Sundown

Lost Sayid Season 6

Being a huge fan of Matthew Fox’ character on Lost, I thought the episode last week regarding Jack was great, for a couple reasons:

1) Jack discussing with Hurley why he decided to come back was a true representation of what makes Jack such an interesting character on the show. He has saved many people and performed numerous medicinal miracles, yet he is the one “broken” thing that he cannot figure out how to fix. Seeing him with his son in alternate-land was pretty cool, specifically their reconciliation post-recital.

2) The Lighthouse – the mirror providing a vision of specific points on the mainland, with each degree providing a representation of a different person, was a pretty cool way to tie in the numbers, but is that it?

This week’s episode is Sayid centric, so it should be another great one.

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“Sayid is faced with a difficult decision, and Claire sends a warning to the temple inhabitant”

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389 Responses to Sundown

  1. wallyp says:

    “2) The Lighthouse – the mirror providing a vision of specific points on the mainland, with each degree providing a representation of a different person, was a pretty cool way to tie in the numbers, but is that it?”

    No way thats IT! ,,, they just explained to us two weeks ago that each number was a person… then last week they gave us the lighthouse … I say they throw another number clue at us tonite… (they better!)

  2. Guttahman says:

    Sayid has always been one of my favorite characters, this should be a very interesting ep. 5 hours to go!!

  3. Guttahman says:

    hopefully we will find out more about this “infection” as well…..

  4. LostGrrl says:

    Will Sideways Sayid be a killer, or a Habitat for Humanity house builder? Will he be with Nadia? Island Sayid’s future is not looking too bright, so hopefuly Sideways Sayid’s life is better.

    And will the “man in the mirror” theme continue?

  5. Lind says:

    Oh boy!! “Questions will be answered!” I cannot wait!

    I just worry.. “Sundown” – let’s hope this doesn’t mean our lovely Korean friend is in trouble!

  6. Miss lost says:

    [quote comment="371494"]Oh boy!! “Questions will be answered!” I cannot wait!

    I just worry.. “Sundown” – let’s hope this doesn’t mean our lovely Korean friend is in trouble![/quote]
    ***************
    Sundown…The end of something. Didn’t most duels happen at sundown? the end of the day, but whose day? Can’t wait!

  7. Miraks says:

    I would think that “Sundown” would be a Sun- centric episode, to mirror “House of the Rising Sun” from season 1.

  8. Heidi says:

    So I get that Claire is ‘savage’ now, but seriously if she can sew up Jin’s leg she can build herself a comb/brush.

  9. Lind says:

    [quote comment="371497"]So I get that Claire is ‘savage’ now, but seriously if she can sew up Jin’s leg she can build herself a comb/brush.[/quote]

    she’s too bada$$ for a brush

  10. Mr. $tuart says:

    I was surfing the net on Boogle and got this quote from the Japanese philospher Dogen that I found quite interesting, “When we discover that the truth is already in us, we are all at once our original selves.”

  11. Miss lost says:

    [quote comment="371499"]I was surfing the net on Boogle and got this quote from the Japanese philospher Dogen that I found quite interesting, “When we discover that the truth is already in us, we are all at once our original selves.”[/quote]
    **************
    very interesting!

  12. Miss lost says:

    [quote comment="371500"][quote comment="371499"]I was surfing the net on Boogle and got this quote from the Japanese philospher Dogen that I found quite interesting, “When we discover that the truth is already in us, we are all at once our original selves.”[/quote]
    **************
    very interesting![/quote]

    Maybe that is what Jack needs to dicover on his own.

  13. Miss lost says:

    [quote comment="371496"]I would think that “Sundown” would be a Sun- centric episode, to mirror “House of the Rising Sun” from season 1.[/quote]
    ************
    it could be, but why the pic of Sayid?

  14. Lind says:

    [quote comment="371490"]“2) The Lighthouse – the mirror providing a vision of specific points on the mainland, with each degree providing a representation of a different person, was a pretty cool way to tie in the numbers, but is that it?”

    No way thats IT! ,,, they just explained to us two weeks ago that each number was a person… then last week they gave us the lighthouse … I say they throw another number clue at us tonite… (they better!)[/quote]

    In the first season, when they hear the transmission from the radio tower, and hear the numbers being repeated… there isn’t a chance that that’s the “voice of Jacob”, is there? I am trying to remember, but was that voice ever identified?

  15. little prince says:

    I believe EVERY single characters life is better in some way in the Sideways timeline…Everything i have seen so far is an improvement morally and personality wise…so i thik sayid will be a happy camper…probly with a love…definatley not a killer…jmho

  16. JustProgress... says:

    In the first season, when they hear the transmission from the radio tower, and hear the numbers being repeated… there isn’t a chance that that’s the “voice of Jacob”, is there? I am trying to remember, but was that voice ever identified?

    *******

    The transmission was Russeau’s. It was in French and had been playing for 16 years. She later confirms this after the Losties meet her in that season.

  17. Mr. $tuart says:

    [quote comment="371503"][quote comment="371490"]“2) The Lighthouse – the mirror providing a vision of specific points on the mainland, with each degree providing a representation of a different person, was a pretty cool way to tie in the numbers, but is that it?”

    No way thats IT! ,,, they just explained to us two weeks ago that each number was a person… then last week they gave us the lighthouse … I say they throw another number clue at us tonite… (they better!)[/quote]

    In the first season, when they hear the transmission from the radio tower, and hear the numbers being repeated… there isn’t a chance that that’s the “voice of Jacob”, is there? I am trying to remember, but was that voice ever identified?[/quote]
    It was Rousseau. Oy vey. Where have you been?

  18. Lind says:

    [quote comment="371504"]I believe EVERY single characters life is better in some way in the Sideways timeline…Everything i have seen so far is an improvement morally and personality wise…so i thik sayid will be a happy camper…probly with a love…definatley not a killer…jmho[/quote]

    Yeah, he seemed like the good samaritan, genuine-type when he was on the plane to LAX (helping out with Charlie…) maybe this time around, his life is alright.

    Speaking of Charlie… his sideways life definitely is not looking up at the moment, though perhaps his prison time will be a ‘blessing in disguise’, as they say.

  19. Lind says:

    [quote comment="371505"]In the first season, when they hear the transmission from the radio tower, and hear the numbers being repeated… there isn’t a chance that that’s the “voice of Jacob”, is there? I am trying to remember, but was that voice ever identified?

    *******

    The transmission was Russeau’s. It was in French and had been playing for 16 years. She later confirms this after the Losties meet her in that season.[/quote]

    No, but the NUMBERS

  20. Lind says:

    [quote comment="371506"][quote comment="371503"][quote comment="371490"]“2) The Lighthouse – the mirror providing a vision of specific points on the mainland, with each degree providing a representation of a different person, was a pretty cool way to tie in the numbers, but is that it?”

    No way thats IT! ,,, they just explained to us two weeks ago that each number was a person… then last week they gave us the lighthouse … I say they throw another number clue at us tonite… (they better!)[/quote]

    In the first season, when they hear the transmission from the radio tower, and hear the numbers being repeated… there isn’t a chance that that’s the “voice of Jacob”, is there? I am trying to remember, but was that voice ever identified?[/quote]
    It was Rousseau. Oy vey. Where have you been?[/quote]

    Jeeze, why do so many people here have nasty attitudes?

    On the transmission, there were also the Dharma/Candidates/Lottery/Swan Station numbers. They were spoken in a man’s voice.

  21. little prince says:

    In the first season, when they hear the transmission from the radio tower, and hear the numbers being repeated… there isn’t a chance that that’s the “voice of Jacob”, is there? I am trying to remember, but was that voice ever identified?[/quote]

    i thought they said it was a member of Rouseaus team…thats why it had been playing on repeat for 16 years…but it bring up a good question…i wonder how the MIB got the numbers from jacob with the corresponding names…
    i say this because i believe that cave was MIB’s with the names on the walls and ceiling…i wasnt buying the fact that was Jacobs cave and he would hide down there…Jacob has a temple…he does not dwell in caves and tunnels…thats where smokey (mib) lives. Jacobs numbers are nice and neat in a circle in a hidden ancient light house that you can only find if you are “looking for it”…
    so..at what point did MIB infiltrate Jacobs system and find his numbers…or did he not and they sat around one day and appoint them to people…either way….
    its safe to say that at somepoint MIB either stole the numbers list with the names….orthey came up with them together…wich i highly doubt..because of that scene last year in the finale where he said..”you brought em here”..talking about the ship (black rock)…if it was mutal…that wouldnt have happened

  22. Mr. $tuart says:

    [quote comment="371504"]I believe EVERY single characters life is better in some way in the Sideways timeline…Everything i have seen so far is an improvement morally and personality wise…so i thik sayid will be a happy camper…probly with a love…definatley not a killer…jmho[/quote]
    Kate is still on the lamb. I don’t think her life is much better. Ben is a teacher. Trust me. Is life is NOT better. Jack is still divorced and apparently he was a terrible dad just like Christian and he still drives the same P.O.S. so his life isn’t exactly better. Boone still has to deal with Shannon and since she didn’t come with him, I doubt he got to bang her this go around so he’s not any better off. Charlie was still on the smack so he doesn’t appear better off. By the way, what’s the deal with him telling Jack that he wasn’t supposed to save him? I’m not so sure that life is all that much better for everybody.

  23. Mr. $tuart says:

    On the transmission, there were also the Dharma/Candidates/Lottery/Swan Station numbers. They were spoken in a man’s voice.[/quote]
    I think you’re talking about the radio call Bernard made when the tail section survivors were still separated from everybody else.

  24. Miraks says:

    [quote comment="371505"]In the first season, when they hear the transmission from the radio tower, and hear the numbers being repeated… there isn’t a chance that that’s the “voice of Jacob”, is there? I am trying to remember, but was that voice ever identified?

    *******

    The transmission was Russeau’s. It was in French and had been playing for 16 years. She later confirms this after the Losties meet her in that season.[/quote]

    Russeau’s transmission was the sos call. The transmission with the numbers were in a man’s voice. They were heard by Leonard and Sam at their listening post in the South Pacific somewhere around 1988. Later Leonard kept repeating those numbers inthe mental hospital, which is where Hurley heard them.

    Russeau’s team heard the same transmission around that time. The transmission was NOT made by anyone on the French team.

  25. DocH says:

    lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Distress_signal

    ‘Numbers’ in male voice lured the French science team. They changed it to an SOS once they found the radio tower.

    Charlie and Shannon have better lives in flash-sideways world because they AREN’T DEAD.

    Rundown car for Jack in LA? Probably smart. Rich doctor cars are stolen, carjacked, scratched & banged in parking lots. A reliable, old, 4WD rust-bucket probably means no worries on the mean streets of SoCal.

  26. C Bold says:

    That was very informative, thanks for the wikipedia reference. So that means the original broadcast of the numbers could have been Jacob?

  27. Lind says:

    [quote comment="371517"]That was very informative, thanks for the wikipedia reference. So that means the original broadcast of the numbers could have been Jacob?[/quote]

    I don’t know… that’s what I was wondering about… I feel like we may have at some point learned the identity of “the voice” – maybe it was Dr. Chang? But I don’t remember. Maybe we never did learn the identity… maybe it was Jacob…hmmmmm

  28. DocH says:

    [quote comment="371518"]
    So that means the original broadcast of the numbers could have been Jacob?
    [/quote]

    Or any of the Dharma crazies that had been running around the joint for over a decade before the French team.

    Or any of the whisperers, before they became such.

    Or MIB. If Jacob was visiting folks off-island and changing their fate – maybe that was to make them better people so their fate would not bring them to the island. MIB puts out a broadcast to lure them in – trolling for candidates.

  29. bruno says:

    [quote comment="371516"]lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Distress_signal

    ‘Numbers’ in male voice lured the French science team. They changed it to an SOS once they found the radio tower.

    Charlie and Shannon have better lives in flash-sideways world because they AREN’T DEAD.

    Rundown car for Jack in LA? Probably smart. Rich doctor cars are stolen, carjacked, scratched & banged in parking lots. A reliable, old, 4WD rust-bucket probably means no worries on the mean streets of SoCal.[/quote]

    Do we know for a fact that Jack is a doctor in this sideways reality?

  30. Miss lost says:

    [quote comment="371521"][quote comment="371516"]lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Distress_signal

    ‘Numbers’ in male voice lured the French science team. They changed it to an SOS once they found the radio tower.

    Charlie and Shannon have better lives in flash-sideways world because they AREN’T DEAD.

    Rundown car for Jack in LA? Probably smart. Rich doctor cars are stolen, carjacked, scratched & banged in parking lots. A reliable, old, 4WD rust-bucket probably means no worries on the mean streets of SoCal.[/quote]

    Do we know for a fact that Jack is a doctor in this sideways reality?[/quote]
    *************
    yes…he told John Locke he was a spinal surgeon!

  31. Mr. $tuart says:

    On this episode of Ultimate Warrior we have Samurai vs. Republican Guard. WINNER: SAMURAI

  32. Snaisy says:

    “Acting all weird; still hot though” lol

  33. meathead says:

    What happened the last 2 minutes? My DVR cut off. Sheesh.

  34. Mr. $tuart says:

    Um, when exactly are we going to get answers?

  35. Mr. $tuart says:

    [quote comment="371526"]What happened the last 2 minutes? My DVR cut off. Sheesh.[/quote]
    Smokey killed everybody in the temple. Kate ducked down on a rope ladder into Claire’s pit and Smokey flew over them. She walked by all the dead bodies with Claire and Sayid and they met up with “Locke” and his recruits. She had a what the hell is going on look on her face the whole time. Lapidus, Sun, Ilana, and Miles escaped the same way Hurley got out.

  36. 4 8 15 16 23 42 says:

    [quote comment="371526"]What happened the last 2 minutes? My DVR cut off. Sheesh.[/quote]

    Yes, mine did the same thing, if someone could please describe what happened at the end. The last thing I saw was Sayid standing outside.

  37. Mr. $tuart says:

    Not sure what happened to Ben, he went to get Sayid and found that Sayid had killed Dogen and Lennon so he freaked out and ran away. They didn’t show anything else with Ben, but the previews for next week suggest that [ potential spoiler edited out]

  38. RGS says:

    [quote comment="371527"]Um, when exactly are we going to get answers?[/quote]

    I’m afraid that isn’t what this is about anymore, (maybe it never was) rather the only major answer I think we may get, is why are they there? I state maybe because they could conceivably leave it up to the audience interpretation as to what is really going on, which is fine for folks like Frenchie.

    I’m almost certain that one will have to connect the dots as to why such and such could happen, while at the same time something similar could not.

    I felt like this would have been a great episode, IF this wasn’t the last season. I still liked it, but I’ve already surrendered to the notion that major mysteries won’t be answered. If I get an answer it’s a bonus. Scratch that, if I get a great answer, it’s a bonus. I don’t even think I will try to point out the holes in theories anymore, unless they start to take on a life of their own and I can’t stand it anymore.

  39. Jason says:

    [quote comment="371531"][quote comment="371527"]Um, when exactly are we going to get answers?[/quote]

    I’m afraid that isn’t what this is about anymore, (maybe it never was) rather the only major answer I think we may get, is why are they there? I state maybe because they could conceivably leave it up to the audience interpretation as to what is really going on, which is fine for folks like Frenchie.

    I’m almost certain that one will have to connect the dots as to why such and such could happen, while at the same time something similar could not.

    I felt like this would have been a great episode, IF this wasn’t the last season. I still liked it, but I’ve already surrendered to the notion that major mysteries won’t be answered. If I get an answer it’s a bonus. Scratch that, if I get a great answer, it’s a bonus. I don’t even think I will try to point out the holes in theories anymore, unless they start to take on a life of their own and I can’t stand it anymore.[/quote]
    ___________________________________________
    I have to agree here. It’s a little disappointing too. Don’t get me wrong, I love Lost…always have from day 1. But there are only 10 episodes or so left. I’m afraid that even if we get answers to major questions they will just seem rushed and kind of “thrown” in to try and provide closure. There is no way they will answer 4 1/2 seasons worth of major questions in 10 or so more episodes.

  40. Internut says:

    I don’t like to post comments usually… just like to read… but I can’t find any info here the is fresh. I’ve been searching for 5 days. Do you know what this is about…

    http://www.globalwelfareconsortium.com/

    I am looking for a Lost “pro” to weigh in…

  41. LizS says:

    Well, that whole speech of Dogen’s was Verrrry interesting! Sort of leaning towards our sideways reality as reward (or something like that) discussions.

    But I HATE what Sayid did!!! on Island. Off Island, poor guy, not looking for trouble, but trouble came looking for him. And he dealt with it.

    I’m going to miss Dogen. Maybe a liar, maybe a manipulating Other, definitely an awesome martial artist…though our acquaintance was short, you were interesting. Adieu, mon ami

  42. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="371530"] but the previews for next week suggest [/quote]
    NO PREVIEWS….UNACCEPTABLE!!!

  43. Mr. $tuart says:

    [quote comment="371535"][quote comment="371530"] but the previews for next week suggest [/quote]
    NO PREVIEWS….UNACCEPTABLE!!![/quote]
    Oh, it’s not like I gave anything away. Everyone saw on the promo after the show. Plus it will be the commercial that runs all week.

  44. Jason says:

    [quote comment="371535"][quote comment="371530"] but the previews for next week suggest [/quote]
    NO PREVIEWS….UNACCEPTABLE!!![/quote]
    _____________________________________________
    Dude, Hammer is gonna turn into the smoke monster…you’ve done it now!

  45. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="371536"][quote comment="371535"][quote comment="371530"] but the previews for next week suggest [/quote]
    NO PREVIEWS….UNACCEPTABLE!!![/quote]
    Oh, it’s not like I gave anything away. Everyone saw on the promo after the show. Plus it will be the commercial that runs all week.[/quote]
    Not true…many folks are spoiler free and it’s one of the major rules on this site. I would think post 37 will be deleted soon.

  46. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="371530"]Not sure what happened to Ben, he went to get Sayid and found that Sayid had killed Dogen and Lennon so he freaked out and ran away. They didn’t show anything else with Ben, but the previews for next week suggest that it wil be XXX XXX XXX XXX XXX XXX XXX XXX [/quote]

    Gees, man. Please. I recognize your name. You’ve been around long enough to know the rules (which are listed DIRECTLY above where you type your comment): No spoilers or discussion of episode previews.

    This INCLUDES what comes IMMEDIATELY after the broadcast, all commercials, and anything found online.

    And if Hammer is the Smoke Monster, I will be the latest version of Sayid!

    : ) P

  47. Jason says:

    [quote comment="371539"][quote comment="371530"]Not sure what happened to Ben, he went to get Sayid and found that Sayid had killed Dogen and Lennon so he freaked out and ran away. They didn’t show anything else with Ben, but the previews for next week suggest that it wil be XXX XXX XXX XXX XXX XXX XXX XXX [/quote]

    Gees, man. Please. I recognize your name. You’ve been around long enough to know the rules (which are listed DIRECTLY above where you type your comment): No spoilers or discussion of episode previews.

    This INCLUDES what comes IMMEDIATELY after the broadcast, all commercials, and anything found online.

    And if Hammer is the Smoke Monster, I will be the latest version of Sayid!

    : ) P[/quote]
    _________________________________
    LOL….yeah, what’s up with that? Has he turned to the dark side??

  48. LostDamery says:

    2 cents:
    1) Is Sayid on the Dark side with Claire? I don’t think so…Kate is for sure NOT.
    2) Sun oh Sun where are thou? I think When things end now (Death) it is the Final release from the island, but only when they get things right in the alternate reality..Sayid and Sun have been bad and will stay on the island …I am thinking Sun and Jin will be adam and eve!

  49. Mr. $tuart says:

    So I take it that you guys don’t watch ABC except for Tuesdays 9/8C? Wow. I know ya’ll are really into this stuff and I get the spoiler rules, but give me a break. The commercial runs right after the freakin episode and then it runs ALL WEEK. I’m not giving away top secret knowledge that will ruin the viewing experience.

  50. Jonny Quest says:

    [quote comment="371535"]
    NO PREVIEWS….UNACCEPTABLE!!!
    [/quote]

    Concur. Guideline #4.

    “• No spoilers or discussion of episode previews.”

    99.897655433% of those here follow this rule. Can’t follow the guideline? Guess what? Blog elsewhere. Simple. No? FTFR… or… blog elsewhere. Is that dumbed down enough for you?

  51. LostDamery says:

    What ever happened to the little tool to keep track of what comments that I have read? Use to be a little arrow or triangle to show what you where to pickup reading the comments…

  52. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="371540"][quote comment="371539"][quote comment="371530"]Not sure what happened to Ben, he went to get Sayid and found that Sayid had killed Dogen and Lennon so he freaked out and ran away. They didn’t show anything else with Ben, but the previews for next week suggest that it wil be XXX XXX XXX XXX XXX XXX XXX XXX [/quote]

    Gees, man. Please. I recognize your name. You’ve been around long enough to know the rules (which are listed DIRECTLY above where you type your comment): No spoilers or discussion of episode previews.

    This INCLUDES what comes IMMEDIATELY after the broadcast, all commercials, and anything found online.

    And if Hammer is the Smoke Monster, I will be the latest version of Sayid!

    : ) P[/quote]
    _________________________________
    LOL….yeah, what’s up with that? Has he turned to the dark side??[/quote]
    Sorry…it’s the final season and this is a spoiler free site. There’s lots of places to talk spoilers if you want.

  53. Murphey says:

    I wonder if a candidate will be able to kill MIB. Could Sayid not kill MIB because he was already infected or was Dogen just setting him up?

  54. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="371542"]So I take it that you guys don’t watch ABC except for Tuesdays 9/8C? Wow. I know ya’ll are really into this stuff and I get the spoiler rules, but give me a break. The commercial runs right after the freakin episode and then it runs ALL WEEK. I’m not giving away top secret knowledge that will ruin the viewing experience.[/quote]

    LOST is the only show I watch live – everything else is TiVo’d and I FF through the commercials. I turn the tv off the SECOND the LOST bloops up onto the screen to AVOID the preview. And yes you ARE giving away things that could ruin the viewing experience. I have LIVED through that.

    We are fervently fanatical about this show. You have to know that by now. This is one of VERY FEW spoiler free blogs. There are THOUSANDS of sites that allow spoilers. Please help us by following the rules?

    : ) P

  55. Murphey says:

    Dogen originally wanted Jack and Hurley for the mission to try to kill MIB but settled for Sayid when they couldn’t be found. Suggests it had to be a candidate and preferably not infected.

  56. Mr. $tuart says:

    [quote comment="371547"][quote comment="371542"]So I take it that you guys don’t watch ABC except for Tuesdays 9/8C? Wow. I know ya’ll are really into this stuff and I get the spoiler rules, but give me a break. The commercial runs right after the freakin episode and then it runs ALL WEEK. I’m not giving away top secret knowledge that will ruin the viewing experience.[/quote]

    LOST is the only show I watch live – everything else is TiVo’d and I FF through the commercials. I turn the tv off the SECOND the LOST bloops up onto the screen to AVOID the preview. And yes you ARE giving away things that could ruin the viewing experience. I have LIVED through that.

    We are fervently fanatical about this show. You have to know that by now. This is one of VERY FEW spoiler free blogs. There are THOUSANDS of sites that allow spoilers. Please help us by following the rules?

    : ) P[/quote]
    WOW! I’VE GOT THE SAME LOOK ON MY FACE THAT KATE DID AT THE END OF THE SHOW.

  57. Hammer says:

    Infection theories confirmed.

    Also, I think my theory that people that died on the island and are now alive in the FS timeline….are being course corrected. Keamy….waiting on Libby, Ana Lucia, Michael, Charlie…

  58. Mr. $tuart says:

    [quote comment="371550"]Infection theories confirmed.

    Also, I think my theory that people that died on the island and are now alive in the FS timeline….are being course corrected. Keamy….waiting on Libby, Ana Lucia, Michael, Charlie…[/quote]
    Michael didn’t die on the island and we already saw Charlie on the plane in the premiere.

  59. KatieB says:

    I had trouble reading Kate’s face at the end of the episode. Part of me thought she was confused and just following Flocke out of the temple because he was there, but another part of me felt like she had been ‘converted’ and was now a part of MIB’s team. It seemed somewhat deliberate to me that she looked so calmly at the dead bodies and picked up a gun. What do you guys think?

  60. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="371551"][quote comment="371550"]Infection theories confirmed.

    Also, I think my theory that people that died on the island and are now alive in the FS timeline….are being course corrected. Keamy….waiting on Libby, Ana Lucia, Michael, Charlie…[/quote]
    Michael didn’t die on the island and we already saw Charlie on the plane in the premiere.[/quote]
    True about Michael…@ Charlie…my theory is that he WILL die because he died on the island ala Keamy…we just saw Keamy off island get killed off island IMO because he isn’t supposed to be alive. WHH, course correction.

  61. rowjimmy says:

    [quote comment="371548"]Dogen originally wanted Jack and Hurley for the mission to try to kill MIB but settled for Sayid when they couldn’t be found. Suggests it had to be a candidate and preferably not infected.[/quote]
    Dogen did tell Sayid if Flocke speaks to you it will be to late. Flocke said hello Sayid as soon as he appeared he must know the rule if that was a rule.
    Someone had the mentioned at the beginning of this season about all the “cigar boxes” showing up I think we found out tonigt they contain the dagger

  62. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="371552"]I had trouble reading Kate’s face at the end of the episode. Patlocke out of the temple because he was there, but another part of me felt like she had been ‘converted’ and was now a part of MIB’s team. It seemed somewhat deliberate to me that she looked so calmly at the dead bodies and picked up a gun. What do you guys think?[/quote]
    Certainly possible…Claire had the ‘weird’ look before she wondered off.

  63. LizS says:

    So, Smokie and his killing abilities–obviously there are conditions to who he can kill and where and how. Some quality in DOGEN was what kept Smokie out of the Temple, not just the ash. The ash was rendered pointless after Dogen was killed.

    Didn’t/couldn’t kill Jacob, got Ben to do it for him. Didn’t/couldn’t kill Dogen, got Sayid to do it for him.
    Didn’t/couldn’t (?) kill Richard? (still kicking)
    Was told by kid in the forest, ‘you can’t kill him’ re: Sawyer. Other ‘Candidates’ in that same boat?

    What is lil’ Smokie made of? Magic, temper and nightmares? Like Rousseau said way back, a security system? Run amok??? How do you kill that???

    Both sides making promises to poor humans–do this for me and you get this. If I’m not lying to you and I don’t change my mind. And if you don’t end up dead in my cause.

    It’s tough to have the attention of a superbeing with an agenda, ain’t it?

  64. Mr. $tuart says:

    [quote comment="371553"][quote comment="371551"][quote comment="371550"]Infection theories confirmed.

    Also, I think my theory that people that died on the island and are now alive in the FS timeline….are being course corrected. Keamy….waiting on Libby, Ana Lucia, Michael, Charlie…[/quote]
    Michael didn’t die on the island and we already saw Charlie on the plane in the premiere.[/quote]
    True about Michael…@ Charlie…my theory is that he WILL die because he died on the island ala Keamy…we just saw Keamy off island get killed off island IMO because he isn’t supposed to be alive. WHH, course correction.[/quote]
    Well Charlie did tell Jack that he wasn’t supposed to save him. Whatever that means.

  65. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="371554"][quote comment="371548"]Dogen originally wanted Jack and Hurley for the mission to try to kill MIB but settled for Sayid when they couldn’t be found. Suggests it had to be a candidate and preferably not infected.[/quote]
    Dogen did tell Sayid if Flocke speaks to you it will be to late. Flocke said hello Sayid as soon as he appeared he must know the rule if that was a rule.
    Someone had the mentioned at the beginning of this season about all the “cigar boxes” showing up I think we found out tonigt they contain the dagger[/quote]
    I shouted at the TV to Sayid: “Don’t bother! He already said hello!”

  66. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="371557"][quote comment="371553"][quote comment="371551"][quote comment="371550"]Infection theories confirmed.

    Also, I think my theory that people that died on the island and are now alive in the FS timeline….are being course corrected. Keamy….waiting on Libby, Ana Lucia, Michael, Charlie…[/quote]
    Michael didn’t die on the island and we already saw Charlie on the plane in the premiere.[/quote]
    True about Michael…@ Charlie…my theory is that he WILL die because he died on the island ala Keamy…we just saw Keamy off island get killed off island IMO because he isn’t supposed to be alive. WHH, course correction.[/quote]
    Well Charlie did tell Jack that he wasn’t supposed to save him. Whatever that means.[/quote]
    Right, that comment is what sent my thinking that course correction would be part of the Flashsideways.

  67. Hammer says:

    LOL, I just got a word press error that told me I was commenting too fast and to slow down. Frickin’ hilarious.

  68. LizS says:

    [quote comment="371555"][quote comment="371552"]I had trouble reading Kate’s face at the end of the episode. Patlocke out of the temple because he was there, but another part of me felt like she had been ‘converted’ and was now a part of MIB’s team. It seemed somewhat deliberate to me that she looked so calmly at the dead bodies and picked up a gun. What do you guys think?[/quote]
    Certainly possible…Claire had the ‘weird’ look before she wondered off.[/quote]
    Kate is surrounded by weirdness, to which she is no stranger at this point, and is certainly capable of putting up a show of being on one side while trying to figure out what is going on. Plus, she’s vowed to rescue Claire and reunite her with Aaron. So that’s where she is going to put her efforts now IMO.

  69. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="371533"]I don’t like to post comments usually… just like to read… but I can’t find any info here the is fresh. I’ve been searching for 5 days. Do you know what this is about…

    http://www.globalwelfareconsortium.com/

    I am looking for a Lost “pro” to weigh in…[/quote]

    http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Global_Welfare_Consortium

    HTH,
    : ) P

  70. MT says:

    [quote comment="371555"][quote comment="371552"]I had trouble reading Kate’s face at the end of the episode. Patlocke out of the temple because he was there, but another part of me felt like she had been ‘converted’ and was now a part of MIB’s team. It seemed somewhat deliberate to me that she looked so calmly at the dead bodies and picked up a gun. What do you guys think?[/quote]
    Certainly possible…Claire had the ‘weird’ look before she wondered off.[/quote]

    We’ve seen that Kate is very good at fitting in/laying low when she has to, to get the lay of the land. I think she is still being true to her mission to save Claire and get her reunited with Aaron.

    In the earlier seasons the main conflict was between Locke and Jack. Maybe that’s where we’re headed for the big showdown.

  71. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="371533"]I don’t like to post comments usually… just like to read… but I can’t find any info here the is fresh. I’ve been searching for 5 days. Do you know what this is about…

    http ://www. globalwelfareconsortium. com/

    I am looking for a Lost “pro” to weigh in…[/quote]

    http:// lostpedia . wikia . com /wiki/ Global_Welfare_Consortium

    This should answer your question. Take out all the spaces. I can’t get the post to go through with the web address.

    HTH
    : ) P

  72. rowjimmy says:

    So what is the tie in with Paik industry and mafia Keamey in flash sideways? Jin had alot of money getting off the plane.

  73. Murphey says:

    [quote comment="371552"]I had trouble reading Kate’s face at the end of the episode. Part of me thought she was confused and just following Flocke out of the temple because he was there, but another part of me felt like she had been ‘converted’ and was now a part of MIB’s team. It seemed somewhat deliberate to me that she looked so calmly at the dead bodies and picked up a gun. What do you guys think?[/quote]

    I don’t think Kate is converted/infected yet. Sawyer talked to MIB and doesn’t seem to be infected yet. Claire and Sayid were both hurt/dead before being infected.

