Namaste

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Back, after our one week hiatus, and what should prove to be a rather interesting episode given where we left off at the conclusion of LaFleur. Is three years really enough time to get over someone – Sawyer may live to eat those words yet! Tonight’s episode will, rather obviously, focus on the DHARMA Initiative and perhaps how the Oceanic Six (well Three anyway) become integrated into the commune. I am curious how much of the last three years in DHARMA land we’ll get back story for LaFleur and the rest of the gang…

ABC’s Official Show Description

Spoiler Alert

“Sawyer is forced to perpetuate his lie when some old friends drop in unannounced.”

There was an interesting comment made by actress Elizabeth Mitchell (Juliet) in an interview with TVGuide.com this week – to paraphrase she said ““LaFleur” was one of those little “eyes of the storm.” You’ve been storming, you’ve been storming, you get to the middle and you’re like, “Oh, it’s not so bad. It’s kind of nice here! I’ll wait around here and take a deep breath.” And then you start right in. It should be pretty exciting.” The last half of this season should be remarkable – tonight’s in particular is rumored to be Ben-centric, and hopefully we’ll learn more about his past.

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607 Responses to Namaste

  1. lost4ever says:

    Seeing the picture of Ben above reminds me that I am wanting to see more of his youth on the island. At least some of the 18 ( not fact ) or so years between Hippie Alpert’s appearance and the purge.

  2. namanasty says:

    FIRST!

    but seriouysly can’t wait! I say we finally learn why Ben always seems to know everything -especially regarding or beloved losties. Reoccurring time cycles anyone?

  3. Circus Mom says:

    i need answers
    Comment 1043, posted 55 minutes ago – Quote and reply
    youtube.com/watch?v=iWW9vw_Zmm…

    here is a clip giving us/me some closure on Vincent for the time being..in my opinion the dog died in the crash..and the island needs him or has work for him to do…as far as rose and bernard are concerned…I believe them to be in the temple or at least with richard and the others…we will see widmores exile from the island sooner than we think..(next few episodes) also..as for tonights episode it wont give us many answers at all…

    +++++++++++
    Brought this over from the last thread.

    If Widmore is exhiled from the others while Sawyer et-al are in Dharma it would explain why he knows who has to be on the plane and later on the freighter.

  4. i need answers says:

    anyone think sawyers personality changes could play a big role in something…also…since Horace had that baby..the boy…With a woman who SHOULD/WOULD have died if it werent for Sawyer interfering…any thoughts on who the child is?…its gotta be a big name…its gotta be someone “special”….Jacob?…that could be the reason for Horace building the Cabin for him…for some reason since he was never soposed to be born …to course correct…maybe smokey comes and grabs him but he can still comunicate with certain people…just thoughts…please…add/comment

  5. LostGrrl says:

    Looking at that picture of Ben… doesn’t it seem like he always knows your deepest secret, and he delights in knowing.

  6. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="322044"]Looking at that picture of Ben… doesn’t it seem like he always knows your deepest secret, and he delights in knowing.[/quote]
    +++++++++++
    That’s because he does!!! (Whisperers….)

  7. i need answers says:

    nobody like my ideas.. :(..hammer…gimme somethin

  8. wingman says:

    LOL, that 1 week break was pretty fun for me…I really got to interact and get deep with a few of my theories…But unfortunately it’s back to lurking for me, but I’ll try to post atleast by Saturday since the hardcores seem to still be willing to engage a conversation by then….Can’t wait for this one, Ben-centric eps are like God-smiling on us…Til Saturday I guess, Namestse (Ofcourse I’ll lurk and quickly respond to anyone who wants to say anything to me^^)…

  9. Rita says:

    [quote comment="322045"][quote comment="322044"]Looking at that picture of Ben… doesn’t it seem like he always knows your deepest secret, and he delights in knowing.[/quote]
    +++++++++++
    That’s because he does!!! (Whisperers….)[/quote]
    ______________________________
    Yes – possibly some “whispers” answers coming soon Hammer! Maybe we will find out some serious inner Dharma workings. Should be pretty intense I’m thinking. Finally, a Dharma episode!

  10. Rita says:

    [quote comment="322051"]LOL, that 1 week break was pretty fun for me…I really got to interact and get deep with a few of my theories…But unfortunately it’s back to lurking for me, but I’ll try to post atleast by Saturday since the hardcores seem to still be willing to engage a conversation by then….Can’t wait for this one, Ben-centric eps are like God-smiling on us…Til Saturday I guess, Namestse (Ofcourse I’ll lurk and quickly respond to anyone who wants to say anything to me^^)…[/quote]
    ________________________________
    Don’t just lurk wingman – join in anytime! Looking forward to hearing more of your theories.

  11. lola says:

    anticipation-is making me wait!

  12. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="322041"]anyone think sawyers personality changes could play a big role in something…also…since Horace had that baby..the boy…With a woman who SHOULD/WOULD have died if it werent for Sawyer interfering…any thoughts on who the child is?…its gotta be a big name…its gotta be someone “special”….Jacob?…that could be the reason for Horace building the Cabin for him…for some reason since he was never soposed to be born …to course correct…maybe smokey comes and grabs him but he can still comunicate with certain people…just thoughts…please…add/comment[/quote]
    +++++++++++++
    Okay, since you asked me specifically:

    Explain your Sawyer question better, please.

    IMO, the baby boy was just the writer’s way of developing the relationship between Juliette and Sawyer…and to show us that babies were not ALWAYS a problem. (It’s the reason why I don’t think the statue is Tarawet). So, I don’t think the baby is ‘special’ and I doubt that Jacob was born in the 70’s since I believe that he is a long standing leader.

  13. wingman says:

    [quote comment="322053"][quote comment="322051"]LOL, that 1 week break was pretty fun for me…I really got to interact and get deep with a few of my theories…But unfortunately it’s back to lurking for me, but I’ll try to post atleast by Saturday since the hardcores seem to still be willing to engage a conversation by then….Can’t wait for this one, Ben-centric eps are like God-smiling on us…Til Saturday I guess, Namestse (Ofcourse I’ll lurk and quickly respond to anyone who wants to say anything to me^^)…[/quote]
    ________________________________
    Don’t just lurk wingman – join in anytime! Looking forward to hearing more of your theories.[/quote]
    =========================

    Well, like I said, since I generally don’t watch eps til Friday nights, I’ll have a little more incentive Saturday Morning or sometime that day to post my thoughts…But I love lurking too, it makes that Monday workday go by as I read 200-300 posts on the week that was…

  14. jaime says:

    [quote comment="322056"][quote comment="322041"]anyone think sawyers personality changes could play a big role in something…also…since Horace had that baby..the boy…With a woman who SHOULD/WOULD have died if it werent for Sawyer interfering…any thoughts on who the child is?…its gotta be a big name…its gotta be someone “special”….Jacob?…that could be the reason for Horace building the Cabin for him…for some reason since he was never soposed to be born …to course correct…maybe smokey comes and grabs him but he can still comunicate with certain people…just thoughts…please…add/comment[/quote]
    +++++++++++++
    Okay, since you asked me specifically:

    Explain your Sawyer question better, please.

    IMO, the baby boy was just the writer’s way of developing the relationship between Juliette and Sawyer…and to show us that babies were not ALWAYS a problem. (It’s the reason why I don’t think the statue is Tarawet). So, I don’t think the baby is ‘special’ and I doubt that Jacob was born in the 70’s since I believe that he is a long standing leader.[/quote]
    **********************************************

    I’m sticking with my original theory that the boy will be Ethan. Come on, i want to be right about something :)

    I’m not to keen on the above Ben pic. Something is off about it

  15. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="322056"]So, I don’t think the baby is ‘special’ and I doubt that Jacob was born in the 70’s since I believe that he is a long standing leader.[/quote]

    I agree. In 1954, Locke told Alpert that “Jacob sent [him].” Alpert didn’t reply, neither confirming nor denying the existence of Jacob in that time frame. However, if Jacob were not a “force” during that time, it is more likely that Alpert would have said “Jacob WHO?”

    I am still stinging over not getting the DWY email a couple of people are talking about. It is really hard not to pout, but at least I have a new episode to console me!

    : ) P

  16. i need answers says:

    Jacob cant just be a random though…hes gotta be a twist…in theory..Jacob was probably alive sometime around 2007…goes back in time to somepoint unknown…and dies…since he was once alive all the way until 2007 he wouldnt be totally dead…he would be like the whispers right?…

  17. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="322071"]Jacob cant just be a random though…hes gotta be a twist…in theory..Jacob was probably alive sometime around 2007…goes back in time to somepoint unknown…and dies…since he was once alive all the way until 2007 he wouldnt be totally dead…he would be like the whispers right?…[/quote]
    ++++++++++++
    I also think Jacob will be a twist. He fits the Whisperer bill too. Just don’t think he is the baby boy.

    Jaime’s idea of Ethan is a better fit.

  18. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="322066"]

    I’m sticking with my original theory that the boy will be Ethan. Come on, i want to be right about something :)

    I’m not to keen on the above Ben pic. Something is off about it[/quote]
    I like the idea of Ethan being the boy ever since shellonious funk mentioned it in the last thread. I am what it will prove though. On one hand ( or toe if you prefer ), the baby was destined to be born, with or without the intervention. On the other hand, does that mean that they ALWAYS intervened? I am puzzled already.

  19. i need answers says:

    i guess technically there is no “intervening” ever…right…like Daniel says “whatever we choose to do is what we already chose to do”

  20. lola says:

    [quote comment="322080"][quote comment="322066"]

    I’m sticking with my original theory that the boy will be Ethan. Come on, i want to be right about something :)

    I’m not to keen on the above Ben pic. Something is off about it[/quote]
    I like the idea of Ethan being the boy ever since shellonious funk mentioned it in the last thread. I am what it will prove though. ___________________________________________

    yeah, i agree, if it is Ethan ,it’s pretty anti-climatic cuz so what? other than how did he go from the dharma clan to the others.

  21. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="322080"][quote comment="322066"]

    I’m sticking with my original theory that the boy will be Ethan. Come on, i want to be right about something :)

    I’m not to keen on the above Ben pic. Something is off about it[/quote]
    I like the idea of Ethan being the boy ever since shellonious funk mentioned it in the last thread. I am what it will prove though. On one hand ( or toe if you prefer ), the baby was destined to be born, with or without the intervention. On the other hand, does that mean that they ALWAYS intervened? I am puzzled already.[/quote]
    ++++++++++++++
    This is probabally overdoing it, but I think that when Sawyer intervened for Olivia and Dan said WHH, it is because it was about to happen in 74 and he is from present day. He was confirming that Sawyer should do it, because it happened. I think that because Horace got drunk and couldn’t help Olivia, Juliette is the course correction because the baby was supposed to survive. Whether or not that fits with Ethan being the baby…I don’t know.

  22. lola says:

    [quote comment="322083"][quote comment="322080"][quote comment="322066"]

    I’m sticking with my original theory that the boy will be Ethan. Come on, i want to be right about something :)

    I’m not to keen on the above Ben pic. Something is off about it[/quote]
    I like the idea of Ethan being the boy ever since shellonious funk mentioned it in the last thread. I am what it will prove though. ___________________________________________

    yeah, i agree, if it is Ethan ,it’s pretty anti-climatic cuz so what? other than how did he go from the dharma clan to the others.[/quote]
    ——————–anti-climaCtic

  23. jaime says:

    [quote comment="322083"][quote comment="322080"][quote comment="322066"]

    I’m sticking with my original theory that the boy will be Ethan. Come on, i want to be right about something :)

    I’m not to keen on the above Ben pic. Something is off about it[/quote]
    I like the idea of Ethan being the boy ever since shellonious funk mentioned it in the last thread. I am what it will prove though. ___________________________________________

    yeah, i agree, if it is Ethan ,it’s pretty anti-climatic cuz so what? other than how did he go from the dharma clan to the others.[/quote]
    *************************************************

    Right, What do we know about him

    1. Surgeon

    2. Employee of Mittelos Bioscience

    3. Joined Richard Alpert in convincing Juliet to join their organization (off island)

    4. Ethan worked with Goodwin in the Tempest

    5. His wife and baby died from “complications” on the island

    6. Ethan took Claire the Staff to perform a Cesarean section in order to take Aaron

    7. Killed by Charlie then his body was buried by Hurley and Charlie

    nothing really stands out as significant

  24. RGS says:

    [quote comment="322083"][quote comment="322080"][quote comment="322066"]

    I’m sticking with my original theory that the boy will be Ethan. Come on, i want to be right about something :)

    I’m not to keen on the above Ben pic. Something is off about it[/quote]
    I like the idea of Ethan being the boy ever since shellonious funk mentioned it in the last thread. I am what it will prove though. ___________________________________________

    yeah, i agree, if it is Ethan ,it’s pretty anti-climatic cuz so what? other than how did he go from the dharma clan to the others.[/quote]

    He may have gotten abducted since he was born ON the island. If anything, I think that factor alone will make the baby special, which is why I agreed with notion that it could be Desmond.

    I agree that if it is Ethan Rom, then it just adds more evidence that they’ve always “intervened.”

  25. RGS says:

    [quote comment="322084"]
    This is probabally overdoing it, but I think that when Sawyer intervened for Olivia and Dan said WHH, it is because it was about to happen in 74 and he is from present day. He was confirming that Sawyer should do it, because it happened. I think that because Horace got drunk and couldn’t help Olivia, Juliette is the course correction because the baby was supposed to survive. Whether or not that fits with Ethan being the baby…I don’t know.[/quote]

    What do you mean Horace couldn’t help Olivia? Are you thinking he was suppose to help Olivia deliver the baby on the island? It seems that his passing out is a separate issue from her unexpectedly going into labor.

  26. wingman says:

    I think it will be equally lame if Jacob is a character that has yet to appear on the show…God knows who “Jacob” really is, but if I had a gun to my head with Mikail’s finger on the trigger, I’d have to say someway, somehow, it’s Jack…

    As for how Richard knows about Jacob in 1954…If he is a future time-traveler (as in the theory he won’t age until he catches up with his future self who first time traveled), then he’d most likely know Jacob from the future…However the way he interacts with Time-travel Locke would seem to disprove this unless he was purposely acting like the future stuff Locke was telling him was crazy…Oh snap, I think just disproved the theory that Richard is from the future! (Realtime realization!!)

  27. duke says:

    My guess for the baby is probably Desmond. But I am thinking that we have been thrown a curveball and am hoping it will turn out to be Daniel. I still am not convinced that Hawking is his mom, his biological mother anyway. Just a thought probably because I just WANT to be right about the Faraday/Hawking thing. We may find out tonight.

  28. hank vega says:

    If Ethan is the baby, he was 27 years old when the Oceanic crash took place. He looked a lot older than that. Also, to be a surgeon you have to be in college four years, then 5 or 7 years of MD.

  29. jaime says:

    [quote comment="322095"][quote comment="322084"]
    This is probabally overdoing it, but I think that when Sawyer intervened for Olivia and Dan said WHH, it is because it was about to happen in 74 and he is from present day. He was confirming that Sawyer should do it, because it happened. I think that because Horace got drunk and couldn’t help Olivia, Juliette is the course correction because the baby was supposed to survive. Whether or not that fits with Ethan being the baby…I don’t know.[/quote]

    What do you mean Horace couldn’t help Olivia? Are you thinking he was suppose to help Olivia deliver the baby on the island? It seems that his passing out is a separate issue from her unexpectedly going into labor.[/quote]
    ***********************
    I think Hammer meant Amy

  30. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="322090"] which is why I agreed with notion that it could be Desmond.

    I agree that if it is Ethan Rom, then it just adds more evidence that they’ve always “intervened.”[/quote]
    1995, Desmond was dated a woman named Ruth for 6 years and called of the wedding only a week before it.

    I can see the theory of them ALWAYS intervening, but I also like the course-correction theory.

  31. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="322095"][quote comment="322084"]
    This is probabally overdoing it, but I think that when Sawyer intervened for Olivia and Dan said WHH, it is because it was about to happen in 74 and he is from present day. He was confirming that Sawyer should do it, because it happened. I think that because Horace got drunk and couldn’t help Olivia, Juliette is the course correction because the baby was supposed to survive. Whether or not that fits with Ethan being the baby…I don’t know.[/quote]

    What do you mean Horace couldn’t help Olivia? Are you thinking he was suppose to help Olivia deliver the baby on the island? It seems that his passing out is a separate issue from her unexpectedly going into labor.[/quote]
    +++++++++
    I guess I took it as they needed Horace to get her to the ‘mainland’…guess not.

  32. i need answers says:

    Two Shea wingman…that does kill that theory….wtf..Richard Alpert…if hes not from the future..hes gotta be from the past right?…He definatley looks egyptian..RA..sun god?..thats a stretch but..who the hell is this guy…also..interesting that you say Jacob could be Jack…lets play with this…if he IS a character we already know..odds are he is (I think we are done with adding new main characters)its gotta be between who..Sawyer-who has totally changed the entire way he acts…never interacted with or heard of Jacob…Jack…who is just now finally starting to beleive in fate…Locke..trying to “help” himself-doubtfull…Granpa Shepherd..or shoot..maybe its Cheech haha

  33. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="322099"] Also, to be a surgeon you have to be in college four years, then 5 or 7 years of MD.[/quote]
    I’m sure the island has a “special” college for him.

  34. Miraks says:

    [quote comment="322098"]My guess for the baby is probably Desmond. But I am thinking that we have been thrown a curveball and am hoping it will turn out to be Daniel.

    I still am not convinced that Hawking is his mom, his biological mother anyway. Just a thought probably because I just WANT to be right about the Faraday/Hawking thing. We may find out tonight.[/quote]

    I think Desmond is too old to be the baby. It would have to be someone in their mid-twenties. Ethan seems older, too. I guess it could be Daniel, but I don’t really think so. Possibilities for me would be Charlie (unlikely), Boone (long-shot), Thomas- Aaron’s dad (another long-shot), or someone we have not met yet/ is not important (most likely).

  35. Kathy P says:

    Hurley was born in 1977.

  36. Rita says:

    [quote comment="322108"]Hurley was born in 1977.[/quote]
    ____________________________________
    I actually like the idea of the baby being Hurley (though I don’t think it will be). I know we have met his parents, and he seems to be a chip off the ol block, but he COULD have been adopted. I like the idea of the numbers “calling to him”, and bringing him back to the island. Who knows? Could be anybody, or someone we don’t know and won’t matter.

  37. Rita says:

    [quote comment="322110"][quote comment="322108"]Hurley was born in 1977.[/quote]
    ____________________________________
    I actually like the idea of the baby being Hurley (though I don’t think it will be). I know we have met his parents, and he seems to be a chip off the ol block, but he COULD have been adopted. I like the idea of the numbers “calling to him”, and bringing him back to the island. Who knows? Could be anybody, or someone we don’t know and won’t matter.[/quote]
    ____________________________
    Haha! Responding to myself. I was also thinking that I could buy Hurley as Horus’s and Amy’s son – he has Amy’s curly hair and could pass for Horus’s kid.

  38. Amber says:

    so im thinking the baby has to be someone important that we already know. I felt like there was a lot of build up to even know if it was a boy or a girl. I was holding my breath to see what the name was going to be and all they gave us was it was a boy. So its got to be someone important. Ethan not very exciting he’s dead. He wasnt really even a main character. Im going with….maybe daniel or hmmm thats all the guess i have who knows! im so excited to have a new episode!

  39. Amber says:

    Also Jacob has to be a main character that we already know right? what fun would it be when they show him to us and were like hmmm some old guy we dont know. Its got to be some big twist that circles back around to one of our main guys- JACK

  40. Rita says:

    [quote comment="322069"][quote comment="322056"][/quote]
    I am still stinging over not getting the DWY email a couple of people are talking about. It is really hard not to pout, but at least I have a new episode to console me!

    : ) P[/quote]
    __________________________________
    PJ did you check your spam file? That’s where I found mine (after DocH suggested it -otherwise I never go there). I wish we could talk about it on here because it is really cool! Some very interesting information. But I don’t think we are suppose to and I don’t want to get blocked!

  41. i need answers says:

    amber…read the posts..

  42. i need answers says:

    will you please send it to CPT.DANN@gmail.com please :)

  43. lostintheplot says:

    I don’t get why so many people think the baby may be Ethan… Nothing much special about him – just another Other AND he is dead. If it is Ethan – what would be the big deal about this birth?

  44. wingman says:

    [quote comment="322105"]Two Shea wingman…that does kill that theory….wtf..Richard Alpert…if hes not from the future..hes gotta be from the past right?…He definatley looks egyptian..RA..sun god?..thats a stretch but..who the hell is this guy…[/quote]

    Damn, that one realization has put into question alot of what I was thinking…Dammit, I no longer believe Richard is from the future unless he was just bull$hitting the hell outta Locke in 1954…Ugh LOST!!!! Because if Richard knows nothing of TimeTravel in 1954, then he can’t be Richard from a future time trying to prevent the cataclysmic event that destroys the world//island in that future time (hence creating the time-loop to stall time)…

    Aw man, my head hurts now, because I’m trying to understand how 1970-ish Richard (who meets Ben) doesn’t age from 1954 if he isn’t a time traveler (via the “Catch-up with yourself thoery)…Now I’m starting to think that time can be altered, but only thru the time loop…Once Desmond and Locke destroy the time loop (via the Swan explosion), the time traveling of Sawyer and company we see now is the TRUE TIME (unrestrained by the loop), but maybe any time traveling in the time-loop scenario was a false time that could be altered over and over again…Wow, I can’t believe overlooking this one point has thrown me into CHAOS!!! Because if you time travel from a time loop, you may never age again because you’ll never catch up with the loop reality in which you first time traveled….Holy $h!t, I’m just gonna stop talking now cause I’ve completely violated my entire thesis on this show by just realizing Richard in 1954 had no clue what Time Traveling was…

    I’ve LOST it!!! Hopefully something happens tonight that gets me back on track…

    *tears hair out*

  45. jaime says:

    [quote comment="322120"]I don’t get why so many people think the baby may be Ethan… Nothing much special about him – just another Other AND he is dead. If it is Ethan – what would be the big deal about this birth?[/quote]
    *******************************************

    I guessed Ethan based only on him being in Dharma and his age. Thought back to everyone we had seen so far and he fit the bill. There really isn’t much about him per say that would be a WHOA moment. At least nothing we have found out yet. Could be we find out its him and then that’s all we’ll ever hear about it again.

  46. Amber says:

    [quote comment="322115"]amber…read the posts..[/quote]
    I am reading the post lets not be rude. Im just giving my reasons as to why i agree with people and what they saying. I have been reading this blog for a long time I have maybe posted 5 times. But if were not suppose to give reasons as to why we agree with another theory I wont. The on the last thread I read over 1000 post so believe me i Read them all

  47. Amber says:

    I need answers I guess i was kind of just repeating what you said sorry. I could have just saved some space and said hey i agree with what I need answers said sorry

  48. i need answers says:

    im sorry…didnt mean to sound rude..people yell at me all the time for repeating on here…that was my big chance :P

    Wingman- that would make sense…but im starting to think it cant be as complicated as we think…most of the time the best answer is the simplest one…dont ask me what that is..but…Im having a hard time beleiving that the writers would make it that complicated…i mean lets face it…98% of america wouldnt understand that…especially if they dont blog and obsess like we all do…they gotta pick something alittle easier to follow

  49. Miraks says:

    [quote comment="322124"][quote comment="322120"]I don’t get why so many people think the baby may be Ethan… Nothing much special about him – just another Other AND he is dead. If it is Ethan – what would be the big deal about this birth?[/quote]
    *******************************************

    I guessed Ethan based only on him being in Dharma and his age. Thought back to everyone we had seen so far and he fit the bill. There really isn’t much about him per say that would be a WHOA moment. At least nothing we have found out yet. Could be we find out its him and then that’s all we’ll ever hear about it again.[/quote]
    __________________

    I am also not sure why Ethan would be a possibility. Ethan was an Other, while the baby is Dharma. The Others got rid of Dharma in the Purge, thus the baby would have been gassed, unless it left the Island before hand.

  50. wingman says:

    [quote comment="322133"]im sorry…didnt mean to sound rude..people yell at me all the time for repeating on here…that was my big chance :P

    Wingman- that would make sense…but im starting to think it cant be as complicated as we think…most of the time the best answer is the simplest one…dont ask me what that is..but…Im having a hard time beleiving that the writers would make it that complicated…i mean lets face it…98% of america wouldnt understand that…especially if they dont blog and obsess like we all do…they gotta pick something alittle easier to follow[/quote]

    God I hope you’re right because I’d like to think I’m pretty smart on LOST, yet I overlooked one thing and that one thing basically kills my theories if true…I’m sure it’s much easier than I explained, but when you really think things are clicking in your mind and for one revelation to kill a lot of it, it’s tuff…I mean Richard can’t be lying to 1954-Locke about having no clue what time-traveling is can he? If so why give him the compass? Just not to be killed on sight when seen by 1954 Richard? Perhaps? There’s no reason for Richard to act like he has no clue about time travel if he gives Locke to compass so he’d know him…It isn’t the compass that Richard even cares about in 1954, it’s only the Jacob reference…Wow I took so much of that scene for granted now that I think about it…

  51. i have answers 2 says:

    ok, timeout, the baby is ethan, period. all of the idiots here that claiming to kno better are only repeating all of the spoilerz that the hollywould freeks are saying. k?
    sorri ==spolier alert==

  52. wingman says:

    The only way Ethan is that baby is if, Tom Cruise (The actor Ethan’s cousin) is fully funding D&C’s zombie-season…That’s the only way Ethan MATTERS for the endgame of this story methinks…

  53. lola says:

    [quote comment="322160"]The only way Ethan is that baby is if, Tom Cruise (The actor Ethan’s cousin) is fully funding D&C’s zombie-season…That’s the only way Ethan MATTERS for the endgame of this story methinks…[/quote]

    ____________________________________
    agreed, but as i’ve said before-you just never know

  54. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="322135"][quote comment="322124"][quote comment="322120"]I don’t get why so many people think the baby may be Ethan… Nothing much special about him – just another Other AND he is dead. If it is Ethan – what would be the big deal about this birth?[/quote]
    *******************************************

    I guessed Ethan based only on him being in Dharma and his age. Thought back to everyone we had seen so far and he fit the bill. There really isn’t much about him per say that would be a WHOA moment. At least nothing we have found out yet. Could be we find out its him and then that’s all we’ll ever hear about it again.[/quote]
    __________________

    I am also not sure why Ethan would be a possibility. Ethan was an Other, while the baby is Dharma. The Others got rid of Dharma in the Purge, thus the baby would have been gassed, unless it left the Island before hand.[/quote]
    ++++++++++
    Not sure if ALL of Dharma was killed in the purge. All Ben said was he took the lives of over 40 people. I think he might have hinted that he was not the only one, but I can’t recall.

  55. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="322160"]That’s the only way Ethan MATTERS for the endgame of this story methinks…[/quote]
    If it is, I think it might tie into the course-correction theory. Is that Gollum or Yoda? (methinks):)

  56. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="322154"]ok, timeout, the baby is ethan, period. all of the idiots here that claiming to kno better are only repeating all of the spoilerz that the hollywould freeks are saying. k?
    sorri ==spolier alert==[/quote]
    How many different names do you use?

  57. Rita says:

    [quote comment="322154"]ok, timeout, the baby is ethan, period. all of the idiots here that claiming to kno better are only repeating all of the spoilerz that the hollywould freeks are saying. k?
    sorri ==spolier alert==[/quote]
    _________________________________
    Wow. Pretty strong. I don’t remember reading any posts that claimed to KNOW who the baby is. I can also tell you for a FACT that I have not read ANY spoilers – I avoid them like the plague. How is it that you KNOW the baby is Ethan?

  58. Rita says:

    [quote comment="322122"][quote comment="322105"]Two Shea wingman…that does kill that theory….wtf..Richard Alpert…if hes not from the future..hes gotta be from the past right?…He definatley looks egyptian..RA..sun god?..thats a stretch but..who the hell is this guy…[/quote]

    Damn, that one realization has put into question alot of what I was thinking…Dammit, I no longer believe Richard is from the future unless he was just bull$hitting the hell outta Locke in 1954…Ugh LOST!!!! Because if Richard knows nothing of TimeTravel in 1954, then he can’t be Richard from a future time trying to prevent the cataclysmic event that destroys the world//island in that future time (hence creating the time-loop to stall time)…

    Aw man, my head hurts now, because I’m trying to understand how 1970-ish Richard (who meets Ben) doesn’t age from 1954 if he isn’t a time traveler (via the “Catch-up with yourself thoery)…Now I’m starting to think that time can be altered, but only thru the time loop…Once Desmond and Locke destroy the time loop (via the Swan explosion), the time traveling of Sawyer and company we see now is the TRUE TIME (unrestrained by the loop), but maybe any time traveling in the time-loop scenario was a false time that could be altered over and over again…Wow, I can’t believe overlooking this one point has thrown me into CHAOS!!! Because if you time travel from a time loop, you may never age again because you’ll never catch up with the loop reality in which you first time traveled….Holy $h!t, I’m just gonna stop talking now cause I’ve completely violated my entire thesis on this show by just realizing Richard in 1954 had no clue what Time Traveling was…

    I’ve LOST it!!! Hopefully something happens tonight that gets me back on track…

    *tears hair out*[/quote]
    ______________________________________
    I feel your pain. :)

  59. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="322169"][quote comment="322154"]ok, timeout, the baby is ethan, period. all of the idiots here that claiming to kno better are only repeating all of the spoilerz that the hollywould freeks are saying. k?
    sorri ==spolier alert==[/quote]
    _________________________________
    Wow. Pretty strong. I don’t remember reading any posts that claimed to KNOW who the baby is. I can also tell you for a FACT that I have not read ANY spoilers – I avoid them like the plague. How is it that you KNOW the baby is Ethan?[/quote]
    +++++++++
    because i need answers

  60. duke says:

    [quote comment="322103"][quote comment="322090"] which is why I agreed with notion that it could be Desmond.

    I agree that if it is Ethan Rom, then it just adds more evidence that they’ve always “intervened.”[/quote]
    1995, Desmond was dated a woman named Ruth for 6 years and called of the wedding only a week before it.

    I can see the theory of them ALWAYS intervening, but I also like the course-correction theory.[/quote]
    _________________________________

    What’s your point about Desmond dating someone in 1995 for 6 years? I do not understand the reference.

  61. Trixanna says:

    Less than an hour to go! Wooohooo! I don’t buy that the baby is Ethan. I think he is an important key to something though, not just to show that there has always been a problem having babies on the island. I hope we find out tonight but I’m not holding my breath.

  62. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="322111"]
    Haha! Responding to myself. I was also thinking that I could buy Hurley as Horus’s and Amy’s son – he has Amy’s curly hair and could pass for Horus’s kid.[/quote]

    Rita, honey, I am picking up what you are laying down! Right year. I can see it. Maybe that’s why the poor guy picked the name Hurley out of the air when asked his name. Maybe as a little kid he hears the Hurley bird and likes the sound of it. YES, it is a stretch, but it at least FEELS like it has more meaning than any of the other suggestions.

    : ) P

  63. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="322116"]will you please send it to CPT.DANN@gmail.com

    please :)[/quote]
    +++++++++++++
    FWIW Rita, you would be chancing getting excluded…..scroll down and read the message at the VERY bottom.

  64. Hammer says:

    YES…YES..YES….YESSS!!!!!!!!!!!

  65. PJSander says:

    YAY! HAMMER! YAY! We can say it again!

    R U N W A Y !

    : ) P

  66. PJSander says:

    So Sun didn’t flash. Sayid could have just “escaped” or may have flashed.

    WOW.

    : ) P

  67. Rita says:

    Haha! PJ beat me to it, but Hammer, IT IS A RUNWAY!! Way to go!

  68. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="322197"]So Sun didn’t flash. Sayid could have just “escaped” or may have flashed.

    WOW.

    : ) P[/quote]
    ++++++++++++++++
    Yeah, it seems Sun may have ‘done something’ to miss the jump….wonder why Frank was exempt too?

  69. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="322196"]YAY! HAMMER! YAY! We can say it again!

    R U N W A Y !

    : ) P[/quote]
    +++++++++++++
    Bowing, dancing around the room, grinning ear to ear!!!!

  70. Hammer says:

    Now, what are the implications here? How did the folks in 2004 know to build a runway for a plane coming in 2007?

  71. LINS says:

    [quote comment="322114"][quote comment="322069"][quote comment="322056"][/quote]
    I am still stinging over not getting the DWY email a couple of people are talking about. It is really hard not to pout, but at least I have a new episode to console me!

    : ) P[/quote]
    __________________________________
    PJ did you check your spam file? That’s where I found mine (after DocH suggested it -otherwise I never go there). I wish we could talk about it on here because it is really cool! Some very interesting information. But I don’t think we are suppose to and I don’t want to get blocked![/quote]

    ***************
    woohoo it’s wednesday!!

    btw, i got my dwy email…checked spam today and there it was!!! sounds exciting!!

  72. Hammer says:

    Good call on the Ethan thing whoever that was.

  73. kimm says:

    HOW DO YOU PEOPLE KNOW THESE THINGS!?!!?!

    The Runway!
    Ethan!
    Aghhh!!!

    This episode is going to be awesomeeeee!!!

  74. Rita says:

    And here is Sayid! I guess that accounts for everyone – except Rose and Bernard of course.

  75. PJSander says:

    Baby named Ethan AND a runway. LOTS of people doing the happy dance tonight. Good predictions, all!

    : ) P

  76. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="322205"]HOW DO YOU PEOPLE KNOW THESE THINGS!?!!?!

    The Runway!
    Ethan!
    Aghhh!!!

    This episode is going to be awesomeeeee!!![/quote]
    +++++++++++++++==
    Well, the runway wasn’t really a prediction. Remember, Juliette told us that’s what it was. Folks thought it wasn’t realistic…which it isn’t…but I was just saying that the hints were there and I bought ‘em.

    Can’t speak for how they knew about Ethan.

  77. Hammer says:

    Hee hee…where was Ben’s plan for that one? Something is def. up with Sun….still working for Widmore maybe?

  78. Rita says:

    Wouldn’t it be hard to not want to smother Ethan now before he grows up?! Cant’ believe I said that!

  79. kimm says:

    [quote comment="322208"][quote comment="322205"]HOW DO YOU PEOPLE KNOW THESE THINGS!?!!?!

    The Runway!
    Ethan!
    Aghhh!!!

    This episode is going to be awesomeeeee!!![/quote]
    +++++++++++++++==
    Well, the runway wasn’t really a prediction. Remember, Juliette told us that’s what it was. Folks thought it wasn’t realistic…which it isn’t…but I was just saying that the hints were there and I bought ‘em.

    Can’t speak for how they knew about Ethan.[/quote]
    ===========================================

    You’re right, but in the midst of all the excitement/anticipation/suspense I couldn’t articulate how I felt about confirmation of both. Eeeeeeeeee!

  80. Hammer says:

    Whispers, then Christian….awesome!!!

  81. kimm says:

    Where does Christian fit into this? Oh how I yearn for a definite answer. He is dead, undead, speaking on behalf of Jacob, Jack and Claire’s Dad, Locke’s “guide”, etc.

  82. Hammer says:

    Okay, so it’s kind of confirmed that the plane is not in the 70’s, so why is Sun and Frank different than the rest?

  83. mikeee. says:

    Wow. Cold words from Sawyer to Jack.

    Anyone think they know why Ben Sun and Frank didn’t go back to the past?

  84. kimm says:

    WHAT?!!! THAT FELT LIKE A HALF AN HOUR! WTFFFFFFFF

  85. mikeee. says:

    OOOOOOOOOH MY GOOOOOOD. I cannot wait til next week already!!

  86. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="322215"]Okay, so it’s kind of confirmed that the plane is not in the 70’s, so why is Sun and Frank different than the rest?[/quote]

    Kind of confirmed? LOL. We see the plane crash, followed by “Thirty years earlier” and scenes with Jack, Hurley and Kate with Sawyer saying it is 1977. I would say it is DEFINITELY confirmed!

    Sun not flashing does not fit – except if “the island” or Jacob KNOWS she is working with Widmore.

    What is up with Daniel not being there “anymore” – psychotic break or different work assignment?

    : ) P

  87. Rita says:

    [quote comment="322222"][quote comment="322215"]Okay, so it’s kind of confirmed that the plane is not in the 70’s, so why is Sun and Frank different than the rest?[/quote]

    Kind of confirmed? LOL. We see the plane crash, followed by “Thirty years earlier” and scenes with Jack, Hurley and Kate with Sawyer saying it is 1977. I would say it is DEFINITELY confirmed!

    Sun not flashing does not fit – except if “the island” or Jacob KNOWS she is working with Widmore.

    What is up with Daniel not being there “anymore” – psychotic break or different work assignment?

    : ) P[/quote]
    __________________________________
    When Christian told Sun and Frank that they had a long journey ahead of them, I wonder what he meant? Can he take them to 1977 some way?
    I was wondering about Daniel too. We saw him working in the tunnels by the FDW – maybe he time flashed by getting too close?
    Some answers, but SO MANY MORE QUESTIONS!!
    And WAY too many commercials!

  88. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="322222"][quote comment="322215"]Okay, so it’s kind of confirmed that the plane is not in the 70’s, so why is Sun and Frank different than the rest?[/quote]

    Kind of confirmed? LOL. We see the plane crash, followed by “Thirty years earlier” and scenes with Jack, Hurley and Kate with Sawyer saying it is 1977. I would say it is DEFINITELY confirmed!

    Sun not flashing does not fit – except if “the island” or Jacob KNOWS she is working with Widmore.

    What is up with Daniel not being there “anymore” – psychotic break or different work assignment?

    : ) P[/quote]
    +++++++++++++++++++
    I was being bashful ’cause I was one of the first to ‘think’ that the Losties flashed and the plane carried on in the present.

    I think you are correct on Sun, she’s done something or working for Widmore has kept her from Jin…island punishment? Christian saying she has a long way to go may imply that she has to redeem herself before she can see Jin again.

  89. Amber says:

    oh my gosh im just now coming off my lost high! its crazy what one week off will do to somebody! So by christian saying to sun and lapidus that its going to be a long journey does that mean he has a way to time travel them back in time?

  90. Rita says:

    Ben was even creepy as a kid.

