Recon

Lost - Season 6 - Recon - Sawyer

In tonight’s episode, we’ll see what Sawyer has been up to since we last saw him.

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Locke tasks Sawyer with a mission

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221 Responses to Recon

  1. PJSander says:

    The second best thing to an Emerson/O’Quinn heavy episode is a Holloway one! (Just as long as you throw in some Garcia for comic relief!)

    59 minutes!

    : ) P

  2. Mr. $tuart says:

    What’s more important to you, resolving character storylines or answering questions? Is it possible to have both? The way things are going, I’m going to say no. Personally, I’d rather have resolved stories. I really don’t care about answers anymore.

  3. Justme78734 says:

    15 minutes!

  4. Justme78734 says:

    Well Locke sure has the bigger group.

  5. Hammer says:

    Lapidus is here and alive to fly the plane.

  6. sector7 says:

    What’s locked-up on the sub?

  7. Skate says:

    [quote comment="372285"]Lapidus is here and alive to fly the plane.[/quote]
    ———-_———-
    “here”? Hammer….are you on the island? :)

  8. LostDamery says:

    2 Cents:
    1. Could Locke and Widmore be working together to get Jacob?
    2. Will Sun and Jin every get back together?

    If I had been Kate I would have switched camps after the Claire incident…I would be candidate for the other side.

  9. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="372287"][quote comment="372285"]Lapidus is here and alive to fly the plane.[/quote]
    ———-_———-
    “here”? Hammer….are you on the island? :)[/quote]
    Sorry, it’s how I write when I’m all giddy.

  10. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="372286"]What’s locked-up on the sub?[/quote]

    hmmm…
    Aaron
    Desmond
    Penny
    Charlie
    Walt
    some mythological thing that can kill MIB
    Wallace
    the “boy” from the jungle
    Jacob in some other form
    Boone*
    Shannon*
    Eko*
    Ana Lucia*
    Libby*
    Charlie*
    Juliet*
    Charlotte*
    Daniel*
    Michael*
    Rose and Bernard
    Vincent

    * all of these people may have survived in the FSW and if the two timelines CAN merge, any one of them can show up again

    : ) P

  11. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="372290"][quote comment="372286"]What’s locked-up on the sub?[/quote]

    hmmm…
    Aaron
    Desmond
    Penny
    Charlie
    Walt
    some mythological thing that can kill MIB
    Wallace
    the “boy” from the jungle
    Jacob in some other form
    Boone*
    Shannon*
    Eko*
    Ana Lucia*
    Libby*
    Charlie*
    Juliet*
    Charlotte*
    Daniel*
    Michael*
    Rose and Bernard
    Vincent

    * all of these people may have survived in the FSW and if the two timelines CAN merge, any one of them can show up again

    : ) P[/quote]
    Cooper….

  12. Hammer says:

    The Little House line that stuck out huge to me…”even though people die, they aren’t gone”…..whispers….Charlie said something similar to Hugo.

  13. Duke says:

    Sawyer was 8 years old when his father killed his mother and himself in the original storyline. During this episode it said he was 9 years old? Error or something else?

  14. Jason says:

    [quote comment="372293"]Sawyer was 8 years old when his father killed his mother and himself in the original storyline. During this episode it said he was 9 years old? Error or something else?[/quote]
    _________________________________________
    So did Sayid know that Locke was gonna intervene and stop Claire from killing Kate? Would he have stepped in if he knew Locke wouldn’t? Has he truly been turned to the dark side?

  15. rowjimmy says:

    Books on Sawyers dresser Watership Down, A Wrinkle In Time and Lancelot

  16. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="372294"][quote comment="372293"]Sawyer was 8 years old when his father killed his mother and himself in the original storyline. During this episode it said he was 9 years old? Error or something else?[/quote]
    _________________________________________
    So did Sayid know that Locke was gonna intervene and stop Claire from killing Kate? Would he have stepped in if he knew Locke wouldn’t? Has he truly been turned to the dark side?[/quote]
    Yeah, I think I said it earlier…Sayid is a goner…killer in FF, FB, FSW…don’t matter.

  17. Nickb says:

    John Lockes father? We’ve never really known if it was Anthony Cooper, I think his mom in the 50′s was seeing either Jacob or MIB and was impregnated, my vote is for Jacob–

  18. wallyp says:

    [quote comment="372297"]John Lockes father? We’ve never really known if it was Anthony Cooper, I think his mom in the 50′s was seeing either Jacob or MIB and was impregnated, my vote is for Jacob–[/quote]

    Thats interesting… Ben too? Name him Ben! Name him John!… Name him Aaron…

  19. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="372298"][quote comment="372297"]NJohn Lockes father? We’ve never really known if it was Anthony Cooper, I think his mom in the 50′s was seeing either Jacob or MIB and was impregnated, my vote is for Jacob–[/quote]

    Thats interesting… Ben too? Name him Ben! Name him John!… Name him Aaron…[/quote]
    Nah, I think Cooper is Locke’s dad. I want to know which crazy lady is MIBs mom.

  20. wallyp says:

    This one def left me with nothing…(???) The one thing I’m hanging onto here is Claire and Kates big hug… Sawyer, Widmore, and Locke… all three have a different plan and neither one of them are telling any-body.

  21. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="372299"]
    Nah, I think Cooper is Locke’s dad. I want to know which crazy lady is MIBs mom.[/quote]

    Given that the MIB that “we” saw (which may not have been his “original” form) was in the 19th century, I am thinking we don’t know his crazy a$$ mother.

    : ) P

  22. wallyp says:

    Oh wait yeah, Widmore wants to kill both Jacob and the MIB. thats it.

  23. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="372301"][quote comment="372299"]
    Nah, I think Cooper is Locke’s dad. I want to know which crazy lady is MIBs mom.[/quote]

    Given that the MIB that “we” saw (which may not have been his “original” form) was in the 19th century, I am thinking we don’t know his crazy a$$ mother.

    : ) P[/quote]
    Not likely…I agree…but with TT and a donkey wheel… Did anyone have twins? I am wondering if Jacob and MIB had the same crazy mom. Remember the Bad Twin book the guy that got sucked into the engine in the Pilot wrote?

  24. Murphey says:

    FLocke tried to take Kate’s hand to help her up and she refused. He also tried to shake Sawyer’s to make the deal. Might be significant. We still don’t know much about the infection.

  25. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="372302"]Oh wait yeah, Widmore wants to kill both Jacob and the MIB. thats it.[/quote]
    Indeed! I think Widmore is corrupted and wants to exploit the island’s power.

  26. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="372304"]FLocke tried to take Kate’s hand to help her up and she refused. He also tried to shake Sawyer’s to make the deal. Might be significant. We still don’t know much about the infection.[/quote]
    MIB’s touch similar to Jacob’s?

  27. Murphey says:

    I missed about one minute after the commercial where FLocke is explaining to Kate about his crazy mom.

    Anything important beside him having a crazy mom that caused him problems?

  28. Mr. $tuart says:

    [quote comment="372293"]Sawyer was 8 years old when his father killed his mother and himself in the original storyline. During this episode it said he was 9 years old? Error or something else?[/quote]
    He was also asked the guy he called if he had proof that he was in Alabama in 76. I thought Sawyer’s folks lived in Tennessee. I might be wrong.

  29. Sassafras says:

    How long does it take a cheesy dress to decompose in a tropical forest anyway?

  30. jaime says:

    Why did MIB send Sawyer to Hydra? test? If Sawyer is a cop in FS why didnt he bust Kate in the elevator at the airport?

  31. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="372309"]How long does it take a cheesy dress to decompose in a tropical forest anyway?[/quote]

    A long time, if it is polyester.

    : ) P

  32. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="372308"][quote comment="372293"]Sawyer was 8 years old when his father killed his mother and himself in the original storyline. During this episode it said he was 9 years old? Error or something else?[/quote]
    He was also asked the guy he called if he had proof that he was in Alabama in 76. I thought Sawyer’s folks lived in Tennessee. I might be wrong.[/quote]
    I took it as the Ford had info that guy he called MAY have been in Alabama and the guy on the phone gave sufficient proof, therefore Ford’s disappointment.

  33. Sassafras says:

    [quote comment="372311"][quote comment="372309"]How long does it take a cheesy dress to decompose in a tropical forest anyway?[/quote]

    A long time, if it is polyester.

    : ) P[/quote]

    True that…

  34. Murphey says:

    I wonder why the island not being around in FSW causes Cooper to still have a relationship with Locke. He still conned Sawyer’s parents. I wonder if MIB pushed things so Locke would be parapalegic and then healed on the island in the original timeline to create the loophole.

  35. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="372303"]Not likely…I agree…but with TT and a donkey wheel… Did anyone have twins? I am wondering if Jacob and MIB had the same crazy mom. Remember the Bad Twin book the guy that got sucked into the engine in the Pilot wrote?[/quote]

    Bad Twin – that reminds me of the apparent “error” in that book. It was published in 2006, of course, but it was supposedly written by Gary Troup (“he guy that got sucked into the engine”). Seemingly, it was to have been written prior to his death (September 22, 2004), but the book contained information about something which didn’t HAPPEN until November 2004. Could this mean that the Gary Troup in the adjusted timeline wrote the book?!

    : ) P

  36. Murphey says:

    [quote comment="372310"]Why did MIB send Sawyer to Hydra? test?

    If Sawyer is a cop in FS why didnt he bust Kate in the elevator at the airport?[/quote]

    He thought about busting Kate in the elevator. He tried to ask airport security what was going on and they blew him off so he said something like well I can’t help if I don’t know what you’re looking for.

  37. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="372315"]Bad Twin – that reminds me of the apparent “error” in that book. It was published in 2006, of course, but it was supposedly written by Gary Troup (“he guy that got sucked into the engine”). Seemingly, it was to have been written prior to his death (September 22, 2004), but the book contained information about something which didn’t HAPPEN until November 2004. Could this mean that the Gary Troup in the adjusted timeline wrote the book?![/quote]

    Well, apparently not – correcting myself… There is a note from the “editor” that the book was written by “Gary Troup” who had been “missing since September, 2004 when the jetliner that was carrying him from Sydney to Los Angeles crashed somewhere over the South Pacific.”

    Oh well.

    : ) P

  38. rowjimmy says:

    [quote comment="372312"][quote comment="372308"][quote comment="372293"]Sawyer was 8 years old when his father killed his mother and himself in the original storyline. During this episode it said he was 9 years old? Error or something else?[/quote]
    He was also asked the guy he called if he had proof that he was in Alabama in 76. I thought Sawyer’s folks lived in Tennessee. I might be wrong.[/quote]
    I took it as the Ford had info that guy he called MAY have been in Alabama and the guy on the phone gave sufficient proof, therefore Ford’s disappointment.[/quote]
    Sawyer was born in Jasper,Al

  39. Hammer says:

    Bedtime for Bonzo:

    Is Claire’s ‘infection’ clearing up or was Flocke’s talk a threat?

    Sayid’s ‘infection’ is in full force.

  40. rowjimmy says:

    So does cop Sawyer still kill the wrong guy in Australia? He sure didn’t want Miles knowing about his trip

  41. LostLove says:

    [quote comment="372302"]Oh wait yeah, Widmore wants to kill both Jacob and the MIB. thats it.[/quote]

    Where do you come up with some of your stuff?

  42. LostLove says:

    [quote comment="372306"][quote comment="372304"]FLocke tried to take Kate’s hand to help her up and she refused. He also tried to shake Sawyer’s to make the deal. Might be significant. We still don’t know much about the infection.[/quote]
    MIB’s touch similar to Jacob’s?[/quote]

    No, otherwise, Claire, Ben, Richard etc have eternal life. Poor Richard, things are just not going his way. lol

  43. LostLove says:

    [quote comment="372310"]Why did MIB send Sawyer to Hydra? test?

    If Sawyer is a cop in FS why didnt he bust Kate in the elevator at the airport?[/quote]

    Sawyer has a thing for women on the wrong side of the tracks. He too, believes he is from the wrong side as he still wants to exact revenge on the con-man that lead to the death of his Mom & Pop.
    Good thing the show was only an hour long, Sawyer would have been complety tapped out before too long. Sheesh! Things were getting so bad I thought when Sawyer asked the island lady (sole survivor) who she was I figured she’d say his next conquest!!

  44. ninny says:

    Could the FSW we see be a result of Jacob’s touch not a result of the incident? Could Jacob have gone back in time and then touched them and then these are the decisions they made after the touch? Has anyone else wondered that or know what I am trying to say but maybe can say it more clearly than I am sounding?

    Widmore never said why he was there or who was coming for – he had a weird look after Sawyer laid out the plan, like maybe he was on MIB side is what I thought.

    I fully expected Ana Lucia to show up for the date or maybe be Miles’ girlfriend.

  45. ShaboneyCurlingCentre says:

    [quote comment="370949"]
    Sawyer has a thing for mal/LostLove on the wrong side of the tracks………
    [/quote]
    Great race today girl! – we saw you at our Canadian para-Olympics for the “challenged.” Keep at it — we are sure you will “conquer” third grade next year (decade). bon swaaaa.

  46. Shadow says:

    Is Claire faking it with Kate? I guess Danielle wasn’t so bad when she found out Alex was OK and was reunited with her. She tried to help the survivors. Could Claire also be getting over her craziness in the same way?

  47. Shadow says:

    Smokey sure is making alot of promises to alot of people. Is he really going to keep them safe? I couldn’t believe he slapped Claire…I would have been out of there!

  48. Mr. $tuart says:

    [quote comment="372318"][quote comment="372312"][quote comment="372308"][quote comment="372293"]Sawyer was 8 years old when his father killed his mother and himself in the original storyline. During this episode it said he was 9 years old? Error or something else?[/quote]
    He was also asked the guy he called if he had proof that he was in Alabama in 76. I thought Sawyer’s folks lived in Tennessee. I might be wrong.[/quote]
    I took it as the Ford had info that guy he called MAY have been in Alabama and the guy on the phone gave sufficient proof, therefore Ford’s disappointment.[/quote]
    Sawyer was born in Jasper,Al[/quote]
    I know, but I’m pretty sure that his parents died while they were living in Knoxville, Tennessee. Isn’t that what his letter to Tom Sawyer said?

  49. Mr. $tuart says:

    Charlotte was actually looking kinda hot. That was until they showed her in bed with Sawyer and we got to see just how pale she is. Holy cow that girl is white.

  50. Shadow says:

    where did everyone go? everybody in bed already?

  51. tc909 says:

    So Sawyer can’t fly the jet out of there, but he can pilot the sub? Whoa, that’s some confidence there dude!

    No one has mentioned the fine fine acting again of Holloway and the near tears when he found Charlotte going through his folder and telling her to get out. Another great performance.

  52. Lostfan says:

    So here’s my new theory. In this world – Anthony Cooper repented sometime after the death of Ford’s parents – and before the kidney incident…thus explaining John L being in good standing with dear old Dad.

  53. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="372310"]Why did MIB send Sawyer to Hydra? test?

    If Sawyer is a cop in FS why didnt he bust Kate in the elevator at the airport?[/quote]
    _______________________________
    I thought about that one. It’s because if he would have involved himself in busting Kate his cover story of going to Palm Springs would have been blown.

  54. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="372332"]So Sawyer can’t fly the jet out of there, but he can pilot the sub? Whoa, that’s some confidence there dude!

    No one has mentioned the fine fine acting again of Holloway and the near tears when he found Charlotte going through his folder and telling her to get out. Another great performance.[/quote]
    _______________________
    I thought about this one too. There is already a pilot for the sub (the guy who brought Widmore there). All Sawyer needs is a gun and to find that guy.

  55. tc909 says:

    [quote comment="372336"][quote comment="372332"]So Sawyer can’t fly the jet out of there, but he can pilot the sub? Whoa, that’s some confidence there dude!

    No one has mentioned the fine fine acting again of Holloway and the near tears when he found Charlotte going through his folder and telling her to get out. Another great performance.[/quote]
    _______________________
    I thought about this one too. There is already a pilot for the sub (the guy who brought Widmore there). All Sawyer needs is a gun and to find that guy.[/quote]

    Yeah, but a sub needs more than one guy to operate it…how is he going to hold an entire crew at gunpoint?

