What They Died For

Lost Season 6 - What they died for

After last week’s ‘break’ episode, which I personally enjoyed, I am very much looking forward to getting back to our Losties’ in action.

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Locke devises a new strategy; Jack’s group searches for Desmond.

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355 Responses to What They Died For

  1. Kathy P says:

    First Yeah. Can’t wait for tonight!!!!!

  2. Guttahman says:

    Cant wait for tonight….3 1/2 hours left folks!!

  3. Mateo says:

    LOST: What were the shows best & worst moments?:
    http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/05/17/lost-best-worst-moments/#comments

    Cant wait for tonight!!

  4. Miss lost says:

    Excited for tonight. I am sorry there are a few people who are disappointed with the direction of the show or last weeks episode….as true to Lost form, I truly think they are going to bring it and we are going to understand the big picture…don’t get me wrong, they are NOT going to answer every and all question, but when it is all over I think most of us are going to go~”oh I get it!”
    Can’t wait for tonight!

  5. Brer says:

    Ive put last week behind me and am ready for the 2nd to last episode.

    This season has had a lot of failures for me but I hold some faith that they can pull it off

  6. rhymes with huck says:

    Can someone please explain last weeks episode regarding the “adam and eve” reference? why adam and eve? it was a mother and son that died.

  7. Brer says:

    [quote comment="374617"]Can someone please explain last weeks episode regarding the “adam and eve” reference? why adam and eve? it was a mother and son that died.[/quote]

    In season one they find the bodies not knowing whose they were and dubbed them their own adam and eve. This has upset a lot of people considering jack said the bodies appeared to be about 50 years old and we know it to be closer to a thousand.

  8. LostLove says:

    Tonight’s ep really has to move it along as far as the storyline. last week’s whole ep was a backstory that did nothing for our losties as far as getting this thing resolved. Was surprised that last week’s ep wasn’t “as told by Richard to the Losties” so we know as much as they do, and vice versa. Anyway, should be/has to be a good one!!

  9. LostGrrl says:

    [quote comment="374619"][quote comment="374617"]Can someone please explain last weeks episode regarding the “adam and eve” reference? why adam and eve? it was a mother and son that died.[/quote]

    In season one they find the bodies not knowing whose they were and dubbed them their own adam and eve. This has upset a lot of people considering jack said the bodies appeared to be about 50 years old and we know it to be closer to a thousand.[/quote]

    I think people were upset because they EXPECTED it to be two lovers (Bernard/Rose? Des/Penny? etc.) Because it was something unexpected, it was jarring. While I agree that the placement of the episode, so near the end, might not have been optimal, it was a backstory we needed to see. Let’s move forward and anticipate tonight!!

  10. Jake328 says:

    Last Tuesday to look forward to watching Lost with my daughter.

  11. Brer says:

    [quote comment="374621"][quote comment="374619"][quote comment="374617"]Can someone please explain last weeks episode regarding the “adam and eve” reference? why adam and eve? it was a mother and son that died.[/quote]

    In season one they find the bodies not knowing whose they were and dubbed them their own adam and eve. This has upset a lot of people considering jack said the bodies appeared to be about 50 years old and we know it to be closer to a thousand.[/quote]

    I think people were upset because they EXPECTED it to be two lovers (Bernard/Rose? Des/Penny? etc.) Because it was something unexpected, it was jarring. While I agree that the placement of the episode, so near the end, might not have been optimal, it was a backstory we needed to see. Let’s move forward and anticipate tonight!![/quote]

    I thought it was clever, actually the best part of that episode but I hadnt remembered the thing about the age of the bodies. Ready for tonight, I hope and think we will be surprised in true lost fashion

  12. Bobola says:

    YEAH!
    I’m the 12th to post…
    Oh God I’ve always wanted to be 12th!!!!
    LOL

  13. James says:

    The smoke monster was shopping at the Grove mall in L.A. I guess he’s not worried about the end.

    http://www.tmz.com/2010/05/18/lost-titus-welliver-man-in-black-series-finale-video/

  14. josh says:

    So excited for tonight. Don’t believe mib is good or bad, just a different way of looking at and interpreting life. Hope they have a spin off show to keep all the fun going.

  15. wingman says:

    [quote comment="374619"][quote comment="374617"]Can someone please explain last weeks episode regarding the “adam and eve” reference? why adam and eve? it was a mother and son that died.[/quote]

    In season one they find the bodies not knowing whose they were and dubbed them their own adam and eve. This has upset a lot of people considering jack said the bodies appeared to be about 50 years old and we know it to be closer to a thousand.[/quote]
    =======================

    I wouldn’t have cared if Adam and Eve were Walt’s Dawg and Frogurt…Aslong as it made sense…What was revealed was clearly a retcon, no other way to describe it…With that said, it was far more than that I objected to, but with time comes calming and I pray 2nite’s episode can somehow heal my fractured faith from last week…Being a true LOST fan I’m sure it will do some healing…

  16. LostLove says:

    [quote comment="374626"]So excited for tonight. Don’t believe mib is good or bad, just a different way of looking at and interpreting life. Hope they have a spin off show to keep all the fun going.[/quote]

