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		<title>By: roses12</title>
		<link>http://lostblog.net/2009/02/18/316/#comment-27598</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 22:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[didnt mean to post half way through a thought, trying to establish allegiances

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>didnt mean to post half way through a thought, trying to establish allegiances</p>
<p>sorry</p>
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		<title>By: roses12</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 20:19:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[quote comment=&quot;315772&quot;]One issue about the time travel thing that has always bothered me - traveling to the future.  Can they do that?  When Sawyer et al were in the dug out canoes with the Ajira Airways water bottles, it seemed that they were in the future.  Here&#039;s my problem: When little Rat Eloise traveled to the future and learned the maze (consciouness travel), when she came back to the current time, already knowing the maze (having learned it in the future) she DIED of TD.  Therefore, she never was alive in the part of the future where she had learned the maze - she was dead so Dan never actually taught her.  Her future where she learned the maze was therefore an alternate timeline from the one that actually happened.  I know D&amp;C have said this would not be about alternate timelines for us to keep track of, but as they have shown, there exists the possibility of alternates all the same.  Eloise changed the future by dying in the past (so to speak) and others may be able to do the same, with or without course correction.[/quote]
yeh but as memory serves eliose didnt die instantly so he may have had time to teach her of screen.   need to check on lostepedia to be sure.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote comment="315772"]One issue about the time travel thing that has always bothered me &#8211; traveling to the future.  Can they do that?  When Sawyer et al were in the dug out canoes with the Ajira Airways water bottles, it seemed that they were in the future.  Here&#8217;s my problem: When little Rat Eloise traveled to the future and learned the maze (consciouness travel), when she came back to the current time, already knowing the maze (having learned it in the future) she DIED of TD.  Therefore, she never was alive in the part of the future where she had learned the maze &#8211; she was dead so Dan never actually taught her.  Her future where she learned the maze was therefore an alternate timeline from the one that actually happened.  I know D&amp;C have said this would not be about alternate timelines for us to keep track of, but as they have shown, there exists the possibility of alternates all the same.  Eloise changed the future by dying in the past (so to speak) and others may be able to do the same, with or without course correction.[/quote]<br />
yeh but as memory serves eliose didnt die instantly so he may have had time to teach her of screen.   need to check on lostepedia to be sure.</p>
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		<title>By: roses12</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 19:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[quote comment=&quot;315528&quot;]Been thinking about why Ben was reading &quot;Ulysses&quot; and the painting of St. Thomas in the church. Here is my humble opinion.

The story of Thomas is something we&#039;ll see in the future. Thomas did not believe that Jesus had risen from the dead, even when he saw him with his own eyes. He had to touch the wounds of Christ before his faith was restored. We&#039;ll see a parallel to this when Locke rises from the dead. Some (Jack?) will not believe, until they are convinced by some dramatic means. This scene also goes with my previous theory that Jack is turning into the &quot;man of faith&quot;, but is not there yet.