  56. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="372300"]This one def left me with nothing…(???) The one thing I’m hanging onto here is Claire and Kates big hug… Sawyer, Widmore, and Locke… all three have a different plan and neither one of them are telling any-body.[/quote]
    _________________________
    I’m right there with ya. Seems like they really made an effort to include Charlotte and Liam in an episode and that’s about it. Everything else was just to set-up the final events.

  57. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="372337"][quote comment="372336"][quote comment="372332"]So Sawyer can’t fly the jet out of there, but he can pilot the sub? Whoa, that’s some confidence there dude!

    No one has mentioned the fine fine acting again of Holloway and the near tears when he found Charlotte going through his folder and telling her to get out. Another great performance.[/quote]
    _______________________
    I thought about this one too. There is already a pilot for the sub (the guy who brought Widmore there). All Sawyer needs is a gun and to find that guy.[/quote]

    Yeah, but a sub needs more than one guy to operate it…how is he going to hold an entire crew at gunpoint?[/quote]
    ___________________________
    Sawyer already proved that 2-3 people with guns can comandeer a sub, no prob. See season 5 episode #16 The Incident, Part 1.

  58. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="372295"]Books on Sawyers dresser Watership Down, A Wrinkle In Time and Lancelot[/quote]
    _________________________
    A Wrinkle in Time features a character named Charles Wallace, a boy with extraordinary abilities. Hmmm…

  59. tc909 says:

    [quote comment="372339"][quote comment="372337"][quote comment="372336"][quote comment="372332"]So
    ___________________________
    Sawyer already proved that 2-3 people with guns can comandeer a sub, no prob. See season 5 episode #16 The Incident, Part 1.[/quote]

    I had already forgot that and it was just last season..duh!

    I am really going to miss this show when it’s over.

  60. dadman says:

    With all the characters seeming to be interconnected in the FS, when will we see Farraday again? I thought after Miles, Charlotte, and Charlie’s brother last night, it wouldn’t be long until Farraday showed up.

    Interesting that Sawyer found Jin. We last saw Sawyer in the cliff cave, but here he was with Jin.

    Have we heard the name Zoe before this episode? Is she simply a new character?

  61. LostGrrl says:

    [quote comment="372340"][quote comment="372295"]Books on Sawyers dresser Watership Down, A Wrinkle In Time and Lancelot[/quote]
    _________________________
    A Wrinkle in Time features a character named Charles Wallace, a boy with extraordinary abilities. Hmmm…[/quote]

    Hmmm… perhaps Widmore is really Wallace #108?

  62. LostGrrl says:

    [quote comment="372304"]FLocke tried to take Kate’s hand to help her up and she refused. He also tried to shake Sawyer’s to make the deal. Might be significant. We still don’t know much about the infection.[/quote]

    Not sure. It would be cool if Jacob’s touch makes you special in some way, but MIB’s touch turns you to the dark side. However, he didn’t touch Sayid, did he? And Sayid is gone.

  63. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="372343"][quote comment="372340"][quote comment="372295"]Books on Sawyers dresser Watership Down, A Wrinkle In Time and Lancelot[/quote]
    _________________________
    A Wrinkle in Time features a character named Charles Wallace, a boy with extraordinary abilities. Hmmm…[/quote]

    Hmmm… perhaps Widmore is really Wallace #108?[/quote]
    ________________________
    Or maybe Wallace is locked-up on the sub…

  64. Jake says:

    [quote comment="372316"][quote comment="372310"]Why did MIB send Sawyer to Hydra? test?

    If Sawyer is a cop in FS why didnt he bust Kate in the elevator at the airport?[/quote]

    He thought about busting Kate in the elevator. He tried to ask airport security what was going on and they blew him off so he said something like well I can’t help if I don’t know what you’re looking for.[/quote]

    If he’s a cop it really should have been his duty to bust her right then and there no matter what the security guards were talking about. Being a cop didn’t fit much with his character coming off that elevator, but it also doesn’t fit with going to Australia to kill someone.

    I really want to hear some theories about Locke’s mom. Was he talking about Locke’s mom or Smokey’s mom? Are there any Biblical scholars who know about crazy parents… maybe Esau’s mom? Is his mom the same as Jacob’s mom? I feel like we’ve had this discussion in the past, but maybe we should get back to it.

  65. Bacon Is My Constant says:

    I had forgotten that Sawyer talked to the security guard in the elevator with Kate. I just figured he didn’t bust her because he’s a dirty Cop. He may have pulled a few cons before joining the force; as long as he never got caught, he wouldn’t have a record.

    So Cooper and Locke in the FSW…Locke IS still in a wheelchair, but maybe it was because he DID give his kidney to Cooper but something went wrong during the surgery? I dunno.
    I guess I’m just saying that Sawyer and Cooper could still have been con men.

  66. Bacon Is My Constant says:

    part of me wants Locke’s mom (Emily) to be Ben’s mom Emily. This would make Locke’s mom about 25 when she had Ben. Anything’s possible with this show. But it was around the time when Ben took Locke to Jacob’s cabin. I forget the dialogue, but it made me think they could be half-brothers.
    I think that siblings/twins/brothers are definitely significant on this show given all of the twin/brother references they’re throwing at us. If Jacob and MIB are related, I have a hunch their replacements will be. And with all of the FSW people being in the same city, there’s more of a likelihood of half-siblings.

  67. Lostfan says:

    [quote comment="372347"][quote comment="372316"][quote comment="372310"]Why did MIB send Sawyer to Hydra? test?

    If Sawyer is a cop in FS why didnt he bust Kate in the elevator at the airport?[/quote]

    He thought about busting Kate in the elevator. He tried to ask airport security what was going on and they blew him off so he said something like well I can’t help if I don’t know what you’re looking for.[/quote]

    If he’s a cop it really should have been his duty to bust her right then and there no matter what the security guards were talking about. Being a cop didn’t fit much with his character coming off that elevator, but it also doesn’t fit with going to Australia to kill someone.

    I really want to hear some theories about Locke’s mom. Was he talking about Locke’s mom or Smokey’s mom? Are there any Biblical scholars who know about crazy parents… maybe Esau’s mom? Is his mom the same as Jacob’s mom? I feel like we’ve had this discussion in the past, but maybe we should get back to it.[/quote]

    Esau & Jacob’s mom was Rebekkah. Isaac, their Dad, favored Esau which made Jacob jealous (Daddy Issues). Rebekkah favored Esau (could be that he viewed this as “crazy). Rebekkah helped Jacob trick Isaac into giving Jacob his blessing, which was promised to Esau. Because Isaac was blind, she dressed Jacob up in Esau’s clothes (to give off his scent) and put hair on his arms (because Esau was hairier than Jacob) so that Isaac would think he was blessing Esau. Poor Esau was out hunting for his dad when Jacob and Rebekkah pulled a fast one.

    After this, Esau is royally pissed-off, along with Isaac who realizes what has been done and Jacob runs away to escape Esau’s wrath.

    It is when he is away that he repents, gets conned into marrying the wrong woman, and realizes how petty he was.

    Incidentally, Jacob later had a son with his true-love Rachel. His name was Ben, and she died while giving birth on the side of a road. Just saying….

  68. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="372349"]part of me wants Locke’s mom (Emily) to be Ben’s mom Emily. This would make Locke’s mom about 25 when she had Ben. Anything’s possible with this show. But it was around the time when Ben took Locke to Jacob’s cabin. I forget the dialogue, but it made me think they could be half-brothers.
    I think that siblings/twins/brothers are definitely significant on this show given all of the twin/brother references they’re throwing at us. If Jacob and MIB are related, I have a hunch their replacements will be. And with all of the FSW people being in the same city, there’s more of a likelihood of half-siblings.[/quote]
    Jack and Claire?

  69. Miss lost says:

    [quote comment="372342"]With all the characters seeming to be interconnected in the FS, when will we see Farraday again? I thought after Miles, Charlotte, and Charlie’s brother last night, it wouldn’t be long until Farraday showed up.

    Interesting that Sawyer found Jin. We last saw Sawyer in the cliff cave, but here he was with Jin.

    Have we heard the name Zoe before this episode? Is she simply a new character?[/quote]
    **************

    Sawyer was with Flocke in the cave who then went to Claire’s hut. We didn’t see Sawyer in the last episode but I think we were to assume if Flocke was at the hut so was Sawyer. Sawyer stayed behind with Jin. I don’t think smokey wanted him to see the destruction at the temple…still needs Sawyer on his side.

  70. LostGrrl says:

    [quote comment="372347"][quote comment="372316"][quote comment="372310"]Why did MIB send Sawyer to Hydra? test?

    If Sawyer is a cop in FS why didnt he bust Kate in the elevator at the airport?[/quote]

    He thought about busting Kate in the elevator. He tried to ask airport security what was going on and they blew him off so he said something like well I can’t help if I don’t know what you’re looking for.[/quote]

    If he’s a cop it really should have been his duty to bust her right then and there no matter what the security guards were talking about. Being a cop didn’t fit much with his character coming off that elevator, but it also doesn’t fit with going to Australia to kill someone.

    I really want to hear some theories about Locke’s mom. Was he talking about Locke’s mom or Smokey’s mom? [/quote]

    Smokey’s mom. Locke said “before I looked like… this,” meaning before he took over the Locke body. I took it to mean the mother of the man on the beach with Jacob.

    Perhaps it’s Eloise? I’d say it’s pretty nuts to do what she did with Farraday during his life.

  71. Bacon Is My Constant says:

    this is a good link about Jacob vs. Esau; the truth is that Esau SOLD his birthright to Jacob much later. after the initial lies of Jacob to his father. So it’s not so black and white with the “poor Esau”.

    http://searchwarp.com/swa415109.htm

  72. Jaime says:

    [quote comment="372335"][quote comment="372310"]Why did MIB send Sawyer to Hydra? test?

    If Sawyer is a cop in FS why didnt he bust Kate in the elevator at the airport?[/quote]
    _______________________________
    I thought about that one. It’s because if he would have involved himself in busting Kate his cover story of going to Palm Springs would have been blown.[/quote]
    ************************************
    I love this theory!! It was hard for me to believe that he simply let her go because she was pretty. Great answer thanks

  73. Miss lost says:

    [quote comment="372344"][quote comment="372304"]FLocke tried to take Kate’s hand to help her up and she refused. He also tried to shake Sawyer’s to make the deal. Might be significant. We still don’t know much about the infection.[/quote]

    Not sure. It would be cool if Jacob’s touch makes you special in some way, but MIB’s touch turns you to the dark side. However, he didn’t touch Sayid, did he? And Sayid is gone.[/quote]
    ***********
    Something to remember with Jacob’s touch…he touched them on purpose. They did not shake his hand rather he made it a point to touch each of them. It seems that a touch from Jacob is like a special protection and somehow is suppose to draw you to the island.
    I know we talked about this in another thread, but I think Jacob might have used the mirrors to actively pick a point in time in their lives and go back in time AFTER they had already been on the island. JMO…

    I don’t think we know what the touch of Flocke is suppose to do if it happens but I think it might be to show us how repulsed our losties are by him. They do not trust him and I think they know his is evil.

  74. tc909 says:

    [quote comment="372339"][quote comment="372337"][quote comment="372336"][quote comment="372332"]So
    ___________________________
    Sawyer already proved that 2-3 people with guns can comandeer a sub, no prob. See season 5 episode #16 The Incident, Part 1.[/quote]

    I had already forgot that and it was just last season..duh!

    I am really going to miss this show when it’s over.
    [quote comment="372347"][quote comment="372316"][quote comment="372310"]Why did MIB send Sawyer to Hydra? test?

    If Sawyer is a cop in FS why didnt he bust Kate in the elevator at the airport?[/quote]

    He thought about busting Kate in the elevator. He tried to ask airport security what was going on and they blew him off so he said something like well I can’t help if I don’t know what you’re looking for.[/quote]

    If he’s a cop it really should have been his duty to bust her right then and there no matter what the security guards were talking about. Being a cop to it.[/quote]

    Then again, it may be that something just didn’t “feel” right about busting her, like he knew her before or something, in the same way Jack had a weird feeling about his appendix..?

  75. wallyp says:

    [quote comment="372321"][quote comment="372302"]Oh wait yeah, Widmore wants to kill both Jacob and the MIB. thats it.[/quote]

    Where do you come up with some of your stuff?[/quote]

    HA! Usually I just pick the craziest idea I can come up with and then work backwards…

    The way I see it is that we have three main players here. Widmore, MIB, and Sawyer. Theres an allegience between two… and its either

    Sawyer and Widmore
    Sawyer and MIB
    or
    MIB and Widmore

    but, in either way you look at, the allegiance is crap, because each one is looking out for themselves. (I assume with Widmore…)

    Widmores brief appearance proves to me that he and MIB come from the same school. They both have that ability to be convincingly drastic or gentle when it suits them. Sawyer on the other hand, is a great con-man, but no where near as experienced as either. (Hence the twenty times he was told to stop lying in this ep…)

    Will have to get more info before I decide what I really think Widmores up to… but heres my money prediction…

    One of these three (which?) is gonna freak out and blow up the sub… “WHERES THE SUBMARINE!?”

  76. LostLove says:

    [quote comment="372346"][quote comment="372343"][quote comment="372340"][quote comment="372295"]Books on Sawyers dresser Watership Down, A Wrinkle In Time and Lancelot[/quote]
    _________________________
    A Wrinkle in Time features a character named Charles Wallace, a boy with extraordinary abilities. Hmmm…[/quote]

    Hmmm… perhaps Widmore is really Wallace #108?[/quote]
    ________________________
    Or maybe Wallace is locked-up on the sub…[/quote]

    Wallace is #108?? HMMM boy w/ extraordinary abilities hmmmm Wallace? Walt?? Wallace = Walt!

  77. Shadow says:

    [quote comment="372358"][quote comment="372321"][quote comment="372302"]Oh wait yeah, Widmore wants to kill both Jacob and the MIB. thats it.[/quote]

    Where do you come up with some of your stuff?[/quote]

    HA! Usually I just pick the craziest idea I can come up with and then work backwards…

    The way I see it is that we have three main players here. Widmore, MIB, and Sawyer. Theres an allegience between two… and its either

    Sawyer and Widmore
    Sawyer and MIB
    or
    MIB and Widmore

    but, in either way you look at, the allegiance is crap, because each one is looking out for themselves. (I assume with Widmore…)

    Widmores brief appearance proves to me that he and MIB come from the same school. They both have that ability to be convincingly drastic or gentle when it suits them. Sawyer on the other hand, is a great con-man, but no where near as experienced as either. (Hence the twenty times he was told to stop lying in this ep…)

    Will have to get more info before I decide what I really think Widmores up to… but heres my money prediction…

    One of these three (which?) is gonna freak out and blow up the sub… “WHERES THE SUBMARINE!?”[/quote]

    Not another blown up sub!

  78. dadman says:

    [quote comment="372352"][quote comment="372342"]With all the characters seeming to be interconnected in the FS, when will we see Farraday again? I thought after Miles, Charlotte, and Charlie’s brother last night, it wouldn’t be long until Farraday showed up.

    Interesting that Sawyer found Jin. We last saw Sawyer in the cliff cave, but here he was with Jin.
    [/quote]
    **************

    Sawyer was with Flocke in the cave who then went to Claire’s hut. We didn’t see Sawyer in the last episode but I think we were to assume if Flocke was at the hut so was Sawyer. Sawyer stayed behind with Jin. I don’t think smokey wanted him to see the destruction at the temple…still needs Sawyer on his side.[/quote]

    Thanks, Miss lost.

