The Last Recruit

Lost - Last Recruit - Season 6

At the conclusion of last week’s episode we had our beloved Hugo leading the remaining cast members into the mouth of madness – directly to the MIB/Evil Locke. The final scene of the episode was eery in the extremely satisfied/intriguing manner that the MIB stared down Jack. Overall the episode revealed a fair amount of new information:

  • What exactly the whispers are
  • That the MIB is extremely concerned with Desmond’s abilities and demeanor
  • That Jack is taking a back seat, for now

The episode this week is rumored to be multi-centric, but I have to think that given the title much of the episode will focus on the MIB trying to convince Jack to leave the Island with him.

Synopsis

“Alliances are forged and broken as the Locke and Jack camps merge”

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296 Responses to The Last Recruit

  1. Hammer says:

    I think Will makes a good point, the last recruit is likely MIB trying to get Jack to leave the island with him.

  2. Jason says:

    [quote comment="373527"]I think Will makes a good point, the last recruit is likely MIB trying to get Jack to leave the island with him.[/quote]
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    Anyone know who this episode is centered around?

  3. LostGrrl says:

    [quote comment="373528"][quote comment="373527"]I think Will makes a good point, the last recruit is likely MIB trying to get Jack to leave the island with him.[/quote]
    _____________________________________
    Anyone know who this episode is centered around?[/quote]

    See above… “The episode this week is rumored to be multi-centric…”

    Hoping to see:
    — Des alive and well (oops… pun) and figuring out his next move.
    — Jack, Kate, and Sawyer plotting against MIB.
    — Whether Sideways Locke had his moment of consciousness after being run over by Des.

  4. Jason says:

    [quote comment="373529"][quote comment="373528"][quote comment="373527"]I think Will makes a good point, the last recruit is likely MIB trying to get Jack to leave the island with him.[/quote]
    _____________________________________
    Anyone know who this episode is centered around?[/quote]

    See above… “The episode this week is rumored to be multi-centric…”

    Hoping to see:
    — Des alive and well (oops… pun) and figuring out his next move.
    — Jack, Kate, and Sawyer plotting against MIB.
    — Whether Sideways Locke had his moment of consciousness after being run over by Des.[/quote]
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    I am still trying to figure out why Locke would remember the island if Desmond ran over him. He was already in a wheel chair and had been hurt before..unless somehow he’s hit by Desmond and he remembers the island healed him or something…

  5. LostGrrl says:

    [quote comment="373530"]
    I am still trying to figure out why Locke would remember the island if Desmond ran over him. He was already in a wheel chair and had been hurt before..unless somehow he’s hit by Desmond and he remembers the island healed him or something…[/quote]

    Not sure why he wouldn’t have had his “moment of clarity” when he had the accident that put him in the wheelchair (though we really don’t know how he got that way in the sideways world).

    Perhaps the difference is that this time someone related to the Island was involved, and Locke’s car accident is equivalent to Charlie’s near-death experience on the plane.

  6. DharmaGreg says:

    [quote comment="373531"][quote comment="373530"]
    I am still trying to figure out why Locke would remember the island if Desmond ran over him. He was already in a wheel chair and had been hurt before..unless somehow he’s hit by Desmond and he remembers the island healed him or something…[/quote]

    Not sure why he wouldn’t have had his “moment of clarity” when he had the accident that put him in the wheelchair (though we really don’t know how he got that way in the sideways world).

    Perhaps the difference is that this time someone related to the Island was involved, and Locke’s car accident is equivalent to Charlie’s near-death experience on the plane.[/quote]

    I think your accident has to occur after flight 815. That seems like what is happening to everybody else.

  7. Miss lost says:

    Even though Jack is taking a back seat, Flocke knows he needs him. If he gets Jack, he thinks the others will follow.
    I had been wondering who this week would be about…things are really heating up! Can’t wait.
    Interesting that this is the pic they used for this week.
    The two sides don’t fully mesh…Ilana is dead and I wouldn’t think Richard is on the other side…so I don’t think the pic is about what side you are on?

  8. Burley son of Hurley says:

    [quote comment="373531"][quote comment="373530"]
    I am still trying to figure out why Locke would remember the island if Desmond ran over him. He was already in a wheel chair and had been hurt before..unless somehow he’s hit by Desmond and he remembers the island healed him or something…[/quote]

    Not sure why he wouldn’t have had his “moment of clarity” when he had the accident that put him in the wheelchair (though we really don’t know how he got that way in the sideways world).

    Perhaps the difference is that this time someone related to the Island was involved, and Locke’s car accident is equivalent to Charlie’s near-death experience on the plane.[/quote]
    ______

    J & Lg I really hope this is going to be a crucial piece of the LOST puzzle. I would argue Des running over Locke in FSW will “wake up” Locke in FSW about what he did (happened) on the island WHILE HE WAS ALIVE. Enlightened-Locke will now help Des “wake up” the rest of the Losties, but most imporatantly help defeat the MIB through FSW (by telling Jack/rest of the island losties how to beat MIB on “island time”).

    Sort of like a medium from FSW to island time eventually meshing both timelines and defeating the MIB???

    Although this “theory” may seem the product of today’s April 4th “holiday” I assure you the only stimulant in my system is one to many cups-o-joe…

  9. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="373532"][quote comment="373531"][quote comment="373530"][/quote]

    Not sure why he wouldn’t have had his “moment of clarity” when he had the accident that put him in the wheelchair (though we really don’t know how he got that way in the sideways world).

    Perhaps the difference is that this time someone related to the Island was involved, and Locke’s car accident is equivalent to Charlie’s near-death experience on the plane.[/quote]

    I think your accident has to occur after flight 815. That seems like what is happening to everybody else.[/quote]
    Yes. Because the island events didn’t happen until after the flight crashed in the original time line.

  10. James says:

    I wonder if the MIB’s real name is Ness. Because TV Guide calls him the Locke Monster. :)

  11. JnMrLost says:

    Think about this ,when desmond was pushing the button in the hatch , ” to save the world” remember he missed a few seconds, making flight 815 to crash on to the island , and also giving locke the ability to walk again , so in the parallel universe , when desmond runs him over , its kinda the opposite , maybe he will walk or remember , but everything is somehow puzzled together

  12. Jason says:

    [quote comment="373537"]Think about this ,when desmond was pushing the button in the hatch , ” to save the world” remember he missed a few seconds, making flight 815 to crash on to the island , and also giving locke the ability to walk again , so in the parallel universe , when desmond runs him over , its kinda the opposite , maybe he will walk or remember , but everything is somehow puzzled together[/quote]
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    I am thinking that Jack will operate on Locke in the FSW, but I don’t know how that will tie into anything. Maybe he will somehow remember Locke and him being on the island while he’s operating….

  13. Miss lost says:

    I have been thinking about the two timelines and wondering do you think they existing at the same time? Island time is current (2007) and FSW is 2004, but are the occuring at the same time? (sorry if this has been discussed recently) but even though the FSW is the past (and a different past at that) it seems like it is occuring at the same time as 2007 island time.

  14. wingman says:

    Jack will never trust Locke in the end because he never has…Once the Smokness Lockster tells him about original Locke’s actually idiocy, in ultimately being the reason no one was able to stay off island, Jack will be even more pissed…Smokester is gonna threaten to kill everyone if Jack doesn’t help me thinks…

  15. Miss lost says:

    And I have one more thought/question. While at coffee today another friend and I were discussing LOST and wondered if this season will also end with an explosion of some sort as all of the other seasons have? If so, What? The original plane crash? Or something else?

  16. Miss lost says:

    [quote comment="373543"]Jack will never trust Locke in the end because he never has…Once the Smokness Lockster tells him about original Locke’s actually idiocy, in ultimately being the reason no one was able to stay off island, Jack will be even more pissed…Smokester is gonna threaten to kill everyone if Jack doesn’t help me thinks…[/quote]
    **************
    We are definitely going to see Jack step up and play a big part in the end. I think there was alot to his statement last week to Hurley when he said he was going with the flow more and that has been hard to let go. He did let go of having to be in charge, but I do think soon we are going to see the strong, confident Jack come back with a roar!

  17. Belle says:

    Des hitting Locke with his car was pretty drastic. Enough to kill a person. Almost on par with being pushed out the window by his father. Here’s a crazy thought; will Locke die again? If he did would that affect Flocke on the island? Hopefully the theory of Jack operating on him is what will happen. I guess it will awaken one or both of them.

    The alliances formed will be interesting. You have two alpha males, Jack and Sawyer, and they have butt heads more times than can be counted. It won’t be good if they are on opposing teams. There’s no predicting which one Kate will choose to follow? She’s so wishy washy.

  18. Belle says:

    [quote comment="373544"]And I have one more thought/question. While at coffee today another friend and I were discussing LOST and wondered if this season will also end with an explosion of some sort as all of the other seasons have? If so, What? The original plane crash? Or something else?[/quote]

    Interesting thought. If it ended with some sort of explosion, then we’d have to use our imagination as to what really happened. I could see D&C doing that just to drive us crazy. I hope not and also hoping it doesn’t have a really sad ending.

  19. WTF says:

    [quote comment="373544"]And I have one more thought/question. While at coffee today another friend and I were discussing LOST and wondered if this season will also end with an explosion of some sort as all of the other seasons have? If so, What? The original plane crash? Or something else?[/quote]

    Every season has not ended with an explosion. There may have been an explosion in many of the last episodes, but the season does not end w/an explosion

  20. Dez Sez says:

    [quote comment="373547"][quote comment="373544"]And I have one more thought/question. While at coffee today another friend and I were discussing LOST and wondered if this season will also end with an explosion of some sort as all of the other seasons have? If so, What? The original plane crash? Or something else?[/quote]

    Interesting thought. If it ended with some sort of explosion, then we’d have to use our imagination as to what really happened. I could see D&C doing that just to drive us crazy. I hope not and also hoping it doesn’t have a really sad ending.[/quote]

    You know…it’s interesting. I don’t want it to end sad either. But I think we can all agree that LOST is not exactly the type of show where everything should end “Happily Ever After” either. I think if D&C made everyone’s arc end on a positive note it would take away from the brilliance of the show.

    The mystery is killing me!

  21. Miss lost says:

    [quote comment="373548"][quote comment="373544"]And I have one more thought/question. While at coffee today another friend and I were discussing LOST and wondered if this season will also end with an explosion of some sort as all of the other seasons have? If so, What? The original plane crash? Or something else?[/quote]

    Every season has not ended with an explosion. There may have been an explosion in many of the last episodes, but the season does not end w/an explosion[/quote]
    ******************
    1. Season one…dynomite goes off to open the hatch lid.
    2. Hatch explodes
    3. Submarine explodes (maybe this was not the season ender…thought it was)
    4. Freighter explodes
    5. Bomb explodes with Juliette in hole
    6. ? unknown.
    Lots of things have indeed blown up as the season ending cliff hanger:)

  22. wingman says:

    @Miss Lost or whomever else – Man I watched this awesome show on Science network last night (on a random channel changing whim) and it was all about Time travel…Being the LOST fan I am I watched it for any detail that could help me figure out the current situation on the show…I think I found one…Imagine 2 trains speeding side by side…1 is Losties universe A and the other 1 is FSW-universe…The island is the check-in station where the trains merge (converge)…When you exit the island it’s now one single track…Everything not on Train 1 will be there when it merges with train 2 (The universes solution to a 2-timeline paradox)…As it leaves the Island this new train is the new single universe (fresh with photo shopped memories for the island losties like what happened to Desmond in season 5)…This was the importance of introducing the mental-time travel aspect…

    That’s where I think LOST is heading and I think people who we see as being dead won’t be dead anymore once it turns into a single track again….

    I got some more ideas on this if requested…

  23. Belle says:

    I’m sure this was discussed before in another thread, so forgive me. It still bothers me. I have my suspicions that when Miles told Sawyer that Juliet said “It worked”, that he was lying. Am I the only one that feels this way? Sawyer had to force him and I felt Miles acted strange. I know there’s the theory that she could have been pregnant so Miles made it up as not to add to Sawyer’s misery. OR did she have some revelation because she was near death?

  24. wally p says:

    [quote comment="373542"]I have been thinking about the two timelines and wondering do you think they existing at the same time? Island time is current (2007) and FSW is 2004, but are the occuring at the same time? (sorry if this has been discussed recently) but even though the FSW is the past (and a different past at that) it seems like it is occuring at the same time as 2007 island time.[/quote]

    IMO, the flashes have always happened at the same time as island time…

  25. Belle says:

    [quote comment="373549"][quote comment="373547"][quote comment="373544"]And I have one more thought/question. While at coffee today another friend and I were discussing LOST and wondered if this season will also end with an explosion of some sort as all of the other seasons have? If so, What? The original plane crash? Or something else?[/quote]

    Interesting thought. If it ended with some sort of explosion, then we’d have to use our imagination as to what really happened. I could see D&C doing that just to drive us crazy. I hope not and also hoping it doesn’t have a really sad ending.[/quote]

    You know…it’s interesting. I don’t want it to end sad either. But I think we can all agree that LOST is not exactly the type of show where everything should end “Happily Ever After” either. I think if D&C made everyone’s arc end on a positive note it would take away from the brilliance of the show.

    The mystery is killing me![/quote]

    I agree. I think we can count on it not being “Happily Ever After” either. I just don’t want it to be heart-breaking. Great movies rarely end that way. Sigh.

  26. Belle says:

    [quote comment="373551"]@Miss Lost or whomever else – Man I watched this awesome show on Science network last night (on a random channel changing whim) and it was all about Time travel…Being the LOST fan I am I watched it for any detail that could help me figure out the current situation on the show…I think I found one…Imagine 2 trains speeding side by side…1 is Losties universe A and the other 1 is FSW-universe…The island is the check-in station where the trains merge (converge)…When you exit the island it’s now one single track…Everything not on Train 1 will be there when it merges with train 2 (The universes solution to a 2-timeline paradox)…As it leaves the Island this new train is the new single universe (fresh with photo shopped memories for the island losties like what happened to Desmond in season 5)…This was the importance of introducing the mental-time travel aspect…

    That’s where I think LOST is heading and I think people who we see as being dead won’t be dead anymore once it turns into a single track again….

    I got some more ideas on this if requested…[/quote]

    Fire away wingman.

  27. Miss lost says:

    [quote comment="373555"][quote comment="373551"]@Miss Lost or whomever else – Man I watched this awesome show on Science network last night (on a random channel changing whim) and it was all about Time travel…Being the LOST fan I am I watched it for any detail that could help me figure out the current situation on the show…I think I found one…Imagine 2 trains speeding side by side…1 is Losties universe A and the other 1 is FSW-universe…The island is the check-in station where the trains merge (converge)…When you exit the island it’s now one single track…Everything not on Train 1 will be there when it merges with train 2 (The universes solution to a 2-timeline paradox)…As it leaves the Island this new train is the new single universe (fresh with photo shopped memories for the island losties like what happened to Desmond in season 5)…This was the importance of introducing the mental-time travel aspect…

    That’s where I think LOST is heading and I think people who we see as being dead won’t be dead anymore once it turns into a single track again….

    I got some more ideas on this if requested…[/quote]

    Fire away wingman.[/quote]
    **********
    great way to explain it! “Time” will tell….

  28. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="373542"]I have been thinking about the two timelines and wondering do you think they existing at the same time? Island time is current (2007) and FSW is 2004, but are the occuring at the same time? (sorry if this has been discussed recently) but even though the FSW is the past (and a different past at that) it seems like it is occuring at the same time as 2007 island time.[/quote]

    The FSW is 2004. Current Island Time is 2007 (unless the LOSTies flashed to a different time when Jughead detonated). We are SEEING these timelines concurrently, but this does not mean that they are happening as such. Think of the mutual flashforward and flashback during Ji Yeon.

    : ) P

  29. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="373551"]@Miss Lost or whomever else – Man I watched this awesome show on Science network last night (on a random channel changing whim) and it was all about Time travel…Being the LOST fan I am I watched it for any detail that could help me figure out the current situation on the show…I think I found one…Imagine 2 trains speeding side by side…1 is Losties universe A and the other 1 is FSW-universe…The island is the check-in station where the trains merge (converge)…When you exit the island it’s now one single track…Everything not on Train 1 will be there when it merges with train 2 (The universes solution to a 2-timeline paradox)…As it leaves the Island this new train is the new single universe (fresh with photo shopped memories for the island losties like what happened to Desmond in season 5)…This was the importance of introducing the mental-time travel aspect…

    That’s where I think LOST is heading and I think people who we see as being dead won’t be dead anymore once it turns into a single track again….

    I got some more ideas on this if requested…[/quote]

    This is very close to the theories that were being debated during the consciousness travel episodes. I like it.

    : ) P

  30. Circus Mom says:

    I had a train track theory a couple of seasons back. Can’t remember which post though.

  31. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="373558"][quote comment="373551"]@Miss Lost or whomever else – Man I watched this awesome show on Science network last night (on a random channel changing whim) and it was all about Time travel…Being the LOST fan I am I watched it for any detail that could help me figure out the current situation on the show…I think I found one…Imagine 2 trains speeding side by side…1 is Losties universe A and the other 1 is FSW-universe…The island is the check-in station where the trains merge (converge)…When you exit the island it’s now one single track…Everything not on Train 1 will be there when it merges with train 2 (The universes solution to a 2-timeline paradox)…As it leaves the Island this new train is the new single universe (fresh with photo shopped memories for the island losties like what happened to Desmond in season 5)…This was the importance of introducing the mental-time travel aspect…

    That’s where I think LOST is heading and I think people who we see as being dead won’t be dead anymore once it turns into a single track again….

    I got some more ideas on this if requested…[/quote]

    This is very close to the theories that were being debated during the consciousness travel episodes. I like it.

    : ) P[/quote]
    Yes, that’s when it was.

  32. WTF says:

    [quote comment="373550"][quote comment="373548"][quote comment="373544"]And I have one more thought/question. While at coffee today another friend and I were discussing LOST and wondered if this season will also end with an explosion of some sort as all of the other seasons have? If so, What? The original plane crash? Or something else?[/quote]

    Every season has not ended with an explosion. There may have been an explosion in many of the last episodes, but the season does not end w/an explosion[/quote]
    ******************
    1. Season one…dynomite goes off to open the hatch lid.
    2. Hatch explodes
    3. Submarine explodes (maybe this was not the season ender…thought it was)
    4. Freighter explodes
    5. Bomb explodes with Juliette in hole
    6. ? unknown.
    Lots of things have indeed blown up as the season ending cliff hanger:)[/quote]

    I said there may have been explosions during many of the season finales, but the finales did not all end w/an explosion.

    Season 1: Yes, they did explode the hatch door towards the end of the show, but there were a couple of other scenes and then the show ends w/Locke and Jack looking down
    that deep hole/tunnelway.

    Season 2: Ends w/those guys at some artic (?) station calling Penny.

    Season 3: Ends at the airport, end of the runway w/a plane flying over the heads of Jack and Kate leaving in her car w/Jack yelling “We have to go back!!!”.

    Season 4: Ends w/Jack and Ben at the mortuary looking at Locke in the coffin.

    Season 5: Ends with explosion….screen fades to white.

    Season 6: ?????

  33. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="373550"]
    1. Season one…dynomite goes off to open the hatch lid.
    2. Hatch explodes
    3. Submarine explodes (maybe this was not the season ender…thought it was)
    4. Freighter explodes
    5. Bomb explodes with Juliette in hole
    6. ? unknown.
    Lots of things have indeed blown up as the season ending cliff hanger:)[/quote]

    The submarine was blown up in episode 313 (The Man from Tallahassee). The season three finale had several explosions, but none big like the other seasons – there was the beach camp, which was blown up by Jin, Bernard and Sayid. There was Mikhail, blowing himself up, effectively killing Charlie.

    I think we will have plenty of explosions between now and the last scenes of the show. I just don’t think they will play the part they have in the past, because this season won’t have a cliffhanger.

    : ) P

  34. Lind says:

    Iceland volcano ash cloud = Smokey???!?!?!?!?? We’re DOOOOOOMED

  35. Rumblestilskin says:

    Im not making any predictions this season. Im just going to sit back, relax, and enjoy : )

  36. Miss lost says:

    pj…hoping there is not a cliffhanger:)
    And hoping it ends with a bit a closer!

  37. Mr. $tuart says:

    That might have been the best opening scene in series history. Wow.

  38. LostGrrl says:

    Answers in the first 2 minutes!

    — MIB was Christian in season 1

    — Sideways Sun now knows Locke. Her moment of clarity must have been when she was shot.

  39. Mr. $tuart says:

    [quote comment="373563"]Iceland volcano ash cloud = Smokey???!?!?!?!?? We’re DOOOOOOMED[/quote]
    LOL An island full of hot chicks and dangerous smoke. LOL

  40. LostGrrl says:

    Wow! This episode is crackling with action, and it’s only the halfway point.

  41. Mr. $tuart says:

    Whew. I thought Claire was going to blast Kate. I don’t know if I could have handled losing 2 Kates in one night.

  42. Mr. $tuart says:

    GREAT! GREAT! GREAT F’N SCENE WITH JACK BAILING SHIP. THAT WAS AS GOOD AS LOST GETS.

  43. skate says:

    [quote comment="373570"]Whew. I thought Claire was going to blast Kate. I don’t know if I could have handled losing 2 Kates in one night.[/quote.

    Too funny:)

  44. LostGrrl says:

    [quote comment="373571"]GREAT! GREAT! GREAT F’N SCENE WITH JACK BAILING SHIP. THAT WAS AS GOOD AS LOST GETS.[/quote]

    No! Finally our losties were back together. Did NOT want Jack to jump, though I think he’s right about Locke.

  45. intolost says:

    [quote comment="373536"]I wonder if the MIB’s real name is Ness. Because TV Guide calls him the Locke Monster. :)[/quote]

    Locke Monster! Yes!!! Thank you TV Guide! LOL!!!!

  46. Mr. $tuart says:

    For me, that was the best episode since the season 1 finale. Absolute perfection.

  47. intolost says:

    Okay, Sun and Jin reunion tonight? Puhleezee!!!

  48. intolost says:

    [quote comment="373570"]Whew. I thought Claire was going to blast Kate. I don’t know if I could have handled losing 2 Kates in one night.[/quote]

    Lose 2 Kates in one night?

  49. Snaisy says:

    Jin and Sun! <3

  50. Hammer says:

    Speechless….really.

  51. LostGrrl says:

    [quote comment="373577"][quote comment="373570"]Whew. I thought Claire was going to blast Kate. I don’t know if I could have handled losing 2 Kates in one night.[/quote]

    Lose 2 Kates in one night?[/quote]

    Gosselin on DWTS. Funny reference! I’d take Kate Austin over her any day of the week.

  52. LostGrrl says:

    [quote comment="373579"]Speechless….really.[/quote]

    A first time for everything…hee hee.

    Usually I wait for the action to get back to the island, but this ep I was mesmorized by Sideways and Island,both. Wish every ep was 2 hours long.

    WHO THE HELL IS SIDEWAYS JACK’S EX??

  53. Imreallylost says:

    By far the weakest episode in a while. Would have rather seen Des hook Claire up with Charley instead of a family reunion. Maybe Claire will decide to raise Aaron “on her own” now that she has her new family. Weak. What’s up with the artillery rounds anyway? C Widmore knows they won’t affect Locke Ness. Is he trying to kill candidates?

  54. Snaisy says:

    I love how everyone keeps running into one another. I was hoping Ilana was still working with Jacob and was looking for Claire because of that… it was nice how they pulled it together though… Now Jack knows about his sister. And isn’t it nice how in the same ep, the sideways world and island world have the same awkward meeting between Jack and Claire?

    I think Sayid spared Des his life!

    Why is Widmore backing out of the deal?

    I really enjoyed the talk kate had with Sawyer in sideways world, too!

  55. Hammer says:

    Bedtime for Bonzo.

    MIB can only imitate the dead. The apparition of Walt was not MIB….was Walt Walt?

  56. Imreallylost says:

    The talk between Kate and Sawyer in the FSW was good. Kate’s pretty savvy. I wonder what happens when they touch…and who is Jack’s ex? Juliette?

  57. Amber says:

    Jack just got really sexy to me again!!! soooo hot. so when locke answered the question about being christian are we to take that as he was all of visions of the other people as well?

  58. skate says:

    [quote comment="373581"][quote comment="373579"]Speechless….really.[/quote]

    A first time for everything…hee hee.

    Usually I wait for the action to get back to the island, but this ep I was mesmorized by Sideways and Island,both. Wish every ep was 2 hours long.

    WHO THE HELL IS SIDEWAYS JACK’S EX??[/quote]

    Juliet…..I would bet anything on it!

  59. perry says:

    My DVR screwed up and I did not see anything after jack jumped off the boat. What happened?

  60. Amber says:

    so maybe there is a way to get uninfected by locke. im sure desmond was not killed just by the was sayid acted. also claire is going with the others now so maybe there is hope for them

  61. Mr. $tuart says:

    [quote comment="373589"]My DVR screwed up and I did not see anything after jack jumped off the boat. What happened?[/quote]
    If I were you, I’d wait till tomorrow and watch online. A lot of pretty good stuff happened that you have to see and enjoy yourself.

  62. perry says:

    Could you fill me in?

  63. rowjimmy says:

    [quote comment="373570"]Whew. I thought Claire was going to blast Kate. I don’t know if I could have handled losing 2 Kates in one night.[/quote]
    I was hoping.
    “If you let her talk Claire it will be to late.”S.O.B

  64. rowjimmy says:

    Flocke is not Christian!He lies alot remember.How’d Christian appear on the freighter or at the hospital if he’s confined to the Island.

