The Substitute

Locke - Lost Season 6 - The Substitute

Last week ended with the re-emergence of Claire, and at this point it’s difficult to determine what direction/role her character may take.  Jack was told that she experienced some type of infection, comparable to what Sayid is now said to be suffering from.

Tonight’s episode will be Locke-centric, which means we should get a good dose of “evil” Locke, as well as some additional backstory on what is happening with Locke in the alternate timeline.  Clearly the first episode of this season set-up the liklihood that Locke will seek out Jack to potentially evaluate his spinal condition to determine if there is a way he can walk again.

Episode Description:

“Locke goes in search of help to further his cause”

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353 Responses to The Substitute

  1. RGS says:

    to continue from the other thread…

    Mal you typed,
    “Thanks, that makes (relative) sense… I guess the notion is that setting off the bomb was the variable… then I want to know what the future is of the 1977-without-the-explosion timeline is!
    I still say that there would/should be many alternate timelines after they travel to 1977 (or anywhere in the past, for the matter), though I’ll accept the variable-v-constant time continuum concept…”

    What I was trying to say, is that you ARE seeing what the future of 1977 without the explosion…that’s the events taking place in “Season 6 Island 2007.” The Incident just caused the Losties to flash.

    Alternatively, if the bomb exploded, “Season 6 Real World 2004″ is the storyline we see.

  2. Mal says:

    [quote comment=”370677″]to continue from the other thread…

    Mal you typed,
    “Thanks, that makes (relative) sense… I guess the notion is that setting off the bomb was the variable… then I want to know what the future is of the 1977-without-the-explosion timeline is!
    I still say that there would/should be many alternate timelines after they travel to 1977 (or anywhere in the past, for the matter), though I’ll accept the variable-v-constant time continuum concept…”

    What I was trying to say, is that you ARE seeing what the future of 1977 without the explosion…that’s the events taking place in “Season 6 Island 2007.” The Incident just caused the Losties to flash.

    Alternatively, if the bomb exploded, “Season 6 Real World 2004″ is the storyline we see.[/quote]

    Ahh okay, so you’re saying that the 1977 Lost crew would have time traveled to 2007, regardless of the bomb or not? I get it now! Then the only question is “what made the time jump again”… though given the many other questions we all have, that one isn’t as urgent.

    Thanks for the explanation!

  3. Mateo says:

    YES! Finally a Locke episode!!

  4. wallyp says:

    [quote comment=”370678″][quote comment=”370677″]to continue from the other thread…

    Mal you typed,
    “Thanks, that makes (relative) sense… I guess the notion is that setting off the bomb was the variable… then I want to know what the future is of the 1977-without-the-explosion timeline is!
    I still say that there would/should be many alternate timelines after they travel to 1977 (or anywhere in the past, for the matter), though I’ll accept the variable-v-constant time continuum concept…”

    What I was trying to say, is that you ARE seeing what the future of 1977 without the explosion…that’s the events taking place in “Season 6 Island 2007.” The Incident just caused the Losties to flash.

    Alternatively, if the bomb exploded, “Season 6 Real World 2004″ is the storyline we see.[/quote]

    Ahh okay, so you’re saying that the 1977 Lost crew would have time traveled to 2007, regardless of the bomb or not? I get it now! Then the only question is “what made the time jump again”… though given the many other questions we all have, that one isn’t as urgent.

    Thanks for the explanation![/quote]

    I was sort of talking about this in the last thread… I think that one of the huge problems was that there was a mess of timelines (or loops moreso) to begin with, and the point of exploding the bomb was to put an end to that. SO—if the bomb “worked” as Juliet said, my guess is that things were actually -corrected- in the real world, but the remaining losties still are on the island, cuz they aint quite finished yet…. Coming back to 2007 would not be a “flash” this time, it would be a correction. 2007 was where they belonged at this point in their lives, not 2004 not 1977…

  5. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment=”370677″]to continue from the other thread…

    Mal you typed,
    “Thanks, that makes (relative) sense… I guess the notion is that setting off the bomb was the variable… then I want to know what the future is of the 1977-without-the-explosion timeline is!
    I still say that there would/should be many alternate timelines after they travel to 1977 (or anywhere in the past, for the matter), though I’ll accept the variable-v-constant time continuum concept…”

    What I was trying to say, is that you ARE seeing what the future of 1977 without the explosion…that’s the events taking place in “Season 6 Island 2007.” The Incident just caused the Losties to flash.

    Alternatively, if the bomb exploded, “Season 6 Real World 2004″ is the storyline we see.[/quote]
    I’m not entirely sure about this. I don’t think they’re presenting the story in terms of if or if not the bomb exploded. I think whatever happened at the end of season 5 (whether or not the bomb actually exploded), both timelines we’re now seeing are a result of those events.

    Think about it this way – as we watched adult Jack, Sayid, etc at the end of S5, in 1977, trying to detonate the bomb, at the same time there is a child version of Jack, Sayid, etc back in LA, Iraq, etc. Those people grow up to be the people we saw on the plane in the “LA X” episode. Those versions of Jack, Sayid, etc were unaffected by the island (perhaps because the island sunk as a result of the bomb detonation?). But at the end of S5/beginning of S6, we saw that in the other timeline the adult versions of Jack, Sayid etc flashed from 1977 to 2007. I may be completely wrong, but I think that what ever happened at the end of S5 caused the original timeline to split in to the two branches we’ve been watching so far this season.

  6. little prince says:

    people have been debating alot over these 2 timelines..i think we are looking too far into it…
    when the losties made the incident in 77 it made ONE tangent timeline..thats the one where they are still on the island with flocke…the flash sideways is just what would happen if they never crash…why is it harder than that?

  7. Mal says:

    [quote comment=”370683″]people have been debating alot over these 2 timelines..i think we are looking too far into it…
    when the losties made the incident in 77 it made ONE tangent timeline..thats the one where they are still on the island with flocke…the flash sideways is just what would happen if they never crash…why is it harder than that?[/quote]

    Because it’s not just ‘what would happen if they never crashed’… we see that the Island is now underwater in the new 2004. We also see that the characters’ lives are slightly different as a result of the island sinking… ex, Hurley is now “lucky”, having used lottery numbers that were not connected to the island.

  8. little prince says:

    right…and all thier lives are going to be intertwined..because “whatever happened happened”…just this time its gonna happen alittle different

  9. RGS says:

    [quote comment=”370682″] I’m not entirely sure about this. I don’t think they’re presenting the story in terms of if or if not the bomb exploded. I think whatever happened at the end of season 5 (whether or not the bomb actually exploded), both timelines we’re now seeing are a result of those events.

    Think about it this way – as we watched adult Jack, Sayid, etc at the end of S5, in 1977, trying to detonate the bomb, at the same time there is a child version of Jack, Sayid, etc back in LA, Iraq, etc. Those people grow up to be the people we saw on the plane in the “LA X” episode. Those versions of Jack, Sayid, etc were unaffected by the island (perhaps because the island sunk as a result of the bomb detonation?). But at the end of S5/beginning of S6, we saw that in the other timeline the adult versions of Jack, Sayid etc flashed from 1977 to 2007. I may be completely wrong, but I think that what ever happened at the end of S5 caused the original timeline to split in to the two branches we’ve been watching so far this season.[/quote]

    We may be on the same page, but I’m not sure. To me the bomb had to have detonated to cause Season 6. Otherwise the next scene would have been Radsinsky and his boys cleaning house, escorting the ‘hostiles’ to the submarine or their holding cells.

    So bomb explodes and erases everything/island sinks, LA X. OR

    Bomb explodes and causes the time flash to 2007. Chang is unable to explain all that happened, so he calls it The Incident in his video. Fires him up to continue their experiments with the rabbit and what not.

    Something had to have caused the flash to ’07. I call it a flash because that was Jin’s take so I’m hoping that was the writer’s way of quickly explaining it.

    I tend to think the two storylines we are seeing are mutually exclusive otherwise, how would Jin/Sun marriage be reconciled? Because she flashed to “S6 Island 2007″ trying to reach the person she married as if the bomb did not destroy the island. “S6 Real World 2004″ Sun would have to somehow flash out of that reality, no? Would they try to introduce another “zany” incident?

  10. Mal says:

    [quote comment=”370686″][quote comment=”370682″] I’m not entirely sure about this. I don’t think they’re presenting the story in terms of if or if not the bomb exploded. I think whatever happened at the end of season 5 (whether or not the bomb actually exploded), both timelines we’re now seeing are a result of those events.

    Think about it this way – as we watched adult Jack, Sayid, etc at the end of S5, in 1977, trying to detonate the bomb, at the same time there is a child version of Jack, Sayid, etc back in LA, Iraq, etc. Those people grow up to be the people we saw on the plane in the “LA X” episode. Those versions of Jack, Sayid, etc were unaffected by the island (perhaps because the island sunk as a result of the bomb detonation?). But at the end of S5/beginning of S6, we saw that in the other timeline the adult versions of Jack, Sayid etc flashed from 1977 to 2007. I may be completely wrong, but I think that what ever happened at the end of S5 caused the original timeline to split in to the two branches we’ve been watching so far this season.[/quote]

    We may be on the same page, but I’m not sure. To me the bomb had to have detonated to cause Season 6. Otherwise the next scene would have been Radsinsky and his boys cleaning house, escorting the ‘hostiles’ to the submarine or their holding cells.

    So bomb explodes and erases everything/island sinks, LA X. OR

    Bomb explodes and causes the time flash to 2007. Chang is unable to explain all that happened, so he calls it The Incident in his video. Fires him up to continue their experiments with the rabbit and what not.

    Something had to have caused the flash to ’07. I call it a flash because that was Jin’s take so I’m hoping that was the writer’s way of quickly explaining it.

    I tend to think the two storylines we are seeing are mutually exclusive otherwise, how would Jin/Sun marriage be reconciled? Because she flashed to “S6 Island 2007″ trying to reach the person she married as if the bomb did not destroy the island. “S6 Real World 2004″ Sun would have to somehow flash out of that reality, no? Would they try to introduce another “zany” incident?[/quote]

    It makes sense that the incident that we hear about at first is not the bomb explosion… before the bomb exploded, the pocket of electromagnetic energy had already been tapped, therefore all of the construction equipment was being sucked into the hole… the only difference, or variable, the second time around was that the Lost Crew decided to introduce a bomb into the mix.

    As I see it, everything leading up to the incident happened as we saw it… Therefore, the incident we hear about was the electromagnetic field going wonky, which led to a “flash”, and then five people went missing (read, time flash, Jack, Kate, et al, traveled in time to 2007). Or, if we were to hear it from a Dharma perspective:

    “The electomagnetic field was tapped, it started pulling all of the construction equipment into the hole, it was a huge mess! Then all of a sudden, there was a big purple flash, and a few people just disappeared…”

    And they called it the incident.

    The variable was the bomb… it presumably caused the island to sink, but the time flash happened at the same time, so the crew were transported safely to 2007.

  11. little prince says:

    i want to know what Lapiedus could be a “canidate” for…i believe he was sopposed to be the pilot on Oceanic and thats why Smokey grabbed the other pilot (the actor from heroes) in the first season and ripped him up…

    I am also very curious to see what the other characters are doing in this flash sideways…since they show Ethan i think its safe to assume they will show other Others as well..i wanna see Ben and how he turned out without the islands influence

  12. RGS says:

    [quote comment=”370687″]
    It makes sense that the incident that we hear about at first is not the bomb explosion… before the bomb exploded, the pocket of electromagnetic energy had already been tapped, therefore all of the construction equipment was being sucked into the hole… the only difference, or variable, the second time around was that the Lost Crew decided to introduce a bomb into the mix.

    As I see it, everything leading up to the incident happened as we saw it… Therefore, the incident we hear about was the electromagnetic field going wonky, which led to a “flash”, and then five people went missing (read, time flash, Jack, Kate, et al, traveled in time to 2007). Or, if we were to hear it from a Dharma perspective:

    “The electomagnetic field was tapped, it started pulling all of the construction equipment into the hole, it was a huge mess! Then all of a sudden, there was a big purple flash, and a few people just disappeared…”

    And they called it the incident.

    The variable was the bomb… it presumably caused the island to sink, but the time flash happened at the same time, so the crew were transported safely to 2007.[/quote]

    The only edit I’d make to the Dharma perspective statement you laid out is, “The electomagnetic field was tapped, all of a sudden there was gun play. It was crazy, we were calling for backup but as the backup was arriving, one of the hostiles ran up to the drill and dropped what looked to be some kind of detonator from the 50s but it had to be a magnet or something! Before I knew it, the magnet thing started pulling all of the construction equipment into the hole, it was a huge mess! Then all of a sudden, there was a big purple flash, and a few people just disappeared…”

  13. wallyp says:

    Try thinking of it this way… Time OFF the island exists and can be effected by PEOPLE who have been to the island… However time ON the island is meaningless, therefore even if time changes OFF the island the island itself still never does, and always continues foward in one way or another…. This 2007 island that the losties are on is in no way changed due to “changing the past” because whatever happened happened…

    PS… I really hope nobody cries tonite! I accepted Kate crying, she was in an uncontrollable rift crying about claire, sort of like Daniel Faraday when he was reminded of 815. But SAWYER had better pull himself together! Geez…

  14. wallyp says:

    [quote comment=”370688″]i want to know what Lapiedus could be a “canidate” for…i believe he was sopposed to be the pilot on Oceanic and thats why Smokey grabbed the other pilot (the actor from heroes) in the first season and ripped him up…

    [/quote]

    See, I think that too. “Supposed to be” meaning “he -WAS-” before time was all f’d up…

  15. Mal says:

    I wonder if Locke will follow up with Jack on that offer to fix his spine…

  16. Mal says:

    [quote comment=”370692″][quote comment=”370688″]i want to know what Lapiedus could be a “canidate” for…i believe he was sopposed to be the pilot on Oceanic and thats why Smokey grabbed the other pilot (the actor from heroes) in the first season and ripped him up…

    [/quote]

    See, I think that too. “Supposed to be” meaning “he -WAS-” before time was all f’d up…[/quote]

    Maybe a candidate for being a Jacob bodyguard?

  17. Aldo says:

    I wonder if Locke will follow up with Jack on that offer to fix his spine…

    i think he does…and jack fixes him…somehow i have to think that everythings gonna be all happy at the end…sawyer and julliette are together…Locke is nice cool locke not always gettin pooped on by the world…sayids with that nadia broad…des and penny are happy and together..ha maybe charlie and claire find each other and finally bang…
    bow chicka wow wow…claires the hotest chick on the show..kate used to be…now she just pisses me off

  18. wallyp says:

    Mal, comment 10, …I like the way you put that… five people dissapeared being originally “the incident…” I think we are going to find that those five people were not always Jack, Kate,Sayid, Hurley …whatever, but there was always a group. The variable is how it got to be over the course of “time-loops” our group.

    I dunno if tonites show is going to prove any of this though. Tonites about Locke. Ace kickin, hard core locke style yo— no crying! I hope!

  19. little prince says:

    ya, thats probly all they would be talking about. I cant really see them being like “ok frank,ur the leader now”

  20. Tasker says:

    [quote comment=”370683″]people have been debating alot over these 2 timelines..i think we are looking too far into it…
    when the losties made the incident in 77 it made ONE tangent timeline..thats the one where they are still on the island with flocke…the flash sideways is just what would happen if they never crash…why is it harder than that?[/quote]
    ————————————
    How about this – Both stories are ONE timeline now. The “sideways” story is actually the new, real 2004 that will eventaully lead us to where the Losties are at now in 2007. Regardless of O815 not crashing, they still end up there in 2007, only with different background memories that we have not seen or heard them mention yet.

  21. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”370698″][quote comment=”370683″]people have been debating alot over these 2 timelines..i think we are looking too far into it…
    when the losties made the incident in 77 it made ONE tangent timeline..thats the one where they are still on the island with flocke…the flash sideways is just what would happen if they never crash…why is it harder than that?[/quote]
    ————————————
    How about this – Both stories are ONE timeline now. The “sideways” story is actually the new, real 2004 that will eventaully lead us to where the Losties are at now in 2007. Regardless of O815 not crashing, they still end up there in 2007, only with different background memories that we have not seen or heard them mention yet.[/quote]
    Good idea. FYI I think it’s the same as POST 376 by PJ Sander (who poached it) of the “LA X” thread on this blog.

  22. little prince says:

    How about this – Both stories are ONE timeline now. The “sideways” story is actually the new, real 2004 that will eventaully lead us to where the Losties are at now in 2007. Regardless of O815 not crashing, they still end up there in 2007, only with different background memories that we have not seen or heard them mention yet

    -that cant be the case because when kate woke up in the tree…after she climbs down she remembers the hatch…Jin also remembers Montand and the arm..and where the temple is…
    i think there is 2 timelines…one good one where they never land on the island…and things still happen…but they happen for the better…i think the flash sideways is a happy timeline..influenced by the good in characters and not manipulated and played with by these outside forces (island/Jacob/MIB)

  23. little prince says:

    [quote comment=”370699″][quote comment=”370698″][quote comment=”370683″]people have been debating alot over these 2 timelines..i think we are looking too far into it…
    when the losties made the incident in 77 it made ONE tangent timeline..thats the one where they are still on the island with flocke…the flash sideways is just what would happen if they never crash…why is it harder than that?[/quote]
    ————————————
    How about this – Both stories are ONE timeline now. The “sideways” story is actually the new, real 2004 that will eventaully lead us to where the Losties are at now in 2007. Regardless of O815 not crashing, they still end up there in 2007, only with different background memories that we have not seen or heard them mention yet.[/quote]
    Good idea. FYI I think it’s the same as POST 376 by PJ Sander (who poached it) of the “LA X” thread on this blog.[/quote]

    just seein if this is how you Quote and reply…

  24. little prince says:

    sweet..ok…game on…

  25. Mal says:

    [quote comment=”370698″][quote comment=”370683″]people have been debating alot over these 2 timelines..i think we are looking too far into it…
    when the losties made the incident in 77 it made ONE tangent timeline..thats the one where they are still on the island with flocke…the flash sideways is just what would happen if they never crash…why is it harder than that?[/quote]
    ————————————
    How about this – Both stories are ONE timeline now. The “sideways” story is actually the new, real 2004 that will eventaully lead us to where the Losties are at now in 2007. Regardless of O815 not crashing, they still end up there in 2007, only with different background memories that we have not seen or heard them mention yet.[/quote]

    But, Sawyer is clearly lamenting Juliet’s death, which happened because of the 1977 bomb… also, they were speaking of the Swan station that Desmond blew up…

    And, at this time, we know that Sun, Ben, and Locke are on the island with the rest of the Ajira flight that crahsed in 2007… so I’m not sure that this is possible. But maybe…

  26. Hammer says:

    To me, the bomb’s detonator being detonated in 1977 does not mean Juliette died in ’77 during her TT. The detonation seemed work in conjunction with the magnetic release from the drilling to be the event that flashed Juliette et al to ’07 and that’s when she died…in ’07, of her wounds from falling down the drill hole. She was clearly alive in ’07 evidenced by the rest of the Losties seeing the Temple flare. This would make sense with WHH because even though her ’04-’07 self lived in ’74-’77 because of TT, she was technically alive until ’07. So IMO, that doesn’t discount the theory.

    My eyes just crossed.

  27. MT says:

    [quote comment=”370703″][quote comment=”370698″][quote comment=”370683″]people have been debating alot over these 2 timelines..i think we are looking too far into it…
    when the losties made the incident in 77 it made ONE tangent timeline..thats the one where they are still on the island with flocke…the flash sideways is just what would happen if they never crash…why is it harder than that?[/quote]
    ————————————
    How about this – Both stories are ONE timeline now. The “sideways” story is actually the new, real 2004 that will eventaully lead us to where the Losties are at now in 2007. Regardless of O815 not crashing, they still end up there in 2007, only with different background memories that we have not seen or heard them mention yet.[/quote]

    But, Sawyer is clearly lamenting Juliet’s death, which happened because of the 1977 bomb… also, they were speaking of the Swan station that Desmond blew up…

    And, at this time, we know that Sun, Ben, and Locke are on the island with the rest of the Ajira flight that crahsed in 2007… so I’m not sure that this is possible. But maybe…[/quote]
    Did Juliet die because the bomb went off? I thought she died from injuries she sustained falling to the bottom of the pit and having all that stuff piled on top of her from the electromagnetic energy. She was hurt before the bomb went off.

    Also, does it still have any relevance that Richard told Sun in S5 that he watched “them” all die? (Losties in 1977 new island recruit photo)

  28. Hammer says:

    MT, @ Richard seeing them die. I think so. The Losties are the only ones who were doing the time jumping (remember that old debate?). So Richard likely saw the incident and/or assumed they all died because they flashed out of ’77 to ’07. So Richard doesn’t see them again until ’04. I think we likely won’t hear anymore about the subject, because they wrapped up what we were supposed to make of it when it happened in “LA X”.

  29. Duke says:

    [quote comment=”370683″]people have been debating alot over these 2 timelines..i think we are looking too far into it…
    when the losties made the incident in 77 it made ONE tangent timeline..thats the one where they are still on the island with flocke…the flash sideways is just what would happen if they never crash…why is it harder than that?[/quote]
    Because they have made it somewhat obvious that the new timeline losties remember something from the other timeline with all the sideways (pun intended) glances and such.

  30. Geo says:

    URGENT!!!!
    I am not going to be able to watch the episode tonight. What is the best way to catch it on replay. I have tried going to ABC.com but it always seems to be lagging.

  31. little prince says:

    [quote comment=”370708″]URGENT!!!!
    I am not going to be able to watch the episode tonight. What is the best way to catch it on replay. I have tried going to ABC.com but it always seems to be lagging.[/quote]

    DVR cause this is America

  32. MT says:

    [quote comment=”370706″]MT, @ Richard seeing them die. I think so. The Losties are the only ones who were doing the time jumping (remember that old debate?). So Richard likely saw the incident and/or assumed they all died because they flashed out of ’77 to ’07. So Richard doesn’t see them again until ’04. I think we likely won’t hear anymore about the subject, because they wrapped up what we were supposed to make of it when it happened in “LA X”.[/quote]
    Got it, thanks. :)

  33. Mal says:

    [quote comment=”370705″][quote comment=”370703″][quote comment=”370698″][quote comment=”370683″]people have been debating alot over these 2 timelines..i think we are looking too far into it…
    when the losties made the incident in 77 it made ONE tangent timeline..thats the one where they are still on the island with flocke…the flash sideways is just what would happen if they never crash…why is it harder than that?[/quote]
    ————————————
    How about this – Both stories are ONE timeline now. The “sideways” story is actually the new, real 2004 that will eventaully lead us to where the Losties are at now in 2007. Regardless of O815 not crashing, they still end up there in 2007, only with different background memories that we have not seen or heard them mention yet.[/quote]

    But, Sawyer is clearly lamenting Juliet’s death, which happened because of the 1977 bomb… also, they were speaking of the Swan station that Desmond blew up…

    And, at this time, we know that Sun, Ben, and Locke are on the island with the rest of the Ajira flight that crahsed in 2007… so I’m not sure that this is possible. But maybe…[/quote]
    Did Juliet die because the bomb went off? I thought she died from injuries she sustained falling to the bottom of the pit and having all that stuff piled on top of her from the electromagnetic energy. She was hurt before the bomb went off.

    Also, does it still have any relevance that Richard told Sun in S5 that he watched “them” all die? (Losties in 1977 new island recruit photo)[/quote]

    Right, sorry, my bad – that the bomb went off is still unknown (though I believe it did go off), and that Juliet died from the bomb detonating clearly is not the case – but, regardless, she fell down the hole in 1977, so that makes me think that she and the others that flashed with her flashed from 1977, and they did not end up on the island in 2007 because of post 2004 LA landing adventures… (my eyes just crossed too).

    As for Richard saying he saw them die – what he probably saw was what they call the “incident” – the malfunction of the electromagnetic field that caused the Losties to time travel to 2007. He sees the flash of light, he sees them disappear, and thinks, like the rest of the bystanders, that they died. Remember, in the 1950s, when Richard sees Locke flash through time, he seems pretty darned surprised… meaning he’s not privy to the whole island-can-bend-time-realities concept.

    Furthermore, this would be in the “bomb did not explode”, Losties flashed back to 2007 reality. In my mind, when the bomb did explode due to Juliet’s resilience (wanting to save Sawyer from the evils of the island), it caused the island to sink and everyone to land in LA. In this reality, we have no idea what happens in 2007, and it’s likely that Richard is dead!

  34. MT says:

    [quote comment=”370711″][quote comment=”370705″][quote comment=”370703″][quote comment=”370698″][quote comment=”370683″]people have been debating alot over these 2 timelines..i think we are looking too far into it…
    when the losties made the incident in 77 it made ONE tangent timeline..thats the one where they are still on the island with flocke…the flash sideways is just what would happen if they never crash…why is it harder than that?[/quote]
    ————————————
    How about this – Both stories are ONE timeline now. The “sideways” story is actually the new, real 2004 that will eventaully lead us to where the Losties are at now in 2007. Regardless of O815 not crashing, they still end up there in 2007, only with different background memories that we have not seen or heard them mention yet.[/quote]

    But, Sawyer is clearly lamenting Juliet’s death, which happened because of the 1977 bomb… also, they were speaking of the Swan station that Desmond blew up…

    And, at this time, we know that Sun, Ben, and Locke are on the island with the rest of the Ajira flight that crahsed in 2007… so I’m not sure that this is possible. But maybe…[/quote]
    Did Juliet die because the bomb went off? I thought she died from injuries she sustained falling to the bottom of the pit and having all that stuff piled on top of her from the electromagnetic energy. She was hurt before the bomb went off.

    Also, does it still have any relevance that Richard told Sun in S5 that he watched “them” all die? (Losties in 1977 new island recruit photo)[/quote]

    Right, sorry, my bad – that the bomb went off is still unknown (though I believe it did go off), and that Juliet died from the bomb detonating clearly is not the case – but, regardless, she fell down the hole in 1977, so that makes me think that she and the others that flashed with her flashed from 1977, and they did not end up on the island in 2007 because of post 2004 LA landing adventures… (my eyes just crossed too).

    As for Richard saying he saw them die – what he probably saw was what they call the “incident” – the malfunction of the electromagnetic field that caused the Losties to time travel to 2007. He sees the flash of light, he sees them disappear, and thinks, like the rest of the bystanders, that they died. Remember, in the 1950s, when Richard sees Locke flash through time, he seems pretty darned surprised… meaning he’s not privy to the whole island-can-bend-time-realities concept.

    Furthermore, this would be in the “bomb did not explode”, Losties flashed back to 2007 reality. In my mind, when the bomb did explode due to Juliet’s resilience (wanting to save Sawyer from the evils of the island), it caused the island to sink and everyone to land in LA. In this reality, we have no idea what happens in 2007, and it’s likely that Richard is dead![/quote]
    ok now my head is spinning! :)

  35. Aggie Mo says:

    [quote comment=”370682″][quote comment=”370677″]to continue from the other thread…

    Mal you typed,
    “Thanks, that makes (relative) sense… I guess the notion is that setting off the bomb was the variable… then I want to know what the future is of the 1977-without-the-explosion timeline is!
    I still say that there would/should be many alternate timelines after they travel to 1977 (or anywhere in the past, for the matter), though I’ll accept the variable-v-constant time continuum concept…”

    What I was trying to say, is that you ARE seeing what the future of 1977 without the explosion…that’s the events taking place in “Season 6 Island 2007.” The Incident just caused the Losties to flash.

    Alternatively, if the bomb exploded, “Season 6 Real World 2004″ is the storyline we see.[/quote]
    I’m not entirely sure about this. I don’t think they’re presenting the story in terms of if or if not the bomb exploded. I think whatever happened at the end of season 5 (whether or not the bomb actually exploded), both timelines we’re now seeing are a result of those events.