  79. LostLove says:

    [quote comment="372360"][quote comment="372358"][quote comment="372321"][quote comment="372302"]Oh wait yeah, Widmore wants to kill both Jacob and the MIB. thats it.[/quote]

    Where do you come up with some of your stuff?[/quote]

    HA! Usually I just pick the craziest idea I can come up with and then work backwards…

    The way I see it is that we have three main players here. Widmore, MIB, and Sawyer. Theres an allegience between two… and its either

    Sawyer and Widmore
    Sawyer and MIB
    or
    MIB and Widmore

    but, in either way you look at, the allegiance is crap, because each one is looking out for themselves. (I assume with Widmore…)

    Widmores brief appearance proves to me that he and MIB come from the same school. They both have that ability to be convincingly drastic or gentle when it suits them. Sawyer on the other hand, is a great con-man, but no where near as experienced as either. (Hence the twenty times he was told to stop lying in this ep…)

    Will have to get more info before I decide what I really think Widmores up to… but heres my money prediction…

    One of these three (which?) is gonna freak out and blow up the sub… “WHERES THE SUBMARINE!?”[/quote]

    Not another blown up sub![/quote]

    Well, we know Sawyer is working on his own self interests, namely getting off the island. So he thinks he is working MIB/Locke & Widmore, just as he told Kate.
    He better hope that those 2 are not in an alliance, as he just lied to Flocke once again regarding Widmore wanting to kill Flocke.
    IMO, Widmore was sent by Jacob to deliver Walt to the island. Let the battle begin, pass the popcorn!

  80. LostLove says:

    _________________________
    A Wrinkle in Time features a character named Charles Wallace, a boy with extraordinary abilities. Hmmm…

    Hmmm… perhaps Widmore is really Wallace #108?

    ________________________
    Or maybe Wallace is locked-up on the sub…

    Wallace is #108?? HMMM boy w/ extraordinary abilities hmmmm Wallace? Walt?? Wallace = Walt!

    Then again…., the names on the cave walls and on the lighttower compass are all last names, sooooo it could be 60 Minutes’ Mike Wallace for all we know right now.

  81. Lostfan says:

    [quote comment="372354"]this is a good link about Jacob vs. Esau; the truth is that Esau SOLD his birthright to Jacob much later. after the initial lies of Jacob to his father. So it’s not so black and white with the “poor Esau”.

    http://searchwarp.com/swa415109.htm%5B/quote%5D

    Esau sold his birthright because he was hungry and Jacob had food. First time we saw them in Lost – Jacob was eating – and he offered food to MIB. MIB said he’d already eaten. Now I know this is all a stretch – but Lost has never casually thrown anything into a storyline. Even a piece of fish.

    Coincidence? I think not!

  82. Miss lost says:

    I like that Sawyer explains that he made a choice…he was either going to lead a life of crime or be a cop. I think many of the same Sawyerisms exist…he still longs for his parents and he is still consumed with the man that duped them!
    I think many of the FS are to show us that they made different choices in their lives that were a direct result of their time on the island. We have discussed that all of the island events have happened. Sawyer was in DI, he was security and he was in love with Juliette. Even though they don’t show them really remembering their island time I think it has changed who they are in FS. Sawyer liked being needed, liked being respected and so this has influenced his FS…he made a new choice to live a life of good vs crime…
    BUT he still has those feelings of loss and resentment towards Sawyer…
    Loved the island connection of Lafleur!
    Finally, I loved that something was resolved for Sawyer…while watching the Little House on the Prairie scene and he realized that those we have lost are not gone and that we have to live our best life bc we will see them again…aha moment for Sawyer.
    Who was hoping he was going to run into Juliette at a coffee shop?

  83. 4 8 15 16 23 42 says:

    I think that Widmore is on MIB’s team, and that MIB knew he was there. He sent Sawyer over there to get caught.

    I think the key line was: “Thank you for your loyalty, James.” At this point MIB knew that Sawyer was lying to him.

    I like how they will get old planes for the show, yet the submarine continues to look like crap.

  84. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="372359"][quote comment="372346"][quote comment="372343"][quote comment="372340"][quote comment="372295"]Books on Sawyers dresser Watership Down, A Wrinkle In Time and Lancelot[/quote]
    _________________________
    A Wrinkle in Time features a character named Charles Wallace, a boy with extraordinary abilities. Hmmm…[/quote]

    Hmmm… perhaps Widmore is really Wallace #108?[/quote]
    ________________________
    Or maybe Wallace is locked-up on the sub…[/quote]

    Wallace is #108??

    HMMM boy w/ extraordinary abilities hmmmm Wallace? Walt?? Wallace = Walt![/quote]
    _______________________
    Only way it’s Walt is if he changed his last name to Wallace, which is plausable. We know from “Meet Kevin Johnson” that Walt and Michael changed their names.

    Although, I was thinking it could be the boy Flocke and Sawyer saw in the jungle. If he has abilities similar to Walt, he could mysteriously appear in places just as Walt did.

  85. tc912 says:

    [quote comment="372357"][quote comment="372339"][quote comment="372337"][quote comment="372336"][quote comment="372332"]So
    ___________________________
    Sawyer already proved that 2-3 people with guns can comandeer a sub, no prob. See season 5 episode #16 The Incident, Part 1.[/quote]

    I had already forgot that and it was just last season..duh!

    I am really going to miss this show when it’s over.
    [quote comment="372347"][quote comment="372316"][quote comment="372310"]Why did MIB send Sawyer to Hydra? test?

    If Sawyer is a cop in FS why didnt he bust Kate in the elevator at the airport?[/quote]

    [quote comment="372360"][quote comment="372358"][quote comment="372321"][quote comment="372302"]Oh wait yeah, Widmore wants to kill both Jacob and the MIB. thats it.[/quote]

    Where do you come up with some of your stuff?[/quote]

    HA! Usually I just pick the craziest idea I can come up with and then work backwards…

    The way I see it is that we have three main players here. Widmore, MIB, and Sawyer. Theres an allegience between two… and its either

    Sawyer and Widmore
    Sawyer and MIB
    or
    MIB and Widmore

    but, in either way you look at, the allegiance is crap, because each one is looking out for themselves. (I assume with Widmore…)

    Widmores brief appearance proves to me that he and MIB come from the same school. They both have that ability to be convincingly drastic or gentle when it suits them. Sawyer on the other hand, is a great con-man, but no where near as experienced as either. (Hence the twenty times he was told to stop lying in this ep…)

    Will have to get more info before I decide what I really think Widmores up to… but heres my money prediction…

    One of these three (which?) is gonna freak out and blow up the sub… “WHERES THE SUBMARINE!?”[/quote]

    Not another blown up sub![/quote]

    He thought about busting Kate in the elevator. He tried to ask airport security what was going on and they blew him off so he said something like well I can’t help if I don’t know what you’re looking for.[/quote]

    If he’s a cop it really should have been his duty to bust her right then and there no matter what the security guards were talking about. Being a cop to it.[/quote]

    Then again, it may be that something just didn’t “feel” right about busting her, like he knew her before or something, in the same way Jack had a weird feeling about his appendix..?[/quote]

  86. Rebecca says:

    [quote comment="372362"][quote comment="372360"][quote comment="372358"][quote comment="372321"][quote comment="372302"]
    Well, we know Sawyer is working on his own self interests, namely getting off the island. So he thinks he is working MIB/Locke & Widmore, just as he told Kate.
    He better hope that those 2 are not in an alliance, as he just lied to Flocke once again regarding Widmore wanting to kill Flocke.
    IMO, Widmore was sent by Jacob to deliver Walt to the island. Let the battle begin, pass the popcorn![/quote]

    I don’t think Widmore and Flocke are working together for 2 reasons: 1. Apparently Jacob wanted widmore to get to the island as we were hinted at in the lighthouse. 2. Widmore’s people were apparently putting up something that looked a lot like Dharma’s sonic barriers, designed to keep smokey out. So I’m assuming he does not want smokey to get too close to the sub or to him, if they were working together he wouldn’t need that.

    BTW talking about random hookups!!! Sawyer and Charlotte? although i kind of saw that coming when Miles said she worked at the museum, but i was totally expecting Sawyer to hit a bar right after Charlotte blew him off and then meet Juliet…. so we could all hear those famous words “we should get coffee, we could go dutch”!!

  87. Hammer says:

    Sawyer WAS a cop…for 3 years…in the 70s…for DHARMA. He had to choose back then a life of crime(running from DHARMA) or be a cop. Course corrections/connections are mounting between the two time lines.

  88. JcK says:

    I found myself confused during last night’s episode as to how all the allegiances sorted out. Namely, Widmore found Locke in Tunisia and was willing to do anything to get him back to the the island, which, would make it seem as though he was on the side of Smokey.

    Now he’s back with the intention of killing Smokey…so when he helped Locke recruit the other O6 to get back to the island, was he operating under false impressions or what?

    I assume all this will shake out in the end, but the whole “who is on who’s side?” questions is complicated for me.

  89. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="372371"]I found myself confused during last night’s episode as to how all the allegiances sorted out. Namely, Widmore found Locke in Tunisia and was willing to do anything to get him back to the the island, which, would make it seem as though he was on the side of Smokey.

    Now he’s back with the intention of killing Smokey…so when he helped Locke recruit the other O6 to get back to the island, was he operating under false impressions or what?

    I assume all this will shake out in the end, but the whole “who is on who’s side?” questions is complicated for me.[/quote]
    My take right now is that Widmore helped Locke because he like Jacob and MIB needed them back on the island to do whatever rules are needed to be followed in order to be the one in charge of the island. Widmore told Ben that it’s his island…he’s on his own side.

  90. Guttahman says:

    Im not sold on Walt being locked up on the sub and that Widmore is the person Jacob was waiting for…I think it may be Desmond thats locked up…why would Widmore lock up a kid? we know he doesnt like Desmond and the chances that Des would go anywhere with Widmore are slim to none, so Widmore kidnaps and locks him up on the sub. I think Widmore knew Des was a critical part of the island for a long time, thats why he was so opposed to Penny and Des’ relationship, he didnt want his daughter to get involved with the island.

  91. LostLove says:

    [quote comment="372365"]I like that Sawyer explains that he made a choice…he was either going to lead a life of crime or be a cop. I think many of the same Sawyerisms exist…he still longs for his parents and he is still consumed with the man that duped them!
    I think many of the FS are to show us that they made different choices in their lives that were a direct result of their time on the island. We have discussed that all of the island events have happened. Sawyer was in DI, he was security and he was in love with Juliette. Even though they don’t show them really remembering their island time I think it has changed who they are in FS. Sawyer liked being needed, liked being respected and so this has influenced his FS…he made a new choice to live a life of good vs crime…
    BUT he still has those feelings of loss and resentment towards Sawyer…
    Loved the island connection of Lafleur!
    Finally, I loved that something was resolved for Sawyer…while watching the Little House on the Prairie scene and he realized that those we have lost are not gone and that we have to live our best life bc we will see them again…aha moment for Sawyer.
    Who was hoping he was going to run into Juliette at a coffee shop?[/quote]

    In the FS world as we are currently seeing our losties, they did not have “island time” to remember because they never crashed on the island. Sawyer made a different choice in this FS world, a world that changed course due to the incident in 1977.
    As we have come to these losties, we know them not to be purely bad or even hardened criminals. Even on the island Kate (convicted killer) and Sawyer (con-man) have shown they have plenty of heart. They made some bad choices that steered them in the predicaments we know them to be in. In the FS world, we now see that at some point, Sawyer made a different choice and chose to be a cop. But has he really changed into a better man? That’s debatable as he still is looking to exact revenge on his parents’ con-man.
    In Ben’s case, not being on the island (and becoming a hardened power crazy lunatic) has helped him make a choice that was not all about himself when he helped Alex and hurt his chance at the Principal position.
    At some point, when these 2 worlds intersect, I will agree with you that there will be some memory of island time. For now though, there is none, because there never was. Amen (inspired by the biblical stories above)

  92. Lostfan says:

    BTW talking about random hookups!!! Sawyer and Charlotte? although i kind of saw that coming when Miles said she worked at the museum, but i was totally expecting Sawyer to hit a bar right after Charlotte blew him off and then meet Juliet…. so we could all hear those famous words “we should get coffee, we could go dutch”!![/quote]

    First, he has to go through the Kate thing…then when that blows up, as it inevitably will, he’ll meet Juliet. I am of the Juliet is Jack’s ex-wife camp. She had to do her Jack thing first…then will meet the one she is supposed to be with.

  93. TanziTwo says:

    [quote comment="372371"]
    I found myself confused — back with the intention of killing Smokey.
    [/quote] retweet—
    does chaz widmore intend to kill the smoke-mibster?

    maybe widmore has been responsible for facilitating all of the actions that led to the death of jacob. widmore wants the island. he cant have it until the security system (smoke mibster) is down, or out. wid helps locke to return, knowing that will clear away the human detritus on the island. everyone jumps on ajira. everyone dies on ajira. widmore gets a free walk on the island. reactivates all of the stations like swan and orchid. then foom. island goes all stealthy and old eloise has a cow.

  94. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="372374"][quote comment="372365"][/quote]

    In the FS world as we are currently seeing our losties, they did not have “island time” to remember because they never crashed on the island…

    …I will agree with you that there will be some memory of island time. For now though, there is none, because there never was. Amen (inspired by the biblical stories above)[/quote]
    IMO, even though you are saying it never happened there is a problem. The event that made it ‘never happen’ was done by the folks that made it ‘never happen’. Therefore it DID happen, then through TT is was ‘changed’.

    Amen. ;)

  95. Miraks says:

    1. Who is Charlotte? It seems she was going through Sawyers stuff, not just looking for a t-shirt.

    2. Without Jacob’s pen, did boy Sawyer ever write his letter to the “real” Sawyer? I did not see it in that folder, which would be a logical place for it.

    3. Will Sawyer find and confront the con-man Sawyer at Locke’s wedding?

    4. Why is Tina Fey on the island?

  96. wallyp says:

    [quote comment="372375"]BTW talking about random hookups!!! Sawyer and Charlotte? although i kind of saw that coming when Miles said she worked at the museum, but i was totally expecting Sawyer to hit a bar right after Charlotte blew him off and then meet Juliet…. so we could all hear those famous words “we should get coffee, we could go dutch”!![/quote]

    First, he has to go through the Kate thing…then when that blows up, as it inevitably will, he’ll meet Juliet. I am of the Juliet is Jack’s ex-wife camp. She had to do her Jack thing first…then will meet the one she is supposed to be with.[/quote]

    Ok, so he’s gonna lock kate up. Then… he’ll set her free. Maybe he’ll try and get her to slap him around a bit first so it looks like it wasnt his fault…BUT unlike Sayid who refused this invitation, she’ll go ape on his face…

  97. Rebecca says:

    [quote comment="372375"]BTW talking about random hookups!!! Sawyer and Charlotte? although i kind of saw that coming when Miles said she worked at the museum, but i was totally expecting Sawyer to hit a bar right after Charlotte blew him off and then meet Juliet…. so we could all hear those famous words “we should get coffee, we could go dutch”!![/quote]

    First, he has to go through the Kate thing…then when that blows up, as it inevitably will, he’ll meet Juliet. I am of the Juliet is Jack’s ex-wife camp. She had to do her Jack thing first…then will meet the one she is supposed to be with.[/quote]

    I love that idea, it makes sense…. besides i’ve always thought david’s eyes were waaaay too blue to be Sarah’s

  98. Lostfan says:

    [quote comment="372379"][quote comment="372375"]BTW talking about random hookups!!! Sawyer and Charlotte? although i kind of saw that coming when Miles said she worked at the museum, but i was totally expecting Sawyer to hit a bar right after Charlotte blew him off and then meet Juliet…. so we could all hear those famous words “we should get coffee, we could go dutch”!![/quote]

    First, he has to go through the Kate thing…then when that blows up, as it inevitably will, he’ll meet Juliet. I am of the Juliet is Jack’s ex-wife camp. She had to do her Jack thing first…then will meet the one she is supposed to be with.[/quote]

    Ok, so he’s gonna lock kate up. Then… he’ll set her free. Maybe he’ll try and get her to slap him around a bit first so it looks like it wasnt his fault…BUT unlike Sayid who refused this invitation, she’ll go ape on his face…[/quote]

    And then they’ll end up back at Sawyer’s place – but she’ll walk out at 3am instead of being kicked out.

    Amen and peace be with you.