  65. LostGrrl says:

    [quote comment="373589"]My DVR screwed up and I did not see anything after jack jumped off the boat. What happened?[/quote]

    He landed on the beach and met up with MIB and crew. Sawyer & Co. landed at Hydra Island. Sun FINALLY reunited with Jin, and was suddenly able to speak English again. Widmore’s people turned on Sawyer and Co., dismissing their deal. Then, Widmore’s crew sent a missle to explode on MIB’s gang, including Jack. MIB carried Jack to safety.

    Did I miss anything else?

  66. Ufoundme says:

    Usually I wait for the action to get back to the island, but this ep I was mesmorized by Sideways and Island,both. Wish every ep was 2 hours long.

    WHO THE HELL IS SIDEWAYS JACK’S EX??[/quote]

    Juliet…..I would bet anything on it![/quote]

    I’m still holding on to my unpopular notion that Milton is Penny’s maiden name–her mother’s name–and that she’s Jack’s ex. The only clues I’m stretching to fit that theory… 1) David is a piano prodigy, as is Daniel Widmore 2) David played the same piece for the recital that Daniel was playing during the party set-up (Fantasie Somethingorother), 3) Penny meeting Des in the stadium–a parallel to when he met Jack there. It’s totally wack, and it clearly makes much more sense for it to be Juliette. But at the same time–geesh, I don’t know. Too obvious?

    We shall see. Then again, maybe we won’t.

    Jack’s conversation with Sawyer, followed by his leap of faith off the boat was epic. “If Locke wants us all to leave the island, then I have to think there’s a reason we shouldn’t.” Well, hell yeah! Finally, here is Jack’s moment of clarity, and he doesn’t give a hoot about the unanswered questions anymore (hmmm…)

    An impression about MIB’s revelation that it has been him impersonating Christian: That’s certainly believable–cross another mystery off the wall, and all that–and it fits with so many of the mysteries surrounding Christian’s apparitions and things he’s said and done. So why did it feel like Flocke was lying, just telling Jack what he thought he wanted to hear? The more sincere Flockey tries to sound, the more I get the heebiejeebies.

  67. Ufoundme says:

    I did that “quote and reply” wrong, obviously. Sorry.

  68. rowjimmy says:

    Jack fixes Lockes back.John Locke is not a sucker.Sawyer still killed someone in the FSW Kate so busted him.Go figure Widmore double crosses Sawyer

  69. Jason says:

    Whoever said Flocke was not really Christian makes a great point….he cannot leave the island…therefore, how could he have been on the freighter or at the hospital??

  70. Lola says:

    Hey everyone, it’s been awhile! Even though I live for the show, like many, I have been feeling that this season has been less than stellar…then came the Desmond episode & it’s kicked ass ever since. Here’s what I’m thinking after tonight’s episode: Jack (in the alternate reality) saves Locke during surgery and, of course, also cures his paralysis. Later Desmond shows him the light & he recognizes Locke for Flocke and this is when he realizes what his destiny is…to kill Flocke in island reality. Jack will be able to “fix it” after all.

  71. Amber says:

    I agree I went back and watched the part where he says he was Christian. It did seem kinda fishy.

  72. rowjimmy says:

    [quote comment="373599"]Whoever said Flocke was not really Christian makes a great point….he cannot leave the island…therefore, how could he have been on the freighter or at the hospital??[/quote]
    Thank You.
    Christian=Jacob
    Also Flocke and Christian were seen in the same time period after the crash of 315.Christian on the main island, Flocke on Hydra.

  73. Goon says:

    [quote comment="373594"]Flocke is not Christian!He lies alot remember.How’d Christian appear on the freighter or at the hospital if he’s confined to the Island.[/quote]

    This is definitely a great point. To support your point, it’s interesting how Flocke phrases the question to Jack, “Why don’t you just ask me what you’re thinking” or something along those lines. This gives Flocke the upper hand, because no matter what Jack was going to ask, Flocke new that it was going to be important to Jack and to answer “yes”. Flocke doesn’t come out and say, “I was Christian”, but instead tricks Jack into providing the information and then just slyly confirming it. This is similar to the way he always says, “What if I told you…” He doesn’t promise Sayid that he can bring Nadia back, he just says “what if I told you i could bring Nadia back?” tricking Sayid into believing he can and will without ever actually making that promise.

    However, to play devil’s advocate, when Jack asks Flocke why he appeared as his father, Flocke says that they needed water so he helped him find water. How would Flocke know that tid bit? Can we assume that he just knows everything that goes on on the island?

  74. Lola says:

    i wanted to ask we never saw Kate crash a car into Sawyer’s, right? just wanted to make sure i didn’t miss something.

  75. rowjimmy says:

    [quote comment="373604"]i wanted to ask we never saw Kate crash a car into Sawyer’s, right? just wanted to make sure i didn’t miss something.[/quote]
    She crashed into Sawyer & Miles at the end of Recon

  76. Goon says:

    [quote comment="373604"]i wanted to ask we never saw Kate crash a car into Sawyer’s, right? just wanted to make sure i didn’t miss something.[/quote]

    Yeah, we did. Sawyer and Miles were in the car outside of the police station and Sawyer was apologizing to Miles about lying about going to Australia. He was explaining why he went (to find the real Sawyer), then BAM, Kate smashes into them and they eventually hop out and catch her. That’s how I remember it at least??

  77. Kater Hater says:

    lose two Kate’s in one night? (Gosselin and Austen) plz – someone should have squeezed that trigger years ago

  78. rowjimmy says:

    Message to Widmores crew:
    “If you let it(Kate)talk to you it will be to late !”
    P.S.
    Tina Fey looks really hot with a rifle in her hands. Shoot before she talks again !!

  79. LostGrrl says:

    Thoughts on who is the Last Recruit? Obvious answer is Jack, since MIB worked on him throughout the ep to get him on MIB’s side.

    But wondering if the person doing the “recruiting” might instead be Des. Perhaps the Last Recruit is Sayid, who is now conning MIB. I doubt Sayid killed Des, as he told MIB. And he was away from MIB for a long time, enough, perhaps, for Des to sway him back from the dark side?

    Sideways Des is certainly “recruiting.” I wonder why it was so important for him to facilitate the Claire/Jack meeting?

  80. Lola says:

    [quote comment="373608"]Message to Widmores crew:
    “If you let it(Kate)talk to you it will be to late !”
    P.S.
    Tina Fey looks really hot with a rifle in her hands. Shoot before she talks again !![/quote]

    Totally on the Tina Fey chick-get rid of her! 2nd most annoying character after Ilana and she couldn’t get killed soon enough!

  81. Amber says:

    Its hard to know with this last season. Part of me really thinks locke was lying to Jack about the Christian thing. However its like we cant speculate anymore we just are suppose to take everything as truth now. Its LOST’s fault they made us this way. We have trust issues when it comes to lost lol

  82. rowjimmy says:

    [quote comment="373609"]Thoughts on who is the Last Recruit? Obvious answer is Jack, since MIB worked on him throughout the ep to get him on MIB’s side.

    But wondering if the person doing the “recruiting” might instead be Des. Perhaps the Last Recruit is Sayid, who is now conning MIB. I doubt Sayid killed Des, as he told MIB. And he was away from MIB for a long time, enough, perhaps, for Des to sway him back from the dark side?

    Sideways Des is certainly “recruiting.” I wonder why it was so important for him to facilitate the Claire/Jack meeting?[/quote]
    Jack was the obvious answer…but yeah Des did some serious recruiting from the well.Love conquers all.

  83. Mr. $tuart says:

    [quote comment="373610"][quote comment="373608"]Message to Widmores crew:
    “If you let it(Kate)talk to you it will be to late !”
    P.S.
    Tina Fey looks really hot with a rifle in her hands. Shoot before she talks again !![/quote]

    Totally on the Tina Fey chick-get rid of her! 2nd most annoying character after Ilana and she couldn’t get killed soon enough![/quote]

    Third most annoying. Rose is the worst character in television history.

  84. intolost says:

    [quote comment="373596"]Usually I wait for the action to get back to the island, but this ep I was mesmorized by Sideways and Island,both. Wish every ep was 2 hours long.

    WHO THE HELL IS SIDEWAYS JACK’S EX??[/quote]

    Juliet…..I would bet anything on it![/quote]

    I’m still holding on to my unpopular notion that Milton is Penny’s maiden name–her mother’s name–and that she’s Jack’s ex. The only clues I’m stretching to fit that theory… 1) David is a piano prodigy, as is Daniel Widmore 2) David played the same piece for the recital that Daniel was playing during the party set-up (Fantasie Somethingorother), 3) Penny meeting Des in the stadium–a parallel to when he met Jack there. It’s totally wack, and it clearly makes much more sense for it to be Juliette. But at the same time–geesh, I don’t know. Too obvious?

    We shall see. Then again, maybe we won’t.

    Jack’s conversation with Sawyer, followed by his leap of faith off the boat was epic. “If Locke wants us all to leave the island, then I have to think there’s a reason we shouldn’t.” Well, hell yeah! Finally, here is Jack’s moment of clarity, and he doesn’t give a hoot about the unanswered questions anymore (hmmm…)

    An impression about MIB’s revelation that it has been him impersonating Christian: That’s certainly believable–cross another mystery off the wall, and all that–and it fits with so many of the mysteries surrounding Christian’s apparitions and things he’s said and done. So why did it feel like Flocke was lying, just telling Jack what he thought he wanted to hear? The more sincere Flockey tries to sound, the more I get the heebiejeebies.[/quote]

    Would be great if it was Jules. Penny…likely. The kid has Freckles, though!

  85. intolost says:

    Finally got the Sun & Jin reunion! What about Rose, Bernard, and Vincent?

  86. rowjimmy says:

    Hey maybe Sawyer will push Kate out a window in the FSW to keep his trip a secret.Hey she was trying to escape what could he do.Never mind it won’t work he let her talk.
    S.O.B.!

  87. Belle says:

    Finally, Jin and Sun reunited.

    Conformation for those of us that believed MIB was appearing as Christian all along.

    I would have liked to see all the Losties stay together but I knew Jack and Sawyer would butt heads. I was proud of Jack jumping ship because he was acting on what he truly believed. What he said about Flocke wanting them all to leave was true. Some people bust on Jack for making wrong decisions but Locke has made just as many blunders, the worst being “You have to die to bring them all back.”

    When Kate told Claire that Locke was not Locke and that “he isn’t one of us”, it reminded me of Jack’s tattoo. Wasn’t it translated as “He walks among us but he’s not one of us”?

    I get the impression that Flocke really hates Locke. He puts him down and bad mouths John every chance he gets. Speaking of John I was reminded about how creepy he was in the beginning of season 1. The scenes that stick in my mind the most are when he is sitting on the beach and smiles revealing the orange wedge in his mouth AND when he whispers to Walt “Do you want to know a secret?”

    Does it seem like Smokey was after John as soon as they crashed or am I over analyzing? I just get this weird feeling like they’re inter-twined somehow or Locke was slowly being possessed (?) by Smokey from the beginning. Maybe the creepy factor was to keep us enthralled and guessing who is this strange man.

  88. Mateo says:

    the rule on this blog is to never mention Walt, we are supposed to forget about him, even though the first few seasons focused on him being so damn important…
    Maybe he was so important the island couldnt bring him back & screw with his life?
    Another episode guns were pointed at Tina Fey and no one fired, I’m beginning to think she’s as unstoppable as FLocke.
    I dont think we are going to get a better episode as the Desmond one until the finale :(

  89. mikemarks says:

    smokey affirmed that Locke, or Christian, etc., need be dead for him to take on the person’s appearance. So what about Walt?

  90. twin field says:

    [quote comment="373563"]Iceland volcano ash cloud = Smokey???!?!?!?!?? We’re DOOOOOOMED[/quote]

    That’s simply hilarious!

  91. phetsmar says:

    So I do think Sayid is no longer ‘on the dark side’ …or at least has changed to some degree. In his zombie form he has no feelings as he explained a few episodes ago. Then he told Flocke he just killed an unarmed man in cold blood (or something like that) so he needed a moment…if he had no feeling he wouldn’t need a moment because he wouldn’t care.

    My theory is desmond made a good choice in phrasing his sentences and somehow snapped sayid out of his zombie-like state of being and that it took sayid so long because he was helping desmond out of the well. That’s what I hope anyway.

    In the FSW, I also think Claire will go into labor sometime soon and end up at the hospital. I’m curious how Kate and Sawyer and Sayid will end up there…I just feel like everyone is gonna meet up there. And my gut is that Juliet is Jack’s ex-wife and will end up at the hospital to pick up david b/c Jack’s performing surgery and can’t take him home by 7.

    Also refresh my memory cause at the moment, I can’t remember…where are ben and miles on the island?

  92. LostGrrl says:

    [quote comment="373621"] Also refresh my memory cause at the moment, I can’t remember…where are ben and miles on the island?[/quote]

    They went off with Richard after Black Rock blew up, instead of going with Hurley to see Locke. Hopefully they’ll swoop in to save the day, sometime soon.

  93. skate says:

    [quote comment="373621"]So I do think Sayid is no longer ‘on the dark side’ …or at least has changed to some degree. In his zombie form he has no feelings as he explained a few episodes ago. Then he told Flocke he just killed an unarmed man in cold blood (or something like that) so he needed a moment…if he had no feeling he wouldn’t need a moment because he wouldn’t care.

    My theory is desmond made a good choice in phrasing his sentences and somehow snapped sayid out of his zombie-like state of being and that it took sayid so long because he was helping desmond out of the well. That’s what I hope anyway.

    In the FSW, I also think Claire will go into labor sometime soon and end up at the hospital. I’m curious how Kate and Sawyer and Sayid will end up there…I just feel like everyone is gonna meet up there. And my gut is that Juliet is Jack’s ex-wife and will end up at the hospital to pick up david b/c Jack’s performing surgery and can’t take him home by 7.

    Also refresh my memory cause at the moment, I can’t remember…where are ben and miles on the island?[/quote]

    As soon as I saw Sun in the hospital it struck me that Juliet may well be the doctor who saves her/baby. Like the time at one of the Dharma hatches when Juliet did the sonogram on Sun, I imagine Juliet doing the same this time to show Sun the baby is ok. Also, meets up w/David at the hospital, as Jack is in surgery, which is usually a several hour ordeal.

  94. skate says:

    [quote comment="373622"][quote comment="373621"] Also refresh my memory cause at the moment, I can’t remember…where are ben and miles on the island?[/quote]

    They went off with Richard after Black Rock blew up, instead of going with Hurley to see Locke. Hopefully they’ll swoop in to save the day, sometime soon.[/quote]

    Ben swooping in to save the day…that would be something. Maybe, finally, his redemption.

  95. Bob from Oxford says:

    I really enjoyed this one – this was a great episode!

    Thoughts:

    First, it is irritating that it sometimes takes our characters days and days (episodes & episodes) to get from one side of the island to the other, then other times, like in this one, Sawyer & Kate are there in no time…whaaat?

    Second: We have seen UnLocke offer something to those dubious of him to entice them to come with him. He offers Richard – chance to be with his wife again, Claire – reuniting with her son, Sayid – reuniting with his wife. My question is: what was/is he offering Jack? Nothing? So is everything UnLocke does just a lie? In any case, Jack does not appear to me to want anything. He has given up on being with Kate since her only motivation is for Claire to be with Aaron again. For that matter, what could he have offered Sawyer and Kate? The chance to leave? They already did that, without his help. These plot points bug me as I like to think we should be able to follow the actions of our characters clearly.

    I do think the explanations on the show are simpler than most of the theories we’ve made up over the years, and more obvious, once made clear, which I enjoy.

    P.S. What are Ben & Richard & Miles doing all this time? (Back to the “This island is only big when it’s convenient for the story” thing).

  96. LostGrrl says:

    Frank Lapidus is bugging me. Why is he still around? It seems like our Losties think he is important… they drag him with them wherever they go. Ilana and crew thought he was important, since “he may be a candidate” (though we now know he’s not).

    So why is he still around? The way I see it, his only value is that he’s a pilot. If Sawyer’s plan works, they’d be leaving by submarine, so they wouldn’t need him. MIB is the one who wants the plane, but he’s the only one who doesn’t seem interested in Lapidus.

    If major characters on LOST will not make it to the end, as is the rumor, I’m betting on Mr. Red Shirt Pilot.

  97. Bob from Oxford says:

    He’s comic relief since Hugo is now too important to crack jokes, and Miles is, well, where is Miles anyway?

    [quote comment="373627"]Frank Lapidus is bugging me. Why is he still around? It seems like our Losties think he is important… they drag him with them wherever they go. Ilana and crew thought he was important, since “he may be a candidate” (though we now know he’s not).

    So why is he still around? The way I see it, his only value is that he’s a pilot. If Sawyer’s plan works, they’d be leaving by submarine, so they wouldn’t need him. MIB is the one who wants the plane, but he’s the only one who doesn’t seem interested in Lapidus.

    If major characters on LOST will not make it to the end, as is the rumor, I’m betting on Mr. Red Shirt Pilot.[/quote]

  98. Miss lost says:

    Not important, but for a moment I thought Sun was going to get zapped when she started running towards Jin….

  99. Miss lost says:

    Did anyone else see or comment about the cut Jack received on his neck after the explosion? It appears to be the same cut that was bleeding on the plane in the first episode of this season.
    Does this change the thought process of when FSW is happening?

  100. Bob from Oxford says:

    Not sure who drew the map for Sawyer, but I’m glad they put the north/south legend on it. Really handy for the Island of Magnetic Anomalies, huh?

  101. LostGrrl says:

    [quote comment="373630"]Did anyone else see or comment about the cut Jack received on his neck after the explosion? It appears to be the same cut that was bleeding on the plane in the first episode of this season. [/quote]

    I don’t think it’s the same wound. Checked on http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/ and it looks like it’s high on his neck. The nick that Jack saw on the plane was below his neck line, I think.

  102. DBM says:

    [quote comment="373617"]Finally, Jin and Sun reunited.

    Conformation for those of us that believed MIB was appearing as Christian all along.

    I would have liked to see all the Losties stay together but I knew Jack and Sawyer would butt heads. I was proud of Jack jumping ship because he was acting on what he truly believed. What he said about Flocke wanting them all to leave was true. Some people bust on Jack for making wrong decisions but Locke has made just as many blunders, the worst being “You have to die to bring them all back.”

    When Kate told Claire that Locke was not Locke and that “he isn’t one of us”, it reminded me of Jack’s tattoo. Wasn’t it translated as “He walks among us but he’s not one of us”?

    I get the impression that Flocke really hates Locke. He puts him down and bad mouths John every chance he gets. Speaking of John I was reminded about how creepy he was in the beginning of season 1. The scenes that stick in my mind the most are when he is sitting on the beach and smiles revealing the orange wedge in his mouth AND when he whispers to Walt “Do you want to know a secret?”

    Does it seem like Smokey was after John as soon as they crashed or am I over analyzing? I just get this weird feeling like they’re inter-twined somehow or Locke was slowly being possessed (?) by Smokey from the beginning. Maybe the creepy factor was to keep us enthralled and guessing who is this strange man.[/quote]

    It’s funny that you bring up Locke’s inherent “weirdness” from Day 1 on the island. My wife and I re-watched every ep this summer/fall in anticipation of this season and were immediately struck by some of John’s bizarre behaviors, inc. a seeming knack for being in the right place at the right time for certain things. I can’t recall every instance, but one that sticks in my head involves Jack slipping off a cliff while chasing Christian, only to have Locke appear out of nowhere (I think he said he was hunting boar) and pull him to safety. I doubt Locke was “supernatural” in any way at that point (i.e. Flocke), but it makes you wonder about him…if you watch all the old eps, or have a photographic memory I’m sure you’ll think fo others.

  103. Leslie says:

    [quote comment="373629"]Not important, but for a moment I thought Sun was going to get zapped when she started running towards Jin….[/quote]

    That is exactly what I thought! FINALLY they are reunited and they run through the electronic fence and ZAP! Very glad that didn’t happen.

  104. Leslie says:

    Just a silly observation–but did the FSW knock Ilana’s accent right out of her? Now that I’m thinking about it, Sayid has been much more “English” since his coming back from the dead.

  105. MILK says:

    [quote comment="373599"]Whoever said Flocke was not really Christian makes a great point….he cannot leave the island…therefore, how could he have been on the freighter or at the hospital??[/quote]

    Christian on the freighter I think is explainable as Flocke. The freighter was within a certain range because it moved with the Island (Gin moved with the island). It doesn’t explain a whole lot and it doesn’t help the Christian at the hospital.

  106. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="373629"]Not important, but for a moment I thought Sun was going to get zapped when she started running towards Jin….[/quote]
    LOL, I thought the same thing, that she was gonna die running to Jin as a ‘shocker’. But the ‘shocker’ instead was that Widmore turned on them…not AS shocking.

  107. Jason says:

    [quote comment="373636"][quote comment="373599"]Whoever said Flocke was not really Christian makes a great point….he cannot leave the island…therefore, how could he have been on the freighter or at the hospital??[/quote]

    Christian on the freighter I think is explainable as Flocke. The freighter was within a certain range because it moved with the Island (Gin moved with the island).

    It doesn’t explain a whole lot and it doesn’t help the Christian at the hospital.[/quote]
    _______________________________________
    He said he cannot travel over water….so how could he get to the freighter?

  108. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="373636"][quote comment="373599"]Whoever said Flocke was not really Christian makes a great point….he cannot leave the island…therefore, how could he have been on the freighter or at the hospital??[/quote]

    Christian on the freighter I think is explainable as Flocke. The freighter was within a certain range because it moved with the Island (Gin moved with the island).

    It doesn’t explain a whole lot and it doesn’t help the Christian at the hospital.[/quote]
    Repeating myself from the “Package” thread:

    Hammer
    Comment 207, posted 2 weeks, 1 day ago – Quote and reply
    Flordia in July wrote:
    something I didn’t catch until after doing some reading online (or atleast did not see the connection) was that MIB cannot cross bodies of water. He needs a boat to do so. SO Christian who appeared to Walt’s dad on Witmores ship could not have been smokey. Neither could he/it be Christian when he appeared to Jack in the hospital lobby. This gives creedence to the theory that there are definitly two Christians (MIB version and “good/original” Christian)… I wonder if this also applies to Claire (the one who appeared to Kate in Aarons room) and wierd/crazy Claire…
    My current take is that MIB’s ‘being’ can’t travel across water. Apparitions, spirits, illusions, telepathy maybe can. I think what we are to assume is the MIB is trapped on the island. If he ‘appears’ off island…his essence is still trapped. Think of it as as a visual phone call. You can see him, but he’s not there.

  109. Hammer says:

    Something I noticed is that MIB makes a deal with someone, then tells them they have to do MORE if they want to see the deal happen.

  110. MILK says:

    [quote comment="373639"][quote comment="373636"][quote comment="373599"]Whoever said Flocke was not really Christian makes a great point….he cannot leave the island…therefore, how could he have been on the freighter or at the hospital??[/quote]

    Christian on the freighter I think is explainable as Flocke. The freighter was within a certain range because it moved with the Island (Gin moved with the island).

    It doesn’t explain a whole lot and it doesn’t help the Christian at the hospital.[/quote]
    Repeating myself from the “Package” thread:

    Hammer
    Comment 207, posted 2 weeks, 1 day ago – Quote and reply
    Flordia in July wrote:
    something I didn’t catch until after doing some reading online (or atleast did not see the connection) was that MIB cannot cross bodies of water. He needs a boat to do so. SO Christian who appeared to Walt’s dad on Witmores ship could not have been smokey. Neither could he/it be Christian when he appeared to Jack in the hospital lobby. This gives creedence to the theory that there are definitly two Christians (MIB version and “good/original” Christian)… I wonder if this also applies to Claire (the one who appeared to Kate in Aarons room) and wierd/crazy Claire…
    My current take is that MIB’s ‘being’ can’t travel across water. Apparitions, spirits, illusions, telepathy maybe can. I think what we are to assume is the MIB is trapped on the island. If he ‘appears’ off island…his essence is still trapped. Think of it as as a visual phone call. You can see him, but he’s not there.[/quote]

    But Locke’s body landed on Hydra island with the plane and Smokey took it over without a boat taking the smoke over. I think he travels by boat when he wants to and can travel without it when he wants to. I think Hydra island and the area surrounding it is still part of the “island” he is trapped on.

  111. Bacon Is My Constant says:

    also, MIB’s apparition rules (appearing off-island) may have been different before he was “stuck” as Locke.

  112. Gemi525 says:

    Whoever said Flocke was not really Christian makes a great point….he cannot leave the island…therefore, how could he have been on the freighter or at the hospital??

    : Well maybe Flocke was lying. But perhaps it was actually Jacob pretending to be Christian instead.

  113. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="373641"][quote comment="373639"][quote comment="373636"][quote comment="373599"][/quote][/quote]
    [/quote]

    But Locke’s body landed on Hydra island with the plane and Smokey took it over without a boat taking the smoke over. I think he travels by boat when he wants to and can travel without it when he wants to. I think Hydra island and the area surrounding it is still part of the “island” he is trapped on.[/quote]
    MIB didn’t take over Locke’s body, Locke’s body is buried.

    My take is that he took the form of a dead person and used a boat to get to hydra, then took the form of Locke and we saw him take a boat back to the main island.

  114. Jason says:

    [quote comment="373641"][quote comment="373639"][quote comment="373636"][quote comment="373599"]Whoever said Flocke was not really Christian makes a great point….he cannot leave the island…therefore, how could he have been on the freighter or at the hospital??[/quote]

    Christian on the freighter I think is explainable as Flocke. The freighter was within a certain range because it moved with the Island (Gin moved with the island).