  91. Amber says:

    best line of the night came from the co pilot IS THAT A RUNWAY? I said so loud Hammer was right!, my husband came in the living room and said whos hammer? lol it was so funny hes not a lost fan

  92. Vaughn K says:

    Yea there was a ridiculous amount of commercials in this episode it seemed like. but on to business…when christian showed sun and frank the picture and they were all in it, it obviously proves that they are actually there so wouldnt ben remember jack, sawyer, and company? is he pretending not to remember them from the past? widmore remembered locke walking into their camp in 1954, so ben would def remember living with someone (sawyer) for three years

  93. Mike says:

    Did anyone notice in the scene where christian showed sun the photo there was someone in the background? was that a mistake or was it someone significant?

    Also how old was Ben when Richard first approached him versus how old he is when he gives sayid the sandwich?

  94. tsunami says:

    question???!?!?!?!?
    when sawyer(laflaur) said well Feradey isn’t with us anymore. what does he mean by that?!?!?!?!?!?
    also, whats he deal with sawyers attitude toward jack?! hes being quite rude.

  95. LostGrrl says:

    Okay… first to #20, 43, 49 and others who wonder why Ethan-being-baby is so important. I think it shows us once and for all that Sawyer was always meant to intervene to save Amy’s life. And it shows that both Ethan and Ben were Dharma people who survived the purge and are now playing for the Other team.
    :)

  96. Rita says:

    [quote comment="322231"]Okay… first to #20, 43, 49 and others who wonder why Ethan-being-baby is so important. I think it shows us once and for all that Sawyer was always meant to intervene to save Amy’s life. And it shows that both Ethan and Ben were Dharma people who survived the purge and are now playing for the Other team.

    :)[/quote]
    __________________________________
    Good point.

  97. RGS says:

    [quote comment="322228"]Yea there was a ridiculous amount of commercials in this episode it seemed like. but on to business…when christian showed sun and frank the picture and they were all in it, it obviously proves that they are actually there so wouldnt ben remember jack, sawyer, and company? is he pretending not to remember them from the past? widmore remembered locke walking into their camp in 1954, so ben would def remember living with someone (sawyer) for three years[/quote]

    I definitely think Ben is pretending not to know them. Not sure how he gets the info about the future though. Since there was a runway, I’m feel real good that Harper references Juliette as the person “she” looks like but why? Ben gets a crush on her? He’s at that age I guess.

    Maybe by Ben getting this info, he’s able to demonstrate to Richard that he’s some kinda chosen person. I’m thinking he’s gonna eavesdrop on conversations.

    Is Daniel Jacob? That would be crazy.

  98. adapa1 says:

    Just wanna place my bets before tonights epeisode.

    #1. That damn statue is Anubis….hands down. I can’t ignore the heiroglyphs=Underworld

    #2. THat damn baby is Desmond.

    #3. Penny is definatley daniels sister.

    #4. Some one made a comment early in this thread about Jack being Jacob. At this point I must still agree with that theory or that Jacob is John. And I just wanna point out that the writers said in commentary That the actor they used to play Jacob in the cabin never appears on lost agian.

    #5. I’m holding my ground with Hammer and agreeing that it was the same runway that Bens half of the plane landed on(the same one he had kate and sawyer build) I think this issue will be prove to be important when they show us the use of “bens” time machine on the island (i’m sure there is another one on the island)

  99. tsunami says:

    sry. lots of typos. i ment to say: sawyer said “Well, Fereday isn’t with us anymore.” also whats the deal with sawyers attitude towards jack? he seems quite pissed that jack is here. maybe hes upset and he likes the way things are happening with him and juliet and Darma. Also, in the preview for next week Syid seems bad. But he wouldn’t be working with the others, but what does he want?

  100. RGS says:

    Definitely a lot of commercials, not a lot of meat in this episode. Also Ben must have hidden the outriggers before too, so he likely knew they would crash on the island.

    So young Ben can’t get info on the future until the folks from 2007 get back to 1977…if they were going to be ‘logical’ with it.

  101. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="322228"]when christian showed sun and frank the picture and they were all in it, it obviously proves that they are actually there so wouldnt ben remember jack, sawyer, and company? is he pretending not to remember them from the past? widmore remembered locke walking into their camp in 1954, so ben would def remember living with someone (sawyer) for three years[/quote]
    +++++++++++++
    We only know that Widmore remembered Locke AFTER the time travel happened…we don’t know if he ALWAYS remembered him…yet.

    So it is possible that Ben didn’t ‘remember’ the Losties before THIS time travel happened.

  102. LostGrrl says:

    Questions still unanswered in my muddled head…

    — How does Ben know where the boats are. He doesn’t even know what year they’re in. (Does he??)

    — Christian seemed quite “present” to Sun and Lapidus. I thought at one point Sun brushed into him. If so, gives credence to a theory here that some of our Oceanic friends might already be in this “state” without even knowing it.

    — Where is Faraday??

  103. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="322236"]Also, in the preview for next week xxx xxxxx xxxxx. But he wouldn’t be working with the others, but what does he want?[/quote]

    We do NOT discuss previews on this blog! Please remember that. There are lots of places on the web that LOVE to mess with previews and spoilers, but here is a refuge from that! ACK!

    *G*

    : ) P

  104. Vaughn K says:

    well its also possible that jacob simply told ben to build the runway, i mean on many occasions we saw that jacob tells the leader what to do next whether it is ben or locke and if jacob told him to do it than he wouldnt even ask why he would just do it

  105. Toeknee says:

    I’m wondering, the room where Christian showed Sun the photo from 1977 – is that the same room that Kate was held prisoner in, back in season 3? If so, wouldn’t Kate have seen the photo and wondered, WTF? Maybe that wasn’t the same room.

    However, being that Juliet lived in Dharmaville for 3 years, wouldn’t she have ventured into that room and noticed the picture, and wondered, WTF?

  106. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="322237"]Also Ben must have hidden the outriggers before too, so he likely knew they would crash on the island.[/quote]

    Or the whisperers told him where to find it.

    : ) P

  107. RGS says:

    [quote comment="322235"]
    #5. I’m holding my ground with Hammer and agreeing that it was the same runway that Bens half of the plane landed on(the same one he had kate and sawyer build) I think this issue will be prove to be important when they show us the use of “bens” time machine on the island (i’m sure there is another one on the island)[/quote]

    That would explain Alpert being able to time travel as well. Perhaps that’s why Ben wanted to get back to the main island. Reunite with Alpert before Locke does.

  108. LostGrrl says:

    Best lines…

    Ben: (asked on the plane where Jack, etc. went) How should I know?
    (with that EVIL GLINT in his EVIL eyes!)

    Sawyer: It’s 1977
    Hurley: Uh… what?

    Lapidus: I thought you trusted this guy (Ben)
    Sun: I lied.

  109. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="322242"]I’m wondering, the room where Christian showed Sun the photo from 1977 – is that the same room that Kate was held prisoner in, back in season 3? If so, wouldn’t Kate have seen the photo and wondered, WTF? Maybe that wasn’t the same room.

    However, being that Juliet lived in Dharmaville for 3 years, wouldn’t she have ventured into that room and noticed the picture, and wondered, WTF?[/quote]

    Unless they were “photoshopped” into the picture!

    : ) P

  110. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="322237"] not a lot of meat in this episode. Also Ben must have hidden the outriggers before too, so he likely knew they would crash on the island.

    So young Ben can’t get info on the future until the folks from 2007 get back to 1977…if they were going to be ‘logical’ with it.[/quote]
    +++++++++++++++++++
    I think Ben knowing he had to build himself a runway is a big fat NY strip steak…waiting to be chopped up!!

    Whispers with a Christian appearance is a rack of lamb…gyros for everyone!!! (nod to PJ)

  111. Bhurd says:

    Did anyone see the lady behind Sun, when Christian showed Sun and Frank the picture.

  112. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="322247"][quote comment="322242"]I’m wondering, the room where Christian showed Sun the photo from 1977 – is that the same room that Kate was held prisoner in, back in season 3? If so, wouldn’t Kate have seen the photo and wondered, WTF? Maybe that wasn’t the same room.

    However, being that Juliet lived in Dharmaville for 3 years, wouldn’t she have ventured into that room and noticed the picture, and wondered, WTF?[/quote]

    Unless they were “photoshopped” into the picture!

    : ) P[/quote]
    Hmmmm….I was never a fan of that theory, but this would be a situation that might support it.

  113. RGS says:

    [quote comment="322242"]I’m wondering, the room where Christian showed Sun the photo from 1977 – is that the same room that Kate was held prisoner in, back in season 3? If so, wouldn’t Kate have seen the photo and wondered, WTF? Maybe that wasn’t the same room.

    However, being that Juliet lived in Dharmaville for 3 years, wouldn’t she have ventured into that room and noticed the picture, and wondered, WTF?[/quote]

    Re: Juliette seeing the photo, they showed in the episode that they had just taken it upon arrival.

    I would imagine Ben would have removed those photos.

    Alternatively, anything with Christian is almost supernatural…even for LOST standards, so maybe those photos just got there, same as how he just got there, or he put them up himself in the time Locke had gone off…island mythos.

  114. Dukester says:

    Ok, so Sawyer originally said they were going to wait for Locke and the rest to come back. So they’re back now, and he appears not to be too thrilled about it. What’s up with that? And why did Jack never say “We came back to help you.” I mean, they were supposed to be going back to the island to save Sawyer & the rest, right? Where is this all going????

  115. Vaughn K says:

    i think that sayid is kinda screwed because i dont see anyway that they can integrate him into the DI since they already said he is a hostile so the best thing they could probably do now is let him escape and live on his own or he will prob be killed…they did say a main character will not live to see season 6 so it could be him

  116. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="322241"]well its also possible that jacob simply told ben to build the runway, i mean on many occasions we saw that jacob tells the leader what to do next whether it is ben or locke and if jacob told him to do it than he wouldnt even ask why he would just do it[/quote]
    +++++++++++++++
    Good point.

  117. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="322251"]
    Re: Juliette seeing the photo, they showed in the episode that they had just taken it upon arrival.

    I would imagine Ben would have removed those photos.

    Alternatively, anything with Christian is almost supernatural…even for LOST standards, so maybe those photos just got there, same as how he just got there, or he put them up himself in the time Locke had gone off…island mythos.[/quote]
    I suppose the bit with Christian is a possibility. But I’m not following the part where Ben may have taken them down. The picture was taken in 1977, and Christian takes it off the wall in 2007. So presumably it’s been hanging on the wall for almost 30 years, no?

  118. lostjeff says:

    Hammer wrote:
    Now, what are the implications here? How did the folks in 2004 know to build a runway for a plane coming in 2007?

    Ben has always been able to see into the future on some level. Obviously not every detail, ie Suns paddle job on him.
    Ben knew to build the runway because he could see into the future that a plane would crash there. Ben’s “always having a plan” is predicated on seeing into the future. That’s why he was so surprised when Kimmy actually killed his step daughter last season. That is also why he told Widmore that “he (Widmore) had Changed the Rules”. Ben looked into the future, saw that daughter was OK, played his mind games on Kimmy which were susposed to work and when they didn’t Ben knew that Widmore had changed the rules.
    Widmore can also see into the future b/c of all his different protocols that he had set in place. I think the “rules” had something to do with not changing the future or the past?

  119. LostGrrl says:

    Can we talk timeline?

    Sawyer, Juliet, Jack, Kate, et. al = 1977

    Lapidus crash lands Flight 316 = 2007
    (which we know from the “30 years earlier” bit)

    It was 2005 when the O6 (and Ben) left.

    So… how the hell can Ben know anything about the Island in 2007 if he last left in 2005?

  120. adapa1 says:

    Ok just learned not to post on this site two hours before the show!!!!! You east caost people just KILLED ME right now. It took me like five minutes to realize you all where all talkiong about TONIGHTS episode

  121. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="322242"]However, being that Juliet lived in Dharmaville for 3 years, wouldn’t she have ventured into that room and noticed the picture, and wondered, WTF?[/quote]
    ++++++++++
    Well the picture wasn’t taken until 77 so she wouldn’t have seen until now.

  122. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="322259"][quote comment="322242"]However, being that Juliet lived in Dharmaville for 3 years, wouldn’t she have ventured into that room and noticed the picture, and wondered, WTF?[/quote]
    ++++++++++
    Well the picture wasn’t taken until 77 so she wouldn’t have seen until now.[/quote]
    ______________________
    No, I mean she lived with The Others in Dharmaville from 2001 to 2004, and if the picture is on the wall in 2007, it stands to reason it was on that wall in 2001 to 2004.

  123. RGS says:

    [quote comment="322255"][quote comment="322251"]
    Re: Juliette seeing the photo, they showed in the episode that they had just taken it upon arrival.

    I would imagine Ben would have removed those photos.

    Alternatively, anything with Christian is almost supernatural…even for LOST standards, so maybe those photos just got there, same as how he just got there, or he put them up himself in the time Locke had gone off…island mythos.[/quote]
    I suppose the bit with Christian is a possibility. But I’m not following the part where Ben may have taken them down. The picture was taken in 1977, and Christian takes it off the wall in 2007. So presumably it’s been hanging on the wall for almost 30 years, no?[/quote]

    I guess what I’m trying to say is if Christian appears, all bets are off as far as what is “supposed” to be.

    I mean it could be, and then the show would possibly have a logistical error, if the story is no one ever ventured into that house. Or the writer’s could explain it away by island mythos.

  124. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="322260"][quote comment="322259"][quote comment="322242"]However, being that Juliet lived in Dharmaville for 3 years, wouldn’t she have ventured into that room and noticed the picture, and wondered, WTF?[/quote]
    ++++++++++
    Well the picture wasn’t taken until 77 so she wouldn’t have seen until now.[/quote]
    ______________________
    No, I mean she lived with The Others in Dharmaville from 2001 to 2004, and if the picture is on the wall in 2007, it stands to reason it was on that wall in 2001 to 2004.[/quote]
    ++++++++++++
    Oh gotcha….and good point.

  125. RGS says:

    [quote comment="322260"][quote comment="322259"][quote comment="322242"]However, being that Juliet lived in Dharmaville for 3 years, wouldn’t she have ventured into that room and noticed the picture, and wondered, WTF?[/quote]
    ++++++++++
    Well the picture wasn’t taken until 77 so she wouldn’t have seen until now.[/quote]
    ______________________
    No, I mean she lived with The Others in Dharmaville from 2001 to 2004, and if the picture is on the wall in 2007, it stands to reason it was on that wall in 2001 to 2004.[/quote]

    Was she in the photo? Otherwise it would have been another nondescript picture. I’m sure if you looked at a bunch of graduation pictures you probably wouldn’t remember everyone in the photo, unless you made it a point to study them or something. Probably once you peep the pictures, you move on to something else.

  126. Hammer says:

    The ‘animal’ that Frank and Sun saw…was the Smokey ‘letting’ them go see Christian.

    When the wind blew the door open, was that Smokey swirling in the wind?

  127. DocH says:

    Four words!

    Taller Not Ghost Ben.

  128. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="322263"][quote comment="322260"][quote comment="322259"][quote comment="322242"]However, being that Juliet lived in Dharmaville for 3 years, wouldn’t she have ventured into that room and noticed the picture, and wondered, WTF?[/quote]
    ++++++++++
    Well the picture wasn’t taken until 77 so she wouldn’t have seen until now.[/quote]
    ______________________
    No, I mean she lived with The Others in Dharmaville from 2001 to 2004, and if the picture is on the wall in 2007, it stands to reason it was on that wall in 2001 to 2004.[/quote]

    Was she in the photo? Otherwise it would have been another nondescript picture. I’m sure if you looked at a bunch of graduation pictures you probably wouldn’t remember everyone in the photo, unless you made it a point to study them or something. Probably once you peep the pictures, you move on to something else.[/quote]
    ++++++++++++++
    Juliette was not in the picture…it was the new recruits for 77.

  129. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="322265"]Four words!

    Taller Not Ghost Ben.[/quote]
    +++++++++
    LMAO.

  130. LINS says:

    wow, what an episode!

    my first thought when sun and frank saw christian was “oh no, they’re dead!”, i don’t really think they are, but hey, it (might have) happened to claire, right? that scene was creepy with the whispers and the door opening…

    anyone else think it’s a coincident that tonight’s episode showed the new dharma recruits right after we got that new dwy email? maybe they did have a plan after all…

    any ideas on where daniel might be? my guess is he grabbed little charlotte and left on a sub, but i douubt that, it was weird though, the way sawyer talked about him…

    again, great episode!!!

  131. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="322264"]The ‘animal’ that Frank and Sun saw…was the Smokey ‘letting’ them go see Christian.

    When the wind blew the door open, was that Smokey swirling in the wind?[/quote]

    I saw the black smoke in the doorway, too, Hammer. I think you are right on the “animal” too.

    : ) P

  132. LINS says:

    [quote comment="322267"][quote comment="322265"]Four words!

    Taller Not Ghost Ben.[/quote]
    +++++++++
    LMAO.[/quote]

    **************
    haha, that is great :)

  133. DharmaGreg says:

    Think it’s possible that Amy was supposed to be kidnapped by the Others like many other pregnant women? And that Ethan was supposed to be raised by the the others and now he is going to be raised by Dharma folks? Could Sawyer and Juliet have prevented this or does he become an other now anyway?

    So glad Sawyer called Jack out for being a crappy leader. I am also glad that he is a “Workman”.

    Runway. Think it might have really been Lapidus that landed that plane on the Hudson in January? What a pilot…

  134. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="322263"]
    Was she in the photo? Otherwise it would have been another nondescript picture. I’m sure if you looked at a bunch of graduation pictures you probably wouldn’t remember everyone in the photo, unless you made it a point to study them or something. Probably once you peep the pictures, you move on to something else.[/quote]
    No she wasn’t in the photo. I was thinking that after 9/22/04, she would have seen pictures of Hurley, Kate and Jack, so at that point she’d know what they look like, so at some point after that if she saw the 1977 Dharma photo, she’d recognize the three of them. But maybe that it too much of a stretch, to assume that she was in that room and took another look at that photo sometime after 9/22/04.

  135. Hammer says:

    I’m thinking that the island may be done with Frank now that he got the O6 to island after he ‘messed up’ and missed flying 815?

  136. Vaughn K says:

    you know what i find weird is that they said that this was supposed to be a ben-centric episode but he really wasnt the main character of focus…also i want to know if locke was still with those people when they showed frank give that speech and also when locke told cesar at the end of “the life and death of jeremy bentham” that ben was the one who killed him why would they just let ben walk around with them unless they think that locke is just a crazy old man but where is he?

  137. LINS says:

    [quote comment="322271"]Think it’s possible that Amy was supposed to be kidnapped by the Others like many other pregnant women? And that Ethan was supposed to be raised by the the others and now he is going to be raised by Dharma folks? Could Sawyer and Juliet have prevented this or does he become an other now anyway?

    So glad Sawyer called Jack out for being a crappy leader. I am also glad that he is a “Workman”.

    Runway. Think it might have really been Lapidus that landed that plane on the Hudson in January? What a pilot…[/quote]

    thinking about ethan being born the way we saw, how would that explain him still being around post-purge? did ben recruit him to leave the di and join the others, or was he really supposed to be raised by alpert et al and not be affected by the purge?

  138. Vaughn K says:

    [quote comment="322271"]Think it’s possible that Amy was supposed to be kidnapped by the Others like many other pregnant women? And that Ethan was supposed to be raised by the the others and now he is going to be raised by Dharma folks? Could Sawyer and Juliet have prevented this or does he become an other now anyway?quote]
    ______________
    yea the universe always course correct so if she was supposed to be kidnapped he will end up with the others one way or another

  139. PJSander says:

    Okay, I know that we have to suspend reality, but come on! Sawyer has a “baggy sweat shirt” that is going to fit Hurley? And in 1977 (before ANYTHING “off the rack” came in a size bigger than XL), they just HAPPEN to have a jumpsuit in Hurley’s size? It was hard enough to buy the I

  140. PJSander says:

    Okay, I know that we have to suspend reality, but come on! Sawyer has a “baggy sweat shirt” that is going to fit Hurley? And in 1977 (before ANYTHING “off the rack” came in a size bigger than XL), they just HAPPEN to have a jumpsuit in Hurley’s size? It was hard enough to buy the I (heart) Shitzu shirt in the gas station, and the prison jumpsuit, in 2008(ish). I am not being mean, I am being PRACTICAL.

    (I love Hurley.)

    : ) P

  141. lostjeff says:

    Ethan definitely leaves the island unless there is some wayward Medical school there like on the island of Grenada. He was probably recruited to come back to the island by Ben and/or Richard. “You were the last child born on the island we need your help” type scenario.

  142. LINS says:

    [quote comment="322281"]Okay, I know that we have to suspend reality, but come on! Sawyer has a “baggy sweat shirt” that is going to fit Hurley? And in 1977 (before ANYTHING “off the rack” came in a size bigger than XL), they just HAPPEN to have a jumpsuit in Hurley’s size? It was hard enough to buy the I (heart) Shitzu shirt in the gas station, and the prison jumpsuit, in 2008(ish). I am not being mean, I am being PRACTICAL.

    (I love Hurley.)

    : ) P[/quote]

    haha, yeah all those dharma people seem un-naturally fit and thin with the exception of horace…

  143. Skweez says:

    [quote comment="322281"]Okay, I know that we have to suspend reality, but come on! Sawyer has a “baggy sweat shirt” that is going to fit Hurley? And in 1977 (before ANYTHING “off the rack” came in a size bigger than XL), they just HAPPEN to have a jumpsuit in Hurley’s size? It was hard enough to buy the I (heart) Shitzu shirt in the gas station, and the prison jumpsuit, in 2008(ish). I am not being mean, I am being PRACTICAL.

    (I love Hurley.)

    : ) P[/quote]

    *******************

    I hear ya PJ…. those types of “mistakes” get under my skin….

  144. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="322282"]Ethan definitely leaves the island unless there is some wayward Medical school there like on the island of Grenada. He was probably recruited to come back to the island by Ben and/or Richard. “You were the last child born on the island we need your help” type scenario.[/quote]

    Or Ben saves all the “children” (including Ethan) by handing them over to Alpert prior to the purge. He would consider them innocent.

    Still not sure that Amy’s Ethan is Ethan Rom. This may be this season’s “Charlie” for me! LOL

    : ) P

  145. flgrl says:

    [quote comment="322239"]Questions still unanswered in my muddled head…

    — How does Ben know where the boats are. He doesn’t even know what year they’re in. (Does he??)

    — Christian seemed quite “present” to Sun and Lapidus. I thought at one point Sun brushed into him. If so, gives credence to a theory here that some of our Oceanic friends might already be in this “state” without even knowing it.

    — Where is Faraday??[/quote]

    *******************************

    I wondered about the outriggers also. Not only was it particularly odd that Ben knew they were there, but there were really lamely hidden. I guess it could’ve just been a standard dharma thing though.

    Sun – she’s clearly got some repenting to do. It seems like all the other folks have faced their demons and now they may get their “reward”, but Sun has just started down the dark paths and will have to find her way back.

    Faraday – Maybe he got stuck in some time traveling loop since he had already been there once. Interesting idea someone else had to make him Jacob.

    Jack and Sawyer – total personality reversals. I like it!

    Hammer – I was laughing my butt off about the runway. I was one of your skeptics.

    and finally, I see there are several complaints about the commercials. We dvr the show and start it about 9:30. Fast forwarding through the commercials, we finish it just after the live show finishes.

  146. LINS says:

    [quote comment="322282"]Ethan definitely leaves the island unless there is some wayward Medical school there like on the island of Grenada. He was probably recruited to come back to the island by Ben and/or Richard. “You were the last child born on the island we need your help” type scenario.[/quote]

    true…that could have happened…he would have had to leave before he turned 15 though, since the purge happened in 92 (right?) but i guess that’s possible…who knows with this show!

  147. ninny says:

    Ethan was supposed to be an other when the others were taking Amy his mom. But now he’s dharma because Sawyer saved her from the others. Maybe??

  148. Jules3882 says:

    I LOVED the nod to UGA in tonight’s episode! For those that don’t know, Sawyer (the actor) went to UGA, hence the Bulldogs sweatshirt worn by Hurley! Go Dawgs! :)

  149. LINS says:

    well ben had only been gone for three years, granted he probably didn’t know what year it was when they landed, he knew that they were on the little island, the bear cages weren’t inhabited and the buildings weren’t inhabited so it was more than likely post-2004 and it appeared that the location of the outriggers was where they had kept them in his day, so he might as well check to see if they’re there, right?

    so when sawyer and co. found the outriggers, they were on the big island, correct? they found two of them with ajira water bottles in them, and i don’t think they found them near any docks…so who else takes the outriggers over to the big island and what happens to them? poor ben, knocked unconcious on the beach, haha!

  150. lola says:

    ok i read all the posts 1st this time, and i want to go watch it again so really quickly-

    regarding photo taken in 1977, obviously 2 “times, different years” are happening simultaneoulsy on the island, the present 2007 is not the 2007 that would have happened if jack and others never got on helicopter. The present 2007 follows the 1977 where Sawyer currently resides so that is why I think Juliet never noticed the pic while she was an other, b/c that 1977 didn’t happen yet to her-follow? Couldn’t help think of “the shining” where jack nicholson saw himself in the picture.

    in comment 66 it was stated that Sayid may have flashed, nobody commented on this yet-maybe so while i am typing this, but anyhow-he did.

    here’s something for y’all-maybe an error, but when 316 crashed the chick that was holding a handcuffed Sayid told Ceasar that Sun and the pilot took off in a boat, I originally thought it was one of those that held the water bottle. We now know that it was the one Ben uncovered. So… she wasn’t there, how did she know that? Obvioulsy they find Ben as Locke identified him as the person that killed him. I only noticed one boat that Ben took the brush off of, even if there were more there, how would she know how many there originally were? Error? or who cares? I’m thinking too much?-but I was like wait-she didn’t see Sun take off.

    PLease forgive me, but I’m not discussing any great mystery here…next week, Juliet to Kate: “stay away from him”-YES!!! Sawyer and Kate xoxoxo

  151. flgrl says:

    The stuff in the doorway when it opened looked more like mist to me instead of the black smoke, but seeing as how the “animal” in the trees surely had to be smokey, it might make some kind of sense that it was following them. Doesn’t look good for Sun.

  152. lola says:

    [quote comment="322282"]Ethan definitely leaves the island unless there is some wayward Medical school there like on the island of Grenada. He was probably recruited to come back to the island by Ben and/or Richard. “You were the last child born on the island we need your help” type scenario.[/quote]
    ____________________________
    1 more thing who says ethan has to be a liscensed Dr? they do what they want on the island. The whole medical school issue is irrelevant

  153. LINS says:

    [quote comment="322288"]Ethan was supposed to be an other when the others were taking Amy his mom. But now he’s dharma because Sawyer saved her from the others. Maybe??[/quote]

    amy wasn’t pregnant when they tried to take her (that we know of), at least not pregnant with ethan, she was still married to paul, and ethan is supposed to be horace’s baby from three years after the attempted kidnapping.

  154. Hammer says:

    I know it ‘seemed’ that Ben didn’t know what year it is…but he’s a liar. I think he knew, he knew to build the runway, he knew to get his butt on the plane, he knew the boat was waiting….he knew, he knows, he always has a plan.

  155. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="322291"]so when sawyer and co. found the outriggers, they were on the big island, correct? they found two of them with ajira water bottles in them, and i don’t think they found them near any docks…so who else takes the outriggers over to the big island and what happens to them? poor ben, knocked unconcious on the beach, haha![/quote]

    I am a bit confused about that too. Because remember, when Ilana said that the pilot and some woman took the outrigger, BEN was in the “sick bay” and John had just come out of the water.

    So did what we see TONIGHT come before or AFTER what we saw in 316?

    : ) P

  156. lola says:

    boat-outriggers -whatever

  157. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="322268"]anyone else think it’s a coincident that tonight’s episode showed the new dharma recruits right after we got that new dwy email? maybe they did have a plan after all…
    [/quote]

    Sure, LINS, just rub it in, why don’t you!? LOL. Seriously, though, it seems like quite a few of you got emails from DWY. I wonder why some and not others?

    I keep checking my spam just in case! LOL

    : ) P

  158. LINS says:

    [quote comment="322297"][quote comment="322291"]so when sawyer and co. found the outriggers, they were on the big island, correct? they found two of them with ajira water bottles in them, and i don’t think they found them near any docks…so who else takes the outriggers over to the big island and what happens to them? poor ben, knocked unconcious on the beach, haha![/quote]

    I am a bit confused about that too. Because remember, when Ilana said that the pilot and some woman took the outrigger, BEN was in the “sick bay” and John had just come out of the water.

    So did what we see TONIGHT come before or AFTER what we saw in 316?

    : ) P[/quote]

    **********************
    I’m think tonight was before…I’m assuming Ben comes back to the beach and somehow tells the rest what happened, that Frank and Sun left, he was in the sick bay with a pretty bad injury, could have been from getting whacked with a boat oar!

  159. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="322297"][quote comment="322291"]so when sawyer and co. found the outriggers, they were on the big island, correct? they found two of them with ajira water bottles in them, and i don’t think they found them near any docks…so who else takes the outriggers over to the big island and what happens to them? poor ben, knocked unconcious on the beach, haha![/quote]

    I am a bit confused about that too. Because remember, when Ilana said that the pilot and some woman took the outrigger, BEN was in the “sick bay” and John had just come out of the water.

    So did what we see TONIGHT come before or AFTER what we saw in 316?

    : ) P[/quote]
    +++++++++++++
    It would have to be after because Ben was playing possum in the wounded area. I think the boat that Ben had stashed are different than the one that the ‘pilot and woman took’. I am guessing Frank and Sun took off and ended up coming back, then the scene we saw today happened.

  160. duke says:

    I was wrong about the baby. Big surprise I know. LOL

  161. Hammer says:

    Nevermind….Lins nailed it @ 158.

  162. duke says:

    [quote comment="322227"]best line of the night came from the co pilot IS THAT A RUNWAY? I said so loud Hammer was right!, my husband came in the living room and said whos hammer? lol it was so funny hes not a lost fan[/quote]
    ———————————-
    The funniest part to me was the fact that Sawyer actually had some clothes, in his closet, that would fit Hurley!

  163. lola says:

    [quote comment="322301"][quote comment="322297"][quote comment="322291"]so when sawyer and co. found the outriggers, they were on the big island, correct? they found two of them with ajira water bottles in them, and i don’t think they found them near any docks…so who else takes the outriggers over to the big island and what happens to them? poor ben, knocked unconcious on the beach, haha![/quote]

    I am a bit confused about that too. Because remember, when Ilana said that the pilot and some woman took the outrigger, BEN was in the “sick bay” and John had just come out of the water.

    So did what we see TONIGHT come before or AFTER what we saw in 316?

    : ) P[/quote]
    +++++++++++++
    It would have to be after because Ben was playing possum in the wounded area. I think the boat that Ben had stashed are different than the one that the ‘pilot and woman took’. I am guessing Frank and Sun took off and ended up coming back, then the scene we saw today happened.[/quote]
    ————————–
    this scene can’t be after because Sun knocked Ben out

  164. PJSander says:

    This doesn’t help us determine WHEN it happened but from TLaDoJB:

    ILANA: I’m Ilana.

    LOCKE: [Thumbing to himself] John. [Thumbing behind him] Are those your boats?

    [Various crash survivors comb through two outrigger canoes pulled safely up on the beach.]

    ILANA: No. They were already here. There used to be three, but the pilot and some woman took one. Didn’t tell anyone, just ran off in the middle of the night.
    – – – – –
    So whether it happened before or after, she is NOT describing what we saw tonight, because Frank and Sun very clearly left in the daytime.

    : ) P

  165. lostjeff says:

    Does the island have some healing love for Ben again? He seemed pretty happy as he took his sling off and confidently made a fist with his lame hand. Whoever takes the other two boats to the big island must have a gun. I bet it was the Marshall Lady who is looking for Syaid.

  166. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="322306"]- – – – –
    So whether it happened before or after, she is NOT describing what we saw tonight, because Frank and Sun very clearly left in the daytime.

    : ) P[/quote]
    +++++++++++++++
    Well, they arrived on the main island at night, so maybe left at dusk?

  167. PJSander says:

    I guess this extra outrigger could fit in with the TTLOSTies who flashed while they were IN the outrigger and were shot at. Possibly Caesar and Ilana shooting?

    : ) P

  168. boo says:

    Yha how is the women behind Sun in the seane with Christian I think it was somone who should have been out of the shot before they started to roll if you noticed the person stayed very still and hunched over

  169. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="322307"]Does the island have some healing love for Ben again? He seemed pretty happy as he took his sling off and confidently made a fist with his lame hand.

    Whoever takes the other two boats to the big island must have a gun. I bet it was the Marshall Lady who is looking for Syaid.[/quote]
    +++++++++++++
    Yep could be, but why would they shoot at Sawyer et al without knowing what the island is all about yet. Just randomly shooting at people in another boat seems odd.

  170. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="322308"]
    Well, they arrived on the main island at night, so maybe left at dusk?[/quote]

    Left the little island after knocking out Ben, you mean? Perhaps, but in no WAY is dusk, the “middle” of the night. If that were the case, Ilana, at MOST, would have said, “last night.” IMO

    : ) P

  171. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="322311"]
    Yep could be, but why would they shoot at Sawyer et al without knowing what the island is all about yet. Just randomly shooting at people in another boat seems odd.[/quote]

    Unless they are Widmore plants looking for Ben and thought HE was in that outrigger?

    : ) P

  172. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="322314"][quote comment="322311"]
    Yep could be, but why would they shoot at Sawyer et al without knowing what the island is all about yet. Just randomly shooting at people in another boat seems odd.[/quote]

    Unless they are Widmore plants looking for Ben and thought HE was in that outrigger?

    : ) P[/quote]
    ++++++++++++
    Good points…170 and 171.

  173. DharmaGreg says:

    Tonight’s Ep is before 316. Ben is still concious. The pilot and a woman left in one of the boats as said. Ceasar spoke of looking in the buildings that he had seen and was looking in them in 316.

    Maybe Jack sticks around and teaches Ethan to be a surgeon? After he gets promoted from “workman” of course.

  174. Hammer says:

    When Chang tells Jack that his test put him at janitor…I saw Jack’s laugh as a ‘touche moment’ to Sawyer. (Sawyer set up the info for the welcome committee, IMO)

  175. Vaughn K says:

    [quote comment="322319"]Tonight’s Ep is before 316. Ben is still concious. The pilot and a woman left in one of the boats as said. Ceasar spoke of looking in the buildings that he had seen and was looking in them in 316.

    Maybe Jack sticks around and teaches Ethan to be a surgeon? After he gets promoted from “workman” of course.[/quote]
    _________________________
    ok wow how is this episode supposed to be before 316 when the losties are already on the island lol and some of you guys are confusing unconcious with in a coma cause he will wake up you know…and i dont think jack will be with dharma for like the 20 years he would have to wait for ethan to be old enough to even start studying surgery and that would be after the purge anyhow

  176. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="322319"]Tonight’s Ep is before 316. Ben is still concious. The pilot and a woman left in one of the boats as said. Ceasar spoke of looking in the buildings that he had seen and was looking in them in 316.[/quote]

    Perhaps. But what you see as evidence for BEFORE, I see as evidence as AFTER! LOL.

    a) Ben is conscious in Namaste. Is it because he woke UP from being in the sick bay and is better, or because he hasn’t yet been whacked in the head by Sun and PUT in the sick bay?

    b) The pilot and a woman left in one of the outriggers “in the middle of the night” was this BEFORE we saw Sun follow Ben (and Frank follow Sun) or AFTER?

    c) Caesar mentioned buildings in Namaste. He said he SAW them, not that he was IN them. He might have explored them first and THEN told people about them, or he might explore them AFTER what happened in Namaste.

    So yeah, I am not convinced.

    : ) P

  177. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="322327"][quote comment="322319"]Tonight’s Ep is before 316. Ben is still concious. The pilot and a woman left in one of the boats as said. Ceasar spoke of looking in the buildings that he had seen and was looking in them in 316.[/quote]

    Perhaps. But what you see as evidence for BEFORE, I see as evidence as AFTER!

    LOL.

    a) Ben is conscious in Namaste. Is it because he woke UP from being in the sick bay and is better, or because he hasn’t yet been whacked in the head by Sun and PUT in the sick bay?

    b) The pilot and a woman left in one of the outriggers “in the middle of the night” was this BEFORE we saw Sun follow Ben (and Frank follow Sun) or AFTER?

    c) Caesar mentioned buildings in Namaste. He said he SAW them, not that he was IN them. He might have explored them first and THEN told people about them, or he might explore them AFTER what happened in Namaste.

    So yeah, I am not convinced.

    : ) P[/quote]
    +++++++++++++++++
    Ahh yes…LOST ambiguity.

  178. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="322326"]ok wow how is this episode supposed to be before 316 when the losties are already on the island lol and some of you guys are confusing unconcious with in a coma cause he will wake up you know.[/quote]

    I don’t think DharmaGreg meant the whole episode happened before, but rather the events of the people on the beach (as discussed above).

    By the way, we’re making an error which is my fault. Earlier I said X happened in “316” when in fact, the exchanges between Ilana and Caesar and John (and visiting Ben in the sick bay) happened in TLaDoJB.

    : ) P

  179. Hammer says:

    Kimmel’s LOST secret of the night….Jin, “Everytime you see a book on Lost, it’s a prop.” LOL.

  180. lostjeff says:

    Jack as a workman was a good Sawyer plant. Wasn’t Ben’s drunk Dad also a workman? Maybe Jack and Ben’s Dad will go on a bender together complaining about how under valued they are.

  181. PJSander says:

    I rewatched the scene with Christian, Frank and Sun in the rec room (or recruit intake room). I definitely saw BLACK smoke when the wind opened the door (as Sun was looking at the 1977 photo). I did NOT see an extra person in the scene. Of course, my TiVo is not hi-def, so that phantom person others have mentioned could have been in the outside edges which my TiVo did not pick up.

    : ) P

  182. DharmaGreg says:

    [quote comment="322327"][quote comment="322319"]Tonight’s Ep is before 316. Ben is still concious. The pilot and a woman left in one of the boats as said. Ceasar spoke of looking in the buildings that he had seen and was looking in them in 316.[/quote]

    Perhaps. But what you see as evidence for BEFORE, I see as evidence as AFTER!

