Happily Ever After

Lost - Season 6 - Happily Ever After - Desmond

At the conclusion of last week’s show, we found not (not a huge surprise) that Desmond was “The Package”, and tonight’s episode will get us up to speed with how he comes back, or is forced back, to the Island. It will be interesting to see if we further understand how Desmond seemingly was/was not present on Flight 815 in the season premiere. Over the seasons, a Desmond-centric episode has never failed to deliver, so tonight should be no different.

Episode Description:

“Desmond wakes up and realizes he is back on the island.”

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211 Responses to Happily Ever After

  1. mrs. markelz says:

    im the first to comment, i have been waiting years for this. I hope we find out tonight why desmond is so special. i have always felt that desmond holds the key and knows more than he ler on. we will see…

  2. Mateo says:

    Ben, John Locke, & Desmond episodes are always the best, can’t wait!! I think Desmond is the key to answering all the time traveling questions we have so hopefully we get some answers. :)

    http://www.ew.com/ew/video/0,,20313460_20313475,00.html

  3. m says:

    I’m really hoping to get a better understanding of what the “rules” are, and why the rules don’t apply to Des.

  4. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="373035"]I’m really hoping to get a better understanding of what the “rules” are, and why the rules don’t apply to Des.[/quote]
    I want to know the rules too. Although I think the ‘rules’ that don’t apply to Desmond are because of what happened when he turned the key.

  5. Jason says:

    [quote comment="373036"][quote comment="373035"]I’m really hoping to get a better understanding of what the “rules” are, and why the rules don’t apply to Des.[/quote]
    I want to know the rules too. Although I think the ‘rules’ that don’t apply to Desmond are because of what happened when he turned the key.[/quote]
    __________________________
    Agreed….so when he showed up on the plane in the FSW, was he really there or was he physically somewhere else and subconciously was on the plane like the episode when he was flashing betweent the freighter and the army.

  6. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="373037"][quote comment="373036"][quote comment="373035"]I’m really hoping to get a better understanding of what the “rules” are, and why the rules don’t apply to Des.[/quote]
    I want to know the rules too. Although I think the ‘rules’ that don’t apply to Desmond are because of what happened when he turned the key.[/quote]
    __________________________
    Agreed….so when he showed up on the plane in the FSW, was he really there or was he physically somewhere else and subconciously was on the plane like the episode when he was flashing betweent the freighter and the army.[/quote]
    Well, when he was flashing between the freighter and the army…his body was in both places…we was only consciouly time traveling. So, I believe he was on the plane and his ‘current’ conscious maybe have been traveling between ’04 and ’07.

  7. Jason says:

    [quote comment="373038"][quote comment="373037"][quote comment="373036"][quote comment="373035"]I’m really hoping to get a better understanding of what the “rules” are, and why the rules don’t apply to Des.[/quote]
    I want to know the rules too. Although I think the ‘rules’ that don’t apply to Desmond are because of what happened when he turned the key.[/quote]
    __________________________
    Agreed….so when he showed up on the plane in the FSW, was he really there or was he physically somewhere else and subconciously was on the plane like the episode when he was flashing betweent the freighter and the army.[/quote]
    Well, when he was flashing between the freighter and the army…his body was in both places…we was only consciouly time traveling. So, I believe he was on the plane and his ‘current’ conscious maybe have been traveling between ’04 and ’07.[/quote]
    __________________________________________
    Yeah, that’s what I meant…..kind of hard to explain. But do you think he disappeared physically from the plane or was he still on it somewhere?

  8. wally p says:

    [quote comment="373037"][quote comment="373036"][quote comment="373035"]I’m really hoping to get a better understanding of what the “rules” are, and why the rules don’t apply to Des.[/quote]
    I want to know the rules too. Although I think the ‘rules’ that don’t apply to Desmond are because of what happened when he turned the key.[/quote]
    __________________________
    Agreed….so when he showed up on the plane in the FSW, was he really there or was he physically somewhere else and subconciously was on the plane like the episode when he was flashing betweent the freighter and the army.[/quote]

    when Desmond flashed between the freighter and the army it was because there was already a physical body of him there to flash between… the same when he flashed between the island and the jewlrey store in season 3… he was in -his- body in the past…

    I’m wondering if it could be that Des was only on 815 in some part of Jacks memory. either that or he flashed off the plane, the way Jack, Kate and Hurley did on the 316…

  9. Bobola says:

    I only want to know the rules so I know when I’m breaking them…because I always will.
    Can’t help myself.

  10. LostGrrl says:

    Am I mistaken, or was Des wearing a bandage when they took him off the sub? If so, does this mean they took him from the hospital when he was recovering from Ben’s gunshot?

    The title of the episode indicates Des’ story will be tied up in a bow, but LOST would never do that… at least not yet.

  11. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="373039"][quote comment="373038"][quote comment="373037"][quote comment="373036"][quote comment="373035"][/quote]
    [/quote][/quote]
    [/quote]
    __________________________________________
    Yeah, that’s what I meant…..kind of hard to explain. But do you think he disappeared physically from the plane or was he still on it somewhere?[/quote]
    Still on it. Mental flashing, not physical flashing.

  12. Jason says:

    [quote comment="373044"][quote comment="373039"][quote comment="373038"][quote comment="373037"][quote comment="373036"][quote comment="373035"][/quote]
    [/quote][/quote]
    [/quote]
    __________________________________________
    Yeah, that’s what I meant…..kind of hard to explain. But do you think he disappeared physically from the plane or was he still on it somewhere?[/quote]
    Still on it. Mental flashing, not physical flashing.[/quote]
    ___________________________________________
    Yeah, that makes sense….Desmond has never physically flashed that we know, has he?

  13. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="373045"][quote comment="373044"][quote comment="373039"][quote comment="373038"][quote comment="373037"][quote comment="373036"][quote comment="373035"][/quote]
    [/quote][/quote]
    [/quote]
    __________________________________________
    Yeah, that’s what I meant…..kind of hard to explain. But do you think he disappeared physically from the plane or was he still on it somewhere?[/quote]
    Still on it. Mental flashing, not physical flashing.[/quote]
    ___________________________________________
    Yeah, that makes sense….Desmond has never physically flashed that we know, has he?[/quote]
    Nope, he was off island during the wheel turning and ‘skipping’. I believe Charlotte did a little of both…Juliette too.

  14. Miss lost says:

    [quote comment="373043"]Am I mistaken, or was Des wearing a bandage when they took him off the sub? If so, does this mean they took him from the hospital when he was recovering from Ben’s gunshot?

    The title of the episode indicates Des’ story will be tied up in a bow, but LOST would never do that… at least not yet.[/quote]
    ************8

    not sure if he was wearing a bandage or not, but I do think Widmore probably took him from the hospital. I think that is why he was there-to get Desmond. He and Eloise always knew he was “special” and that the island was done with him yet…I think how or why he is special has something to do with why Widmore did not want his daughter to become involved with him. I hope it does not mean something bad for Des and Penny.

  15. Miss lost says:

    Any guess on the skeletal remains at the bottom of Desmonds feet? He appears to be in a cave…

  16. Miss lost says:

    [quote comment="373049"]Any guess on the skeletal remains at the bottom of Desmonds feet? He appears to be in a cave…[/quote]
    **********

    It looks like there are two…our Adam and Eve?

  17. Mr. $tuart says:

    Sounds like Widmore is a Rush Limbaugh fan. He just said sheduled

  18. Lisa M says:

    OMG — des smacking the crap out of Widmore… i think i just peed a little. and the cripsy critter science dude. now they gonna fry des. wid says his son (Dan) died there. Eloise hates him, Penelope too. des goes loco to break the chair. jin says not me. wid wants to EM the crap out of des. des jizzes hisself and shows up in airport after sydney flight in LAX with crazy hair Claire. claire a bitch to des. dez offers to “give her a ride”.

  19. Rifleste says:

    [quote comment="373052"]Sounds like Widmore is a Rush Limbaugh fan. He just said sheduled[/quote]
    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    or he is British…

  20. Ben says:

    Not sure why everyone is so quite….I think this is one of the best episodes in a while. Thank you LOST for renewing my faith.

  21. Jake says:

    Have we seen George (desmond’s driver) before?
    I know I’ve seen the actor, but I can’t remember if he was in LOST or not.
    Thanks.

  22. Ben says:

    Jake, hes minkowski……..he died on the freighter.

  23. Jake says:

    Right, Thanks Ben.
    So much to think about after tonight’s episode! So many old episodes I want to re-watch!
    Who are Penny’s parents? I assume Faraday’s is Widmore/Eloise’s child. Which parent do they have in common?

  24. DANTE says:

    soo desmond can survive in an electromagnetic pocket or srea as seen. is this why he is special, or will he show the oceanic 815 passengers a new/present timeline

  25. Mr. $tuart says:

    Well Desmond has everything figured out, but I sure as hell don’t.

  26. DANTE says:

    mr stuart i soo agree with u

  27. Ben says:

    So how does this tie into Jacob vs. MIB? Frankly I like the Des storyline better.

  28. Amber says:

    im confused. so all the island stuff happened and everyone has just forgot? So desmond is going show them? that sounds wierd but i dont know how else to put it

  29. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="373052"]Sounds like Widmore is a Rush Limbaugh fan. He just said sheduled[/quote]

    Widmore is English, and that is the British way of saying it. Just like sexual is sex-soo-wal.

    Wow. That was fanFREEKINtastic. Charlie! Penny! Daniel! Mrs. Hawking! (I mean Mrs. Widmore)

    A
    Ma
    Zing

    : ) P

  30. MT says:

    [quote comment="373058"]Right, Thanks Ben.
    So much to think about after tonight’s episode! So many old episodes I want to re-watch!
    Who are Penny’s parents? I assume Faraday’s is Widmore/Eloise’s child. Which parent do they have in common?[/quote]

    In the previous storyline Widmore is Penny’s father. We don’t know who her mother is.

    Eloise once again is fully aware.

    The others (Des, Charlie, Penny, et al) seem to be waking up from suppressed memories.

  31. DANTE says:

    that is true ben how does des tie in with jacob/man in black, maybe he is on both sides or is the games secret weapon and who ever he sides with wins, or he is not part of this game and is able to change the outcome of it, maybe he can break these “rules”

  32. mrs marlekz says:

    This was by far the best ep yet!!! They are tying things together nicely I didn’t think they could but I think I see where this is going and I like it. I’m going to rewatch right now but I think I’ve got it! Why is no one posting?? Gone are the days of 700 posts if any ep deserves it it is this one! Get writing folks I’m eager to read…

  33. Hammer says:

    How cool was that?

    Ms. Hawking waiting foe des to be ready in order to course correct whh….yes!

  34. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="373068"]Ms. Hawking waiting foe des to be ready in order to course correct whh….yes![/quote]

    Exactly!

    I bet all those people who said D&C were making it up as they went along are biting off a bit of humble pie tonight.

    *g*

    : ) P

  35. MT says:

    [quote comment="373064"][quote comment="373052"]Sounds like Widmore is a Rush Limbaugh fan. He just said sheduled[/quote]

    Widmore is English, and that is the British way of saying it. Just like sexual is sex-soo-wal.

    Wow. That was fanFREEKINtastic. Charlie! Penny! Daniel! Mrs. Hawking! (I mean Mrs. Widmore)

    A
    Ma
    Zing

    : ) P[/quote]

    I agree! We’re definitely starting to feel the overlap of everything. The FS is like a dream created because of the events on the island. It’s real but not real, hence they are starting to wake up from it and to realize what’s really going on. The island is still “real time” and everyone is in danger.

  36. Jake says:

    PJ,
    I don’t know if this episode proves that at all. I tend to agree that they had some pretty big ideas about what would happen in the whole series, but I don’t know if I see any proof from this episode tying so much together.

  37. DT says:

    If Desmond can “awaken” the losties, syncing up their island and parallel universe minds, I wonder if what happens when Desmond “wakes up” John Locke. Can he put locke back into his island body this way, ejecting the MIB?

  38. Ufoundme says:

    OK, Show of hands, please …who else shrieked and fell out of their chair when Sideways Charlie held his hand up to the car window, and Des flashed to “Not Penny’s Boat”?

    “Holy c###, here we go!!” I thought–the giddiness you feel in the second the rollercoaster pauses at the top of the rise, just before it goes hurtling down.

    Just fantastic. Des’ reaction to Sayid and willingness to walk off with him really puzzled me, however. Does he see and understand what he has to do, but it’s NOT going to be Widmore’s plan?

  39. girlzilla says:

    what do we make of desmond and penny “meeting” at the stadium where jack and training-for-a-sail-around-the-world des met way back when?

  40. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="373071"]PJ,
    I don’t know if this episode proves that at all. I tend to agree that they had some pretty big ideas about what would happen in the whole series, but I don’t know if I see any proof from this episode tying so much together.[/quote]
    It does for me.

  41. sector7 says:

    OH MY GOD! That was so cool. Classic Lost. Best ep in a long time.

    So I take it that the rules that don’t apply to Des are the rules of physics and the rules of AltEloise’s “game”. I wonder if only AltEloise knows or if AltCharles knows too.

  42. Ufoundme says:

    [quote comment="373074"]what do we make of desmond and penny “meeting” at the stadium where jack and training-for-a-sail-around-the-world des met way back when?[/quote]

    Penny goes there to work-out, as she did with her ex-husband…Jack. Jack’s son inherited the Widmore family musical ability, as did Daniel.

    How’s that for wild speculation?

  43. MT says:

    [quote comment="373073"]OK, Show of hands, please …who else shrieked and fell out of their chair when Sideways Charlie held his hand up to the car window, and Des flashed to “Not Penny’s Boat”?

    “Holy c###, here we go!!” I thought–the giddiness you feel in the second the rollercoaster pauses at the top of the rise, just before it goes hurtling down.

    Just fantastic. Des’ reaction to Sayid and willingness to walk off with him really puzzled me, however. Does he see and understand what he has to do, but it’s NOT going to be Widmore’s plan?[/quote]

    I got the sense that Des knows there’s a bigger plan but he doesn’t know exactly how it’s going to unfold so he’s willing to go with whomever asks him to go with them right now, because in some way it’s moving things forward.