    Exactly, killing people should be looked at being a good thing and interpreted as such!! LOL

  17. DPAL says:

    Ok I posted once on her before. So here is something to think about. Flocke told Jack straight up that he was the christian that Jack saw. And many of us, including myself, believe he was lying because Jack saw Christian appear in the Hospital when he got off the island and Flocke can’t leave the island. But, after watching the episode where jack saw him it was interesting to see that right before he saw him the smoke alarm went off. I think that is too big of a coincidence to disregard. If it was the smoke monster than who knows why he wants to leave so bad. Let me know what you think

  18. Matarua says:

    [quote comment="374619"][quote comment="374617"]Can someone please explain last weeks episode regarding the “adam and eve” reference? why adam and eve? it was a mother and son that died.[/quote]

    In season one they find the bodies not knowing whose they were and dubbed them their own adam and eve. This has upset a lot of people considering jack said the bodies appeared to be about 50 years old and we know it to be closer to a thousand.[/quote]

    CC & DL said that Jack was not a forensic anthropologist and that the clothes could have been made with thread that was special, lasted almost forever… I think that a characters thoughts should not be taken as True Myth in the show, fair enough I think :) Thoughts?

  19. Matarua says:

    [quote comment="374629"]Ok I posted once on her before. So here is something to think about. Flocke told Jack straight up that he was the christian that Jack saw. And many of us, including myself, believe he was lying because Jack saw Christian appear in the Hospital when he got off the island and Flocke can’t leave the island. But, after watching the episode where jack saw him it was interesting to see that right before he saw him the smoke alarm went off. I think that is too big of a coincidence to disregard. If it was the smoke monster than who knows why he wants to leave so bad. Let me know what you think[/quote]

    Jacob would go global all the time, that must of been annoying to MIB/Smokey.

  20. Belle says:

    [quote comment="374630"][quote comment="374619"][quote comment="374617"]Can someone please explain last weeks episode regarding the “adam and eve” reference? why adam and eve? it was a mother and son that died.[/quote]

    In season one they find the bodies not knowing whose they were and dubbed them their own adam and eve. This has upset a lot of people considering jack said the bodies appeared to be about 50 years old and we know it to be closer to a thousand.[/quote]

    CC & DL said that Jack was not a forensic anthropologist and that the clothes could have been made with thread that was special, lasted almost forever… I think that a characters thoughts should not be taken as True Myth in the show, fair enough I think :) Thoughts?[/quote]

    I agree completely. Jack mentioned the amount of time it would take for clothes to deteriorate like that and it would take at least 40 or 50 years. The bodies were in the cave and protected somewhat from the elements. Plus as Matarua posted if certain people lived for a VERY long time why not their clothes? jk

    Jack is a spinal surgeon and this isn’t CSI. Dr. McCoy from Star Trek would have said “Damn it I’m a doctor not a forensic scientist.” I’m glad the writers didn’t reveal too much back then and I’m glad it was totally unexpected. Personally I hate
    predictability (boring!)and like surprises. Chalk it up as just another one of our theories being wrong. No big deal.

  21. Belle says:

    [quote comment="374621"][quote comment="374619"][quote comment="374617"][/quote]

    [/quote]

    I think people were upset because they EXPECTED it to be two lovers (Bernard/Rose? Des/Penny? etc.) Because it was something unexpected, it was jarring. While I agree that the placement of the episode, so near the end, might not have been optimal, it was a backstory we needed to see. Let’s move forward and anticipate tonight!![/quote]

    Although it seemed so out of place the timing may be very relevant. I’m glad they showed it.

    I loved last weeks episode. Is it possible that the reason some people didn’t like the back story of Jacob and MIB is because some of the mystery was taken away? Was it disappointing to find out they were human? I felt a little bummed on Richard’s back story even though I wanted to know more about him. I think I liked the mystery of wondering better although I still loved the episode.

  22. josh says:

    Lostlove……. ‘the others’ were people that jacob brought to the island and they killed people and kidnaped people. And ‘the others’ were brought to the island becouse it was a part of jacobs plan, spoken through richard. So why are they and jacob not considered bad or evil? The mib kills people well so does jacob, just not indirectly. Mib isn’t bad or good. Nobody is. There is no evil, just a made up word. Every war has 2 sides and 2 stories.

  23. rowjimmy says:

    Christian=Jacob I’m still holding out on that theory until I see his dead body

  24. Belle says:

    The light isn’t really new. We saw the same yellow light when the Frozen Donkey Wheel was turned before. MIB looked for the light source for 30 years. Why couldn’t he find it? I think it’s the same reason Jacob’s cabin was elusive. The different times Locke was there it was MIB deceiving him into believing he was talking to Jacob and manipulating him to achieve his loophole.

    We know about the pockets of electromagnetism. Across the Sea took place in ancient times. Mother probably explained it the best she knew how or wanted too. She withheld lots of information from the boys. She kept them so much in the dark it was pathetic. Even MIB only knew that metal acted strange on the island. I found it interesting that MIB said that the people he lived with were very smart and wanted to know how things worked. To me, they seemed a little too smart like Locke did after his encounter(s) with Smokey. He often said the island told him things. Was the “island” also telling MIB and his people things too? I found this a very intriguing episode.