  74. Hammer says:

    Comment 67, posted -1 years, 12 months ago – Quote and reply

    Looks like we are flashing sideways…LOL.

  75. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="371563"][quote comment="371555"][quote comment="371552"]I had trouble reading Kate’s face at the end of the episode. Patlocke out of the temple because he was there, but another part of me felt like she had been ‘converted’ and was now a part of MIB’s team. It seemed somewhat deliberate to me that she looked so calmly at the dead bodies and picked up a gun. What do you guys think?[/quote]
    Certainly possible…Claire had the ‘weird’ look before she wondered off.[/quote]
    I don’t think she is converted, I just said it’s possible.
    We’ve seen that Kate is very good at fitting in/laying low when she has to, to get the lay of the land. I think she is still being true to her mission to save Claire and get her reunited with Aaron.

    In the earlier seasons the main conflict was between Locke and Jack. Maybe that’s where we’re headed for the big showdown.[/quote]

  76. rowjimmy says:

    “We had an unfortunate incident with a boomerang” Sayid to Nadia. kind of ironic don’t you think

  77. losst says:

    The last scene – all I could think of was the song should be “Bad to the Bone” !! It would have fit great

  78. Jake says:

    If off-island is course-correcting, what happens to David Shepard?

  79. Shadow says:

    HOLY CRAP! That was an intense episode. LOVED the flash sideways of Sayid. Poor guy, no matter how hard he tries, he always ends up being a killer. I’m with the those who posted earlier that we aren’t going to get our major questions answered. I give up. I really would have loved a back story on Richard, DI, Hawking, Widmore, and all the other stories that we’ve tried to figure out for years. I just hope the ending is spectacular.

  80. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="371571"]If off-island is course-correcting, what happens to David Shepard?[/quote]
    Nothing, he is product of the new reality…if the new reality gets fixed (eliminated) then we won’t exist. IMO

  81. Hammer says:

    I meant HE won’t exist.

  82. Hammer says:

    Bedtime for Bonzo:

    Back to who is evil:

    Flocke sounds like Satan to me. “What if I said you could have anything in the world you wanted.”

    Sayid is making deals with Lucifer himself I think.

    Waiting to see the forbidden fruit, I am.

  83. ced913 says:

    I think that the “whatever happens happens” idea is still ringing true in the sideways world too. If you are generally more “evil” then you will be in the sideways world too – it might even come to find you – ie sayid, keamie, kate (murderer), charlie (drugie). If you are generally good, you will be rewarded/still good in the sideways world ie hurly, jack.

  84. freckles says:

    [quote comment="371546"]I wonder if a candidate will be able to kill MIB. Could Sayid not kill MIB because he was already infected or was Dogen just setting him up?[/quote]
    I was wondering the same. I think the writers put that scene in to show us that Locke could not be killed by stabbing and previously shooting didn’t work either. So how will they ever get rid of him unless the candidates do something. I take it that is the job Jack is supposed to do. It’s always been a Jack versus Locke issue, just like Jacob vrs. MIB.

  85. Shadow says:

    I keep thinking about dead Juliet’s words through Miles “It worked”. Hmmmm, my head hurts.

  86. rowjimmy says:

    [quote comment="371577"][quote comment="371546"]I wonder if a candidate will be able to kill MIB. Could Sayid not kill MIB because he was already infected or was Dogen just setting him up?[/quote]
    I was wondering the same. I think the writers put that scene in to show us that Locke could not be killed by stabbing and previously shooting didn’t work either. So how will they ever get rid of him unless the candidates do something. I take it that is the job Jack is supposed to do. It’s always been a Jack versus Locke issue, just like Jacob vrs. MIB.[/quote]
    The canidate to kill Flocke I think will be Sawyer.I’m holding out that he’s conning Flocke after Richards warning.

  87. ced913 says:

    Exactly! You cant con a con man.

    [quote comment="371579"][quote comment="371577"][quote comment="371546"]I wonder if a candidate will be able to kill MIB. Could Sayid not kill MIB because he was already infected or was Dogen just setting him up?[/quote]
    I was wondering the same. I think the writers put that scene in to show us that Locke could not be killed by stabbing and previously shooting didn’t work either. So how will they ever get rid of him unless the candidates do something. I take it that is the job Jack is supposed to do. It’s always been a Jack versus Locke issue, just like Jacob vrs. MIB.[/quote]
    The canidate to kill Flocke I think will be Sawyer.I’m holding out that he’s conning Flocke after Richards warning.[/quote]

  88. ninny says:

    Kate wasn’t wanted by Jacob’s side (others) before – assuming becasue she was a murderer. Flocke now accepts her because he knows what she did? He looked at her funny when she came out of the temple.

    I think MIB was locked in cabin this whole time and what Ben thought was Jacob was actually MIB. Nothing Ben seemed like it was good and then with the cancer he got, I would think it was a slap in the face from Jacob.

    But then how could Ben call smokie and why in season 3 did it “read” Juliet and then let her go without smashing her to pieces.

    I think Jack is going to have to decide to stay on island forever to be the protector.

    So many questions and I am guessing we will just have to accept not enough answers. I feel like I have spent way too many of my brain cells trying to figure out the mysteries of the island :-)

  89. Reenie says:

    Okay I have never posted on a blog about lost but i usually read after I’ve hashed out the episode with my brother and his girlfriend but tonight they’re watching late. I HAVE NEVER B EEN SO CREEPED OUT at the end of an episode. first of all the temple after the smokey massacre reminded me of the images after the Jonestown massacre in 1978. Then, the whole gang following man in Locke looked like zombies, and I am getting a real cult vibe from the whole thing, all the mental manipulation to get everyone to an us vs them mentality is so classic of a cult! Especially how dogan got there! Now that I’m getting these ideas, and the fact that 1978 specifically was being used in the plot of season 5, my brainspace is reeling with all new ideas about where this could go! this is not thought through, just an initial reaction to the show tonight so pitch in if you have comments about this thought. Also, still along the same lines, Kate will never buy in to any cult mentality or be brainwashed. Maybe this is how she is not a candidate, why she’s not on the list.

  90. Circus Mom says:

    I cheered when Sayid killed Keamey. Not so much when he killed Dogun and Lennon.

  91. LostJunkie says:

    Did anybody else LIKE when Sayid killed Dogen and Lennon? All this crap our Losties have gone through (and let’s take Sayid in particular), and some new people just imprison you and drown you and torture you and try to poison you and you’re supposed to just think they’re the good guys? Oh, and I forgot to mention that Dogen was hoping Sayid would get killed by the MIB when he gave him the dagger, and even acknowledges as much to Sayid after the fact. I don’t see why Dogen was a character we should have liked. At all. Even if he actually was one of the good guys, his behavior was that of a prick and I won’t miss him on the Island timeline even a little bit.

    I like seeing our Losties take control, even if it may prove to be the wrong thing to do! It’s as if they are saying “you think I’m a pawn in your little game? I’ll show you a pawn” haha.

    And I think that we will still get a lot of major answers before the end of the series. We may not get episodes with the entire backstories of Widmore, Hawking, etc, but I think we will get answers regarding them.

  92. Seajam says:

    [quote comment="371556"]So, Smokie and his killing abilities–obviously there are conditions to who he can kill and where and how. Some quality in DOGEN was what kept Smokie out of the Temple, not just the ash. The ash was rendered pointless after Dogen was killed.

    Didn’t/couldn’t kill Jacob, got Ben to do it for him. Didn’t/couldn’t kill Dogen, got Sayid to do it for him.
    Didn’t/couldn’t (?) kill Richard? (still kicking)
    Was told by kid in the forest, ‘you can’t kill him’ re: Sawyer. Other ‘Candidates’ in that same boat?

    What is lil’ Smokie made of? Magic, temper and nightmares? Like Rousseau said way back, a security system? Run amok??? How do you kill that???

    Both sides making promises to poor humans–do this for me and you get this. If I’m not lying to you and I don’t change my mind. And if you don’t end up dead in my cause.

    It’s tough to have the attention of a superbeing with an agenda, ain’t it?[/quote]

    This could be true of Dogen too. He didn’t kill Sayid himself when he had the chance and he sent Sayid twice to be killed by someone else. Is (or rather was) Dogen just a nice guy or was he following the same rules?

  93. LostGrrl says:

    [quote comment="371541"]2 cents:
    1) Is Sayid on the Dark side with Claire? I don’t think so…Kate is for sure NOT.
    [/quote]

    Sayid and Claire are definitely now on the dark side with MIB. Kate is not. For some reason, MIB has no plans to kill her, and it seems she’s going along for the ride until she gets her bearings.

    Sayid’s facial expressions and consistent little smile at the end leave no doubt that he’s officially not who he was. He’s gone.

    Wondering about the group of people with MIB at the end. Seems to be all men and one child. That’s not one of the kids who was with Cindy, was it?

  94. LostGrrl says:

    Interesting about Ben. At the end of last season and throughout this season he’s been a bewildered little boy. I have to remind myself not to feel sorry for him because of all the crap he put our Lost friends through for years.

    It seems he’s the only one still left at the Temple, now that Ilana and friends left him.

  95. Pterradon says:

    Claire must realize that Smokie had lied about Aaron being at the temple. She never looked for him before leaving with Flocke. So will she turn against him/it and go with Kate or will she stilll try to kill Kate like she said would if she found out that Kate raised her son?

  96. Lostfan says:

    [quote comment="371584"]Did anybody else LIKE when Sayid killed Dogen and Lennon? All this crap our Losties have gone through (and let’s take Sayid in particular), and some new people just imprison you and drown you and torture you and try to poison you and you’re supposed to just think they’re the good guys? Oh, and I forgot to mention that Dogen was hoping Sayid would get killed by the MIB when he gave him the dagger, and even acknowledges as much to Sayid after the fact. I don’t see why Dogen was a character we should have liked. At all. Even if he actually was one of the good guys, his behavior was that of a prick and I won’t miss him on the Island timeline even a little bit.

    I like seeing our Losties take control, even if it may prove to be the wrong thing to do! It’s as if they are saying “you think I’m a pawn in your little game? I’ll show you a pawn” haha.

    And I think that we will still get a lot of major answers before the end of the series. We may not get episodes with the entire backstories of Widmore, Hawking, etc, but I think we will get answers regarding them.[/quote]

    Totally loved them being killed off. We have no connection to Dogen and Lennon, and just because we heard a nice story about Dogen’s son didn’t make me like him anymore.

    Ben’s look at the end of the show? Priceless. Can’t help but like him once in a while.

    IMHO, Kate is faking to see what’s going on. They’ll come across Sawyer and Kate & Sawyer will kill a few off.

    Now…Where is Richard? Wasn’t it two episodes ago he was heading to the temple? Just how long does it take to get there anyway????

  97. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="371589"]Claire must realize that Smokie had lied about Aaron being at the temple. She never looked for him before leaving with Flocke. So will she turn against him/it and go with Kate or will she stilll try to kill Kate like she said would if she found out that Kate raised her son?[/quote]
    Flock didn’t tell Claire that Aaron was at the temple when he promosed to get him back. Claire had said that her friend told her the others had taken Aaron. But maiby he said others and not the others. Either way, Kate told Claire where Aaron is, or at least that she had raised him.

  98. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="371590"][quote comment="371584"][/quote]

    Now…Where is Richard? Wasn’t it two episodes ago he was heading to the temple? Just how long does it take to get there anyway????[/quote]
    Watching from the bushes…waiting for the urine stains to dry.

  99. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="371591"][quote comment="371589"]Claire must realize that Smokie had lied about Aaron being at the temple. She never looked for him before leaving with Flocke. So will she turn against him/it and go with Kate or will she stilll try to kill Kate like she said would if she found out that Kate raised her son?[/quote]
    Flock didn’t tell Claire that Aaron was at the temple when he promosed to get him back. Claire had said that her friend told her the others had taken Aaron. But maiby he said others and not the others. Either way, Kate told Claire where Aaron is, or at least that she had raised him.[/quote]
    Claire is infected and her heart has the ‘darkness’, but she has now been told twice that Kate knows where Aaron is and she may be starting to believe it now that Flocke has not lied to her about who has Aaron. ‘Evils’ are not to be trusted and I bet Claire turns on Flocke here before long.

  100. skate says:

    So where is Jin now? Last I remember seeing him is at Claire’s lair when Flocke showed up. I assumed he went w/them to the temple, but don’t know where he went from there. Was he with Locke at the end?

  101. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="371594"]So where is Jin now? Last I remember seeing him is at Claire’s lair when Flocke showed up. I assumed he went w/them to the temple, but don’t know where he went from there. Was he with Locke at the end?[/quote]
    I assume that Jin and Sawyer are together. Claire asked why one of them couldn’t go into the temple…so she knows they are being ‘kept’ by MIB.

  102. LostGrrl says:

    [/quote]
    Wondering about the group of people with MIB at the end. Seems to be all men and one child. That’s not one of the kids who was with Cindy, was it?[/quote]

    I take it back. This (http://getlostpodcast.iimmgg.com/image/5b0b0749eed0994268d2e94beae0a2eb) seems to indicate there are women and children with MIB now. Does it look like Cindy is among them? And if so, what does that mean? None of these followers have been “infected” like Claire and Sayid. Are they like lemmings, waiting to see if something better (ala Jacob) comes along?

  103. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="371596"][/quote]
    Wondering about the group of people with MIB at the end. Seems to be all men and one child. That’s not one of the kids who was with Cindy, was it?[/quote]

    I take it back. This (http://getlostpodcast.iimmgg.com/image/5b0b0749eed0994268d2e94beae0a2eb) seems to indicate there are women and children with MIB now. Does it look like Cindy is among them? And if so, what does that mean? None of these followers have been “infected” like Claire and Sayid. Are they like lemmings, waiting to see if something better (ala Jacob) comes along?[/quote]
    I agree that they are lemmings. They seem to have been all along. They ‘waited’ for the real Locke to be their new leader when Ben was falling out of favor. They just afraid of Sayid and when he comes back with a message, they(Cindy et al) believe him and decide to leave the temple and wait for Smokey to clean house…seemed like survival as opposed to fighting for a cause….

  104. Lind says:

    [quote comment="371597"][quote comment="371596"][/quote]
    Wondering about the group of people with MIB at the end. Seems to be all men and one child. That’s not one of the kids who was with Cindy, was it?[/quote]

    I take it back. This (http://getlostpodcast.iimmgg.com/image/5b0b0749eed0994268d2e94beae0a2eb) seems to indicate there are women and children with MIB now. Does it look like Cindy is among them? And if so, what does that mean? None of these followers have been “infected” like Claire and Sayid. Are they like lemmings, waiting to see if something better (ala Jacob) comes along?[/quote]
    I agree that they are lemmings. They seem to have been all along. They ‘waited’ for the real Locke to be their new leader when Ben was falling out of favor. They just afraid of Sayid and when he comes back with a message, they(Cindy et al) believe him and decide to leave the temple and wait for Smokey to clean house…seemed like survival as opposed to fighting for a cause….[/quote]

    Cindy is definitely with them, as are the two kids from the tail section.

    I think they just didn’t want to die… Cindy (and the rest) probably aren’t keen on following Locke, as they have spent several years as Jacob’s protectors, but they also know that there are no defenses against MIB without Jacob. Therefore, they decided to choose life… Cindy especially would have chosen that option to save the kids.

  105. C.RELLA says:

    [quote comment="371587"][quote comment="371541"]2 cents:
    1) Is Sayid on the Dark side with Claire? I don’t think so…Kate is for sure NOT.
    [/quote]

    Sayid and Claire are definitely now on the dark side with MIB. Kate is not. For some reason, MIB has no plans to kill her, and it seems she’s going along for the ride until she gets her bearings.

    Sayid’s facial expressions and consistent little smile at the end leave no doubt that he’s officially not who he was. He’s gone.

    Wondering about the group of people with MIB at the end. Seems to be all men and one child. That’s not one of the kids who was with Cindy, was it?[/quote]
    Me thinks Kate is totally faking until she figures out what to do…she is on her mission to get Claire. IMO Flocke doesn’t know about Kate. She is not on his Cave ceiling as one of the ‘numbers’. He did not address her by her name did he? She must be Jacob’s ace in the hole, secret weapon..cuz she was on the wheel #51 the flip of Sawyer #15

  106. C.RELLA says:

    Dogen…his story to Sayid made it sound like he had made a deal with the devil…jacob said come with me- forever-never see your ‘world’ or son again- and your son will live. Where all the others people brought to the island who could not return like Dogen?

  107. Jimbo says:

    Did anyone see when katie and claire left the temple see a cross burning in the courtyard? To me thats a great sign of symbolism….evil

  108. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="371600"]Dogen…his story to Sayid made it sound like he had made a deal with the devil…jacob said come with me- forever-never see your ‘world’ or son again- and your son will live. Where all the others people brought to the island who could not return like Dogen?[/quote]
    Yes, but it also seemed as though Sayid was making a deal with the devil too. With all the other clues we’ve been given, I still think MIB is the evil side.

  109. Aggie Mo says:

    [quote comment="371581"]Kate wasn’t wanted by Jacob’s side (others) before – assuming becasue she was a murderer. Flocke now accepts her because he knows what she did? He looked at her funny when she came out of the temple.

    I think MIB was locked in cabin this whole time and what Ben thought was Jacob was actually MIB. Nothing Ben seemed like it was good and then with the cancer he got, I would think it was a slap in the face from Jacob.

    But then how could Ben call smokie and why in season 3 did it “read” Juliet and then let her go without smashing her to pieces.
    )[/quote]

    I think it is because Juliet is “righteous”, and under protection somehow. They are working up this good vs. evil theme, and more than before they made it clear last night that MIB is like “Satan”. If so, then he has some power and authority, but that power is limited by “God”, the creative power for good. Maybe has has authority to kill and punish, but only the “sinners”, not the “righteous” ones under the protection of the good. He can also choose not to kill a sinner if he thinks he can manipulate him to get what he wants (Ben, Sayid e.g.).

    If the theme they are using is the Christian theme, then there must be an analog for Jesus — who is the protector (from John 10:27-29 in the Bible, Jesus speaking: “My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand.”)

    If this is the analogy, there will be a hero who will in the end destroy the evil one (MIB), probably in a surprising way. Just like in Christianity, Satan won a battle in getting Jesus killed, in the end that was the key step that wins the final war and leads to Satan’s demise.

    Could Jacob be the Jesus character? Could his death be analogous to Jesus death — the thing that led MIB to think he would win the ward, but in actuality, be the thing that leads to his demise?

    There could also be a Star Wars theme here — Obiwan Kenobi “If you strike me down I’ll become more powerful than you can image” he says to Darth Vader, and he is right and that eventually leads to the Dark Side’s demise.

    That is what I think is going on. I doubt it will be perfectly analogous to Christianity, but I think that will be the key theme in the end.

    So, each character will eventually take one of the two sides. Here are those that have already chosen so it seems:

    MIB: Claire, Sayid
    Jacob: Jack, Hurley, Ilana, Lapidus, Richard

    Undetermined: Sun, Jin, Sawyer, Kate

    I think that Ben thought he was working “for Jacob”, but I think when he was leader of the others, he actually fell under the influence of MIB, and so unknowingly did his bidding for him. Thus, I think that Ben has clearly chosen his lot with MIB and was the “betrayer” like Judas in Christianity.

    Sun and Jin, and Kate and Sawyer, I think could go either way. All have done evil things in their lives, and all have strived to become better people. That doesn’t mean they’ll end up on the good side, though, as evidenced by Sayid’s giving in to the “Dark Side”.

    If I had to guess, I would say that Sawyer and Kate will end up on the “good” side, as Sawyer seems protected from MIB (based on what the little boy said “you can’t kill him”), and I think both Sawyer and Kate are playing along with MIB to see what is going on. By the way, where has Sawyer been the past few episodes? I thought he was with MIB?

    Sun and Jin I expect will end up siding with MIB. Not sure why I think that, just a feeling. I hope I am wrong — I am really rooting for them to end up together and happy.

  110. Lind says:

    I thought this episode was great.

    So Sayid was dead, for two hours… and presumably brought back to life with the evil powers that be MIB?

    Interesting that both MIB and Jacob had propositions for their “pawns”:

    Jacob’s to Dogen was that he would bring his son back to life (or save his life?) for the exchange of his services, though Dogen would never be able to see his son again…

    MIB’s to Sayid was that he would bring Nadya back to life if Sayid would deliver a message (and I’m guessing then kill Dogen? I wonder if that was part of the deal or if Sayid just got a taste for blood…)

  111. Aggie Mo says:

    [quote comment="371584"]Did anybody else LIKE when Sayid killed Dogen and Lennon? All this crap our Losties have gone through (and let’s take Sayid in particular), and some new people just imprison you and drown you and torture you and try to poison you and you’re supposed to just think they’re the good guys? Oh, and I forgot to mention that Dogen was hoping Sayid would get killed by the MIB when he gave him the dagger, and even acknowledges as much to Sayid after the fact. I don’t see why Dogen was a character we should have liked. At all. Even if he actually was one of the good guys, his behavior was that of a prick and I won’t miss him on the Island timeline even a little bit.

    I like seeing our Losties take control, even if it may prove to be the wrong thing to do! It’s as if they are saying “you think I’m a pawn in your little game? I’ll show you a pawn” haha.

    .[/quote]

    I think with Sayid, in his mind he was “taking control”, in reality he was playing right into the hands of what MIB wanted, was manipulated by him, and now has given up his “soul” to him.

  112. Pterradon says:

    Previously when Miles had that funny look when looking at dead Sayid, I thought he knew something and wasn’t saying. Last night, he told Sayid that he was dead and that the others didn’t bring him to life, so that clears up the little question I had.

  113. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="371605"][quote comment="371584"]Did anybody else LIKE when Sayid killed Dogen and Lennon? All this crap our Losties have gone through (and let’s take Sayid in particular), and some new people just imprison you and drown you and torture you and try to poison you and you’re supposed to just think they’re the good guys? Oh, and I forgot to mention that Dogen was hoping Sayid would get killed by the MIB when he gave him the dagger, and even acknowledges as much to Sayid after the fact. I don’t see why Dogen was a character we should have liked. At all. Even if he actually was one of the good guys, his behavior was that of a prick and I won’t miss him on the Island timeline even a little bit.

    I like seeing our Losties take control, even if it may prove to be the wrong thing to do! It’s as if they are saying “you think I’m a pawn in your little game? I’ll show you a pawn” haha.

    .[/quote]

    I think with Sayid, in his mind he was “taking control”, in reality he was playing right into the hands of what MIB wanted, was manipulated by him, and now has given up his “soul” to him.[/quote]
    IMO, the latter. Claire ‘buried the hatchet’ too. The infection has reached their hearts…EVIL!!

  114. Aggie Mo says:

    [quote comment="371607"][quote comment="371605"][quote comment="371584"]Did anybody else LIKE when Sayid killed Dogen and Lennon? All this crap our Losties have gone through (and let’s take Sayid in particular), and some new people just imprison you and drown you and torture you and try to poison you and you’re supposed to just think they’re the good guys? Oh, and I forgot to mention that Dogen was hoping Sayid would get killed by the MIB when he gave him the dagger, and even acknowledges as much to Sayid after the fact. I don’t see why Dogen was a character we should have liked. At all. Even if he actually was one of the good guys, his behavior was that of a prick and I won’t miss him on the Island timeline even a little bit.

    I like seeing our Losties take control, even if it may prove to be the wrong thing to do! It’s as if they are saying “you think I’m a pawn in your little game? I’ll show you a pawn” haha.

    .[/quote]

    I think with Sayid, in his mind he was “taking control”, in reality he was playing right into the hands of what MIB wanted, was manipulated by him, and now has given up his “soul” to him.[/quote]
    IMO, the latter. Claire ‘buried the hatchet’ too. The infection has reached their hearts…EVIL!![/quote]
    Yes — I think Claire has done that too.

    And I think Ben has done that by his past actions, but hasn’t realized yet what he has done — that he has been a pawn of MIB all along, when he just thought he was acting in “his best interest”

  115. Lind says:

    [quote comment="371606"]Previously when Miles had that funny look when looking at dead Sayid, I thought he knew something and wasn’t saying. Last night, he told Sayid that he was dead and that the others didn’t bring him to life, so that clears up the little question I had.[/quote]

    I was wondering about his expression too… now I want to know if it’s because dead Sayid was saying odd things… doubt that will be addressed though =(

  116. Guttahman says:

    [quote comment="371522"][quote comment="371521"][quote comment="371516"]lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Distress_signal

    ‘Numbers’ in male voice lured the French science team. They changed it to an SOS once they found the radio tower.

    Charlie and Shannon have better lives in flash-sideways world because they AREN’T DEAD.

    Rundown car for Jack in LA? Probably smart. Rich doctor cars are stolen, carjacked, scratched & banged in parking lots. A reliable, old, 4WD rust-bucket probably means no worries on the mean streets of SoCal.[/quote]

    Do we know for a fact that Jack is a doctor in this sideways reality?[/quote]
    *************
    yes…he told John Locke he was a spinal surgeon![/quote]

    Jack also walked passed Sayid in the hospital, wouldnt surprise me if Jack is the one who performed the surgery on Omar either, or at least has something to do with it.

    Im guessing that Sawyer and Jin are either back at the MIB grotto or at Claires hut, she asked MIB why he couldnt get Sawyer or Jin to send the message so we know they are still around with MIB….Great ep btw

  117. Lind says:

    Re: Kate’s presence among Flocke’s “flock” – I don’t think Kate is at all involved, other than she’s trying to help Claire find Aaron, and she doesn’t know about Sayid’s evil doings… she was just following Sayid and doesn’t quite know what she’s getting herself into…

  118. Lind says:

    Interesting that sideways Sayid said he doesn’t deserve Nadya, and in the original timeline she’s killed off with the help of Jacob… I guess he really doesn’t deserve her.

    Especially not now, that cold-blooded murderer! Oy, so disappointed in Sayid!! I was truly hoping that the “good” in him would win out in the end… not just with this infection, but with the ongoing struggle he’s had with his dark past… and when he told Dogen “you don’t know me!!” I was hoping that meant that good Sayid would peservere. Sigh.

    Speaking of the Dogen/Sayid showdown – Dogen stopped when the baseball hit the floor. I am wondering if Ghost Jacob caused this to happen as a sign to Dogen to spare Sayid his life.

  119. cesco says:

    @Lind

    I don’t think smokie ever promised bringing Nadia back to life, only that Sayid would see her, that could mean anything. Does anyone remember that box that Ben talked about where anything you desire can come out? Also I’m fairly sure part of the bargain was to return the favor to Dogen and kill him, since he alone prevented Smokie from getting to the temple.

  120. Lostfan says:

    [quote comment="371612"]Interesting that sideways Sayid said he doesn’t deserve Nadya, and in the original timeline she’s killed off with the help of Jacob… I guess he really doesn’t deserve her.

    Especially not now, that cold-blooded murderer! Oy, so disappointed in Sayid!! I was truly hoping that the “good” in him would win out in the end… not just with this infection, but with the ongoing struggle he’s had with his dark past… and when he told Dogen “you don’t know me!!” I was hoping that meant that good Sayid would peservere. Sigh.

    Speaking of the Dogen/Sayid showdown – Dogen stopped when the baseball hit the floor. I am wondering if Ghost Jacob caused this to happen as a sign to Dogen to spare Sayid his life.[/quote]

    IMO, Jacob didn’t kill Nadia, he saved Sayid by calling him away from the oncoming car.

    Going back to the Christianity theme – since there seems to be some discussion about Jacob being good or bad…in the Bible – God puts all his followers through the worst hell and never tells them why. Noah, Moses, even his own son, Jesus. They have free will, and choose to follow God, yet he doesn’t do much in the way of making life easy on them. Very Jacob-esque. It’s way easier to follow MIB.

  121. cesco says:

    Was Dogen being literal to Sayid, when he told him not to let evil speak to him before killing it? After all Smokie managed to get the words “Hello Sayid” out before Sayid stabbed him. Or did Dogen know smokie would make an unresistable offer?

    Poor Sayid, in one timeline he punishes himself for not being a good man, and in the other he’s delusional in believing he is good. In either timeline regardless of his nature he is ultimately a killer, and has no control over it, as if determined by fate.

  122. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="371614"][quote comment="371612"]Interesting that sideways Sayid said he doesn’t deserve Nadya, and in the original timeline she’s killed off with the help of Jacob… I guess he really doesn’t deserve her.

    .[/quote]

    IMO, Jacob didn’t kill Nadia, he saved Sayid by calling him away from the oncoming car.

    Going back to the Christianity theme – since there seems to be some discussion about Jacob being good or bad…in the Bible – God puts all his followers through the worst hell and never tells them why. Noah, Moses, even his own son, Jesus. They have free will, and choose to follow God, yet he doesn’t do much in the way of making life easy on them. Very Jacob-esque. It’s way easier to follow MIB.[/quote]
    I agree with both points.

  123. Duke says:

    [quote comment="371558"][quote comment="371554"][quote comment="371548"]Dogen originally wanted Jack and Hurley for the mission to try to kill MIB but settled for Sayid when they couldn’t be found. Suggests it had to be a candidate and preferably not infected.[/quote]
    Dogen did tell Sayid if Flocke speaks to you it will be to late. Flocke said hello Sayid as soon as he appeared he must know the rule if that was a rule.
    Someone had the mentioned at the beginning of this season about all the “cigar boxes” showing up I think we found out tonigt they contain the dagger[/quote]
    I shouted at the TV to Sayid: “Don’t bother! He already said hello!”[/quote]

    I think that Dogen wanted Locke to kill Sayid for trying to kill him. Dogen knew that Sayid would not be able to kill him and just like at the 4-toes statue, they tried to kill Locke only to have him go all smoke monster on their asses. Same principle in my eyes.

  124. Duke says:

    [quote comment="371577"][quote comment="371546"]I wonder if a candidate will be able to kill MIB. Could Sayid not kill MIB because he was already infected or was Dogen just setting him up?[/quote]
    I was wondering the same. I think the writers put that scene in to show us that Locke could not be killed by stabbing and previously shooting didn’t work either. So how will they ever get rid of him unless the candidates do something. I take it that is the job Jack is supposed to do. It’s always been a Jack versus Locke issue, just like Jacob vrs. MIB.[/quote]

    Maybe MIB cannot be killed. A candidate to replace Jacob would be to only help balance the scales of good vs. evil. Dogen speech was very important. When he spoke about Sayid and the black side being more prominent now. MIB goal is to just run all over destroying and killing anything but something has to balance it out. I do not think that one or the other “winning” is the ultimate goal but rather a balance of goo/white vs. black/bad.

  125. C Bold says:

    My question is: If Sayid was “drowned” in the Temple pool only to awake again, how do we know that he somehow isn’t doing the right thing by “drowning”
    Dogen in the same water? MIB only asked him to deliver a message, but Jacob was the one who told the Losties to take Sayid to the Temple in the first place. Maybe Dogen will awaken again? Maybe inhabited by Jacob?

  126. Imlost says:

    Long time reader, first time commenter. Did anyone else think they heard a whisper when Sayid told Nadia he didn’t deserve her?