  99. wallyp says:

    [quote comment="372378"]1. Who is Charlotte? quote]

    she is one fine looking milky white indiana Jonesess when her nose aint all bloody… But she was totally spying on sawyer, absolutely. Miles is probably spying on him too… (cuz they work for Widmore…)

  100. JcK says:

    Regarding these ‘flash sideways’: it’s obvious that all the Losties are intertwined. I wonder if what we’re seeing is what Jacob saw in his lighthouse that prompted him to bring them to the island…

    Although, that is problematic when you consider the possible direct connection b/w the FS storyline and the original island story (I’m thinking of Jack’s confusion over his scar)

  101. Lostfan says:

    [quote comment="372380"][quote comment="372375"]BTW talking about random hookups!!! Sawyer and Charlotte? although i kind of saw that coming when Miles said she worked at the museum, but i was totally expecting Sawyer to hit a bar right after Charlotte blew him off and then meet Juliet…. so we could all hear those famous words “we should get coffee, we could go dutch”!![/quote]

    First, he has to go through the Kate thing…then when that blows up, as it inevitably will, he’ll meet Juliet. I am of the Juliet is Jack’s ex-wife camp. She had to do her Jack thing first…then will meet the one she is supposed to be with.[/quote]

    I love that idea, it makes sense…. besides i’ve always thought david’s eyes were waaaay too blue to be Sarah’s[/quote]

    Yes – and I read somewhere (maybe this blog) that Sarah’s eyes are actually brown.

  102. Lind says:

    [quote comment="372324"]Could the FSW we see be a result of Jacob’s touch not a result of the incident? Could Jacob have gone back in time and then touched them and then these are the decisions they made after the touch? Has anyone else wondered that or know what I am trying to say but maybe can say it more clearly than I am sounding?

    Widmore never said why he was there or who was coming for – he had a weird look after Sawyer laid out the plan, like maybe he was on MIB side is what I thought.

    I fully expected Ana Lucia to show up for the date or maybe be Miles’ girlfriend.[/quote]

    I wondered about this as well – if, when we saw Jacob touching the characters, they were children in the sideways timeline… However, what doesn’t add up is that we saw him touch Locke and Hurley during events that were clearly in the original timeline (Locke after his father pushed him out the window, Hurley before he got on the Ajira flight)

  103. dadman says:

    [quote comment="372378"]1. Who is Charlotte? It seems she was going through Sawyers stuff, not just looking for a t-shirt.

    4. Why is Tina Fey on the island?[/quote]

    Love it! Exactly what I was thinking.

    Charlotte was just checking whatever she could to get an idea of who she just slept with. Makes sense, but it seemed more than that, didin’t it.

  104. Hammer says:

    The thing that kills the MIB – Widmore tag team idea for me:

    Widmore’s people were setting up a sonic fence to keep him out, IMO. I know it could just be to keep anyone out, but seems more likely to keep smokey out.

  105. Seajam says:

    [quote comment="372374"]In the FS world, we now see that at some point, Sawyer made a different choice and chose to be a cop. But has he really changed into a better man? That’s debatable as he still is looking to exact revenge on his parents’ con-man.[/quote]

    He is conning the cops. His intention is to gather anything that will help him find “Sawyer” and is using his job to hide who he really is, a guy who wants to kill someone. It’s not exactly the kind of thing most cops would confess to another cop.

  106. cesco says:

    [quote comment="372386"][quote comment="372378"]1. Who is Charlotte? It seems she was going through Sawyers stuff, not just looking for a t-shirt.

    4. Why is Tina Fey on the island?[/quote]

    Love it! Exactly what I was thinking.

    Charlotte was just checking whatever she could to get an idea of who she just slept with. Makes sense, but it seemed more than that, didin’t it.[/quote]

    I’m thinking maybe Miles put her up to investigating details on James’ life

  107. Miss lost says:

    [quote comment="372387"]The thing that kills the MIB – Widmore tag team idea for me:

    Widmore’s people were setting up a sonic fence to keep him out, IMO. I know it could just be to keep anyone out, but seems more likely to keep smokey out.[/quote]
    *************
    Widmore knows alot I am sure. It seems even Sawyer thought it was to keep smokey out or all of their enemies.

    I know you think Widmore is like Ben and wants the power (like Napolean) but I am hoping he is back to protect the island.

    Wonder what will bring the Llana team into contact with Flocke and will they align with Widmore?

    I do think Widmore is

  108. Miss lost says:

    [quote comment="372388"][quote comment="372374"]In the FS world, we now see that at some point, Sawyer made a different choice and chose to be a cop. But has he really changed into a better man? That’s debatable as he still is looking to exact revenge on his parents’ con-man.[/quote]

    He is conning the cops. His intention is to gather anything that will help him find “Sawyer” and is using his job to hide who he really is, a guy who wants to kill someone. It’s not exactly the kind of thing most cops would confess to another cop.[/quote]
    ***********

    I don’t think he is conning the cops. I just think he still has issues with what happened to his parents, but we might have also witnessed that resolution. I think deep down Sawyer likes being needed, as well as respected.
    I also thought that it was interesting that he was Detective Ford, NOT Sawyer. I think that says alot about the difference in him.

    AS for not busting Kate, I agree with an earlier post. Sawyer asked the security on the elevator what was going on and they ignored him. This part of Sawyer we have seen time and time again where he was about to help but when given the brush off he changed his mind!

  109. LostGrrl says:

    [quote comment="372371"]I found myself confused during last night’s episode as to how all the allegiances sorted out. Namely, Widmore found Locke in Tunisia and was willing to do anything to get him back to the the island, which, would make it seem as though he was on the side of Smokey.

    Now he’s back with the intention of killing Smokey…so when he helped Locke recruit the other O6 to get back to the island, was he operating under false impressions or what?

    I assume all this will shake out in the end, but the whole “who is on who’s side?” questions is complicated for me.[/quote]

    Widmore was willing to do anything to get LOCKE back on the island. That plan failed when Ben killed Locke. I think MIB is using Locke’s body because it’s convenient. It’s just the current host for his evil soul.

    After the scene on the sub, we are assuming that Widmore wants to kill MIB/Locke, but he never said that directly. (Not that he would — this is LOST, after all.)

    It certainly does seem as though Widmore is erecting the security sonar to keep MIB away from the sub.

    (BTW, where did all that steel come from to build that huge sonar tower? They haven’t had enough time on the island to have built it there. And the sub is big, but not that big.)

  110. Miss lost says:

    [quote comment="372374"][quote comment="372365"]I like that Sawyer explains that he made a choice…he was either going to lead a life of crime or be a cop. I think many of the same Sawyerisms exist…he still longs for his parents and he is still consumed with the man that duped them!
    I think many of the FS are to show us that they made different choices in their lives that were a direct result of their time on the island. We have discussed that all of the island events have happened. Sawyer was in DI, he was security and he was in love with Juliette. Even though they don’t show them really remembering their island time I think it has changed who they are in FS. Sawyer liked being needed, liked being respected and so this has influenced his FS…he made a new choice to live a life of good vs crime…
    BUT he still has those feelings of loss and resentment towards Sawyer…
    Loved the island connection of Lafleur!
    Finally, I loved that something was resolved for Sawyer…while watching the Little House on the Prairie scene and he realized that those we have lost are not gone and that we have to live our best life bc we will see them again…aha moment for Sawyer.
    Who was hoping he was going to run into Juliette at a coffee shop?[/quote]

    In the FS world as we are currently seeing our losties, they did not have “island time” to remember because they never crashed on the island. Sawyer made a different choice in this FS world, a world that changed course due to the incident in 1977.
    As we have come to these losties, we know them not to be purely bad or even hardened criminals. Even on the island Kate (convicted killer) and Sawyer (con-man) have shown they have plenty of heart. They made some bad choices that steered them in the predicaments we know them to be in. In the FS world, we now see that at some point, Sawyer made a different choice and chose to be a cop. But has he really changed into a better man? That’s debatable as he still is looking to exact revenge on his parents’ con-man.
    In Ben’s case, not being on the island (and becoming a hardened power crazy lunatic) has helped him make a choice that was not all about himself when he helped Alex and hurt his chance at the Principal position.
    At some point, when these 2 worlds intersect, I will agree with you that there will be some memory of island time. For now though, there is none, because there never was. Amen (inspired by the biblical stories above)[/quote]
    ****************
    This will have to be one of those agree to disagree. I think that the FS events are happening AFTER the other events. I do believe that what we have seen has really happened in their lives. They do land safely in the FS story but I don’t think it means they didn’t crash the first time.
    I just can’t decide if the incident happening is what causes this FS or if another event that we have not seen yet is going to be the catalyst to our new events.
    It would almost make sense that it was what occured in 1977 since their lives have been so different since that time.

  111. Miss lost says:

    When Widmore and Sawyer meet I did think it was interesting that Sawyer did not shake hands with Flocke, but he did with Widmore.
    What I took from their exchange was I don’t trust you anymore than you trust me. So I think Widmore will be prepared. Sawyer was really only trying to protect himself and whoever else will be in his boat. Will be interesting to see who is in his boat.

  112. Miss lost says:

    One more thing about the exchange between Kate and Flocke and the made mother. I think he was making it clear that Claire is crazy and he knows what can happen to chilren when they are raised by crazy moms (it was like look at me). But I couldn’t tell if he was trying to get Kate to off Claire so she could never reunite with Aaron or just not tell her where Aaron is so she will remain crazy and on his side.
    Someone mentioned this above that Danielle had a different peace about her after she was reunited with Alex…and maybe the same could be true for Claire. Hearing about him, seeing pics of him and being reunited with him could truly heal her infected heart!

  113. Uber Zeitung says:

    [quote comment="372368"][quote comment="372357"][quote comment="372339"][quote comment="372337"][quote comment="372336"][quote comment="372332"]So
    ___________________________
    Sawyer already proved that 2-3 people with guns can comandeer a sub, no prob. See season 5 episode #16 The Incident, Part 1.[/quote]

    I had already forgot that and it was just last season..duh!

    I am really going to miss this show when it’s over.
    [quote comment="372347"][quote comment="372316"][quote comment="372310"]Why did MIB send Sawyer to Hydra? test?

    If Sawyer is a cop in FS why didnt he bust Kate in the elevator at the airport?[/quote]

    [quote comment="372360"][quote comment="372358"][quote comment="372321"][quote comment="372302"]Oh wait yeah, Widmore wants to kill both Jacob and the MIB. thats it.[/quote]

    Where do you come up with some of your stuff?[/quote]

    HA! Usually I just pick the craziest idea I can come up with and then work backwards…

    The way I see it is that we have three main players here. Widmore, MIB, and Sawyer. Theres an allegience between two… and its either

    [quote comment="372393"][quote comment="372374"][quote comment="372365"]I like that Sawyer explains that he made a choice…he was either going to lead a life of crime or be a cop. I think many of the same Sawyerisms exist…he still longs for his parents and he is still consumed with the man that duped them!
    I think many of the FS are to show us that they made different choices in their lives that were a direct result of their time on the island. We have discussed that all of the island events have happened. Sawyer was in DI, he was security and he was in love with Juliette. Even though they don’t show them really remembering their island time I think it has changed who they are in FS. Sawyer liked being needed, liked being respected and so this has influenced his FS…he made a new choice to live a life of good vs crime…
    BUT he still has those feelings of loss and resentment towards Sawyer…
    Loved the island connection of Lafleur!
    Finally, I loved that something was resolved for Sawyer…while watching the Little House on the Prairie scene and he realized that those we have lost are not gone and that we have to live our best life bc we will see them again…aha moment for Sawyer.
    Who was hoping he was going to run into Juliette at a coffee shop?[/quote]

    In the FS world as we are currently seeing our losties, they did not have “island time” to remember because they never crashed on the island. Sawyer made a different choice in this FS world, a world that changed course due to the incident in 1977.
    As we have come to these losties, we know them not to be purely bad or even hardened criminals. Even on the island Kate (convicted killer) and Sawyer (con-man) have shown they have plenty of heart. They made some bad choices that steered them in the predicaments we know them to be in. In the FS world, we now see that at some point, Sawyer made a different choice and chose to be a cop. But has he really changed into a better man? That’s debatable as he still is looking to exact revenge on his parents’ con-man.
    In Ben’s case, not being on the island (and becoming a hardened power crazy lunatic) has helped him make a choice that was not all about himself when he helped Alex and hurt his chance at the Principal position.
    At some point, when these 2 worlds intersect, I will agree with you that there will be some memory of island time. For now though, there is none, because there never was. Amen (inspired by the biblical stories above)[/quote]
    ****************
    This will have to be one of those agree to disagree. I think that the FS events are happening AFTER the other events. I do believe that what we have seen has really happened in their lives. They do land safely in the FS story but I don’t think it means they didn’t crash the first time.
    I just can’t decide if the incident happening is what causes this FS or if another event that we have not seen yet is going to be the catalyst to our new events.
    It would almost make sense that it was what occured in 1977 since their lives have been so different since that time.[/quote]

    Sawyer and Widmore
    Sawyer and MIB
    or
    MIB and Widmore

    but, in either way you look at, the allegiance is crap, because each one is looking out for themselves. (I assume with Widmore…)

    Widmores brief appearance proves to me that he and MIB come from the same school. They both have that ability to be convincingly drastic or gentle when it suits them. Sawyer on the other hand, is a great con-man, but no where near as experienced as either. (Hence the twenty times he was told to stop lying in this ep…)

    Will have to get more info before I decide what I really think Widmores up to… but heres my money prediction…

    One of these three (which?) is gonna freak out and blow up the sub… “WHERES THE SUBMARINE!?”[/quote]

    Not another blown up sub![/quote]

    He thought about busting Kate in the elevator. He tried to ask airport security what was going on and they blew him off so he said something like well I can’t help if I don’t know what you’re looking for.[/quote]

    If he’s a cop it really should have been his duty to bust her right then and there no matter what the security guards were talking about. Being a cop to it.[/quote]

    Then again, it may be that something just didn’t “feel” right about busting her, like he knew her before or something, in the same way Jack had a weird feeling about his appendix..?[/quote][/quote]

    ya. gut.

  114. Jaime says:

    So i’m assuming that FS Miles was born on the island. Based on that, maybe he got his powers from the electromagnitism as a baby???

  115. Amber says:

    my fav. book of all time is The Stand by Stephen King. The two side thing good and evil reminded me of that in this ep.

  116. HollyP says:

    Thank you to the sharp-eye person who saw A Wrinkle In Time.

    This is from the Wikipedia entry for the book, and may be a key to the answers…

    “There the “Mrs. Ws” reveal to the children that the universe is under attack from an evil being who appears as a large dark cloud called The Black Thing. Seeing the Black Thing even from a distance is disturbing to Meg. While working on a secret government project to achieve faster-than-light travel by tesseract, Meg’s father was accidentally trapped on Camazotz, an alien planet dominated by the Black Thing. The children are then taken elsewhere to visit a woman who is a kind of medium (the “Happy Medium”) with a crystal ball. In it, they see that Earth is partially covered by the darkness, although great religious figures, philosophers, and artists have been fighting against it. Mrs.Whatsit is revealed to be a former star who exploded in an act of self-sacrifice to fight the darkness.”

    It has been more decades than I care to admit to since I first read A Wrinkle In Time, so I didn’t recall much of it. A subsequent book about Meg, Calvin & Charles Wallace I do recall quite clearly: A Swiftly Tilting Planet. In that book, Charles Wallace moves through time to gently change the outcome of history through tiny nudges. It seems very Jacob’s-touch in manner.

  117. HollyP says:

    Holy moly… reading more about the other books in the series is like watching sections of Lost. Read this from a Wind in the Door wiki:

    Meg learns that the galaxy is threatened by beings called Echthroi, who seek to erase the entire universe by un-Naming things. She soon has to save Mr. Jenkins from this fate, by Naming him. ***Part of the task is to distinguish the real Mr. Jenkins from two Echthroi doubles, but it also means that she must look past her personal grudge, find the goodness in Mr. Jenkins, and let herself love him.***

    Ilana and Ben in Dr. Linus, anyone?