    LOL.

    a) Ben is conscious in Namaste. Is it because he woke UP from being in the sick bay and is better, or because he hasn’t yet been whacked in the head by Sun and PUT in the sick bay?

    b) The pilot and a woman left in one of the outriggers “in the middle of the night” was this BEFORE we saw Sun follow Ben (and Frank follow Sun) or AFTER?

    c) Caesar mentioned buildings in Namaste. He said he SAW them, not that he was IN them. He might have explored them first and THEN told people about them, or he might explore them AFTER what happened in Namaste.

    So yeah, I am not convinced.

    : ) P[/quote]

    ———–

    I am NEVER convinced when it comes to this show. For all we know, there have been a bunch of babies named Ethan. Maybe he was a twin and Juliet and Amy kept it a secret. Maybe polar bears took the outriggers over to the island?

    But seriously, it’s gonna take more than one paddle whack to leave Ben in the shape we saw him in at the end of Jeremy Bentham. I think someone or something else got to him.

  183. Hammer says:

    Bedtime for Bonzo.

    IF Sun has to redeem herself to the island beforfe she can get back to Jin…do you think she had to kill someone? Who?

  184. PJSander says:

    Well *if* the little red-headed girl with the English accent from 1974 WAS actually Charlotte, I think we can rule out the Charlotte-is-Annie scenario.

    I am really liking the idea that Ben recruits Juliet in 2001, because teenage Ben was crushing on 1977 Juliet. It would also make Harper’s “you look just like her” mean something pertinent.

    Maybe JULIET is Jacob.

    LOL.

    : ) P

  185. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="322338"]Bedtime for Bonzo.

    IF Sun has to redeem herself to the island beforfe she can get back to Jin…do you think she had to kill someone? Who?[/quote]
    ++++++++++
    Wow really is bedtime. Try again:

    IF Sun has to redeem herself to the island before she can get back to Jin…do you think she has to kill someone? Who?

  186. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="322340"]
    IF Sun has to redeem herself to the island before she can get back to Jin…do you think she has to kill someone? Who?[/quote]

    Maybe whatever she has to do is why she and Frank take the outrigger in the middle of the night?

    Does anyone else think that the week goes by a lot more quickly when LOST is in the middle? I know last week DRAGGED and now I can’t believe that it is already THURSDAY!

    : ) P

  187. Jane says:

    Tarzan? Tarzan!?

    I think it is time for a LOST for Dummies recap please?

  188. adapa1 says:

    I wrote earlier:
    #5. I’m holding my ground with Hammer and agreeing that it was the same runway that Bens half of the plane landed on(the same one he had kate and sawyer build) I think this issue will be prove to be important when they show us the use of “bens” time machine on the island (i’m sure there is another one on the island)

    Ben can’t wait to get back to the Island because that’s where the time machine is.
    I’m tellin you this explains most of his actoins.

    I see no reason why they can’t put a bullet in little bens head now. If he can’t die…we’ll then at least we tried!!!! ;-)

  189. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="322340"][quote comment="322338"]Bedtime for Bonzo.

    IF Sun has to redeem herself to the island beforfe she can get back to Jin…do you think she had to kill someone? Who?[/quote]
    ++++++++++
    Wow really is bedtime. Try again:

    IF Sun has to redeem herself to the island before she can get back to Jin…do you think she has to kill someone? Who?[/quote]
    +++++++++++
    I think she has to make up for killing Colleen Pickett.

  190. Vaughn K says:

    did anyone notice besides me that at the start of the episode when they were showing the ajira flight before they got over the island it was night and when they flew over the island after the white flash it was broad daylight. this proves (like we didnt know for sure already) that there is a time lapse on the island so who knows how much it is now since the O6 left.

  191. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="322237"]
    So young Ben can’t get info on the future until the folks from 2007 get back to 1977…if they were going to be ‘logical’ with it.[/quote]
    Wait….what? Ben from 1977 knew Sayid’s name when he delivered the St. Paddy’s Day special ( corned beef methinks ). Jack and Kate gave their REAL names to DI for some dumb reason, not sure about Hurley; but, these people were alive in the real world at the time and “keeping tabs” on people seems to be a priority of his.
    [quote comment="322312"]
    Well, they arrived on the main island at night, so maybe left at dusk?[/quote]
    Left the little island
    [/quote]
    That was the BIGGEST little island I have ever seen. :) Twice the size of Alcatraz? It didn’t look like it during the 316 crash, but probably more LOST ambiguity.

  192. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="322306"]So whether it happened before or after, she is NOT describing what we saw tonight, because Frank and Sun very clearly left in the daytime.
    [/quote]
    What if Ilana is a plant, as suggested by many, and is lying about the time. She sure recovered better than the previous marshall.

  193. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="322336"]

    I am NEVER convinced when it comes to this show. For all we know, there have been a bunch of babies named Ethan. Maybe he was a twin and Juliet and Amy kept it a secret. Maybe polar bears took the outriggers over to the island?

    But seriously, it’s gonna take more than one paddle whack to leave Ben in the shape we saw him in at the end of Jeremy Bentham. I think someone or something else got to him.[/quote]
    Sun knocked the sht outta Ben. Did you see the size of that paddle? He was out of commission long enough for Sun and Lapidus to “outrig”. IMO, at the end of TLaDoJB, he was playing a role similar to Henry Gale.

    I hope the chat of more than one Ethan ends but I am sure it wont.:) Again JMO.

  194. How has nobody commented on this yet? What they hell did Kate say to sawyer when he was walking away, right after jin left (after the commercial break — 12 minute mark for those with Tivo)???

    It sounded like:

    “I live in u jin, weltz is still here.”

    What the eff was that?

  195. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="322363"]How has nobody commented on this yet? What they hell did Kate say to sawyer when he was walking away, right after jin left (after the commercial break — 12 minute mark for those with Tivo)???

    It sounded like:

    “I live in u jin, weltz is still here.”

    What the eff was that?[/quote]
    Not really sure either, was that a piglatin response in regarding to what he whispered to Kate on the chopper, just before jumping?

  196. Freddy says:

    mmm its good ,

    Keep going

  197. Bob says:

    “Other than you and Jin…Who else is still here?”

  198. lola says:

    after watching it again:

    sayid still has his hand cuffs on when jin finds him. why would a hostile be running around in hand cuffs?

    what’s with ben popping up like michael meyers or jason in the woods?

  199. poopy pants says:

    -Ben has already killed Penny I think.
    -But wheres Desmond?
    -We now have 3 paralell time lines.
    -1977 with Sawyer,Kate,Jack,Hurley ect.
    -1997 with Sun,Adult Ben,Locke and Lapedis.
    -2007ish with Penny,Desmond,Widmore and the people left on the island when locke moved it(Rose,Bernard ect)
    – I thought Radzinski had a glass eyeball?
    remember that?
    -Loved seeing the muppet show on one of the survailance tv screens,lol,classic.
    -I bet little Ben Linus put a .45 semiauto in the sandwich bag he gave Sayid,lol,”no mustard” he says.

  200. poopy pants says:

    -How many times is Locke going to let Ben try to kill him or actually kill him? for God sakes John,he’s got the drop on you at least twice now,you might as well finish him off while he’s knocked out on the beach.
    -And speaking of death … it looks like LaFleur and the gang have at least 15-20 years to go before the “purge”

  201. DIana says:

    I disagree with #133. Jack was a great leader. Like he said he got them off the island. Sawyer has done a great job so far but I think he will back to his old ways of being selfish. Then Jack will have to take the role of leader to safe everyone.

  202. Rita says:

    [quote comment="322306"]This doesn’t help us determine WHEN it happened but from TLaDoJB:

    ILANA: I’m Ilana.

    LOCKE: [Thumbing to himself] John. [Thumbing behind him] Are those your boats?

    [Various crash survivors comb through two outrigger canoes pulled safely up on the beach.]

    ILANA: No. They were already here. There used to be three, but the pilot and some woman took one. Didn’t tell anyone, just ran off in the middle of the night.
    – – – – –
    So whether it happened before or after, she is NOT describing what we saw tonight, because Frank and Sun very clearly left in the daytime.

    : ) P[/quote]
    _______________________________________
    Well, WE saw them leave in the daylight, but arrive in the night. Ben was knocked out, so by the time he woke up, it may have been night time – he goes back to the crash site and tells everyone that the “pilot and some woman” took off in the outriggers. They probably didn’t pay much attention to who was where, when, so they took his word for it (JMO).
    Speaking of it being night back at Dharmaville – we saw a light on in the building before Christian came out, so why the darkness and flashlights when they go in? Why not just turn on the light? :)

  203. mcotter says:

    [quote comment="322363"]How has nobody commented on this yet? What they hell did Kate say to sawyer when he was walking away, right after jin left (after the commercial break — 12 minute mark for those with Tivo)???

    It sounded like:

    “I live in u jin, weltz is still here.”

    What the eff was that?[/quote]

    I never noticed that, this really is one of the most odd things I’ve seen in Lost, its completely messed up have no idea what they are saying, i detest the idea of parallel timelines don’t understand why people can’t except the whole what happened happened thesis, everything we are seeing is technically a flashback (keeping the general idea of the show the same as it has always been), i hate the idea of two ethan’s and what is so difficult about the whole ben, sun and frank story, we know that a pilot and a woman go off together, only one pilot so that must be Frank, we know that him and Sun are together we know they’re about to take a boat and we knew that Ben was injured, now we know Sun whacks him on the head with an ore, these events must have taken place not long before TLADOJB, all the evidence apart from the night thing leads to that conclusion, maybe Lapidus dis go off in the night and Sun and Ben were waling for a long time, i suppose it is a possibility that Sun and Frank are going to carry Ben back to camp then run off again and get on a boat, but what would be the point they are already right next to it (would just be wasting time) and this would put tonights episode even further before the events of TLADOJB, Ceaser has just mentioned the building we then see him in the buildings in TLADOJB last nights episode definitley took place before that episode

  204. Nikki says:

    [quote comment="322089"][quote comment="322083"][quote comment="322080"][quote comment="322066"]

    I’m sticking with my original theory that the boy will be Ethan. Come on, i want to be right about something :)

    I’m not to keen on the above Ben pic. Something is off about it[/quote]
    I like the idea of Ethan being the boy ever since shellonious funk mentioned it in the last thread. I am what it will prove though. ___________________________________________

    yeah, i agree, if it is Ethan ,it’s pretty anti-climatic cuz so what? other than how did he go from the dharma clan to the others.[/quote]
    *************************************************

    Right, What do we know about him

    1. Surgeon

    2. Employee of Mittelos Bioscience

    3. Joined Richard Alpert in convincing Juliet to join their organization (off island)

    4. Ethan worked with Goodwin in the Tempest

    5. His wife and baby died from “complications” on the island

    6. Ethan took Claire the Staff to perform a Cesarean section in order to take Aaron

    7. Killed by Charlie then his body was buried by Hurley and Charlie

    nothing really stands out as significant[/quote]
    ///////////////////////////////////////////

    #3 comment that’s why he went back to convince Juliet to come to the Island.

  205. Jane says:

    [quote comment="322390"]
    -We now have 3 paralell time lines.
    -1977 with Sawyer,Kate,Jack,Hurley ect.
    -1997 with Sun,Adult Ben,Locke and Lapedis.
    -2007ish with Penny,Desmond,Widmore and the people left on the island when locke moved it(Rose,Bernard ect)[/quote]

    Sun, Ben, Locke and Frank are in 2007. The screen said, “Thirty years earlier” and took us to 1977.

    Ostensibly, the A8 (Sun, Jack, Kate, Sayid, Hurley, Locke, Ben and Frank) boarded the plane in early 2008. We haven’t been told EXACTLY when, and “three years” is an ambiguous time, so it is possible it was late 2007, which means that the AA crash either time traveled a LITTLE bit or it crashed in “real” time (same as off island time).

    : ) P

  206. LizS says:

    [quote comment="322413"]I disagree with #133. Jack was a great leader. Like he said he got them off the island. Sawyer has done a great job so far but I think he will back to his old ways of being selfish. Then Jack will have to take the role of leader to safe everyone.[/quote]
    I don’t think Sawyer is going to be selfish. He has acquired a purpose–protect his peops, and wait for John Locke. So now that John Locke is dead, or so they think, Sawyer will have to adjust. There’s still so much we don’t know about Dharma–the building of the Swan, what Daniel thinks it all means, where D is and what he’s doing.

    I think Sawyer will protect his peops–love the ‘new’ Sawyer, so far the most changed person in this show! But if Jack goes against him, I think all bets are off, as they declared more or less between them.

    I think we haven’t seen the unfolding of how Jack has changed just yet, but I love that scene between the two of them, where Sawyer gets all ‘you suck as a leader’ on him, and Jack sort of just, accepts it. Relieved.

    He’s letting go of things, bit by bit. We’ll see how that works for him…

    Which is not to say that I don’t think Jack is Leader material–he’s got that in him. He’s hooked into a different vibe now, though. A more Locke-ian, zen thing.

    Until next week when they come to blows and kill each other, LOL!

  207. LizS says:

    KUDOS–to the Hammer et. al on the runway!
    And to the Ethan-ites.

    Pretty freaky on Ethan–

    IMO–this ep was before the other crash ep.

    Smokey and Christian, an unholy alliance. I’m not filled with confidence in Christian’s ‘long journey’ for Sun. Is that going to be ‘through’ time? What must she be thinking??? seeing that photo? And holy smokes he was corporeal in this one–couldn’t help John up, but could pick a photo off the wall to show Sun. What a gentleman!

    I can’t imagine why Sun and Frank weren’t sent back in time with the rest–well, maybe. Maybe there’s a little Sun in Dharma? Maybe she has to do something in the now that will help the rest get back?

    re: Ben knowing things–I’m not sure he’s got all the pieces–he always looks like he does, that he has like, four or five up on anyone else, but the time-thing, would he get that just yet? Maybe he will, but I don’t think he does right now. IMO

    best, Liz

  208. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="322427"]i hate the idea of two ethan’s [/quote]

    I concede that it is likely that Amy’s Ethan does grow up to be Ethan Rom. If so, the guy ages VERY poorly, and I won’t like it, but I concede that it is likely.

    However, there is a great case for it NOT being the same person. LOST is one of very few shows that do have more than one character with the same name.

    Charles Widmore
    Charlie Pace
    Charlie Hume

    Charlotte Lewis
    Charlotte Malkin

    Tom Brennan
    Thomas (Aaron’s father)
    Tom Friendly
    Tom (the name AnaLucia used for Christian in Australia)
    Tommy (Charlie’s drug dealer)

    John Locke
    Jack (nickname for John) Shepherd

    Frank Duckett
    Frank Lapidus

    Daniel Faraday
    Danny Pickett
    (Danielle Rousseau if you want an extra tie)

    Michael Dawson
    Mikhail Bakunin

    Sarah Shepherd
    Sarah (the nickname Christian used for AnaLucia in Australia)

    So, it wouldn’t be unprecedented that LOST has two Ethan’s. I’m just saying…

    : ) P

  209. LizS says:

    re: Runway–though, if it turns out that Jacob is someone we know, and he traveled through time, and knew he’d be on a plane in ’07, he’d be sure to tell his Others to get busy with a runway in ’04!

  210. LizS says:

    Hey, what was the name Ilana said when Caesar woke her up after the crash? Sarah? Anybody hear that?

  211. DIana says:

    I think Lapius didn’t flash because he isn’t part of the O6. Hawking never said Lapius had to return. I think sun didn’t flash because she did something wrong. My best guess is she didn’t bring her baby with her. Since she was conceived on the island. Kate is not aarons mom and he wasn’t conceived on the island that is why Kate was “allowed” to flash.

  212. RGS says:

    [quote comment="322359"] Wait….what? Ben from 1977 knew Sayid’s name when he delivered the St. Paddy’s Day special ( corned beef methinks ). Jack and Kate gave their REAL names to DI for some dumb reason, not sure about Hurley; but, these people were alive in the real world at the time and “keeping tabs” on people seems to be a priority of his.
    [quote]

    When I posted that I wasn’t taking into consideration the potential of Ben having a separate means to TT. By “info on the future” I was referencing the need to build a runway. How does that information get to young Ben, in order for him to retain it, so that he knows, I need to have a runway built.

  213. RGS says:

    Sun and Frank weren’t flashed back to the past because they couldn’t recreate everything close enough, therefore the result of the flight became unpredictable, as stated by Daniel’s mother Ms. Hawkings.

  214. Mia says:

    Not as exciting of an episode as I anticipated – maybe because I’ve been reading this blog and everyone is SO RIGHT ON with their theories that it loses the wow factor! You guys are good…

    Here are some of my thoughts:

    1) The exchange between Sawyer and Jack at Sawyer’s house was the most interesting (and perhaps the most telling) scene of the episode. The roles have definitely switched with Sawyer (and Juliet) now being in control as opposed to Jack (and Kate). Loved Sawyers comment about thinking vs. reacting. I have to admit I like the role reversal. Sawyer is definitely more strategic than Jack ever was.
    2) Why is Sun the only one of the O6 Losties that didn’t arrive in 1977? This is a real stretch but maybe child Sun is living is on the island in 1977? Maybe you can’t crash back to a time where you exist on the island? Sun’s father has ties to Widmore and the Hanso Foundation. Maybe Sun was born there? That’s why Ben isn’t there either.
    3) As for Daniel, maybe he left the island on the sub to go back to the mainland to study up more on time travel and figure out a way to save Charlotte? This would have to be after he was in the Orchid Station with Pierre.
    4) I think Ben has a general idea of what time period they are in because after Caesar mentioned the animal cages the look on Ben’s face was like “aha, I know when I am”; then he proceeded to the boat.

  215. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="322442"]Hey, what was the name Ilana said when Caesar woke her up after the crash? Sarah? Anybody hear that?[/quote]
    She said Sayid’s last name.

  216. Hammer says:

    I like the idea of Dan going back to the mainland via the sub, just trying to fit it into the timeline. It would be before concious traveling Des right? Maybe there is a small Dan roaming around in the seventies on the island?

  217. RGS says:

    IMO, I’m 98% sure the events in Namaste, with Frank, Sun & Ben, took place before TL&DoJB conversation with Locke and Ceasar & Ilana.

    Ran off in the night could’ve just been when they discovered unconscious Ben, and brought him back, thereby assuming the two ran off in the night.

    It would seem that Ben had to have been brought back unconscious because he seemed prepared to take off in the outrigger by himself, what would prevent him from going through with one of the remaining boats?

    So I’m hoping that they don’t say Ben told them or someone that stuff before he “passed out” again.

  218. mcotter says:

    was thinking more about what Kate says to sawyer “I live in new inn jin wiltz is still here” and agree with what someone else said earlier, I think it has something to do with what was said on the helicopter what we believe is to do with Sawyer’s daughter and that she found her, which to her surprise would have been the daughter of her old pal Cassidy, the message she says to Sawyer is a code or something that only the two know but i don’t know what is said “I live in Newinjin, Wiltz is still here” absolutely no idea whats going on there

  219. Bobola says:

    I’ve been watching LOST online now for a while but the big problem I have is now I’m developing a terrible addiction to Lay’s Potato chips from the repeating commercials they show.
    Any one else have that problem?
    And then I goto the store and they are out of BBQ flavor…and I have to settle for regular. Man, do I got problems.

    Ok, neat how Ben took off his sling as if his arm was healed now and how he just took it in stride like he expected it.
    Surprised how devious Sun is; I think she will outsmart herself. Ben turning his back on her was a dumb move.
    So cool that Jack is now a janitor…ha. But what will Hurley be? Ballast for the sub.
    And it’s a little hard to believe the Pilot would leave his people behind and go off with Sun; it really goes against the code. But the at least one of those guys looked like a gang banger.
    Several of the Dharma guys would certainly deserve the title of Hostile; they sure have a lot of anger boiling just below the surface; gonna be trouble there.
    I’m gonna hate Kate if she breaks up Sawyer’s love story…she’s bad news.
    So, after the other crash survivors find the canoes and make it to the island too…what will Christian do? Do they then join the Others as Dharma is killed off by then. They have no need/desire to go to 1977.
    I’m betting Jin beats on Jack’s ass for bringing Sun back. Aint gonna be pretty.
    Loved the suspense in this episode.

  220. shellonius funk says:

    HOLY EPISODE! this season has rocked so far.

    ok…dirt runway….couldn’t they have at LEAST cgi-ed some dust clouds when they landed?!

    so yeah…this ep takes place before 316; that’s LOST’s style…reveal huge things and then go back and fill in the pieces.

    so i get that ethan is SUPPOSED to be an other; amy was SUPPOSED to be kidnapped, etc.
    but i wonder if the key player here is more AMY than ethan. she certainly wasn’t pregnant when they tried to take her. maybe they just need women, and she was in their territory? or close enough?

    i wish ben hadn’t gotten knocked out because i’m curious what his plan/reaction would’ve been about john’s coffin. maybe we will get to find out…since it’s night time on the beach when we first see locke.

    rita…i liked your comment about christian having the lights on just to turn them off :-)

    also…jin wasn’t even in the pic that he showed kate [...i checked]…it was just a pic of new recruits. but i guess that’s enough for sun?
    i’m even more convinced now that she and jin are adam and eve. and that eve/sun was the xray of the lady in her 20s with a uterus that jules guessed was a 70 year old woman’s. the only way that can happen is if she DOES go back in time. that would make her uterus already close to 30 when she goes back in time.

  221. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="322458"]was thinking more about what Kate says to sawyer “I live in new inn jin wiltz is still here” and agree with what someone else said earlier, I think it has something to do with what was said on the helicopter what we believe is to do with Sawyer’s daughter and that she found her, which to her surprise would have been the daughter of her old pal Cassidy, the message she says to Sawyer is a code or something that only the two know but i don’t know what is said “I live in Newinjin, Wiltz is still here” absolutely no idea whats going on there[/quote]

    As Bob said in post 197:

    “Other than you and Jin… Who else is still here?”

    : ) P

  222. Jacque says:

    Was it just me or did Jack give something away by saying i’m going to see James. The guy just seemed to have a strange look as Jack walked away

  223. sector7 says:

    First off: credit where credit is due to hammer for seeing the runway.

    Now, lets talk timelines and course correction. Original timeline Amy was not saved by Sawyer et al. Giving birth to Ethan in Dharmatown is a course correction (ninny mentions this in post 147). Original timeline losties were not in the ’77 photo. Now being in the ’77 photo is a course correction. The idea of being ‘photoshopped in’ is accurate in describing course corrections.

    I have thought Ben knows future events ever since I watched the ep “The Other Woman”. However, it could also be that Jacob told them to build the runway.

    I think some went to ’77 and some did not because that is the way the island wants it. Jack, Kate and Hugo were transported to ’77 for a reason. Sun and Frank are meant to take another path. I imagine Locke and Ben (along with our new chars) will follow Sun and Frank, consult with Christian, and the losties will all reunite somehow.

    First thing I thought when Sayid met little Ben: Sayid wants to kill little Ben.

  224. mcotter says:

    [quote comment="322463"]
    As Bob said in post 197:

    “Other than you and Jin… Who else is still here?”

    : ) P[/quote]

    Oh thank you feel rather silly

  225. sector7 says:

    More on Ethan: Course corrected Ethan is born in ’77. That makes him 24 y.o. in 2001, when Juliet gets recruited to the island (too young to be a doctor at that point), and 27 in 2004 when 815 crashes. I think originally Amy was taken to the hostiles and made pregnant soon after. So in the original timeline he was born in ’74/’75. This means that events will not play out the same way now. Certain things you can’t change, but some things do. Just like how Desmond changed how Charlie would die.

  226. Passenger 8 says:

    In season 2 Ben gives Michael a list of Losties to bring back to him, Jack, Kate, Hurley and Sawyer. Is it a coincident that these were the only members of the Losties that were part of Dharma in 1977 and that Jack, Kate and Hurley were on the 1977 photo?

    Nice to see Ben and Sayid switched rolls from season 2 as well. Ben is on the other side of the cell, while Sayid is pretending to be someone he is not.

    I believe when Ilana states that the pilot and a women leave in the middle of the night, that is either the second time they leave the small island or that is what Ben told her after they found him injured from the blow to the head. Not that Ben has lied before.

    Since it went from night to day when the airplane dropped from the sky, I believe the island is not completely in sink with the time off the island. It is at a minimum of a couple of hours difference.

  227. lola says:

    for the record Ben says to Sun-“… there are 3 outriggers hidden…”

  228. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="322475"]In season 2 Ben gives Michael a list of Losties to bring back to him, Jack, Kate, Hurley and Sawyer. Is it a coincident that these were the only members of the Losties that were part of Dharma in 1977 *snip*?[/quote]

    Jin?

    : ) P

  229. Passenger 8 says:

    [quote comment="322477"][quote comment="322475"]In season 2 Ben gives Michael a list of Losties to bring back to him, Jack, Kate, Hurley and Sawyer. Is it a coincident that these were the only members of the Losties that were part of Dharma in 1977 *snip*?[/quote]

    Jin?

    : ) P[/quote]
    You got me on that one…

  230. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="322474"]More on Ethan: Course corrected Ethan is born in ’77. That makes him 24 y.o. in 2001, when Juliet gets recruited to the island (too young to be a doctor at that point), and 27 in 2004 when 815 crashes. I think originally Amy was taken to the hostiles and made pregnant soon after. So in the original timeline he was born in ’74/’75. quote]
    ++++++++++
    Unless Ethan was born in 1977, finished Highschool in 1995, 4 years college, 8 years med school, some time as a Doctor from 2007 2017 or a little later. Then he time travels back to the island before 2001 to join the others. He goes with Richard to recrute Juliette in 2001. This would explain why he is so much older when we see him shoot Locke and try to infiltrate the Losties camp in 2004.

  231. jaime says:

    [quote comment="322334"]I rewatched the scene with Christian, Frank and Sun in the rec room (or recruit intake room). I definitely saw BLACK smoke when the wind opened the door (as Sun was looking at the 1977 photo). I did NOT see an extra person in the scene. Of course, my TiVo is not hi-def, so that phantom person others have mentioned could have been in the outside edges which my TiVo did not pick up.

    : ) P[/quote]
    ****************************************************
    Here is a screen cap of it
    Clair or production error???
    http://www.getlostpodcastmedia.com/2009/03/19/lost-episode-5%C3%9709-%E2%80%9Cnamaste%E2%80%9D-screencaps-easter-eggs-audio-analysis/

    [quote comment="322285"][quote comment="322282"]Ethan definitely leaves the island unless there is some wayward Medical school there like on the island of Grenada. He was probably recruited to come back to the island by Ben and/or Richard. “You were the last child born on the island we need your help” type scenario.[/quote]

    Or Ben saves all the “children” (including Ethan) by handing them over to Alpert prior to the purge. He would consider them innocent.

    Still not sure that Amy’s Ethan is Ethan Rom. This may be this season’s “Charlie” for me! LOL

    : ) P[/quote]
    ***********************************************

    First though….YES i was right
    Second thought….is it really Ethan or is it another Ethan damn
    What year was it when he recruited Juliet. Wasn’t he also Juliet’s sisters nurse/doctor?
    Maybe he had something to do with the bus that killed her husband as well

    Other question

    Radzinsky was building a model of the Swan. Why did Chang have a Swan lab coat on then in the “welcome to the island” video

  232. shellonius funk says:

    good catch circus mom; ethan would’ve had to be in his teens shooting locke. guess that should’ve clued us in that he was a time-traveler.

    does anyone have screen shots of smokey at christian’s door or the “animal” that was rustling just before they went in?
    gallery.lost-media has some great ones, but they tend to miss a few must-see shots.

  233. DocH says:

    In 1974, Alpert knows that Sawyer is flashing thru time. Sawyer gets promoted to Security boss in the following years. Do they have a (wink-wink, nudge-nudge) working relationship in-place that keeps the peace? Old Sayid stepped in line right away when he got the raised eyebrow routine from Sawyer – Just admit that you are a hostile….

    So, if 1977 Sawyer and Alpert are in-cahoots, is young Ben part of the cult of silence at this point? It seems odd that tweener Ben can just stroll into a holding cell toting a sandwich, then close the door behind him and strike-up a conversation with prisoner Sayid. Unless, Alpert and Sawyer already had Ben in the fold.
    Ben: “Are you a hostile?”
    Sayid: “Do you think I am?”
    (I think… Ben already knows the answer to that. Come on! It’s Ben. Even at twelve, he ‘has a plan’.)

  234. jaime says:

    [quote comment="322480"][quote comment="322334"]I rewatched the scene with Christian, Frank and Sun in the rec room (or recruit intake room). I definitely saw BLACK smoke when the wind opened the door (as Sun was looking at the 1977 photo). I did NOT see an extra person in the scene. Of course, my TiVo is not hi-def, so that phantom person others have mentioned could have been in the outside edges which my TiVo did not pick up.

    : ) P[/quote]
    ****************************************************
    Here is a screen cap of it
    Clair or production error???
    http://www.getlostpodcastmedia.com/2009/03/19/lost-episode-5%C3%9709-%E2%80%9Cnamaste%E2%80%9D-screencaps-easter-eggs-audio-analysis/

    ********************************************8

    Here is another screencap with a video as well

    http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/2009/03/episode-5×09-who-is-this-mysterious.html

    I think it would be interesting to believe it is Clair but most likely production error

  235. DocH says:

    About NAMASTE being Ben-centric…

    I am going with the anagram theme for

    Ben = ME SATAN (NAMASTE).

  236. jaime says:

    [quote comment="322490"]http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/2009/03/episode-5×09-who-is-this-mysterious.html

    Let try that again…[/quote]
    ***************************************

    $H!T well you can go to Dark Ufo and see the screencap and video of the “smoke” when the door opens and the “girl”

  237. Miraks says:

    [quote comment="322239"]Questions still unanswered in my muddled head…

    — How does Ben know where the boats are. He doesn’t even know what year they’re in. (Does he??)

    [/quote]

    1. I think that is where they have always hidden a few extra boats (he does say there are three of them). Remeber when Alex was helping Kate and Sawyer (and Carl) flee the little island she led them to the beach to hidden boats, too.

    2. Sun and Lapidus seemed to leave during the day, but arrived on the big island at night. Maybe that is why that woman said they took off at night? I remember someone (I think it was Lapidus during his first time on the island) that the light on the island was “strange”, so maybe they left closer to dusk?

  238. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="322484"]I think it would be interesting to believe it is Clair but most likely production error[/quote]

    The link to the second screencap did not work for me.

    I think that *if* there is a woman in the background, it must be an error. If we were meant to see a woman in the background it would not be so ambiguous. I don’t think it is a woman, I think it is just a pile of junk. LOL.

    Regardless, it is *NOT* Claire. Emilie de Ravin will not be in ANY episodes this season.

    : ) P

  239. RGS says:

    [quote comment="322479"][quote comment="322474"]More on Ethan: Course corrected Ethan is born in ’77. That makes him 24 y.o. in 2001, when Juliet gets recruited to the island (too young to be a doctor at that point), and 27 in 2004 when 815 crashes. I think originally Amy was taken to the hostiles and made pregnant soon after. So in the original timeline he was born in ’74/’75. quote]
    ++++++++++
    Unless Ethan was born in 1977, finished Highschool in 1995, 4 years college, 8 years med school, some time as a Doctor from 2007 2017 or a little later. Then he time travels back to the island before 2001 to join the others. He goes with Richard to recrute Juliette in 2001. This would explain why he is so much older when we see him shoot Locke and try to infiltrate the Losties camp in 2004.[/quote]

    Yet another explanation (though I’m not necessarily saying it is the explanation) is that Ethan is schooled on the island, is a prodigy, finishes his high school education by age 14 (what else does he have to do on that island but be the “Dharma material” good ole Dad believes him to be), college by 17, med school by 21, residency 25, recruiting/butchering unsuspecting victims by 27…

  240. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="322494"]The link to the second screencap did not work for me.

    I think that *if* there is a woman in the background, it must be an error. If we were meant to see a woman in the background it would not be so ambiguous. I don’t think it is a woman, I think it is just a pile of junk. LOL.

    Regardless, it is *NOT* Claire. Emilie de Ravin will not be in ANY episodes this season.

    : ) P[/quote]

    Here is the HD screencap of the same frame with Sun.

    http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=126286&fullsize=1

    Still think that is a woman? LOL

    : ) P

  241. NIc says:

    [quote comment="322458"]was thinking more about what Kate says to sawyer “I live in new inn jin wiltz is still here” and agree with what someone else said earlier, I think it has something to do with what was said on the helicopter what we believe is to do with Sawyer’s daughter and that she found her, which to her surprise would have been the daughter of her old pal Cassidy, the message she says to Sawyer is a code or something that only the two know but i don’t know what is said “I live in Newinjin, Wiltz is still here” absolutely no idea whats going on there[/quote]

  242. Miraks says:

    Faraday is not “with us anymore”:

    1. He left on a sub.

    2. The scene we saw with him getting close to the donkey wheel happened b/w 74 and 77, and he managed to leave the island that way.

    MY THEORY
    3. He decided to “jump the fence” and joined up with the Hostiles instead. He is with Alpert and co. for now, but will appear to Charlotte as the “crazy, bearded guy” that tells her not to come back- kind of how Alpert first appeared to Ben. That is why she recalls him AS the “crazy, bearded guy”, and not by his name. (I assume that all the Dharmas would know each other).

  243. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="322501"][quote comment="322494"]The link to the second screencap did not work for me.

    I think that *if* there is a woman in the background, it must be an error. If we were meant to see a woman in the background it would not be so ambiguous. I don’t think it is a woman, I think it is just a pile of junk. LOL.

    Regardless, it is *NOT* Claire. Emilie de Ravin will not be in ANY episodes this season.

    : ) P[/quote]

    Here is the HD screencap of the same frame with Sun.

    http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=126286&fullsize=1

    Still think that is a woman? LOL

    : ) P[/quote]
    +++++++++
    The first link jaime gave is wider and has a view of something to left of Sun…and I def. looks like a person. Not saying it is supposed to be there, but ‘something’ is there.

  244. Miraks says:

    [quote comment="322291"]

    so when sawyer and co. found the outriggers, they were on the big island, correct? they found two of them with ajira water bottles in them, and i don’t think they found them near any docks…so who else takes the outriggers over to the big island and what happens to them? poor ben, knocked unconcious on the beach, haha![/quote]

    My guess would be Locke with some of the people from this crash- Ceasar and marshall lady for sure, probably several others.

  245. Hammer says:

    The link in post 231, just above the 2nd ‘PJ Wrote’…that link works for me.

  246. Miraks says:

    Kate better stay away from Sawyer. They had a brief fling that lasted a few weeks at best, during which time she kept mooning over Jack. Sawyer and Juliette have been together for at least a couple years now. Kate needs to go away.

    A good sign- Sawyer called her Kate only last night- no nicknames, no “freckles”, just Kate.

  247. Miraks says:

    class of 1977 photo

    1. Juliette probably would not have noticed it. Seen it, but until you know about time travel, would you look at an old class picture and try to see if maybe these knew people you just met are the same people as the ones in some old photo? That, to me, would be highly unbelievable.

    2. I think my “photoshop” theory would work much better here :-)

  248. Cricketb says:

    Does anyone have a screen cap of when Ben pushed Locke into the Mass Grave of the Dharma people? Which names did Locke see on the dead Dharma people?

  249. LINS says:

    i thought it was funny when amy asked juliette if her and sawyer would have kids and she said (something to the effect of) maybe, when the timing’s right…wouldn’t that be funny if she ended up pregnant!

  250. wallyp says:

    Gotta find more on child Ben. How did he become the kid to deliver the sandwich? Are Sawyer and Juliet giving him special priveleges? Ben delivered that sandwich under Sawyers orders. I like what Doc H said about there being a “cult of silence”… thing happening. Sawyer is def feeling like he’s king of the island. He could def have an unspoken connection to both sides of the fence. I wanna know more about Sawyers interactions with Alpert and any other Dharma/Hostile relations taking place!

    BUT! Sayid is in this cell right now. I think he was the shinning star for the night. Does he have ANY FRIKEN IDEA what is going on? He’s just plaing it cool.
    The calmer he appears, the more likely he is to blow up like the Zohan. Does he know that Ben is Ben or what? I think likely Sawyer wont have any plan for helping Sayid, and so Sayid is going to have to help himself (help himself to a Ben sandwich with NO mustard!!!)

    seriously though… some how some of our characters must integrate with the Others in 1977. Especially Sayid… no way he’s staying on the Dharma compound for long. Its Zohan time.

    And Daniel, maybe he’s trying to find his way to Widmore.

  251. jaime says:

    [quote comment="322505"][quote comment="322501"][quote comment="322494"]The link to the second screencap did not work for me.

    I think that *if* there is a woman in the background, it must be an error. If we were meant to see a woman in the background it would not be so ambiguous. I don’t think it is a woman, I think it is just a pile of junk. LOL.

    Regardless, it is *NOT* Claire. Emilie de Ravin will not be in ANY episodes this season.

    : ) P[/quote]

    Here is the HD screencap of the same frame with Sun.

    http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=126286&fullsize=1

    Still think that is a woman? LOL

    : ) P[/quote]
    +++++++++
    The first link jaime gave is wider and has a view of something to left of Sun…and I def. looks like a person. Not saying it is supposed to be there, but ‘something’ is there.[/quote]
    *********************

    Ya I’m convinced its just a production person.
    Nothing more than that
    check it out here

    http://www.docarzt.com/lost/lost-easter-eggs/5×09-namaste-investigations/

  252. shellonius funk says:

    ugh…that link didn’t work.
    it was a shot of the mass grave.
    i will try to paste it in context and you can copy from there. gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season3/3×20-curtain/2/curtain-cap650.jpgOKIEDOKE

  253. jaime says:

    [quote comment="322521"][quote comment="322505"][quote comment="322501"][quote comment="322494"]The link to the second screencap did not work for me.

    I think that *if* there is a woman in the background, it must be an error. If we were meant to see a woman in the background it would not be so ambiguous. I don’t think it is a woman, I think it is just a pile of junk. LOL.

    Regardless, it is *NOT* Claire. Emilie de Ravin will not be in ANY episodes this season.

    : ) P[/quote]

    Here is the HD screencap of the same frame with Sun.

    http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=126286&fullsize=1

    Still think that is a woman? LOL

    : ) P[/quote]
    +++++++++
    The first link jaime gave is wider and has a view of something to left of Sun…and I def. looks like a person. Not saying it is supposed to be there, but ‘something’ is there.[/quote]
    *********************

    Ya I’m convinced its just a production person.
    Nothing more than that
    check it out here

    http://www.docarzt.com/lost/lost-easter-eggs/5×09-namaste-investigations/%5B/quote%5D
    ***********************************
    ha ha ha…ok i give up. :) There is a perfectly clear screenshot though of this. You can see the girl, either blond or redhead. Looks like her t-shirt has a few cards on it. Production error. end of story

  254. DocH says:

    ha ha ha…ok i give up. :) There is a perfectly clear screenshot though of this. You can see the girl, either blond or redhead. Looks like her t-shirt has a few cards on it. Production error. end of story
    ==========
    try http://is.gd/o0Z8 or is.gd/o0Z8

    it will tinyurl you to lostcubit.

    the image is brightened to pull the background actor into view. it could very easily be Claire, or a de’Ravin stand-in.