  127. Duke says:

    Sayid did leave Dogen and Lennon in the Temple healing springs. Which I find somewhat interesting. Dogen also never mentioned who made him a deal to bring his son back to life. I think we all assume that it was Jacob but one never knows. Also been thinking that MIB as been “in charge” all along. Jacob said last week that some people need to figure it out on their own. MIB seems to make promises and give people what they most desire to get them on his side. There is no way that Kate is on MIB side, for now. The look he gave her said to me something like “well, what do we have here.” He hadn’t expected her to be in “his” group or who the hell is this.

  128. Miraks says:

    I’m pretty sure that MIB knows who Kate is. I would assume that he is pleased to have her in his group (although she is not ONE of them necessarily) because she sure is a great “pawn” to play when it comes to either Sawyer or Jack.

  129. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="371621"]S Dogen also never mentioned who made him a deal to bring his son back to life. I think we all assume that it was Jacob but one never knows. [/quote]

    Dogen: A man I have never met…..never see my boy again.
    Sayid: Who was this man.
    Dogen: His name was Jacob.
    Sayid: Jacob drives a hard bargain.

  130. wallyp says:

    So, I’m convinced that the peices will all fall into place by the end. We know why Claire had that dream now years ago, locke with the black and white eyes… still to come, Locke standing on the beach surrounded by people who hate him…

    I found it interesting that Sayid said he did not deserve Nadia. Maybe what is better for him is that he can accept that in this timeline… or, is he being punished?

    Keemey was killed by Sayid before right? I cant remember entirely, didn’t keemey get shot in the back? And, is Keemeys money-lending via Widmore? I say yes…yes.

  131. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="371625"]

    Keemey was killed by Sayid before right? I cant remember entirely, didn’t keemey get shot in the back? And, is Keemeys money-lending via Widmore? I say yes…yes.[/quote]
    I am fairly certain he died when Ben stabbed him…for killing Alex.

  132. sector7 says:

    Dogen knew Sayid would not be able to kill Flocke. Sayid has gone too far to ‘deserve’ Nadia now. Even if Flocke does bring her back, she will not want Sayid because of what he’s done. Sayid and Sawyer must atone and turn on Flocke at the end.

    I’m reaching again, but I think FS Locke is coming to the island. Maybe only way to kill Smokie is for 4,8,15,16,23,42 to kill him together. I think Des is bringing Locke with help from Faraday and Hawking, and using Libby’s boat. Now that’s a far-reaching theory for you.

  133. Hurley's Dad says:

    [quote comment="371606"]Previously when Miles had that funny look when looking at dead Sayid, I thought he knew something and wasn’t saying. Last night, he told Sayid that he was dead and that the others didn’t bring him to life, so that clears up the little question I had.[/quote]

    I had thought the same thing. There has to be a reason for Miles to still be alive and a part of this storyline.

  134. wallyp says:

    [quote comment="371626"][quote comment="371625"]

    Keemey was killed by Sayid before right? I cant remember entirely, didn’t keemey get shot in the back? And, is Keemeys money-lending via Widmore? I say yes…yes.[/quote]
    I am fairly certain he died when Ben stabbed him…for killing Alex.[/quote]

    Ok, I had specifically remembered Sayid doing the same badass take two men out at once move to Keemeys thugs… I looked it up, Richard shot Keemey, who had a bullet proof vest, THEN Sayid stabbed him in the back,,, (but he still didn’t die…) Ben eventually stabbed the sh** out of him in the orchard. SO?… maybe that means Keemey isnt dead in the sideways? either…

  135. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="371629"][quote comment="371626"][quote comment="371625"]

    Keemey was killed by Sayid before right? I cant remember entirely, didn’t keemey get shot in the back? And, is Keemeys money-lending via Widmore? I say yes…yes.[/quote]
    I am fairly certain he died when Ben stabbed him…for killing Alex.[/quote]

    Ok, I had specifically remembered Sayid doing the same badass take two men out at once move to Keemeys thugs… I looked it up, Richard shot Keemey, who had a bullet proof vest, THEN Sayid stabbed him in the back,,, (but he still didn’t die…) Ben eventually stabbed the sh** out of him in the orchard.

    SO?… maybe that means Keemey isnt dead in the sideways? either…[/quote]
    Maybe, but I still think they told us about course correction for a reason and so I think Keamy is dead in the FS because Keamy is supposed to die.

  136. Pterradon says:

    When Kate left with Flocke at the end of the show, wasn’t that the first time she has seen Locke alive? And she doesn’t know that Locke is Flocke/Smokie/MIB yet, does she? She didn’t seem too surprised to see Locke. Maybe in all the excitement of finding Claire, she forgot he was dead.

  137. Lind says:

    [quote comment="371631"]When Kate left with Flocke at the end of the show, wasn’t that the first time she has seen Locke alive? And she doesn’t know that Locke is Flocke/Smokie/MIB yet, does she? She didn’t seem too surprised to see Locke. Maybe in all the excitement of finding Claire, she forgot he was dead.[/quote]

    I thought she looked very surprised to see Locke… horrified even

  138. wallyp says:

    [quote comment="371630"][quote comment="371629"][quote comment="371626"][quote comment="371625"]

    Keemey was killed by Sayid before right? I cant remember entirely, didn’t keemey get shot in the back? And, is Keemeys money-lending via Widmore? I say yes…yes.[/quote]
    I am fairly certain he died when Ben stabbed him…for killing Alex.[/quote]

    Ok, I had specifically remembered Sayid doing the same badass take two men out at once move to Keemeys thugs… I looked it up, Richard shot Keemey, who had a bullet proof vest, THEN Sayid stabbed him in the back,,, (but he still didn’t die…) Ben eventually stabbed the sh** out of him in the orchard.

    SO?… maybe that means Keemey isnt dead in the sideways? either…[/quote]
    Maybe, but I still think they told us about course correction for a reason and so I think Keamy is dead in the FS because Keamy is supposed to die.[/quote]

    My point is that maybe not by Sayid… Sayid planted a knife into Keamys back, and he didn’t die… plus he was wearing a bullet proof vest…(the last time) There have been some far fetched reasons in the past why people didn’t die, if I’m not mistaken. Remember Michael crashed his car? That was a DEATH crash …just sayin’ Think the FS will pick up where it left off with Sayid and Jin? BAM Keamy comes back for more…

  139. black rock n roller says:

    I have only posted once on this blog… and while i agree with a lot of what is said, I am constantly entertained by what you all think. I have alwasy thought that thier is meaning in everything dealing with the show…not just during episdoes.

    I’m sure most of you ahve seen the last supper promo pic from before the season started…if not…http://catholickermit.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/lost-supperbig2.jpg)here it is.

    Since this episode seemed to be about taking sides, i think this photo reveals a ton…and yes I can even see Richard and Llana going that way… Thoughts???

  140. wallyp says:

    [quote comment="371632"][quote comment="371631"]When Kate left with Flocke at the end of the show, wasn’t that the first time she has seen Locke alive? And she doesn’t know that Locke is Flocke/Smokie/MIB yet, does she? She didn’t seem too surprised to see Locke. Maybe in all the excitement of finding Claire, she forgot he was dead.[/quote]

    I thought she looked very surprised to see Locke… horrified even[/quote]

    Kate knows hes dead,,, shes just trying to get her head around the whole situation. What does she know about the temple, not much. All she knows is that she better grab a bigger gun.

  141. Pterradon says:

    [quote comment="371635"][quote comment="371632"][quote comment="371631"]When Kate left with Flocke at the end of the show, wasn’t that the first time she has seen Locke alive? And she doesn’t know that Locke is Flocke/Smokie/MIB yet, does she? She didn’t seem too surprised to see Locke. Maybe in all the excitement of finding Claire, she forgot he was dead.[/quote]

    I thought she looked very surprised to see Locke… horrified even[/quote]

    Kate knows hes dead,,, shes just trying to get her head around the whole situation. What does she know about the temple, not much. All she knows is that she better grab a bigger gun.[/quote]
    True, she could be assessing a very strange situation and going along with everyone until she knows what to do. I hadn’t thought of it like that.

  142. Lola says:

    [quote comment="371542"]So I take it that you guys don’t watch ABC except for Tuesdays 9/8C? Wow. I know ya’ll are really into this stuff and I get the spoiler rules, but give me a break. The commercial runs right after the freakin episode and then it runs ALL WEEK. I’m not giving away top secret knowledge that will ruin the viewing experience.[/quote]

    honestly the previews never tell us anything & what they suggest never happens. It’s kind of funny cuz the announcer is always like “no more fooling around, next week blah, blah, blah…” then next week comes & *surprise* we still don’t know what the hell is going on.

  143. JustProgress... says:

    Quick question. How did Jacob pass this “power” to Dogan that Dogan was the only thing keeping MIB out? Is Dogan considered somewhat of a candidate because he was chosen by Jacob to protect the temple? I was also extremely happy to see Dogan and Lennon get killed. I was cheering Sayid on. I don’t know if anyone else feels this way but I am oddly finding myself secretley rooting for the darkside, out of shear revenge for all of the crap the losties have taken form the island.

  144. TD says:

    [quote comment="371635"][quote comment="371632"][quote comment="371631"]When Kate left with Flocke at the end of the show, wasn’t that the first time she has seen Locke alive? And she doesn’t know that Locke is Flocke/Smokie/MIB yet, does she? She didn’t seem too surprised to see Locke. Maybe in all the excitement of finding Claire, she forgot he was dead.[/quote]

    I thought she looked very surprised to see Locke… horrified even[/quote]

    Kate knows hes dead,,, shes just trying to get her head around the whole situation. What does she know about the temple, not much. All she knows is that she better grab a bigger gun.[/quote]

    Agreed– she seems to be like “eh” about the dead bodies but figures that they won’t be needing their weapons anymore!

  145. Bromsbie says:

    What if Jacob is the bad guy afterall. Smokey seems to fair ot at least he gives fair-warnings in his killings. Even with Mr. Eko he had him confront his brother in a way to understand and accept his own ending.

    So far, people who followed Jacob around are at the very short end of the stick. they are being manipulated at very bad junctures in their lives and they are dying in droves!!!

  146. TD says:

    [quote comment="371628"][quote comment="371606"]Previously when Miles had that funny look when looking at dead Sayid, I thought he knew something and wasn’t saying. Last night, he told Sayid that he was dead and that the others didn’t bring him to life, so that clears up the little question I had.[/quote]

    I had thought the same thing. There has to be a reason for Miles to still be alive and a part of this storyline.[/quote]

    What is Miles’ role in this whole thing— why is he still alive?

  147. TD says:

    [quote comment="371628"][quote comment="371606"]Previously when Miles had that funny look when looking at dead Sayid, I thought he knew something and wasn’t saying. Last night, he told Sayid that he was dead and that the others didn’t bring him to life, so that clears up the little question I had.[/quote]

    I had thought the same thing. There has to be a reason for Miles to still be alive and a part of this storyline.[/quote]

    Why is Miles’ role in this whole thing— why is he still alive?

  148. Miraks says:

    Questions answered in this episode.

    1. Sayid realy was dead, and he was not brought back to life by anyone at the temple.

    2. The symbolism of the scales, black and white.

    3. I am afraid Sayid has gone over to the dark side.

  149. Miraks says:

    [quote comment="371640"]What if Jacob is the bad guy afterall. Smokey seems to fair ot at least he gives fair-warnings in his killings. Even with Mr. Eko he had him confront his brother in a way to understand and accept his own ending.

    So far, people who followed Jacob around are at the very short end of the stick. they are being manipulated at very bad junctures in their lives and they are dying in droves!!![/quote]

    I just don’t see it. With Eko he was trying to manipulate him, but Eko had chosen the “right” path and decided he would rather die and ask for his sins to be forgiven, than to join “his brother” and continue down the dark path.

    I think the difference is that Jacob asks people to choose based on faith. Dogen was told he could save his son, but could not see him ever again. He had to have complete faith in Jacob and believe that it would realy happen.

  150. TD says:

    [quote comment="371644"][quote comment="371640"]What if Jacob is the bad guy afterall. Smokey seems to fair ot at least he gives fair-warnings in his killings. Even with Mr. Eko he had him confront his brother in a way to understand and accept his own ending.

    So far, people who followed Jacob around are at the very short end of the stick. they are being manipulated at very bad junctures in their lives and they are dying in droves!!![/quote]

    I just don’t see it. With Eko he was trying to manipulate him, but Eko had chosen the “right” path and decided he would rather die and ask for his sins to be forgiven, than to join “his brother” and continue down the dark path.

    I think the difference is that Jacob asks people to choose based on faith. Dogen was told he could save his son, but could not see him ever again. He had to have complete faith in Jacob and believe that it would realy happen.[/quote]

    FAITH…..

  151. C Bold says:

    Ummmm……where’s Walt? Isn’t he on the poster for this Season?

  152. Bromsbie says:

    [quote comment="371644"][quote comment="371640"]What if Jacob is the bad guy afterall. Smokey seems to fair ot at least he gives fair-warnings in his killings. Even with Mr. Eko he had him confront his brother in a way to understand and accept his own ending.

    So far, people who followed Jacob around are at the very short end of the stick. they are being manipulated at very bad junctures in their lives and they are dying in droves!!![/quote]

    I just don’t see it. With Eko he was trying to manipulate him, but Eko had chosen the “right” path and decided he would rather die and ask for his sins to be forgiven, than to join “his brother” and continue down the dark path.

    I think the difference is that Jacob asks people to choose based on faith. Dogen was told he could save his son, but could not see him ever again. He had to have complete faith in Jacob and believe that it would realy happen.[/quote]

    You follow Smokey, you tend to survive or even come back from the dead. You follow Jacob, chances are you spend years in a state of utter confusion and the you die…. Not sure I see it but then again that’s what most religions are about, blind faith with mass death attributed. Go figure.

  153. LizS says:

    [quote comment="371618"][quote comment="371577"][quote comment="371546"]…
    Maybe MIB cannot be killed. A candidate to replace Jacob would be to only help balance the scales of good vs. evil. Dogen speech was very important. When he spoke about Sayid and the black side being more prominent now. MIB goal is to just run all over destroying and killing anything but something has to balance it out. I do not think that one or the other “winning” is the ultimate goal but rather a balance of goo/white vs. black/bad.[/quote]
    I don’t know that we’re 100% clear on MIB’s goal–he says of himself that he wants to ‘go home’–others say of him he wants to ‘kill every living thing on this island’ (Dogen) and however Richard put it, but basically the same thing, kill everyone you care about (to Sawyer). How much can you trust of anything any of those people say about one another?

    Re: Winning & Balance–I see what you’re saying, Duke. I think that is true, Evil can’t be eliminated, but a balance between good & evil needs to be achieved–in the world, and in the individual, with human conscience riding the divide and deciding how the individual acts.

    With Sayid, we see it fall one way on island, and the other way in Sideways.

    I think Sayid is a great, tortured character, and part of what made him great is that he looked the darkest parts of himself right in the eye, and mostly decided to choose good. He wants redemption, he WANTS to be good, do right, love, be loved, but he knows the darkness is THERE. Does he deserve good things? He doesn’t think so. No denying he did some awful things.

    And yet…FS Sayid looked Keamy clearly in the eyes, and saw the evil in him, and he was able to eliminate it in order to protect those he loved.

    I don’t think sideways Sayid understands that sometimes you need that dark side to save your life and the lives of those you love. Will he forgive himself? Probably not. But he did the right thing.

  154. LizS says:

    Crumbs, messed up the formatting! sorry

  155. Dukester says:

    Ok, so Ilana took Lapidus et al to the temple to do…what exactly? Show them how to leave via the backdoor? “Let’s go back to the beach, everyone!” They must have some serious food rations in those backpacks, or else the Lost writers have never been hiking.

  156. C Bold says:

    You have to keep in mind that for years now the show has been based off of Locke (a man of faith) vs Jack (a man of science).

  157. Duke says:

    [quote comment="371623"][quote comment="371621"]S Dogen also never mentioned who made him a deal to bring his son back to life. I think we all assume that it was Jacob but one never knows. [/quote]

    Dogen: A man I have never met…..never see my boy again.
    Sayid: Who was this man.
    Dogen: His name was Jacob.
    Sayid: Jacob drives a hard bargain.[/quote]
    I forgot that part. Thanks.

  158. LostGrrl says:

    [quote comment="371647"][quote comment="371644"][quote comment="371640"]What if Jacob is the bad guy afterall. Smokey seems to fair ot at least he gives fair-warnings in his killings. Even with Mr. Eko he had him confront his brother in a way to understand and accept his own ending.

    So far, people who followed Jacob around are at the very short end of the stick. they are being manipulated at very bad junctures in their lives and they are dying in droves!!![/quote]

    I just don’t see it. With Eko he was trying to manipulate him, but Eko had chosen the “right” path and decided he would rather die and ask for his sins to be forgiven, than to join “his brother” and continue down the dark path.

    I think the difference is that Jacob asks people to choose based on faith. Dogen was told he could save his son, but could not see him ever again. He had to have complete faith in Jacob and believe that it would realy happen.[/quote]

    You follow Smokey, you tend to survive or even come back from the dead. You follow Jacob, chances are you spend years in a state of utter confusion and the you die…. Not sure I see it but then again that’s what most religions are about, blind faith with mass death attributed. Go figure.[/quote]

    I’m in the “Jacob is good” camp. He’s all about free will. MIB drafts people to join him by making promises. Deals with the devil. I take comfort in the fact that Jacob doesn’t seem very concerned that his candidates aren’t doing so well yet. He seems to know that the end game will go his way.

    I definitely think it’s Widmore coming to the island. That he’s been fighting on Jacob’s side all along. At least I hope so. For most of Lost, we were dealing with Widmore vs. Ben. I have faith that the producers won’t drop that whole storyline in favor of Jacob vs. MIB.

  159. LizS says:

    [quote comment="371638"]Quick question. How did Jacob pass this “power” to Dogan that Dogan was the only thing keeping MIB out? Is Dogan considered somewhat of a candidate because he was chosen by Jacob to protect the temple? I was also extremely happy to see Dogan and Lennon get killed. I was cheering Sayid on. I don’t know if anyone else feels this way but I am oddly finding myself secretley rooting for the darkside, out of shear revenge for all of the crap the losties have taken form the island.[/quote]
    All you Dogen Haters, wow!

    Dogen and Lennon were quintessential Others, IMO–bada$$, secretive, manipulative, liars. But not altogether terrible, LOL! I definitely don’t think Sayid should have killed them–nobody was trying to kill him at the time, Sayid was just doing what he was told, with joy in the act. I miss Sayid!!!

    Sure, Sayid got treated terribly–but do we know what the Others know about the Infected?

    Not really, only what they tell us, and what Danielle told us, and we can’t be SURE it’s true, that Sayid-infected=Sayid-is-gone—but it sure looks like it!

  160. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="371652"][quote comment="371623"][quote comment="371621"]S Dogen also never mentioned who made him a deal to bring his son back to life. I think we all assume that it was Jacob but one never knows. [/quote]

    Dogen: A man I have never met…..never see my boy again.
    Sayid: Who was this man.
    Dogen: His name was Jacob.
    Sayid: Jacob drives a hard bargain.[/quote]
    I forgot that part. Thanks.[/quote]
    Fo sho…we all do.

  161. FrankS says:

    Question – did I miss something?

    Dogen: “He is evil incarnate.” (referring to MIB)

    Flocke – His behavior and words are like the devil’s – killed everyone at the temple; offered that which cannot be offered to Sayid for basically Sayid’s soul.

    What leads some to still question whether MIB is evil and Jacob is good?

    Not sure i understand why there is still a question.

    Can someone help?

  162. Miraks says:

    OK, so this has been bothering me since last week.

    We see Jack’s son David playing the same piece by CHopin that we saw Daniel Farraday play when he was a child. Can’t be just coincidance. Does that mean that David and Daniel are related somehow? I know that Daniel was Mrs. Hawkin’s son, but did he have a sister that might be (have been) married to Jack?

  163. Miraks says:

    [quote comment="371657"]Question – did I miss something?

    Dogen: “He is evil incarnate.” (referring to MIB)

    Flocke – His behavior and words are like the devil’s – killed everyone at the temple; offered that which cannot be offered to Sayid for basically Sayid’s soul.

    What leads some to still question whether MIB is evil and Jacob is good?

    Not sure i understand why there is still a question.

    Can someone help?[/quote]

    I agree. To me the sides are pretty clear.

  164. Jaime says:

    [quote comment="371638"]Quick question. How did Jacob pass this “power” to Dogan that Dogan was the only thing keeping MIB out?[/quote]

    *******************************************

    My questiona exactly. Why did Lennon say that Dogan was the only person keeping Smoky out of the Temple? What was the significance of the baseball dropping off the table? His whole demeanor changed.

  165. Miraks says:

    Lost- last scene:

    Two people sitting on the beach.
    1: I realy wish I could kill you.
    2: I know.

    1&2-
    a-Jack and Sawyer?
    b-Kate and Claire?
    c-Jack and Locke?

  166. Aggie Mo says:

    [quote comment="371660"][quote comment="371638"]Quick question. How did Jacob pass this “power” to Dogan that Dogan was the only thing keeping MIB out?[/quote]

    *******************************************

    My questiona exactly. Why did Lennon say that Dogan was the only person keeping Smoky out of the Temple? What was the significance of the baseball dropping off the table? His whole demeanor changed.[/quote]

    It reminded him of his son, and the deal he made with Jacob. My guess is that deal prohibited him from killing anyone

  167. Aggie Mo says:

    [quote comment="371660"][quote comment="371638"]Quick question. How did Jacob pass this “power” to Dogan that Dogan was the only thing keeping MIB out?[/quote]

    *******************************************

    My questiona exactly. Why did Lennon say that Dogan was the only person keeping Smoky out of the Temple? What was the significance of the baseball dropping off the table? His whole demeanor changed.[/quote]

    It reminded him of his son, and the deal he made with Jacob. My guess is that deal prohibited him from killing anyone[quote comment="371661"]Lost- last scene:

    Two people sitting on the beach.
    1: I realy wish I could kill you.
    2: I know.

    1&2-
    a-Jack and Sawyer?
    b-Kate and Claire?
    c-Jack and Locke?[/quote]

    d- Jack and Kate?

  168. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="371661"]Lost- last scene:

    Two people sitting on the beach.
    1: I realy wish I could kill you.
    2: I know.

    1&2-
    a-Jack and Sawyer?
    b-Kate and Claire?
    c-Jack and Locke?[/quote]
    E MIB and Jacob…

  169. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="371609"][quote comment="371606"]Previously when Miles had that funny look when looking at dead Sayid, I thought he knew something and wasn’t saying. Last night, he told Sayid that he was dead and that the others didn’t bring him to life, so that clears up the little question I had.[/quote]

    I was wondering about his expression too… now I want to know if it’s because dead Sayid was saying odd things… doubt that will be addressed though =([/quote]
    When Miles was sitting over Dead Sayid and Hurley asked “What” Miles said “Nothing”> I think he meant he couldn’t read anything from dead Sayid and he thought that was strange.

  170. Bobola says:

    [quote comment="371583"]I cheered when Sayid killed Keamey. Not so much when he killed Dogun and Lennon.[/quote]
    ——–
    I loved it when that Hippy guy with glasses got it. He was soooo annoying. Good or Bad; he deserved the Shiv.

    But as usual I’ve got my complaints.
    Last weeks show was so dismal I couldn’t even read the LOST blog. Depressing. I so want to punch a Cello player in the face.

    …again with the sappy crap.
    We go from the Show tuggin at the heart strings with Jack and his son done Hallmark Cards style (with a piano recital to boot! uuugh!) to now trying to get us all teary over poor Sayid.
    Screw Sayid; he made his bed…and lest we forget …the man has many victims. I’m a bit tired of the dreamy big eyes taking the place of real drama, sense, or acting & dialogue.

    Well, I seem to be reading the writers minds;
    I complained that food and water are never discussed…and the lat two shows they allow a little reality to leak in.
    And they brought back Keamy! But now he’s dead again…all that lovely menace gone too soon again.
    But can Patchy be far behind?

    For me the show has gone off the road and into the jungle. They are throwing anything at us they can…seems so desperate.

    The scene at the Fort was silly; There are guards with guns…yet when Sayid returns…no one seems concerned that much; Sayid just wanders in to see the Head Sushi Chef and there are NO GUARDS at all even though Sayid has been labeled as “EVIL!”.
    Yup, dat makes sense.

    After Dogen gets his Last Onsen bath…Four Eyes wanders in ala “You killed Kenny…You bastard!” And doesn’t seem to wonder that Sayid just MIGHT be dangerous… and kill him….hunh?
    So, it’s all free form improv now to me. But I’m like a Junkie who wants to quit…

    At the later part of Smokey’s attack, in wander the other Losties They must have been attracted by all the carnage thinkin; hey this looks like a cool party! Let’s check it out.

    Kate may be on her way to Smirk-Du-Solay with that acrobatic move at the Pit…but she just shuuda told Claire;
    “A DINGO ATE YOUR BABY!”

    Coming soon; Claire’s vengeance on Freckles….and saved in the nick of time by Sawyer, but sans Cello music….maybe some staccato strings.

  171. Hammer says:

    On another blog, I wondered about the song Catch A Falling Star, Claire was singing and was being played during the carnage scene.

    Turns out it’s been referenced five times. The last two being in Sundown. The first three in connection with Aaron.

    A hint that Aaron is coming back to the island?
    +++++++++++

    1) Claire requests that the Stewarts (Aaron’s prospective adoptive parents) sing “Catch a Falling Star” to the child after it is born, just as her father had done for her. (“Raised by Another”)
    (It’s later revealed (“Par Avion”) that her father is Christian Shephard and that he sang to her as a baby, although this song is not specifically mentioned.)

    2) The melody from “Catch a Falling Star” plays on the Oceanic airplane mobile hanging above the crib in the Staff nursery. (“Maternity Leave”)

    3) Kate sings “Catch a Falling Star” to Aaron as she carries him from her car to Cassidy Phillips’ house. (“Whatever Happened, Happened”).

    4) Claire sings “Catch a Falling Star” when she is in The Hole. (“Sundown”)

    5) The melody also plays as Sayid, Kate, and Claire walk through the Temple after it had been destroyed by the Man in Black.

  172. Jaime says:

    [quote comment="371662"][quote comment="371660"][quote comment="371638"]Quick question. How did Jacob pass this “power” to Dogan that Dogan was the only thing keeping MIB out?[/quote]

    *******************************************

    My questiona exactly. Why did Lennon say that Dogan was the only person keeping Smoky out of the Temple? What was the significance of the baseball dropping off the table? His whole demeanor changed.[/quote]

    It reminded him of his son, and the deal he made with Jacob. My guess is that deal prohibited him from killing anyone[/quote]
    **********************************

    That makes sense :)

    I’m waiting to find out why the ash didnt work without the life of Dogan. Or it could be that Claire kicked a path through it.

    IMHO i think the money that Jin had at the airport was meant for Keamy. The confiscation of the money by security led Keamy and team keeping Jin in the cooler…no $$ no life?
    Maybe the watch was to go to Keamy all along as well.

  173. Miss lost says:

    [quote comment="371548"]Dogen originally wanted Jack and Hurley for the mission to try to kill MIB but settled for Sayid when they couldn’t be found. Suggests it had to be a candidate and preferably not infected.[/quote]
    **************
    not sure if that was their original mission. He wanted to get them out of the temple so they did not get killed and he needed them to see the lighthouse…
    not sure who has to kill MIB. I would like to think it is going to be Sawyer…but that is just a guess, and I think it might be Llana who is going to know how to do it.

  174. Aggie Mo says:

    [quote comment="371669"][quote comment="371548"]Dogen originally wanted Jack and Hurley for the mission to try to kill MIB but settled for Sayid when they couldn’t be found. Suggests it had to be a candidate and preferably not infected.[/quote]
    **************
    not sure if that was their original mission. He wanted to get them out of the temple so they did not get killed and he needed them to see the lighthouse…
    not sure who has to kill MIB. I would like to think it is going to be Sawyer…but that is just a guess, and I think it might be Llana who is going to know how to do it.[/quote]

    I don’t think Dogen was in the loop with (ghost) Jacob. Jacob appeared to Hurley and told him to take Jack the lighthouse, while Dogen clearly didn’t know about this, and they made it a point to sneak out without his knowledge.

  175. Aggie Mo says:

    [quote comment="371666"][quote comment="371583"]

    After Dogen gets his Last Onsen bath…Four Eyes wanders in ala “You killed Kenny…You bastard!”[/quote]

    lol!

  176. Miss lost says:

    [quote comment="371552"]I had trouble reading Kate’s face at the end of the episode. Part of me thought she was confused and just following Flocke out of the temple because he was there, but another part of me felt like she had been ‘converted’ and was now a part of MIB’s team. It seemed somewhat deliberate to me that she looked so calmly at the dead bodies and picked up a gun. What do you guys think?[/quote]
    ***************
    I don’t think Kate is going to be on MIB side and definitely not converted. I think things happened SO fast she is just being smart until she has time to digest the situation. She is dealing with a bunch of dead people, a bizarre Claire, and an Alive Locke!
    they have proved she has good instincts and survival skills so I think she will go along until she figures something else out.

  177. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="371669"][quote comment="371548"][/quote]

    not sure who has to kill MIB. I would like to think it is going to be Sawyer…but that is just a guess, and I think it might be Llana who is going to know how to do it.[/quote]
    Speaking of Ilana. I bet she wasn’t ‘touched’ by Jacob during his visit in Russia because he was making a deal like Dogen’s. Touching seemed to be ‘steering’ folks to make choices. Deal making seemed to be agreeing to help for a price. She may have been on her death bed when Jacob arrived.

  178. Jaime says:

    Have we found out what the hieroglyph symbol on the temple wall is yet?
    I can’t seem to find it discussed above.
    It was the same tile that Hurley was looking at when Dogan found him in the hallway. Was that the same door that Jack and Hurley used to get out of the Temple to find the lighthouse?

  179. Miss lost says:

    [quote comment="371575"]Bedtime for Bonzo:

    Back to who is evil:

    Flocke sounds like Satan to me. “What if I said you could have anything in the world you wanted.”

    Sayid is making deals with Lucifer himself I think.

    Waiting to see the forbidden fruit, I am.[/quote]
    ******************
    I know there could be a plot twist and all that we thought was evil was not and it was really Jacob who was evil but I too am sticking with MIB or Flocke as being evil. He just gives me the creaps and yes it is like making a deal with the devil. Look at how horrible and creapy Claire looks.
    He is like all the evil dictators throughout history…he is building his army by intimidation. First they eliminate any possible threat, then they coerce people into following them…if you don’t join you will be killed! He is evil.
    I am not sure where home is, but he does not want to go there for a good reason.

  180. Leslie says:

    [quote comment="371589"]Claire must realize that Smokie had lied about Aaron being at the temple. She never looked for him before leaving with Flocke. So will she turn against him/it and go with Kate or will she stilll try to kill Kate like she said would if she found out that Kate raised her son?[/quote]

    Hmmm, I didn’t think of this right away. Claire MUST know that Flock lied to her. Maybe she and Kate had a little conversation in the pit and they are going to unite against him? Sayid deserves an Oscar for the last few minutes of last night’s performance. That look of amused evil–so creepy. As the three of them walked out with Flocke, looking all lifeless, all I could think of was holy Night of the Living Dead. As always, can’t wait for next week.

