jumped to and wanted to know what he saw. He said nothing about him seeing himself. Plus he did not say that it would be bad to see yourself. Locke is the man of faith and feels that he would not be were is suppossed to be without the earlier struggles in previous seasons.[/quote]
    ++++++++++
    Nice info to have after hearing the podcast. eh?[/quote]
    What do you mean nice info after hearing podcast? Wasn’t trying to be offensive just making a point that some people get too carried away

  261. duke says:

    [quote comment="312841"][quote comment="312831"]
    Yeah but there were two outriggers. why would the O6 need two of them to get the the main island. There would only have been 7 of them if you include Ben plus a baby making rowing two outriggers for that distance be quite a task. Plus they were gaining on Sawyer et al last night. Use your BRAINS!!!!!!!!!!![/quote]

    Chill dude. No need for mud-slinging.

    I am not saying that the theory is accurate, but I think that you are prematurely shooting it down.

    Actually, there would have been at least eight people in the boat including LOCKE, who may or may not STILL be dead. Plus, we don’t know that Ben didn’t bring OTHER people as well… Desmond, Penny, baby Charlie, baby Ji Yeon, Jill, Gabriel and Jeffrey (the as yet-unseen people who “checked in” with Jill), Mrs. Hawking.

    : ) P[/quote]
    you just proved my point. Thanks

  262. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="312906"]
    you just proved my point. Thanks[/quote]

    Glad to help.

    : ) P

  263. Bruno says:

    [quote comment="312802"]Has anyone translated what Rousseau’s crew were saying in their scenes? Just wondering if there were any hidden clues there. My one year of high school french didn’t help.[/quote]

    Here is my translation of what was said by the French team on the raft. It was not well recorded and many spoke at once. I do not know which actor said what. For that reason I do not think it was meant to provide us with any real clues but only provided for realism’s sake.
    Here it is as I heard it:

    “I tell you, we should never have…..”
    “….sonar….”
    “It is not my fault. I told you the instruments malfunctionned
    “Man at sea! Man at sea!” says Rousseau
    “what? I thought we were all here”
    “we ARE all here. He is not one of us”
    “then who is he?”
    “paddle, paddle!”
    “shine the light on him”
    “Reynold (or Harold) please help with the paddling” says Rousseau
    “hurry up, the current is pushing him away”
    “any more of them?”
    “no he is alone”
    “no boat, nothing”
    “waves are pushing us away from the coast”
    “for god’s sake Reynold (or Harold), please shut up”
    “he is still breathing”
    Then we see Jin’s face.
    On the beach:
    Holding a radio “the signal comes from the island”
    “can you determine the source?”
    “of course, look”
    “do you think this island is inhabited?”
    “no idea”

  264. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="312872"]French Transcript: (from lostpedia)

    ROBERT: Mais je t’ai dit, on aurait dû jamais suivre ces maudits chiffres ! (I told you so! We never should have followed those damn numbers!)[/quote]

    Thanks!

    Did it say, on LOSTpedia, where THEY got the French script and translation? I ask because some of the translations that I CAN do, are a bit different from those that you shared here, so I wonder if some of those I CAN’T do may be even FURTHER off.

    Mind you, my access to French has been limited for nearly 20 years, AND the French I spoke was French-Canadian not European French, so the few phrases that seem off might just be because of that.

    : ) P

  265. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="312876"][quote comment="312874"][quote]

    _____________________________________________

    Just a theory: I don’t think that Christian Shepard is Jacob. I think that “Jacob” is just using Christian’s body as a way of showing himself. I think Jacob may just be a spirit that needs some kind of way of showing himself. Remember how Christian’s body wasn’t in the coffin when Jack found it? Maybe the same will happen with Locke’s body – which may or may not be dead.[/quote]
    ++++++++++++++
    Just a thought to add. The name on the van holding Locke is an anagram for reincarnation.

  266. Rita says:

    [quote comment="312921"][quote comment="312872"]French Transcript: (from lostpedia)

    ROBERT: Mais je t’ai dit, on aurait dû jamais suivre ces maudits chiffres ! (I told you so! We never should have followed those damn numbers!)[/quote]

    Thanks!

    Did it say, on LOSTpedia, where THEY got the French script and translation? I ask because some of the translations that I CAN do, are a bit different from those that you shared here, so I wonder if some of those I CAN’T do may be even FURTHER off.

    Mind you, my access to French has been limited for nearly 20 years, AND the French I spoke was French-Canadian not European French, so the few phrases that seem off might just be because of that.

    : ) P[/quote]
    ________________________________________
    Hey I was happy to find that I can still read the French, and like PJ would probably have translated it just a bit differently, but the gist would have been the same. Nice to meet the famous Montand! I wonder how much longer he gets to keep his arm? Or if the Hostile/Others (Widmore) are already in force?

  267. Bruno says:

    [quote comment="312921"][quote comment="312872"]French Transcript: (from lostpedia)

    ROBERT: Mais je t’ai dit, on aurait dû jamais suivre ces maudits chiffres ! (I told you so! We never should have followed those damn numbers!)[/quote]

    Thanks!

    Did it say, on LOSTpedia, where THEY got the French script and translation? I ask because some of the translations that I CAN do, are a bit different from those that you shared here, so I wonder if some of those I CAN’T do may be even FURTHER off.

    Mind you, my access to French has been limited for nearly 20 years, AND the French I spoke was French-Canadian not European French, so the few phrases that seem off might just be because of that.

    : ) P[/quote]

    I think you nailed it. That is what is said at the beginning, that part I could not figure out. This translation is right on. Mine was a best effort. Regardless, it is not very informative and we do not, unfortunately, discover important clues.

  268. Hammer says:

    Thanks SDlost and Bruno for the translations. On the surface, so far Danielle’s original story checks out. So I am leaning even more toward the idea that she got the crazies from entering the radius on the wrong coord. and has ‘Theresa Syndrom’ on a smaller level. Ben’s folks saved her with the ‘vaccine’ took Alex. Now we just need to know if her story holds up about her relationship with the Others for 16 years.

  269. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="312928"]
    I think you nailed it. That is what is said at the beginning, that part I could not figure out. This translation is right on. Mine was a best effort. Regardless, it is not very informative and we do not, unfortunately, discover important clues.[/quote]
    +++++++++++
    Maybe not as far as island mythos,etc. But we learned that the front of her story isn’t psycho-babble. We learned for certain (I think) that Alex was not Ben’s daughter and we learned for certain that Alex was not conceived on the island. I think it was very helpful.

  270. Rita says:

    [quote comment="312929"]Thanks SDlost and Bruno for the translations. On the surface, so far Danielle’s original story checks out. So I am leaning even more toward the idea that she got the crazies from entering the radius on the wrong coord. and has ‘Theresa Syndrom’ on a smaller level. Ben’s folks saved her with the ‘vaccine’ took Alex. Now we just need to know if her story holds up about her relationship with the Others for 16 years.[/quote]
    ____________________________________
    I’ve always been curious about why she told Sayid (way back when) that she has never seen other people on the island, but she had heard them. It would be very hard to believe ANY scenario in which she lived on the island for 16 years and NEVER saw anyone!

  271. Rita says:

    [quote comment="312930"][quote comment="312928"]
    I think you nailed it. That is what is said at the beginning, that part I could not figure out. This translation is right on. Mine was a best effort. Regardless, it is not very informative and we do not, unfortunately, discover important clues.[/quote]
    +++++++++++
    Maybe not as far as island mythos,etc. But we learned that the front of her story isn’t psycho-babble. We learned for certain (I think) that Alex was not Ben’s daughter and we learned for certain that Alex was not conceived on the island. I think it was very helpful.[/quote]
    ____________________________________
    I think we also learned that Danielle’s group most likely acquired TD, rather than purge-gas, as had earlier been tossed about.

  272. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="312930"]We learned for certain (I think) that Alex was not Ben’s daughter and we learned for certain that Alex was not conceived on the island. I think it was very helpful.[/quote]

    We learned that Rousseau was pregnant when she and her team arrived on the island. This does likely mean that Alex was not conceived on the island, yes.

    Whether or not Ben is her father is yet to be determined. Ben DID get off the island with some regularity (passports, money, disguises). He COULD be Alex’s father. Not saying he IS, just leaving the door open there.

    : ) P

  273. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="312938"][quote comment="312930"]We learned for certain (I think) that Alex was not Ben’s daughter and we learned for certain that Alex was not conceived on the island. I think it was very helpful.[/quote]

    We learned that Rousseau was pregnant when she and her team arrived on the island. This does likely mean that Alex was not conceived on the island, yes.

    Whether or not Ben is her father is yet to be determined. Ben DID get off the island with some regularity (passports, money, disguises). He COULD be Alex’s father. Not saying he IS, just leaving the door open there.

    : ) P[/quote]
    Yes I agree, the door is still open. I added the (I think) part for that reason, nothing is ‘certain’ until explained by the show. I just feel that way since she arrived on the island already preggers. To totally contradict myself, I was one of the folks a couple of seasons ago that thought her story was bunk. And I still think the rest of her story is bunk. So I guess there still has to be a reason for why I think she’s closer to the Others than she says….and I guess if Ben is somehow the bio dad, that would explain it for me. :)

  274. Tasha says:

    [quote comment="312929"]Thanks SDlost and Bruno for the translations. On the surface, so far Danielle’s original story checks out. So I am leaning even more toward the idea that she got the crazies from entering the radius on the wrong coord. and has ‘Theresa Syndrom’ on a smaller level. Ben’s folks saved her with the ‘vaccine’ took Alex. Now we just need to know if her story holds up about her relationship with the Others for 16 years.[/quote]

    Do we know for sure Ben’s folks save her? I still think something is off. I still think she is somehow more connected to the others than we think…..

  275. Tasha says:

    Here is a question….why is it everyone including myself thinks Danielle is crazy? I mean YES she is a little off but when has she been crazy? If she is crazy then what does that make everyone else who is on the island?

    The more you think about it, she really doesn’t seem that crazy. Look at someone like Hurley…who now sees and talks to dead people.

    Sawyer who thinks a boar is seeking revenge on him.

    Or Locke who thinks there is a guy named Jacob who lives in a cabin that moves around and is now trying to figure out how to die and get off the island to bring back 6 people that HAVE to come back or everyone is doomed??

    LOL. Just a thought. I think I might be going nuts just watching this!

  276. Tasha says:

    One last post for now. I read on another sight and then watched it on youtube to confirm it. It could have just been a blooper. When they saw the light from the hatch while they were walking thru the woods last night, they shouldn’t have seen that. The light only lit up that way when the hatch was already open, when Kate was going down on her rope and disappeared. When Locke was banging on it,(the night Claire had her baby) it is was only a small square light coming thru a window in the hatch door, nothing big enough to cause it to be that bright. I hope that it was just to make us realize when they were in time and nothing more or then it would really be confusing:)

  277. DocH says:

    Now that we have Jin back, not with OA6 or with remaining Losties, but (maybe) time travelling alone… anyone think that when Sun & Hurley visit his gravesite – just maybe he really is inside the grave. He may get swept by the nasties in his alternate timeline and die in a manner that makes him recoverable to Sun at some point. Jin may be one of the bodies that was planted in the fake crash.

  278. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="312951"]Now that we have Jin back, not with OA6 or with remaining Losties, but (maybe) time travelling alone… anyone think that when Sun & Hurley visit his gravesite – just maybe he really is inside the grave. He may get swept by the nasties in his alternate timeline and die in a manner that makes him recoverable to Sun at some point. Jin may be one of the bodies that was planted in the fake crash.[/quote]

    Ooh yuck, I hope not! LOL If I can’t have Charlie, at least let me have JIN!

    : ) P

  279. fan says:

    When Dan asked Miles if he had been on the island before, it made me wonder if Miles was, in fact, Pierre Chang’s son. We saw Chang wake to an alarm at 8:15 a.m. and get up to feed the baby. We also heard a baby crying in the background of a video he was making about the purge that would take place sometime in the future (did we hear Dan’s voice also in the background?)…

    Thoughts?

  280. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="312957"]When Dan asked Miles if he had been on the island before, it made me wonder if Miles was, in fact, Pierre Chang’s son. We saw Chang wake to an alarm at 8:15 a.m. and get up to feed the baby. We also heard a baby crying in the background of a video he was making about the purge that would take place sometime in the future (did we hear Dan’s voice also in the background?)…

    Thoughts?[/quote]

    We’ve tossed the idea that Chang is the father of Miles. Certainly plausible. And I agree that it was Daniel’s voice in the background of that comic-con clip.

    : ) P

  281. fan says:

    [quote comment="312959"][quote comment="312957"]When Dan asked Miles if he had been on the island before, it made me wonder if Miles was, in fact, Pierre Chang’s son. We saw Chang wake to an alarm at 8:15 a.m. and get up to feed the baby. We also heard a baby crying in the background of a video he was making about the purge that would take place sometime in the future (did we hear Dan’s voice also in the background?)…

    Thoughts?[/quote]

    We’ve tossed the idea that Chang is the father of Miles. Certainly plausible. And I agree that it was Daniel’s voice in the background of that comic-con clip.

    : ) P[/quote]

    Oh…I hope it was in another thread. I read through all the posts, but could have missed it. My apologies if I did.

  282. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="312960"]Oh…I hope it was in another thread. I read through all the posts, but could have missed it. My apologies if I did.[/quote]

    No apology necessary! I think it was week one’s thread. After we saw Chang get out of bed in the opening scene, I think a lot of us thought the same as you did. There were also discussions of it being Jin or Sun. Check the thread called “Destiny Calls” it starts around comment 65.

    : ) P

  283. Hisham says:

    [quote comment="312411"][quote comment="312383"]I am so excited about this one. The Little Prince was/ is my favorite childhood book. Some points:
    -The little prince is a small blonde haired boy.
    -The narrator meets the mysterious prince after his plane crashes in the desert.
    -The prince has visited 6 planets before coming to earth.
    -The people the prince meets are a king, a vain man, a drunkard, a businessman, a lamplighter, and a geographer.
    -The prince can only return to his own planet by dying. He gets bitten by a snake in order to do so. His body disapears.[/quote]

    Ok … So are the people the prince meets? My guess is:

    King = Locke
    Vain Man = Said
    Geograper = Kate
    Drunk = Jack
    Businessman (woman) = Sun
    Lamplighter = Hurley[/quote]

    I hope you haven’t forgotten that Locke as a boy was a blonde!!

  284. Rita says:

    [quote comment="312951"]Now that we have Jin back, not with OA6 or with remaining Losties, but (maybe) time travelling alone… anyone think that when Sun & Hurley visit his gravesite – just maybe he really is inside the grave. He may get swept by the nasties in his alternate timeline and die in a manner that makes him recoverable to Sun at some point. Jin may be one of the bodies that was planted in the fake crash.[/quote]
    ___________________________________
    If I’m following you DocH, then you’re saying, for example, that Sun goes back to the island with the O6 and finds that Jin HAD BEEN alive, but now has died in say 1954 (or whenever in the past)? I suppose ANYTHING is possible, but Sun and Hurley had BABY Ji with them at the grave site, so are you suggesting that it wasn’t Ji but actually another baby, Ji’s sister, and this was further into the future than we thought? Not sure in what scenario Jin could be one of the bodies in the faux plane though. Maybe I’m just not understanding what you are saying!

  285. Melissa says:

    [quote comment="312766"][quote comment="312765"]Question: Did Jack ever tell Kate that he knows Aaron is his nephew? a.k.a. does Kate know that Jack and Aaron are related? Would telling her screw his chances of being with her? Did Claire’s mother know Claire was pregnant? Is that why when Jack asked her about Aaron in the hotel room, she had no clue?

    Theory: Could Charlotte be Annie, Ben’s friend from childhood?

    Theory: Someone from Rousseau’s team kills Annie (maybe accidentally), so Ben takes Alex and calls her his daughter.

    Observation: Locke was born prematurely, but his mother lived. Ben was born prematurely, but his mother died. Aaron was born at 8 months(?). They may be “special” in this sense, but not enough consistency to show how they can really labeled as a “leader”. It will be interesting to see how Widmore was born.

    thanks![/quote]
    **********************************
    Kate knows that Aaron is Jack’s nephew because she was there at the funeral when Carolle (Claire’s mom) was talking to him and said that Claire was his 1/2 sister. He even said to her that he is related to Aaron too.

    My husband and I had this conversation many times after the funeral episode – Kate didn’t hear the conversation (she was well away from where they were talking). She gets all weepy when Jack says Aaron is his family b/c it could refer to the time when the three of them were living together, and that’s how she interprets it. She has no clue Jack and Aaron are related.

    And no, Claire’s mother didn’t know she was preganant – she was in a coma when Claire got pregnant and left Australia.

  286. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="313021"]I suppose ANYTHING is possible, but Sun and Hurley had BABY Ji with them at the grave site, so are you suggesting that it wasn’t Ji but actually another baby, Ji’s sister, and this was further into the future than we thought? [/quote]

    On the bonus features on the Season 4 DVD were the flashforwards in chronological order. Sun and Hurley visiting Jin’s grave happened BEFORE Ben arrived in Tunisia – so sometime between the “rescue” and October 24, 2005. That doesn’t rule out Jin’s dying in a different timeline (though I don’t think he did) but it DOES rule out the baby being anyone other than Ji Yeon.

    : ) P

  287. Rita says:

    [quote comment="313027"][quote comment="313021"]I suppose ANYTHING is possible, but Sun and Hurley had BABY Ji with them at the grave site, so are you suggesting that it wasn’t Ji but actually another baby, Ji’s sister, and this was further into the future than we thought? [/quote]

    On the bonus features on the Season 4 DVD were the flashforwards in chronological order. Sun and Hurley visiting Jin’s grave happened BEFORE Ben arrived in Tunisia – so sometime between the “rescue” and October 24, 2005. That doesn’t rule out Jin’s dying in a different timeline (though I don’t think he did) but it DOES rule out the baby being anyone other than Ji Yeon.

    : ) P[/quote]
    ___________________________________
    Yes, this was what I thought also, was just trying to get my head around what DocH was saying – guess I didn’t quite make it :(

  288. Toeknee says:

    A few thoughts on some of the issues being discussed:

    1. Rousseau and Jin – a few people here have stated this, but others seem to disagree with them, but I don’t think in 2004 Rousseau would recognize Jin, or remember his name. We have the benefit of having seen Jin on a very regular basis for the last 4 ½ years, so to us we instantly remember him. But Rousseau only saw him for a few hours or a few days at most, 16 years earlier. While I’m sure that in 2004 she has some recollection of an Asian man she came in contact with the day she arrived on the island, I think it’s completely plausible that she wouldn’t remember what he looked like or what his name was. She was more concerned with things like, surviving, finding Alex, and mourning the fate of the rest of her team.

    2. Juliet’s “calmness” – I think the people who are referring to Juliet as eerily calm, and accusing her of being kind of suspicious are reading too much into her portrayal so far this season. She hasn’t been a primary focus so far, she’s been more of a supporting character to those characters who have been more central to the plot (namely, Daniel, Charlotte, and Locke). So she hasn’t been given a lot to work with, and I don’t have a problem with her calmness or indifference as some people see it.