    Think about it this way – as we watched adult Jack, Sayid, etc at the end of S5, in 1977, trying to detonate the bomb, at the same time there is a child version of Jack, Sayid, etc back in LA, Iraq, etc. Those people grow up to be the people we saw on the plane in the “LA X” episode. Those versions of Jack, Sayid, etc were unaffected by the island (perhaps because the island sunk as a result of the bomb detonation?). But at the end of S5/beginning of S6, we saw that in the other timeline the adult versions of Jack, Sayid etc flashed from 1977 to 2007. I may be completely wrong, but I think that what ever happened at the end of S5 caused the original timeline to split in to the two branches we’ve been watching so far this season.[/quote]

    Is there any guarantee that the events from new-2004 and 2007-island are happening simultaneously? I don’t think that is necessarily the case.

    As I mentioned in last week’s comments, my theory is that the new-2004 is what will happen at the end of all this stuff happening in 2007 on the island, but we are seeing them concurrently. That is, at the end of this season, there will be some final climactic event on the island (2007) that will shutter them back to 2004, with no crash and their lives different.

    The idea would be that they were “summoned” to the island to work out issues and character flaws and, having done that, they will resume their real world 2004 lives having become better for their experiences.

  36. little prince says:

    [quote comment=”370707″][quote comment=”370683″]people have been debating alot over these 2 timelines..i think we are looking too far into it…
    when the losties made the incident in 77 it made ONE tangent timeline..thats the one where they are still on the island with flocke…the flash sideways is just what would happen if they never crash…why is it harder than that?[/quote]
    Because they have made it somewhat obvious that the new timeline losties remember something from the other timeline with all the sideways (pun intended) glances and such.[/quote]
    I totally agree that they are making the parallels obvious to us…thats why i think we are looking to deep…also..they are showing Dejavu like symptoms ..like something already happened….thats why im saying this theory that they havent made it to the island yet is wrong…
    Timeline with flocke on the island is where everyone “comes,fights,destroys,and corrupts”
    and another where without these divine beings playing puppetteers pulling their strings and making all our beloved characters play thier game on their court…thier actual free will (non contaminated by seeing dead people..random orderlys telling you to go on a walkabout)
    ..if you think about what weve seen so far about this flash sideways..every single character jacob had touched (or contaminated) has a better life…jacks nicer/still savin lives..Sayid helped save a life instead of usually being the killer..hurley is lucky..i think Jacob and the man in black are both 2 sides of the same coin…they each have an agenda…and it doesnt seem to bother either of them when someone dies…so to me they are both evil..and to quote War Games…”this is a strange game…the only way to win…is not play”

  37. Hammer says:

    I think that is as possible as the reverse (the new ’04 will result in the ’07 we are watching).

  38. Mal says:

    Aggie Mo – I like that idea. It’s possible… it fits, and it would be a bit plot twist! Everyone would be expecting the bomb to be to game changer… but maybe it has something to do with what has yet to happen in the 2007 timeline!

  39. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”370715″][quote comment=”370707″][quote comment=”370683″][/quote]
    [/quote]
    ..every single character jacob had touched (or contaminated) has a better life…[/quote]
    Kate? Jin? Sun?

  40. little prince says:

    [quote comment=”370713″][quote comment=”370682″][quote comment=”370677″]to continue from the other thread…

    Mal you typed,
    “Thanks, that makes (relative) sense… I guess the notion is that setting off the bomb was the variable… then I want to know what the future is of the 1977-without-the-explosion timeline is!
    I still say that there would/should be many alternate timelines after they travel to 1977 (or anywhere in the past, for the matter), though I’ll accept the variable-v-constant time continuum concept…”

    What I was trying to say, is that you ARE seeing what the future of 1977 without the explosion…that’s the events taking place in “Season 6 Island 2007.” The Incident just caused the Losties to flash.

    Alternatively, if the bomb exploded, “Season 6 Real World 2004″ is the storyline we see.[/quote]
    I’m not entirely sure about this. I don’t think they’re presenting the story in terms of if or if not the bomb exploded. I think whatever happened at the end of season 5 (whether or not the bomb actually exploded), both timelines we’re now seeing are a result of those events.

    Think about it this way – as we watched adult Jack, Sayid, etc at the end of S5, in 1977, trying to detonate the bomb, at the same time there is a child version of Jack, Sayid, etc back in LA, Iraq, etc. Those people grow up to be the people we saw on the plane in the “LA X” episode. Those versions of Jack, Sayid, etc were unaffected by the island (perhaps because the island sunk as a result of the bomb detonation?). But at the end of S5/beginning of S6, we saw that in the other timeline the adult versions of Jack, Sayid etc flashed from 1977 to 2007. I may be completely wrong, but I think that what ever happened at the end of S5 caused the original timeline to split in to the two branches we’ve been watching so far this season.[/quote]

    Is there any guarantee that the events from new-2004 and 2007-island are happening simultaneously? I don’t think that is necessarily the case.

    As I mentioned in last week’s comments, my theory is that the new-2004 is what will happen at the end of all this stuff happening in 2007 on the island, but we are seeing them concurrently. That is, at the end of this season, there will be some final climactic event on the island (2007) that will shutter them back to 2004, with no crash and their lives different.

    The idea would be that they were “summoned” to the island to work out issues and character flaws and, having done that, they will resume their real world 2004 lives having become better for their experiences.[/quote]
    that would make me so mad….cause thats what was sopposed to happen at the end of season 5…so if they pull that crap at the end of six..having an incident flash them to the plane…that would be weak

  41. little prince says:

    Jin and Sun are yet to be revealed..were still only 3 eps into this concept and theyve had like 4 lines this season in the flash sideways…as for Kate…although on the run still…she was helping claire and not being totally selfish…she also said “would you believe me if i said i was innocent”..kinda leads me to believe that maybe the circumstances of her arrest are different just like everything else is alittle different….that being said she could be a Saint and we just dont know it yet…dont rain on my parade here Hammer…im onto somethin.. :P

  42. Aggie Mo says:

    [quote comment=”370716″]I think that is as possible as the reverse (the new ’04 will result in the ’07 we are watching).[/quote]

    That is possible too, but it appears that in the first episodes, the ’07 characters are continuing their timeline from last season — there is no evidence of a “break” in that sequence of events.

    However, the ’04 timeline shows all kinds of changes in the characters, and no firm evidence it comes immediately after the bomb at the end of season 5.

    Regardless, one thing that bugs me is how Julia knew that “it worked” — how would she know? It is not that she died since they led us to believe this is the important thing she wanted to tell James before she died.

  43. Aggie Mo says:

    [quote comment=”370719″][quote comment=”370713″][quote comment=”370682″][quote comment=”370677″]to continue from the other thread…

    Mal you typed,
    “Thanks, that makes (relative) sense… I guess the notion is that setting off the bomb was the variable… then I want to know what the future is of the 1977-without-the-explosion timeline is!
    I still say that there would/should be many alternate timelines after they travel to 1977 (or anywhere in the past, for the matter), though I’ll accept the variable-v-constant time continuum concept…”

    What I was trying to say, is that you ARE seeing what the future of 1977 without the explosion…that’s the events taking place in “Season 6 Island 2007.” The Incident just caused the Losties to flash.

    Alternatively, if the bomb exploded, “Season 6 Real World 2004″ is the storyline we see.[/quote]
    I’m not entirely sure about this. I don’t think they’re presenting the story in terms of if or if not the bomb exploded. I think whatever happened at the end of season 5 (whether or not the bomb actually exploded), both timelines we’re now seeing are a result of those events.

    Think about it this way – as we watched adult Jack, Sayid, etc at the end of S5, in 1977, trying to detonate the bomb, at the same time there is a child version of Jack, Sayid, etc back in LA, Iraq, etc. Those people grow up to be the people we saw on the plane in the “LA X” episode. Those versions of Jack, Sayid, etc were unaffected by the island (perhaps because the island sunk as a result of the bomb detonation?). But at the end of S5/beginning of S6, we saw that in the other timeline the adult versions of Jack, Sayid etc flashed from 1977 to 2007. I may be completely wrong, but I think that what ever happened at the end of S5 caused the original timeline to split in to the two branches we’ve been watching so far this season.[/quote]

    Is there any guarantee that the events from new-2004 and 2007-island are happening simultaneously? I don’t think that is necessarily the case.

    As I mentioned in last week’s comments, my theory is that the new-2004 is what will happen at the end of all this stuff happening in 2007 on the island, but we are seeing them concurrently. That is, at the end of this season, there will be some final climactic event on the island (2007) that will shutter them back to 2004, with no crash and their lives different.

    The idea would be that they were “summoned” to the island to work out issues and character flaws and, having done that, they will resume their real world 2004 lives having become better for their experiences.[/quote]
    that would make me so mad….cause thats what was sopposed to happen at the end of season 5…so if they pull that crap at the end of six..having an incident flash them to the plane…that would be weak[/quote]

    I don’t think that would be so weak — at least it would tie the entire series together — the theme of their flaws and weaknesses have been part of the show from the start with the backstories, etc., and them growing by their experiences on the island.

    It would be lame to me if this stuff “never happened” and was just a dream by someone. However, the idea of getting called by some cosmic characters to an island to accomplish a specific purpose and then getting sent back when you learn your lessons is a pretty kool idea to me.

    What would be lame is if the final truth of the show is not coherent — if the series from season 1 to 6 doesn’t have a cohesive theme to it, like they just made it up as they went along — that would be the lamest. (IMHO)

  44. little prince says:

    jin and Sun are yet to be revealed if they are better..but maybe hes takin all that money and plannin on running away with her…as for kate…shes not being totally selfish..although still on the run..she says to claire “you wouldnt belive me if i said i was innocent would you”…maybe she is…alot of things are different in this version…sounds to me like they are all better people in it as well….. so far anyway

  45. little prince says:

    What would be lame is if the final truth of the show is not coherent — if the series from season 1 to 6 doesn’t have a cohesive theme to it, like they just made it up as they went along — that would be the lamest. (IMHO)[/quote]
    -I hear ya…and totally agree…thats just what i was expecting at the end of season 5…that they would do something to shoot them back to the plane…so i think its kinda using the same conclusion twice…i just would like something different…im sure i wont be dissapointed

  46. lost4ever says:

    Wow! Not much has changed. 44 comments already and not many on the topic at hand, this week’s episode entitled “The Substitute”.

    I like WILL’s prediction about Jack eventually trying to fix Locke. I only wonder if the “new” Jack has the same abilities as a Doctor that he had in the original timeline. I wonder if we will see Helen or Cooper in tonight’s episode or maybe even Hurley as the owner of the box company?

    My two cents on the timeline issue is that the opening scene with the island underwater has not happened yet. The story on the island is leading us to that. It remindes me of last year’s debate on the time-travel which came together later in the season.

  47. Lindelof Lite says:

    Producer Notes… The Substitute.

    Water Ski Jump: Positioned and ready.

    Script Writers: Written and ready.

    Actors: Rehearsed and ready.

    Director: Queue the shark!…

    Set Manager: Ready!

    Director: Action! (jump that shark, jump that shark, ).

    Editor: We need a good review on this one. Call the LostBlog.net.

    Bobola: Ready! (?)

  48. PJSander says:

    [quote comment=”370708″]URGENT!!!!
    I am not going to be able to watch the episode tonight. What is the best way to catch it on replay. I have tried going to ABC.com but it always seems to be lagging.[/quote]

    Try hulu.com. I DETEST abc.com, there is so much garbage trying to stream on that site all at once, that everything stutters and messes up. Hulu streams abc content with no trouble.

    It should be up Wednesday.

    HTH,
    : ) P

  49. wingman says:

    Still sticking with some level of the time-loop theory…I still think that Jacob’s whole spiel about things only ending once lends itself to multiple tries by our Lost contestants with the flash-possible being either the final try or an alternate one…The way Jack lands on the island during the first crash and the Ajira crash seems to suggest that as a entry point for everytime he comes back (Which could be countless times in item-loop scenario…

    I sure hope I’m kinda right because if everything is MIB and Jacob using their magical powers for everything we’ve ever seen in this show I’m gonna take the green pill…

    Good to see a Locke centric ep in any capacity after last week’s somewhat shameful episode…I pray for something to make me proud of this show again…

  50. RGS says:

    Well I wouldn’t put too much stock in Richard saying he “watched them all die.” That is a classic Lost line uttered just for drama. Like Mrs. Hawkings’ “we’ll all die,” or something like that from Flashes Before Our Eyes.” Or Ben’s “whoever moves the island can’t come back.” Rousseau’s “this place is death.” Daniel’s notation in his notebook, “Desmond is my CONSTANT.” I think that last one kicked off at least two if not three weeks of discussion which was unheard of given the amount of mysteries the show drops on a weekly basis.

  51. Aggie Mo says:

    I wonder what connection the Losties’ parents all have to the island.

    We think that Jack’s dad (and Claire’s), and maybe grandad have a history with the island. We know John Locke’s dad appeared in Ben’s magic closet — who knows if he has a connection to the island? Also, remember the episode about John Locke’s birth, and the mystery surrounding his father and the teenage mother. Sun’s dad is powerful and runs a big multinational corporation — island ties? We know Daniel Faraday’s ties to the island. Miles’ dad was with Dharma. We don’t know anything about Charlie’s dad or Sayid’s dad. Sawyer’s parents died when he was young — is it possible his parents had island connections?

    What do we know of Kate’s dad? We know she killed her stepdad — what happened to her real dad? Is it possible he is a key character in the story of the island?

    I wonder if this idea of the “same thing happening over and over again” has something to do with the same families getting called to the island over and over again?

  52. Aggie Mo says:

    Re: tonight’s episode and moving forward, I am thinking that some of the Losties will side with Bad Locke AKA MIB — including Sawyer, Claire, maybe Kate, maybe Sun and Jin.

    I wonder if it is possible that not all the Losties are on the same side (they never are!).

    Also, as some others have suggested, while they are leading us to believe that Jacob is the “good” guy (if either of them are “good”), I wonder if that is a smokescreen and maybe in the end the MIB is the good guy? I actually doubt it, but think there is some possibility and look forward to learning more tonight through Locke’s eyes about who MIB is and what his history and intentions are.

    I’m pumped about tonight’s episode — I expect it to be much more interesting than last week’s!!

  53. PJSander says:

    [quote comment=”370733″]What do we know of Kate’s dad? We know she killed her stepdad — what happened to her real dad? Is it possible he is a key character in the story of the island?[/quote]

    Actually, she killed her real father. She *thought* he was her stepdad and that Austen was her real father, but it was really the other way around.

    : ) P

  54. wingman says:

    @Aggie Mo – Well the disturbing thing is until we get a definitive answer on most of this stuff it’s still possible that everyone from Ben’s Mom to Richard’s eye-lashes are merely just the Smoke Monster…Don’t get me started on my opinion of that lol…

  55. Rumblestilskin says:

    awesome episode so far : )

  56. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment=”370737″]awesome episode so far : )[/quote]
    Agreed

  57. Ben says:

    Who was that boy Flocke saw? Little Jacob?

  58. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment=”370732″]Well I wouldn’t put too much stock in Richard saying he “watched them all die.” That is a classic Lost line uttered just for drama. Like Mrs. Hawkings’ “we’ll all die,” or something like that from Flashes Before Our Eyes.” Or Ben’s “whoever moves the island can’t come back.” Rousseau’s “this place is death.” Daniel’s notation in his notebook, “Desmond is my CONSTANT.” I think that last one kicked off at least two if not three weeks of discussion which was unheard of given the amount of mysteries the show drops on a weekly basis.[/quote]
    LOL great points. It would be funny to go back and read the comments people made back in the earlier seasons (myself included), just to see how wacky some ideas were, and to see how certain plot points that were debated over and over turned out to be so insignificant.

  59. KatieB says:

    WTH? Why does Rose not recognize Locke or vice versa? Why did Hurley not recognize Locke or vice versa? Weren’t they all just on the same plane?! Are we just to assume that there were too many people on the plane to notice each other?

  60. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment=”370741″]WTH? Why does Rose not recognize Locke or vice versa? Why did Hurley not recognize Locke or vice versa? Weren’t they all just on the same plane?! Are we just to assume that there were too many people on the plane to notice each other?[/quote]
    I think your last statement is correct – I don’t think I’d remember someone from a flight I took a day or two earlier.

  61. RGS says:

    [quote comment=”370739″]Who was that boy Flocke saw? Little Jacob?[/quote]

    I think it’s Aaron. This is a better ep than last week.

  62. Hammer says:

    So the numbers are associated with people brought to the island.

  63. LINS says:

    Did Ilana say that the MIB/Smokey is now stuck as Locke?

  64. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment=”370744″]So the numbers are associated with people brought to the island.[/quote]
    But how or why? I think it’s just coincidence. There were other numbers with other names, perhaps other passengers on OA815?

  65. Toeknee says:

    Why did Jacob need to find someone else to protect the island? Did he want to leave, or to die?

  66. Ben says:

    If all the ladders broke, how are Sawyer and Flocke going to get back to the top?

  67. ret says:

    Im guessing that 42 refers to sun and jin’s child.

  68. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment=”370748″]If all the ladders broke, how are Sawyer and Flocke going to get back to the top?[/quote]
    LOL I was wondering the same thing. But couldn’t FLocke turn himself into Smokey and carry Sawyer up?

  69. Rick says:

    The numbers seem like they are the lottery numbers associated with the island. 4-8-15-16-23-42

  70. Toeknee says:

    I could have done without seeing the scenes of Jacob touching the Losties again. I wish they had used those few seconds to show us more views of the ceiling of the cave – maybe there’d be some other good names on there, like Hanso, or Gale, or Hume. I look forward to seeing some screencaps of the ceiling.

  71. LINS says:

    [quote comment=”370746″][quote comment=”370744″]So the numbers are associated with people brought to the island.[/quote]
    But how or why? I think it’s just coincidence. There were other numbers with other names, perhaps other passengers on OA815?[/quote]

    Did I miss them showing a number by Kate’s name? They showed Jacob touching everyone else and the number associated with it that he had written on the wall, but I didn’t see Kate’s name?

  72. Larla says:

    [quote comment=”370753″][quote comment=”370746″][quote comment=”370744″]So the numbers are associated with people brought to the island.[/quote]
    But how or why? I think it’s just coincidence. There were other numbers with other names, perhaps other passengers on OA815?[/quote]

    Did I miss them showing a number by Kate’s name? They showed Jacob touching everyone else and the number associated with it that he had written on the wall, but I didn’t see Kate’s name?[/quote]

    I noticed that too. They didn’t show Kate’s name. I wonder why?

  73. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment=”370753″][quote comment=”370746″][quote comment=”370744″]So the numbers are associated with people brought to the island.[/quote]
    But how or why? I think it’s just coincidence. There were other numbers with other names, perhaps other passengers on OA815?[/quote]

    Did I miss them showing a number by Kate’s name? They showed Jacob touching everyone else and the number associated with it that he had written on the wall, but I didn’t see Kate’s name?[/quote]
    I don’t recall seeing Kate’s name.

    But you made me think about “Jacob’s list” from s3, when Pickett said “Shephard wasn’t even on Jacob’s list”. Was Jacob’s list what we see on the cave ceiling? If so, when did Jack get on there?

  74. LostGrrl says:

    [quote comment=”370753″][quote comment=”370746″][quote comment=”370744″]So the numbers are associated with people brought to the island.[/quote]
    But how or why? I think it’s just coincidence. There were other numbers with other names, perhaps other passengers on OA815?[/quote]

    Did I miss them showing a number by Kate’s name? They showed Jacob touching everyone else and the number associated with it that he had written on the wall, but I didn’t see Kate’s name?[/quote]

    Or Aaron or Claire or Boone or Bernard and Rose… What about the others (no not THEM) who were on the plane and seem stuck in this conundrum?

  75. PJSander says:

    [quote comment=”370753″]Did I miss them showing a number by Kate’s name? They showed Jacob touching everyone else and the number associated with it that he had written on the wall, but I didn’t see Kate’s name?[/quote]

    If Kate’s name was there, I didn’t see it. Perhaps it is there, along with others, but just not with one of *the* numbers next to it.

    [quote comment=”370749″]Im guessing that 42 refers to sun and jin’s child.[/quote]

    I like the idea that KWON is actually Ji Yeon. Interesting.

    : ) P

  76. Hammer says:

    So ‘we’ have to go back together…everyone with the DHARMA numbers? Was that was DHARMA was doing, trying to ‘change’ one of the factors(people)? Time traveling to try to change/remove a factor to save the world? Does MIB leaving the island and go ‘home’ = him going to the real world as the fallen angel to start the apocalypse?

  77. LINS says:

    Well there were a lot of people on the plane and not all of them could be candidates to “protect the island”. I think some of them were on the plane because the candidates were on the plane, if that makes sense. People that were there to make certain things happen so that the candidates would end up on the island. I do remember that Jack wasn’t on Jacob’s list, and I don’t think Kate or Locke were either, right?

  78. PJSander says:

    [quote comment=”370755″]I don’t recall seeing Kate’s name.

    But you made me think about “Jacob’s list” from s3, when Pickett said “Shephard wasn’t even on Jacob’s list”. Was Jacob’s list what we see on the cave ceiling? If so, when did Jack get on there?[/quote]

    Perhaps the Shepherd is not Jack, but Christian? (poaching that idea from a friend)

    : ) P

  79. Larla says:

    [quote comment=”370760″][quote comment=”370755″]I don’t recall seeing Kate’s name.

    But you made me think about “Jacob’s list” from s3, when Pickett said “Shephard wasn’t even on Jacob’s list”. Was Jacob’s list what we see on the cave ceiling? If so, when did Jack get on there?[/quote]

    Perhaps the Shepherd is not Jack, but Christian? (poaching that idea from a friend)

    : ) P[/quote]

    If that’s the case, then I wonder why Jacob went and *touched* Jack?

  80. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment=”370759″]Well there were a lot of people on the plane and not all of them could be candidates to “protect the island”. I think some of them were on the plane because the candidates were on the plane, if that makes sense. People that were there to make certain things happen so that the candidates would end up on the island. I do remember that Jack wasn’t on Jacob’s list, and I don’t think Kate or Locke were either, right?[/quote]
    Remember back to season 2, the story of the Tailies, were the Others came and captured many of the Tailies. Were they candidates? Why else did they get taken? We know Cindy assimilated into their society, but why? Did other tailies? Is Cindy also a Candidate?

  81. Tasha says:

    I have never seen so many of you people writing questions!! Where are all the answers??? Only one I got were some of them were candidates for protecting the island and have numbers by there names. Whew I might need to watch that again LOL.

  82. Duke says:

    Before I read I just wanted to ask a question…….Was that Desmond in the poster over Locke’s left shoulder when he met with Rose about a job?

  83. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment=”370758″]So ‘we’ have to go back together…everyone with the DHARMA numbers? Was that was DHARMA was doing, trying to ‘change’ one of the factors(people)? Time traveling to try to change/remove a factor to save the world? Does MIB leaving the island and go ‘home’ = him going to the real world as the fallen angel to start the apocalypse?[/quote]
    I think he said “we can leave, together”. I don’t think it has anything to do with Dharma/saving the world, but I do think it has to do with going “home”, but who knows what or where his home is.

    The “together” bit – I assume he needs Sawyer to help him leave, just like he needed Ben to kill Jacob. So, will MIB/Smokey take over Sawyer’s body somehow, and that is how he’ll be able to leave?

  84. LostGrrl says:

    [quote comment=”370763″]I have never seen so many of you people writing questions!! Where are all the answers??? Only one I got were some of them were candidates for protecting the island and have numbers by there names. Whew I might need to watch that again LOL.[/quote]

    Oh – I think this episode gave us a lot of answers (well- it’s all relative…)

    – The reason Locke took Richard was because he’s recruiting, which is why we now know why he’s so interested in Sawyer.

    – Locke has been trying to recruit Richard for many years, but still can’t.

    – The numbers are now tangibly related to these people, and set there by Jacob himself.

    – We know what the “candidate” is for.

    So many other things. I thought this was a KICK ASS ep.

  85. Duke says:

    [quote comment=”370749″]Im guessing that 42 refers to sun and jin’s child.[/quote]
    This is intriguing. If youare correct then maybe Adam and eve are Jin and Sun.

  86. LostGrrl says:

    Also love the off-island versions of these people. Loved to see Locke’s fiancee. (Though she’s too good for this sullen man.) Loved that Hurley is so self-confident. Love that Ben is that nerdy teacher that everyone (students and other teachers) can’t stand.

  87. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”370765″][quote comment=”370758″]So ‘we’ have to go back together…everyone with the DHARMA numbers? Was that was DHARMA was doing, trying to ‘change’ one of the factors(people)? Time traveling to try to change/remove a factor to save the world? Does MIB leaving the island and go ‘home’ = him going to the real world as the fallen angel to start the apocalypse?[/quote]
    I think he said “we can leave, together”. I don’t think it has anything to do with Dharma/saving the world, but I do think it has to do with going “home”, but who knows what or where his home is.

    The “together” bit – I assume he needs Sawyer to help him leave, just like he needed Ben to kill Jacob. So, will MIB/Smokey take over Sawyer’s body somehow, and that is how he’ll be able to leave?[/quote]
    I am not ready to dismiss DHARMA and Ms. Hawking needing to save the world.

    Illana said MIB is recruiting…he is going after the folks with the DHARMA numbers. He has already ‘claimed’ Sayid, working on Sawyer…Sheppard, Kwon, Reyes….look out. I think he needs them all to leave…not just Sawyer.

  88. Ben says:

    Can we go back to that kid again? Thoughts on who it was? Can’t be Aaron, he’s too old. Maybe Zak?

  89. LostGrrl says:

    [quote comment=”370770″]Can we go back to that kid again? Thoughts on who it was? Can’t be Aaron, he’s too old. Maybe Zak?[/quote]

    Did’t we just see Zack with his sister in the temple?

  90. PJSander says:

    [quote comment=”370770″]Can we go back to that kid again? Thoughts on who it was? Can’t be Aaron, he’s too old. Maybe Zak?[/quote]

    We just saw Zack, not him. If it is someone we *know* then there is some time traveling involved. Someone suggested Penny and Desmond’s son, Charlie. From the crappy wig / dye job, I’d say the kid’s related to the crappy wig / dye job with the (only) authentic Australian accent – Claire.

    : ) P

  91. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”370770″]Can we go back to that kid again? Thoughts on who it was? Can’t be Aaron, he’s too old. Maybe Zak?[/quote]
    A friend thought maybe Des and Penny’s child Charlie.

  92. Tasha says:

    Maybe it’s MIB as a child. His consciousness or something. Or Jacob as a child.

    Anyone wondering how Locke ended up in a wheelchair? The way Helen told him he could invite his dad to their wedding didn’t sound like they were holding much of a grudge.

  93. Tasha says:

    Jack Shepherd was in seat number 23 when the plane crashed.

    “The Lord is my shepherd” is found in Psalm 23

    Thought those were interesting facts.

  94. LostGrrl says:

    [quote comment=”370774″]Maybe it’s MIB as a child. His consciousness or something. Or Jacob as a child. [/quote]

    I assumed it was a form of Jacob, since he scolded MIB about the rules. Don’t think it was Aaron or Des/Penny’s child or Jin/Sun’s child because doesn’t that assume that the “candidate” has already been chosen?

  95. PJSander says:

    [quote comment=”370774″]Maybe it’s MIB as a child. His consciousness or something. Or Jacob as a child.

    Anyone wondering how Locke ended up in a wheelchair? The way Helen told him he could invite his dad to their wedding didn’t sound like they were holding much of a grudge.[/quote]

    Yes, good point, Tasha, I thought the same thing. And Helen LEFT Locke because he was obsessing about his dad, so I imagine that backstory is different.

    It could be that he never met THAT dad, and that Helen is referring to an adoptive or foster father. Remember that the only reason Locke met Cooper was because Cooper hired a PI to find him for his organs.

    : ) P

  96. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”370777″][quote comment=”370774″]Maybe it’s MIB as a child. His consciousness or something. Or Jacob as a child.

    Anyone wondering how Locke ended up in a wheelchair? The way Helen told him he could invite his dad to their wedding didn’t sound like they were holding much of a grudge.[/quote]

    Yes, good point, Tasha, I thought the same thing. And Helen LEFT Locke because he was obsessing about his dad, so I imagine that backstory is different.