  255. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="322520"]Ben delivered that sandwich under Sawyers orders.[quote]

    That is a huge assumption. Nothing was said to verify that.

  256. lola says:

    [quote comment="322511"]Kate better stay away from Sawyer. They had a brief fling that lasted a few weeks at best, during which time she kept mooning over Jack. Sawyer and Juliette have been together for at least a couple years now. Kate needs to go away.

    A good sign- Sawyer called her Kate only last night- no nicknames, no “freckles”, just Kate.[/quote]
    ___________________________________________

    well did u see how he looked when she called him james?

  257. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="322532"]
    try http://is.gd/o0Z8 or is.gd/o0Z8

    it will tinyurl you to lostcubit.

    the image is brightened to pull the background actor into view. it could very easily be Claire, or a de’Ravin stand-in.[/quote]

    Thanks, DocH. Yes, I see the woman now. My thought is production error or at least a BAD easter egg.

    If it were meant to be Claire, they would have at least found a stand in with the right hairstyle.

    : ) P

  258. sector7 says:

    why didn’t sawyer ask kate if she had done as he asked?

  259. jaime says:

    [quote comment="322532"]ha ha ha…ok i give up. :) There is a perfectly clear screenshot though of this. You can see the girl, either blond or redhead. Looks like her t-shirt has a few cards on it. Production error. end of story
    ==========
    try http://is.gd/o0Z8 or is.gd/o0Z8

    it will tinyurl you to lostcubit.

    the image is brightened to pull the background actor into view. it could very easily be Claire, or a de’Ravin stand-in.[/quote]
    ****************************
    :) Thank you Doc!!!!
    Still thinking it production though

  260. sector7 says:

    Latest podcast reveals that Jacob told them to build the runway

  261. jaime says:

    [quote comment="322540"]why didn’t sawyer ask kate if she had done as he asked?[/quote]
    ***********************************************

    I’m thinking this has got to happen soon. Maybe in the next few eps. I mean it has to be about Clementine and you’d think he would be wondering if she accomplished what he wanted her to. Whether its to make sure she’s ok or taken care of. Guess we will see.

    So again, What do you all think about Radzinsky building the Swan model but Chang wearing a Swan lab coat in the orientation video that all the new recruits had to watch.

  262. jaime says:

    [quote comment="322547"]Latest podcast reveals that Jacob told them to build the runway[/quote]
    ************************
    Are we allowed to talk about Podcasts on this site because they also said WHO built the runway

  263. wallyp says:

    [quote comment="322535"][quote comment="322520"]Ben delivered that sandwich under Sawyers orders.[quote]

    That is a huge assumption. Nothing was said to verify that.[/quote]

    **********
    Richard Alperts orders then? maybe? Sawyer told somebody to bring the guy a sandwich. How did Ben end up on sandwich duty?

  264. DocH says:

    [quote]
    Still thinking it production though.
    [/quote]
    How does a camera-person, who operates a TV camera for a living, directors and assistant directors who direct TV shows for a living, and editors, who edit TV shows for a living, allow a technician to appear in a scene… on a show… that COMPLETELY RELIES… on the continuity of the product it puts forward every week? (aka. THEE most scrutinized TV show in history!)

    I am just guessing we were supposed to become embroiled on this issue – by design.

  265. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="322554"][quote comment="322535"][quote comment="322520"]Ben delivered that sandwich under Sawyers orders.[quote]

    That is a huge assumption. Nothing was said to verify that.[/quote]

    **********
    Richard Alperts orders then? maybe? Sawyer told somebody to bring the guy a sandwich. How did Ben end up on sandwich duty?[/quote]
    ___________________________
    Could have been Jacob or Ben’s mom that told him to do that. Or maybe no one told him to and he’s just doing it to find out more about a potential hostile.

  266. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="322553"][quote comment="322547"]Latest podcast reveals that Jacob told them to build the runway[/quote]
    ************************
    Are we allowed to talk about Podcasts on this site because they also said WHO built the runway[/quote]
    ______________________________
    It’s my understanding that podcasts are open for discussion. Was that way last season…

  267. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="322549"][quote comment="322540"]why didn’t sawyer ask kate if she had done as he asked?[/quote]
    ***********************************************

    I’m thinking this has got to happen soon. Maybe in the next few eps. I mean it has to be about Clementine and you’d think he would be wondering if she accomplished what he wanted her to. Whether its to make sure she’s ok or taken care of. Guess we will see.

    So again, What do you all think about Radzinsky building the Swan model but Chang wearing a Swan lab coat in the orientation video that all the new recruits had to watch.[/quote]
    ________________________
    Must be another ‘production error’

  268. jaime says:

    [quote comment="322555"][quote]
    Still thinking it production though.
    [/quote]
    How does a camera-person, who operates a TV camera for a living, directors and assistant directors who direct TV shows for a living, and editors, who edit TV shows for a living, allow a technician to appear in a scene… on a show… that COMPLETELY RELIES… on the continuity of the product it puts forward every week? (aka. THEE most scrutinized TV show in history!)

    I am just guessing we were supposed to become embroiled on this issue – by design.[/quote]
    ***********************************************

    True, its easy to see both possibilities. You make a great case for it being Clair or whoever. On the other hand yes i would think they would clear everyone out of a shot but when you re-watch the scene it is very dark in the room. Maybe they just figured they were hidden well with the way it was lit….the embroiling begins. :)

  269. jaime says:

    [quote comment="322557"][quote comment="322553"][quote comment="322547"]Latest podcast reveals that Jacob told them to build the runway[/quote]
    ************************
    Are we allowed to talk about Podcasts on this site because they also said WHO built the runway[/quote]
    ______________________________
    It’s my understanding that podcasts are open for discussion. Was that way last season…[/quote]
    *********************************
    Did you hear the way they began that question about the runway? They said “so Christian, Kate and Sawyer were building the runway……..”
    Christian????? And ya how cool that they go on to mention that Jacob “advised” them in some way to build it. Too cool

  270. shellonius funk says:

    jaime…i think it was you…wondering about chang in a swan coat:
    the swan is staion 3 of 6. [it is presumed that the flame is station 4, tho i'm not sure why...just quoting lostpedia.]
    my guess is that there were several components to the swan that had to be built: the living arrangements, the tunnels, and presumably jughead is burried down there. the station very well could’ve been under construction at that time. maybe the dome structure was the last part of it to be built; perhaps the workers lived in the living quarters until it was finished?

    or it could just be an error :-)

    i’m more curious about how radzinsky ends up there, why he feels it necessary to create the blast door map, and what finally drives him to [supposedly!] shoot himself.

  271. dealer says:

    okay…whomever has aaron told kate to go back to the island. and i have a feeling aaron is with his mumm, claire. that explains why kate was crying and such at jack’s house.

    love the sawyer’s reaction curveball…so i guess this episode told us that sawyer loves kate and vice versa and jack loves juliette and vice versa but they been doing eachother’s lovers? very melrose place-ish…

  272. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="322555"][quote]
    Still thinking it production though.
    [/quote]
    How does a camera-person, who operates a TV camera for a living, directors and assistant directors who direct TV shows for a living, and editors, who edit TV shows for a living, allow a technician to appear in a scene… on a show… that COMPLETELY RELIES… on the continuity of the product it puts forward every week? (aka. THEE most scrutinized TV show in history!)

    I am just guessing we were supposed to become embroiled on this issue – by design.[/quote]
    ++++++++++++
    I’m with Doc on this one. Clair, Jacob, or just another whisperer…I don’t know…but we were supposed to see it IMO.

  273. shellonius funk says:

    i’m rewatching it at ajiraaiways.co.uk
    streaming with NO commercials.

  274. shellonius funk says:

    in 316, wasn’t jack reading the letter when the plane crashed?

  275. jaime says:

    No one has talked about this yet. Not sure what it could mean.
    As the co-pilot issues a Mayday call, he picks up a transmission of the numbers. The origin of this transmission is a mystery, as DHARMA’s original radio message was replaced by Rousseau’s distress signal in 1988, and that broadcast was subsequently terminated in 2004 during the events of Through the Looking Glass.
    Where did this transmission come from, who’s voice is it?

  276. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="322568"]No one has talked about this yet. Not sure what it could mean.
    As the co-pilot issues a Mayday call, he picks up a transmission of the numbers. The origin of this transmission is a mystery, as DHARMA’s original radio message was replaced by Rousseau’s distress signal in 1988, and that broadcast was subsequently terminated in 2004 during the events of Through the Looking Glass.
    Where did this transmission come from, who’s voice is it?[/quote]
    ++++++++++++
    My guess is it was from the island 1974 timeline as the island was flashing the Losties out of the plane.

  277. shellonius funk says:

    i was just wondering that, jaime. because the numbers were post-flash…just as they’re pulling onto the runway.
    not sure…rousseau said her people heard a voice broadcasting them.
    so did sam toomey.

  278. DocH says:

    [quote comment="322571"]i was just wondering that, jaime. because the numbers were post-flash…just as they’re pulling onto the runway.
    not sure…rousseau said her people heard a voice broadcasting them.
    so did sam toomey.[/quote]
    Why can’t the Ajira folks be in the (our) future. Look how run down the barracks were during the meeting with Christian, and the Hydra island station too when they pilfered it. Maybe they put the numbers back on the radio as a ‘going out of business’ warning in 2010 or beyond. Not the original warning, not the Rousseau warning… a new warning. Maybe the male voice is someone we know like a Lostie.
    (Maybe that is why the runway is completed, it was done in the future, not ’04)

  279. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="322577"][quote comment="322571"]i was just wondering that, jaime. because the numbers were post-flash…just as they’re pulling onto the runway.
    not sure…rousseau said her people heard a voice broadcasting them.
    so did sam toomey.[/quote]
    Why can’t the Ajira folks be in the (our) future. Look how run down the barracks were during the meeting with Christian, and the Hydra island station too when they pilfered it. Maybe they put the numbers back on the radio as a ‘going out of business’ warning in 2010 or beyond. Not the original warning, not the Rousseau warning… a new warning. Maybe the male voice is someone we know like a Lostie.
    (Maybe that is why the runway is completed, it was done in the future, not ’04)[/quote]
    ++++++++++++
    About the run down buildings…that’s pretty much how I feel about it. Thought it was fairly obvious that they are all abandoned, the dock too. The Losties flashed to a time in the ‘future’ when their camp was abandoned too.

  280. shellonius funk says:

    i agree that it’s the future; i’m just saying…the numbers have been out there before…maybe from other unknown stations? didn’t the portuguese guys at the south pole hear the numbers?

    i also thought maybe “they”/someone put them back out there for course-correction sake.

  281. shellonius funk says:

    i didn’t mean future…i meant (jan) 08.
    we already know that the sawyer stuff is 30 years earlier. :-)

  282. RGS says:

    [quote comment="322582"] Why can’t the Ajira folks be in the (our) future. Look how run down the barracks were during the meeting with Christian, and the Hydra island station too when they pilfered it. Maybe they put the numbers back on the radio as a ‘going out of business’ warning in 2010 or beyond. Not the original warning, not the Rousseau warning… a new warning. Maybe the male voice is someone we know like a Lostie.
    (Maybe that is why the runway is completed, it was done in the future, not ’04)[/quote]
    ++++++++++++
    About the run down buildings…that’s pretty much how I feel about it. Thought it was fairly obvious that they are all abandoned, the dock too. The Losties flashed to a time in the ‘future’ when their camp was abandoned too.[/quote]

    ^^^^^^^^^
    Though it could be the future, (playing Bencentric ‘Me Satan’s’ advocate) the reason why I think it is 2007, is because I don’t think we have witnessed huge time jumps going to and from the island other than via the FDW.

    “Traditional” travel only has some hours difference at most. We don’t know what Alpert and Jacob’s followers were doing from ’04-’07, perhaps completing the runway among other things?

  283. jaime says:

    So are the numbers the pilots heard from 1974 or from 2007-2008? Pre 1988 it was Dharma. 1988-2004 it was Rousseaus. If they were recorded after 2004 it would have to be…who? I like Doc theory but I’m wondering who it could be.

  284. shellonius funk says:

    well we know from the “30 years earlier” on the screen that 316 landed in LA time/year.
    and it was jan 05 when the 815ers made it to the tower.
    so i’m guessing some time after 05, someone rerecorded the numbers. maybe it has to do with chang [warning us in the dharma vid that came out at comic con] that the dharma initiative must be resumed at present day…maybe daniel or someone else re-recorded them for course-correction sake or something.

  285. sector7 says:

    The flash happened on the plane, then we see the island, then we hear the numbers. It crashes, we see Sun Frank and Ben, then it says “Thirty Years Earlier” and switches to ’77. Pretty clear to me the plane crashed in 2007 or 2008.

  286. shellonius funk says:

    i don’t think anyone’s disagreeing, sector. i think i was just doing a crappy job of saying that the numbers def. happened AFTER the flash.

    i suppose there could be other sources that were always broadcasting and maybe they could be picked up on the hydra? i dunno.
    makes me wonder what ever became of the looking glass.

  287. jaime says:

    [quote comment="322594"]well we know from the “30 years earlier” on the screen that 316 landed in LA time/year.
    and it was jan 05 when the 815ers made it to the tower.
    so i’m guessing some time after 05, someone rerecorded the numbers. maybe it has to do with chang [warning us in the dharma vid that came out at comic con] that the dharma initiative must be resumed at present day…maybe daniel or someone else re-recorded them for course-correction sake or something.[/quote]
    *************************************
    i like :) course correction

  288. ILOVELOST says:

    First of all, there were way too many commercials in this episode! Secondly, where is Faraday!?

  289. PJSander says:

    Podcasts have been deemed acceptable discussion material in this forum.

    That said, there was a whole lot of potential and not much actual information in this week’s podcast.

    Except, I think I love Jean Higgins. I want to be her friend! And not just ’cause she has a cool job and lives in Hawaii! LOL.

    : ) P

  290. shellonius funk says:

    are the podcasts transcribed anywhere?

  291. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="322601"]are the podcasts transcribed anywhere?[/quote]

    LOSTpedia has them, but they are not current. The last one listed is 2/12/09.

    : ) P

  292. Amber says:

    Ok so here’s what I have been thinking about. Are we just supposed to forget that Juliette was an other? I mean wouldn’t you think one hot night laying in bed with sexy Sawyer, Sawyer would say hey Juliette you were an other for three years what was going on there? Who’s Jacob? What’s up with the temple? What is Smokey? Why did you capture us? What was up with the whole list thing? I could go on but I think you get my point lol. I mean I guess it’s possible that she doesn’t know any of the answers but she has to know something right? I mean it seemed like Ben was in love with her, wouldn’t he have told her something? Oh and speaking of the others so I’m a little confused other than Juliette do the rest of them not age like alpert? Where did they all come from? We know where they got Juliette from were the rest of them recruited like that also? Do they just live there until they die and then they go looking for some more people to be others? I would really appreciate some ideas from yall this has been driving me crazy or if yall have already discussed this could you tell me what thread?

  293. LINS says:

    I agree that we were meant to see the woman behind Sun, just like the first time we “saw” Jacob. Not many people saw it and it was debated forever about whether or not there was actually a man there, but I think this is similar.

    Also, I hope we get to see some interaction between young Ben and Sawyer. Someone had to let him down there and prompt him to give Sayid a sandwich and since Sawyer is head of security, maybe he had a motive for sending Ben down there. Maybe it’s part of his plan to keep Sayid safe…not sure how that would work, but he’s pretty crafty that Sawyer. I think Ben was older than 12 when he brought Sayid that sandwich and I think he had already met Alpert and was possibly already working with him…maybe he breaks Sayid out and brings him to Alpert and Sayid really does become a hostile…?

  294. jaime says:

    [quote comment="322600"]Podcasts have been deemed acceptable discussion material in this forum.

    That said, there was a whole lot of potential and not much actual information in this week’s podcast.

    Except, I think I love Jean Higgins. I want to be her friend! And not just ’cause she has a cool job and lives in Hawaii! LOL.

    : ) P[/quote]
    ***************************************************

    The main interesting podcast material

    * D&C are feeling refreshed because they finished writing the finale. “The Incident” parts one and two. Both parts will air on May 13.

    * Damon and Carlton announced that fans will codename the finale twist. To submit your suggestions send them to Kris. (How they can do this without knowing anything about the finale i have no idea)

    * The finale twist is something we will never see coming and is related to the mythology of the show.

    * That is Ethan Rom as the baby. We will see Ethan again as an adult. His appearance will cover his induction into the others.

    * It would appear the runway was planned for the landing of Ajira 316. Damon indicated that Jacob requested the runway be built.

    * Geronimo Jackson appeared with the song “Dharma Lady.”

    * “He’s our you” is a line spoken to Sayid, and implies that Dharma has their own torturer.

    * Hurley Bird will not appear because he wanted too much money. He will appear on Grey’s Anatomy though. (Where all prima donna’s go)

  295. jaime says:

    [quote comment="322615"][quote comment="322600"]Podcasts have been deemed acceptable discussion material in this forum.

    That said, there was a whole lot of potential and not much actual information in this week’s podcast.

    Except, I think I love Jean Higgins. I want to be her friend! And not just ’cause she has a cool job and lives in Hawaii! LOL.

    : ) P[/quote]
    ***************************************************

    The main interesting podcast material

    * D&C are feeling refreshed because they finished writing the finale. “The Incident” parts one and two. Both parts will air on May 13.

    * Damon and Carlton announced that fans will codename the finale twist. To submit your suggestions send them to Kris. (How they can do this without knowing anything about the finale i have no idea)

    * The finale twist is something we will never see coming and is related to the mythology of the show.

    * That is Ethan Rom as the baby. We will see Ethan again as an adult. His appearance will cover his induction into the others.

    * It would appear the runway was planned for the landing of Ajira 316. Damon indicated that Jacob requested the runway be built.

    * Geronimo Jackson appeared with the song “Dharma Lady.”

    * “He’s our you” is a line spoken to Sayid, and implies that Dharma has their own torturer.

    * Hurley Bird will not appear because he wanted too much money. He will appear on Grey’s Anatomy though. (Where all prima donna’s go)[/quote]
    **************************************
    This was taken from Doc Artz

  296. Christie says:

    I hope that Sun and Locke ended up in a different timeline because Walt wasn’t on the plane. Faraday’s alleged mom said that if they weren’t all on the plane, the result would be “unpredictable.” So I hope someone has to go back for Walt.

  297. jaime says:

    [quote comment="322617"]I hope that Sun and Locke ended up in a different timeline because Walt wasn’t on the plane. Faraday’s alleged mom said that if they weren’t all on the plane, the result would be “unpredictable.” So I hope someone has to go back for Walt.[/quote]
    *********************************************

    Maybe that’s the “long journey” that’s ahead of her. She has to get Aaron, Desmond, Walt etc back to the island

  298. Rita says:

    [quote comment="322608"]I agree that we were meant to see the woman behind Sun, just like the first time we “saw” Jacob. Not many people saw it and it was debated forever about whether or not there was actually a man there, but I think this is similar.

    Also, I hope we get to see some interaction between young Ben and Sawyer. Someone had to let him down there and prompt him to give Sayid a sandwich and since Sawyer is head of security, maybe he had a motive for sending Ben down there. Maybe it’s part of his plan to keep Sayid safe…not sure how that would work, but he’s pretty crafty that Sawyer. I think Ben was older than 12 when he brought Sayid that sandwich and I think he had already met Alpert and was possibly already working with him…maybe he breaks Sayid out and brings him to Alpert and Sayid really does become a hostile…?[/quote]
    ______________________________________
    I hope so. Poor Sayid! He wasn’t even told that he’s in 1977 – he has no way of knowing anything that is going on. He’s gone along with Sawyer, but even Sawyer isn’t telling him anything. He’s still handcuffed and wondering what the heck he’s doing there. He has no future with Dharma, being a hostile spy and all, but maybe with the Others, he would have a chance!

  299. Rita says:

    [quote comment="322618"][quote comment="322617"]I hope that Sun and Locke ended up in a different timeline because Walt wasn’t on the plane. Faraday’s alleged mom said that if they weren’t all on the plane, the result would be “unpredictable.” So I hope someone has to go back for Walt.[/quote]
    *********************************************

    Maybe that’s the “long journey” that’s ahead of her. She has to get Aaron, Desmond, Walt etc back to the island[/quote]
    __________________________________
    I suspect that it will be something like this – As others have said, Sun needs to “do something” to redeem herself before she can be reunited with Jin.

  300. Karen says:

    [quote comment="322503"]Faraday is not “with us anymore”:

    1. He left on a sub.

    2. The scene we saw with him getting close to the donkey wheel happened b/w 74 and 77, and he managed to leave the island that way.

    MY THEORY
    3. He decided to “jump the fence” and joined up with the Hostiles instead. He is with Alpert and co. for now, but will appear to Charlotte as the “crazy, bearded guy” that tells her not to come back- kind of how Alpert first appeared to Ben. That is why she recalls him AS the “crazy, bearded guy”, and not by his name. (I assume that all the Dharmas would know each other).[/quote]

    I’m still thinking about Faraday. I think he went “back to the future”. Remember in season 4 when Faraday was watching the TV report of the finding of the fake Oceanic 815? First of all, he was clearly looking a little “impaired”. Then when his caregiver asked him why he was crying, he said he did not know. I think he went crazy after Charlotte died and he did find his way to the donkey wheel and ended back in the present. So when he ends up with the freighter group, he has already been to the island…but can’t remember because of the trauma.

  301. Rita says:

    [quote comment="322634"][quote comment="322503"]Faraday is not “with us anymore”:

    1. He left on a sub.

    2. The scene we saw with him getting close to the donkey wheel happened b/w 74 and 77, and he managed to leave the island that way.

    MY THEORY
    3. He decided to “jump the fence” and joined up with the Hostiles instead. He is with Alpert and co. for now, but will appear to Charlotte as the “crazy, bearded guy” that tells her not to come back- kind of how Alpert first appeared to Ben. That is why she recalls him AS the “crazy, bearded guy”, and not by his name. (I assume that all the Dharmas would know each other).[/quote]

    I’m still thinking about Faraday. I think he went “back to the future”. Remember in season 4 when Faraday was watching the TV report of the finding of the fake Oceanic 815? First of all, he was clearly looking a little “impaired”. Then when his caregiver asked him why he was crying, he said he did not know. I think he went crazy after Charlotte died and he did find his way to the donkey wheel and ended back in the present. So when he ends up with the freighter group, he has already been to the island…but can’t remember because of the trauma.[/quote]
    ________________________________
    Sawyer seemed a bit bitter when he said that Daniel wasn’t with them anymore. I think he is either a) dead, b) off being a hostile, or c) in custody somewhere for grabbing a little red-haired girl and acting all crazy. :) (Charlotte DID mention a scary guy told her not to ever come back to the island!). Actually, I think “c” may be pretty likely! Might explain Sawyer’s bitterness about it too.

  302. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="322615"][quote comment="322600"]Podcasts have been deemed acceptable discussion material in this forum.

    That said, there was a whole lot of potential and not much actual information in this week’s podcast.

    Except, I think I love Jean Higgins. I want to be her friend! And not just ’cause she has a cool job and lives in Hawaii! LOL.

    : ) P[/quote]
    ***************************************************

    The main interesting podcast material

    * D&C are feeling refreshed because they finished writing the finale. “The Incident” parts one and two. Both parts will air on May 13.

    * Damon and Carlton announced that fans will codename the finale twist. To submit your suggestions send them to Kris. (How they can do this without knowing anything about the finale i have no idea)

    * The finale twist is something we will never see coming and is related to the mythology of the show.

    * That is Ethan Rom as the baby. We will see Ethan again as an adult. His appearance will cover his induction into the others.

    * It would appear the runway was planned for the landing of Ajira 316. Damon indicated that Jacob requested the runway be built.

    * Geronimo Jackson appeared with the song “Dharma Lady.”

    * “He’s our you” is a line spoken to Sayid, and implies that Dharma has their own torturer.

    * Hurley Bird will not appear because he wanted too much money. He will appear on Grey’s Anatomy though. (Where all prima donna’s go)[/quote]
    +++++++++++++
    After reading that, I really wish podcasts were out. Lot of spoilers there, IMO. If I want to read what Doc Artz or Doc Jensen have to say, I’ll go to their website. The only Doc’s input I want on this blog is DocH, again JMO.:)

  303. katesFriend says:

    I thought it was funny that Frank’s co pilot ended up in a tree(branch) like the 815 pilot :)

  304. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="322639"][quote comment="322634"][quote comment="322503"]Faraday is not “with us anymore”:

    1. He left on a sub.

    2. The scene we saw with him getting close to the donkey wheel happened b/w 74 and 77, and he managed to leave the island that way.

    MY THEORY
    3. He decided to “jump the fence” and joined up with the Hostiles instead. He is with Alpert and co. for now, but will appear to Charlotte as the “crazy, bearded guy” that tells her not to come back- kind of how Alpert first appeared to Ben. That is why she recalls him AS the “crazy, bearded guy”, and not by his name. (I assume that all the Dharmas would know each other).[/quote]

    I’m still thinking about Faraday. I think he went “back to the future”. Remember in season 4 when Faraday was watching the TV report of the finding of the fake Oceanic 815? First of all, he was clearly looking a little “impaired”. Then when his caregiver asked him why he was crying, he said he did not know. I think he went crazy after Charlotte died and he did find his way to the donkey wheel and ended back in the present. So when he ends up with the freighter group, he has already been to the island…but can’t remember because of the trauma.[/quote]
    ________________________________
    Sawyer seemed a bit bitter when he said that Daniel wasn’t with them anymore. I think he is either a) dead, b) off being a hostile, or c) in custody somewhere for grabbing a little red-haired girl and acting all crazy. :) (Charlotte DID mention a scary guy told her not to ever come back to the island!). Actually, I think “c” may be pretty likely! Might explain Sawyer’s bitterness about it too.[/quote]
    ++++++++++++++
    That was a great scene with Hurley doing the Q and Lafleur doing the A. Then Jack, looking like a little kid, in the back seat, all excited asking “Did you say Faraday? He’s here? “

  305. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="322628"][quote comment="322618"][quote comment="322617"]I hope that Sun and Locke ended up in a different timeline because Walt wasn’t on the plane. Faraday’s alleged mom said that if they weren’t all on the plane, the result would be “unpredictable.” So I hope someone has to go back for Walt.[/quote]
    *********************************************

    Maybe that’s the “long journey” that’s ahead of her. She has to get Aaron, Desmond, Walt etc back to the island[/quote]
    __________________________________
    I suspect that it will be something like this – As others have said, Sun needs to “do something” to redeem herself before she can be reunited with Jin.[/quote]
    ++++++++++
    Right. She needs to make up for taking the life of a hostile, maybe giving up her first born.

  306. katesFriend says:

    I can’t wait until the scene where the 316ers and the remaining Others (at the Temple?) first see each other. Or will the Others start kidnapping some of the 316ers?

  307. katesFriend says:

    One more thing, if the losties can alter things in 1977 (prevent the incident/purge, have kids, etc) do you think the 316ers will start seeing the island change? I mean, one day they wake up and a building has disappeared/appeared?

  308. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="322651"]
    After reading that, I really wish podcasts were out. Lot of spoilers there, IMO. If I want to read what Doc Artz or Doc Jensen have to say, I’ll go to their website. The only Doc’s input I want on this blog is DocH, again JMO.:)[/quote]

    FWIW, L4E, most of what was captioned above was said primarily tongue in cheek. You can’t count on ANY of it being “true” IMO.

    : ) P

  309. Rita says:

    [quote comment="322662"]One more thing, if the losties can alter things in 1977 (prevent the incident/purge, have kids, etc) do you think the 316ers will start seeing the island change? I mean, one day they wake up and a building has disappeared/appeared?[/quote]
    ______________________________________
    Well if that happens, we will know that “what happens” ISN’T “what happens” – but I’d like to see it!

  310. Steve says:

    I think LaFluer sends young Ben to Sayid in order to let him know where in time he is.

  311. RGS says:

    Well after viewing it again, I have to admit, I don’t think the woman over Sun’s shoulder is a production error. Her movement is too deliberate and she is close enough to the camera that they coould not have thought she would be out of the camera’s focus…either that or that set hand has some brass ones.

    I’m usually quick to point out production errors too.

    Another reason I think it’s intentional, though not necessarily meant to be a big deal, is that she appears where the smoke monster seemed to be head…as if the smoke monster was that person.

    I think its meant to show that Claire is still very connected to Christian.

  312. Miraks says:

    I think one needs to seperate a person’s personal timeline from the general/ world time line. To me those two are very different.

    Example:
    Sawyer has a timeline where he sees his parents die, becomes a conman, flies to Australia, gets on 316, crashes on the island, jumps off the helicopter, “joins” Dharma, hooks up with Juliette,….
    This IS the order of his life. Where he is in the general/ world time DOES NOT matter. His memories can only be in this particular order.

    Locke is born and abandoned by mom, grows up in foster care, is coned by dad, ends up in wheelchair, goes to Australia, crashes on island, meets Alpert and Widmore, turns the wheel, is killed by Ben,…
    Once again, that is the order of HIS life. He can not remember it in any other order.

    Ben is born, gets to island, meets Sawyer et al., is part of Purge, leads the Others, ….
    Ben should (and I am willing to bet does) remember Jack, Kate, Sawyer, etc.. from back when. But, once again, this is the order in which all happens, and Ben can not change it. That is why he can not kill Locke in the Dharma pit, or why he can not prevent Sawyer and Juliette from escaping after he captured them.

    We CAN ONLY expect people to remember events as they happen in their own timeline, independently from the world timeline/ whatever year it happens to be.

    Going back a few weeks:
    This is also why Ben tries to prevent Locke from killing himself at first- he “knows” (or thinks he knows) it did not happen, because he remembers running into Locke as a Dharma brat, not quite realizing at that moment that the Locke he knew as a child was the ressurected Locke. BUT, once Locke mentioned Hawkin, he for some reason realizes that HE had to kill Locke/ Locke was SUPPOSED to die. Hawkin is a really big player here. Somehow she has to be connected to people ressurecting on the Island/ time correction/ etc.

  313. slugdoc says:

    Chang was wearing the Swan coat because that is what he was working on.
    He was annoyed that he got pulled out of his lab cause Amy wasn’t at the induction.
    His lab is where he was developing the technology for the Swan to control the electromagnetic power (while Radzinsky was building the physical structure (or the model for it, rather.))

  314. slugdoc says:

    Chang was wearing the Swan coat because that is what he was working on.
    He was annoyed that he got pulled out of his lab cause Amy wasn’t at the induction.
    His lab is where he was developing the technology for the Swan to control the electromagnetic power (while Radzinsky was building the physical structure (or the model for it, rather.))

  315. ShelbyDee says:

    [quote comment="322668"][quote comment="322662"]One more thing, if the losties can alter things in 1977 (prevent the incident/purge, have kids, etc) do you think the 316ers will start seeing the island change? I mean, one day they wake up and a building has disappeared/appeared?[/quote]
    ______________________________________
    Well if that happens, we will know that “what happens” ISN’T “what happens” – but I’d like to see it![/quote]
    *************************
    I wonder if we haven’t already seen some of this. When Sun and Frank enter Dharmaville and Christian walks out, I thought it was interesting that the “Registration” (or whatever) Dharma sign was swinging in the breeze. Then they went into the room and all the check-in stations were still labelled and the Dharma stuff looked untouched from the 1977 that we have seen. After the purge, the Others avec Ben moved in and took over. None of the Dharma signage was present in the compound shots of the village when Ben and the Others occupied it. So I’m wondering if the future that the 316ers have landed in isn’t already altered from the one our 815ers landed in. Maybe the purge has already been averted in the new 1977 timeline(something many of us suspect is the ultimate purpose of all the time travelling corrections) and the Others didn’t take over the compound.

  316. duke says:

    [quote comment="322297"][quote comment="322291"]so when sawyer and co. found the outriggers, they were on the big island, correct? they found two of them with ajira water bottles in them, and i don’t think they found them near any docks…so who else takes the outriggers over to the big island and what happens to them? poor ben, knocked unconcious on the beach, haha![/quote]

    I am a bit confused about that too. Because remember, when Ilana said that the pilot and some woman took the outrigger, BEN was in the “sick bay” and John had just come out of the water.

    So did what we see TONIGHT come before or AFTER what we saw in 316?

    : ) P[/quote]
    ___________________________
    It had to come before what we saw in 316. Given Casaer’s speech about searching the buildings which we saw him do in 316.

  317. ShelbyDee says:

    Is anyone else plagued by the scene earlier this season or end of last season where Ben pulls the wrapped box out of the a/c vent and quickly/secretly puts it in his bag as Jack enters their hotel room and starts looking for drugs? What was that? Is it in Ben’s backpack now? They’ve made an effort to show the backpack in most of Ben’s scenes so I’m thinking it means something. But I may be trying to connect dots that don’t belong together. Any ideas?

  318. Tanky T. says:

    Were the people on big Ben’s list only the same people who little Ben met in Dharma?

  319. Ashlee says:

    [quote comment="322479"][quote comment="322474"]More on Ethan: Course corrected Ethan is born in ’77. That makes him 24 y.o. in 2001, when Juliet gets recruited to the island (too young to be a doctor at that point), and 27 in 2004 when 815 crashes. I think originally Amy was taken to the hostiles and made pregnant soon after. So in the original timeline he was born in ’74/’75. quote]
    ++++++++++
    Unless Ethan was born in 1977, finished Highschool in 1995, 4 years college, 8 years med school, some time as a Doctor from 2007 2017 or a little later. Then he time travels back to the island before 2001 to join the others. He goes with Richard to recrute Juliette in 2001. This would explain why he is so much older when we see him shoot Locke and try to infiltrate the Losties camp in 2004.[/quote]
    couple things,
    1/ It’s not 8 years of medical school, its 4 years after completing a 4 year degree. and then a 5 year residency, which legally there is no reason why he couldnt do a residency with mittelos bioscience. So, it could make sense. but, this is only for the united states. It’s different in other countries. I cant remember why, but I think Ethan is a Canadian citizen. And who says he even goes through traditional medical training.

    2/ I Cant find it now, but someone said something referencing Juliette’s interview with Richard and the old lady reproductive system being actually a much younger woman’s, that’s GENIUS. and definitely time travel.

    3/ As far as Sun goes working with Widmore, we still don’t know the real deal on him and what happened with him and Ben. My vote is that Widmore’s a good guy, or at least better then Ben.

    4/ Juliette and Richard Alpert need to hook up. Just thought that was necessary to throw in.

  320. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="322607"]Ok so here’s what I have been thinking about. Are we just supposed to forget that Juliette was an other? I mean wouldn’t you think one hot night laying in bed with sexy Sawyer, Sawyer would say hey Juliette you were an other for three years what was going on there? Who’s Jacob? What’s up with the temple? What is Smokey? Why did you capture us? What was up with the whole list thing? I could go on but I think you get my point lol. I mean I guess it’s possible that she doesn’t know any of the answers but she has to know something right? I mean it seemed like Ben was in love with her, wouldn’t he have told her something? Oh and speaking of the others so I’m a little confused other than Juliette do the rest of them not age like alpert? Where did they all come from? We know where they got Juliette from were the rest of them recruited like that also? Do they just live there until they die and then they go looking for some more people to be others? I would really appreciate some ideas from yall this has been driving me crazy or if yall have already discussed this could you tell me what thread?[/quote]
    ____________________________
    I feel your pain. Or what about Miles? Wouldn’t he have been talking to dead people for 3 years and find out all the islands secrets?

    The whole story is waning IMO. I mean, Jack’s big thing was to go back to the island to save his friends — and now it’s like, what’s the point? Who needs saving? Where is the direction to this story now? What’s the point of having Hurley, Kate and Sayid there now?

  321. shellonius funk says:

    ashlee—i said that about the old lady womb/time travel. i will say tho…that if eve does NOT turn out to be sun, i still think that those might be sun’s xrays. simply based on the hope that she will end up with jin after one of them time travels. :-)
    BUT…wouldn’t it be ironic if those xrays were juliet’s? still wrapping my head around it, but it could be someone who went back to the 70s and stayed until the 2000s. could be kate’s too i guess, but juliet would be more ironic…especially since she’s being recruited by ethan, whom she delivered!

    steve—i like what you said about sawyer sending lil ben in to clue sayid in about what time they’re in.
    sawyer IS a smart cookie, who happens to be shacking up with a former other, so it might even be in his best interest to be an other/hostile [eventually]. especially since we know that sawyer and richard have an understanding of sorts.

  322. shellonius funk says:

    * when i said his best interest, i meant sayid’s.

  323. shellonius funk says:

    HAPPY BIRTHDAY, SUN KWON!

  324. Frank says:

    Haven’t had time to read the comments so if I’m repeating then skip over…

    –As I once mentioned in the off-season that Hurley was on a game show called Russian Roulette back in the day…last night Sawyer made a comment which I believed to be an easter egg/comment about Reyes’ real past

    –Also, I’m starting to think that the whispers are actually the people who are on the island but stuck in different time periods…when Sun was with Lapidus in the old Dharma neighborhood there were whispers and I can only think that there were whispers because the other survivors were in the same place but 30 years prior

    roll it around let me know what you think

  325. Rita says:

    [quote comment="322782"]ashlee—i said that about the old lady womb/time travel. i will say tho…that if eve does NOT turn out to be sun, i still think that those might be sun’s xrays. simply based on the hope that she will end up with jin after one of them time travels. :-)
    BUT…wouldn’t it be ironic if those xrays were juliet’s? still wrapping my head around it, but it could be someone who went back to the 70s and stayed until the 2000s. could be kate’s too i guess, but juliet would be more ironic…especially since she’s being recruited by ethan, whom she delivered!

    steve—i like what you said about sawyer sending lil ben in to clue sayid in about what time they’re in.
    sawyer IS a smart cookie, who happens to be shacking up with a former other, so it might even be in his best interest to be an other/hostile [eventually]. especially since we know that sawyer and richard have an understanding of sorts.[/quote]
    ____________________________________
    I think you will turn out to be right about this Shellonius Funk. Weird how the roles have reversed – in prior episodes, Ben had the upper hand because he knew things about the future (presumably) and our LOSTies have been clueless, but now, Sawyer et.al. are the ones in the know, and little Ben is the clueless one. Big Ben doubtless is desperate to get back to the big island (and find a way to get back to the past) to do damage control.