  181. Jaime says:

    [quote comment="371673"][quote comment="371669"][quote comment="371548"][/quote]

    not sure who has to kill MIB. I would like to think it is going to be Sawyer…but that is just a guess, and I think it might be Llana who is going to know how to do it.[/quote]
    Speaking of Ilana. I bet she wasn’t ‘touched’ by Jacob during his visit in Russia because he was making a deal like Dogen’s. Touching seemed to be ‘steering’ folks to make choices. Deal making seemed to be agreeing to help for a price. She may have been on her death bed when Jacob arrived.[/quote]
    ******************************************

    I remember this scene, Jacob wore gloves when he visited her. Maybe this was done purposefully.

  182. C Bold says:

    [quote comment="371674"]Have we found out what the hieroglyph symbol on the temple wall is yet?
    I can’t seem to find it discussed above.
    It was the same tile that Hurley was looking at when Dogan found him in the hallway. Was that the same door that Jack and Hurley used to get out of the Temple to find the lighthouse?[/quote]
    I could be wrong but I believe its the symbol for “Omega”. I’m not exactly sure what it has to do with anything, but yes it is the same stone/door that Hurley and Jack used.

  183. C Bold says:

    Although Omega could be interpreted as another word for “The End”.

  184. Jaime says:

    [quote comment="371679"]Although Omega could be interpreted as another word for “The End”.[/quote]
    ******************************

    What do you think of this??? Found on Lostpedia-Non-Cannon

    Shen ring: the hieroglyph tile on the wall in the temple hallway that Ilana pushes to open the secret passage is a Shen ring. The Shen ring is an ancient Egyptian symbol of eternity and protection. In ancient Egypt, the Shen Ring also represents dual concepts of time; the cyclic line of periodicity and lineal time (into infinity).

    Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shen_ring

  185. Lind says:

    I just in the LA Times recap of this episode something that I had completely forgotten about – that Juliet agreed to go the island after she was assured her sister would live… similar to Dogen agreeing to Island Service after Jacob promises to save his son.

  186. Miss lost says:

    [quote comment="371676"][quote comment="371589"]Claire must realize that Smokie had lied about Aaron being at the temple. She never looked for him before leaving with Flocke. So will she turn against him/it and go with Kate or will she stilll try to kill Kate like she said would if she found out that Kate raised her son?[/quote]

    Hmmm, I didn’t think of this right away. Claire MUST know that Flock lied to her. Maybe she and Kate had a little conversation in the pit and they are going to unite against him?

    Sayid deserves an Oscar for the last few minutes of last night’s performance. That look of amused evil–so creepy. As the three of them walked out with Flocke, looking all lifeless, all I could think of was holy Night of the Living Dead. As always, can’t wait for next week.[/quote]
    *****************

    I don’t think that Kate and Claire had time to discuss much more than what we saw. I think that look on Claire’s face was more like, “You are dead.” I think she is under MIB influence as well as being infected. She is not in her right mind anymore.
    I guess my question is can they (her and Sayid) be saved? Can their hearts be cleansed? If Aaron were indeed able to be reunited with Claire could that be her saving grace?

  187. LizS says:

    [quote comment="371657"]Question – did I miss something?

    Dogen: “He is evil incarnate.” (referring to MIB)

    Flocke – His behavior and words are like the devil’s – killed everyone at the temple; offered that which cannot be offered to Sayid for basically Sayid’s soul.

    What leads some to still question whether MIB is evil and Jacob is good?

    Not sure i understand why there is still a question.

    Can someone help?[/quote]
    Well, I agree with you, but I can see why people might have a problem with Jacob=Good.

    Let’s face it, Jacob’s agenda is/has been up til now on the mysterious side. He seems to have a kindly, calm, compassionate demeanor, but the body count in his name is pretty high none-the-less.

    He believes X, MIB disagrees, and there have been centuries of death and destruction around their ‘issues’. So, you know, I can definitely see the problem.

    Like when he saves Sayid from getting hit by the car, but NOT Nadia–he interfered for one, but not both.

    Is that ‘bad’ or ‘evil’? Is it wrong to NOT do something? You can argue it! One living suited his purpose, and one dying…oh, well.

    Jacob is not thinking on a human scale–so what we think of in terms of value, even of life and death, is not the same for him.

    So you can understand people being pissed off at him.

  188. Miss lost says:

    [quote comment="371680"][quote comment="371679"]Although Omega could be interpreted as another word for “The End”.[/quote]
    ******************************

    What do you think of this??? Found on Lostpedia-Non-Cannon

    Shen ring: the hieroglyph tile on the wall in the temple hallway that Ilana pushes to open the secret passage is a Shen ring. The Shen ring is an ancient Egyptian symbol of eternity and protection. In ancient Egypt, the Shen Ring also represents dual concepts of time; the cyclic line of periodicity and lineal time (into infinity).

    Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shen_ring%5B/quote%5D
    ****************
    Like so many connections, I love the meaning!
    Very interesting.

  189. Susan A says:

    [quote comment="371552"]I had trouble reading Kate’s face at the end of the episode. Part of me thought she was confused and just following Flocke out of the temple because he was there, but another part of me felt like she had been ‘converted’ and was now a part of MIB’s team. It seemed somewhat deliberate to me that she looked so calmly at the dead bodies and picked up a gun. What do you guys think?[/quote]
    I think maybe she is being converted. she looked like she was in a trance

  190. Susan A says:

    [quote comment="371566"][quote comment="371552"]I had trouble reading Kate’s face at the end of the episode. Part of me thought she was confused and just following Flocke out of the temple because he was there, but another part of me felt like she had been ‘converted’ and was now a part of MIB’s team. It seemed somewhat deliberate to me that she looked so calmly at the dead bodies and picked up a gun. What do you guys think?[/quote]

    I don’t think Kate is converted/infected yet. Sawyer talked to MIB and doesn’t seem to be infected yet. Claire and Sayid were both hurt/dead before being infected.[/quote]
    How was claiew hurt? Maybe I just don’t remember.

  191. Susan A says:

    [quote comment="371686"][quote comment="371566"][quote comment="371552"]I had trouble reading Kate’s face at the end of the episode. Part of me thought she was confused and just following Flocke out of the temple because he was there, but another part of me felt like she had been ‘converted’ and was now a part of MIB’s team. It seemed somewhat deliberate to me that she looked so calmly at the dead bodies and picked up a gun. What do you guys think?[/quote]

    I don’t think Kate is converted/infected yet. Sawyer talked to MIB and doesn’t seem to be infected yet. Claire and Sayid were both hurt/dead before being infected.[/quote]
    How was claiew hurt? Maybe I just don’t remember.[/quote]
    claire…sorry

  192. Miss lost says:

    So i am not sure if I think Dogen was trying to get Sayid killed when he sent him out with the dagger. I think he was looking for Jack or Hurley but since they could not be found he was one of the last on that list of candidates that he needed to do the job. Saywer and Jin are both gone as well as jack, Hurley and kate. Sayid may be infected but better than nothing.

    I think MIB CAN be killed just as Jacob was able to be killed (interesting that Jacob was also stabbed!)

    Sayid was not successful b/c MIB talked before he plunged the knife in.

    I do think poor Sayid is sick and maybe part of being infected is that you are easily manipulated. We do not know what the deal with Sayid and MIB was. We do know that he had to go deliver the message but I think he might have been told that he needed to kill Dogan. That was easy for Sayid since he felt betrayed AND since he was offered something/anything in the world that he wanted.
    My last question…in the previous ep we saw Jacob at the water. Could he have fixed it? Do you think it can heal Dogan and Lennon?
    it seems that Llana and her group are going to need a few more people of their side!

  193. Snaisy says:

    I think Dogen was manipulated onto the island by MIB and Jacob befriended him which is why he was keeping MIB away at this point. What he said about not seeking his little boy anymore seems like manipulation. Jacob doesn’t seem to have to manipulate since he allows people to have a choice. I think Jacob offers opportunities based on freewill. MIB offers a bribe based on his own agenda. For that reason, I think Dogen was not talking to Jacob off the island when he was asked to come to the island. Also, since it seems Ben was talking to MIB thinking he was getting orders from Jacob it seems just as likely that Dogen was misled by MIB.

    Thoughts?

  194. Aggie Mo says:

    [quote comment="371680"][quote comment="371679"]Although Omega could be interpreted as another word for “The End”.[/quote]
    ******************************

    What do you think of this??? Found on Lostpedia-Non-Cannon

    Shen ring: the hieroglyph tile on the wall in the temple hallway that Ilana pushes to open the secret passage is a Shen ring. The Shen ring is an ancient Egyptian symbol of eternity and protection. In ancient Egypt, the Shen Ring also represents dual concepts of time; the cyclic line of periodicity and lineal time (into infinity).

    Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shen_ring%5B/quote%5D

    Is it possible that escaping through that hallway also travels through time? That might explain why the lighthouse is there and was never seen before by the losties. It also might explain why the lighthouse mirror seemed to be showing scenes from 2004 not 2007.

  195. Aggie Mo says:

    [quote comment="371683"][quote comment="371657"]Question – did I miss something?

    Dogen: “He is evil incarnate.” (referring to MIB)

    Flocke – His behavior and words are like the devil’s – killed everyone at the temple; offered that which cannot be offered to Sayid for basically Sayid’s soul.

    What leads some to still question whether MIB is evil and Jacob is good?

    Not sure i understand why there is still a question.

    Can someone help?[/quote]
    Well, I agree with you, but I can see why people might have a problem with Jacob=Good.

    Let’s face it, Jacob’s agenda is/has been up til now on the mysterious side. He seems to have a kindly, calm, compassionate demeanor, but the body count in his name is pretty high none-the-less.

    He believes X, MIB disagrees, and there have been centuries of death and destruction around their ‘issues’. So, you know, I can definitely see the problem.

    Like when he saves Sayid from getting hit by the car,[quote comment="371683"][quote comment="371657"]Question – did I miss something?

    Dogen: “He is evil incarnate.” (referring to MIB)

    Flocke – His behavior and words are like the devil’s – killed everyone at the temple; offered that which cannot be offered to Sayid for basically Sayid’s soul.

    What leads some to still question whether MIB is evil and Jacob is good?

    Not sure i understand why there is still a question.

    Can someone help?[/quote]
    Well, I agree with you, but I can see why people might have a problem with Jacob=Good.

    Let’s face it, Jacob’s agenda is/has been up til now on the mysterious side. He seems to have a kindly, calm, compassionate demeanor, but the body count in his name is pretty high none-the-less.

    He believes X, MIB disagrees, and there have been centuries of death and destruction around their ‘issues’. So, you know, I can definitely see the problem.

    Like when he saves Sayid from getting hit by the car, but NOT Nadia–he interfered for one, but not both.

    Is that ‘bad’ or ‘evil’? Is it wrong to NOT do something? You can argue it! One living suited his purpose, and one dying…oh, well.

    Jacob is not thinking on a human scale–so what we think of in terms of value, even of life and death, is not the same for him.

    So you can understand people being pissed off at him.[/quote]

    Many people have the same hang ups about God …

  196. Aggie Mo says:

    [quote comment="371689"]I think Dogen was manipulated onto the island by MIB and Jacob befriended him which is why he was keeping MIB away at this point. What he said about not seeking his little boy anymore seems like manipulation. Jacob doesn’t seem to have to manipulate since he allows people to have a choice. I think Jacob offers opportunities based on freewill. MIB offers a bribe based on his own agenda. For that reason, I think Dogen was not talking to Jacob off the island when he was asked to come to the island. Also, since it seems Ben was talking to MIB thinking he was getting orders from Jacob it seems just as likely that Dogen was misled by MIB.

    Thoughts?[/quote]
    Interesting thought! I tend to agree, since that deal Dogen struck doesn’t sound like Jacob’s MO.

  197. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="371689"]I think Dogen was manipulated onto the island by MIB and Jacob befriended him which is why he was keeping MIB away at this point. What he said about not seeking his little boy anymore seems like manipulation. Jacob doesn’t seem to have to manipulate since he allows people to have a choice. I think Jacob offers opportunities based on freewill. MIB offers a bribe based on his own agenda. For that reason, I think Dogen was not talking to Jacob off the island when he was asked to come to the island. Also, since it seems Ben was talking to MIB thinking he was getting orders from Jacob it seems just as likely that Dogen was misled by MIB.

    Thoughts?[/quote]
    Dogen told the story of how he came to the island and MIB was NOT part of it. He said Jacob’s name…pretty clearly.

  198. LostLove says:

    [quote comment="371664"][quote comment="371661"]Lost- last scene:

    Two people sitting on the beach.
    1: I realy wish I could kill you.
    2: I know.

    1&2-
    a-Jack and Sawyer?
    b-Kate and Claire?
    c-Jack and Locke?[/quote]
    E MIB and Jacob…[/quote]

    Love this train of thought!! I don’t believe it will be E, as Jacob is looking for one of the candidates to step up and take his place. When this happens, Jacob will be gone.
    Wouldnt it be funny/sad if F. Sun & Jin??

  199. Snaisy says:

    [quote comment="371693"][quote comment="371689"]I think Dogen was manipulated onto the island by MIB and Jacob befriended him which is why he was keeping MIB away at this point. What he said about not seeking his little boy anymore seems like manipulation. Jacob doesn’t seem to have to manipulate since he allows people to have a choice. I think Jacob offers opportunities based on freewill. MIB offers a bribe based on his own agenda. For that reason, I think Dogen was not talking to Jacob off the island when he was asked to come to the island. Also, since it seems Ben was talking to MIB thinking he was getting orders from Jacob it seems just as likely that Dogen was misled by MIB.

    Thoughts?[/quote]
    Dogen told the story of how he came to the island and MIB was NOT part of it. He said Jacob’s name…pretty clearly.[/quote]

    True… but Ben also thought he was talking to Ben in the Cabin… I think he was chatting with MIB.

  200. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="371694"][quote comment="371664"][quote comment="371661"]Lost- last scene:

    Two people sitting on the beach.
    1: I realy wish I could kill you.
    2: I know.

    1&2-
    a-Jack and Sawyer?
    b-Kate and Claire?
    c-Jack and Locke?[/quote]
    E MIB and Jacob…[/quote]

    Love this train of thought!! I don’t believe it will be E, as Jacob is looking for one of the candidates to step up and take his place. When this happens, Jacob will be gone.
    Wouldnt it be funny/sad if F. Sun & Jin??[/quote]
    We don’t know that Jacob will be gone, we don’t even know ‘what’ he is or what is the purpose of a candidate.

  201. Miss lost says:

    [quote comment="371695"][quote comment="371693"][quote comment="371689"]I think Dogen was manipulated onto the island by MIB and Jacob befriended him which is why he was keeping MIB away at this point. What he said about not seeking his little boy anymore seems like manipulation. Jacob doesn’t seem to have to manipulate since he allows people to have a choice. I think Jacob offers opportunities based on freewill. MIB offers a bribe based on his own agenda. For that reason, I think Dogen was not talking to Jacob off the island when he was asked to come to the island. Also, since it seems Ben was talking to MIB thinking he was getting orders from Jacob it seems just as likely that Dogen was misled by MIB.

    Thoughts?[/quote]
    Dogen told the story of how he came to the island and MIB was NOT part of it. He said Jacob’s name…pretty clearly.[/quote]

    True… but Ben also thought he was talking to Ben in the Cabin… I think he was chatting with MIB.[/quote]
    ****************
    I don’t think Ben ever talked to Jacob in the cabin. He had lied. He had never met him. He always got his orders from Richard. John Locke found this pretty interesting and it was one of the ways MIB convinced Ben to stab Jacob!

  202. Jaime says:

    Is this season 6 or 1????? Some of these questions…idk

  203. Jaime says:

    [quote comment="371696"][quote comment="371694"][quote comment="371664"][quote comment="371661"]Lost- last scene:

    Two people sitting on the beach.
    1: I realy wish I could kill you.
    2: I know.

    1&2-
    a-Jack and Sawyer?
    b-Kate and Claire?
    c-Jack and Locke?[/quote]
    E MIB and Jacob…[/quote]

    Love this train of thought!! I don’t believe it will be E, as Jacob is looking for one of the candidates to step up and take his place. When this happens, Jacob will be gone.
    Wouldnt it be funny/sad if F. Sun & Jin??[/quote]
    We don’t know that Jacob will be gone, we don’t even know ‘what’ he is or what is the purpose of a candidate.[/quote]
    ************************************

    I would both love and hate it if it was MIB/Jacob.

  204. Jaime says:

    [quote comment="371698"]Is this season 6 or 1????? Some of these questions…idk[/quote]
    ***************************

    Sorry, I know the rules, it’s just my frustrations with this blog sometimes.

  205. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="371695"][quote comment="371693"][quote comment="371689"]I think Dogen was manipulated onto the island by MIB and Jacob befriended him which is why he was keeping MIB away at this point. What he said about not seeking his little boy anymore seems like manipulation. Jacob doesn’t seem to have to manipulate since he allows people to have a choice. I think Jacob offers opportunities based on freewill. MIB offers a bribe based on his own agenda. For that reason, I think Dogen was not talking to Jacob off the island when he was asked to come to the island. Also, since it seems Ben was talking to MIB thinking he was getting orders from Jacob it seems just as likely that Dogen was misled by MIB.

    Thoughts?[/quote]
    Dogen told the story of how he came to the island and MIB was NOT part of it. He said Jacob’s name…pretty clearly.[/quote]

    True… but Ben also thought he was talking to Ben in the Cabin… I think he was chatting with MIB.[/quote]
    Actually Ben admitted that he was trying to trick Locke in the cabin and that he has NEVER talked to Jacob.

    Also, don’t you think Dogen would have said that in his story…that he was tricked by MIB, but he joined Jacob’s side once on the island if that what the writers have for his story?

  206. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="371692"][quote comment="371689"]I think Dogen was manipulated onto the island by MIB and Jacob befriended him which is why he was keeping MIB away at this point. What he said about not seeking his little boy anymore seems like manipulation. Jacob doesn’t seem to have to manipulate since he allows people to have a choice. I think Jacob offers opportunities based on freewill. MIB offers a bribe based on his own agenda. For that reason, I think Dogen was not talking to Jacob off the island when he was asked to come to the island. Also, since it seems Ben was talking to MIB thinking he was getting orders from Jacob it seems just as likely that Dogen was misled by MIB.

    Thoughts?[/quote]
    Interesting thought! I tend to agree, since that deal Dogen struck doesn’t sound like Jacob’s MO.[/quote]
    MO for what…Juliette was told Jacob would cure her sister’s cancer if she stayed on the island.

  207. Snaisy says:

    [quote comment="371701"][quote comment="371695"][quote comment="371693"][quote comment="371689"]I think Dogen was manipulated onto the island by MIB and Jacob befriended him which is why he was keeping MIB away at this point. What he said about not seeking his little boy anymore seems like manipulation. Jacob doesn’t seem to have to manipulate since he allows people to have a choice. I think Jacob offers opportunities based on freewill. MIB offers a bribe based on his own agenda. For that reason, I think Dogen was not talking to Jacob off the island when he was asked to come to the island. Also, since it seems Ben was talking to MIB thinking he was getting orders from Jacob it seems just as likely that Dogen was misled by MIB.

    Thoughts?[/quote]
    Dogen told the story of how he came to the island and MIB was NOT part of it. He said Jacob’s name…pretty clearly.[/quote]

    True… but Ben also thought he was talking to Ben in the Cabin… I think he was chatting with MIB.[/quote]
    Actually Ben admitted that he was trying to trick Locke in the cabin and that he has NEVER talked to Jacob.

    Also, don’t you think Dogen would have said that in his story…that he was tricked by MIB, but he joined Jacob’s side once on the island if that what the writers have for his story?[/quote]

    Hmmmm You have a point about Ben not directly speaking with Jacob… But I still think he believed he was getting info from Jacob when he may have been getting it from MIO.

    Maybe it is because I see Jacob as the all mighty, with no preference type of “God” that doesn’t judge or mind what the people do but offers guidance to anyone who will listen. I see Jacob as allowing things to unfold since he(god) knows that all things that occurs is progress… in the end/beginning/everlasting moment of now, things always wind up back to where it should be. That life is just a progression and the main event is just that- the experience and not the result or destination, rather the experience along the journey… that there are many roads to get there… the “bad” road will just take longer than the “good” road… but one will get “there” nonetheless. In my opinion, Jacob-god has no preference. For this reason, when Dogen mentioned what Jacob proposed to him in order for him to get to the island does not seem godlike since… in my opinion god had no preference… just a guider and one can choose to take any road. MIO seems like a ‘i have an agenda and will manipulate you in order to get what I want out of you’ type of guy which fits with what Dogen was told.

    I am also relating this to a bunch of other possible realities I have in my mind so I can also be reaching to make it make sense in my mind =o)

  208. Lind says:

    [quote comment="371701"][quote comment="371695"][quote comment="371693"][quote comment="371689"]I think Dogen was manipulated onto the island by MIB and Jacob befriended him which is why he was keeping MIB away at this point. What he said about not seeking his little boy anymore seems like manipulation. Jacob doesn’t seem to have to manipulate since he allows people to have a choice. I think Jacob offers opportunities based on freewill. MIB offers a bribe based on his own agenda. For that reason, I think Dogen was not talking to Jacob off the island when he was asked to come to the island. Also, since it seems Ben was talking to MIB thinking he was getting orders from Jacob it seems just as likely that Dogen was misled by MIB.

    Thoughts?[/quote]
    Dogen told the story of how he came to the island and MIB was NOT part of it. He said Jacob’s name…pretty clearly.[/quote]

    True… but Ben also thought he was talking to Ben in the Cabin… I think he was chatting with MIB.[/quote]
    Actually Ben admitted that he was trying to trick Locke in the cabin and that he has NEVER talked to Jacob.

    Also, don’t you think Dogen would have said that in his story…that he was tricked by MIB, but he joined Jacob’s side once on the island if that what the writers have for his story?[/quote]

    agreed… I think it’s safe to say that Dogen was pretty close with Jacob and privy to Jacob’s plans… he would have known the difference between MIB and Jacob.

  209. Shadow says:

    [quote comment="371666"][quote comment="371583"]I cheered when Sayid killed Keamey. Not so much when he killed Dogun and Lennon.[/quote]
    ——–
    I loved it when that Hippy guy with glasses got it. He was soooo annoying. Good or Bad; he deserved the Shiv.

    But as usual I’ve got my complaints.
    Last weeks show was so dismal I couldn’t even read the LOST blog. Depressing. I so want to punch a Cello player in the face.

    …again with the sappy crap.
    We go from the Show tuggin at the heart strings with Jack and his son done Hallmark Cards style (with a piano recital to boot! uuugh!) to now trying to get us all teary over poor Sayid.
    Screw Sayid; he made his bed…and lest we forget …the man has many victims. I’m a bit tired of the dreamy big eyes taking the place of real drama, sense, or acting & dialogue.

    Well, I seem to be reading the writers minds;
    I complained that food and water are never discussed…and the lat two shows they allow a little reality to leak in.
    And they brought back Keamy! But now he’s dead again…all that lovely menace gone too soon again.
    But can Patchy be far behind?

    For me the show has gone off the road and into the jungle. They are throwing anything at us they can…seems so desperate.

    The scene at the Fort was silly; There are guards with guns…yet when Sayid returns…no one seems concerned that much; Sayid just wanders in to see the Head Sushi Chef and there are NO GUARDS at all even though Sayid has been labeled as “EVIL!”.
    Yup, dat makes sense.

    After Dogen gets his Last Onsen bath…Four Eyes wanders in ala “You killed Kenny…You bastard!” And doesn’t seem to wonder that Sayid just MIGHT be dangerous… and kill him….hunh?
    So, it’s all free form improv now to me. But I’m like a Junkie who wants to quit…

    At the later part of Smokey’s attack, in wander the other Losties They must have been attracted by all the carnage thinkin; hey this looks like a cool party! Let’s check it out.

    Kate may be on her way to Smirk-Du-Solay with that acrobatic move at the Pit…but she just shuuda told Claire;
    “A DINGO ATE YOUR BABY!”

    Coming soon; Claire’s vengeance on Freckles….and saved in the nick of time by Sawyer, but sans Cello music….maybe some staccato strings.[/quote]

    *****************************************************

    If its that bad, why don’t you stop watching? I’m just sayin….

  210. Shadow says:

    Illana didn’t see Sayid last in this episode did she? Just thought it would be interesting, since she’s the one who brought him to the island on Ajira in handcuffs.

  211. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="371703"][quote comment="371701"][quote comment="371695"][quote comment="371693"][quote comment="371689"][/quote]
    [/quote]

    [/quote]

    Hmmmm You have a point about Ben not directly speaking with Jacob… But I still think he believed he was getting info from Jacob when he may have been getting it from MIO.

    Maybe it is because I see Jacob as the all mighty, with no preference type of “God” that doesn’t judge or mind what the people do but offers guidance to anyone who will listen. I see Jacob as allowing things to unfold since he(god) knows that all things that occurs is progress… in the end/beginning/everlasting moment of now, things always wind up back to where it should be. That life is just a progression and the main event is just that- the experience and not the result or destination, rather the experience along the journey… that there are many roads to get there… the “bad” road will just take longer than the “good” road… but one will get “there” nonetheless. In my opinion, Jacob-god has no preference. For this reason, when Dogen mentioned what Jacob proposed to him in order for him to get to the island does not seem godlike since… in my opinion god had no preference… just a guider and one can choose to take any road. MIO seems like a ‘i have an agenda and will manipulate you in order to get what I want out of you’ type of guy which fits with what Dogen was told.

    I am also relating this to a bunch of other possible realities I have in my mind so I can also be reaching to make it make sense in my mind =o)[/quote]
    I hear you, but the important part you are forgetting is that Ben was getting his info from Richard who was getting it from Jacob. So it’s a heavy line to tow to say that MIB was been tricking everybody all the time. Jacob and MIB have been dualing for hundreds if not thousand of years AND Jacob never really cared what the folks he kept bringing to the island dud? Why did he keep bringing folks to the island? MIB said they come, fight, corrupt, etc. and Jacob said it’s progress…seems to me he cares or he would stop bringing them to the island.

  212. Snaisy says:

    [quote comment="371707"][quote comment="371703"][quote comment="371701"][quote comment="371695"][quote comment="371693"][quote comment="371689"][/quote]
    [/quote]

    [/quote]

    Hmmmm You have a point about Ben not directly speaking with Jacob… But I still think he believed he was getting info from Jacob when he may have been getting it from MIO.

    Maybe it is because I see Jacob as the all mighty, with no preference type of “God” that doesn’t judge or mind what the people do but offers guidance to anyone who will listen. I see Jacob as allowing things to unfold since he(god) knows that all things that occurs is progress… in the end/beginning/everlasting moment of now, things always wind up back to where it should be. That life is just a progression and the main event is just that- the experience and not the result or destination, rather the experience along the journey… that there are many roads to get there… the “bad” road will just take longer than the “good” road… but one will get “there” nonetheless. In my opinion, Jacob-god has no preference. For this reason, when Dogen mentioned what Jacob proposed to him in order for him to get to the island does not seem godlike since… in my opinion god had no preference… just a guider and one can choose to take any road. MIO seems like a ‘i have an agenda and will manipulate you in order to get what I want out of you’ type of guy which fits with what Dogen was told.

    I am also relating this to a bunch of other possible realities I have in my mind so I can also be reaching to make it make sense in my mind =o)[/quote]
    I hear you, but the important part you are forgetting is that Ben was getting his info from Richard who was getting it from Jacob. So it’s a heavy line to tow to say that MIB was been tricking everybody all the time.

    Jacob and MIB have been dualing for hundreds if not thousand of years AND Jacob never really cared what the folks he kept bringing to the island dud? Why did he keep bringing folks to the island? MIB said they come, fight, corrupt, etc. and Jacob said it’s progress…seems to me he cares or he would stop bringing them to the island.[/quote]

    Ahhh I missed the Richard link! Now I am really stretching… what if MIO and Jacob are one and the same… the polar opposites of the same being? That would explain why they are unable to kill one another… because they are the same. Oh wait, MIO said Jacob brought him to the island… idk.

  213. DocH says:

    someone wrote: “…I see Jacob as the almighty, with no preference type of “God” that doesn’t judge or mind what the people do but offers guidance to anyone who will listen…”
    - – - -
    That is a nice monotheist opinion, but this show has clearly and prominently utilized polytheism themes and pagan idolatry/themes throughout the 6 years, as well.

    So polytheism (>1 god) can have a MIB god and a Jacob god in aversion to one another. Don’t be surprised if a council of gods has placed these two quibbling kids on the island as punishment… the mortals (Losties) are just the gravy on the taters of the epic story.

  214. Duke says:

    [quote comment="371676"][quote comment="371589"]Claire must realize that Smokie had lied about Aaron being at the temple. She never looked for him before leaving with Flocke. So will she turn against him/it and go with Kate or will she stilll try to kill Kate like she said would if she found out that Kate raised her son?[/quote]

    Hmmm, I didn’t think of this right away. Claire MUST know that Flock lied to her. Maybe she and Kate had a little conversation in the pit and they are going to unite against him?

    Sayid deserves an Oscar for the last few minutes of last night’s performance. That look of amused evil–so creepy. As the three of them walked out with Flocke, looking all lifeless, all I could think of was holy Night of the Living Dead. As always, can’t wait for next week.[/quote]
    Oscars are for movies Emmys are for television.

  215. Snaisy says:

    [quote comment="371709"]someone wrote: “…I see Jacob as the almighty, with no preference type of “God” that doesn’t judge or mind what the people do but offers guidance to anyone who will listen…”
    - – - -
    That is a nice monotheist opinion, but this show has clearly and prominently utilized polytheism themes and pagan idolatry/themes throughout the 6 years, as well.

    So polytheism (>1 god) can have a MIB god and a Jacob god in aversion to one another. Don’t be surprised if a council of gods has placed these two quibbling kids on the island as punishment… the mortals (Losties) are just the gravy on the taters of the epic story.[/quote]

    I agree with you…and my opinion allows for both mono and polytheism at the same time. for me its the same thing just different perspective. In my opinion, two perspectives can occur at the same time/space. Also, this is why I think what Juliet mentioned-it worked- is true bc its also occurring/not occurring and why the losties are and are not on the island. Something tells me this show is about all possibilities at the same time…instead of this or that it is this and that.

  216. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="371709"]someone wrote: “…I see Jacob as the almighty, with no preference type of “God” that doesn’t judge or mind what the people do but offers guidance to anyone who will listen…”
    - – - -
    That is a nice monotheist opinion, but this show has clearly and prominently utilized polytheism themes and pagan idolatry/themes throughout the 6 years, as well.

    So polytheism (>1 god) can have a MIB god and a Jacob god in aversion to one another. Don’t be surprised if a council of gods has placed these two quibbling kids on the island as punishment… the mortals (Losties) are just the gravy on the taters of the epic story.[/quote]
    Agreed. Though I feel Jacob is ‘good’…I don’t think he’s God Almighty.

  217. LostLove says:

    [quote comment="371494"]Oh boy!! “Questions will be answered!” I cannot wait!

    I just worry.. “Sundown” – let’s hope this doesn’t mean our lovely Korean friend is in trouble![/quote]

    What are the questions that are still out there that you must have answers for by the end of all of his, otherwise you will be majorly disappointed?

  218. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="371713"][quote comment="371494"]Oh boy!! “Questions will be answered!” I cannot wait!

    I just worry.. “Sundown” – let’s hope this doesn’t mean our lovely Korean friend is in trouble![/quote]

    What are the questions that are still out there that you must have answers for by the end of all of his, otherwise you will be majorly disappointed?[/quote]
    Only two mandatory for me…who/what are MIB and Jacob…source of the whispers.