  118. HollyP says:

    This is from the wiki entry about Many Waters, the book about Meg & Charles Wallace’s “ordinary” brothers Sandy and Dennys:

    Author Donald R. Hettinga notes that the world of Noah’s oasis is especially difficult for “the empirically minded twins” to accept because in L’Engle’s theology of “a gradual Fall”, it is still populated by manticores and unicorns, “everyone can still see angels,” and some people “can still converse intimately with God.” [1] Similarities to the fantasy-science fiction works of C. S. Lewis, always present in L’Engle’s oeuvre, are particularly notable here. The twins’ difficulty in believing in things that exist outside their empiricist world is a trait they must overcome in the story, because it is only by believing in a “virtual unicorn” that they can obtain transportation back to their everyday world.[1]

    This sounds a great deal like Jack, Man of Science.

  119. Kathy P says:

    I was thinking about the time Widmore helped Locke after he broke his leg and turned the wheel. Widmore brought in a special doctor to help Locke. I wonder if he had this doctor implant a tracking device into Locke’s leg so he could find the island?

  120. Amber says:

    this is silly but maybe Flockes mom was crazy and now he is crazy and has multiple personalitys lol he is MIB and Jacbo.

  121. wallyp says:

    [quote comment="372377"][quote comment="372374"][quote comment="372365"][/quote]

    In the FS world as we are currently seeing our losties, they did not have “island time” to remember because they never crashed on the island…

    …I will agree with you that there will be some memory of island time. For now though, there is none, because there never was. Amen (inspired by the biblical stories above)[/quote]
    IMO, even though you are saying it never happened there is a problem. The event that made it ‘never happen’ was done by the folks that made it ‘never happen’. Therefore it DID happen, then through TT is was ‘changed’.

    Amen. ;)[/quote]

    SO… do you think that Widmore in FS still remembers Locke from 1954?

  122. perryrants says:

    lost geeks: when locke’s group was walking we saw kids (how were they born?). one with the teddy bear… weren’t they “seen” by losties in an earlier season? I kinda remember feet thru the jungle.

  123. JcK says:

    [quote comment="372405"]lost geeks: when locke’s group was walking we saw kids (how were they born?). one with the teddy bear… weren’t they “seen” by losties in an earlier season? I kinda remember feet thru the jungle.[/quote]

    They were abducted from the group of 815 survivors from the tail section (ana lucia’s group)

  124. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="372404"][quote comment="372377"][quote comment="372374"][quote comment="372365"][/quote]

    In the FS world as we are currently seeing our losties, they did not have “island time” to remember because they never crashed on the island…

    …I will agree with you that there will be some memory of island time. For now though, there is none, because there never was. Amen (inspired by the biblical stories above)[/quote]
    IMO, even though you are saying it never happened there is a problem. The event that made it ‘never happen’ was done by the folks that made it ‘never happen’. Therefore it DID happen, then through TT is was ‘changed’.

    Amen. ;)[/quote]

    SO… do you think that Widmore in FS still remembers Locke from 1954?[/quote]
    ________________________________________
    I do. And I think the FS Rog Linus remarks are a clue that things are still all about the island in the FS. I believe we will see Widmore, Eloise and Daniel in the FS and there will be a FS plan to get back to the island with FS Locke. Yea!

  125. rebls says:

    I am very confused about WHEN we are in the Lost timeline. Can anyone help??

    I started to think about this when I was trying to figure out how the children that were kidnapped by the Others became Temple People? Were the Temple people always around? Are we just at a place in time when there are no others? Or are they the same? Before Dharma? After Dharma? Is it 3 years after the incident? Wouldn’t there be a hatch? Are we in the present? Are there still separate Others?

    My head is spinning! Does anyone get where everyone fits into the puzzle? Please help!

  126. curiousone says:

    [quote comment="372304"]FLocke tried to take Kate’s hand to help her up and she refused. He also tried to shake Sawyer’s to make the deal. Might be significant. We still don’t know much about the infection.[/quote]

    Interesting. I wasn’t thinking of it from that direction–let’s shake on it and then your mine ha, ha, ha . .

  127. Jaime says:

    [quote comment="372408"]I am very confused about WHEN we are in the Lost timeline. Can anyone help??

    I started to think about this when I was trying to figure out how the children that were kidnapped by the Others became Temple People? Were the Temple people always around? Are we just at a place in time when there are no others? Or are they the same? Before Dharma? After Dharma? Is it 3 years after the incident? Wouldn’t there be a hatch? Are we in the present? Are there still separate Others?

    My head is spinning! Does anyone get where everyone fits into the puzzle? Please help![/quote]
    *********************************************

    Here is the TIMELINE from LP…..may help

    http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline

  128. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="372324"]Could the FSW we see be a result of Jacob’s touch not a result of the incident? Could Jacob have gone back in time and then touched them and then these are the decisions they made after the touch? Has anyone else wondered that or know what I am trying to say but maybe can say it more clearly than I am sounding?

    Widmore never said why he was there or who was coming for – he had a weird look after Sawyer laid out the plan, like maybe he was on MIB side is what I thought.

    I fully expected Ana Lucia to show up for the date or maybe be Miles’ girlfriend.[/quote]
    I’d been wondering that myself. The touch created the new timeline for each of them somehow. Havn’t worked out the details.

    I went straight to Charlotte when Miles mentioned a blind date. Don’t know why.

  129. mal says:

    [quote comment="372304"]
    FLocke tried to take Kate’s hand to help her up and she refused. He also tried to shake Sawyer’s to make the deal. Might be significant. We still don’t know much about the infection.
    [/quote]

    this is hhhhhhuuuuggggggeeeeeee!!!!!!!

    touched by jacob
    —— erased by ——
    touched by mib

  130. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="372349"]part of me wants Locke’s mom (Emily) to be Ben’s mom Emily. This would make Locke’s mom about 25 when she had Ben. Anything’s possible with this show. But it was around the time when Ben took Locke to Jacob’s cabin. I forget the dialogue, but it made me think they could be half-brothers.
    I think that siblings/twins/brothers are definitely significant on this show given all of the twin/brother references they’re throwing at us. If Jacob and MIB are related, I have a hunch their replacements will be. And with all of the FSW people being in the same city, there’s more of a likelihood of half-siblings.[/quote]
    Bens mother died in child birth and we saw Lockes mother when she found him at the toy store.

  131. ninny says:

    [quote comment="372340"][quote comment="372295"]Books on Sawyers dresser Watership Down, A Wrinkle In Time and Lancelot[/quote]
    _________________________
    A Wrinkle in Time features a character named Charles Wallace, a boy with extraordinary abilities. Hmmm…[/quote]

    It also has a character that is extremely evil and can control people

  132. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="372394"]When Widmore and Sawyer meet I did think it was interesting that Sawyer did not shake hands with Flocke, but he did with Widmore.
    What I took from their exchange was I don’t trust you anymore than you trust me. So I think Widmore will be prepared. Sawyer was really only trying to protect himself and whoever else will be in his boat. Will be interesting to see who is in his boat.[/quote]
    Whoever was shooting at them during the donkey wheele time travel.

  133. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="372397"]So i’m assuming that FS Miles was born on the island. Based on that, maybe he got his powers from the electromagnitism as a baby???[/quote]
    We don’t know if the FS Miles has any powers but we do know that his father, Pierre Chang, now works in a museum with Charlotte. If he was born on the island his father left with them just as Ben’s dad did.

  134. Jaime says:

    [quote comment="372418"][quote comment="372397"]So i’m assuming that FS Miles was born on the island. Based on that, maybe he got his powers from the electromagnitism as a baby???[/quote]
    We don’t know if the FS Miles has any powers but we do know that his father, Pierre Chang, now works in a museum with Charlotte. If he was born on the island his father left with them just as Ben’s dad did.[/quote]
    *******************************************

    True to all of that. My assumptions were that he was born on the island and maybe thats where he got his powers.

  135. Terse says:

    All three books on Sawyers desk have a resurrection component – Watership Down has a rabbit ascending, Lancelot has Merlin, buried in a cave where he would supposedly wake in a thousand years. Wrinkle in Time has the father trapped in some sort of other dimension and his son Wallace has to save him. It makes me wonder if the statue isn’t some sort of burial pyramid or something and that Jacob and MIB woke up in it.

    Or maybe they are just characteristic of Sawyer’s tendency to dwell on the time when his parents died – all three books could be favorite books of a 9 year old.

  136. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="372333"]So here’s my new theory. In this world – Anthony Cooper repented sometime after the death of Ford’s parents – and before the kidney incident…thus explaining John L being in good standing with dear old Dad.[/quote]

    Or Cooper didn’t NEED a kidney in the FSW.

    : ) P

  137. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="372342"]Have we heard the name Zoe before this episode? Is she simply a new character?[/quote]

    Nope. Yep.

    : ) P

  138. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="372374"]
    In the FS world as we are currently seeing our losties, they did not have “island time” to remember because they never crashed on the island. [/quote]

    Well, except that if they didn’t go to the island, they didn’t time travel, which means they didn’t detonate Jughead in 1977, which means that they didn’t “reset” time, which means they would have crashed.

    : ) P

  139. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="372396"][quote comment="372368"][quote comment="372357"][quote comment="372339"][quote comment="372337"][quote comment="372336"][quote comment="372332"][/quote]
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    [quote comment="372360"][quote comment="372358"][quote comment="372321"][quote comment="372302"][/quote]

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    [quote comment="372393"][quote comment="372374"][quote comment="372365"][/quote]
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    [/quote]
    [/quote][/quote]

    [/quote]

    Seriously? SEVENTEEN prior quotes? I really believe that someone is doing this just to mess with me! LOL

    Most computers have this radical new feature which allows you to control what you type! It is call the DELETE button! *g*

    On a serious note, it really is impossible to read what someone writes if they are using the “quote & reply” feature with more than about two prior quotes. So if you want someone to read and reply (other than about how to use the delete button), please try to trim your posts.

    : ) P

  140. PJSander says:

    See? Even with me trimming everything but the names of the people that were quoted (in post 113), it still gets all wonky.

    : ) P

  141. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="372415"]
    Bens mother died in child birth and we saw Lockes mother when she found him at the toy store.[/quote]

    We saw the person that claimed she was Locke’s mother at the toy store. She and the private investigator that “found” her could have been paid off by Cooper.

    : ) P

  142. wizrednat says:

    This is clearly a game of some sort. If you remember… the boy appeared and told Flocke that “you know the rules, you cant kill Sawyer”. So there are clearly rules that have to be followed. Flocke does not want to leave the island but rather rid it of all non-believers. Where else could he exist except the island?

  143. C.RELLA says:

    [quote comment="372347"][quote comment="372316"][quote comment="372310"]Why did MIB send Sawyer to Hydra? test?

    If Sawyer is a cop in FS why didnt he bust Kate in the elevator at the airport?[/quote]

    He thought about busting Kate in the elevator. He tried to ask airport security what was going on and they blew him off so he said something like well I can’t help if I don’t know what you’re looking for.[/quote]

    If he’s a cop it really should have been his duty to bust her right then and there no matter what the security guards were talking about. Being a cop didn’t fit much with his character coming off that elevator, but it also doesn’t fit with going to Australia to kill someone.

    I really want to hear some theories about Locke’s mom. Was he talking about Locke’s mom or Smokey’s mom? Are there any Biblical scholars who know about crazy parents… maybe Esau’s mom? Is his mom the same as Jacob’s mom? I feel like we’ve had this discussion in the past, but maybe we should get back to it.[/quote]
    Esau and Jacob were the first twins ever. They were born to Issac and Rebekah. God told her the sons would grow up to own nations. The older would serve the younger. They are said to have always had a power struggle even in the womb. Esau was born first and Jacob is claimed to have been born holding onto Esau’s heel.

  144. wizrednat says:

    I think the fight between Claire and Kate was staged by Flocke. Sawyer and Kate are two Candidates that havent chosen a side yet. I think this was an attempt to convince Kate that he would protect her. That’s the reason for the the walk and the “i have mommy issues too”.

  145. ninny says:

    [quote comment="372428"]This is clearly a game of some sort. If you remember… the boy appeared and told Flocke that “you know the rules, you cant kill Sawyer”. So there are clearly rules that have to be followed. Flocke does not want to leave the island but rather rid it of all non-believers. Where else could he exist except the island?[/quote]

    I think he said “you can’t kill him” not specifically Sawyer – could mean someone else? Richard?

  146. wizrednat says:

    True. But I think that it suggests that there are higher powers than Jacob and Flocke.

  147. Miss lost says:

    [quote comment="372432"]True. But I think that it suggests that there are higher powers than Jacob and Flocke.[/quote]

    ***********
    My guess would be the island or whoever brought them to the island.

    I don’t think Flocke is trying to rid the island of non believers…but I think he trying to run the show now…play by his own rules…

  148. Bobola says:

    What’s up with the Conceptual Art here
    (the elongation of comments)?

    Anyhew;
    Great Episode AGAIN…
    But…
    and for those who hate my carping….skip ahead.

    Two things bug me like crazy;
    I hate it when an Actress in Bed takes the sheets and tries to hide her breasts in a scene where she’s in bed with a guy who has just had them plastered all over his face close up…yeah, I get it that big Stars and Censors won’t allow the nipple to shock us Puritans (yet showing violence, blah blah…is fine)
    —but figure some sort of way to direct the ladies so this is not so apparent. Put pasties on her and shoot from behind…have her wear a bra…anything! It takes me right out of a scene when I see this. Who’s she hiding those tits from? The CAMERA, not the guy.
    And this episode had TWO such scenes.
    Poor Direction, to me. And it happens all the time in films as well.

    Secondly;
    TWICE this episode Kate handles the rifle in very sloppy ways. In the past she has shown herself to be VERY handy with guns. The FIRST thing anyone learns is not to lay the gun down in a casual manner so that someone would get their ass shot…of course it happens ALL THE TIME in real life by dummies…but Kate is better than that! You don’t lay a rifle on a log where the barrel is pointed RIGHT at other people. And on an Island where a gun wound could easily go from slight wound to fatal…it’s just dumb.
    POOR direction again.
    Where the hell are the on site advisors?
    They are getting millions per episode and yet there’s this Mickey Mouse stuff.

    Ok, nuff said.
    LOST people; hire me to call you on this sort of shit. I can leave for Hawaii next week. I’ll need a place that I can keep my cat too. Fire the MF’s you got now cause I have an Eagle Eye for hire.

    Anyone else notice that Flocke has man tits this episode? Is he gonna need a sheet round those if he has a bed scene?
    Maybe Smokey is a girl?

    And now we know;
    Sayid digs Cat Fights. How do you say in Arabic; Girls will be girls?

    Things are a-gonna blow up in Sawyer’s face; I can just feel it. That grin is just a sin; too smart for his own good. (Like me.)

  149. wizrednat says:

    [quote comment="372392"][quote comment="372371"]I found myself confused during last night’s episode as to how all the allegiances sorted out. Namely, Widmore found Locke in Tunisia and was willing to do anything to get him back to the the island, which, would make it seem as though he was on the side of Smokey.

    Now he’s back with the intention of killing Smokey…so when he helped Locke recruit the other O6 to get back to the island, was he operating under false impressions or what?

    I assume all this will shake out in the end, but the whole “who is on who’s side?” questions is complicated for me.[/quote]

    Widmore was willing to do anything to get LOCKE back on the island. That plan failed when Ben killed Locke. I think MIB is using Locke’s body because it’s convenient. It’s just the current host for his evil soul.

    After the scene on the sub, we are assuming that Widmore wants to kill MIB/Locke, but he never said that directly. (Not that he would — this is LOST, after all.)

    It certainly does seem as though Widmore is erecting the security sonar to keep MIB away from the sub.

    (BTW, where did all that steel come from to build that huge sonar tower? They haven’t had enough time on the island to have built it there. And the sub is big, but not that big.)[/quote]
    I agree. I think that everyone is assuming Flocke is the bad guy. If Flocke is black smoke than Jacob has to be something else also. Maybe the towers are to keep that out. Widmore was kicked off of the island by Ben under the assumed orders of Jacob so why would he be on his side now? Widmore told the real Locke about Eloise who convinced Jack to bring the dead body of Locke back to the island? MIB didnt need Lockes body he was already occupying Jacks fathers body. If you remember it was Jacks father who called Claire into the woods when she disappeared.