  25. chorizo charley says:

    [quote comment="374617"]
    … it was a mother and son that died.
    [/quote]
    What show did you watch?

    MiB was buried with The Woman that MURDERED his mother. The woman that KIDNAPPED him and raises him under false pretenses for her own FRAUDulent purposes.

    So Adam/Eve were MURDER VICTIM/MURDERESS, not son/mom.

  26. Belle says:

    [quote comment="374634"]Lostlove……. ‘the others’ were people that jacob brought to the island and they killed people and kidnaped people. And ‘the others’ were brought to the island becouse it was a part of jacobs plan, spoken through richard. So why are they and jacob not considered bad or evil? The mib kills people well so does jacob, just not indirectly. Mib isn’t bad or good. Nobody is. There is no evil, just a made up word. Every war has 2 sides and 2 stories.[/quote]

    You’re right josh. That’s one of the reasons I feel Across the Sea was shown last week. It was a twist. We saw how evil Flocke has been acting. At the end of the previous episode they said 2 sides to the story. We got that last week. Now we feel sorry for both brothers because of what Mother did. Since we know they were human we know they had the potential for good and evil. It’s not so black and white now.

    I still think a lot of things Ben did, he did on his own and claimed it was what Jacob wanted. I think MIB was also deceiving Ben or Richard into believing they were doing Jacob’s will. Lastly, as Protector of the island, I think Jacob may have allowed things for a time hoping people would do the right thing.

  27. Belle says:

    [quote comment="374637"][quote comment="374617"]
    … it was a mother and son that died.
    [/quote]
    What show did you watch?

    MiB was buried with The Woman that MURDERED his mother. The woman that KIDNAPPED him and raises him under false pretenses for her own FRAUDulent purposes.

    So Adam/Eve were MURDER VICTIM/MURDERESS, not son/mom.[/quote]

    Agree. Mother was EVIL.

    This shows how wrong Locke was in thinking they were a loving couple and “our very own Adam and Eve”.

  28. Ben says:

    Hey Jack, How does that Super Bran taste?

  29. rowjimmy says:

    [quote comment="374635"]Christian=Jacob I’m still holding out on that theory until I see his dead body[/quote]
    Damn they had me scared for a little while.There better be a good reason why Jin&Sun died and Kate is still alive.

  30. lostcols says:

    My tv went out for a minute. What happened when Widmore and Ben were just talking. Widmore said I put the C-4 on the plane and then my tv went out until Ben and locke were talking,

  31. Leslie says:

    I just love Miles “I lived in these houses 30 years before you did…in other words, last week. I am going to miss this show so much!!!!!

  32. Annemoonstar says:

    Did Sawyer just call him “flocke”?????!

  33. LOST in Sri Lanka says:

    lets hope Jacob tells everything before the fire goes out or the episode finishes..

    Ben is an ASS !

  34. 4 8 15 16 23 42 says:

    The reason people did not like last week’s episode (including myself) is because this was the kind of episode we wanted!

  35. rowjimmy says:

    [quote comment="374645"]lets hope Jacob tells everything before the fire goes out or the episode finishes..

    THROW ANOTHER LOG ON THE FIRE!!!

  36. Joseph says:

    Sorry but don’t hAve anyone to ask… Where is Claire ?

  37. Larla says:

    Jack stiching up Kate just like she stiched him up in the pilot…

  38. Mr. $tuart says:

    Dang, Zoey was looking good with those glasses off. I didn’t see that coming.

  39. Amber says:

    we knew one of the were going to have to take Jacobs place but it was really sad. Even though Jack wanted it I was still sad because now he is stuck there….I hope Kate stays with him. Actually everyone can stay and hang out with all the ghosts of there friends and be a big happy lost family

  40. Lola says:

    i’m still calling jack kills locke on the operating table.

  41. wally p says:

    Jacob said that he was responsible for the smokey and whatnot, and that the smoke monster used to be his brother and whatever, but I still say he was misinformed. Who killed him then?

  42. Ben says:

    Where has Al Trautwig been?

  43. DocH says:

    few answers – more questions!

    like that Ben gets a reverse beating by Desmond after Ben shot Des “in the groceries”.

    will Ben ultimately be good or bad? love the line “his daughter doesn’t get to live”

    why did fLocke not sink the outrigger with Widmore’s gear?

    how did Zoe see all the way (miles) to the beach when fLocke arrived just seconds after she left the barracks?

    is Richard dead or just discarded (bruised)?

    will the other candidates just let Jack take the role of island protector?

    is Jacob still as clueless as ever?