    It could be that he never met THAT dad, and that Helen is referring to an adoptive or foster father. Remember that the only reason Locke met Cooper was because Cooper hired a PI to find him for his organs.

    : ) P[/quote]
    It’s been very vague to far. Maybe Kate didn’t kill her dad(or anyone for that matter). We still don’t know where Hugo got the numbers from this time. Maybe Sayid isn’t a torcherer or a soldier. Wide open I think.

  97. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment=”370769″][quote comment=”370765″][quote comment=”370758″]So ‘we’ have to go back together…everyone with the DHARMA numbers? Was that was DHARMA was doing, trying to ‘change’ one of the factors(people)? Time traveling to try to change/remove a factor to save the world? Does MIB leaving the island and go ‘home’ = him going to the real world as the fallen angel to start the apocalypse?[/quote]
    I think he said “we can leave, together”. I don’t think it has anything to do with Dharma/saving the world, but I do think it has to do with going “home”, but who knows what or where his home is.

    The “together” bit – I assume he needs Sawyer to help him leave, just like he needed Ben to kill Jacob. So, will MIB/Smokey take over Sawyer’s body somehow, and that is how he’ll be able to leave?[/quote]
    I am not ready to dismiss DHARMA and Ms. Hawking needing to save the world.

    Illana said MIB is recruiting…he is going after the folks with the DHARMA numbers. He has already ‘claimed’ Sayid, working on Sawyer…Sheppard, Kwon, Reyes….look out. I think he needs them all to leave…not just Sawyer.[/quote]
    Maybe I misunderstood your original comment. When you were talking about Dharma and saving the world and the factors, I thought you were referring to the Valenzetti Equation. My guess is that Dharma Intitiative and Valenzetti Equation will not be a focal point of the rest of this season. Also, MIB/Smokey never had any affnity for the DI folks, as far as we’ve seen, so I don’t think he has any in revisiting them.

    I do agree in that I’m not ready to dismisse Ms. Hawking yet. I really hope she’ll be back, along with Widmore, to clear up some of those plotlines. And I agree that there is some world-saving to come later this season, probably in relation to the supposed “war” that will take place.

  98. Lola says:

    no idea what’s gong on ! why is Ben a teacher in the alternate reality when he would have been on the island regardless of flight 815????

    still can’t stand Ilana. Also can’t deal with Locke’s lady friend.

    obviously going to stick it out, but beginning to think (though I really, really don’t want to) that LOST has lost that loving feeling. Remember anticipating for Desmond and Penny to reunite? Now with Jin & Sun, I’m like let’s get it on already, so anticlimactic!

    Richard has turned into quite the puss too….

  99. George says:

    Can the name Shepard not refer to Jack but to his sister Claire and therefor he is not on the list?

  100. PJSander says:

    [quote comment=”370780″]no idea what’s gong on ! why is Ben a teacher in the alternate reality when he would have been on the island regardless of flight 815????[/quote]

    The detonation in 1977 would have affected MORE than just O815. Perhaps as a result of that incident, DHARMA sent all the children off the island – Ben, Ethan, Charlotte, Miles. We saw that Ethan became a doctor off island, so it makes sense that Ben would have a life in the adjusted reality, does it not?

    : ) P

  101. Ben says:

    Maybe George, but they definetly flashed to Jacob touching those people for a reason.

  102. Tasha says:

    [quote comment=”370780″]no idea what’s gong on ! why is Ben a teacher in the alternate reality when he would have been on the island regardless of flight 815????

    still can’t stand Ilana. Also can’t deal with Locke’s lady friend.

    obviously going to stick it out, but beginning to think (though I really, really don’t want to) that LOST has lost that loving feeling. Remember anticipating for Desmond and Penny to reunite? Now with Jin & Sun, I’m like let’s get it on already, so anticlimactic!

    Richard has turned into quite the puss too….[/quote]

    Only thing I can think of is maybe in this alternate time line is Ben’s mom doesn’t die when he is born and he never goes to the island to begin with. That is if we assume everyone died because i don’t think Ben got off the island before Jughead went off.

  103. PJSander says:

    [quote comment=”370784″]
    Only thing I can think of is maybe in this alternate time line is Ben’s mom doesn’t die when he is born and he never goes to the island to begin with. That is if we assume everyone died because i don’t think Ben got off the island before Jughead went off.[/quote]

    Right. Ben was with Richard et al, when Jughead went off. Ethan was a baby. This is why I don’t think the island went underwater AT detonation, but as a result of something that happened afterward.

    : ) P

  104. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”370779″][quote comment=”370769″][quote comment=”370765″][quote comment=”370758″]S[/quote]
    [/quote]
    I am not ready to dismiss DHARMA and Ms. Hawking needing to save the world.

    Illana said MIB is recruiting…he is going after the folks with the DHARMA numbers. He has already ‘claimed’ Sayid, working on Sawyer…Sheppard, Kwon, Reyes….look out. I think he needs them all to leave…not just Sawyer.[/quote]
    Maybe I misunderstood your original comment. When you were talking about Dharma and saving the world and the factors, I thought you were referring to the Valenzetti Equation. My guess is that Dharma Intitiative and Valenzetti Equation will not be a focal point of the rest of this season. Also, MIB/Smokey never had any affnity for the DI folks, as far as we’ve seen, so I don’t think he has any in revisiting them.

    I do agree in that I’m not ready to dismisse Ms. Hawking yet. I really hope she’ll be back, along with Widmore, to clear up some of those plotlines. And I agree that there is some world-saving to come later this season, probably in relation to the supposed “war” that will take place.[/quote]
    Agreed, I don’t think they will spend any more time on it, just that they were involved with trying to stop MIB from ending the world on the day that the equation showed. Once MIB gets the ‘numbers’ recruited, he can ‘go home/end the world’ is the theory I’m shooting at.

  105. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”370780″]no idea what’s gong on ! why is Ben a teacher in the alternate reality when he would have been on the island regardless of flight 815????

    still can’t stand Ilana. Also can’t deal with Locke’s lady friend.

    obviously going to stick it out, but beginning to think (though I really, really don’t want to) that LOST has lost that loving feeling. Remember anticipating for Desmond and Penny to reunite? Now with Jin & Sun, I’m like let’s get it on already, so anticlimactic!

    Richard has turned into quite the puss too….[/quote]
    Poached from a friend….hope this helps.

    “The detonation in 1977 would have affected MORE than just O815. Perhaps as a result of that incident, DHARMA sent all the children off the island – Ben, Ethan, Charlotte, Miles. We saw that Ethan became a doctor off island, so it makes sense that Ben would have a life in the adjusted reality, right?”

  106. intolost says:

    The kid is Widmore. Lockemonster vs. Widmore. Lockemonster=Esau. Seems Ben has been used and duped many years! I think Alpert and Ilana do know the truth. Lockemonster is up to no good!!!! Where’s his “home?” Why does he have to “recruit” to get there? Ack!

  107. intolost says:

    What are the rules????? This has been driving me crazy! I’m convinced “the rules” are the whole key to this.

  108. jb says:

    List of the numbers:

    4 – Locke
    8 – Reyes
    15 – Ford
    16 – Jarrah
    23 – Shephard
    42 – Kwon

    10 – Mattingley
    20 – Rouf (?)
    70 – Faraday
    90 – Troupe
    119 – Almeade
    140 – Lewis
    195 – Pace
    222 – O’Toole
    233 – Jones
    291 – Domingo
    313 – Littleton
    317 – Cunningham
    396 – Grant

    ON THE CEILING BUT NUMBERS UNKNOWN:
    ?? – Chang
    ?? – Goodspeed
    ?? – Sullivan

  109. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”370790″]List of the numbers:

    4 – Locke
    8 – Reyes
    15 – Ford
    16 – Jarrah
    23 – Shephard
    42 – Kwon

    10 – Mattingley
    20 – Rouf (?)
    70 – Faraday
    90 – Troupe
    119 – Almeade
    140 – Lewis
    195 – Pace
    222 – O’Toole
    233 – Jones
    291 – Domingo
    313 – Littleton
    317 – Cunningham
    396 – Grant

    ON THE CEILING BUT NUMBERS UNKNOWN:
    ?? – Chang
    ?? – Goodspeed
    ?? – Sullivan[/quote]
    Awesome, so NOT seat numbers, but numbers Jacob or MIB placed on folks ‘brought’ to the island by Jacob…maybe.

  110. Hammer says:

    Bedtime for Bonzo:

    Since Kate is not one of the numbers we’ve seen all along…will she be the next main character to…..DIE?

  111. PJSander says:

    [quote comment=”370787″]
    Poached from a friend….hope this helps.

    “The detonation in 1977 would have affected MORE than just O815. Perhaps as a result of that incident, DHARMA sent all the children off the island – Ben, Ethan, Charlotte, Miles. We saw that Ethan became a doctor off island, so it makes sense that Ben would have a life in the adjusted reality, right?”[/quote]

    LOL, Hammer! I posted that here, too! (post: 99)

    : ) P

  112. LINS says:

    [quote comment=”370790″]List of the numbers:

    4 – Locke
    8 – Reyes
    15 – Ford
    16 – Jarrah
    23 – Shephard
    42 – Kwon

    10 – Mattingley
    20 – Rouf (?)
    70 – Faraday
    90 – Troupe
    119 – Almeade
    140 – Lewis
    195 – Pace
    222 – O’Toole
    233 – Jones
    291 – Domingo
    313 – Littleton
    317 – Cunningham
    396 – Grant

    ON THE CEILING BUT NUMBERS UNKNOWN:
    ?? – Chang
    ?? – Goodspeed
    ?? – Sullivan[/quote]

    Was Littleton crossed out? What about Faraday? Interesting, thanks for posting!

  113. jb says:

    Jacob had a thing with numbers……. heh heh

  114. Jake says:

    The kid Flocke saw looked a lot like Claire although I agree, he’s way too old to be Aaron. Similiar skin and hair color to Jacob and it would fit Jacob’s character. Why can Sawyer see him though.
    And thanks for the list of names!

    Who is Jacob’s #108?
    I also like the idea that Kwon is Jin and Sun’s baby.

  115. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”370792″]Bedtime for Bonzo:

    Since Kate is not one of the numbers we’ve seen all along…will she be the next main character to…..DIE?[/quote]
    Or will she be the only one to survive?

    See ya in the a.m.

  116. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”370793″][quote comment=”370787″]
    Poached from a friend….hope this helps.

    “The detonation in 1977 would have affected MORE than just O815. Perhaps as a result of that incident, DHARMA sent all the children off the island – Ben, Ethan, Charlotte, Miles. We saw that Ethan became a doctor off island, so it makes sense that Ben would have a life in the adjusted reality, right?”[/quote]

    LOL, Hammer! I posted that here, too! (post: 99)

    : ) P[/quote]
    My refresh is 10 posts behind. LOL Well I guess we know who I poached it from. ;)

  117. LostGrrl says:

    [quote comment=”370790″]List of the numbers:

    4 – Locke
    8 – Reyes
    15 – Ford
    16 – Jarrah
    23 – Shephard
    42 – Kwon

    10 – Mattingley
    20 – Rouf (?)
    70 – Faraday
    90 – Troupe
    119 – Almeade
    140 – Lewis
    195 – Pace
    222 – O’Toole
    233 – Jones
    291 – Domingo
    313 – Littleton
    317 – Cunningham
    396 – Grant

    ON THE CEILING BUT NUMBERS UNKNOWN:
    ?? – Chang
    ?? – Goodspeed
    ?? – Sullivan[/quote]

    Not only Kate missing… Desmond (Hume). Why is he “special”?

    10- one of the Others
    70- Daniel
    140- Charlotte
    195- Charlie
    233- could be Locke’s great aunt OR Widmore? (Jones on his uniform)
    313- Claire (prob. not Aaron, since he’s alive)
    317- one of the Others

    No one else in that middle section is a familiar name according to Lostpedia. But who knows how many people Jacob/MIB considered a “candidate” before this crop?

  118. PJSander says:

    [quote comment=”370799″]
    No one else in that middle section is a familiar name according to Lostpedia. But who knows how many people Jacob/MIB considered a “candidate” before this crop?[/quote]

    And the numbers aren’t in order of when Jacob touched them, either. He touched Sawyer as a kid. Maybe Sawyer is the candidate, because he is the lowest remaining number on the list?

    : ) P

  119. PJSander says:

    [quote comment=”370799″]
    No one else in that middle section is a familiar name according to Lostpedia. But who knows how many people Jacob/MIB considered a “candidate” before this crop?[/quote]

    90 – Troupe – that is probably Gary Troupe, the author of Bad Twin who was sucked into the planes engine in the first few hours at the beach. Sawyer read the treatment later in the season.

    : ) P

  120. LostGrrl says:

    [quote comment=”370800″][quote comment=”370799″]
    No one else in that middle section is a familiar name according to Lostpedia. But who knows how many people Jacob/MIB considered a “candidate” before this crop?[/quote]

    Maybe Sawyer is the candidate, because he is the lowest remaining number on the list?

    : ) P[/quote]

    That would be Reyes, wouldn’t it? THAT would be interesting, given what Miles said last week in jest, “Hurley’s in charge now, so that’s good…”

  121. PJSander says:

    [quote comment=”370802″]That would be Reyes, wouldn’t it? THAT would be interesting, given what Miles said last week in jest, “Hurley’s in charge now, so that’s good…”[/quote]

    Oops, yes, and WOW yes!

    : ) P

  122. LostGrrl says:

    [quote comment=”370803″][quote comment=”370802″]That would be Reyes, wouldn’t it? THAT would be interesting, given what Miles said last week in jest, “Hurley’s in charge now, so that’s good…”[/quote]

    Oops, yes, and WOW yes!

    : ) P[/quote]

    Perhaps this sideways universe is all part of the vetting process, to see how these “candidates” deal with life if given new circumstances. Because I’m liking this Hurley-as-boss character. Of course, we’ve seen a lot of sideways Claire and Kate who, it seems, are not candidates… so maybe not!

  123. PJSander says:

    There are cave name screencaps up already:

    http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/2010/02/episode-6×04-substitute-candidates.html

    And yes, Littleton is crossed off.

    : ) P

  124. Celticsfan says:

    So in last nights episode when Locke/MIB brings Sawyer down into that cave with all the numbers at the mouth of the cave there is a scale with a white rock and a black rock on it seemingly in balance. Locke takes the white rock and tosses it into the ocean? Im guessing this is like the islands balance of power? Good vs Evil and now that Jacob is “dead” the black rock is left on the scale as a symbol of Evil being in control. Any thoughts on the whole rock thing? I wonder how this will develop?

  125. Miss lost says:

    [quote comment=”370806″]So in last nights episode when Locke/MIB brings Sawyer down into that cave with all the numbers at the mouth of the cave there is a scale with a white rock and a black rock on it seemingly in balance. Locke takes the white rock and tosses it into the ocean? Im guessing this is like the islands balance of power? Good vs Evil and now that Jacob is “dead” the black rock is left on the scale as a symbol of Evil being in control. Any thoughts on the whole rock thing? I wonder how this will develop?[/quote]
    ********
    before seeing the names and numbers, I also thought alot about the scale and the two rocks. IMO it is continuing on of that theme of good vs evil and I think it has to do with human nature. We all are good and bad. I think the give and take of those two elements NEED to stay in “balance.” Now we are going to see what happens when there is NO balance. We need checks and balance systems for a reason….even within ourselves.

  126. Miss lost says:

    The more they keep showing this theme of black and white I am putting my vote (again) for Adam and Eve turning out to be Rose and bernard. They fit our black/white theme!

  127. Miss lost says:

    RULES! Life has rules, games have rules, the bible has rules, wars have rules. Again, another theme right?
    If MIB broke the rules or found his loophole, i am going to equate that to the old adage, “cheaters never prosper…” I am now back in the camp that MIB really is bad and that he ultimately will lose…and in the end will that loss be death? Interesting that LLana or someone said that he has to be Locke from here on out….so answering an earlier question…I don’t think he could kill Sawyer and take over his body…at least that was how I interpreted what was said…
    I hate not being able to read all your posts until so late….so off to bed!

  128. LostJunkie says:

    What a much better episode than last week!

    I’m thinking the kid Flocke/MIB sees is a young Jacob. He looks like Jacob, and when he talked about the rules, it just reminded me of their conversation at the end of Season 5. My only question is, why can Sawyer see him, when Richard couldn’t? Or, actually, maybe Richard was just never in view of him; I guess I’d have to watch that again. But definitely interesting that Sawyer can see the kid.

    The MIB definitely needs Sawyer, at the very least, to help him get off the Island. Otherwise, he obviously would have just left already. Does he only need Sawyer, or does he need them all? I think the idea that he wants to get back to the real world and that his arrival there could signal the Apocalypse has some traction, and that this is what Hawking refers to about saving the world.

    As for when Ilana talks about the MIB having to keep Locke’s form now, I was thinking that as soon as they bury the “real” dead Locke, something had to change. I just wasn’t sure whether or not that meant he would have to stay as Flocke from that point forward, or if he would have to take some other form…or even if his “real” form would be revealed. After all, as Flocke said to Sawyer, “I was once a real man”, or something to that effect.

    In this 2004 alternate timeline now, everything’s certainly up for grabs like Hammer mentioned, but it’s clear that these characters’ lives were meant to be intertwined (Ethan as Claire’s doctor, Ben teaching with Locke, Rose helping Locke find a job, etc). But if this just continues, Rose will die of her cancer, and I also wonder if Helen would eventually die of cancer too, as she did in the original timeline. I absolutely do not think Rose will just die, so she’s getting back to the Island somehow folks! I just don’t think it’s her destiny to die, at least not like that.

    I really hope we see Eloise, Widmore, and Desmond factor into the grand scheme of things, because they were so integral to the plot before, and there’s still so many questions, but I felt like this episode assuaged many of my worries after last week’s dud. I still wish Walt would figure into all of this, but I guess that ship sailed for the writers.

    Can’t wait for next week!

  129. Toeknee says:

    I read on Lostpedia that the first woman that Locke interviewed with is the same woman who was a fortune-teller that Hurley visited in S3 (Tricia Tanaka is Dead).

    I may be mistaken about this, but I thought that the first teacher we saw in the teacher’s lounge was Harper. She didn’t speak and was just shown briefly, so I’ll have to watch again to confirm (or refute).

    During the enhanced episode of “What Kate Does”, one of the pop-ups said that Ethan’s last name was changed to Rom when he joined the Others. I’m wondering, why? And why didn’t Ben change his name? I suppose you can chalk it up to retrofitting Ethan’s backstory into season 5 (having him be born to Horace and Amy), because I’m sure that in season 1 when they named the character Ethan Rom, D&C were more concerned about an anagram for “other man” than who Ethan’s parents were.

  130. Dukester says:

    Ok, why did they HAVE to bury John Locke, but left all the other dead folks Smokie killed inside the statue??

  131. Hammer says:

    Lyrics to the Iggy Pop song “Search and Destroy” that Sawyer was listening to when Flocke arrived, hmmmm.

    I’m a street walking cheetah
    with a heart full of napalm
    I’m a runaway son of the nuclear A-bomb
    I am a world’s forgotten boy
    The one who searches and destroys
    Honey gotta help me please
    Somebody gotta save my soul
    Baby detonates for me
    Look out honey, ’cause I’m using technology !
    Ain’t got time to make no apology
    Soul radiation in the dead of night
    Love in the middle of a fire fight
    Honey gotta strike me blind
    Somebody gotta save my soul
    Baby penetrates my mind
    And I’m the world’s forgotten boy
    The one who’s searchin’, searchin’ to destroy
    And honey I’m the world’s forgotten boy
    The one who’s searchin’, searchin’ to destroy
    Forgotten boy, forgotten boy
    Forgotten boy said
    hey forgotten boy

  132. LostGrrl says:

    [quote comment=”370813″]Lyrics to the Iggy Pop song “Search and Destroy” that Sawyer was listening to when Flocke arrived, hmmmm.

    I’m a street walking cheetah
    with a heart full of napalm
    I’m a runaway son of the nuclear A-bomb
    I am a world’s forgotten boy
    The one who searches and destroys
    Honey gotta help me please
    Somebody gotta save my soul
    Baby detonates for me
    Look out honey, ’cause I’m using technology !
    Ain’t got time to make no apology
    Soul radiation in the dead of night
    Love in the middle of a fire fight
    Honey gotta strike me blind
    Somebody gotta save my soul
    Baby penetrates my mind
    And I’m the world’s forgotten boy
    The one who’s searchin’, searchin’ to destroy
    And honey I’m the world’s forgotten boy
    The one who’s searchin’, searchin’ to destroy
    Forgotten boy, forgotten boy
    Forgotten boy said
    hey forgotten boy[/quote]

    Sounds like someone ready to be recruited by the dark side…

  133. Hammer says:

    Sounds like: “Things Flocke Would Say” for $1000.00 Alex.

  134. Hammer says:

    I think we may have seen the the new reality’s ‘Richard’. The first interviewer asked odd questions then appeared upset when he wasn’t a people person. Sort of like when Richard didn’t get the answers he wanted from young Locke. Just throwing it out there.

  135. PJSander says:

    [quote comment=”370811″]I read on Lostpedia that the first woman that Locke interviewed with is the same woman who was a fortune-teller that Hurley visited in S3 (Tricia Tanaka is Dead).[/quote]

    I thought she looked familiar, but I couldn’t remember if she was a character, or that it was she was a recognizable character actress. Thanks.

    [quote comment=”370811″]
    During the enhanced episode of “What Kate Does”, one of the pop-ups said that Ethan’s last name was changed to Rom when he joined the Others. I’m wondering, why? And why didn’t Ben change his name?[/quote]

    Remember, pop-ups aren’t canon. However, Ethan’s last name WOULD HAVE BEEN Goodspeed, since he was Horace’s son. I think that when he changed his name is irrelevant (when he joined the Others, when he went to spy on the LOSTies), but the fact that it became Rom was a D&C easter egg.

    : ) P

  136. RGS says:

    Random thought is that the candidate to replace Jacob could turn out to be Jack. That way they could have a symbolic scene at the end of the series with FLocke and JacKob where FLocke says how he wish he could kill JacKob, blah, blah, blah, since they were seemingly at odds for much of the series. Maybe Ben fits that JacKob role too.

    Antoher random thought
    Maybe Adam and Eve are Flocke and Illana. Somehow they’ll get trapped in the cave. They both choose their little rocks, they know they can’t get out, and someone moves the island one last time putting them in the past long enough for them to decompose. (They wouldn’t show the island moving to a specific time period, it would be assumed).

    I am trying to figure out whether these “rules” are just dramatic lines that will never really be defined and be island mystery, or will they explain them to an extent.

    Not sure what’s going on with Richard, one would’ve thought as soon as he was set free, he would’ve high tailed it to the Temple, instead of slummin around in the brush…he’s appearing institutionalized. The only shackles…are in your mind my friend!

    So FLocke chased the kid just to tell him, don’t tell me what I can and can’t do?

  137. sector7 says:

    Well, crap. It took me all this time to see the little link to comment – I thought the blog was down because the link is no longer in the right sidebar on the main page. Anyway, I sped through the comments and have a few initial thoughts:
    Jughead’s detonation coupled with the energy from the “pocket” being unleashed caused reality to split in two. It’s anyone’s guess as to how the Alt-characters got to where they are because the island sank underwater in the Alt-verse. Question is, will the split realities converge? Alt-Hugo acts like Jacob. UnLocke acts like Locke (e.g., UnLocke tells the boy, “Don’t tell me what I can’t do!”) – as if the real Locke is still in there somehow. I think the boy is someone/something we haven’t seen yet. Sawyer will try to kill UnLocke.

  138. sector7 says:

    Loved Ben’s eulogy – so fitting that he give it. “I’m very sorry I murdered him.”. Classic!

  139. Tasha says:

    [quote comment=”370812″]Ok, why did they HAVE to bury John Locke, but left all the other dead folks Smokie killed inside the statue??[/quote]

    I was kind of wondering about that too. The way Llana looked at Sun and those were Llana’s friends in there. I am surprised she didn’t take him to the temple. Deep inside I was thinking by the end of this season there would be a reunion with dead lock and Flocke.

  140. larryandstan says:

    [quote comment=”370820″]Loved Ben’s eulogy – so fitting that he give it. “I’m very sorry I murdered him.”. Classic![/quote]

    Agree. Also Lapidus- this is the strangest funeral I’ve ever been to.

    I wonder how Frank will tie into all this. He doesn’t think Ilana & Co were the good guys. It will be interesting to see their arrival at the temple. I don’t think Sun will find Jin upon arrival, he’s still in the woods with Claire.

  141. Mal says:

    I think an important question to ask is WHY the characters’ lives are so different in this alternate time line… presumably the island has been underwater for a while, so we know it has nothing to do with Hurley winning the lottery… but otherwise, what effect would the island’s existence/nonexistence have on the characters?

    Take Locke:
    He has a rosy relationship with his father, therefore Helen had no reason to leave him. His mother is still out of the picture… but what would the island crashing and burning in 1977 (or shortly thereafter) have to do with this?

    Richard still would have visited him in the 60s, so he at least has some sort of odd connection/knowledge of the island and the science camp.

    Also, why would Kate’s life be so different? She seems pretty confident that she is innocent, but regardless of whether or not she is guilty – she still seems more at peace with herself.

  142. wally p says:

    After seeing Ben in alt reality, I’m certain that we will see more of Ms. Hawking, Widmore and the lot. I wonder what the deal is with Ben? I guess three different outcomes, he is either still the leader on the island (if nothing changed cuz of the bomb-still searching for Locke) The Others all split the island somehow in 1977 knowing that the island was going to blow up— or he was banished from the island instead of Widmore, and Charles Widmore still holds sway, so now Ben has figured out somehow that he can use Locke to get back to the island… any thoughts on that?

    Also, I didn’t see anyone mention Jacobs ashes. Llana basically scooped them up and kept them. Looked like she was going to go add them to the collection… are all of those ashes “Jacobs” ashes?

    Also thought that Hurley looked very much like the new Jacob last night… I wonder if its just because he’s next on the list or is he the real deal?

  143. Mal says:

    Thoughts about Ben and Ethan being off the island. Either:

    The island did sink as a result of the bomb, though it was a slow enough process that the Dharmas could enact an evacuation.

    OR

    The electromagnetic pocket / bomb combination caused a lot of panic within the Island community, perhaps it made the island visible to outsiders, and someone belonging to the Others (or maybe even DI) made the island move, and it inadvertently sank.

  144. Cherry-Miss.Awesome says:

    got a question : im not sure if anybody mentioned it already but was that a medusa spider on the back of john lockes head ? before they grabed him up to bury him?hmmm idk it really looked like one

  145. wally p says:

    [quote comment=”370823″]I think an important question to ask is WHY the characters’ lives are so different in this alternate time line…

    Also, why would Kate’s life be so different? She seems pretty confident that she is innocent, but regardless of whether or not she is guilty – she still seems more at peace with herself.[/quote]

    My guess on this is that how the characters end up in one timeline effects who they are in the next… Kate and Claire becoming friends under the circumstances is not all that normal, right? But somehow she knew that she had to help Claire have the babee, because she still has that feeling of attachment to Aaron deep down inside. An experience she wouldn’t have had before when we first met her.

    To me it seemed like they were showing us at first how Lockes life had become so much better after avoiding Jack (Jack has been portrayed as an A*hole for two whole seasons now) I guessed that Jack really might be a black stone, but then they showed Ben, so I dunno. Either way, it seems that Lockes new reality shows that he is better off without the island… its just not so obvious… and it looks as though the island is still trying to get him.

    If Hurley ends as Jacob, maybe nothing changes for him, and he continues to be Jacob in the next loop, unchanged and still aware of the previous loop… therefore his completely changed attitude.

  146. Mal says:

    So, the numbers needed to be punched in the computer every 108 minutes in order to diffuse the electromagnetic pocket.

    Where did the Dharma In. get these numbers? Is it possible that Jacob would have configured the magnetic field so that it would only be affected by that particular “combination”? Thus, he would set up a mechanism for bringing the folks to the island.