  326. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="322793"]–As I once mentioned in the off-season that Hurley was on a game show called Russian Roulette back in the day…last night Sawyer made a comment which I believed to be an easter egg/comment about Reyes’ real past
    [/quote]

    Do you mean the CHARACTER of Hurley was on a game show? Where did you see this?

    Or do you mean that the ACTOR (Jorge Garcia) was on a game show?

    Either way, what was Sawyer’s comment that you think was an easter egg?

    : ) P

  327. shellonius funk says:

    someone mentioned the processing sign still hanging in the dharma village when sun visited…i’m starting to agree that it maybe our losties changed the future; why else would there even still BE dharma pics on the wall?

    meanwhile, has anyone seen or read Lost Horizon? lotsa coincidences. it mentions not aging and that if they LEAVE their tropical paradise, their real age will suddenly catch up with them. made me think of the uterus thing. i admit tho, i haven’t seen or read it. but my boss saw the movie and mentioned it.

    i wonder just how much juliet HAS mentioned about the others/hostiles. she knows so much and isn’t the most forth-coming with it. but i have a feeling that if sawyer asked her, she’d tell him. i just don’t think she’d volunteer all she knows. but sawyer seems so different that i’m sure he knows SOME things.

    speaking of adam and eve and possibly changing the future, jack kept the black and white stones from the skeleton. i wonder if they were familiar to him at the time. he sure didn’t tell anyone about the stones.

  328. Frank says:

    PJ – I always screw up Hurley’s real name Jorge Garcia, I always say Reyes when I mean Garcia…anyway, I meant Jorge Garcia the actor was on a real game show called Russian Roulette probably 7-10 years ago and I think he may have won that show…I just remember watching GSN (game show network) and there was “Hurley” and I had to watch the show obviously…but the easter egg from Sawyer was when Hurley was asking about things the Dharma Initiative may ask him, i.e. the President in ’77…and Sawyer in typical fashion says, “No Hurley, it’s not like you’re on a game show” or something to that effect

  329. namanasty says:

    Very interesting posts people keep up the good work. It’s Friday and I need help passing the time. Now bear with me (this might be the triple espresso talking), I keep going back to the fact Ben and Sun are not in 1977 with everyone else. Now the fact that little Ben exists in the same space and time (1977) I think is the reason why Ben did not travel to the “past” (sort of the rabbit crapola with Chang). Why is this not also the case for Sun???

    Think about it. What if sun is actually the baby in that flashback from earlier in the season when the record skips. What if she was on the island in 1977 just like Ben. I mean it would be great to have Sun and Jin “reunite” in this way. It would be a very “lost” twist…

    just a thought…

  330. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="322803"]PJ – I always screw up Hurley’s real name Jorge Garcia, I always say Reyes when I mean Garcia…anyway, I meant Jorge Garcia the actor was on a real game show called Russian Roulette probably 7-10 years ago and I think he may have won that show…I just remember watching GSN (game show network) and there was “Hurley” and I had to watch the show obviously…but the easter egg from Sawyer was when Hurley was asking about things the Dharma Initiative may ask him, i.e. the President in ’77…and Sawyer in typical fashion says, “No Hurley, it’s not like you’re on a game show” or something to that effect[/quote]

    LOL. Yeah, I remember that. Pretty funny.

    I have to wonder why Hurley didn’t say anything about it being 1977. According to LOSTPedia, he was born that year. If I were suddenly to arrive upon the year I was born it would be the first thing out of my mouth. I’m just saying…

    But it isn’t as if these characters ever just talk about stuff, right?!

    : ) P

  331. namanasty says:

    ps. Mia also mentions this in post 214 but nobody took the bait. Anyone think this could be the case???

  332. FFam5 says:

    [quote comment="322809"]ps. Mia also mentions this in post 214 but nobody took the bait. Anyone think this could be the case???[/quote]

    ****

    Could be the same reason Charollete died before they flashed into 1974.

  333. DocH says:

    [quote] … keep going back to the fact Ben and Sun are not in 1977 with everyone else…[/quote]

    Losties are drawn back to 1977 from Ajira to go on the “mission” the island has for them. If Ben and Sun have been excluded because of the “rabbit-rule”, then they were never needed. It seems like more than a few of the Ajirans that were drawn back into 2007 have a mission of some sort. I think Ben & Sun are exactly when/where the island wants them… but they may have minor missions compared to the 1977 Ajirans. Why is Frank there in 2007, exploring with Sun? Does he have a mission of his own, or is it to support her mission? And Locke? I can see the “rabbit-rule” not having to apply to him. That is why he had to die. Now the island can send him to whatever time it wants. Because he died in linear time and will never be able to be his own rabbit #15.
    (Guess that makes Locke like a universal blood donor – he is a universal time soldier – able to take any mission the island has)

  334. namanasty says:

    [quote comment="322814"][quote comment="322809"]ps. Mia also mentions this in post 214 but nobody took the bait. Anyone think this could be the case???[/quote]

    ****

    Could be the same reason Charollete died before they flashed into 1974.[/quote]
    ____________________________

    I agree, but did Charlotte “really” die? Didn’t Daniel just say he was holding her then she “disappeared” when they flashed for the final time (and ended up in 1974)?

  335. jaime says:

    [quote comment="322651"][quote comment="322615"][quote comment="322600"]Podcasts have been deemed acceptable discussion material in this forum.

    That said, there was a whole lot of potential and not much actual information in this week’s podcast.

    Except, I think I love Jean Higgins. I want to be her friend! And not just ’cause she has a cool job and lives in Hawaii! LOL.

    : ) P[/quote]
    ***************************************************

    The main interesting podcast material

    * D&C are feeling refreshed because they finished writing the finale. “The Incident” parts one and two. Both parts will air on May 13.

    * Damon and Carlton announced that fans will codename the finale twist. To submit your suggestions send them to Kris. (How they can do this without knowing anything about the finale i have no idea)

    * The finale twist is something we will never see coming and is related to the mythology of the show.

    * That is Ethan Rom as the baby. We will see Ethan again as an adult. His appearance will cover his induction into the others.

    * It would appear the runway was planned for the landing of Ajira 316. Damon indicated that Jacob requested the runway be built.

    * Geronimo Jackson appeared with the song “Dharma Lady.”

    * “He’s our you” is a line spoken to Sayid, and implies that Dharma has their own torturer.

    * Hurley Bird will not appear because he wanted too much money. He will appear on Grey’s Anatomy though. (Where all prima donna’s go)[/quote]
    +++++++++++++
    After reading that, I really wish podcasts were out. Lot of spoilers there, IMO. If I want to read what Doc Artz or Doc Jensen have to say, I’ll go to their website. The only Doc’s input I want on this blog is DocH, again JMO.:)[/quote]
    *******************************************

    Its just a summary of what you would here in the podcasts. You listen to the[quote comment="322663"][quote comment="322651"]
    After reading that, I really wish podcasts were out. Lot of spoilers there, IMO. If I want to read what Doc Artz or Doc Jensen have to say, I’ll go to their website. The only Doc’s input I want on this blog is DocH, again JMO.:)[/quote]

    FWIW, L4E, most of what was captioned above was said primarily tongue in cheek. You can’t count on ANY of it being “true” IMO.

    : ) P[/quote]
    ****************************************
    True P. They were unusually forthcoming with details (tongue in cheek or not)this time around i noticed. That’s why i asked previously if Podcast were allowed to be discussed before i posted that. When you listen to it you’ll see what P is talking about

  336. shellonius funk says:

    namanasty…sun wasn’t born until 1980.

  337. Miraks says:

    [quote comment="322809"]ps. Mia also mentions this in post 214 but nobody took the bait. Anyone think this could be the case???[/quote]

    I suggested that back when the premier of this season happened (comment 378). The baby was just refered to as “the baby”, not him or her, though at that time everyone seemed to think the baby was Miles.
    The only problem I have with the baby being Sun now is that Sun was born 1980, which means that
    a- there is no reason why she could not go back in 1977, at least for a few years
    b- if she can’t go back because the baby is her, our Losties will have to stay in the past for at least three more years
    c- as Miles recognized Charlotte, Jin would recognize baby Sun as his wife, which is a little too weird for me.

  338. namanasty says:

    [quote comment="322825"]namanasty…sun wasn’t born until 1980.[/quote]
    __________________

    Or was she? [cue creepy L O S T music, with barely audible lion roar]

  339. shellonius funk says:

    miraks…chang refers to the baby as “him”….just take him outside.

  340. namanasty says:

    [quote comment="322830"][quote comment="322809"]ps. Mia also mentions this in post 214 but nobody took the bait. Anyone think this could be the case???[/quote]

    I suggested that back when the premier of this season happened (comment 378). The baby was just refered to as “the baby”, not him or her, though at that time everyone seemed to think the baby was Miles.
    The only problem I have with the baby being Sun now is that Sun was born 1980, which means that
    a- there is no reason why she could not go back in 1977, at least for a few years
    b- if she can’t go back because the baby is her, our Losties will have to stay in the past for at least three more years
    c- as Miles recognized Charlotte, Jin would recognize baby Sun as his wife, which is a little too weird for me.[/quote]

    _______________

    yes I remember now. but I don’t think we can discard the Sun being on the island in 1977 theory simply because we were told she was born in 1980. Her birth date was inscribed in Jin’s “fake” tombstone…

    And if you recall Charlotte did not recall seeing 1970’s Daniel until she started going into seizures/trances…

    If the original Losties were to discover who Sun was (as in baby Sun) they did not have to tell Miles or anyone else about this. Or Miles may not remember Sun since this hasn’t happened yet.

    -my head hurts

  341. Miraks says:

    [quote comment="322841"]miraks…chang refers to the baby as “him”….just take him outside.

    ?? I don’t really see it.

  342. shellonius funk says:

    he says “damnit, laura, take him outside!” after the baby cries.

  343. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="322830"][quote comment="322809"]ps. Mia also mentions this in post 214 but nobody took the bait. Anyone think this could be the case???[/quote]

    I suggested that back when the premier of this season happened (comment 378). The baby was just refered to as “the baby”, not him or her, though at that time everyone seemed to think the baby was Miles.
    The only problem I have with the baby being Sun now is that Sun was born 1980, which means that
    a- there is no reason why she could not go back in 1977, at least for a few years
    b- if she can’t go back because the baby is her, our Losties will have to stay in the past for at least three more years
    c- as Miles recognized Charlotte, Jin would recognize baby Sun as his wife, which is a little too weird for me.[/quote]
    ________________________________
    How about this: if Chang’s baby is Miles, how are baby Miles and adult Miles able to exist in the same time? Being security, wouldn’t Miles know Chang’s baby is named Miles? I think this rules out the Chang baby being Miles.

  344. jaime says:

    [quote comment="322855"]he says “damnit, laura, take him outside!” after the baby cries.[/quote]
    *******************************
    Yup, he says “Damn it Laura take him outside…..just get him out”

  345. namanasty says:

    [quote comment="322857"][quote comment="322855"]he says “damnit, laura, take him outside!” after the baby cries.[/quote]
    *******************************
    Yup, he says “Damn it Laura take him outside…..just get him out”[/quote]

    _____

    would this be the FIRST time D&C tricked us? ;)

  346. jaime says:

    [quote comment="322857"][quote comment="322855"]he says “damnit, laura, take him outside!” after the baby cries.[/quote]
    *******************************
    Yup, he says “Damn it Laura take him outside…..just get him out”[/quote]
    ***********************************

    I guess in all reality though you never see the baby in the video. So we really don’t know if its Chang’s baby or not

  347. namanasty says:

    [quote comment="322861"][quote comment="322857"][quote comment="322855"]he says “damnit, laura, take him outside!” after the baby cries.[/quote]
    *******************************
    Yup, he says “Damn it Laura take him outside…..just get him out”[/quote]
    ***********************************

    I guess in all reality though you never see the baby in the video. So we really don’t know if its Chang’s baby or not[/quote]

    ________________________

    could be Ethan LOL!

    -N

    ps. okay I wasn’t laughing out loud…

  348. shellonius funk says:

    true…could be ethan. :-p

    i agree with sector that the baby probably isn’t miles in order to refrain from a paradox. they’ve done a good job of keeping ben away from himself, and i don’t like ASSUMING the baby is miles just because they’re both asian.

  349. jaime says:

    [quote comment="322861"][quote comment="322857"][quote comment="322855"]he says “damnit, laura, take him outside!” after the baby cries.[/quote]
    *******************************
    Yup, he says “Damn it Laura take him outside…..just get him out”[/quote]
    ***********************************

    I guess in all reality though you never see the baby in the video. So we really don’t know if its Chang’s baby or not[/quote]
    **************************************
    We are to assume the beginning of “Because You Left” when we first see Chang’s baby its 1974-75

    When are we to assume he filmed that video….maybe 78-80? The baby in the vid sounds really young.

  350. LizS says:

    [quote comment="322657"][quote comment="322628"][quote comment="322618"][quote comment="322617"]I hope that Sun and Locke ended up in a different timeline because Walt wasn’t on the plane. Faraday’s alleged mom said that if they weren’t all on the plane, the result would be “unpredictable.” So I hope someone has to go back for Walt.[/quote]
    *********************************************

    Maybe that’s the “long journey” that’s ahead of her. She has to get Aaron, Desmond, Walt etc back to the island[/quote]
    __________________________________
    I suspect that it will be something like this – As others have said, Sun needs to “do something” to redeem herself before she can be reunited with Jin.[/quote]
    ++++++++++
    Right. She needs to make up for taking the life of a hostile, maybe giving up her first born.[/quote]
    —————
    Why does she have to ‘make up’ for killing an Other? Wasn’t that clearly self-defense? The Other-chick misread Sun’s determination–that’s on her, sad as it is for the woman and her hubby.

    And, honestly, is there a clearly defined you-kill-someone-you-gotta-pay motif in this show? I think not.

  351. jaime says:

    [/quote]
    ***********************************

    I guess in all reality though you never see the baby in the video. So we really don’t know if its Chang’s baby or not[/quote]
    **************************************
    We are to assume the beginning of “Because You Left” when we first see Chang’s baby its 1974-75

    When are we to assume he filmed that video….maybe 78-80? The baby in the vid sounds really young.[/quote]
    ****************************************************

    [quote comment="322866"]true…could be ethan. :-p

    i agree with sector that the baby probably isn’t miles in order to refrain from a paradox. they’ve done a good job of keeping ben away from himself, and i don’t like ASSUMING the baby is miles just because they’re both asian.[/quote]
    ********************************************

    I’m still thinking that it is. Hmmmm I’ll have to think about this a bit more. My initial thought was that after Chang finds out about the purge he sends Miles and his mom away, off the island. Guess we will have to wait and see.

  352. shellonius funk says:

    i like the thought of him sending them away, jaime.
    the video says something about us watching it 30 years later. so i think it will be filmed relatively soon. and i’m pretty certain that’s faraday filming it. so i have a feeling we’ll see dan again because otherwise chang’s attitude might be different if he already knew about the purge, etc.
    unless…maybe that’s why he’s so eager to continue his research at the swan? the way he hated being late because someone had a baby…he’s not the warmest fella.

  353. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="322869"]
    Why does she have to ‘make up’ for killing an Other? Wasn’t that clearly self-defense? [/quote]
    If you think you can argue that was “clearly” self-defense, I want you as my lawyer.:) It was a suggestion that she had to “make up” for killing an other because they have certain rules, IMO.

  354. Flyboy says:

    [quote comment="322802"]someone mentioned the processing sign still hanging in the dharma village when sun visited…i’m starting to agree that it maybe our losties changed the future; why else would there even still BE dharma pics on the wall?
    /quote]

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Or, maybe that is supposed to be the real future (no purge, ‘hostiles’ or ‘others’ do not take over the barracks, and dharma continues their work until some other ‘incident’ mentioned in the podcast occurs) and everything we have been thinking was supposed to happen up until now is just the necessary course correction to get us back on the real track. Maybe that will shed some light on why Jack woke up in the jungle after the 816 crash (very similar to the flash situation for Jack, Kate, Hurley and Sayid after the 315 crash) with no recollection of the crash like the others.

    I also think that could explain Ben’s ‘you changed the rules’ comment to Widmore. Could it be that Widmore did not change the rules and that Ben has been using ‘the wrong future’ info to manipulate and control situations thinking that was the way things were supposed to be when in reality that was the false future of events that had to be course corrected and Widmore has been right all along.

    Ben seems to me like a manipulator who thinks he is doing the right thing but in reality his need to control and manipulate prevents him from seeing the real situation in its proper context.

  355. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="322869"]
    steve—i like what you said about sawyer sending lil ben in to clue sayid in about what time they’re in.
    [/quote]
    IMO, I think the Dharma jumpsuits, vans, populated barracks, working stations, etc. might have been enough info for Sayid to figure out around what time he was in. But I do agree.

  356. Christie says:

    I agree that the Purge didn’t happen in Sun and Lapidus’ time line, at least not the way we saw it happen, given the state of the barracks. I hope this is not the “wrong” side winning the war. I know Widmore, Ben, and Richard are all associated with the Others and they are the ones who have been concerned about the big war. But I am hoping the war they have been referring to is bigger than the purge. I mean, the Cold War connotations are obvious and somewhat interesting, but I think I would only be satisfied with this explanation if I were Glenn Beck. For me, it wouldn’t be enough to carry the series.

    I like the way the corporate side kills people all the time and the socialist side clearly has a heirarchy. But I am going to need much more.

    I wonder if Sayid kills little Ben and that is why the purge doesn’t happen. Maybe that is why Ben is still unconscious in the current timeline. Maybe he’ll die in his current timeline if he dies in ’77.

    And that makes me wonder if this helps to explain why people seem dead, but then come back to life – like Rose in the pilot episode, Charlie after he is hung in the tree, and Patchy. Maybe they come back to life because of events that happen in other timelines. I doubt it, but maybe.

  357. Christie says:

    I agree that the Purge didn’t happen in Sun and Lapidus’ time line, at least not the way we saw it happen, given the state of the barracks. I hope this is not the “wrong” side winning the war. I know Widmore, Ben, and Richard are all associated with the Others and they are the ones who have been concerned about the big war. But I am hoping the war they have been referring to is bigger than the purge. I mean, the Cold War connotations are obvious and somewhat interesting, but I think I would only be satisfied with this explanation if I were Glenn Beck. For me, it wouldn’t be enough to carry the series.

    I like the way the corporate side kills people all the time and the socialist side clearly has a heirarchy. But I am going to need much more.

    I wonder if Sayid kills little Ben and that is why the purge doesn’t happen. Maybe that is why Ben is still unconscious in the current timeline. Maybe he’ll die in his current timeline if he dies in ’77.

    And that makes me wonder if this helps to explain why people seem dead, but then come back to life – like Rose in the pilot episode, Charlie after he is hung in the tree, and Patchy. Maybe they come back to life because of events that happen in other timelines. I doubt it, but maybe.

  358. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="322884"] and dharma continues their work until some other ‘incident’ .[/quote]
    I think that is referring to the actual “Incident”.

    http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Incident

  359. Miraks says:

    [quote comment="322867"][quote comment="322861"][quote comment="322857"][quote comment="322855"]he says “damnit, laura, take him outside!” after the baby cries.[/quote]
    *******************************
    Yup, he says “Damn it Laura take him outside…..just get him out”[/quote]
    ***********************************

    I guess in all reality though you never see the baby in the video. So we really don’t know if its Chang’s baby or not[/quote]
    **************************************
    We are to assume the beginning of “Because You Left” when we first see Chang’s baby its 1974-75

    When are we to assume he filmed that video….maybe 78-80? The baby in the vid sounds really young.[/quote]
    ________________

    Why are we assuming the beginning of “Because You Left” is in 74-75?

  360. duke says:

    [quote comment="322615"][quote comment="322600"]Podcasts have been deemed acceptable discussion material in this forum.

    That said, there was a whole lot of potential and not much actual information in this week’s podcast.

    Except, I think I love Jean Higgins. I want to be her friend! And not just ’cause she has a cool job and lives in Hawaii! LOL.

    : ) P[/quote]
    ***************************************************

    The main interesting podcast material

    * D&C are feeling refreshed because they finished writing the finale. “The Incident” parts one and two. Both parts will air on May 13.

    * Damon and Carlton announced that fans will codename the finale twist. To submit your suggestions send them to Kris. (How they can do this without knowing anything about the finale i have no idea)

    * The finale twist is something we will never see coming and is related to the mythology of the show.

    * That is Ethan Rom as the baby. We will see Ethan again as an adult. His appearance will cover his induction into the others.

    * It would appear the runway was planned for the landing of Ajira 316. Damon indicated that Jacob requested the runway be built.

    * Geronimo Jackson appeared with the song “Dharma Lady.”

    * “He’s our you” is a line spoken to Sayid, and implies that Dharma has their own torturer.

    * Hurley Bird will not appear because he wanted too much money. He will appear on Grey’s Anatomy though. (Where all prima donna’s go)[/quote]
    ________________________
    Also from the podcast, they indicated that the enhanced versions with the pop-ups aren’t entirely accurate. They said something about it’s kinda like your watching the show with your uncle who tells you what he thinks is going on. I took it to mean that there are some errors/mistakes in the assumptions made on the pop-ups.

  361. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="322677"][quote comment="322668"][quote comment="322662"]One more thing, if the losties can alter things in 1977 (prevent the incident/purge, have kids, etc) do you think the 316ers will start seeing the island change? I mean, one day they wake up and a building has disappeared/appeared?[/quote]
    ______________________________________
    Well if that happens, we will know that “what happens” ISN’T “what happens” – but I’d like to see it![/quote]
    *************************
    I wonder if we haven’t already seen some of this. When Sun and Frank enter Dharmaville and Christian walks out, I thought it was interesting that the “Registration” (or whatever) Dharma sign was swinging in the breeze. Then they went into the room and all the check-in stations were still labelled and the Dharma stuff looked untouched from the 1977 that we have seen. After the purge, the Others avec Ben moved in and took over. None of the Dharma signage was present in the compound shots of the village when Ben and the Others occupied it. So I’m wondering if the future that the 316ers have landed in isn’t already altered from the one our 815ers landed in. Maybe the purge has already been averted in the new 1977 timeline(something many of us suspect is the ultimate purpose of all the time travelling corrections) and the Others didn’t take over the compound.[/quote]
    +++++++++++++
    The induction building is by the dock, near the water. I don’t think the others spent much time there and they probably just left it as is. They lived inland, in “New Otherton.”

  362. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="322681"]Were the people on big Ben’s list only the same people who little Ben met in Dharma?[/quote]
    ++++++++

    The people on Jacobs list are the ones wh didn’t time travel.

    Bea’s list included Jack, Kate, Sawyer and Hurley but not Jin and Sayid.

    There is no clear, direct comparison yet.

  363. jaime says:

    [/quote]
    **************************************
    We are to assume the beginning of “Because You Left” when we first see Chang’s baby its 1974-75

    When are we to assume he filmed that video….maybe 78-80? The baby in the vid sounds really young.[/quote]
    ________________

    Why are we assuming the beginning of “Because You Left” is in 74-75?[/quote]
    *****************************************************

    Just my own assumption based Faraday being at the Orchid. I estimate it to be 74, 75, 76. He’s not around in 77′ as Sawyer said in Namaste. I think wherever he went is part of what we see at the beginning of “Because You Left” when we see Faraday as “Joe” at The orchid

  364. duke says:

    [quote comment="322793"]Haven’t had time to read the comments so if I’m repeating then skip over…

    –As I once mentioned in the off-season that Hurley was on a game show called Russian Roulette back in the day…last night Sawyer made a comment which I believed to be an easter egg/comment about Reyes’ real past

    –Also, I’m starting to think that the whispers are actually the people who are on the island but stuck in different time periods…when Sun was with Lapidus in the old Dharma neighborhood there were whispers and I can only think that there were whispers because the other survivors were in the same place but 30 years prior

    roll it around let me know what you think[/quote]
    ____________________________
    Your whispers theory is the only one I have read that makes instant sense to me. I am not backing your theory at this time, need more time to think about it, but it makes REALLY good sense.

  365. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="322819"][quote comment="322814"][quote comment="322809"]ps. Mia also mentions this in post 214 but nobody took the bait. Anyone think this could be the case???[/quote]

    ****

    Could be the same reason Charollete died before they flashed into 1974.[/quote]
    ____________________________

    I agree, but did Charlotte “really” die? Didn’t Daniel just say he was holding her then she “disappeared” when they flashed for the final time (and ended up in 1974)?[/quote]
    ++++++++++
    JULIET: Daniel, where’s Charlotte?

    FARADAY: [Voice breaking] She’s not here. She… She’s gone.

    JULIET: Where?

    FARADAY: She’s… dead. She’s dead. There was another flash, and… and she was… she was just gone.

    [Juliet nods sympathetically.]

    FARADAY: Her… body just… [crying] disappeared. She moved on, and we stayed.

    JULIET: I’m so sorry.

  366. duke says:

    [quote comment="322856"][quote comment="322830"][quote comment="322809"]ps. Mia also mentions this in post 214 but nobody took the bait. Anyone think this could be the case???[/quote]

    I suggested that back when the premier of this season happened (comment 378). The baby was just refered to as “the baby”, not him or her, though at that time everyone seemed to think the baby was Miles.
    The only problem I have with the baby being Sun now is that Sun was born 1980, which means that
    a- there is no reason why she could not go back in 1977, at least for a few years
    b- if she can’t go back because the baby is her, our Losties will have to stay in the past for at least three more years
    c- as Miles recognized Charlotte, Jin would recognize baby Sun as his wife, which is a little too weird for me.[/quote]
    ________________________________
    How about this: if Chang’s baby is Miles, how are baby Miles and adult Miles able to exist in the same time? Being security, wouldn’t Miles know Chang’s baby is named Miles? I think this rules out the Chang baby being Miles.[/quote]
    _________________________________
    If the baby is Miles: Do we even know what year it is in the season opener? It could have been before 1974-1977. Miles, judging by the gray hair, seems older that 30 in 2007 when he first comes to the island. Also he could have left the island with his mom given the hostiles, the energy dangers near the donkey wheel or any number of other reasons. I would guess that Miles is probably late thirties to early fourties judging by the grey hair. If anyone has info on his birthdate please give it up.

  367. SDlost says:

    Doesn’t Frank Lupipdus look much younger?

  368. shellonius funk says:

    the pearl and swan stations’ logos are both seen in the sri lanka video that was created in 1975. another reason why chang might’ve had a swan coat on; these stations are years in the making.
    not sure where i’m going with this.
    but i watched the video because i was wondering the time frame of “because you left”.

  369. duke says:

    Why isn’t anyone (Radzinsky) questioning why Sayid was found already in handcuffs? Did he just assume that Jin put them on him? Also, why didn’t Radzinsky question Sayid’s clothing? They seemed relatively clean and bright colored given him being a hostile/other. Same question could be asked about Richard when he shows up about the breaking the truce in the previous episode. I know someone else has thought about this and I would like some responses to help clear it up for me. I know that it’s minor but it is one of those “things” that make me go hmmm. One last thing for now, could the hostiles be living in the rundown area that Michael got see Walt in when he began his mission or at the temple perhaps? Any suggestions.

  370. Flyboy says:

    [quote comment="322894"][quote comment="322884"] and dharma continues their work until some other ‘incident’ .[/quote]
    I think that is referring to the actual “Incident”.

    http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Incident%5B/quote%5D

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I think you may be misunderstanding me. You are right about the ‘incident’ being the same one that Marvin alludes to in videos as to why they needed to enter the code every 108 minutes to prevent another ‘incident’. I think you are missing my point. Maybe this ‘incident’ is the root of what caused things to go wrong in time (maybe the purge wasn’t supposed to happen, maybe the computer with the code every 108 minutes was not supposed to be built and used and therefor Desmond would not have missed entering the code and caused 816 to crash, and possibly many other events that we have thus far seen take place) and all that we are seeing now is the necessary course corrections to get time continuity back on track before a catastrophic event such as a tear in the fabric of space and time occurs.

  371. shellonius funk says:

    duke—i think that since jin is a security officer, he likely carries handcuffs on him. and since he found sayid when he/jin was alone, radzinsky might assume that jin cuffed him.

  372. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="322921"]Why isn’t anyone (Radzinsky) questioning why Sayid was found already in handcuffs? Did he just assume that Jin put them on him? [/quote]
    IMO, I thought he still had them on from the plane ride through time.

  373. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="322925"][quote comment="322921"]Why isn’t anyone (Radzinsky) questioning why Sayid was found already in handcuffs? Did he just assume that Jin put them on him? [/quote]
    IMO, I thought he still had them on from the plane ride through time.[/quote]
    – – – – – – – – – –

    Right. I think Duke was asking why Radzinksy just accepted that this “hostile” was in handcuffs. *WE* know why Sayid was in handcuffs, but shouldn’t HE have thought it was weird?

    : ) P

  374. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="322922"][quote comment="322894"][quote comment="322884"] and dharma continues their work until some other ‘incident’ .[/quote]
    I think that is referring to the actual “Incident”.

    http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Incident%5B/quote%5D

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I think you may be misunderstanding me. You are right about the ‘incident’ being the same one that Marvin alludes to in videos as to why they needed to enter the code every 108 minutes to prevent another ‘incident’. I think you are missing my point. Maybe this ‘incident’ is the root of what caused things to go wrong in time (maybe the purge wasn’t supposed to happen, maybe the computer with the code every 108 minutes was not supposed to be built and used and therefor Desmond would not have missed entering the code and caused 816 to crash, and possibly many other events that we have thus far seen take place) and all that we are seeing now is the necessary course corrections to get time continuity back on track before a catastrophic event such as a tear in the fabric of space and time occurs.[/quote]
    +++++++++++++++++++++
    Didn’t miss your point at all. Just throwing out there the “Incident” they were probably referring to, IMO.

  375. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="322268"]anyone else think it’s a coincident that tonight’s episode showed the new dharma recruits right after we got that new dwy email? maybe they did have a plan after all…
    [/quote]

    I GOT ONE! I GOT AN EMAIL! WHOO FREEKIN WHOO!

    So now I have to wonder if mine is the same as yours, LINS (and others) and I just got it late, or if it is different.

    Did your email talk about surveys and phone calls? I don’t want to say too much and risk losing out on being part of the cadre, but the link to the confidentiality stuff didn’t work, so I guess until I can read them, I just need to be very careful.

    I know some of you are part of other LOST communities, is there any “whispering” about these emails going on elsewhere?

    TIA,
    : ) P

  376. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="322926"][quote comment="322925"][quote comment="322921"]Why isn’t anyone (Radzinsky) questioning why Sayid was found already in handcuffs? Did he just assume that Jin put them on him? [/quote]
    IMO, I thought he still had them on from the plane ride through time.[/quote]
    – – – – – – – – – –

    Right. I think Duke was asking why Radzinksy just accepted that this “hostile” was in handcuffs. *WE* know why Sayid was in handcuffs, but shouldn’t HE have thought it was weird?

    : ) P[/quote]
    +++++++++
    Right. My mistake.

  377. Flyboy says:

    [quote comment="322884"]
    Didn’t miss your point at all. Just throwing out there the “Incident” they were probably referring to, IMO.[/quote]

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Right. Sorry.

    I agree as to the ‘incident’.
    I think this ‘incident’ has a pretty huge part in the main story of lost.

  378. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="322930"][quote comment="322926"][quote comment="322925"][quote comment="322921"]Why isn’t anyone (Radzinsky) questioning why Sayid was found already in handcuffs? Did he just assume that Jin put them on him? [/quote]
    IMO, I thought he still had them on from the plane ride through time.[/quote]
    – – – – – – – – – –

    Right. I think Duke was asking why Radzinksy just accepted that this “hostile” was in handcuffs. *WE* know why Sayid was in handcuffs, but shouldn’t HE have thought it was weird?

    : ) P[/quote]
    +++++++++
    Right. My mistake.[/quote]
    ___________________________
    As far as Dharma is concerned, Sayid’s handcuffs could be a trick to fool Dharma into thinking he is not a hostile. So no, I don’t think they would think it’s weird — just that it’s some hostile trick.

  379. katesFriend says:

    Is there any way to do the Dharma Wants You game if you didn’t sign up originally?

  380. Rita says:

    [quote comment="322873"][/quote]
    [/quote]
    [/quote]
    [quote comment="322866"]
    [/quote]
    ********************************************

    I’m still thinking that it is. Hmmmm I’ll have to think about this a bit more. My initial thought was that after Chang finds out about the purge he sends Miles and his mom away, off the island. Guess we will have to wait and see.[/quote]
    _____________________________________
    Maybe Sawyer/LaFleur told Chang the truth about the purge – as his plan to get Sayid free (hey, the truth worked on Richard :)

  381. ihatebenlinusxx says:

    [quote] … don’t want to say too much and risk losing out on being part of the cadre… ?
    [/quote]
    [quote] … any way to do the Dharma Wants You game… ?
    [/quote]
    whoevah posted these, if you did get the email like the one i saw in class yesterday… you really need to read through the non-disclosure stuf they atached… enuf said. seriously. peace and namaste.

  382. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="322939"]whoevah posted these, if you did get the email like the one i saw in class yesterday… you really need to read through the non-disclosure stuf they atached… enuf said. seriously. peace and namaste.[/quote]

    Well, if you SAW it in class yesterday, then I am guessing someone you know isn’t taking the non-disclosure stuff all that seriously either.

    If it wasn’t YOUR email, then can you share what you read so that those of us who did get an email can see if it is the same without breaking *protocol* please?

    TIA,

    : ) P

  383. jaime says:

    [quote comment="322938"][quote comment="322873"][/quote]
    [/quote]
    [/quote]
    [quote comment="322866"]
    [/quote]
    ********************************************

    I’m still thinking that it is. Hmmmm I’ll have to think about this a bit more. My initial thought was that after Chang finds out about the purge he sends Miles and his mom away, off the island. Guess we will have to wait and see.[/quote]
    _____________________________________
    Maybe Sawyer/LaFleur told Chang the truth about the purge – as his plan to get Sayid free (hey, the truth worked on Richard :)[/quote]
    ************************************

    I’m thinking it is going to be Daniel who tells him since he is the one (my assumption) who is filming the video. I think Laura/Lara is Chang’s wife and both babies are Miles.

  384. Rita says:

    [quote comment="322942"][quote comment="322938"][quote comment="322873"][/quote]
    [/quote]
    [/quote]
    [quote comment="322866"]
    [/quote]
    ********************************************

    I’m still thinking that it is. Hmmmm I’ll have to think about this a bit more. My initial thought was that after Chang finds out about the purge he sends Miles and his mom away, off the island. Guess we will have to wait and see.[/quote]
    _____________________________________
    Maybe Sawyer/LaFleur told Chang the truth about the purge – as his plan to get Sayid free (hey, the truth worked on Richard :)[/quote]
    ************************************

    I’m thinking it is going to be Daniel who tells him since he is the one (my assumption) who is filming the video. I think Laura/Lara is Chang’s wife and both babies are Miles.[/quote]
    ___________________________________
    I agree that both babies are Miles. I don’t see a problem though with it being Sawyer who tells Chang (in a desperate last ditch effort to save Sayid) and it still being Daniel who does the filming (if it was) because if ANYONE tells, they are ALL exposed together.

  385. jaime says:

    [quote comment="322947"][quote comment="322942"][quote comment="322938"][quote comment="322873"][/quote]
    [/quote]
    [/quote]
    [quote comment="322866"]
    [/quote]
    ********************************************

    I’m still thinking that it is. Hmmmm I’ll have to think about this a bit more. My initial thought was that after Chang finds out about the purge he sends Miles and his mom away, off the island. Guess we will have to wait and see.[/quote]
    _____________________________________
    Maybe Sawyer/LaFleur told Chang the truth about the purge – as his plan to get Sayid free (hey, the truth worked on Richard :)[/quote]
    ************************************

    I’m thinking it is going to be Daniel who tells him since he is the one (my assumption) who is filming the video. I think Laura/Lara is Chang’s wife and both babies are Miles.[/quote]
    ___________________________________
    I agree that both babies are Miles. I don’t see a problem though with it being Sawyer who tells Chang (in a desperate last ditch effort to save Sayid) and it still being Daniel who does the filming (if it was) because if ANYONE tells, they are ALL exposed together.[/quote]
    ***********************************************

    That would be a much more interesting arc if anything

  386. LizS says:

    [quote comment="322910"][quote comment="322677"][quote comment="322668"][quote comment="322662"]
    *************************
    I wonder if we haven’t already seen some of this. When Sun and Frank enter Dharmaville and Christian walks out, I thought it was interesting that the “Registration” (or whatever) Dharma sign was swinging in the breeze. Then they went into the room and all the check-in stations were still labelled and the Dharma stuff looked untouched from the 1977 that we have seen. After the purge, the Others avec Ben moved in and took over. None of the Dharma signage was present in the compound shots of the village when Ben and the Others occupied it. So I’m wondering if the future that the 316ers have landed in isn’t already altered from the one our 815ers landed in. Maybe the purge has already been averted in the new 1977 timeline(something many of us suspect is the ultimate purpose of all the time travelling corrections) and the Others didn’t take over the compound.[/quote]
    +++++++++++++
    The induction building is by the dock, near the water. I don’t think the others spent much time there and they probably just left it as is. They lived inland, in “New Otherton.”[/quote]
    —–
    Plus, after the sub blew up, the Others might have just let it go…The Others went to the Temple when Ben left, so we don’t really know what they’ve been up to in the 3-yr time frame. Obviously not housekeeping down at the dock.
    –Liz

  387. Joe says:

    “Ride Captain Ride?” . . . While a claasic hit, if this is 1977 why are we hearing this Blue Magoos’ 1970 hit? A time lag? or perhaps it is just that someone in the Dharma initiative has the album (did anyone really have this album?). After all, remember when Hurley got the VW van started way back when? The song that blasted out of the speakers then was . . . Three Dog Night’s “Shambala” (circa 1972). So I suppose the writers just have a personal interest in classic early 70’s music–a propensity that cannot be faulted, since some of the best music ever produced came from this era.

  388. FFam5 says:

    Do we know what Hurley’s work assignment is?