Ben knew the story of St. Thomas, a big story especially for catholics. But, on the plane he reads James Joyce, an author that was raised as a catholic, but lost his faith in the church and turned his back on it. Maybe a hint that Ben is at odds with the island now because he has lost his faith in it? (because of his tumor? because Alex got killed?)[/quote]
 thats amazing I love the connection you made, ties in nicely with the is Ben good/evil paradox.  Maybe he started off spiritually connected with the island but was coherced into doing evil in its name (eg. the purge, killings...) and has lost his faith and that is why the island has displaced him with Locke.  He seems increasingly sidelined in power terms, though strangely unfazed by it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote comment="315528"]Been thinking about why Ben was reading &#8220;Ulysses&#8221; and the painting of St. Thomas in the church. Here is my humble opinion.</p>
<p>The story of Thomas is something we&#8217;ll see in the future. Thomas did not believe that Jesus had risen from the dead, even when he saw him with his own eyes. He had to touch the wounds of Christ before his faith was restored. We&#8217;ll see a parallel to this when Locke rises from the dead. Some (Jack?) will not believe, until they are convinced by some dramatic means. This scene also goes with my previous theory that Jack is turning into the &#8220;man of faith&#8221;, but is not there yet.</p>
<p>Ben knew the story of St. Thomas, a big story especially for catholics. But, on the plane he reads James Joyce, an author that was raised as a catholic, but lost his faith in the church and turned his back on it. Maybe a hint that Ben is at odds with the island now because he has lost his faith in it? (because of his tumor? because Alex got killed?)[/quote]<br />
 thats amazing I love the connection you made, ties in nicely with the is Ben good/evil paradox.  Maybe he started off spiritually connected with the island but was coherced into doing evil in its name (eg. the purge, killings&#8230;) and has lost his faith and that is why the island has displaced him with Locke.  He seems increasingly sidelined in power terms, though strangely unfazed by it.</p>
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		<title>By: lostmama</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 01:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[forgive me if it&#039;s been said or disscussed before but what do you think Ben was doing when Jack called him and he looked all beaten up. bloddy? I was htinking maybe he followed Desmond and tried to get to Penny since he swore to Widmore he&#039;d get him back through her. Again sorry I haven&#039;t been able to read all the post so don&#039;t know if it&#039;s been mentioned before.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>forgive me if it&#8217;s been said or disscussed before but what do you think Ben was doing when Jack called him and he looked all beaten up. bloddy? I was htinking maybe he followed Desmond and tried to get to Penny since he swore to Widmore he&#8217;d get him back through her. Again sorry I haven&#8217;t been able to read all the post so don&#8217;t know if it&#8217;s been mentioned before.</p>
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		<title>By: Flyboy</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 21:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My theory would also explain Locke&#039;s legs miraculously healing and then constantly getting re-injured.  If they crashed in time prior to the time when Locke&#039;s legs were injured in the fall from the window, then his legs would be alright because it didn&#039;t happen yet.  Then the universe would find different ways to re-injure Locke&#039;s legs through some sort of hawking &#039;course correction&#039; event.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My theory would also explain Locke&#8217;s legs miraculously healing and then constantly getting re-injured.  If they crashed in time prior to the time when Locke&#8217;s legs were injured in the fall from the window, then his legs would be alright because it didn&#8217;t happen yet.  Then the universe would find different ways to re-injure Locke&#8217;s legs through some sort of hawking &#8216;course correction&#8217; event.</p>
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		<title>By: Flyboy</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 21:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here is another aspect of my theory...

Let&#039;s say you die in 2004 but then time travel to 2000.  In 2000, your 2004 body could still appear alive and could interact with anyone that did not know you died in 2004.  But people that knew you died in 2004 could not see or interact with your 2004 body in the year 2000.  The people that knew you died in 2004 could only see and interact with your 2000 body in the year 2000.  That also means that people in 2000 who didn&#039;t know you died could possibly see both your 2000 body and your 2004 body.

Hence if Charlie died post 2004 let&#039;s say 2008 maybe for example then Hurley could still interact with 2004 Charlie but not post 2008 Charlie.

If I am confusing you guys I would be glad to explain more, because it is clear to me...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is another aspect of my theory&#8230;</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s say you die in 2004 but then time travel to 2000.  In 2000, your 2004 body could still appear alive and could interact with anyone that did not know you died in 2004.  But people that knew you died in 2004 could not see or interact with your 2004 body in the year 2000.  The people that knew you died in 2004 could only see and interact with your 2000 body in the year 2000.  That also means that people in 2000 who didn&#8217;t know you died could possibly see both your 2000 body and your 2004 body.</p>
<p>Hence if Charlie died post 2004 let&#8217;s say 2008 maybe for example then Hurley could still interact with 2004 Charlie but not post 2008 Charlie.</p>
<p>If I am confusing you guys I would be glad to explain more, because it is clear to me&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: londonboy</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 21:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi gmta leah, thanks for the timeline, that&#039;s very helpful. I guess as we don&#039;t know what Hawkings idea of a &#039;short time&#039; is, we can&#039;t really tell how often the island moves normally.

If my theory that the time flashes were a result of the Losties being subject to the island&#039;s natural movements is correct, that would suggest it moves quite regularly but hapharzardly. And I&#039;m presuming that the window means that&#039;s where the island is at that particular time, rather than just a portal to where it actually is.

Head scratching time again...

As for your earlier comment re reading these boards before you see the ep, I used to do that several years ago with another show and it ended up that actually watching the show was almost an afterthought and became less fun.

I&#039;ve watched Lost from the very beginning but it was episode four, Walkabout, that just floored me. That revelation with Locke in the wheelchair pretty much ensured I&#039;d watch the rest of the series, it was that good.

I&#039;d hate that to have been spoiled, so while I miss this site and all the debate for half the week and then have to play catchup, it&#039;s worth it for me.