  150. Murphey says:

    [quote comment="372435"][quote comment="372392"][quote comment="372371"]I found myself confused during last night’s episode as to how all the allegiances sorted out. Namely, Widmore found Locke in Tunisia and was willing to do anything to get him back to the the island, which, would make it seem as though he was on the side of Smokey.

    Now he’s back with the intention of killing Smokey…so when he helped Locke recruit the other O6 to get back to the island, was he operating under false impressions or what?

    I assume all this will shake out in the end, but the whole “who is on who’s side?” questions is complicated for me.[/quote]

    Widmore was willing to do anything to get LOCKE back on the island. That plan failed when Ben killed Locke. I think MIB is using Locke’s body because it’s convenient. It’s just the current host for his evil soul.

    After the scene on the sub, we are assuming that Widmore wants to kill MIB/Locke, but he never said that directly. (Not that he would — this is LOST, after all.)

    It certainly does seem as though Widmore is erecting the security sonar to keep MIB away from the sub.

    (BTW, where did all that steel come from to build that huge sonar tower? They haven’t had enough time on the island to have built it there. And the sub is big, but not that big.)[/quote]
    I agree. I think that everyone is assuming Flocke is the bad guy. If Flocke is black smoke than Jacob has to be something else also. Maybe the towers are to keep that out. Widmore was kicked off of the island by Ben under the assumed orders of Jacob so why would he be on his side now? Widmore told the real Locke about Eloise who convinced Jack to bring the dead body of Locke back to the island? MIB didnt need Lockes body he was already occupying Jacks fathers body. If you remember it was Jacks father who called Claire into the woods when she disappeared.[/quote]

    Except MIB did need Locke’s body for the loop hole. He needed to convince Ben to kill Jacob. Ben might not have trusted/listened to FChristian and only the leader of the Others can see Jacob. MIB black told Jacob he went through a lot to set up the loop hole, presumably making Locke leader of the Others and having him killed and the body brought back to the island.

  151. wizrednat says:

    [quote comment="372436"][quote comment="372435"][quote comment="372392"][quote comment="372371"]I found myself confused during last night’s episode as to how all the allegiances sorted out. Namely, Widmore found Locke in Tunisia and was willing to do anything to get him back to the the island, which, would make it seem as though he was on the side of Smokey.

    Now he’s back with the intention of killing Smokey…so when he helped Locke recruit the other O6 to get back to the island, was he operating under false impressions or what?

    I assume all this will shake out in the end, but the whole “who is on who’s side?” questions is complicated for me.[/quote]

    Widmore was willing to do anything to get LOCKE back on the island. That plan failed when Ben killed Locke. I think MIB is using Locke’s body because it’s convenient. It’s just the current host for his evil soul.

    After the scene on the sub, we are assuming that Widmore wants to kill MIB/Locke, but he never said that directly. (Not that he would — this is LOST, after all.)

    It certainly does seem as though Widmore is erecting the security sonar to keep MIB away from the sub.

    (BTW, where did all that steel come from to build that huge sonar tower? They haven’t had enough time on the island to have built it there. And the sub is big, but not that big.)[/quote]
    I agree. I think that everyone is assuming Flocke is the bad guy. If Flocke is black smoke than Jacob has to be something else also. Maybe the towers are to keep that out. Widmore was kicked off of the island by Ben under the assumed orders of Jacob so why would he be on his side now? Widmore told the real Locke about Eloise who convinced Jack to bring the dead body of Locke back to the island? MIB didnt need Lockes body he was already occupying Jacks fathers body. If you remember it was Jacks father who called Claire into the woods when she disappeared.[/quote]

    Except MIB did need Locke’s body for the loop hole. He needed to convince Ben to kill Jacob. Ben might not have trusted/listened to FChristian and only the leader of the Others can see Jacob. MIB black told Jacob he went through a lot to set up the loop hole, presumably making Locke leader of the Others and having him killed and the body brought back to the island.[/quote]
    Exactly my point. If thats the only reason he needed Locke’s body… then maybe Eloise and Widmore are on MIB’s side. Ben did not know who Eloise was and he was w/ Jacob at the time.

    And since Jacob knows everything and we have to assume choose the exact moment to touch every candidate… he choose to touch Sayid at the exact moment that would kill his wife. not very nice.

  152. rowjimmy says:

    Amen Bobola Violence on TV doesn’t bug us but Janet Jackson’s nipple causes a national outrage !
    Back to the big show
    You all are misunderstanding Widmore, he wants to have ultimate control of the Island Ben told us so.He needs both Jacob&MIB dead and gone to do so. One down one to go is the way he see’s it.Flocke said it’s kill or be killed
    Sawyer is going to end up on Widmore’s side of this fight he shook hands with the man,in his world that means alot. Sawyer is after all is said and done a just a good old southern boy who wants to go home now.
    Also Watership Down mirrors our group of Losties story alot.Rabbits eveywhere
    Wrinkle in Time has been noted previously.Lancelot also this is from Wiki:
    Lancelot is a 1977 novel by the American author Walker Percy. It tells the story of the dejected lawyer Lancelot Lamar, who murders his wife after discovering that he is not the father of her youngest daughter. He ends up in a mental institution, where his story is told through his reflections on his disturbing past. The novel compares the protagonist unfavorably to his namesake, Sir Lancelot, as he experiences a vision of an empty modern American culture which invokes the symbolism of the mythical Wasteland.[1] Lamar’s quest to expose this moral emptiness is a transposition of the quest for the Holy Grail; as he witnesses and records the increasing moral depravity of his wife and daughter during the filming of a Hollywood movie, he becomes obsessed with and corrupted by the immorality he seeks to condemn. The novel is replete with Arthurian references and references, including characters based on Merlin and Percival.

  153. rowjimmy says:

    I didn’t mean to scare you all away with the literary references.Check it out they all fit.

    Christian=Jacob

  154. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="372435"]
    I agree. I think that everyone is assuming Flocke is the bad guy. If Flocke is black smoke than Jacob has to be something else also. Maybe the towers are to keep that out. Widmore was kicked off of the island by Ben under the assumed orders of Jacob so why would he be on his side now? Widmore told the real Locke about Eloise who convinced Jack to bring the dead body of Locke back to the island? MIB didnt need Lockes body he was already occupying Jacks fathers body. If you remember it was Jacks father who called Claire into the woods when she disappeared.[/quote]

    I’m not sure if MIB was Christian. Claire said that her father AND her friend told her the others had Aaron. Rowjimmy said Christian=Jacob. I could possibly buy that.

  155. LunarLast says:

    Christian=FLocke
    Last season, he met Sun and Lapidus and told them to wait at Ben’s old house for Locke to show up. He then went to the other island got into Locke body and took the canoe back with Ben, where he started working on him towards his plan of going to see (kill) Jacob. Manifesting himself as Alex in the temple to pacify Ben once and for all.

    So Jakob sent Ben (originally he asked Locke to go) back to get the survivors who left (the 4 of his candidates who jumped out of the Ajira flight into the past). I think the “loophole” is MIB getting his hands on a candidate’s body who died off the island yet somehow made it back.

    Part of the rules is that MIB couldn’t touch Jack (as a candidate) but he could manipulate his dad’s dead body and his half sister, Claire.

    A real puzzle to me is how come Michael would never die off the island yet Locke could!

  156. wizrednat says:

    [quote comment="372441"][quote comment="372435"]
    I agree. I think that everyone is assuming Flocke is the bad guy. If Flocke is black smoke than Jacob has to be something else also. Maybe the towers are to keep that out. Widmore was kicked off of the island by Ben under the assumed orders of Jacob so why would he be on his side now? Widmore told the real Locke about Eloise who convinced Jack to bring the dead body of Locke back to the island? MIB didnt need Lockes body he was already occupying Jacks fathers body. If you remember it was Jacks father who called Claire into the woods when she disappeared.[/quote]

    I’m not sure if MIB was Christian. Claire said that her father AND her friend told her the others had Aaron. Rowjimmy said Christian=Jacob. I could possibly buy that.[/quote]
    It’s possible but my only problem w/ that theory is that it seems as though MIB only needs a body because he’s “trapped” as he calls it. I see no evidence that Jacob is trapped as we’ve seen him off of the island several times. And they’ve also made it clear that someone was pretending to be Jacob in that small house for a long time.

  157. Hammer says:

    My most current thinking:

    The thing with Jacob/Esau is that the writers are using them as a ‘similar’ reference, not exact. Just like the rest of their references. I don’t think MIB’s name is Easu and I don’t think they are the real Jacob/Esau so Rebbekah doesn’t need to be ‘crazy’ in the bible story.

    I do think we are to speculate that they are brothers, maybe even twins, and that one is favored(Jacob) and the other(MIB) has issues based on this.

  158. Bacon Is My Constant says:

    [quote comment="372415"][quote comment="372349"]part of me wants Locke’s mom (Emily) to be Ben’s mom Emily. This would make Locke’s mom about 25 when she had Ben. Anything’s possible with this show. But it was around the time when Ben took Locke to Jacob’s cabin. I forget the dialogue, but it made me think they could be half-brothers.
    I think that siblings/twins/brothers are definitely significant on this show given all of the twin/brother references they’re throwing at us. If Jacob and MIB are related, I have a hunch their replacements will be. And with all of the FSW people being in the same city, there’s more of a likelihood of half-siblings.[/quote]
    Bens mother died in child birth and we saw Lockes mother when she found him at the toy store.[/quote]

    we don’t KNOW that it was his biological mother in the toy store; we DO know that she was paid by Anthony Cooper…whom we ALSO do know if Locke is biologically related to.
    I know there’s a slim chance that they’re related, but it’s possible. What I’m more certain of, and it’s still just based on a hunch, is that we do not know for certain who Locke’s biological parents are (as adults). The fact is that Cooper is a conman who paid a redheaded lady because he wanted a kidney.

  159. Bacon Is My Constant says:

    LunarLast…I think Michael couldn’t die off the island because he was trying to kill himself. Locke was murdered; maybe Michael could’ve died if someone ELSE pulled the trigger?
    But I can also believe that the island wasn’t done with him; that he had work to do.

  160. Miraks says:

    1. I don’t think Ben’s mom Emily and Locke’s mom Emily are one and the same. We saw Locke’s mom when she had him and we saw Ben’s mom when she had him, and they did not look alike to me. As far as Anthony Cooper being Locke’s real dad- we don’t know that for sure, but it would be pretty strange for a guy who needs a kidney to just randomly con someone.

    2. I do believ that MIB=Christian=Locke, but does not = Alex. I think MIB can only “posess” the bodies of people that die off the island. Maybe that’s the loophole? How many dead bodies arrive on the island? Maybe that is a “secondary” loophole in the FSW? Christain’s body missing again?

    3. When Sawyer was presented with Anthony Cooper on the island, he killed him. I see this coming: Sawyer tracks Anthony down in the FSW. Goes to see him. Walks in on Locke’s wedding. It will come down to him killing Anthony like he did on the island, OR forgiving/ moving on…

  161. Bacon Is My Constant says:

    I’m curious how FSW Locke ended up in the wheel chair.

  162. Seajam says:

    Real Locks was preparing to kill himself when Ben walked in on him. He was prepared to die knowing that he would need to because Richard told him he would have to because FLocke told Richard to tell Locke that he would have to. (Got all that!!) I don’t know what all that means story wise but we seem to forget that while Ben did murder real Locke, real Locke was already prepared to do it himself.

  163. Miraks says:

    [quote comment="372450"]Real Locks was preparing to kill himself when Ben walked in on him. He was prepared to die knowing that he would need to because Richard told him he would have to because FLocke told Richard to tell Locke that he would have to. (Got all that!!) I don’t know what all that means story wise but we seem to forget that while Ben did murder real Locke, real Locke was already prepared to do it himself.[/quote]

    Yeah, but would he have been able to do it? Maybe he would have been unable to just like Michael. Maybe Ben NEEDED to kill him.

  164. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="372451"][quote comment="372450"]Real Locks was preparing to kill himself when Ben walked in on him. He was prepared to die knowing that he would need to because Richard told him he would have to because FLocke told Richard to tell Locke that he would have to. (Got all that!!) I don’t know what all that means story wise but we seem to forget that while Ben did murder real Locke, real Locke was already prepared to do it himself.[/quote]

    Yeah, but would he have been able to do it? Maybe he would have been unable to just like Michael. Maybe Ben NEEDED to kill him.[/quote]

    I agree with Miraks…

  165. Debbie says:

    I think Jacob could only be killed by someone who loved him unconditionally.

  166. wizrednat says:

    [quote comment="372451"][quote comment="372450"]Real Locks was preparing to kill himself when Ben walked in on him. He was prepared to die knowing that he would need to because Richard told him he would have to because FLocke told Richard to tell Locke that he would have to. (Got all that!!) I don’t know what all that means story wise but we seem to forget that while Ben did murder real Locke, real Locke was already prepared to do it himself.[/quote]

    Yeah, but would he have been able to do it? Maybe he would have been unable to just like Michael. Maybe Ben NEEDED to kill him.[/quote]
    I dont think Locke would have been able to kill himself just like Michael. Locke was only able to die after he served his purpose… which I believe was telling Ben about Eloise who Ben knew nothing about. Yes Richard told him he had to die but he did not say how. MIB knew Ben would kill Locke. He then knew that by taking Locke’s body and initially making it look like the island brought Locke back to life that Ben would respect Locke and do anything he said from that point on… hince killing Jacob.

  167. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="372453"]I think Jacob could only be killed by someone who loved him unconditionally.[/quote]
    Isn’t that impossible? Not to mention, Ben had a huge condition:

    BEN: Oh… so now, after all this time, you’ve decided to stop ignoring me. Thirty-five years I lived on this island, and all I ever heard was your name over and over. Richard would bring me your instructions–all those slips of paper, all those lists–and I never questioned anything. I did as I was told. But when I dared to ask to see you myself, I was told, “You have to wait. You have to be patient.” But when he asked to see you? He gets marched straight up here as if was Moses. So… why him? Hmm? What was it that was so wrong with me? What about me?!

  168. wizrednat says:

    [quote comment="372455"][quote comment="372453"]I think Jacob could only be killed by someone who loved him unconditionally.[/quote]
    Isn’t that impossible? Not to mention, Ben had a huge condition:

    BEN: Oh… so now, after all this time, you’ve decided to stop ignoring me. Thirty-five years I lived on this island, and all I ever heard was your name over and over. Richard would bring me your instructions–all those slips of paper, all those lists–and I never questioned anything. I did as I was told. But when I dared to ask to see you myself, I was told, “You have to wait. You have to be patient.” But when he asked to see you? He gets marched straight up here as if was Moses. So… why him? Hmm? What was it that was so wrong with me? What about me?![/quote]
    I think that’s possible. However, it suggests that there are different rules for Jacob and MIB. Dogen told Sayid that he had to to stab FLocke in the heart before he spoke in order to kill him. Sayid didn’t love Flocke and Jacob spoke several words before he was killed. The one thing in common was that both Sayid and Ben were given a special dagger. Also, you can’t forget that Miles told Ben that Jacobs last words/thoughts were “he hopes he wasnt wrong about Ben”. You have to take that to mean that he knew Ben would kill him, yet he hoped that he would still make the right choices afterwards. And as we have seen Ben had two chances to join Flocke and yet even after killing Jacob, he hasnt.

  169. MILK says:

    Miraks wrote:

    Seajam wrote:

    Real Locks was preparing to kill himself when Ben walked in on him. He was prepared to die knowing that he would need to because Richard told him he would have to because FLocke told Richard to tell Locke that he would have to. (Got all that!!) I don’t know what all that means story wise but we seem to forget that while Ben did murder real Locke, real Locke was already prepared to do it himself.

    Yeah, but would he have been able to do it? Maybe he would have been unable to just like Michael. Maybe Ben NEEDED to kill him.