  219. FFam5 says:

    [quote comment="371690"][quote comment="371680"][quote comment="371679"]Although Omega could be interpreted as another word for “The End”.[/quote]
    ******************************
    Is it possible that escaping through that hallway also travels through time? That might explain why the lighthouse is there and was never seen before by the losties. It also might explain why the lighthouse mirror seemed to be showing scenes from 2004 not 2007.[/quote]

    **********

    I was thinking the same about TT when go thru but I remembered that Jack & Hurley met Kate at the creek.

  220. LostLove says:

    [quote comment="371715"][quote comment="371713"][quote comment="371494"]Oh boy!! “Questions will be answered!” I cannot wait!

    I just worry.. “Sundown” – let’s hope this doesn’t mean our lovely Korean friend is in trouble![/quote]

    What are the questions that are still out there that you must have answers for by the end of all of his, otherwise you will be majorly disappointed?[/quote]
    Only two mandatory for me…who/what are MIB and Jacob…source of the whispers.[/quote]

    Agree with these 2. Now that the story has introduced MIB and Jacob, I feel that this is the most important storylie to complete. They are the reason people over the centuries have come to the island. 95% of all of the other storylines are really just filler, taking you through a small moment in the island’s history. We as the viewers are really just watching the end of an era (jacob’s death) and possibly the start of a new one. Or at least, the final gun at the end of the competition, good vs evil, free will vs fate.

  221. LostLove says:

    [quote comment="371717"][quote comment="371715"][quote comment="371713"][quote comment="371494"]Oh boy!! “Questions will be answered!” I cannot wait!

    I just worry.. “Sundown” – let’s hope this doesn’t mean our lovely Korean friend is in trouble![/quote]

    What are the questions that are still out there that you must have answers for by the end of all of his, otherwise you will be majorly disappointed?[/quote]
    Only two mandatory for me…who/what are MIB and Jacob…source of the whispers.[/quote]

    Agree with these 2. Now that the story has introduced MIB and Jacob, I feel that this is the most important storylie to complete. They are the reason people over the centuries have come to the island. 95% of all of the other storylines are really just filler, taking you through a small moment in the island’s history. We as the viewers are really just watching the end of an era (jacob’s death) and possibly the start of a new one. Or at least, the final gun at the end of the competition, good vs evil, free will vs fate.[/quote]

    Is there any other questions?? I mean, we know the smoke monster, we know why there was a polar bear on the island, we know that through the centuries, different people that came to the island built all the different buildings, bunkers and big-footed statues. We know that the reason the Others seem to dislike anyone else is due to the trust factor as being possible futute evil carriers (Sayid, Claire) Aside from this, we really don’t know why or how Hurley has kept all his poundage.

  222. JustProgress... says:

    Thinking back to the cabin when Ben and Locke were there. We know that Jacob was not in the cabin (he hasn’t been here in a long time -Illana) and Locke hears a voice saying, “Save me.” Ben assumes that this is Jacob at the time and says something like, “You can hear him?” Now I think that this is MIB, which suggests this recruiting has been going on for a while.

  223. JustProgress... says:

    [quote comment="371719"]Thinking back to the cabin when Ben and Locke were there. We know that Jacob was not in the cabin (he hasn’t been here in a long time -Illana) and Locke hears a voice saying, “Save me.” Ben assumes that this is Jacob at the time and says something like, “You can hear him?” Now I think that this is MIB, which suggests this recruiting has been going on for a while.[/quote]

    I meant “Help me”. Sorry.

  224. Lind says:

    [quote comment="371718"][quote comment="371717"][quote comment="371715"][quote comment="371713"][quote comment="371494"][/quote]

    [/quote]

    [/quote]

    Is there any other questions?? I mean, we know the smoke monster, we know why there was a polar bear on the island, we know that through the centuries, different people that came to the island built all the different buildings, bunkers and big-footed statues. We know that the reason the Others seem to dislike anyone else is due to the trust factor as being possible futute evil carriers (Sayid, Claire) Aside from this, we really don’t know why or how Hurley has kept all his poundage.[/quote]

    There are many questions left! Like, how is Widmore connected to the island (after his expulsion from the Others), why was Richard disappointed when he visited child Locke, how did the Dharma Initiative come up with the numbers to diffuse the electromagnetic pocket, what is this “infection”, was Danielle infected, why is it that babies cannot come full term on the island, what IS the island, what are the requirements for being Jacob’s candidates, why is Desmond “special”, why is the island obscured from navigation equipment, why did the DI have a pact with the Others to bury the dead, why is it that only the plane crash survivors (plus Charlotte, Farraday, and Miles) flashed in time when the donkey wheel was off its axis (and the Others did not)…

    And of course, there are more questions still…

    It’s not that it would be horribly disappointing if these questions were not addressed… it’s pretty much established that there’s no way all of these can be answered, and that the bulk of the answers will have to be answered by our imaginations… buuut… if life were perfect, they ALL would be answered in by the end of May =)

  225. Hammer says:

    Pretty much most of the big ones got answered:

    The statue, how TT happens, how the island is hidden, how to get off the island, why the purple sky, where the others hang out, where the apparitions came from, smokey, most of what the numbers mean, why the Losties are there, the Widmore situation…

  226. DocH says:

    [quote comment="371718"] We really don’t know why or how Hurley has kept all his poundage.[/quote]
    (?) Its been about 3 weeks since he was taken from the Ajira flight and landed in lake Dharma. And for that first 7-10 days – he was the Dharma chef. He probably still has slivers of Dharma ham lodged in his molars. For three years before that he was getting three squares a day from his mom, or the mental hospital.

  227. Lind says:

    [quote comment="371723"][quote comment="371718"] We really don’t know why or how Hurley has kept all his poundage.[/quote]
    (?) Its been about 3 weeks since he was taken from the Ajira flight and landed in lake Dharma. And for that first 7-10 days – he was the Dharma chef. He probably still has slivers of Dharma ham lodged in his molars. For three years before that he was getting three squares a day from his mom, or the mental hospital.[/quote]

    Plus, some folks just have a hard time losing weight.

  228. z says:

    Without getting too bogged down with details – answers to which will probably never be revealed – here I think lies the gist of this brilliant show:

    Flash sideways is retroactive course correction as Oceanic 815 was never supposed to fall out of the sky in the first place. It was through Jacob’s indirect involvement along with Desmond’s failure to push the button on the 108th minute that brought our main characters to the island. By manipulating passengers of 815, Jacob inadvertently (or consciously) changed their predestined future (i.e. the ‘future’ we are now watching in flash sideways), which is now being course-corrected.

    Well, maybe.

  229. z says:

    the flipside may be the case as well.
    Perhaps, coming to the island was our characters’ destiny. In which case, the crash itself is course correction.

  230. z says:

    [quote comment="371566"][quote comment="371552"]I had trouble reading Kate’s face at the end of the episode. Part of me thought she was confused and just following Flocke out of the temple because he was there, but another part of me felt like she had been ‘converted’ and was now a part of MIB’s team. It seemed somewhat deliberate to me that she looked so calmly at the dead bodies and picked up a gun. What do you guys think?[/quote]

    thanks to Terry O’Quinn’s impeccable acting, you could tell that MIB was not at all thrilled to have Kate join them. She is not infected, neither does she know that Claire is infected. She thinks Claire is the good old sweet Aussie who has just been roughed up a bit…

    I don’t think Kate is converted/infected yet. Sawyer talked to MIB and doesn’t seem to be infected yet. Claire and Sayid were both hurt/dead before being infected.[/quote]

  231. Aggie Mo says:

    [quote comment="371702"][quote comment="371692"][quote comment="371689"]I think Dogen was manipulated onto the island by MIB and Jacob befriended him which is why he was keeping MIB away at this point. What he said about not seeking his little boy anymore seems like manipulation. Jacob doesn’t seem to have to manipulate since he allows people to have a choice. I think Jacob offers opportunities based on freewill. MIB offers a bribe based on his own agenda. For that reason, I think Dogen was not talking to Jacob off the island when he was asked to come to the island. Also, since it seems Ben was talking to MIB thinking he was getting orders from Jacob it seems just as likely that Dogen was misled by MIB.

    Thoughts?[/quote]
    Interesting thought! I tend to agree, since that deal Dogen struck doesn’t sound like Jacob’s MO.[/quote]
    MO for what…Juliette was told Jacob would cure her sister’s cancer if she stayed on the island.[/quote]

    … yeah, he was told that by Ben, not Jacob himself

  232. Aggie Mo says:

    [quote comment="371719"]Thinking back to the cabin when Ben and Locke were there. We know that Jacob was not in the cabin (he hasn’t been here in a long time -Illana) and Locke hears a voice saying, “Save me.” Ben assumes that this is Jacob at the time and says something like, “You can hear him?” Now I think that this is MIB, which suggests this recruiting has been going on for a while.[/quote]

    I agree — I think that John Locke (the real man) was duped by MIB all along — he was the one in the cabin, and he was in the form of Christian Shepherd telling John how to turn the wheel — and I’ll bet it was his idea that “John had to die” to bring the others back.

  233. Shadow says:

    [quote comment="371722"]Pretty much most of the big ones got answered:

    The statue, how TT happens, how the island is hidden, how to get off the island, why the purple sky, where the others hang out, where the apparitions came from, smokey, most of what the numbers mean, why the Losties are there, the Widmore situation…[/quote]

    I think you’re right about most of the major questions, but I’m still not clear on how TT happens?

  234. tc909 says:

    Listening to the podcasts & reading these blogs, I think I must be in a very very small minority in wondering about the direction of the show anymore. I felt this way last season but thought it would turn around. All through the buildup to this season we kept hearing from Damon & Carlton that this season was “about the characters”, and “not all the questions will be answered”. Ok, well what return to the characters have we had so far? None. We have new characters (now dead), super-human characters that can withstand knives, reappear as ghosts after being killed, characters we thought we knew after 5 years now in an alternate universe as different characters with different lives? So not all the questions will be answered, ok. But the nagging thing in my mind is this is a convenient way of saying “Whew! Didn’t know what we were going to do about that!”. I mean I keep reading “I can’t believe anyone is confused about who is good or evil; Jacob:good, MIB;evil”. But um, everyone forgets Ben worked for Jacob, and the Others, killed 815′ers, messed around with Claire’s baby, kidnapped Walt, killed plenty more with the flaming arrows,.. Does everyone forget Patchie, the bear cages, the weird torturing of Karl?… This was all because of “good” Jacob? Just can’t see how they are going to tie all of this up neatly.

  235. Murphey says:

    [quote comment="371728"][quote comment="371702"][quote comment="371692"][quote comment="371689"]I think Dogen was manipulated onto the island by MIB and Jacob befriended him which is why he was keeping MIB away at this point. What he said about not seeking his little boy anymore seems like manipulation. Jacob doesn’t seem to have to manipulate since he allows people to have a choice. I think Jacob offers opportunities based on freewill. MIB offers a bribe based on his own agenda. For that reason, I think Dogen was not talking to Jacob off the island when he was asked to come to the island. Also, since it seems Ben was talking to MIB thinking he was getting orders from Jacob it seems just as likely that Dogen was misled by MIB.

    Thoughts?[/quote]
    Interesting thought! I tend to agree, since that deal Dogen struck doesn’t sound like Jacob’s MO.[/quote]
    MO for what…Juliette was told Jacob would cure her sister’s cancer if she stayed on the island.[/quote]

    … yeah, he was told that by Ben, not Jacob himself[/quote]

    Richard was involved in Juliet’s recruitment as well. She wasn’t going to come to the island until her divorce went through and then her husband got hit by a bus. When I first saw that in Season 3 I thought it was orchestrated by the Others, but now it seems more like Jacob or even course correction. Maybe Juliet had to come to the island because she had already been on the island in the 70s with the DI (although not linearly in the past for her). The point being that Jacob seemed to be involved in Juliet’s deal. We haven’t seen MIB deliver on any of his promises yet, have we? He may just lie, whereas Jacob’s deals come true but you have to have faith.

  236. Murphey says:

    [quote comment="371686"][quote comment="371566"][quote comment="371552"]I had trouble reading Kate’s face at the end of the episode. Part of me thought she was confused and just following Flocke out of the temple because he was there, but another part of me felt like she had been ‘converted’ and was now a part of MIB’s team. It seemed somewhat deliberate to me that she looked so calmly at the dead bodies and picked up a gun. What do you guys think?[/quote]

    I don’t think Kate is converted/infected yet. Sawyer talked to MIB and doesn’t seem to be infected yet. Claire and Sayid were both hurt/dead before being infected.[/quote]
    How was claiew hurt? Maybe I just don’t remember.[/quote]

    Claire had been in a hut which was attacked by Keamy. She was hurt but said I’ll be alright to which Miles replied “Don’t count on it.” At the time it seemed like he just meant they all still might be killed by Keamy, but it might have been his power to talk to the dead somehow knowing she would die/get infected.

  237. Murphey says:

    [quote comment="371730"][quote comment="371722"]Pretty much most of the big ones got answered:

    The statue, how TT happens, how the island is hidden, how to get off the island, why the purple sky, where the others hang out, where the apparitions came from, smokey, most of what the numbers mean, why the Losties are there, the Widmore situation…[/quote]

    I think you’re right about most of the major questions, but I’m still not clear on how TT happens?[/quote]

    Agreed, but we should figure out by the end of the series whether the flash sideways was caused by the bomb or another event yet to come. If the bomb “worked” as Juliet said, Faraday was correct that things can be changed, but if the bomb had always been the incident than WHH was correct. Although clearly things are different/changed in the FS, this may not be time travel as much as a parallel universe.

  238. John Ellis says:

    Jacob and the Other Man I surmise are the same man, opposite dualities of a huge complex personality, just as the Lost characters either reflect one or the other or have their own dualities. Brecht created the same story in “The Good Person of Schezwan”. I’ve known people this complicated and conflicted, literally wonderful and/or evil depending on the situation.

    One side of Jacob can’t kill the other because he can not kill himself, not in that way. His harm is limited to a game, because it would be suicide if real. That doesn’t mean others don’t die but his life is not at stake all appearances to the contrary.

    The crashless story line can not end well no matter how sunny it seems at times. They did not experience what was necessary to grow and solve their lives’ problems, they are left too small to grasp them. On the island, they found their true natures, for better or worse, but as toys in a metaphysical game played by a god who is both a monster and a savior.

    Let Abrams live up to that.

  239. Bill says:

    [quote comment="371507"][quote comment="371504"]I believe EVERY single characters life is better in some way in the Sideways timeline…Everything i have seen so far is an improvement morally and personality wise…so i thik sayid will be a happy camper…probly with a love…definatley not a killer…jmho[/quote]

    Yeah, he seemed like the good samaritan, genuine-type when he was on the plane to LAX (helping out with Charlie…) maybe this time around, his life is alright.

    Speaking of Charlie… his sideways life definitely is not looking up at the moment, though perhaps his prison time will be a ‘blessing in disguise’, as they say.[/quote]

    The “flash sideways” show the survivors lives if Jacob had never manipulated them to come to the island. That is why so much beyond just the plane landing at LAX is different. Remember that the bomb was detonated in the early 1970′s, before many of them were even born.

  240. Bill says:

    [quote comment="371729"][quote comment="371719"]Thinking back to the cabin when Ben and Locke were there. We know that Jacob was not in the cabin (he hasn’t been here in a long time -Illana) and Locke hears a voice saying, “Save me.” Ben assumes that this is Jacob at the time and says something like, “You can hear him?” Now I think that this is MIB, which suggests this recruiting has been going on for a while.[/quote]

    I agree — I think that John Locke (the real man) was duped by MIB all along — he was the one in the cabin, and he was in the form of Christian Shepherd telling John how to turn the wheel — and I’ll bet it was his idea that “John had to die” to bring the others back.[/quote]

    I definitely agree. MIB can take the form of dead bodies that are brought to the island (i.e. Christian, Locke). That is why he appeared as Christian for so long and why Locke needed to die for his plan to work – the loophole which must be that one of Jacob’s own recruits can kill him (Ben in this case). Locke could manipulate Ben, but Christian could not.

  241. Lind says:

    [quote comment="371738"][quote comment="371507"][quote comment="371504"]I believe EVERY single characters life is better in some way in the Sideways timeline…Everything i have seen so far is an improvement morally and personality wise…so i thik sayid will be a happy camper…probly with a love…definatley not a killer…jmho[/quote]

    Yeah, he seemed like the good samaritan, genuine-type when he was on the plane to LAX (helping out with Charlie…) maybe this time around, his life is alright.

    Speaking of Charlie… his sideways life definitely is not looking up at the moment, though perhaps his prison time will be a ‘blessing in disguise’, as they say.[/quote]

    The “flash sideways” show the survivors lives if Jacob had never manipulated them to come to the island. That is why so much beyond just the plane landing at LAX is different. Remember that the bomb was detonated in the early 1970′s, before many of them were even born.[/quote]

    Well, most of them were born before the ‘incident/bomb’… the bomb exploded in 1977. A person born in 1977 would only be 27 in 2004… we know that Jack, Sawyer, Sayid, and Locke were certainly older than that. Plus, we also know that Jack was born in ’69 or ’67…

    But still, the Jacob interactions would have come after 1977, so, yes, the sideways stories we see are unaffected by Jacob.

    That means that the bomb did work, it did cause the island to sink (or someone to make it sink), which makes me think that this is “what worked” (a la Juliet), and “the one time it matters” (a la Jacob).

  242. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="371625"]So, I’m convinced that the peices will all fall into place by the end. We know why Claire had that dream now years ago, locke with the black and white eyes… still to come, Locke standing on the beach surrounded by people who hate him…

    I found it interesting that Sayid said he did not deserve Nadia. Maybe what is better for him is that he can accept that in this timeline… or, is he being punished?

    Keemey was killed by Sayid before right? I cant remember entirely, didn’t keemey get shot in the back? And, is Keemeys money-lending via Widmore? I say yes…yes.[/quote]
    ____________________________________
    I think you’re on to something. I think in the FS Keamy is working for Widmore, just as in the original timeline. It makes sense that the connection to Jin is Widmore/Paik connection.

  243. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="371730"][quote comment="371722"]Pretty much most of the big ones got answered:

    The statue, how TT happens, how the island is hidden, how to get off the island, why the purple sky, where the others hang out, where the apparitions came from, smokey, most of what the numbers mean, why the Losties are there, the Widmore situation…[/quote]

    I think you’re right about most of the major questions, but I’m still not clear on how TT happens?[/quote]
    ____________________________________
    We’ve only seen one way in which time travel happens, which is by turning the frozen donkey wheel. Apparently, the island’s unique properties allow for it to happen when the wheel is turned. However, there may be another way because we did not see the wheel turned when the O6 flashed to 1977 from the plane. I think Jacob was behind that.

  244. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="371552"]I had trouble reading Kate’s face at the end of the episode. Part of me thought she was confused and just following Flocke out of the temple because he was there, but another part of me felt like she had been ‘converted’ and was now a part of MIB’s team. It seemed somewhat deliberate to me that she looked so calmly at the dead bodies and picked up a gun. What do you guys think?[/quote]
    _______________________________________
    The last time Kate saw Locke alive, they were in Kate’s house, Locke was trying to convince her to return to the island, and Kate told him he was a pathetic loser who could never be anything because of his pathetic loser ways. Now, she knew he died, and sees him alive leading these people into the jungle. My guess is she will test him. Will probably walk up to his face and try to belittle him again. After that, she’s going to be in for a surprise.

  245. LostLove says:

    [quote comment="371731"]Listening to the podcasts & reading these blogs, I think I must be in a very very small minority in wondering about the direction of the show anymore. I felt this way last season but thought it would turn around. All through the buildup to this season we kept hearing from Damon & Carlton that this season was “about the characters”, and “not all the questions will be answered”. Ok, well what return to the characters have we had so far? None. We have new characters (now dead), super-human characters that can withstand knives, reappear as ghosts after being killed, characters we thought we knew after 5 years now in an alternate universe as different characters with different lives? So not all the questions will be answered, ok. But the nagging thing in my mind is this is a convenient way of saying “Whew! Didn’t know what we were going to do about that!”.

    I mean I keep reading “I can’t believe anyone is confused about who is good or evil; Jacob:good, MIB;evil”. But um, everyone forgets Ben worked for Jacob, and the Others, killed 815′ers, messed around with Claire’s baby, kidnapped Walt, killed plenty more with the flaming arrows,.. Does everyone forget Patchie, the bear cages, the weird torturing of Karl?… This was all because of “good” Jacob?

    Just can’t see how they are going to tie all of this up neatly.[/quote]
    IMO I don’t believe Ben ever worked for Jacob. He learned of jacob thru Richard of this Man who runs the show on the island. He learned that a person picked by Jacob would be the leader of the island. So, Ben lied that he was the one picked by Jacob to be the leader of the Others. All of these events described above were crafted from Ben, eliminating the possibility of any true candidate taking over. Now, he may have been influenced by the MIB, and I believe if this is true, we will see that question get answered.

  246. Aggie Mo says:

    Random thought:

    Was Desmond touched by Jacob? What is his relation to all of this MIB vs. Jacob stuff? He is a central character in so many ways — in the original timeline he brought the plane down, when the hatch blew he got special powers, he has connections to Widmore, etc. If not brought by Jacob, how did he end up on the island in the first place?

    Unlike other loose ends that we are worried won’t be tied up this season, I think Desmond’s role will be clearly laid out at some point this season, even though he is not listed as one of the “key characters” in the “Last Supper” picture on the Lost website. Otherwise, why would they have made Desmond be on the plane with Jack in the season premiere?

    Hopefully, they will bring Desmond back into all of this, and in the process explain the Widmore connection.

  247. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="371744"][quote comment="371731"][/quote]
    IMO I don’t believe Ben ever worked for Jacob. He learned of jacob thru Richard of this Man who runs the show on the island. He learned that a person picked by Jacob would be the leader of the island. So, Ben lied that he was the one picked by Jacob to be the leader of the Others. All of these events described above were crafted from Ben, eliminating the possibility of any true candidate taking over. Now, he may have been influenced by the MIB, and I believe if this is true, we will see that question get answered.[/quote]
    I think the conversation Ben had with Jacob just before he killed him explains who he was working for.

    JACOB: Benjamin… whatever he’s told you, I want you to understand one thing. You have a choice.

    BEN: What “choice”?

    JACOB: You can do what he asked, or you can go, leave us to discuss our… issues.

    BEN: Oh… so now, after all this time, you’ve decided to stop ignoring me. Thirty-five years I lived on this island, and all I ever heard was your name over and over. Richard would bring me your instructions–all those slips of paper, all those lists–and I never questioned anything. I did as I was told. But when I dared to ask to see you myself, I was told, “You have to wait. You have to be patient.” But when he asked to see you? He gets marched straight up here as if was Moses. So… why him? Hmm? What was it that was so wrong with me? What about me?!

    JACOB: What about you?

  248. Lind says:

    [quote comment="371744"][quote comment="371731"]Listening to the podcasts & reading these blogs, I think I must be in a very very small minority in wondering about the direction of the show anymore. I felt this way last season but thought it would turn around. All through the buildup to this season we kept hearing from Damon & Carlton that this season was “about the characters”, and “not all the questions will be answered”. Ok, well what return to the characters have we had so far? None. We have new characters (now dead), super-human characters that can withstand knives, reappear as ghosts after being killed, characters we thought we knew after 5 years now in an alternate universe as different characters with different lives? So not all the questions will be answered, ok. But the nagging thing in my mind is this is a convenient way of saying “Whew! Didn’t know what we were going to do about that!”.

    I mean I keep reading “I can’t believe anyone is confused about who is good or evil; Jacob:good, MIB;evil”. But um, everyone forgets Ben worked for Jacob, and the Others, killed 815′ers, messed around with Claire’s baby, kidnapped Walt, killed plenty more with the flaming arrows,.. Does everyone forget Patchie, the bear cages, the weird torturing of Karl?… This was all because of “good” Jacob?

    Just can’t see how they are going to tie all of this up neatly.[/quote]
    IMO I don’t believe Ben ever worked for Jacob. He learned of jacob thru Richard of this Man who runs the show on the island. He learned that a person picked by Jacob would be the leader of the island. So, Ben lied that he was the one picked by Jacob to be the leader of the Others. All of these events described above were crafted from Ben, eliminating the possibility of any true candidate taking over. Now, he may have been influenced by the MIB, and I believe if this is true, we will see that question get answered.[/quote]

    Re: “I don’t believe Ben ever worked for Jacob”:

    I think it’s been established that the Others – Ben, Richard, Dogen, at al – that whole clan – work for Jacob. That’s what they’re there for…

  249. LostLove says:

    [quote comment="371721"][quote comment="371718"][quote comment="371717"][quote comment="371715"][quote comment="371713"][quote comment="371494"][/quote]

    [/quote]

    [/quote]

    Is there any other questions?? I mean, we know the smoke monster, we know why there was a polar bear on the island, we know that through the centuries, different people that came to the island built all the different buildings, bunkers and big-footed statues. We know that the reason the Others seem to dislike anyone else is due to the trust factor as being possible futute evil carriers (Sayid, Claire) Aside from this, we really don’t know why or how Hurley has kept all his poundage.[/quote]

    There are many questions left! Like, how is Widmore connected to the island (after his expulsion from the Others), why was Richard disappointed when he visited child Locke, how did the Dharma Initiative come up with the numbers to diffuse the electromagnetic pocket, “, was Danielle infected, why is it that babies cannot come full term on the island, what IS the island, what are the requirements for being Jacob’s candidates, why is Desmond “special”, why is the island obscured from navigation equipment, why did the DI have a pact with the Others to bury the dead, why is it that only the plane crash survivors (plus Charlotte, Farraday, and Miles) flashed in time when the donkey wheel was off its axis (and the Others did not)…

    And of course, there are more questions still…

    It’s not that it would be horribly disappointing if these questions were not addressed… it’s pretty much established that there’s no way all of these can be answered, and that the bulk of the answers will have to be answered by our imaginations… buuut… if life were perfect, they ALL would be answered in by the end of May =)[/quote]

    There are many questions left! Like, how is Widmore connected to the island (after his expulsion from the Others), There is no connection other than a rich man using his assets to get back to an island he feels had mystical powers nad revenge against Ben, the person he holds accountable for his own expulsion.
    why was Richard disappointed when he visited child Locke – Because he felt Locke picked the wrong items to be the true leader of the island.
    how did the Dharma Initiative come up with the numbers – Not really a huge question, but these numbers come up so often on the island (jacob’s influence) that they used it as the code to relieve the electromagnetic pressure. I beleive the origin of the numbers, I mean what came first, jacob’s assignemnt of the numbers to the specific candidate or something else will be revealed if it was something else.
    what is this “infection – repossesion by MIB (see Sayid, Claire)
    was Danielle infected – No, otherwise she wouldnt have been freaked out by the other members of her group or the whispers
    why is it that babies cannot come full term – This will be revealed at end when we know why people are recruited here in the 1st place, while others are merely bribed, why some are candidates and others pawns. It will probably come down to people being able to redemm themselves and doing something on their own free will that goes against what has been fated. Babies wouldn’t add anything to the contest?
    what IS the island – testing playground to prove that not all people will succumb to what is fate
    what are the requirements for being Jacob’s candidates – this will be answered, but I believe that it was really all about Jack, Sawyer or Kate, as much as Jacob wanted diverse people as part of the test.
    why is Desmond “special” – dont know yet, but if he is, we will see him again. His special attributes are attributed to him experiencing time travel b/4 the rest did, due to his proximity in the 1st electromagntic explosion.
    why is the island obscured from navigation equipment – island moves periodically and its electromagnetic field screws up compasses
    why did the DI have a pact with the Others to bury the dead – to eliminate possibilities of reposession
    why is it that only the plane crash survivors (plus Charlotte, Farraday, and Miles) flashed in time when the donkey wheel was off its axis (and the Others did not – when the flashes happened, people who were not orginally present at the time the island’s historical events took place were displaced, or bumped, in time (ie the Losties and 3 mentioned)

    Hope this helps.

  250. Aggie Mo says:

    [quote comment="371747"][quote comment="371744"][quote comment="371731"]Listening to the podcasts & reading these blogs, I think I must be in a very very small minority in wondering about the direction of the show anymore. I felt this way last season but thought it would turn around. All through the buildup to this season we kept hearing from Damon & Carlton that this season was “about the characters”, and “not all the questions will be answered”. Ok, well what return to the characters have we had so far? None. We have new characters (now dead), super-human characters that can withstand knives, reappear as ghosts after being killed, characters we thought we knew after 5 years now in an alternate universe as different characters with different lives? So not all the questions will be answered, ok. But the nagging thing in my mind is this is a convenient way of saying “Whew! Didn’t know what we were going to do about that!”.

    I mean I keep reading “I can’t believe anyone is confused about who is good or evil; Jacob:good, MIB;evil”. But um, everyone forgets Ben worked for Jacob, and the Others, killed 815′ers, messed around with Claire’s baby, kidnapped Walt, killed plenty more with the flaming arrows,.. Does everyone forget Patchie, the bear cages, the weird torturing of Karl?… This was all because of “good” Jacob?

    Just can’t see how they are going to tie all of this up neatly.[/quote]
    IMO I don’t believe Ben ever worked for Jacob. He learned of jacob thru Richard of this Man who runs the show on the island. He learned that a person picked by Jacob would be the leader of the island. So, Ben lied that he was the one picked by Jacob to be the leader of the Others. All of these events described above were crafted from Ben, eliminating the possibility of any true candidate taking over. Now, he may have been influenced by the MIB, and I believe if this is true, we will see that question get answered.[/quote]

    Re: “I don’t believe Ben ever worked for Jacob”:

    I think it’s been established that the Others – Ben, Richard, Dogen, at al – that whole clan – work for Jacob. That’s what they’re there for…[/quote]

    I agree that clearly Ben was working for Jacob, but did he “go rogue” and do some things that Jacob did not request?

    Some examples:

    Taking John Locke to the cabin

    Shooting him and leaving him for dead in the Dharma mass grave

    Turning the wheel and leaving the island

    Going through Jacob’s “list”, and having people on the list murdered while off the island

    Murdering John Locke off the island

    Killing Jacob (of course)

    I even wonder — his mass murder of the Dharmites — was that ordered by Jacob? Maybe it was but I don’t really know.

    I think these things provide evidence that Ben was not always a good follower of Jacob, and acted in his own interest sometimes. It is possible that by acting in “his own interest”, he let himself be manipulated by MIB or at least unknowingly contribute to his agenda? An obvious example — stabbing Jacob, but other actions also contributed to his agenda.

    Also, recall how Ben knew how to summon “Smokie”, and also the magic closet. Was the magic closet something all the “Others” knew about, or was it something Ben discovered on his own, perhaps in the process playing into the hands of MIB? Recall how Ben said the closet could make whatever you wish appear, and Locke made his kidney-stealing deadbeat father appear. The “whatever you wish” idea sounds very MIB, not very Jacob.

    It is clear Ben worked for Jacob, but I just wonder if by acting on his own for his own interests, he was deceived by MIB and fell under his influence, eventually betraying Jacob? Sort of like Judas in the story of Jesus?

  251. Hammer says:

    Well we could have made this much shorter if you had said this:

    “It is clear Ben worked for Jacob, but I just wonder if by acting on his own for his own interests, he was deceived by MIB and fell under his influence, eventually betraying Jacob? Sort of like Judas in the story of Jesus?”