    Or did the DI simply pick the numbers up somewhere, maybe they heard the radio transmission (was that the voice of Jacob???), and arbitrarily used these numbers, sort of as an inside joke?

  147. UrbanDigs says:

    fun thread…this show is certainly one to make us think, which makes it so interesting.

    But I just wanted to say something here about the theory of Quantum Multiverse or Alternate Universes or Many-Worlds theory. Im not a physics guy. But its clear that different outcomes for different people are taking place in LOST! The theory states, “everything that could possibly have happened in our past, but didn’t, has occurred in the past of some other universe or universes.”

    Did anyone here happen to see the Parallels episode of Star Trek: next Generation – had the same concept especially in the end?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallels_(Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation)

    The reason I bring up is because perhaps there is a connection here, when it comes to whatever the goal or war is about in LOST?

    So you have multiple parallel universe’s and the island is the gateway to these alternate many worlds?

    Is this onto something or way off???

  148. Mal says:

    [quote comment=”370827″][quote comment=”370823″]I think an important question to ask is WHY the characters’ lives are so different in this alternate time line…

    Also, why would Kate’s life be so different? She seems pretty confident that she is innocent, but regardless of whether or not she is guilty – she still seems more at peace with herself.[/quote]

    My guess on this is that how the characters end up in one timeline effects who they are in the next…

    Kate and Claire becoming friends under the circumstances is not all that normal, right? But somehow she knew that she had to help Claire have the babee, because she still has that feeling of attachment to Aaron deep down inside. An experience she wouldn’t have had before when we first met her.

    To me it seemed like they were showing us at first how Lockes life had become so much better after avoiding Jack (Jack has been portrayed as an A*hole for two whole seasons now) I guessed that Jack really might be a black stone, but then they showed Ben, so I dunno. Either way, it seems that Lockes new reality shows that he is better off without the island… its just not so obvious… and it looks as though the island is still trying to get him.

    If Hurley ends as Jacob, maybe nothing changes for him, and he continues to be Jacob in the next loop, unchanged and still aware of the previous loop… therefore his completely changed attitude.[/quote]

    Yes, but a big part of Locke2.0’s story is that his past now is a lot different than the one we saw the first time around… he is on good terms with his father, which likely means that he was not the reason LockeII is in a wheelchair (at least he didn’t do it maliciously), Locke2.0 is engaged to Helen…

  149. Duke says:

    [quote comment=”370778″][quote comment=”370777″][quote comment=”370774″]Maybe it’s MIB as a child. His consciousness or something. Or Jacob as a child.

    Anyone wondering how Locke ended up in a wheelchair? The way Helen told him he could invite his dad to their wedding didn’t sound like they were holding much of a grudge.[/quote]

    Yes, good point, Tasha, I thought the same thing. And Helen LEFT Locke because he was obsessing about his dad, so I imagine that backstory is different.

    It could be that he never met THAT dad, and that Helen is referring to an adoptive or foster father. Remember that the only reason Locke met Cooper was because Cooper hired a PI to find him for his organs.

    : ) P[/quote]
    It’s been very vague to far. Maybe Kate didn’t kill her dad(or anyone for that matter). We still don’t know where Hugo got the numbers from this time. Maybe Sayid isn’t a torcherer or a soldier. Wide open I think.[/quote]
    The comic con video indicated that Kate was still wanted for murder but not of her father. She had rigged his business to blow him up but he had a date scheduled with her mom so it ended up killing one of his employees or something like that. It was a America’s most wanted type video with John Walsh. You could probably find it on youtube.

  150. Duke says:

    [quote comment=”370800″][quote comment=”370799″]
    No one else in that middle section is a familiar name according to Lostpedia. But who knows how many people Jacob/MIB considered a “candidate” before this crop?[/quote]

    And the numbers aren’t in order of when Jacob touched them, either. He touched Sawyer as a kid. Maybe Sawyer is the candidate, because he is the lowest remaining number on the list?

    : ) P[/quote]
    I would say that they are ALL canidates for whatever but they get crossed off when they die.

  151. Dukester says:

    [quote comment=”370826″]got a question : im not sure if anybody mentioned it already but was that a medusa spider on the back of john lockes head ? before they grabed him up to bury him?hmmm idk it really looked like one[/quote]

    I thought it was just a beach crab.

  152. wally p says:

    Yes, but a big part of Locke2.0’s story is that his past now is a lot different than the one we saw the first time around… he is on good terms with his father, which likely means that he was not the reason LockeII is in a wheelchair (at least he didn’t do it maliciously), Locke2.0 is engaged to Helen…[/quote]

    Locke has a brigter outlook on life it seems in someways, but hes also the same hard luck type. Whatever has him the wheel chair still has him bitter– however his life is better in a lot of ways… point, he is still the same guy,, no matter if his past is different or not.

    I’m wondering how Ben is where he is. He’s living the same life, and since he was still re-born in the temple, he must know a few things. The big thing about Locke is that he is easily played and Ben has always taken advantage of that. Why would that change? Ben has lived the same life.

  153. rebls says:

    Only the leader of the Others can see Jacob. What if the young boy we saw was young Jacob, and Sawyer being able to see him, proves that he is the new leader?

  154. Mal says:

    So you recall that Eloise and Ben were expressing their worries that the Ocean 6 might not all get back to the island… and Eloise says “god help us all” or something similar, indicating that they all have to get back or else the world will end. MIB causing the apocolypse perhaps?

    But why are these people so important?! I get that they are hand-chosen candidates to replace Jacob, but there are so many of them! Jacob does not seem to be very picky when selecting his replacements. Why do they ALL have to stay alive? So Sayid has been shot, he might die… big deal! There’s still a sizeable population ready to step up to the plate…

  155. Mal says:

    [quote comment=”370836″]Only the leader of the Others can see Jacob. What if the young boy we saw was young Jacob, and Sawyer being able to see him, proves that he is the new leader?[/quote]

    Doesn’t the kid say “you can’t kill HIM”? If the child were little Jacob, he’d say “you can’t kill me” or something.

    Another question – the first time MIB sees the kid, it seems that he was standing with both palms out to the side and bloodied wrists… I wonder what that indicates.

  156. Dukester says:

    [quote comment=”370836″]Only the leader of the Others can see Jacob. What if the young boy we saw was young Jacob, and Sawyer being able to see him, proves that he is the new leader?[/quote]

    How did all of the 815’ers see him off the island then?

  157. wally p says:

    [quote comment=”370832″][quote comment=”370800″][quote comment=”370799″]
    No one else in that middle section is a familiar name according to Lostpedia. But who knows how many people Jacob/MIB considered a “candidate” before this crop?[/quote]

    And the numbers aren’t in order of when Jacob touched them, either. He touched Sawyer as a kid. Maybe Sawyer is the candidate, because he is the lowest remaining number on the list?

    : ) P[/quote]
    I would say that they are ALL canidates for whatever but they get crossed off when they die.[/quote]

    Someone mentioned that KWON could be the child of JIn and Sun… maybe then Ford and Shephard are children too (their births will be implied by the time we see Jack/Kate and Sawyer/Juliet all get it on in the 2004 alt) .

    Looking for significance to the numbers. Locke is 4, Hurley is 8. The next names on the list have two digits (could it imply, say, a next generation down?)Ford is 5 and Jarrah is 6 but one generation down, making for the 1… (15, 16) Then “Shephard” would be 3, but 2 generations down “23”, and KWON would be 2 but 4 generations down… or time loops…

  158. Tara says:

    [quote comment=”370819″]Well, crap. It took me all this time to see the little link to comment – I thought the blog was down because the link is no longer in the right sidebar on the main page. Anyway, I sped through the comments and have a few initial thoughts:
    Jughead’s detonation coupled with the energy from the “pocket” being unleashed caused reality to split in two. It’s anyone’s guess as to how the Alt-characters got to where they are because the island sank underwater in the Alt-verse. Question is, will the split realities converge? Alt-Hugo acts like Jacob. UnLocke acts like Locke (e.g., UnLocke tells the boy, “Don’t tell me what I can’t do!”) – as if the real Locke is still in there somehow. I think the boy is someone/something we haven’t seen yet. Sawyer will try to kill UnLocke.[/quote]

    I agree I do think Locke is still in there. In the begining he was too much still like Locke.

  159. little prince says:

    its officially a game!
    These 2 beings are playing our characters like puppets to achieve some goal. We are led to believe that one is good and the other is evil (black vs white). Its the game thats evil…the other timeline shows what happens without the game…to me everyone seems better off
    The rest of this season i think we will see the end of that game…hopefully the losties coming together against both sides..there is a higher power keeping the rules of this game in check, i want to see more on that
    and i still got 2 nagging questions that i feel will never get answered….whats the deal with walt and his powers..like making the rain stop in season 1…and why didnt ben just let locke kill himself if he was gonna murder him right after…i know locke mentioned Eloise Hawking but…really?…..just drops a name and ben says….now u die?

  160. Poppagopolis says:

    After Flocke threw away the white stone there was only a black rock left on the scale. Obviously this is symbolism for Jacob being dead, but is it a coincidence that the ship stranded on the island is called “Black Rock”?

  161. Dukester says:

    [quote comment=”370843″]After Flocke threw away the white stone there was only a black rock left on the scale. Obviously this is symbolism for Jacob being dead, but is it a coincidence that the ship stranded on the island is called “Black Rock”?[/quote]

    Ooooh…good catch.

  162. Poppagopolis says:

    [quote comment=”370840″][quote comment=”370832″][quote comment=”370800″][quote comment=”370799″]
    No one else in that middle section is a familiar name according to Lostpedia. But who knows how many people Jacob/MIB considered a “candidate” before this crop?[/quote]

    And the numbers aren’t in order of when Jacob touched them, either. He touched Sawyer as a kid. Maybe Sawyer is the candidate, because he is the lowest remaining number on the list?

    : ) P[/quote]
    I would say that they are ALL canidates for whatever but they get crossed off when they die.[/quote]

    Someone mentioned that KWON could be the child of JIn and Sun… maybe then Ford and Shephard are children too (their births will be implied by the time we see Jack/Kate and Sawyer/Juliet all get it on in the 2004 alt) .

    Looking for significance to the numbers. Locke is 4, Hurley is 8. The next names on the list have two digits (could it imply, say, a next generation down?)Ford is 5 and Jarrah is 6 but one generation down, making for the 1… (15, 16) Then “Shephard” would be 3, but 2 generations down “23”, and KWON would be 2 but 4 generations down… or time loops…[/quote]

    I don’t think so, Flocke referred to Sawyer as being a candidate now. Meaning that there is no generational gap

  163. Becky says:

    Here is my take on the show from last night,,,loved it by the way!

    1. Did anyone notice that the woman who was interviewing Locke was the woman who was the fake psychic when Hurley’s Dad tried to get him to think the curse could be broken?

    2. I think the dark character/smoke monster/Locke is killing off candidates so he can inherit the island. I think that Jacob left a heritage in the Losties and darkie is taking them out one by one but somehow cannot just kill them all at once. Other powers are at work.

    3. I think that kid is a child Jacob ghost.

    4. I am wondering where Dharma got the numbers (4 8 15 16 23 42) for the hatch. Did they have some communication with Jacob?

    5. So Ben is a teacher of European history and still a whiney pain in the butt…ironic.

    6. That funeral was incredibly awkward…it’s quite rare you have the murderer speak at the victim’s funeral with no reaction or repercussions.

    7. Is Richard the medium between light and dark? Why is darkie so angry with him?

    8. Is Jacob really dead?

    9. I think Ben wanted to be a candidate but he’s not and that is why he was so bitter against the Losties and Locke. He wanted to check them out to see why they were “chosen” and he wasn’t.

    10. Were the Losties taken by the Others in Season 1 candiates, too? Or were they just being protected? The list.

    11. I assume Eko was a candidate since the smoke monster killed him.

    12. How did Ben conjure the smoke monster to kill the mercenaries? Did he agree then to kill Jacob?

    More questions, of course! But I love, love, love this show!

  164. Tara says:

    [quote comment=”370841″][quote comment=”370819″]Well, crap. It took me all this time to see the little link to comment – I thought the blog was down because the link is no longer in the right sidebar on the main page. Anyway, I sped through the comments and have a few initial thoughts:
    Jughead’s detonation coupled with the energy from the “pocket” being unleashed caused reality to split in two. It’s anyone’s guess as to how the Alt-characters got to where they are because the island sank underwater in the Alt-verse. Question is, will the split realities converge? Alt-Hugo acts like Jacob. UnLocke acts like Locke (e.g., UnLocke tells the boy, “Don’t tell me what I can’t do!”) – as if the real Locke is still in there somehow. I think the boy is someone/something we haven’t seen yet. Sawyer will try to kill UnLocke.[/quote]

    I agree I do think Locke is still in there. In the beginning he was too much still like Locke.[/quote]

    I also don’t think MIB has to be evil. I get the whole concept of white and black and good v evil but there is something about him I just don’t have that feeling. But I have always thought Jacob wasn’t up to anything good.

    One old side point. It wasn’t Jacob Locke heard in the cabin. Why would he say “help me”

    I think it was MIB.

    T

  165. sector7 says:

    The underlying question regarding the Altverse is: what has happened to Jacob and MIB in the Altverse? Jacob and MIB are the players behind everything and they would still exist in the Altverse.

  166. PJSander says:

    [quote comment=”370836″]Only the leader of the Others can see Jacob. What if the young boy we saw was young Jacob, and Sawyer being able to see him, proves that he is the new leader?[/quote]

    I don’t know that only the leader can see Jacob, nor do I necessarily think that the boy was Jacob, but I like the fact that Sawyer’s seeing the boy indicates to Flocke that Sawyer is Jacob’s replacement.

    : ) P

  167. Duke says:

    Boone worked for his mother’s wedding planning business, Boone encountered Locke on the sideways plane ride to LA, and Locke and Helen are having problems with planning thier wedding. I think it is logical to predict that he will somehow help with all the wedding fuss. Entertainment Weekly’s Doc Jensen pointed this out which is somewhat interesting.

  168. Tasha says:

    [quote comment=”370843″]After Flocke threw away the white stone there was only a black rock left on the scale. Obviously this is symbolism for Jacob being dead, but is it a coincidence that the ship stranded on the island is called “Black Rock”?[/quote]

    Thats a good one!

  169. PJSander says:

    [quote comment=”370838″]Doesn’t the kid say “you can’t kill HIM”? If the child were little Jacob, he’d say “you can’t kill me” or something.
    [/quote]

    *If* the child were Jacob, then he might be referring to HIM as Sawyer, his replacement.

    If the child is not Jacob, he could still be referring to Sawyer, since, well, Jacob is already kind of dead.

    : ) P

  170. Duke says:

    No one responded to my post regarding the poster behind Locke when he spoke to Rose. It appears that it may have Desmond in the poster. Did anyone else notice this or was I just seeing things. I have looked for a screencap of the scene but have been unable to find one yet.

  171. sector7 says:

    [quote comment=”370684″][quote comment=”370683″]people have been debating alot over these 2 timelines..i think we are looking too far into it…
    when the losties made the incident in 77 it made ONE tangent timeline..thats the one where they are still on the island with flocke…the flash sideways is just what would happen if they never crash…why is it harder than that?[/quote]

    Because it’s not just ‘what would happen if they never crashed’… we see that the Island is now underwater in the new 2004. We also see that the characters’ lives are slightly different as a result of the island sinking… ex, Hurley is now “lucky”, having used lottery numbers that were not connected to the island.[/quote]
    _______________________________________

    I see it as: the 2 realities are a result of jughead being detonated at the same time the pocket of energy from the island was present. Juliet said it worked. Only thing is it created 2 realties the characters co-exist in.

  172. Duke says:

    [quote comment=”370852″][quote comment=”370838″]Doesn’t the kid say “you can’t kill HIM”? If the child were little Jacob, he’d say “you can’t kill me” or something.
    [/quote]

    *If* the child were Jacob, then he might be referring to HIM as Sawyer, his replacement.

    If the child is not Jacob, he could still be referring to Sawyer, since, well, Jacob is already kind of dead.

    : ) P[/quote]
    I thought he was referring to Sawyer as well.

  173. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”370849″][quote comment=”370836″]Only the leader of the Others can see Jacob. What if the young boy we saw was young Jacob, and Sawyer being able to see him, proves that he is the new leader?[/quote]

    I don’t know that only the leader can see Jacob, nor do I necessarily think that the boy was Jacob, but I like the fact that Sawyer’s seeing the boy indicates to Flocke that Sawyer is Jacob’s replacement.

    : ) P[/quote]
    Yep, totally reminded me of when Locke heard ‘Jacob’ in the cabin and look on Ben’s face when he realized it.

  174. wally p says:

    Sticking to the numbers. The combination seems to be the most important element that still hasn’t been addressed. 4 8 15 16 23 42. I said generations as a wild guess, based on the Kwon baby but I think it would tie closer if you looked at the time loop or the alt-universe theorys. The first digit is an indicater as to how long they have looped… and the second digit is their number… in this case, there wouldn’t be hoardes of them… really just a few. But everyone brought to the island is bound by the list.

    What MIB is describing to sawyer is full of lies, I bet MIB has never been human,,, his human weaknesses still resemble Lockes, because thats who he took on. He doesn’t know what Jacob is doing, he just wants to destroy it.

    Anyway, the combination is the most important aspect to the list. Jacobs main concern would be to have these numbers all together at the same time perhaps. Shephaerd (3) has been around twice before 23, Sawyer (5) has been around once. (I think I saw Faraday as 70, making him a “zero?” been around seven times)

    Other people not on the list are there for other reasons too. Kate had been touched by Jacob and is important, but she doesn’t have a number… Same as Sun, or Claire… she could have been there to bring Aaron directly to the island, where maybe Jacob was born (Aaron is 313), 3 (just like Jack!), thirty one times around…

    just playing around with ideas…

  175. sector7 says:

    Something else that occured to me was when UnLocke said he was trapped, I thought maybe that’s why the island was created – to keep smokie there – and that’s why it moves and can’t be found.

  176. Hammer says:

    Very interesting wallyp.

  177. Tasha says:

    [quote comment=”370852″][quote comment=”370838″]Doesn’t the kid say “you can’t kill HIM”? If the child were little Jacob, he’d say “you can’t kill me” or something.
    [/quote]

    *If* the child were Jacob, then he might be referring to HIM as Sawyer, his replacement.

    If the child is not Jacob, he could still be referring to Sawyer, since, well, Jacob is already kind of dead.

    : ) P[/quote]

    Also if he wanted [quote comment=”370853″]No one responded to my post regarding the poster behind Locke when he spoke to Rose. It appears that it may have Desmond in the poster. Did anyone else notice this or was I just seeing things. I have looked for a screencap of the scene but have been unable to find one yet.[/quote]

    IMO it’s him. I guess the girl with him is the interviewer since it is in her office but I am not sure.

  178. PJSander says:

    [quote comment=”370853″]No one responded to my post regarding the poster behind Locke when he spoke to Rose. It appears that it may have Desmond in the poster. Did anyone else notice this or was I just seeing things. I have looked for a screencap of the scene but have been unable to find one yet.[/quote]

    Not Desmond:

    http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=134844&fullsize=1

    However, I think it is interesting that at least two of the three other posters use the word DREAM:

    : ) P

  179. little prince says:

    [quote comment=”370849″][quote comment=”370836″]Only the leader of the Others can see Jacob. What if the young boy we saw was young Jacob, and Sawyer being able to see him, proves that he is the new leader?[/quote]

    I don’t know that only the leader can see Jacob, nor do I necessarily think that the boy was Jacob, but I like the fact that Sawyer’s seeing the boy indicates to Flocke that Sawyer is Jacob’s replacement.

    : ) P[/quote]
    I believe all the people that are touched will be able see him..i think that the boy is a young ghost jacob reminding Flocke of the rules…you cant kill sawyer…or me…or any of my “canidates”..gotta find another loophole…seems to me its quite obvious that jacobs time is over and now hes gotta pass the torch on….so he makes a list of names of canidates for keeping this evil guy on the island and away from the real world or “home”.

  180. PJSander says:

    [quote comment=”370853″]No one responded to my post regarding the poster behind Locke when he spoke to Rose. It appears that it may have Desmond in the poster. Did anyone else notice this or was I just seeing things. I have looked for a screencap of the scene but have been unable to find one yet.[/quote]

    I answered this, but it says my comment is awaiting moderation – probably because I put two links in it. Here is the link to the screencap – it isn’t Desmond:

    http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=134844&fullsize=1

    : ) P

  181. PJSander says:

    I also think it is interesting that at least two of the other posters use the word dream:

    : ) P

  182. Aggie Mo says:

    Whose cave were they in?

    MIB said it was Jacob’s, but could he be lying? Could it be MIB’s lair instead?

  183. Hammer says:

    Notables:

    Helen was wearing a shirt with “Peace and Kharma” on it.

    Did Locke have a mirror moment like Jack and Kate? He changed his mind about calling him after being in the mirror.

  184. Lola says:

    [quote comment=”370780″]no idea what’s gong on ! why is Ben a teacher in the alternate reality when he would have been on the island regardless of flight 815????

    still can’t stand Ilana. Also can’t deal with Locke’s lady friend.

    obviously going to stick it out, but beginning to think (though I really, really don’t want to) that LOST has lost that loving feeling. Remember anticipating for Desmond and Penny to reunite? Now with Jin & Sun, I’m like let’s get it on already, so anticlimactic!

    Richard has turned into quite the puss too….[/quote]

    OMG-how could i diss Peggy Bundy? here’s what i notice the 2nd time around- “why don’t we get my parents & your dad & just do this (get married)?” says Peggy Bundy to wheel-chair bound Locke. NOw why in hell would JL invite his father to the wedding?

  185. Tasha says:

    [quote comment=”370863″][quote comment=”370853″]No one responded to my post regarding the poster behind Locke when he spoke to Rose. It appears that it may have Desmond in the poster. Did anyone else notice this or was I just seeing things. I have looked for a screencap of the scene but have been unable to find one yet.[/quote]

    I answered this, but it says my comment is awaiting moderation – probably because I put two links in it. Here is the link to the screencap – it isn’t Desmond:

    http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=134844&fullsize=1

    : ) P[/quote]

    THX PJ! It still looks a little bit like him but I don’t think it is or they would have made it more clear. I was waiting for a screencap of it.

  186. larryandstan says:

    I think Sun is #42. The temple others allowed Kate and Jin to leave to bring back Sawyer. If they were candidates every attempt would have been made to keep them from leaving.

  187. PJSander says:

    [quote comment=”370838″]Another question – the first time MIB sees the kid, it seems that he was standing with both palms out to the side and bloodied wrists… I wonder what that indicates.[/quote]

    I don’t see a big difference between the two times. Since I can’t post both links at once, this is the first time Locke and Sawyer see the boy:

    http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=134785&fullsize=1

    I will post the screencap of the second time in the next post.

    : ) P

  188. PJSander says:

    Here is the second time Locke saw the boy:

    http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=134802&fullsize=1

    : ) P

  189. Miraks says:

    [quote comment=”370852″][quote comment=”370838″]Doesn’t the kid say “you can’t kill HIM”? If the child were little Jacob, he’d say “you can’t kill me” or something.
    [/quote]

    *If* the child were Jacob, then he might be referring to HIM as Sawyer, his replacement.

    If the child is not Jacob, he could still be referring to Sawyer, since, well, Jacob is already kind of dead.

    : ) P[/quote]

    My first thought was that the child was Jacob. The way he was dressed (old clothes, barefoot), reminded me a lot of the way Richard looked when he first approached Ben.

  190. Mal says:

    [quote comment=”370865″]Whose cave were they in?

    MIB said it was Jacob’s, but could he be lying? Could it be MIB’s lair instead?[/quote]

    It seems that the two of them share the cave… that the scales are an “inside joke” implies to me that they both use that lair as a place to ponder/plot.

  191. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”370871″]Here is the second time Locke saw the boy:

    http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=134802&fullsize=1

    : ) P[/quote]
    Yeah, the difference is actually between when saw the boy when he was with Richard. THAT’S when he had blood on his hands/arms.

  192. PJSander says:

    My bad! Those two screencaps were the second and third times Flocke sees the boy. Here is the first time, when Flocke is with Richard:

    http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=134652&fullsize=1

    : ) P

  193. RGS says:

    [quote comment=”370874″][quote comment=”370865″]Whose cave were they in?

    MIB said it was Jacob’s, but could he be lying? Could it be MIB’s lair instead?[/quote]

    It seems that the two of them share the cave… that the scales are an “inside joke” implies to me that they both use that lair as a place to ponder/plot.[/quote]

    I could definitely see that. Not sure what to think of that cave.

    On another note, did I miss where the show indicated that “candidates” could see Jacob or his manifestations? What makes these folks candidates? I was thinking that no one on the island except Richard had ever seen Jacob. That was the point FLocke was making about all these folks following someone/thing they had not seen.

    Did they say something in the show last night that I missed regarding why Sawyer saw the kid, as if that = he’s a potential leader? I’ve seen several comments about that, and I just want to make sure this is something that came out in the show or if it is a theory.

  194. Miraks says:

    [quote comment=”370867″][quote comment=”370780″]no idea what’s gong on ! why is Ben a teacher in the alternate reality when he would have been on the island regardless of flight 815????

    still can’t stand Ilana. Also can’t deal with Locke’s lady friend.

    obviously going to stick it out, but beginning to think (though I really, really don’t want to) that LOST has lost that loving feeling. Remember anticipating for Desmond and Penny to reunite? Now with Jin & Sun, I’m like let’s get it on already, so anticlimactic!

    Richard has turned into quite the puss too….[/quote]

    OMG-how could i diss Peggy Bundy? here’s what i notice the 2nd time around- “why don’t we get my parents & your dad & just do this (get married)?” says Peggy Bundy to wheel-chair bound Locke. NOw why in hell would JL invite his father to the wedding?[/quote]

    Locke also has a picture of himself and his dad on his desk at the office. I’m sure that the reason he is in the wheel chair this time around has nothing to do with his dad.

  195. Miraks says:

    On another note, the title of the episode was “The Substitute”. Possible meanings?
    1. Obviously, we saw Locke working as a substitute.
    2. Flocke is now a “substitute” for MIB?
    3. Sawyer as a possible substitute for Jacob?

  196. Highlander says:

    In the Lost Experience it was stated that the six numbers are the variables of the Valenzetti Equation, which is a mathematical formula that predicts the end of humanity. It seems pretty clear that the following Losties are the variables since Jacob has the numbers next to their names:

    4 – Locke
    8 – Reyes
    15 – Ford
    16 – Jarrah
    23 – Shephard
    42 – Kwon

    The Dharma initiative was trying to change the variables in the equation to save mankind but they weren’t successful because they didn’t know what variables to change. Jacob knows what to change but is he doing it for the good of mankind? Man-in-black also knows what to change and that means he needs everyone on the list, not just Sawyer. Where do the other Losties fit it? Maybe they are the constants and don’t need changing; only need to be on the island?

  197. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment=”370875″][quote comment=”370871″]Here is the second time Locke saw the boy:

    http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=134802&fullsize=1

    : ) P[/quote]
    Yeah, the difference is actually between when saw the boy when he was with Richard. THAT’S when he had blood on his hands/arms.[/quote]
    Based on the screencap PJ posted (Thanks PJ!) I don’t think that’s blood on his arms. I think its the effect of the leaves in the foreground blocking his arms.

  198. Highlander says:

    people have been debating alot over these 2 timelines..i think we are looking too far into it…
    when the losties made the incident in 77 it made ONE tangent timeline..thats the one where they are still on the island with flocke…the flash sideways is just what would happen if they never crash…why is it harder than that?

    Because it’s not just ‘what would happen if they never crashed’… we see that the Island is now underwater in the new 2004. We also see that the characters’ lives are slightly different as a result of the island sinking… ex, Hurley is now “lucky”, having used lottery numbers that were not connected to the island.
    _______________________________________

    I see it as: the 2 realities are a result of jughead being detonated at the same time the pocket of energy from the island was present. Juliet said it worked. Only thing is it created 2 realties the characters co-exist in.