    It doesn’t explain a whole lot and it doesn’t help the Christian at the hospital.[/quote]
    Repeating myself from the “Package” thread:

    Hammer
    Comment 207, posted 2 weeks, 1 day ago – Quote and reply
    Flordia in July wrote:
    something I didn’t catch until after doing some reading online (or atleast did not see the connection) was that MIB cannot cross bodies of water. He needs a boat to do so. SO Christian who appeared to Walt’s dad on Witmores ship could not have been smokey. Neither could he/it be Christian when he appeared to Jack in the hospital lobby. This gives creedence to the theory that there are definitly two Christians (MIB version and “good/original” Christian)… I wonder if this also applies to Claire (the one who appeared to Kate in Aarons room) and wierd/crazy Claire…
    My current take is that MIB’s ‘being’ can’t travel across water. Apparitions, spirits, illusions, telepathy maybe can. I think what we are to assume is the MIB is trapped on the island. If he ‘appears’ off island…his essence is still trapped. Think of it as as a visual phone call. You can see him, but he’s not there.[/quote]

    But Locke’s body landed on Hydra island with the plane and Smokey took it over without a boat taking the smoke over. I think he travels by boat when he wants to and can travel without it when he wants to. I think Hydra island and the area surrounding it is still part of the “island” he is trapped on.[/quote]
    ________________________________________
    I don’t because he made Sawyer go over there…Sawyer asked why he just didn’t go himself and Locke pretty much said he can’t. I just can’t buy the fact that he was really on the freighter or the hospital…even in the form that Hammer described.

  115. Burley son of Hurley says:

    [quote comment="373643"]Whoever said Flocke was not really Christian makes a great point….he cannot leave the island…therefore, how could he have been on the freighter or at the hospital??

    : Well maybe Flocke was lying. But perhaps it was actually Jacob pretending to be Christian instead.[/quote]
    _____________

    You always have to assume that MIB/fLocke is lying (manipulating). The only one that has him “figured” out is Jack, basically taking the view point of doing the opposite of whatever fLocke says (MIB says leave the island;Jack says maybe not such a good idea). We will see how long that lasts.

    I still think there are at least 2 Christians. I am in the Jack camp right now and basically accept the opposite of what the MIB says…

    Another point I found interesting was fLocke’s hatred of John. Basically ripping him to shreds calling him a gullible fool. Did anyone else think this felt like a set up for the “reincarnation” of Locke. Basically setting up a final confrontation with J. Locke leading the charge against the MIB…

  116. Dez Sez says:

    [quote comment="373636"][quote comment="373599"]Whoever said Flocke was not really Christian makes a great point….he cannot leave the island…therefore, how could he have been on the freighter or at the hospital??[/quote]

    Christian on the freighter I think is explainable as Flocke. The freighter was within a certain range because it moved with the Island (Gin moved with the island).

    It doesn’t explain a whole lot and it doesn’t help the Christian at the hospital.[/quote]

    So my theory is that JACOB could also take the form of those who were dead. As we know Jacob CAN leave the island. So maybe it was Jacob, and not MIB who took the form of Christain at the hospital. That might also explain some of the “positive” interactions that our Losties have had with dead folk on the island!

  117. MILK says:

    [quote comment="373643"]Whoever said Flocke was not really Christian makes a great point….he cannot leave the island…therefore, how could he have been on the freighter or at the hospital??

    : Well maybe Flocke was lying. But perhaps it was actually Jacob pretending to be Christian instead.[/quote]

    This really just shows that we don’t know what is going on. We can go with the idea that everything Flocke says is a lie, everything but the fact that he is stuck on the island. But now even that is in question with Christian in the hospital (which I don’t think was MIB – I think there are 2 Christians). Why didn’t Jack ask about that one. And what is that about Locke being buried. That was well after MIB took on his form. I think it is a stretch to think he went into a dead body, rowed to Hydra and waited for Locke’s body to return.

  118. Bacon Is My Constant says:

    My boss said “what if Des died during the electroblast and Jacob took him over? That’s why he’s different.” Not totally on board with that yet, but interesting. I HAVE thought that FSW-Des seems Jacob-like in his “intervening” with our Losties as well as his bond with Ilana. A step further, if FSW-Locke is MIB, and Des is the new Jacob/protector, I can see Des running over Locke, knowing that he can’t die. *throws a white rock into the ocean* ;-)

  119. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="373648"][quote comment="373643"][/quote]

    And what is that about Locke being buried. That was well after MIB took on his form. I think it is a stretch to think he went into a dead body, rowed to Hydra and waited for Locke’s body to return.[/quote]
    No…there are plenty of dead bodies strewn about the island that MIB could have TAKEN THE FORM OF and boated across water. HE NEVER TAKES OVER A BODY. You posted the words “Locke’s body landed on Hydra island with the plane and Smokey took it over”. I am saying that MIB did not, does not, and will not take over any body, but that he COULD have taken the form of any dead body on the island and transported himself from island to island.

  120. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="373649"]My boss said “what if Des died during the electroblast and Jacob took him over? That’s why he’s different.” Not totally on board with that yet, but interesting. I HAVE thought that FSW-Des seems Jacob-like in his “intervening” with our Losties as well as his bond with Ilana. A step further, if FSW-Locke is MIB, and Des is the new Jacob/protector, I can see Des running over Locke, knowing that he can’t die. *throws a white rock into the ocean* ;-)[/quote]
    Oh I like that Bacon, it’s a game changer.

    That may have been the sacrifice Widmore meant.

    Also, Des’s comments to Sayid sounded like something Jacob would say.

  121. twin field says:

    [quote comment="373646"][quote comment="373643"]Whoever said Flocke was not really Christian makes a great point….he cannot leave the island…therefore, how could he have been on the freighter or at the hospital??

    : Well maybe Flocke was lying. But perhaps it was actually Jacob pretending to be Christian instead.[/quote]
    _____________

    You always have to assume that MIB/fLocke is lying (manipulating). The only one that has him “figured” out is Jack, basically taking the view point of doing the opposite of whatever fLocke says (MIB says leave the island;Jack says maybe not such a good idea). We will see how long that lasts.

    I still think there are at least 2 Christians. I am in the Jack camp right now and basically accept the opposite of what the MIB says…

    Another point I found interesting was fLocke’s hatred of John. Basically ripping him to shreds calling him a gullible fool. Did anyone else think this felt like a set up for the “reincarnation” of Locke. Basically setting up a final confrontation with J. Locke leading the charge against the MIB…[/quote]

    I’m definitely with you when it comes to Flocke v. John. If Flocke was so gullible and foolish, then why was he right when he told Jack and crew not to leave the island the first time? Also, Jack’s conversation with Sawyer…Jack used words straight out of Locke’s playbook.

    We should also remember that Jack running after Christian in the jungle almost got him killed in season 1 (I think that was mentioned in a different context in an earlier post). In fact, other people almost got killed (or got killed) by following apparitions: Hurley and Eko come to mind. They weren’t led to water.

  122. JustSayin says:

    What if all of the Candidates are not actually on the island as a result of Jacob, as everyone thinks, but are actually brought there by Flocke.
    What if they are all “Candidates” to be part of Flocke’s army to help him get off the island and not really Candidates to replace Jacob at all.

  123. twin field says:

    [quote comment="373652"][quote comment="373646"][quote comment="373643"]Whoever said Flocke was not really Christian makes a great point….he cannot leave the island…therefore, how could he have been on the freighter or at the hospital??

    : Well maybe Flocke was lying. But perhaps it was actually Jacob pretending to be Christian instead.[/quote]
    _____________

    You always have to assume that MIB/fLocke is lying (manipulating). The only one that has him “figured” out is Jack, basically taking the view point of doing the opposite of whatever fLocke says (MIB says leave the island;Jack says maybe not such a good idea). We will see how long that lasts.

    I still think there are at least 2 Christians. I am in the Jack camp right now and basically accept the opposite of what the MIB says…

    Another point I found interesting was fLocke’s hatred of John. Basically ripping him to shreds calling him a gullible fool. Did anyone else think this felt like a set up for the “reincarnation” of Locke. Basically setting up a final confrontation with J. Locke leading the charge against the MIB…[/quote]

    I’m definitely with you when it comes to Flocke v. John. If Flocke was so gullible and foolish, then why was he right when he told Jack and crew not to leave the island the first time? Also, Jack’s conversation with Sawyer…Jack used words straight out of Locke’s playbook.

    We should also remember that Jack running after Christian in the jungle almost got him killed in season 1 (I think that was mentioned in a different context in an earlier post). In fact, other people almost got killed (or got killed) by following apparitions: Hurley and Eko come to mind. They weren’t led to water.[/quote]

    Or I should say they were led to water, but not the life-saving kind.

    That’s what is so sinister about MIB, who claims to have led Jack to water. Which water, for drinking or drowning?

  124. Duke says:

    [quote comment="373532"][quote comment="373531"][quote comment="373530"]
    I am still trying to figure out why Locke would remember the island if Desmond ran over him. He was already in a wheel chair and had been hurt before..unless somehow he’s hit by Desmond and he remembers the island healed him or something…[/quote]

    Not sure why he wouldn’t have had his “moment of clarity” when he had the accident that put him in the wheelchair (though we really don’t know how he got that way in the sideways world).

    Perhaps the difference is that this time someone related to the Island was involved, and Locke’s car accident is equivalent to Charlie’s near-death experience on the plane.[/quote]

    I think your accident has to occur after flight 815. That seems like what is happening to everybody else.[/quote]

    I think it has to happen after they went to the island in that timeline. Locke couldn’t have “remembered” the island during whatever happened to put him in the wheelchair presumably because that happened before he went to the island in the other timeline.

  125. LostGrrl says:

    [quote comment="373651"][quote comment="373649"]My boss said “what if Des died during the electroblast and Jacob took him over? That’s why he’s different.” Not totally on board with that yet, but interesting. I HAVE thought that FSW-Des seems Jacob-like in his “intervening” with our Losties as well as his bond with Ilana. A step further, if FSW-Locke is MIB, and Des is the new Jacob/protector, I can see Des running over Locke, knowing that he can’t die. *throws a white rock into the ocean* ;-)[/quote]
    Oh I like that Bacon, it’s a game changer.

    That may have been the sacrifice Widmore meant.

    Also, Des’s comments to Sayid sounded like something Jacob would say.[/quote]

    I like that theory, too. Des has a calm, all-knowing air about him, as Jacob does. Although Widmore seemed surprised by Des’ cooperation after his electromagnetic blast. IF Des is now the essence of Jacob (don’t say he “took over” Jacob’s body — Hammer doesn’t like that…), Widmore doesn’t know it.

  126. Burley son of Hurley says:

    [quote comment="373654"][quote comment="373652"][quote comment="373646"][quote comment="373643"]Whoever said Flocke was not really Christian makes a great point….he cannot leave the island…therefore, how could he have been on the freighter or at the hospital??

    : Well maybe Flocke was lying. But perhaps it was actually Jacob pretending to be Christian instead.[/quote]
    _____________

    You always have to assume that MIB/fLocke is lying (manipulating). The only one that has him “figured” out is Jack, basically taking the view point of doing the opposite of whatever fLocke says (MIB says leave the island;Jack says maybe not such a good idea). We will see how long that lasts.

    I still think there are at least 2 Christians. I am in the Jack camp right now and basically accept the opposite of what the MIB says…

    Another point I found interesting was fLocke’s hatred of John. Basically ripping him to shreds calling him a gullible fool. Did anyone else think this felt like a set up for the “reincarnation” of Locke. Basically setting up a final confrontation with J. Locke leading the charge against the MIB…[/quote]

    I’m definitely with you when it comes to Flocke v. John. If Flocke was so gullible and foolish, then why was he right when he told Jack and crew not to leave the island the first time? Also, Jack’s conversation with Sawyer…Jack used words straight out of Locke’s playbook.

    We should also remember that Jack running after Christian in the jungle almost got him killed in season 1 (I think that was mentioned in a different context in an earlier post). In fact, other people almost got killed (or got killed) by following apparitions: Hurley and Eko come to mind. They weren’t led to water.[/quote]

    Or I should say they were led to water, but not the life-saving kind.

    That’s what is so sinister about MIB, who claims to have led Jack to water. Which water, for drinking or drowning?[/quote]
    ______

    There is also a religious cannotation in the “water” remark. The new testament talks about the water that gives eternal life, from which you will no longer be thirsty again. While I dont think LOST will end up being a straight up Judeo-Christian interpretation of God vs devil, the MIB makes a very good case of being that evil entity that can manipulate/promise but CANNOT force you to join the darkside (sidenote: anyone catch that starwars reference by hurley about being able to turn sayid/claire from the darkside).

    I just take this as the show hitting us over the head with these references as illustrating the clear distinsion between MIB/Jacob or freewill v determinism.

  127. Miraks says:

    [quote comment="373603"][quote comment="373594"]

    However, to play devil’s advocate, when Jack asks Flocke why he appeared as his father, Flocke says that they needed water so he helped him find water. How would Flocke know that tid bit? Can we assume that he just knows everything that goes on on the island?[/quote]

    If he knew everything that goes on on the island, he would not have needed to go and find Sayid, or have been surprised about Desmond, or unaware that Losties were about to bolt…

  128. Duke says:

    Just wondering if anyone else was “letdown” with the Sun and Jin reunion? It was anticlimatic for me. Nowhere near on par with Desmond and Penny from The Constant or the episode where she finds the Losties in the ocean and finally sees Desmond.

    Also another point on the reunion, wouldn’t Widmore’s group have the sonic fence turned on to assist in keeping Flocke out? Which is why they put the fence up in the first place. It seemed as though Sun just ran right past the pylons into Jin’s waiting embrace. At least one of them had to cross the pylons to reach the other. I was half expecting one of them to get “zapped” when trying to get to one another.

  129. Miraks says:

    [quote comment="373609"]Thoughts on who is the Last Recruit? Obvious answer is Jack, since MIB worked on him throughout the ep to get him on MIB’s side.

    But wondering if the person doing the “recruiting” might instead be Des. Perhaps the Last Recruit is Sayid, who is now conning MIB. I doubt Sayid killed Des, as he told MIB. And he was away from MIB for a long time, enough, perhaps, for Des to sway him back from the dark side?

    Sideways Des is certainly “recruiting.” I wonder why it was so important for him to facilitate the Claire/Jack meeting?[/quote]

    Maybe the last recruit is Lapidus? I have listed all the reasons before. Still think he is important, and not just a red shirt.

  130. twin field says:

    [quote comment="373660"][quote comment="373609"]Thoughts on who is the Last Recruit? Obvious answer is Jack, since MIB worked on him throughout the ep to get him on MIB’s side.

    But wondering if the person doing the “recruiting” might instead be Des. Perhaps the Last Recruit is Sayid, who is now conning MIB. I doubt Sayid killed Des, as he told MIB. And he was away from MIB for a long time, enough, perhaps, for Des to sway him back from the dark side?

    Sideways Des is certainly “recruiting.” I wonder why it was so important for him to facilitate the Claire/Jack meeting?[/quote]

    Maybe the last recruit is Lapidus? I have listed all the reasons before. Still think he is important, and not just a red shirt.[/quote]

    He’s important, at least for a Burt Reynolds movie.

  131. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="373656"][quote comment="373651"][quote comment="373649"]M[/quote]
    [/quote]IF Des is now the essence of Jacob (don’t say he “took over” Jacob’s body — Hammer doesn’t like that…), Widmore doesn’t know it.[/quote]
    Assuming you meant Jacob taking over Des’s body…I don’t have a problem with that yet because we don’t know what Jacob can or cannot do. We do know that MIB did not take over Locke’s body. But yes, Widmore wouldn’t know that happened.

  132. z says:

    Am I the only one to think that the well Flocke threw Des into was much deeper last week than it was last night? What kind of an inconsistency was that?

  133. Miraks says:

    1. Get rid of Zoe! Pleease! She is so distracting. Every time I see her I think Tina Fey.

    2. Who is David? The way he was talking yesterday, he seemed much wiser/ mature. He reminded me a lot of the way Jacob talks.

    3. If Jack operates on Locke, saves his life, lets him walk again,(aka Sarah)… will Locke leave Helen and him and Jack be the new IT couple?

  134. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="373651"][quote comment="373649"]My boss said “what if Des died during the electroblast and Jacob took him over? That’s why he’s different.” Not totally on board with that yet, but interesting. I HAVE thought that FSW-Des seems Jacob-like in his “intervening” with our Losties as well as his bond with Ilana. A step further, if FSW-Locke is MIB, and Des is the new Jacob/protector, I can see Des running over Locke, knowing that he can’t die. *throws a white rock into the ocean* ;-)[/quote]
    Oh I like that Bacon, it’s a game changer.

    That may have been the sacrifice Widmore meant.

    Also, Des’s comments to Sayid sounded like something Jacob would say.[/quote]
    Maybe that’s why Jacob hasn’t ‘visited’ Hugo lately.

  135. Seajam says:

    [/quote]
    Maybe that’s why Jacob hasn’t ‘visited’ Hugo lately.[/quote]

    That actually made me think what if MIB had taken the form of Jacob when he appeared to Hurley, thereby getting Sayid to the temple and putting Sayid on the road to becoming one of Flocke’s henchman. Sure it may have backfired on him.

  136. Seajam says:

    Sorry Hammer, I screwed up the quotes.
    That may however conflict with the idea that Smokie is stuck as Flocke now. This would also mean he could not have been Flocke on the Hydra island and Christian on the main island with Sun, Frank and Ben. Was it established why he can’t take another form anymore?

  137. Miss lost says:

    I am going to go on record as saying I think MIB was being honest with Jack about taking the form of his father. I do think that this was their attempt at answering a question.
    Even Claire tried to confirm that he took on their fathers form.
    The part that seems deceiving was when he explained why he chose John Locke. Jack did not buy it and I think even more he is realizing that Locke did know things…that the island did comunicate with him. He may not have been “all knowing” (i say that lightly) as Jacob appeared to be, but the island did guide him many times.
    I think Jack is starting to rely on his instincts and “trust” what the island is telling him.
    Finally, I do think the theory about Jacob being Des now is interesting, but what we might be seeing in Desmond is just a sense of clarity. He has SEEN things and so he knows what he has to do!
    I think Desmond is doing these things to save the people he loves and to get back to them.

  138. Miss lost says:

    [quote comment="373667"]Sorry Hammer, I screwed up the quotes.
    That may however conflict with the idea that Smokie is stuck as Flocke now. This would also mean he could not have been Flocke on the Hydra island and Christian on the main island with Sun, Frank and Ben. Was it established why he can’t take another form anymore?[/quote]

    ************
    I can’t remember if they actually told us why he can’t, but i was thinking it might be because Jacob was killed?

    It could be that he broke the rule (when Jacob was killed) and even though it was not he that did it, Jacob was still killed.

  139. Bromsbie says:

    The key has to be the kid in the jungle talking about the rules “you know the rules.”

    Rules imply that there is a higher authority enforcing them. The kid in the jungle just makes a remark and wanders back into the jungle! Me thinks there are others watching the ongoing Jacob/MIB struggle, maybe MIB’s crazy mom is holding score from the jungle.

    Also if MIB cannot be killed by Widmore’s rockets, what’s the point of killing everyone around him? On the otherhand if the recruits are that crucial to his plan what’s the point of the warning, just do it!!!

    The whole thing feels like a game with “rules” that have a tendency to be broken.

  140. rowjimmy says:

    With the whole Christian debate don’t forget we also have a missing body in BOTH timelines.

  141. Burley son of Hurley says:

    [quote comment="373670"]The key has to be the kid in the jungle talking about the rules “you know the rules.”

    Rules imply that there is a higher authority enforcing them. The kid in the jungle just makes a remark and wanders back into the jungle! Me thinks there are others watching the ongoing Jacob/MIB struggle, maybe MIB’s crazy mom is holding score from the jungle.

    Also if MIB cannot be killed by Widmore’s rockets, what’s the point of killing everyone around him? On the otherhand if the recruits are that crucial to his plan what’s the point of the warning, just do it!!!

    The whole thing feels like a game with “rules” that have a tendency to be broken.[/quote]
    ____

    There have to be dire consequences for the MIB to feel bound by the “rules.” This is why I do not believe MIB has “broken” the rules because he seems to still be “playing” the game. So while I agree that others may be watching/enforcing these rules, I dont think anyone has violated them at least not MIB/Jacob because that would in essence end-the-game…

  142. Jason says:

    [quote comment="373671"]With the whole Christian debate don’t forget we also have a missing body in BOTH timelines.[/quote]
    _______________________________________
    I know that FLocke saying he took the form of Christian could be the writers’ attempts at “answering” a question, but I’d sure hate for it to be so inaccurate…..I’ve been thinking and thinking about people’s takes on this and I just cannot get over the fact that he was clearly off the island in two separate instances. For the writers to goof up that badly would be somewhat sad……

  143. Bromsbie says:

    [quote comment="373672"][quote comment="373670"]The key has to be the kid in the jungle talking about the rules “you know the rules.”

    Rules imply that there is a higher authority enforcing them. The kid in the jungle just makes a remark and wanders back into the jungle! Me thinks there are others watching the ongoing Jacob/MIB struggle, maybe MIB’s crazy mom is holding score from the jungle.

    Also if MIB cannot be killed by Widmore’s rockets, what’s the point of killing everyone around him? On the otherhand if the recruits are that crucial to his plan what’s the point of the warning, just do it!!!

    The whole thing feels like a game with “rules” that have a tendency to be broken.[/quote]
    ____

    There have to be dire consequences for the MIB to feel bound by the “rules.” This is why I do not believe MIB has “broken” the rules because he seems to still be “playing” the game. So while I agree that others may be watching/enforcing these rules, I dont think anyone has violated them at least not MIB/Jacob because that would in essence end-the-game…[/quote]

    Going by what the Jungle Kid told Flocke, he has broken the rules. His reaction to the kid and Sawyer being able to see him was strange too. He acted surprised that mortals could see him as well but his reaction towards the kid was one of dealing with a peer or an equal. Clearly the kid isn’t scared of MIB, he was there to express displeasure!

    With 3 hours left in the show and as a day-1 follower, I’m beginning to feel that whatever explanation we get at the end for the crux of the story, it will be a major letdown.

    It will be super hard to rationalize the several hundred people that died over 6 seasons because Jacob and MIB were just playing on their little island.

  144. Ned says:

    Flocke must be Christian. He took Claire away with him and she’s been with him ever since. And who said that we now know that Frank isn’t a candidate? How so?

  145. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="373675"] And who said that we now know that Frank isn’t a candidate? How so?[/quote]
    Ever since MIB said he was gonna fly off Hydra, I have assumed that he killed the original pilot way back in the beginning (BTW, more proof this wasn’t made up as it went along) because he was the WRONG pilot. Frank was supposed to be the pilot because on the original flight. The island eventually got him back (course correction). Ilana didn’t know who the candidates were at the time she said it and that was the writers way of telling us why he’s still alive.

  146. wally p says:

    you guys, I’m still catching up,,, but I’m really into all of these Flocke was NOT Chritian theorys… I automatically assumed that he was, but now???

    On one hand, Locke asking Jack “why dont you just ask me…” does sound like a trick, but on the other Christian did ask the same thing to Locke (“why don’t you ask me the question that matters?”) or something like that… SO, He could know that cuz he is locke, or he could know it cuz he always watches the island…

    What I figure now, is that fLockes whole plan has to do with the fact that he has watched the island, basically for all time… he knows what will happen, because he has already seen it before, and he knows pretty much everyones move… genius the way it turns out that Locke was hands down the best person to mimic in terms of tricking Jack… even seems to me that Jack jumped off the boat, because something inside him knew that he needed to go back to Locke, just like it had happened before…

    so good the way this show can just SUDDENLY make sense the way it does…

  147. LostGrrl says:

    [quote comment="373675"] And who said that we now know that Frank isn’t a candidate? How so?[/quote]

    His name hasn’t been seen in the cave or the lighthouse. (And because MIB doesn’t care whether Lapidus comes with them.)

  148. wally p says:

    [quote comment="373658"][quote comment="373603"][quote comment="373594"]

    However, to play devil’s advocate, when Jack asks Flocke why he appeared as his father, Flocke says that they needed water so he helped him find water. How would Flocke know that tid bit? Can we assume that he just knows everything that goes on on the island?[/quote]

    If he knew everything that goes on on the island, he would not have needed to go and find Sayid, or have been surprised about Desmond, or unaware that Losties were about to bolt…[/quote]

    I think MIB might know everything, but (think about how Desmond knew Charlie was gonna die…) he can see it happening in different ways… MIB is trying to change what happens, so he knows that he needs to make those things change… make sense? He told Sayid to kill Desmond… that part didn’t happen before…

  149. The Last Recruit says:

    [quote comment="373551"]@Miss Lost or whomever else – Man I watched this awesome show on Science network last night (on a random channel changing whim) and it was all about Time travel…Being the LOST fan I am I watched it for any detail that could help me figure out the current situation on the show…I think I found one…Imagine 2 trains speeding side by side…1 is Losties universe A and the other 1 is FSW-universe…The island is the check-in station where the trains merge (converge)…When you exit the island it’s now one single track…Everything not on Train 1 will be there when it merges with train 2 (The universes solution to a 2-timeline paradox)…As it leaves the Island this new train is the new single universe (fresh with photo shopped memories for the island losties like what happened to Desmond in season 5)…This was the importance of introducing the mental-time travel aspect…

    That’s where I think LOST is heading and I think people who we see as being dead won’t be dead anymore once it turns into a single track again….