    Des and Kate are headed to the concert with Charlotte, Miles (Faraday?)… what is going to happen at the concert?

    where are Hugo and Sayid headed?

    why did Hurley get involved, and bribe Ana Lucia? (good to see she is still corrupt)

    what role will the return of Chrisitan’s coffin by Oceanic play?

    will Claire in LA become a factor in the outcome?

    was Libby a factor in getting Hurley involved in the release of Sayid, Des and Kate?

    what are Miles and Sawyer going to do when they learn their prisoners escaped on the way to County Jail?

    is the concert where everyone from the island is reunited in LA?

    does Eloise H. have a role in all of the oddness in LA?

    what of Widmore’s employment of Desmond in all of the LA oddness?

  44. Belle says:

    [quote comment="374646"]The reason people did not like last week’s episode (including myself) is because this was the kind of episode we wanted![/quote]

    Awesome episode! I for one loved last week’s episode which made tonight’s show much more meaningful. If Jacob had just explained what happened briefly it wouldn’t have had the same impact. I love Jacob even though he’s flawed. I never LOST faith in D&C.

  45. DocH says:

    [quote comment="374648"]
    Where is Claire?
    [/quote]
    Last time seen she was being rescued on Hydra by Locke, outside the sub. (I think)

    Question now… did he leave her there alive, or kill her? She was not on the canoe when he returned to the big island. I guess he could have dropped her off somewhere else on the big island before paddling to the dock. She may be on a secret mission for him on the big island.

    sidebar: “V” is good tonight too. It lives for another season. Saw earlier that “Heroes” and “Flashforward” are cancelled. (Sad that) :(

  46. rowjimmy says:

    [quote comment="374655"]few answers – more questions!

    like that Ben gets a reverse beating by Desmond after Ben shot Des “in the groceries”.

    will Ben ultimately be good or bad? love the line “his daughter doesn’t get to live”

    why did fLocke not sink the outrigger with Widmore’s gear?

    how did Zoe see all the way (miles) to the beach when fLocke arrived just seconds after she left the barracks?

    is Richard dead or just discarded (bruised)?

    will the other candidates just let Jack take the role of island protector?

    is Jacob still as clueless as ever?

    Des and Kate are headed to the concert with Charlotte, Miles (Faraday?)… what is going to happen at the concert?

    where are Hugo and Sayid headed?

    why did Hurley get involved, and bribe Ana Lucia? (good to see she is still corrupt)

    what role will the return of Chrisitan’s coffin by Oceanic play?

    will Claire in LA become a factor in the outcome?

    was Libby a factor in getting Hurley involved in the release of Sayid, Des and Kate?

    what are Miles and Sawyer going to do when they learn their prisoners escaped on the way to County Jail?

    is the concert where everyone from the island is reunited in LA?

    does Eloise H. have a role in all of the oddness in LA?

    what of Widmore’s employment of Desmond in all of the LA oddness?[/quote]
    Ben will end up helping Jack to kill Flocke.Once again Flocke lied to him about having the Island all to himself.Ben will redeem himself in the end, he always has a plan.He never ceases to amaze?
    Christian is still MIA Desmond made the call to Jack.The window is still cracked open on Christian=Jacob
    Richard is still alive? Smokie looked like he just threw him aside.
    Hugo seems to have total recall in FSW, he recognized Ana Lucia not knowing she was the cop being bribed.

  47. sector7 says:

    Classic Ben, “Well, you found me! Can I pour you a glass of lemonade?” Ben is getting his confidence back. Who’s playing who now?

    Hard to see death coming on this show. Bye bye Richard, Zoe and Charles.

    What’s up with that stare Sawyer gave at the river bank?

  48. LostGrrl says:

    [quote comment="374655"]what role will the return of Chrisitan’s coffin by Oceanic play?
    [/quote]

    None. Since it was a lie by Desmond. The question is what does the lie do to get Jack together with the others?

  49. Mr. $tuart says:

    Arst goes out like a punk, FINE. Ilana goes out like a punk, FINE. Dude who got shot by the flaming arrow, FINE. Dogen, FINE. Sayid, Richard Alpert and Charles Widmore going out like punks, not cool. Some characters deserve better. It’s not right. One of the reasons LOST has lost half it’s audience even though it’s on right after the number one show on tv.

  50. rowjimmy says:

    For what its worth,does anyone out there know latin? Jacobs incantation is audible when he’s preparing the cup.

  51. LostGrrl says:

    Loved loved this episode. SO many more answers than questions. Finally! (Sorry to disagree with you DocH!) When Jacob told the Final Four that he was going to tell them everything, and then they cut to commercial, I said to hubby that they better not come back from commercial AFTER the fireside chat had taken place, with Hurley saying something like, “That was interesting.”

    But they didn’t. Loved that Jacob finally seemed human. Loved that we got more about the writing on the cave. Loved that Jacob finally came out and said their lives are better now than they would have been “out there.”

    BUT, even though Jack stepped up and drank from Jacob’s water/wine concoction, I STILL got the feeling he’s not REALLY the one who will take over. After Jack volunteered and Hurley said, “I’m glad it wasn’t me” I thought that somehow it WOULD be Hurley in the end. Jack just seems so obvious.

    I mean… how exactly is Jack supposed to prevent Locke from returning to the light cave? I’m thinking back to the “live together, die alone” theory. I think his friends will be crucial in helping him defeat Locke. We shall see!!!