  44. Hammer says:

    I can’t find a mobile setting for thuis blog for my phone and it’s just too hard to read so I give you….bedtime for bonzo

    Juliette saw des and pennys fsw when she was talking about coffee?

    Widmore is going toi use des to get losties to save the island and the world…widmore is on jacobs side.

  45. Jake says:

    Hammer, I guess I was looking for a little more than a yes here. What makes you sure that they had it all figured out from the beginning, the fact that everything fits so nicely now? Or is it something else. I’m open to being convinced, in fact I’d love to think that the whole basic story was written by the time we hit season three, but I’m not convinced. I’m a man of science, not a man of faith. :)

    So, do people think Widmore’s plan is that Desmond somehow lures Locke/MIB to one of these energy pockets that can either trap or kill MIB?
    Although now, with Sayid taking Desmond, who knows what’ll happen. Desmond sure seemed to know what he was doing when he went with Sayid.

  46. sector7 says:

    As soon as I saw the EM chamber, I yelled, “the magic box!”!

    Des got to save Charlie this time!

    Everyone has been slightly recognizing each other and seeing their “other” selves in the mirrors!

  47. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="373080"]Hammer, I guess I was looking for a little more than a yes here. What makes you sure that they had it all figured out from the beginning, the fact that everything fits so nicely now? Or is it something else. I’m open to being convinced, in fact I’d love to think that the whole basic story was written by the time we hit season three, but I’m not convinced. I’m a man of science, not a man of faith. :)

    So, do people think Widmore’s plan is that Desmond somehow lures Locke/MIB to one of these energy pockets that can either trap or kill MIB?
    Although now, with Sayid taking Desmond, who knows what’ll happen. Desmond sure seemed to know what he was doing when he went with Sayid.[/quote]

    I won’t speak for Hammer, but I will say this – I don’t have time at this moment to go through every moment in “Happily Ever After” to demonstrate the places where the seeds were planted for THIS OUTCOME in the very first episodes. But they were.

    It hasn’t happened so far this season, but I would really like to re-view this episode. If I do, I will make notes to share for you. In the meantime, I bow to the sapient superiority that embodies D&C. You may choose to wait and see, I do not.

    : ) P

  48. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="373082"]
    It hasn’t happened so far this season, but I would really like to re-view this episode. If I do, I will make notes to share for you. In the meantime, I bow to the sapient superiority that embodies D&C. You may choose to wait and see, I do not.[/quote]

    Sorry, what I meant by this is that I have not been able to carve out the time to re-view any episodes this season. I didn’t make that clear. Apologies.

    : ) P

  49. MT says:

    [quote comment="373077"][quote comment="373074"]what do we make of desmond and penny “meeting” at the stadium where jack and training-for-a-sail-around-the-world des met way back when?[/quote]

    Penny goes there to work-out, as she did with her ex-husband…Jack.

    Jack’s son inherited the Widmore family musical ability, as did Daniel.

    How’s that for wild speculation?[/quote]

    Wow! good point. I was thinking the running on the stairs thing was pure synchronicity also that Jack’s ex-wife was Juliet, because they’re both doctors and that would have been a logical way for them to meet. We shall see.

  50. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="373082"][quote comment="373080"]Hammer, I guess I was looking for a little more than a yes here. What makes you sure that they had it all figured out from the beginning, the fact that everything fits so nicely now? Or is it something else. I’m open to being convinced, in fact I’d love to think that the whole basic story was written by the time we hit season three, but I’m not convinced. I’m a man of science, not a man of faith. :)

    So, do people think Widmore’s plan is that Desmond somehow lures Locke/MIB to one of these energy pockets that can either trap or kill MIB?
    Although now, with Sayid taking Desmond, who knows what’ll happen. Desmond sure seemed to know what he was doing when he went with Sayid.[/quote]

    I won’t speak for Hammer, but I will say this – I don’t have time at this moment to go through every moment in “Happily Ever After” to demonstrate the places where the seeds were planted for THIS OUTCOME in the very first episodes. But they were.

    It hasn’t happened so far this season, but I would really like to re-view this episode. If I do, I will make notes to share for you. In the meantime, I bow to the sapient superiority that embodies D&C. You may choose to wait and see, I do not.

    : ) P[/quote]
    Agreed.

  51. Sassafras says:

    [quote comment="373082"]

    I won’t speak for Hammer, but I will say this – I don’t have time at this moment to go through every moment in “Happily Ever After” to demonstrate the places where the seeds were planted for THIS OUTCOME in the very first episodes. But they were.

    It hasn’t happened so far this season, but I would really like to re-view this episode. If I do, I will make notes to share for you. In the meantime, I bow to the sapient superiority that embodies D&C. You may choose to wait and see, I do not.

    : ) P[/quote]

    But did they plan ahead or just pull it all together really, really well tonight? Only they know….

  52. Jason says:

    [quote comment="373086"][quote comment="373082"]

    I won’t speak for Hammer, but I will say this – I don’t have time at this moment to go through every moment in “Happily Ever After” to demonstrate the places where the seeds were planted for THIS OUTCOME in the very first episodes. But they were.

    It hasn’t happened so far this season, but I would really like to re-view this episode. If I do, I will make notes to share for you. In the meantime, I bow to the sapient superiority that embodies D&C. You may choose to wait and see, I do not.

    : ) P[/quote]

    But did they plan ahead or just pull it all together really, really well tonight? Only they know….[/quote]
    ________________________________________
    Who cares!! It was a great episode and things are finally coming together. In my opinion it doesn’t matter if they thought of it 6 years ago or not.

  53. Jake says:

    Devil’s advocate says they pulled together the seeds that were there that fit the story they came up with. Don’t get me wrong, I think they are amazing writers and producers and if 10% of the theories and literary references that people find and blog about are there, then they are some of the best ever. I still don’t know if we know it was all planned from the beginning.
    Just noticed as I was typing, Sassafras made a similar point.

  54. RuthyB says:

    Yep. Sassafras and Jake nailed it.

  55. freckles says:

    [quote comment="373077"][quote comment="373074"]what do we make of desmond and penny “meeting” at the stadium where jack and training-for-a-sail-around-the-world des met way back when?[/quote]

    Penny goes there to work-out, as she did with her ex-husband…Jack.

    Jack’s son inherited the Widmore family musical ability, as did Daniel.

    interesting idea. My family and I just thought it made us all think about the quote “see ya in another life brother”. This appears to be another life. From what Daniel says, it takes place after the atomic bomb was set off.

    How’s that for wild speculation?[/quote]

  56. freckles says:

    my response didn’t show. It was that the running at the stadium reminded me of the quote “see ya in another life brother”. this is another life. According to Daniel it takes place after the atomic bomb.

  57. Shadow says:

    Wow! That was the best episode this season. I am also puzzled why the blog is so quiet tonight. I just finished watching and figured there would be hundreds of posts by the time I logged on here.
    At the end of the episode, Desmond seemed to have a plan in FSW as he did on the island. How the heck does Eloise always seem to know what is going on?
    And what does Love have to do with Charlie, Faraday, and Des remembering their other timeline?

  58. intolost says:

    Wow!!!!!!!!!!! Fabulous episode!!!! Great to see Charlie and Faraday!!!! Can’t you just totally feel it from this one that we’re now really truly on the edge of it all coming together????!!!!! I do!! I love it!!! I just know it will all come together beautifully!!!!! I think Des back on island is totally key! I think we’ll see Dr. Candle/Halliwax again, too. I think the bunny was a hint at that. He’s just too cool not to see again before the grand finale. What happened when they evacuated anyway???? Just sit right back and you’ll hear a tale, a tale of a fateful trip….. Still miss Jules, but great to see her kicking butt on V!!!! Somebody please get me to a LAA meeting. I think I need help! : ) Sorry. I’ll calm down now. Looking forward to your posts.

  59. intolost says:

    I think next week is Hurley-centric. Fascinating thought that Penny is Jack’s ex. I’m guess Charlotte may be a possibility, too.

  60. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="373092"]
    And what does Love have to do with Charlie, Faraday, and Des remembering their other timeline?[/quote]

    They are each others’ constants.

    : ) P

  61. skate says:

    [quote comment="373094"]I think next week is Hurley-centric.

    Fascinating thought that Penny is Jack’s ex. I’m guess Charlotte may be a possibility, too.[/quote]
    —————

    got to be Juliet.

  62. wallyp says:

    [quote comment="373073"]

    Just fantastic. Des’ reaction to Sayid and willingness to walk off with him really puzzled me, however. Does he see and understand what he has to do, but it’s NOT going to be Widmore’s plan?[/quote]

    At that point, when Desmond wakes up, he’s flashed. It’s the Desmond that just met Penny at the bleechers. He’s ready to roll.

    The problem here is that Widmores time table is slightly off. First of all, that goofy chick fired darts at MIBs camp too early, and then Widmore put Desmond into the flash booth too early, AND THEN… Desmond found out about Penny too early…

    My guess is that things never really go quite according to plan for Widmore… which rules. Hopefully things never go quite according to plan for Jacob either.

  63. wallyp says:

    Dig this: John Locke (4) was added by Richard. Richard, for the first time in 1954 had finally discovered a candidiate (John Locke) and he was so special that he needed to be number 4. BUT, without Richard, the next candidate should have been Hurley (8)… John Locke is the add on. Man In Black SHOULD have been Hurley.

  64. Shadow says:

    [quote comment="373095"][quote comment="373092"]
    And what does Love have to do with Charlie, Faraday, and Des remembering their other timeline?[/quote]

    They are each others’ constants.

    : ) P[/quote]

    Thanks, I forgot about that little detail, but I thought the significance of the constant was during conscious time travel..

  65. Shadow says:

    [quote comment="373098"]Dig this: John Locke (4) was added by Richard. Richard, for the first time in 1954 had finally discovered a candidiate (John Locke) and he was so special that he needed to be number 4. BUT, without Richard, the next candidate should have been Hurley (8)… John Locke is the add on. Man In Black SHOULD have been Hurley.[/quote]

    Sorry if I don’t understand, but do you mind explaining this? I’m intrigued…

  66. wallyp says:

    [quote comment="373100"][quote comment="373098"]Dig this: John Locke (4) was added by Richard. Richard, for the first time in 1954 had finally discovered a candidiate (John Locke) and he was so special that he needed to be number 4. BUT, without Richard, the next candidate should have been Hurley (8)… John Locke is the add on. Man In Black SHOULD have been Hurley.[/quote]

    Sorry if I don’t understand, but do you mind explaining this? I’m intrigued…[/quote]

    Well, theres the numbers… and then there was the numbers turning into “the six” numbers from Hurleys lottery. 4 8 (I dont remember them all) 23 48… but they are all the six names. They may or may not be the candidates, but there is six candidiates… LOCKE was number 4 on MIBs ceiling, and he crossed that name off, after he became Locke. Now he wants to get on a plane, as Locke, the first candidate. (I think)

    But, LOcke was brought in under false pretenses. He told Richard that he was the next leader, and that he was brought by Jacob. Richard followed him, and was convinced that he was the next thing (remember the drawing of the smoke monster..) truth is that Locke was brought in to be MIB… OR Locke was brought in as a fake to be the next MIB, therefore making MIB a fake candidate (or one who will die?) and leaving open a spot for a different “sixth” candidate. I’ve been drinking high lifes, but I think the candidate might “really” be Desmond. BUt I’ve got a whole number system that I avent (fully) figured out yet.

  67. The Kath says:

    Just re-watched last weeks episode. Picked up this little nugget:

    LOCKE: Something wrong, Claire?

    CLAIRE: Um… what, what you said to Jin… about the names on the wall? Told him you needed them all to get off the island?

    LOCKE: Yes I did.

    CLAIRE: So… was my name on the wall?

    LOCKE: No.

    CLAIRE: Then… it doesn’t matter if I get on that plane then. I mean you don’t, you don’t need me–

    LOCKE: No. That’s not true, Claire. I need you. And there’s plenty of room on that plane for all of us.

    CLAIRE: Now when we go home, Aaron’s not going to know me. Stranger to my own son. He thinks Kate’s his mother. Was her name on the wall?

    LOCKE: No, Claire… it isn’t. Not anymore. But I need Kate.

    I would love some insight on this. Why would Kate’s name NOT be on the wall? What did she do any differently than the rest of the candidates? If this has already been discussed I apologize and would love a link to the discussion. I did notice that when we were in Jacob’s cave that Kate’s name was not on the wall, just thought it was in the interest of saving time that they didn’t show it.

  68. Point of No Return says:

    LOST is the greatest show ever

    okay maybe a close second after the Twilight Zone.

    FAVORITE scene of the night was Eloise telling Des its a “violtion of the rules”

    This makes me think Whitmore/Eloise made a deal with the MIB… keep quite and they (all) get the “perfect” life.

    Icredible episode shoulda been called the Constant II

  69. Mateo says:

    LOVED this episode, glad to see everyone else did too. It was good to see Charlie & Des again.
    Where have we seen the limo driver from? He looks soooo familiar!

    P.S., what are the Vegas odds on the annoying Tina Fey chick getting killed? I hope its soon but somehow there is always a gun pointed at her but no one fires!!

  70. Point of No Return says:

    [quote comment="373104"]LOVED this episode, glad to see everyone else did too. It was good to see Charlie & Des again.
    Where have we seen the limo driver from? He looks soooo familiar!

    P.S., what are the Vegas odds on the annoying Tina Fey chick getting killed? I hope its soon but somehow there is always a gun pointed at her but no one fires!![/quote]
    _________

    ha! apparently the island isn’t done with her either…

  71. Lostfan says:

    [quote comment="373104"]LOVED this episode, glad to see everyone else did too. It was good to see Charlie & Des again.
    Where have we seen the limo driver from? He looks soooo familiar!

    P.S., what are the Vegas odds on the annoying Tina Fey chick getting killed? I hope its soon but somehow there is always a gun pointed at her but no one fires!![/quote]

    Limo Driver = Minkowski from the Freighter. He was the first fatality of Nose Bleed Time Traveling Syndrome. Died on the ship’s infirmary (strapped to his bed) while his mind was time traveling to a carnival.

