The thing I am trying to figure out still is the whole ’108 minutes’ thing. If that was preventing another ‘incident’ or saving us from the end of the world somehow then why has that not happened yet? What exactly was the fail safe key’s role? If it could have just ended all this nonsense in regards to entering the numbers earlier than why did it not get used earlier? If the creator of the fail safe key only wanted it be used in a last ditch effort type thing than there has to be some terrible consequence for using it. What is that consequence and why have we not seen it yet? More than 108 minutes passed on the island after the key was used…… Or, have we been given the consequence already but just don’t recognize it yet?
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I posted this on April 3… Just a thought i Had…
Remember, the time loop theory referenced by Adapa1. There may be a problem because if time truly looped, the relevant timeliness for each character would reset to what they were at the beginning of the loop. Perhaps the time line was skewed in the past say eight months for example. The pushing of the button allowed the relevant time line to continue, eight months in the past, rather then catch up with “San Dimas time”. (Reference to Bill and Teds Excellent Adventure – “The clock is still running”) In this way, the character’s personal time lines would seem linear from their personal points of view. This is why Ben and the Others living in Dharmaville don’t perceive a repeat of time, but are living a continuous linear lifestyle.

The thing I am trying to figure out still is the whole ’108 minutes’ thing. If that was preventing another ‘incident’ or saving us from the end of the world somehow then why has that not happened yet? What exactly was the fail safe key’s role? If it could have just ended all this nonsense in regards to entering the numbers earlier than why did it not get used earlier? If the creator of the fail safe key only wanted it be used in a last ditch effort type thing than there has to be some terrible consequence for using it. What is that consequence and why have we not seen it yet? More than 108 minutes passed on the island after the key was used…… Or, have we been given the consequence already but just don’t recognize it yet?
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IMO, since we are seeing this played out in a disjointed fashion, we will never know what didn’t happen. We will only know what ‘actually’ happened. Everytime something of note occurs, people who are following this line of reasoning can say, “see, that’s what happened, it didn’t happen any other way,” and the proof will be what is aired on the show.

To the extent that you are saying things can change–I would say, well it isn’t changing, that’s how it always was. We’d have to see an actual revisit of an event and different outcome from what has been presented on the show, in order to prove that something changed. Otherwise you’d be essentially having your own version of LOST, catered to your own imagination and theory of what should be happening. Prime example would be the birth of Aaron, and IF Sawyer would have run over and interacted.

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I agree with RGS on this – we may never get a definitive answer that will satisfy everyone. We’ve been told by the characters on the show that there is only one version of how things happened, so that is what I believe to be the rule. The only way I would change my thought on that is if they reenact a scene from a previous episode, and it plays out differently than it did the first time it aired.

Jayne hear rumor Tarzan “sexy” and come to Big Island to check out.

Tarzan sexy!

Jayne now wonders why Yoda on wrong Island.

Jayne thinks Yoda belong on Endor wih small fuzzies!

Again, I think that scene with Hurley and Miles was only provided to help explain TT to the confused viewers. If there wasn’t so much confusion on these discussion boards, that scene may never have occurred.[/quote]
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Funny you mentioned that Toeknee. I was listening to the podcast this morning and they said the scene was written before the season premier was aired. They also appear to be torn on the WHH explanation.[/quote]
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Dang! Yet another theory down the tubes.

Thanks for the clarification, L4E. I’ve been avoiding the podcasts lately, but now you’ve got my curiosity piqued (sp?) so I may have to listen.

Jayne is concerned about Big Island Hostiles “Welcoming Committee.”

Does Jayne need to leave Island, or sacrifice self to Island Temple?

Jayne not get mad over lack of spell checker, or people not like her.

Jayne still LUVS Tarzan.

Jayne just worried about Tarzan eying “yellow-haired goddess.”

Jayne contemplates cat-fight with “yellow-haired goddess.”

The thing I am trying to figure out still is the whole ’108 minutes’ thing. If that was preventing another ‘incident’ or saving us from the end of the world somehow then why has that not happened yet? What exactly was the fail safe key’s role? If it could have just ended all this nonsense in regards to entering the numbers earlier than why did it not get used earlier? If the creator of the fail safe key only wanted it be used in a last ditch effort type thing than there has to be some terrible consequence for using it. What is that consequence and why have we not seen it yet? More than 108 minutes passed on the island after the key was used…… Or, have we been given the consequence already but just don’t recognize it yet?
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IMO, since we are seeing this played out in a disjointed fashion, we will never know what didn’t happen. We will only know what ‘actually’ happened. Everytime something of note occurs, people who are following this line of reasoning can say, “see, that’s what happened, it didn’t happen any other way,” and the proof will be what is aired on the show.

To the extent that you are saying things can change–I would say, well it isn’t changing, that’s how it always was. We’d have to see an actual revisit of an event and different outcome from what has been presented on the show, in order to prove that something changed. Otherwise you’d be essentially having your own version of LOST, catered to your own imagination and theory of what should be happening. Prime example would be the birth of Aaron, and IF Sawyer would have run over and interacted.

As far as the 108 minutes situation, that was something that appears to be Dharam created, but I struggle with it because I can’t imagine Dharma having the ability to effect all of humanity, it seems that would be something that would’ve been coming from the Other’s camp. Maybe Dharma creates it under the direction of someone “in the know,” but to the extent that they can effect humanity with this 108 minute clock, it seems that they would be unaware of whatever catastrophe that would occur. Otherwise I think they would not be as lax with it.

So my theory on it, is that the 108 min. clock was created solely for the purpose of Desmond bringing down 815, so that in some kind of way, it would ensure that all of these chain of events happen. It’s not much but I need more to be revealed.

You make a lot of sense here, Flyboy. I’ve seen that before (Hammer maybe?) and it really clicked for me.

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I’m pretty sure I’m not the only one. The Numbers Theory thread is one of the places I brought it up along with the key turning being important (last paragraph of the Theory).