    BEFORE you said this:

    “IMO I don’t believe Ben ever worked for Jacob.”

    I am fairly certain that Ben was corrupting (remember MIB saying that to Jacob) that took him out of favor. They were waiting for Locke to be their new leader, Ben got a tumor on his spine, etc. He was tricked by MIB, not ‘influenced’. MIB appeared as Alex and told him he had to do whatever Locke said. Then appeared as Locke and told him to kill Jacob.

  252. jwc says:

    Long time reader – first time poster. Did anyone else get the incredibly eerie feeling that Sayid being carried out of the water resembled Jesus on the cross? With his arms outstretched and his long, curly hair I couldn’t help but to be struck by this comparison. Then, two hours later he came back from the dead. I’m just sayin’ …

  253. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="371751"]Long time reader – first time poster. Did anyone else get the incredibly eerie feeling that Sayid being carried out of the water resembled Jesus on the cross? With his arms outstretched and his long, curly hair I couldn’t help but to be struck by this comparison. Then, two hours later he came back from the dead. I’m just sayin’ …[/quote]
    That was posted here before.

    Then at sundown he murdered two people in cold blood and assisted in the mass murders. Comparison debunked. :)

  254. wallyp says:

    [quote comment="371729"][quote comment="371719"]Thinking back to the cabin when Ben and Locke were there. We know that Jacob was not in the cabin (he hasn’t been here in a long time -Illana) and Locke hears a voice saying, “Save me.” Ben assumes that this is Jacob at the time and says something like, “You can hear him?” Now I think that this is MIB, which suggests this recruiting has been going on for a while.[/quote]

    I agree — I think that John Locke (the real man) was duped by MIB all along — he was the one in the cabin, and he was in the form of Christian Shepherd telling John how to turn the wheel — and I’ll bet it was his idea that “John had to die” to bring the others back.[/quote]

    If you go back and watch last seasons ep “The Variable” we see that it was in fact the MIBs idea for John Locke to die (we didnt know who MIB was yet though…) Locke comes back and greets Richard, and says “do you have my compass?” (remember Locke gave it to Richard in 1954 shortly after Richard gave it to him in the woods,,,) Then they travel out in to the woods… Locke tells Richard that a man will appear in the woods,,,and to give him the compass (this is where the loop starts -2007- Richard gives Locke the compass again, Locke gives it back to Richard in 1954— SO Richard is always looking for Locke, who is born in 1956, if I’m not mistaken) Then fake Locke tells Richard to tell Locke that he needs to die. Richard does this, all along believing it is really Locke telling him.

    Then theres this exchange after Locke flashes out…
    Richard: well, its a good thing you didn’t really need to die.
    (MIB)Locke: well, actually Richard, I did.

    So I think this shows that MOST of the weird an unexplainable things and bad deeds done by the Others, were due to MIBs influence, not Jacobs… MIB had been lurking quietly for years and years, putting bits and peices of his thing together…

  255. wallyp says:

    …I’m sure I could have worded that much better, but watch that one scene…. to me it is the nexus of the whole plot…

  256. wallyp says:

    also, its not The Variable, its Follow the Leader…. (sheepish) I’ll shut up now… seriously though, the nexus.

  257. dadman says:

    [quote comment="371702"][quote comment="371692"][quote comment="371689"]I think Dogen was manipulated onto the island by MIB and Jacob befriended him which is why he was keeping MIB away at this point. What he said about not seeking his little boy anymore seems like manipulation. Jacob doesn’t seem to have to manipulate since he allows people to have a choice. I think Jacob offers opportunities based on freewill. MIB offers a bribe based on his own agenda. For that reason, I think Dogen was not talking to Jacob off the island when he was asked to come to the island. Also, since it seems Ben was talking to MIB thinking he was getting orders from Jacob it seems just as likely that Dogen was misled by MIB.

    Thoughts?[/quote]
    Interesting thought! I tend to agree, since that deal Dogen struck doesn’t sound like Jacob’s MO.[/quote]
    MO for what…Juliette was told Jacob would cure her sister’s cancer if she stayed on the island.[/quote]

    Long-time reader here. Wait! Could Juliet’s words “It worked” refer to this promiser to cure her sister, since Juliet dying on the island means that she keeps her part of the bargain–to go to the island and not leave. What do you think?

  258. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="371756"][quote comment="371702"][quote comment="371692"][quote comment="371689"][/quote]
    [/quote]
    [/quote]

    Long-time reader here. Wait! Could Juliet’s words “It worked” refer to this promiser to cure her sister, since Juliet dying on the island means that she keeps her part of the bargain–to go to the island and not leave. What do you think?[/quote]
    I think that when Ben showed Juliette the video of her sister playing with her son…that was our confirmation that Jacob cured her.

    I think Sawyers next episode is going to have Juliette in it and they are going to have coffee and go dutch…per the rest of her statement before she died.

  259. wallyp says:

    [quote comment="371757"][quote comment="371756"][quote comment="371702"][quote comment="371692"][quote comment="371689"][/quote]
    [/quote]
    [/quote]

    Long-time reader here. Wait! Could Juliet’s words “It worked” refer to this promiser to cure her sister, since Juliet dying on the island means that she keeps her part of the bargain–to go to the island and not leave. What do you think?[/quote]
    I think that when Ben showed Juliette the video of her sister playing with her son…that was our confirmation that Jacob cured her.

    I think Sawyers next episode is going to have Juliette in it and they are going to have coffee and go dutch…per the rest of her statement before she died.[/quote]

    I like it Dadman

    Hammer, while I agree with you,,, I think it would be interesting if we saw that Juliettes sister -never- has cancer in the sideways…

    …Dogen saves his son,,, by never getting into the accident…

  260. rowjimmy says:

    I’m still not convinced Christian= MIB.
    Perhaps Jacob can take over the actual body because Christian’s body is still missing on the island,Jack finds empty coffin and in FS,lost in luggage claim.MIB has assummed the form of Locke,body in the box and now buried on the Island.Doesn’t that sound like different types of controls
    In the cabin Locke finds Christian and he says to the effect of I’m not Jacob but I can speak for him.
    In the lighthouse mirror we see Jacks childhood home that he hasn’t lived in for 20years.Jacob touched Jack at the hospital when he was an adult not when he was a child, that means Jacob touched Christian at that point in time in the mirror.Reasoning being Shinto temple = Kwons.Church steeple = Sawyer.
    Claire has been with her “father” on the Island.Claire is now with her “friend” not John Locke.

  261. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="371757"]I think Sawyers next episode is going to have Juliette in it and they are going to have coffee and go dutch…per the rest of her statement before she died.[/quote]

    Love it!

    : ) P

  262. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="371759"]In the lighthouse mirror we see Jacks childhood home that he hasn’t lived in for 20years.Jacob touched Jack at the hospital when he was an adult not when he was a child, that means Jacob touched Christian at that point in time in the mirror.Reasoning being Shinto temple = Kwons.Church steeple = Sawyer.[/quote]

    I think a possible reason we saw Jack’s childhood home is because we have no idea what his current home looks like from the outside. Some speculate that it is because Jack has been watched for a long time. Others say that it because that was once Christian’s home. Another possibility is that it is because GrandDad Ray was a candidate.

    I don’t know that when Jacob touched the LOSTies and what was reflected in the mirror necessarily have to correlate.

    ) P

  263. rowjimmy says:

    Season 6 last scene cut to beach:
    Flocke : Son of bitch I thought that would work.
    Christian:yeah
    Flocke: You Know how much I want to kill you.
    Christian: I wish you could look at me I’m old and wrinkled now and arthritic to boot

  264. Aggie Mo says:

    [quote comment="371750"]Well we could have made this much shorter if you had said this:

    “It is clear Ben worked for Jacob, but I just wonder if by acting on his own for his own interests, he was deceived by MIB and fell under his influence, eventually betraying Jacob? Sort of like Judas in the story of Jesus?”

    BEFORE you said this:

    “IMO I don’t believe Ben ever worked for Jacob.”

    I am fairly certain that Ben was corrupting (remember MIB saying that to Jacob) that took him out of favor. They were waiting for Locke to be their new leader, Ben got a tumor on his spine, etc. He was tricked by MIB, not ‘influenced’. MIB appeared as Alex and told him he had to do whatever Locke said. Then appeared as Locke and told him to kill Jacob.[/quote]

    Sorry — I am not the one who said that Ben never worked for Jacob, that was LostLove. I was just chiming in my thoughts about Ben’s allegiances and actions and replied to your post.

    I agree with you that it is clear he was tricked by MIB to kill Jacob, but I am speculating whether in his previous actions that showed he was “corrupted”, if he was also unknowingly tricked by MIB.

  265. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="371763"][quote comment="371750"]Well we could have made this much shorter if you had said this:

    “It is clear Ben worked for Jacob, but I just wonder if by acting on his own for his own interests, he was deceived by MIB and fell under his influence, eventually betraying Jacob? Sort of like Judas in the story of Jesus?”

    BEFORE you said this:

    “IMO I don’t believe Ben ever worked for Jacob.”

    I am fairly certain that Ben was corrupting (remember MIB saying that to Jacob) that took him out of favor. They were waiting for Locke to be their new leader, Ben got a tumor on his spine, etc. He was tricked by MIB, not ‘influenced’. MIB appeared as Alex and told him he had to do whatever Locke said. Then appeared as Locke and told him to kill Jacob.[/quote]

    Sorry — I am not the one who said that Ben never worked for Jacob, that was LostLove. I was just chiming in my thoughts about Ben’s allegiances and actions and replied to your post.

    I agree with you that it is clear he was tricked by MIB to kill Jacob, but I am speculating whether in his previous actions that showed he was “corrupted”, if he was also unknowingly tricked by MIB.[/quote]
    Oops, may bad.

    I favor unknowingly, but easily convinced once he realized Locke was his replacement.

  266. Aggie Mo says:

    [quote comment="371753"][quote comment="371729"][quote comment="371719"]Thinking back to the cabin when Ben and Locke were there. We know that Jacob was not in the cabin (he hasn’t been here in a long time -Illana) and Locke hears a voice saying, “Save me.” Ben assumes that this is Jacob at the time and says something like, “You can hear him?” Now I think that this is MIB, which suggests this recruiting has been going on for a while.[/quote]

    I agree — I think that John Locke (the real man) was duped by MIB all along — he was the one in the cabin, and he was in the form of Christian Shepherd telling John how to turn the wheel — and I’ll bet it was his idea that “John had to die” to bring the others back.[/quote]

    If you go back and watch last seasons ep “The Variable” we see that it was in fact the MIBs idea for John Locke to die (we didnt know who MIB was yet though…)

    Locke comes back and greets Richard, and says “do you have my compass?” (remember Locke gave it to Richard in 1954 shortly after Richard gave it to him in the woods,,,) Then they travel out in to the woods… Locke tells Richard that a man will appear in the woods,,,and to give him the compass (this is where the loop starts -2007- Richard gives Locke the compass again, Locke gives it back to Richard in 1954— SO Richard is always looking for Locke, who is born in 1956, if I’m not mistaken) Then fake Locke tells Richard to tell Locke that he needs to die. Richard does this, all along believing it is really Locke telling him.

    Then theres this exchange after Locke flashes out…
    Richard: well, its a good thing you didn’t really need to die.
    (MIB)Locke: well, actually Richard, I did.

    So I think this shows that MOST of the weird an unexplainable things and bad deeds done by the Others, were due to MIBs influence, not Jacobs… MIB had been lurking quietly for years and years, putting bits and peices of his thing together…[/quote]

    I need to go back and watch that episode again when I have time — so to confirm, it was the resurrected Locke (MIB) that gave the compass to Richard?

  267. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="371758"][quote comment="371757"][quote comment="371756"][quote comment="371702"][quote comment="371692"][quote comment="371689"][/quote]
    [/quote]
    [/quote]

    [/quote]
    [/quote]

    I like it Dadman

    Hammer, while I agree with you,,, I think it would be interesting if we saw that Juliettes sister -never- has cancer in the sideways…

    …Dogen saves his son,,, by never getting into the accident…[/quote]
    Works for me.

  268. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="371760"][quote comment="371757"]I think Sawyers next episode is going to have Juliette in it and they are going to have coffee and go dutch…per the rest of her statement before she died.[/quote]

    Love it!

    : ) P[/quote]
    _________________________________
    I was thinking this would be the final scene of the series. Sawyer and Juliet get a happy ending.

  269. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="371765"][quote comment="371753"][quote comment="371729"][quote comment="371719"]Thinking back to the cabin when Ben and Locke were there. We know that Jacob was not in the cabin (he hasn’t been here in a long time -Illana) and Locke hears a voice saying, “Save me.” Ben assumes that this is Jacob at the time and says something like, “You can hear him?” Now I think that this is MIB, which suggests this recruiting has been going on for a while.[/quote]

    I agree — I think that John Locke (the real man) was duped by MIB all along — he was the one in the cabin, and he was in the form of Christian Shepherd telling John how to turn the wheel — and I’ll bet it was his idea that “John had to die” to bring the others back.[/quote]

    If you go back and watch last seasons ep “The Variable” we see that it was in fact the MIBs idea for John Locke to die (we didnt know who MIB was yet though…)

    Locke comes back and greets Richard, and says “do you have my compass?” (remember Locke gave it to Richard in 1954 shortly after Richard gave it to him in the woods,,,) Then they travel out in to the woods… Locke tells Richard that a man will appear in the woods,,,and to give him the compass (this is where the loop starts -2007- Richard gives Locke the compass again, Locke gives it back to Richard in 1954— SO Richard is always looking for Locke, who is born in 1956, if I’m not mistaken) Then fake Locke tells Richard to tell Locke that he needs to die. Richard does this, all along believing it is really Locke telling him.

    Then theres this exchange after Locke flashes out…
    Richard: well, its a good thing you didn’t really need to die.
    (MIB)Locke: well, actually Richard, I did.

    So I think this shows that MOST of the weird an unexplainable things and bad deeds done by the Others, were due to MIBs influence, not Jacobs… MIB had been lurking quietly for years and years, putting bits and peices of his thing together…[/quote]

    I need to go back and watch that episode again when I have time — so to confirm, it was the resurrected Locke (MIB) that gave the compass to Richard?[/quote]
    _______________________________
    Also agree it was MIB in Jacob’s cabin the first time. I think it is important for MIB to kill and become one the numbers (4 – Locke) because it royally disrupts Jacob’s plan.

  270. Bacon Is My Constant says:

    [quote comment="371689"]I think Dogen was manipulated onto the island by MIB and Jacob befriended him which is why he was keeping MIB away at this point. What he said about not seeking his little boy anymore seems like manipulation. Jacob doesn’t seem to have to manipulate since he allows people to have a choice. I think Jacob offers opportunities based on freewill. MIB offers a bribe based on his own agenda. For that reason, I think Dogen was not talking to Jacob off the island when he was asked to come to the island. Also, since it seems Ben was talking to MIB thinking he was getting orders from Jacob it seems just as likely that Dogen was misled by MIB.

    Thoughts?[/quote]

    i don’t really see Jacob as the one who represents free will/ having a choice. He touched the candidates to get them to the island; his physical presence was necessary for that to happen. MIB is the one who told sawyer he had 3 choices (even if he’s lying?). He also told those at the temple that they had a choice to go or stay.
    While there is an element of good vs. evil present, there’s also faith vs. free will. I think that they key is not which force will win but the face that there is a balance of both.

  271. wallyp says:

    [quote comment="371765"][/quote]

    I need to go back and watch that episode again when I have time — so to confirm, it was the resurrected Locke (MIB) that gave the compass to Richard?[/quote]

    Yes, but its complicated Richard gives it to Locke (2007), Locke gives it to Richard (1954), Richard holds onto it for years, even shows it to childhood Locke, then he gives it to MIB-Locke in 2007, when he says “hi, you got my compass?”… then they go to the woods, MIB hands Richard the compass to give to Locke… ala loop…

  272. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="371769"][quote comment="371689"]I think Dogen was manipulated onto the island by MIB and Jacob befriended him which is why he was keeping MIB away at this point. What he said about not seeking his little boy anymore seems like manipulation. Jacob doesn’t seem to have to manipulate since he allows people to have a choice. I think Jacob offers opportunities based on freewill. MIB offers a bribe based on his own agenda. For that reason, I think Dogen was not talking to Jacob off the island when he was asked to come to the island. Also, since it seems Ben was talking to MIB thinking he was getting orders from Jacob it seems just as likely that Dogen was misled by MIB.

    Thoughts?[/quote]

    i don’t really see Jacob as the one who represents free will/ having a choice. He touched the candidates to get them to the island; his physical presence was necessary for that to happen. MIB is the one who told sawyer he had 3 choices (even if he’s lying?). He also told those at the temple that they had a choice to go or stay.
    While there is an element of good vs. evil present, there’s also faith vs. free will. I think that they key is not which force will win but the face that there is a balance of both.[/quote]
    MIB = Go or die, not go or stay.
    Jacob to Ben = Kill ME or leave, not leave or die.
    MIB = Only offer choices when he needs the person to stay alive for his loophole. (Needs Sawyer, needs Sayid.)

  273. Miraks says:

    [quote comment="371749"][quote comment="371747"][quote comment="371744"][quote comment="371731"]
    Ben…
    I even wonder — his mass murder of the Dharmites — was that ordered by Jacob? Maybe it was but I don’t really know.

    [/quote]

    Well we saw that Richard was involved, so I would think that Jacob was OK with it.

  274. Guttahman says:

    Since we’ve been on the topic of the Cabin lately, it makes me wonder who the cabin was originally for. We are told its Jacobs cabin but the only people we have seen in it are Christian and Claire, and we know Claire is on MIB’s team…which makes me think the cabin belonged to MIB…thus the ring of ash around it, to keep MIB in…why would Jacob need a ring of ash?

    Which brings me to my next point, if Ben was told all these years that this is Jacobs cabin then perhaps he has been manipulated alot longer than we had thought, maybe even Richard too…If Richard was bringing Ben the list of names from Jacob, the list with the losties name on it for instance, do you think its safe to assume Ben has been getting lists from MIB too? For instance, all the people he had Sayid kill back home. It could also be that Ben just went rogue, started doing things to benefit himself other than the island, like his war with Widmore…to me it doesnt seem to tie into anything Jacob has been trying to do, unless it is somehow a part of MIB’s master plan to rid the island of Widmore, but then again according to Ben, Widmore went rogue too, which is why he was banished from the island.

  275. Guttahman says:

    Also….in all the names we have seen in the grotto and the lighthouse…anyone see the name Linus?

  276. Lind says:

    [quote comment="371770"][quote comment="371765"][/quote]

    I need to go back and watch that episode again when I have time — so to confirm, it was the resurrected Locke (MIB) that gave the compass to Richard?[/quote]

    Yes, but its complicated

    Richard gives it to Locke (2007), Locke gives it to Richard (1954), Richard holds onto it for years, even shows it to childhood Locke, then he gives it to MIB-Locke in 2007, when he says “hi, you got my compass?”… then they go to the woods, MIB hands Richard the compass to give to Locke… ala loop…[/quote]

    Yes, the compass doesn’t have an origin. This is similar to Farraday’s notebook… his mother gives it to him upon graduation, but she gets it FROM him back in 1977.

  277. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="371772"][quote comment="371749"][quote comment="371747"][quote comment="371744"][quote comment="371731"]
    Ben…
    I even wonder — his mass murder of the Dharmites — was that ordered by Jacob? Maybe it was but I don’t really know.

    [/quote]

    Well we saw that Richard was involved, so I would think that Jacob was OK with it.[/quote]
    Free will = falling out of favor…always ends the same…

  278. Lind says:

    [quote comment="371774"]Also….in all the names we have seen in the grotto and the lighthouse…anyone see the name Linus?[/quote]

    Yes, his name was in the cave…I don’t remember which number his was, but his name was crossed out.

  279. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="371774"]Also….in all the names we have seen in the grotto and the lighthouse…anyone see the name Linus?[/quote]
    Yes…Linus is 117.

  280. Guttahman says:

    [quote comment="371778"][quote comment="371774"]Also….in all the names we have seen in the grotto and the lighthouse…anyone see the name Linus?[/quote]
    Yes…Linus is 117.[/quote]

    Thank you kindly Hammer and Lind

  281. Jaime says:

    [quote comment="371706"]Illana didn’t see Sayid last in this episode did she? Just thought it would be interesting, since she’s the one who brought him to the island on Ajira in handcuffs.[/quote]
    ***********************************

    Right, she hasn’t seen him since he flashed out of the plane. There is definitely something to see with the two of them i think. Jacob wanted her to “help him” (Russian hospital scene), the next we saw of her she was escorting Sayid onto the Ajira flight. Was she really a bounty hunter or did she just say that to get him on the plane for Jacob. It will be an interesting scene when they finally meet face to face again on the island.

  282. Jaime says:

    [quote comment="371715"][quote comment="371713"][quote comment="371494"]Oh boy!! “Questions will be answered!” I cannot wait!

    I just worry.. “Sundown” – let’s hope this doesn’t mean our lovely Korean friend is in trouble![/quote]

    What are the questions that are still out there that you must have answers for by the end of all of his, otherwise you will be majorly disappointed?[/quote]
    Only two mandatory for me…who/what are MIB and Jacob…source of the whispers.[/quote]
    ****************************************

    I remember reading you wispers theory awhile back Hammer. I should read it again now that we are in season 6. Have any of your theories panned out yet?

  283. rowjimmy says:

    [quote comment="371761"][quote comment="371759"]In the lighthouse mirror we see Jacks childhood home that he hasn’t lived in for 20years.Jacob touched Jack at the hospital when he was an adult not when he was a child, that means Jacob touched Christian at that point in time in the mirror.Reasoning being Shinto temple = Kwons.Church steeple = Sawyer.[/quote]

    I think a possible reason we saw Jack’s childhood home is because we have no idea what his current home looks like from the outside. Some speculate that it is because Jack has been watched for a long time. Others say that it because that was once Christian’s home. Another possibility is that it is because GrandDad Ray was a candidate.

    I don’t know that when Jacob touched the LOSTies and what was reflected in the mirror necessarily have to correlate.

    ) P[/quote]
    In the popup version of Lighthouse they tie in the pictures with each individual persons corresponding number/degree,Shinto Temple=Sun&Jin’s wedding Jacob touched them. Church=where Sawyers parents funeral was where Jacob touches Sawyer.Home = Jacks childhood home.Jack was touched in the hospital by Jacob not as a child at home.So he touched another Shepard at that house.Logical person would be Christian, because Jack said it was the house he grew up in.

  284. Jaime says:

    He probably still has slivers of Dharma ham lodged in his molars. [/quote]

    Hahahaha I almost spit my coffee out when i read this.

  285. Jaime says:

    [quote comment="371767"][quote comment="371760"][quote comment="371757"]I think Sawyers next episode is going to have Juliette in it and they are going to have coffee and go dutch…per the rest of her statement before she died.[/quote]

    Love it!

    : ) P[/quote]
    _________________________________
    I was thinking this would be the final scene of the series. Sawyer and Juliet get a happy ending.[/quote]
    ***************************************

    If the writers want to go totally sappy on us this would be a good thing. IMHO we will see Juliet say those words just not to Sawyer.

  286. LizS says:

    [quote comment="371773"]Since we’ve been on the topic of the Cabin lately, it makes me wonder who the cabin was originally for. We are told its Jacobs cabin but the only people we have seen in it are Christian and Claire, and we know Claire is on MIB’s team…which makes me think the cabin belonged to MIB…thus the ring of ash around it, to keep MIB in…why would Jacob need a ring of ash?[/quote]
    I wondered about that as well, but I think it could have been Jacob’s cabin at one point, maybe during the Last Candidate Era, and then stuff went south, and Jacob moved. Maybe trapping MIB in the cabin for a while? Someone seems to have trapped MIB there, at least at some point, given the ash.

    MIB didn’t seem to have any idea Jacob lived in the bottom of the statue. Jacob’s probably had to move around a bit–or has chosen to move around.

  287. rowjimmy says:

    [quote comment="371785"][quote comment="371773"]Since we’ve been on the topic of the Cabin lately, it makes me wonder who the cabin was originally for. We are told its Jacobs cabin but the only people we have seen in it are Christian and Claire, and we know Claire is on MIB’s team…which makes me think the cabin belonged to MIB…thus the ring of ash around it, to keep MIB in…why would Jacob need a ring of ash?[/quote]
    I wondered about that as well, but I think it could have been Jacob’s cabin at one point, maybe during the Last Candidate Era, and then stuff went south, and Jacob moved. Maybe trapping MIB in the cabin for a while? Someone seems to have trapped MIB there, at least at some point, given the ash.

    MIB didn’t seem to have any idea Jacob lived in the bottom of the statue. Jacob’s probably had to move around a bit–or has chosen to move around.[/quote]
    MIB asked Locke to help him in the cabin maybe he needed to break the circle of ash to escape the cabin.But if MIB is trapped in the cabin up to that point how is the Smoke monster running around the island before that?Thoughts

  288. LizS says:

    [quote comment="371786"][quote comment="371785"][quote comment="371773"]
    MIB asked Locke to help him in the cabin maybe he needed to break the circle of ash to escape the cabin.But if MIB is trapped in the cabin up to that point how is the Smoke monster running around the island before that?Thoughts[/quote]
    Yah, good point! And…I got nothing, LOL! But Ilana had knowledge of the ash circle, and that ‘he’ got out, so…when was the last time she was on Island?

  289. LizS says:

    Ugh, with the formatting! sorry rowjimmy

  290. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="371781"][quote comment="371715"][quote comment="371713"][quote comment="371494"]Oh boy!! “Questions will be answered!” I cannot wait!

    I just worry.. “Sundown” – let’s hope this doesn’t mean our lovely Korean friend is in trouble![/quote]

    What are the questions that are still out there that you must have answers for by the end of all of his, otherwise you will be majorly disappointed?[/quote]
    Only two mandatory for me…who/what are MIB and Jacob…source of the whispers.[/quote]
    ****************************************

    I remember reading you wispers theory awhile back Hammer. I should read it again now that we are in season 6. Have any of your theories panned out yet?[/quote]
    Not many LOL. My numbers theory is still a little promising as it appears that the O6 was close to what the main numbers represented and I still think that DHARMA was trying to change a person to change the equation. Old theories I am waiting for are the whisperers, and Des and Penny being Adam and Eve.

  291. Guttahman says:

    [quote comment="371787"][quote comment="371786"][quote comment="371785"][quote comment="371773"]
    MIB asked Locke to help him in the cabin maybe he needed to break the circle of ash to escape the cabin.But if MIB is trapped in the cabin up to that point how is the Smoke monster running around the island before that?Thoughts[/quote]
    Yah, good point! And…I got nothing, LOL! But Ilana had knowledge of the ash circle, and that ‘he’ got out, so…when was the last time she was on Island?[/quote]

    There are still alot of mysteries about the cabin and its purpose, but we do know that the ash is what protects someone from smokie…maybe the rules have changed though, we never saw a break in the ring around the temple so how exactly did MIB get in? We seen what happened with Brahm (i think thats his name) in the statue, smokie was able to knock him out of his circle and kill him

  292. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="371773"]Since we’ve been on the topic of the Cabin lately, it makes me wonder who the cabin was originally for. We are told its Jacobs cabin but the only people we have seen in it are Christian and Claire, and we know Claire is on MIB’s team…which makes me think the cabin belonged to MIB…thus the ring of ash around it, to keep MIB in…why would Jacob need a ring of ash?

    Which brings me to my next point, if Ben was told all these years that this is Jacobs cabin then perhaps he has been manipulated alot longer than we had thought, maybe even Richard too…If Richard was bringing Ben the list of names from Jacob, the list with the losties name on it for instance, do you think its safe to assume Ben has been getting lists from MIB too? For instance, all the people he had Sayid kill back home. It could also be that Ben just went rogue, started doing things to benefit himself other than the island, like his war with Widmore…to me it doesnt seem to tie into anything Jacob has been trying to do, unless it is somehow a part of MIB’s master plan to rid the island of Widmore, but then again according to Ben, Widmore went rogue too, which is why he was banished from the island.[/quote]
    _______________________________
    It makes sense to me that Ben was being pushed by the smoke monster for a long time. I think the ghost of Ben’s mom that he saw as a kid on the island was smokey. That led him to join the others. When Ben and Locke first went to the cabin the ash ring was broken, so smokey was in there for a while. I don’t think the people Sayid killed were candidates on Jacob’s list though. Those were people who worked for Widmore – a list Ben created.

  293. rowjimmy says:

    This points to my theory of Christian=Jacob also. If it is MIB in the cabin how could he be Christian ?

  294. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="371790"][quote comment="371787"][quote comment="371786"][quote comment="371785"][quote comment="371773"]
    We seen what happened with Brahm (i think thats his name) in the statue, smokie was able to knock him out of his circle and kill him[/quote]
    I actually laughed out loud at that. Brahm looked so relieved that he got the ash down in time, but never thought about the circle being too small to stay in.

  295. Guttahman says:

    [/quote]
    I actually laughed out loud at that. Brahm looked so relieved that he got the ash down in time, but never thought about the circle being too small to stay in.[/quote]

    Glad I wasnt the only one who laughed at him…I never liked that guy!!

  296. rowjimmy says:

    [quote comment="371791"][quote comment="371773"]Since we’ve been on the topic of the Cabin lately, it makes me wonder who the cabin was originally for. We are told its Jacobs cabin but the only people we have seen in it are Christian and Claire, and we know Claire is on MIB’s team…which makes me think the cabin belonged to MIB…thus the ring of ash around it, to keep MIB in…why would Jacob need a ring of ash?

    Which brings me to my next point, if Ben was told all these years that this is Jacobs cabin then perhaps he has been manipulated alot longer than we had thought, maybe even Richard too…If Richard was bringing Ben the list of names from Jacob, the list with the losties name on it for instance, do you think its safe to assume Ben has been getting lists from MIB too? For instance, all the people he had Sayid kill back home. It could also be that Ben just went rogue, started doing things to benefit himself other than the island, like his war with Widmore…to me it doesnt seem to tie into anything Jacob has been trying to do, unless it is somehow a part of MIB’s master plan to rid the island of Widmore, but then again according to Ben, Widmore went rogue too, which is why he was banished from the island.[/quote]
    _______________________________
    It makes sense to me that Ben was being pushed by the smoke monster for a long time. I think the ghost of Ben’s mom that he saw as a kid on the island was smokey. That led him to join the others. When Ben and Locke first went to the cabin the ash ring was broken, so smokey was in there for a while. I don’t think the people Sayid killed were candidates on Jacob’s list though. Those were people who worked for Widmore – a list Ben created.[/quote]
    If the ash ring was broken when Ben&Locke are in the cabin why would MIB still be there when they arrived?I seem to recall Locke noticed the ash later when he was going back to the cabin solo.If the ring was broken before Ben&locke arrive why would MIB be asking for help?Why would he have been there?Obviously Illana knew it was Jacobs cabin she went there first to find him not MIB.Jacob left the clue that he was in the foot of the statue now.
    I’m wrapping my head in duct tape to keep it from exploding right now!

  297. Jaime says:

    [quote comment="371789"][quote comment="371781"][quote comment="371715"][quote comment="371713"][quote comment="371494"]Oh boy!! “Questions will be answered!” I cannot wait!