  72. Pterradon says:

    [quote comment="373104"]LOVED this episode, glad to see everyone else did too. It was good to see Charlie & Des again.
    Where have we seen the limo driver from? He looks soooo familiar!

    P.S., what are the Vegas odds on the annoying Tina Fey chick getting killed? I hope its soon but somehow there is always a gun pointed at her but no one fires!![/quote]

    I don’t understand why Sayid let Tina Fey go. He doesn’t mind killing anyone else. She will certainly bring the troops. Does he not kill women?

  73. Lost Addict says:

    Such a great episode – I really loved this one check out our full recap over at AP.

    http://www.atomicpopcorn.net/lost-6-11-review-happily-ever-where-brotha/

  74. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="373102"]I would love some insight on this. Why would Kate’s name NOT be on the wall? What did she do any differently than the rest of the candidates? If this has already been discussed I apologize and would love a link to the discussion. I did notice that when we were in Jacob’s cave that Kate’s name was not on the wall, just thought it was in the interest of saving time that they didn’t show it.[/quote]

    Characters lie. Flocke has ulterior motives that would give him reason to say whatever he has to in order to secure Claire’s cooperation. (I am of the belief that he has to get people to leave the island WILLINGLY.)

    Kate’s name is on the lighthouse, NOT crossed off. We didn’t see her name on the wall, doesn’t mean it isn’t. She just wasn’t one of *the* numbers.

    : ) P

  75. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="373099"][quote comment="373095"]
    They are each others’ constants.
    [/quote]

    Thanks, I forgot about that little detail, but I thought the significance of the constant was during conscious time travel..[/quote]

    Well this is where I think we are headed. I feel as if our flashsideways is a version of consciousness travel – to what WOULD have happened.

    JMO

    : ) P

  76. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="373111"][quote comment="373099"][quote comment="373095"]
    They are each others’ constants.
    [/quote]

    Thanks, I forgot about that little detail, but I thought the significance of the constant was during conscious time travel..[/quote]

    Well this is where I think we are headed. I feel as if our flashsideways is a version of consciousness travel – to what WOULD have happened.

    JMO

    : ) P[/quote]
    Agreed…except for the WOULD have happened part. I think it(detonation and plane not crashing) very much did happen and Des’s job is help course correct and combine the timelines.

  77. Pterradon says:

    [quote comment="373111"][quote comment="373099"][quote comment="373095"]
    They are each others’ constants.
    [/quote]

    Thanks, I forgot about that little detail, but I thought the significance of the constant was during conscious time travel..[/quote]

    Well this is where I think we are headed. I feel as if our flashsideways is a version of consciousness travel – to what WOULD have happened.

    JMO

    : ) P[/quote]
    I can understand Charlie’s constant of Claire (and will probably run into her somewhere) and Desmond’s constant of Penny, but can Daniel’s constant be physics?

  78. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="373102"]
    CLAIRE: Now when we go home, Aaron’s not going to know me. Stranger to my own son. He thinks Kate’s his mother. Was her name on the wall?

    LOCKE: No, Claire… it isn’t. Not anymore. But I need Kate.

    [/quote]
    I agree with PJ’s comment. Also, look at the line you posted above the Locke said: …”it isn’t. Not anymore.” To me this suggests that it was on the wall but she no longer or never really was a ‘good’ candidate and therefore removed.

  79. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="373113"][quote comment="373111"][quote comment="373099"][quote comment="373095"]
    They are each others’ constants.
    [/quote]

    Thanks, I forgot about that little detail, but I thought the significance of the constant was during conscious time travel..[/quote]

    Well this is where I think we are headed. I feel as if our flashsideways is a version of consciousness travel – to what WOULD have happened.

    JMO

    : ) P[/quote]
    I can understand Charlie’s constant of Claire (and will probably run into her somewhere) and Desmond’s constant of Penny, but can Daniel’s constant be physics?[/quote]
    Actually, I think Desmond is Dan’s…but using love interest’s, he said something about a blue eyed beauty (Charlotte).

  80. sector7 says:

    So I think things are being set up nicely at the FSW hospital. I bet AltCharlie finds AltClaire there.

    Wonder if FSW Hugo will see FSW Libby…

  81. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="373108"][quote comment="373104"]LOVED this episode, glad to see everyone else did too. It was good to see Charlie & Des again.
    Where have we seen the limo driver from? He looks soooo familiar!

    P.S., what are the Vegas odds on the annoying Tina Fey chick getting killed? I hope its soon but somehow there is always a gun pointed at her but no one fires!![/quote]

    I don’t understand why Sayid let Tina Fey go. He doesn’t mind killing anyone else. She will certainly bring the troops. Does he not kill women?[/quote]
    It has been the M O of MIB. Send one back to tell the other side that the war is coming

  82. Bob from Oxford says:

    Desmond episodes are the BEST! I think they could made the show “Desmond” instead of “Lost” and had the entire show revolve around Des.

    Am I the only one who noticed the guy at the beginning going into the EMF machine and knowing he was going to get fried, AND they had RED lights shine on his shirt?? Red shirt? Awesome.

    The only thing I am confused about is the time difference between when Desmond was in the hospital to when Widmore brought him to the island. Are we to assume Widmore brought Desmond directly to the island from the hospital? If so, isn’t there a large gap in the timeline? I mean, how long have Jack, Kate, Sun etc. been on the island since they left on 316? Weeks?

    Overall, another excellent episode!

  83. HollyP says:

    [quote comment="373097"][quote comment="373073"]

    Just fantastic. Des’ reaction to Sayid and willingness to walk off with him really puzzled me, however. Does he see and understand what he has to do, but it’s NOT going to be Widmore’s plan?[/quote]

    At that point, when Desmond wakes up, he’s flashed. It’s the Desmond that just met Penny at the bleechers. He’s ready to roll.

    The problem here is that Widmores time table is slightly off. First of all, that goofy chick fired darts at MIBs camp too early, and then Widmore put Desmond into the flash booth too early, AND THEN… Desmond found out about Penny too early…

    My guess is that things never really go quite according to plan for Widmore… which rules. Hopefully things never go quite according to plan for Jacob either.[/quote]

    That is why Eloise told Desmond that it was too early for him to meet Penny. Personally I think Eloise is trying to manipulate things so that Daniel doesn’t died.

    I also like the Penny + Jack = David idea.

  84. Pterradon says:

    [quote comment="373115"][quote comment="373113"][quote comment="373111"][quote comment="373099"][quote comment="373095"]
    They are each others’ constants.
    [/quote]

    Thanks, I forgot about that little detail, but I thought the significance of the constant was during conscious time travel..[/quote]

    Well this is where I think we are headed. I feel as if our flashsideways is a version of consciousness travel – to what WOULD have happened.

    JMO

    : ) P[/quote]
    I can understand Charlie’s constant of Claire (and will probably run into her somewhere) and Desmond’s constant of Penny, but can Daniel’s constant be physics?[/quote]
    Actually, I think Desmond is Dan’s…but using love interest’s, he said something about a blue eyed beauty (Charlotte).[/quote]
    That’s right. I forgot that that constant was already established.

  85. HollyP says:

    [quote comment="373100"][quote comment="373098"]Dig this: John Locke (4) was added by Richard. Richard, for the first time in 1954 had finally discovered a candidiate (John Locke) and he was so special that he needed to be number 4. BUT, without Richard, the next candidate should have been Hurley (8)… John Locke is the add on. Man In Black SHOULD have been Hurley.[/quote]

    Sorry if I don’t understand, but do you mind explaining this? I’m intrigued…[/quote]

    Richard only found Locke because 2004 timetravelling Locke told Richard in 1953 when/where he was born and that he was a future leader of the Others.

    But this is kind of circular logic.

  86. Hammer says:

    I am wondering what is triggering the FSW characters to ‘feel’ the original time line. Charlie and Dan both had them before they met up with Desmond. Other characters have had goofy ‘deja vu’ looks on their faces but didn’t say anything.

    Des’s trigger was quite obvious, but just wondering.

  87. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="373077"][quote comment="373074"]what do we make of desmond and penny “meeting” at the stadium where jack and training-for-a-sail-around-the-world des met way back when?[/quote]

    Penny goes there to work-out, as she did with her ex-husband…Jack.

    Jack’s son inherited the Widmore family musical ability, as did Daniel.

    How’s that for wild speculation?[/quote]
    I don’t think so. FSW Penny’s last name is Milton. Her maiden name is Widmore so obviously she was married to some guy named Milton – not Jack.

  88. HollyP says:

    Sorry, hit send too soon.

    So who told Locke in the first place that he was the One? It was “Jacob in the cabin”, but Ilana said Jacob wasn’t in the cabin for a long time. Thus maybe it was MIB in cabin masquerading as Jacob? Thus MIB putting his plan in motion.

  89. HollyP says:

    In th[quote comment="373123"] FSW Penny’s last name is Milton. Her maiden name is Widmore so obviously she was married to some guy named Milton – not Jack.[/quote]

    Penny may be using her mother’s surname in FSW, since her mother presumably never married Widmore. Widmore remained married to Eloise, and their child (Daniel) carried the name Widmore.

    In the original timeline, Widmore and Eloise did not stay together. Daniel used a different last name from both his parents, and presumably never knew Widmore was his father.

  90. intolost says:

    Hey, wasn’t the limo driver Claire and Kate’s driver out of LAX??? Maybe not. Yeah, we have to have seen him before. He does look familiar. OOOOHHH!!!! It’s the guy who died on the frieghter in front of Des!!!! That’s it!!! I forgot his name. He was the ship’s doctor, wasn’t he???

  91. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="373112"]
    Agreed…except for the WOULD have happened part. I think it(detonation and plane not crashing) very much did happen and Des’s job is help course correct and combine the timelines.[/quote]

    I didn’t make myself clear, that’s my fault, sorry. When I said “what would have happened” I meant, “what DID happen” because of the detonation.

    I agree with Desmond’s job being course correction and that Mrs. Hawking/Widmore has known this all along.

    : ) P

  92. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="373126"]Hey, wasn’t the limo driver Claire and Kate’s driver out of LAX??? Maybe not. Yeah, we have to have seen him before. He does look familiar. OOOOHHH!!!! It’s the guy who died on the frieghter in front of Des!!!! That’s it!!! I forgot his name. He was the ship’s doctor, wasn’t he???[/quote]

    See posts 22 and 23.

    : ) P

  93. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="373127"][quote comment="373112"]
    Agreed…except for the WOULD have happened part. I think it(detonation and plane not crashing) very much did happen and Des’s job is help course correct and combine the timelines.[/quote]

    I didn’t make myself clear, that’s my fault, sorry. When I said “what would have happened” I meant, “what DID happen” because of the detonation.

    I agree with Desmond’s job being course correction and that Mrs. Hawking/Widmore has known this all along.

    : ) P[/quote]
    Thank goodness. For a minute there….I thought you changed your thinking. LOL.

  94. m says:

    who else has “you are everybody” stuck in their head like a their own personal time loop?

  95. LostGrrl says:

    [quote comment="373122"]I am wondering what is triggering the FSW characters to ‘feel’ the original time line. Charlie and Dan both had them before they met up with Desmond. Other characters have had goofy ‘deja vu’ looks on their faces but didn’t say anything.

    Des’s trigger was quite obvious, but just wondering.[/quote]

    Charlie had his “feel” moment at the point of near death. But Daniel had his when he saw Charlotte. Des had his in a moment of crisis. Not sure how any relate. And so, not sure how Desmond will trigger the other Oceanic passengers to have their moments.

  96. Lostfan says:

    [quote comment="373122"]I am wondering what is triggering the FSW characters to ‘feel’ the original time line. Charlie and Dan both had them before they met up with Desmond. Other characters have had goofy ‘deja vu’ looks on their faces but didn’t say anything.

    Des’s trigger was quite obvious, but just wondering.[/quote]

    I read a theory on another blog that says the FSW bleed-throughs have to do with loss of consciousness. Charlie’s bleed through happened when he passed out after swallowing the bag of heroin. Daniel’s happened while sleeping. Sun hits her head – we’ll assume she passed out momentarily – and boom – she speaks only Korean. Des on island was sedated for three days. I think we’re seeing glimpses of bleed-throughs happening both on island and off.

  97. sector7 says:

    Now I’m thinking the reason for the altverse is to hide the truth from everyone. The altverse is a charade, similar to the matrix. One clue is that before you die, when your life “flashes before your eyes”, you see your true life flash – not the fake one.

  98. LostGrrl says:

    A few weeks ago, the LOST producers teased fans about what the island was really about. They said it was a 4-letter word, with an O in it.

    Last week it seemed the answer was CORK, as in, the thing that’s holding the evil in.

    But I think this episode makes an argument that the word is LOVE. Love is what seems to tie the Island and Sideways worlds. How? Will the Losties be able to choose between worlds? I dunno. My brain hurts.

  99. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="373125"]In th[quote comment="373123"] FSW Penny’s last name is Milton. Her maiden name is Widmore so obviously she was married to some guy named Milton – not Jack.[/quote]

    Penny may be using her mother’s surname in FSW, since her mother presumably never married Widmore. Widmore remained married to Eloise, and their child (Daniel) carried the name Widmore.
    [/quote]
    Good call. I have to agree with that.

  100. justguessing says:

    My take on the episode was that the sideways flash is their life after MIB got off of the island. Widemore said if MIB gets off of the island then all of your loved ones would cease to exist or be gone. He did not say die because they arent dead… you just dont know them. Charlie and Desomond are having flashes because both were gone before the bomb released MIB. Charilie died and Desmond just left. Farraday said the bomb released a huge energy into the world. We know that the black smoke is some form of energy from the electricity sparks.

  101. Lind says:

    [quote comment="373127"][quote comment="373112"]
    Agreed…except for the WOULD have happened part. I think it(detonation and plane not crashing) very much did happen and Des’s job is help course correct and combine the timelines.[/quote]

    I didn’t make myself clear, that’s my fault, sorry. When I said “what would have happened” I meant, “what DID happen” because of the detonation.