    I got some more ideas on this if requested…[/quote]

    I’ve been reading this blog for a while and this is my first time to comment. First I’ll say that this is a great show and I enjoy reading the blogs and will miss it when it’s all over. Now, if this train scenario is the ticket (pun intended) then essentially the Losties that are “dead” on island time but alive in the FSW would come out alive after the “converge” on the island and therefore Locke would still be alive and come back to take his body back over and boot MIB. I dunno but I think there is something to MIB belittling Locke so much in this and previous episodes. I’m excited to see how it will all come together!

  150. jake says:

    Hey all – lurker making first post.

    I’m not as knowledgeable as most on this board, but didn’t Ben shoot Locke and leave him for dead in the Dharma mass grave a couple seasons ago? Could Locke not have died at that point? Could MIB not have been Locke from that point on?

    Sincere apologies if this is way off base and/or has been discussed previously.

    Love reading this board…

  151. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="373681"]Hey all – lurker making first post.

    I’m not as knowledgeable as most on this board, but didn’t Ben shoot Locke and leave him for dead in the Dharma mass grave a couple seasons ago? Could Locke not have died at that point? Could MIB not have been Locke from that point on?

    Sincere apologies if this is way off base and/or has been discussed previously.

    Love reading this board…[/quote]
    Not likely, since he turned the wheel and got off the island. He would have just stayed off the island. Not to mention that he wouldn’t have been able to be strangled since he isn’t really a human, he just took the form of one. Plus, that would leave a Locke body in the mass grave as well as one in the cemetary on the island. Too many bodies….

  152. Martin says:

    has anyone notice that it NEVER rains on that island?

  153. Gemi525 says:

    [quote comment="373659"]Just wondering if anyone else was “letdown” with the Sun and Jin reunion? It was anticlimatic for me. Nowhere near on par with Desmond and Penny from The Constant or the episode where she finds the Losties in the ocean and finally sees Desmond.

    Also another point on the reunion, wouldn’t Widmore’s group have the sonic fence turned on to assist in keeping Flocke out? Which is why they put the fence up in the first place. It seemed as though Sun just ran right past the pylons into Jin’s waiting embrace. At least one of them had to cross the pylons to reach the other. I was half expecting one of them to get “zapped” when trying to get to one another.[/quote]

    When Sawyer and his group arrive on Hydra island, Zoe radios Whitmore and she mentions something about turning off the fence. Which is why they were not zapped.

  154. Mr. $tuart says:

    [quote comment="373683"]has anyone notice that it NEVER rains on that island?[/quote]
    What?

  155. LostGrrl says:

    [quote comment="373683"]has anyone notice that it NEVER rains on that island?[/quote]

    Sure it does. But you’re right… we haven’t seen it rain since the first few seasons. Jacob and MIB must think it’s inconvenient to their experiment.

  156. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="373686"][quote comment="373683"]has anyone notice that it NEVER rains on that island?[/quote]

    Sure it does. But you’re right… we haven’t seen it rain since the first few seasons. Jacob and MIB must think it’s inconvenient to their experiment.[/quote]
    Well, there was that really small storm in Ab Aeterno this season. ;)

  157. GAGirl says:

    [quote comment="373665"][quote comment="373651"][quote comment="373649"]My boss said “what if Des died during the electroblast and Jacob took him over? That’s why he’s different.” Not totally on board with that yet, but interesting. I HAVE thought that FSW-Des seems Jacob-like in his “intervening” with our Losties as well as his bond with Ilana. A step further, if FSW-Locke is MIB, and Des is the new Jacob/protector, I can see Des running over Locke, knowing that he can’t die. *throws a white rock into the ocean* ;-)[/quote]
    Oh I like that Bacon, it’s a game changer.

    That may have been the sacrifice Widmore meant.

    Also, Des’s comments to Sayid sounded like something Jacob would say.[/quote]
    Maybe that’s why Jacob hasn’t ‘visited’ Hugo lately.[/quote]
    Could this be why Flocke wanted Des in the well? Flocke looked like he really hated Des during the well scene. So is this why Flocke’s push didn’t kill Des, and why Flocke had to send Sayid to do it…
    Really liking the Des=Jacob theory!

  158. jake says:

    [quote comment="373682"][quote comment="373681"]Hey all – lurker making first post.

    I’m not as knowledgeable as most on this board, but didn’t Ben shoot Locke and leave him for dead in the Dharma mass grave a couple seasons ago? Could Locke not have died at that point? Could MIB not have been Locke from that point on?

    Sincere apologies if this is way off base and/or has been discussed previously.

    Love reading this board…[/quote]
    Not likely, since he turned the wheel and got off the island. He would have just stayed off the island. Not to mention that he wouldn’t have been able to be strangled since he isn’t really a human, he just took the form of one. Plus, that would leave a Locke body in the mass grave as well as one in the cemetary on the island. Too many bodies….[/quote]

    Agree you are probably right, but…

    Locke turned the donkey wheel, which (1) sunk the island (as it is in FSW), and (2) induced the timeline skips/created a parallel world?

    Could the timeline skips (which allowed there to be 2 Lockes in the same place at the same time phenomenon) be the “loophole” that MIB found?

    Maybe MIB created the second timeline but then had to return to the island (via time flash) in order to kill Jacob and get all people who are living in both realms to go with him to the other side, thereby removing all people who are living in both places at the same time from one of the environments and eliminating the existence of that dimension.

    Just a rambling thought…

  159. Jake says:

    [quote comment="373653"]What if all of the Candidates are not actually on the island as a result of Jacob, as everyone thinks, but are actually brought there by Flocke.
    What if they are all “Candidates” to be part of Flocke’s army to help him get off the island and not really Candidates to replace Jacob at all.[/quote]

    I think this is likely, or there is a chance they are candidates for both Flocke and Jacob’s replacement.

    Also, were was Ben in this episode? Was he seen at all on the island? Maybe in the background… but it seems weird he didn’t get into the plot this week.

  160. Jake says:

    [quote comment="373663"]Am I the only one to think that the well Flocke threw Des into was much deeper last week than it was last night? What kind of an inconsistency was that?[/quote]

    Definitely seemed that way. Seemed 2 or 3 times deeper in the previous episode.

  161. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="373689"][quote comment="373682"][quote comment="373681"][/quote]
    [/quote]

    Agree you are probably right, but…

    Locke turned the donkey wheel, which (1) sunk the island (as it is in FSW), and (2) induced the timeline skips/created a parallel world?

    Could the timeline skips (which allowed there to be 2 Lockes in the same place at the same time phenomenon) be the “loophole” that MIB found?

    Maybe MIB created the second timeline but then had to return to the island (via time flash) in order to kill Jacob and get all people who are living in both realms to go with him to the other side, thereby removing all people who are living in both places at the same time from one of the environments and eliminating the existence of that dimension.

    Just a rambling thought…[/quote]
    Okay, I’ll bite…

    Turning the wheel happened BEFORE the FSW was created and we have NO indication that event created any parallel time lines.

    At this point, I assume the FSW was in fact created by Juliet exploding the detonator.

    We do not know how the island sunk yet. IMO. But I’m certain that it wasn’t Locke turning the wheel.

  162. Bobola says:

    I’ll admit that I’m so confused now…
    I’ll never sort it all out.
    But I’d love to know;
    What’s behind Widmore’s deadly stance?
    How does he know what he knows?
    And how does Dez play into his plans?
    Did Tina Fey get a Doctorate in guns while she was studying for her degree in Science?
    Or like Palin; did she also go hunting for Moose and take cheap shots at Democrats?

    I guess fLocke telling Sayid to kill Dez was a deal breaker for me thinking fLocke might be good.
    I’m not sold on either side quite yet. (won’t get fooled again…I hope)
    Surely Sayid did not kill Dez; he knows his woman would never approve. Smart of Dez to point that out.
    But if Sayid is now not the old Sayid, why would he hesitate to kill Dez and why would he even care to be reunited with his old squeeze?

    Ok, my beefs;

    Sawyer swims to the boat with his rifle getting wet…
    unclear on the concept of firearms and saltwater not mixing?
    How does he know how to operate a hi-tech motor driven sail boat..and is he that skilled at hot wiring the thing? Maybe Freckles helped but…hard as saltwater to swallow.

    When the rest of the gang arrives to jump on the boat —the thing is tied up??? And so Claire comes along to get the drop on them? hunh?
    No one thought to have someone hang back to ck if they were followed by a crazy lady?

    And if I were Sawyer, I’d have had that boat nose out ready to hit the gas the nanosecond the gang arrived with one hand on my (still dry) rifle pointed at the beach. Or at least had Freckles with a gun trained on the beach. Hello?

    And then later;
    You KNOW you’re landing on Widmore’s island but most of them don’t have their guns up and ready for business. How bout this idea;
    send one person onto the beach ahead to see if it’s ok?

    Me; I’d be shooting the second I saw Widmore’s gang. No talky talky for me.
    And now they are going to shoot the gang on the beach? No way; something will prevent that…
    but what?
    Maybe Widmore’s son will show up to save the day?
    Or Charlie will show up and start singing…and everyone will drop their guns to cover their ears…could happen. Or a Polar bear will…never mind.

    Still, it was a funny contrast;
    Jin and Sun all kissy kissy and then;
    told to kneel and (maybe) die.

    At least I got my little Illana fix.
    And now Claire doesn’t have to adopt her baaaah-by out the the Dingo farmers.

    OK, OK…I know; if it were up to be no episodes would ever get aired if all the problems had to be ironed out.

    It rains on the island, but just during commercials.

  163. Chairee says:

    [quote comment="373693"]
    What’s behind Widmore’s deadly stance?
    How does he know what he knows?
    [/quote]
    I think that Widmore gave Desmond the old “stink-hand” — that electro-magnetic spray-on tanning booth got Des all lit-up (and a little stoned). So when Des accepted FLocke’s hand, getting-up from the Sayid’s Girl Scout Jamboree knotting demo — Des passed on the EM stink-hand to FLocke… that is how they know were to drop the mortar rounds with such accuracy – triangulate on the EM signature that FLocke now carries.

    Of course, FLocke is missing a kidney too. So I guess the mortar could technically go through him and not kill (devolve) him. Or he could just turn into a big smoke cloud, let all of the mortar rounds go right thru him, then raise up into a tall column – and give the Hydra island “the Finger”.

  164. dbwebdude says:

    I am trying to wrap my arms around the scene where Sun recognizes Locke and blurts out… “No… no. It’s him.” …and have not been able to correlate any similar recognition with Locke in the Alt-Sideways other than Desmond. I realize others have possibly recognized each other in prev epis, but Ben, Jack and Hurley didn’t reco him.

    I have really liked the idea that each of our characters has his/her own “Constant” and that is what entwines them in all timelines. Other than the epi where FLocke tries to persuade Sun to come with him to Jin (and that wasn’t really a cruelty imposed on her), I remember Locke always being supportive, caring and helpful to Sun. So, is that moment her reality check with Locke? I wonder where that road will lead…

    Any ideas?

  165. Chairee says:

    [quote comment="373693"]
    At least I got my little Illana fix.
    [/quote]
    Yeah but… a lawyer? ewwwww!

    Now there is a plotline I can endorse. Wait until she is a fancy 15th floor California lawyer… count to fifteen… now blow her the Hell up!

  166. Jeanne says:

    [quote comment="373695"]I am trying to wrap my arms around the scene where Sun recognizes Locke and blurts out… “No… no. It’s him.” …and have not been able to correlate any similar recognition with Locke in the Alt-Sideways other than Desmond. I realize others have possibly recognized each other in prev epis, but Ben, Jack and Hurley didn’t reco him.

    I have really liked the idea that each of our characters has his/her own “Constant” and that is what entwines them in all timelines. Other than the epi where FLocke tries to persuade Sun to come with him to Jin (and that wasn’t really a cruelty imposed on her), I remember Locke always being supportive, caring and helpful to Sun. So, is that moment her reality check with Locke? I wonder where that road will lead…

    Any ideas?[/quote]

    So are you thinking that Locke was Sun’s constant or was that a separate discussion? Just wondering.

    I was thinking that the Locke in the FSW was actually the MIB who escaped the island. I was thinking this for awhile, but I have had my doubts after this last episode. So, I thought that Sun when she said “No,… No. It’s him.” I was thinking she recalled when she was on the island and everyone along with the MIB left the island. She must have also recalled something which made a lasting impression that it was a horrible mistake to have him leave the island and that is why she reacted so.

    Just a thought, anyone?

  167. Fast Eddie S says:

    [quote comment="373595"][quote comment="373589"]My DVR screwed up and I did not see anything after jack jumped off the boat. What happened?[/quote]

    He landed on the beach and met up with MIB and crew. Sawyer & Co. landed at Hydra Island. Sun FINALLY reunited with Jin, and was suddenly able to speak English again. Widmore’s people turned on Sawyer and Co., dismissing their deal. Then, Widmore’s crew sent a missle to explode on MIB’s gang, including Jack. MIB carried Jack to safety.

    Did I miss anything else?[/quote]
    I don’t think fLocke carried Jack to safety. I think Jack is dead. fLocke said to him sic. Don’t worry. You’re with me now. Claimed like Sayid

  168. Fast Eddie S says:

    [quote comment="373698"][quote comment="373595"][quote comment="373589"]My DVR screwed up and I did not see anything after jack jumped off the boat. What happened?[/quote]

    He landed on the beach and met up with MIB and crew. Sawyer & Co. landed at Hydra Island. Sun FINALLY reunited with Jin, and was suddenly able to speak English again. Widmore’s people turned on Sawyer and Co., dismissing their deal. Then, Widmore’s crew sent a missle to explode on MIB’s gang, including Jack. MIB carried Jack to safety.

    Did I miss anything else?[/quote]
    I don’t think fLocke carried Jack to safety. I think Jack is dead. fLocke said to him sic. Don’t worry. You’re with me now. Claimed like Sayid[/quote]
    Just rewatched. I’m wrong. Jack’s alive when fLocke gets to him.

  169. Hammer says:

    Interesting thought Fast Eddie…especially if Jacob has taken over Des.

  170. Rozee says:

    I like the time travel comment about trains meeting in the station and merging to one. I also think the two timelines that we are currently watching will converge in the end, helped by a blast of electromagnetic energy supplied by Widmore.

    I think this not so much because I think it makes sense, or that specific events in the story are leading me to think this, but its a simple explanation to something that we’ve all thought about for years. How will it all end???

    In the beginning, the writers pitched a story to someone, and that someone had to be sold on their idea. Think of it as the elevator pitch. They have always said that they knew all along how this story was going to end. I’ve always wondered, how did they summarize this story to the networks? How much DETAIL did they go into??

    Its only recently that I realized I was going about it all wrong – The right question is: what ending, what simple ending, could they have visioned right from the beginning? It has to be something so simple that all the detail, all the events, characters, lives that they pulled into the story would not – could not – effect how it all turns out.

    This is why I now believe the end will be a merging of all events into one collossal reset back to the point where all the characters lives first intersected – the point of the original plane crash. Not sure how, not sure why. What did Jacob mean when he says, “It only ends once, anything that happens before that is just progress”

    The show will end as it began. Maybe next time through they will be make progress….???

  171. Belle says:

    The dialogue between Jack and MIB was so cut and dry that it could be perceived as a lie. Because time is running out we’re getting quick simplistic answers for some mysteries. I do believe MIB told Jack the truth even though most of what leaves his lips are lies. I still think MIB=Christian. Jacob was not trapped on the island and therefore traveled off the island as a flesh and blood man. We saw him interact with our Losties. Not so with MIB. If he can turn himself into a Smokey killing machine, I have no problem believing he can appear as a person (spirit) off the island. He never came into physical contact with anyone did he? At the hospital with Jack, the smoke alarm without a battery went off. Sounds like Smokey to me. I don’t know what the whole water thing is about or if he’s even telling the truth. Ilana said Smokey was stuck in Locke’s form now but I wouldn’t be surprised if he was still able to manifest himself as Christian. I think it was him at the barracks with Ben, Sun and Lapidus.

    I think the instances when Walt appeared was one of the reasons Walt was special. I think it was him not MIB.

  172. Bobola says:

    [quote comment="373696"][quote comment="373693"]
    At least I got my little Illana fix.
    [/quote]
    Yeah but… a lawyer? ewwwww!

    Now there is a plotline I can endorse. Wait until she is a fancy 15th floor California lawyer… count to fifteen… now blow her the Hell up![/quote]

    Hmmmmm;
    I’m sensing a little hostility there.
    Bad divorce attorney?

    Actually I had the same view before til my best friend became one.
    She is the most kind and generous person I know.
    Paid for me to see Europe last year (I’m an artist).

    Love the Girl Scout Jamboree quote…you funny.
    but I thought it must of been Brownies.

    Just how did they hone in on the fLockies with the missiles? I don’t think mortars go that far.
    (or are they shooting from the same island)
    Maybe Tina Fey passed out Go Obama buttons to everyone that send a shout out to radar?
    But wuddint Widmore be leery of also killing Dez?
    Or is Dez’s job to be doing what he’s doing…in the wishing well…wishing he wasn’t there.

  173. Belle says:

    [quote comment="373693"]

    Did Tina Fey get a Doctorate in guns while she was studying for her degree in Science?

    Ok, my beefs;

    Sawyer swims to the boat with his rifle getting wet…
    unclear on the concept of firearms and saltwater not mixing?

    [/quote]

    Zoe has only been shown holding a gun hasn’t she? Doesn’t take a scientist to know how to do that. Shooting and actually hitting the target is the real skill. I doubt she be able to hit a Black Rock even if she was right in front of it.

    The rifle would still shoot. Seawater isn’t good for a gun in the long run but it wouldn’t render it useless.

    LOL. Isn’t it shoot first and ask questions later?

  174. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="373635"]Just a silly observation–but did the FSW knock Ilana’s accent right out of her? Now that I’m thinking about it, Sayid has been much more “English” since his coming back from the dead.[/quote]

    According to Jorge Garcia, the script for this episode actually says that Ilana has no accent, so this was purposeful and not an error.

    Don’t know about Sayid.

    : ) P

  175. Tom D says:

    This is my first post but I’ve been reading comments here and there for a bit. This question doesnt really have anything to do with The Last Recruit but timeline wise is puzzling to me. When 315 crashed on the island, it was still 2007 for Jack, Kate, Sun, Ben. Hurley, Sayid, Lockes corpse and the others on the plane llana, ect.. Now Jack, Kate, HUrley, and Sayid are met by Sawyer and are brought to DHARMA land and sun, ben, locke’s corpse, llana, and jacobs people are all somehwere else on the island(i think the beach). So obviously on the island it is 1977 hence everyone that didnt leave is working for DhARmA. And the incident happened in 1977 keeping the plane from crashing in 2004 and causing the FSW phenomenoa. Did the Ajiria passangers that didnt crash with kate, hurley, sayid, and Jack land on the island in 1977 also or was there a timwarp during the crash that caused 4 of them in land in 1977 and the rest landed (on the beach?) in 2007. after the incident, yeah the crash never happened and everyone is still in their dharma suits flocke ben sun and the others are on the beach. jacob is dead, ect.. im trying not to make any theories here as this post is more of a question and im about to so im gonna simplify the question without involving desmond and confusing myself even further. What is the current time on the island? is it 2007, 1977, amix of two? does anyone know what im trying to say?

  176. Christine says:

    First time posting so bear with me.

    I think Flocke=Christian because wasn’t Christian the one telling Locke that he had to go find the others and bring them back and that he would have to die to do that? That to me is the main reason I believe what Flocke told Jack. Also, I may be remembering wrong, but when Jack saw Christian in the hospital, wasn’t he drinking? Could it be a hallucination?

  177. Tom D says:

    I dont man the island has two different times but does it has characters from multiple timelines on it. and if the incident in 1977 ivolved all the losties would it kind of but also at the same time not make them the people who they are in the 2004 fsw.

  178. Tom D says:

    i just watched the episode nammaste where the ajira crash occurs and clearly there is a time warp and when the plane lands/crashes kate, jack, hurley and sayid are gone. i guess they are in different times anyways

  179. Christine says:

    [quote comment="373709"]i just watched the episode nammaste where the ajira crash occurs and clearly there is a time warp and when the plane lands/crashes kate, jack, hurley and sayid are gone. i guess they are in different times anyways[/quote]

    Have they addressed why Sun does not go back in time with Jack, Kate, Hurley and Sayid?

  180. Tom D says:

    [quote comment="373710"][quote comment="373709"]i just watched the episode nammaste where the ajira crash occurs and clearly there is a time warp and when the plane lands/crashes kate, jack, hurley and sayid are gone. i guess they are in different times anyways[/quote]

    Have they addressed why Sun does not go back in time with Jack, Kate, Hurley and Sayid?[/quote]

    She does leave the island as one of the ocieanic six and apparently has the baby according to the pictures in Windmore’s camera. Off the island she tries to tem up with Windmore to kill Ben Linus, I forget what exactly happens there but she does return to the island on the Ajira flight, but is seperated from the rest of the oceanic six during the plane crash. That i do not think has been explained. She finally meets up with Jin, in the LAst Recruit, but Jin Never left and was in 1977. That part also confuses me because how his time and the rest of them that didnt leave fit in with the rest of them that left and came back timeline wise. They all know eachother bbut dont know what its like to have left and feel the island pulling them back. Also, they needed to go back to the island to save their friends and stop time from shifting on the island. Sorry im rambling but somehow i think its still 1977 on the island and there is going to be some upcoming event magneticlly or whatever that pulls the island to the ocean floor and causes the island not to exist in 2004 FSW. Ok I gotta go before i completly start going off and my face gets erased.

  181. Jason says:

    [quote comment="373711"][quote comment="373710"][quote comment="373709"]i just watched the episode nammaste where the ajira crash occurs and clearly there is a time warp and when the plane lands/crashes kate, jack, hurley and sayid are gone. i guess they are in different times anyways[/quote]

    Have they addressed why Sun does not go back in time with Jack, Kate, Hurley and Sayid?[/quote]

    She does leave the island as one of the ocieanic six and apparently has the baby according to the pictures in Windmore’s camera. Off the island she tries to tem up with Windmore to kill Ben Linus, I forget what exactly happens there but she does return to the island on the Ajira flight, but is seperated from the rest of the oceanic six during the plane crash. That i do not think has been explained. She finally meets up with Jin, in the LAst Recruit, but Jin Never left and was in 1977. That part also confuses me because how his time and the rest of them that didnt leave fit in with the rest of them that left and came back timeline wise. They all know eachother bbut dont know what its like to have left and feel the island pulling them back. Also, they needed to go back to the island to save their friends and stop time from shifting on the island. Sorry im rambling but somehow i think its still 1977 on the island and there is going to be some upcoming event magneticlly or whatever that pulls the island to the ocean floor and causes the island not to exist in 2004 FSW. Ok I gotta go before i completly start going off and my face gets erased.[/quote]
    _____________________________________
    It’s 2007 on the island and 2004 in the FSW..at least, that’s what I think….it can’t be 1977 on the island because Juliet detonated the bomb and they went forward in time again because the hatch was gone along with all the dharma people…

  182. Lind says:

    [quote comment="373621"]So I do think Sayid is no longer ‘on the dark side’ …or at least has changed to some degree. In his zombie form he has no feelings as he explained a few episodes ago. Then he told Flocke he just killed an unarmed man in cold blood (or something like that) so he needed a moment…if he had no feeling he wouldn’t need a moment because he wouldn’t care.

    My theory is desmond made a good choice in phrasing his sentences and somehow snapped sayid out of his zombie-like state of being and that it took sayid so long because he was helping desmond out of the well. That’s what I hope anyway.

    In the FSW, I also think Claire will go into labor sometime soon and end up at the hospital. I’m curious how Kate and Sawyer and Sayid will end up there…I just feel like everyone is gonna meet up there. And my gut is that Juliet is Jack’s ex-wife and will end up at the hospital to pick up david b/c Jack’s performing surgery and can’t take him home by 7.

    Also refresh my memory cause at the moment, I can’t remember…where are ben and miles on the island?[/quote]

    If Juliet is Jack’s ex-wife, then Jack would have woken up loooooooooooooong ago. My guess is it’s not someone he met on the island…

  183. justguessing says:

    [quote comment="373670"]The key has to be the kid in the jungle talking about the rules “you know the rules.”

    Rules imply that there is a higher authority enforcing them. The kid in the jungle just makes a remark and wanders back into the jungle! Me thinks there are others watching the ongoing Jacob/MIB struggle, maybe MIB’s crazy mom is holding score from the jungle.

    Also if MIB cannot be killed by Widmore’s rockets, what’s the point of killing everyone around him? On the otherhand if the recruits are that crucial to his plan what’s the point of the warning, just do it!!!

    The whole thing feels like a game with “rules” that have a tendency to be broken.[/quote]
    I think that Widmore knows the rockets will not kill MIB. But Widmore also knows that MIB cannot leave the island unless everyone goes w/ him. I think Widmore was threatening MIB by saying one of these rockets could possibly kill a candidate and then he’s stuck forever. Which is why MIB said that the timeline has been pushed up and they have to leave now.

    Also, in the hospital Jin told Sun that “It’s over… and we will all be okay now!” I thought that was a weird choice of words when speaking about 3 people. As the name says… just guessing.

  184. Pterradon says:

    [quote comment="373715"][quote comment="373670"]The key has to be the kid in the jungle talking about the rules “you know the rules.”

    Rules imply that there is a higher authority enforcing them. The kid in the jungle just makes a remark and wanders back into the jungle! Me thinks there are others watching the ongoing Jacob/MIB struggle, maybe MIB’s crazy mom is holding score from the jungle.