    3. Constants – no offense to anyone, but it really drives me crazy to read people guessing whom each character’s constant is. The only episode where constants have been explicitly mentioned was “The Constant”, and in that episode the explanation was that people whose consciousness is time travelling (i.e., Desmond, Minkwitz, Eloise the rat)needed a constant. This season, with all the physical time-travelling (not consciousness time travelling), Daniel has not once suggested to any character that they find a constant. So I believe the concept of constants has nothing to do with the time travelling we’re seeing this season, and that it’s a waste of people’s time to try to figure out whom each character’s constant is.

  289. Lostfan says:

    Going back to Danielle’s story: I don’t think she was a crazy 40+-year old…just socially isolated. If you recall, in her original story, one of those men on the boat was her husband, and in theory, the father of the baby. If she had a relationship with Ben in another life (or time), she would have gone right after him after he took the baby. She would not have spent 16 years calling in vain for help, and rigging up a “panic room.” Most of what she learned from the Others, she learned from the Losties. Also, she would not have remembered meeting Jin because it hadn’t happened yet. If Danielle were currently still alive on the island, the memory would have hit her at that point in the present (think of Des remembering Dan’s request at the hatch – but not before it actually happened). Confusing and maddening – but a way for D & C to explain why people don’t remember meeting people in the past.

  290. Runamuck says:

    something I had noticed. we see an army base there of some sort and US military guys so they have Military gear right? sawyer is toting an M1 Garand about (which in one scene in this episode when walking through the jungle the action is open and the gun is empty) why then in our time do trhe others have German weapons? Mp40’s Lugers etc?

  291. duke says:

    [quote comment="312949"]One last post for now. I read on another sight and then watched it on youtube to confirm it. It could have just been a blooper. When they saw the light from the hatch while they were walking thru the woods last night, they shouldn’t have seen that. The light only lit up that way when the hatch was already open, when Kate was going down on her rope and disappeared. When Locke was banging on it,(the night Claire had her baby) it is was only a small square light coming thru a window in the hatch door, nothing big enough to cause it to be that bright. I hope that it was just to make us realize when they were in time and nothing more or then it would really be confusing:)[/quote]
    The hatch lite up when Locke went there and banged on the glass that he couldn’t break. He was pissed because his faith had been tested and Boone was dying. Desmond heard the noises and turned the lights on which we saw from his perspective somewhere around the end of season 2. When Desmond was going to commit suicide.

  292. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="312944"]Here is a question….why is it everyone including myself thinks Danielle is crazy? I mean YES she is a little off but when has she been crazy? If she is crazy then what does that make everyone else who is on the island?
    [/quote]
    I don’t think Danielle is crazy. In season 1, or maybe 2, I believe Hurley referred to her as the crazy french chick, so that term has sort of stuck.

  293. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="312832"]What is the deal with Sun, who is she in cohoots with, and where in the heck is Ji Yeon? Why did she show Kate that baby pic? Is she dead?[/quote]
    According to what Sun said earlier this season, Ji Yeon is staying with Sun’s mother, but of course that may not be true. The other questions you ask are still unanswered.

  294. Tasha says:

    [quote comment="313039"][quote comment="312949"]One last post for now. I read on another sight and then watched it on youtube to confirm it. It could have just been a blooper. When they saw the light from the hatch while they were walking thru the woods last night, they shouldn’t have seen that. The light only lit up that way when the hatch was already open, when Kate was going down on her rope and disappeared. When Locke was banging on it,(the night Claire had her baby) it is was only a small square light coming thru a window in the hatch door, nothing big enough to cause it to be that bright. I hope that it was just to make us realize when they were in time and nothing more or then it would really be confusing:)[/quote]
    The hatch lite up when Locke went there and banged on the glass that he couldn’t break. He was pissed because his faith had been tested and Boone was dying. Desmond heard the noises and turned the lights on which we saw from his perspective somewhere around the end of season 2. When Desmond was going to commit suicide.[/quote]

    Yeah but it wouldn’t have been that bright. Go back and watch it. It doesn’t matter anyway because on the podcast they confirmed it as the night Claire had her baby.

  295. shellonius funk says:

    i think the hatch light definitely would’ve been that bright if you consider that the only other light source, aside from their torches, is the moon.

  296. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="313035"]
    3. Constants – no offense to anyone, but it really drives me crazy to read people guessing whom each character’s constant is. The only episode where constants have been explicitly mentioned was “The Constant”, and in that episode the explanation was that people whose consciousness is time travelling (i.e., Desmond, Minkwitz, Eloise the rat)needed a constant. This season, with all the physical time-travelling (not consciousness time travelling), Daniel has not once suggested to any character that they find a constant. So I believe the concept of constants has nothing to do with the time travelling we’re seeing this season, and that it’s a waste of people’s time to try to figure out whom each character’s constant is.[/quote]
    ++++++++++++++
    Ummm, the concious time traveling for Des and Minkowski was caused by entering/leaving the island’s radius improperly causing them to physcially time travel albeit small. I still think that it is very much related and am not ready to right off constants just because Dan hasn’t run it up the flag pole again.

    No offense ToeKnee, but I’ll decide for myself when I am wasting my time…since most of what we are doing here is wasting time anyway. :)

  297. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="313041"][quote comment="312944"]Here is a question….why is it everyone including myself thinks Danielle is crazy? I mean YES she is a little off but when has she been crazy? If she is crazy then what does that make everyone else who is on the island?
    [/quote]
    I don’t think Danielle is crazy. In season 1, or maybe 2, I believe Hurley referred to her as the crazy french chick, so that term has sort of stuck.[/quote]
    +++++++++++++
    My theory again, she was ‘acting’ a little crazy because she had TD and it didn’t kill her, much like Theresa. It’s clear now that we met young Danielle that she wasn’t always as ‘spacey’ as she was when the Losties met her.

  298. Rita says:

    [quote comment="313046"][quote comment="313035"]… it’s a waste of people’s time to try to figure out whom each character’s constant is.[/quote]
    ++++++++++++++
    No offense ToeKnee, but I’ll decide for myself when I am wasting my time…since most of what we are doing here is wasting time anyway. :)[/quote]
    _______________________________________
    I’m choosing to believe that our being here is not a waste of time, it’s building more neuropathways in our brains in order to ward off alzheimers…using the old noodle. :0

  299. Tasha says:

    [quote comment="313051"][quote comment="313046"][quote comment="313035"]… it’s a waste of people’s time to try to figure out whom each character’s constant is.[/quote]
    ++++++++++++++
    No offense ToeKnee, but I’ll decide for myself when I am wasting my time…since most of what we are doing here is wasting time anyway. :)[/quote]
    _______________________________________
    I’m choosing to believe that our being here is not a waste of time, it’s building more neuropathways in our brains in order to ward off alzheimers…using the old noodle. :0[/quote]

    ******
    I am choosing to believe i am not wasting time either. I feel like I know so much more about things I would have never cared about. I am being educated. I can now go on for hours like I am a lunatic talking about the Doomsday Argument, Bikini Atol, Hollow Earth theories, and as of last night….Malthusian catastrophe. I have learned new things everyday but it’s taking away from work and school. I am just so obsessed. I am all about investigating so this show works my mind and I have to admit I have a little problem with getting wrapped up in every detail. Ok. Now this was a waste of time…..

  300. Toeknee says:

    LOL sorry everyone about saying anyone was wasting time here. It’s all worthwhile!

  301. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="313051"]I’m choosing to believe that our being here is not a waste of time, it’s building more neuropathways in our brains in order to ward off alzheimers…using the old noodle. :0[/quote]

    ROFLOL

    Yes. If it weren’t for my time here, my mind would be wasting away, moment by moment. At least that is what I will keep telling myself!

    : ) P

  302. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="313046"]
    Ummm, the concious time traveling for Des and Minkowski was caused by entering/leaving the island’s radius improperly causing them to physcially time travel albeit small. I still think that it is very much related and am not ready to right off constants just because Dan hasn’t run it up the flag pole again.
    [/quote]

    Are you sure about the physical time travelling by Desmond and Minkowski? (thanks for the name correction BTW) If I remember events from “The Constand” correctly, their 2004 bodies seemed to be unconscious during the time that their consciousness went to occupy their body at a different time in their life. So their 2004 bodies always stayed in 2004 – they never physically disappeared, as is happening in season 5.

  303. The Wrz says:

    I couldn’t agree with ToeKnee more. I don’t think constants have anything to do with the current nosebleed sitiuations. We would see people passing out and jumping from time to time in their own life.

    But if you all want to keep guessing which constant is which, go right ahead.

  304. Miraks says:

    [quote comment="313057"]I couldn’t agree with ToeKnee more. I don’t think constants have anything to do with the current nosebleed sitiuations. We would see people passing out and jumping from time to time in their own life.

    But if you all want to keep guessing which constant is which, go right ahead.[/quote]
    _________________

    I’ll join the “no constant” needed side. I think Daniel needed a constant in the sense that any scientific experiment needs a control group. It wasn’t absolutely necessary for him to have Desmond as his constant, but having that control constant helped him further his theory.

  305. Miraks says:

    [quote comment="312944"]Here is a question….why is it everyone including myself thinks Danielle is crazy? I mean YES she is a little off but when has she been crazy? If she is crazy then what does that make everyone else who is on the island?

    The more you think about it, she really doesn’t seem that crazy. Look at someone like Hurley…who now sees and talks to dead people.

    Sawyer who thinks a boar is seeking revenge on him.

    Or Locke who thinks there is a guy named Jacob who lives in a cabin that moves around and is now trying to figure out how to die and get off the island to bring back 6 people that HAVE to come back or everyone is doomed??

    LOL. Just a thought. I think I might be going nuts just watching this![/quote]
    I don’t think she is crazy. Spending sixteen years on an island, loosing your husband, having your child kidnapped, and dealing with hearing voices would make anybody a little paranoid and anti-social. I think it would have been very unrealistic if she had been living in some big tree mansion ala Robinson Crusoe and inviting our Losties over for coq au vin.

  306. Rita says:

    [quote comment="313057"]I couldn’t agree with ToeKnee more. I don’t think constants have anything to do with the current nosebleed sitiuations. We would see people passing out and jumping from time to time in their own life.

    [/quote]
    ____________________________________
    I think the nosebleeds are more about the whole temporal displacement phenomenon and not specifically about the need for constants per se. However, Dan did sort of IMPLY the need for a constant when he immediately asked (after the first jump) if there was any man-made object near by. Like he said way back in The Constant, a constant COULD be a person, but didn’t have to be. He was eager to go to the Swan station because he knew they could place themselves in time by the current status of the station – and they could – it was pre-plane crash/post Desmond’s arrival. THAT was the constant for the LOSTies. Not so much for the tots and even Julia, who didn’t have the same “hatch” experience and wouldn’t have been able to place themselves in time by seeing it.

  307. Rita says:

    [quote comment="313060"][quote comment="312944"]

    [/quote]
    I don’t think she is crazy. Spending sixteen years on an island, loosing your husband, having your child kidnapped, and dealing with hearing voices would make anybody a little paranoid and anti-social. I think it would have been very unrealistic if she had been living in some big tree mansion ala Robinson Crusoe and inviting our Losties over for coq au vin.[/quote]
    _________________________________
    True that! You aren’t paranoid for thinking people are out to get you, if there really ARE people out to get you!

  308. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="313056"][quote comment="313046"]
    Ummm, the concious time traveling for Des and Minkowski was caused by entering/leaving the island’s radius improperly causing them to physcially time travel albeit small. I still think that it is very much related and am not ready to right off constants just because Dan hasn’t run it up the flag pole again.
    [/quote]

    Are you sure about the physical time travelling by Desmond and Minkowski? (thanks for the name correction BTW)

    If I remember events from “The Constand” correctly, their 2004 bodies seemed to be unconscious during the time that their consciousness went to occupy their body at a different time in their life. So their 2004 bodies always stayed in 2004 – they never physically disappeared, as is happening in season 5.[/quote]
    +++++++++++++=
    Yes….and no. Their bodies didn’t leave 2004 or even that day, but by minutes (see Dan’s rocket). When the went into/out of the island’s radius off course (not bearing 305) is when the ‘sort of’ time traveled.

    I believe.

  309. Rita says:

    [quote comment="313061"][quote comment="313057"]
    [/quote]
    … Not so much for the tots and even Julia, …[/quote]
    ________________________________
    whoops, sorry, I meant Juliette of course!

  310. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="313059"][quote comment="313057"]I couldn’t agree with ToeKnee more. I don’t think constants have anything to do with the current nosebleed sitiuations. We would see people passing out and jumping from time to time in their own life.

    But if you all want to keep guessing which constant is which, go right ahead.[/quote]
    _________________

    I’ll join the “no constant” needed side. I think Daniel needed a constant in the sense that any scientific experiment needs a control group. It wasn’t absolutely necessary for him to have Desmond as his constant, but having that control constant helped him further his theory.[/quote]
    +++++++++
    There was a note in his notebook “Desmond is my constant”. Which he found in his notes AFTER the he helped Des find his.

  311. Dukester says:

    I mentioned this on another site and didn’t get any takers, so here it is again. What are the O6 going/supposed to do when they get back to the island? Just stand there?
    Jack: “Ok, we’re here. Everything is good now, right?”
    Locke: “It’s not exactly that simple, Jack.”
    Ben: “John is right, Jack.”
    Sawyer: “You didn’t bring back any beer?”

  312. SDlost says:

    The french people said that they were following the numbers to the island. Does this mean that the numbers were being broadcast from the tower on the island and Danielle eventually records over it? The other guy from the institution with Hurley also heard the numbers being broadcast… what ever happened with that story line?

  313. Miraks says:

    [quote comment="313069"]I mentioned this on another site and didn’t get any takers, so here it is again. What are the O6 going/supposed to do when they get back to the island? Just stand there?
    Jack: “Ok, we’re here. Everything is good now, right?”
    Locke: “It’s not exactly that simple, Jack.”
    Ben: “John is right, Jack.”
    Sawyer: “You didn’t bring back any beer?”[/quote]
    Their job is to become the new Others- that is until flight 416 crashes (clue music du, du, dummmm).

  314. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="313070"]The french people said that they were following the numbers to the island. Does this mean that the numbers were being broadcast from the tower on the island and Danielle eventually records over it? The other guy from the institution with Hurley also heard the numbers being broadcast… what ever happened with that story line?[/quote]
    ++++++++++++
    I believe Danielle said that is what happened. She found the tower and changed the broadcast looking for help.

  315. Jaime says:

    BUT what does bother me;
    why the hell is Jin time traveling at all?
    Since the Chopper was out side the zone why is Jin inside it? Does not make any sense at all.
    *****************************************************
    Could it be possible that there is a time dilation between the ship and the island. The doctors body washed up on shore over 30 minutes before he was actually killed. This means Jin could have arrived within the radius of the island over 30 minutes before the freighter even blew up.
    The time dilation would give Jin a head start to get within the radius.

    Just a thought while reading through all the posts

  316. Bobola says:

    Why wasn’t Rosseau bright enough to broadcast her distress message in English as well as French?
    Typical French…they think it’s still the International language and it clearly is not anymore.
    Remeber how when the Losties first heard the message they couldn’t understand it…and had to coax that dumb blode bitch to make a translation?
    I guess Rosseau’s not that bright; gets an F in Rescue 101.
    I’d be broadcasting in every language I could.

    I think I figured out why Jin was moving in time but the Chopper folks did not; because they were in the air and not in contact with the sea…so a great deal of area around the island must have moved if Jin got included too….just not the air and birdies I guess.

    Survival Tip No. 44;
    If you steal a boat…then steal ALL the boats next to it or put a hole into the others and take all the paddles along…saves you from gettting your ass chased later….duh.
    God, do they ever need me on that island. ha!

  317. Missy says:

    [quote comment="313079"]BUT what does bother me;
    why the hell is Jin time traveling at all?
    Since the Chopper was out side the zone why is Jin inside it? Does not make any sense at all.
    *****************************************************
    Could it be possible that there is a time dilation between the ship and the island. The doctors body washed up on shore over 30 minutes before he was actually killed. This means Jin could have arrived within the radius of the island over 30 minutes before the freighter even blew up.
    The time dilation would give Jin a head start to get within the radius.

    Just a thought while reading through all the posts[/quote]

    _________
    Do you think Jin was floating in on the right bearing? Or Danielle’s group for that matter?

  318. Tasha says:

    I read somewhere some people are thinking they are shooting THEMSELVES. Not sure if I believe that. They say it was the future and what if Sawyer and some people came to the beach and saw their boat was gone and went after them shooting, not thinking it was THEM from the past.

    Did Juliette actually shoot one of them?

    Any thoughts?

  319. Jaime says:

    [quote comment="313082"]Why wasn’t Rosseau bright enough to broadcast her distress message in English as well as French?
    Typical French…they think it’s still the International language and it clearly is not anymore.
    Remeber how when the Losties first heard the message they couldn’t understand it…and had to coax that dumb blode bitch to make a translation?
    I guess Rosseau’s not that bright; gets an F in Rescue 101.
    I’d be broadcasting in every language I could.

    I think I figured out why Jin was moving in time but the Chopper folks did not; because they were in the air and not in contact with the sea…so a great deal of area around the island must have moved if Jin got included too….just not the air and birdies I guess.

    Survival Tip No. 44;
    If you steal a boat…then steal ALL the boats next to it or put a hole into the others and take all the paddles along…saves you from gettting your ass chased later….duh.
    God, do they ever need me on that island. ha![/quote]
    ****************************************
    Per all your recent posts I’d say you’d fit in perfectly….as a hostile :) just a joke

  320. Jaime says:

    [quote comment="313084"]I read somewhere some people are thinking they are shooting THEMSELVES. Not sure if I believe that. They say it was the future and what if Sawyer and some people came to the beach and saw their boat was gone and went after them shooting, not thinking it was THEM from the past.

    Did Juliette actually shoot one of them?

    Any thoughts?[/quote]
    ************************************************
    Check this out. If you scroll down to the additional 100 screencaps and look at the shooters from the other outrigger.(the one specifically where you see Juliet shooting back) You can’t make out who they are but you can count the amount of people in it. Looks like 6 or 7. The person rowing kind of resembles
    Sawyer. What do you think?
    http://www.getlostpodcastmedia.com/2009/02/05/lost-episode-5×04-the-little-prince-easter-eggs-screencaps-analysis/

  321. Jaime says:

    [quote comment="313086"][quote comment="313084"]I read somewhere some people are thinking they are shooting THEMSELVES. Not sure if I believe that. They say it was the future and what if Sawyer and some people came to the beach and saw their boat was gone and went after them shooting, not thinking it was THEM from the past.

    Did Juliette actually shoot one of them?