    I agree with Desmond’s job being course correction and that Mrs. Hawking/Widmore has known this all along.

    : ) P[/quote]

    I understand that Desmond has the ability to combine the two timelines, and that he is likely going to try to do so now… but why? What is the purpose of combining the timelines?

    I’m not asking this rhetorically… it seems that you and Hammer have it all figured out, and I’d like to know what you’re alluding to.

  102. Lind says:

    [quote comment="373131"][quote comment="373122"]I am wondering what is triggering the FSW characters to ‘feel’ the original time line. Charlie and Dan both had them before they met up with Desmond. Other characters have had goofy ‘deja vu’ looks on their faces but didn’t say anything.

    Des’s trigger was quite obvious, but just wondering.[/quote]

    Charlie had his “feel” moment at the point of near death. But Daniel had his when he saw Charlotte. Des had his in a moment of crisis. Not sure how any relate. And so, not sure how Desmond will trigger the other Oceanic passengers to have their moments.[/quote]

    I want to know why Desmond thinks the key lies in the plane manifest… How could he know that the members of his flight have anything to do with an alternate timeline?

    He knows that Charlie and Jack were on the plane with him… but Daniel wasn’t. And Penny wasn’t. So what would lead him to believe that the members of his flight are significant to what he has to do?

  103. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="373137"][quote comment="373127"][quote comment="373112"]
    Agreed…except for the WOULD have happened part. I think it(detonation and plane not crashing) very much did happen and Des’s job is help course correct and combine the timelines.[/quote]

    I didn’t make myself clear, that’s my fault, sorry. When I said “what would have happened” I meant, “what DID happen” because of the detonation.

    I agree with Desmond’s job being course correction and that Mrs. Hawking/Widmore has known this all along.

    : ) P[/quote]

    I understand that Desmond has the ability to combine the two timelines, and that he is likely going to try to do so now… but why? What is the purpose of combining the timelines?

    I’m not asking this rhetorically… it seems that you and Hammer have it all figured out, and I’d like to know what you’re alluding to.[/quote]
    For what they have been telling us all along…to save the world…most likely from MIB.

  104. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="373138"][quote comment="373131"][quote comment="373122"]I am wondering what is triggering the FSW characters to ‘feel’ the original time line. Charlie and Dan both had them before they met up with Desmond. Other characters have had goofy ‘deja vu’ looks on their faces but didn’t say anything.

    Des’s trigger was quite obvious, but just wondering.[/quote]

    Charlie had his “feel” moment at the point of near death. But Daniel had his when he saw Charlotte. Des had his in a moment of crisis. Not sure how any relate. And so, not sure how Desmond will trigger the other Oceanic passengers to have their moments.[/quote]

    I want to know why Desmond thinks the key lies in the plane manifest… How could he know that the members of his flight have anything to do with an alternate timeline?

    He knows that Charlie and Jack were on the plane with him… but Daniel wasn’t. And Penny wasn’t. So what would lead him to believe that the members of his flight are significant to what he has to do?[/quote]
    He is remembering things slowly (flight 815, the survivors, etc), just like the first the first time he flashed in time. Since he’s experienced this before, he knows better what to look for.

  105. Nikki says:

    Which flight was it when Jack and Desmond were sitting next to each other and then he was gone? Is that flight 815 also? But then was walking through terminal and runs into Clare? He obviously was jumping through time on the plane also? I am confused.

  106. Shadow says:

    [quote comment="373101"][quote comment="373100"][quote comment="373098"]Dig this: John Locke (4) was added by Richard. Richard, for the first time in 1954 had finally discovered a candidiate (John Locke) and he was so special that he needed to be number 4. BUT, without Richard, the next candidate should have been Hurley (8)… John Locke is the add on. Man In Black SHOULD have been Hurley.[/quote]

    Sorry if I don’t understand, but do you mind explaining this? I’m intrigued…[/quote]

    Well, theres the numbers… and then there was the numbers turning into “the six” numbers from Hurleys lottery. 4 8 (I dont remember them all) 23 48… but they are all the six names. They may or may not be the candidates, but there is six candidiates… LOCKE was number 4 on MIBs ceiling, and he crossed that name off, after he became Locke. Now he wants to get on a plane, as Locke, the first candidate. (I think)

    But, LOcke was brought in under false pretenses. He told Richard that he was the next leader, and that he was brought by Jacob. Richard followed him, and was convinced that he was the next thing (remember the drawing of the smoke monster..) truth is that Locke was brought in to be MIB… OR Locke was brought in as a fake to be the next MIB, therefore making MIB a fake candidate (or one who will die?) and leaving open a spot for a different “sixth” candidate.

    I’ve been drinking high lifes, but I think the candidate might “really” be Desmond. BUt I’ve got a whole number system that I avent (fully) figured out yet.[/quote]

    Thanks for the explanation, very interesting. Good point about the drawing of the smoke monster!

  107. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="373141"]Which flight was it when Jack and Desmond were sitting next to each other and then he was gone? Is that flight 815 also? But then was walking through terminal and runs into Clare? He obviously was jumping through time on the plane also? I am confused.[/quote]
    It was the second flight of 815(in the FSW). But, Desmond did not physically flash off the plane…he just moved to a part of the plane where Jack didn’t see him anymore. Desmond has never done physical time travel, only conscious time travel.

  108. Nikki says:

    When Desmond requested the manifest was that the Island Desmond asking for it? What will he do with it?

  109. Nikki says:

    [quote comment="373143"][quote comment="373141"]Which flight was it when Jack and Desmond were sitting next to each other and then he was gone? Is that flight 815 also? But then was walking through terminal and runs into Clare? He obviously was jumping through time on the plane also? I am confused.[/quote]
    It was the second flight of 815(in the FSW). But, Desmond did not physically flash off the plane…he just moved to a part of the plane where Jack didn’t see him anymore. Desmond has never done physical time travel, only conscious time travel.[/quote]
    Okay right I forgot he doesn’t physically travel.Thanks.

  110. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="373144"]When Desmond requested the manifest was that the Island Desmond asking for it? What will he do with it?[/quote]
    IMO, yes. He will use it to find the Losties and begin ‘fixing’ things to save the world…that is his purpose.

  111. little prince says:

    What i got out of this fantastic ep was the obvious underlying theme of love and the true connection each character has to thier respective “soul mates” is what wakes them up on the Island…Widmore and Eloise obviously know somthing we dont but i got an idea and i hope knowone has posted it yet..
    Desmonds trigger is Penny…Des is still alive in both timelines so he can “wake up” from his fsw “dream” or premonision (that all our characters that are still alive are having in thier fsw) of what would of happened if they never crashed…Charlie is dead on the island along with faraday so they cant wake up…but they can somehow “show” des…and now that he knows…hes gonna find all our alive characters and wake them up 1 at a time by showing them thier trigger or love:
    Hurley – Libby
    Sawyer – Julliette
    Jack – Kate??
    Jin – Sun
    Ben – Alex..(shes known to him in both but he could remeber raising her)
    Sayid – Nadia (the good ole days..not the one where shes married to his bro)
    locke is dead and in love off the island so he kinda throws a wrench in this plan but thats my jist of it….thoughts?

  112. Amber says:

    [quote comment="373133"]Now I’m thinking the reason for the altverse is to hide the truth from everyone. The altverse is a charade, similar to the matrix. One clue is that before you die, when your life “flashes before your eyes”, you see your true life flash – not the fake one.[/quote]

    Love Love Love it!!! Thats what I have been thinking but having been able to figure out how to put it. So is it the MIB winning who has them in the alternate universe or the bomb going off?

  113. Luc Besson says:

    [quote comment="373129"][quote comment="373127"][quote comment="373112"]
    Agreed…except for the WOULD have happened part. I think it(detonation and plane not crashing) very much did happen and Des’s job is help course correct and combine the timelines.[/quote]

    I didn’t make myself clear, that’s my fault, sorry. When I said “what would have happened” I meant, “what DID happen” because of the detonation.

    I agree with Desmond’s job being course correction and that Mrs. Hawking/Widmore has known this all along.

    : ) P[/quote]
    Thank goodness. For a minute there….I thought you changed your thinking. LOL.[/quote]
    _______

    So are you both saying Eloise and Charles KNOW about the alternate “realities” and about Des’ gift? Is this what you mean by course correction?

    I got a feeling (especially Eloise) knew exactly what was going on and they (Eloise and Charles) had made some sort of pact with the MIB (given the island has been destroyed/sank in FSW). The language Eloise uses illustrates some sort of contractual language almost regarding her ulterior motive. In this reality (FSW) she is happily married and her son is alive and a thriving musician…

  114. Miss lost says:

    [quote comment="373073"]OK, Show of hands, please …who else shrieked and fell out of their chair when Sideways Charlie held his hand up to the car window, and Des flashed to “Not Penny’s Boat”?

    “Holy c###, here we go!!” I thought–the giddiness you feel in the second the rollercoaster pauses at the top of the rise, just before it goes hurtling down.

    Just fantastic. Des’ reaction to Sayid and willingness to walk off with him really puzzled me, however. Does he see and understand what he has to do, but it’s NOT going to be Widmore’s plan?[/quote]

    ******************
    Desmond did have an ah ha moment. He gets it. He has experienced this before and I believe he has some sort of clarity about what he needs to do. He has now seen the FSW and knows that he is not with Penny.
    I don’t think Des wants to go with Sayid BUT he is holding the gun and Des is playing it safe. This is all happening pretty fast and Des will need to figure a few things out on the fly…
    Excitement to come…and I believe he will do what is needed to help Widmore, even if it is not all according to plan.

  115. Miss lost says:

    [quote comment="373076"]OH MY GOD! That was so cool. Classic Lost. Best ep in a long time.

    So I take it that the rules that don’t apply to Des are the rules of physics and the rules of AltEloise’s “game”. I wonder if only AltEloise knows or if AltCharles knows too.[/quote]
    *******************
    I think they both know…
    My question is WHY is Desmond special? Was he touched at some time in his life?

  116. Bob from Oxford says:

    What is the sacrifice Des will have to make?

  117. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="373149"][quote comment="373129"][quote comment="373127"][quote comment="373112"][/quote][/quote]
    [/quote]
    _______

    So are you both saying Eloise and Charles KNOW about the alternate “realities” and about Des’ gift? Is this what you mean by course correction?

    I got a feeling (especially Eloise) knew exactly what was going on and they (Eloise and Charles) had made some sort of pact with the MIB (given the island has been destroyed/sank in FSW). The language Eloise uses illustrates some sort of contractual language almost regarding her ulterior motive. In this reality (FSW) she is happily married and her son is alive and a thriving musician…[/quote]
    I am saying Eloise know for sure and Widmore knows in the original timeline. Yes, course corrections means that Des will doing things to help make sure that they fix the problems they created by detonating the bomb and to stop MIB thus saving the world.

  118. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="373152"]What is the sacrifice Des will have to make?[/quote]
    IMO, he will have to die in the original time line to make the FSW timeline ‘good’. Actually, I think pretty much everyone will have to die in the original timeline for the two timelines to mesh.

  119. Luc Besson says:

    [quote comment="373152"]What is the sacrifice Des will have to make?[/quote]
    _____

    probably die. give his life to save penny/kid. that is what Widmore made it sound like.

  120. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="373150"][quote comment="373073"]OK, Show of hands, please …who else shrieked and fell out of their chair when Sideways Charlie held his hand up to the car window, and Des flashed to “Not Penny’s Boat”?

    “Holy c###, here we go!!” I thought–the giddiness you feel in the second the rollercoaster pauses at the top of the rise, just before it goes hurtling down.

    Just fantastic. Des’ reaction to Sayid and willingness to walk off with him really puzzled me, however. Does he see and understand what he has to do, but it’s NOT going to be Widmore’s plan?[/quote]

    ******************
    Desmond did have an ah ha moment. He gets it. He has experienced this before and I believe he has some sort of clarity about what he needs to do. He has now seen the FSW and knows that he is not with Penny.
    I don’t think Des wants to go with Sayid BUT he is holding the gun and Des is playing it safe. This is all happening pretty fast and Des will need to figure a few things out on the fly…
    Excitement to come…and I believe he will do what is needed to help Widmore, even if it is not all according to plan.[/quote]
    I got the feeling that Des is gonna follow Sayid, then out wit him. Since I think Sayid is a goner, maybe Des is the one that kills him.

  121. Miss lost says:

    [quote comment="373092"]Wow! That was the best episode this season. I am also puzzled why the blog is so quiet tonight. I just finished watching and figured there would be hundreds of posts by the time I logged on here.
    At the end of the episode, Desmond seemed to have a plan in FSW as he did on the island. How the heck does Eloise always seem to know what is going on?
    And what does Love have to do with Charlie, Faraday, and Des remembering their other timeline?[/quote]
    **************
    I can buy into the love of their lives being constants although I thought Daniel’s contstant was Desmond.
    Not all the characters knew they needed a constant…Desmond did know this and we know that his constant was Penny.
    I think that they are going to show “the power of LOVE!”
    Love is a powerful bond and when you experience that type of love it permeates the soul…can’t wipe that away…those powerful emotions will come back.
    I think that we can possibly see a transformation in Claire with her Love for Aaron…maybe LOVE can clense and heal the soul.
    Hoping the same can somehow be true for Sayid. If Desmond can help him reconcile his two timelines…if his love for Nadia can be strong enough in FSW maybe it can help “cure” his on island infection.

  122. Luc Besson says:

    [quote comment="373153"][quote comment="373149"][quote comment="373129"][quote comment="373127"][quote comment="373112"][/quote][/quote]
    [/quote]
    _______

    So are you both saying Eloise and Charles KNOW about the alternate “realities” and about Des’ gift? Is this what you mean by course correction?