    Also if MIB cannot be killed by Widmore’s rockets, what’s the point of killing everyone around him? On the otherhand if the recruits are that crucial to his plan what’s the point of the warning, just do it!!!

    The whole thing feels like a game with “rules” that have a tendency to be broken.[/quote]
    I think that Widmore knows the rockets will not kill MIB. But Widmore also knows that MIB cannot leave the island unless everyone goes w/ him. I think Widmore was threatening MIB by saying one of these rockets could possibly kill a candidate and then he’s stuck forever. Which is why MIB said that the timeline has been pushed up and they have to leave now.

    Also, in the hospital Jin told Sun that “It’s over… and we will all be okay now!” I thought that was a weird choice of words when speaking about 3 people. As the name says… just guessing.[/quote]
    If Widmore knows that MIB can’t leave the island unless everyone goes with him, he doesn’t have to send mortars, he has most of the candidates on their knees in front of his guns. He could easily kill one or two. Maybe the message was that if you get into a boat, we will sink it.

    I do think it was nice of Widmore to have them get on their knees so the mortars wouldn’t muss their hair. :-)

  185. Lind says:

    [quote comment="373712"][quote comment="373711"][quote comment="373710"][quote comment="373709"]i just watched the episode nammaste where the ajira crash occurs and clearly there is a time warp and when the plane lands/crashes kate, jack, hurley and sayid are gone. i guess they are in different times anyways[/quote]

    Have they addressed why Sun does not go back in time with Jack, Kate, Hurley and Sayid?[/quote]

    She does leave the island as one of the ocieanic six and apparently has the baby according to the pictures in Windmore’s camera. Off the island she tries to tem up with Windmore to kill Ben Linus, I forget what exactly happens there but she does return to the island on the Ajira flight, but is seperated from the rest of the oceanic six during the plane crash. That i do not think has been explained. She finally meets up with Jin, in the LAst Recruit, but Jin Never left and was in 1977. That part also confuses me because how his time and the rest of them that didnt leave fit in with the rest of them that left and came back timeline wise. They all know eachother bbut dont know what its like to have left and feel the island pulling them back. Also, they needed to go back to the island to save their friends and stop time from shifting on the island. Sorry im rambling but somehow i think its still 1977 on the island and there is going to be some upcoming event magneticlly or whatever that pulls the island to the ocean floor and causes the island not to exist in 2004 FSW. Ok I gotta go before i completly start going off and my face gets erased.[/quote]
    _____________________________________
    It’s 2007 on the island and 2004 in the FSW..at least, that’s what I think….it can’t be 1977 on the island because Juliet detonated the bomb and they went forward in time again because the hatch was gone along with all the dharma people…[/quote]

    Maybe it is 2004 on the island, though. During the three years, when Sawyer, Juliet, etc, were living on the island, they were in 1977. They flashed FROM 2004 to 1997, lived for three years, and then flashed foward after the bomb explosion. It’s possible that thay flashed to 2004.

    The reason we assume they flahsed to 2007 is because the plane flew in from 2007… but there certainly was something funky going on with time on that island, so maybe the plane crossing the threshold traveled back three years.

    I dunno. I think the FSW time and Island time are irrelevant… they may be happening at the same time, they may not be – either way, FSW losties’ recognitions of another life are affecting the Island losties… I don’t think the two timelines have to be congruent in order for this to happen.

  186. Tom D says:

    [quote comment="373711"][quote comment="373710"][quote comment="373709"]i just watched the episode nammaste where the ajira crash occurs and clearly there is a time warp and when the plane lands/crashes kate, jack, hurley and sayid are gone. i guess they are in different times anyways[/quote]

    Have they addressed why Sun does not go back in time with Jack, Kate, Hurley and Sayid?[/quote]

    She does leave the island as one of the ocieanic six and apparently has the baby according to the pictures in Windmore’s camera. Off the island she tries to tem up with Windmore to kill Ben Linus, I forget what exactly happens there but she does return to the island on the Ajira flight, but is seperated from the rest of the oceanic six during the plane crash. That i do not think has been explained. She finally meets up with Jin, in the LAst Recruit, but Jin Never left and was in 1977. That part also confuses me because how his time and the rest of them that didnt leave fit in with the rest of them that left and came back timeline wise. They all know eachother bbut dont know what its like to have left and feel the island pulling them back. Also, they needed to go back to the island to save their friends and stop time from shifting on the island. Sorry im rambling but somehow i think its still 1977 on the island and there is going to be some upcoming event magneticlly or whatever that pulls the island to the ocean floor and causes the island not to exist in 2004 FSW. Ok I gotta go before i completly start going off and my face gets erased.[/quote]

    Yeah i just watched LAX again, no way it is 1977 on the island. Why is KAte in a tree when she comes to? And I hate the face jack makes when he’s pumpin peoples chests tryin to do the whole save your life thing like he did to Sayid in the Temple.
    It’s rather convienant though that everyone just happened to be together again on the island in 2007. It’s not like the island has a flux capacitor and a place where you can entr the year and date you travel to. And how in the hell does Juliette know “it worked.” She is half dead in a crater. I think I might have to go listen to that geek Faraday again and try to figure out what he thinks will happen. He geoes over my head and so Does Desmond.

  187. wally p says:

    When Locke turned the wheel and was zapped into the desert, he lost three years 2004-2007 and ended up in 2007… also, even though they were time travelling on the island, it seemed that all along they were effecting things that happened off the island in 2007… like when Faraday talked to Desmond in 2004 on the island, Desmond didn’t remember it until 2007 off the island… My guess is that 2004/2007 are always opposite in the mirror… since now things are “mirrored” in the sideways its been reversed (?) and so peeps in 2004 are remembering things that happen from a 2007 perspective (?)

  188. wally p says:

    Ilana no longer having the accent makes me think of Richard… c’mon! That first scene with Ilana and Jacob must have been like WWI era. She is brought to the island ala 2007, dies, and now becomes a “new” Ilana in the sideways 2004. Think something similar happened to Richard?

  189. Miss lost says:

    [quote comment="373713"][quote comment="373621"]So I do think Sayid is no longer ‘on the dark side’ …or at least has changed to some degree. In his zombie form he has no feelings as he explained a few episodes ago. Then he told Flocke he just killed an unarmed man in cold blood (or something like that) so he needed a moment…if he had no feeling he wouldn’t need a moment because he wouldn’t care.

    My theory is desmond made a good choice in phrasing his sentences and somehow snapped sayid out of his zombie-like state of being and that it took sayid so long because he was helping desmond out of the well. That’s what I hope anyway.

    In the FSW, I also think Claire will go into labor sometime soon and end up at the hospital. I’m curious how Kate and Sawyer and Sayid will end up there…I just feel like everyone is gonna meet up there. And my gut is that Juliet is Jack’s ex-wife and will end up at the hospital to pick up david b/c Jack’s performing surgery and can’t take him home by 7.

    Also refresh my memory cause at the moment, I can’t remember…where are ben and miles on the island?[/quote]

    If Juliet is Jack’s ex-wife, then Jack would have woken up loooooooooooooong ago. My guess is it’s not someone he met on the island…[/quote]
    *****************
    I don’t know if I agree with that because I think it has to do with your true love. I don’t think Juliette was ever his true love, I think it is Kate. I think Juliette and Sawyer are going to be each others soul mates…and maybe that is the key…not true love…but “soul” mates!

  190. jinx says:

    [quote comment="373713"][quote comment="373621"]So I do think Sayid is no longer ‘on the dark side’ …or at least has changed to some degree. In his zombie form he has no feelings as he explained a few episodes ago. Then he told Flocke he just killed an unarmed man in cold blood (or something like that) so he needed a moment…if he had no feeling he wouldn’t need a moment because he wouldn’t care.

    My theory is desmond made a good choice in phrasing his sentences and somehow snapped sayid out of his zombie-like state of being and that it took sayid so long because he was helping desmond out of the well. That’s what I hope anyway.

    In the FSW, I also think Claire will go into labor sometime soon and end up at the hospital. I’m curious how Kate and Sawyer and Sayid will end up there…I just feel like everyone is gonna meet up there. And my gut is that Juliet is Jack’s ex-wife and will end up at the hospital to pick up david b/c Jack’s performing surgery and can’t take him home by 7.

    Also refresh my memory cause at the moment, I can’t remember…where are ben and miles on the island?[/quote]

    If Juliet is Jack’s ex-wife, then Jack would have woken up loooooooooooooong ago. My guess is it’s not someone he met on the island…[/quote]

    Or…Jack being Jack, he ignored what was right n front of his face and stomped off to do the opposite of what would be the obvious reaction.

  191. Belle says:

    I think Hurley’s visions especially of Jacob are not Jacob but MIB. It seems what “Jacob” has been telling Hurley to do has resulted in tragedy. Taking Sayid to the Temple resulted in Sayid’s “resurrection” and the death of Dogen and the others at the Temple. Ilana was killed because Hurley lied and said he agreed with Richard about the dynamite. Gunfire couldn’t kill Smokey but I feel Ilana had an important role to play and MIB trough Hurley eliminated her. The plan has been moved along because now people, even Jack have been following Hurley because he claims he knows what to do and says “Trust me”. I thought Hurley acted strangely when he took Jacob’s ashes. There has to be something significant about those ashes. I don’t think Ilana just took them to have some of Jacob’s remains as one would keep a loved one’s ashes in an urn for remembrance.

  192. Christine says:

    [quote comment="373721"][quote comment="373713"][quote comment="373621"]So I do think Sayid is no longer ‘on the dark side’ …or at least has changed to some degree. In his zombie form he has no feelings as he explained a few episodes ago. Then he told Flocke he just killed an unarmed man in cold blood (or something like that) so he needed a moment…if he had no feeling he wouldn’t need a moment because he wouldn’t care.

    My theory is desmond made a good choice in phrasing his sentences and somehow snapped sayid out of his zombie-like state of being and that it took sayid so long because he was helping desmond out of the well. That’s what I hope anyway.

    In the FSW, I also think Claire will go into labor sometime soon and end up at the hospital. I’m curious how Kate and Sawyer and Sayid will end up there…I just feel like everyone is gonna meet up there. And my gut is that Juliet is Jack’s ex-wife and will end up at the hospital to pick up david b/c Jack’s performing surgery and can’t take him home by 7.

    Also refresh my memory cause at the moment, I can’t remember…where are ben and miles on the island?[/quote]

    If Juliet is Jack’s ex-wife, then Jack would have woken up loooooooooooooong ago. My guess is it’s not someone he met on the island…[/quote]
    *****************
    I don’t know if I agree with that because I think it has to do with your true love. I don’t think Juliette was ever his true love, I think it is Kate. I think Juliette and Sawyer are going to be each others soul mates…and maybe that is the key…not true love…but “soul” mates![/quote]
    ——————————————
    I think I agree Miss Lost! It could definitely be someone from the island because Kate and Sawyer met in the FSW and neither of them act like they remember an alternate life. Same thing when Sawyer met Charlotte. I wonder if FSW Jin and Sun have realized their other life on the island

  193. Belle says:

    [quote comment="373633"][quote comment="373617"]

    I get the impression that Flocke really hates Locke. He puts him down and bad mouths John every chance he gets. Speaking of John I was reminded about how creepy he was in the beginning of season 1. The scenes that stick in my mind the most are when he is sitting on the beach and smiles revealing the orange wedge in his mouth AND when he whispers to Walt “Do you want to know a secret?”

    Does it seem like Smokey was after John as soon as they crashed or am I over analyzing? I just get this weird feeling like they’re inter-twined somehow or Locke was slowly being possessed (?) by Smokey from the beginning. Maybe the creepy factor was to keep us enthralled and guessing who is this strange man.[/quote]

    It’s funny that you bring up Locke’s inherent “weirdness” from Day 1 on the island. My wife and I re-watched every ep this summer/fall in anticipation of this season and were immediately struck by some of John’s bizarre behaviors, inc. a seeming knack for being in the right place at the right time for certain things. I can’t recall every instance, but one that sticks in my head involves Jack slipping off a cliff while chasing Christian, only to have Locke appear out of nowhere (I think he said he was hunting boar) and pull him to safety. I doubt Locke was “supernatural” in any way at that point (i.e. Flocke), but it makes you wonder about him…if you watch all the old eps, or have a photographic memory I’m sure you’ll think fo others.[/quote]

    I thought about that particular scene too. Jack was chasing his father and he almost led Jack to his death. Locke miraculously appeared and saves Jack. What a coincidence. Even back then I found it strange.

    In a way Flocke was right about Locke being the biggest fool. Giving him the ability to walk again was his downfall. Other than Rose being cured of her cancer, John benefited immensely. I assume he was paralyzed for a very long time and who wouldn’t feel reborn. I remember him saying he looked into the eye of the island and it was beautiful. He had at least two encounters with Smokey that we know of in the beginning episodes. So I believe John had been targeted immediately. He was fooled into not pushing the button (amongst other things) which helped move MIB’s plan further along. Sad to say, he was one of the biggest pawns in this scheme.

  194. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="373595"][quote comment="373589"]My DVR screwed up and I did not see anything after jack jumped off the boat. What happened?[/quote]

    He landed on the beach and met up with MIB and crew. Sawyer & Co. landed at Hydra Island. Sun FINALLY reunited with Jin, and was suddenly able to speak English again. Widmore’s people turned on Sawyer and Co., dismissing their deal. Then, Widmore’s crew sent a missle to explode on MIB’s gang, including Jack. MIB carried Jack to safety.

    Did I miss anything else?[/quote]
    Last line of the show. Flocke said

    ‘Everythings going to be OK Jack, you’re with me now.’

    I think Jack is now infected.

  195. Lind says:

    [quote comment="373723"]I think Hurley’s visions especially of Jacob are not Jacob but MIB. It seems what “Jacob” has been telling Hurley to do has resulted in tragedy. Taking Sayid to the Temple resulted in Sayid’s “resurrection” and the death of Dogen and the others at the Temple. Ilana was killed because Hurley lied and said he agreed with Richard about the dynamite. Gunfire couldn’t kill Smokey but I feel Ilana had an important role to play and MIB trough Hurley eliminated her. The plan has been moved along because now people, even Jack have been following Hurley because he claims he knows what to do and says “Trust me”. I thought Hurley acted strangely when he took Jacob’s ashes. There has to be something significant about those ashes. I don’t think Ilana just took them to have some of Jacob’s remains as one would keep a loved one’s ashes in an urn for remembrance.[/quote]

    I doubt that Jacob’s appirations have not been MIB… Jacob’s body was burned. I think MIB can only take the form of dead bodies that have not yet been buried or burned.

    Plus, there are four more episodes left… this series is winding down… not revving up for more conflict come season 7.

  196. JA says:

    [quote comment="373710"][quote comment="373709"]Have they addressed why Sun does not go back in time with Jack, Kate, Hurley and Sayid?[/quote]

    I assumed it was because Sun isn’t one of the candidates: “Kwon” refers to Jin.

  197. Aggie Mo says:

    [quote comment="373717"][quote comment="373712"][quote comment="373711"][quote comment="373710"][quote comment="373709"]i just watched the episode nammaste where the ajira crash occurs and clearly there is a time warp and when the plane lands/crashes kate, jack, hurley and sayid are gone. i guess they are in different times anyways[/quote]

    Have they addressed why Sun does not go back in time with Jack, Kate, Hurley and Sayid?[/quote]

    She does leave the island as one of the ocieanic six and apparently has the baby according to the pictures in Windmore’s camera. Off the island she tries to tem up with Windmore to kill Ben Linus, I forget what exactly happens there but she does return to the island on the Ajira flight, but is seperated from the rest of the oceanic six during the plane crash. That i do not think has been explained. She finally meets up with Jin, in the LAst Recruit, but Jin Never left and was in 1977. That part also confuses me because how his time and the rest of them that didnt leave fit in with the rest of them that left and came back timeline wise. They all know eachother bbut dont know what its like to have left and feel the island pulling them back. Also, they needed to go back to the island to save their friends and stop time from shifting on the island. Sorry im rambling but somehow i think its still 1977 on the island and there is going to be some upcoming event magneticlly or whatever that pulls the island to the ocean floor and causes the island not to exist in 2004 FSW. Ok I gotta go before i completly start going off and my face gets erased.[/quote]
    _____________________________________
    It’s 2007 on the island and 2004 in the FSW..at least, that’s what I think….it can’t be 1977 on the island because Juliet detonated the bomb and they went forward in time again because the hatch was gone along with all the dharma people…[/quote]

    Maybe it is 2004 on the island, though. During the three years, when Sawyer, Juliet, etc, were living on the island, they were in 1977. They flashed FROM 2004 to 1997, lived for three years, and then flashed foward after the bomb explosion. It’s possible that thay flashed to 2004.

    The reason we assume they flahsed to 2007 is because the plane flew in from 2007… but there certainly was something funky going on with time on that island, so maybe the plane crossing the threshold traveled back three years.

    I dunno. I think the FSW time and Island time are irrelevant… they may be happening at the same time, they may not be – either way, FSW losties’ recognitions of another life are affecting the Island losties… I don’t think the two timelines have to be congruent in order for this to happen.[/quote]

    It couldn’t be 2004 — Claire said she had been waiting 3 years and, when they showed Rose and Bernard, wasn’t it implied a lot of time had passed?

  198. JA says:

    [quote comment="373709"]Have they addressed why Sun does not go back in time with Jack, Kate, Hurley and Sayid?[/quote]

    I assumed it was because Sun isn’t one of the candidates: “Kwon” refers to Jin.

    EDIT: Sorry, bad quoting job.

  199. Lind says:

    [quote comment="373724"][quote comment="373721"][quote comment="373713"][quote comment="373621"]quote]

    If Juliet is Jack’s ex-wife, then Jack would have woken up loooooooooooooong ago. My guess is it’s not someone he met on the island…[/quote]
    *****************
    I don’t know if I agree with that because I think it has to do with your true love. I don’t think Juliette was ever his true love, I think it is Kate. I think Juliette and Sawyer are going to be each others soul mates…and maybe that is the key…not true love…but “soul” mates![/quote]
    ——————————————
    I think I agree Miss Lost! It could definitely be someone from the island because Kate and Sawyer met in the FSW and neither of them act like they remember an alternate life. Same thing when Sawyer met Charlotte. I wonder if FSW Jin and Sun have realized their other life on the island[/quote]

    Yes, but to meet each other and chat for a few mintues, and not remember, is one thing…

    For Jack to be married to someone for several years and then to have a child with that person is very different… there would have already come a time when he would have had glimpses of his other life. Even if his ex-wife was not his “true love”, if they knew each other on the island, he would have already had a major revelation about it.

    Plus, there’s no gaurentee that a “true love” is the person who wakes you up. Sun became aware of the alternate life when she saw Locke. John too.

    Also, just because Kate and Sawyer are not having flashes of the Island life right now does not mean they will not act as each other’s rousers. Remember, Hurley did not immediately have flashes upon meeting Libby – it was not until they kissed, on their third time meeting.

  200. wally p says:

    [quote comment="373729"][quote comment="373717"][quote comment="373712"][quote comment="373711"][quote comment="373710"][quote comment="373709"]i just watched the episode nammaste where the ajira crash occurs and clearly there is a time warp and when the plane lands/crashes kate, jack, hurley and sayid are gone. i guess they are in different times anyways[/quote]

    Have they addressed why Sun does not go back in time with Jack, Kate, Hurley and Sayid?[/quote]

    She does leave the island as one of the ocieanic six and apparently has the baby according to the pictures in Windmore’s camera. Off the island she tries to tem up with Windmore to kill Ben Linus, I forget what exactly happens there but she does return to the island on the Ajira flight, but is seperated from the rest of the oceanic six during the plane crash. That i do not think has been explained. She finally meets up with Jin, in the LAst Recruit, but Jin Never left and was in 1977. That part also confuses me because how his time and the rest of them that didnt leave fit in with the rest of them that left and came back timeline wise. They all know eachother bbut dont know what its like to have left and feel the island pulling them back. Also, they needed to go back to the island to save their friends and stop time from shifting on the island. Sorry im rambling but somehow i think its still 1977 on the island and there is going to be some upcoming event magneticlly or whatever that pulls the island to the ocean floor and causes the island not to exist in 2004 FSW. Ok I gotta go before i completly start going off and my face gets erased.[/quote]
    _____________________________________
    It’s 2007 on the island and 2004 in the FSW..at least, that’s what I think….it can’t be 1977 on the island because Juliet detonated the bomb and they went forward in time again because the hatch was gone along with all the dharma people…[/quote]

    Maybe it is 2004 on the island, though. During the three years, when Sawyer, Juliet, etc, were living on the island, they were in 1977. They flashed FROM 2004 to 1997, lived for three years, and then flashed foward after the bomb explosion. It’s possible that thay flashed to 2004.

    The reason we assume they flahsed to 2007 is because the plane flew in from 2007… but there certainly was something funky going on with time on that island, so maybe the plane crossing the threshold traveled back three years.

    I dunno. I think the FSW time and Island time are irrelevant… they may be happening at the same time, they may not be – either way, FSW losties’ recognitions of another life are affecting the Island losties… I don’t think the two timelines have to be congruent in order for this to happen.[/quote]

    It couldn’t be 2004 — Claire said she had been waiting 3 years and, when they showed Rose and Bernard, wasn’t it implied a lot of time had passed?[/quote]

    The main point is that time does pass… but who knows what time it is? Isn’t there something awfully strange about that well going from being super deep to just kind of deep?

    For me, I stopped putting actual years to the island back last season when Sun asked Richard if he had been there in 1977, and Richard was like “huh?” as if to say “what is 1977?” Then she was like, thirty years ago… and he was like “oh yeah, I was here.”

  201. Bobola says:

    [quote comment="373704"][quote comment="373693"]
    Zoe has only been shown holding a gun hasn’t she? Doesn’t take a scientist to know how to do that. Shooting and actually hitting the target is the real skill. I doubt she be able to hit a Black Rock even if she was right in front of it.

    The rifle would still shoot. Seawater isn’t good for a gun in the long run but it wouldn’t render it useless.

    LOL. Isn’t it shoot first and ask questions later?[/quote]

    ——–
    But we don’t know how good a shot Zoe (aka Tina Fey) is now, do we? But then she wasn’t very far away from the targets and with her gun set on auto she could pretty much make a mess of the gang. I haven’t exactly seen the Losties at a Practice range themselves or even instructing each other on gun training and safety! (“don’t point that thing at me you moron!”
    “Oh, it’s OK…I have the safety on…BAM! Oooops…my bad!”)

    Zoe’s look says; she could shoot the electron off an atom. She’s got such a steely gaze.
    NEVER underestimate a woman! There was a film once called; Deadlier than the Male…(French film, I think—Shudda put the women in the front lines when Hitler swept into France) Femme Fatal is also a French term.

    Maybe that Post Water gun of Sawyer’s would still work for a while ….but I like the old saying; keep your powder dry.
    Odd that a big strong guy like Sawyer could not figure out how to swim with one hand holding the rifle above water…it wasn’t that far out to the boat. A Dog like Sawyer could surely Dog Paddle.
    But Sawyer, the redneck would certainly know more about guns,eh? Sawyer, the actor probably knows more about Head Shots (Photos) than head shots (bullets to the knoggin).

    I know I’m splitting hairs over trivia..but I love details; the devil is in the details would be my mantra.
    (small things in plans and schemes that are often overlooked can cause serious problems later on)

    If my life might depend on a rifle at some point then that rifle is treated like it has hydrophobia.
    And not one person has been seen cleaning their gun despite being on a sandy island…just sayin’.
    I’d at least have a cork or piece of palm tree in the barrel end to keep it clean.
    Hope I don;’t sound like some gun nut because I’m not.
    Deadliest thing I own is a cat…and some old stuff in the Fridge.

    Loved it when someone on the boat said something about there being canned food on the boat…think it was the Pilot. Sure must beat Airline food. Don’t think I wudda said that out loud with Hurley around though, unless I disarmed him first.
    Or tied him to the mast like Odysseus.

    Why would Widmore just kill the Losties and not just lock them up? (seemed like the intent…)
    That’s so draconian! Like his taste in Painting.
    But I guess if the fate of the world really is in the balance…better safe than sorry?
    Might want to keep the Medical Doctor alive though— in case my people or myself got wounded.

    Does Jack’s son serve any purpose to the story? I mean, we had our little Hallmark cards moment with Dad previously but now he just seems like…cute scenery. And he must realize; “hey, I got a crazy preggers Auntie with a weird accent. And She’s gonna get some of my Grand Pa’s money!” Maybe he’ll get some drugs from Dad’s Doctor bag; “here, Dad, said to drink this!” He looks too much like an angel to be one; the cardinal rule of writers I believe.

    The other weird contrast I like;
    Ben trying to save Locke after the Desmond Parking Lot Destruction Derby and Ben killing Locke before.
    Ben there…done all that.
    I still hoping for a Ben and Juliet hook up.

    Sawyer clearly belongs with Illana, as do I.

  202. wally p says:

    So was Ilana born on the island? Maybe Jacob really IS her father… or is about to be…

    whats that dudes name??? Goodspeeds kid, that didn’t used to be a Goodspeed,,, you know, the one who did the ultrasound on Claire?

    Suppose the point of 1977 is to give characters different fathers? New Ilana… I’m convinced this a major plot point… who would be her mother be though?

  203. Belle says:

    [quote comment="373659"]Just wondering if anyone else was “letdown” with the Sun and Jin reunion? It was anticlimatic for me. Nowhere near on par with Desmond and Penny from The Constant or the episode where she finds the Losties in the ocean and finally sees Desmond.