    Any thoughts?[/quote]
    ************************************************
    Check this out. If you scroll down to the additional 100 screencaps and look at the shooters from the other outrigger.(the one specifically where you see Juliet shooting back) You can’t make out who they are but you can count the amount of people in it. Looks like 6 or 7. The person rowing kind of resembles
    Sawyer. What do you think?
    ***************************
    here is a better link
    http://www.getlostpodcastmedia.com/category/images/screencaps-easter-eggs/

  322. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="313083"][quote comment="313079"]BUT what does bother me;
    why the hell is Jin time traveling at all?
    Since the Chopper was out side the zone why is Jin inside it? Does not make any sense at all.
    *****************************************************
    Could it be possible that there is a time dilation between the ship and the island. The doctors body washed up on shore over 30 minutes before he was actually killed. This means Jin could have arrived within the radius of the island over 30 minutes before the freighter even blew up.
    The time dilation would give Jin a head start to get within the radius.

    Just a thought while reading through all the posts[/quote]

    _________
    Do you think Jin was floating in on the right bearing? Or Danielle’s group for that matter?[/quote]
    +++++++++=
    Nope, but he now has Danielle as his constant.

  323. Jaime says:

    [quote comment="312959"][quote comment="312957"]When Dan asked Miles if he had been on the island before, it made me wonder if Miles was, in fact, Pierre Chang’s son. We saw Chang wake to an alarm at 8:15 a.m. and get up to feed the baby. We also heard a baby crying in the background of a video he was making about the purge that would take place sometime in the future (did we hear Dan’s voice also in the background?)…

    Thoughts?[/quote]

    We’ve tossed the idea that Chang is the father of Miles. Certainly plausible. And I agree that it was Daniel’s voice in the background of that comic-con clip.

    : ) P[/quote]
    *****************************************************

    What do you all think of this….
    Now we know that the island is skipping through time and that Daniel Faraday has been in the same time period as Pierre Chang, look at the 2008 comic con video.Back when this came out, there was speculation that the voice of the cameraman was Daniel. And I’m positive the speculation is correct.
    Pierre knows about the impending purge and that him and his colleagues were killed in it, this could easily be explained as Daniel and the rest of the on island crew would have told him what happens to the Dharma Initiative. He also seems pretty worried about it and for good reason. which leads me to….. Miles is Pierre Chang’s son.
    Now, after learning of the purge, Pierre panics and is desperate to save his son by any means. Somehow, he gets Miles off the island to grow up without his real parents. By this time Miles has already spent a period of time on the island, explaining his nosebleed in – The Little Price. This also explains how he doesn’t remember ever being on the island as he was too young to have any memories of it.
    Miles should have died in the purge, but he should have died nonetheless. The past cannot be changed as it has been said by Daniel and as with Charlie. Pierre prolonged his life but his course will be corrected and he will not be able to escape his fate.

  324. Tasha says:

    [quote comment="313087"][quote comment="313086"][quote comment="313084"]I read somewhere some people are thinking they are shooting THEMSELVES. Not sure if I believe that. They say it was the future and what if Sawyer and some people came to the beach and saw their boat was gone and went after them shooting, not thinking it was THEM from the past.

    Did Juliette actually shoot one of them?

    Any thoughts?[/quote]
    ************************************************
    Check this out. If you scroll down to the additional 100 screencaps and look at the shooters from the other outrigger.(the one specifically where you see Juliet shooting back) You can’t make out who they are but you can count the amount of people in it. Looks like 6 or 7. The person rowing kind of resembles
    Sawyer. What do you think?
    ***************************
    here is a better link
    http://www.getlostpodcastmedia.com/category/images/screencaps-easter-eggs/%5B/quote%5D

    ++++++++++++++++++++

    I can’t tell. I have one of those online magnifying glasses and to me it looks more like Mr. Friendly(who is dead) or Locke. He looks a little older and is stockier. Still not definite though. There IS a guy wearing a bright blue shirt with black or really dark hair…kinda looks like Jin.

  325. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="313090"]***************************************************

    What do you all think of this….
    Now we know that the island is skipping through time and that Daniel Faraday has been in the same time period as Pierre Chang, look at the 2008 comic con video.Back when this came out, there was speculation that the voice of the cameraman was Daniel. And I’m positive the speculation is correct.
    Pierre knows about the impending purge and that him and his colleagues were killed in it, this could easily be explained as Daniel and the rest of the on island crew would have told him what happens to the Dharma Initiative. He also seems pretty worried about it and for good reason. which leads me to….. Miles is Pierre Chang’s son.
    Now, after learning of the purge, Pierre panics and is desperate to save his son by any means. Somehow, he gets Miles off the island to grow up without his real parents. By this time Miles has already spent a period of time on the island, explaining his nosebleed in – The Little Price. This also explains how he doesn’t remember ever being on the island as he was too young to have any memories of it.
    Miles should have died in the purge, but he should have died nonetheless. The past cannot be changed as it has been said by Daniel and as with Charlie. Pierre prolonged his life but his course will be corrected and he will not be able to escape his fate.[/quote]
    Very plausible. I think if you are correct, then Charlotte was part of the baby removal package.

  326. Miraks says:

    The one problem I have with Miles being the baby in the last episode is that in this episode, when he was asking about the nosebleeds, and when Dan told him it had to do with the length of time one had been on the island, he pointed out that the Losties had been there a lot longer. Dan then asked him if he was sure he had not been there before. Considering Miles’s special abilities- he knew Charlotte had been there before, where the dead people were, etc.- wouldn’t he KNOW if he had been born there? Wouldn’t some dead body/ spirit have said “oh look there’s dr. chang’s kid”.
    Also, the child was refered to as “the baby”, meaning it could have been a boy or a girl.

  327. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="313095"]The one problem I have with Miles being the baby in the last episode is that in this episode, when he was asking about the nosebleeds, and when Dan told him it had to do with the length of time one had been on the island, he pointed out that the Losties had been there a lot longer. Dan then asked him if he was sure he had not been there before. Considering Miles’s special abilities- he knew Charlotte had been there before, where the dead people were, etc.- wouldn’t he KNOW if he had been born there? Wouldn’t some dead body/ spirit have said “oh look there’s dr. chang’s kid”.
    Also, the child was refered to as “the baby”, meaning it could have been a boy or a girl.[/quote]
    ++++++++++++
    But, if you think that how long you have been on the island is the reason for the nose bleeds, than Miles wasn’t only there for two weeks and could be the crying baby. So he either COULD be the baby or he COULD need a constant. IMO.

  328. shellonius funk says:

    because i’m obsessed:

    JIN JUMPED.

    he KNEW there was a bomb, and he jumped off likely during the scene where christian tells michael he can go now.
    if you look at the 1:48 point, JUST before the explosion, you can see whitecaps in the water on the starboard side.

  329. Rita says:

    [quote comment="313097"]because i’m obsessed:

    JIN JUMPED.

    he KNEW there was a bomb, and he jumped off likely during the scene where christian tells michael he can go now.
    if you look at the 1:48 point, JUST before the explosion, you can see whitecaps in the water on the starboard side.

    __________________________________
    Had to watch it a few times, but I think I see it! (always did think Jin was alive :)

  330. Rita says:

    I’ve been thinking about the Others camp. Richard Alpert said it was the army camp (and looks like it) and they took it over. Explains why they are wearing their uniforms etc. But where did they live before that? So far, we only know that they live in whatever they can take over (New Otherton, the army camp). Who are they and where do they live when there is no camp/village to live in?

  331. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="313067"][quote comment="313059"][quote comment="313057"]I couldn’t agree with ToeKnee more. I don’t think constants have anything to do with the current nosebleed sitiuations. We would see people passing out and jumping from time to time in their own life.

    But if you all want to keep guessing which constant is which, go right ahead.[/quote]
    _________________

    I’ll join the “no constant” needed side. I think Daniel needed a constant in the sense that any scientific experiment needs a control group. It wasn’t absolutely necessary for him to have Desmond as his constant, but having that control constant helped him further his theory.[/quote]
    +++++++++
    There was a note in his notebook “Desmond is my constant”. Which he found in his notes AFTER the he helped Des find his.[/quote]
    _______________________________________
    Hammer, are you saying the “Desmond is my constant” note appeared in his journal after he helped Des?

  332. Rita says:

    [quote comment="313105"][quote comment="313067"][quote comment="313059"][quote comment="313057"]
    [/quote]
    [/quote]
    [/quote]
    _______________________________________
    Hammer, are you saying the “Desmond is my constant” note appeared in his journal after he helped Des?[/quote]
    ________________________________________
    Well, I don’t know about Hammer, but I think yes, it did, AFTER he helped Des.

  333. DocH says:

    Course Correction: Individuals have been getting corrections in their ‘destiny’ since the beginning of the show. Now the island is getting its’ course corrections. Everyone on the island-hopping tour is being sent to someplace (somewhen) specific, to see or do things that will help “the island” get back on course (destiny-wise). Jin to Danielle, Dan to tell Charlotte he loves her BEFORE she dies, Sawyer to see Kate mid-wiving,, etc… The only one who screwed-up is (of course) LOCKE. He would not go see the shiny light beaming out of the Swan hatch – like the island wanted. I can see why the island wants him dead – he’s stoopid.

    The only time I have wasted here is reading about wasted time. That and ‘grand theft canoe’ pointers.

  334. Rita says:

    [quote comment="313107"]
    The only time I have wasted here is reading about wasted time. [/quote]
    Neuropathways, doc, we’re building neuropathways. No alzheimers disease for us! :)

  335. duke says:

    [quote comment="313082"]Why wasn’t Rosseau bright enough to broadcast her distress message in English as well as French?
    Typical French…they think it’s still the International language and it clearly is not anymore.
    Remeber how when the Losties first heard the message they couldn’t understand it…and had to coax that dumb blode bitch to make a translation?
    I guess Rosseau’s not that bright; gets an F in Rescue 101.
    I’d be broadcasting in every language I could.

    I think I figured out why Jin was moving in time but the Chopper folks did not; because they were in the air and not in contact with the sea…so a great deal of area around the island must have moved if Jin got included too….just not the air and birdies I guess.

    Survival Tip No. 44;
    If you steal a boat…then steal ALL the boats next to it or put a hole into the others and take all the paddles along…saves you from gettting your ass chased later….duh.
    God, do they ever need me on that island. ha![/quote]
    The freighter had moved closer to the island. Jin could have been blown into the radius by the blast. Essentially floating around inside the globe when the island moved. There were several minutes between the blast and the island moving. If you picture the radius being like a globe then everything inside the globe would also move and everything outside would not.

  336. duke says:

    [quote comment="313090"][quote comment="312959"][quote comment="312957"]When Dan asked Miles if he had been on the island before, it made me wonder if Miles was, in fact, Pierre Chang’s son. We saw Chang wake to an alarm at 8:15 a.m. and get up to feed the baby. We also heard a baby crying in the background of a video he was making about the purge that would take place sometime in the future (did we hear Dan’s voice also in the background?)…

    Thoughts?[/quote]

    We’ve tossed the idea that Chang is the father of Miles. Certainly plausible. And I agree that it was Daniel’s voice in the background of that comic-con clip.

    : ) P[/quote]
    *****************************************************

    What do you all think of this….
    Now we know that the island is skipping through time and that Daniel Faraday has been in the same time period as Pierre Chang, look at the 2008 comic con video.Back when this came out, there was speculation that the voice of the cameraman was Daniel. And I’m positive the speculation is correct.
    Pierre knows about the impending purge and that him and his colleagues were killed in it, this could easily be explained as Daniel and the rest of the on island crew would have told him what happens to the Dharma Initiative. He also seems pretty worried about it and for good reason. which leads me to….. Miles is Pierre Chang’s son.
    Now, after learning of the purge, Pierre panics and is desperate to save his son by any means. Somehow, he gets Miles off the island to grow up without his real parents. By this time Miles has already spent a period of time on the island, explaining his nosebleed in – The Little Price. This also explains how he doesn’t remember ever being on the island as he was too young to have any memories of it.
    Miles should have died in the purge, but he should have died nonetheless. The past cannot be changed as it has been said by Daniel and as with Charlie. Pierre prolonged his life but his course will be corrected and he will not be able to escape his fate.[/quote]

    Everyone dies. Maybe his destiny was to get off the island then make it back. At this point who knows.

  337. Juana Mann says:

    [quote comment="313120"][quote comment="313090"][quote comment="312959"][quote comment="312957"]

    Everyone dies.[/quote]

    Not Richard. =)

  338. duke says:

    [quote comment="313125"][quote comment="313120"][quote comment="313090"][quote comment="312959"][quote comment="312957"]

    Everyone dies.[/quote]

    Not Richard. =)[/quote]
    he may already be dead like christian but everyone can see him. WE DO NOT KNOW!!!!!!!!!

  339. Marco says:

    [quote comment="313082"]Why wasn’t Rosseau bright enough to broadcast her distress message in English as well as French?
    Typical French…they think it’s still the International language and it clearly is not anymore.
    Remeber how when the Losties first heard the message they couldn’t understand it…and had to coax that dumb blode bitch to make a translation?
    I guess Rosseau’s not that bright; gets an F in Rescue 101.
    I’d be broadcasting in every language I could.

    I think I figured out why Jin was moving in time but the Chopper folks did not; because they were in the air and not in contact with the sea…so a great deal of area around the island must have moved if Jin got included too….just not the air and birdies I guess.

    Survival Tip No. 44;
    If you steal a boat…then steal ALL the boats next to it or put a hole into the others and take all the paddles along…saves you from gettting your ass chased later….duh.
    God, do they ever need me on that island. ha![/quote]

    ***************************************************

    Boy , you’re an arrogant one aren’t you.
    Lets see, you’re much smarter than ALL french people because they are stupid and broadcast in their language. But you wouldn’t of course you’re so bright.
    Also, the losties are losers compared to you cause you would have hidden the paddles. You’re a genius!

    Except a 5 yr old would have done those things you mentioned. You’re not impressing anyone.
    Seriously your comments are daft and insulting. It’s TV! typical of you not to know the difference between TV and the real world. Believe it or not those guys dont represent nations or real people, they are actors and the writers wrote the story this way intentionally to make it interesting. Ever thought of that Einstein?

  340. Rita says:

    [quote comment="313090"][quote comment="312959"][quote comment="312957"][/quote]
    [/quote]

    Now, after learning of the purge, Pierre panics and is desperate to save his son by any means. Somehow, he gets Miles off the island to grow up without his real parents. By this time Miles has already spent a period of time on the island, explaining his nosebleed in – The Little Price. [/quote]
    _____________________________________
    OOOOOOOh, how very Super Man! So Jaime, you think Miles is the Little Prince? I’m with you on everything but this – still sticking my neck out that Locke is the Little Prince. Well, I also am not sure that Miles SHOULD have died in the purge. We don’t know if he was SUPPOSE to be off the island for it (if he was in fact Chang’s son, and I think he was)

  341. Jack Swallows Sawyer says:

    spoiler ALERT!!!!!!!!!!

    Richard is the island. Who you like them apples.

  342. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="313086"]Check this out. If you scroll down to the additional 100 screencaps and look at the shooters from the other outrigger.(the one specifically where you see Juliet shooting back) You can’t make out who they are but you can count the amount of people in it. Looks like 6 or 7. The person rowing kind of resembles Sawyer.[/quote]

    From a practical point, I don’t think that is THIS case, searching screen caps is going to help us very much. If we were meant to see who is was, I think we would have had a bigger hint.

    But the bottom line, for me, is that I seriously doubt that the actors portraying the O6 or Ben or even “themselves” would actually BE the ones in the second boat. The people on that second boat would have been stand-ins, possibly stunt doubles or extras and NOT more top tier cast members UNLESS they were shooting close-ups as well.

    Another example of this is in the scene where Sawyer is watching Kate help Claire during Aaron’s birth, the long shots, from Sawyer’s POV were of Claire’s back and Kate’s face. That was NOT Emilie de Ravin. That was a stand-in. For the shots where we see Claire up close, that was footage FROM THE ACTUAL episode, that were shot in season one (episode 20). That footage might not have been USED in that episode, but it was OLD footage. How do I know? Because D&C have confirmed that Emilie de Ravin will not be shooting any scenes this season but will be back for Season 6.

    : ) P

  343. Trixanna says:

    Regarding the smoke monster. I think it appears when someone had traveled back in time. I think it correlates with the flashes. The time travelers see the flashes while the people on the other end of the time travel hear/see the smoke monster.

    Locke stood up to the smoke monster and liked what he saw. I think he knows the connection now and that is why he was so curious as to what Sawyer saw.

    In my opinion, the smoke monster and the flashes are connected.

  344. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="313188"]Regarding the smoke monster. I think it appears when someone had traveled back in time. I think it correlates with the flashes. The time travelers see the flashes while the people on the other end of the time travel hear/see the smoke monster.

    Locke stood up to the smoke monster and liked what he saw. I think he knows the connection now and that is why he was so curious as to what Sawyer saw.

    In my opinion, the smoke monster and the flashes are connected.[/quote]

    Interesting. Okay, let me make sure I understand what you’re saying… You think Smokey shows up when people from the past or future show up? So, for example, Smokey would have been seen by Ethan when Locke was climbing up to Yemi’s plane? Or young Danielle et al would have seen Smokey when they found Jin?

    I like that they might be tied together, but I am not sure I can go there with you just yet! For example, wouldn’t that mean that Kate, Claire, Jin and Charlie should have seen Smokey when Claire was having her baby? I know that my saying that goes AGAINST the whole encyclopedia/photoshopping analogy, but hear me out. I think that *if* Smokey was what “present” folk see when past or future folk show up in a “flash” I really feel like D&C would have planned accordingly. Maybe I am giving them too much credit, but I don’t think so!

    I am going to mull that one over a while, though. It is interesting.

    : ) P

  345. Trixanna says:

    The idea came to me in the middle of the night and now that I am more awake to actually think about it, I doubt that is what is happening also. LOL! At 3:30 this morning, it seemed like a brilliant idea though. I didn’t get up to post, I waited until later but hadn’t thought it over.

  346. Rita says:

    [quote comment="313100"]I’ve been thinking about the Others camp. Richard Alpert said it was the army camp (and looks like it) and they took it over. Explains why they are wearing their uniforms etc. But where did they live before that? So far, we only know that they live in whatever they can take over (New Otherton, the army camp). Who are they and where do they live when there is no camp/village to live in?[/quote]
    _______________________________________-
    OK, nobody bit, so let me try again. :) It seems that the Others really ARE “Other” – they seem to assimilate, sort of Borg style (star trek)in reverse, into whatever group they have just overcome. When we first met them, we all THOUGHT they WERE Dharma. Then when we met them again in the time flash, we thought they were the US Army. What now? Will they assimilate into our LOSTies group? They DO have an infiltrater (Juliet). My question is, WHO ARE THEY? I’m starting to actually re-think my initial opposition to those who have claimed they are space-aliens of some kind!