But that&#039;s just me, you plough your own furrow just fine :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi gmta leah, thanks for the timeline, that&#8217;s very helpful. I guess as we don&#8217;t know what Hawkings idea of a &#8216;short time&#8217; is, we can&#8217;t really tell how often the island moves normally.</p>
<p>If my theory that the time flashes were a result of the Losties being subject to the island&#8217;s natural movements is correct, that would suggest it moves quite regularly but hapharzardly. And I&#8217;m presuming that the window means that&#8217;s where the island is at that particular time, rather than just a portal to where it actually is.</p>
<p>Head scratching time again&#8230;</p>
<p>As for your earlier comment re reading these boards before you see the ep, I used to do that several years ago with another show and it ended up that actually watching the show was almost an afterthought and became less fun.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve watched Lost from the very beginning but it was episode four, Walkabout, that just floored me. That revelation with Locke in the wheelchair pretty much ensured I&#8217;d watch the rest of the series, it was that good.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d hate that to have been spoiled, so while I miss this site and all the debate for half the week and then have to play catchup, it&#8217;s worth it for me.</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s just me, you plough your own furrow just fine <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Flyboy</title>
		<link>http://lostblog.net/2009/02/18/316/#comment-27591</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 21:06:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another thing.... When Jack first appeared in the pilot episode he didn&#039;t remember the crash but Kate did.  This time Jack, Hurley, and Kate don&#039;t remember the crash.  Could it be that Jack didn&#039;t remember the crash because he died in that crash but when the scene plays out on the island they have already time traveled back in time to a time prior to the crash.  Could that mean that since Hurley and Kate also don&#039;t remember the crash this time they really died during the flight 316 crash.  They still appear alive to each other because they went back in time to the 70&#039;s (guessing that by Jin&#039;s darma clothes and the van) which is a time between their birth and their death so during that period they are still alive.  When they reach the time that 316 crashed then they will no longer appear alive.  Maybe through some sort of &#039;universe course correction&#039; death that hawking was talking about.

Maybe Desmond&#039;s flashes of Charlie dying were not seeing the future so much as remembering the past?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another thing&#8230;. When Jack first appeared in the pilot episode he didn&#8217;t remember the crash but Kate did.  This time Jack, Hurley, and Kate don&#8217;t remember the crash.  Could it be that Jack didn&#8217;t remember the crash because he died in that crash but when the scene plays out on the island they have already time traveled back in time to a time prior to the crash.  Could that mean that since Hurley and Kate also don&#8217;t remember the crash this time they really died during the flight 316 crash.  They still appear alive to each other because they went back in time to the 70&#8242;s (guessing that by Jin&#8217;s darma clothes and the van) which is a time between their birth and their death so during that period they are still alive.  When they reach the time that 316 crashed then they will no longer appear alive.  Maybe through some sort of &#8216;universe course correction&#8217; death that hawking was talking about.</p>
<p>Maybe Desmond&#8217;s flashes of Charlie dying were not seeing the future so much as remembering the past?</p>
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		<title>By: Flyboy</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 20:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[First time posting....  If I am repeating something that has already been discussed I apologize.

No one thus far has pointed out that Ms. Hawking told them that the window will close in &#039;36 HOURS&#039;, yet the text when the scene opens says &#039;46 HOURS EARLIER&#039;.  In other words the losties flashed/crashed on the island 10 hours after Ms. Hawking told them their window will close.

I think this discrepancy along with the one that Daniel tested on the island with the rocket and the clock are important clues to a bigger picture that we are missing.

Another time discrepancy is how long the losties spent on the island and how much time passed in the real world.

I am going to try to see if their is any math similarities between these different events that can be gleaned.

Could it be that there are multiple timelines and the people that are dead (Chrisitian Shepard, Charlie, Locke, etc.) are in fact dead but they can still travel and appear in times that they were alive before.  In other words if someone died in 2001 like Christian Shepard for example, could he still appear alive to people in times between the date he was born and the date in 2001 when he died.  When 815 crashed it could have landed on the island in a time that was pre 2001 hence Christian Shepard would still appear alive.  However, when the island time reaches 2001 after the date that he died he would no longer appear alive.  This may explain Jacob.  Jacob could be the entity that uses proxies (dead bodies from a future time) to speak through.  This may also explain what is happening with Locke and why Hurley could see Charlie.  Charlie could have died post 2004 on the island (when he drowned) if the island was constantly moving through time hence back in the real world during 2004 Hurley could still see him.  And so could other people due to the fact that the other guy at the psych ward also saw Charlie, not just Hurley.