    I got a feeling (especially Eloise) knew exactly what was going on and they (Eloise and Charles) had made some sort of pact with the MIB (given the island has been destroyed/sank in FSW). The language Eloise uses illustrates some sort of contractual language almost regarding her ulterior motive. In this reality (FSW) she is happily married and her son is alive and a thriving musician…[/quote]
    I am saying Eloise know for sure and Widmore knows in the original timeline. Yes, course corrections means that Des will doing things to help make sure that they fix the problems they created by detonating the bomb and to stop MIB thus saving the world.[/quote]
    _______

    Thanks. That makes sense. I love how the FSW has a feeling of what hell could really be like. Having “everything” yet longing for something you can’t have yet once were able to have or had…

    Des/Penny
    Charlie/Claire
    Faraday/C.S.

  123. little prince says:

    FOLLOW UP TO POST 112

    -i also think that when they detonated the bomb…that all of our losties that were there… expierienced the same EMP or whatever it is that desmond did while turning the fail safe key…and survived…but were slided into 2 realities..one where they are awake(island)…and the FSW…where they need to awaked from to become enlightened like desmond…and once they all are…they can finish this game and be with thier soul mates or loves…to do this some may need to realize that their loves are gone..and so too may those characters…Sayid, Locke, Sawyer, hurley..

  124. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="373152"]What is the sacrifice Des will have to make?[/quote]
    Right now I’m leaning towards Des’s sacrifice being his son Charlie.

  125. sector7 says:

    Des was like, “Brotha, I know I just busted out of a chair and got zapped by an energy blast that flung me to another universe, but that was some serious ninja shit you just pulled that killed a guy in 1 second… Go with you now? Aye!”

  126. justguessing says:

    [quote comment="373157"][quote comment="373092"]Wow! That was the best episode this season. I am also puzzled why the blog is so quiet tonight. I just finished watching and figured there would be hundreds of posts by the time I logged on here.
    At the end of the episode, Desmond seemed to have a plan in FSW as he did on the island. How the heck does Eloise always seem to know what is going on?
    And what does Love have to do with Charlie, Faraday, and Des remembering their other timeline?[/quote]
    **************
    I can buy into the love of their lives being constants although I thought Daniel’s contstant was Desmond.
    Not all the characters knew they needed a constant…Desmond did know this and we know that his constant was Penny.
    I think that they are going to show “the power of LOVE!”
    Love is a powerful bond and when you experience that type of love it permeates the soul…can’t wipe that away…those powerful emotions will come back.
    I think that we can possibly see a transformation in Claire with her Love for Aaron…maybe LOVE can clense and heal the soul.
    Hoping the same can somehow be true for Sayid. If Desmond can help him reconcile his two timelines…if his love for Nadia can be strong enough in FSW maybe it can help “cure” his on island infection.[/quote]
    I also think Love plays an important role. I also think that the flashes are what would happen if MIB got off of the island. Maybe we should rethink the word “Evil” as it pertains to MIB. They led us to believe that the world would end or there would be nothing but chaos. I think they meant simply the absence of Love. Widemore repeatedly says if MIB gets off of the island your loved ones would cease to exist… not “Die”. MIB has also used Love or the promise of Loved ones to convince both Sayid and Claire.

  127. Terse says:

    The last time that Desmond experienced the electromagnetic pulse he had a period where he could see the future, at least he kept trying to save Charlie. He must have lost it off the Island or he would have seen Ben coming. Could this be why Widmore subjected him to it? Perhaps he needs this power again?

  128. Miss lost says:

    [quote comment="373160"][quote comment="373152"]What is the sacrifice Des will have to make?[/quote]
    Right now I’m leaning towards Des’s sacrifice being his son Charlie.[/quote]
    *****************
    I would say NO WAY! As a parent I could not sacrifice my own child. Myself~ you bet, so I could see the sacrifice being Desmond. I am hoping that he has somehow had flashes of the future and so he knows what he needs to do.

    I think Desmond’s two timelines are coming together for him in his mind and the more he encountered the people from the plane that he also knew on the island things are starting to have some clarity. I think he asked for the manifest because he is realizing the connection between the two. He will somehow reconcile the two timelines by gathering them together on and off island (IMO)

  129. Jaime says:

    [quote comment="373147"]What i got out of this fantastic ep was the obvious underlying theme of love and the true connection each character has to thier respective “soul mates” is what wakes them up on the Island…Widmore and Eloise obviously know somthing we dont but i got an idea and i hope knowone has posted it yet..
    Desmonds trigger is Penny…Des is still alive in both timelines so he can “wake up” from his fsw “dream” or premonision (that all our characters that are still alive are having in thier fsw) of what would of happened if they never crashed…Charlie is dead on the island along with faraday so they cant wake up…but they can somehow “show” des…and now that he knows…hes gonna find all our alive characters and wake them up 1 at a time by showing them thier trigger or love:
    Hurley – Libby
    Sawyer – Julliette
    Jack – Kate??
    Jin – Sun
    Ben – Alex..(shes known to him in both but he could remeber raising her)
    Sayid – Nadia (the good ole days..not the one where shes married to his bro)
    locke is dead and in love off the island so he kinda throws a wrench in this plan but thats my jist of it….thoughts?[/quote]
    ********************************************

    This is exactly what i was thinking. Charlie told Des that he needed to go and find Penny. So Charlie will find Claire, Jack-Kate, Hurley-Libby, Sawyer-Juliet, Etc. I think Sayid will find Shannon and Locke already has Helen. Its all coming down to LOVE. Its nice but at the same time makes me go UGH.

  130. Guttahman says:

    [quote comment="373164"][quote comment="373160"][quote comment="373152"]What is the sacrifice Des will have to make?[/quote]
    Right now I’m leaning towards Des’s sacrifice being his son Charlie.[/quote]
    *****************
    I would say NO WAY! As a parent I could not sacrifice my own child. Myself~ you bet, so I could see the sacrifice being Desmond. I am hoping that he has somehow had flashes of the future and so he knows what he needs to do.

    I think Desmond’s two timelines are coming together for him in his mind and the more he encountered the people from the plane that he also knew on the island things are starting to have some clarity. I think he asked for the manifest because he is realizing the connection between the two. He will somehow reconcile the two timelines by gathering them together on and off island (IMO)[/quote]

    I dont think Sector7 meant sacrifice his son literally, but in the sense of not being able to be with him anymore, kinda like Dogen. Im actually leaning toward Des being the new Jacob, and his sacrifice would be having to stay on the island to protect it, and as we all know Des HATES the island and would pretty much do anything to be with Penny and Charlie, thus him having to stay on the island forever would be the ultimate sacrifice for him.

  131. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="373166"][quote comment="373164"][quote comment="373160"][quote comment="373152"]What is the sacrifice Des will have to make?[/quote]
    Right now I’m leaning towards Des’s sacrifice being his son Charlie.[/quote]
    *****************
    I would say NO WAY! As a parent I could not sacrifice my own child.[/quote]

    I dont think Sector7 meant sacrifice his son literally, but in the sense of not being able to be with him anymore, kinda like Dogen.[/quote]
    Bingo.

  132. Terse says:

    I agree that Desmond wouldn’t willingly sacrifice his son, but if he does something that commits to the FSW he is in effect doing just that… even if it he and penny had a child in the fsw it wouldn’t be the same one would it? So perhaps his sacrifice is committing to the FSW and thus chancing that his son will never be born?

  133. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="373167"][quote comment="373166"][quote comment="373164"][quote comment="373160"][quote comment="373152"]What is the sacrifice Des will have to make?[/quote]
    Right now I’m leaning towards Des’s sacrifice being his son Charlie.[/quote]
    *****************
    I would say NO WAY! As a parent I could not sacrifice my own child.[/quote]

    I dont think Sector7 meant sacrifice his son literally, but in the sense of not being able to be with him anymore, kinda like Dogen.[/quote]
    Bingo.[/quote]
    Many are sacrificing their kid for the island: Widmore & Eloise, Ben, Sawyer, both Kate & Claire gave up Aaron, Sun left Ji Yeon behind… Will Jack have to leave David?

  134. Marco says:

    I noticed something that I’ve not seen posted here so far.. When Des gets back and is in Charles’ office there is on the wall a painting that depicts a scale just like the one Smokey showed jack in the cave. Complete with white and black stones perfectly balanced. To me that means Charles understands that concept too.

  135. cesco says:

    Right before Juliet died, she said “It Worked”. Was she having a Charlie-Love-Of-Your-Life moment?

    Also Eloise is one fascinating character, she seems to be the only one aware of what happens in alternate timelines, having told Desmond before not to buy the ring for Penny, and now scolding him for looking for her. If she is aware then perhaps her motivation is to push for the FSW, as in that world she doesn’t kill her son, nor have to push him into physics, and allow him to pursue what he is gifted at (music). Her insistence that Daniel pursue physics seems to be based off her knowledge that it was Daniels physicist mind and his hydrogen bomb that created this utopia for her and Daniel.

  136. little prince says:

    So..alot of people on this blog seem to think that the replacement for jacob and MIB have to be good vs evil…what if its not…what if its just someone that would do ANYTHING to get off the island (MIB) and the one who is there to keep him there….if this is the case…maybe desmond isnt enlightend by what Widmore wants…but rather he realized that penny is not on the island…he made a promise to her to never leave her again…i am leaning towards DES being the new MIB and Jack as the Jacob…jack seems like he has been actually enlightened…DES was earie and wierd about it…

  137. SciFi Girl says:

    A couple people have said that they think FSW is what would happen if MIB is released or that it is a prison/hell/matrix.

    I think FSW is what the world would be like when the bomb was detonated in 1977. My interpretation is that everything in every character’s life was slightly different from 1977 on, including the plane landing in LA (Ben and dad left the island, Jack had a kid, Sun and Jin are not married, etc.). As Juliet said, “It worked,” and as Daniel said last night, “I think I already did” when asked whether he was planning to set a bomb off.

    I’m not sure why they are having flashes now. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that they recently were on Oceanic 815 and their island-time-selves are now on the island whereas their FSW selves are in LA. I definitely think other characters’ long glances in the mirror this season and Jack’s questioning when is appendix was removed are indications that they are having flashes as well.

    I think the whole release of MIB/destroy the world plot is still playing out.

    Also, I agree with the theory that Desmond’s sacrifice will be staying on the island, whether he is “the candidate” or not.

  138. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="373171"]Right before Juliet died, she said “It Worked”. Was she having a Charlie-Love-Of-Your-Life moment?[/quote]
    Hmmm. At first I thought Jules was seeing the altDes & altPenny moment we saw last night “let’s go have coffee”, but now I’m not so sure. If this is on par with what happened to altCharlie, Jules was about to die and saw a moment of her life flash before her eyes.

  139. Hurley's Dad says:

    [quote comment="373163"]The last time that Desmond experienced the electromagnetic pulse he had a period where he could see the future, at least he kept trying to save Charlie. He must have lost it off the Island or he would have seen Ben coming. Could this be why Widmore subjected him to it? Perhaps he needs this power again?[/quote]

    It’s generally assumed Des lost his ability to see the future when Charlie hit him with the oar in the S3 finale. Before Charlie died he asked Des “any more flashes?” Des said “no, nothing…”

  140. Laura says:

    A couple of people have posted that Desmond went with Sayid. We do not know this as a fact, the episode ended with Desmond saying he’d go with him, but what we saw was Sayid turning his back on Des to walk into the jungle. I’m just saying.

  141. twin field says:

    [quote comment="373176"]A couple of people have posted that Desmond went with Sayid. We do not know this as a fact, the episode ended with Desmond saying he’d go with him, but what we saw was Sayid turning his back on Des to walk into the jungle. I’m just saying.[/quote]

    Why does Desmond flash sideways at this point? Is he unconscious on the island when he revives at the stadium?

  142. dealer says:

    that was the best episode in a loooooooooooooooooooooooooong time, probly the best ever.

  143. Fast Eddie S says:

    [quote comment="373092"]Wow! That was the best episode this season. I am also puzzled why the blog is so quiet tonight. I just finished watching and figured there would be hundreds of posts by the time I logged on here.
    At the end of the episode, Desmond seemed to have a plan in FSW as he did on the island. How the heck does Eloise always seem to know what is going on?
    And what does Love have to do with Charlie, Faraday, and Des remembering their other timeline?[/quote]
    Eloise and Charles know what’s generally going to happen because they got Daniel’s journal after Eloise killed Dan. What she read in there must have been convincing, as she was willing to help detonate a nuke on her island!

    The drawing in Dan’s Journal (Lostpedia) of space-time diverging from and then converging with imaginary time, perhaps show how FSW and island time will eventually unite.

    The last thing in Pandora’s (magic?) box after the evils escaped was hOpe.

  144. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="373174"][quote comment="373171"]Right before Juliet died, she said “It Worked”. Was she having a Charlie-Love-Of-Your-Life moment?[/quote]
    Hmmm. At first I thought Jules was seeing the altDes & altPenny moment we saw last night “let’s go have coffee”, but now I’m not so sure. If this is on par with what happened to altCharlie, Jules was about to die and saw a moment of her life flash before her eyes.[/quote]
    Charlotte also saw her life flash before her eyes before she died.

  145. Lind says:

    [quote comment="373179"][quote comment="373092"]Wow! That was the best episode this season. I am also puzzled why the blog is so quiet tonight. I just finished watching and figured there would be hundreds of posts by the time I logged on here.
    At the end of the episode, Desmond seemed to have a plan in FSW as he did on the island. How the heck does Eloise always seem to know what is going on?
    And what does Love have to do with Charlie, Faraday, and Des remembering their other timeline?[/quote]
    Eloise and Charles know what’s generally going to happen because they got Daniel’s journal after Eloise killed Dan. What she read in there must have been convincing, as she was willing to help detonate a nuke on her island!

    The drawing in Dan’s Journal (Lostpedia) of space-time diverging from and then converging with imaginary time, perhaps show how FSW and island time will eventually unite.

    The last thing in Pandora’s (magic?) box after the evils escaped was hOpe.[/quote]

    That makes so much sense, as to why Eloise is so enlightened… she got the journal in 1977! Now it seems so obvious.

    So, she and Widmore read the journal, escaped the island after the bomb went off, and vowed to live their sideways lives as protectors of the alternate world… hoping that no one would be able to link the two. They think that by providing some key characters with what they want (Desmond gets status and Widmore’s approval, Daniel gets to be the musician he wanted to be), they wouldn’t go sniffing around the walkway that smells of an alternate reality.