  389. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="322793"]Haven’t had time to read the comments so if I’m repeating then skip over…

    –As I once mentioned in the off-season that Hurley was on a game show called Russian Roulette back in the day…last night Sawyer made a comment which I believed to be an easter egg/comment about Reyes’ real past

    –Also, I’m starting to think that the whispers are actually the people who are on the island but stuck in different time periods…when Sun was with Lapidus in the old Dharma neighborhood there were whispers and I can only think that there were whispers because the other survivors were in the same place but 30 years prior

    roll it around let me know what you think[/quote]
    ++++++++++++++++
    Even though you committed blogsin :), I saw the word whispers and dove right in.

    I believe the whispers are ‘dead’ people stuck on the island. Maybe alive in different times, but ‘dead’ when they whisper…not ‘live’ people stuck in a time.

  390. katesFriend says:

    [quote comment="322957"][quote comment="322910"][quote comment="322677"][quote comment="322668"][quote comment="322662"]
    *************************
    I wonder if we haven’t already seen some of this. When Sun and Frank enter Dharmaville and Christian walks out, I thought it was interesting that the “Registration” (or whatever) Dharma sign was swinging in the breeze. Then they went into the room and all the check-in stations were still labelled and the Dharma stuff looked untouched from the 1977 that we have seen. After the purge, the Others avec Ben moved in and took over. None of the Dharma signage was present in the compound shots of the village when Ben and the Others occupied it. So I’m wondering if the future that the 316ers have landed in isn’t already altered from the one our 815ers landed in. Maybe the purge has already been averted in the new 1977 timeline(something many of us suspect is the ultimate purpose of all the time travelling corrections) and the Others didn’t take over the compound.[/quote]
    +++++++++++++
    The induction building is by the dock, near the water. I don’t think the others spent much time there and they probably just left it as is. They lived inland, in “New Otherton.”[/quote]
    —–
    Plus, after the sub blew up, the Others might have just let it go…The Others went to the Temple when Ben left, so we don’t really know what they’ve been up to in the 3-yr time frame. Obviously not housekeeping down at the dock.
    –Liz[/quote]

    Or, the Others are no longer in 2007 b/c of something the Losties change in 1977!

  391. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="322819"][quote comment="322814"][quote comment="322809"]ps. Mia also mentions this in post 214 but nobody took the bait. Anyone think this could be the case???[/quote]

    ****

    Could be the same reason Charollete died before they flashed into 1974.[/quote]
    ____________________________

    I agree, but did Charlotte “really” die? Didn’t Daniel just say he was holding her then she “disappeared” when they flashed for the final time (and ended up in 1974)?[/quote]
    +++++++++++=
    IMO we watched her die. So yes, she really died.

  392. duke says:

    [quote comment="322924"]duke—i think that since jin is a security officer, he likely carries handcuffs on him. and since he found sayid when he/jin was alone, radzinsky might assume that jin cuffed him.[/quote]
    ________________________
    That is what I thought at first, but Jin tells Sayid to get down when he either hears or sees Radzinsky. So radzinsky could/should have seen him cuff him even though he wouldn’t have seen it since he was already cuffed. I will watch the episode, more closely, again in a few days

  393. Rita says:

    [quote comment="322976"][quote comment="322924"]duke—i think that since jin is a security officer, he likely carries handcuffs on him. and since he found sayid when he/jin was alone, radzinsky might assume that jin cuffed him.[/quote]
    ________________________
    That is what I thought at first, but Jin tells Sayid to get down when he either hears or sees Radzinsky. So radzinsky could/should have seen him cuff him even though he wouldn’t have seen it since he was already cuffed. I will watch the episode, more closely, again in a few days[/quote]
    _______________________________________
    Admittedly, I know nothing about hand cuff design, but it seems that the cuffs used in 1977 might be different than what is used in 2007/8, and would be a giveaway of some sort to the Dharma security people. At least they would know they weren’t Jin’s standard issue Dharma cuffs.

  394. Frank says:

    [quote comment="322971"][quote comment="322793"]

    I believe the whispers are ‘dead’ people stuck on the island. Maybe alive in different times, but ‘dead’ when they whisper…not ‘live’ people stuck in a time.[/quote]

    Could you supply some evidence that leads you to believe this? I’m not denying the almighty Hammer’s opinion but I would like to know what makes you think this

  395. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="322981"][quote comment="322971"][quote comment="322793"]

    I believe the whispers are ‘dead’ people stuck on the island. Maybe alive in different times, but ‘dead’ when they whisper…not ‘live’ people stuck in a time.[/quote]

    Could you supply some evidence that leads you to believe this? I’m not denying the almighty Hammer’s opinion but I would like to know what makes you think this[/quote]
    ++++++++++++++++
    Go to the Theories section of this blog and scroll down to the Whisperers Theory. I the “almighty me” was graciously given a thread and there is some ‘evidence’ there.

  396. Frank says:

    cool thanks

  397. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="322929"][quote comment="322268"]anyone else think it’s a coincident that tonight’s episode showed the new dharma recruits right after we got that new dwy email? maybe they did have a plan after all…
    [/quote]

    I GOT ONE! I GOT AN EMAIL! WHOO FREEKIN WHOO!

    So now I have to wonder if mine is the same as yours, LINS (and others) and I just got it late, or if it is different.

    Did your email talk about surveys and phone calls? I don’t want to say too much and risk losing out on being part of the cadre, but the link to the confidentiality stuff didn’t work, so I guess until I can read them, I just need to be very careful.

    I know some of you are part of other LOST communities, is there any “whispering” about these emails going on elsewhere?

    TIA,
    : ) P[/quote]
    ++++++++++++++++
    OK, now I’m confused. What are “other LOST communities”? I didn’t see anything about that in my e-mail.

  398. Hooked says:

    [quote comment="322964"]Do we know what Hurley’s work assignment is?[/quote]

    ***********************

    Hurley’s work assignment? I’ll give you one guess. Drum roll please…….. CHEF!

  399. FFam5 says:

    [quote comment="322993"][quote comment="322964"]Do we know what Hurley’s work assignment is?[/quote]

    ***********************

    Hurley’s work assignment? I’ll give you one guess. Drum roll please…….. CHEF![/quote]

    +++

    Thanks :)

  400. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="322992"]I GOT ONE! I GOT AN EMAIL! WHOO FREEKIN WHOO!

    So now I have to wonder if mine is the same as yours, LINS (and others) and I just got it late, or if it is different.

    Did your email talk about surveys and phone calls? I don’t want to say too much and risk losing out on being part of the cadre, but the link to the confidentiality stuff didn’t work, so I guess until I can read them, I just need to be very careful.

    I know some of you are part of other LOST communities, is there any “whispering” about these emails going on elsewhere?

    TIA,
    : ) P[/quote]
    ++++++++++++++++
    OK, now I’m confused. What are “other LOST communities”? I didn’t see anything about that in my e-mail.[/quote]

    * * * * * *
    I just meant other LOST blogs that people visit. That wasn’t part of the email I got, I just wondered if people who go to other LOST websites have read about people getting these emails.

    : ) P

  401. wally p says:

    So I started thinking more about where the lines are drawn here, this is what I came up with.

    Widmore and Hawking both have the same knowledge of the island, also the same recources. Widmore said thet hawking was a very secretive woman, which says to me that she doesn’t openly communicate with him on the regular.
    Hawking keeps open to Alpert privately.
    Both Widmore and Hawking hold some control into Dharma stocks. Hawking uses her recources to privately help Alpert, Widmore uses his recources to help Whdmores radio time travel experiment (Think Biffs Place only bigger).
    Every plane or vessel headed to the island is planted on both sides. Widmore has no knowledge as to how the other side is planted.

    lines are drawn from the start. anyone on that island is either on one side or the other, whether they know it or not. Locke, I’m looking your direction… Sayid blows up like Zohan.

  402. Bobola says:

    Seems Sayid sure did get captured easily…and with all his experience. Didn’t quite ring true.

    Since Ben’s arm was ok after the return to the island does that mean he’ll also wake up quick from the blow to the head from Sun. It aint gonna be pretty when Ben runs into Sun again..that is is Christian also helps Ben follow along to where Sun and the Pilot are going…or maybe Ben has his own way to get back to 1977…but does he even want to go back? Maybe he’ll just turn the Wheel of Fortune again.

    I’m waiting for an explanation as to how the truce came about between the Hostiles and Dharma.
    Are the Hostiles possibly remnants of the Military who were sent to the island with the bomb?

  403. wingman says:

    Congratulations, “Ethan’s that baby” and “I toldya they were building a runway!”-fans…Have a beer on me…Drink-up, you deserve it…Enjoy the spoils of your victory and use all the comments of the people that called you crazy for believing this as a pillow to lay your head on and smile X)…

  404. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="323095"]Congratulations, “Ethan’s that baby” and “I toldya they were building a runway!”-fans…Have a beer on me…Drink-up, you deserve it…Enjoy the spoils of your victory and use all the comments of the people that called you crazy for believing this as a pillow to lay your head on and smile X)…[/quote]
    +++++++++++
    Hmmmm, the beer tastes good…the pillow is soft…

  405. I LUV this Show says:

    [quote comment="322462"]

    also…jin wasn’t even in the pic that he showed kate [...i checked]…it was just a pic of new recruits. but i guess that’s enough for sun?
    i’m even more convinced now that she and jin are adam and eve. and that eve/sun was the xray of the lady in her 20s with a uterus that jules guessed was a 70 year old woman’s. the only way that can happen is if she DOES go back in time. that would make her uterus already close to 30 when she goes back in time.
    ___________________________________

    Jin would not have been in the picture because that was a photo of the new recruits. Jin had already been with Dharma for 3yrs at the time the photo was taken. And, I think that Sun seeing her friends in the picture is sufficient evidence of something strange (wtv that something is) because she knew that Kate, Jack and Hurley were just on the plane with her and would definitely not be so young looking still if they were their current age in 1977.

  406. I LUV this Show says:

    First, to whomever suggested that the x-rays belonged to Sun…awesome idea!! I think you are probably on point!

    Second, I read the posts and don’t think anyone suggested it but pls correct me if I’m wrong. I was thinking that Locke might not be terribly “special” after all. Maybe he has become special because the Losties have been travelling through time. For example, Locke’s encounter with Alpert and his mention that Jacob sent him, then Sawyer’s encounter with Alpert telling him when Ben will be born and consequently Alpert going to check it out. Remember when Alpert visited Locke as a young boy and he didn’t correctly pick out “his own possession”? Maybe because the Losties time travel has caused Locke to become “special” and not that he was necessarily special to begin with.

    Third, I agree with others who have posted about Ben remembering the Losties. I think that Ben remembers them and has spent all his time since the Losties first crashed trying to correct what he knew was going to happen…he possibly being ousted by Locke.

    Fourth, I like the idea that young Ben has already met Alpert prior to him talking with Sayid and I think that he is doing some intel work for Alpert. I think that given Sawyer’s “relationship” with Alpert that Sawyer et al. will become of more importance than young Ben, which might explain why the Purge may or may not have happened. (Although, I also think that it probably didn’t happen given the reminents of the Dharma signage).

    And lastly, if however the Purge did happen, I don’t think that Ethan and Ben are necessarily the last of two survivors of the Dharma Initiative. I think that all those people Ben has “working” for him in the real world are probably all Dharma recruits (whether pre or post Purge)of sorts. They work for Dharma under the guise that Ben is the head without knowing anything about the Purge.

    Sorry for the long post :)

  407. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="323024"]Seems Sayid sure did get captured easily…and with all his experience. Didn’t quite ring true.

    Since Ben’s arm was ok after the return to the island does that mean he’ll also wake up quick from the blow to the head from Sun. It aint gonna be pretty when Ben runs into Sun again..that is is Christian also helps Ben follow along to where Sun and the Pilot are going…or maybe Ben has his own way to get back to 1977…but does he even want to go back? Maybe he’ll just turn the Wheel of Fortune again.

    I’m waiting for an explanation as to how the truce came about between the Hostiles and Dharma.
    Are the Hostiles possibly remnants of the Military who were sent to the island with the bomb?[/quote]
    +++++++++++++++
    Remember, the hostiles killed the military and took their stuff in 1954.

  408. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="323123"]
    For example, Locke’s encounter with Alpert and his mention that Jacob sent him, then Sawyer’s encounter with Alpert telling him when Ben will be born and consequently Alpert going to check it out. quote]
    +++++++++++++

    Locke told Alpert about Lock being born in two more years. Sawyer didn’t tell Alpert anything that we know of.

  409. Antrim says:

    There seems to be a lot of confusion with when Ben gets knocked out compared to when he is in the infirmary….. anyone else think that maybe he was found unconscious at night, brought back, and therefore Illana assumes (since Sun and Frank are gone) that they “took off in the middle of the night in a boat” (she sees the other two boats, and likely a boat drag line in the sand with footprints)?

    I’m also extremely curious as to where/what Faraday is up to. I think he is going to have a huge role in some episodes to come, because it looks like they managed to alter the past somehow, and according to time travel theories it would take a HUGE event for that to happen (Preventing the purge…. kill ben??)

  410. Circus Mom says:

    I just went to rewatch parts of the show to find the part where Sawyer says Farady isn’t there anymore. I caught something new.

    Jacks watch has stopped ticking. While he, Kate and Hurley are waiting for Sawyer to come back for them he is standing and tapping his watch face to try and get it working again. Since I support the “they don’t age untill they catch up with themselves theory” I think that similarly, Jacks watch won’t work until the date of the 316 crash.

    Obviously the watch stopping is significant. Too much attention has been brought to it.

  411. Antrim says:

    By the way, I don’t know if it is known already what “He’s Our You” refers to or if anyone has made predictions yet, but I think somebody is going to see a young version of themself, that person will be told “He’s Our (as in this time frame’s) You”, and this interaction of somebody seeing themself will be a major event that changes the past.

  412. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="323151"]I just went to rewatch parts of the show to find the part where Sawyer says Farady isn’t there anymore. I caught something new.

    Jacks watch has stopped ticking. While he, Kate and Hurley are waiting for Sawyer to come back for them he is standing and tapping his watch face to try and get it working again. Since I support the “they don’t age untill they catch up with themselves theory” I think that similarly, Jacks watch won’t work until the date of the 316 crash.

    Obviously the watch stopping is significant. Too much attention has been brought to it.[/quote]
    +++++++++++++
    That will be curios for sure. I didn’t notice that with Jack, but I did notice that Miles after three years still has his watch with the large leather band….when will he say that it hasn’t moved for three years?

  413. wally p says:

    [quote comment="323166"][quote comment="323151"]I just went to rewatch parts of the show to find the part where Sawyer says Farady isn’t there anymore. I caught something new.

    Jacks watch has stopped ticking. While he, Kate and Hurley are waiting for Sawyer to come back for them he is standing and tapping his watch face to try and get it working again. Since I support the “they don’t age untill they catch up with themselves theory” I think that similarly, Jacks watch won’t work until the date of the 316 crash.

    Obviously the watch stopping is significant. Too much attention has been brought to it.[/quote]
    +++++++++++++
    That will be curios for sure. I didn’t notice that with Jack, but I did notice that Miles after three years still has his watch with the large leather band….when will he say that it hasn’t moved for three years?[/quote]
    ***************

    I dont like to even include mobisodes into the mix, but I know there is one where they show christian giving Jack the watch, which is his grandpa rays…in’it? Maybe the watch doesn’t work, cuz Grandpa ray is on the island wearing the same watch….

  414. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="323157"]By the way, I don’t know if it is known already what “He’s Our You” refers to or if anyone has made predictions yet, but I think somebody is going to see a young version of themself, that person will be told “He’s Our (as in this time frame’s) You”, and this interaction of somebody seeing themself will be a major event that changes the past.[/quote]
    _________________________________
    Did you read comment 296?

  415. Frank says:

    So Hammer, because you have your own theory about the whispers, it makes it the generally accepted theory?? I didn’t realize that you too were on the island and have been to the future…thanks for the insight on the show and letting me know what is going to happen…I thought a blog was for people to share ideas and theories, not have them shot down by you…

  416. LizS says:

    [quote comment="323368"]So Hammer, because you have your own theory about the whispers, it makes it the generally accepted theory?? I didn’t realize that you too were on the island and have been to the future…thanks for the insight on the show and letting me know what is going to happen…I thought a blog was for people to share ideas and theories, not have them shot down by you…[/quote]
    Oh, no! Misunderstanding, methinks!!! Not to speak for the Hammer, but I’m sure he’s not trying to shoot anyone’s theories down, just discuss the fors/againsts. Lively discussions are welcome here, in my small experience of this blog. Lively & Friendly!!!! Theories are theories, until proved or disproved by events on the aired show– Well, some may be open to unending interpretation, but that’s part of the fun. Peace, Frank

    Best, Liz

  417. duke says:

    [quote comment="323151"]I just went to rewatch parts of the show to find the part where Sawyer says Farady isn’t there anymore. I caught something new.

    Jacks watch has stopped ticking. While he, Kate and Hurley are waiting for Sawyer to come back for them he is standing and tapping his watch face to try and get it working again. Since I support the “they don’t age untill they catch up with themselves theory” I think that similarly, Jacks watch won’t work until the date of the 316 crash.

    Obviously the watch stopping is significant. Too much attention has been brought to it.[/quote]
    _____________________________
    I found the scene significant as well just for different reasons than you. I seem to remember there not being any clocks or other time keeping devices in the past seasons except for one. A clock on the wall at BEn’s house if I remember correctly. They seemed to linger on it at some point in a past episode although I do not remember which season much less which episode. If anyone else remembers this please chime in. Anyway, to my point, when looking at both scenes I believe it has something to do with the time element on the island as oppossed to the aging when you catch up with yourself. It doesn’t seem to make much sense to me that a watch, something that keeps time, would only work when you age when a watches purpose has nothing to do with age but actual time.

  418. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="323368"]So Hammer, because you have your own theory about the whispers, it makes it the generally accepted theory?? I didn’t realize that you too were on the island and have been to the future…thanks for the insight on the show and letting me know what is going to happen…I thought a blog was for people to share ideas and theories, not have them shot down by you…[/quote]

    Hey Frank, I think you may have taken offense where none was intended.

    In 326, you said:I’m starting to think that the whispers are actually the people who are on the island but stuck in different time periods…when Sun was with Lapidus in the old Dharma neighborhood there were whispers and I can only think that there were whispers because the other survivors were in the same place but 30 years prior

    Then in 391, Hammer said:I believe the whispers are ‘dead’ people stuck on the island. Maybe alive in different times, but ‘dead’ when they whisper…not ‘live’ people stuck in a time.

    Then in 396, you said:Could you supply some evidence that leads you to believe this? I’m not denying the almighty Hammer’s opinion but I would like to know what makes you think this

    To which, Hammer replied in 397:Go to the Theories section of this blog and scroll down to the Whisperers Theory. I the “almighty me” was graciously given a thread and there is some ‘evidence’ there.

    To which you replied as quoted at the top of this post. IMO, you offered your theory, then Hammer offered his. You asked him to explain it, and instead of rehashing something that we’ve been through here dozens of times, he directed you to the thread he was given based on his theories methods.

    He isn’t saying he is RIGHT, only offering, as most of us do, his opinion, as I believe you did.

    : ) P

  419. Rita says:

    [quote comment="323368"]So Hammer, because you have your own theory about the whispers, it makes it the generally accepted theory?? I didn’t realize that you too were on the island and have been to the future…thanks for the insight on the show and letting me know what is going to happen…I thought a blog was for people to share ideas and theories, not have them shot down by you…[/quote]
    ___________________________________
    Frank, you asked us to “roll around” your ideas and “let you know what we think”. Then you asked Hammer to back up his ideas on the whisperers, which he has been interested in from the beginning. You directed you to the “whisperers” thread, per your request. I imagine Hammer was excited that someone else was interested in discussing the whisperers. Why bash Hammer now, for doing what you asked him to do?

  420. Rita says:

    [quote comment="323395"][quote comment="323368"]So Hammer, because you have your own theory about the whispers, it makes it the generally accepted theory?? I didn’t realize that you too were on the island and have been to the future…thanks for the insight on the show and letting me know what is going to happen…I thought a blog was for people to share ideas and theories, not have them shot down by you…[/quote]
    ___________________________________
    Frank, you asked us to “roll around” your ideas and “let you know what we think”. Then you asked Hammer to back up his ideas on the whisperers, which he has been interested in from the beginning. You directed you to the “whisperers” thread, per your request. I imagine Hammer was excited that someone else was interested in discussing the whisperers. Why bash Hammer now, for doing what you asked him to do?[/quote]
    _______________________________
    Excuse me, that would be “HE directed you…” :)

  421. gmta leah says:

    [quote comment="323368"]So Hammer, because you have your own theory about the whispers, it makes it the generally accepted theory?? I didn’t realize that you too were on the island and have been to the future…thanks for the insight on the show and letting me know what is going to happen…I thought a blog was for people to share ideas and theories, not have them shot down by you…[/quote]
    ///////////////////////
    Treason…!

  422. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="323382"][quote comment="323151"]I just went to rewatch parts of the show to find the part where Sawyer says Farady isn’t there anymore. I caught something new.

    Jacks watch has stopped ticking. While he, Kate and Hurley are waiting for Sawyer to come back for them he is standing and tapping his watch face to try and get it working again. Since I support the “they don’t age untill they catch up with themselves theory” I think that similarly, Jacks watch won’t work until the date of the 316 crash.

    Obviously the watch stopping is significant. Too much attention has been brought to it.[/quote]
    _____________________________
    I found the scene significant as well just for different reasons than you. I seem to remember there not being any clocks or other time keeping devices in the past seasons except for one. A clock on the wall at BEn’s house if I remember correctly. They seemed to linger on it at some point in a past episode although I do not remember which season much less which episode. If anyone else remembers this please chime in. Anyway, to my point, when looking at both scenes I believe it has something to do with the time element on the island as oppossed to the aging when you catch up with yourself. It doesn’t seem to make much sense to me that a watch, something that keeps time, would only work when you age when a watches purpose has nothing to do with age but actual time.[/quote]
    ++++++++++++
    We have generally accepted that what you are touching travels with you when you travel in time. Perhaps if your aging is in sus0pended animation than so is whatever you brougnt. It could be that all “machines” stop during time travel. This would prevent a laser schaple from being brought to 1954 time and changing something.

    This could also be the reason, or a clue, to why Jacob hated technology.

  423. duke says:

    [quote comment="323422"][quote comment="323382"][quote comment="323151"]I just went to rewatch parts of the show to find the part where Sawyer says Farady isn’t there anymore. I caught something new.

    Jacks watch has stopped ticking. While he, Kate and Hurley are waiting for Sawyer to come back for them he is standing and tapping his watch face to try and get it working again. Since I support the “they don’t age untill they catch up with themselves theory” I think that similarly, Jacks watch won’t work until the date of the 316 crash.

    Obviously the watch stopping is significant. Too much attention has been brought to it.[/quote]
    _____________________________
    I found the scene significant as well just for different reasons than you. I seem to remember there not being any clocks or other time keeping devices in the past seasons except for one. A clock on the wall at BEn’s house if I remember correctly. They seemed to linger on it at some point in a past episode although I do not remember which season much less which episode. If anyone else remembers this please chime in. Anyway, to my point, when looking at both scenes I believe it has something to do with the time element on the island as oppossed to the aging when you catch up with yourself. It doesn’t seem to make much sense to me that a watch, something that keeps time, would only work when you age when a watches purpose has nothing to do with age but actual time.[/quote]
    ++++++++++++
    We have generally accepted that what you are touching travels with you when you travel in time. Perhaps if your aging is in sus0pended animation than so is whatever you brougnt. It could be that all “machines” stop during time travel. This would prevent a laser schaple from being brought to 1954 time and changing something.

    This could also be the reason, or a clue, to why Jacob hated technology.[/quote]
    _______________________________
    That is well stated but I don’t necessarily agree with your assessment of the significance of the watch scene. I also would not consider a watch to be all that technologically advanced. Do you recall the scene I mentioned regarding a clock in Ben’s house? I remember reading something about it when it aired but do not remember where I read it or what episode it occurred in. Maybe the “almighty” Hammer will give us his insight. Hammer, I am joking after reading the last few post about the whispers. JUst wanted everyone to know that.

  424. Rita says:

    [quote comment="323422"][quote comment="323382"][quote comment="323151"]
    We have generally accepted that what you are touching travels with you when you travel in time. Perhaps if your aging is in sus0pended animation than so is whatever you brougnt. It could be that all “machines” stop during time travel. This would prevent a laser schaple from being brought to 1954 time and changing something.

    This could also be the reason, or a clue, to why Jacob hated technology.[/quote]
    ____________________________________
    I like this Circus Mom, I think you are on to something with this. Well said.

  425. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="323428"]That is well stated but I don’t necessarily agree with your assessment of the significance of the watch scene. I also would not consider a watch to be all that technologically advanced. Do you recall the scene I mentioned regarding a clock in Ben’s house? I remember reading something about it when it aired but do not remember where I read it or what episode it occurred in. Maybe the “almighty” Hammer will give us his insight. Hammer, I am joking after reading the last few post about the whispers. JUst wanted everyone to know that.[/quote]
    ++++++
    I don’t remember the clock in Ben’s house but they did show a clock in the airpost when Sun was supposed to leave Jin at 11:15. There was also a clock in Hurley’s hotel room in AU. It didn’t go off making him late for the plane. This season also opened with Pierre Changs alarm clock going off at 8:15.

    Ben having a clock could still be significant.

  426. gmta leah says:

    Sorry Im late ..Mr President.
    I may change my name to ‘Leah the Tailie’.
    Any way here,s my take having just watched NAMASTE.
    1. Why do they all[the losties ] look so young ,younger than they did from the 815 crash.
    2.Sawyer,s taken to Dharma like a duck to water.his loyalty should be to his former pals ,knowing that all the dharma may die in a purge,as he says “he s not playing nostradamus”.
    3.Where,s all the fight gone out of our team ,after all they ve been through, plane crashes,false imprisonment, hostiles ,polar bears,others,smoke monsters, not to mention keemey and co?
    4. why didnt sawyer or jin just punch radzitsy[ or what ever his name is]in the mush ,knock him out.and take over the station for themselves? which is what would have happened if they were true thier characters
    5.I get the impression the D.I.know nothing of the jughead/electromagnetic/108 push button stuff yet.
    6.I think frank and sun are dead. Only people who are dead see christian.Any money the next sentence out of christians mouth is “Sun ,If you want to see jin ,ya going to have to die.” and yes the smoke monster was at the door.
    7.And who was the fella on the beach stood next to frank while he was giving his rescue speech ?the camera stayed on him a while.
    Not the best episode i ve seen.
    Not a edge of seater ,anyway.
    Anybody?any answers?

  427. gmta leah says:

    [quote comment="323429"][quote comment="323422"][quote comment="323382"][quote comment="323151"]
    We have generally accepted that what you are touching travels with you when you travel in time. Perhaps if your aging is in sus0pended animation than so is whatever you brougnt. It could be that all “machines” stop during time travel. This would prevent a laser schaple from being brought to 1954 time and changing something.

    This could also be the reason, or a clue, to why Jacob hated technology.[/quote]
    ____________________________________
    I like this Circus Mom, I think you are on to something with this. Well said.[/quote]
    //////////////////
    I think Jacob hates techo,because he,s from the past ie.the black rock. How scary would a mobile phone be or even a plane?Heracy! you would be burnt as a witch!

  428. gmta leah says:

    It also seems odd that kate and juliette were once fightin over jack ..and you know they are going to be at loggerheads over sawyer!
    …I Dont know about this episode …the word is trying to burst out of my lips ….im trying ..to ..hold ..it back …trying ..t.rr.y.ing…tr…CORNY !there ive said it! ..blasphemer, i know but …I really hope this isnt ‘the shape of things to come.

  429. Frank says:

    [quote comment="323377"][quote comment="323368"]So Hammer, because you have your own theory about the whispers, it makes it the generally accepted theory?? I didn’t realize that you too were on the island and have been to the future…thanks for the insight on the show and letting me know what is going to happen…I thought a blog was for people to share ideas and theories, not have them shot down by you…[/quote]
    Oh, no! Misunderstanding, methinks!!! Not to speak for the Hammer, but I’m sure he’s not trying to shoot anyone’s theories down, just discuss the fors/againsts. Lively discussions are welcome here, in my small experience of this blog. Lively & Friendly!!!! Theories are theories, until proved or disproved by events on the aired show– Well, some may be open to unending interpretation, but that’s part of the fun. Peace, Frank

    Best, Liz[/quote]

    This is all I was trying to say: no theory is CORRECT until the show proves it…if Hammer was not shooting my idea down, then misinterpretation on my part, my bad…however, the way I read his response was like “this is not how it is, it is this way, but good try”

  430. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="323441"][quote comment="323377"][quote comment="323368"]So Hammer, because you have your own theory about the whispers, it makes it the generally accepted theory?? I didn’t realize that you too were on the island and have been to the future…thanks for the insight on the show and letting me know what is going to happen…I thought a blog was for people to share ideas and theories, not have them shot down by you…[/quote]
    Oh, no! Misunderstanding, methinks!!! Not to speak for the Hammer, but I’m sure he’s not trying to shoot anyone’s theories down, just discuss the fors/againsts. Lively discussions are welcome here, in my small experience of this blog. Lively & Friendly!!!! Theories are theories, until proved or disproved by events on the aired show– Well, some may be open to unending interpretation, but that’s part of the fun. Peace, Frank

    Best, Liz[/quote]

    This is all I was trying to say: no theory is CORRECT until the show proves it…if Hammer was not shooting my idea down, then misinterpretation on my part, my bad…however, the way I read his response was like “this is not how it is, it is this way, but good try”[/quote]
    +++++++++
    Frank, Please read comment 420. You asked for clairification and Hammer offered it. He actually welcomes debate of this but dosn’t want to have to explain it to all of us again when asked. I have read his theory several times and agree with parts, but not all of it. It can also change as new info comes to us.

    If you look closly, there is much similarity between your and Hammers theorys.

  431. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="323432"]
    1. Why do they all[the losties ] look so young ,younger than they did from the 815 crash.
    2.Sawyer,s taken to Dharma like a duck to water.his loyalty should be to his former pals ,knowing that all the dharma may die in a purge,as he says “he s not playing nostradamus”.
    3.Where,s all the fight gone out of our team ,after all they ve been through, plane crashes,false imprisonment, hostiles ,polar bears,others,smoke monsters, not to mention keemey and co?
    4. why didnt sawyer or jin just punch radzitsy[ or what ever his name is]in the mush ,knock him out.and take over the station for themselves? which is what would have happened if they were true thier characters
    5.I get the impression the D.I.know nothing of the jughead/electromagnetic/108 push button stuff yet.
    6.I think frank and sun are dead. Only people who are dead see christian.Any money the next sentence out of christians mouth is “Sun ,If you want to see jin ,ya going to have to die.” and yes the smoke monster was at the door.
    7.And who was the fella on the beach stood next to frank while he was giving his rescue speech ?the camera stayed on him a while.
    Not the best episode i ve seen.
    Not a edge of seater ,anyway.
    Anybody?any answers?[/quote]

    1. They are dressed like hippys. That makes them look young.
    2. Sawyer spend 3 months with the losties and three years with Dharma. Things sometimes change. He is trying to help the losties without hurting the Dharma group.
    3. Perhaps nothing to fight about yet. Shock at being 30 years in the past?
    4. If they wanted to leave Dharma they might do that but then they would be on their own again. They would then have to deal with the hostils.
    5. May be true but someone mentioned that that station is either under construction or partially working. I don’t think they have to push the button until after “the incident.”
    6. Locke saw Christian when he was alive. So did Miles.
    7. I want to know who he is too. Noone else has asked about him on the blog but his face is stuck in my mind.

  432. duke says:

    [quote comment="323431"][quote comment="323428"]That is well stated but I don’t necessarily agree with your assessment of the significance of the watch scene. I also would not consider a watch to be all that technologically advanced. Do you recall the scene I mentioned regarding a clock in Ben’s house? I remember reading something about it when it aired but do not remember where I read it or what episode it occurred in. Maybe the “almighty” Hammer will give us his insight. Hammer, I am joking after reading the last few post about the whispers. JUst wanted everyone to know that.[/quote]
    ++++++
    I don’t remember the clock in Ben’s house but they did show a clock in the airpost when Sun was supposed to leave Jin at 11:15. There was also a clock in Hurley’s hotel room in AU. It didn’t go off making him late for the plane. This season also opened with Pierre Changs alarm clock going off at 8:15.

    Ben having a clock could still be significant.[/quote]
    _____________________________
    Good memory on the clocks. With the exception of the opening of season 5 all of your references were of times off the island. Chang’s, however, was in at the compound. Time may not have been effected yet at that point. urely, someone remembers the scene about the clock on Ben’s wall. I know this seems like miniscule events but almost nothing is insignificant to us Lostaholics.

  433. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="323449"][quote comment="323431"][quote comment="323428"]That is well stated but I don’t necessarily agree with your assessment of the significance of the watch scene. I also would not consider a watch to be all that technologically advanced. Do you recall the scene I mentioned regarding a clock in Ben’s house? I remember reading something about it when it aired but do not remember where I read it or what episode it occurred in. Maybe the “almighty” Hammer will give us his insight. Hammer, I am joking after reading the last few post about the whispers. JUst wanted everyone to know that.[/quote]
    ++++++
    I don’t remember the clock in Ben’s house but they did show a clock in the airpost when Sun was supposed to leave Jin at 11:15. There was also a clock in Hurley’s hotel room in AU. It didn’t go off making him late for the plane. This season also opened with Pierre Changs alarm clock going off at 8:15.

    Ben having a clock could still be significant.[/quote]
    _____________________________
    Good memory on the clocks. With the exception of the opening of season 5 all of your references were of times off the island. Chang’s, however, was in at the compound. Time may not have been effected yet at that point. urely, someone remembers the scene about the clock on Ben’s wall. I know this seems like miniscule events but almost nothing is insignificant to us Lostaholics.[/quote]
    ++++++++++++
    I got some of my data from lostpedia but the rest was memory. How about watches. Jin was sent to deliver two watches, on in AU and one in LA. He crashed with the LA one which Michale found. When he returned it to Jin he said “It dosn’t work anyway.” Daniel had a time keeper/clock for his experiments that was on the island. He sincronized it with Reging. Didn’t Sayid, Kate and Shannon have to have working watches in season one to test the radio equipment? I believe they were supposed to set off their radios at 5:00.

  434. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="323449"]
    Good memory on the clocks. With the exception of the opening of season 5 all of your references were of times off the island. Chang’s, however, was in at the compound. Time may not have been effected yet at that point. urely, someone remembers the scene about the clock on Ben’s wall. I know this seems like miniscule events but almost nothing is insignificant to us Lostaholics.[/quote]
    I am searching for the scene duke. The Swan had an internal clock that printed a read out of the real world time and date. Also, off island, the man Sayid killed outside the mental institute had a watch, it was 8:15.

  435. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="323457"][quote comment="323449"]
    Good memory on the clocks. With the exception of the opening of season 5 all of your references were of times off the island. Chang’s, however, was in at the compound. Time may not have been effected yet at that point. urely, someone remembers the scene about the clock on Ben’s wall. I know this seems like miniscule events but almost nothing is insignificant to us Lostaholics.[/quote]
    I am searching for the scene duke. The Swan had an internal clock that printed a read out of the real world time and date. Also, off island, the man Sayid killed outside the mental institute had a watch, it was 8:15.[/quote]
    +++++++++++
    S4E8 Meet Kevin Johnson:

    http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1393-39.html

    Not sure if that is what you are looking for.

  436. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="323444"]
    6. Locke saw Christian when he was alive. So did Miles.
    [/quote]
    Right, and IMO, so did Claire.

  437. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="323123"]

    Fourth, I like the idea that young Ben has already met Alpert prior to him talking with Sayid and I think that he is doing some intel work for Alpert. [/quote]
    Right. We saw “hippy” Alpert with long hair, in S3E20 The Man Behind the Curtain, approach Ben at a much younger age than he appeared in the last episode.

  438. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="323212"][quote comment="323157"]By the way, I don’t know if it is known already what “He’s Our You” refers to or if anyone has made predictions yet, but I think somebody is going to see a young version of themself, that person will be told “He’s Our (as in this time frame’s) You”, and this interaction of somebody seeing themself will be a major event that changes the past.[/quote]
    _________________________________
    Did you read comment 296?[/quote]
    +++++++++
    Unfortunately I did.

  439. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="322793"]Haven’t had time to read the comments so if I’m repeating then skip over…

    roll it around let me know what you think[/quote]
    I think you should read all the posts.

  440. gmta leah says:

    I got some of my data from lostpedia but the rest was memory. How about watches. Jin was sent to deliver two watches, on in AU and one in LA. He crashed with the LA one which Michale found. When he returned it to Jin he said “It dosn’t work anyway.” Daniel had a time keeper/clock for his experiments that was on the island. He sincronized it with Reging. Didn’t Sayid, Kate and Shannon have to have working watches in season one to test the radio equipment? I believe they were supposed to set off their radios at 5:00.

    //////////////////////////
    i think it was rockets they had to set off was nt it?

  441. gmta leah says:

    [quote comment="323467"][quote comment="322793"]Haven’t had time to read the comments so if I’m repeating then skip over…

    roll it around let me know what you think[/quote]
    I think you should read all the posts.[/quote]
    ///////////////////////
    yep then you wouldnt get sent to the naughty cupboard so much!

  442. gmta leah says:

    locke is dead technically .when did miles?mind you i dont think he counts as he see,s dead people anyway.does ben ? cant remember.hurley didnt see him.sawyer wont see him.jack saw him didnt he.were not sure if jacks dead or not are we?….and why did ben want to go to the other island …i wonder what he would have found?

  443. gmta leah says:

    [quote comment="323457"][quote comment="323449"]
    Good memory on the clocks. With the exception of the opening of season 5 all of your references were of times off the island. Chang’s, however, was in at the compound. Time may not have been effected yet at that point. urely, someone remembers the scene about the clock on Ben’s wall. I know this seems like miniscule events but almost nothing is insignificant to us Lostaholics.[/quote]
    I am searching for the scene duke. The Swan had an internal clock that printed a read out of the real world time and date. Also, off island, the man Sayid killed outside the mental institute had a watch, it was 8:15.[/quote]
    /////////////////////////
    i seem to recall someone having a pocket watch ?