    ———————————————-

    I thought the 2 realities (timelines) already co-existed without “jughead being detonated at the same time the pocket of energy from the island was present”. Recall Sawyer talking about how he could’ve went on the sub to his young self to prevent his parents murder-suicide. There was 2 of him at that time (i.e., 2 timelines). I think the 2 timelines occurred when they first started flashing.

  199. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”370881″][quote comment=”370875″][quote comment=”370871″]Here is the second time Locke saw the boy:

    http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=134802&fullsize=1

    : ) P[/quote]
    Yeah, the difference is actually between when saw the boy when he was with Richard. THAT’S when he had blood on his hands/arms.[/quote]
    Based on the screencap PJ posted (Thanks PJ!) I don’t think that’s blood on his arms. I think its the effect of the leaves in the foreground blocking his arms.[/quote]
    PJ’s link in post 192 shows the blood. Very confusing. If the blood was on his chest, I would say it was supposed to be Jacob. But it’s on his arms and hands which makes me think the boy killed someone. I dunno.

  200. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment=”370883″][quote comment=”370881″][quote comment=”370875″][quote comment=”370871″]Here is the second time Locke saw the boy:

    http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=134802&fullsize=1

    : ) P[/quote]
    Yeah, the difference is actually between when saw the boy when he was with Richard. THAT’S when he had blood on his hands/arms.[/quote]
    Based on the screencap PJ posted (Thanks PJ!) I don’t think that’s blood on his arms. I think its the effect of the leaves in the foreground blocking his arms.[/quote]
    PJ’s link in post 192 shows the blood. Very confusing. If the blood was on his chest, I would say it was supposed to be Jacob. But it’s on his arms and hands which makes me think the boy killed someone. I dunno.[/quote]
    Right – that’s the one I’m talking about – I don’t think it’s blood.

  201. Hammer says:

    Sorry Toeknee…really though? I’ve never seen red shadows before.

  202. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment=”370885″]Sorry Toeknee…really though? I’ve never seen red shadows before.[/quote]
    LOL yeah. Maybe I’m colorblind or need glasses but to me it looks like we’re seeing the leaves in the foreground that block portions of his arms, not casting shadows.

  203. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”370886″][quote comment=”370885″]Sorry Toeknee…really though? I’ve never seen red shadows before.[/quote]
    LOL yeah. Maybe I’m colorblind or need glasses but to me it looks like we’re seeing the leaves in the foreground that block portions of his arms, not casting shadows.[/quote]
    Gotcha, I’m gonna stick with blood for now. LOL

  204. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment=”370887″][quote comment=”370886″][quote comment=”370885″]Sorry Toeknee…really though? I’ve never seen red shadows before.[/quote]
    LOL yeah. Maybe I’m colorblind or need glasses but to me it looks like we’re seeing the leaves in the foreground that block portions of his arms, not casting shadows.[/quote]
    Gotcha, I’m gonna stick with blood for now. LOL[/quote]
    Sounds good to me. This place wouldn’t be the same if we didn’t completely disagree about something. :)

    To elaborate a little, I think it’s the lighting throwing things off too – the bright sunshine from above made the kid appear like a ghostly apparition, and maybe that is affecting my (or your) interpretation of what we’re seeing.

  205. Bill says:

    [quote comment=”370781″]Can the name Shepard not refer to Jack but to his sister Claire and therefor he is not on the list?[/quote]

    Or Aaron??

  206. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”370888″][quote comment=”370887″][quote comment=”370886″][quote comment=”370885″]Sorry Toeknee…really though? I’ve never seen red shadows before.[/quote]
    LOL yeah. Maybe I’m colorblind or need glasses but to me it looks like we’re seeing the leaves in the foreground that block portions of his arms, not casting shadows.[/quote]
    Gotcha, I’m gonna stick with blood for now. LOL[/quote]
    Sounds good to me. This place wouldn’t be the same if we didn’t completely disagree about something. :)

    To elaborate a little, I think it’s the lighting throwing things off too – the bright sunshine from above made the kid appear like a ghostly apparition, and maybe that is affecting my (or your) interpretation of what we’re seeing.[/quote]
    That’s right nemesis Toeknee, we’ve been agreeing entirely too much!

    I am hoping that when we find out who the boy is, it may shed light (pun intended) on whether or not that is blood.

  207. Mal says:

    Any thoughts on why there are so many candidates? And why he chose those that he did? Jacob really doens’t seem to be too picky about choosing people to take over protecting the island… so maybe MIB is lying about that.

    Also, Jacob ‘touches’ Hurley before Hurley hops aboard the Ajira flight, well after the numbers have been established.

    Perhaps Jacob’s “list” is not the same as those that he touches… remember, he touches Kate, but her name doesn’t come up anywhere.

    Still can’t figure out why Jack wasn’t on Jacob’s list… his name was written on the wall, and he was touched by Jacob… if both the MIB and Jacob have lists, seems that Jack would still at least appear on Jacob’s somewhere.

  208. Toeknee says:

    I went over to Lostpedia to see what they had to say and they do say his arms were “bloodied”, so it MUST be true. I certainly do not rule it out. Hopefully there will be some clarification.

    Also FYI there is some spoilerish info on their page about “the boy”, and the casting call info for him. I think it gives a good indication of who it’s supposed to be, but that may have been written to be intentionally misleading.

  209. Bacon Is My Constant says:

    i see that several people think it’s a game of good vs. evil. i have never thought if it that way. i’ve always thought it was fate vs. free will, “man of science vs man of faith”.
    in backgammon, there is no “evil side” or else no one would ever want to be the black chips. instead, the game is a race to get your pieces into place faster than your opponent.
    if ben vs. widmore is an extension of “the game” with jacob vs. MIB, can’t we agree that ben AND widmore are douchebags? both have done good AND evil things for their own gain. that’s why i don’t think it’s good vs evil.

  210. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”370889″][quote comment=”370781″]Can the name Shepard not refer to Jack but to his sister Claire and therefor he is not on the list?[/quote]

    Or Aaron??[/quote]
    Not likely since Aaron was not fathered by a Sheppard, if not his father’s name, than most likely Littleton would be his last name.

  211. Hurley's Dad says:

    [quote comment=”370891″]Any thoughts on why there are so many candidates?[/quote]

    Sure – cuz they need more than one.

    Maybe BOTH Jacob and MIB need replacements, which will lead to Jack and James becoming stuck on the island for centuries to come.

  212. Hurley's Dad says:

    Two thoughts:
    If Locke is on good terms with Daddy Cooper, that probably means he’s not a con man, which probably means that he didn’t con Sawyer’s Mommy, which means James Ford never became Sawyer in this timeline. (Which fits with his reaction to Hurley being a millionaire in LA X.)

    What will Ilana do with the “Ash of Jacob”?

  213. Hammer says:

    Rewatching the cave scene…the producers are telling us that the Shepard on the wall is Jack. Sawyer says “that’s Jack” (not exact words) and then they show the scene when Jacob touched Jack.

  214. Poppagopolis says:

    [quote comment=”370869″]I think Sun is #42. The temple others allowed Kate and Jin to leave to bring back Sawyer. If they were candidates every attempt would have been made to keep them from leaving.[/quote]

    They seemed okay to let Sawyer leave. He’s a candidate too

  215. Highlander says:

    In the Lost Experience it was said that the six numbers are the variables of the Valenzetti Equation, which is a mathematical formula that predicts the end of humanity. It seems pretty clear that the following Losties are the variables (i.e., candidates) since Jacob has the numbers next to their names:

    4 – Locke
    8 – Reyes
    15 – Ford
    16 – Jarrah
    23 – Shephard
    42 – Kwon

    The Dharma initiative was trying to change the variables in the equation to save mankind but they weren’t successful because they didn’t know what variables to change. Jacob knows what to change but is he doing it for the good of mankind? Man-in-black also knows what to change and that means he needs everyone on the list, not just Sawyer. Where do the other Losties fit it? Maybe they are the constants and don’t need changing; only need to be on the island?

  216. Duke says:

    [quote comment=”370861″][quote comment=”370853″]No one responded to my post regarding the poster behind Locke when he spoke to Rose. It appears that it may have Desmond in the poster. Did anyone else notice this or was I just seeing things. I have looked for a screencap of the scene but have been unable to find one yet.[/quote]

    Not Desmond:

    http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=134844&fullsize=1

    However, I think it is interesting that at least two of the three other posters use the word DREAM:

    : ) P[/quote]
    It sure as hell looks like him.

  217. Mal says:

    What does it take to be a candidate? What do all of these people have in common? They’re all so different, and there are so many of them… I just would like to see a pattern to Jacob’s logic!

  218. Aggie Mo says:

    [quote comment=”370901″]What does it take to be a candidate? What do all of these people have in common? They’re all so different, and there are so many of them… I just would like to see a pattern to Jacob’s logic![/quote]

    To quote MIB, they are all vulnerable and susceptible to manipulation …

  219. bdh says:

    So in the alternative reality Ben is the leader (?) of the teachers at the school that Locke has been sent for his new job.

    And, unlike in the original timeline, Ben welcomes John to his domain. It will be interesting to see if that’s a genuine welcome from Ben, or if Ben’s jealousy trancends island drama. If he plays his cards right, Locke could make Principal within the year. :)

  220. Miraks says:

    So when Flocke and Sawyer climbed down to the cave, were they using “Jacob’s Ladder”?

  221. ret says:

    anyone else find it interesting that we didn’t see jacob come to hurley until after he had already been to the island? of course, hurley was already influenced by the numbers somehow, but he seemed to stumble into that on his own without getting jacobs nudge. I dont really know what if anything this would imply but I do find in curious.

  222. PJSander says:

    [quote comment=”370889″][quote comment=”370781″]Can the name Shepard not refer to Jack but to his sister Claire and therefor he is not on the list?[/quote]

    Or Aaron??[/quote]

    Or GrandDad Ray?

    : ) P

  223. PJSander says:

    [quote comment=”370896″]Two thoughts:
    If Locke is on good terms with Daddy Cooper, that probably means he’s not a con man, which probably means that he didn’t con Sawyer’s Mommy, which means James Ford never became Sawyer in this timeline. (Which fits with his reaction to Hurley being a millionaire in LA X.)[/quote]

    Um, yeah, no, can’t quite buy that. Sawyer’s parents were killed in 1976. The “reset” didn’t happen until 1977.

    : ) P

  224. LostJunkie says:

    [quote comment=”370906″][quote comment=”370889″][quote comment=”370781″]Can the name Shepard not refer to Jack but to his sister Claire and therefor he is not on the list?[/quote]

    Or Aaron??[/quote]

    Or GrandDad Ray?

    : ) P[/quote]

    Or the baby that Kate might be carrying right now?

    Remember that we speculated that Kate could be preggers based on the fact that she and Jack hooked up right before the Ajira flight. So if she is, it would be a Shephard baby, no?

  225. ret says:

    [quote comment=”370907″][quote comment=”370896″]Two thoughts:
    If Locke is on good terms with Daddy Cooper, that probably means he’s not a con man, which probably means that he didn’t con Sawyer’s Mommy, which means James Ford never became Sawyer in this timeline. (Which fits with his reaction to Hurley being a millionaire in LA X.)[/quote]

    Um, yeah, no, can’t quite buy that. Sawyer’s parents were killed in 1976. The “reset” didn’t happen until 1977.

    : ) P[/quote]

    Maybe Jacob had originally traveled back in time from a future point in order to tag sawyer.

    I don’t really think thats the deal here, but on a time traveling mystery island you can’t really rule it out.

    personally I expect sawyer to be changed a bit due to the fact that everyone is so far, but I also find his behavior in LA X consistant with him still being a scam artist. if he was going to rip hurley off, he would want to earn his trust. and it seems to me as he leaves the plane, sawyer’s attention is pretty focused on hurley.

  226. sector7 says:

    [quote comment=”370907″][quote comment=”370896″]Two thoughts:
    If Locke is on good terms with Daddy Cooper, that probably means he’s not a con man, which probably means that he didn’t con Sawyer’s Mommy, which means James Ford never became Sawyer in this timeline. (Which fits with his reaction to Hurley being a millionaire in LA X.)[/quote]

    Um, yeah, no, can’t quite buy that. Sawyer’s parents were killed in 1976. The “reset” didn’t happen until 1977.

    : ) P[/quote]
    ___________________________________________
    That is a good catch. However, could be a continuity error. After all, if AltJames is a con-artist, why not take advantage of AltHugo millionaire who practically dared him to take advantage of him on the plane? I don’t see a pro con-man walking away from that.

  227. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment=”370910″][quote comment=”370907″][quote comment=”370896″]Two thoughts:
    If Locke is on good terms with Daddy Cooper, that probably means he’s not a con man, which probably means that he didn’t con Sawyer’s Mommy, which means James Ford never became Sawyer in this timeline. (Which fits with his reaction to Hurley being a millionaire in LA X.)[/quote]

    Um, yeah, no, can’t quite buy that. Sawyer’s parents were killed in 1976. The “reset” didn’t happen until 1977.

    : ) P[/quote]
    ___________________________________________
    That is a good catch. However, could be a continuity error. After all, if AltJames is a con-artist, why not take advantage of AltHugo millionaire who practically dared him to take advantage of him on the plane? I don’t see a pro con-man walking away from that.[/quote]
    We haven’t seen Sawyer’s or Hurley’s stories in the alternate timeline yet. It could very well be that Sawyer arranges to bump into Hurley again, “by accident”, strike up a conversation, become friends etc etc. In other words, set him up for the long con.

  228. 4 8 15 16 23 42 says:

    Good theories so far. One that I thought of is that the boy could be Locke. He reminds me of the young Locke that Alpert came to see to test.

    It could be young Locke almost as his conscience, and that’s why we still see parts of Locke coming out.

  229. little losty says:

    Anyone else think that the little boy is the island and became the islands representitive when somthing terribble happend to him when the island was normal. Maybe Jacob and MIB kill his mother and his sadness awoke the island. Or somthing….

  230. PJSander says:

    [quote comment=”370910″]
    That is a good catch. However, could be a continuity error. [/quote]

    Continuity error? Possible, but highly unlikely especially since Sawyer made a point of saying (in 1977) that his folks died the year before and that he COULD have changed things if he had chosen to. That isn’t something that could be forgotten!

    : ) P

  231. ret says:

    another thought about the Kwon in the cave. assuming it does not refer to Sun may explain why she didn’t go back in time when the second plane crashed.

  232. LostJunkie says:

    [quote comment=”370912″]Good theories so far. One that I thought of is that the boy could be Locke. He reminds me of the young Locke that Alpert came to see to test.

    It could be young Locke almost as his conscience, and that’s why we still see parts of Locke coming out.[/quote]

    I thought that the way MIB said “don’t tell me what I can’t do!” was really cool. Picking up on the above comments, could it be that somehow MIB’s consciousness was there the whole time in Locke? When MIB said it in last night’s episode and when the real Locke did before, the line was said basically exactly the same, with the same conviction, the same passion, etc. Like it was being felt by the same person. And maybe that’s why we felt early in the series that Locke had some special communion with the Island? Why he did some questionable things, like shoot Naomi, knock out Sayid, etc?

  233. 2Lost says:

    It was clear that MIB could not Con THE CON MAN Swayer plans to use MIB to his own advantage. Everything that MIB said about Jacob forcing his will on the losties is a lie that’s MIB’s focus at this point in the GAME. The Question I have is you made the RULES?

  234. Bobola says:

    [quote comment=”370729″]Producer Notes… The Substitute.

    Editor: We need a good review on this one. Call the LostBlog.net.

    Bobola: Ready! (?)[/quote]

    ======
    Sorry to say…
    I’ve had it with the Show…
    I know, I know,
    it’s boring to hear me complain…but hell; I stuck it out this long. Igottarightto bitch some.
    I guess finding great books at the Library recently has turned me into a snob.

    Now the actors seem to be struggling with their parts.
    And the cornball cliches…Locke in a wheelchair with cello music behind as his gf says; You is MY MIRACLE John Locke schmookins babydoll honey pie, taste my suger lips….
    Yup, never had any of dat maple syrup before.

    The old “who’s good, who’s bad…really…game is played out. Just gimme some good old baddies like Patchy. I don’t need a makeover for every damn Lostie.

    I NEED to find out;
    WTF is up with the Slave ship
    and Penny’s Dad; bring back the BAD guys!

    Who the hell is that new Japanese guy?

    When is Miles gift gonna REALLY pay off?

    What did the pilot mutter at Locke’s grave?

    Why were Alpert’s lines delivered so badly…the worst acting spot on LOST ever except for Charlie’s death scene
    (dumb rocker can’t hold his breath?)
    and; where does Alpert get his eyeliner?

    What drugs were the writers on when they decided to turn Hugo from a Hot Red CAr drivin” Kitschy T-shirt Lovin’ Chicken chomper into Mr. Businessman? Them musta been some good Mushrooms!
    What’s Jack gonna become? A cross dressing Dog Catcher?

    And finally;
    I’ve been watching The “L” Word…I demand a Lesbian scene in LOST…it’s only fair!

    Personal Message to fLocke;
    Keep grinning like that and yer face is gonna get stuck thata way perm-like.

  235. Kat says:

    [quote comment=”370862″][quote comment=”370849″][quote comment=”370836″]Only the leader of the Others can see Jacob. What if the young boy we saw was young Jacob, and Sawyer being able to see him, proves that he is the new leader?[/quote]

    I don’t know that only the leader can see Jacob, nor do I necessarily think that the boy was Jacob, but I like the fact that Sawyer’s seeing the boy indicates to Flocke that Sawyer is Jacob’s replacement.

    : ) P[/quote]
    I believe all the people that are touched will be able see him..i think that the boy is a young ghost jacob reminding Flocke of the rules…you cant kill sawyer…or me…or any of my “canidates”..gotta find another loophole…seems to me its quite obvious that jacobs time is over and now hes gotta pass the torch on….so he makes a list of names of canidates for keeping this evil guy on the island and away from the real world or “home”.[/quote]

    What if the boy meant “you can’t kill Richard”? Because the first time we saw the boy(with blood on his hands)it looked like Locke was going to kill Richard and after seeing the boy it seemed like he changed his mind

  236. Miss lost says:

    [quote comment=”370893″]i see that several people think it’s a game of good vs. evil.

    i have never thought if it that way. i’ve always thought it was fate vs. free will, “man of science vs man of faith”.
    in backgammon, there is no “evil side” or else no one would ever want to be the black chips.

    instead, the game is a race to get your pieces into place faster than your opponent.
    if ben vs. widmore is an extension of “the game” with jacob vs. MIB, can’t we agree that ben AND widmore are douchebags? both have done good AND evil things for their own gain. that’s why i don’t think it’s good vs evil.[/quote]
    *******
    I am still leaning to it mirroring LIFE…with all of those themes…we all have them and all deal with them in our lives.

  237. SF LOST says:

    No one yet has mentioned that (2004)Locke and Flocke (2007) both say/scream “Don’t tell me what I can’t do” in last night’s episode. Now why would that happen?!

  238. Miss lost says:

    Interesting how many other things make me think of Lost. I was at church today for Ash Wednesday and found myself compairing what the priest was saying about the importance of the Ash to how it relates to Lost (not the best place to be thinking about Lost but whose judgeing?). Anyway, he talked about it bringing our life full cirlce…that in death we have life and that ashes are a rebirth…and that they fertilize the land and bring about new life and growth…just found it interesting since I thought they make a big deal about protecting themselves from MIB by using the Ash and then Llana scooping up the ashes of Jacob.

  239. Celticsfan says:

    Wow do the writers of this show really have their work cut out for them. So many loose ends to tie up in a single season. I almost feel as though it would take two season two answer all the questions they have posed. But I must say the question that bothers me the most is one that has been asked since season 1. I cant for the life of me figure out any significance in the numbers on the island. 4,8 blah blah blah you all know the sequence. The explanation for this is either going to be incredibly genius…or an epic fail..

  240. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment=”370925″]Wow do the writers of this show really have their work cut out for them. So many loose ends to tie up in a single season. I almost feel as though it would take two season two answer all the questions they have posed. But I must say the question that bothers me the most is one that has been asked since season 1. I cant for the life of me figure out any significance in the numbers on the island. 4,8 blah blah blah you all know the sequence. The explanation for this is either going to be incredibly genius…or an epic fail..[/quote]
    First off, great name. I hope they can turn their season around.

    Secondly, about the numbers. Between seasons 2 and 3 there was an online alternate reality game called The Lost Experience (TLE), and within TLE they revealed that the numbers were factors in something called the Valenzetti equation, which had something to do with saving the world. I didn’t follow TLE that closely so I can’t explain the numbers/the Valenzetti equation in much detail, but if you’re interested in reading more I suggest going here:

    http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Valenzetti_Equation

    If you go to that page, you’ll see a links to many other related pages which will provide more information, but most notable is the “Sri Lanka Video” which is worth watching.

    Whether this is genius or ane epic failure is for you to decide. But my guess is that this or any other explanation of the meaning of the Numbers will not be provided on the TV show.

  241. mrs markelz says:

    Who is ILana? I’m starting to think she was “Jacob” before Jacob she seems to know a lot about the rules and the island, she is more than just an other. I’m curious what everyone’s take on her is…

  242. sector7 says:

    [quote comment=”370915″][quote comment=”370910″]
    That is a good catch. However, could be a continuity error. [/quote]

    Continuity error? Possible, but highly unlikely especially since Sawyer made a point of saying (in 1977) that his folks died the year before and that he COULD have changed things if he had chosen to. That isn’t something that could be forgotten!

    : ) P[/quote]
    _____________________________________
    I know but the writers have admitted to mistakes they have made before with dates and things (like Charlotte’s age), so I’m just sayin’… It seems like AltSawyer would have taken advantage of AltHugo if he was a con man, right? Maybe it remains to be seen.

    I think it will be interesting to see if Faraday exists in the Altverse. Maybe instead of basing his work on time travel it’s based on parrallel universes!

  243. RGS says:

    [quote comment=”370925″]Wow do the writers of this show really have their work cut out for them. So many loose ends to tie up in a single season. I almost feel as though it would take two season two answer all the questions they have posed. But I must say the question that bothers me the most is one that has been asked since season 1. I cant for the life of me figure out any significance in the numbers on the island. 4,8 blah blah blah you all know the sequence. The explanation for this is either going to be incredibly genius…or an epic fail..[/quote]

    I hope you’re prepared for the reality that the numbers may have already been explained. “Jacob had a thing with numbers.” Sure, no one who’s pondered that mystery wants that to be the answer but would it be shocking? I say it would not.

    Remember at the end of the premiere, Flocke 2-pieces Richard picks him up and walks off, and the rest of the folks did nothing. That was never explained, especially if he’s stuck in Locke form as Illana suggested. I can’t take credit for this comment, as it is from a friend, but he said, “I got the impression that Flocke could have ripped Richard’s heart out and began eating it, while everyone would have patiently waited for him to finish, with his ‘I’m disappointed in all of you'”

  244. freckles says:

    [quote comment=”370893″]i see that several people think it’s a game of good vs. evil.

    i have never thought if it that way. i’ve always thought it was fate vs. free will, “man of science vs man of faith”.
    in backgammon, there is no “evil side” or else no one would ever want to be the black chips.

    instead, the game is a race to get your pieces into place faster than your opponent.
    if ben vs. widmore is an extension of “the game” with jacob vs. MIB, can’t we agree that ben AND widmore are douchebags? both have done good AND evil things for their own gain. that’s why i don’t think it’s good vs evil.[/quote]

    I agree with the concept of a backgammon game. I believe that Jacob and MIB have been playing it way back in ancient times. they didn’t choose chess, where pieces have certain powers. Backgammon is about keeping your pieces together, because when they are alone, they are vulnerable “live together, die alone”. If the two of them play the game like my husband and I then: one player keeps them together as much as they can (like the others)while the other always has one piece left back to use to attack the opponent (like smokey). every time you play, someone different wins and the end result is the same…getting home. Isn’t that what MIB wants. Aren’t pieces in backgammon used over and over in and out of the game, just like the people going on and off the island. the biggest key to winning backgammon is doubles. Isn’t Locke turning to Flocke sort of like a “double” or his loophole to win.

  245. Mal says:

    [quote comment=”370919″][quote comment=”370729″]Producer Notes… The Substitute.

    Editor: We need a good review on this one. Call the LostBlog.net.

    Bobola: Ready! (?)[/quote]

    ======
    Sorry to say…

    ….

    Personal Message to fLocke;
    Keep grinning like that and yer face is gonna get stuck thata way perm-like.[/quote]

    Bobola, I have some RoseZenlike advice for you…

    ahem

    “Honey, Lost is a TV show. You can compare it to classic literature all you want, but at some point you gotta realize that this ain’t no book, and you aint tellin the story in your head…

    Now, TV ain’t the best form of entertainment we got, but as far as that goes, Lost is a damn good show. You gotta accept that you watchin TV and start enjoyin.”

  246. PJSander says:

    [quote comment=”370932″]Bobola, I have some RoseZenlike advice for you…

    ahem

    “Honey, Lost is a TV show. You can compare it to classic literature all you want, but at some point you gotta realize that this ain’t no book, and you aint tellin the story in your head…

    Now, TV ain’t the best form of entertainment we got, but as far as that goes, Lost is a damn good show. You gotta accept that you watchin TV and start enjoyin.”[/quote]

    Oh mylanta, I actually heard L. Scott Caldwell’s voice as I read that! Well done.

    : ) P

  247. Larla says:

    [quote comment=”370932″][quote comment=”370919″][quote comment=”370729″]Producer Notes… The Substitute.

    Editor: We need a good review on this one. Call the LostBlog.net.

    Bobola: Ready! (?)[/quote]

    ======
    Sorry to say…

    ….

    Personal Message to fLocke;
    Keep grinning like that and yer face is gonna get stuck thata way perm-like.[/quote]

    Bobola, I have some RoseZenlike advice for you…

    ahem

    “Honey, Lost is a TV show. You can compare it to classic literature all you want, but at some point you gotta realize that this ain’t no book, and you aint tellin the story in your head…

    Now, TV ain’t the best form of entertainment we got, but as far as that goes, Lost is a damn good show. You gotta accept that you watchin TV and start enjoyin.”[/quote]

    Well said, Mal! It cracks me up how people say they are “done with lost” or “so over this show” but they continue to watch, read the blog, and comment!

  248. Mateo says:

    Well, at least we know most, if not all the Losties die on the island… Richard still has yet to “watch them all die”… there was a reason Richard said that, way to important… although it seems like forever since he said that so most people probably forget. Love the ideas on this blog!

  249. sector7 says:

    Ok, so presumably in the altverse the island sank as a result of jughead + energy pocket in 1977. I suppose the “sinking” wasn’t instantaneous, but somewhat gradual, like hours or a couple of days. But how do you suppose young altBen made it off the island? The sub had already left.

  250. PJSander says:

    [quote comment=”370936″]Ok, so presumably in the altverse the island sank as a result of jughead + energy pocket in 1977. I suppose the “sinking” wasn’t instantaneous, but somewhat gradual, like hours or a couple of days. But how do you suppose young altBen made it off the island? The sub had already left.[/quote]

    I don’t think it has to be hours or days – it could have taken 20+ years, or been instantaneous IN 20 years.

    : ) P

  251. Miraks says:

    [quote comment=”370904″]So when Flocke and Sawyer climbed down to the cave, were they using “Jacob’s Ladder”?[/quote]

    OK, so I’m gonna quote myself. I threw this out there yesterday, but no one responded. I think “Jacob’s Ladder” is a BIG wink/ easter egg/ symbolic hint for us. It would further point to the idea of redemption and re-living one’s live to become a better person. Just a thought, maybe I’m reading too far into it.