  347. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="313208"][quote comment="313100"]I’ve been thinking about the Others camp. Richard Alpert said it was the army camp (and looks like it) and they took it over. Explains why they are wearing their uniforms etc. But where did they live before that? So far, we only know that they live in whatever they can take over (New Otherton, the army camp). Who are they and where do they live when there is no camp/village to live in?[/quote]
    _______________________________________-
    OK, nobody bit, so let me try again. :) It seems that the Others really ARE “Other” – they seem to assimilate, sort of Borg style (star trek)in reverse, into whatever group they have just overcome. When we first met them, we all THOUGHT they WERE Dharma. Then when we met them again in the time flash, we thought they were the US Army. What now? Will they assimilate into our LOSTies group? They DO have an infiltrater (Juliet). My question is, WHO ARE THEY? I’m starting to actually re-think my initial opposition to those who have claimed they are space-aliens of some kind![/quote]
    ++++++++++++++++
    Well, I bit, I just haven’t come up with a good response yet. :) Now that you’ve added aliens to it, I’ve got more to mull over.

  348. Rita says:

    [quote comment="313221"][quote comment="313208"][quote comment="313100"][/quote]
    [/quote]
    ++++++++++++++++
    Well, I bit, I just haven’t come up with a good response yet. :) Now that you’ve added aliens to it, I’ve got more to mull over.[/quote]
    _____________________________
    Haha! Well I’m not commited to the aliens idea yet, in fact, I REALLY HOPE this ISN’T where we are headed! Just a thought, reaching for an explanation. :) Thanks for mulling Hammer.

  349. katesFriend says:

    [quote]I’ve been thinking about the Others camp. Richard Alpert said it was the army camp (and looks like it) and they took it over. Explains why they are wearing their uniforms etc. But where did they live before that? So far, we only know that they live in whatever they can take over (New Otherton, the army camp). Who are they and where do they live when there is no camp/village to live in?
    _______________________________________-
    OK, nobody bit, so let me try again. :) It seems that the Others really ARE “Other” – they seem to assimilate, sort of Borg style (star trek)in reverse, into whatever group they have just overcome. When we first met them, we all THOUGHT they WERE Dharma. Then when we met them again in the time flash, we thought they were the US Army. What now? Will they assimilate into our LOSTies group? They DO have an infiltrater (Juliet). My question is, WHO ARE THEY? I’m starting to actually re-think my initial opposition to those who have claimed they are space-aliens of some kind![/quote]

    Remember when Ben took Locke and the others to the “old place” where he tried to get Locke to kill his dad?

    I took that to maybe be one of the original inhabitants places.

    Also, when we first met these others, we didn’t think they were Dharma, we thought they were people who had ragged clothes and lived where they had Walt when Michael came to rescue him.

    Maybe the original inhabitants really lived like that, pre-stealing US Army stuff. Alpert looked like that when he first approached Ben as a child too.

  350. intolost says:

    Love the nods to literature, sci-fi, historical figures and music throughout LOST. Love Le Petit Prince!

    Hammer—love your Star Trek borg commentary. Hmmmm….Locke like Capt. Picard getting assimilated as the leader?

    I still think Jules is alright! She’s an asset to the Losties since she has been an other.

    Okay, why are the others referred to as the native islanders? Surely they wiped out the original islanders that made the foot statue.

    Looking forward to seeing how master manipulator Ben works the ’06ers hostile toward him to not kill him and get back on island. Will they kill him?

    Yeah! Looking forward to Russeau’s story! Loved the look on Jin’s face when Rousseau told him her name!

    Doesn’t “young” Rousseau look a little too young? the “old” Rousseau was what, mid-40’s?

    Interesting how Locke knew the flash was coming up during his conversation with Alpert at the camp.

    The girl that held Faraday at gun point? I think she’s Penny’s mom. Do we know anything about Penny’s mom? I don’t remember any mention of her at all. She looked familiar to Faraday and he was funded by Widmore.

  351. Trixanna says:

    I feel like a little fish swimming in a big pond! The theories that you guys and gals come up with are amazing!

    I am so not ready to think along the lines of Aliens. My vote says it is not aliens.

    When Locke killed his Dad, didn’t he go to the place where Capt. Eyeliner is now? Or does the camp just look the same? Again… little fish, big pond. I’ll go back to my corner now.

  352. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="313258"]I feel like a little fish swimming in a big pond! The theories that you guys and gals come up with are amazing!

    I am so not ready to think along the lines of Aliens. My vote says it is not aliens.

    When Locke killed his Dad, didn’t he go to the place where Capt. Eyeliner is now? Or does the camp just look the same? Again… little fish, big pond. I’ll go back to my corner now.[/quote]
    Sawyer killed Locke’s dad inside the black rock.

  353. Iowakid says:

    I am not a poster here, bit sure do read and enjoy what I see, most of the posting I enjoy. But I am getting tired of all of the fighting and almost bitching on toward each other-we are all guessing here no one knows-so repsect each other and stop this yelling back and forth and putting people down. THey may be aliens, they may all be dead, maybe this is someones dream, who knows. Lets show some respect.

  354. Trixanna says:

    [quote comment="313270"][quote comment="313258"]I feel like a little fish swimming in a big pond! The theories that you guys and gals come up with are amazing!

    I am so not ready to think along the lines of Aliens. My vote says it is not aliens.

    When Locke killed his Dad, didn’t he go to the place where Capt. Eyeliner is now? Or does the camp just look the same? Again… little fish, big pond. I’ll go back to my corner now.[/quote]
    Sawyer killed Locke’s dad inside the black rock.[/quote]
    _________________________________________
    I meant where he took his Dad’s body. Wasn’t that some sort of camp? It looked similar to me but the timing would be way off since Capt. Eyeliner was in 1954 when we saw him in the camp the last time.

  355. duke says:

    [quote comment="313278"]I am not a poster here, bit sure do read and enjoy what I see, most of the posting I enjoy. But I am getting tired of all of the fighting and almost bitching on toward each other-we are all guessing here no one knows-so repsect each other and stop this yelling back and forth and putting people down. THey may be aliens, they may all be dead, maybe this is someones dream, who knows. Lets show some respect.[/quote]
    SHUT UP…….if you aren’t a poster here then DO NOT POST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  356. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="313324"][quote comment="313270"][quote comment="313258"]I feel like a little fish swimming in a big pond! The theories that you guys and gals come up with are amazing!

    I am so not ready to think along the lines of Aliens. My vote says it is not aliens.

    When Locke killed his Dad, didn’t he go to the place where Capt. Eyeliner is now? Or does the camp just look the same? Again… little fish, big pond. I’ll go back to my corner now.[/quote]
    Sawyer killed Locke’s dad inside the black rock.[/quote]
    _________________________________________
    I meant where he took his Dad’s body. Wasn’t that some sort of camp? It looked similar to me but the timing would be way off since Capt. Eyeliner was in 1954 when we saw him in the camp the last time.[/quote]
    +++++++++++
    Are you thinking of the ruins? They camped there and near by there:

    (From lostpedia)

    The Ruins are the remnants of old stone structures first seen in “The Brig”.

    When the Others leave the Barracks, Ben tells Locke they are going to “an old place”. The Others stop and make an encampment in the same area as the ruins on the edge of a valley field. Among various fallen stone blocks stands a large Doric column, to which Ben strapped Cooper.

  357. gmta leah says:

    [quote comment="312834"][quote comment="312800"]Heres something that I was wondering last night… could the flashes come about when something gets too close to altering time. Like when Juliet started shooting at the boat they flashed, or when Sawyer thought about touching Kates face…

    like some sort of reverse constant some things can not cross paths in time at all… and I would guess that a person getting to close to themselves, would definately cause a nasty flash. Why else would the Dharma rabbits have caused such a scare? Maybe why Locke was concerned that Sawyer saw himself right before that flash…

    Guess: constants restore order to broken time, … reverse constants mess it up more…[/quote]
    Locke did not seem concerned that Sawyer saw himself. He just knew what night they had jumped to and wanted to know what he saw. He said nothing about him seeing himself. Plus he did not say that it would be bad to see yourself. Locke is the man of faith and feels that he would not be were is suppossed to be without the earlier struggles in previous seasons.[/quote]
    ///////////////////
    i ve just watched the little prince . When did sawyer see himself? I must have missed that.

  358. Iowakid says:

    [quote comment="313328"][quote comment="313278"]I am not a poster here, bit sure do read and enjoy what I see, most of the posting I enjoy. But I am getting tired of all of the fighting and almost bitching on toward each other-we are all guessing here no one knows-so repsect each other and stop this yelling back and forth and putting people down. THey may be aliens, they may all be dead, maybe this is someones dream, who knows. Lets show some respect.[/quote]
    SHUT UP…….if you aren’t a poster here then DO NOT POST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/quote]

    I rest my case-why so snotty?

  359. gmta leah says:

    [quote comment="313278"]I am not a poster here, bit sure do read and enjoy what I see, most of the posting I enjoy. But I am getting tired of all of the fighting and almost bitching on toward each other-we are all guessing here no one knows-so repsect each other and stop this yelling back and forth and putting people down. THey may be aliens, they may all be dead, maybe this is someones dream, who knows. Lets show some respect.[/quote]
    /////////////////////////////
    what bitchin ?

  360. gmta leah says:

    SHUT UP…….if you aren’t a poster here then DO NOT POST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/quote]

    I rest my case-why so snotty?[/quote]
    /////////////////////////////////////////
    TUT,TUT…
    I DONT KNOW…….thats newbies for ya !

  361. duke says:

    [quote comment="313358"][quote comment="313328"][quote comment="313278"]I am not a poster here, bit sure do read and enjoy what I see, most of the posting I enjoy. But I am getting tired of all of the fighting and almost bitching on toward each other-we are all guessing here no one knows-so repsect each other and stop this yelling back and forth and putting people down. THey may be aliens, they may all be dead, maybe this is someones dream, who knows. Lets show some respect.[/quote]
    SHUT UP…….if you aren’t a poster here then DO NOT POST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/quote]

    I rest my case-why so snotty?[/quote]
    If you are not a poster then stop posting and worrying about what people say to each other.

  362. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="313358"][quote comment="313328"][quote comment="313278"]I am not a poster here, bit sure do read and enjoy what I see, most of the posting I enjoy. But I am getting tired of all of the fighting and almost bitching on toward each other-we are all guessing here no one knows-so repsect each other and stop this yelling back and forth and putting people down. THey may be aliens, they may all be dead, maybe this is someones dream, who knows. Lets show some respect.[/quote]
    SHUT UP…….if you aren’t a poster here then DO NOT POST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/quote]

    I rest my case-why so snotty?[/quote]
    ++++++++++++++
    Sorry for the responses you got here. There are really only a couple of people who can’t remain civil here. A lot of what someone new might see as bickering is just fun heated debate. We have been posting together for a long time and familiar bickering can be see as fighting to someone new.
    As for those comments that actually are rude. Most times the best thing to do is ignore them. Sometimes that is difficult.

  363. gmta leah says:

    Remember when desmond was trying to save charlie ,he said he d tried to save him but it just kept coming back to him dying . Like he kept starting again but reaching the same end ….i am going to watch the episode in question ….so im clearer

  364. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="313358"][quote comment="313328"][quote comment="313278"]I am not a poster here, bit sure do read and enjoy what I see, most of the posting I enjoy. But I am getting tired of all of the fighting and almost bitching on toward each other-we are all guessing here no one knows-so repsect each other and stop this yelling back and forth and putting people down. THey may be aliens, they may all be dead, maybe this is someones dream, who knows. Lets show some respect.[/quote]
    SHUT UP…….if you aren’t a poster here then DO NOT POST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/quote]

    I rest my case-why so snotty?[/quote]
    +++++++++++++++
    Also, when hitting Quote and reply, if there is more than one comment included you need to put a row or something inbetween like I did with +++++. Otherwise it is hard to tell who wrote which part of the comment. I think Leah credited Dukes comment to you and was responding to that.

  365. Frank says:

    Don’t know if this has ever been mentioned, and it really doesn’t matter at all…but I saw Hurley (Jorge Reyes) on a game show called Russian Roulette the other day on GSN….just thought it was funny to see him on a game show pre-lost…anybody else catch that show?

  366. gmta leah says:

    exactly, circus mom….and duke, you cant go telling people not to post . Its not a private club . Everyone is entitled to thier opinion ,even if it was off topic and nothing to do with ‘lost’.If a poster is ‘out of order ‘(and i should know)then it is up to the rest of the group to help them see the error of thier ways….politely…(my spellings not improved any this season)lol.

  367. gmta leah says:

    SHUT UP…….if you aren’t a poster here then DO NOT POST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    If you are not a poster then stop posting and worrying about what people say to each other.
    ///////////////////////////////
    these were the comments i was responding to.sorry,lowakid.

  368. gmta leah says:

    .Getting back on topic,i did think Danielle,s raft was a bit modern or a sixteen year old life raft and the radio ,which icidentally, was receiving some sort of signal.

  369. gmta leah says:

    [quote comment="313374"]Don’t know if this has ever been mentioned, and it really doesn’t matter at all…but I saw Hurley (Jorge Reyes) on a game show called Russian Roulette the other day on GSN….just thought it was funny to see him on a game show pre-lost…anybody else catch that show?[/quote]
    //////////////////////
    Didnt see that but i saw daniel in a pre lost film the other night .He was very young .In fact i ve noticed a couple of actors in ‘pre lost’ things Recently.Richard alpert in smoking aces .

  370. DocH says:

    Long time reader… long time poster (I’ll say what I want). Jorge G was also on BECKER with Ted Danson, toward the end.

    Has anyone not thought about Sawyer watching Kate help Claire “squeeze-out” Aaron? Charlie and Jin were there too (I believe). Did he not see them, or were they too cheap to pay the actors residual/scale.

  371. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="313381"]Long time reader… long time poster (I’ll say what I want). Jorge G was also on BECKER with Ted Danson, toward the end.

    Has anyone not thought about Sawyer watching Kate help Claire “squeeze-out” Aaron? Charlie and Jin were there too (I believe). Did he not see them, or were they too cheap to pay the actors residual/scale.[/quote]
    Thanks Doc. I told my family Charlie was there and they told me I was wrong.

  372. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="313383"]
    Thanks Doc. I told my family Charlie was there and they told me I was wrong.[/quote]

    Charlie and Jin were there indeed. My guess as to the reason why they DIDN’T show the other characters: the “moment” was Sawyer seeing Kate in an intense situation, adding characters would have detracted from that. Also, the audience had not yet seen Jin, we did not know he was alive. Seeing him in the birthing scene, would have diminished the drama of seeing him in the final scenes. Lastly, Claire’s status on the island is questionable and as far as we know, Charlie is dead, and we’d been led to believe Jin was too. I think Sawyer seeing Kate with three essentially thought-of-as-dead characters would have been a little CREEPY!

    : ) P

  373. duke says:

    [quote comment="313375"]exactly, circus mom….and duke, you cant go telling people not to post . Its not a private club . Everyone is entitled to thier opinion ,even if it was off topic and nothing to do with ‘lost’.If a poster is ‘out of order ‘(and i should know)then it is up to the rest of the group to help them see the error of thier ways….politely…(my spellings not improved any this season)lol.[/quote]
    You are right I apologize to ANYONE who was ofended by my comments. This is by far my favorite LOST spot and will watch what I say from now on. Once again my deepest apologies.

  374. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="313389"][quote comment="313375"]exactly, circus mom….and duke, you cant go telling people not to post . Its not a private club . Everyone is entitled to thier opinion ,even if it was off topic and nothing to do with ‘lost’.If a poster is ‘out of order ‘(and i should know)then it is up to the rest of the group to help them see the error of thier ways….politely…(my spellings not improved any this season)lol.[/quote]
    You are right I apologize to ANYONE who was ofended by my comments. This is by far my favorite LOST spot and will watch what I say from now on. Once again my deepest apologies.[/quote]
    ++++++
    Thank you.

  375. Jason says:

    So I am thinking now after this last episode where Locke goes through all the names of everyone that left the Island (not to include Lapidus) did you notice when Locke was talking to Sawyer he said everyone’s name except Desmond? I think John is the 6th person to go back. He only mentiond Jack Sun Sayid, Hugo and Kate but left out Desmond. I mean why would he go through everyone’s name and just not say Desmond unless it meant something

  376. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="313397"]So I am thinking now after this last episode where Locke goes through all the names of everyone that left the Island (not to include Lapidus) did you notice when Locke was talking to Sawyer he said everyone’s name except Desmond? I think John is the 6th person to go back. He only mentiond Jack Sun Sayid, Hugo and Kate but left out Desmond. I mean why would he go through everyone’s name and just not say Desmond unless it meant something[/quote]
    It has not been determined that 6 have to go baack. Ben said to Jack “you all have to go back.” It may or may not include Frank, Desmond and Ji Yeong depending on what Ben meant by “You all”. It might not even include Aaron because as you pointed out, Locke didn’t mention him.

  377. SydLost says:

    Duke said…
    I’ll go back to my photoshop analogy from last week.
    December 31, 2004 Rousseau is on the island while the freighter explodes and the O6 leave. Time on the island starts skipping. December 31, 2004 Rousseau has no memory of having met Jin in 1987, because it has not happened. Flash happens and photoshops Jin into Rousseau’s memories of 1987. That memory WAS NOT THERE UNTIL NOW. That is, December 30, 2004 Rousseau’s memory did not contain that memory until it was photoshoped in. She will have that memory from now on though.
    This is the same reason Desmond did not remember Dan knocking on his door, Ethan did not remember Locke, etc…
    The only one this seems NOT to apply to is Richard Alpert, because he goes and sees baby Locke. He is the exception because he does not age. Unlike Rousseau’s 1987 (let’s say) 25 year old conscience that is different from Rousseau 2004 42 year old conscience, his is always the same. In a way not aging means he is living one long day.
    Make sense?
    ============================

    Sorry but I think you’re dead wrong. This is my take on the time travelling…
    I think Rousseau has always had the memory of Jin. His meeting her in 1987 would not cause a new memory to just pop into her head in 2004. They keep stating that time is a string and what happens in the past is what always happened. Sawyer could not have approached Kate in the jungle because he didn’t do it first time around.
    The key to this is Desmond. Now he did have a memory pop-in. If you recall, Daniel told Des that he was unique and special in this regard. He’s also Dan’s constant. Dan knows this because he told Sawyer that he could never meet Des by banging on the hatch. That means you can’t just interact with people in the past and expect a ‘memory popin’ in 2004. But Dan knew Des was special and Dan alone could interact with Des (because he’s unique).