  146. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="373179"][quote comment="373092"]

    The last thing in Pandora’s (magic?) box after the evils escaped was hOpe.[/quote]

    “To love is to risk not being loved in return. To hope is to risk pain. To try is to risk failure, but risk must be taken because the greatest hazard in life is to risk nothing.”

    “Never let go of hope. One day you will see that it all has finally come together. What you have always wished for has finally come to be. You will look back and laugh at what has passed and you will ask yourself… ‘How did I get through all of that?”

    And the one that relates closest to the Pandora’s box story,

    “Hope is the worst of evils, for it prolongs the torment of man”

    We are working on a Pandora’s box themed show. In the origional story it is a urn, not a box and the Greeks considered hope to be as dangerous as all the world’s evils.

  147. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="373179"][quote comment="373092"]Wow! That was the best episode this season. I am also puzzled why the blog is so quiet tonight. I just finished watching and figured there would be hundreds of posts by the time I logged on here.
    At the end of the episode, Desmond seemed to have a plan in FSW as he did on the island. How the heck does Eloise always seem to know what is going on?
    And what does Love have to do with Charlie, Faraday, and Des remembering their other timeline?[/quote]
    Eloise and Charles know what’s generally going to happen because they got Daniel’s journal after Eloise killed Dan. What she read in there must have been convincing, as she was willing to help detonate a nuke on her island!

    The drawing in Dan’s Journal (Lostpedia) of space-time diverging from and then converging with imaginary time, perhaps show how FSW and island time will eventually unite.

    The last thing in Pandora’s (magic?) box after the evils escaped was hOpe.[/quote]
    Retry,
    “To love is to risk not being loved in return. To hope is to risk pain. To try is to risk failure, but risk must be taken because the greatest hazard in life is to risk nothing.”

    “Never let go of hope. One day you will see that it all has finally come together. What you have always wished for has finally come to be. You will look back and laugh at what has passed and you will ask yourself… ‘How did I get through all of that?”

    And the one that relates closest to the Pandora’s box story,

    “Hope is the worst of evils, for it prolongs the torment of man”

    We are working on a Pandora’s box themed show. In the origional story it is a urn, not a box and the Greeks considered hope to be as dangerous as all the world’s evils.

  148. Bacon Is My Constant says:

    I can’t get fully on board with the journal logic because it’s circular; Eloise is the one who gave Daniel the journal (EMPTY) in the first place. Daniel LATER went back to give it to his mom.

    It’s chicken vs. the egg.

  149. Bacon Is My Constant says:

    Circus Mom…the one quote about hope prolonging the torment of man triggered a “yes, but even false hope is hope” Christian Shephard reply in my head!

  150. Belle says:

    My thoughts exactly Guttahman. I’m so afraid Desmond will have to stay on the island to “save the world” and never be able to be with his family again.

    Another theory, (and this is way out there) but could Penny and Charlie come to live on the island with Des? Would they be our Adam and Eve. Was the blonde boy in the jungle actually Charlie? That’s probably too crazy.

    Daniel’s equation:

    space-time interval
    object @ light speed
    motion/time line/real time
    space line/real space/imaginary time

    I couldn’t catch what was on the left except T=0 (time?)

    The numbers on the MRI machine have to have significance because they purposely panned the camera up there.

    E1 ***
    A37. 2 15 C .46

    Any theories? Does Des have a number we haven’t seen yet? What numbers (concerning Eliose the rat)did Daniel tell Desmond to in order to convince him that they had met before? They have to mean something.

  151. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="373174"][quote comment="373171"]Right before Juliet died, she said “It Worked”. Was she having a Charlie-Love-Of-Your-Life moment?[/quote]
    Hmmm. At first I thought Jules was seeing the altDes & altPenny moment we saw last night “let’s go have coffee”, but now I’m not so sure. If this is on par with what happened to altCharlie, Jules was about to die and saw a moment of her life flash before her eyes.[/quote]
    Yup, up in the air for me too. I was convinced that Juliette was flashing and saw herself and Sawyer, but then they had Des and Penny do a ‘let’s meet for coffee’ scene. The only thing that has me holding out hope is that they didn’t say anything about going dutch…so maybe Jules and James will still have that scene.

  152. Bobola says:

    [quote comment="373176"]A couple of people have posted that Desmond went with Sayid. We do not know this as a fact, the episode ended with Desmond saying he’d go with him, but what we saw was Sayid turning his back on Des to walk into the jungle. I’m just saying.[/quote]
    ——-
    Yes, I agree. Des is gonna do Evil Sayid in. Pretty sure Sayid is under Smokey’s influence now.

    Wow, new Eloise is sure a Royal bitch;
    I used to do catering work when I was poor and I sure didn’t always know all the rules. It’s really the Catering Supervisor’s job to teach that stuff about butter knifes, etc. to staff. But I remember one Owner who had a rep as the biggest asshole. He was on TV pretending to be the nicest guy and was popular but all the peons who worked for him saw his screaming batshit crazy persona.
    Always wanted that T-shirt that says; Eat the Rich.
    And no, I’m not a Commie and think that people who wear Che T-shirts are idiots.

    So, my worst nightmare has come true;
    I have to hear DriveShaft again…even for a nano second.
    Wish Des had pulled the Scottish race card and said; “aint ye never eared o’ the greeat bands frum Scot-lund laddie? The Battlefield Band, Oyster Band, and Silly Wizard? No wonder yer musics crap!”

    If I was Desmond I would have beat the crap out of Charley for his stunt.
    “What, you can’t talk to me? Instead you have to try and drown us? And I’m taking a big chunk of your Royalties from your miserable song to pay for the car. Try gettin’ ye Heroin on credit!…brother!”

    Message to Charley; more money on hair plugs, less on Heroin…or kiss that music career adios. And maybe get Hurley in the band so you’ll look better (he can spare some hair for a wig) and you can cross over into the Latino Market. Yo quiero muchos persona!

    I love George the Driver; always love that device of the Driver who has connections and untapped knowledge. Classic cliche, but fun.

    Wow, it’s so neat to see Tina Fey as the Physicist!
    And maybe that’s what is wrong with the real Sarah Palin; she’s in the wrong timeline; she belongs back in the MIddle Ages.

    Just what Widmore needed; more lines on his face.
    Message to Desmond; choose your weapons to kill not enhance the victims age lines.

    Widmore’s taste in Art;
    Still abysmal in this time frame. The “Scales” painting…ouch. As bad as the last thing he had on the wall way back. Heavy handed metaphor there. Why not a nice Yin/Yang Asian art piece. You’d have the yokels going in TV land; “what’s that there thang on the wall?”

    Well, this episode was a step down for me;
    it’s like they got the Bruce Willis director to step in for a segment. I’m still riding the show and it probably won’t buck me off. But I’m saddle sore this week.

  153. IAmNotMIB says:

    [quote comment="373187"][quote comment="373174"][quote comment="373171"]Right before Juliet died, she said “It Worked”. Was she having a Charlie-Love-Of-Your-Life moment?[/quote]
    Hmmm. At first I thought Jules was seeing the altDes & altPenny moment we saw last night “let’s go have coffee”, but now I’m not so sure. If this is on par with what happened to altCharlie, Jules was about to die and saw a moment of her life flash before her eyes.[/quote]
    Yup, up in the air for me too. I was convinced that Juliette was flashing and saw herself and Sawyer, but then they had Des and Penny do a ‘let’s meet for coffee’ scene. The only thing that has me holding out hope is that they didn’t say anything about going dutch…so maybe Jules and James will still have that scene.[/quote]

    Perhaps Desmond and Penny will meet up with Sawyer and Juliet at the coffee shop.

  154. Belle says:

    [quote comment="373170"]I noticed something that I’ve not seen posted here so far.. When Des gets back and is in Charles’ office there is on the wall a painting that depicts a scale just like the one Smokey showed jack in the cave. Complete with white and black stones perfectly balanced.

    [/quote]

    I noticed the scale too. Previously on the other wall was a painting with the word Namaste on it.

  155. Fast Eddie S says:

    [quote comment="373059"]soo desmond can survive in an electromagnetic pocket or srea as seen. is this why he is special, or will he show the oceanic 815 passengers a new/present timeline[/quote]
    I think MIB is electromagnetic energy, and Desmond can stand up to MIB. Only 2 people survived the hatch meltdown at ground zero. Desmond and
    Locke.

  156. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="373191"][quote comment="373059"]soo desmond can survive in an electromagnetic pocket or srea as seen. is this why he is special, or will he show the oceanic 815 passengers a new/present timeline[/quote]
    I think MIB is electromagnetic energy, and Desmond can stand up to MIB. Only 2 people survived the hatch meltdown at ground zero. Desmond and
    Locke.[/quote]
    If you count Locke then you have to count Charlie from the first one and Sawyer, Kate, Jack et al from the second one.

  157. Bacon Is My Constant says:

    Eko as well. Only to be killed by Smoky.

  158. Snaisy says:

    By far the most exciting episode for me!!!! Alright, here are my thoughts!

    What if, the FSW is actually the true (first) version of the characters and the Lost version from season one and on is actually what has occurred after the FSW… in a way to course correct things so that MIB is back onto the island. If the MIB is ‘eveil’ i think its representing fear, then Love would fit nicely into bringing the MIB back onto the island since love will get rid of fear, since, in my opinion, fear is an illusion and perhaps, what happens when there is no love…and since love is all there is then fear is just an illusion (An illusion just like all the other potential version of yourself…but you get to choose which version you will be) So, what if the entire show, the episodes we have grown to love from the beginning did in fact happen and everyone met their soul mates and such bc of the events on the island, but only after the FSW occurred? And so the Bomb actually worked…as Juliet mentioned!!! And what if we the viewers have been observing the show beginning from the time they began to correct the FSW version and we are just now getting a gimps of the FSW although it is in hindsight. Also, when Widmore told des that if des does not help out, then Penny, their kid, would not exist…. maybe they would not exist in the version Des on the island knows about because the original version of their lives, Des was not with Penny and the circumstances which led to them having the kid. And so, if Des does not help out, then the version in the FSW would continue as it has.

    There may be some wholes in my story but this is what I’ve come up with thus far =o)

    Thoughts?

  159. bolddeceiver says:

    Forgive my short memory but why is everyone talking about Juliet in relation to Des and Penny going for coffee? What am I missing?

  160. Snaisy says:

    [quote comment="373195"]Forgive my short memory but why is everyone talking about Juliet in relation to Des and Penny going for coffee? What am I missing?[/quote]

    If my memory serves me correctly, its bc Juliet mentioned something about coffee right before she died… and Penny and Des are going to meet up at a coffee shop.

  161. LostLove says:

    [quote comment="373122"]I am wondering what is triggering the FSW characters to ‘feel’ the original time line. Charlie and Dan both had them before they met up with Desmond. Other characters have had goofy ‘deja vu’ looks on their faces but didn’t say anything.

    Des’s trigger was quite obvious, but just wondering.[/quote]

    Just remember what Juliet says to Miles, “It worked” The reason Charlie and Daniel “feel” something is not right is that they died in their “island” lives.
    Because of the bomb detonation in 1977 created a secondary timeline for our losties, ie the FSW, the fsw characters, for the most part are independent of their “island” counterparts, with a few exceptions. As I said before, the FSW characters will not remember anything about their “island” lives until the 2 timelines, or lives, merge. Merges can happen when the island self dies, ie Juliet, Daniel and Charlie. Daniel and Charlie’s FSW lives now feel tha tthere was a different life than the one they currently are living in the FSW timeline. We have yet to see Juliet’s FSW timeline, but I am still willing to bet that her FSW self is experiencing the same thing as Charlie and Daniel.
    The reason FSW Widmore and Eloise knows what is going on is due to them being on the island before the 1977 incident, so their past prior to ’77 did not change.
    The “strange” looks the other losties may have given each other at the airport is simply that they knew each other from their plane ride. If you watch these shows again, you will see their expressions as nothing more than that.
    Dez, of course, is special only due to the fact that he survived the electromagnetic energy explosion on the island. Prior to that, Widmore did not think he was special and hated him because he thought he was a simple spineless bum. Now, he knows he has a special gift to use. My guess is to somehow save Daniel from getting shot by Eloise and also to stop Jack from detonating the bomb in ’77.
    Whew, I’ll stop now. lol

  162. LizS says:

    [quote comment="373104"]
    P.S., what are the Vegas odds on the annoying Tina Fey chick getting killed? I hope its soon but somehow there is always a gun pointed at her but no one fires!![/quote]
    LOL, I’m with you there, brother!!!

  163. LostLove says:

    [quote comment="373146"][quote comment="373144"]When Desmond requested the manifest was that the Island Desmond asking for it? What will he do with it?[/quote]
    IMO, yes. He will use it to find the Losties and begin ‘fixing’ things to save the world…that is his purpose.[/quote]

    That was the FSW Des asking George the limo driver to get the 2nd plane’s mainifest.

  164. Rozee says:

    Long time reader first time comment:
    Two things – Widmore and Eloise in the FSW were on the island before the bomb and saw “their son” get killed, right? Why wouldn’t they remember that? Isn’t the premise that anyone who is in the FSW either never went to or got off the island before the bomb went off? Maybe they do remember it, and therefore know more about what is going on than the others in FSW.

    my other comment is just a theory that many have and is starting to make more sense to me, that the show will end the way it began, with the original crash on the beach. I think there will be a big war, the timelines will somehow merge, and at the point that MIB is about to leave the island and all is LOST, Widmore (with Des’ help) will provide the “energy” needed to reset time. This may not be the first time they reset time…they will keep resetting it until they get it right..until it can finally end “It only ends once, anything that happens before that is just progress”

    In this episode Des asked for the plane’s manifest because they’ll need everyone from the crash (including those that died and have been buried) in order to make the reset happen.

  165. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="373137"]I understand that Desmond has the ability to combine the two timelines, and that he is likely going to try to do so now… but why? What is the purpose of combining the timelines?