  252. Larla says:

    [quote comment=”370938″][quote comment=”370904″]So when Flocke and Sawyer climbed down to the cave, were they using “Jacob’s Ladder”?[/quote]

    OK, so I’m gonna quote myself. I threw this out there yesterday, but no one responded. I think “Jacob’s Ladder” is a BIG wink/ easter egg/ symbolic hint for us. It would further point to the idea of redemption and re-living one’s live to become a better person. Just a thought, maybe I’m reading too far into it.[/quote]
    I thought about that, too. I saw it on the Lostpedia site also. That could definitely be symbolic- if it is actually Jacob’s cave. We’ve also seen theories that it could be MIB’s cave and he is just being deceitful…

  253. DocH says:

    In defense of Bobola.

    re: Ladies that have been critiquing Bobola’s critique… Golden Rule – “Don’t poke the Bobola” – (don’t ever poke the bear!).

    He seems to follow all of the rules… 1) is aware of what others have written before him. 2) stays on topic – like a laser. 3) constructive – for the most part… and seems very willing to discuss his complaints. 4) doesn’t spoil. 5) generally kind and helpful to those he addresses directly.

    You see the rules don’t say NO COMPLAINING at all… but that you should be willing to discuss complaints. AND ‘be kind’ doesn’t mean to ‘the show’.

    But that whole little “RoseZenlike” hippie lovefest diatribe did violate the guidelines. It Was Not On Topic (S6Ep4), it wasn’t Constructive (think like me, waa!), it did not address his Complaints, and it wasn’t Kind (condescending).

    Bobola has been a fixture here for YEARS…. and some of us admire his courage to say what we are thinking – and the audacity with which he delivers to us – “his” insight about LOST.

  254. Miraks says:

    This is also interesting:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bardo

    So is this:

    http://www.trivia-library.com/c/history-of-afterlife-in-different-religions-tibetan-buddhism.htm

    Maybe the “candidates” are those eligible/ up for a new life (i.e. in a parallel universe). They can still be used by Jacob and MIB in their game, but each “cycle” has to be determined by free will. Jacob sees “improvement” in each cycle (going up the ladder?), while MIB does not believe they can ever reach the top.

  255. DocH says:

    [quote comment=”370938″]So when Flocke and Sawyer climbed down to the cave, were they using “Jacob’s Ladder”?[/quote]

    I ignored it yesterday because I think it is MIB’s cave, ergo his ladder. Who told us it was Jacob’s cave.

    Exactly. Know liar and manipulator of mortals. MIB brought James down there for a two-bit tour, to toss Jacob’s white stone into the sea and to cross-off Locke’s name. No reason for above ground Jacob to have a below ground hangout. Smokey is the sub surface dweller (vents/tunnels)

  256. PJSander says:

    [quote comment=”370941″]He seems to follow all of the rules… 1) is aware of what others have written before him. 2) stays on topic – like a laser. 3) constructive – for the most part… and seems very willing to discuss his complaints. 4) doesn’t spoil. 5) generally kind and helpful to those he addresses directly.[/quote]

    DocH, you know I respect your opinion, and you are entitled to defend whomever you wish. However, I am not sure that I agree that…

    [quote comment=”370919″]
    Why were Alpert’s lines delivered so badly…the worst acting spot on LOST ever except for Charlie’s death scene (dumb rocker can’t hold his breath?)
    and; where does Alpert get his eyeliner?

    What drugs were the writers on when they decided to turn Hugo from a Hot Red CAr drivin” Kitschy T-shirt Lovin’ Chicken chomper into Mr. Businessman? Them musta been some good Mushrooms!
    What’s Jack gonna become? A cross dressing Dog Catcher?

    And finally;
    I’ve been watching The “L” Word…I demand a Lesbian scene in LOST…it’s only fair!
    [/quote]

    could be construed as constructive or on topic in ANY way.

    And as you have the right to defend Bobola, I have the right to defend Mal (and by extension, myself for commenting on his/her post). I don’t think the post attacked Bobola at all. Bobola’s post didn’t really seem to be asking for debate about the show, but rather a statement. Mal’s response was about how Rose might react to that. I thought it was hilarious.

    : ) P

  257. DocH says:

    [quote comment=”370944″]
    …could be construed as constructive or on topic in ANY way.
    [/quote]

    You see, what I am reading is.

    1) Actor Carbonell appeared to deliver an uncharacteristically poor performance.

    (which is what I had thought too, but no one mentioned it until Bobola)

    2) The writing staff appears to be taking the Reyes and Shephard characters down excessively diversionary paths in their individual storyarcs.

    (which is what I think too)

    3) The writing staff has not incorporated a certain type of intimate adult relationship into the storyline. Maybe they should.

    (too late in the series to effectively incorporate, IMO. But Claire and Kate do have a baby on the way. And they are in California… I’m just sayin’)
    – – – –
    For those so quick to censor another, maybe you should read their inputs again – with fresh eyes.

  258. Laila says:

    Does anyone else see the thread that runs through the series regarding “killing one’s father”? Could the loophole have to do with Jacob only being killed by one of his children/adopted children? Did he somehow adopt Ben (when brought to the Temple and reborn) and therefore Ben was able to kill him? Spme examples:

    1. John Locke was tested by being asked to kill his father. He refused and had Sawyer do it.
    2. Ben killed his father with no hesitation and killed Jacob with the same ease.
    3. Shepard thinks he killed his father by abandoning him and to cause his drinking.
    4. Jen was willing to renounce his own father and refused to acknowledge his family to his shame.
    5. Kate may or may not have killed her father figure.
    6. Sawyer’s father killed himself in front of his own child – something a child never forgets nor forgives himself.
    7. Didn’t Sayid hate his father for making him kill the animal? I can’t remember what happens to Sayid’s father.
    8. Sun purposely ruined her own father to seek revenge for Jen’s alleged death.
    9. Hurley’s father abandons him while he was young but Hurley was the only character that forgave his father and allowed him back into Hurley’s life.

  259. Jaime says:

    [quote comment=”370777″][quote comment=”370774″]Maybe it’s MIB as a child. His consciousness or something. Or Jacob as a child.

    Anyone wondering how Locke ended up in a wheelchair? The way Helen told him he could invite his dad to their wedding didn’t sound like they were holding much of a grudge.[/quote]

    Yes, good point, Tasha, I thought the same thing. And Helen LEFT Locke because he was obsessing about his dad, so I imagine that backstory is different.

    It could be that he never met THAT dad, and that Helen is referring to an adoptive or foster father. Remember that the only reason Locke met Cooper was because Cooper hired a PI to find him for his organs.

    : ) P[/quote]
    *************************************
    But he did meet that dad, (Cooper) there was a picture of the two of them on Lockes desk at the box company

  260. MyraBird says:

    I think FLoke is not telling Sawyer the whole truth. MIB is looking for his own replacement as well so they are all candidates to be the next Jacob OR the next MIB.

    Also, the way Richard told Sawyer that MIB wanted to “kill them all”. It reminded me of how many times someone had tried to kill everyone on the island. The Others killed all the Dharma folks (why did they do that again??) and then Widmore’s boat people were going to kill everyone. Now Richard says that MIB wants to kill everyone. What’s up with that??

  261. Mal says:

    [quote comment=”370944″][quote comment=”370941″]He seems to follow all of the rules… 1) is aware of what others have written before him. 2) stays on topic – like a laser. 3) constructive – for the most part… and seems very willing to discuss his complaints. 4) doesn’t spoil. 5) generally kind and helpful to those he addresses directly.[/quote]

    DocH, you know I respect your opinion, and you are entitled to defend whomever you wish. However, I am not sure that I agree that…

    [quote comment=”370919″]
    Why were Alpert’s lines delivered so badly…the worst acting spot on LOST ever except for Charlie’s death scene (dumb rocker can’t hold his breath?)
    and; where does Alpert get his eyeliner?

    What drugs were the writers on when they decided to turn Hugo from a Hot Red CAr drivin” Kitschy T-shirt Lovin’ Chicken chomper into Mr. Businessman? Them musta been some good Mushrooms!
    What’s Jack gonna become? A cross dressing Dog Catcher?

    And finally;
    I’ve been watching The “L” Word…I demand a Lesbian scene in LOST…it’s only fair!
    [/quote]

    could be construed as constructive or on topic in ANY way.

    And as you have the right to defend Bobola, I have the right to defend Mal (and by extension, myself for commenting on his/her post). I don’t think the post attacked Bobola at all. Bobola’s post didn’t really seem to be asking for debate about the show, but rather a statement. Mal’s response was about how Rose might react to that. I thought it was hilarious.

    : ) P[/quote]

    Thanks, PJ… your support is much appreciated.

    DocH, yow! I meant no offense, nor did I intend to censor anyone’s opinions. I was just passing on some advice. Sorry if it was misinterpreted.

  262. Jaime says:

    I looked before posting but could not find this mentioned (sorry if it was)

    All of the candidates w/numbers on the wall are associated with men. IMHO I think 42 is Jin (Justin telling Also that he was “one of them”)

    4-Locke
    8-Hurley
    15-Sawyer
    16-Sayid
    23-Shepherd
    42-Kwon

    Just an observation

  263. Jaime says:

    [quote comment=”370950″]I looked before posting but could not find this mentioned (sorry if it was)

    All of the candidates w/numbers on the wall are associated with men. IMHO I think 42 is Jin (Justin telling Also that he was “one of them”)

    4-Locke
    8-Hurley
    15-Sawyer
    16-Sayid
    23-Shepherd
    42-Kwon

    Just an observation[/quote]
    ****************************************

    Also, Kate could be on the wall. We know that Austen was not her father so technically we don’t know her real last name.

  264. Jaime says:

    There are a lot of crossed out names that appear to be of Spanish decent. I would be willing to wager that these were people that were possible candidates from the Black Rock

  265. DocH says:

    [quote comment=”370949″]
    DocH, yow! I meant no offense, nor did I intend to censor anyone’s opinions. I was just passing on some advice. Sorry if it was misinterpreted.[/quote]
    — I am not offended in anyway. There is zero emotion at this keyboard. That is why I interceded.

    Years of experience has taught, you don’t “pass advice” on to Bobola. Especially when you do it “in character” – and it comes off a bit snarky. You concur, or do not concur, with Bobola… to do so otherwise risks unwanted attention, hence the “don’t poke the bear” advisory statement.

    Hint: “You’ve gotta except…” equates to censorship.

  266. Miss lost says:

    [quote comment=”370951″][quote comment=”370950″]I looked before posting but could not find this mentioned (sorry if it was)

    All of the candidates w/numbers on the wall are associated with men. IMHO I think 42 is Jin (Justin telling Also that he was “one of them”)

    4-Locke
    8-Hurley
    15-Sawyer
    16-Sayid
    23-Shepherd
    42-Kwon

    Just an observation[/quote]
    ****************************************

    Also, Kate could be on the wall. We know that Austen was not her father so technically we don’t know her real last name.[/quote]
    *****************
    I like the idea that it is Jin and that the candidates are men!

  267. Fast Eddie S says:

    [quote comment=”370954″][quote comment=”370951″][quote comment=”370950″]I looked before posting but could not find this mentioned (sorry if it was)

    All of the candidates w/numbers on the wall are associated with men. IMHO I think 42 is Jin (Justin telling Also that he was “one of them”)

    4-Locke
    8-Hurley
    15-Sawyer
    16-Sayid
    23-Shepherd
    42-Kwon

    Just an observation[/quote]
    ****************************************

    Also, Kate could be on the wall. We know that Austen was not her father so technically we don’t know her real last name.[/quote]
    *****************
    I like the idea that it is Jin and that the candidates are men![/quote]
    Littleton, crossed out.

  268. mrs markelz says:

    [quote comment=”370945″][quote comment=”370944″]
    …could be construed as constructive or on topic in ANY way.
    [/quote]

    You see, what I am reading is.

    1) Actor Carbonell appeared to deliver an uncharacteristically poor performance.

    (which is what I had thought too, but no one mentioned it until Bobola)

    2) The writing staff appears to be taking the Reyes and Shephard characters down excessively diversionary paths in their individual storyarcs.

    (which is what I think too)

    3) The writing staff has not incorporated a certain type of intimate adult relationship into the storyline. Maybe they should.

    (too late in the series to effectively incorporate, IMO. But Claire and Kate do have a baby on the way. And they are in California… I’m just sayin’)
    – – – –
    For those so quick to censor another, maybe you should read their inputs again – with fresh eyes.[/quote]
    [quote comment=”370945″][quote comment=”370944″]
    …could be construed as constructive or on topic in ANY way.
    [/quote]

    You see, what I am reading is.

    1) Actor Carbonell appeared to deliver an uncharacteristically poor performance.

    (which is what I had thought too, but no one mentioned it until Bobola)

    2) The writing staff appears to be taking the Reyes and Shephard characters down excessively diversionary paths in their individual storyarcs.

    (which is what I think too)

    3) The writing staff has not incorporated a certain type of intimate adult relationship into the storyline. Maybe they should.

    (too late in the series to effectively incorporate, IMO. But Claire and Kate do have a baby on the way. And they are in California… I’m just sayin’)
    – – – –
    For those so quick to censor another, maybe you should read their inputs again – with fresh eyes.[/quote]
    [quote comment=”370953″][quote comment=”370949″]
    DocH, yow! I meant no offense, nor did I intend to censor anyone’s opinions. I was just passing on some advice. Sorry if it was misinterpreted.[/quote]
    — I am not offended in anyway. There is zero emotion at this keyboard. That is why I interceded.

    Years of experience has taught, you don’t “pass advice” on to Bobola. Especially when you do it “in character” – and it comes off a bit snarky. You concur, or do not concur, with Bobola… to do so otherwise risks unwanted attention, hence the “don’t poke the bear” advisory statement.

    Hint: “You’ve gotta except…” equates to censorship.[/quote]

  269. mrs markelz says:

    [quote comment=”370945″][quote comment=”37094

    1) Actor Carbonell appeared to deliver an uncharacteristically poor performance.

    (which is what I had thought too, but no one mentioned it until Bobola)

    2) The writing staff appears to be taking the Reyes and Shephard characters down excessively diversionary paths in their individual storyarcs.

    (which is what I think too)

    3) The writing staff has not incorporated a certain type of intimate adult relationship into the storyline. Maybe they should.

    (too late in the series to effectively incorporate, IMO. But Claire and Kate do have a baby on the way. And they are in California… I’m just sayin’)
    – – – –
    For those so quick to censor another, maybe you should read their inputs again – with fresh eyes.[/quote]
    [quote comment=”370945″][quote comment=”370944″]
    …could be construed as constructive or on topic in ANY way.
    [/quote]

    You see, what I am reading is.

    1) Actor Carbonell appeared to deliver an uncharacteristically poor performance.

    (which is what I had thought too, but no one mentioned it until Bobola)

    2) The writing staff appears to be taking the Reyes and Shephard characters down excessively diversionary paths in their individual storyarcs.

    (which is what I think too)

    3) The writing staff has not incorporated a certain type of intimate adult relationship into the storyline. Maybe they should.

    (too late in the series to effectively incorporate, IMO. But Claire and Kate do have a baby on the way. And they are in California… I’m just sayin’)
    – – – –
    For those so quick to censor another, maybe you should read their inputs again – with fresh eyes.[/quote]
    [quote comment=”370953″][quote comment=”370949″]
    DocH, yow! I meant no offense, nor did I intend to censor anyone’s opinions. I was just passing on some advice. Sorry if it was misinterpreted.[/quote]
    — I am not offended in anyway. There is zero emotion at this keyboard. That is why I interceded.

    Years of experience has taught, you don’t “pass advice” on to Bobola. Especially when you do it “in character” – and it comes off a bit snarky. You concur, or do not concur, with Bobola… to do so otherwise risks unwanted attention, hence the “don’t poke the bear” advisory statement.

    Hint: “You’ve gotta except…” equates to censorship.[/quote]
    *********** I have been reading but not posting since season 2 and I happen to Love bobala and his insite its refreshing no one say anything bad about him!! He is a fixture here and while I’m off topic sorry I love pj too u go girl

  270. TeamJuliet says:

    Ok, so, again with the religious implications. The boy with the blood on his hands reminded me a lot of Christ’s wounds from when they nailed Him on the cross. That was the prove that He had resurrected. I guess it was the way he was standing and that glow he had that reminded me of that. My guess is that it’s Jacob, but would be cool if it was Aaron.

    Just saying…

  271. LINS says:

    Funny Michael Emerson clip, definitely not spoilerish :)

  272. Murphey says:

    Theory about Jacob and MIB

    MIB claims to have been a man once but is now dead. He could be lying but I believe him. His motivations don’t seem god-like. He hated Jacob and wants to go home.

    Something about the magnetic properties of the island must keep spirits from moving on or simply copy’s them as people die on the island or when dead bodies are brought there.

    It seems some ancient culture like the Egyptians built the temple and donkey wheel. Possibly they discovered the unique properties of the island and figured out a way to ritualistically kill someone and make them into the smoke monster/security system for the island. One could postulate that the technology came from the future or aliens, but I don’t think that fits well with the show.

    Maybe the Whispers are the other spirits watching events unfold. Maybe normal spirits are weak and can only appear to one person at a time and fleetingly, which would explain why MIB was surprised Sawyer saw the boy.

    Jacob I’m guessing was alive until Ben killed him. Apparently the protector must be alive, so if all of the candidates are killed, MIB wins. Although Jacob has seemed omniscient (able to push Losties at just the right moment), maybe he is just a man with abilities like Desmond and sees the future, again through some ancient island ritual.

    I think if MIB wins (gets off the island) by first killing everyone on the island or at least all of the candidates, it will lead to the apocalypse (maybe Valenzetti equation/numbers tie in). The home he seeks is death. Part of the role of the Protector is to keep him there.

    The problem with no higher power is who enforces the rules? Maybe the other spirits on the island can act collectively in some way to enforce the rules? Otherwise we have to accept some honor rule thing?

    Also as I’ve said before I think the flash sideways is the result of the end game just being shown in parallel for dramatic purposes. I think the cut on Jack’s neck will occur in the last battle of the War just before the island is sunk, in the past. It will be Jack as protector against MIB/Flocke. Maybe sinking the island will counteract the magnetic properties that make Smokey and dissolve MIB somehow so there won’t be a need for a protector anymore and this will prevent the apocalypse.

    Sorry this is so long and speculative!

  273. Bobola says:

    [quote comment=”370953″][quote comment=”370949″]

    Years of experience has taught, you don’t “pass advice” on to Bobola.

    [/quote]

    —————

    Well, I aint exactly Stalin but when provoked I will claw back some.
    But I’m not totally immune to advice…gently whispered…ha.
    But what a bombshell; that someone told me it was just a T.V. show! I say baloney. This Blog proves how dear it is to people…how it gets under their skin; it approaches art sometimes…a show I’ve given quite a lot of life over too… and I’m just feeeeelin’ a little guilty bout that. Gotta bitch a little, gotta moan…maybe too envious over those huge writers checks that I SHOULD BE GETTIN cuz I know I could do better…
    Just becuz the show has BEEN so great at times don’t mean I’m gonna sit here with stars in my eyes all the time. If I see people acting totally out of character with how people MOST likely would act in their place..then I feel it’s my place to speak up.

    OK OK OK
    anyone thinkin that I’m 100% serious all the time in ALL my comments should take a breath and count to…well, just keep counting.
    At least I stopped telling Polar Bear jokes a long time ago.

    When the show gets so leaden and serious…it just pushes me into making comments of parody. The show in the past made so many crazy ass weird moves and sometimes strayed in to the Kubrick territory of strangeness…and got me hooked but now it’s fallen to earth. Seems like a retreaded tire that won’t go the distance.
    But I’m DARING the show now; come on…win me back!

    And as for Rose;
    sorry but she just about the most boring character on the show. Zen-like? Sayid or the new Japanese guy are more Zen-like..hell, even Ben (in the past) was more Zen-like…don’t make me start spouting Haiku.
    …and fLocke went past Zen and into the grim grin zone.

    All those years of Sawyer mellowing in the compound…
    and now he’s gone back to acting like a dumb redneck fool. Like a child, he’s buying into the mumbo jumbo fLocke is peddling. Why?
    BUT PLEASE!!!! Don’t bring back Julia and put a pretty little bow on the ending…I love Julia but…NO!
    At some point; dead HAS to be dead.

    And I so wanna see Alana and Alpert make out…just so you don’t think I’m stuck on the Lesbian thang.
    How about this twist? Ben hooks up with Locke’s adoring squeeze at a PTA meeting some time? There’s goota be some use for those knives, eh?

    Larla;
    The expression voiced by detractors;
    (I’m) “so over this show”
    is Lost-Speak for “I need to let off Steam”;
    everyone KNOWs it’s a smokey screen and we will keep watching…all except me of course…uh huh.

    DocH;
    you are wise beyond your years…no matter how old you are. Cheers Mate.

  274. LostJunkie says:

    I re-watched the episode, and I’ve come to the conclusion that Sawyer is setting up MIB/Flocke with a big heaping pile of con. I just don’t think he’d be that callous to take the MIB’s offer to just leave without thinking about the rest of his Losties. This is a man, after all, that sacrificed himself and jumped off of the helicopter once upon a time.

  275. Sherwinator says:

    I find it interesting that even though Man in Black/Nemesis/Esau whatever in the form of Locke is different than Locke normally is, he’s still very similar. I feel like Esau v. Jacob is similar to Locke v. Jack and Locke v. Life in general. “Don’t tell me what I can’t do” was preached by both forms of Locke. Something to think about…

    -Sherwinator

    http://www.whatsgoodblog.com/2010/02/lost-season-6-episode-4-review-recap/

  276. wally p says:

    [quote comment=”370963″]I re-watched the episode, and I’ve come to the conclusion that Sawyer is setting up MIB/Flocke with a big heaping pile of con. I just don’t think he’d be that callous to take the MIB’s offer to just leave without thinking about the rest of his Losties. This is a man, after all, that sacrificed himself and jumped off of the helicopter once upon a time.[/quote]

    I think thats where Sawyers mind is at, but we’ll have to see. It would be great to see Sawyer come out of this with the winning hand, but my guess is that MIB has been conning people for much much longer and has more experience. (whats the MIBs number? 666?)

  277. stranger says:

    So I’ve been thinking…

    Whats the deal about babies? Its been a major plot element. Only one baby has been born on the island in a long time. One was probably conceived, but born off the island.

    It was extremely important for Ben (and Jacob?) to find a cure. Did Smokey cause this to happen, or bring about the events so babies could not be born?

    Now, an ‘infected’ Claire is looking for her child, thinking that the others has it. In actuality, Aaron is on the mainland of USA.

    If it isn’t actually Claire anymore, why is the child so important to find? Is it that she wants to kill the child?
    Or was the whole baby thing just a plot device when the writers couldn’t think of anything else to do? Does the Man In Black (Smokey) want off the island so he can kill the child? Perhaps kill everyone else in the world by bring about a nuclear war, or a plague?

    According to Lostipedia, the numbers are part of an equation that determines when all of humankind dies. The numbers are variables, and the variables are all candidates. Note that Daniel stated the survivors were ‘variables’.

    Is that what Richard meant when he said “He wants EVERYONE dead?”

    Is Smokey going to kill James, use him as some sort of sacrifice as a way to get off the island, as a way to break his bond to the island and escape his island prison? Is this why Smokey was warned by the blond child, “You can’t kill him”. For rules to be rules, there must be consequences to breaking them. Perhaps, if there is no protector and Smokey breaks the rules, the entire island sinks, killing all, including smoky.

    I would think that Jack is most likely to be THE candidate. (Remember the tatoos?) “He walks among us, but is not one of us” Plus, it’s his ‘destiny’.

    I still don’t have a comprehensive theory for whats going on. Just a lot of questions. My guess is, there is going to be a lot of unanswered questions at the end.

  278. stranger says:

    Actually, now that I think of it, perhaps that could be it. Smokey gets off the island, and suddenly all over the world women start dying in childbirth…

    That would be the end of humans.

    Just a thought.

  279. The SATURN Award nominations are out for 2010.

    (Academy of Horror, Fantasy, Sci-Fi……)

    Best Network TV Show

    •”LOST”
    •”Fringe”
    •”Ghost Whisperer”
    •”Heroes”
    •”Chuck”
    •”The Vampire Diaries”

    Best Actor in Television

    •Josh Holloway, “LOST”
    •Matthew Fox, “LOST”
    •Bryan Cranston, “Breaking Bad”
    •Michael C. Hall, “Dexter”
    •Zachary Levi, “Chuck”
    •Stephen Moyer, “True Blood”
    •David Tennant, “Doctor Who: The End of Time”

    Best Actress on Television

    •Evangeline Lilly, “LOST”
    •Anna Torv, “Fringe”
    •Anna Gunn, “Breaking Bad”
    •Jennifer Love Hewitt, “Ghost Whisperer”
    •Anna Paquin, “True Blood”
    •Kyra Sedgwick, “The Closer”

    Best Supporting Actor on Television

    •Jeremy Davies, “LOST”
    •Michael Emerson, “LOST”
    •John Noble, “Fringe”
    •Aldis Hodge, “Leverage”
    •Aaron Paul, “Breaking Bad”
    •Alexander Skarsgard, “True Blood”

    Best Supporting Actress in Television

    •Elizabeth Mitchell, “LOST”
    •Morena Baccarin, “V”
    •Gina Bellman, “Leverage”
    •Julie Benz, “Dexter”
    •Jennifer Carpenter, “Dexter”
    •Hayden Panettiere, “Heroes”

    Best Guest Starring Role – Television

    •Mark Pellegrino, “LOST” (Jacob)
    •Leonard Nimoy, “Fringe”
    •Raymond Cruz, “Breaking Bad”
    •Michelle Forbes, “True Blood”
    •John Lithgow, “Dexter”
    •Bernard Cribbins, “Doctor Who: The End of Time”

  280. Amber says:

    So wow it took me a really long time to figure out where everyone was posting. Last season there was a place to click on that said recentley commented. I didnt realize you had to click on the title above the picture. All that to say that I was freaking out and didnt know were to go to find what everyone was writting I love everyones theories and ideas! Also I really want Jacob and the MIB to be in there own bodys they were both pretty hot! Also I feel like with all the new people they added and all the crazyness of time travel I feel like some of the things from the begining that we wanted to know some of the mysteries are being forgotten and not talked about you know just some of the “little things” anyone else feel that way?

  281. Amber says:

    Also Im thinking that in the end the MIB might be the good guy and that jacob is holding him there. the poor guy really did seem convincing when he said all he wanted was to go home.

  282. Amber says:

    Have these temple people been there the whole time? and why is Cindy with them? was she not with Ben and the “others” has she been with the temple people the whole time? Did been know all this time that somewhere else on the island there was this big temple with people living in it????

  283. Skate says:

    [quote comment=”370962″][quote comment=”370953″][quote comment=”370949″]

    Years of experience has taught, you don’t “pass advice” on to Bobola.

    [/quote]

    —————

    Well, I aint exactly Stalin but when provoked I will claw back some.
    But I’m not totally immune to advice…gently whispered…ha.
    But what a bombshell; that someone told me it was just a T.V. show! I say baloney. This Blog proves how dear it is to people…how it gets under their skin; it approaches art sometimes…a show I’ve given quite a lot of life over too… and I’m just feeeeelin’ a little guilty bout that. Gotta bitch a little, gotta moan…maybe too envious over those huge writers checks that I SHOULD BE GETTIN cuz I know I could do better…
    Just becuz the show has BEEN so great at times don’t mean I’m gonna sit here with stars in my eyes all the time. If I see people acting totally out of character with how people MOST likely would act in their place..then I feel it’s my place to speak up.

    OK OK OK
    anyone thinkin that I’m 100% serious all the time in ALL my comments should take a breath and count to…well, just keep counting.
    At least I stopped telling Polar Bear jokes a long time ago.

    When the show gets so leaden and serious…it just pushes me into making comments of parody. The show in the past made so many crazy ass weird moves and sometimes strayed in to the Kubrick territory of strangeness…and got me hooked but now it’s fallen to earth. Seems like a retreaded tire that won’t go the distance.
    But I’m DARING the show now; come on…win me back!

    And as for Rose;
    sorry but she just about the most boring character on the show. Zen-like? Sayid or the new Japanese guy are more Zen-like..hell, even Ben (in the past) was more Zen-like…don’t make me start spouting Haiku.
    …and fLocke went past Zen and into the grim grin zone.