  52. Jason says:

    Richard is dead? I don’t buy it, unless Jacob finally going away for good relates to Richard not making it. I mean, isn’t it a fact that he can’t die? He just got tossed aside, that’s all.

  53. Heidi says:

    Not to be dumb… but once they drink the water that Jacob and his mom ‘blessed’ or chanted or whatever, does that make them immortal? Or what are/is Jacob and his crazy mother. And now Jack

  54. LostGrrl says:

    [quote comment="374662"]Arst goes out like a punk, FINE. Ilana goes out like a punk, FINE. Dude who got shot by the flaming arrow, FINE. Dogen, FINE. Sayid, Richard Alpert and Charles Widmore going out like punks, not cool. Some characters deserve better. It’s not right.[/quote]

    #1 – I don’t think Richard is dead. He’s been too important all this time. And did you notice that Smokey attacked him by his throat, just as Locke did to him on the beach.

    #2 – While I didn’t see Widmore’s death coming, Ben’s line afterwards “HE doesn’t get save his daughter” was quintessential Ben!! Finally Ben gets the last word on Widmore.

    Having said that, I think it’s a bad turn of events for the good guys. Widmore WAS one of the good guys after all. And I’m hoping Ben’s return to the dark side is short lived. He seemed to be aiming for redemption when he joined with Ilana’s side.

    Not sure what caused this turn of events that made Ben choose Locke this time? Seemed like after he saw Widmore had returned to the island, he reverted back to past behavior.

  55. Belle says:

    [quote comment="374660"]Classic Ben, “Well, you found me! Can I pour you a glass of lemonade?” Ben is getting his confidence back. Who’s playing who now?

    Hard to see death coming on this show. Bye bye Richard, Zoe and Charles.

    What’s up with that stare Sawyer gave at the river bank?[/quote]

    Ben… he’s back! I hope Ben is now the one deceiving Flocke. At first I thought he had a plan and Widmore wasn’t hiding in the secret room any longer and it was a trap. I was shocked when the door opened and there they were. I didn’t like Zoe but I didn’t want to see that happen. I’m wondering if Widmore is really dead. Do the rules still apply between Ben and Charles or did that end when Alex was killed? We didn’t see him die. Was he wearing a vest? A possible scheme to convince Flocke that Ben is on his side.

    Hopefully Richard isn’t dead either. Not much was shown which is unusual for a major character.

  56. LostGrrl says:

    [quote comment="374665"]Richard is dead? I don’t buy it, unless Jacob finally going away for good relates to Richard not making it. I mean, isn’t it a fact that he can’t die? He just got tossed aside, that’s all.[/quote]

    It’s not that he can’t die, but that he can’t kill himself. (I don’t think he’s dead either.)

  57. Jason says:

    [quote comment="374669"][quote comment="374665"]Richard is dead? I don’t buy it, unless Jacob finally going away for good relates to Richard not making it. I mean, isn’t it a fact that he can’t die? He just got tossed aside, that’s all.[/quote]

    It’s not that he can’t die, but that he can’t kill himself. (I don’t think he’s dead either.)[/quote]
    Thanks for the clarification.

  58. Amber says:

    I also got the feeling that Jack becoming the candidate was “to easy” or to “obviouse” but it is the end and I think all his changing that he has been doing in the season is for this reason so we might have just have to take what they are giving us. But there still might be some kind of twist.

  59. Belle says:

    [quote comment="374658"][quote comment="374648"]
    Where is Claire?
    [/quote]
    Last time seen she was being rescued on Hydra by Locke, outside the sub. (I think)

    Question now… did he leave her there alive, or kill her? She was not on the canoe when he returned to the big island. I guess he could have dropped her off somewhere else on the big island before paddling to the dock. She may be on a secret mission for him on the big island.

    sidebar: “V” is good tonight too. It lives for another season. Saw earlier that “Heroes” and “Flashforward” are cancelled. (Sad that)
    :([/quote]

    Flocke left her at the dock to go finish what he started. I’m assuming she’s alive.

    Yikes, I thought Desmond was back for round two with Locke. Ben’s smack down was hilarious! Just knew that had to be an eye opener. It’s been awhile since he’s been pummeled. I liked the reunion at the jail and the breakout was great. I was wondering who was going to be driving but didn’t expect to see Anna Lucia or Hurley.

    It’ll be interesting to see who all shows up at that concert.

  60. Amber says:

    We still all need to take bets on who jacks ex wife is because we will surely be finding that out on sunday. Im going with juliet

  61. DocH says:

    Like a veal cutlet, Ben is almost always at his best – once he has been tenderized. Like in captivity at the Swan, at Desmonds’ yacht, clubbed by Sun on Hydra, in the school parking lot, etc…. He is a TIMEX – takes a lickin’ and keeps on lyin’ (tickin’)

  62. Belle says:

    [quote comment="374671"]I also got the feeling that Jack becoming the candidate was “to easy” or to “obviouse” but it is the end and I think all his changing that he has been doing in the season is for this reason so we might have just have to take what they are giving us. But there still might be some kind of twist.[/quote]

    It looks like it’s a done deal but you never know with LOST. Jacob told Jack in private where the light source is. He did the ritual chant and gave him water instead of wine since MIB broke the bottle. I keep thinking about the island being under water though. Will the light still need protecting or will it all end?