  444. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="323474"][quote comment="323457"][quote comment="323449"]
    Good memory on the clocks. With the exception of the opening of season 5 all of your references were of times off the island. Chang’s, however, was in at the compound. Time may not have been effected yet at that point. urely, someone remembers the scene about the clock on Ben’s wall. I know this seems like miniscule events but almost nothing is insignificant to us Lostaholics.[/quote]
    I am searching for the scene duke. The Swan had an internal clock that printed a read out of the real world time and date. Also, off island, the man Sayid killed outside the mental institute had a watch, it was 8:15.[/quote]
    /////////////////////////
    i seem to recall someone having a pocket watch ?[/quote]
    +++++
    Wasn’t that the White Rabbit? Oops, wrong show.

  445. LOSTinSPACE says:

    RICHARD’S PEOPLE CONSIST OF daniel faraday; soon to be said, kate, jack, sawyer, juliet, miles, hurley, jin, up to the point until time catches up to them

  446. LizS says:

    [quote comment="323444"][quote comment="323432"]

    2.Sawyer,s taken to Dharma like a duck to water.his loyalty should be to his former pals ,knowing that all the dharma may die in a purge,as he says “he s not playing nostradamus”.

    4. why didnt sawyer or jin just punch radzitsy[ or what ever his name is]in the mush ,knock him out.and take over the station for themselves? which is what would have happened if they were true thier characters
    5.I get the impression the D.I.know nothing of the jughead/electromagnetic/108 push button stuff yet.

    Anybody?any answers?[/quote]

    2. Sawyer spend 3 months with the losties and three years with Dharma. Things sometimes change. He is trying to help the losties without hurting the Dharma group.

    4. If they wanted to leave Dharma they might do that but then they would be on their own again. They would then have to deal with the hostils.
    5. May be true but someone mentioned that that station is either under construction or partially working. I don’t think they have to push the button until after “the incident.”
    [/quote]
    ===========================
    re: 2 & 4–
    I think we don’t know the full reasoning behind Sawyer’s and the rest of the ’77’s decision to blend yet. I think when we see what Daniel’s been up to, we’ll have a better idea what the intention is. I don’t know if they think they’ll be stuck permanently back in the seventies and are just trying to make the best of it, if the ‘waiting for Locke’ is pivotal, or if they need the Swan to be constructed before they attempt to get back to their own time–perhaps causing the ‘incident’ Dr. Chang spoke of way back when–as Circus Mom says above.

    And Radzinsky seems pivotal to the construction of the Swan, yes? So don’t punch him out just yet. Doesn’t he kill himself sometime or other after years of button-pushing??? If he knew, he’d probably wish…but Desmond is the one who knows about Radzinsky’s bleak end.

    As for the Purge–that’s still 15 years in the future for them. Hopefully we’ll find out who makes that decision, and why, and all that good/bad stuff! But probably not until next season.

    Cheers, Liz

  447. LINS says:

    [quote comment="322996"][quote comment="322992"]I GOT ONE! I GOT AN EMAIL! WHOO FREEKIN WHOO!

    So now I have to wonder if mine is the same as yours, LINS (and others) and I just got it late, or if it is different.

    Did your email talk about surveys and phone calls? I don’t want to say too much and risk losing out on being part of the cadre, but the link to the confidentiality stuff didn’t work, so I guess until I can read them, I just need to be very careful.

    I know some of you are part of other LOST communities, is there any “whispering” about these emails going on elsewhere?

    TIA,
    : ) P[/quote]
    ++++++++++++++++
    OK, now I’m confused. What are “other LOST communities”? I didn’t see anything about that in my e-mail.[/quote]

    * * * * * *
    I just meant other LOST blogs that people visit. That wasn’t part of the email I got, I just wondered if people who go to other LOST websites have read about people getting these emails.

    : ) P[/quote]

    *******************
    one of my co-workers got his email too over the weekend!! looked the same as mine…i wonder when we’ll receive “further instructions”? :)

  448. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="323441"][quote comment="323377"][quote comment="323368"]So Hammer, because you have your own theory about the whispers, it makes it the generally accepted theory?? I didn’t realize that you too were on the island and have been to the future…thanks for the insight on the show and letting me know what is going to happen…I thought a blog was for people to share ideas and theories, not have them shot down by you…[/quote]
    Oh, no! Misunderstanding, methinks!!! Not to speak for the Hammer, but I’m sure he’s not trying to shoot anyone’s theories down, just discuss the fors/againsts. Lively discussions are welcome here, in my small experience of this blog. Lively & Friendly!!!! Theories are theories, until proved or disproved by events on the aired show– Well, some may be open to unending interpretation, but that’s part of the fun. Peace, Frank

    Best, Liz[/quote]

    This is all I was trying to say: no theory is CORRECT until the show proves it…if Hammer was not shooting my idea down, then misinterpretation on my part, my bad…however, the way I read his response was like “this is not how it is, it is this way, but good try”[/quote]
    ++++++++++++++
    I most CERTAINLY did not respond to your theory that way.

    Direct quote of myself in post 391: “I believe…” which does just the oposite of telling you that it is fact.

    Give me a frickin’ break.

    Your blogsin was that I was being snarky about was admitting that you didn’t read all the posts. Which I will not apologize for.

  449. gmta leah says:

    i seem to recall someone having a pocket watch ?

    +++++
    Wasn’t that the White Rabbit? Oops, wrong show.

    ////////////////////////////
    you are right CM! it wes ZORRO.same actor[ben] different role.I need to concentrate.

  450. gmta leah says:

    [quote comment="322982"][quote comment="322981"][quote comment="322971"][quote comment="322793"]

    ////////////////////////
    RIGHT ! You two . Leave it out now. nuff said .Kiss and make up.

  451. wingman says:

    Another great episode…I loved the scene in the end with Sawyer vs. Jack…Jack’s still the ultimate control freak, but he purposely chided Sawyer to see if he was still the Sawyer from 3 years ago, or a real leader now…Sawyer took the bait and brushed him back with a good dosage of pinned-up ego and seriousness (Hilarious how they just ignored the whole “Juliet-thing”^^)…However it was priceless how Jack showed his visible relief that Sawyer did infact have his $hit together…The fact that Sawyer felt like he needed to take Jack to the woodshed on “leadership” shows how much Sawyer actually respects or values Jack in the end…I liked how the scene is set-up to make it seem as if Saywer finally gets his comeuppance vs. Jack only for it to be distorted at the end with Jack’s apparent “relief” that Sawyer did this…As Sawyer followed Jack outta his house I could do nothing but grin because he had just figured out that Jack sort of conned him…I think this exchange will do wonders for their character dynamic moving forward…

    On a frustrating note though, it seems like I’m watching this season through a rolled-down window on the interstate…Man the pacing is break-neck right now…We wanted so bad for this story to progress, so I guess we get what we ask for, but I do slightly miss the “breathing room” aspect of the show that was heavy during S1-S3…The first 3 seasons are gonna be like a thick novel while the last 3 seem to be more like a collection of short-stories…I’m just settling into Dharma 1977 and it looks like the $hit hits the fan next week and we’re on to the next thing….Were finally at the good parts, so I’m really trying to soak in these episodes despite how fast everything is going now, which is faster than Juliet giving that baby back to Amy when she found out that was Ethan!!

  452. Frank says:

    [quote comment="323471"][quote comment="323467"][quote comment="322793"]Haven’t had time to read the comments so if I’m repeating then skip over…

    roll it around let me know what you think[/quote]
    I think you should read all the posts.[/quote]
    ///////////////////////
    yep then you wouldnt get sent to the naughty cupboard so much![/quote]

    Unlike you Leah, I do not have all the time to read each comment, over 400 comments per episode, please be more rational…and as it turns out i’m pretty sure both things that i had commented on were unsaid so you make a moot point

  453. shellonius funk says:

    i feel you with the speed, wingman, but i remember thinking the same thing about season 4…so many new characters and things revealed. 4 was my least favorite yet SO crucial to all that’s going on.

    i liked the sawyer jack exchange because it reminded us that jack never wanted to be in charge [of the losties] in the first place. in fact he struggled with it. and now that jack is back, after this point in his life where he was starting to lose control of things, i can tell that he is genuinely relieved that someone ELSE is in control…of him and of everyone.

    speaking of watches [earlier], i also remember ben having a watch…once when killing his dad (at 15 seconds after 4?) and another time on his birthday i believe. either way…aside from jin/michael’s watch that stopped working, ben’s is the only other watch i remember.

  454. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="323621"]
    Unlike you Leah, I do not have all the time to read each comment, over 400 comments per episode, please be more rational…and as it turns out i’m pretty sure both things that i had commented on were unsaid so you make a moot point[/quote]
    ++++++++
    Nope, several people have mentioned that they think the whispers are from people stuck in time or result of time travel. I suspect you didn’t read the comments in the Whisperers Theory thread either, or you would have known this.

  455. shellonius funk says:

    frank…it kills me when people don’t read first all the posts first. your time is not more valuable than mine or anyone else’s, love.
    i don’t “have time” either…MOST of us don’t…but we MAKE time.
    even if it means you have to wait days to comment.
    all this time you’ve spent “making your points” and defending them could be spent reading posts.
    just sayin’.
    peace.

  456. wallyp says:

    wingman, I feel you on the breakneck speed. I’m hoping that some of these scenes are meant to be revisited, and thats why the choppy edits. I think alot of the things we’ve seen this season have been out of order on purpose. Like how the season started with Daniel in the mine, etc. (Is it at the beggining to show us that it really happened first? -Or is it like, remember this, it’ll be important later…)Most likely its just a method of keeping us hanging on.

    Lost didn’t really do it this way in seasons 1-3. There were current story lines and flashback story lines. It started in season 4 bouncing the story line all over the place, so maybe we are supposed to have that eratic feeling to coincide with the fact that since the end of season 3 we have been dealing with this eratic time stuff in the story. (but it does kill the mood sometimes…)

    The thing is I looked and it seemed like there were only going to be 15 shows this season? Is that right? Weren’t we supposed to have 17-17-17 episodes a season? Last year there was 14 (writers strike, yeah) but it still seems to me like we’re getting short changed on hours. I didn’t look at my notes first… are my numbers wrong here?

  457. Antrim says:

    Just a quick question- what are these e-mails people are getting?

  458. shellonius funk says:

    wally, i heard that LOST was originally slated to be seven seasons long…but then the hiatus, and the strike, and then they announced 6 by the end of season 4. that’s probably why they’re moving along a little faster than usual.
    not sure how many eps there are this season.
    not enough!

  459. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="323636"]The thing is I looked and it seemed like there were only going to be 15 shows this season? Is that right? Weren’t we supposed to have 17-17-17 episodes a season? Last year there was 14 (writers strike, yeah) but it still seems to me like we’re getting short changed on hours. I didn’t look at my notes first… are my numbers wrong here?[/quote]

    [quote comment="323641"]wally, i heard that LOST was originally slated to be seven seasons long…but then the hiatus, and the strike, and then they announced 6 by the end of season 4. that’s probably why they’re moving along a little faster than usual.
    not sure how many eps there are this season.
    not enough![/quote]

    Actually, it was in the middle of season three that ABC agreed to give D&C an end date. At that time, they told us that there would be 48 more episodes (though it seems they meant HOURS) over the upcoming three seasons (4, 5 and 6).

    During season 4, which should have been 16 episodes, there was the SAG strike, which cut the season short with only 13 episodes and fourteen hours. As a result, we were promised that the remaining 34 hours would be broken up over seasons five and six – at 17 hours each.

    Which means, sadly, that we are already more than half way through season five.

    *sigh*

    : ( P

  460. jaime says:

    [quote comment="323449"][quote comment="323431"][quote comment="323428"]That is well stated but I don’t necessarily agree with your assessment of the significance of the watch scene. I also would not consider a watch to be all that technologically advanced. Do you recall the scene I mentioned regarding a clock in Ben’s house? I remember reading something about it when it aired but do not remember where I read it or what episode it occurred in. Maybe the “almighty” Hammer will give us his insight. Hammer, I am joking after reading the last few post about the whispers. JUst wanted everyone to know that.[/quote]
    ++++++
    I don’t remember the clock in Ben’s house but they did show a clock in the airpost when Sun was supposed to leave Jin at 11:15. There was also a clock in Hurley’s hotel room in AU. It didn’t go off making him late for the plane. This season also opened with Pierre Changs alarm clock going off at 8:15.

    Ben having a clock could still be significant.[/quote]
    _____________________________
    Good memory on the clocks. With the exception of the opening of season 5 all of your references were of times off the island. Chang’s, however, was in at the compound. Time may not have been effected yet at that point. urely, someone remembers the scene about the clock on Ben’s wall. I know this seems like miniscule events but almost nothing is insignificant to us Lostaholics.[/quote]
    ***********************************************8

    Duke, Go to Lostpedia and search Barracks. One of the contents listed is “Ben’s house” there is a perfect picture of the clock there. I believe the ep was either Man from Tallahasee or A Tail of Two Cities

  461. wingman says:

    @ shellonius funk; wallyp ; PJSander

    I said it before; this is a direct result of knowing in your mind how many eps are needed to finish a show, but really not knowing how that will “FEEL” once you create the episodes…I think that when you write a script (English and Journalism degree talking here^^) and see in your mind what should happen it doesn’t always coincide with what you see after that content is turned into an episode of the show itself…I think if D&C knew now what they knew from then, they would have still asked for the 3 seasons, but given themselves some cushion by having them be the normal 23-24 episodes per…Ever since S4 (which was because of the strike but is a perfect indicator of the perils of not having enuff time to create a season), the pacing has been off…I think we’re really seeing the downside of what happens when you take 8episodes a season away from a primetime drama…We only have like 23 episodes left TO THIS SERIES and that seems like nothing for LOST…If we had those extra 24 eps back I’d be happy because 50 eps seems like enuff to end this show with a decent pace, but 23 eps just seems impossible to me…

    If last episode was told by S1-S3 standards, the whole episode would have been focused on Jack and company getting back and their adjustment or exposure to Dharma life…Sayid being discovered in the jungle would have probably been the “twist” for the next episode, then he’d have an almost full-episode story, but from S4-S5 standards, they peppershake Jack et al getting back, Sayid being a hostile, Frank and Sun, and the Ben stuff, really not satisfying any of the storylines…I just don’t think D&C ANTICIPATED how endless the content would be once they got to this point…They were always talking about having “to stall” because they didn’t have an end-date, but based on what we’re seeing now, they could have started heading the show in this direction sooner, because they have so much to work with now…It’s still great, but I do miss the build-up part of the show which makes the revelations have even more meaning…It seems like every episode nowadays is all about the “Last 5 mins” or “Final twist” more than ever before and I don’t want the show to just rely on that device all the time (Not that I didn’t get chillbumpitis when kid Ben walked in with the sandwich)…

    It’s like finding the Dharma food supply and taking only the good stuff (The meats, the eggs, the fruits, etc), but ignoring the fact that the mayo, the mustard, and the seasonings are just as important as the big stuff…Right now we’re getting a lot of steak, and shrimp, but I kinda need a ketchup packet every now and again…The pace right now is sorta like a awesome meal but without all of the cooking…In any event though, I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t immensely enjoying what I am getting to digest…

  462. LINS says:

    [quote comment="323638"]Just a quick question- what are these e-mails people are getting?[/quote]

    the emails are from dwy – dharma wants you – the arg game from the hiatus. we thought they had ended up, but apparently it’s on again…

  463. Frank says:

    Hammer fuck off I USED to like this blog until you decided to get all cocky about your own theories

  464. Tarzan says:

    LOST for Dummies – by Tarzan

    Tarzan make big climb to favorite treehouse on tallest mountain.

    Now more confuse than ever.

    See large metal shiny bird flying past front door.

    Same large shiny metal bird that crash small island before.

    Tarzan lay off jungle juice for next few days.

    While search for food, see large shiny metal fish arrive at dock.

    Many people crawl from back of large metal fish – drive to science camp.

    Tarzan see science camp make big happy party for all.

    Now more confuse, people arrive science camp not all from shiny metal fish.

    Native Chief Richard Alpert will scream at broken peace agreement.

    Also see pretty yellow hair woman want to make war with scrawny brown hair woman.

    Me worry for island peace, but return to search more food. No peace empty stomach.

    Tarzan search for food, find smart-talk man with bracelets hold wrist together.

    Offer smart-talk man sandwich from Tarzan back pack.

    Smart-talk man ask if Tarzan ‘have any Grey Poupon’ for island sandwich.

    Tarzan say no. Smart-talk man sniff sandwich… then run away.
    ————
    Tarzan add own whisker theory to island lore.

    Island men no grow whiskers because light is filter light, and facial hair no grow in filter light. Tarzan live island whole life – no need shave whiskers from face.

    Tarzan make good whisker theory… no?

  465. Miraks says:

    [quote comment="323664"]Hammer fuck off I USED to like this blog until you decided to get all cocky about your own theories[/quote]

    Absolutely uncalled for, Frank. Hammer has been nothing but polite and apologetic for any misunderstandings. YOU owe Hammer an apology for this.

  466. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="323673"][quote comment="323664"]Hammer fuck off I USED to like this blog until you decided to get all cocky about your own theories[/quote]

    Absolutely uncalled for, Frank. Hammer has been nothing but polite and apologetic for any misunderstandings. YOU owe Hammer an apology for this.[/quote]
    +++++++++
    Frank owes all of us a apoligy for that one.

  467. Hammer says:

    Hmmm, well sorry you THINK that way Frank.

  468. duke says:

    [quote comment="323675"][quote comment="323673"][quote comment="323664"]Hammer fuck off I USED to like this blog until you decided to get all cocky about your own theories[/quote]

    Absolutely uncalled for, Frank. Hammer has been nothing but polite and apologetic for any misunderstandings. YOU owe Hammer an apology for this.[/quote]
    +++++++++
    Frank owes all of us a apoligy for that one.[/quote]
    ___________________________
    It is nice to see someone else get “yelled” at for his comments besides myself. LOL.

  469. Hammer says:

    Tarzan, you are awesome!

  470. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="323675"]
    Frank owes all of us a apoligy for that one.[/quote]

    Maybe we just add Frank to the list of posters who are ignored until the play nice.

    On blogs where people post and contribute to the discussion, there is a generally accepted code of conduct, often referred to as “sandbox rules.” You know, be respectful, no bad language or name-calling, and don’t throw sand.

    : ) P

  471. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="323665"]
    Tarzan make good whisker theory… no?[/quote]

    Yes, Tarzan. Excellent whisker theory. Smart Tarzan.

    LOL.

    : ) P

  472. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="323449"]
    Good memory on the clocks. With the exception of the opening of season 5 all of your references were of times off the island. Chang’s, however, was in at the compound. Time may not have been effected yet at that point. urely, someone remembers the scene about the clock on Ben’s wall. I know this seems like miniscule events but almost nothing is insignificant to us Lostaholics.[/quote]

    I agree. I think we’re all going to want to “Sixth Sense” the entire show once we see the end of the series. You know, go back and watch for all the tiny little clues that have been there from Day 1. I think we uberfans are seeing a lot of these clues as we go, but for the average viewer, there will likely be a LOT of a-ha moments when they watch it through again.

    : ) P

  473. Jim in Georgia says:

    I’m a new guy. I’ve scanned the entries above but not read all of them; if this is a repeat, my apologies.

    The fuzzy figure in the background “can’t” be an error for three reasons.
    1. These are professional people. If someone walks onto a hot set, someone is gonna say something. I’m not saying they never screw up (Rebecca Mader “re-aging” Charlotte is a good example), but this would have been a genuine oops. The culprit or someone who can see the culprit says something, the director yells, “Cut!” and they do it again. They’re used to that; they do it all the time when someone blows a line. This has to be taken in conjunction with:
    2. The creaking door and the puff of smoke came first.
    3. The producers told us that Emilie de Ravin would not appear this season and the producers would never tell us a lie.

  474. gmta leah says:

    [quote comment="323621"][quote comment="323471"][quote comment="323467"][quote comment="322793"]Haven’t had time to read the comments so if I’m repeating then skip over…

    roll it around let me know what you think[/quote]
    I think you should read all the posts.[/quote]
    ///////////////////////
    yep then you wouldnt get sent to the naughty cupboard so much![/quote]

    Unlike you Leah, I do not have all the time to read each comment, over 400 comments per episode, please be more rational…and as it turns out i’m pretty sure both things that i had commented on were unsaid so you make a moot point[/quote]
    ///////////////////////
    I watch lost 5 days after it is aired in the us .Iread all the post in that time . what do ya mean ,you havent time ?Were all busy people.Obviously, you dont want to play by the rules.Do ya not think that everyone at some point or another didnt want to read all the posts before puttin thier two penneth in?Its in your best interests to read first,stops you makin a c*** out of yourself .ok?

  475. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="323702"]
    3. The producers told us that Emilie de Ravin would not appear this season and the producers would never tell us a lie.[/quote]

    Right. Just like they told us that this show wasn’t about time-travel. LOL.

    But yes they did say that EdR is not in any episode this season.

    : ) P

  476. gmta leah says:

    [quote comment="323693"][quote comment="323675"][quote comment="323673"][quote comment="323664"]Hammer fuck off I USED to like this blog until you decided to get all cocky about your own theories[/quote]

    Absolutely uncalled for, Frank. Hammer has been nothing but polite and apologetic for any misunderstandings. YOU owe Hammer an apology for this.[/quote]
    +++++++++
    Frank owes all of us a apoligy for that one.[/quote]
    ___________________________
    It is nice to see someone else get “yelled” at for his comments besides myself. LOL.[/quote]
    /////////////////////////////
    lmfao!

  477. shellonius funk says:

    some watches can be affected by strong magnetic fields…but that seems way less interesting if that’s really why the watches stopped. :-)

  478. gmta leah says:

    [quote comment="323696"][quote comment="323675"]
    Frank owes all of us a apoligy for that one.[/quote]

    Maybe we just add Frank to the list of posters who are ignored until the play nice.

    .

    : ) P[/quote]
    ///////////////////////////
    oh!Easy now! that,ll teach him or her im sure!

  479. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="323702"]I’m a new guy. I’ve scanned the entries above but not read all of them; if this is a repeat, my apologies.

    The fuzzy figure in the background “can’t” be an error for three reasons.
    1. These are professional people. If someone walks onto a hot set, someone is gonna say something. I’m not saying they never screw up (Rebecca Mader “re-aging” Charlotte is a good example), but this would have been a genuine oops. The culprit or someone who can see the culprit says something, the director yells, “Cut!” and they do it again. They’re used to that; they do it all the time when someone blows a line. This has to be taken in conjunction with:
    2. The creaking door and the puff of smoke came first.
    3. The producers told us that Emilie de Ravin would not appear this season and the producers would never tell us a lie.[/quote]
    Hi Jim in Georgia. To prevent repeats it is best to read all the posts. If you absolutly cannot then do a control F and search keywords in what you are posting to see if it has been covered before. Those of us who have read all the posts would appreciate it.
    I am still hoping the person in the backround was a error.

  480. truth says:

    Frank = troll

    stop feeding the troll.

  481. gmta leah says:

    [quote comment="323724"]Frank = troll

    stop feeding the troll.[/quote]
    /////////////////////
    my sandwich bag is now shut!

  482. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="323727"][quote comment="323724"]Frank = troll

    stop feeding the troll.[/quote]
    /////////////////////
    my sandwich bag is now shut![/quote]

    * * * * * *

    LOL.

    : ) P

  483. Rita says:

    [quote comment="323702"]I’m a new guy. I’ve scanned the entries above but not read all of them; if this is a repeat, my apologies.

    The fuzzy figure in the background “can’t” be an error for three reasons.
    1. These are professional people. If someone walks onto a hot set, someone is gonna say something. I’m not saying they never screw up (Rebecca Mader “re-aging” Charlotte is a good example), but this would have been a genuine oops. The culprit or someone who can see the culprit says something, the director yells, “Cut!” and they do it again. They’re used to that; they do it all the time when someone blows a line. This has to be taken in conjunction with:
    2. The creaking door and the puff of smoke came first.
    3. The producers told us that Emilie de Ravin would not appear this season and the producers would never tell us a lie.[/quote]
    ____________________________________
    Welcome Jim! I’m inclined to agree with you that the person in the background was NOT a mistake. However, I’ve asked a few casual LOST viewers about it and NONE of them saw anything. If it was on purpose, it could only be a shout out to us, the obsessed, who would be the ONLY ones to see it. It definitely wasn’t EdR, but it might have been a stand-in-look-alike, or another young blond female (which is really all we could make out for sure).

  484. Rita says:

    [quote comment="323702"]I’m a new guy. I’ve scanned the entries above but not read all of them; if this is a repeat, my apologies.

    The fuzzy figure in the background “can’t” be an error for three reasons.
    1. These are professional people. If someone walks onto a hot set, someone is gonna say something. I’m not saying they never screw up (Rebecca Mader “re-aging” Charlotte is a good example), but this would have been a genuine oops. The culprit or someone who can see the culprit says something, the director yells, “Cut!” and they do it again. They’re used to that; they do it all the time when someone blows a line. This has to be taken in conjunction with:
    2. The creaking door and the puff of smoke came first.
    3. The producers told us that Emilie de Ravin would not appear this season and the producers would never tell us a lie.[/quote]
    ____________________________________
    Welcome Jim! I’m inclined to agree with you that the person in the background was NOT a mistake. However, I’ve asked a few casual LOST viewers about it and NONE of them saw anything. If it was on purpose, it could only be a shout out to us, the obsessed, who would be the ONLY ones to see it. It definitely wasn’t EdR, but it might have been a stand-in-look-alike, or another young blond female (which is really all we could make out for sure).

  485. Rita says:

    Yikes! Not sure how I managed to do a double post. My appologies.

  486. PJSander says:

    I *HATE* the ABC website. I have just spent an hour of my life (which unless Daniel Faraday comes to my house I am NOT going to get back) trying to load Namaste so I could watch it in HD.

    My tivo can’t record in HD, so once I watch it “live” the first time on an HD channel, that’s it for me unless I find it online. ABC has so many bells and whistles and little pop-ups, and screens and movie players that everything takes so long to load that my computer freezes. It is the ONLY site it happens on and happens nearly every time. ACK!

    Anyway, I wanted to watch the scenes in the DHARMA Rec Room to see if we could see that “fuzzy lady” in the HD version. My tivo recording doesn’t show anything. Any HD screencaps don’t show her unless you mess with the contrast and color balance, which clearly we are not meant to do while watching the show.

    So now I am trying to find the episode some other way. I just felt the need to vent in case someone at ABC.com is lurking.

    ARGHHH!

    : ) P

  487. PJSander says:

    Okay, I found the clip in HD on youtube. It shows the clip the way we are supposed to see it, then twice more. The following two times, the user has messed with the contrast and color balance, but I REALLY REALLY think that this is NOT a clue or hint. I think we were supposed to watch it the way it AIRED!

    : ) P

  488. jaime says:

    [quote comment="323753"]Okay, I found the clip in HD on youtube. It shows the clip the way we are supposed to see it, then twice more. The following two times, the user has messed with the contrast and color balance, but I REALLY REALLY think that this is NOT a clue or hint. I think we were supposed to watch it the way it AIRED!

    : ) P[/quote]
    **************************************************

    Thank you for the research PJ. You just confirmed it even more so for me that it was a production error.
    I’m hoping D&C, or someone will comment soon about it so we all know for sure. There is much talk about it on other sites as well and its seems so far people are 50/50.

  489. hank vega says:

    I don’t think Frank owes me an apology. I have been reading this blog for years and hammer has always been that way. If two people have a problem, they should be able to solve it without other people’s intromission. It’s like attacking the most popular girl in school (and the most ennoying too), and seeing all their friends fighting for her, all afraid of losing her friendship.

  490. jaime says:

    [quote comment="323765"]I don’t think Frank owes me an apology. I have been reading this blog for years and hammer has always been that way. If two people have a problem, they should be able to solve it without other people’s intromission. It’s like attacking the most popular girl in school (and the most ennoying too), and seeing all their friends fighting for her, all afraid of losing her friendship.[/quote]
    **************************************************

    LET IT GO PEOPLE. This is being blown way out of proportion. Just misunderstandings that have already been quashed. I want to read posts about the actual show please. Thank you

  491. wingman says:

    Just watched the link and I don’t know what to think about the “Claire” in the Sun scene, but I do know one thing, if you watched this episode 100 times, you’d miss it 100 times (I mean they had to spot shadow it just for it to be comprehended)…The 1 or 2 guys who first caught this has probably influenced 90% of the opinions on this, so I don’t really know what to say…I think it would be easy for a production crew to miss this, as is the case with alot of production errors that I’ve seen that are far worse…The dust//smoke (smoke monster) that enters the room before hand makes it even harder to just straight-up dismiss it…So to keep me sane I’m gonna say that we’ll have to chalk this up to the mythology of the show and if it’s explained later then we can all go “Wow”…If it’s never specifically explained (Which at gunpoint I’d say will be the case), then it’s just another one of those creepy LOST moments that only can happen in this show that makes hardcores crazy…

  492. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="323765"]I don’t think Frank owes me an apology. I have been reading this blog for years and hammer has always been that way. If two people have a problem, they should be able to solve it without other people’s intromission. It’s like attacking the most popular girl in school (and the most ennoying too), and seeing all their friends fighting for her, all afraid of losing her friendship.[/quote]
    ++++++++++++++++
    Thank goodness I can defend myself first on this one and will confront you without my posse of school girls.

    Sorry you THINK thay way too. Considering many of the folk who defended me don’t even agree with my theory…I think you are wrong.
    They have my back because I didn’t do what Frank and yourself accuse me of on the contrary I attempted to discuss it with Frank on the appropriate thread. Go read the posts and you will see that.

  493. RGS says:

    [quote comment="323774"]Just watched the link and I don’t know what to think about the “Claire” in the Sun scene, but I do know one thing, if you watched this episode 100 times, you’d miss it 100 times (I mean they had to spot shadow it just for it to be comprehended)…The 1 or 2 guys who first caught this has probably influenced 90% of the opinions on this, so I don’t really know what to say…I think it would be easy for a production crew to miss this, as is the case with alot of production errors that I’ve seen that are far worse…The dust//smoke (smoke monster) that enters the room before hand makes it even harder to just straight-up dismiss it…So to keep me sane I’m gonna say that we’ll have to chalk this up to the mythology of the show and if it’s explained later then we can all go “Wow”…If it’s never specifically explained (Which at gunpoint I’d say will be the case), then it’s just another one of those creepy LOST moments that only can happen in this show that makes hardcores crazy…[/quote]

    See I don’t know if folks could miss it 100 times as you say. When I watched it the 2nd time, I was unaware of when this ‘Claire’ sighting would pop up, and then when it did, to me, the person is so close to the camera that she’s practically acting like Christian’s sidekick going, “unhuh, unhuh, just what he said.”

  494. gmta leah says:

    [quote comment="323753"]Okay, I found the clip in HD on youtube. It shows the clip the way we are supposed to see it, then twice more. The following two times, the user has messed with the contrast and color balance, but I REALLY REALLY think that this is NOT a clue or hint. I think we were supposed to watch it the way it AIRED!

    : ) P[/quote]
    ////////////////////////
    i ve just watched the repeat showing of NAMASTE.its aired twice on sky,two days running. I didnt see anything in the episode last night …and i didnt see anything tonight[and i was especially watching for something].so ..im not disagreeing, just that maybe if it was meant to be there, then it should have been more prominant?

  495. DocH says:

    I’d like to apologize to EVERYONE! – everyone that has read, scanned or skipped over anything I have suggested here on the boards. If I have ever challenged someones’ opinion – I apologize. If I am insensitive enough to influence anyones’ opinion here in the future – I apologize. I am not asking for forgiveness, or clemency. I am merely stating that I apologize for having made you think. My carefully thought-out words are merely a by-product of the humble life I live, the tentative thoughts I formulate, and the reflective nature of my personality. I know that not all people agree, and, that most people do not agree with me. However, I am keenly aware that the civility with which I conduct myself reflects well upon my parents, my teachers and the people I choose to include in my life (place your picture here).

    That being said… not you Tarzan! You are kind of a simpleton – not that there is anything wrong with that.

  496. gmta leah says:

    HEY! WHATS GOING ON?

  497. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="323753"]Okay, I found the clip in HD on youtube. It shows the clip the way we are supposed to see it, then twice more. The following two times, the user has messed with the contrast and color balance, but I REALLY REALLY think that this is NOT a clue or hint. I think we were supposed to watch it the way it AIRED!

    : ) P[/quote]
    Another red herring? IMO, whether or not it was Claire doesn’t matter. I think the fact that Sun and Ben can interact with Richard dispels all those theories from last year that Claire is dead because she interacted with him. UNLESS, Ben and Sun are dead also, which I highly doubt. So really, for me, this proved Claire IS alive, unlike Charlie.:)

  498. iowakid says:

    I agree with Frank-Hammer is way over the line a lot on this blog. I use to want to post here also. But got very tired listening to Hammer cut people down. So I never posted. Is this Hammers blog? Or is he just a person that has no life other than this blog. Frank maybe did go over the line cussing, but Hammer had it coming.

  499. gmta leah says:

    I just had to ‘imput’ a code so my comment was ‘approved ‘in the style of dharma/lost [496 comment????
    Someones playin silly buggars!

  500. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="323789"]I agree with Frank-Hammer is way over the line a lot on this blog. I use to want to post here also. But got very tired listening to Hammer cut people down. So I never posted. Is this Hammers blog? Or is he just a person that has no life other than this blog. Frank maybe did go over the line cussing, but Hammer had it coming.[/quote]
    ++++++++++++++
    Good ’nuff. I’m outta here.

  501. Rita says:

    [quote comment="323789"]I agree with Frank-Hammer is way over the line a lot on this blog. I use to want to post here also. But got very tired listening to Hammer cut people down. So I never posted. Is this Hammers blog? Or is he just a person that has no life other than this blog. Frank maybe did go over the line cussing, but Hammer had it coming.[/quote]
    _____________________________
    Seriously, what is the matter with you/Frank/hank vega?? Do you not realize that this is a blog to discuss ideas and theories about the show, and not a forum to air your petty jeolousies about people who can clearly articulate and support their ideas? If you want to discuss your IDEAS ABOUT THE SHOW, you are welcome here. If you need a sandbox to play in, I’m sure you can find one someplace else.

  502. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="323790"]I just had to ‘imput’ a code so my comment was ‘approved ‘in the style of dharma/lost [496 comment????
    Someones playin silly buggars![/quote]

    It might be because you had a “link” in your post (even though it was in the reply). I think it is there to make sure that people aren’t spamming the blog with ads. It doesn’t ALWAYS happen so I am not sure what the “signal” to the webmaster is.

    I have found that sometimes if you have more than one link, your post gets rejected completely.

    HTH,

    : ) P

  503. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="323791"]
    Good ’nuff. I’m outta here.[/quote]

    Oh now, Hammer, you’re not going to let a couple of people posing as a whole bunch of people, run you off are you?!

    [quote comment="323789"]I agree with Frank-Hammer is way over the line a lot on this blog. I use to want to post here also. But got very tired listening to Hammer cut people down. So I never posted. Is this Hammers blog? Or is he just a person that has no life other than this blog. Frank maybe did go over the line cussing, but Hammer had it coming.[/quote]

    Hey Iowa, Frank, hank and anyone else who takes offense,

    Find me ONE post when you think Hammer went over the line and then we can talk.

    There are times when any ONE of us can be “read” as unkind, but I think that if you take the EMOTION out of your head when you read things again, you will see that it was not written by a malcontent.

    When Frank wrote his f-word post, however, there was no room for misinterpretation.

    : ) P

  504. gmta leah says:

    [quote comment="323789"]I agree with Frank-Hammer is way over the line a lot on this blog. I use to want to post here also. But got very tired listening to Hammer cut people down. So I never posted. Is this Hammers blog? Or is he just a person that has no life other than this blog. Frank maybe did go over the line cussing, but Hammer had it coming.[/quote]
    [quote comment="323765"]I don’t think Frank owes me an apology. I have been reading this blog for years and hammer has always been that way. If two people have a problem, they should be able to solve it without other people’s intromission. It’s like attacking the most popular girl in school (and the most ennoying too), and seeing all their friends fighting for her, all afraid of losing her friendship.[/quote]
    ///////////////////////////
    Hey ,i take exception to being called anyone s mate!And intervention ,is the right way.sometimes people are bias ,but others are not .there s no “gang of school girls”there s just different views of the same heated arguement.Im even getting on my own nerves now!
    lastly,Id just like to say that when I first started inputting on this blog i thought that other bloggers were shootin me down uneccesarily,and disagreeing with me just to be arkward[no names p.:)]And also i made the mistake of saying that i couldnt be bothered reading all the posts .Which got the reaction we ve just witnesssed.It took another blogger explain it a different way.We all have our different little habits ,and quirks.
    I like to cause trouble.
    L4E, likes to mediate,
    CM,is simpathetic,
    pj,is a mind of infomation and likes to quote facts .
    Hammer is …..in my opinion not the be all and end all.but i would ask him if i had a question about lost.Not his opinion or theory.
    lins,has a sense of humour.[LIZ]
    Duke is hot headed.etc etc.All he others i ve not worked out yet,but i will.
    Now i ve been known to pull some newbie about not reading all the posts first!so what goes around comes around.
    ps.there is a peckin order here and the more your theories are credible, the higher up you go .ha just kidding,
    So lets get off our tall horses and drink our milk eh?

  505. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="323797"]
    So lets get off our tall horses and drink our milk eh?[/quote]

    I’m lactose intolerant. LOL.

    But well said, GMTA Leah.

    : ) P

  506. gmta leah says:

    [quote comment="323794"][quote comment="323790"]I just had to ‘imput’ a code so my comment was ‘approved ‘in the style of dharma/lost [496 comment????
    Someones playin silly buggars![/quote]

    It might be because you had a “link” in your post (even though it was in the reply). I think it is there to make sure that people aren’t spamming the blog with ads. It doesn’t ALWAYS happen so I am not sure what the “signal” to the webmaster is.

    I have found that sometimes if you have more than one link, your post gets rejected completely.

    HTH,

    : ) P[/quote]
    ////////////////////////
    see now ,this is a typical example …If i were a ‘touchy ,pussy’blogger,i would take these remarks as SNARKY[god i hate that word]But im not ,so i wont.

  507. gmta leah says:

    [quote comment="323800"][quote comment="323797"]
    So lets get off our tall horses and drink our milk eh?[/quote]

    I’m lactose intolerant. LOL.

    But well said, GMTA Leah.