    All those years of Sawyer mellowing in the compound…
    and now he’s gone back to acting like a dumb redneck fool. Like a child, he’s buying into the mumbo jumbo fLocke is peddling. Why?
    BUT PLEASE!!!! Don’t bring back Julia and put a pretty little bow on the ending…I love Julia but…NO!
    At some point; dead HAS to be dead.

    And I so wanna see Alana and Alpert make out…just so you don’t think I’m stuck on the Lesbian thang.
    How about this twist? Ben hooks up with Locke’s adoring squeeze at a PTA meeting some time? There’s goota be some use for those knives, eh?

    Larla;
    The expression voiced by detractors;
    (I’m) “so over this show”
    is Lost-Speak for “I need to let off Steam”;
    everyone KNOWs it’s a smokey screen and we will keep watching…all except me of course…uh huh.

    DocH;
    you are wise beyond your years…no matter how old you are. Cheers Mate.[/quote]

    Bobola,
    I talk to a lot of people who have given up on the show over the years, not saying you have, but you certainly are not the only one who has gotten frustrated. I just read an article that address this. Although it talks about this season, with quotes from Cuse and Lindelof, there are no spoilers in their comments….

    From EW magazine—
    “remember, we are only 4 hours into this 18-hour season. And in case you hadn’t noticed, LOST tends to end with a wow and not an ow. “All we can say is, Be patient” says Lindelof. “You’ve come with us this far. Maybe we haven’t earned your trust, but whether you like it or not, you’re in the car and we’re driving. You have to basically trust us not to go off the road.” Adds Cuse, “If you’re feeling sick, roll the window down and throw up. But don’t get out of the car”

  284. Jaime says:

    [quote comment=”370955″][quote comment=”370954″][quote comment=”370951″][quote comment=”370950″]I looked before posting but could not find this mentioned (sorry if it was)

    All of the candidates w/numbers on the wall are associated with men. IMHO I think 42 is Jin (Justin telling Also that he was “one of them”)

    4-Locke
    8-Hurley
    15-Sawyer
    16-Sayid
    23-Shepherd
    42-Kwon

    Just an observation[/quote]
    ****************************************

    Also, Kate could be on the wall. We know that Austen was not her father so technically we don’t know her real last name.[/quote]
    *****************
    I like the idea that it is Jin and that the candidates are men![/quote]
    Littleton, crossed out.[/quote]
    ****************************************

    The numbered candidates

  285. John Locke says:

    Why did Ben Kill me…I was gonna kill myself…pleeeeeeeaaaase dont leave that left unfolded

    Did you like how I made the ladder break…then the rope…then “I” wouldnt be killing Sawyer (a canidate)…but he didnt fall…so i figured…what the heck…ill save his life…gain his confidence…then tell him what he wants to know…thats how I recruit…only thing is…I lied…its not Jacobs cave and he doesnt have a thing with numbers…its my cave…my numbers list…and im crossin off everyone I kill…now thats there is no Jacob…the names stop…the canidates stop…and when I kill all of you…I get to go to the real world…the big show…HOME…..and im gonna F#@K $#it up

  286. Bacon Is My Constant says:

    [quote comment=”370972″]Have these temple people been there the whole time? and why is Cindy with them? was she not with Ben and the “others” has she been with the temple people the whole time? Did been know all this time that somewhere else on the island there was this big temple with people living in it????[/quote]

    we’ve known about the temple since the episode “the other woman”. (if not sooner.)
    juliet sees goodwin’s exwife in the rain and tells her she’s heading to the temple with everyone else; that’s where they went when they evacuated the barracks.

  287. Kathy P says:

    When Sawyer asked Flocke if he had heard of “Of mice and Men” Flocke said no it was a little after his time. That book came out in 1937. So is he saying he did not read books after his time? And what time is that. After he got to the island? After he died? Am I reading to much into that statement?

  288. litttle prince says:

    i thought it was a little convienient when sawyer and flocke were going down the ladder that flocke saved his life…lookslike hes tryin to win over his confidence…also i think that flocke has a thing with numbers..not jacob…thats flockes cave and hes crossin off all the dudes on jacobs list..once they areall dead…he gets to go home..to the real world…and probly start the apocolypse

  289. londonboy says:

    I mentioned the list in last week’s thread and no-one responded. That’s not me being smug, I had no idea it would/might come up this week. At the time I mentioned that Mikhail inferred that Locke wasn’t on the list, and couldn’t remember if Locke, Sayid or Clare were on it (the ‘infected’ and the MIB). All I remembered was that Shepherd (Jack or Christian) wasn’t on the list, but as others have pointed out the reference at the time and here seemed to be Jack.

    Speaking of which, was this the first time Lost has used a flashback (touchy-feely Jacob) as a reminder? I doubt it means anything, but interesting from a story point of view. And the lack of a Kate reference, either in the cave etchings or flashbacks, has to be relevant. Especially considering Flocke was making these points to Sawyer, who’s has a fair bit of previous with Kate.

    As regards the numbers, was is relevant that this was one of the first times we’ve seen numbers that aren’t The Numbers? It just makes me wonder why there’s such a big gap between the likes of Locke and Hurley and Charlie, Charlotte and Clare. And whether, if Locke’s number 4, if there’s a 3, 2, and 1. Plus, is it relevant that these number seem to be counting down rather than the other way around?

    And while I normally am in accordance with much of Toeknee’s comments (also Hammer and PJ Sander’s), I do think that’s blood with the (vision of the) boy. More than that, it seems significant that his hands are in such a peculiar pose.

    Anyway, great ep, great comments, Lost wouldn’t be the same without this forum (for me, at least).

  290. PJSander says:

    [quote comment=”370979″]I do think that’s blood with the (vision of the) boy. More than that, it seems significant that his hands are in such a peculiar pose.[/quote]

    You are right. It is blood. The first two screencaps I posted were of the second and third times that Locke sees the boy. I later posted a screencap of the FIRST time and it *is* blood.

    Jorge Garcia confirmed that *in the script* it says the boy is seen covered in blood the first time, and later is not.

    HTH,
    : ) P

  291. Duke says:

    [quote comment=”370867″][quote comment=”370780″]no idea what’s gong on ! why is Ben a teacher in the alternate reality when he would have been on the island regardless of flight 815????

    still can’t stand Ilana. Also can’t deal with Locke’s lady friend.

    obviously going to stick it out, but beginning to think (though I really, really don’t want to) that LOST has lost that loving feeling. Remember anticipating for Desmond and Penny to reunite? Now with Jin & Sun, I’m like let’s get it on already, so anticlimactic!

    Richard has turned into quite the puss too….[/quote]

    OMG-how could i diss Peggy Bundy? here’s what i notice the 2nd time around- “why don’t we get my parents & your dad & just do this (get married)?” says Peggy Bundy to wheel-chair bound Locke. NOw why in hell would JL invite his father to the wedding?[/quote]
    Locke also had a picture of him and his father in his office cubicle. I think it is safe to assume that his father was not the cause of him being in a wheelchair this time around. To speculate even further his father probably wasn’t involved in the Sawyer con that left his mother and father dead if that even happened in the new 2004.

  292. Duke says:

    [quote comment=”370879″]On another note, the title of the episode was “The Substitute”. Possible meanings?
    1. Obviously, we saw Locke working as a substitute.
    2. Flocke is now a “substitute” for MIB?
    3. Sawyer as a possible substitute for Jacob?[/quote]
    Locke was a substitute teacher as well.

  293. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment=”370810″]What a much better episode than last week!

    I’m thinking the kid Flocke/MIB sees is a young Jacob. He looks like Jacob, and when he talked about the rules, it just reminded me of their conversation at the end of Season 5. My only question is, why can Sawyer see him, when Richard couldn’t? Or, actually, maybe Richard was just never in view of him; I guess I’d have to watch that again. But definitely interesting that Sawyer can see the kid.

    As for when Ilana talks about the MIB having to keep Locke’s form now, I was thinking that as soon as they bury the “real” dead Locke, something had to change.

    Sawyer could also see Kate’s horse. I think he is the only one seeing other peoples apparations. I don’t count Christian because I think he is something different.

    Ilana said MIB was studk as Locke before they burried him so that can’t be the reason.

  294. Circus Mom says:

    Perhaps it is as simple as MIB is stuck as Locke because he entered the temple in that form.

  295. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment=”370981″][quote comment=”370979″]I do think that’s blood with the (vision of the) boy. More than that, it seems significant that his hands are in such a peculiar pose.[/quote]

    You are right. It is blood. The first two screencaps I posted were of the second and third times that Locke sees the boy. I later posted a screencap of the FIRST time and it *is* blood.

    Jorge Garcia confirmed that *in the script* it says the boy is seen covered in blood the first time, and later is not.

    HTH,
    : ) P[/quote]
    Thanks for that info from Jorge, PJ. I hereby rescind my wacky idea that it wasn’t blood.

  296. aonghus fallon says:

    I heard Cuse had confirmed that Flocke/MIB was the Smoke Monster on the Kimmel show and had to check it out, as I reckoned all this stuff about Flocke being the Smoke Monster was typical misdirection on the part of him and Lindeloff – I still stand by my original theory. What he actually does say is very interesting and a worthwhile clue in its own right.

    He says that John Locke is the Smoke Monster.

    Consider what we’ve been told.

    (1) Locke is the smoke monster.
    (2) Flocke is not Locke.
    (3) Ergo Flocke isn’t the Smoke Monster.
    (4) Locke is dead.

    Now I’ve always argued that the Smoke Monster is a security system, nothing more. Well we know that isn’t true. Not entirely. The smoke monster is comprised of anybody who has died on the island. I’m sure that this idea has been mooted before, but it’s interesting nonetheless. It would also explain why the Smoke Monster has multiple voices (the ‘whisperers’) and it’s also consistent with a book Cuse and Lindeloff reffed before – ie. ‘the third policeman’.

    This is a good book and well worth reading. A character finds himself in a limbo patrolled by three policemen. Two work from a barracks (they are two very different characters as well: chalk and cheese) while the third is always out and about, constantly on patrol. When the central character finally meets this ‘third policeman’, it has the head of a man he killed.

    Just my two cents’ worth.

  297. sector7 says:

    [quote comment=”370976″][quote comment=”370972″]Have these temple people been there the whole time? and why is Cindy with them? was she not with Ben and the “others” has she been with the temple people the whole time? Did been know all this time that somewhere else on the island there was this big temple with people living in it????[/quote]

    we’ve known about the temple since the episode “the other woman”. (if not sooner.)
    juliet sees goodwin’s exwife in the rain and tells her she’s heading to the temple with everyone else; that’s where they went when they evacuated the barracks.[/quote]
    ___________________________________
    It was sooner. First mention of the temple was the season 3 finale “Through The Looking Glass”. That was when Cindy and a large group of others were headed there.

  298. sector7 says:

    [quote comment=”370977″]When Sawyer asked Flocke if he had heard of “Of mice and Men” Flocke said no it was a little after his time. That book came out in 1937. So is he saying he did not read books after his time? And what time is that. After he got to the island? After he died? Am I reading to much into that statement?[/quote]
    ___________________________________
    He was on the island before the Black Rock got there, which was clearly before 1937. Apparently that book isn’t on the island.

  299. sector7 says:

    [quote comment=”370986″]Perhaps it is as simple as MIB is stuck as Locke because he entered the temple in that form.[/quote]
    _____________________________
    But how would Ilanna know that?

  300. Whoever says:

    [quote comment=”370992″][quote comment=”370986″]Perhaps it is as simple as MIB is stuck as Locke because he entered the temple in that form.[/quote]
    _____________________________
    But how would Ilanna know that?[/quote]
    Ilanna knows what the rules are, or so it seems. She knows what a candidate is and she knew Jacob when he came to her. She knew what lies in the shadow of the statue.

    Given all that, she shouldn’t have beleived Ben when he told her that Locke killed Jacob, since she knew it was really MIB. Of course, we don’t know that she did beleive him.

  301. RGS says:

    [quote comment=”370989″] I heard Cuse had confirmed that Flocke/MIB was the Smoke Monster on the Kimmel show and had to check it out, as I reckoned all this stuff about Flocke being the Smoke Monster was typical misdirection on the part of him and Lindeloff – I still stand by my original theory. What he actually does say is very interesting and a worthwhile clue in its own right.

    He says that John Locke is the Smoke Monster.

    Consider what we’ve been told.

    (1) Locke is the smoke monster.
    (2) Flocke is not Locke.
    (3) Ergo Flocke isn’t the Smoke Monster.
    (4) Locke is dead.

    Just my two cents’ worth.[/quote]

    I watched the clip and I think that particular comment you reference was just a case of Cuse not being careful with his wording in that phrase, and/or mixing up Damon’s comment, with Carlton’s.

    Cuse says in the clip that Locke reveals ‘in the show’ that he is the Smoke Monster. Flocke says ‘in the show’ “I’m sorry you had to see me like that.” We also see Smokey floating through the jungle and transforming back into Locke/Flocke when he picks up the machete to cut Richard down.

    So it seems that in that interview, Damon was trying to convey that the real Locke is dead, therefore he is not possessed. That is why he pauses before answering.

    Cuse on the otherhand was not as selective with his word choice.

  302. RGS says:

    [quote comment=”370993″]
    Ilanna knows what the rules are, or so it seems. She knows what a candidate is and she knew Jacob when he came to her. She knew what lies in the shadow of the statue.

    Given all that, she shouldn’t have beleived Ben when he told her that Locke killed Jacob, since she knew it was really MIB. Of course, we don’t know that she did beleive him.[/quote]

    I was thinking that when watching that too. By the same token, she should’ve known that bullets would not kill “it.” She knew that Locke was “it” when they were carrying the body.

  303. sector7 says:

    [quote comment=”370993″][quote comment=”370992″][quote comment=”370986″]Perhaps it is as simple as MIB is stuck as Locke because he entered the temple in that form.[/quote]
    _____________________________
    But how would Ilanna know that?[/quote]
    Ilanna knows what the rules are, or so it seems. She knows what a candidate is and she knew Jacob when he came to her. She knew what lies in the shadow of the statue.

    Given all that, she shouldn’t have beleived Ben when he told her that Locke killed Jacob, since she knew it was really MIB. Of course, we don’t know that she did beleive him.[/quote]
    _______________________
    Sorry, I meant: How would Ilanna know that UnLocke entered the temple in Locke form? She never saw or heard about that. And technically he never entered the temple structure – only the gate area and an area below the temple grounds.

  304. Whoever says:

    [quote comment=”370999″][quote comment=”370993″][quote comment=”370992″][quote comment=”370986″]Perhaps it is as simple as MIB is stuck as Locke because he entered the temple in that form.[/quote]
    _____________________________
    But how would Ilanna know that?[/quote]
    Ilanna knows what the rules are, or so it seems. She knows what a candidate is and she knew Jacob when he came to her. She knew what lies in the shadow of the statue.

    Given all that, she shouldn’t have beleived Ben when he told her that Locke killed Jacob, since she knew it was really MIB. Of course, we don’t know that she did beleive him.[/quote]
    _______________________
    Sorry, I meant: How would Ilanna know that UnLocke entered the temple in Locke form? She never saw or heard about that. And technically he never entered the temple structure – only the gate area and an area below the temple grounds.[/quote]
    I had actually meant he entered the foot. She knew he went in there because she saw him come out.
    RGS is correct, she should have known bulletts would not hurt him, but she didn’t go in. Braham and the others went in and they might not have known as much as her.

  305. mrs markelz says:

    [quote comment=”371000″][quote comment=”370999″][quote comment=”370993″][quote comment=”370992″][quote comment=”370986″]Perhaps it is as simple as MIB is stuck as Locke because he entered the temple in that form.[/quote]
    _____________________________
    But how would Ilanna know that?[/quote]
    Ilanna knows what the rules are, or so it seems. She knows what a candidate is and she knew Jacob when he came to her. She knew what lies in the shadow of the statue.

    Given all that, she shouldn’t have beleived Ben when he told her that Locke killed Jacob, since she knew it was really MIB. Of course, we don’t know that she did beleive him.[/quote]
    _______________________
    Sorry, I meant: How would Ilanna know that UnLocke entered the temple in Locke form? She never saw or heard about that. And technically he never entered the temple structure – only the gate area and an area below the temple grounds.[/quote]
    I had actually meant he entered the foot. She knew he went in there because she saw him come out.
    RGS is correct, she should have known bulletts would not hurt him, but she didn’t go in. Braham and the others went in and they might not have known as much as her.[/quote]*****************************
    So as I stated before who is illana? Why does she know so much more than everyone else more than Ben and he is the leader. I do think she was Jacob before Jacob

  306. gmtaleah says:

    at what point did smokey take over locke,s body?

  307. gmtaleah says:

    [quote comment=”370981″][quote comment=”370979″]I do think that’s blood with the (vision of the) boy. More than that, it seems significant that his hands are in such a peculiar pose.[/quote]

    You are right. It is blood. The first two screencaps I posted were of the second and third times that Locke sees the boy. I later posted a screencap of the FIRST time and it *is* blood.

    Jorge Garcia confirmed that *in the script* it says the boy is seen covered in blood the first time, and later is not.

    HTH,
    : ) P[/quote]
    ///////////////
    This pose reminded me of walts pose ,infact the whole scene reminded me of walt in the bushes when he appeared to shannon….speaking of shannon,where was she on the flight ?She did return with boone .

  308. Whoever says:

    [quote comment=”371003″][quote comment=”370981″][quote comment=”370979″]I do think that’s blood with the (vision of the) boy. More than that, it seems significant that his hands are in such a peculiar pose.[/quote]

    You are right. It is blood. The first two screencaps I posted were of the second and third times that Locke sees the boy. I later posted a screencap of the FIRST time and it *is* blood.

    Jorge Garcia confirmed that *in the script* it says the boy is seen covered in blood the first time, and later is not.

    HTH,
    : ) P[/quote]
    ///////////////
    This pose reminded me of walts pose ,infact the whole scene reminded me of walt in the bushes when he appeared to shannon….speaking of shannon,where was she on the flight ?She did return with boone .[/quote]
    Boone explained to Locke on the flight that Shannon didn’t come back with him from Sydney.

  309. Whoever says:

    [quote comment=”371001″][quote comment=”371000″][quote comment=”370999″][quote comment=”370993″][quote comment=”370992″][quote comment=”370986″]Perhaps it is as simple as MIB is stuck as Locke because he entered the temple in that form.[/quote]
    _____________________________
    But how would Ilanna know that?[/quote]
    Ilanna knows what the rules are, or so it seems. She knows what a candidate is and she knew Jacob when he came to her. She knew what lies in the shadow of the statue.

    Given all that, she shouldn’t have beleived Ben when he told her that Locke killed Jacob, since she knew it was really MIB. Of course, we don’t know that she did beleive him.[/quote]
    _______________________
    Sorry, I meant: How would Ilanna know that UnLocke entered the temple in Locke form? She never saw or heard about that. And technically he never entered the temple structure – only the gate area and an area below the temple grounds.[/quote]
    I had actually meant he entered the foot. She knew he went in there because she saw him come out.
    RGS is correct, she should have known bulletts would not hurt him, but she didn’t go in. Braham and the others went in and they might not have known as much as her.[/quote]*****************************
    So as I stated before who is illana? Why does she know so much more than everyone else more than Ben and he is the leader. I do think she was Jacob before Jacob[/quote]
    Ben is no longer the leader. He hasn’t been since he moved the island. They thought Locke was supposed to be the leader but that is because Locke told Richard in 195? that Richard had told him he would be the next leader. I think that was a mistake all along, caused by the time loop.
    I don’t beleive Illana was ever Jacob. She and her group were brought in to be his bodyguards.

  310. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”371002″]at what point did smokey take over locke,s body?[/quote]
    Smokey took on Locke’s ‘likeness’ in the episode where Aljira landed on Hydra. He never took over Locke’s body.

  311. gmtaleah says:

    [quote comment=”371004″][quote comment=”371003″][quote comment=”370981″][quote comment=”370979″]I do think that’s blood with the (vision of the) boy. More than that, it seems significant that his hands are in such a peculiar pose.[/quote]

    You are right. It is blood. The first two screencaps I posted were of the second and third times that Locke sees the boy. I later posted a screencap of the FIRST time and it *is* blood.

    Jorge Garcia confirmed that *in the script* it says the boy is seen covered in blood the first time, and later is not.

    HTH,
    : ) P[/quote]
    ///////////////
    This pose reminded me of walts pose ,infact the whole scene reminded me of walt in the bushes when he appeared to shannon….speaking of shannon,where was she on the flight ?She did return with boone .[/quote]
    Boone explained to Locke on the flight that Shannon didn’t come back with him from Sydney.[/quote]
    ///////////////
    yes I too watched and heard what boone said . How come she is not on the plane ? ana lucia ,micheal ,walt,is not on there or libby ? you cant have a ‘what would happen if we didnt crash on the island scenario’without previous cast members. Im begining to lose heart with lost ,even though some scenes were heart warming and in lost fashion most seems strung together ,From the start of this season im struggleing to get settled.I hate to say it but lost is losing my attention.I did say I wasnt going to post on here either to lag behind three days . Nothings changed .

  312. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”371007″][quote comment=”371004″][quote comment=”371003″][quote comment=”370981″][quote comment=”370979″][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote]
    you cant have a ‘what would happen if we didnt crash on the island scenario’without previous cast members.[/quote]
    A couple thoughts:

    What if they just haven’t shown us yet that THOSE characters were on the plane?

    What if the incident changed their lives enough that THOSE folks didn’t go to Australia, but they will cross paths with other characters in a different way?

    I feel Shannon not being on the flight sets up WHH/course correction perfectly. She died on the island, I bet dies in Australia on or around the same date she died on the island…I bet Locke does off island on or around the same date Ben killed him, Libby, Michael, Juliette, Artz, etc. (Though if I am correct, they won’t be able to show all of the deaths.)

  313. PJSander says:

    [quote comment=”371007″]
    yes I too watched and heard what boone said . How come she is not on the plane ? ana lucia ,micheal ,walt,is not on there or libby ? you cant have a ‘what would happen if we didnt crash on the island scenario’without previous cast members.[/quote]

    The detonation in 1977 changed more than just the fact that Desmond didn’t have to push a button. It would have affected lots of things in small ways and other things in large ways. Perhaps Widmore never left the island, which means Penny was never born; which means that Desmond never fell in love with her; which is how he ended up on that plane.

    Furthermore, we never saw Ana Lucia or Libby or Mr. Eko (or Nikki or Paulo) or Bernard ON THE PLANE the FIRST time around. Doesn’t mean they weren’t on the plane.

    : ) P

  314. Duke says:

    [quote comment=”370997″][quote comment=”370989″] I heard Cuse had confirmed that Flocke/MIB was the Smoke Monster on the Kimmel show and had to check it out, as I reckoned all this stuff about Flocke being the Smoke Monster was typical misdirection on the part of him and Lindeloff – I still stand by my original theory. What he actually does say is very interesting and a worthwhile clue in its own right.

    He says that John Locke is the Smoke Monster.

    Consider what we’ve been told.

    (1) Locke is the smoke monster.
    (2) Flocke is not Locke.
    (3) Ergo Flocke isn’t the Smoke Monster.
    (4) Locke is dead.

    Just my two cents’ worth.[/quote]

    I watched the clip and I think that particular comment you reference was just a case of Cuse not being careful with his wording in that phrase, and/or mixing up Damon’s comment, with Carlton’s.

    Cuse says in the clip that Locke reveals ‘in the show’ that he is the Smoke Monster. Flocke says ‘in the show’ “I’m sorry you had to see me like that.” We also see Smokey floating through the jungle and transforming back into Locke/Flocke when he picks up the machete to cut Richard down.

    So it seems that in that interview, Damon was trying to convey that the real Locke is dead, therefore he is not possessed. That is why he pauses before answering.

    Cuse on the otherhand was not as selective with his word choice.[/quote]
    Also in the entertainment weekly article that cam eout before the premiere it definitivly states that John Locke is dead and says something about being sorry that they are being so blunt about it.

  315. Duke says:

    [quote comment=”371006″][quote comment=”371002″]at what point did smokey take over locke,s body?[/quote]
    Smokey took on Locke’s ‘likeness’ in the episode where Aljira landed on Hydra. He never took over Locke’s body.[/quote]
    Season 5 episode entitled 316.

  316. londonboy says:

    Thanks for the Jorge Garcia clarification PJ. I didn’t catch gmta leah’s comparison with Walt, but I did think it looked particularly religious/iconic with the palms facing forward.

    As for Flocke being a representation of Locke rather than taking over Lock’s body, it’s still interesting that Flocke was able to tell Ben what Locke’s last thoughts as Ben strangled him were. That’s to say, it’s not just a likeness, he knows his memories too.

    Perhaps Flocke not being able to change bodies is relevant in that it will be impossible for him not to become more like Locke now.

  317. Guttahman says:

    Am I the only person finding it a little strange that so many people are now just starting to “lose their faith in LOST”? After 6 years of watching and commmenting and applauding and complaining, you people are just now at your wits end? And Im not just talking about people here, i love you guys, but at other blog sites as well. I just dont understand it, we’ve come so far with this show and these characters why give up now? I understand that so many people have their own personal questions to be answered, but this is the final season, there not going to be able to answer everything…honestly, who cares about Shannon, her part in this show is so insignificant that to focus on her or Nikki and Paolo, or anyone else whos been in the show for 30 minutes, would be a waste of the last 12 hours we have left of LOST. Their trying to squeeze so much out of the last 18 hours of the show, there not going to be able to cover everything, so why not focus on the important things…Darlton even said they are not covering everything, there not answering every single question and some people are going to be pissed off, such is life…lets just be patient and appreciative that this show has been able to capture our hearts and imaginations for this long and that it wasnt canceled 3 years ago, because then we wouldnt know jack….Shepard that is!! LOL

    Sorry about my ranting!

  318. Miraks says:

    [quote comment=”371010″][quote comment=”371007″]
    yes I too watched and heard what boone said . How come she is not on the plane ? ana lucia ,micheal ,walt,is not on there or libby ? you cant have a ‘what would happen if we didnt crash on the island scenario’without previous cast members.[/quote]

    The detonation in 1977 changed more than just the fact that Desmond didn’t have to push a button. It would have affected lots of things in small ways and other things in large ways. Perhaps Widmore never left the island, which means Penny was never born; which means that Desmond never fell in love with her; which is how he ended up on that plane.

    Furthermore, we never saw Ana Lucia or Libby or Mr. Eko (or Nikki or Paulo) or Bernard ON THE PLANE the FIRST time around. Doesn’t mean they weren’t on the plane.

    : ) P[/quote]

    Well, Desmond did have Penny’s picture on the plane in the “new” time.

  319. PJSander says:

    [quote comment=”371015″]Well, Desmond did have Penny’s picture on the plane in the “new” time.[/quote]

    He did? I totally missed that. Off to go check the screencaps!

    : ) P

  320. PJSander says:

    [quote comment=”371016″][quote comment=”371015″]Well, Desmond did have Penny’s picture on the plane in the “new” time.[/quote]

    He did? I totally missed that. Off to go check the screencaps!

    : ) P[/quote]

    Was Desmond in more than one scene in LA X? I only remember him in the scene where he is sitting in Jack’s row at the beginning. I looked through all the screencaps I could find and do not see him with a photo.

    : ) P

  321. Guttahman says:

    [quote comment=”371017″][quote comment=”371016″][quote comment=”371015″]Well, Desmond did have Penny’s picture on the plane in the “new” time.[/quote]

    He did? I totally missed that. Off to go check the screencaps!

    : ) P[/quote]

    Was Desmond in more than one scene in LA X? I only remember him in the scene where he is sitting in Jack’s row at the beginning. I looked through all the screencaps I could find and do not see him with a photo.

    : ) P[/quote]

    He was only in that one scene, and your right PJ, i dont remember seeing him with a picture either….I believe when Jack came back from “helping” charlie Des was gone, thats when Jack asked Rose if she seen Des.

  322. Jaime says:

    [quote comment=”370987″][quote comment=”370981″][quote comment=”370979″]I do think that’s blood with the (vision of the) boy. More than that, it seems significant that his hands are in such a peculiar pose.[/quote]

    You are right. It is blood. The first two screencaps I posted were of the second and third times that Locke sees the boy. I later posted a screencap of the FIRST time and it *is* blood.