    I’m not asking this rhetorically… it seems that you and Hammer have it all figured out, and I’d like to know what you’re alluding to.[/quote]

    I believe that Eloise has *always* known about course correction and alternate timelines. Not sure how I know, but in “Flashes Before Your Eyes” it was present. (THAT, by the way, is one of the hundreds of reasons why I know this show has not been made up as they went along.)

    I believe that Widmore and Eloise both studied Daniel’s notebook after Eloise shot him in 1977, and knew how the “second time around” was going to have to go to make things right.

    : ) P

  166. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="373187"]I was convinced that Juliette was flashing and saw herself and Sawyer, but then they had Des and Penny do a ‘let’s meet for coffee’ scene. The only thing that has me holding out hope is that they didn’t say anything about going dutch…so maybe Jules and James will still have that scene.[/quote]

    *I* am hoping that when Penny and Desmond meet at that coffee shop, we will see Juliet and Sawyer there, too.

    : ) P

  167. Duke says:

    [quote comment="373122"]I am wondering what is triggering the FSW characters to ‘feel’ the original time line. Charlie and Dan both had them before they met up with Desmond. Other characters have had goofy ‘deja vu’ looks on their faces but didn’t say anything.

    Des’s trigger was quite obvious, but just wondering.[/quote]
    I understood that Charlie’s near death experience was his trigger. If this is the case I would be willing to bet that SUn will experience something since she was shot.

  168. twin field says:

    There is power in hands. We’ve already seen and talked about how many reject MIB’s hand. In this episode, we have Charlie’s hand that jolts Desmond’s memory, and we have Penny’s hand that shifts his consciousness back to the island. What happens when someone touches MIB’s hand? Does it keep the survivors’ lives completely separate? Sawyer, for instance, touched his hand on the ladder; will this keep him from remembering?

  169. Miss lost says:

    If Desmond were needed to stay on the island I could see Penny and Charlie joining him. I don’t think this is going to end with him having to be separated from Penny and Charlie..
    He made a promise to Penny and I think he will stay true to that. IMO they will be reunited.
    I like the idea that they could be the Adam and Eve from the cave and thus why they have him pictured by them.

  170. Shadow says:

    What exactly is in Faraday’s notebook which Eloise got in 1977 that could give them so much knowledge about what is going on?

  171. Scott Covert says:

    Note – situations like Jack or Desmond staying on the island “forever” could arise if (they believe that) their doppleganger in another “world” (we call flash sideways) got to live on happily – or that at the very least, their family is saved. Like Dogen’s deal.

    The episode where Des tracks down people in the O815 manifest should be called “Manifest Destiny”. Ok, that was bad.

  172. RuthyB says:

    [quote comment="373183"][quote comment="373179"][quote comment="373092"]

    The last thing in Pandora’s (magic?) box after the evils escaped was hOpe.[/quote]

    Retry,
    “To love is to risk not being loved in return. To hope is to risk pain. To try is to risk failure, but risk must be taken because the greatest hazard in life is to risk nothing.”

    “Never let go of hope. One day you will see that it all has finally come together. What you have always wished for has finally come to be. You will look back and laugh at what has passed and you will ask yourself… ‘How did I get through all of that?”

    And the one that relates closest to the Pandora’s box story,

    “Hope is the worst of evils, for it prolongs the torment of man”

    We are working on a Pandora’s box themed show. In the origional story it is a urn, not a box and the Greeks considered hope to be as dangerous as all the world’s evils.[/quote]

    Fast Eddie S. and Circus Mom – you two are brilliant.
    And Bobola – you are utterly intriguing…

  173. RuthyB says:

    And Snaisy’s got some dynamite grey matter, too… Thanks for the fresh fuel for thought.

  174. ereeste says:

    Hi sry if I repeat I only got 3/4’s the way through & i g2g so i need to post this then im out….

    Okay, First, in the FSW Widmore & Eloise have both still been on the island, as they were there prior to the bomb being detonated. So they would have knowledge of the island, & of the time travelers as well. So they are key players in both time lines.

    My second point is just thinking out loud about Sayid. The last Sayid ep when he met Nadia & her family, he was still normal, but then when he released Jin in the FSW, he seemed a little “off”. Later, he told Flocke, “I dont feel anything”. Did the darkness follow him into the FSW? If not, then maybe Des can find a way to reconnect him with his emotions, and thus throw a wrench into MIB’s plans with him on the island? Am I making any sense… this show hurts my brain…

  175. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="373199"][quote comment="373146"][quote comment="373144"]When Desmond requested the manifest was that the Island Desmond asking for it? What will he do with it?[/quote]
    IMO, yes. He will use it to find the Losties and begin ‘fixing’ things to save the world…that is his purpose.[/quote]

    That was the FSW Des asking George the limo driver to get the 2nd plane’s mainifest.[/quote]
    Yes, technically it was FSW Des…but it seemed to me that the FSW Des has realized what is going on, he had the same ‘cheery’ attitude as the Island Des. The light bulb is ‘on’ for both Des’.

  176. Jake says:

    [quote comment="373181"]That makes so much sense, as to why Eloise is so enlightened… she got the journal in 1977! Now it seems so obvious.

    So, she and Widmore read the journal, escaped the island after the bomb went off, and vowed to live their sideways lives as protectors of the alternate world… hoping that no one would be able to link the two. They think that by providing some key characters with what they want (Desmond gets status and Widmore’s approval, Daniel gets to be the musician he wanted to be), they wouldn’t go sniffing around the walkway that smells of an alternate reality.[/quote]

    I really like this theory. It makes a lot of sense to me, except do we know when Widmore left the island? It was post 1977 I suppose. But then what type of damage did the bomb do to the island? When did the Island sink to the bottom of the ocean? Or did it just get moved there with the frozen donkey wheel.

  177. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="373215"][quote comment="373181"]That makes so much sense, as to why Eloise is so enlightened… she got the journal in 1977! Now it seems so obvious.

    So, she and Widmore read the journal, escaped the island after the bomb went off, and vowed to live their sideways lives as protectors of the alternate world… hoping that no one would be able to link the two. They think that by providing some key characters with what they want (Desmond gets status and Widmore’s approval, Daniel gets to be the musician he wanted to be), they wouldn’t go sniffing around the walkway that smells of an alternate reality.[/quote]

    I really like this theory. It makes a lot of sense to me, except do we know when Widmore left the island? It was post 1977 I suppose. But then what type of damage did the bomb do to the island? When did the Island sink to the bottom of the ocean? Or did it just get moved there with the frozen donkey wheel.[/quote]
    I guess the question is:

    What happened to everyone else when the incident happened?

    The Losties flashed to ’07 and ’77 started over again, but what about everyone else that was on the island? The Others (Eloise et al)? Did they evacuate and sink the island?

  178. wally p says:

    [quote comment="373177"][quote comment="373176"]A couple of people have posted that Desmond went with Sayid. We do not know this as a fact, the episode ended with Desmond saying he’d go with him, but what we saw was Sayid turning his back on Des to walk into the jungle. I’m just saying.[/quote]

    Why does Desmond flash sideways at this point? Is he unconscious on the island when he revives at the stadium?[/quote]

    Its the other way around… when Des first wakes up in that Flash booth (or I should say, when Des first meets Penny…) he flips. The Des at the bleechers shakes Pennys hand and drops in front of her, and has the dream. This is why he KNOWS what he has to do…he met Penny, and suddenly BAM he’s on the island. but he doesnt really have any idea why he’s following Sayid (IMO) yet. I dont think he met Sayid yet in FSW. I’m assuming that once Desmond woke up in the bleechers, the island Desmond would have been a lot less “dreamy”…

  179. wally p says:

    [quote comment="373184"]I can’t get fully on board with the journal logic because it’s circular; Eloise is the one who gave Daniel the journal (EMPTY) in the first place.

    Daniel LATER went back to give it to his mom.

    It’s chicken vs. the egg.[/quote]

    Right, its not the opening of the circle… But, what I get from this, is that Eloises life is defined from the point in 1977 on… if Eloise gives Daniel a fresh journal every time, then the outcome is slightly different every time (Because Daniel is the variable…)

    what if Eloise has a whole collection of different Faraday journals somewhere….

  180. Jake says:

    [quote comment="373209"]The episode where Des tracks down people in the O815 manifest should be called “Manifest Destiny”. Ok, that was bad.[/quote]

    Not bad at all, a good pun and topical.

  181. wally p says:

    [quote comment="373218"][quote comment="373184"]I can’t get fully on board with the journal logic because it’s circular; Eloise is the one who gave Daniel the journal (EMPTY) in the first place.

    Daniel LATER went back to give it to his mom.

    It’s chicken vs. the egg.[/quote]

    Right, its not the opening of the circle… But, what I get from this, is that Eloises life is defined from the point in 1977 on… if Eloise gives Daniel a fresh journal every time, then the outcome is slightly different every time (Because Daniel is the variable…)

    what if Eloise has a whole collection of different Faraday journals somewhere….[/quote]

    Actually, I have a different idea on this… the journal doesnt have to be the chicken or the egg. Unlike the compass which has absolutely no start or end point, we don’t know enough about the journal to say there was no source.

    The journal could have been introduced for the first time any other way. Mrs. Hawking reading it, as opposed to Mrs. Widmore reading it is the difference… SAY that, Mrs. Hawking decided to put the notation in the book the second time, because the first time she recieved it it didn’t have one? Therefore she didn’t realize the importance of the book until it was too late? And they didnt listen to Jack and co. because they all sounded crazy, so they killed them, and the jughead fraction never went down.

    Her putting the notation in the journal the second time, would be a sure way that she would pay attention to it immediately the next time… just in time to converge with the Jack and Co. fraction…

    I missed some of Daniel and Des talking… did Daniel find his old journal and thats how he got the equations in the sideways? Or did he just have a vision of them?

  182. Bacon Is My Constant says:

    wally,
    he dreamed about the equation i believe; don’t remember…but i know there’s no journal in the FSW.

    what i was saying is that the journal was blank when she gave it to him at graduation.

    but as someone else pointed out, there could be more than one journal.

  183. Luc Besson says:

    [quote comment="373221"][quote comment="373218"][quote comment="373184"]I can’t get fully on board with the journal logic because it’s circular; Eloise is the one who gave Daniel the journal (EMPTY) in the first place.

    Daniel LATER went back to give it to his mom.

    It’s chicken vs. the egg.[/quote]

    Right, its not the opening of the circle… But, what I get from this, is that Eloises life is defined from the point in 1977 on… if Eloise gives Daniel a fresh journal every time, then the outcome is slightly different every time (Because Daniel is the variable…)

    what if Eloise has a whole collection of different Faraday journals somewhere….[/quote]

    Actually, I have a different idea on this… the journal doesnt have to be the chicken or the egg. Unlike the compass which has absolutely no start or end point, we don’t know enough about the journal to say there was no source.

    The journal could have been introduced for the first time any other way. Mrs. Hawking reading it, as opposed to Mrs. Widmore reading it is the difference…

    SAY that, Mrs. Hawking decided to put the notation in the book the second time, because the first time she recieved it it didn’t have one? Therefore she didn’t realize the importance of the book until it was too late? And they didnt listen to Jack and co. because they all sounded crazy, so they killed them, and the jughead fraction never went down.

    Her putting the notation in the journal the second time, would be a sure way that she would pay attention to it immediately the next time… just in time to converge with the Jack and Co. fraction…

    I missed some of Daniel and Des talking… did Daniel find his old journal and thats how he got the equations in the sideways? Or did he just have a vision of them?[/quote]

    Daniel sees Charlotte (love at first sight line to Des) has the “moment” (both Des and Charlie have had it too) and then proceeds later on that same day to write that journal entry. He then takes it to his “math wiz” friend who tells him this is super-advanced quantum physics…

    as to the journal. Its clear Eloise gets the journal from Daniel in ’77 (1st). The Journal Eloise gives Daniel post-77 (in his graduation) is BLANK (only signed love mum etc). I do not see a chicken and egg argument here. Eloise knew Daniel would one day give her the notebook, but to get (the complete) notebook she had to at one point give him a blank notebook. Hope this makes sense…

  184. Jaime says:

    [quote comment="373223"][quote comment="373221"][quote comment="373218"][quote comment="373184"]I can’t get fully on board with the journal logic because it’s circular; Eloise is the one who gave Daniel the journal (EMPTY) in the first place.

    Daniel LATER went back to give it to his mom.

    It’s chicken vs. the egg.[/quote]

    Right, its not the opening of the circle… But, what I get from this, is that Eloises life is defined from the point in 1977 on… if Eloise gives Daniel a fresh journal every time, then the outcome is slightly different every time (Because Daniel is the variable…)

    what if Eloise has a whole collection of different Faraday journals somewhere….[/quote]

    Actually, I have a different idea on this… the journal doesnt have to be the chicken or the egg. Unlike the compass which has absolutely no start or end point, we don’t know enough about the journal to say there was no source.

    The journal could have been introduced for the first time any other way. Mrs. Hawking reading it, as opposed to Mrs. Widmore reading it is the difference…

    SAY that, Mrs. Hawking decided to put the notation in the book the second time, because the first time she recieved it it didn’t have one? Therefore she didn’t realize the importance of the book until it was too late? And they didnt listen to Jack and co. because they all sounded crazy, so they killed them, and the jughead fraction never went down.

    Her putting the notation in the journal the second time, would be a sure way that she would pay attention to it immediately the next time… just in time to converge with the Jack and Co. fraction…

    I missed some of Daniel and Des talking… did Daniel find his old journal and thats how he got the equations in the sideways? Or did he just have a vision of them?[/quote]

    Daniel sees Charlotte (love at first sight line to Des) has the “moment” (both Des and Charlie have had it too) and then proceeds later on that same day to write that journal entry. He then takes it to his “math wiz” friend who tells him this is super-advanced quantum physics…
    …[/quote]
    ********************
    He said after seeing Charlotte he fell asleep and when he woke up he began writing it down in his journal.