    [/quote]

    I felt letdown too. The reunion was so short I felt cheated. So short in fact you didn’t even get to feel the impact of it.

    Some of the best tearjerkers were when Des was on the freighter and he and Penny talked on the phone expressing their love for one another. Also when Penny came to the rescue of Des and our Losties finally reuniting them. The scene with Sawyer grasping Juliet’s hand and begging her to hang on and not leave him while they expressed their love was another one. I had goosebumps and cried watching. It got you right in the heart. Some of the best acting on the show were in these moments. Sun and Jin deserved just as much considering their long separation.

  204. Lind says:

    [quote comment="373734"]So was Ilana born on the island? Maybe Jacob really IS her father… or is about to be…

    whats that dudes name??? Goodspeeds kid, that didn’t used to be a Goodspeed,,, you know, the one who did the ultrasound on Claire?

    Suppose the point of 1977 is to give characters different fathers? New Ilana… I’m convinced this a major plot point… who would be her mother be though?[/quote]

    I don’t think parents are different the second time around… that would result in different offspring….

  205. wally p says:

    [quote comment="373736"][quote comment="373734"]So was Ilana born on the island? Maybe Jacob really IS her father… or is about to be…

    whats that dudes name??? Goodspeeds kid, that didn’t used to be a Goodspeed,,, you know, the one who did the ultrasound on Claire?

    Suppose the point of 1977 is to give characters different fathers? New Ilana… I’m convinced this a major plot point… who would be her mother be though?[/quote]

    I don’t think parents are different the second time around… that would result in different offspring….[/quote]

    OK, it was Ethan… Ethan Rom. I had to look it up on Lostpedia and they just sort of brush off the fact that he had a different last name earlier in the series… but Amy (his mother) was married to a different guy…

    I could be way off base here with the different parents though, but thats what it seemed to be like to me when they changed Ethans name to Goodspeed, and made a point to show that his mother was married to someone different before she got knocked up by Horace… just saying…

    And if Ilana had a distinct accent before, but not now, what sort of difference in time would have changed that?

  206. AtTheMovies says:

    (up next)
    – The Candidate
    (then)
    – Across the Sea
    – What They Died For
    – The End, Pt 1 & Pt 2

  207. 4 8 15 16 23 42 says:

    I was really hoping that the phone call Jack got from David’s mother was going to be the one phone call that Kate got after she was arrested, but I guess not.

    A little off base, but what is everyone’s guess as far as who Adam and Eve are at this point?

  208. Will D, Eastbay says:

    [quote comment="373717"]
    The reason we assume they flashed to 2007 is because the plane flew in from 2007… but there certainly was something funky going on with time on that island, so maybe the plane crossing the threshold traveled back three years.
    [/quote]

    Yeah? But in the beginning of the season they showed that the island is deep underwater in 2004. And in the original timeline, the runway was still under construction in 2004.

  209. Miraks says:

    [quote comment="373664"]

    2. Who is David? The way he was talking yesterday, he seemed much wiser/ mature. He reminded me a lot of the way Jacob talks.

    [/quote]

    Quoting myself here- but, David does bother me. He is the only “new” character we have seen, and he is important- more so than just: Oh, Jack has a kid now. He obviously wanted to stay with his dad ’til seven. Why? Will everyone be at the hospital by then? Sun, Jin, Jack, Locke are there already. Juliette might be there, too. Sawyer could show up with Sayid in order for Jin to id him. Claire could be in labor shortly. Who next? Hurley? Kate?

  210. Tater Nutz says:

    [quote comment="373737"]
    And if Ilana had a distinct accent before, but not now, what sort of difference in time would have changed that?
    [/quote]
    Think…

    (Parents allowed to immigrate to the West…
    She was born and raised in the West…
    Was not raised in East Crapolovakia)

  211. Miraks says:

    Furher more, Kate made a point of reminding Claire (and us) hat she was there when Aaron was born. I’ll bet anything that she will be present et Aaron’s birth this time around, too.

  212. Jeanne says:

    [quote comment="373713"][quote comment="373621"]So I do think Sayid is no longer ‘on the dark side’ …or at least has changed to some degree. In his zombie form he has no feelings as he explained a few episodes ago. Then he told Flocke he just killed an unarmed man in cold blood (or something like that) so he needed a moment…if he had no feeling he wouldn’t need a moment because he wouldn’t care.

    My theory is desmond made a good choice in phrasing his sentences and somehow snapped sayid out of his zombie-like state of being and that it took sayid so long because he was helping desmond out of the well. That’s what I hope anyway.

    In the FSW, I also think Claire will go into labor sometime soon and end up at the hospital. I’m curious how Kate and Sawyer and Sayid will end up there…I just feel like everyone is gonna meet up there. And my gut is that Juliet is Jack’s ex-wife and will end up at the hospital to pick up david b/c Jack’s performing surgery and can’t take him home by 7.

    Also refresh my memory cause at the moment, I can’t remember…where are ben and miles on the island?[/quote]

    If Juliet is Jack’s ex-wife, then Jack would have woken up loooooooooooooong ago. My guess is it’s not someone he met on the island…[/quote]

    Would I be wrong in assuming that Jack’s ex-wife, Sarah, is the mother of David? I don’t think so because she did have a pregnancy scare when they were having problems. Then Jack was in the hospital and his ex-wife was on his emergency call list. She shows up pregnant. hmmm

  213. Belle says:

    [quote comment="373733"][quote comment="373704"][quote comment="373693"]
    Zoe has only been shown holding a gun hasn’t she? Doesn’t take a scientist to know how to do that. Shooting and actually hitting the target is the real skill. I doubt she be able to hit a Black Rock even if she was right in front of it.

    The rifle would still shoot. Seawater isn’t good for a gun in the long run but it wouldn’t render it useless.

    LOL. Isn’t it shoot first and ask questions later?[/quote]

    ——–
    But we don’t know how good a shot Zoe (aka Tina Fey) is now, do we? But then she wasn’t very far away from the targets and with her gun set on auto she could pretty much make a mess of the gang. I haven’t exactly seen the Losties at a Practice range themselves or even instructing each other on gun training and safety! (“don’t point that thing at me you moron!”
    “Oh, it’s OK…I have the safety on…BAM! Oooops…my bad!”)

    Zoe’s look says; she could shoot the electron off an atom. She’s got such a steely gaze.
    NEVER underestimate a woman! There was a film once called; Deadlier than the Male…(French film, I think—Shudda put the women in the front lines when Hitler swept into France) Femme Fatal is also a French term.

    Maybe that Post Water gun of Sawyer’s would still work for a while ….but I like the old saying; keep your powder dry.
    Odd that a big strong guy like Sawyer could not figure out how to swim with one hand holding the rifle above water…it wasn’t that far out to the boat. A Dog like Sawyer could surely Dog Paddle.
    But Sawyer, the redneck would certainly know more about guns,eh? Sawyer, the actor probably knows more about Head Shots (Photos) than head shots (bullets to the knoggin).

    I know I’m splitting hairs over trivia..but I love details; the devil is in the details would be my mantra.
    (small things in plans and schemes that are often overlooked can cause serious problems later on)

    If my life might depend on a rifle at some point then that rifle is treated like it has hydrophobia.
    And not one person has been seen cleaning their gun despite being on a sandy island…just sayin’.
    I’d at least have a cork or piece of palm tree in the barrel end to keep it clean.
    Hope I don;’t sound like some gun nut because I’m not.
    Deadliest thing I own is a cat…and some old stuff in the Fridge.

    Loved it when someone on the boat said something about there being canned food on the boat…think it was the Pilot. Sure must beat Airline food. Don’t think I wudda said that out loud with Hurley around though, unless I disarmed him first.
    Or tied him to the mast like Odysseus.

    Why would Widmore just kill the Losties and not just lock them up? (seemed like the intent…)
    That’s so draconian! Like his taste in Painting.
    But I guess if the fate of the world really is in the balance…better safe than sorry?
    Might want to keep the Medical Doctor alive though— in case my people or myself got wounded.

    Does Jack’s son serve any purpose to the story? I mean, we had our little Hallmark cards moment with Dad previously but now he just seems like…cute scenery. And he must realize; “hey, I got a crazy preggers Auntie with a weird accent. And She’s gonna get some of my Grand Pa’s money!” Maybe he’ll get some drugs from Dad’s Doctor bag; “here, Dad, said to drink this!” He looks too much like an angel to be one; the cardinal rule of writers I believe.

    The other weird contrast I like;
    Ben trying to save Locke after the Desmond Parking Lot Destruction Derby and Ben killing Locke before.
    Ben there…done all that.
    I still hoping for a Ben and Juliet hook up.

    Sawyer clearly belongs with Illana, as do I.[/quote]

    I’m just busting on Zoe. I don’t know what it is but I can’t stand her.

    I agree. You don’t subject your gun to seawater or any water for that matter unless it’s absolutely unavoidable. Sawyer is no stranger to guns and should’ve known better. Didn’t he learn anything watching Little House on the Prairie? Guns do need to be cleaned not only after shooting but with all the sand, salt and moisture around that gun better be maintained if my life depended on it. Rust is not your friend. Plenty of coconut oil around. I would expect something like this from Michael but not Sawyer. Oops, sorry Libby. I didn’t know I was supposed to take my finger off the trigger.

    Looks like Widmore intends to off our Losties but I’m hoping not. Flocke may be telling the truth in one area. Widmore is the same man we always thought he was. He probably is trying to protect his loved ones from MIB but I also think he wants to be master of the island and won’t let anyone stand in his way. e.g. Freighter- capture Ben and kill everyone else on the island.

    I’m still waiting for the significance of David to be revealed too, if there is any.

    Yeah, where’s that evil Ben we’ve come to know, love and hate? Ironic.

  214. Belle says:

    I’m used to Flocke giving the evil eye but Desmond had a very devious look on his face as he gunned the engine to mow down Locke. It didn’t look like he was only trying to wake John up like he did with Hurley.

    MIB looks very angry and hateful when someone doesn’t fear him i.e. Desmond or Jack.

    I agree about the well. It looked a lot deeper the first time.

    Sayid telling Desmond basically that he believed “he” could bring the woman he loved back because “he” brought him(Sayid)back has me wondering more than ever how exactly that was possible. The Temple pool was discolored and apparently lost it’s healing qualities after Jacob was killed. Based on what they’ve shown us, MIB has far greater abilities than Jacob ever did.

  215. hollyb says:

    Was there ever a theory banded about how Illana sustained her wounds when Jacob came to her hospital bed and ask her the favor of going back to the island? Could it have been an explosion, like TNT?

  216. Lind says:

    [quote comment="373747"]Was there ever a theory banded about how Illana sustained her wounds when Jacob came to her hospital bed and ask her the favor of going back to the island? Could it have been an explosion, like TNT?[/quote]

    Naw…. she would have learned a lesson about explosives.

    She clearly never received such a lesson.

    But she cleans up nicely in FSW!! I want to know how she gets her hair so shiny!

  217. Fast Eddie S says:

    [quote comment="373748"][quote comment="373747"]Was there ever a theory banded about how Illana sustained her wounds when Jacob came to her hospital bed and ask her the favor of going back to the island? Could it have been an explosion, like TNT?[/quote]

    Naw…. she would have learned a lesson about explosives.

    She clearly never received such a lesson.

    But she cleans up nicely in FSW!! I want to know how she gets her hair so shiny![/quote]
    Was the abstract painting in Ilana’s office the same one that was in Charle’s office (original timeline)? Painted by Tommy?

  218. Belle says:

    [quote comment="373727"][quote comment="373723"]I think Hurley’s visions especially of Jacob are not Jacob but MIB. It seems what “Jacob” has been telling Hurley to do has resulted in tragedy. Taking Sayid to the Temple resulted in Sayid’s “resurrection” and the death of Dogen and the others at the Temple. Ilana was killed because Hurley lied and said he agreed with Richard about the dynamite. Gunfire couldn’t kill Smokey but I feel Ilana had an important role to play and MIB trough Hurley eliminated her. The plan has been moved along because now people, even Jack have been following Hurley because he claims he knows what to do and says “Trust me”. I thought Hurley acted strangely when he took Jacob’s ashes. There has to be something significant about those ashes. I don’t think Ilana just took them to have some of Jacob’s remains as one would keep a loved one’s ashes in an urn for remembrance.[/quote]

    I doubt that Jacob’s appirations have not been MIB… Jacob’s body was burned. I think MIB can only take the form of dead bodies that have not yet been buried or burned.

    Plus, there are four more episodes left… this series is winding down… not revving up for more conflict come season 7.[/quote]

    You may be right but I keep thinking what Richard said to Hurley. “Jacob never tells us what to do.”

  219. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="373669"][quote comment="373667"]Sorry Hammer, I screwed up the quotes.
    That may however conflict with the idea that Smokie is stuck as Flocke now. This would also mean he could not have been Flocke on the Hydra island and Christian on the main island with Sun, Frank and Ben. Was it established why he can’t take another form anymore?[/quote]

    ************
    I can’t remember if they actually told us why he can’t, but i was thinking it might be because Jacob was killed?

    It could be that he broke the rule (when Jacob was killed) and even though it was not he that did it, Jacob was still killed.[/quote]
    I think it is because they burried Locks body.

  220. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="373673"][quote comment="373671"]With the whole Christian debate don’t forget we also have a missing body in BOTH timelines.[/quote]
    _______________________________________
    I know that FLocke saying he took the form of Christian could be the writers’ attempts at “answering” a question, but I’d sure hate for it to be so inaccurate…..I’ve been thinking and thinking about people’s takes on this and I just cannot get over the fact that he was clearly off the island in two separate instances. For the writers to goof up that badly would be somewhat sad……[/quote]
    I don’t think MIB was Christian. I think he lied to Jack and Claire then said “did he tell you that he appeared as our father.” I think she overheard Flock say that when she followed them. She previously said she knew Aaron was with the others because her father told her and her friend told her. She knows Flock was lying.

  221. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="373684"][quote comment="373659"]Just wondering if anyone else was “letdown” with the Sun and Jin reunion? It was anticlimatic for me. Nowhere near on par with Desmond and Penny from The Constant or the episode where she finds the Losties in the ocean and finally sees Desmond.

    Also another point on the reunion, wouldn’t Widmore’s group have the sonic fence turned on to assist in keeping Flocke out? Which is why they put the fence up in the first place. It seemed as though Sun just ran right past the pylons into Jin’s waiting embrace. At least one of them had to cross the pylons to reach the other. I was half expecting one of them to get “zapped” when trying to get to one another.[/quote]

    When Sawyer and his group arrive on Hydra island, Zoe radios Whitmore and she mentions something about turning off the fence. Which is why they were not zapped.[/quote]
    It did in season 1.

  222. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="373710"][quote comment="373709"]i just watched the episode nammaste where the ajira crash occurs and clearly there is a time warp and when the plane lands/crashes kate, jack, hurley and sayid are gone. i guess they are in different times anyways[/quote]

    Have they addressed why Sun does not go back in time with Jack, Kate, Hurley and Sayid?[/quote]
    I think it is because only the candidates went back from flight 315.

  223. Rich says:

    Not sure why everybody loved the Desmond/Penny episode. Did it not seem unbelievable that Desmond, who works for Charles Widmore so intimately, would not know the name of his daughter? Very hard to buy that.

  224. Rich says:

    If Jacob brought the Black Rock to the island, why didn’t he go into the jungle to find it after the storm?

  225. phetsmar says:

    [quote comment="373713"][quote comment="373621"]So I do think Sayid is no longer ‘on the dark side’ …or at least has changed to some degree. In his zombie form he has no feelings as he explained a few episodes ago. Then he told Flocke he just killed an unarmed man in cold blood (or something like that) so he needed a moment…if he had no feeling he wouldn’t need a moment because he wouldn’t care.

    My theory is desmond made a good choice in phrasing his sentences and somehow snapped sayid out of his zombie-like state of being and that it took sayid so long because he was helping desmond out of the well. That’s what I hope anyway.

    In the FSW, I also think Claire will go into labor sometime soon and end up at the hospital. I’m curious how Kate and Sawyer and Sayid will end up there…I just feel like everyone is gonna meet up there. And my gut is that Juliet is Jack’s ex-wife and will end up at the hospital to pick up david b/c Jack’s performing surgery and can’t take him home by 7.

    Also refresh my memory cause at the moment, I can’t remember…where are ben and miles on the island?[/quote]

    If Juliet is Jack’s ex-wife, then Jack would have woken up loooooooooooooong ago. My guess is it’s not someone he met on the island…[/quote]

    Well, I think I just like the idea of his ex-wife being juliette. But as someone mentioned before, juliette could be sun’s doctor at the hospital who gives her an ultrasound and tells her the baby is going to be A-ok. I like that idea, too. I do think we will see juliette in the hospital soon.

    But regardless, I don’t think Jack would have remembered a loooooooong time ago anyway because I personally believe these memories are only occuring very very recently, only since after the FSW LAX flight lands…basically they are occuring since the ‘same time’ the plane crashed on the island originally. if that makes any sense.

  226. Aonghus Fallon says:

    Re Des’s motives for hitting Locke. I think in this instance Des was carrying on as he has so far – interceding in events to ensure certain people come in contact with one another – rather than acting out of malice or vindictiveness. If he hadn’t hit and injured Locke, then Locke wouldn’t have been brought to the hospital and been operated on by Jack.

  227. jinx says:

    [quote comment="373755"]Not sure why everybody loved the Desmond/Penny episode. Did it not seem unbelievable that Desmond, who works for Charles Widmore so intimately, would not know the name of his daughter? Very hard to buy that.[/quote]

    I think that perhaps when people are talking about loving Desmond/Penny episode, they are often times referring to The Constant, which had a very moving scene between them, and/or also when they finally reunited when Penny’s boat rescued the “Oceanic 6″. In the FSW episode he had never met Mrs. Widmore or Daniel, so even though he had a very close business relationship w/Widmore, it seems not to have spilled over to the social side. Penny was a child of Whidmore’s from a previous relationship, so may have not grown up in the same household and may have not been referred to often by the current Widmore household.

  228. wally p says:

    [quote comment="373755"]Not sure why everybody loved the Desmond/Penny episode. Did it not seem unbelievable that Desmond, who works for Charles Widmore so intimately, would not know the name of his daughter? Very hard to buy that.[/quote]

    not hard to believe at all, Widmore is very secretive—and obviously does not want him and Penny to meet…same reason he was so pissed about them being together in the first place. Though Widmores attitude towards Desmond is changed, I’d say his ultimate goals are the same… he’s just taking a different approach.

  229. wally goodspeed says:

    I just stole my dad Horaces bong… gonna go fishbowl his vintage VW and crank some “Frankenstein” by the Edgar Winter Group…

  230. We Have to stay! says:

    does anybody think its a possiblity for zoe to be jacks ex she does have the same eye color as david and she is pertty in real life.

  231. Seajam says:

    [quote comment="373763"]I just stole my dad Horaces bong… gonna go fishbowl his vintage VW and crank some “Frankenstein” by the Edgar Winter Group…[/quote]

    Do it in your own cabin… and don’t let Radzinsky catch you !!!

    On the serious side regarding MIB as Christian, he has appeared as Alex to Ben after the 315 crash. Could it be MIB/Smokie when we don’t hear the whispers (Christian, Alex to Ben, Jacob to Hurley) and not MIB/Smokie when we hear the whispers (Michael to Hurley)? Did I miss where they specifically stated that he is stuck as Locke because Locke’s body was buried or is that just speculation at this point?

  232. We Have to stay! says:

    [quote comment="373765"][quote comment="373763"]I just stole my dad Horaces bong… gonna go fishbowl his vintage VW and crank some “Frankenstein” by the Edgar Winter Group…[/quote]

    Do it in your own cabin… and don’t let Radzinsky catch you !!!

    On the serious side regarding MIB as Christian, he has appeared as Alex to Ben after the 315 crash. Could it be MIB/Smokie when we don’t hear the whispers (Christian, Alex to Ben, Jacob to Hurley) and not MIB/Smokie when we hear the whispers (Michael to Hurley)? Did I miss where they specifically stated that he is stuck as Locke because Locke’s body was buried or is that just speculation at this point?[/quote]
    @seajam… As far as i know .. the answer too the reason wht mib is stuck as locke is purely speculation because they have yet to give a clear reason why they have only revealed that he is stuck as locke and thats all and as far as mib being christan shepeard i believe that he may have projected himself to jack a few times on the island but i think there is a seperate being on the island that is also projecting theselves as christain shepard or he is actually roaming the island because of the scene that took place with frank lapidus and sun when christain spoke to them and showed them the picture mib was on the other island speaking to a hurt ben about the ‘elephant in the room’

  233. Bobola says:

    I had a little Epiphany last night…

    I didn’t see it before but my friend had just given me a Video of this Russian Vampire Movie that has two parts. Most of you may not know it, but it does have a sort of cult following.
    Some samples are on YouTube.
    Two parts called;
    DAYWATCH
    and
    NIGHTWATCH

    I’m betting that these films are a big influence on LOST as there some possible similarities…not overt ones with fangs, etc. but in the idea of duality.
    The balance of good and evil and of the supernatural.
    I haven’t worked it out in detail…
    so I’ll just put it out there;
    anyone else familiar with the Russian films and see some influence?
    There’s also a third part due soon…or maybe out by now.

  234. Sawyer's Evil Twin says:

    I’m getting the idea that the 2 worlds are similar in 1 way. Hurley was good in both worlds. Kate is bad. Sawyer is good but misguided. Jack has same problems in both worlds, always trying to do the right thing but making things worse at times. Just a theory of mine. I think Kate does kill somebody on the island so she will always be on the island; likewise, she goes to jail in the other world. Just thinking outloud here.

  235. Belle says:

    [quote comment="373764"]does anybody think its a possiblity for zoe to be jacks ex she does have the same eye color as david and she is pertty in real life.[/quote]

    I sure hope not. If she is, poor Jack.

  236. Miss lost says:

    [quote comment="373766"][quote comment="373765"][quote comment="373763"]I just stole my dad Horaces bong… gonna go fishbowl his vintage VW and crank some “Frankenstein” by the Edgar Winter Group…[/quote]

    Do it in your own cabin… and don’t let Radzinsky catch you !!!

    On the serious side regarding MIB as Christian, he has appeared as Alex to Ben after the 315 crash. Could it be MIB/Smokie when we don’t hear the whispers (Christian, Alex to Ben, Jacob to Hurley) and not MIB/Smokie when we hear the whispers (Michael to Hurley)? Did I miss where they specifically stated that he is stuck as Locke because Locke’s body was buried or is that just speculation at this point?[/quote]
    @seajam… As far as i know .. the answer too the reason wht mib is stuck as locke is purely speculation because they have yet to give a clear reason why they have only revealed that he is stuck as locke and thats all and as far as mib being christan shepeard i believe that he may have projected himself to jack a few times on the island but i think there is a seperate being on the island that is also projecting theselves as christain shepard or he is actually roaming the island because of the scene that took place with frank lapidus and sun when christain spoke to them and showed them the picture mib was on the other island speaking to a hurt ben about the ‘elephant in the room’[/quote]
    *************
    They didn’t say WHY, but Ilana told Ben that he was stuck that way now…my guess was because he broke the rules and killed Jacob…

  237. OMG says:

    [quote comment="373766"][quote comment="373765"][quote comment="373763"]I just stole my dad Horaces bong… gonna go fishbowl his vintage VW and crank some “Frankenstein” by the Edgar Winter Group…[/quote]

    Do it in your own cabin… and don’t let Radzinsky catch you !!!

    On the serious side regarding MIB as Christian, he has appeared as Alex to Ben after the 315 crash. Could it be MIB/Smokie when we don’t hear the whispers (Christian, Alex to Ben, Jacob to Hurley) and not MIB/Smokie when we hear the whispers (Michael to Hurley)? Did I miss where they specifically stated that he is stuck as Locke because Locke’s body was buried or is that just speculation at this point?[/quote]
    @seajam… As far as i know .. the answer too the reason wht mib is stuck as locke is purely speculation because they have yet to give a clear reason why they have only revealed that he is stuck as locke and thats all and as far as mib being christan shepeard i believe that he may have projected himself to jack a few times on the island but i think there is a seperate being on the island that is also projecting theselves as christain shepard or he is actually roaming the island because of the scene that took place with frank lapidus and sun when christain spoke to them and showed them the picture mib was on the other island speaking to a hurt ben about the ‘elephant in the room’[/quote]
    More punctuation and less coffee!

  238. andre gr says:

    Two thoughts:

    That kid Flocke sees sometimes is getting older real fast. That tells me that Flocke is running out of time and has to hurry. Also I think the kid is Jacob.

    We see Widmore fighting against Flocke. What isn’t he interested in chasing Ben anymore? I think that in Season 4 Widmore chased Ben in order to stop him from turning the Wheel in an effort to prevent future events.

  239. Amber says:

    you know what makes me sad how are they going to take by far the BEST character on lost BEN and just shove him to the side lines where has he been? I wish they would have put him more in it in the finale season. He has played such a big role in lost and now everyone is like hey where is Ben! makes me sad

  240. Brian Basile says:

    Rose and Bernard will have a significant role in the end. I think we will see something more out of Walt.

  241. Shelly says:

    Desmond IS NOW JACOB!!!