    Jorge Garcia confirmed that *in the script* it says the boy is seen covered in blood the first time, and later is not.

    HTH,
    : ) P[/quote]
    Thanks for that info from Jorge, PJ. I hereby rescind my wacky idea that it wasn’t blood.[/quote]
    ***************************

    the casting call describes him to be: “Teenage boy, caucasian, 12-14. Dirty blond hair. Wise beyond his years. He’s got intense, searching eyes. He’s dealt with a horrible family accident. Even at a young age, he has been put in charge of something very important, and it weighs heavily on his shoulders.”[1]

    Granted casting calls are never quite what they make them out to be but maybe the “horrible family accident” will be why he has blood on his hands.

  323. Freddy Mercury says:

    [quote comment=”371019″][quote comment=”370987″][quote comment=”370981″][quote comment=”370979″]I do think that’s blood with the (vision of the) boy. More than that, it seems significant that his hands are in such a peculiar pose.[/quote]

    You are right. It is blood. The first two screencaps I posted were of the second and third times that Locke sees the boy. I later posted a screencap of the FIRST time and it *is* blood.

    Jorge Garcia confirmed that *in the script* it says the boy is seen covered in blood the first time, and later is not.

    HTH,
    : ) P[/quote]
    Thanks for that info from Jorge, PJ. I hereby rescind my wacky idea that it wasn’t blood.[/quote]
    ***************************

    the casting call describes him to be: “Teenage boy, caucasian, 12-14. Dirty blond hair. Wise beyond his years. He’s got intense, searching eyes. He’s dealt with a horrible family accident. Even at a young age, he has been put in charge of something very important, and it weighs heavily on his shoulders.”[1]

    Granted casting calls are never quite what they make them out to be but maybe the “horrible family accident” will be why he has blood on his hands.[/quote]

    dude/dudette TMI your probably violating the spoliers rule, but wouldnt that be a GREAT back-story for JACOB?????

    sweet

  324. Aggie Mo says:

    _____________________________
    But how would Ilanna know that?[/quote]
    Ilanna knows what the rules are, or so it seems. She knows what a candidate is and she knew Jacob when he came to her. She knew what lies in the shadow of the statue.

    Given all that, she shouldn’t have beleived Ben when he told her that Locke killed Jacob, since she knew it was really MIB. Of course, we don’t know that she did beleive him.[/quote]
    _______________________
    Sorry, I meant: How would Ilanna know that UnLocke entered the temple in Locke form? She never saw or heard about that. And technically he never entered the temple structure – only the gate area and an area below the temple grounds.[/quote]
    I had actually meant he entered the foot. She knew he went in there because she saw him come out.
    RGS is correct, she should have known bulletts would not hurt him, but she didn’t go in. Braham and the others went in and they might not have known as much as her.[/quote]*****************************
    So as I stated before who is illana? Why does she know so much more than everyone else more than Ben and he is the leader. I do think she was Jacob before Jacob[/quote]
    Ben is no longer the leader. He hasn’t been since he moved the island. They thought Locke was supposed to be the leader but that is because Locke told Richard in 195? that Richard had told him he would be the next leader. I think that was a mistake all along, caused by the time loop.
    I don’t beleive Illana was ever Jacob. She and her group were brought in to be his bodyguards.[/quote]

    Has anyone gone back and re-watched the episode where Richard goes back in time and interviews young John Locke? Remember he asked “which item is yours”, and was disappointed by the response. This may be interesting to watch again after knowing that Smokey monster/MIB takes the form of Locke now.

    Also interesting in that back episode — remember how little John Locke had a picture of a column of smoke attacking a person on the wall when Richard came to visit him. Interesting …

    I think we will learn more about John’s background, and maybe he was chosen by MIB long ago for this purpose he is using him.

  325. Anne Marie says:

    Guys, I’ve been thinking about that little boy with blonde hair and how he said that Flocke (fake locke) broke the rules, and came up with a theory. When Jacob said “they’re coming” they weren’t really coming. So I think that Jacob said that to hasten Flocke’s victory.

    Jacob wasn’t all the way dead when Flocke pushed him into the fire therefore wouldn’t it be Flocke that killed Jacob, not Ben who just stabbed him not actually ‘killed’ him?

  326. Bobola says:

    Well, seems I’m just a wee bit ahead of the papers here;
    Today’s San Francisco Chronicle has a well written article article about how many people are getting fed up with the LOST inability to sustain interest OR give enuf answers to the myriad of questions. The writer himself though, is staying with it.
    I’m just clinging by my fingernails to a vine myself.

    Maybe off topic but I was just thinking this week of some of the highlights I loved so much;

    Ekko! What a great actor and his back story …wow.
    But I’m guessing we don’t see him again as he’s (the actor) doing other movies rather than they actually don’t want/need him.
    But damn; why was he killed by Smokey?
    I so wanted Ekko to bop Charlie over the head with that guitar.,,,over and over.

    Will Ben ever rise to his high point of creepiness again? That self satisfied smirk on his face that you just want to slap off! I haven’t hated a TV guy like him since Dr. Smith in LOST in Space.
    There are just some people who, if you were trapped in a Raft with enuf water for just the TWO of you…and there ARE 2 of you…that you’d have to kill the other person just to get your fair share. Maybe this sounds un-PC, but it’s a fact. Ben is probably that guy. (ok…veering wildly off topic…sue me).

    And Widmore; please…tell us why he was so into obtaining the item at action that had to do with the Slave ship. (It’s bugging me.)

    Is Sun ever going to see her baby again and twist her ugly father’s balls some more (fun). I want more tough action with her.
    My prediction; the show will have them meet again and they will not speak Koran anymore now that Jin speaka da English now…I love that they had subtitles before…made it so real. Mark my words—noot much more Korean— the show is gettin lazy.

    I’m so afraid of all these loose end never getting tied.

    And; doesn’t anyone ever get bit by a snake or spider on that Island?
    And come on; no one ever goes to the bathroom or complains about being hungry or thirsty…Just sayin.
    Are the writers faxing the scripts from their LA Condos? It’s a TROPICAL Island dudes.

    Ok, done carping. Mañana.

  327. Amber says:

    So First off I just want to say that I love lost but I too am starting to feel a little dissapointed. Why make a show centered around unanswered questions. Get people hooked because they want to know the answers. Only to say hey were not going to answer them all. Honestly thats a little disappointing. All those “little questions” to me are important. What the heck was up with Walt? Also Im not sure im loving all these “new” people. Im still trying to figure out what going on with our original losties. Now I have to worry about who this llana chick is? I love it and I will continue to watch. I just dont want to feel cheated and with so few hours left it looking that way. Also Im ready for creepy Ben to come back!

  328. Enik says:

    Do you remember the Hugo-centric episode a few seasons back where we meet Dave? We are led to believe he comes from Hugo’s own imagination. Dave, like Locke, is also a manifestation of the smoke monster.

    In “The Substitute”, the smoke monster, in the form of Locke, tries to convince Sawyer to join his cause. In “Dave”, the smoke monster – in another form – exploits Hugo’s feelings of self-doubt and tries to convince Hugo to jump off a cliff.

    Off island, Hugo shuts the window on Dave just after he asks, “Do you smell that? It’s the smell of freedom.”

    In both cases, Hugo is able to resist Dave’s prodding. He takes time to consider, but he doesn’t fall for the con. (No wonder Jacob thinks he so special.)

    The concept of “freedom” is presented in both episodes, as well. Locke – as the monster – tells Sawyer he just wants to be free.

    “See you in another life”, Dave yells as he launches himself from the cliff. Indeed we will.

  329. Aonghus Fallon says:

    This is a pretty crap theory, and only of interest to people who are still sceptical that the Smoke Monster and Flocke are one and the same. I’m basing this theory on all the evidence we’ve been given so far, plus Cuse’s quip that ‘John Locke reveals he’s the Smoke monster.’ I was hoping for a few clues re continuity (eg. the pocket on Locke’s t-shirt switching from left to right) but no luck.

    Given the recent interview with Terence O’Quinn, I can understand why people might think I’m flogging a very dead horse here. Nonetheless –

    I originally thought that the Smoke Monster delved into the memories of any individual it confronted, then assumed the form of somebody they had mistreated – a form of emotional blackmail. However, its powers are more specific. It can absorb the personalities/memories of the dead – much as Miles can, although I doubt if these ‘souls’ could strictly be classified as ‘alive’ in any real sense. It needs a corpse to do this, which is why it’s only ever assumed the appearance of somebody who has died on the island, or whose body has been brought to the island.

    Its true home seems to be underground, but it can be summoned – whether possession of some sort of talisman guarantees its obedience or whether it automatically only obeys a chosen few (key players in the ‘game’) is anybody’s guess.

    Flocke is a man. A very unusual man (for a number of reasons) but mortal and vulnerable to injury.

    Here’s what I think happened. Suspecting a trap after sending Ben to fetch Richard, Flocke took the precaution of summoning Smokie. He then hid, while Smokie took on the form of the dead Locke. This was the man who Ben found waiting for him when he re-entered the temple. He was an apparition without physical substance (like all the forms Smokie adopts) and so unhurt by gunfire. Flocke only turned up after the dust had settled.

    Thus Cuse is telling the truth – partially – when he says Locke reveals himself to be the Smoke Monster. The deceased Locke is just one of the many forms which Smokie can adopt. I’m guessing the kid with the blood on his hands was just Smokie again, up to his old tricks, and the kid was probably somebody Flocke had killed.

    What do you reckon?

  330. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”371028″]

    I originally thought that the Smoke Monster delved into the memories of any individual it confronted, then assumed the form of somebody they had mistreated – a form of emotional blackmail. However, its powers are more specific. It can absorb the personalities/memories of the dead – much as Miles can, although I doubt if these ‘souls’ could strictly be classified as ‘alive’ in any real sense. It needs a corpse to do this, which is why it’s only ever assumed the appearance of somebody who has died on the island, or whose body has been brought to the island.

    Its true home seems to be underground, but it can be summoned – whether possession of some sort of talisman guarantees its obedience or whether it automatically only obeys a chosen few (key players in the ‘game’) is anybody’s guess.

    Flocke is a man. A very unusual man (for a number of reasons) but mortal and vulnerable to injury.

    Here’s what I think happened. Suspecting a trap after sending Ben to fetch Richard, Flocke took the precaution of summoning Smokie. He then hid, while Smokie took on the form of the dead Locke. This was the man who Ben found waiting for him when he re-entered the temple. He was an apparition without physical substance (like all the forms Smokie adopts) and so unhurt by gunfire. Flocke only turned up after the dust had settled.

    Thus Cuse is telling the truth – partially – when he says Locke reveals himself to be the Smoke Monster. The deceased Locke is just one of the many forms which Smokie can adopt. I’m guessing the kid with the blood on his hands was just Smokie again, up to his old tricks, and the kid was probably somebody Flocke had killed.

    What do you reckon?[/quote]
    Certainly possible. The only thing I can think of that would poke a hole is the scene where Flocke/Smokie talks Ben into killing Jacob. In he exchange between Jacob and Flocke/Smokie, it seems to me that Jacob is talking to MIB:

    Flocke/Smokie: Hello, Jacob.
    JACOB: Well, you found your loophole.
    Flock/Smokie: Indeed I did. And you have no idea what I’ve gone through to be here.

    This seems to confirm Flocke/Smokie=MIB because of this exchange:

    MIB: Do you have any idea how badly I wanna kill you?
    JACOB: Yes.
    MIB: One of these days, sooner or later… I’m going to find a loophole, my friend.
    JACOB: Well, when you do, I’ll be right here.

  331. wallyp says:

    [quote comment=”371021″]

    I think we will learn more about John’s background, and maybe he was chosen by MIB long ago for this purpose he is using him.[/quote]

    This is what I have been thinking,,, there seems to be a lot of evidence to support that Locke was a fake all along… As I just watched the episode where MIB as Locke brings Richard to the drug plane to find Locke when he injurs his leg and to tell him that he needs to die. We know that Locke going back and needing to die was arranged by MIB in disguise… a big part of why he chose to be Locke, to fool Richard for that one hot minute and allow him to become Locke. It’s the hardest part to understand about the loop though— how did it come to be that MIB could know that Locke would flash ahead to 2007? I wonder if he had tagged Locke back when the losties group flashed to the statue that first time (1000 years ago, 150 years ago?) As Locke is tagged as a number now, perhaps in this loop the number 4 is on Jacobs list by mistake… (or maybe should be someone else) MIB manipulated the process by way of the loop. Maybe Kate SHOULD be on the list, and the combination of numbers should be different? (this could possibly explain why the numbers are the same as the valenzetti equation, and why they cursed Hurley… maybe in alt reality, Hurley wins the Lottery with a different series of numbers?)

  332. Aonghus Fallon says:

    The theory (for what it’s worth) wouldn’t necessarily conflict with this. This would be the sequence of events:

    (1) Ben goes into the temple with Flocke. Flocke persuades Ben to kill Jacob, kicks the body into the fire and tells Ben to fetch Richard.

    (2) Ben leaves the temple.

    (3) Alone in the temple, Flocke suspects a double-cross, and – knowing he’s vulnerable to gunfire – summons Smokie. Smokie agrees to impersonate him (Flocke’s survival is crucial to the ‘rules’). How? Smokie can manifest itself to look like the dead Locke – who, of course is indistinguishable from Flocke.

    (4) When Ben returns, Flocke is sitting in Jacob’s chair, apparently waiting for him. In reality, this is Smokey. Flocke has had the good sense to hide (probably behind one of the pillars). The Jacobites open fire, but as they are firing at an apparition, cannot harm it. The apparition then adopts its true form, Smokie, and kills them.

    (5) When Ben emerges to investigate, he is surprised by Flocke, who has been keeping well out of the line of fire and is now quite happy to insinuate that he can morph into the Smoke Monster at will.

    I’d be a lot happier with this theory (although I guess it holds up) if there were any clues to support – e.g. some disparity in dress and appearance between the apparition and Flocke.

  333. Hammer says:

    Okay, so you are suggesting that we had TWO Flockes in addition to the real Locke’s body on the beach?

    Not quite buying that.

  334. Aonghus Fallon says:

    Yeah, I’m afraid I am.

    One is ‘Flocke’. Flocke is an exact physical copy of John Locke, right down to the scar. Flocke was created by Esau (or the MIB, if you prefer) to kill Jacob. However, although he looks like John Locke, he has Esau’s personality. Esau reckoned he couldn’t create a more loyal acolyte – somebody whose goals exactly mirror his own. However, Flocke began to shows signs of free will at an early stage, consistent with his rebel angel persona and is now out to kill his creator. MIB, wise that he is, is currently holed up in his own temple, along with his followers while Flocke recruits an army to kill him. Esau’s/MIB’s temple is ‘home’ as far as Flocke is concerned. This is the same temple in which Jack and the others are currently holed up. I’m guessing the ‘infection’ is free will and that maybe Flocke is the principal ‘carrier’.

    The other Flocke is just one of the many forms Smokey can adopt.

  335. Miraks says:

    [quote comment=”371018″][quote comment=”371017″][quote comment=”371016″][quote comment=”371015″]Well, Desmond did have Penny’s picture on the plane in the “new” time.[/quote]

    He did? I totally missed that. Off to go check the screencaps!

    : ) P[/quote]

    Was Desmond in more than one scene in LA X? I only remember him in the scene where he is sitting in Jack’s row at the beginning. I looked through all the screencaps I could find and do not see him with a photo.

    : ) P[/quote]

    He was only in that one scene, and your right PJ, i dont remember seeing him with a picture either….I believe when Jack came back from “helping” charlie Des was gone, thats when Jack asked Rose if she seen Des.[/quote]

    I went back to look at the screen caps again, and it seems I was wrong. I could have sworn he had the picture- maybe I’m just used to him always looking at it.

  336. Duke says:

    [quote comment=”371028″]This is a pretty crap theory, and only of interest to people who are still sceptical that the Smoke Monster and Flocke are one and the same. I’m basing this theory on all the evidence we’ve been given so far, plus Cuse’s quip that ‘John Locke reveals he’s the Smoke monster.’ I was hoping for a few clues re continuity (eg. the pocket on Locke’s t-shirt switching from left to right) but no luck.

    Given the recent interview with Terence O’Quinn, I can understand why people might think I’m flogging a very dead horse here. Nonetheless –

    I originally thought that the Smoke Monster delved into the memories of any individual it confronted, then assumed the form of somebody they had mistreated – a form of emotional blackmail. However, its powers are more specific. It can absorb the personalities/memories of the dead – much as Miles can, although I doubt if these ‘souls’ could strictly be classified as ‘alive’ in any real sense. It needs a corpse to do this, which is why it’s only ever assumed the appearance of somebody who has died on the island, or whose body has been brought to the island.

    Its true home seems to be underground, but it can be summoned – whether possession of some sort of talisman guarantees its obedience or whether it automatically only obeys a chosen few (key players in the ‘game’) is anybody’s guess.

    Flocke is a man. A very unusual man (for a number of reasons) but mortal and vulnerable to injury.

    Here’s what I think happened. Suspecting a trap after sending Ben to fetch Richard, Flocke took the precaution of summoning Smokie. He then hid, while Smokie took on the form of the dead Locke. This was the man who Ben found waiting for him when he re-entered the temple. He was an apparition without physical substance (like all the forms Smokie adopts) and so unhurt by gunfire. Flocke only turned up after the dust had settled.

    Thus Cuse is telling the truth – partially – when he says Locke reveals himself to be the Smoke Monster. The deceased Locke is just one of the many forms which Smokie can adopt. I’m guessing the kid with the blood on his hands was just Smokie again, up to his old tricks, and the kid was probably somebody Flocke had killed.

    What do you reckon?[/quote]
    I reckon you are an idiot. I think it has been well established that the smoke monster is now Locke. No question about it. They are one and the same now.

  337. Jason says:

    [quote comment=”371036″][quote comment=”371028″]This is a pretty crap theory, and only of interest to people who are still sceptical that the Smoke Monster and Flocke are one and the same. I’m basing this theory on all the evidence we’ve been given so far, plus Cuse’s quip that ‘John Locke reveals he’s the Smoke monster.’ I was hoping for a few clues re continuity (eg. the pocket on Locke’s t-shirt switching from left to right) but no luck.

    Given the recent interview with Terence O’Quinn, I can understand why people might think I’m flogging a very dead horse here. Nonetheless –

    I originally thought that the Smoke Monster delved into the memories of any individual it confronted, then assumed the form of somebody they had mistreated – a form of emotional blackmail. However, its powers are more specific. It can absorb the personalities/memories of the dead – much as Miles can, although I doubt if these ‘souls’ could strictly be classified as ‘alive’ in any real sense. It needs a corpse to do this, which is why it’s only ever assumed the appearance of somebody who has died on the island, or whose body has been brought to the island.

    Its true home seems to be underground, but it can be summoned – whether possession of some sort of talisman guarantees its obedience or whether it automatically only obeys a chosen few (key players in the ‘game’) is anybody’s guess.

    Flocke is a man. A very unusual man (for a number of reasons) but mortal and vulnerable to injury.

    Here’s what I think happened. Suspecting a trap after sending Ben to fetch Richard, Flocke took the precaution of summoning Smokie. He then hid, while Smokie took on the form of the dead Locke. This was the man who Ben found waiting for him when he re-entered the temple. He was an apparition without physical substance (like all the forms Smokie adopts) and so unhurt by gunfire. Flocke only turned up after the dust had settled.

    Thus Cuse is telling the truth – partially – when he says Locke reveals himself to be the Smoke Monster. The deceased Locke is just one of the many forms which Smokie can adopt. I’m guessing the kid with the blood on his hands was just Smokie again, up to his old tricks, and the kid was probably somebody Flocke had killed.

    What do you reckon?[/quote]
    I reckon you are an idiot. I think it has been well established that the smoke monster is now Locke. No question about it. They are one and the same now.[/quote]
    ____________________________
    Nice, nice….we have resorted to name-calling. I like it.

  338. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment=”371036″]
    I reckon you are an idiot…..[/quote]
    Not cool dude

  339. Whoever says:

    [quote comment=”371035″][quote comment=”371018″][quote comment=”371017″][quote comment=”371016″][quote comment=”371015″]Well, Desmond did have Penny’s picture on the plane in the “new” time.[/quote]

    He did? I totally missed that. Off to go check the screencaps!

    : ) P[/quote]

    Was Desmond in more than one scene in LA X? I only remember him in the scene where he is sitting in Jack’s row at the beginning. I looked through all the screencaps I could find and do not see him with a photo.

    : ) P[/quote]

    He was only in that one scene, and your right PJ, i dont remember seeing him with a picture either….I believe when Jack came back from “helping” charlie Des was gone, thats when Jack asked Rose if she seen Des.[/quote]

    I went back to look at the screen caps again, and it seems I was wrong. I could have sworn he had the picture- maybe I’m just used to him always looking at it.[/quote]
    Sayid had a picture of Nadia. Perhaps that is what you are remembering?

  340. lil'queen says:

    [quote comment=”371039″]
    Sayid had a picture of Nadia. Perhaps that is what you are remembering?
    [/quote]
    Why not. Mister Friendly carried around a picture of Duke.

    ((oh snap!))

  341. KathrynMac says:

    [quote comment=”371028″] However, its powers are more specific. It can absorb the personalities/memories of the dead – much as Miles can, although I doubt if these ‘souls’ could strictly be classified as ‘alive’ in any real sense. It needs a corpse to do this, which is why it’s only ever assumed the appearance of somebody who has died on the island, or whose body has been brought to the island.

    What do you reckon?[/quote]

    Well, off the top of my head, I can think of Dave, Walt, Kate’s horse, and Cooper — none of whom died on the island. So, …. That theory seems full of holes.

  342. Larla says:

    [quote comment=”371040″][quote comment=”371039″]
    Sayid had a picture of Nadia. Perhaps that is what you are remembering?
    [/quote]
    Why not. Mister Friendly carried around a picture of Duke.

    ((oh snap!))[/quote]

    Sorry Duke, but that is pretty funny!

  343. Amber says:

    why isnt the new episode up?

  344. Duke says:

    [quote comment=”371038″][quote comment=”371036″]
    I reckon you are an idiot…..[/quote]
    Not cool dude[/quote]
    well, he asked for it. i couldn’t put it any nicer. did you read his post? People have be clamoring for answers for nearly 6 years now so I think that when we get then we should be really happy. I believe that many people will be greatly disappointed at the end of the show due to unrealistic expectations and needing/wanting everything to be explained. One of the great things about this show is that it allows those that watch to interpret things differently and come on here and give their opinions. I know that I do not spend any time reading/posting about any other show and no other show makes me think so much about it throughout the week. My point being that although everyone is entitled to their opinions when that show smacks us in the face with answers we must accept them and move on to the next mystery. They have made it abundantly clear that the smoke monster is now in the form of Locke. Darlton isn’t going to show up on your front door and smack you across the face and say listen MIB/Smokey now looks like Locke and the “real” Locke is DEAD!

  345. Duke says:

    [quote comment=”371041″][quote comment=”371028″] However, its powers are more specific. It can absorb the personalities/memories of the dead – much as Miles can, although I doubt if these ‘souls’ could strictly be classified as ‘alive’ in any real sense. It needs a corpse to do this, which is why it’s only ever assumed the appearance of somebody who has died on the island, or whose body has been brought to the island.

    What do you reckon?[/quote]

    Well, off the top of my head, I can think of Dave, Walt, Kate’s horse, and Cooper — none of whom died on the island. So, …. That theory seems full of holes.[/quote]
    ooper did die on the island. Sawyer killed him at the Black Rock.

  346. Duke says:

    [quote comment=”371041″][quote comment=”371028″] However, its powers are more specific. It can absorb the personalities/memories of the dead – much as Miles can, although I doubt if these ‘souls’ could strictly be classified as ‘alive’ in any real sense. It needs a corpse to do this, which is why it’s only ever assumed the appearance of somebody who has died on the island, or whose body has been brought to the island.

    What do you reckon?[/quote]

    Well, off the top of my head, I can think of Dave, Walt, Kate’s horse, and Cooper — none of whom died on the island. So, …. That theory seems full of holes.[/quote]
    Cooper did die on the island. Sawyer killed him at the Black Rock.

  347. Duke says:

    [quote comment=”371042″][quote comment=”371040″][quote comment=”371039″]
    Sayid had a picture of Nadia. Perhaps that is what you are remembering?
    [/quote]
    Why not. Mister Friendly carried around a picture of Duke.

    ((oh snap!))[/quote]

    Sorry Duke, but that is pretty funny![/quote]
    Why would I be offended by that? I’m not his type either.

  348. Duke says:

    Clearly the guy I called an idiot asked for it but apparently my sarcasm and wit isn’t playing well over the keyboard. If he was offended then I am sorry but he did asked what do you reckon and just gave him my honest opinion.

  349. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment=”371048″][quote comment=”371041″][quote comment=”371028″] However, its powers are more specific. It can absorb the personalities/memories of the dead – much as Miles can, although I doubt if these ‘souls’ could strictly be classified as ‘alive’ in any real sense. It needs a corpse to do this, which is why it’s only ever assumed the appearance of somebody who has died on the island, or whose body has been brought to the island.

    What do you reckon?[/quote]

    Well, off the top of my head, I can think of Dave, Walt, Kate’s horse, and Cooper — none of whom died on the island. So, …. That theory seems full of holes.[/quote]
    Cooper did die on the island. Sawyer killed him at the Black Rock.[/quote]
    Might not have been the real cooper.

  350. mrs markelz says:

    P[quote comment=”371026″]Do you remember the Hugo-centric episode a few seasons back where we meet Dave? We are led to believe he comes from Hugo’s own imagination. Dave, like Locke, is also a manifestation of the smoke monster.

    In “The Substitute”, the smoke monster, in the form of Locke, tries to convince Sawyer to join his cause. In “Dave”, the smoke monster – in another form – exploits Hugo’s feelings of self-doubt and tries to convince Hugo to jump off a cliff.

    Off island, Hugo shuts the window on Dave just after he asks, “Do you smell that? It’s the smell of freedom.”

    In both cases, Hugo is able to resist Dave’s prodding. He takes time to consider, but he doesn’t fall for the con. (No wonder Jacob thinks he so special.)

    The concept of “freedom” is presented in both episodes, as well. Locke – as the monster – tells Sawyer he just wants to be free.

    “See you in another life”, Dave yells as he launches himself from the cliff. Indeed we will.[/quote]*************
    I just read this exact same theory word for word on darkufo come up with ur own ideas pls!!

  351. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment=”371046″][quote comment=”371038″][quote comment=”371036″]
    I reckon you are an idiot…..[/quote]
    Not cool dude[/quote]
    well, he asked for it. i couldn’t put it any nicer. did you read his post? People have be clamoring for answers for nearly 6 years now so I think that when we get then we should be really happy. I believe that many people will be greatly disappointed at the end of the show due to unrealistic expectations and needing/wanting everything to be explained. One of the great things about this show is that it allows those that watch to interpret things differently and come on here and give their opinions. I know that I do not spend any time reading/posting about any other show and no other show makes me think so much about it throughout the week. My point being that although everyone is entitled to their opinions when that show smacks us in the face with answers we must accept them and move on to the next mystery. They have made it abundantly clear that the smoke monster is now in the form of Locke. Darlton isn’t going to show up on your front door and smack you across the face and say listen MIB/Smokey now looks like Locke and the “real” Locke is DEAD![/quote]
    I agree with a lot of what you’re saying, but there’s still no need to call people names. That’s why blogs like this are here – for all of us to post our ideas no matter how crazy they are.

  352. Come on now everyone, lets just be friends. We are all here for the same reasons. To blog about lost and compare theories on how it is going to unfold.

    I do agree that many fans are going to be upset with the conclusion. They are not answering the questions in a good manner. It seems that for every question they answer, 2 or 3 new questions are asked. I can only hope that after watching this show for 6 years, faithfully, that it at least makes sense in the end.

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