    So IF Ben does Flocke’s killing for him, then I guess it’s lights out OR we will see a royal con by Ben that would make even Sawyer proud. I have faith that Ben is smart enough not to believe Flocke’s promises/lies. Then again you never know. Miles just had to bring up the subject of Alex. Very bad timing.

  63. In The End says:

    [quote comment="374675"][quote comment="374671"]I also got the feeling that Jack becoming the candidate was “to easy” or to “obviouse” but it is the end and I think all his changing that he has been doing in the season is for this reason so we might have just have to take what they are giving us. But there still might be some kind of twist.[/quote]

    It looks like it’s a done deal but you never know with LOST. Jacob told Jack in private where the light source is. He did the ritual chant and gave him water instead of wine since MIB broke the bottle. I keep thinking about the island being under water though. Will the light still need protecting or will it all end?

    So IF Ben does Flocke’s killing for him, then I guess it’s lights out OR we will see a royal con by Ben that would make even Sawyer proud. I have faith that Ben is smart enough not to believe Flocke’s promises/lies. Then again you never know. Miles just had to bring up the subject of Alex. Very bad timing.[/quote]

    Then again Jack could have the shortest reign atop the island protector corps. Jacob made a good point as to how their lives stank before they got to the island why leave now?

    That Terry O’Quinn guy is ridiculous. Forget the emmy get him a golden globe and an oscar.

    Great eppy I want MORE!!!

  64. In The End says:

    [quote comment="374673"]We still all need to take bets on who jacks ex wife is because we will surely be finding that out on sunday. Im going with juliet[/quote]

    Think shocking. Hopefully its an adam and eve revelation as in NO IDEA it coulda been her.

  65. In The End says:

    Quote of the Night:

    “I though that guy had a god-complex before…”

    -Ford

  66. JCSmalls says:

    The concert they are going to is the wedding/party that Charley was hired to play at Whitmore’s house right? I think that they will all be back together at the wedding/party and that end will coincide with the ending on the Island. I think Claire saved Des and I think Hurley will some how end up being the one to protect the Island. One last note, could Jack and Ben be the 2 new Jacob & Man in Black?

  67. Belle says:

    [quote comment="374674"]Like a veal cutlet, Ben is almost always at his best – once he has been tenderized. Like in captivity at the Swan, at Desmonds’ yacht, clubbed by Sun on Hydra, in the school parking lot, etc…. He is a TIMEX – takes a lickin’ and keeps on lyin’ (tickin’)[/quote]

    Hee Hee. That’s SO funny DocH. You made my night. :)

    To continue the list: Pummeled and tenderized by Jack after Ben tricked him into thinking Mr. Friendly & Co. shot Jin, Sayid and Bernard at the beach, Sawyer after he shot Charlotte with Karl’s gun and clobbered a few times by Danielle. Ben, bloodied and bruised, would then taunt people inviting further pounding.

  68. Belle says:

    [quote comment="374679"]The concert they are going to is the wedding/party that Charley was hired to play at Whitmore’s house right? I think that they will all be back together at the wedding/party and that end will coincide with the ending on the Island. I think Claire saved Des and I think Hurley will some how end up being the one to protect the Island. One last note, could Jack and Ben be the 2 new Jacob & Man in Black?[/quote]

    I was thinking Claire, Miles or Richard? Hurley was glad it wasn’t him which could mean he’s staying in the end.

    It was nice seeing Danielle. She looked great. Finally a decent outfit.

  69. G455 says:

    I also think jack was too quick and too obvious, just don’t think it’s him.. Thinking it will be sawyer for some reason? Also thought zoey didn’t have to die that way, but man what a nice rack :)….This show is about twists and i totally belive what they showed us isn’t how it will go down, and i do believe that concert will be key, that and the operation on locke!

  70. LizS says:

    “It only ends once”

    Island at the bottom of the sea

    How long do I have to do this job?
    As long as you can.

    dun dun duuuuuun!

  71. theLostBoy says:

    I have a funny feeling it will be Jack and *Sawyer* who are the new Jacob/MiB. But that doesn’t work out and Hurley ends up with the role.

  72. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="374660"]Classic Ben, “Well, you found me! Can I pour you a glass of lemonade?” Ben is getting his confidence back. Who’s playing who now?

    [/quote]
    The BIG problem I saw was Flocke told Ben he could have the island to himself when he’s leaves (to get Ben to kill people that the rules stop him from doing it himself). Then at the end of the episode he told Ben he was going to destroy the island.

    When are people (Claire, Ben) going to realize he’s a liar and won’t keep his word?

  73. Pterradon says:

    I like the simplicity that is being shown. Jack simply volunteers for the job. Richard and Widmore are simply dead. Kate’s name being scratched off doesn’t mean anything. The candidates were picked simply because they reminded Jacob of himself.