  378. mcotter says:

    this is what i was worried about damon and carlton thinking they ll all clever and now made some big plot holes, why put in dialogue if they can t keep to it, Daniel “if it didn’t happen it can’t happen”, so why when they go to the past and get shot at by arrows half of the survivors died, so they didnt live in the future, now i mean come on if they died in the past how could they have been on the plane in the first place, so stupid, and HOW is jin time travelling, i don’t care about this water stuff i agree with the comments saying that he shouldn’t be time travelling, so along side him we have all of the crew time travelling, Michael’s dead body somewhere the freighter is going to come back and how then did the island and the boat move but the helicopter didn’t someone said because it was in the air, 815 was in the air that found the island, what was any point in the whole bearing thing last season if they ve completely ignored it this season so far i ve got say for the first time in wathcing lost, im dissapointed

  379. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="313405"]Duke said…
    I’ll go back to my photoshop analogy from last week.
    December 31, 2004 Rousseau is on the island while the freighter explodes and the O6 leave. Time on the island starts skipping. December 31, 2004 Rousseau has no memory of having met Jin in 1987, because it has not happened. Flash happens and photoshops Jin into Rousseau’s memories of 1987. That memory WAS NOT THERE UNTIL NOW. That is, December 30, 2004 Rousseau’s memory did not contain that memory until it was photoshoped in. She will have that memory from now on though.
    This is the same reason Desmond did not remember Dan knocking on his door, Ethan did not remember Locke, etc…
    The only one this seems NOT to apply to is Richard Alpert, because he goes and sees baby Locke. He is the exception because he does not age. Unlike Rousseau’s 1987 (let’s say) 25 year old conscience that is different from Rousseau 2004 42 year old conscience, his is always the same. In a way not aging means he is living one long day.
    Make sense?
    ============================

    Sorry but I think you’re dead wrong. This is my take on the time travelling…
    I think Rousseau has always had the memory of Jin. His meeting her in 1987 would not cause a new memory to just pop into her head in 2004. They keep stating that time is a string and what happens in the past is what always happened. Sawyer could not have approached Kate in the jungle because he didn’t do it first time around.
    The key to this is Desmond. Now he did have a memory pop-in. If you recall, Daniel told Des that he was unique and special in this regard. He’s also Dan’s constant. Dan knows this because he told Sawyer that he could never meet Des by banging on the hatch. That means you can’t just interact with people in the past and expect a ‘memory popin’ in 2004. But Dan knew Des was special and Dan alone could interact with Des (because he’s unique).[/quote]
    _________________________________
    I concur with SydLost 108%

  380. Free DS Lite says:

    I am totally confused with this show now, I have watched it all but it’s been so long between seasons that I forget half the stuff.

    I love it, but just wish my memory was better!

  381. Jaime says:

    [quote comment="313129"][quote comment="313090"][quote comment="312959"][quote comment="312957"][/quote]
    [/quote]

    Now, after learning of the purge, Pierre panics and is desperate to save his son by any means. Somehow, he gets Miles off the island to grow up without his real parents. By this time Miles has already spent a period of time on the island, explaining his nosebleed in – The Little Price. [/quote]
    _____________________________________
    OOOOOOOh, how very Super Man! So Jaime, you think Miles is the Little Prince? I’m with you on everything but this – still sticking my neck out that Locke is the Little Prince. Well, I also am not sure that Miles SHOULD have died in the purge. We don’t know if he was SUPPOSE to be off the island for it (if he was in fact Chang’s son, and I think he was)[/quote]
    *****************************************************

    No i don’t think Miles was the LP more so i was just theorizing aloud as to why or how her could be Chang’s baby as well as his possible past time on the island. I think like most things Lost, the LP can make sense for many different things. It alluded to Rousseau’s appearance and could make sense for Arron and Locke.

  382. wallyp says:

    [quote comment="313431"]this is what i was worried about damon and carlton thinking they ll all clever and now made some big plot holes, why put in dialogue if they can t keep to it, Daniel “if it didn’t happen it can’t happen”, so why when they go to the past and get shot at by arrows half of the survivors died, so they didnt live in the future, now i mean come on if they died in the past how could they have been on the plane in the first place, so stupid, and HOW is jin time travelling, i don’t care about this water stuff i agree with the comments saying that he shouldn’t be time travelling, so along side him we have all of the crew time travelling, Michael’s dead body somewhere the freighter is going to come back and how then did the island and the boat move but the helicopter didn’t someone said because it was in the air, 815 was in the air that found the island, what was any point in the whole bearing thing last season if they ve completely ignored it this season so far i ve got say for the first time in wathcing lost, im dissapointed[/quote]

    The freighter blew to bits… maybe Jin didn’t die because he wasn’t SUPPOSED to… huh?
    He got blasted right into the bearings just as the island moved… him and that piece of wood that he was standing on. Who knows? I gotta say that this episode didn’t leave me hanging all frantic like most episodes do. I was pretty satisfied with the Jin/Rosseau hanger…

    -I was opposed to the idea of time travel at first, but I’ve enjoyed it so far. I feel like I have all along, that time travel is just an explanation for something bigger. Daniels explanations can only go as far as his own understanding of the situation, cuz he’s a “time travel guy”…and plus it doesn’t look like he’s very honest with anybody anyway…

    …although, it does seem like corse correction does take place to prevent most things from happening if they didn’t already happen. (Like flashes for instance)

  383. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="313432"][============================

    Sorry but I think you’re dead wrong. This is my take on the time travelling…
    I think Rousseau has always had the memory of Jin. His meeting her in 1987 would not cause a new memory to just pop into her head in 2004. They keep stating that time is a string and what happens in the past is what always happened. Sawyer could not have approached Kate in the jungle because he didn’t do it first time around.
    The key to this is Desmond. Now he did have a memory pop-in. If you recall, Daniel told Des that he was unique and special in this regard. He’s also Dan’s constant. Dan knows this because he told Sawyer that he could never meet Des by banging on the hatch. That means you can’t just interact with people in the past and expect a ‘memory popin’ in 2004. But Dan knew Des was special and Dan alone could interact with Des (because he’s unique).[/quote]
    _________________________________
    I concur with SydLost 108%[/quote]
    +++++++++++++
    Not me, not buying it. If everybody that is meeting someone during the skipping would have remembered it (like you say Danielle DID) then how the heck did Frogurt die? If you can’t actually confront folks if it didn’t happen before, then Frogurt was never on the plane!

  384. wallyp says:

    …Oh and also, the reason peeps like Frogurt could die, was because they were still living in their own time line.(or maybe I wanna say weren’t still living in their own timeline?) It wouldn’t alter history for him to die in 2004 or 1954 because either way he would be dead at the same point in his own existance.

  385. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="313447"]…Oh and also, the reason peeps like Frogurt could die, was because they were still living in their own time line.(or maybe I wanna say weren’t still living in their own timeline?) It wouldn’t alter history for him to die in 2004 or 1954 because either way he would be dead at the same point in his own existance.[/quote]
    ++++++++
    My hang up with this is, now that the skipping happened and Frogurt died in it…it was something new that DID NOT already happen. If they were to re-show the first four season after the time skipping stops, they would be altered and Frogurt would not be on the plane. And therefore not necessary for Danielle to remember Jin when she comes to the Losties camp.

  386. wallyp says:

    [quote comment="313448"][quote comment="313447"]…Oh and also, the reason peeps like Frogurt could die, was because they were still living in their own time line.(or maybe I wanna say weren’t still living in their own timeline?) It wouldn’t alter history for him to die in 2004 or 1954 because either way he would be dead at the same point in his own existance.[/quote]
    ++++++++
    My hang up with this is, now that the skipping happened and Frogurt died in it…it was something new that DID NOT already happen. If they were to re-show the first four season after the time skipping stops, they would be altered and Frogurt would not be on the plane. And therefore not necessary for Danielle to remember Jin when she comes to the Losties camp.[/quote]

    But it doesn’t matter if Frogurt died in 1954 because it didn’t interfere with anything. He would still be born whenever he was born (I’m gonna guess, late 70’s?) and still be on the plane. – I was actually responding prior to your post, and we sort of crossed paths I think,

    as far as Danielle Rousseu goes, I think I agree with you. Even though I dig the photoshop theory I think it’s safe to say that things that happen on the time skip can be just as easily “photoshopped” out of the memory as they can be into it… What I wanna know is who is gonna flash first, Jin, or Russeau and her crew?

  387. Miraks says:

    [quote comment="313447"]…Oh and also, the reason peeps like Frogurt could die, was because they were still living in their own time line.(or maybe I wanna say weren’t still living in their own timeline?) It wouldn’t alter history for him to die in 2004 or 1954 because either way he would be dead at the same point in his own existance.[/quote]
    I see it as Frogurt being alive until 12.30.2004. He then visits 19?? and gets killed. While he IS alive 12.30.2004, he will have disapeared by 12.31.2004.
    I think the important issue here is that they are traveling PHYSICALY, not just mentaly.

  388. wallyp says:

    [quote comment="313452"][quote comment="313447"]…Oh and also, the reason peeps like Frogurt could die, was because they were still living in their own time line.(or maybe I wanna say weren’t still living in their own timeline?) It wouldn’t alter history for him to die in 2004 or 1954 because either way he would be dead at the same point in his own existance.[/quote]
    I see it as Frogurt being alive until 12.30.2004. He then visits 19?? and gets killed. While he IS alive 12.30.2004, he will have disapeared by 12.31.2004.
    I think the important issue here is that they are traveling PHYSICALY, not just mentaly.[/quote]

    maybe his dead body is still skipping along, and will return safely at 12-31-04 where it lay on the beach?

  389. wallyp says:

    sorry guys I keep forgetting to seperate my responses… arrrrg… hope you can read ‘em..

  390. Missy says:

    Has anyone seen the Tyson chicken commercial for anytizers with Walt in it?? I was so happy to see him – I was now we know what Walt’s been up to – hangin out in a friends kitchen eating bonless chicken products….they actually do look really tastey. Here’s a link to the commercial – Enjoy!
    http://www.tyson.com/Consumer/Products/Promotions/Anytizers.aspx

  391. WTF says:

    [quote comment="313457"]Has anyone seen the Tyson chicken commercial for anytizers with Walt in it?? I was so happy to see him – I was now we know what Walt’s been up to – hangin out in a friends kitchen eating bonless chicken products….they actually do look really tastey. Here’s a link to the commercial – Enjoy!
    http://www.tyson.com/Consumer/Products/Promotions/Anytizers.aspx%5B/quote%5D
    ===============================================
    I have seen it numerous times, but it never occured to me to post a message about it on this site, just as I would not go, “Hey everyone, Did you know that Shannon is in a big movie that is out in the theaters now?” These people are actors. You will see them in commercials, movies, old tv shows….

  392. Bobola says:

    [quote comment="313119"][quote comment="313082"]Why wasn’t Rosseau bright enough to broadcast her distress message in English as well as French?
    Typical French…they think it’s still the International language and it clearly is not anymore.
    Remeber how when the Losties first heard the message they couldn’t understand it…and had to coax that dumb blode bitch to make a translation?
    I guess Rosseau’s not that bright; gets an F in Rescue 101.
    I’d be broadcasting in every language I could.

    I think I figured out why Jin was moving in time but the Chopper folks did not; because they were in the air and not in contact with the sea…so a great deal of area around the island must have moved if Jin got included too….just not the air and birdies I guess.

    Survival Tip No. 44;
    If you steal a boat…then steal ALL the boats next to it or put a hole into the others and take all the paddles along…saves you from gettting your ass chased later….duh.
    God, do they ever need me on that island. ha![/quote]
    The freighter had moved closer to the island. Jin could have been blown into the radius by the blast. Essentially floating around inside the globe when the island moved. There were several minutes between the blast and the island moving. If you picture the radius being like a globe then everything inside the globe would also move and everything outside would not.[/quote]
    oh my little duke gets all bent out of shape because I have the temerity to point out the dumb moves of characters who clearly are in a fight for survival…yet don’t apply simple common sense to their plight.
    Well, toooooo bad,,,I’m going to keep pointing these things out.
    And oh gosh; I didn’t realize this was a TV show?
    Sure, I blame the writers; they certainly get paid enough. As you yourself said…a five year old might figure out some of these things. So what the hell is your beef exactly? I dared say something bad about a French person? Ha…ever been to Paris? It aint exactly 1945 anymore and French people forgot they would be speaking German if it were not for the Americans.
    Now go back to sleep and pretend the bad American ever said any thing bad about your perfect little show.
    I’m perfectly happy to be considered a “hostile” if you want to pretend to be brain dead, Monsieur Einstein.

  393. Hammer says:

    Okay, one more point about why I don’t think that the skipping is part of what has always happened….then I leave the horse alone. :)

    When Alpert gave Locke the compass as a way to confirm Locke when they ‘meet’ again,why would he have to do that if it was already something that ‘always’ happened? Danielle remembers Jin = Alpert remembers Locke, just don’t add up to me. Okay, I’m sorry….I’ll wait for the show to tell us.

  394. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="313460"]Okay, one more point about why I don’t think that the skipping is part of what has always happened….then I leave the horse alone. :)

    When Alpert gave Locke the compass as a way to confirm Locke when they ‘meet’ again,why would he have to do that if it was already something that ‘always’ happened? Danielle remembers Jin = Alpert remembers Locke, just don’t add up to me. Okay, I’m sorry….I’ll wait for the show to tell us.[/quote]
    Well, what “always happened” is that 2004 Locke time-travelled to 1954 to give Alpert the compass. And I don’t think you can wait for the show to tell you more about this – they told you all they plan on telling you in “Jughead”. (and in other episodes where Faraday and Ms. Hawkings said “You can’t change the past”)

  395. Miraks says:

    [quote comment="313460"]Okay, one more point about why I don’t think that the skipping is part of what has always happened….then I leave the horse alone. :)

    When Alpert gave Locke the compass as a way to confirm Locke when they ‘meet’ again,why would he have to do that if it was already something that ‘always’ happened? Danielle remembers Jin = Alpert remembers Locke, just don’t add up to me. Okay, I’m sorry….I’ll wait for the show to tell us.[/quote]
    I still don’t think people can “remember” meeting anyone in the past until the time travel occurs in the present.
    -Danielle did not remember meeting Jin – would remember now (all of a sudden) if she was still alive.
    -Desmond did not remember meeting Faraday at the hatch. It is a memory now though.
    -Ethan would not remember meeting Locke until now.
    -Danielle meeting Jin and Alpert meeting Locke are not the same thing, because Alpert does not age. Danielle’s (and everyone elses) life is a line that has a beginning and an end. This is not the case for Alpert.

  396. Hammer says:

    Sniffs bait…swims away. LOL.

  397. Laurie says:

    [quote comment="312711"]Here is my current ‘nose bleed’ explanation.

    The tots got TD because the freighter(Regina) and the zodiac(Minkowski) came into the island’s radius off coord. 305 and therefore began time travel, albeit small. Des got TD by the heli being ‘slightly’ off course. Dan said it effects people differently and doesn’t know why which explains why Lapidus didn’t get TD….yet.

    Miles, Char, Juliette if I am correct, haven’t encountered a constant on the island…yet. Dan has (Desmond), Sawyer has(Kate), Locke has(Richard)…now Jin has(Danielle). So they haven’t experience TD…yet.[/quote]

    Does Danielle also have Jin as her constant? Is that why the rest of her people get “sick” but she doesn’t?

  398. Hammer says:

    Miraks, I’m not ready to accept that Alpert is someone that does not age. Unless he was born a 35-45 year old man….he ‘USED’ to have birthdays as Ben pointed out. I believe he is dead, and is a visible Whisperer. The reason he knew he wouldn’t know Locke at the next meeting is because he knew Locke was going to be a time before Locke was born. Which (I think) furthers my point that the skipping isn’t something that ‘always’ happenend or he wouldn’t have needed Locke to remind him who he was. We would already know….no?

    Get up horsey!!

  399. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="313465"][quote comment="312711"]Here is my current ‘nose bleed’ explanation.

    The tots got TD because the freighter(Regina) and the zodiac(Minkowski) came into the island’s radius off coord. 305 and therefore began time travel, albeit small. Des got TD by the heli being ‘slightly’ off course. Dan said it effects people differently and doesn’t know why which explains why Lapidus didn’t get TD….yet.

    Miles, Char, Juliette if I am correct, haven’t encountered a constant on the island…yet. Dan has (Desmond), Sawyer has(Kate), Locke has(Richard)…now Jin has(Danielle). So they haven’t experience TD…yet.[/quote]

    Does Danielle also have Jin as her constant? Is that why the rest of her people get “sick” but she doesn’t?[/quote]
    ++++++++++++
    No, IMO, she does get sick. She just doesn’t die from it. She shot her people ’cause she thought they were sick. IMO, we’ll find out that she survived the TD, like Dan’s girlfriend, to a lesser extent.

  400. duke says:

    [quote comment="313459"][quote comment="313119"][quote comment="313082"]Why wasn’t Rosseau bright enough to broadcast her distress message in English as well as French?
    Typical French…they think it’s still the International language and it clearly is not anymore.
    Remeber how when the Losties first heard the message they couldn’t understand it…and had to coax that dumb blode bitch to make a translation?
    I guess Rosseau’s not that bright; gets an F in Rescue 101.
    I’d be broadcasting in every language I could.

    I think I figured out why Jin was moving in time but the Chopper folks did not; because they were in the air and not in contact with the sea…so a great deal of area around the island must have moved if Jin got included too….just not the air and birdies I guess.

    Survival Tip No. 44;
    If you steal a boat…then steal ALL the boats next to it or put a hole into the others and take all the paddles along…saves you from gettting your ass chased later….duh.
    God, do they ever need me on that island. ha![/quote]
    The freighter had moved closer to the island. Jin could have been blown into the radius by the blast. Essentially floating around inside the globe when the island moved. There were several minutes between the blast and the island moving. If you picture the radius being like a globe then everything inside the globe would also move and everything outside would not.[/quote]
    oh my little duke gets all bent out of shape because I have the temerity to point out the dumb moves of characters who clearly are in a fight for survival…yet don’t apply simple common sense to their plight.
    Well, toooooo bad,,,I’m going to keep pointing these things out.
    And oh gosh; I didn’t realize this was a TV show?
    Sure, I blame the writers; they certainly get paid enough. As you yourself said…a five year old might figure out some of these things. So what the hell is your beef exactly? I dared say something bad about a French person? Ha…ever been to Paris? It aint exactly 1945 anymore and French people forgot they would be speaking German if it were not for the Americans.
    Now go back to sleep and pretend the bad American ever said any thing bad about your perfect little show.
    I’m perfectly happy to be considered a “hostile” if you want to pretend to be brain dead, Monsieur Einstein.[/quote]
    I am sure you that you have never been able to look back at something that you have done in your life and said to yourself “maybe I should have done it this way.” Whether that be a choice you made for dinner, survival, or just deciding that you probably didn’t need to brush your teeth. Hindsight gives us all a better understanding of how we could do things dfferently. We all can’t think of everything like you and your mensa brain.

  401. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="313463"]
    I still don’t think people can “remember” meeting anyone in the past until the time travel occurs in the present.
    -Danielle did not remember meeting Jin – would remember now (all of a sudden) if she was still alive.
    -Desmond did not remember meeting Faraday at the hatch. It is a memory now though.
    -Ethan would not remember meeting Locke until now.
    -Danielle meeting Jin and Alpert meeting Locke are not the same thing, because Alpert does not age. Danielle’s (and everyone elses) life is a line that has a beginning and an end. This is not the case for Alpert.[/quote]
    I disagree with this bit about remembering. However, before repeating my whacky theory, I must say that it’s nearly impossible to say what any character remembers or doesn’t remember, unless it’s explicitly stated on the show or in an interview with D&C or something.