Or maybe I am way off.... what do you guys think?

Also, like Charlotte not remembering that she was on the island prior to the moment where she died, could it be that Charlie programmed the Beach Boys song code for the looking glass jammer and just didn&#039;t remember it prior to that moment.  Could this type of thing be happening alot more on this show.  Could this be part of the main theme of the show?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First time posting&#8230;.  If I am repeating something that has already been discussed I apologize.</p>
<p>No one thus far has pointed out that Ms. Hawking told them that the window will close in &#8217;36 HOURS&#8217;, yet the text when the scene opens says &#8217;46 HOURS EARLIER&#8217;.  In other words the losties flashed/crashed on the island 10 hours after Ms. Hawking told them their window will close.</p>
<p>I think this discrepancy along with the one that Daniel tested on the island with the rocket and the clock are important clues to a bigger picture that we are missing.</p>
<p>Another time discrepancy is how long the losties spent on the island and how much time passed in the real world.</p>
<p>I am going to try to see if their is any math similarities between these different events that can be gleaned.</p>
<p>Could it be that there are multiple timelines and the people that are dead (Chrisitian Shepard, Charlie, Locke, etc.) are in fact dead but they can still travel and appear in times that they were alive before.  In other words if someone died in 2001 like Christian Shepard for example, could he still appear alive to people in times between the date he was born and the date in 2001 when he died.  When 815 crashed it could have landed on the island in a time that was pre 2001 hence Christian Shepard would still appear alive.  However, when the island time reaches 2001 after the date that he died he would no longer appear alive.  This may explain Jacob.  Jacob could be the entity that uses proxies (dead bodies from a future time) to speak through.  This may also explain what is happening with Locke and why Hurley could see Charlie.  Charlie could have died post 2004 on the island (when he drowned) if the island was constantly moving through time hence back in the real world during 2004 Hurley could still see him.  And so could other people due to the fact that the other guy at the psych ward also saw Charlie, not just Hurley.</p>
<p>Or maybe I am way off&#8230;. what do you guys think?</p>
<p>Also, like Charlotte not remembering that she was on the island prior to the moment where she died, could it be that Charlie programmed the Beach Boys song code for the looking glass jammer and just didn&#8217;t remember it prior to that moment.  Could this type of thing be happening alot more on this show.  Could this be part of the main theme of the show?</p>
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		<title>By: ShelbyDee</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 18:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[quote comment=&quot;316079&quot;]p.s I think the woman sayid is hancuffed to ,on the flight is naomis sister.she s the only other mixed race female been mentioned in previous episodes.
Its obvious sayed would have to be forced on to the plane ,cosidering he had no intention of going back.Hence the handcuffs.[/quote]
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Didn&#039;t Miles say to Daniel/Kate/Jack that Naomi didn&#039;t have a sister? that the message to her &quot;sister&quot; was really code for being in trouble?

I think Ben called the feds and notified them of Sayid&#039;s presence and connection to the Seychelles hit. After all, Ben ordered the hit so he could divulge details. Sayid being on the flight to Guam is en route to Seychelles - as some other brilliant Lost fan proposed. (Or the woman is posing as a fed and is really an Off Island Other working with Ben. There is ALWAYS more than one possibility which elates me and drives me nuts at the same time!)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote comment="316079"]p.s I think the woman sayid is hancuffed to ,on the flight is naomis sister.she s the only other mixed race female been mentioned in previous episodes.<br />
Its obvious sayed would have to be forced on to the plane ,cosidering he had no intention of going back.Hence the handcuffs.[/quote]<br />
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<p>Didn&#8217;t Miles say to Daniel/Kate/Jack that Naomi didn&#8217;t have a sister? that the message to her &#8220;sister&#8221; was really code for being in trouble?</p>
<p>I think Ben called the feds and notified them of Sayid&#8217;s presence and connection to the Seychelles hit. After all, Ben ordered the hit so he could divulge details. Sayid being on the flight to Guam is en route to Seychelles &#8211; as some other brilliant Lost fan proposed. (Or the woman is posing as a fed and is really an Off Island Other working with Ben. There is ALWAYS more than one possibility which elates me and drives me nuts at the same time!)</p>
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