    I dont think Locke would have been able to kill himself just like Michael. Locke was only able to die after he served his purpose… which I believe was telling Ben about Eloise who Ben knew nothing about. Yes Richard told him he had to die but he did not say how. MIB knew Ben would kill Locke. He then knew that by taking Locke’s body and initially making it look like the island brought Locke back to life that Ben would respect Locke and do anything he said from that point on… hince killing Jacob.

    I was also thinking about this “loophole”. Locke was a candidate that was touched by Jacob, which evidently means he couldn’t kill himself. (That is a great point about Ben needing to kill him). But I don’t think Christian was a candidate, just a body MIB could use to manipulate people. The “loophole” is that a dead body of a candidate has to come to the island. That may also be why MIB can’t use another body.

  170. MILK says:

    Sorry the way that came out. Its my first comment. I don’t know how you format when you are commenting on past comments.

  171. wizrednat says:

    [quote comment="372459"]Sorry the way that came out. Its my first comment. I don’t know how you format when you are commenting on past comments.[/quote]
    I think there are a couple of things that have to happen in this “loophole”. First, you have to be a candidate that died off of the island. 2nd you have to have been a Leader of the Others. Ben and Locke have both been the Leader of the Others. Widmore has also been the Leader of the Others. However, he has been kicked off. And as we have seen in the last episode he cant even come to the island yet. He had to set up shop at a near by island.

  172. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="372459"]Sorry the way that came out. Its my first comment. I don’t know how you format when you are commenting on past comments.[/quote]

    Just click on the “Quote and reply” feature on the comment you want to reply to, then type your reply at the bottom. If you are quoting a post that is already a quoted post, you can cut out some or all of the prior posts.

    HTH,
    : ) P

  173. MILK says:

    [quote comment="372461"][quote comment="372459"]Sorry the way that came out. Its my first comment. I don’t know how you format when you are commenting on past comments.[/quote]

    Just click on the “Quote and reply” feature on the comment you want to reply to, then type your reply at the bottom. If you are quoting a post that is already a quoted post, you can cut out some or all of the prior posts.

    HTH,
    : ) P[/quote]
    Thanks, that is helpful.

  174. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="372462"]
    Thanks, that is helpful.[/quote]

    You did it!

    : ) P

  175. LunarLast says:

    Jacob realized that MIB found the loophole the moment he saw him in Locke’s body with Ben at his side. The loophole is the ability to turn a potential candidate against him. Jacob could have rendered himself invisible to Ben (who had never really seen him before that day) but he either couldn’t due to the presence of MIB or wouldn’t because he was hoping that MIB hadn’t really poisoned Ben (Miles’ words).

    The only living persons that we know off, who know what Jacob really looks like, are Hurley, Llana and Richard. People who can actually see him, do not qualify to be candidates, hence the faith part. Jacob didn’t offer Hurley the job and also didn’t show himself directly to Jack. Richard, Hurley and Llana are servants of a cause.

    Curious to see how Kate stacks up. I think that Kate will be another one of those people who get to see Jacob and serve his cause.

  176. LostJunkie says:

    [quote comment="372460"][quote comment="372459"]Sorry the way that came out. Its my first comment. I don’t know how you format when you are commenting on past comments.[/quote]
    I think there are a couple of things that have to happen in this “loophole”. First, you have to be a candidate that died off of the island. 2nd you have to have been a Leader of the Others. Ben and Locke have both been the Leader of the Others. Widmore has also been the Leader of the Others. However, he has been kicked off. And as we have seen in the last episode he cant even come to the island yet. He had to set up shop at a near by island.[/quote]

    In regard to Widmore being kicked off the Island and can’t come back…I think he HAS come back. For whatever reason, he’s on Hydra. But I always viewed Hydra as part of the overall Island entity. When the Island has moved, Hydra went with it, right? It’s not like there’s magically a nearby smaller second island right near the main one every time the Island has moved.

  177. wizrednat says:

    [quote comment="372465"][quote comment="372460"][quote comment="372459"]Sorry the way that came out. Its my first comment. I don’t know how you format when you are commenting on past comments.[/quote]
    I think there are a couple of things that have to happen in this “loophole”. First, you have to be a candidate that died off of the island. 2nd you have to have been a Leader of the Others. Ben and Locke have both been the Leader of the Others. Widmore has also been the Leader of the Others. However, he has been kicked off. And as we have seen in the last episode he cant even come to the island yet. He had to set up shop at a near by island.[/quote]

    In regard to Widmore being kicked off the Island and can’t come back…I think he HAS come back. For whatever reason, he’s on Hydra. But I always viewed Hydra as part of the overall Island entity. When the Island has moved, Hydra went with it, right? It’s not like there’s magically a nearby smaller second island right near the main one every time the Island has moved.[/quote]
    I dont know if thats correct. Because when Sawyer went to the other island he saw Kates dress in the cage. If the other island moved with the main ISLAND then would the dress and cage still be there?

  178. LostJunkie says:

    I dont know if thats correct. Because when Sawyer went to the other island he saw Kates dress in the cage. If the other island moved with the main ISLAND then would the dress and cage still be there?[/quote]

    I don’t see why not. Everything on the Island would still be there, it’s just moved. In my opinion.

  179. wizrednat says:

    [quote comment="372467"]I dont know if thats correct. Because when Sawyer went to the other island he saw Kates dress in the cage. If the other island moved with the main ISLAND then would the dress and cage still be there?[/quote]

    I don’t see why not. Everything on the Island would still be there, it’s just moved. In my opinion.[/quote]
    My only problem w/ that theory is that we’ve seen just the opposite several times. Dharma: the island went back in time to where the housing for Desomond wasnt even built yet. We’ve also seen the Temple in a previous episode as just rubble/ruins. And Jack said to Hurley “i wonder why we have never seen this lighthouse before”.

  180. wizrednat says:

    [quote comment="372468"][quote comment="372467"]I dont know if thats correct. Because when Sawyer went to the other island he saw Kates dress in the cage. If the other island moved with the main ISLAND then would the dress and cage still be there?[/quote]

    I don’t see why not. Everything on the Island would still be there, it’s just moved. In my opinion.[/quote]
    My only problem w/ that theory is that we’ve seen just the opposite several times. Dharma: the island went back in time to where the housing for Desomond wasnt even built yet. We’ve also seen the Temple in a previous episode as just rubble/ruins. And Jack said to Hurley “i wonder why we have never seen this lighthouse before”.[/quote]
    And how do you explain the statue where Jacob lived. We’ve seen it in its entirety and we’ve also seen it in the exact same location but with only the feet.

  181. LostJunkie says:

    [quote comment="372469"][quote comment="372468"][quote comment="372467"]I dont know if thats correct. Because when Sawyer went to the other island he saw Kates dress in the cage. If the other island moved with the main ISLAND then would the dress and cage still be there?[/quote]

    I don’t see why not. Everything on the Island would still be there, it’s just moved. In my opinion.[/quote]
    My only problem w/ that theory is that we’ve seen just the opposite several times. Dharma: the island went back in time to where the housing for Desomond wasnt even built yet. We’ve also seen the Temple in a previous episode as just rubble/ruins. And Jack said to Hurley “i wonder why we have never seen this lighthouse before”.[/quote]
    And how do you explain the statue where Jacob lived. We’ve seen it in its entirety and we’ve also seen it in the exact same location but with only the feet.[/quote]

    Well, if they flashed to a different time on the Island, then certain things may not be there. But if Kate and Sawyer were in the cages on Hydra in 2004, and it’s now 2007, it’s not unrealistic to think that the cages and Kate’s dress could still be there.

  182. Shadow says:

    [quote comment="372377"][quote comment="372374"][quote comment="372365"][/quote]

    In the FS world as we are currently seeing our losties, they did not have “island time” to remember because they never crashed on the island…

    …I will agree with you that there will be some memory of island time. For now though, there is none, because there never was. Amen (inspired by the biblical stories above)[/quote]
    IMO, even though you are saying it never happened there is a problem. The event that made it ‘never happen’ was done by the folks that made it ‘never happen’. Therefore it DID happen, then through TT is was ‘changed’.

    Amen. ;)[/quote]

    I think that’s the best synopsis of “what happened” so far. thanks :)

  183. Murphey says:

    [quote comment="372448"]1. I don’t think Ben’s mom Emily and Locke’s mom Emily are one and the same. We saw Locke’s mom when she had him and we saw Ben’s mom when she had him, and they did not look alike to me. As far as Anthony Cooper being Locke’s real dad- we don’t know that for sure, but it would be pretty strange for a guy who needs a kidney to just randomly con someone.

    2. I do believ that MIB=Christian=Locke, but does not = Alex. I think MIB can only “posess” the bodies of people that die off the island. Maybe that’s the loophole? How many dead bodies arrive on the island? Maybe that is a “secondary” loophole in the FSW? Christain’s body missing again?

    3. When Sawyer was presented with Anthony Cooper on the island, he killed him. I see this coming: Sawyer tracks Anthony down in the FSW. Goes to see him. Walks in on Locke’s wedding. It will come down to him killing Anthony like he did on the island, OR forgiving/ moving on…[/quote]

    Regarding your point 2, you believe there is another smoke monster that became Alex and Yemi (Eko’s brother killed on the island)? Do you think it is Jacob or another entity? We know that FLocke is a smoke monster, but nothing has convinced me that there is a second. I’m curious what makes you think so. Seems to me MIB previously could become any unburied body on the island until he recently became stuck in Locke because he was a candidate or because Jacob died.

  184. wizrednat says:

    [quote comment="372464"]Jacob realized that MIB found the loophole the moment he saw him in Locke’s body with Ben at his side. The loophole is the ability to turn a potential candidate against him. Jacob could have rendered himself invisible to Ben (who had never really seen him before that day) but he either couldn’t due to the presence of MIB or wouldn’t because he was hoping that MIB hadn’t really poisoned Ben (Miles’ words).

    The only living persons that we know off, who know what Jacob really looks like, are Hurley, Llana and Richard. People who can actually see him, do not qualify to be candidates, hence the faith part. Jacob didn’t offer Hurley the job and also didn’t show himself directly to Jack. Richard, Hurley and Llana are servants of a cause.

    Curious to see how Kate stacks up. I think that Kate will be another one of those people who get to see Jacob and serve his cause.[/quote]
    I have a different take on Ben/Jacob. I think Jacob knew Ben was going to kill him and maybe even wanted him to. If you go back to when we first saw MIB and Jacob… MIB said I will find a loophole and Jacob said “and when you do I will be waiting”. I dont believe that Jacob, who seems to know all would just be sitting at home w/ no idea of whats happening. And after Ben poured his heart out to Jacob and saying “what about me”… Jacobs response was “what about you”. To me that doesn’t fit Jacobs character. It seems as though he said that to give Ben the courage to kill him.

  185. Miss lost says:

    [quote comment="372474"][quote comment="372464"]Jacob realized that MIB found the loophole the moment he saw him in Locke’s body with Ben at his side. The loophole is the ability to turn a potential candidate against him. Jacob could have rendered himself invisible to Ben (who had never really seen him before that day) but he either couldn’t due to the presence of MIB or wouldn’t because he was hoping that MIB hadn’t really poisoned Ben (Miles’ words).

    The only living persons that we know off, who know what Jacob really looks like, are Hurley, Llana and Richard. People who can actually see him, do not qualify to be candidates, hence the faith part. Jacob didn’t offer Hurley the job and also didn’t show himself directly to Jack. Richard, Hurley and Llana are servants of a cause.

    Curious to see how Kate stacks up. I think that Kate will be another one of those people who get to see Jacob and serve his cause.[/quote]
    I have a different take on Ben/Jacob. I think Jacob knew Ben was going to kill him and maybe even wanted him to. If you go back to when we first saw MIB and Jacob… MIB said I will find a loophole and Jacob said “and when you do I will be waiting”. I dont believe that Jacob, who seems to know all would just be sitting at home w/ no idea of whats happening. And after Ben poured his heart out to Jacob and saying “what about me”… Jacobs response was “what about you”. To me that doesn’t fit Jacobs character. It seems as though he said that to give Ben the courage to kill him.[/quote]
    *****************
    I also think Jacob has known for a long time that something was going to happen. He has the mirrors he had the ability to watch this plot unfold. I am not sure if he wanted to die as Miles said “he was hoping for the best right up until the time he died” but I do think he had been preparing for that outcome. He has been testing the candidates and ensuring that they were brought to the island.
    Again, I think that the entity that we are not addressing is the island. The island also has some mystical powers that they are protecting and that is why it is important to find a replacement…I think this is as important as finding a replacement to keep tabs on Flocke!

  186. Highlander says:

    This may be way off but thought I’d put it out there. What if Smokey is Aaron? Maybe when he was talking to Kate about his mom being crazy, maybe he was talking about Claire? Just because he had dark hair prior to taking Lockes form, doesn’t mean he couldn’t be a blonde as a toddler? I know it’s a crazy idea.

  187. Highlander says:

    Another thing that was weird was how nosy and mad Miles was acting towards Sawyer. They are only partners and it’s none of Miles damn business what Sawyer does outside work. I wanted to bi*ch slap him!

  188. Highlander says:

    Miss Lost, I agree with you that Jacob always knew what was going to happen and was preparing for it. He wants people to use their free will in making choices but has no problem in “nudging” them along the way. I do belive the candiates that are left are variables in the equation to stop the end of the world. And this “island” they are on is another dimension that has been chosen for the fight between good and evil. As soon as it seems that evil will prevail, the good side will win.

  189. wizrednat says:

    [quote comment="372484"][quote comment="372474"][quote comment="372464"]Jacob realized that MIB found the loophole the moment he saw him in Locke’s body with Ben at his side. The loophole is the ability to turn a potential candidate against him. Jacob could have rendered himself invisible to Ben (who had never really seen him before that day) but he either couldn’t due to the presence of MIB or wouldn’t because he was hoping that MIB hadn’t really poisoned Ben (Miles’ words).

    The only living persons that we know off, who know what Jacob really looks like, are Hurley, Llana and Richard. People who can actually see him, do not qualify to be candidates, hence the faith part. Jacob didn’t offer Hurley the job and also didn’t show himself directly to Jack. Richard, Hurley and Llana are servants of a cause.

    Curious to see how Kate stacks up. I think that Kate will be another one of those people who get to see Jacob and serve his cause.[/quote]
    I have a different take on Ben/Jacob. I think Jacob knew Ben was going to kill him and maybe even wanted him to. If you go back to when we first saw MIB and Jacob… MIB said I will find a loophole and Jacob said “and when you do I will be waiting”. I dont believe that Jacob, who seems to know all would just be sitting at home w/ no idea of whats happening. And after Ben poured his heart out to Jacob and saying “what about me”… Jacobs response was “what about you”. To me that doesn’t fit Jacobs character. It seems as though he said that to give Ben the courage to kill him.[/quote]
    *****************
    I also think Jacob has known for a long time that something was going to happen. He has the mirrors he had the ability to watch this plot unfold. I am not sure if he wanted to die as Miles said “he was hoping for the best right up until the time he died” but I do think he had been preparing for that outcome. He has been testing the candidates and ensuring that they were brought to the island.
    Again, I think that the entity that we are not addressing is the island. The island also has some mystical powers that they are protecting and that is why it is important to find a replacement…I think this is as important as finding a replacement to keep tabs on Flocke![/quote]
    That’s exactly my point. Jacob is going to be replaced. That part seems inevitable so he knows he has to die. Miles told Ben that Jacobs last thoughts were “i hope I wasnt wrong about you”. I dont think that means I hope he doesnt kill me. Because Jacob knows he has to die anyway. I take it to mean that even know Ben is mad at him now and is going to kill him… Jacob hopes that Ben makes the right choices afterwards. And we see evidence of that. Ben has had two chances to join Flocke and even after killing Jacob… he hasnt yet. Jacob has planned this thing down to the second.