    As I said in comment #289, I think it’s unreasonable to expect that Rousseau would have remembered Jin in 2004, after 16 years. So I wouldn’t use the events as portrayed on the show in Seasons 1-4 (i.e., the lack of a conversation between Rousseau and Jin where she says, “Hey aren’t you the guy….”) as evidence that prior to the date of Jin’s time travelling, Rousseau and Jin did not have the 1988 encounter we saw in “The Little Prince”. The past was not changed. That encounter always happened. She may not remember, but it happened.

    I look at it this way: If Rousseau kept a diary, and in 2003 we were to read it, we would see the following entries (dates are approximate):

    Jan 15 1988: We (the science team) left France on our expedition. My friends tell me I’m crazy to do this while I’m 5 months pregnant, but Montand assures me we’ll be back in a month.

    March 15 1988: After several weeks floating around the ocean in our raft, we finally found an island. Coincidentally, we came across an unconscious Asian man floating on a piece of wood. We brought him aboard our raft and headed to the island.

    March 16 1988: It appears our Asian friend has disappeared. We’ve been looking all over the island but we can’t find him anywhere.

    June 1988: Tragedy! Not only has all the science team died, but some people came and stole my baby!

    So I’m saying that in 2003 (or in 1989, or 1990, etc), if you read her diary to look back at the events in Rousseau’s life, you will see that she has already met Jin, back in 1988. That was the 1988 perspective of her life.

    And it’s not like that bit of writing would agically be added to the pages of her diary in 2004, on the day Jin time travelled back to 1988. It was already there in the diary, it’s just that now, the 2004 Jin is actually experiencing it, so we’re seeing that encounter from the 2004 perspective.

    Whether you agree or disagree, I at least hope that you could follow what I’m saying.

  402. Hammer says:

    ToeKnee, you are not confusing me in any way, I totally understand what you are saying. I just feel that at this point, we just don’t agree about what the show is telling us.

    And once again, I hope to break my arm slapping myself on the back…or tell you that you were right…which ever it may be.

  403. Toeknee says:

    At the risk of further aggravating Hammer and others with my belaboring of a point…..

    Imagine that they made a movie biography of Rousseau. Her timeline would include:

    Mar 15 1988 – land on island, meet Jin

    Mar 17 1988 – Jin apparently disappears

    Sept 2004 – encounter survivors of OA815

    Dec 2004 – killed

    Now imagine a biography of Jin. His timeline includes:

    Mar 15 1988 – goes to school (he’s 13 years old)

    Mar 17 1988 – goes to school again

    Sept 2004 – boards OA815, crashes on some island in the south pacific

    Dec 2004 – flies from island to freighter, miraculously survives freighter explosion, floats around on a piece of wood in the ocean. When he comes to he speaks to a woman who says she is Danielle Rouseau.

    So it wasn’t the 1988 Jin that meets Rousseau in 1988, it’s the 2004 Jin. The event happened once, in 1988. The 1988 Rousseau was there, and the 2004 Jin was there. If Rousseau were alive in 2005, the next time Jin sees her he could say, “I just time travelled to 1988 and I met you”. And she’d say, “You know, I can vaguely remember meeting an Asian guy back then!” And she didnt just remember it because the event just happened, she remembered it because she had forgotten it, as is likely after 16 years.

  404. Hammer says:

    Disagree. :)

  405. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="313460"]Okay, one more point about why I don’t think that the skipping is part of what has always happened….then I leave the horse alone. :)

    When Alpert gave Locke the compass as a way to confirm Locke when they ‘meet’ again,why would he have to do that if it was already something that ‘always’ happened? Danielle remembers Jin = Alpert remembers Locke, just don’t add up to me. Okay, I’m sorry….I’ll wait for the show to tell us.[/quote]
    Alpert gave Locke the compas so he would remember him just like Daniel asked Desmond to go to Oxford and give him a equation. The things happening to our losties are happening to them on 12-30-04. Frogurt died on 12-30-04, he just happened to be visiting 1954 while it happened.

    For me the big descripency is Daniel told Desmond to contact his mother in 04 while Daniel was visiting sometime around 02. Desmond should have remembered this on 12-30-04, not three years later.

  406. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="313479"][quote comment="313460"]Okay, one more point about why I don’t think that the skipping is part of what has always happened….then I leave the horse alone. :)

    When Alpert gave Locke the compass as a way to confirm Locke when they ‘meet’ again,why would he have to do that if it was already something that ‘always’ happened? Danielle remembers Jin = Alpert remembers Locke, just don’t add up to me. Okay, I’m sorry….I’ll wait for the show to tell us.[/quote]
    Alpert gave Locke the compas so he would remember him just like Daniel asked Desmond to go to Oxford and give him a equation. The things happening to our losties are happening to them on 12-30-04. Frogurt died on 12-30-04, he just happened to be visiting 1954 while it happened.

    For me the big descripency is Daniel told Desmond to contact his mother in 04 while Daniel was visiting sometime around 02. Desmond should have remembered this on 12-30-04, not three years later.[/quote]
    +++++++++++++
    I think it was PJ that stated it best, but here is why. The Losties skipping experience does not ‘age’ them three years while they skip. The skipping for them that we have seen so far would equate to a couple days max. They haven’t even taken a nap yet. They are not experiencing the time that the ‘off island’ folks and the Others are experiencing. They are grouped together and the only ones not experiencing normal time.

  407. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="313480"][quote comment="313479"][quote comment="313460"]Okay, one more point about why I don’t think that the skipping is part of what has always happened….then I leave the horse alone. :)

    When Alpert gave Locke the compass as a way to confirm Locke when they ‘meet’ again,why would he have to do that if it was already something that ‘always’ happened? Danielle remembers Jin = Alpert remembers Locke, just don’t add up to me. Okay, I’m sorry….I’ll wait for the show to tell us.[/quote]
    Alpert gave Locke the compas so he would remember him just like Daniel asked Desmond to go to Oxford and give him a equation. The things happening to our losties are happening to them on 12-30-04. Frogurt died on 12-30-04, he just happened to be visiting 1954 while it happened.

    For me the big descripency is Daniel told Desmond to contact his mother in 04 while Daniel was visiting sometime around 02. Desmond should have remembered this on 12-30-04, not three years later.[/quote]
    +++++++++++++
    I think it was PJ that stated it best, but here is why. The Losties skipping experience does not ‘age’ them three years while they skip. The skipping for them that we have seen so far would equate to a couple days max. They haven’t even taken a nap yet. They are not experiencing the time that the ‘off island’ folks and the Others are experiencing. They are grouped together and the only ones not experiencing normal time.[/quote]
    +++++++++++++++
    That would work if they all end their time traveling in 2007 but I think Des should have remembered on 12-30-04, the date Daniel started his time travel and just hours after they seperated.

  408. RGS says:

    [quote comment="313475"] If Rousseau were alive in 2005, the next time Jin sees her he could say, “I just time travelled to 1988 and I met you”. And she’d say, “You know, I can vaguely remember meeting an Asian guy back then!” And she didnt just remember it because the event just happened, she remembered it because she had forgotten it, as is likely after 16 years.[/quote]

    The issue I have with your journal entry analogy is that your matter-of-factly portrayal of Jin’s apparent disappearance. If it is consistent with how the flashes seem to occur, he not only disappears, but does so right before their eyes, and probably rather soon (because there is less time between flashes) so it would be the first very strange thing that would happen on the island. She may not remember exactly what he looks like if he in fact does disappear rather quickly though, so that supports your theory.

    I’m kinda with Miraks in that the island jump “unlocks” the memory. However I’m pretty sure there are enough inconsistencies with this, especially in trying to reconcile this with not being able to change the past, that the ultimate resolution is not going to be neat and tidy. There’s going to be upset fans on both sides of this fence.

  409. wallyp says:

    [quote comment="313472"][quote comment="313463"]
    I still don’t think people can “remember” meeting anyone in the past until the time travel occurs in the present.
    -Danielle did not remember meeting Jin – would remember now (all of a sudden) if she was still alive.
    -Desmond did not remember meeting Faraday at the hatch. It is a memory now though.
    -Ethan would not remember meeting Locke until now.
    -Danielle meeting Jin and Alpert meeting Locke are not the same thing, because Alpert does not age. Danielle’s (and everyone elses) life is a line that has a beginning and an end. This is not the case for Alpert.[/quote]
    I disagree with this bit about remembering. However, before repeating my whacky theory, I must say that it’s nearly impossible to say what any character remembers or doesn’t remember, unless it’s explicitly stated on the show or in an interview with D&C or something.

    As I said in comment #289, I think it’s unreasonable to expect that Rousseau would have remembered Jin in 2004, after 16 years. So I wouldn’t use the events as portrayed on the show in Seasons 1-4 (i.e., the lack of a conversation between Rousseau and Jin where she says, “Hey aren’t you the guy….”) as evidence that prior to the date of Jin’s time travelling, Rousseau and Jin did not have the 1988 encounter we saw in “The Little Prince”. The past was not changed. That encounter always happened. She may not remember, but it happened.

    I look at it this way: If Rousseau kept a diary, and in 2003 we were to read it, we would see the following entries (dates are approximate):

    Jan 15 1988: We (the science team) left France on our expedition. My friends tell me I’m crazy to do this while I’m 5 months pregnant, but Montand assures me we’ll be back in a month.

    March 15 1988: After several weeks floating around the ocean in our raft, we finally found an island. Coincidentally, we came across an unconscious Asian man floating on a piece of wood. We brought him aboard our raft and headed to the island.

    March 16 1988: It appears our Asian friend has disappeared. We’ve been looking all over the island but we can’t find him anywhere.

    June 1988: Tragedy! Not only has all the science team died, but some people came and stole my baby!

    So I’m saying that in 2003 (or in 1989, or 1990, etc), if you read her diary to look back at the events in Rousseau’s life, you will see that she has already met Jin, back in 1988.

    That was the 1988 perspective of her life.

    And it’s not like that bit of writing would agically be added to the pages of her diary in 2004, on the day Jin time travelled back to 1988. It was already there in the diary, it’s just that now, the 2004 Jin is actually experiencing it, so we’re seeing that encounter from the 2004 perspective.

    Whether you agree or disagree, I at least hope that you could follow what I’m saying.[/quote]

    ****************************************

    See, I actually think you are both right… Faraday keeps the diary for this purpose, because memories get LOST in time skip.

    Remember when this happened to Desmond?
    Lady:Do you remember what year it was?
    Des:Yeah, it was…. no, I don’t, sorry.

    if he had a diary with 1996 written in it he would be able to read it.

    with Faraday/Des meeting at the hatch, Des wouldn’t remember until it was appropriate, unless he had it written down, which he doesn’t.

    My only question with it is why Des didn’t get the message until 2007, because if he was to get it right when Faraday left it, then technically he would have gotten it in 2005. Unless the island is “actually” in 2007 at this point, which is a possibility. But it could be that Des has been so many places in time, that it isn’t until 2007 that his line is back on course, and then that he can recieve messages.

    “But wally, he recieved messages from Faraday on the freighter in 2004…”

    Yeah, well maybe that little interaction changed up all kinds of air, and now Des can’t recieve another message until 2007.

    One more thought: Time travel on island is physical, but off island is mental? Ah Shit! They’re ALL DEAD!

  410. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="313481"]That would work if they all end their time traveling in 2007 but I think Des should have remembered on 12-30-04, the date Daniel started his time travel and just hours after they seperated.[/quote]
    +++++++++++++
    The problem is that we don’t know that it was ‘just hours’ after they separated. We have no idea when the outside world date is when Dan knocked on the door.

  411. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="313482"]

    The issue I have with your journal entry analogy is that your matter-of-factly portrayal of Jin’s apparent disappearance. If it is consistent with how the flashes seem to occur, he not only disappears, but does so right before their eyes, and probably rather soon (because there is less time between flashes) so it would be the first very strange thing that would happen on the island. She may not remember exactly what he looks like if he in fact does disappear rather quickly though, so that supports your theory.
    [/quote]
    You’re right in that I did downplay Jin’s disappearance, partly because we haven’t seen it occur yet, but partly soas not to shoot a hole in my theory. :)

    (although, most of the flashes we’ve been seeing happen relatively quickly – a few hours or so between flashes, except for the trip to 1954 which may have been as long as one day)

  412. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="313482"] However I’m pretty sure there are enough inconsistencies with this, especially in trying to reconcile this with not being able to change the past, that the ultimate resolution is not going to be neat and tidy. There’s going to be upset fans on both sides of this fence.[/quote]
    ++++++++++++
    The one thing I won’t be is upset. Either way. I have always taken the story for what they want us to have. For me, correct or incorrect is neither here nor there, just bragging rights. I was never upset about anything on the show, Nikki and Paolo, et al. Just enjoying the best written, most intriguing TV show ever.

  413. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="313487"]The one thing I won’t be is upset. Either way. I have always taken the story for what they want us to have. For me, correct or incorrect is neither here nor there, just bragging rights. I was never upset about anything on the show, Nikki and Paolo, et al. Just enjoying the best written, most intriguing TV show ever.[/quote]

    Holy Crap I actually agree with Hammer on something!! :)

  414. RGS says:

    Maybe upset is too strong a word choice, but folks will be feeling “some kinda way,” about whatever the explanation is, which leads me to a theory that I do hate…the Richard Alpert is dead but can be seen by everyone (there, I typed it).

    If that is part and parcel to the Whisperer’s theory, then I hate that theory too!

  415. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="313482"]The issue I have with your journal entry analogy is that your matter-of-factly portrayal of Jin’s apparent disappearance. If it is consistent with how the flashesseem to occur, he not only disappears, but does so right before their eyes, and probably rather soon (because there is less time between flashes) so it would be the first very strange thing that would happen on the island. She may not remember exactly what he looks like if he in fact does disappear rather quickly though, so that supports your theory.[/quote]

    It is interesting that you used those words! S3E8 was called “Flashes Before Your Eyes” and was Desmond’s first time-travel episode where we saw Mrs. Hawking for the first time.

    Hmmm.
    : ) P

  416. duke says:

    What I am having a hard time understanding about time travel and Rous remembering Jin: If she sees him on the island sometime after the 815 originally crashes he technically hasn’t met her YET! Because he did not meet her until after the original O6 returned home, the freighter blew up, and Rous was apparently killed by the mercenaries. Therefore, it seems reasonable to me that she would remember him know if in fact she were still alive. There is no way she could have remembered him when she first started hanging out with Jack & Co. because IT DID NOT HAPPEN UNTIL AFTER THE FREIGHTER BLEW UP AND JIN TRAVELLED TO THE PAST AND ROUS ET AL ARRIVAL ON THE ISLAND.

  417. duke says:

    March 15 1988: After several weeks floating around the ocean in our raft, we finally found an island. Coincidentally, we came across an unconscious Asian man floating on a piece of wood. We brought him aboard our raft and headed to the island.

    Your thoughts on this subject do not seem routed in logic. She did not meet him in 1988 originally. She only met him after he travelled there in 2004 after the freighter blew up. In a sense, the real world was still in 2004 when he time travelled to 1988 on the island. She’s still dead and Sun still thinks he is dead. I believe people get hung up on the fact that you should be able to affect things when travelling to the past. Most importantly the show tells us that DESTINY is what is supposed to happen and you cannot change that. This encounter will eventually affect Jin moreso that Rous as she will still be shot by mercenaries and slaughter her own team because that is her DESTINY.

  418. Jaime says:

    [quote comment="313469"][quote comment="313465"][quote comment="312711"]Here is my current ‘nose bleed’ explanation.

    The tots got TD because the freighter(Regina) and the zodiac(Minkowski) came into the island’s radius off coord. 305 and therefore began time travel, albeit small. Des got TD by the heli being ‘slightly’ off course. Dan said it effects people differently and doesn’t know why which explains why Lapidus didn’t get TD….yet.

    Miles, Char, Juliette if I am correct, haven’t encountered a constant on the island…yet. Dan has (Desmond), Sawyer has(Kate), Locke has(Richard)…now Jin has(Danielle). So they haven’t experience TD…yet.[/quote]

    Does Danielle also have Jin as her constant? Is that why the rest of her people get “sick” but she doesn’t?[/quote]
    ++++++++++++
    No, IMO, she does get sick. She just doesn’t die from it. She shot her people ’cause she thought they were sick. IMO, we’ll find out that she survived the TD, like Dan’s girlfriend, to a lesser extent.[/quote]
    ****************************************************

    I’m going to go out on a limb and say that IF she has a constant it’s her music box.

  419. duke says:

    How could Rous, when retelling her story of arrival on the island to the Losties, not recall rescuing someone floating in the ocean when they arrived. She remembered Montand losing his arm, having to kill her team, why not saving someone’s life? It did not happen originally in 1988 it happened in 2004 time travel to 1988

  420. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="313507"]
    Your thoughts on this subject do not seem routed in logic. She did not meet him in 1988 originally. She only met him after he travelled there in 2004 after the freighter blew up. In a sense, the real world was still in 2004 when he time travelled to 1988 on the island. She’s still dead and Sun still thinks he is dead. I believe people get hung up on the fact that you should be able to affect things when travelling to the past. Most importantly the show tells us that DESTINY is what is supposed to happen and you cannot change that. This encounter will eventually affect Jin moreso that Rous as she will still be shot by mercenaries and slaughter her own team because that is her DESTINY.[/quote]
    I’m not quite sure why you say my thoughts are not rooted in logic. There is a logic ther, you may not agree with it, but it’s there. (Hammer saying he understood what I was saying makes me feel better about there being some logic in my comments)

    But my logic is based on something that completely contradicts your statement “She did not meet him in 1988 originally”. My basic interpretation of what is going on with the time travelling aspects of this show is that there is only one time line, one version of history, and you cannot do anything to change that history (with special exceptions related to Desmond). So, there is no “original version” of 1988, there is only one version of 1988, and in that version, a time-travelling Jin appeared out of nowhere. I do agree, that in the real world it is still 2004, however, at the moment he travelled to 1988, Jin is not present in the real world 2004.

  421. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="313509"]How could Rous, when retelling her story of arrival on the island to the Losties, not recall rescuing someone floating in the ocean when they arrived. She remembered Montand losing his arm, having to kill her team, why not saving someone’s life? It did not happen originally in 1988 it happened in 2004 time travel to 1988[/quote]

    See comment 289 for my thoughts. I can explain further if needed

  422. duke says:

    Marty Mcfly’s mom did not remember trying to make out with her son if he did not go back in time. The time travel has to occur before people can remember it so if the island never started skipping through time then Rous wouldn’t have remembered Jin because it did not happen but since it does skip her 2004 self would remember if she were alive.