    Sometimes the discussion gets very complicated and deep into religion, mythology, etc. The simplest explanations are usually the best.

  74. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="374683"]“It only ends once”

    Island at the bottom of the sea

    How long do I have to do this job?
    As long as you can.

    dun dun duuuuuun![/quote]
    Yup, seems like the wound on Jack’s neck will be significant as to how he ‘remembers’ the OTL and maybe the battle the sinks the island.

  75. Rozee says:

    Ben has been true to character – he’s really good at playing the angles in a situation. He knew he couldn’t lie to Flocke, and so he switched plan and told him where to look for Widmore. He wanted him dead anyway!!! Ben is always going to look for the chance to stay alive, but in the end I do think he’s reformed and will be looking for his opportunity to kill FLocke – he does have a backpack full of C4 after all!!

  76. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="374677"][quote comment="374673"]We still all need to take bets on who jacks ex wife is because we will surely be finding that out on sunday. Im going with juliet[/quote]

    Think shocking. Hopefully its an adam and eve revelation as in NO IDEA it coulda been her.[/quote]
    IMO, Juliet…couldn’t be more obvious. Sawyer and Juliet still haven’t had the ‘go dutch for coffee’ scene.
    (Jack’s ex-wife Juliet meets cop Sawyer at the concert, which is quite similar to the TT in the 70’s when Sawyer was a ‘cop’ for DHARMA.)

  77. Rozee says:

    Review time
    Des is still left to carry out Whidmore’s plan.
    Richard(??), Miles, and Claire are wandering around the island.
    Jack=new Jacob. He can’t be killed by MIB
    Kate, Hurley, Sawyer there to help Jack and stgep in if he fails.
    Where are Rose and Bernard?? Most importantly, where is Vincent??
    Answer to – who is the boy in the woods? He is the ghost of Jacob?

  78. jeffle says:

    The boy in the woods is the younger Jacob, no?

  79. rowjimmy says:

    [quote comment="374692"]The boy in the woods is the younger Jacob, no?[/quote]
    Yes

  80. justguessing says:

    I dont get how some people are upset about the way people died on the show. Jacob said that he has brought who knows how many people to the island and they all died. I think it would be phony to have this time be any different.

    Also, Jacob told Kate that it was just a name in a cave w/ a chalk line through it and she could still take the job if she wanted it. I think there will be a twist at the end and Jack will not end up as the protector. If Jacob knows that MIB visits the cave and knows who hasnt been crossed out… maybe that was a trick to make MIB sorta disregard Kate which he kinda did.

  81. In The End says:

    [quote comment="374689"][quote comment="374677"][quote comment="374673"]We still all need to take bets on who jacks ex wife is because we will surely be finding that out on sunday. Im going with juliet[/quote]

    Think shocking. Hopefully its an adam and eve revelation as in NO IDEA it coulda been her.[/quote]
    IMO, Juliet…couldn’t be more obvious. Sawyer and Juliet still haven’t had the ‘go dutch for coffee’ scene.
    (Jack’s ex-wife Juliet meets cop Sawyer at the concert, which is quite similar to the TT in the 70’s when Sawyer was a ‘cop’ for DHARMA.)[/quote]

    I am still holding out for a shocking reveal…

    The reason I think this may be the case is that they have gone out of their way to throw David (Jacks son) at us. I am thinking SMOKEY is going to use this as a bargaining chip against Jack on Island time so that the “new” Jacob lets him go…

  82. uhhaboutthat says:

    If anyone is going to turn into a new MIB it will be Sawyer. All he has ever wanted was to get off the island and he hasn’t. He was the one who got left behind and lived with the others for those 3 years. The whole sub mess was driven by Sawyer needing to get off “this God-forsaken place”

  83. In The End says:

    [quote comment="374694"]I dont get how some people are upset about the way people died on the show. Jacob said that he has brought who knows how many people to the island and they all died. I think it would be phony to have this time be any different.

    Also, Jacob told Kate that it was just a name in a cave w/ a chalk line through it and she could still take the job if she wanted it. I think there will be a twist at the end and Jack will not end up as the protector. If Jacob knows that MIB visits the cave and knows who hasnt been crossed out… maybe that was a trick to make MIB sorta disregard Kate which he kinda did.[/quote]

    that would be quite disappointing, I mean Kate cannot act. Did you see that face she made while Jack was fixing her up? Thats basically all shes got. Its her “blue steel” look.

    imagine if the actress that plays Juliet would have been given Kates role. The possibilities would have been endless.

  84. LizS says:

    [quote comment="374696"]If anyone is going to turn into a new MIB it will be Sawyer. All he has ever wanted was to get off the island and he hasn’t. He was the one who got left behind and lived with the others for those 3 years. The whole sub mess was driven by Sawyer needing to get off “this God-forsaken place”[/quote]
    I dunno–I think Sawyer/Ford has changed so much. He LIKED being on the island when he was playing house with Juliet, and he became so much more than he was, a leader, its when she died that he kinda reverted to some of his old ways–but the look on his face when he was talking to Jack on the beach this ep, taking the blame for Jin and Sun’s death– He got fooled by MIB, and he’s a sharp guy–I don’t think he’ll let MIB fool him again.