    I just worry.. “Sundown” – let’s hope this doesn’t mean our lovely Korean friend is in trouble![/quote]

    What are the questions that are still out there that you must have answers for by the end of all of his, otherwise you will be majorly disappointed?[/quote]
    Only two mandatory for me…who/what are MIB and Jacob…source of the whispers.[/quote]
    ****************************************

    I remember reading you wispers theory awhile back Hammer. I should read it again now that we are in season 6. Have any of your theories panned out yet?[/quote]
    Not many LOL. My numbers theory is still a little promising as it appears that the O6 was close to what the main numbers represented and I still think that DHARMA was trying to change a person to change the equation. Old theories I am waiting for are the whisperers, and Des and Penny being Adam and Eve.[/quote]
    *******************************************

    They had better explain the whispers!! We havnt heard them lately, have we? Were there whispers in the last ep when smokey came to Sayid in the jungle? Did you write out your #’s theory? I’d like to read it. I love the idea of Dharma trying to change a person to change the equation.

  298. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="371796"][quote comment="371789"][quote comment="371781"][quote comment="371715"][quote comment="371713"][quote comment="371494"][/quote][/quote]
    [/quote][/quote]
    [/quote]
    *******************************************

    They had better explain the whispers!! We havnt heard them lately, have we? Were there whispers in the last ep when smokey came to Sayid in the jungle? Did you write out your #’s theory? I’d like to read it. I love the idea of Dharma trying to change a person to change the equation.[/quote]
    I believe there where whispers in LA X when Kate was at the temple.

    They usually would happen when the others where about to appear, not Smokey.

    My number theory:
    http://www.lostblog.net/lost/tv/show/numbers-theory

    My whisperers theory:
    http://www.lostblog.net/lost/tv/show/the-whisperers-theory

  299. Snaisy says:

    [quote comment="371735"]Jacob and the Other Man I surmise are the same man, opposite dualities of a huge complex personality, just as the Lost characters either reflect one or the other or have their own dualities. Brecht created the same story in “The Good Person of Schezwan”. I’ve known people this complicated and conflicted, literally wonderful and/or evil depending on the situation.

    One side of Jacob can’t kill the other because he can not kill himself, not in that way. His harm is limited to a game, because it would be suicide if real. That doesn’t mean others don’t die but his life is not at stake all appearances to the contrary.

    The crashless story line can not end well no matter how sunny it seems at times. They did not experience what was necessary to grow and solve their lives’ problems, they are left too small to grasp them. On the island, they found their true natures, for better or worse, but as toys in a metaphysical game played by a god who is both a monster and a savior.

    Let Abrams live up to that.[/quote]

    agreed!!

  300. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="371795"][quote comment="371791"][quote comment="371773"]Since we’ve been on the topic of the Cabin lately, it makes me wonder who the cabin was originally for. We are told its Jacobs cabin but the only people we have seen in it are Christian and Claire, and we know Claire is on MIB’s team…which makes me think the cabin belonged to MIB…thus the ring of ash around it, to keep MIB in…why would Jacob need a ring of ash?

    Which brings me to my next point, if Ben was told all these years that this is Jacobs cabin then perhaps he has been manipulated alot longer than we had thought, maybe even Richard too…If Richard was bringing Ben the list of names from Jacob, the list with the losties name on it for instance, do you think its safe to assume Ben has been getting lists from MIB too? For instance, all the people he had Sayid kill back home. It could also be that Ben just went rogue, started doing things to benefit himself other than the island, like his war with Widmore…to me it doesnt seem to tie into anything Jacob has been trying to do, unless it is somehow a part of MIB’s master plan to rid the island of Widmore, but then again according to Ben, Widmore went rogue too, which is why he was banished from the island.[/quote]
    _______________________________
    It makes sense to me that Ben was being pushed by the smoke monster for a long time. I think the ghost of Ben’s mom that he saw as a kid on the island was smokey. That led him to join the others. When Ben and Locke first went to the cabin the ash ring was broken, so smokey was in there for a while. I don’t think the people Sayid killed were candidates on Jacob’s list though. Those were people who worked for Widmore – a list Ben created.[/quote]
    If the ash ring was broken when Ben&Locke are in the cabin why would MIB still be there when they arrived?I seem to recall Locke noticed the ash later when he was going back to the cabin solo.If the ring was broken before Ben&locke arrive why would MIB be asking for help?Why would he have been there?Obviously Illana knew it was Jacobs cabin she went there first to find him not MIB.Jacob left the clue that he was in the foot of the statue now.
    I’m wrapping my head in duct tape to keep it from exploding right now![/quote]
    _________________________________
    I retract my previous statement that the ash ring was broken on Locke’s first visit to the cabin. Lostpedia says, “The line appeared to be intact in all occasions when it was found in 2004″. Therefor, it is uncertain as to whether or not it was Jacob or MIB who said, “Help me.”

  301. LostJunkie says:

    Thinking about Christian…I think it’s not merely coincidence that they’ve never found his body in the coffin, and that even in the sideways timeline his body is also missing.

    There is something to his body being missing. By this time in the series, near the end, they’ve pretty much shown us that the MIB can appear as dead people (like Alex, Locke, etc etc). It’s been established. And since they have gone out of their way to show us that Christian’s body was never found…well, I’m going with the theory that Christian’s appearances on the island were not as MIB.

  302. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="371798"][quote comment="371735"]

    Let Abrams live up to that.[/quote]

    agreed!![/quote]

    Yes, well, except JJ Abrams hasn’t had anything to do with the series since season one.

    : ) P

  303. DocH says:

    [quote comment="371801"]
    Yes, well, except JJ Abrams hasn’t had anything to do with the series since season one.
    : ) P
    [/quote]
    I disagree. I think he has… 1 – Been pulling down a decent paycheck as Executive Producer of the Bad Robot production, and 2 – Been doing a bi-annual interview for the past 4.5 years to reiterate that he has absolutely nothing to do with the creative course of the show since season one. [;^D)

  304. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="371802"][quote comment="371801"]
    Yes, well, except JJ Abrams hasn’t had anything to do with the series since season one.
    : ) P
    [/quote]
    I disagree. I think he has… 1 – Been pulling down a decent paycheck as Executive Producer of the Bad Robot production, and 2 – Been doing a bi-annual interview for the past 4.5 years to reiterate that he has absolutely nothing to do with the creative course of the show since season one. [;^D)[/quote]

    Touché!

    : ) P

  305. LizS says:

    [quote comment="371799"][quote comment="371795"][quote comment="371791"][quote comment="371773"]Since [/quote]
    _________________________________
    I retract my previous statement that the ash ring was broken on Locke’s first visit to the cabin. Lostpedia says, “The line appeared to be intact in all occasions when it was found in 2004″. Therefor, it is uncertain as to whether or not it was Jacob or MIB who said, “Help me.”[/quote]

    Hmm, right, so the ash could have been to keep MIB out, not trap him in. But then, ‘help me’?? Christian and Crazy Claire? A tad confusing. Unless as has been said, MIB is manipulating Ben & Locke at that point. Which makes the ash line…? Either broken in some other place, lol, or rendered a moot point by some other circumstance we don’t know about.

    Assuming Christian is MIB manifest.

    So then, Christian appearing to Frank & Sun?

  306. Lisa says:

    Poor Sayid. :(
    This was a REALLY interesting episode…by far the best this season so far!
    More good recaps here too: http://tinyurl.com/yzjohyd

  307. Sassafras says:

    That scene in the restaurant kitchen was bugging me and I just realized why. Is it the same kitchen where Naomi brought Miles to test him with the dead body when she was recruiting for Widmore? (Or did they just reuse the set – LOL.) If so, would point to a continued Widmore-Keamy connection.

  308. wallyp says:

    [quote comment="371811"]That scene in the restaurant kitchen was bugging me and I just realized why. Is it the same kitchen where Naomi brought Miles to test him with the dead body when she was recruiting for Widmore? (Or did they just reuse the set – LOL.) If so, would point to a continued Widmore-Keamy connection.[/quote]

    I thought that right away it was the same kitchen, but I wasnt sure if I was just reaching for similarities or not. Honestly I’m not sure… but if it is the same, I’d bet you’re onto something… (I’m banking on the Keamy-Widmore connection anyway…)

  309. Sassafras says:

    [quote comment="371789"][quote comment="371781"][quote comment="371715"][quote comment="371713"][quote comment="371494"]Oh boy!! “Questions will be answered!” I cannot wait!

    I just worry.. “Sundown” – let’s hope this doesn’t mean our lovely Korean friend is in trouble![/quote]

    What are the questions that are still out there that you must have answers for by the end of all of his, otherwise you will be majorly disappointed?[/quote]
    Only two mandatory for me…who/what are MIB and Jacob…source of the whispers.[/quote]
    ****************************************

    I remember reading you wispers theory awhile back Hammer. I should read it again now that we are in season 6. Have any of your theories panned out yet?[/quote]
    Not many LOL. My numbers theory is still a little promising as it appears that the O6 was close to what the main numbers represented and I still think that DHARMA was trying to change a person to change the equation. Old theories I am waiting for are the whisperers, and Des and Penny being Adam and Eve.[/quote]

    And you were right about the runway.

  310. Shadow says:

    a few people have commented that off-island Sayid was assassinating people on Jacob’s list when he was working for Ben. do we know this for sure. I never thought they were Jacob’s list of candidates that Ben was having killed. Not sure if they were Widmore’s people either. Am I wrong, or has it been revealed on the show and I just happened to miss it?

  311. Miss lost says:

    In regards to the whispers…I went to that thread and tried to read thru a few of the posts and had something to add now that we are further into the show.
    IMO the whispers are MIB. Remember when Ben kidnapped Alex he told Danielle when you hear the whispers RUN! Whispers are evil and are related to MIB.
    Maybe the “dialogue” we hear is between him and any of the deceased on the island. Maybe he can communicate with them in somewhat the same way Miles can hear their last thoughts. He could be communicating for various reasons. Trying to scare others, trying to entice the deceased on “his side.”
    Is it possible that some of the “ghost appearances” of Horace and Ben’s mom could have been MIB?
    Ben was scared when he heard those whispers, but if MIB was appearing as his mom he could have been setting Ben up for a very long time. Along this theme is the fact that smokie would come to Ben’s defense as needed (kill Keamy’s team) b/c ultimately he knew he was going to use Ben to get to Jacob!
    As far as I can remember, Jacob communicates thru Richard or makes an appearance himself. He has revealed himself as we have seen on numerous occasions.
    MIB is never himself. He is smokey, or whispering or taking on the appearance of dead people.
    Just thought I would revive some of the talk on the whispers and hope it is ok to do it in this thread and not the whispers thread.

  312. ethan says:

    [quote comment="371815"]a few people have commented that off-island Sayid was assassinating people on Jacob’s list when he was working for Ben. do we know this for sure. I never thought they were Jacob’s list of candidates that Ben was having killed. Not sure if they were Widmore’s people either. Am I wrong, or has it been revealed on the show and I just happened to miss it?[/quote]

    Maybe Ben was already being manipulated by MIB at that point? So, Sayid was killing candidates, eliminating them for MIB… Have we seen any of the assassinated people’s names on the cave or lighthouse wheel?

  313. Aggie Mo says:

    [quote comment="371816"]In regards to the whispers…I went to that thread and tried to read thru a few of the posts and had something to add now that we are further into the show.
    IMO the whispers are MIB. Remember when Ben kidnapped Alex he told Danielle when you hear the whispers RUN! Whispers are evil and are related to MIB.
    Maybe the “dialogue” we hear is between him and any of the deceased on the island. Maybe he can communicate with them in somewhat the same way Miles can hear their last thoughts. He could be communicating for various reasons. Trying to scare others, trying to entice the deceased on “his side.”
    Is it possible that some of the “ghost appearances” of Horace and Ben’s mom could have been MIB?
    Ben was scared when he heard those whispers, but if MIB was appearing as his mom he could have been setting Ben up for a very long time. Along this theme is the fact that smokie would come to Ben’s defense as needed (kill Keamy’s team) b/c ultimately he knew he was going to use Ben to get to Jacob!
    As far as I can remember, Jacob communicates thru Richard or makes an appearance himself. He has revealed himself as we have seen on numerous occasions.
    MIB is never himself. He is smokey, or whispering or taking on the appearance of dead people.
    Just thought I would revive some of the talk on the whispers and hope it is ok to do it in this thread and not the whispers thread.[/quote]

    I agree — I think Ben has been duped by MIB on numerous occasions.

  314. Circus Mom says:

    Re: the cabin.

    We never saw Richard say it was Jacobs cabin.

    Ben said that Richard keept telling him he had to wait to meet Jacob. Ben could have found the cabin himself. When Locke demanded to be taken to Jacob Ben took him to the cabin to kill him. MIB, who was trapped there at the time, showed himself to Locke and said “Help me.” Now Locke thinks it is Jacobs cabin.

    Ilana never says it is Jacobs cabin. She says “Wer’re here” and ” He isn’t there, hasn’t been in a long time. Someone else has been using it.” and “Burn it”. She could have been goint there to kill MIB. When she found the tapastry she could have known that MIB knew where to find Jacob.

    When Flock told Richard to bring everyone to Jacob Richard thought it was Locke and brought everyone to the FTS. He knew that was where Jacob was.

  315. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="371820"]Re: the cabin.

    We never saw Richard say it was Jacobs cabin.

    Ben said that Richard keept telling him he had to wait to meet Jacob. Ben could have found the cabin himself. When Locke demanded to be taken to Jacob Ben took him to the cabin to kill him. MIB, who was trapped there at the time, showed himself to Locke and said “Help me.” Now Locke thinks it is Jacobs cabin.

    Ilana never says it is Jacobs cabin. She says “Wer’re here” and ” He isn’t there, hasn’t been in a long time. Someone else has been using it.” and “Burn it”. She could have been goint there to kill MIB. When she found the tapastry she could have known that MIB knew where to find Jacob.

    When Flock told Richard to bring everyone to Jacob Richard thought it was Locke and brought everyone to the FTS. He knew that was where Jacob was.[/quote]

    Very good points, CM. I think there is a lot to be gleaned from what the characters DON’T say as much as what they do.

    : ) P

  316. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="371815"]a few people have commented that off-island Sayid was assassinating people on Jacob’s list when he was working for Ben. do we know this for sure. I never thought they were Jacob’s list of candidates that Ben was having killed. Not sure if they were Widmore’s people either. Am I wrong, or has it been revealed on the show and I just happened to miss it?[/quote]

    I believe you are right. This is another example of fans connecting dots and assuming things. Sayid was killing at Ben’s behest. Whatever Ben told Sayid is not necessarily the truth.

    : ) P

  317. Circus Mom says:

    MIB may not be the smoke monster.

    BEN: Well, I starting thinking differently about things when my dead daughter threatened to destroy me if I didn’t do everything you said.

    LOCKE: [stopping Ben] Whoa, whoa, wait…where did this happen?

    BEN: In that cavern, beneath the Temple. When we went to see the monster.

    LOCKE: So you’re willing to do whatever I say, no matter what it is?

    BEN: Yes.

    LOCKE: [grinning] Well, then. I guess I won’t have to convince you after all.

    BEN: Convince me to do what?

    LOCKE: I’m not going to kill Jacob, Ben. You are.

    Locke dindn’t know what Alex told Ben. Someone had once suggested more than one smoke monster. Someone had also suggested that Flock only pretended to Ben that he was the one to kill Bram and crew. Perhaps if MIB had been able to appear as other people he could copy the monster too. Or perhaps once a special person appears as a smoke monster they are then limited to one human form to copy. Explaining why MIB is stuck as Flocke.

  318. Miss lost says:

    [quote comment="371823"]MIB may not be the smoke monster.

    BEN: Well, I starting thinking differently about things when my dead daughter threatened to destroy me if I didn’t do everything you said.

    LOCKE: [stopping Ben] Whoa, whoa, wait…where did this happen?

    BEN: In that cavern, beneath the Temple. When we went to see the monster.

    LOCKE: So you’re willing to do whatever I say, no matter what it is?

    BEN: Yes.

    LOCKE: [grinning] Well, then. I guess I won’t have to convince you after all.

    BEN: Convince me to do what?

    LOCKE: I’m not going to kill Jacob, Ben. You are.

    Locke dindn’t know what Alex told Ben. Someone had once suggested more than one smoke monster. Someone had also suggested that Flock only pretended to Ben that he was the one to kill Bram and crew. Perhaps if MIB had been able to appear as other people he could copy the monster too. Or perhaps once a special person appears as a smoke monster they are then limited to one human form to copy. Explaining why MIB is stuck as Flocke.[/quote]
    ****************
    I am going to stay in the camp that MIB=smoke monster. I think in the verbal exchange above that Flocke was playing dumb so that it did not appear that he knew to much. He didn’t want to reveal who he really was yet…as he needed John to kill Jacob.
    When Sayid was in the jungle looking for the person to kill in the last episode, we heard the smoke monster noise and moments later Flocke appeared. I think they are one in the same.

  319. DocH says:

    I don’t think that FLocke does not = Smokey is what CM is suggesting. I think she is suggesting that MIB may not necessarily = Smokey. We all saw tikka-tikka Smokey roam the jungle, find Locke’s knife, they put a Flocke foot down and reach down to pick-up the knife. (in The Substitute).

    We have only really seen thee MIB once, more than a century ago, on the beach with Jacob.

    I do feel the FLocke chat with the Kid in the jungle about “not breaking the rules” was a continuation of the MIB-Jacob beach chat. With the Kid as Jacob and FLocke/Smokey as MIB.

  320. wally p says:

    Thinking about Ben, I say the point where he became out of favor with the island, was when he pretended to be Henry Gale. He was up to something. I was thinking first the Dharma purge was his idea, but, that either happened because MIB manipulated him (through his mom?) OR because it needed to happen for Jacob to cover up for the “Incident” …either way, I think that Ben probably respected his position for a while. He’s like one of those creepy boy scout counselors… he knew every in and out of the job… but the Henry Gale act was suspicious all around, Juliette. Once the island took away all he had, he flipped, blamed Charles Whitmore, and set out to kill…

  321. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="371823"]
    Locke dindn’t know what Alex told Ben. Someone had once suggested more than one smoke monster. Someone had also suggested that Flock only pretended to Ben that he was the one to kill Bram and crew. Perhaps if MIB had been able to appear as other people he could copy the monster too. Or perhaps once a special person appears as a smoke monster they are then limited to one human form to copy. Explaining why MIB is stuck as Flocke.[/quote]

    You may be right, but I really saw that as FLocke pretending not to know. Even before we knew that Locke was FLocke, I thought it was might coincidental that Ben and Sun are in New Otherton WAITING for the smoke monster when Locke appeared; then under the temple, Locke leaves and Smokey appears moments later. Then Smokey retreats and Locke returns.

    : ) P

  322. EfRed says:

    MILES:

    Still thinking this guy could be the MAJOR spoiler, and this episode gave me a clue… He told Kate, “Yeah, the blonde Australian girl just came back. Kinda weird, but still hot.” Miles NEVER saw Claire. She went missing before Miles, Faraday & company landed on the island.. he had never seen her before..

    I’m thinking that with Miles’s special gift we as viewers might be witnessing his reality. I think everyone died initially on the plane. Kinda Bruce Willis/Sixth Sense-like

  323. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="371828"]MILES:

    Still thinking this guy could be the MAJOR spoiler, and this episode gave me a clue… He told Kate, “Yeah, the blonde Australian girl just came back. Kinda weird, but still hot.” Miles NEVER saw Claire. She went missing before Miles, Faraday & company landed on the island.. he had never seen her before..

    I’m thinking that with Miles’s special gift we as viewers might be witnessing his reality. I think everyone died initially on the plane. Kinda Bruce Willis/Sixth Sense-like[/quote]

    Yeah, no. I think that Miles was with Sawyer and Claire the night that Claire disappeared. I remember Sawyer telling Miles to back off when Sawyer caught him staring at her.

    : ) P

  324. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="371829"][quote comment="371828"]MILES:

    Still thinking this guy could be the MAJOR spoiler, and this episode gave me a clue… He told Kate, “Yeah, the blonde Australian girl just came back. Kinda weird, but still hot.” Miles NEVER saw Claire. She went missing before Miles, Faraday & company landed on the island.. he had never seen her before..

    I’m thinking that with Miles’s special gift we as viewers might be witnessing his reality. I think everyone died initially on the plane. Kinda Bruce Willis/Sixth Sense-like[/quote]

    Yeah, no. I think that Miles was with Sawyer and Claire the night that Claire disappeared. I remember Sawyer telling Miles to back off when Sawyer caught him staring at her.

    : ) P[/quote]

    From Something Nice Back Home (S4 E10):

    MILES: Whoa! Hey, you want a hand with the baby?

    CLAIRE: (Dismissively) Oh, no, thanks. I’m fine.

    MILES: You sure? I’m good with kids.

    Miles also encountered Claire shortly after her house in New Otherton blew up. He said something that led people to believe that Claire might have already been dead.

    : ) P

  325. Miss lost says:

    [quote comment="371825"]I don’t think that FLocke does not = Smokey is what CM is suggesting. I think she is suggesting that MIB may not necessarily = Smokey. We all saw tikka-tikka Smokey roam the jungle, find Locke’s knife, they put a Flocke foot down and reach down to pick-up the knife. (in The Substitute).

    We have only really seen thee MIB once, more than a century ago, on the beach with Jacob.

    I do feel the FLocke chat with the Kid in the jungle about “not breaking the rules” was a continuation of the MIB-Jacob beach chat. With the Kid as Jacob and FLocke/Smokey as MIB.[/quote]
    *****************
    But Jacob says to Flocke, “so i see you found your loop hole.” Leading us to believe they are one in the same. Or at least leading me to believe they are all the same entity…

  326. DocH says:

    [quote comment="371831"]
    But Jacob says to Flocke, “so i see you found your loop hole.” Leading us to believe they are one in the same. Or at least leading me to believe they are all the same entity…
    [/quote]
    Yes. I agree. That very much adds to the point I was making. MIB=Smokey & Smokey=FLocke, ergo MIB=FLocke. And contradicts the point I was contradicting – MIB may not = Flocke.

  327. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="371827"][quote comment="371823"]
    Locke dindn’t know what Alex told Ben. Someone had once suggested more than one smoke monster. Someone had also suggested that Flock only pretended to Ben that he was the one to kill Bram and crew. Perhaps if MIB had been able to appear as other people he could copy the monster too. Or perhaps once a special person appears as a smoke monster they are then limited to one human form to copy. Explaining why MIB is stuck as Flocke.[/quote]

    You may be right, but I really saw that as FLocke pretending not to know. Even before we knew that Locke was FLocke, I thought it was might coincidental that Ben and Sun are in New Otherton WAITING for the smoke monster when Locke appeared; then under the temple, Locke leaves and Smokey appears moments later. Then Smokey retreats and Locke returns.

    : ) P[/quote]
    I beleive there is a connection, but why didn’t he appear as smokey at the barracks. Whey did they have to go to the temple first.

  328. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="371813"][quote comment="371789"][quote comment="371781"][quote comment="371715"][quote comment="371713"][quote comment="371494"][/quote]

    [/quote]
    [/quote]
    Not many LOL. My numbers theory is still a little promising as it appears that the O6 was close to what the main numbers represented and I still think that DHARMA was trying to change a person to change the equation. Old theories I am waiting for are the whisperers, and Des and Penny being Adam and Eve.[/quote]

    And you were right about the runway.[/quote]
    LOL…almost forgot about that.

  329. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="371833"]
    I beleive there is a connection, but why didn’t he appear as smokey at the barracks. Whey did they have to go to the temple first.[/quote]

    Dramatic effect? Because there needed to be a reason that we saw the outside of the temple? Dunno.

    : ) P

  330. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="371816"]In regards to the whispers…I went to that thread and tried to read thru a few of the posts and had something to add now that we are further into the show.
    IMO the whispers are MIB. Remember when Ben kidnapped Alex he told Danielle when you hear the whispers RUN! Whispers are evil and are related to MIB.
    Maybe the “dialogue” we hear is between him and any of the deceased on the island. Maybe he can communicate with them in somewhat the same way Miles can hear their last thoughts. He could be communicating for various reasons. Trying to scare others, trying to entice the deceased on “his side.”
    Is it possible that some of the “ghost appearances” of Horace and Ben’s mom could have been MIB?
    Ben was scared when he heard those whispers, but if MIB was appearing as his mom he could have been setting Ben up for a very long time. Along this theme is the fact that smokie would come to Ben’s defense as needed (kill Keamy’s team) b/c ultimately he knew he was going to use Ben to get to Jacob!
    As far as I can remember, Jacob communicates thru Richard or makes an appearance himself. He has revealed himself as we have seen on numerous occasions.
    MIB is never himself. He is smokey, or whispering or taking on the appearance of dead people.
    Just thought I would revive some of the talk on the whispers and hope it is ok to do it in this thread and not the whispers thread.[/quote]
    I can buy that some of the whispers COULD be MIB.

  331. Edilson says:

    I think LOST should have lasted for only two or three seasons. Now it seems that the direction of the serie is LOST and have no idea of where to go to give to it all a sense.
    Time travelling created a parallel life for each one of the caracthers (how things should have been if they had not fallen in the island). And now? It seemed that Jacob was representing the good side (God?) and the other man (Locke now) the evil (devil?) but Jacob is dead now and the other cannot be defeated.
    When Locke’s body was taken by the thing?
    How is it all end?

  332. thejawsthatbite says:

    Checkout my lost firefox persona…
    http://www.getpersonas.com/en-US/persona/102254

  333. intolost says:

    Will Sayid takeover Lockemonster? Sayid was in the position of Judas in the LOST Last Supper picture. I’m sorry but why did Lockemonster kill the others? Why haven’t Sun and Jin reunited yet after what 4 new episodes now? What’s up with that? I still think the kid was Widmore. I think maybe Widmore is some sort of smoke monster, too. When are we going to see Des? Mrs. Hawking said it was his destiny to go back. Can’t help but feel sorry for Ben.

  334. Skate says:

    Ther was a point at which the others started looking at Locke as their new leader. I no longer recall the incident
    that brought about that change. “Help me”.

  335. sector7 says:

    LOST: A Timeless Game of Human Backgammon. Played between a chosen Protector of the island and a man who becomes trapped as a shape shifting pillar of black smoke. It’s likely to say that neither Jacob nor MIB are the first players, and the story is leading us to believe it’s not the last. It will be someone’s destiny to become the next Jacob and it will be someone’s destiny to become trapped.

    AltLocke is being pushed. He has similar characteristics to Jack, no faith, doesn’t believe in miracles. Where are Jacob and MIB in the altverse? AltBen knows he was on an island as a little boy and that island is now at the bottom of the ocean. Somehow Ilana knows Sun and Jin but they do not know her. Sayid is shown in the same manner as Judas. Does altHugo talk to dead people? Someone in the altverse will be “special” just as Walt is.

  336. 2Lost says:

    I am going to take a crack at the ending of Lost Our Losties some how use the islands core energy to destroy the smoke monstrer/MIB which in turns sinks the island and flashes our Losties sideway to their new reality. thats way to easy Huh.

  337. Tarzan says:

    LOST for Dummies – by Tarzan

    Tarzan have very bad time this day, and day before this day.

    Day before this day, Tarzan wake in jungle with hurt head.

    Mouth dry and blood from nose on cheeks, Tarzan wake from big wet tongue licking face.

    At first, Tarzan think it is crazy blonde hermit girl (again), but it not.

    Tongue belong to gentle blond dog with nametag say Vincent.

    Tarzan think he keep dog as companion, since science barracks not allow pets.

    But dog name Vincent run-off after new friend, blonde hair boy.

    Tarzan not see blond hair boy before – many other new faces on island too.

    Tarzan then see exploding fire sparkles in sky, so Tarzan head for safety in secret sea cliff cave.

    Tarzan walk all night to cliff cave, then find someone break Tarzan ladder.

    Tarzan climb down rope, only find someone write grafitti Tarzan cave.

    Tarzan favorite white rock missing too.

    Someone sleep Tarzan bed… and someone eat all of Tarzan island porridge!

    Tarzan so mad that Tarzan decide visit Master at Temple – insist enforce island laws.

    Tarzan clean-up for visit, then look for spare loin-cloth.

    Someone play island joke on Tarzan… replace loin-cloth with jumpsuit from science barracks.

    Nametag not even say – “Tarzan” – like good island joke.

    Nametag say – “Wallace Fry-o-lator” –

    Tarzan need island peoples get act together soon, or Tarzan break all heck loose.

  338. dreyer says:

    Why does everyone seem so intent on believing that there necessarily is a good and a evil side to this story?

  339. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="371856"]Why does everyone seem so intent on believing that there necessarily is a good and a evil side to this story?[/quote]
    What story doesn’t? It’s the age old battle…let alone the tons and tons of innuendo. I don’t think it’s a question of whether it’s a battle of good v. bad…it’s a question of your prospective of which is which.

  340. Jason says:

    [quote comment="371857"][quote comment="371856"]Why does everyone seem so intent on believing that there necessarily is a good and a evil side to this story?[/quote]
    What story doesn’t? It’s the age old battle…let alone the tons and tons of innuendo. I don’t think it’s a question of whether it’s a battle of good v. bad…it’s a question of your prospective of which is which.[/quote]
    _________________________________
    Sayid killed two people in cold blood and Claire axed a dude…isn’t it obvious which side is which? I mean come on…..Hurly and Jack are definitely not members of the dark side!

  341. wingman says:

    I wasn’t disappointed with this episode but I was a bit dismayed…I mean I felt like we’re going thru circles with Sayid’s character…After this episode my impression of him hasn’t really changed…Last season in the ep where he killed Ben Linus as a kid I thought they made it vividly clear that while Sayid is a man with very honorable qualities, when push comes to shove, when given only 1 choice, he will become a killer…He is a killer…

    I don’t feel like I learned that much more about Sayid here…And at the end of the episode I felt like it was a perfect chance for him to admit this to Ben…That Ben was right about him, but he just gives this tortured smile…Leading into a Ben-centric episode I feel like that would have been nice…Or to imply that he killed him as a child would have been incredible, but it all got caught up in the black smoke I guess…

    Secondly , to that end, I’m also beginning to get frustrated with a lack of answers (Eventhough I’ve accepted that we won’t get many other than the big ones) It’s always fun to see the smoke monster go on a killing spree, but for the first time in a while I didn’t really care…I didn’t know whether I was supposed to feel bad about the temple people or cheer on the The Smokness Lockster…I really felt like they did a bad job (dramatically) of leading up to the invasion…In the end I felt more dismay than I felt awe or adulation…I wanted to be emotionally invested in what was happening and time just doesn’t seem to allow for the subtle things that makes storytelling so good anymore…So while on paper it appears this was the biggest ep of the season, in reality it didn’t say much I already didn’t know especially about Sayid…It’s like the Smoke fight in the end was supposed to make up for everything I didn’t like (Dogan and Lennon going out like chumps notwithstanding)…Sayid always does what he has to in the end…So I didn’t really feel like his FS were that revealing…

    After watching this ep, was Dogen the leader of the others? With Ben off island and banished and Locke obviously gone for 3 years (Dead, although Richard didn’t know)…Who was the leader of the others? Initially I thought Dogen was under Ben, but his knowledge of things far surpassed Ben…I also found it odd that no scenes were devoted to Ben’s knowledge of the temple and what they were to expect there given he seemed to have $hitloads of knowledge on the place in season 3…Oh well…

  342. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="371858"][quote comment="371857"][quote comment="371856"]Why does everyone seem so intent on believing that there necessarily is a good and a evil side to this story?[/quote]
    What story doesn’t? It’s the age old battle…let alone the tons and tons of innuendo. I don’t think it’s a question of whether it’s a battle of good v. bad…it’s a question of your prospective of which is which.[/quote]
    _________________________________
    Sayid killed two people in cold blood and Claire axed a dude…isn’t it obvious which side is which? I mean come on…..Hurly and Jack are definitely not members of the dark side![/quote]
    It is clear to me and you…but do you think that terrorists believe they are working for good or evil.