  185. WTF says:

    I don’t think that this has been brought up yet…
    When they were getting ready to “test” Desmond in the magnetic room and Jin protested, Whidmore over rode Jin’s objections by saying, WIDMORE: That man is the only person I’m aware of, in the world, who has survived a catastrophic electromagnetic event, I need to know that he can do it again, or we all die. Turn it on!

    I don’t think he meant surviving this test. So, I am wondering if Des has to go up against Smokey? He makes electrical sounds and sometimes flashes light. If not Smokey, there is some kind of event that Des must use his special powers for other than just showing the survivors their FSW lives. Anyone have any ideas?

  186. JustProgress... says:

    Quick question, I have been debating this with other people and want to see what you all think. When Charlie and Des are underwater and Charlie is still in the car and Des is trying to get him out, he does the whole hand on the window, like the island.
    The issue of debate: it looks to me that Charlie seems somewhat possessed, with the big eyes and the smirk and puts the hand up like he knows that he is doing this. Later he has no idea why Des would want to see his hands. Do you think that this action is the bleed over and Charlie doesnt do this action freely and that more of these unconscious bleeds could keep happening?
    Others that I talk to think that it is just Charlie waving goodbye. But if you watch the scene again I think it is pretty clear that it is not just that. Thoughts?

  187. WTF says:

    [quote comment="373226"]Quick question, I have been debating this with other people and want to see what you all think. When Charlie and Des are underwater and Charlie is still in the car and Des is trying to get him out, he does the whole hand on the window, like the island.
    The issue of debate: it looks to me that Charlie seems somewhat possessed, with the big eyes and the smirk and puts the hand up like he knows that he is doing this. Later he has no idea why Des would want to see his hands. Do you think that this action is the bleed over and Charlie doesnt do this action freely and that more of these unconscious bleeds could keep happening?
    Others that I talk to think that it is just Charlie waving goodbye. But if you watch the scene again I think it is pretty clear that it is not just that. Thoughts?[/quote]
    ———————–
    I don’t think Charlie literally does these acts in the FSW…I think the incident here triggers the memory for Desmond and it is just Desmond “seeing” it this way.

  188. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="373227"][quote comment="373226"]Quick question, I have been debating this with other people and want to see what you all think. When Charlie and Des are underwater and Charlie is still in the car and Des is trying to get him out, he does the whole hand on the window, like the island.
    The issue of debate: it looks to me that Charlie seems somewhat possessed, with the big eyes and the smirk and puts the hand up like he knows that he is doing this. Later he has no idea why Des would want to see his hands. Do you think that this action is the bleed over and Charlie doesnt do this action freely and that more of these unconscious bleeds could keep happening?
    Others that I talk to think that it is just Charlie waving goodbye. But if you watch the scene again I think it is pretty clear that it is not just that. Thoughts?[/quote]
    ———————–
    I don’t think Charlie literally does these acts in the FSW…I think the incident here triggers the memory for Desmond and it is just Desmond “seeing” it this way.[/quote]
    Agreed…Des was seeing flashes of the original time line. FSW Charlie was knocked out the whole time he was underwater.

  189. Bob says:

    Didn’t see this in the comments, but Penny mentioned that the coffee shop was at the corner of Sweetzer and Melrose. I wonder why they would give a particular location? I went to Google maps and did a street view of the intersection and there is an older office building on one corner, a motel looking place on the second, an empty store/office on the third and a restaurant called “Dolce” on the forth. Anybody see anything in this or have an idea about why it was mentioned?

  190. skate says:

    [quote comment="373035"]I’m really hoping to get a better understanding of what the “rules” are, and why the rules don’t apply to Des.[/quote]
    You know it was an outstanding episode when it takes me until Thursday evening to realize that there was not a single scene with Sawyer, but I still loved it!

  191. Mona L says:

    so in FSW world – does Eloise still run her evil church science basement of doom? or does she just run a run an evil bingo game there every other wednesday nite?

  192. Luc Besson says:

    [quote comment="373230"][quote comment="373035"]I’m really hoping to get a better understanding of what the “rules” are, and why the rules don’t apply to Des.[/quote]
    You know it was an outstanding episode when it takes me until Thursday evening to realize that there was not a single scene with Sawyer, but I still loved it![/quote]

    or f/Locke for that matter. first time this season.

  193. Lind says:

    [quote comment="373229"]Didn’t see this in the comments, but Penny mentioned that the coffee shop was at the corner of Sweetzer and Melrose. I wonder why they would give a particular location? I went to Google maps and did a street view of the intersection and there is an older office building on one corner, a motel looking place on the second, an empty store/office on the third and a restaurant called “Dolce” on the forth. Anybody see anything in this or have an idea about why it was mentioned?[/quote]

    hmmm… were there any building numbers listed?

  194. Fast Eddie S says:

    [quote comment="373222"]wally,
    he dreamed about the equation i believe; don’t remember…but i know there’s no journal in the FSW.

    what i was saying is that the journal was blank when she gave it to him at graduation.

    but as someone else pointed out, there could be more than one journal.[/quote]
    Multiple journals. Hmmm. So, since Eloise knows she will receive a journal from Dan in the past, she could tell herself in that journal what she needs to try next. If time is in a loop, and she is trying to save the world, she can keep changing her message to herself, until she gets it right. Would she really write down in the journal that the man in the red shoes will be crushed by a falling building? Perhaps, if on the previous cycle Des remained unconvinced.

  195. Belle says:

    Ever since the time traveling began the other season, several episodes of “Star Trek The Next Generation” came to mind. To name a few:

    “We’ll Always Have Paris” – When the Enterprise encounters a distortion in time where events repeat themselves they investigate and proceed to a planet upon receiving a distress call from Dr.Paul Manhiem who is renowned for working on experiments in time. The doctor believed we reside in one of infinite dimensions. He was having convulsions due to his experiments and was dying. He was having difficulty, he had been on the other side (another dimension)and part of him was still there. His mind was floating between two places and he was having a problem distinguishing between the two. There is an immense volume of energy deep within the planet and concentrated near Manhiem’s remaining lab. The other lab was completely destroyed along with all the other scientists. This episode mentions exact coordinates, a security system and mirrors.

    “Cause and Effect” – The Enterprise D is shown to be stuck in a time loop, with events culminating in the destruction of the ship as a result of a collision with another Starfleet vessel that emerges from a space-time distortion. As each loop proceeds, the crew members, though unaware they are in the loop, have the feeling of déjà vu. The crew repeats the same incident over and over each time leading to the Enterprise’s explosion. Data discovers, through small “clues,” what is happening and must make right the situations that lead to the catastrophe. The Enterprise is able to avoid being hit, and the time loop is broken.

    “All Good Things” (the series finale)- Past, present and future collide for Captain Picard as he finds his mind jumping through three different time periods which happen without warning. Caught in a paradox that Q (God-like-being)has devised, Picard realizes he must risk his life and the lives of his crew to save humanity. Picard seeks to avoid this by marshaling the resources of three time periods to get rid of the anomaly. However the actions to stop it actually create the anomaly and only the sacrifice of the enterprise can change the outcome. They determine that they can stop the anomaly by having all three Enterprises fly into the center of it and create static warp shells. Picard relays the orders to each Enterprise; each does so, and in turn each succumbs to a warp core breach, with Q telling the future Picard that “all good things must come to an end” just before the future Enterprise explodes. Q congratulates Picard for being able to think in multiple time lines simultaneously in order to solve the puzzle. He then withdraws and bids farewell to Picard by saying “See you… out there.” (See you in another life brother)Picard then returns to the Enterprise of his present, no longer skipping through time.

    You will be blown away at the similarities of TNG and Lost.

  196. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="373229"]Didn’t see this in the comments, but Penny mentioned that the coffee shop was at the corner of Sweetzer and Melrose. I wonder why they would give a particular location? I went to Google maps and did a street view of the intersection and there is an older office building on one corner, a motel looking place on the second, an empty store/office on the third and a restaurant called “Dolce” on the forth. Anybody see anything in this or have an idea about why it was mentioned?[/quote]
    Could that be the coffee shop where Des met Libby and was given the boat?

  197. Jacob's sister says:

    *first time poster*

    Great episode! I have a theory about where FSW come in. It goes back to the book “A Wrinkle in Time” – in the book the main characters go to a planet which is ruled by a “black smoke” in which everything is descibed as perfect. This perfection is only superficial, however, and everything deeper is revealed as evil. The main characters, a brother and sister, delve into this world and the brother “becomes like the monster.” When they try to leave the only way that the brother can be rescued is through LOVE – it was the only thing the “smoke” did not posess. I think the FSW are like this planet in the book – beautiful on the surface but ugly underneath. Love in its different forms are bringing our characters out of its spell and reawakening them into the real world – Charlie with Claire, etc. The only way that Desmond will be able to awaken the passengers of Oceanic 815 is through love. I think the point is that life is not perfect on the surface, in fact it can be quite difficult, but what is underneath – the commitment and deep relationships – is quite beautiful and awakening.

  198. Lind says:

    [quote comment="373237"]*first time poster*

    Great episode! I have a theory about where FSW come in. It goes back to the book “A Wrinkle in Time” – in the book the main characters go to a planet which is ruled by a “black smoke” in which everything is descibed as perfect. This perfection is only superficial, however, and everything deeper is revealed as evil. The main characters, a brother and sister, delve into this world and the brother “becomes like the monster.” When they try to leave the only way that the brother can be rescued is through LOVE – it was the only thing the “smoke” did not posess. I think the FSW are like this planet in the book – beautiful on the surface but ugly underneath. Love in its different forms are bringing our characters out of its spell and reawakening them into the real world – Charlie with Claire, etc. The only way that Desmond will be able to awaken the passengers of Oceanic 815 is through love. I think the point is that life is not perfect on the surface, in fact it can be quite difficult, but what is underneath – the commitment and deep relationships – is quite beautiful and awakening.[/quote]

    This is a pretty interesting observation! It goes along with what we’ve been discussing, that Eloise is in the know about both timelines and has been manipulating the lives of the characters so that they don’t seek out their existence in another dimension.

    Also, if, as many have been speculating, the bomb explosion and sinking of the Island DID release Smokey (the cork removed from the bottle), then this Sideways World is in fact shrouded in evil, despite its “perfect” appearance.

  199. Luc Besson says:

    [quote comment="373239"][quote comment="373237"]*first time poster*

    Great episode! I have a theory about where FSW come in. It goes back to the book “A Wrinkle in Time” – in the book the main characters go to a planet which is ruled by a “black smoke” in which everything is descibed as perfect. This perfection is only superficial, however, and everything deeper is revealed as evil. The main characters, a brother and sister, delve into this world and the brother “becomes like the monster.” When they try to leave the only way that the brother can be rescued is through LOVE – it was the only thing the “smoke” did not posess. I think the FSW are like this planet in the book – beautiful on the surface but ugly underneath. Love in its different forms are bringing our characters out of its spell and reawakening them into the real world – Charlie with Claire, etc. The only way that Desmond will be able to awaken the passengers of Oceanic 815 is through love. I think the point is that life is not perfect on the surface, in fact it can be quite difficult, but what is underneath – the commitment and deep relationships – is quite beautiful and awakening.[/quote]

    This is a pretty interesting observation! It goes along with what we’ve been discussing, that Eloise is in the know about both timelines and has been manipulating the lives of the characters so that they don’t seek out their existence in another dimension.

    Also, if, as many have been speculating, the bomb explosion and sinking of the Island DID release Smokey (the cork removed from the bottle), then this Sideways World is in fact shrouded in evil, despite its “perfect” appearance.[/quote]
    ______

    If what you say is true then would reconciling FSW and the island time-line NOT be Des/Charles/Jacobs focus but much rather prevent/destroy FSW (making sure the island doesn’t drown)?

  200. londonboy says:

    I keep thinking Des will go back with Sayid in a boat and on the way, they’ll see an outrigger suddenly appear. Maybe Des will stop Sayid from getting his shot on target.

    The ‘no love’ in FSW is intriguing, but what about the moment with Jack and his son. How does that fit in or am I missing the point of what everyone’s saying?

  201. wallyp says:

    just watched again, and I’m thinking that Charlie and Daniel have just discovered their “constants.” It makes sense that there could be a team Des/Charlie/Dan in the Sideways as the ones who start to understand whats going on…they are not each others constants though the ladies are… or maybe they are constants and the ladies are triggers.

    (The balls of the ball) Charlie and Daniel are tight with Des already…

    I took note of Eloises different pin. Timelines?

    Also, wondering if maybe the Charlie that Hurley saw in the mental hospital was Sideways Charlie, crossing over…

  202. Bobola says:

    …to quote Mozart in Amadeus;
    “Forgive me, Majesty. I am a vulgar man! But I assure you, my music is not. ”

    You can check mine out by Googling my CD;
    Inside the Marble Zoo

    A shameless plug.

    I won’t discuss the previews for next week other than to say;
    looks like it’s gonna be great!

  203. The Kath says:

    I think Claire’s mom will turn out to be Penny’s mom.

  204. OBTUSE says:

    Daniel a musician? PPPPPH guy only knows how to play one song.

  205. Fast Eddie S says:

    [quote comment="373253"]I think Claire’s mom will turn out to be Penny’s mom.[/quote]
    I’ve thought the same thing for some time. Carol Littleton and Penny look a lot alike.

  206. GAGirl says:

    [quote comment="373233"][quote comment="373229"]Didn’t see this in the comments, but Penny mentioned that the coffee shop was at the corner of Sweetzer and Melrose. I wonder why they would give a particular location? I went to Google maps and did a street view of the intersection and there is an older office building on one corner, a motel looking place on the second, an empty store/office on the third and a restaurant called “Dolce” on the forth. Anybody see anything in this or have an idea about why it was mentioned?[/quote]

    hmmm… were there any building numbers listed?[/quote]
    Didn’t Desmond see Libby in a coffee shop when she gave him her boat?? Can’t remember exactly, but that seems to stick out to me. Anyone else remember?

  207. GAGirl says:

    Oops sorry Circus Mom – read all the post but #197!!

  208. Miss lost says:

    so anyone else think that Smokey sounds similar to the solenoid coils?

  209. Lind says:

    whereisthenewpost……………

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