  242. justguessing says:

    [quote comment="373750"][quote comment="373727"][quote comment="373723"]I think Hurley’s visions especially of Jacob are not Jacob but MIB. It seems what “Jacob” has been telling Hurley to do has resulted in tragedy. Taking Sayid to the Temple resulted in Sayid’s “resurrection” and the death of Dogen and the others at the Temple. Ilana was killed because Hurley lied and said he agreed with Richard about the dynamite. Gunfire couldn’t kill Smokey but I feel Ilana had an important role to play and MIB trough Hurley eliminated her. The plan has been moved along because now people, even Jack have been following Hurley because he claims he knows what to do and says “Trust me”. I thought Hurley acted strangely when he took Jacob’s ashes. There has to be something significant about those ashes. I don’t think Ilana just took them to have some of Jacob’s remains as one would keep a loved one’s ashes in an urn for remembrance.[/quote]

    I doubt that Jacob’s appirations have not been MIB… Jacob’s body was burned. I think MIB can only take the form of dead bodies that have not yet been buried or burned.

    Plus, there are four more episodes left… this series is winding down… not revving up for more conflict come season 7.[/quote]

    You may be right but I keep thinking what Richard said to Hurley. “Jacob never tells us what to do.”[/quote]
    Jacob, when referring to Jack breaking the mirrors told Hurley “some people can be told what to do and others have to figure it out for themselves.” Also, when Jack stormed into Dogen’s office at the temple after Sayid said they tortured him… the guy w/ the glasses said “we were hoping you came on your own.” I think Jacob is testing Jack more than anybody else. Jacob has never had a message for Sawyer, because I believe he knows Sawyer cannot be told what to do. Even w/ MIB he appeared to go along only for his own agenda. Jack struggles w/ the choice between following his gut vs. just being a follower. Jack went along w/ Sawyers plan but immediately regretted his decision once on the boat.

    In response to Jacobs instructions to Hurly leading to tragedy… Jacob also told Hurley to carry around the guitar case, which saved their lives because w/o the list of names on the inside of the guitar case they would have been shot.

  243. HollyP says:

    [quote comment="373650"][quote comment="373648"][quote comment="373643"][/quote]

    And what is that about Locke being buried. That was well after MIB took on his form. I think it is a stretch to think he went into a dead body, rowed to Hydra and waited for Locke’s body to return.[/quote]
    No…there are plenty of dead bodies strewn about the island that MIB could have TAKEN THE FORM OF and boated across water. HE NEVER TAKES OVER A BODY. You posted the words “Locke’s body landed on Hydra island with the plane and Smokey took it over”. I am saying that MIB did not, does not, and will not take over any body, but that he COULD have taken the form of any dead body on the island and transported himself from island to island.[/quote]

    This is correct. After Jacob is killed, we see Flocke leave Jacob’s lair and pass Locke’s body, which Ilana just brought up from the crash site. Thus, Flocke took only Locke’s form and not his body.

    The reason Flocke needed to take Locke’s form, was that he needed an appearance which would allow him to a) get near Jacob and b) manipulate someone else (Ben) and get him to kill Jacob. Smokey could not kill Jacob himself. That was the loophole.

  244. HollyP says:

    [quote comment="373771"][quote comment="373766"][quote comment="373765"][quote comment="373763"]I just stole my dad Horaces bong… gonna go fishbowl his vintage VW and crank some “Frankenstein” by the Edgar Winter Group…[/quote]

    Do it in your own cabin… and don’t let Radzinsky catch you !!!

    On the serious side regarding MIB as Christian, he has appeared as Alex to Ben after the 315 crash. Could it be MIB/Smokie when we don’t hear the whispers (Christian, Alex to Ben, Jacob to Hurley) and not MIB/Smokie when we hear the whispers (Michael to Hurley)? Did I miss where they specifically stated that he is stuck as Locke because Locke’s body was buried or is that just speculation at this point?[/quote]
    @seajam… As far as i know .. the answer too the reason wht mib is stuck as locke is purely speculation because they have yet to give a clear reason why they have only revealed that he is stuck as locke and thats all and as far as mib being christan shepeard i believe that he may have projected himself to jack a few times on the island but i think there is a seperate being on the island that is also projecting theselves as christain shepard or he is actually roaming the island because of the scene that took place with frank lapidus and sun when christain spoke to them and showed them the picture mib was on the other island speaking to a hurt ben about the ‘elephant in the room’[/quote]
    More punctuation and less coffee![/quote]

    Flocke became stuck in Locke’s form once Jacob died. He took Alex’s form just before Jacob’s murder in order to manipulate Ben. He has not changed into another human form since, though he can still turn back into Smokey.

  245. Belle says:

    [quote comment="373782"][quote comment="373750"][quote comment="373727"][quote comment="373723"]I think Hurley’s visions especially of Jacob are not Jacob but MIB. It seems what “Jacob” has been telling Hurley to do has resulted in tragedy. Taking Sayid to the Temple resulted in Sayid’s “resurrection” and the death of Dogen and the others at the Temple. Ilana was killed because Hurley lied and said he agreed with Richard about the dynamite. Gunfire couldn’t kill Smokey but I feel Ilana had an important role to play and MIB trough Hurley eliminated her. The plan has been moved along because now people, even Jack have been following Hurley because he claims he knows what to do and says “Trust me”. I thought Hurley acted strangely when he took Jacob’s ashes. There has to be something significant about those ashes. I don’t think Ilana just took them to have some of Jacob’s remains as one would keep a loved one’s ashes in an urn for remembrance.[/quote]

    I doubt that Jacob’s appirations have not been MIB… Jacob’s body was burned. I think MIB can only take the form of dead bodies that have not yet been buried or burned.

    Plus, there are four more episodes left… this series is winding down… not revving up for more conflict come season 7.[/quote]

    You may be right but I keep thinking what Richard said to Hurley. “Jacob never tells us what to do.”[/quote]
    Jacob, when referring to Jack breaking the mirrors told Hurley “some people can be told what to do and others have to figure it out for themselves.” Also, when Jack stormed into Dogen’s office at the temple after Sayid said they tortured him… the guy w/ the glasses said “we were hoping you came on your own.” I think Jacob is testing Jack more than anybody else. Jacob has never had a message for Sawyer, because I believe he knows Sawyer cannot be told what to do. Even w/ MIB he appeared to go along only for his own agenda. Jack struggles w/ the choice between following his gut vs. just being a follower. Jack went along w/ Sawyers plan but immediately regretted his decision once on the boat.

    In response to Jacobs instructions to Hurly leading to tragedy… Jacob also told Hurley to carry around the guitar case, which saved their lives because w/o the list of names on the inside of the guitar case they would have been shot.[/quote]

    justguessing, what I should have specified was the instructions he gave Hurley on the island. I hope it was really Jacob and not MIB. The guitar case was in the cab that Hurley and Jacob shared off the island. I’ll have to go back and watch but didn’t Hurley tell Jacob that he forgot his guitar case and Jacob said it wasn’t his? I agree it was fortunate that Hurley brought the case with him to the Temple.

    Jack breaking the mirrors at the lighthouse was eerily similar to when he smashed his father’s coffin at the caves. I sure hope we find out what the deal is with Christian’s body being missing in both time lines.

  246. Belle says:

    We’ve discussed MIB posing as Christian and leading Jack to fall off the cliff in S1. It seems he was trying to get rid of him from the get go. Shortly after that Jack was trapped in the cave in.

    Locke was creepy from the beginning and after his first encounter with Smokey, he began being deceptive. He didn’t want to leave the island but there was more to it. It was evil of him to implicate Sawyer when Sayid was knocked out as he was trying to triangulate the transmission signal. Sayid dismissed it and Locke said Sawyer could have used a slow fuse such as a cigarette. We know it wasn’t Sawyer but him. It seems like he was already doing some of MIB’s bidding.

  247. wally p says:

    [quote comment="373789"]We’ve discussed MIB posing as Christian and leading Jack to fall off the cliff in S1. It seems he was trying to get rid of him from the get go. Shortly after that Jack was trapped in the cave in.

    Locke was creepy from the beginning and after his first encounter with Smokey, he began being deceptive. He didn’t want to leave the island but there was more to it. It was evil of him to implicate Sawyer when Sayid was knocked out as he was trying to triangulate the transmission signal. Sayid dismissed it and Locke said Sawyer could have used a slow fuse such as a cigarette. We know it wasn’t Sawyer but him. It seems like he was already doing some of MIB’s bidding.[/quote]

    That is interesting… I was thinking this too. There have been several instances where we have seen Locke do MIB’ish things…but other times where he does the complete opposite of what MIB would do. I think another part of MIB taking over Locke might be that he can manipulate Lockes memories… like in a Desmond time flash sense… I keep going back to how the kid John Locke drew the picture of the smoke monster, and I always guessed that it was an island John Locke flashing through himself in the past… but maybe it could be the MIB… maybe the sideways Locke isn’t permanetley the MIB at this point, but MIB can channel his conciousness through John Locke at times… like when he told Ben to become the principal.

  248. Circus Mom says:

    Perhaps the story we have seen so far has been more than one timeline.

    Charlie said he didn’t know how to swim and then said his father taught him.

    The pictures in the house that Miles ghostbusted changed.

  249. E says:

    [quote comment="373653"]What if all of the Candidates are not actually on the island as a result of Jacob, as everyone thinks, but are actually brought there by Flocke.
    What if they are all “Candidates” to be part of Flocke’s army to help him get off the island and not really Candidates to replace Jacob at all.[/quote]

    TOTALLY agree! MIB brings new people to the island, and Jacob just hopes that good will overcome evil eventually. The lighthouse was actually MIB’s… that’s why Jacob didn’t care that it was destroyed by Jack. The cave where all the names are written on the ceiling could have been MIB’s cave, not Jacob’s. Jacob is trying to keep MIB on the island, why would he bring people TO the island if that’s the only way MIB can get off of it?

  250. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="373792"][quote comment="373653"]What if all of the Candidates are not actually on the island as a result of Jacob, as everyone thinks, but are actually brought there by Flocke.
    What if they are all “Candidates” to be part of Flocke’s army to help him get off the island and not really Candidates to replace Jacob at all.[/quote]

    TOTALLY agree! MIB brings new people to the island, and Jacob just hopes that good will overcome evil eventually. The lighthouse was actually MIB’s… that’s why Jacob didn’t care that it was destroyed by Jack. The cave where all the names are written on the ceiling could have been MIB’s cave, not Jacob’s. Jacob is trying to keep MIB on the island, why would he bring people TO the island if that’s the only way MIB can get off of it?[/quote]
    TOTALLY DISAGREE!!

    JACOB: I take it you’re here ’cause of the ship.
    MAN IN BLACK: I am. How did they find the Island?
    JACOB: You’ll have to ask ‘em when they get here.
    MAN IN BLACK: I don’t have to ask. You brought them here. Still trying to prove me wrong, aren’t you?
    JACOB: You are wrong.
    MAN IN BLACK: Am I? They come. They fight. They destroy. They corrupt. It always ends the same.
    JACOB: It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress.

  251. Christine says:

    [quote comment="373793"][quote comment="373792"][quote comment="373653"]What if all of the Candidates are not actually on the island as a result of Jacob, as everyone thinks, but are actually brought there by Flocke.
    What if they are all “Candidates” to be part of Flocke’s army to help him get off the island and not really Candidates to replace Jacob at all.[/quote]

    TOTALLY agree! MIB brings new people to the island, and Jacob just hopes that good will overcome evil eventually. The lighthouse was actually MIB’s… that’s why Jacob didn’t care that it was destroyed by Jack. The cave where all the names are written on the ceiling could have been MIB’s cave, not Jacob’s. Jacob is trying to keep MIB on the island, why would he bring people TO the island if that’s the only way MIB can get off of it?[/quote]
    TOTALLY DISAGREE!!

    JACOB: I take it you’re here ’cause of the ship.
    MAN IN BLACK: I am. How did they find the Island?
    JACOB: You’ll have to ask ‘em when they get here.
    MAN IN BLACK: I don’t have to ask. You brought them here. Still trying to prove me wrong, aren’t you?
    JACOB: You are wrong.
    MAN IN BLACK: Am I? They come. They fight. They destroy. They corrupt. It always ends the same.
    JACOB: It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress.[/quote]

    Great point Hammer. Plus, why would Jacob need the lighthouse now? All the candidates are already there.

  252. Miss lost says:

    Did they remove “the candidate” since it is not officially on this week?
    I can’t find it now!

  253. Fast Eddie S says:

    [quote comment="373802"]Did they remove “the candidate” since it is not officially on this week?
    I can’t find it now![/quote]
    I show a rerun of ab aeterno tonight at regular time and Candidate on May 4

  254. Miss lost says:

    [quote comment="373803"][quote comment="373802"]Did they remove “the candidate” since it is not officially on this week?
    I can’t find it now![/quote]
    I show a rerun of ab aeterno tonight at regular time and Candidate on May 4[/quote]
    ***********8
    Around 9 this morning this blog site had “the candidate” up and running with 5 posts…and now it is gone. Maybe they are going to wait until next week to have it up for comments.

  255. Belle says:

    [quote comment="373791"]Perhaps the story we have seen so far has been more than one timeline.

    Charlie said he didn’t know how to swim and then said his father taught him.

    The pictures in the house that Miles ghostbusted changed.[/quote]

    That’s an interesting thought. Hmmm I forgot about Charlie saying that.

  256. Belle says:

    [quote comment="373790"][quote comment="373789"]

    Locke was creepy from the beginning and after his first encounter with Smokey, he began being deceptive. He didn’t want to leave the island but there was more to it. It was evil of him to implicate Sawyer when Sayid was knocked out as he was trying to triangulate the transmission signal. Sayid dismissed it and Locke said Sawyer could have used a slow fuse such as a cigarette. We know it wasn’t Sawyer but him. It seems like he was already doing some of MIB’s bidding.[/quote]

    That is interesting… I was thinking this too. There have been several instances where we have seen Locke do MIB’ish things…but other times where he does the complete opposite of what MIB would do. I think another part of MIB taking over Locke might be that he can manipulate Lockes memories… like in a Desmond time flash sense… I keep going back to how the kid John Locke drew the picture of the smoke monster, and I always guessed that it was an island John Locke flashing through himself in the past… but maybe it could be the MIB… maybe the sideways Locke isn’t permanetley the MIB at this point, but MIB can channel his conciousness through John Locke at times… like when he told Ben to become the principal.[/quote]

    I think about that drawing of Smokey too. Young Locke “remembers” Smokey but not the compass or Richard for that matter.

  257. Shadow says:

    I feel like an idiot. I was the first to post on the “candidate” blog this morning, and I was so excited about it, only to have it removed!

  258. Belle says:

    I got home late and missed over half of the show. I didn’t know it was going to be an enhanced episode. Did we learn anything we didn’t already know?

  259. Miss lost says:

    [quote comment="373811"]I got home late and missed over half of the show. I didn’t know it was going to be an enhanced episode. Did we learn anything we didn’t already know?[/quote]
    ***********
    I guess there were a few things answered.
    1. It was MIB who appeared as Isabella on the ship. While he was in her form we could also hear smokey in the background~I found that interesting. Also interesting that he was able to take her form or vision and her body was NOT on the island.
    2. They said MIB trying to get Richard to kill Jacob was his first attempt at the loophole. Maybe now we know that Jacob had been looking for a replacement since then.
    3. Richard being asked to be Jacob’s helper was the beginning of the Others (as Jacob obviously brought more people to the island)
    4. They compared what Jacob said to Ricahrd and What Jack said to Kate (along the lines of it did not matter what they did or who they were off the island, they all get a fresh start on the island) as being the same…

  260. The Kath says:

    [quote comment="373818"][quote comment="373811"]I got home late and missed over half of the show. I didn’t know it was going to be an enhanced episode. Did we learn anything we didn’t already know?[/quote]
    ***********
    I guess there were a few things answered.
    1. It was MIB who appeared as Isabella on the ship. While he was in her form we could also hear smokey in the background~I found that interesting. Also interesting that he was able to take her form or vision and her body was NOT on the island.
    2. They said MIB trying to get Richard to kill Jacob was his first attempt at the loophole. Maybe now we know that Jacob had been looking for a replacement since then.
    3. Richard being asked to be Jacob’s helper was the beginning of the Others (as Jacob obviously brought more people to the island)
    4. They compared what Jacob said to Ricahrd and What Jack said to Kate (along the lines of it did not matter what they did or who they were off the island, they all get a fresh start on the island) as being the same…[/quote]
    *******************************************

    Also that Kate is definitely not a candidate. I was wondering this before because we did not see her name on the cave wall. I asked about her being a candidate since fLocke told Claire the Kate wasn’t a candidate but some one (PJ or Hammer, forget which one) responded to me that fLocke is a known liar so Kate could very well be a candidate but last night in the information bar when they listed the candidates, they did not list Kate.

    Looks like Kate’s role will be “bait” for fLocke to use against Sawyer and Jack.

  261. The Quoter says:

    While some have mentioned thats something is up with Jack’s son, I read this and thought mmm interesting… so what do yall think. It would make sense in terms of the sacrifice part but…

    “David Shepherd is the Man in Black. There is just something about him. Especially in The Last Recruit. Concerning his dead grandfather, he tells Jack I feel sad for you in a manner that is very similer to how the Man in Black would try to, and has, manipulated others. Also, Jack, Desmond, and Claire all signed in at the front desk of that lobby, with the sign that said All visitors must sign in. David did not. He created the flash-sideways, and is thus not a visitor. He is also the only seemingly important flash-sideways character who is not in the original timeline. This fake relationship is what Jack would/will have to sacrifice. Or am I reading too much into this?”

    -viaLAtimes

  262. Lind says:

    [quote comment="373820"]While some have mentioned thats something is up with Jack’s son, I read this and thought mmm interesting… so what do yall think. It would make sense in terms of the sacrifice part but…

    “David Shepherd is the Man in Black. There is just something about him. Especially in The Last Recruit. Concerning his dead grandfather, he tells Jack I feel sad for you in a manner that is very similer to how the Man in Black would try to, and has, manipulated others. Also, Jack, Desmond, and Claire all signed in at the front desk of that lobby, with the sign that said All visitors must sign in. David did not. He created the flash-sideways, and is thus not a visitor. He is also the only seemingly important flash-sideways character who is not in the original timeline. This fake relationship is what Jack would/will have to sacrifice. Or am I reading too much into this?”

    -viaLAtimes[/quote]

    having a hard time buying it. He’s 12 (or something) … Jack most likely signed both names.

  263. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="373818"][quote comment="373811"][/quote]
    ***********
    I guess there were a few things answered.
    1. It was MIB who appeared as Isabella on the ship. While he was in her form we could also hear smokey in the background~I found that interesting. Also interesting that he was able to take her form or vision and her body was NOT on the island.
    [/quote]
    Kind of confirms my arguement that MIB can cast an apparition OFF the island without being off the island. He casted an apparition of Isabella that was separate from his actual being.

  264. cal777flyer says:

    I just rewatched ‘walkabout’ and ‘white rabbit’, very interesting episodes considering what is going on now with Locke/MIB. In ‘walkabout’ there is a scene where John sees the smoke monster face to face and his face says it all… then they cut to a commercial. Later John talks about looking in to the eye of the island and what he saw was beautiful in ‘white rabbit’. At first I thought Locke died in a scene that we haven’t yet seen in that moment and since then he was the MIB, but watching further episodes that is clearly NOT the case in my opinion. However, I think Locke has been controlled, guided, or whatever you want to call it by the MIB since the very beginning. Locke’s uncanny ability to be at the right place at the right time, such as saving Jack from falling off the cliff in ‘white rabbit’ or saving Charlie from the heroin addiction and giving his guitar back or knowing when it is about to rain or numerous other situations like this, coupled with his dreams that are really just signs of things that the island is trying to tell him convince me completely that MIB has been there all along guiding Locke and manipulating him with the bait that he is special and that the island is talking to him. That being said, I do think the real Locke will play a big role in the end considering all the MIB slander about how foolish Locke was. MIB thinks Locke is dead and he slanders him due to his realization of how easy it was for him to manipulate Locke due to Locke’s need to feel special. I think the MIB is underestimating the rules and how the real Locke will play in the end game. How many times on Lost have we seen someone we thought to be an all-knowing character to turn out as only seeing part of the picture (I believe this is no different with MIB and Jacob for that matter)?

    By the way, when Locke opens his eyes after being knocked down by the boar in ‘walkabout’ when they are hunting boar it seems awful reminiscent of the Desmond’s flashing (mental not physical). I think John has experienced something very similar to that on numerous occasions throughout this show from the start, again serving in his mind to enforce that he is special.

    Watch those two episodes during this down week and tell me what you think…. I am interested to hear someone else’s opinion on this.

  265. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="373823"][quote comment="373818"][quote comment="373811"][/quote]
    ***********
    I guess there were a few things answered.
    1. It was MIB who appeared as Isabella on the ship. While he was in her form we could also hear smokey in the background~I found that interesting. Also interesting that he was able to take her form or vision and her body was NOT on the island.
    [/quote]
    Kind of confirms my arguement that MIB can cast an apparition OFF the island without being off the island. He casted an apparition of Isabella that was separate from his actual being.[/quote]
    Also supports that he can cast apparitions of ANYONE, but when his being takes the form of a person, he needs the body.

  266. justguessing says:

    The re-airing of that episode just further confused me on who is Good and who is so called Evil. When Jacob first saw Richard he beat the crap out of him, until he found out that he talked to MIB and then he was Mr. Nice Guy. That was totally out of character for the Jacob that we’ve seen. Also the pop-up says that Jacob “CLAIMS to be protector of the island.”… to me that’s very significant. Also, there has been talk on how MIB/Locke has made fake promises to bring back loved ones from the dead. However, that’s not exactly what he did. He never said I can bring them back… he always says “do you want to see them again… I promise I can make that happen”. There is a huge difference. And MIB giving Richard his cross back was interesting… would the so-called Devil do that? Just guessing.

  267. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="373825"][quote comment="373823"][quote comment="373818"][quote comment="373811"][/quote]
    ***********
    I guess there were a few things answered.
    1. It was MIB who appeared as Isabella on the ship. While he was in her form we could also hear smokey in the background~I found that interesting. Also interesting that he was able to take her form or vision and her body was NOT on the island.
    [/quote]
    Kind of confirms my arguement that MIB can cast an apparition OFF the island without being off the island. He casted an apparition of Isabella that was separate from his actual being.[/quote]
    Also supports that he can cast apparitions of ANYONE, but when his being takes the form of a person, he needs the body.[/quote]
    By ‘anyone’ I mean someone Smokey finds when he scans the person he wants to influence. He scanned Richard, then cast an apparition of Isabella to influence help influence Richard to try to kill Jacob. He couldn’t take her form because her body wasn’t there, but he could cast an apparition. That is why we could hear him outside the Black Rock, he wasn’t the ‘form’ of Isabella…he casted an apparition of her.

  268. cal777flyer says:

    I haven’t posted much on this blog since the Faraday ‘time questions’ episodes but I have been lurking and reading. I think some of the insights on this forum are really sharp. In the few posts that I made I talked about quantum physics, relativity, and how it relates to how we perceive time. I think it is time for a quick revisit to that discussion.

    Quantum physics tells us that every event that we experience is just one possible reality of many. All these realities take place at the same time and when we experience an event that becomes our reality. That is a very watered down explanation and even many theoretical physicists argue different takes on this, but for now lets just leave it at that.

    What if the way we are perceiving the events in the different time lines is all wrong? We are looking at the events in a relativistic ‘linear’ timeline, but what if they are occurring in a sort of quantum state of all at once. Let me explain…

    We are perceiving events to be happening as past, present, future, and sideways(what is this?). One linear timeline with a pre 815 crash time, a post ‘O6′ rescue real world time, some flashing between different times (70’s,etc) on the island, a 2007 return to island time (post ‘O6′ rescue and island flash stuff), and a flash sideways time. What if all of these are different realities and events that our characters are experiencing and are all taking place at the same time due to some quantum event causing some anomoly in time. Let me try and draw it maybe…

    /——–\
    /———-\
    —–/————\————
    \————/
    \———-/
    \——–/

    the original timeline was interrupted due to some quantum anomoly and the island comes in to existence along with Jacob and MIB and the game with all the rules. It only ends once, means that at some point they have to get all the timelines to reconcile and end this quantum event or a catastrophe such as time ripping apart as we know it will occur (hence the God help us all comments and ‘mumbo jumbo’). What if this ends once means the catastrophe or the reconciling of time. If time is reconciled than Jacob and MIB can go home (what ever that means?) and there is NO replacements for them! The island sinks because there is no longer a need for it! Our Lost characters go back about there daily normal lives but in a new reality with what ever future they made for themselves based on the decisions and relationships they forged during this quantum anomoly (hence the make your own kind of music… ‘mumbo jumbo’ from that song, and the letter from Penny to Des saying that you only need one person in life that loves you).

    Or, maybe I am reading more into this than is there…

    At any rate, I think this show had a sense of direction from the start and I truly believe the writers, producers, actors, etc. have all given us one of the best television series ever made. I am truly impressed and can’t wait to see how it all ends. I also believe that us loyal fans will be very satisfied in the end, I am not sure why some have been so negative lately.

  269. wally goodspeed says:

    Cal777 I think you are on the same thinking as me about Locke… The early seasons say it all IMO. Claires dream where Locke has the black and white stones for eyes… he’s two entities basically. MIB has taken over Lockes entity in the future,,, but MIB has the same power to mind flashh as Desmond (guessing…) and can use that power to flash through Locke at any point in Lockes life ala mind flash. Hence, the mysterious drawing of the smoke monster that kid Locke drew as a signal to Richard… (if MIB had been able to permanantly control Locke, he would have chosen the compass as well) …Locke in the sideways telling Ben to blackmail the principal,,, and MANY scenes in the earlier episodes… for instance, knowing when the rain is coming (my guess- this was the first time MIB flashed back through Locke)…

  270. cal777flyer says:

    Sorry but that diagram of the timeline did NOT come out the way I intended…. I will try again later.