  343. DocH says:

    I like that we are getting soooo!! many answers. Just because they aren’t laying them out to us like second-graders, doesn’t mean they haven’t seriously started addressing all of the big questions. I mean, a year going they were still throwing huge new twists and turns at us at this part of the season. So, are we second-graders OR graduate students? I will be happy if the lightbulb above my head goes on just as we get the final “Bad Robot” logo, seconds after the finale ends.

  344. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="371861"]I like that we are getting soooo!! many answers. Just because they aren’t laying them out to us like second-graders, doesn’t mean they haven’t seriously started addressing all of the big questions. I mean, a year going they were still throwing huge new twists and turns at us at this part of the season. So, are we second-graders OR graduate students? I will be happy if the lightbulb above my head goes on just as we get the final “Bad Robot” logo, seconds after the finale ends.[/quote]
    Ahhhh, a voice of reason.

  345. Miss lost says:

    [quote comment="371857"][quote comment="371856"]Why does everyone seem so intent on believing that there necessarily is a good and a evil side to this story?[/quote]
    What story doesn’t? It’s the age old battle…let alone the tons and tons of innuendo. I don’t think it’s a question of whether it’s a battle of good v. bad…it’s a question of your prospective of which is which.[/quote]
    **************
    I would agree. So many of our characters also have that internal battle within themselves as well.

  346. wingman says:

    [quote comment="371861"]I like that we are getting soooo!! many answers. Just because they aren’t laying them out to us like second-graders, doesn’t mean they haven’t seriously started addressing all of the big questions. I mean, a year going they were still throwing huge new twists and turns at us at this part of the season. So, are we second-graders OR graduate students? I will be happy if the lightbulb above my head goes on just as we get the final “Bad Robot” logo, seconds after the finale ends.[/quote]

    Dude there are quantum physicists’ living in isolated huts on the rings of Saturn that wouldn’t understand half the $hit in LOST…I’ve come to the reality that this show isn’t the show that existed in my head all these years and am happy to let it play out and be wowed at the end, but an answer to you is just another question to someone who has a different theory or view…Sometimes (especially for dramatic effect IMO) you need answers that let you understand how you should invest emotionally and I felt like Smokness Lockster just killing everyone in the temple came off flat because the audience didn’t universally know why…

  347. wingman says:

    Let me throw out one theory for the hell of it…I think that in season 3 when Juliet saw her sister’s son at the playground (Shown to her by Ben and Mikhail), that was also a flash-sideways world, a world where she had her baby and never had cancer…That would tie into my overall time loop theory that the island exists in a plane of reality that can be repeated time and time again (And Jacob using his Lighthouse or jungle magic powers can always go back and touch or not touch people if he doesn’t like the result)…In the reality where Juliet’s sister is OK our FS losties are living their lives aswell (or something like that)…

  348. DocH says:

    [quote comment="371865"]
    …this show isn’t the show that existed in my head all these years…

    …sometimes you need answers that let you understand how you should invest emotionally…
    [/quote]

    I don’t disagree, necessarily, but (maybe) over-theorizing has led to unreasonable expectations – and excessive emotional investment. One thing I do know… graduate students and second-graders alike, both enjoy a really good roller-coaster ride.

    Perhaps divesting some of the intellectual and emotional commitment in the show is in order – just sit back and enjoy the ride for the next two and a half months. Maybe your investment pays off this June when you get to sit back and think to yourself – Wow! That was a great ride!

  349. Kathy P says:

    I had stated in an earlier post that I thought it strange that Claie was able to get jin to her hut after she got him free from the trap. I thin Unlocke helped her and I do not think that Justin was really alive. I think Smokey took over his body so Clair and Unlocke could recruit him. And that is exaclty what they did.Clair knew that Unlocke was going to help her get her baby back she did not need to drill/question Justin it was an act.

  350. DocH says:

    [quote comment="371868"]
    …so Clair and Unlocke could recruit him. And that is exaclty what they did. Clair knew that Unlocke was going to help her get her baby back she did not need to drill/question Justin it was an act.
    [/quote]
    That seems like decent reasoning. The Kwon candidate is Jin, not Sun. Claire shoots Justin dead. Smokey carries unconscious Jin to Claire’s hut. Then Smokey appears later as a captive (unJustin) of Claire, marched to the hut to fool/recruit Jin. The axe in the chest was just a Smokey/Claire ploy to get Jin on their team.

    One question. Was Smokey in two places in the hut at the same time? Pretending to be dead Justin laying on the ground AND unLocke walking in the door as Claire’s friend.

    (can’t wait to see Claire go all Lizzie Borden on unLocke when she finds out that he can’t get Aaron back to her.)

  351. Kathy P says:

    I wondered the same thing. If so it means that Smokey can be 2 or more at the same time. I don’t think we have seen that yet. But, I guessing that smokey did leave Justin’s body and appear as Clair’s friend. I re-watched it again and did not see anything that would prove it.

  352. Shadow says:

    [quote comment="371859"]I wasn’t disappointed with this episode but I was a bit dismayed…I mean I felt like we’re going thru circles with Sayid’s character…After this episode my impression of him hasn’t really changed…Last season in the ep where he killed Ben Linus as a kid I thought they made it vividly clear that while Sayid is a man with very honorable qualities, when push comes to shove, when given only 1 choice, he will become a killer…He is a killer…

    I don’t feel like I learned that much more about Sayid here…And at the end of the episode I felt like it was a perfect chance for him to admit this to Ben…That Ben was right about him, but he just gives this tortured smile…Leading into a Ben-centric episode I feel like that would have been nice…Or to imply that he killed him as a child would have been incredible, but it all got caught up in the black smoke I guess…

    Secondly , to that end, I’m also beginning to get frustrated with a lack of answers (Eventhough I’ve accepted that we won’t get many other than the big ones) It’s always fun to see the smoke monster go on a killing spree, but for the first time in a while I didn’t really care…I didn’t know whether I was supposed to feel bad about the temple people or cheer on the The Smokness Lockster…I really felt like they did a bad job (dramatically) of leading up to the invasion…In the end I felt more dismay than I felt awe or adulation…I wanted to be emotionally invested in what was happening and time just doesn’t seem to allow for the subtle things that makes storytelling so good anymore…So while on paper it appears this was the biggest ep of the season, in reality it didn’t say much I already didn’t know especially about Sayid…It’s like the Smoke fight in the end was supposed to make up for everything I didn’t like (Dogan and Lennon going out like chumps notwithstanding)…Sayid always does what he has to in the end…So I didn’t really feel like his FS were that revealing…

    After watching this ep, was Dogen the leader of the others? With Ben off island and banished and Locke obviously gone for 3 years (Dead, although Richard didn’t know)…Who was the leader of the others? Initially I thought Dogen was under Ben, but his knowledge of things far surpassed Ben…I also found it odd that no scenes were devoted to Ben’s knowledge of the temple and what they were to expect there given he seemed to have $hitloads of knowledge on the place in season 3…Oh well…[/quote]

    *********************************
    I tend to agree with you. In previous seasons when the smoke monster has been chasing people, I want the people to get out of the way and be safe. I could have cared less about all the people he killed at the temple. I am with you as far as answers go. We’ve spent all this time invested in the show, coming up with all kinds of theories about every little thing… now we have to settle for the fact that not all of our questions will be answered? I would feel a little better about this seanson’s episodes if we were getting more questions answered as we went along. I think like you say, it will help with me be a little more emotionally invested in what is going on. Right now, I have no theories, no expectations, just watching to see how things unfold and ultimately end.
    I love LOST, I still think its the best show I’ve ever watched, its the only show I watch actually. I guess I’m a little frustrated this season like you.

  353. wingman says:

    @Shadow -I LOVE the show too, eventhough it’s not the show in my head anymore I still love it…I get goosebumps before I watch every episode when I see that “LOST” drift across the screen…But just like siblings, I can love you but I can’t excuse all your flaws…

    Little things like them not asking Cindy in detail why you just happen to be an other makes me wanna break plastic hangers, but then we get brilliant scenes with Terry O’Quinn and Naveen Andrews and I’m sucked all back in again…

    I’m just trying to enjoy LOST for what it’s worth right now, but with that said every now and then my frustration boils over (Since I am a human and not a smoke zombie) and I just want a little more literary prowess on some of these things…Smoke monster attacking the temple should have been like a top 10 moment in LOST history..I’m not sure it breaks the top 50 because as cool as it looked I didn’t care…The moment (dramatically) wasn’t ante’d up…

    Show me the smoke monster picking off Zack and Emma with no mercy and I could extract emotion from that, but just to show him killing faceless joes did nothing for me…

    Then we see Illana et al march thru the temple JUST to find a trap-door to LEAVE the temple???? Ben the former leader of the others has no importance in this other than to give Sayid a wicked awesome scared look? (Which I loved)I don’t know why they can’t just get things together, but I still love the darn show and it’s superior to 90% of the network dramas out there…I mean I’d stab myself with Dogen’s dagger if I had to watch $hit like NCIS or CSI Whatever…I just wanted this ep to be a little better in epicness…

  354. Bobola says:

    [quote comment="371705"][quote comment="371666"][quote comment="371583"]\
    *****************************************************

    If its that bad, why don’t you stop watching? I’m just sayin….[/quote]

    =========

    Why ask why?
    Just sayin.

  355. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="371873"][quote comment="371859"][/quote]

    We’ve spent all this time invested in the show, coming up with all kinds of theories about every little thing… now we have to settle for the fact that not all of our questions will be answered? [/quote]
    YES!!!!!

    Great book, songs, movies, stories are written with the intent for YOU to interpret them. I can guarantee that you will not be given ‘answers’ to all your detailed questions AND some of the major ones…because stories are told that way…period.

  356. Shadow says:

    [quote comment="371877"][quote comment="371705"][quote comment="371666"][quote comment="371583"]\
    *****************************************************

    If its that bad, why don’t you stop watching? I’m just sayin….[/quote]

    =========

    Why ask why?
    Just sayin.[/quote]

    touche :)

  357. Shadow says:

    [quote comment="371878"][quote comment="371873"][quote comment="371859"][/quote]

    We’ve spent all this time invested in the show, coming up with all kinds of theories about every little thing… now we have to settle for the fact that not all of our questions will be answered? [/quote]
    YES!!!!!

    Great book, songs, movies, stories are written with the intent for YOU to interpret them. I can guarantee that you will not be given ‘answers’ to all your detailed questions AND some of the major ones…because stories are told that way…period.[/quote]

    Hammer, I used to love reading all of your theories in particular. We have all spent so much time speculating and asking questions, and discussing, and avoiding spoilers. For me, after all of the time and energy I’ve invested into the show, I do want some of my questions answered. Everyone’s different. You may be ok with not ever getting answers, or having it left up to interpretation, but for others, we want that “aha” moment every now and then on the show.
    I LOVE LOST. Don’t watch anything else, and probably won’t watch anything else after this show ends. Its been a great ride, and I’m holding out for one awesome finale!

  358. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="371880"][quote comment="371878"][quote comment="371873"][quote comment="371859"][/quote]

    We’ve spent all this time invested in the show, coming up with all kinds of theories about every little thing… now we have to settle for the fact that not all of our questions will be answered? [/quote]
    YES!!!!!

    Great book, songs, movies, stories are written with the intent for YOU to interpret them. I can guarantee that you will not be given ‘answers’ to all your detailed questions AND some of the major ones…because stories are told that way…period.[/quote]

    Hammer, I used to love reading all of your theories in particular. We have all spent so much time speculating and asking questions, and discussing, and avoiding spoilers. For me, after all of the time and energy I’ve invested into the show, I do want some of my questions answered. Everyone’s different. You may be ok with not ever getting answers, or having it left up to interpretation, but for others, we want that “aha” moment every now and then on the show.
    I LOVE LOST. Don’t watch anything else, and probably won’t watch anything else after this show ends. Its been a great ride, and I’m holding out for one awesome finale![/quote]
    Shadow,I hear you. My theories were MY interpretations of what they told us. Some proven wrong with more info, some right with more info, and some left for me to believe they are right because no more info is coming.

    There have been plenty of answers given and plenty of ‘ahas’ too. I just agree with DocH that you can’t be expecting to be spoon fed answers to EVERY question you have. They just aren’t coming because you should have able to deduce on your own what direction they were pointing you in.

    Yes there is tons of fun in discussing theories with you guys here. I personally have not been truly disappointed in ANY part of the story or story telling. Ten more hours of the story is all that’s left, some of the major ‘mysteries’ have already been told a few more biggies coming soon…then that’s it…sit back and digest it….and please come back here and discuss what you think the story meant.

  359. Guttahman says:

    “Darlton” said many months ago that alot of people were going to be mad about the final season of LOST, just from reading some of the previous comments I can see its already starting to happen. I understand everyones frustrations with the show, I think that some of us are being a little to analytical with how the producers choose to give us answers. Everyone has their own theories and ideas and no matter how many questions get answered some of us are just going to be left unsatisfied. Personally, I love the direction this season is going, I think they give us just enough to come back to blog sites like this and theorize about whats going on.

    Sure, not all my questions are getting answered and I accept that because so many more important issues are being addressed. Im sure the writers could come up with an ep. that describes in detail why Shannon wasnt on the plane, or why Cindy is an other, but why waste our time with filler? Cindy has had about 10 lines in the whole show, Ive got nothing invested in her emotionally and honestly I could care less if she dies, same thing with Lapidas, im sure hes a nice guy and all, but I really dont need to see an episode wasted on his backstory and why hes been given 3 chances to get to the island.

    In a perfect world all these questions would be answered, I would also know the meaning of life and what happens after death, but this place isnt perfect so we make due with what we get. I get the feeling that even if the producers, writers, actors and even camera guys all sat down at a round table discussion and went through, in detail, every little aspect of the show and answered every imaginable question…people would still complain. Lets just appreciate the few hours of LOST we have left.

  360. Hammer says:

    Shadow, thanks for the kudos about my theories.

  361. wingman says:

    “Darlton” said many months ago that alot of people were going to be mad about the final season of LOST…”

    To me that’s a preemptive strike…I was disappointed when I heard him say that…I mean you put so much work into this show only to concede that you think only half of your rabid fanbase will even like the ending…I’d rather nothing had been said at all, but it’s telling that he would say this…

    @Guttaham – It’s not that I sit there pining about why Cindy is an other or (insert random small LOST mystery), it’s that they arte TALKING TO CINDY in a scene where SHE IS TALKING BACK, so I’d guess that it wouldn’t be all that trouble to explain in 2 or 3 lines of dialogue why she just accepted being an other, but that’s besides the point (ha!)…Don’t get me wrong as I’ve said I still LOVE LOST…I haven’t been “infected” like many of my friends who used to love the show, but even in a relaxed state, just trying to enjoy the end for what it’s worth, even I get natural frustration…frustration that has no agenda…just is what it is…

  362. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="371884"] it’s that they arte TALKING TO CINDY in a scene where SHE IS TALKING BACK, so I’d guess that it wouldn’t be all that trouble to explain in 2 or 3 lines of dialogue why she just accepted being an other, but that’s besides the point (ha!)…[/quote]
    Just a thought…Jack did ask the pointed question once before, when he was in the cage and Juliette was going to be judged and Cindy and the kids walked by…Her answer was…”it’s not that simple”. So my take is that they can’t answer yet, because she is likely ‘willing’ for the same reason as most of the Others…which can’t be answered yet because it’s important to the ending (much like the whispers LOL).

  363. Guttahman says:

    [quote comment="371884"]“Darlton” said many months ago that alot of people were going to be mad about the final season of LOST…”

    To me that’s a preemptive strike…I was disappointed when I heard him say that…I mean you put so much work into this show only to concede that you think only half of your rabid fanbase will even like the ending…I’d rather nothing had been said at all, but it’s telling that he would say this…

    @Guttaham – It’s not that I sit there pining about why Cindy is an other or (insert random small LOST mystery), it’s that they arte TALKING TO CINDY in a scene where SHE IS TALKING BACK, so I’d guess that it wouldn’t be all that trouble to explain in 2 or 3 lines of dialogue why she just accepted being an other, but that’s besides the point (ha!)…Don’t get me wrong as I’ve said I still LOVE LOST…I haven’t been “infected” like many of my friends who used to love the show, but even in a relaxed state, just trying to enjoy the end for what it’s worth, even I get natural frustration…frustration that has no agenda…just is what it is…[/quote]

    Wingman…my comment was in no way directed at you, it was directed at the people who have lost their faith in LOST…Ive read so many comments on other blog sites, spoke with friends and co workers and some of them have just given up on this show and while I can understand why, at the same time I cant understand why…just like FLocke said to Sawyer, “why give up now when you are so close to the end?”

  364. Lind says:

    @ the answers/questions debate:

    I understand that great works of literature are meant to leave room for mystery and have different meaning for different people…

    The frustration though, is that Lost has been a story that has unveiled mysteries, and then solved them, all along the way. Therefore, we all got used to the notion that our questions would eventually be answered.

    When the creators announced that all questions will not be answered, they essentially said it was a matter of running out of time to put in the answers. This isn’t them wanting to leave mysteries open to interpretation – it’s them not having time to do so.

    Therefore, we all know that, when the writers were scripting Lost, they had, and HAVE answers to the mysteries, but they just ran out of time to tell us the answers. That’s what’s frustrating – that the answers exist, we’re just not getting them.

  365. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="371887"]@ the answers/questions debate:

    I understand that great works of literature are meant to leave room for mystery and have different meaning for different people…

    The frustration though, is that Lost has been a story that has unveiled mysteries, and then solved them, all along the way. Therefore, we all got used to the notion that our questions would eventually be answered.

    When the creators announced that all questions will not be answered, they essentially said it was a matter of running out of time to put in the answers. This isn’t them wanting to leave mysteries open to interpretation – it’s them not having time to do so.

    Therefore, we all know that, when the writers were scripting Lost, they had, and HAVE answers to the mysteries, but they just ran out of time to tell us the answers. That’s what’s frustrating – that the answers exist, we’re just not getting them.[/quote]
    Disagree, they aren’t running out of time…they WANTED the end date and had to negotiate it. From the beginning it was thought that they only wanted to do about 5 seasons.

  366. m says:

    I think its interesting how there is a lot of convincing people to kill other people…

    Remember when Ben convinced Locke that he must kill his dad, but instead Locke convinced Ford into killing him. (I wonder if we’ll ever find out how his dad got to the island in the first place, or why Locke had to kill him).

  367. wallyp says:

    If you guys have been paying attention to the overall flow of this show for six seasons, all questions are answered by a long slow distribution of clues, that eventually culminate into one single “BAM” I think the only answers that wont be gotten are to questions that we have collectively made up on our own or thru this blog, that the writers have never even considered. Other than that, I feel most of them will be executed hard and fast in the two hour series finale. Whatever questions are left over at the end, we should send to the writers, and demand that they make some sort of LOST cartoon follow up series.

  368. Miraks says:

    [quote comment="371890"]If you guys have been paying attention to the overall flow of this show for six seasons, all questions are answered by a long slow distribution of clues, that eventually culminate into one single “BAM”

    I think the only answers that wont be gotten are to questions that we have collectively made up on our own or thru this blog, that the writers have never even considered. Other than that, I feel most of them will be executed hard and fast in the two hour series finale. Whatever questions are left over at the end, we should send to the writers, and demand that they make some sort of LOST cartoon follow up series.[/quote]

    I agree with this. I think those of us who have been spending hours analyzing and re-analyzing this show have been coming up with theories and questions that go beyond what is actually there. I’ve invested several years into this show and this blog (as Miraks and I think MKS the first few seasons) and am still enjoying the ride.

  369. Anne says:

    [quote comment="371713"][quote comment="371494"]Oh boy!! “Questions will be answered!” I cannot wait!

    I just worry.. “Sundown” – let’s hope this doesn’t mean our lovely Korean friend is in trouble![/quote]

    What are the questions that are still out there that you must have answers for by the end of all of his, otherwise you will be majorly disappointed?[/quote]

    Long time reader, first post. I would like to know Richard’s back story and why he doesn’t appear to age. I’d also like to know the overall purpose or reason for the island.

  370. wingman says:

    [quote comment="371888"][quote comment="371887"]@ the answers/questions debate:

    I understand that great works of literature are meant to leave room for mystery and have different meaning for different people…

    The frustration though, is that Lost has been a story that has unveiled mysteries, and then solved them, all along the way. Therefore, we all got used to the notion that our questions would eventually be answered.

    When the creators announced that all questions will not be answered, they essentially said it was a matter of running out of time to put in the answers. This isn’t them wanting to leave mysteries open to interpretation – it’s them not having time to do so.

    Therefore, we all know that, when the writers were scripting Lost, they had, and HAVE answers to the mysteries, but they just ran out of time to tell us the answers. That’s what’s frustrating – that the answers exist, we’re just not getting them.[/quote]
    Disagree, they aren’t running out of time…they WANTED the end date and had to negotiate it. From the beginning it was thought that they only wanted to do about 5 seasons.[/quote]
    ——————————-

    Hammer I’m sure they negotiated that end date with the best intentions…But as I see it it turned out to be one of the biggest mistakes…By shortening the seasons they took away the ability to give the story arcs the proper exposition…Now that they are up against the clock you can feel it…IMO it would have been smarter to ask for 3 seasons based on the normal 22 episode format (An argument I made last season during the Dharma arc)…

    I mean look at Sun for instance…She hasn’t had a meaningful episode since season 4! (And she got nominated for an Emmy)…When Ben got nominated he went from side-character to main character instantly with lots more scenes and episodes…Why not more Sun-centric eps? Not enuff time…Lapidus and Miles have almost nothing in-terms of exposition, why? No time for it…Dogen and his son being in Jack’s FS was basically equivalent to an entire Dogun centric ep (based on what we find out later from him), but with only 10 eps left you can’t give Dogen an ep right? (Not that many would want one)…I’m just pointing out a few of the countless things that could have been expounded upon in a normal 22 ep season…I think it’s more than fair to argue that some of the choices being made are directly related with a countdown similar to the one in the Swan station….I think (in a very innocent way mind you) that D&C had no clue how vast their show could be once they got to the good parts (Like Dharmaville season)…They were just worrying about stalling, but in hindsight (as we all see now) you could have easily had a 22 ep season on Dharma arc and this final season…

    Who knows, maybe ABC had them between a rock and hard place behind close doors (It’s all about money ya know), but I think academically it’s easy to argue that the time, end-date -factor has effected the show to some negatively…

    But again I do still LOVE the show, but I enjoy being about to talk about it without a pollyanna approach…

  371. LostLove says:

    [quote comment="371868"]I had stated in an earlier post that I thought it strange that Claie was able to get jin to her hut after she got him free from the trap. I thin Unlocke helped her and I do not think that Justin was really alive. I think Smokey took over his body so Clair and Unlocke could recruit him. And that is exaclty what they did.Clair knew that Unlocke was going to help her get her baby back she did not need to drill/question Justin it was an act.[/quote]

    Kathy?! Why would you think UnLocke helped Claire? and Justin (was tha the name of the black guy?) was possessed by MIB? Then go one in later comments that you are just watching and enjoying the show and taking what they are giving you? It seems like you are reading into things waaaaaaayyyyy tooooooo much. I think in this example you gave we should just believe what the show gave us; that Claire got Jin to the hut, she went back to get Justin(?) to interrogate him about Aaron and tha twhen UnLocke arrived at the hut, tha twas the 1st time he had been there in all of this.

    Now, I’m not being critical of just Kathy cause there are plenty of people posting here that need to relax, just watch the show, don’t inject on things that “must have happened” that you didn’t actually see happen. When you do this, you hold the writers responsible for getting you out of this mess (and thus need answers for) when they didn’t do anything that first created the confused mess.

  372. LostLove says:

    [quote comment="371892"][quote comment="371713"][quote comment="371494"]Oh boy!! “Questions will be answered!” I cannot wait!

    I just worry.. “Sundown” – let’s hope this doesn’t mean our lovely Korean friend is in trouble![/quote]

    What are the questions that are still out there that you must have answers for by the end of all of his, otherwise you will be majorly disappointed?[/quote]

    Long time reader, first post. I would like to know Richard’s back story and why he doesn’t appear to age. I’d also like to know the overall purpose or reason for the island.[/quote]

    Those questions are great questions and WILL HAVE TO be answered by the end of the series, otherwise, why have the series?

    I guess I wanted to know what the questions were that people feared were not going to be answered that would wreck their overall enjoyment or view of the show in its finality? I believe your questions are a no-brainer that HAVE to be answered.

  373. Hammer says:

    I see your point wingman, and you might be correct, but I still disagree. D&C had no clue how vast the show could be?…not buying that. I think they just wanted to end the fluffy love triangle bit and ‘extra’ stories they had to throw in the there to keep ABC happy because it was a hit and get back to the crux of the plot…and here we are.

  374. Hammer says:

    Soooo having had that fun debate (LOL), I can’t wait to see what answers we get tonight!

  375. wingman says:

    Well I must be “infected” since I wrote a very reasonable post against Hammer’s thoughts on the end-date and it was completely deleted. Jacob doesn’t want us to see the truth I guess…There’s no time for me either I suppose…Guess I’ll let the darkness in heart grow now -____-‘

  376. wingman says:

    ^Sorry MIB told me to say that!!!!

  377. Amber says:

    I just need to know what the heck was up with Walt. Also what about the pregnancy thing? Also the Richard thing. I need the answers to these questions lol

  378. Hammer says:

    Too funny wingman.

  379. Anne says:

    [quote comment="371895"][quote comment="371892"][quote comment="371713"][quote comment="371494"]Oh boy!! “Questions will be answered!” I cannot wait!

    I just worry.. “Sundown” – let’s hope this doesn’t mean our lovely Korean friend is in trouble![/quote]

    What are the questions that are still out there that you must have answers for by the end of all of his, otherwise you will be majorly disappointed?[/quote]

    Long time reader, first post. I would like to know Richard’s back story and why he doesn’t appear to age. I’d also like to know the overall purpose or reason for the island.[/quote]

    Those questions are great questions and WILL HAVE TO be answered by the end of the series, otherwise, why have the series?

    I guess I wanted to know what the questions were that people feared were not going to be answered that would wreck their overall enjoyment or view of the show in its finality? I believe your questions are a no-brainer that HAVE to be answered.[/quote]

    I guess that it is fair, but with Lost you never know what questions may or may not be answered. I thought for sure we would have learned more about Richard before now. I don’t think it’s necessarily a no-brainer that the 2 questions I posed will be answered in entirety.

  380. Anne says:

    I was wondering what people thought about Claire visiting Kate last season in her home while Kate was sleeping and insisting that Kate not bring Aaron back to the island. Do you think that vision of Claire could have been MIB? Have we seen evidence of MIB visiting people off the island?

  381. DocH says:

    [quote comment="371913"]Do you think that vision of Claire could have been MIB? Have we seen evidence of MIB visiting people off the island?[/quote]
    Most certainly. In fact – if Jacob is restricted to island places like the T4TS, cabin, Temple, etc… maybe Jacob was NEVER off the island – ever. Maybe, it was MIB the entire time — touching Losties at a time in their lives that he knew would bring them to him, on the island, as candidates to replace him.

  382. Miraks says:

    [quote comment="371913"]I was wondering what people thought about Claire visiting Kate last season in her home while Kate was sleeping and insisting that Kate not bring Aaron back to the island. Do you think that vision of Claire could have been MIB? Have we seen evidence of MIB visiting people off the island?[/quote]

    I think I said this before, but I am not sure that Claire was talking about Aaron. She said:”Don’t bring HIM back. Don’t you dare bring HIM back.”
    Maybe the HIM was refering to Locke? In that case it could have been Jacob/ Jacob inspired.

  383. MandrickTibbs says:

    Damon Lindelof: “I think we resign ourselves to the fact that the worst thing that we could do would be to try to play it safe and make everybody happy, as opposed to doing the ending that we think is best for the show. We’re trying to do something that is really satisfying for us… because so far, usually when it’s satisfying for us, it’s been satisfying for the audience. We’ll see… the eternally confused might finally find a light at the end of the tunnel.”

  384. Anne says:

    [quote comment="371917"][quote comment="371913"]I was wondering what people thought about Claire visiting Kate last season in her home while Kate was sleeping and insisting that Kate not bring Aaron back to the island. Do you think that vision of Claire could have been MIB? Have we seen evidence of MIB visiting people off the island?[/quote]

    I think I said this before, but I am not sure that Claire was talking about Aaron. She said:”Don’t bring HIM back. Don’t you dare bring HIM back.”
    Maybe the HIM was refering to Locke? In that case it could have been Jacob/ Jacob inspired.[/quote]

    Claire may not have been talking about Aaron, but Kate certainly felt that she was. I was thinking that if Claire was actually MIB, he was manipulating Kate by making sure Aaron would not make it back to the island. This would insure MIB’s continued control over Claire. I also believe that Kate heard “whispers” prior to seeing Claire, which could point to more evidence that MIB and whispers are connected or one in the same.

  385. Miss lost says:

    [quote comment="371923"][quote comment="371917"][quote comment="371913"]I was wondering what people thought about Claire visiting Kate last season in her home while Kate was sleeping and insisting that Kate not bring Aaron back to the island. Do you think that vision of Claire could have been MIB? Have we seen evidence of MIB visiting people off the island?[/quote]

    I think I said this before, but I am not sure that Claire was talking about Aaron. She said:”Don’t bring HIM back. Don’t you dare bring HIM back.”
    Maybe the HIM was refering to Locke? In that case it could have been Jacob/ Jacob inspired.[/quote]

    Claire may not have been talking about Aaron, but Kate certainly felt that she was. I was thinking that if Claire was actually MIB, he was manipulating Kate by making sure Aaron would not make it back to the island. This would insure MIB’s continued control over Claire. I also believe that Kate heard “whispers” prior to seeing Claire, which could point to more evidence that MIB and whispers are connected or one in the same.[/quote]
    ******************
    I have also commented about this and thought it interesting. Now that we have seen Claire I am more convinced that it was not her in the dream but MIB. If it had been claire then she would have known it was Kate who had Aaron. i do somehow think Aaron was suppose to go back. He was an O6er and Eloise said they were all suppose to go back…God help them if they didn’t.

  386. Miss lost says:

    Something else that I thought was interesting was when Dogan said to sayid, that he needed to go kill Flocke and it could prove that he still had good in his heart.
    If there still is good in Claires heart it is going to be Aaron. As long as she thinks that they kidnapped him the more she will do for MIB. If Aaron were to have come back I think it could have “healed” Claire. More reason for MIB to not want him back on island. It will be interesting to see what transpires between Claire and Kate over Aaron and if Kate can convince Claire to come back from the “dark side.”

  387. Marcos says:

    Ben’s life is much better, he is not evil anymore, he’s finally “one of the good guys”

  388. bunnylover says:

    Question: Why did the chicken cross the road?

    Answer: To get to the other Sayid.

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