  190. Jaime says:

    [quote comment="372486"]Another thing that was weird was how nosy and mad Miles was acting towards Sawyer. They are only partners and it’s none of Miles damn business what Sawyer does outside work. I wanted to bi*ch slap him![/quote]
    *************************************

    I kind of felt the same. The way Miles said to Sawyer “Are you telling me the truth, you can tell me anything” seemed a little more like he was keeping an eye on him.
    Did you notice in the police station when Miles was getting coffee that he took the black mug and handed Sawyer the white. Hmmmmm

  191. Highlander says:

    So the Miles we see in the flash sideways was born on the island and left during the bomb detonation? Same thing with Charlotte. And perhaps his dad, Dr. Chang, left shortly after? And noow Dr. Chang and Charlotte work together. So is it safe to assume that everything that happened to the people (excuding the time traveling Losties) prior to the bomb detonation is the same in the flash sideways?

  192. Highlander says:

    Jaime, I didn’t notice that – good catch!

  193. MILK says:

    [quote comment="372484"][quote comment="372474"][quote comment="372464"]Jacob realized that MIB found the loophole the moment he saw him in Locke’s body with Ben at his side. The loophole is the ability to turn a potential candidate against him. Jacob could have rendered himself invisible to Ben (who had never really seen him before that day) but he either couldn’t due to the presence of MIB or wouldn’t because he was hoping that MIB hadn’t really poisoned Ben (Miles’ words).

    The only living persons that we know off, who know what Jacob really looks like, are Hurley, Llana and Richard. People who can actually see him, do not qualify to be candidates, hence the faith part. Jacob didn’t offer Hurley the job and also didn’t show himself directly to Jack. Richard, Hurley and Llana are servants of a cause.

    Curious to see how Kate stacks up. I think that Kate will be another one of those people who get to see Jacob and serve his cause.[/quote]
    I have a different take on Ben/Jacob. I think Jacob knew Ben was going to kill him and maybe even wanted him to. If you go back to when we first saw MIB and Jacob… MIB said I will find a loophole and Jacob said “and when you do I will be waiting”. I dont believe that Jacob, who seems to know all would just be sitting at home w/ no idea of whats happening. And after Ben poured his heart out to Jacob and saying “what about me”… Jacobs response was “what about you”. To me that doesn’t fit Jacobs character. It seems as though he said that to give Ben the courage to kill him.[/quote]
    *****************
    I also think Jacob has known for a long time that something was going to happen. He has the mirrors he had the ability to watch this plot unfold. I am not sure if he wanted to die as Miles said “he was hoping for the best right up until the time he died” but I do think he had been preparing for that outcome. He has been testing the candidates and ensuring that they were brought to the island.
    Again, I think that the entity that we are not addressing is the island. The island also has some mystical powers that they are protecting and that is why it is important to find a replacement…I think this is as important as finding a replacement to keep tabs on Flocke![/quote]
    I like the idea that the loophole has to do with a “leader” of the others. But I still think it also has to be a candidate, which I don’t think Ben ever was, maybe that is why Jacob didn’t ever ask to see him and said “What about you”. I do think Jacob is 2 or 20 steps ahead of everybody else as to what is going on. He remains very calm about the way things are heading, where as it appears MIB is working very hard to do things. In a Star Wars analogy, it appears the Jacob is the Emperor who keeps saying everything is going according to plan where as MIB is the Rebels who has to scrape scheme and plan to get any results. But I am still cheering for Jacob.

  194. Bobola says:

    [quote comment="372486"]Another thing that was weird was how nosy and mad Miles was acting towards Sawyer. They are only partners and it’s none of Miles damn business what Sawyer does outside work. I wanted to bi*ch slap him![/quote]
    ——-
    Well, it WAS a bit odd; little Miles slamming huge Sawyer up against the locker…
    but I also believed it.
    Detectives like that probably have a track record of having their lives in their partners hands. (In fact that’s what they showed.)
    So, I disagree. You work with a guy who you HAVE to trust with your life every day and you don’t want some sneaky shit going on…where all of a sudden THEY don’t trust you. So, yes, very believable for me. Just odd.
    I like Odd.

    Charlotte is about as sexy as Sister Wendy to me.
    Ha! Sawyer shows up to apologize with a six pack!
    He’s got her slutty number. Nosy bitch; going thru someone’s dresser is a no no, bitch. Doesn’t matter if he has just let you go thru his drawers.
    But, she’s a plant. She was there for something more than Sawyer Sausage.

    So, Claire has been living out in the sticks, literally…what a crazy little hut she made. With that DNA, sure bet her baby won’t be growing up to be an architect. Kudos to LOST Art Dept. for the weirdness.

  195. wizrednat says:

    [quote comment="372491"]Jaime, I didn’t notice that – good catch![/quote]
    Very good catch. And it aslo seemed as if Charlotte was looking for something in Sawyers drawer…not a tshirt. And when Sawyer showed up at her door and she rejected him she said “you blew it”. It felt like a little more than just you wont get any.

  196. Jaime says:

    [quote comment="372491"]Jaime, I didn’t notice that – good catch![/quote]
    *************************************

    I didnt catch it either. I read it in a recap by Vozzek69 over @ DarkUFO. I thought it was pretty telling.

  197. wizrednat says:

    [quote comment="372495"][quote comment="372491"]Jaime, I didn’t notice that – good catch![/quote]
    *************************************

    I didnt catch it either. I read it in a recap by Vozzek69 over @ DarkUFO. I thought it was pretty telling.[/quote]
    Well its clear that Jacob is protecting Hurley. Hurley sees dead people and Miles can hear dead people. Maybe both sides get someone w/ a similar power?

  198. Miraks says:

    [quote comment="372473"][quote comment="372448"]1. I don’t think Ben’s mom Emily and Locke’s mom Emily are one and the same. We saw Locke’s mom when she had him and we saw Ben’s mom when she had him, and they did not look alike to me. As far as Anthony Cooper being Locke’s real dad- we don’t know that for sure, but it would be pretty strange for a guy who needs a kidney to just randomly con someone.

    2. I do believ that MIB=Christian=Locke, but does not = Alex. I think MIB can only “posess” the bodies of people that die off the island. Maybe that’s the loophole? How many dead bodies arrive on the island? Maybe that is a “secondary” loophole in the FSW? Christain’s body missing again?

    3. When Sawyer was presented with Anthony Cooper on the island, he killed him. I see this coming: Sawyer tracks Anthony down in the FSW. Goes to see him. Walks in on Locke’s wedding. It will come down to him killing Anthony like he did on the island, OR forgiving/ moving on…[/quote]

    Regarding your point 2, you believe there is another smoke monster that became Alex and Yemi (Eko’s brother killed on the island)? Do you think it is Jacob or another entity? We know that FLocke is a smoke monster, but nothing has convinced me that there is a second. I’m curious what makes you think so. Seems to me MIB previously could become any unburied body on the island until he recently became stuck in Locke because he was a candidate or because Jacob died.[/quote]

    I saw them more as apperations/ spirits I guess, but not as the smoke monster.

  199. andre gr says:

    Two thoughts:
    Widmore answered to Sawyer about the freighter issue that “they didn’t murder those people”. That might be true from Widmore’s point of view because he knows they were killed in an alternate timeline not in the real one.

    Sawyer is so eager to leave the island that if he knew about the donkey wheel and its sideffect he would have turned it already! That makes me wonder why FLocke can’t turn the wheel and go for Tunisia.

  200. Kathy P says:

    I want Miles to go to the cave a talk to Adam & Eve

  201. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="372501"]I want Miles to go to the cave a talk to Adam & Eve[/quote]

    Oooh, yeah.

    : ) P

  202. Kathy P says:

    I was reading Lostpedia that the Blast door map says that the remains of Magnus Hanso are somewhere on the Island. I’m wondering if Miles will talk with him and we will get some info from that talk.

  203. londonboy says:

    Thought it was interesting that Sayid said that he was not alright, almost as if in fear or pain. Is he entirely ‘gone’ yet?

    And interesting that they chose not to reveal whether Miles still has his abilities, especially given how it wouldn’t be too hard to have a cop around a dead body. We know from Ben and Linus that the Island exists/existed in FS, so you would assume that Miles was still born on the island, and that’s where he got his abilities from. Or maybe it’s a reveal to come. Interesting also that he became a cop.

    And Sawyer, obviously, but while he did choose ‘good’, his motivation since leaving the academy is still to hunt down and kill ‘Sawyer’. Wonder why they chose Charlotte for his FS?

    Are we meant to assume Flocke/Smokie killed those people from the plane, or was Widmore lying, or another reason I’ve missed?

  204. freckles says:

    I think that Flocke could not be stabbed by Sayid because Dogan told him exactly what to do and there was no “free will” choice involved. Notice when the bomb was dropped in the premiere recap they said “never underestimate the power of free will” and then Sawyer nodded at Jack, Jack nodded at Kate and Juliet also. so they “willed” things to change. They were all in agreement. Jacob said “they’re coming” Did he mean them? these are old ideas, but still on my mind.

  205. Kim says:

    I loved Recon. It was my fave ep since season 6 started….I just adore Sawyer and anything he does. My money is on him coming out heroic.

  206. Miss lost says:

    [quote comment="372502"][quote comment="372501"]I want Miles to go to the cave a talk to Adam & Eve[/quote]

    Oooh, yeah.

    : ) P[/quote]
    **************8
    wouldn’t that be cool!

  207. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="372510"][quote comment="372502"][quote comment="372501"]I want Miles to go to the cave a talk to Adam & Eve[/quote]

    Oooh, yeah.

    : ) P[/quote]
    **************8
    wouldn’t that be cool![/quote]
    Yes. I want to see this, now!

  208. Rumblestilskin says:

    I deff think that Aaron is the boy in the woods……..and Jacob.

  209. wallyp says:

    [quote comment="372515"]I deff think that Aaron is the boy in the woods……..and Jacob.[/quote]

    Yeah, after watching this ep a second time, I sort of think the same thing too. Boy=Jacob=Aaron…maybe not literally, it seems to me that Jacob is the brother to MIB, and if he were never around to be at MIBs heels, MIBs life would have been alot easier… and in someway (maybe just in his mind?>…) Jacob=Aaron=Boy in the woods…

    The thought of this sort of made MIB seem less evil to me too. He doesn’t necessarilly want Aaron dead,,, just out of the way.

  210. Miss lost says:

    Have we discussed that if the lives of our losties are so different in the FS and so many of them who we have seen die are alive and well couldn’t we also assume that Jacob would also be alive and well in FS as well?

  211. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="372519"]Have we discussed that if the lives of our losties are so different in the FS and so many of them who we have seen die are alive and well couldn’t we also assume that Jacob would also be alive and well in FS as well?[/quote]
    I suppose he could be.

    Just remember, they are alive and well in ’04 in FSW. They die between 04 and 07 in the first time line…Jacob wasn’t killed until 07…right?

  212. wingman says:

    What one night stand goes into another man’s shirt drawer and diggs DEEP for a shirt, then finds something that she knows she shouldn’t look at, then (Knowing her one night stand may come back in the room at any minute) STILL thumbs thru this guy’s secret booklet..Then when she’s caught and chewed out, SHE gets mad and won’t forgive HIM?!

    It was this scene and the one of Miles interrogating Sawyer like he was his mother or ‘Ole Lady, demanding answers that really turned me off…Miles broke every guy code rule I can think off in one scene…

    Love the ladies (look at my username), but it’s no doubt to me that a woman wrote this ep…Those scenes were too illogical…

    I did enjoy the interaction between Sawyer and Widmore and Sawyer the suddenly “Mommy Issues” Smokness Lockster…But I do place this episode with “What Kate Does” as the two worse of the season…Can’t wait for Richard’s ep though, it seems like a lifetime since we came up with the Black Rock theory and I hope it won’t disappoint..We’ll probably get the patented Flashback “Wooooosh” sound again instead of those FS tribal drum beats, lol…

    8 eps left, lets do this thing!

  213. twin field says:

    Weren’t Charlotte and Miles on Widmore’s team when they first arrived on the island? In FSW, are they still on Widmore’s team?

    It seems like they are keeping tabs on Sawyer/Ford in FSW, as if they want to know if Ford is going to remember something, or if he is going to catch onto something.

    Miles sounded relieved, or at least calm, when Ford admitted that he was looking for “Sawyer.” Miles was more upset to find out that Ford took a flight to Australia.

    It seems more than coincidental that Ford meets Widmore on the island and then contends with (Widmore’s) Charlotte and Miles in FSW.

  214. wingman says:

    ^Hmmm, didn’t think of that…I sure hope so, because Miles did something a best friend would never do and Charlotte did something a one night stand would never do…Maybe that’s the answer…They were doing it on purpose…

  215. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="372521"]What one night stand goes into another man’s shirt drawer and diggs DEEP for a shirt, then finds something that she knows she shouldn’t look at, then (Knowing her one night stand may come back in the room at any minute) STILL thumbs thru this guy’s secret booklet..Then when she’s caught and chewed out, SHE gets mad and won’t forgive HIM?![/quote]

    To me, Charlotte was LOOKING for something and the “can I borrow a t-shirt” was just an excuse to go looking through Sawyer’s drawers. Don’t know why, but that is what I thought immediately. She’s too smart not to know left from right and it was pretty clear from the get-go that those were NOT t-shirts.

    JMO,
    : ) P

  216. Shadow says:

    [quote comment="372524"][quote comment="372521"]What one night stand goes into another man’s shirt drawer and diggs DEEP for a shirt, then finds something that she knows she shouldn’t look at, then (Knowing her one night stand may come back in the room at any minute) STILL thumbs thru this guy’s secret booklet..Then when she’s caught and chewed out, SHE gets mad and won’t forgive HIM?![/quote]

    To me, Charlotte was LOOKING for something and the “can I borrow a t-shirt” was just an excuse to go looking through Sawyer’s drawers. Don’t know why, but that is what I thought immediately. She’s too smart not to know left from right and it was pretty clear from the get-go that those were NOT t-shirts.

    JMO,
    : ) P[/quote]

    I agree, I also felt that Charlotte was looking for something. I like the Charlotte/Miles working for Widmore in FSW theory.

  217. wingman says:

    Well I hope I’m wrong..I really do, but if she WAS doing an investigation on Sawyer, her sneaking skills are as bad as a one night stands’…

    And if Miles is doing the same, he needs to calm that volcanic eruption and question his partner like an understanding buddy and not a nagging GF…Nevertheless I will give the other option a chance…

  218. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="372526"]Well I hope I’m wrong..I really do, but if she WAS doing an investigation on Sawyer, her sneaking skills are as bad as a one night stands’…[/quote]

    Here’s the thing… if she was searching with a purpose, was she as careful as say, Sydney Bristow? No! But in order for *us* to PICK UP on the fact that she wasn’t just casually looking for a t-shirt, she HAD to be obvious TO US. And who KNOWS… maybe it was part of her plan to let Sawyer CATCH her.

    Or maybe Rebecca Mader isn’t a very good actress.

    Giving the casting department’s track record, I am thinking no (they can’t help that Malcom David Kelley’s acting skills didn’t grow up with him).

    : ) P

  219. RGS says:

    [quote comment="372526"]Well I hope I’m wrong..I really do, but if she WAS doing an investigation on Sawyer, her sneaking skills are as bad as a one night stands’…

    And if Miles is doing the same, he needs to calm that volcanic eruption and question his partner like an understanding buddy and not a nagging GF…Nevertheless I will give the other option a chance…[/quote]

    I finally saw the episode Sunday and I have to agree with you that she stunk as far as IF she was investigating. I just took it as she was just being nosey. Besides her original connection with Widmore was not sinister in nature, she just wanted to get back to the island that she knew she was on as a little girl.

    My thing with Sawyer was that he essentially gave her permission to rummage through that drawer, when he left the room. I mean, he’s keeping something that important to him in the drawer that he tells her to go through? He can’t blow his top off something like that. Get upset yes, check her even but putting her out was going over the top. So I could see why she was upset. This type of stuff happens all the time. One party will do something wrong, the other party seemingly over-reacts with their anger, which in turns gives the original offending party a reason to get equally upset.

  220. Jim Balaya says:

    She was snooping. He said the shirts were in the top right drawer. She was going thru the top left drawer (jeans) when she was caught.

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