  423. duke says:

    I undestand what you are saying but I heartily disagree. Desmond can affect things that haven’t happened yet not things that we’ve seen already happen. Des can find Daniel’s mom but he can’t leave the island any sooner or change anything that already happened. We haven’t seen any other characters interact with someone that could affect things we’ve seen. Locke did not go to the hatch and tell himself anything, Sawyer did not speak with Kate. We have only seen interactions with people who can affect the future which hasn’t played out and not the future (from 1954 or 1988) that has already occurred. You cannot change anything that has already happened but you can change something that has yet to occur. The outcome may be predestined to already be the outcome but there are thousands of ways to get to the outcome (ie Charlie’s Death).

  424. duke says:

    Toeknee,

    If I am following your logic then 5 year old Locke would have remembered Richard because he met him in 1954 when Locke was a 50 year old man.

  425. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="313514"]Toeknee,

    If I am following your logic then 5 year old Locke would have remembered Richard because he met him in 1954 when Locke was a 50 year old man.[/quote]
    No, I’m not saying that at all. Actually, I can’t even follow the logic of how you came to that conclusion. :)

    Using your example, my interpretation of those scenes is that the 50-year-old Locke who met Alpert in 1954 is the 2004 mind and body of Locke. I’m not saying that his presence in 1954 instills memories in every existence of Locke post-1954. He’s just visiting. Much like your 2009 self might go to visit Italy, Locke’s 2004 self went to visit 1954. Let’s say that visit occurred on Dec. 30, 2004. The only versions of Locke that remember the 1954 visit are those versions that exist after Dec. 30, 2004.

  426. SydLost says:

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    Circus Mom
    Comment 406, posted 1 hour, 24 minutes ago – Quote and reply

    Hammer wrote:

    Okay, one more point about why I don’t think that the skipping is part of what has always happened….then I leave the horse alone. :)

    When Alpert gave Locke the compass as a way to confirm Locke when they ‘meet’ again,why would he have to do that if it was already something that ‘always’ happened? Danielle remembers Jin = Alpert remembers Locke, just don’t add up to me. Okay, I’m sorry….I’ll wait for the show to tell us.

    Alpert gave Locke the compas so he would remember him just like Daniel asked Desmond to go to Oxford and give him a equation. The things happening to our losties are happening to them on 12-30-04. Frogurt died on 12-30-04, he just happened to be visiting 1954 while it happened.

    For me the big descripency is Daniel told Desmond to contact his mother in 04 while Daniel was visiting sometime around 02. Desmond should have remembered this on 12-30-04, not three years later.
    ======================

    As I keep saying, Des is unique and special. Daniels words outside the hatch. He’s the only one who can be used to get a message to the future.

  427. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="313512"]Marty Mcfly’s mom did not remember trying to make out with her son if he did not go back in time. The time travel has to occur before people can remember it so if the island never started skipping through time then Rous wouldn’t have remembered Jin because it did not happen but since it does skip her 2004 self would remember if she were alive.[/quote]
    I don’t think you can apply Back to the Future logic to LOST. I believe it has been clearly stated in the show and in interviews/podcasts, that there is no “paradox”. And Daniel stated there is only one timeline, and that you can’t change the past. My previous posts are strictly based on that interpretation. Following their rules, I can’t travel back to, say, May 12, 1998 and tell my friend to leave his office 10 minutes later than he originally did, so that he’d avoid the car accident he got into that day. That would be changing the past, and that can’t happen. No matter how I hard I might try to do that, something would arise to prevent me from doing it, because it didn’t happen first time through.

  428. Rita says:

    [quote comment="313508"][quote comment="313469"][quote comment="313465"][quote comment="312711"]
    [/quote]
    [/quote]
    [/quote]
    I’m going to go out on a limb and say that IF she has a constant it’s her music box.[/quote]
    ___________________________________________
    I think that the whole idea of a “constant” is that it is something by which you can orient yourself in time. So if someone/thing travels WITH you, it wouldn’t be any help to you in placing yourself in time. That’s why Daniel asked if there were any manmade objects nearby, and they headed to the “hatch” (Swan station) – by seeing its current state (pre-mid-post explosion) they would be able to guess when they were so to speak. All this to say that I don’t believe Danielle’s music box would be able to be her constant.

  429. duke says:

    [quote comment="313520"][quote comment="313512"]Marty Mcfly’s mom did not remember trying to make out with her son if he did not go back in time. The time travel has to occur before people can remember it so if the island never started skipping through time then Rous wouldn’t have remembered Jin because it did not happen but since it does skip her 2004 self would remember if she were alive.[/quote]
    I don’t think you can apply Back to the Future logic to LOST. I believe it has been clearly stated in the show and in interviews/podcasts, that there is no “paradox”. And Daniel stated there is only one timeline, and that you can’t change the past. My previous posts are strictly based on that interpretation. Following their rules, I can’t travel back to, say, May 12, 1998 and tell my friend to leave his office 10 minutes later than he originally did, so that he’d avoid the car accident he got into that day. That would be changing the past, and that can’t happen. No matter how I hard I might try to do that, something would arise to prevent me from doing it, because it didn’t happen first time through.[/quote]
    Yeah but wouldn’t you remember meeting someone in 1954 when you landed back in 2004. Yeah, I believe you cannot change the outcomes of the future but you can change how you get to those conclusions. Desmond changed Charlie’s fate allowing him to get the Not Penny’s boat message when he should have died previously. The outcome was the same but the way he died changed. Consequently, if you travel from point A (2004) to Point B (1954) You cannot still be in 2004. I only brought up Back to the Future as a joke. I believe we disagree on the principles of the show. I do not think Daniel stated Desmond was special because he could go above the “LAWS” of time travel but that Sawyer couldn’t meet him because that would affect what we saw of the losties dicovering the hatch etc… therefore able to affect the future, not the future that we’ve seen but the future that hasn’t happened yet.

  430. duke says:

    Desmond is the only one to be able to get a message to the future is because he is the only one they have encountered that is off the island.

  431. duke says:

    Toeknee,

    Do you believe that what we are watching of Oceanic 6 is three years in the future of when the island time is occurring? Or is the island time also three in the future?

  432. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="313524"]Toeknee,

    Do you believe that what we are watching of Oceanic 6 is three years in the future of when the island time is occurring? Or is the island time also three in the future?[/quote]
    Well, the scenes of the O6, where Hurley is in jail, and Sayid, Jack, Ben, Kate, and Sun are in some parking lot – that’s all 2007. The scenes from the beginning of “THe Little Prince”, where Kate and Jack are on the boat discussing the fact that Kate has to say Aaron is hers, that’s early 2005, immediately after they left the island.

    The “normal time” for the characters on the island is late 2004, early 2005. However they are jumping around, to 1954, 1988, 2002/2003, and October 2004. However, in their mind, it is supposed to be late 2004/early 2005. That is their own chronology. By travelling to 1954 doesn’t change their state of mind or body. They don’t revert in age, and they don’t start living their life all over again from the time they travelled to.

    When Locke is in 1954, he’s not depositing his 2004 knowledge in some knowledge bank to be held there until the day he’s born, so it could somehow be downloaded into the baby’s brain. Locke is born and grows up with no knowledge that his 50 year old self has already been on this earth, in 1954.

  433. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="313522"]
    Yeah but wouldn’t you remember meeting someone in 1954 when you landed back in 2004. Yeah, I believe you cannot change the outcomes of the future but you can change how you get to those conclusions. Desmond changed Charlie’s fate allowing him to get the Not Penny’s boat message when he should have died previously. The outcome was the same but the way he died changed. Consequently, if you travel from point A (2004) to Point B (1954) You cannot still be in 2004. I only brought up Back to the Future as a joke. I believe we disagree on the principles of the show. I do not think Daniel stated Desmond was special because he could go above the “LAWS” of time travel but that Sawyer couldn’t meet him because that would affect what we saw of the losties dicovering the hatch etc… therefore able to affect the future, not the future that we’ve seen but the future that hasn’t happened yet.[/quote]
    I agree with a lot of what you said here. Namely I agree that we disagree LOL. But I agree that the 50-yr old Locke who traveled to 1954 remembers that visit when he gets back to 2004. But prior to the day in 2004 when he actually did the time travelling, he had no knowledge of it, because in his own personal timeine, it hadn’t happened yet – he hadn’t experienced it. So on Dec 1, 2004 (for example), Alpert could remember the 1954 meeting because it already happened to him, but Locke can’t remember it because it hadn’t yet happened to him.

    Somehow I thought Daniel did say Desmond was special and somehow the “laws” didn’t apply to him in the same way. I’d have to check the transcript.

    Let me repeat to – all of this is just my interpretation of what has been presented on the show. D&C have made up their own set of rules regarding how the time travel works. This is all pure fiction. I’m not saying you are doing this, but you can’t analyze the show based on some preconceptions of time travel you may have.

  434. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="313522"] Consequently, if you travel from point A (2004) to Point B (1954) You cannot still be in 2004. [/quote]
    I agree. It’s their 2004 bodies that are doing the travelling. So if on Dec 30, 2004, the bodies travel to Oct 10, 2004, their bodies are no longer present on the island’s Dec 30, 2004 time. And Alpert witnessed Locke just vanish before his eyes (I’m assuming). However, when those Dec 30, 2004 bodies arrive in Oct 10 2004, it is entirely possible that they could come in contact with their own Oct 10, 2004 bodies. At the time of the scene where Sawyer watched Claire give birth, somewhere else on the island was another Sawyer, another Locke, another Juliet.

    What happens if the two bodies run into each other – I don’t know. But there was a Dharma video related to this, where the two bunnies with the same number appeared in the same room. And Dr. Candle said something like “don’t let them near each other.”

  435. duke says:

    The island is then about 3 years behind real world time. So 1954 Locke telling Alpert to come see him when he was born “two years from now in Tustin? would have already occurred since his birthdate was only two years from the conversation. The real world date would be 1957 a year after Locke’s birth.

    My point is that the years are not happening at the same time. 1954 is not happening at the same time as 2004.

  436. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="313528"]The island is then about 3 years behind real world time. So 1954 Locke telling Alpert to come see him when he was born “two years from now in Tustin? would have already occurred since his birthdate was only two years from the conversation. The real world date would be 1957 a year after Locke’s birth.

    My point is that the years are not happening at the same time. 1954 is not happening at the same time as 2004.[/quote]
    Hold it, you’re saying that the island time is 3 years behind real world time? I’m not saying that at all. When we see the O6 in 2007, I still view that as a flash-forward from the base time of late 2004. Every now and then there’s a graphic on the screen that says “Three years earlier”. Plus the little kids Charlie and Aaron both seem to be the appropriate ages for 2007 (having been born in 2004 and 2005 respectively). We have not seen any of what has transpired on the island between late 2004 and 2007. But when the O6 get back to the island (in 2007 real time and island time), Juliet, Sawyer, Locke, etc will all be 3 years older, and they will have been assuming the O6 have been dead for the last 3 years.

  437. wally p says:

    [quote comment="313527"][quote comment="313522"]

    What happens if the two bodies run into each other – I don’t know. [/quote]

    FLASH!

    The dharma rabbit coming in contact with itself would have caused a flash, for the whole group, I’m guessing. Or at least any of the people that came to the island in the same group as the rabbits. Wouldn’t have been to cool for the experiment. Flashes are unpredictable.

  438. duke says:

    Toeknee

    I understand your view on coming into contact with their former selfs. I am saying that if they go to the future that their isn’t another one of them running around somewhere.

  439. duke says:

    Yes, Toeknee, I am saying that island time is 3years behind real world time. We know that it is behind so many minutes from Daniel’s rocket experiment. So I look at it as since the boat was so close you only get the minimal delay and I translate that delay to the real world being further away from the island, kinda of like movie box offices. X movie made 25 million in 1980 whick translates to 100 million in today’s dollar.

    Also, I do not believe the screen says three years earlier but three years from the time frame of 2004 when losties began their journey. Based on your theory the people left on the island would not have lived years 2004-whenever the Oceanic 6 make it back. Because they spent it time travelling. I assume that the people on the island will find a way to stop the time jumps and Oceanic 6 will meet up with them “just after they left.” Furthermore, Ben seems to know what is going on so his desire to get Oceanic 6 back to the island may be inpart because they could eventually help Widmore find it again and not to “save the island.” I believe it is all part of Ben’s plan to keep Widmore from getting the island back.

  440. Skweez says:

    Damon and Carlton have gone down a very slippery slope and now there’s no returning. And, they can’t burn valuable time trying to explain it in the last 30 hours of programming. At this point, we’ve been loyal fans this long, they got us by the short and curly’s!

    I think everyone has made some good points and there are holes in all of the theories, lets just hope that it all makes sense when it’s all said and done so that we don’t feel cheated in the end.

  441. duke says:

    I agree but this is definatly the best place to “conversations” about the best show ever produced. I do not getthis anywhere else. Toeknee, I have throughly enjoyed our debates and looked forward to more in the future.

  442. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="313533"]Toeknee

    I understand your view on coming into contact with their former selfs. I am saying that if they go to the future that their isn’t another one of them running around somewhere.[/quote]
    I think their could be two versions of one person in the future. For Sawyer, for example, let’s assume his destiny is to die in 2020. If he were to time travel from 2004 to 2025, then you’re right, there wouldn’t be two of him running around. However, if he time travelled from 2004 to 2015, then yes there would be two of him versions of him present in 2015, his 2004 self, and his 2015 self.

    [quote comment="313534"]Yes, Toeknee, I am saying that island time is 3years behind real world time.[/quote]
    I’m not so sure about that. I can’t rule it out completely, and I know Daniel’s rocket experiment showed that something funky is going on, but I don’t think there’s a 3 year time difference.

    [quote comment="313534"]
    Based on your theory the people left on the island would not have lived years 2004-whenever the Oceanic 6 make it back. Because they spent it time travelling. [/quote]
    I agreee that the people left on the island are probably going to be time travelling until the O6 make it back. But I still believe that is a 3 year time frame. Locke/Bentham dies in 2007, when Aaron is 3 years old (or so), so three years (or so) have passed since the O6 left the island. Three years (or so) have also passed for those left on the island. IMHO.

    Now, I suppose it’s quite possible that amidst all their time travels, Sawyer, Locke, Juliet, etc may end up in 2007 at the exact time the O6 return to the island. But that would seem to be a major coincidence and a highly contrived plot device. And I have a hard time wrapping my mind around what that actually means. If they’re time travelling to 2007, and the O6 return and somehow stop the time travelling from occurring, does that mean they’re stuck in 2007? In that case I guess there will be an apparent gap of 3 years missing from their lives.

  443. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="313536"]I agree but this is definatly the best place to “conversations” about the best show ever produced. I do not getthis anywhere else. Toeknee, I have throughly enjoyed our debates and looked forward to more in the future.[/quote]
    Me too duke. I just hope we haven’t scared away everyone else from this site.

  444. The Wrz says:

    Everyone seems to be trying to prove current theories using info that we have obtained through the first four seasons. Those rules were only for when the island remained stationary. Once it started skipping, its an entirely new ballgame. These jumps through time(and space) take a lot more time in the Real World(O6 time) than they do on the island. Thats why they only have 70 hours before something terrible happens, but it has taken 3 years for the O6 to figure out that they need to go back. I think if they return to the island they will be 3 years older but those still on the island will only be 70 hours older.

    On a side note, when will we find out about Richard? He is so smart for always being the guy behind the guy. He lets everyone else think they are in charge, when in fact he is the one pushing the buttons(no pun intended). We will see him guide Widmore, Ben, Locke and whoever comes after(Jack, Aaron???) but when it hits the fan, they have to turn the wheel and get excomunicated from the island, not him.

  445. Missy says:

    [quote comment="313458"][quote comment="313457"]Has anyone seen the Tyson chicken commercial for anytizers with Walt in it?? I was so happy to see him – I was now we know what Walt’s been up to – hangin out in a friends kitchen eating bonless chicken products….they actually do look really tastey. Here’s a link to the commercial – Enjoy!
    http://www.tyson.com/Consumer/Products/Promotions/Anytizers.aspx%5B/quote%5D
    ===============================================
    I have seen it numerous times, but it never occured to me to post a message about it on this site, just as I would not go, “Hey everyone, Did you know that Shannon is in a big movie that is out in the theaters now?” These people are actors. You will see them in commercials, movies, old tv shows….[/quote]
    _____
    Seriously? What has gotten into people here?You seriously replied with that? And didn’t have the guts to use your real handle? Well WTF back at you. Can we add an @sshole clause to the posting rules?

  446. RGS says:

    [quote comment="313577"]These jumps through time(and space) take a lot more time in the Real World(O6 time) than they do on the island. Thats why they only have 70 hours before something terrible happens, but it has taken 3 years for the O6 to figure out that they need to go back. I think if they return to the island they will be 3 years older but those still on the island will only be 70 hours older.[/quote]
    ^^^^^^^^^
    Why did you arbitrarily pick 70 hours as the amount of time that the folks on the island will have aged?

    In the real world, they only have 70 hrs to get them back to the island, from the time Ms. Hawkings finished her scribbles. So that’s (about) 3 years+70 hrs.

  447. The Wrz says:

    [quote comment="313579"][quote comment="313577"]These jumps through time(and space) take a lot more time in the Real World(O6 time) than they do on the island. Thats why they only have 70 hours before something terrible happens, but it has taken 3 years for the O6 to figure out that they need to go back. I think if they return to the island they will be 3 years older but those still on the island will only be 70 hours older.[/quote]
    ^^^^^^^^^
    Why did you arbitrarily pick 70 hours as the amount of time that the folks on the island will have aged?

    In the real world, they only have 70 hrs to get them back to the island, from the time Ms. Hawkings finished her scribbles. So that’s (about) 3 years+70 hrs.[/quote]

    Agree to disagree. So the 70 hours is in real world time not island time? It seems like 70 hours would be all they could last before getting nosebleeds and croaking

  448. Toeknee says:

    A new thought on the 70 hours thing:
    (I posted this elsewhere but I’ll repeat it here)

    Sawyer, Juliet, Locke, etc are hopping back and forth in time. Ms. Hawkings has done some calculations to determine the timing and destination (i.e., date) of their time-travels. She determined that 70 hours after the time that scene in “The Lie” takes place, the island would time travel to a particular date and time that coincides with the dateline/timeline we’re seeing Ben and the O6 interact in 2007. So that will be Ben’s opportunity to get the O6 back to the island. If he misses it “God Help Us All”.

    But I don’t think the 70 hours has any relation to the time of Sawyer, Juliet, etc. That time-travelling jump may occur in the next episode, which maybe another 3 hours later in island time, or it may be in the last episode of the season, which may be a week or two later in island time. The 70 hours has nothing to do with island time. It has to do with “real-world” 2007 time.

  449. The Wrz says:

    [quote comment="313583"]A new thought on the 70 hours thing:
    (I posted this elsewhere but I’ll repeat it here)

    Sawyer, Juliet, Locke, etc are hopping back and forth in time. Ms. Hawkings has done some calculations to determine the timing and destination (i.e., date) of their time-travels. She determined that 70 hours after the time that scene in “The Lie” takes place, the island would time travel to a particular date and time that coincides with the dateline/timeline we’re seeing Ben and the O6 interact in 2007. So that will be Ben’s opportunity to get the O6 back to the island. If he misses it “God Help Us All”.