  271. cal777flyer says:

    if you imagine line 1,2,4,5, and 6 were moved forward to line up with the slashes on line 3 than maybe you can picture what I was trying to draw… I will attempt to fix it later, gotta run.

  272. Miss lost says:

    [quote comment="373827"][quote comment="373825"][quote comment="373823"][quote comment="373818"][quote comment="373811"][/quote]
    ***********
    I guess there were a few things answered.
    1. It was MIB who appeared as Isabella on the ship. While he was in her form we could also hear smokey in the background~I found that interesting. Also interesting that he was able to take her form or vision and her body was NOT on the island.
    [/quote]
    Kind of confirms my arguement that MIB can cast an apparition OFF the island without being off the island. He casted an apparition of Isabella that was separate from his actual being.[/quote]
    Also supports that he can cast apparitions of ANYONE, but when his being takes the form of a person, he needs the body.[/quote]
    By ‘anyone’ I mean someone Smokey finds when he scans the person he wants to influence. He scanned Richard, then cast an apparition of Isabella to influence help influence Richard to try to kill Jacob. He couldn’t take her form because her body wasn’t there, but he could cast an apparition. That is why we could hear him outside the Black Rock, he wasn’t the ‘form’ of Isabella…he casted an apparition of her.[/quote]
    ************
    I would agree and thus agree that he could be the “people” we saw off island…Claire to Kate, Christian to Jack in the hospital and to Michael on the freighter…
    I was also wondering if it was only the scan of Richard’s memory, or also that he had HER locket?

  273. wally goodspeed says:

    [quote comment="373832"][quote comment="373827"][quote comment="373825"][quote comment="373823"][quote comment="373818"][quote comment="373811"][/quote]
    ***********
    I guess there were a few things answered.
    1. It was MIB who appeared as Isabella on the ship. While he was in her form we could also hear smokey in the background~I found that interesting. Also interesting that he was able to take her form or vision and her body was NOT on the island.
    [/quote]
    Kind of confirms my arguement that MIB can cast an apparition OFF the island without being off the island. He casted an apparition of Isabella that was separate from his actual being.[/quote]
    Also supports that he can cast apparitions of ANYONE, but when his being takes the form of a person, he needs the body.[/quote]
    By ‘anyone’ I mean someone Smokey finds when he scans the person he wants to influence. He scanned Richard, then cast an apparition of Isabella to influence help influence Richard to try to kill Jacob. He couldn’t take her form because her body wasn’t there, but he could cast an apparition. That is why we could hear him outside the Black Rock, he wasn’t the ‘form’ of Isabella…he casted an apparition of her.[/quote]
    ************
    I would agree and thus agree that he could be the “people” we saw off island…Claire to Kate, Christian to Jack in the hospital and to Michael on the freighter…
    I was also wondering if it was only the scan of Richard’s memory, or also that he had HER locket?[/quote]

    I say it was the locket… Why’d dead Locke have to have Christians shoes?

  274. WTF says:

    [quote comment="373833"][quote comment="373832"][quote comment="373827"][quote comment="373825"][quote comment="373823"][quote comment="373818"][quote comment="373811"][/quote]
    ***********

    I was also wondering if it was only the scan of Richard’s memory, or also that he had HER locket?[/quote]

    I say it was the locket… Why’d dead Locke have to have Christians shoes?[/quote]

    They were not Christians shoes. They were Jack’s grandfathers, Ray.

  275. Miss lost says:

    I think they were Christian’s shoes…Jack saw them when he was visiting his grandpa. He recognized the shoes and asked if they were his dad’s and then asked if he could take them. I think Eloise told Jack that he needed something of his dad’s to give to Locke (I don’t remember if she said it HAD to be shoes…
    She told Jack that they had to recreate the original flight as much as possible and needed something of Christians…
    There might be more significance to the shoes, but I do remember Jack talking to dead Locke and saying how he must be laughing at him putting on the shoes…and that the first time around he only put tennis shoes on his dad…something about not being worthy of nicer shoes (is that right?)
    Anyway, wonder what happened to those shoes? I would assume flocke has different ones on now since he is no longer in the suit!

  276. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="373833"]
    I say it was the locket… Why’d dead Locke have to have Christians shoes?[/quote]
    Christian’s body is still missing and MIB now has the shoes…gonna be significant I think.

  277. Miraks says:

    [quote comment="373820"]While some have mentioned thats something is up with Jack’s son, I read this and thought mmm interesting… so what do yall think. It would make sense in terms of the sacrifice part but…

    “David Shepherd is the Man in Black. There is just something about him. Especially in The Last Recruit. Concerning his dead grandfather, he tells Jack I feel sad for you in a manner that is very similer to how the Man in Black would try to, and has, manipulated others. Also, Jack, Desmond, and Claire all signed in at the front desk of that lobby, with the sign that said All visitors must sign in. David did not. He created the flash-sideways, and is thus not a visitor. He is also the only seemingly important flash-sideways character who is not in the original timeline. This fake relationship is what Jack would/will have to sacrifice. Or am I reading too much into this?”

    -viaLAtimes[/quote]

    I asked about that above in 209. I thought he was more the “jacob-like” figure in the fsw. That is why he wants to stay with Jack ’til seven. As i said above, my guess is that everyone will have met up at the hospital by then.

  278. wally goodspeed says:

    [quote comment="373836"][quote comment="373833"]
    I say it was the locket… Why’d dead Locke have to have Christians shoes?[/quote]
    Christian’s body is still missing and MIB now has the shoes…gonna be significant I think.[/quote]

    agree… I was trying to see if anyone could draw a parrallel with the necklace and the shoes… something about them being that persons belongings… I dunno ,,

    but what I did just notice is that Ekos brother had a cross necklace… so either the MIB has a thing for cross necklaces,,, or he needs (at least) some type of belonging to project an aparition, maybe(rather then a brain scan) Of course this may not be a great example because Yemis body was also on the island, and the cross was actually Ekos…

    *water bubbling sounds* I’m Horaces son!

  279. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="373826"]The re-airing of that episode just further confused me on who is Good and who is so called Evil. When Jacob first saw Richard he beat the crap out of him, until he found out that he talked to MIB and then he was Mr. Nice Guy. That was totally out of character for the Jacob that we’ve seen. Also the pop-up says that Jacob “CLAIMS to be protector of the island.”… to me that’s very significant. Also, there has been talk on how MIB/Locke has made fake promises to bring back loved ones from the dead. However, that’s not exactly what he did. He never said I can bring them back… he always says “do you want to see them again… I promise I can make that happen”. There is a huge difference. And MIB giving Richard his cross back was interesting… would the so-called Devil do that? Just guessing.[/quote]
    I actually thought MIB meant that they could see their loved ones again when they are dead too.

  280. Circus Mom says:

    [quote comment="373828"]I haven’t posted much on this blog since the Faraday ‘time questions’ episodes but I have been lurking and reading. I think some of the insights on this forum are really sharp. In the few posts that I made I talked about quantum physics, relativity, and how it relates to how we perceive time. I think it is time for a quick revisit to that discussion.

    Quantum physics tells us that every event that we experience is just one possible reality of many. All these realities take place at the same time and when we experience an event that becomes our reality. That is a very watered down explanation and even many theoretical physicists argue different takes on this, but for now lets just leave it at that.

    What if the way we are perceiving the events in the different time lines is all wrong? We are looking at the events in a relativistic ‘linear’ timeline, but what if they are occurring in a sort of quantum state of all at once. Let me explain…

    We are perceiving events to be happening as past, present, future, and sideways(what is this?). One linear timeline with a pre 815 crash time, a post ‘O6′ rescue real world time, some flashing between different times (70’s,etc) on the island, a 2007 return to island time (post ‘O6′ rescue and island flash stuff), and a flash sideways time. What if all of these are different realities and events that our characters are experiencing and are all taking place at the same time due to some quantum event causing some anomoly in time. Let me try and draw it maybe…

    /——–\
    /———-\
    —–/————\————
    \————/
    \———-/
    \——–/

    the original timeline was interrupted due to some quantum anomoly and the island comes in to existence along with Jacob and MIB and the game with all the rules. It only ends once, means that at some point they have to get all the timelines to reconcile and end this quantum event or a catastrophe such as time ripping apart as we know it will occur (hence the God help us all comments and ‘mumbo jumbo’). What if this ends once means the catastrophe or the reconciling of time. If time is reconciled than Jacob and MIB can go home (what ever that means?) and there is NO replacements for them! The island sinks because there is no longer a need for it! Our Lost characters go back about there daily normal lives but in a new reality with what ever future they made for themselves based on the decisions and relationships they forged during this quantum anomoly (hence the make your own kind of music… ‘mumbo jumbo’ from that song, and the letter from Penny to Des saying that you only need one person in life that loves you).

    Or, maybe I am reading more into this than is there…

    At any rate, I think this show had a sense of direction from the start and I truly believe the writers, producers, actors, etc. have all given us one of the best television series ever made. I am truly impressed and can’t wait to see how it all ends. I also believe that us loyal fans will be very satisfied in the end, I am not sure why some have been so negative lately.[/quote]
    Kind of what I was saying withthis,

    Perhaps the story we have seen so far has been more than one timeline.

    Charlie said he didn’t know how to swim and then said his father taught him.

    The pictures in the house that Miles ghostbusted changed.

  281. Fast Eddie S says:

    [quote comment="373841"][quote comment="373828"]I haven’t posted much on this blog since the Faraday ‘time questions’ episodes but I have been lurking and reading. to some quantum event causing some anomoly in time. Let me try and draw it maybe…

    /——–\
    /———-\
    —–/————\————
    \————/
    \———-/
    \——–/

    wait to see how it all ends. I also believe that us loyal fans will be very satisfied in the end, I am not sure why some have been so negative lately.[/quote]
    Kind of what I was saying withthis,

    Perhaps the story we have seen so far has been more than one timeline.

    Charlie said he didn’t know how to swim and then said his father taught him.

    The pictures in the house that Miles ghostbusted changed.[/quote]
    Your theories are supported by the drawing in Daniel’s journal.
    Imaginary space – island?
    Imaginaery time – FSW?
    Events A B & C?

  282. Belle says:

    [quote comment="373818"][quote comment="373811"]I got home late and missed over half of the show. I didn’t know it was going to be an enhanced episode. Did we learn anything we didn’t already know?[/quote]
    ***********
    I guess there were a few things answered.
    1. It was MIB who appeared as Isabella on the ship. While he was in her form we could also hear smokey in the background~I found that interesting. Also interesting that he was able to take her form or vision and her body was NOT on the island.
    2. They said MIB trying to get Richard to kill Jacob was his first attempt at the loophole. Maybe now we know that Jacob had been looking for a replacement since then.
    3. Richard being asked to be Jacob’s helper was the beginning of the Others (as Jacob obviously brought more people to the island)
    4. They compared what Jacob said to Ricahrd and What Jack said to Kate (along the lines of it did not matter what they did or who they were off the island, they all get a fresh start on the island) as being the same…[/quote]

    Thank you Miss lost AND The Kath.

    1. post #171 I had a little doubt but for the most part I believed this; whether off island or in two places at the same time. Someone had suggested that Jack was drinking at the time he saw Christian at the hospital but we weren’t really given any evidence that Jack was starting to have hallucinations.

    2. This one surprises me a bit. I thought Jacob and MIB had been there a lot longer. Unless this is the point where MIB had finally tired of the situation and started looking for his loophole.

    3. I often think of the Others and all the terrible things they did. I’ve concluded that Richard advised them but ultimately what they chose to do was their decision whether it was what Jacob wanted or not.

    4. I remember Jack saying that to Kate in season 1. I believe it’s when she was finally going to tell Jack what she had done.

  283. Jeanne says:

    [quote comment="373793"][quote comment="373792"][quote comment="373653"]What if all of the Candidates are not actually on the island as a result of Jacob, as everyone thinks, but are actually brought there by Flocke.
    What if they are all “Candidates” to be part of Flocke’s army to help him get off the island and not really Candidates to replace Jacob at all.[/quote]

    TOTALLY agree! MIB brings new people to the island, and Jacob just hopes that good will overcome evil eventually. The lighthouse was actually MIB’s… that’s why Jacob didn’t care that it was destroyed by Jack. The cave where all the names are written on the ceiling could have been MIB’s cave, not Jacob’s. Jacob is trying to keep MIB on the island, why would he bring people TO the island if that’s the only way MIB can get off of it?[/quote]
    TOTALLY DISAGREE!!

    JACOB: I take it you’re here ’cause of the ship.
    MAN IN BLACK: I am. How did they find the Island?
    JACOB: You’ll have to ask ‘em when they get here.
    MAN IN BLACK: I don’t have to ask. You brought them here. Still trying to prove me wrong, aren’t you?
    JACOB: You are wrong.
    MAN IN BLACK: Am I? They come. They fight. They destroy. They corrupt. It always ends the same.
    JACOB: It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress.[/quote]
    Second the motion

  284. Jeanne says:

    [quote comment="373839"][quote comment="373836"][quote comment="373833"]
    Why’d dead Locke have to have Christians shoes?[/quote]
    I thought the shoes were significant in the passing the responsibility to Locke from Christian. Christian was in “Jacob’s” cabin which I believe the smoke monster was in. I somehow think that Christian was connected to the MIB. The chain of command needed to be passed from Christian to Locke so that Locke (MIB) could get off the island. The shoes were the tool which allowed the transfer to occur. Just a thought.

  285. Belle says:

    [quote comment="373824"]I just rewatched ‘walkabout’ and ‘white rabbit’, very interesting episodes considering what is going on now with Locke/MIB. In ‘walkabout’ there is a scene where John sees the smoke monster face to face and his face says it all… then they cut to a commercial. Later John talks about looking in to the eye of the island and what he saw was beautiful in ‘white rabbit’. At first I thought Locke died in a scene that we haven’t yet seen in that moment and since then he was the MIB, but watching further episodes that is clearly NOT the case in my opinion. However, I think Locke has been controlled, guided, or whatever you want to call it by the MIB since the very beginning. Locke’s uncanny ability to be at the right place at the right time, such as saving Jack from falling off the cliff in ‘white rabbit’ or saving Charlie from the heroin addiction and giving his guitar back or knowing when it is about to rain or numerous other situations like this, coupled with his dreams that are really just signs of things that the island is trying to tell him convince me completely that MIB has been there all along guiding Locke and manipulating him with the bait that he is special and that the island is talking to him. That being said, I do think the real Locke will play a big role in the end considering all the MIB slander about how foolish Locke was. MIB thinks Locke is dead and he slanders him due to his realization of how easy it was for him to manipulate Locke due to Locke’s need to feel special. I think the MIB is underestimating the rules and how the real Locke will play in the end game. How many times on Lost have we seen someone we thought to be an all-knowing character to turn out as only seeing part of the picture (I believe this is no different with MIB and Jacob for that matter)?

    By the way, when Locke opens his eyes after being knocked down by the boar in ‘walkabout’ when they are hunting boar it seems awful reminiscent of the Desmond’s flashing (mental not physical). I think John has experienced something very similar to that on numerous occasions throughout this show from the start, again serving in his mind to enforce that he is special.

    Watch those two episodes during this down week and tell me what you think…. I am interested to hear someone else’s opinion on this.[/quote]

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    post# 87,102(DBM),193,246,256(wally p)mentioned above. You should read all the previous posts. Great theories and interesting thoughts.

    He was on the hook the moment he wiggled his toes. To add to John being at the right place at the right time and his weather predictions (and the ones listed above), there are numerous examples of Locke’s strange behavior and infinite knowledge on just about everything. To name a few, making glue, that hallucinogenic paste he made and put on Boone’s head (evil IMO), allowing Jin to get beaten up over the burning of the raft when he knew Walt did it (no one would have beaten up Walt), everything you ever wanted to know about boar and bagging one all by yourself, making a trebuchet, giving his compass to Sayid because he no longer needed one etc.. He had that strange premonition seeing Boone covered in blood and the Beechcraft crashing. When he was knocked down by the boar it looked like his paralysis was back and as he and Boone were looking for the plane he was quickly losing the function of his legs. One can only speculate what that was about. Doubt maybe? He was frustrated with not being able to open the hatch and told Boone that the island would tell them what to do. Later he pounds on the hatch and says something to the effect of “I’ve done everything you’ve asked me to do”. After Boone dies he says “The island demanded a sacrifice”. That’s just the tip of the iceberg in the beginning of the show.

    I think John may still have a role to play in the end too.

  286. Belle says:

    [quote comment="373819"][quote comment="373818"][quote comment="373811"]I got home late and missed over half of the show. I didn’t know it was going to be an enhanced episode. Did we learn anything we didn’t already know?[/quote]
    ***********
    I guess there were a few things answered.
    1. It was MIB who appeared as Isabella on the ship. While he was in her form we could also hear smokey in the background~I found that interesting. Also interesting that he was able to take her form or vision and her body was NOT on the island.
    2. They said MIB trying to get Richard to kill Jacob was his first attempt at the loophole. Maybe now we know that Jacob had been looking for a replacement since then.
    3. Richard being asked to be Jacob’s helper was the beginning of the Others (as Jacob obviously brought more people to the island)
    4. They compared what Jacob said to Ricahrd and What Jack said to Kate (along the lines of it did not matter what they did or who they were off the island, they all get a fresh start on the island) as being the same…[/quote]
    *******************************************

    Also that Kate is definitely not a candidate. I was wondering this before because we did not see her name on the cave wall. I asked about her being a candidate since fLocke told Claire the Kate wasn’t a candidate but some one (PJ or Hammer, forget which one) responded to me that fLocke is a known liar so Kate could very well be a candidate but last night in the information bar when they listed the candidates, they did not list Kate.

    Looks like Kate’s role will be “bait” for fLocke to use against Sawyer and Jack.[/quote]

    Kate’s name (Austen) WAS in the Lighthouse though and wasn’t crossed out. Then again so was Sayid (Jarrah) and it wasn’t crossed out either. Interesting.

  287. cal777flyer says:

    [quote comment="373846"][quote comment="373824"][/quote]

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    post# 87,102(DBM),193,246,256(wally p)mentioned above. You should read all the previous posts. Great theories and interesting thoughts.
    [/quote]

    I have read those posts and I am sorry for rehashing previous posts but I thought my take with the timelines was slightly different and I wanted to explain. Anyways, I completely agree about Locke and the beginning of this show.

    I do not believe Jacob/MIB represent good vs. evil. I think they are two dudes who have been on the island for a long LONG time and both have different takes on what ‘it ends once’ means. Although they have different ideas, I do not think that either is completely right. From our perspective we have been baited into believing that they are all knowing in this game, but I think that will prove to be false in the end. Just like for the longest time we were baited into believing that Richard knew a lot more than he did.

  288. Belle says:

    [quote comment="373848"][quote comment="373846"][quote comment="373824"][/quote]

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    post# 87,102(DBM),193,246,256(wally p)mentioned above. You should read all the previous posts. Great theories and interesting thoughts.
    [/quote]

    I have read those posts and I am sorry for rehashing previous posts but I thought my take with the timelines was slightly different and I wanted to explain. Anyways, I completely agree about Locke and the beginning of this show.

    I do not believe Jacob/MIB represent good vs. evil. I think they are two dudes who have been on the island for a long LONG time and both have different takes on what ‘it ends once’ means. Although they have different ideas, I do not think that either is completely right. From our perspective we have been baited into believing that they are all knowing in this game, but I think that will prove to be false in the end. Just like for the longest time we were baited into believing that Richard knew a lot more than he did.[/quote]

    Sorry, I thought you missed them. Your time lines theory is quite interesting. What do you think is the purpose of the island? To reconcile the time lines or is there something else going on besides that? Our LOSTies have grown for the better character wise.

    I agree about Jacob and MIB. Neither one is absolutely good or bad; or all knowing as we’ve seen. I was taken aback seeing Richard terrified and not knowing what to do. It was so out of character from what we’ve seen. I feel we may be in for a twist.

  289. cal777flyer says:

    [quote comment="373849"][quote comment="373848"][quote comment="373846"][quote comment="373824"][/quote]

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    Sorry, I thought you missed them. Your time lines theory is quite interesting. What do you think is the purpose of the island? To reconcile the time lines or is there something else going on besides that? Our LOSTies have grown for the better character wise.
    [/quote]

    **********************************************************

    Is there any way to upload a file (pdf, png, jpg, etc.) to this blog? I think if I can draw it out then it might make more sense.

    Anyways, I think the island is like a ‘cork’ on a bottle just like Jacob was explaining. Let me expand a bit…

    A long time ago, before the island, I think Jacob and MIB were related somehow (brothers, or even possibly just good friends) and something catastrophic occurred that they witnessed. After this event (possibly some sort of large scale electro-magnetic event) time started to splinter and things got chaotic. These numerous, splintered timelines were then contained in some way to prevent an even larger scale problem that could destroy the universe or life as we know it. Whatever it may be that contains this whole thing is prevented from escaping and creating the above mentioned destruction by the ISLAND (hence the island is like a cork on a bottle containing the liquid inside). Now, Jacob and MIB might have even worked together for a long time to try and fix this, but eventually when nothing seemed to work they both found themselves at odds with how this all ends and gets fixed. Both are convinced that they are right and the other is wrong, but what if neither is right? Maybe the only thing that is certain in this ‘game’ is that it only ends ‘once’. I think all of the events we are seeing on this show (flashbacks, island time, flash sideways, etc.) are all happening at the same time. That is why some characters (Locke, Desmond, and possibly others soon as well) are able to remember things in a fashion that seems out of order to us. Maybe these characters are slowly waking up and realizing what is going on. Somehow I believe that in the end their connections to each other will help them put the puzzle together and figure out what they need to do.

  290. cal777flyer says:

    [quote comment="373850"][quote comment="373849"][quote comment="373848"][quote comment="373846"][quote comment="373824"][/quote]

    Sorry, I thought you missed them. Your time lines theory is quite interesting. What do you think is the purpose of the island? To reconcile the time lines or is there something else going on besides that? Our LOSTies have grown for the better character wise.
    [/quote]
    [/quote]

    Sorry, bad quote job.. here it is again…

    Is there any way to upload a file (pdf, png, jpg, etc.) to this blog? I think if I can draw it out then it might make more sense.

    Anyways, I think the island is like a ‘cork’ on a bottle just like Jacob was explaining. Let me expand a bit…

    A long time ago, before the island, I think Jacob and MIB were related somehow (brothers, or even possibly just good friends) and something catastrophic occurred that they witnessed. After this event (possibly some sort of large scale electro-magnetic event) time started to splinter and things got chaotic. These numerous, splintered timelines were then contained in some way to prevent an even larger scale problem that could destroy the universe or life as we know it. Whatever it may be that contains this whole thing is prevented from escaping and creating the above mentioned destruction by the ISLAND (hence the island is like a cork on a bottle containing the liquid inside). Now, Jacob and MIB might have even worked together for a long time to try and fix this, but eventually when nothing seemed to work they both found themselves at odds with how this all ends and gets fixed. Both are convinced that they are right and the other is wrong, but what if neither is right? Maybe the only thing that is certain in this ‘game’ is that it only ends ‘once’. I think all of the events we are seeing on this show (flashbacks, island time, flash sideways, etc.) are all happening at the same time. That is why some characters (Locke, Desmond, and possibly others soon as well) are able to remember things in a fashion that seems out of order to us. Maybe these characters are slowly waking up and realizing what is going on. Somehow I believe that in the end their connections to each other will help them put the puzzle together and figure out what they need to do.[/quote]

  291. cal777flyer says:

    sorry, screwed that up… but I think you get it..

  292. aonghus fallon says:

    I wonder if Flocke will only be allowed leave by the island once he has found somebody willing to take his place as acting head of the Jacobites?
    It’s one of the ‘rules’. The attempts to reach the plane (which is unflyable) are really a series of tests, designed to establish who has the right attitude – basically somebody who doesn’t slavishly obey the rules, but still has a sense of vocation. Sending Sawyer off to Whidmore was a test; so was the suggestion the group split up and rendez-vous later. Jack was the only one who came back and that was when Flocke realised he’d finally got his candidate.
    Sawyer was a definite possibility, but the fact he’s a policeman in the sideways world and his time as a security officer on the Dharma intiative show he isn’t quite the rebel we take him to be. Jack started out from a different direction – a doctor – but has finally started to find his inner rebel.

  293. wally goodspeed says:

    alright man… lets get that Candidate blog up!

  294. Lind says:

    [quote comment="373863"]alright man… lets get that Candidate blog up![/quote]

    Yeah for real. It was up super early last week…. and with so few episodes left we want to get our blog on!!

  295. Miss lost says:

    [quote comment="373864"][quote comment="373863"]alright man… lets get that Candidate blog up![/quote]

    Yeah for real. It was up super early last week…. and with so few episodes left we want to get our blog on!![/quote]
    *************
    wish this was like Facebook and I could just hit “LIKE” :)
    Excited for the new expisode tonight!

  296. bill says:

    everyone is focusing on locke but its sawyer how is the mib looking to leave while jack is the new jacob looking to stay. While kate plays the mother role beacuse she has loved them both but differently.

    The other thing is the blanket mother was making the white and blue one has appeared in a previous episode i thought when aaron was born but he was wraped in black.

    And where is walt in all this how is he and michael brought to the hospital since everyone is showing up and in alternate life claire has not giving birth to aaron does aaron being born have something to do with all this. Does walt arrive then?

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