    : ) P[/quote]
    I thank you.

  508. gmta leah says:

    last post for tonight ,some of us go to bed at this time.
    We have wasted nearly 30 -40 posts on an arguement that stemmed from not readin all the previous posts .LOL see what you ve done, hankwankcrankfrank ?

  509. wingman says:

    [quote comment="323782"][quote comment="323774"]Just watched the link and I don’t know what to think about the “Claire” in the Sun scene, but I do know one thing, if you watched this episode 100 times, you’d miss it 100 times (I mean they had to spot shadow it just for it to be comprehended)…The 1 or 2 guys who first caught this has probably influenced 90% of the opinions on this, so I don’t really know what to say…I think it would be easy for a production crew to miss this, as is the case with alot of production errors that I’ve seen that are far worse…The dust//smoke (smoke monster) that enters the room before hand makes it even harder to just straight-up dismiss it…So to keep me sane I’m gonna say that we’ll have to chalk this up to the mythology of the show and if it’s explained later then we can all go “Wow”…If it’s never specifically explained (Which at gunpoint I’d say will be the case), then it’s just another one of those creepy LOST moments that only can happen in this show that makes hardcores crazy…[/quote]

    See I don’t know if folks could miss it 100 times as you say. When I watched it the 2nd time, I was unaware of when this ‘Claire’ sighting would pop up, and then when it did, to me, the person is so close to the camera that she’s practically acting like Christian’s sidekick going, “unhuh, unhuh, just what he said.”[/quote]

    ——————————–
    I’m actually gonna amend my statement, because ain’t nuthin HD about that you-tube clip…You can’t see crap with that poor quality (which led to my speculation)…When I got home I watched it IN REAL HD and you can see a blonde-haired girl moving …So it’s most likely Claire, so there(If your brightness setting is low you won’t see it though, because I had to go up like 30% brightness on my computer to see it, but on HDTV you can see it)…I don’t see what’s the fuss is all about once you see it..It has to be Claire (and no not the actress De Ravin, just some body double in her place for now), and she was with him before Locke and company left…

  510. Kate says:

    [quote comment="323151"]
    …Jacks watch has stopped ticking…[/quote]

    Is it Jack’s grandfather’s watch that Christian gave to Jack just before he married Sarah? (from the mobisodes)
    http://io9.com/350689/everything-you-need-to-know-about-lost-missing-pieces-mobisodes

  511. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="323805"]
    I’m actually gonna amend my statement, because ain’t nuthin HD about that you-tube clip…You can’t see crap with that poor quality (which led to my speculation)…[/quote]

    Is it possible that your computer monitor doesn’t show the HD? That clip was HD on my monitor!

    [quote comment="323805"]When I got home I watched it IN REAL HD and you can see a blonde-haired girl moving …So it’s most likely Claire, so there(If your brightness setting is low you won’t see it though, because I had to go up like 30% brightness on my computer to see it, but on HDTV you can see it)[/quote]

    But do you normally WATCH television at that +30% brightness? I think the average viewer does not. I think that the girl was in the room, on the screen and could not be seen by anyone in production because of the lighting. I think it is a production oops and nothing more.

    I think that if she was an easter egg, we would not be required to watch a two second clip in HD with a different brightness setting. I believe an easter egg is someone’s hat with an anagram on it. An easter egg is the a photograph on a desk, or a poster in the background, or the title of a book someone is reading. That woman isn’t an easter egg, it is a needle in a haystack! LOL.

    : ) P

  512. wingman says:

    Dude this is LOST, can we really discount something like this? I’d say to think that it’s Claire, is fair…

  513. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="323809"]Dude this is LOST, can we really discount something like this? I’d say to think that it’s Claire, is fair…[/quote]

    Sure, it’s fair. Is it possible that the fuzzy blonde girl is Claire? Sure.

    I disagree. I backed up my reasons for disagreeing.

    C’est ca.

    : ) P

  514. hank vega says:

    To me the real question is why claire did not time travel. It seems to me that we can declare her oficially dead. So aaron is now an orphan. unless his father is in the island, which would make total sense.

  515. DocH says:

    Who says Claire (dead or alive) did not time travel? She WAS with her dad the last time we saw her. We saw him WHEN (time) ever he goaded broken leg Locke into stabilizing the wheel. We saw him WHEN (time) ever he met with Sun and Frank. Why can’t she (dead or alive) time travel with her (dead or alive) dad, whom she was with the last time we saw her?

    Seems like Locke (dead) time-travelled a little with Ajira and became born again Locke (alive). Maybe that is all it takes to bring back Claire (dead or alive), a tiny time jump.

  516. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="323822"]

    Seems like Locke (dead) time-travelled a little with Ajira and became born again Locke (alive).[/quote]
    Not sure if I agree with that. IMO, I think we need a little more info on that subject, or at least actual dates ( instead of “3 years earlier” or “3 years later”.

  517. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="323817"] So aaron is now an orphan. unless his father is in the island, which would make total sense.[/quote]
    But, as far as we have seen, Aaron is not on the island, so why would his father have to be.

    Why would Claire be officially dead?

  518. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="323809"]Dude this is LOST, can we really discount something like this? I’d say to think that it’s Claire, is fair…[/quote]
    How about Libby?

  519. DocH says:

    [quote comment="323825"]
    How about Libby?
    [/quote]
    I like the Libby thing. But if you buy in to the idea that if they bury you in the dirt – you stay dead, idea, she is one of the ones that got the dirt nap. The burial at sea ritual may allow the dead to return. Christian – coffin goes into the water, or at least not into the dirt (maybe). Seems they found Locke in the water too.

    Here is the one that bothers me. Ajira bounces down the rough runway, runs out of prepared ground just a hundred yards or so from going into water. BUT, the plane is facing in the wrong direction when we see it. 180 degrees out. A few branches are touching the right side of the aircraft, were the co-pilot died… but there is still a bunch open space ahead and to the left of Frank. AND HOW did Locke get a hundred yards, or so, AHEAD of Ajira. The official recap said Ajira had a gash in the belly… Locke’s coffin would had to have come free, exit the gash in the aircraft, then boogey-boarded thru the shrubs, sand and into the surf. Fishy!

  520. gmta leah says:

    Its charlotte.

  521. wingman says:

    [quote comment="323816"][quote comment="323809"]Dude this is LOST, can we really discount something like this? I’d say to think that it’s Claire, is fair…[/quote]

    Sure, it’s fair. Is it possible that the fuzzy blonde girl is Claire? Sure.

    I disagree. I backed up my reasons for disagreeing.

    C’est ca.

    : ) P[/quote]

    ————————–

    Well I was ready to agree until I saw a High Quality episode…The camera is panned so tight onto Sun’s face that it’s almost crazy to think no production personnel would see it (It isn’t like it’s a wide-shot, or a multiple person pan-out, it’s a TIGHT SHOT [Which means you should easily notice anything NOT the focus of the tight shot, which is Sun's face])…Chronologically speaking, she is seen right after the puff of black smoke//dirt//dust enters via the blown door (Don’t even begin to ask me what that really means)…I just don’t see those two items as a random occurrence…But with all this said, as I intimated before, I don’t think any explanation or full scope revelation will come any time soon (if at all)…

    There’s tons of $hit in LOST that I have come to terms with the fact that they will never be properly fleshed out or explained…That’s part of the mythology that has been created, and given LOST’s insatiable hardcore fanbase, I know D&C throw stuff in there to purposely mind-bang us…They just better answer the 4 big ones:

    What’s the smoke monster?
    What is Richard Alpert?
    What is Jacob?
    WTF is this island?

    I don’t think we can hold our breath for much more, so while I believe that it is Claire, I don’t plan to have any fights to the death over it…

  522. hank vega says:

    [quote comment="323822"]Who says Claire (dead or alive) did not time travel? She WAS with her dad the last time we saw her. We saw him WHEN (time) ever he goaded broken leg Locke into stabilizing the wheel. We saw him WHEN (time) ever he met with Sun and Frank. Why can’t she (dead or alive) time travel with her (dead or alive) dad, whom she was with the last time we saw her?

    Seems like Locke (dead) time-travelled a little with Ajira and became born again Locke (alive). Maybe that is all it takes to bring back Claire (dead or alive), a tiny time jump.[/quote]

    Well, I believe Christian did not time travel. When he is with locke (after last flash), it was 2007, and Sun and Frank are in present time also. I think time travel ghosts would mess things up (like they’re not now).

  523. hank vega says:

    [quote comment="323824"][quote comment="323817"] So aaron is now an orphan. unless his father is in the island, which would make total sense.[/quote]
    But, as far as we have seen, Aaron is not on the island, so why would his father have to be.

    Why would Claire be officially dead?[/quote]

    Aaron could have been on the plane and time travel too. I bet he is with Alpert back in ’77.

  524. LizS says:

    [quote comment="323839"][quote comment="323822"]Who says Claire (dead or alive) did not time travel? She WAS with her dad the last time we saw her. We saw him WHEN (time) ever he goaded broken leg Locke into stabilizing the wheel. We saw him WHEN (time) ever he met with Sun and Frank. Why can’t she (dead or alive) time travel with her (dead or alive) dad, whom she was with the last time we saw her?

    Seems like Locke (dead) time-travelled a little with Ajira and became born again Locke (alive). Maybe that is all it takes to bring back Claire (dead or alive), a tiny time jump.[/quote]

    Well, I believe Christian did not time travel. When he is with locke (after last flash), it was 2007, and Sun and Frank are in present time also. I think time travel ghosts would mess things up (like they’re not now).[/quote]
    I don’t think Claire is dead, not that there’s proof one way or the other, just not working this season. Aaron, I kinda expect Ben to have done something to assure his presence on the Island–but we’ll see. And I’m thinking Penny’s around, too, or little Charlie, to draw Desmond back. Also, courtesy of the Linus.

    The time-traveling Christian–he was way back in time with John when he turned the wheel and then in 07 with Sun and Frank, so I think, whatever he is–the spirit of Jack’s father or a manifestation of the Island or Jacob–he’s not bound by time.

    re: the water-rebirth of John Locke–very Baptismal, ey?

    re: Claire in the background–I’m with PJ on this, a production error. Nobody’s perfect. She probably had to open the door on a string or something to let ‘Smokey’ in, or is some effect assistant, or something like that. Nobody I know who saw that ep (outside we the obsessed), saw that.

    Best, Liz

  525. LizS says:

    ugh, rats! Sorry about not adding my separator!!!
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

  526. LizS says:

    [quote comment="323791"][quote comment="323789"][/quote]
    ++++++++++++++
    Good ’nuff. I’m outta here.[/quote]
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Ah, no! C’mon Hammer!!! Your posse o’ school girls NEEDS you.
    Peace, Liz
    …from the No Bully Zone of the Playground

  527. gmta leah says:

    e: Claire in the background–I’m with PJ on this, a production error. Nobody’s perfect. She probably had to open the door on a string or something to let ‘Smokey’ in, or is some effect assistant, or something like that. Nobody I know who saw that ep (outside we the obsessed), saw that.

    Best, Liz

    yep il agree with this only i would put charlotte in place of clare. I couldnt see anything on my tv ,but when i watched the clip from utube,it was as clear as day.To me it looks like a reflection in glass.I say its charlotte because it looks like the dark coloured , cap sleeved t shirt she wore in one of the episodes. Im going to find the scene now.

  528. Hammer says:

    After sleeping on it, I have decided that I am not going to run or even change my ways. Don’t like my comments?…skip ‘em, but they are still coming.

    I am going on record as thinking the person behind Sun is supposed to be there and I think that it may be another hint of who the whispers come from. I think that person may have been who whispered to Christian that Sun and Frank have arrived.

    This is my opinion and NOT a cut down of anyone’s theory. ;)

  529. gmta leah says:

    Well what did i find ? …Clare and charlotte at some point wear the same blue cap sleeve t shirt!

  530. gmta leah says:

    ugh, rats! Sorry about not adding my separator!!!
    /////////////////////////////
    me too

  531. shellonius funk says:

    i think it’s a production error too, but i must say…i like leah’s idea that it might be charlotte.
    mainly because i saw another screen cap (sorry i can’t find it) where you can tell that the girl is wearing a shirt with playing cards on it. and that reminded me of charlotte and daniel’s memory test with the cards.

    http://s5.tinypic.com/szc0ux.jpg

    i don’t have HD…or cable for that matter…but i had friends texting me about the smoke and the mystery girl during the commercial break after that scene…so there are definitely folks that saw it on the first go-round.

  532. Rita says:

    [quote comment="323930"]After sleeping on it, I have decided that I am not going to run or even change my ways. Don’t like my comments?…skip ‘em, but they are still coming.

    I am going on record as thinking the person behind Sun is supposed to be there and I think that it may be another hint of who the whispers come from. I think that person may have been who whispered to Christian that Sun and Frank have arrived.

    This is my opinion and NOT a cut down of anyone’s theory. ;)[/quote]
    _______________________________________
    Welcome back Hammer!

  533. gmta leah says:

    I feel the need to bring up two more points that are bugging me , The mystery woman on the plane ,that ceaser awoke said “sarah”as she was coming round?…And the green eyed man on the beach listening to frank’s rescue speech?

  534. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="323938"]I feel the need to bring up two more points that are bugging me , The mystery woman on the plane ,that ceaser awoke said “sarah”as she was coming round?…And the green eyed man on the beach listening to frank’s rescue speech?[/quote]
    +++++++++
    Someone brought up earlier that she said Jarrah, not Sarah…which makes sense to me since she was responsible for him and might be the first thing she thinks of when she wakes up.

    No ideas about ‘green yes’ yet.

  535. gmta leah says:

    [quote comment="322442"]Hey, what was the name Ilana said when Caesar woke her up after the crash? Sarah? Anybody hear that?[/quote]
    ////////////////////////////
    i just ctrl f .your the only person to mention it GMTA .

  536. gmta leah says:

    [quote comment="323939"][quote comment="323938"]I feel the need to bring up two more points that are bugging me , The mystery woman on the plane ,that ceaser awoke said “sarah”as she was coming round?…And the green eyed man on the beach listening to frank’s rescue speech?[/quote]
    +++++++++
    Someone brought up earlier that she said Jarrah, not Sarah…which makes sense to me since she was responsible for him and might be the first thing she thinks of when she wakes up.

    No ideas about ‘green yes’ yet.[/quote]
    //////////////////////////////////////////
    It was deffinatly “sarah”

  537. shellonius funk says:

    the transcript says “jarrah”.

  538. shellonius funk says:

    LizS brought it up…comment 210.

  539. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="323942"]the transcript says “jarrah”.[/quote]

    I agree she said, “Jarrah.” However, FTR, most transcripts are written by fans and as such, can be incorrect.

    : ) P

  540. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="323941"][quote comment="323939"][quote comment="323938"]I feel the need to bring up two more points that are bugging me , The mystery woman on the plane ,that ceaser awoke said “sarah”as she was coming round?…And the green eyed man on the beach listening to frank’s rescue speech?[/quote]
    +++++++++
    Someone brought up earlier that she said Jarrah, not Sarah…which makes sense to me since she was responsible for him and might be the first thing she thinks of when she wakes up.

    No ideas about ‘green yes’ yet.[/quote]
    //////////////////////////////////////////
    It was deffinatly “sarah”[/quote]
    ++++++++++++++
    (tongue in cheek) It was definately “Jarrah”. LOL.

  541. Rita says:

    [quote comment="323948"][quote comment="323941"][quote comment="323939"][quote comment="323938"]I feel the need to bring up two more points that are bugging me , The mystery woman on the plane ,that ceaser awoke said “sarah”as she was coming round?…And the green eyed man on the beach listening to frank’s rescue speech?[/quote]
    +++++++++
    Someone brought up earlier that she said Jarrah, not Sarah…which makes sense to me since she was responsible for him and might be the first thing she thinks of when she wakes up.

    No ideas about ‘green yes’ yet.[/quote]
    //////////////////////////////////////////
    It was deffinatly “sarah”[/quote]
    ++++++++++++++
    (tongue in cheek) It was definately “Jarrah”. LOL.[/quote]
    _____________________________________
    Well, right now, there is no definite “Sarah” in the picture to tie it to, but there IS a definite “Jarrah” – Sayid. If a Sarah emerges and becomes important, then we’ll talk! :) (I don’t think Jack’s ex counts here – not relevant right now, as far as we can see)

  542. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="323806"][quote comment="323151"]
    …Jacks watch has stopped ticking…[/quote]

    Is it Jack’s grandfather’s watch that Christian gave to Jack just before he married Sarah? (from the mobisodes)
    http://io9.com/350689/everything-you-need-to-know-about-lost-missing-pieces-mobisodes%5B/quote%5D
    Yes, same watch.

    I find it funny that all the posts that think it was Claire seem to be by men and all the posts that don’t think it is Claire seem to be by women. I, of course, don’t think it was Claire.

  543. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="323951"]
    I find it funny that all the posts that think it was Claire seem to be by men and all the posts that don’t think it is Claire seem to be by women. I, of course, don’t think it was Claire.[/quote]
    +++++++++
    FTR, I am a man and don’t know who it is, just that they whisper. :)

  544. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="323952"][quote comment="323951"]
    I find it funny that all the posts that think it was Claire seem to be by men and all the posts that don’t think it is Claire seem to be by women. I, of course, don’t think it was Claire.[/quote]
    +++++++++
    FTR, I am a man and don’t know who it is, just that they whisper. :)[/quote]
    ++++
    Oh well, theory disproved. :>(

  545. Circus Mom says:

    FTR, that was fake pouting.

  546. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="323844"][quote comment="323824"][quote comment="323817"] So aaron is now an orphan. unless his father is in the island, which would make total sense.[/quote]
    But, as far as we have seen, Aaron is not on the island, so why would his father have to be.

    Why would Claire be officially dead?[/quote]
    ++++++++++++++
    Aaron could have been on the plane and time travel too. I bet he is with Alpert back in ’77.[/quote]
    ++++++++++++
    That’s a good theory that Aaron could have been on the plane, I suppose Walt could have possibly been too, but I doubt it. Now why is it you think Claire is “officially” dead? What proof has there been to lead you to this conclusion?

  547. lost4ever says:

    Did anyone notice the title of the book Sawyer was reading? I have had trouble finding this out.

  548. willow says:

    [quote comment="323791"][quote comment="323789"]I agree with Frank-Hammer is way over the line a lot on this blog. I use to want to post here also. But got very tired listening to Hammer cut people down. So I never posted. Is this Hammers blog? Or is he just a person that has no life other than this blog. Frank maybe did go over the line cussing, but Hammer had it coming.[/quote]
    ++++++++++++++
    Good ’nuff. I’m outta here.[/quote]
    ******************************

    Aw Hammer,
    Don’t let the bullies take over the playground. If they keep on winning, they keep on bullying. Don’t let it work for them.

    My two cents worth. I have read this blog for years and rarely comment. Hammer contributes so much to this blog and I think he goes out of his way to keep it civil. He usually does not react to the Franks’s out there, but we all have our limits and they finally found Hammers. The Frank’s contribute nothing to this blog. Hammer does. Come back Hammer!

  549. RGS says:

    [quote comment="323954"][quote comment="323952"][quote comment="323951"]
    I find it funny that all the posts that think it was Claire seem to be by men and all the posts that don’t think it is Claire seem to be by women. I, of course, don’t think it was Claire.[/quote]
    +++++++++
    FTR, I am a man and don’t know who it is, just that they whisper. :)[/quote]
    ++++
    Oh well, theory disproved. :>([/quote]
    ^^^^^^^^^
    It’s disproved, but not by Hammer (you did run off with your skirt hiked up…even if it was temporary lol). Just effin with you Hammer, please don’t ban me.

    I thought PJ was a male though, and he thinks it was a production error too.

  550. wingman says:

    I think it’s hilarious how people who have had to wool thrown over there eyes time and time again can claim without hesitance that something is THIS or THAT…I refrain from beating my chest on this one as it can easily go either way, I’ll just say it’s fair to think that it’s Claire…

  551. Toeknee says:

    dang! I can’t believe I missed “Rag On Hammer Day”. I had that day marked in my calendar for weeks!! Stupid work getting in the way of the important things in life…..

  552. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="323967"]dang! I can’t believe I missed “Rag On Hammer Day”.

    I had that day marked in my calendar for weeks!! Stupid work getting in the way of the important things in life…..[/quote]

    At least you got a chance to catch up, even if you didn’t participate. Just don’t miss any more… I am pretty sure it is Rag on Toeknee day sometime next week. *bg*

    LOL.

    : ) P

  553. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment="323972"][quote comment="323967"]dang! I can’t believe I missed “Rag On Hammer Day”.

    I had that day marked in my calendar for weeks!! Stupid work getting in the way of the important things in life…..[/quote]

    At least you got a chance to catch up, even if you didn’t participate. Just don’t miss any more… I am pretty sure it is Rag on Toeknee day sometime next week. *bg*

    LOL.

    : ) P[/quote]
    ____________________________________
    Oh, that is loooooong overdue. And believe me, I’ll be first in line to take shots at him – er, me.

  554. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="323961"][quote comment="323954"][quote comment="323952"][quote comment="323951"]
    I find it funny that all the posts that think it was Claire seem to be by men and all the posts that don’t think it is Claire seem to be by women. I, of course, don’t think it was Claire.[/quote]
    +++++++++
    FTR, I am a man and don’t know who it is, just that they whisper. :)[/quote]
    ++++
    Oh well, theory disproved. :>([/quote]
    ^^^^^^^^^
    It’s disproved, but not by Hammer (you did run off with your skirt hiked up…even if it was temporary lol). Just effin with you Hammer, please don’t ban me.

    I thought PJ was a male though, and he thinks it was a production error too.[/quote]
    ++++++++++++++++
    Touche RGS. Maybe deserved that. :)

    PJ’s gender? Still a mystery on this island. LOL.

  555. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="323967"]dang! I can’t believe I missed “Rag On Hammer Day”.

    I had that day marked in my calendar for weeks!! Stupid work getting in the way of the important things in life…..[/quote]
    ++++++++++++
    Ah yes…my arch nemesis…Toe-knee (trying to sound like Sienfield saying, “Newman”). “)

  556. PJSander says:

    Just to prove that even D&C podcasts contain errors, check out this article by Michael Ausiello at EW:

    http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2009/03/lost-exclusive.html

    Wow, right?

    : ) P

  557. jaime says:

    [quote comment="323981"]Just to prove that even D&C podcasts contain errors, check out this article by Michael Ausiello at EW:

    http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2009/03/lost-exclusive.html

    Wow, right?

    : ) P[/quote]
    ****************************************

    I know, crazy right. I just read though that D&C are getting ready to do a “we’re sorry Rebbecca” podcast.

  558. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="323961"][quote comment="323954"][quote comment="323952"][quote comment="323951"]
    I find it funny that all the posts that think it was Claire seem to be by men and all the posts that don’t think it is Claire seem to be by women. I, of course, don’t think it was Claire.[/quote]
    +++++++++
    FTR, I am a man and don’t know who it is, just that they whisper. :)[/quote]
    ++++
    Oh well, theory disproved. :>([/quote]
    ^^^^^^^^^
    It’s disproved, but not by Hammer (you did run off with your skirt hiked up…even if it was temporary lol). Just effin with you Hammer, please don’t ban me.

    I thought PJ was a male though, and he thinks it was a production error too.[/quote]
    ++++++++++++++++
    The theory that was disproved was that it is all men who think it’s Claire and women who think it’s a production error. Hammer disproved that.

    I still think it is a production error. NOONE has disproved that to me, yet>

  559. Hammer says:

    Good clarification CM!

  560. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="323984"]

    I still think it is a production error. NOONE has disproved that to me, yet>[/quote]
    And i think it’s soemone, most likely Claire, and noone has disproved that too me either.:)

  561. LizS says:

    See, Damon & Carlton aren’t perfect! But at least they own up and apologize for their errors–that works for me!

    Still going with Smokey’s production assistant on the Lady in the Dark–that, to me, though I could be wrong no doubt, was such a fleeting, mostly unseen bit of the show, that I have a hard time thinking it could have deeper meaning.

    Unlike, say, Jack’s watch, which he kind of made a point of looking at for a whole long bit of time, tapping and shaking the thing.

    Although, to be fair, he did dive into the water with it on, and, you know, it might not be that great of a watch.

    Hey, did anyone try their hand at the ‘name the final twist’ contest? Shall we fess up after the podcast and share? Assuming we’re not mad-busy posting…

    Best, Liz

  562. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="323989"]See, Damon & Carlton aren’t perfect! But at least they own up and apologize for their errors–that works for me!

    Still going with Smokey’s production assistant on the Lady in the Dark–that, to me, though I could be wrong no doubt, was such a fleeting, mostly unseen bit of the show, that I have a hard time thinking it could have deeper meaning.

    Unlike, say, Jack’s watch, which he kind of made a point of looking at for a whole long bit of time, tapping and shaking the thing.

    Although, to be fair, he did dive into the water with it on, and, you know, it might not be that great of a watch.

    Hey, did anyone try their hand at the ‘name the final twist’ contest? Shall we fess up after the podcast and share? Assuming we’re not mad-busy posting…

    Best, Liz[/quote]
    ++++++++++++++
    I’m mad at D&C, not for the Charlotte thing, but for the naming the scene thing. The past couple were actually hints. Maybe vague, but hints none the less. If a random name is picked from a fan……boo!

  563. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="323989"]See, Damon & Carlton aren’t perfect! But at least they own up and apologize for their errors–that works for me!

    Still going with Smokey’s production assistant on the Lady in the Dark–that, to me, though I could be wrong no doubt, was such a fleeting, mostly unseen bit of the show, that I have a hard time thinking it could have deeper meaning.

    Unlike, say, Jack’s watch, which he kind of made a point of looking at for a whole long bit of time, tapping and shaking the thing.

    Although, to be fair, he did dive into the water with it on, and, you know, it might not be that great of a watch.

    Hey, did anyone try their hand at the ‘name the final twist’ contest? Shall we fess up after the podcast and share? Assuming we’re not mad-busy posting…

    Best, Liz[/quote]
    Jacks watch was the Rolex that was handed down from Grandpa Ray to Christian to Jack. Most likely a wind up or self winding analog based on the age.

  564. jaime says:

    [quote comment="323990"][quote comment="323989"][/quote]
    ++++++++++++++
    I’m mad at D&C, not for the Charlotte thing, but for the naming the scene thing. The past couple were actually hints. Maybe vague, but hints none the less. If a random name is picked from a fan……boo![/quote]
    ************************************************
    *******************************************

    That’s what i was thinking Hammer. Can you tell me how this is even possible? How can you name something when you don’t even know what that something may be?

  565. duke says:

    [quote comment="323797"][quote comment="323789"]I agree with Frank-Hammer is way over the line a lot on this blog. I use to want to post here also. But got very tired listening to Hammer cut people down. So I never posted. Is this Hammers blog? Or is he just a person that has no life other than this blog. Frank maybe did go over the line cussing, but Hammer had it coming.[/quote]
    [quote comment="323765"]I don’t think Frank owes me an apology. I have been reading this blog for years and hammer has always been that way. If two people have a problem, they should be able to solve it without other people’s intromission. It’s like attacking the most popular girl in school (and the most ennoying too), and seeing all their friends fighting for her, all afraid of losing her friendship.[/quote]
    ///////////////////////////
    Hey ,i take exception to being called anyone s mate!And intervention ,is the right way.sometimes people are bias ,but others are not .there s no “gang of school girls”there s just different views of the same heated arguement.Im even getting on my own nerves now!
    lastly,Id just like to say that when I first started inputting on this blog i thought that other bloggers were shootin me down uneccesarily,and disagreeing with me just to be arkward[no names p.:)]And also i made the mistake of saying that i couldnt be bothered reading all the posts .Which got the reaction we ve just witnesssed.It took another blogger explain it a different way.We all have our different little habits ,and quirks.
    I like to cause trouble.
    L4E, likes to mediate,
    CM,is simpathetic,
    pj,is a mind of infomation and likes to quote facts .
    Hammer is …..in my opinion not the be all and end all.but i would ask him if i had a question about lost.Not his opinion or theory.
    lins,has a sense of humour.[LIZ]
    Duke is hot headed.etc etc.All he others i ve not worked out yet,but i will.
    Now i ve been known to pull some newbie about not reading all the posts first!so what goes around comes around.
    ps.there is a peckin order here and the more your theories are credible, the higher up you go .ha just kidding,
    So lets get off our tall horses and drink our milk eh?[/quote]
    ______________________________
    Hot Headed? I like to think of it as passionate. LMFAO

  566. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="323994"]That’s what i was thinking Hammer. Can you tell me how this is even possible? How can you name something when you don’t even know what that something may be?[/quote]

    I guess they’re reverting to “bagel” and “challah” which won’t give us ANY kind of clue.

    Of course, they COULD still name it themselves, but TELL us that it was a fan offering, therefore GIVING us a clue but making us THINK that there IS no clue.

    That would be JUST like them to do that.

    I did not participate in the little contest, mostly because I detest wading through ABC dot com so intensely. However, were I to have participated, I would have offered, “The Other White Meat.” It was originally a poor word play on bagel and challah, but then the Others played into it.

    Feel free to take it and run with it, anyone. I think it is not to late to enter.

    : ) P

  567. jaime says:

    [quote comment="323999"][quote comment="323994"]That’s what i was thinking Hammer. Can you tell me how this is even possible? How can you name something when you don’t even know what that something may be?[/quote]

    I guess they’re reverting to “bagel” and “challah” which won’t give us ANY kind of clue.

    Of course, they COULD still name it themselves, but TELL us that it was a fan offering, therefore GIVING us a clue but making us THINK that there IS no clue.

    That would be JUST like them to do that.

    I did not participate in the little contest, mostly because I detest wading through ABC dot com so intensely. However, were I to have participated, I would have offered, “The Other White Meat.” It was originally a poor word play on bagel and challah, but then the Others played into it.

    Feel free to take it and run with it, anyone. I think it is not to late to enter.

    : ) P[/quote]
    **************************************************

    I see what your saying. Basically just come up with some off the wall words. “Snake in the mailbox” etc.
    Now “frozen donkey wheel” turned out to actually mean something. The other white meat…funny
    How about “War, what is it good for” “Flash in the pan” or “Kumbaya”

  568. wingman says:

    Well here’s my shot: “Gooey hare ears”…

  569. jaime says:

    [quote comment="324009"]Well here’s my shot: “Gooey hare ears”…[/quote]
    **************************************

    Ha ha ha….that made me laugh out loud. That’s awesome Wingman

  570. Rita says:

    [quote comment="324009"]Well here’s my shot: “Gooey hare ears”…[/quote]
    ________________________________
    But it might actually fit – or look like a clue :) – if it was about the effects of time travel on the #15 bunny!

  571. younglostfan says:

    ummm not to be rude but the woman sawyer saved it was reaveled a while ago that her baby is ethan creepy right? sawyer saved the claire-snacthing he-demon of doom from not exsiting. but sawyer is still awesome

  572. wingman says:

    Somebody link me to the contest thingy, I think I’m gonna enter this…I think it might have a chance^^…

  573. lost4ever says:

    [quote comment="324041"]Somebody link me to the contest thingy, I think I’m gonna enter this…I think it might have a chance^^…[/quote]
    I am not really sure but I might try a search on google.

    I refuse to enter ANOTHER LOST game. I am in DEAD ( or undead ) last place in the LOST fantasy league, but I am actually proud of that.:) Hopefully, Most Improved next season.

    I also thought DWY was worthless, so far, IMO. We shall see what comes of that.

  574. gmta leah says:

    “That,s all folks” OR
    “We gonna need a bigger boat!”OR
    “Donkey bottom wipers”

  575. RGS says:

    “The Dingo ate your baybay”

    “I Wish I knew how to quit you”

    “Thank you sir, may I have another?”

    “Are those bugle boy jeans?”

  576. LizS says:

    Re: all the names–LOLOLOLOL!!!!
    Thank you, you’ve made my morning! They are all good–BRILLiant, people, to quote my Scottish cousins. Mine’s not near as great, but I’ll throw it in cause I’m among friends–The Fifth Toe.
    Best, Liz

  577. gmta leah says:

    “more tea vicar?”

  578. gmta leah says:

    [quote comment="324204"]Re: all the names–LOLOLOLOL!!!!
    Thank you, you’ve made my morning! They are all good–BRILLiant, people, to quote my Scottish cousins. Mine’s not near as great, but I’ll throw it in cause I’m among friends–The Fifth Toe.
    Best, Liz[/quote]
    ///////////////////////
    OR “Wee,wee,wee,all the way home”to quote your scottish cousins !lol

  579. gmta leah says:

    “Loves labours lost” I could go on forever , but im going to cap it at that.

  580. gmta leah says:

    “[quote comment="324200"]

    “I Wish I knew how to quit you new our new you?”

    [/quote]
    that.

  581. gmta leah says:

    4…8…15…16…23…42..HOUSE!

  582. LostGrrl says:

    Where the heck is today’s episode entry?? What am I to do on my lunch hour if not mindless Lost musings??

  583. DocH says:

    I’ve got one. A football term.

    Student Body Left

  584. Hooked says:

    Question: Does anyone have a theory on why Dr. Pierre Chang goes by so many different names? If you’ve addressed this, please point me in the that direction. Thanks.

  585. jaime says:

    [quote comment="324239"]Question: Does anyone have a theory on why Dr. Pierre Chang goes by so many different names? If you’ve addressed this, please point me in the that direction. Thanks.[/quote]
    ****************************************************

    In every orientation video Change’s lab coat featured either a Flame or Swan logo. His last names “Candle,” “WICKmund” and “HalliWAX” are all references to candles. (IMO) The WHY i don’t know, just theories. No reason has been given yet to why he uses the aliases.

  586. Hooked says:

    That’s curious. I never made THAT connection. Thanks for that, jaime.

  587. jaime says:

    [quote comment="324244"]That’s curious. I never made THAT connection. Thanks for that, jaime.[/quote]

    *************************************************

    Sure, not a prob. :)

  588. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="324239"]Question: Does anyone have a theory on why Dr. Pierre Chang goes by so many different names? If you’ve addressed this, please point me in the that direction. Thanks.[/quote]

    My guess is that the DHARMAites never see each other’s videos, but may TALK* about them. So Chang goes by different names so that it seems like the mothership is bigger than it really is.

    (*Why the DHARMAites would TALK about things, when none of our LOSTies ever did, I just don’t know. LOL)

    : ) P

  589. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="324249"][quote comment="324239"]Question: Does anyone have a theory on why Dr. Pierre Chang goes by so many different names? If you’ve addressed this, please point me in the that direction. Thanks.[/quote]

    My guess is that the DHARMAites never see each other’s videos, but may TALK* about them. So Chang goes by different names so that it seems like the mothership is bigger than it really is.

    (*Why the DHARMAites would TALK about things, when none of our LOSTies ever did, I just don’t know. LOL)

    : ) P[/quote]
    +++++++++++
    I wonder how he gets around New Othertown without people who have seen the videos not seeing him?

  590. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="324258"]
    I wonder how he gets around New Othertown without people who have seen the videos not seeing him?[/quote]

    Off the top of my head… New Otherton residents saw the video where he was CHANG. Other hatch employees live elsewhere and are processed elsewhere, maybe?

    IDK.

    : ) P

  591. shellonius funk says:

    or…tunnels.

  592. shellonius funk says:

    i can’t wait to see him lose the arm! i noticed in the comic con video from this summer that he was flexing his fingers as tho he was losing feeling in it or something.

  593. wallyp says:

    [quote comment="324259"][quote comment="324258"]
    I wonder how he gets around New Othertown without people who have seen the videos not seeing him?[/quote]

    Off the top of my head… New Otherton residents saw the video where he was CHANG. Other hatch employees live elsewhere and are processed elsewhere, maybe?

    IDK.

    : ) P[/quote]

    -Quickly- on you tube the videos all say copywrite 1980 at the end. Maybe every ones so whacked out on cocaine and disco at this point that they just don’t care.

    Also… you mean Dharmaville right?

    Stuffs gonna happen soon. I dont think we really know what goes down between 1977 and 1992, but its probably heavy. May be that Dharma hasn’t even begun to get involved with time science just yet…

  594. shellonius funk says:

    interesting about the 1980 copyrights.
    i also wonder what happens that causes the hanso foundation to stop funding dharma in 87.

  595. Rita says:

    [quote comment="324277"]interesting about the 1980 copyrights.
    i also wonder what happens that causes the hanso foundation to stop funding dharma in 87.[/quote]
    ____________________________________
    Are you sure that they stopped?

  596. wingman says:

    [quote comment="324286"][quote comment="324277"]interesting about the 1980 copyrights.
    i also wonder what happens that causes the hanso foundation to stop funding dharma in 87.[/quote]
    ____________________________________
    Are you sure that they stopped?[/quote]

    ————–

    They TT to the future and saw the bailout fiasco, so they pulled out^^…

  597. Rita says:

    [quote comment="324294"][quote comment="324286"][quote comment="324277"]interesting about the 1980 copyrights.
    i also wonder what happens that causes the hanso foundation to stop funding dharma in 87.[/quote]
    ____________________________________
    Are you sure that they stopped?[/quote]

    ————–

    They TT to the future and saw the bailout fiasco, so they pulled out^^…[/quote]
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    OK, THIS I buy! Funny :)

  598. fwank says:

    wingman wrote
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    They TT to the future – – – fiasco – – – pulled out
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    That would explain all of the “NOBAMA” bumperstickrs on the VW hippee-mobiles.

  599. Mateo says:

    [quote comment="324300"]wingman wrote
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    They TT to the future – – – fiasco – – – pulled out
    [/quote]
    That would explain all of the “NOBAMA” bumperstickrs on the VW hippee-mobiles.[/quote]

    HAHAHA! Hillarious! :)

  600. gmta leah says:

    [quote comment="324241"][quote comment="324239"]Question: Does anyone have a theory on why Dr. Pierre Chang goes by so many different names? If you’ve addressed this, please point me in the that direction. Thanks.[/quote]
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    In every orientation video Change’s lab coat featured either a Flame or Swan logo. His last names “Candle,” “WICKmund” and “HalliWAX” are all references to candles. (IMO) The WHY i don’t know, just theories. No reason has been given yet to why he uses the aliases.[/quote]
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  601. shellonius funk says:

    rita…re the funding, it was revealed in The Lost Experience.

  602. Elveszett says:

    This might have been addressed above, but I didn’t find it –
    Does anyone have any idea why Sun didn’t land in the past with the other losties?
    I just can’t get my head around it…

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