    But I don’t think the 70 hours has any relation to the time of Sawyer, Juliet, etc. That time-travelling jump may occur in the next episode, which maybe another 3 hours later in island time, or it may be in the last episode of the season, which may be a week or two later in island time. The 70 hours has nothing to do with island time. It has to do with “real-world” 2007 time.[/quote]
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Ok. That makes sense. Everytime I think I figured something out…damn show.

  450. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="313583"]A new thought on the 70 hours thing:
    (I posted this elsewhere but I’ll repeat it here)

    Sawyer, Juliet, Locke, etc are hopping back and forth in time. Ms. Hawkings has done some calculations to determine the timing and destination (i.e., date) of their time-travels. She determined that 70 hours after the time that scene in “The Lie” takes place, the island would time travel to a particular date and time that coincides with the dateline/timeline we’re seeing Ben and the O6 interact in 2007. So that will be Ben’s opportunity to get the O6 back to the island. If he misses it “God Help Us All”.

    But I don’t think the 70 hours has any relation to the time of Sawyer, Juliet, etc. That time-travelling jump may occur in the next episode, which maybe another 3 hours later in island time, or it may be in the last episode of the season, which may be a week or two later in island time. The 70 hours has nothing to do with island time. It has to do with “real-world” 2007 time.[/quote]
    +++++++++++++++
    Holy crap, there’ another thing we agree on. :)

    I agree because the ‘skippers’ are not experiencing time like they would be if only the island were moved.

  451. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="313580"][quote comment="313579"][quote comment="313577"]These jumps through time(and space) take a lot more time in the Real World(O6 time) than they do on the island. Thats why they only have 70 hours before something terrible happens, but it has taken 3 years for the O6 to figure out that they need to go back. I think if they return to the island they will be 3 years older but those still on the island will only be 70 hours older.[/quote]
    ^^^^^^^^^
    Why did you arbitrarily pick 70 hours as the amount of time that the folks on the island will have aged?

    In the real world, they only have 70 hrs to get them back to the island, from the time Ms. Hawkings finished her scribbles. So that’s (about) 3 years+70 hrs.[/quote]

    Agree to disagree. So the 70 hours is in real world time not island time? It seems like 70 hours would be all they could last before getting nosebleeds and croaking[/quote]
    +++++++++++++
    I think that because Ben told Hawking that he ‘just lost Reyes’ and we know Reyes has been off island for approx. 3 years, it proves that off island time before D-Day is approx. 3 years + 70 hours.

  452. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="313588"]
    Holy crap, there’ another thing we agree on. :)
    [/quote]
    Two in two days!? I better quit while I’m ahead!

  453. Circus Mom says:

    WHEN will it be (on the island) when our O6 return. They are/were part of the group who are time traveling. Will they jump to the same time when they enter the islands radius?

    When the island is in pre 12-30-04 time is it in the spot where they left it? If they travel to that spot and wait will it apear underneath them like it did to Yemi’s plane and apparently to the Black Rock.

  454. Miraks says:

    I think that when the O6 get back to the island three years will have gone by both on and off the island. We are seeing the O6 in 2007 now. We have seen parts of what happened to them between 2004 and 2007 last season (Kate’s trial, Hurley’s return to the crazy house, Sun’s pregnancy, Sayid marrying his love and going around killing people for Ben, etc… Now we will see what happened to the Losties on the island between 2004 and 2007. When they finally all meet up again, we will have seen what happened to both groups between 2004-2007- we’ll just see it in two seasons worth of Lost.

  455. Hammer says:

    I agree, the island itself and lest we forget Richard and the rest of the Others, are on the ‘moved’ island and NOT skipping. It will be something close to off island time. The reason I say close is because the island time was already at one point about 30 minutes off the real world pace when Dan did his test.

  456. adriennez says:

    Hi all! I haven’t been on here since last season…have been doing some reading today to try and catch up…maybe I missed this discussion somewhere else but did anyone ever talk about whether or not we think that Ji Yeon also needs to go back to the island since she was in utero when Sun left? Did anyone else think it was weird that Sun referred at some point in the future to her baby being with her mother…her mother that is married to her father who she has somewhat declared revenge against(blames him for Jin’s death). So sorry if I have missed this discussion somewhere else on here…you guys are hard to keep up with…the amount of content here…

  457. Hammer says:

    Now that I think about it. Dan had mentioned that the ‘light’ seemed ‘different’ early on after he landed on the island. I wonder if some ‘skipping’ had already began and is why the doctor washed up on shore before he died.

  458. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="313596"]Hi all! I haven’t been on here since last season…have been doing some reading today to try and catch up…maybe I missed this discussion somewhere else but did anyone ever talk about whether or not we think that Ji Yeon also needs to go back to the island since she was in utero when Sun left? Did anyone else think it was weird that Sun referred at some point in the future to her baby being with her mother…her mother that is married to her father who she has somewhat declared revenge against(blames him for Jin’s death). So sorry if I have missed this discussion somewhere else on here…you guys are hard to keep up with…the amount of content here…[/quote]
    +++++++++++++
    It’s been brought up a few times. In each thread you can do a search but press ctrl and f at the same time. A seach box will pop up and you can enter what you are looking for…like Ji Yeon. It will take you to the posts that have that word in it….happy hunting.

  459. jeb says:

    hi to all,

    i might be out on a limp here, but what if there is some form of time/memory delay between things happening on the island to things happening in the ‘future’ off island.

    since the island is dislodged from the time/space continium, couldn’t it be possible that daniel’s conversation to the still in the hatch desmond, got stuck in time (maybe with the island) and reached desmond’s conciousness a lot later.

    somewhat like the doctor from the freighter, he arrived dead on the island while not beying dead yet on the freighter. something to do with the right entry course to the island.

    i know it’s farfetched but hey, isn’t a smokemonster?
    i’d love to hear what you guys think!

    Jeb

  460. wingman says:

    As far as the whole situation with Locke coming back to the island dead like Christian Sheppard, I believe that the reason dead people can be somewhat “restored” on the island is because of the time-loop effect of the island…Because the island is always moving or associating itself with time-space phenomenon when a body that dies off island enters the loop it can’t really be dead because the “you” that exists in the world’s timeline isn’t dead…So I think people like Christian (and probably Dead Locke) are caught in a temporal flux between death and life…I don’t know if they have to get used to the island before they can really talk or that they pretend to be ghosts, but they seem to be able to communicate when needed to…So when Locke’s body returns I believe he will be a being like Christian…

    Offtopic: Part of me wants to believe that Richard is somehow associated with this phenomenon and therefore can’t die because he’s not really alive…If it’s true that he is infact not a time-traveler as we’ve been swayed to believe, the reason he tells Locke he has to die because he knows what that scenario is like himself…Hell the reason Locke is no longer paralyzed might be because the minute he touched down on the island, he was already the reincarnation of dead Locke (Yeah wrap you noggin around that)…

  461. RGS says:

    [quote comment="313597"]Now that I think about it. Dan had mentioned that the ‘light’ seemed ‘different’ early on after he landed on the island. I wonder if some ‘skipping’ had already began and is why the doctor washed up on shore before he died.[/quote]
    ^^^^^^^^
    IMO I just think the island “bubble” distorts time. One thing that I just thought about that kinda got swept under the rug in all the hub-bub of the final ep from last season was that EVEN if utilizing the right bearing, it still took a significant amount of time for the helicopter to get from the island to the freightor. Remember when we were trying to figure out how many days had passed etc, between Des and Sayid leaving and calling back to the island? Then in the final ep., they were zipping back and forth to and from the freightor (zodiac and helicopter) in record time.

    So that either goes to show there is no rhyme or reason to the amount of time that is distorted, or they got too cute with that whole thing and it will be chalked up to another island mystery.

  462. duke says:

    I believe that Oceanic 6 will return to the island when it is still skipping and time will be readjusted to around the time they originally left. I believe that O6 are living three years into the future of the skipping island. When they do get back it wouldn’t have seemed that long (3years) to Sawyer, Juliet, et al. I also tend to believe that Richard doesn’t age because he, technically, isn’t alive sort of like Christian Shepherd.

  463. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="313605"]…I also tend to believe that Richard doesn’t age because he, technically, isn’t alive sort of like Christian Shepherd.[/quote]
    ++++++++++++++

    Hammer
    Comment 399, posted 1 day ago – Quote and reply
    Miraks, I’m not ready to accept that Alpert is someone that does not age. Unless he was born a 35-45 year old man….he ‘USED’ to have birthdays as Ben pointed out. I believe he is dead, and is a visible Whisperer.

  464. duke says:

    I also believe that Daniel is wrong in his prediction that you cannot change the past. We all just assume he is right but he is obviously not Mr. Know everything about time travel as evidenced by his frying Teresa’s brain. Maybe things can be corrected if done at the right time.

  465. bruce says:

    1) It seems to me like people can come back to life on the island as long as they aren’t buried. And that makes me think Charlie could come back to life eventually too, but that may just be wishful thinking.

    2) Walt’s mom died of a “rare blood disorder” after we saw her feeling light headed. Was she a time traveler?

    3) Is Walt the real “chosen leader” to replace Ben?

    4) What happened to the cave?

  466. wingman says:

    [quote comment="313607"]I also believe that Daniel is wrong in his prediction that you cannot change the past. We all just assume he is right but he is obviously not Mr. Know everything about time travel as evidenced by his frying Teresa’s brain. Maybe things can be corrected if done at the right time.[/quote]

    I’m also not buying the “You can’t change things argument”…I think that people like Ben, Daniel, Daniel’s Mom, and possible Richard say these things so that they can scare the people they are trying to convince into doing what they need them to do…

    I’m also having a hard time believing that everything that changes is photoshopped into your memory at that point…That might work for Desmond since he’s “special” or because he’s Daniel’s constant, but if memories only pop into your head after the fact how did Richard know that Locke would be shot by the plane and that he needed to bring a first-aid kit? Going by the logic that memories “pop” or “photoshop” into your head, Richard wouldn’t have known that Locke talked to him in ’52 until after that happened…I think the show loses a huge thrill factor if only memories pop into people’s heads and you can’t influence anything in the actual time travel…We’ve only seen this happened with Desmond and until I see it happen with someone else I don’t think that’s the key…I think that Danielle always met Jin, like I think Richard always met Locke in ’52…Time travel makes time travel…

  467. BaileyLovesLost says:

    Maybe Richard can time travel to the future and that is how he knew what Locke was going to do. Maybe back around 1954 or whenever it was in the “Jughead” episode, Richard was able to time travel to the future and see what happens.

  468. RGS says:

    [quote comment="313612"][quote comment="313607"]I also believe that Daniel is wrong in his prediction that you cannot change the past. We all just assume he is right but he is obviously not Mr. Know everything about time travel as evidenced by his frying Teresa’s brain. Maybe things can be corrected if done at the right time.[/quote]

    I’m also not buying the “You can’t change things argument”…I think that people like Ben, Daniel, Daniel’s Mom, and possible Richard say these things so that they can scare the people they are trying to convince into doing what they need them to do…

    I’m also having a hard time believing that everything that changes is photoshopped into your memory at that point…That might work for Desmond since he’s “special” or because he’s Daniel’s constant, but if memories only pop into your head after the fact how did Richard know that Locke would be shot by the plane and that he needed to bring a first-aid kit? Going by the logic that memories “pop” or “photoshop” into your head, Richard wouldn’t have known that Locke talked to him in ’52 until after that happened…I think the show loses a huge thrill factor if only memories pop into people’s heads and you can’t influence anything in the actual time travel…We’ve only seen this happened with Desmond and until I see it happen with someone else I don’t think that’s the key…I think that Danielle always met Jin, like I think Richard always met Locke in ’52…Time travel makes time travel…[/quote]

    One issue with this thought, is that we don’t know when Locke told Richard he would be shot and underneath the plane in year X. They never showed that scene.

  469. gmta leah says:

    [quote comment="313390"][quote comment="313389"][quote comment="313375"]exactly, circus mom….and duke, you cant go telling people not to post . Its not a private club . Everyone is entitled to thier opinion ,even if it was off topic and nothing to do with ‘lost’.If a poster is ‘out of order ‘(and i should know)then it is up to the rest of the group to help them see the error of thier ways….politely…(my spellings not improved any this season)lol.[/quote]
    You are right I apologize to ANYONE who was ofended by my comments. This is by far my favorite LOST spot and will watch what I say from now on. Once again my deepest apologies.[/quote]
    ++++++
    Thank you.[/quote]
    ///////////////////////
    respect to you.

  470. gmta leah says:

    hello! i ve read every post to date and it looks to me ,like your all going round in circles at every twenty or thirty posts . You all start on a topic ,discuss it thoroughly ,then it only takes one person, to says one thing, a key word…
    And the next post is about a subject covered thirty posts ago!..then back to the start again.
    ..Hey !..thats sort of just whats happening in the current storyline of lost??…dont you think?
    One more point , Who is to say you cant change the past ?
    That rule only applies if your watching a persons life from the outside of the fishbowl.or from the future when you Know the outcome.
    …But if your on the inside ,living your life and you went back to an earlier time ,…lets say,And made a life changing descision….. only had one child instead of two!for instance
    …Who would know what the consequences would be?.. Certainly not you. there is only one future as far as your concerned , and thats the day after tomorrow…??
    If you follow me!?

  471. gmta leah says:

    desmond is different because he can go backwaeds and forwards in time . i think out of all these encounters only one party is moving in time, at any one time. i.e On the french raft, jin is moving[variable] danielle was [fixed].
    at the birth of aaron in the forest
    sawyer was moving [v]clair and kate were [f].
    at the hatch front door
    desmond was fixed and dan was variable

  472. SydLost says:

    [quote comment="313607"]I also believe that Daniel is wrong in his prediction that you cannot change the past. We all just assume he is right but he is obviously not Mr. Know everything about time travel as evidenced by his frying Teresa’s brain. Maybe things can be corrected if done at the right time.[/quote]
    —————————–

    Despite what Daniel, Hawkins AND the writers tell us?

  473. Miraks says:

    [quote comment="313612"]

    I’m also having a hard time believing that everything that changes is photoshopped into your memory at that point…That might work for Desmond since he’s “special” or because he’s Daniel’s constant, but if memories only pop into your head after the fact how did Richard know that Locke would be shot by the plane and that he needed to bring a first-aid kit? Going by the logic that memories “pop” or “photoshop” into your head, Richard wouldn’t have known that Locke talked to him in ’52 until after that happened…I think the show loses a huge thrill factor if only memories pop into people’s heads and you can’t influence anything in the actual time travel…We’ve only seen this happened with Desmond and until I see it happen with someone else I don’t think that’s the key…I think that Danielle always met Jin, like I think Richard always met Locke in ’52…Time travel makes time travel…[/quote]

    Can you think of another example besides Richard? I don’t think these rules really apply to him because he has stopped aging- for whatever reason. Since time does not move for him in a linear fashion anymore but is stationary (kind of like he is living one endless loong day) a memory created at any time would be there. Meaning, since 1954 and 2004 are essentialy happening in the same day for him, the “photoshopped” memory is there.

  474. LizS says:

    RE: More Time Travel Theories than you can Shake a Fire-Tipped Spear At–

    Well, that tears it. I’m going to say it. We obviously need a Time Lord to figure this out. Where’s the Doctor when you need him?

    Hmm. Maybe he’s consulting for the show already?

    That’s my favorite theory so far ; )

    You guys are great–ready for the next installment!

  475. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="313632"][quote comment="313607"]I also believe that Daniel is wrong in his prediction that you cannot change the past. We all just assume he is right but he is obviously not Mr. Know everything about time travel as evidenced by his frying Teresa’s brain. Maybe things can be corrected if done at the right time.[/quote]
    —————————–

    Despite what Daniel, Hawkins AND the writers tell us?[/quote]
    +++++++++++++
    I think folks are missing the point about what Dan and Hawking said. You CAN change the past (see Desmond saving Charlie over and over), but it WILL be course corrected. That’s what they mean by can’t. Also D & C stated that they weren’t go to allow for several time lines. In other words, you can change the outcome of the future and have multiple futures. I don’t think they wanted us to get hung up on CAN’T as though it’s impossible.

  476. Hammer says:

    Ooops, important typo…

    In other words, you can’t (instead of you can) change the outcome of the future and have multiple futures. I don’t think they wanted us to get hung up on CAN’T as though it’s impossible.

  477. Rita says:

    [quote comment="313709"]Ooops, important typo…

    In other words, you can’t (instead of you can) change the outcome of the future and have multiple futures. I don’t think they wanted us to get hung up on CAN’T as though it’s impossible.[/quote]
    Agreed.

  478. LizS says:

    [quote comment="313709"]Ooops, important typo…

    In other words, you can’t (instead of you can) change the outcome of the future and have multiple futures. I don’t think they wanted us to get hung up on CAN’T as though it’s impossible.[/quote]
    Can you say SLIDERS?

    Well, if the show is true to itself and to the premise of immutability of the past, you’re always going to have a few conundrums. Especially if there’s FREE WILL.

    You can only act based on information you’re given, and your understanding of the world, as is true for all of us. But since time/space has some holes in it, or loops in it, and time travel is POSSIBLE in Lost-land, it still has it’s own logic. Again, the idea of the 2 time lines, the general march of time from past to present to future, and your personal timeline of birth-life-death-ghostontheIslandorspiritthatappearsto Hurley.

    You can pass up or down the main line (and so far, the island hoppers are only hopping up and down the past) and do things in the past, on your personal timeline progression, but still the actions happened in the past. It doesn’t mean you can’t act, just that you can’t change the facts of the past. If, say, you wanted to save Boone, or, sniff, Charlie, you can’t. But if, say, you meet and talk to people like Alpert, you can, because that’s in your personal range of action.

    You now become part of the facts of the past, & since you didn’t know the facts for that action, it’s not like you messed anything up, in fact, you’re probably acting in line with FATE.

    And the heck with Free Will, anyway. But that’s another discussion.

  479. duke says:

    I never said you couldn’t change the future but there are thousands of ways to get to it. Check out ew.com for some really cool Lost info. Doc Jensen does some amazing recaps and insights.

  480. Skippy says:

    I haven’t seen ‘316’ yet, nor have I read comments for ‘This Place’ nor ‘316’. Just wanted to post here since it seems relevant: the picture of Aaron posted for ‘The Little Prince’ episode bears an uncanny resemblance to Charles Widmore, imo. Casting for Lost has been superb w/ regards to finding actors w/ strongly similar features, i.e. Locke and teenaged Locke (S4, E11 ‘Cabin Fever’). No theory, just an observation.
    Love your discussions!

  481. Dina Shahin says:

    I like the plot..

  482. AB says:

    Missed the last couple of episodes, but was just told about the Little Prince reference. WHere did they reference in the show. ALso, did you ever hear about ‘tabula rasa’ – John Locke the philosopher?

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