    As someone above said, it’s live together, die alone time.

  85. ScottyQ says:

    [quote comment="374689"][quote comment="374677"][quote comment="374673"]We still all need to take bets on who jacks ex wife is because we will surely be finding that out on sunday. Im going with juliet[/quote]

    Think shocking. Hopefully its an adam and eve revelation as in NO IDEA it coulda been her.[/quote]
    IMO, Juliet…couldn’t be more obvious. Sawyer and Juliet still haven’t had the ‘go dutch for coffee’ scene.
    (Jack’s ex-wife Juliet meets cop Sawyer at the concert, which is quite similar to the TT in the 70’s when Sawyer was a ‘cop’ for DHARMA.)[/quote]

    Penny is Jack’s ex-wife. Des is taking Kate to the concert to set her up with Jack. Des will reunite with Penny at the concert as well. Hurley is taking Sawyer to a coffee house where they will meet up with Juliet…thoughts?

  86. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="374685"][quote comment="374660"]Classic Ben, “Well, you found me! Can I pour you a glass of lemonade?” Ben is getting his confidence back. Who’s playing who now?

    [/quote]
    The BIG problem I saw was Flocke told Ben he could have the island to himself when he’s leaves (to get Ben to kill people that the rules stop him from doing it himself). Then at the end of the episode he told Ben he was going to destroy the island.

    When are people (Claire, Ben) going to realize he’s a liar and won’t keep his word?[/quote]
    Exactly. Flocke gave up his plan too soon. Ben has no motivation to kill anyone else now.

  87. justguessing says:

    [quote comment="374697"][quote comment="374694"]I dont get how some people are upset about the way people died on the show. Jacob said that he has brought who knows how many people to the island and they all died. I think it would be phony to have this time be any different.

    Also, Jacob told Kate that it was just a name in a cave w/ a chalk line through it and she could still take the job if she wanted it. I think there will be a twist at the end and Jack will not end up as the protector. If Jacob knows that MIB visits the cave and knows who hasnt been crossed out… maybe that was a trick to make MIB sorta disregard Kate which he kinda did.[/quote]

    that would be quite disappointing, I mean Kate cannot act. Did you see that face she made while Jack was fixing her up? Thats basically all shes got. Its her “blue steel” look.

    imagine if the actress that plays Juliet would have been given Kates role. The possibilities would have been endless.[/quote]
    I agree I dont think Kate (or the woman who plays Kate) is a very good actor. However, that doesnt mean she will not be involved in some sort of twist at the end. I originally thought that she served as some sort of Helen of Troy role between Jack and Sawyer, but neither of them seems to care about her anymore. I thought she should have died a long time ago. The only reason I think she is still relevant is because I think that in one of the FSW’s… Aaron thinks she’s his mother and not Claire… sorta like Claudia and Fake Mom.

  88. justguessing says:

    [quote comment="374699"][quote comment="374689"][quote comment="374677"][quote comment="374673"]We still all need to take bets on who jacks ex wife is because we will surely be finding that out on sunday. Im going with juliet[/quote]

    Think shocking. Hopefully its an adam and eve revelation as in NO IDEA it coulda been her.[/quote]
    IMO, Juliet…couldn’t be more obvious. Sawyer and Juliet still haven’t had the ‘go dutch for coffee’ scene.
    (Jack’s ex-wife Juliet meets cop Sawyer at the concert, which is quite similar to the TT in the 70’s when Sawyer was a ‘cop’ for DHARMA.)[/quote]

    Penny is Jack’s ex-wife. Des is taking Kate to the concert to set her up with Jack. Des will reunite with Penny at the concert as well. Hurley is taking Sawyer to a coffee house where they will meet up with Juliet…thoughts?[/quote]
    Only that Hurley is taking Sayid somewhere and not Sawyer.

  89. LizS says:

    “See you in another life, brother.”

    How about that Desmond? His hand must be super bruised by now.

    I am so worried: island under the sea—and so hopeful: better lives, better choices in FSW–for the ending of the show.

    I actually love the idea of a big ensemble ending, with our fav’s at the ‘concert’, and maybe the Light is now carried between all of them–ok, going metaphysical with that one, but it kinda would have the grandeur/mystical/positive-but-not-perfect big-but-small spin I hope for as an ending.

    ; ) Liz

  90. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="374655"]few answers – more questions!

    like that Ben gets a reverse beating by Desmond after Ben shot Des “in the groceries”.

    will Ben ultimately be good or bad? love the line “his daughter doesn’t get to live”

    why did fLocke not sink the outrigger with Widmore’s gear?

    how did Zoe see all the way (miles) to the beach when fLocke arrived just seconds after she left the barracks?

    is Richard dead or just discarded (bruised)?

    will the other candidates just let Jack take the role of island protector?

    is Jacob still as clueless as ever?

    Des and Kate are headed to the concert with Charlotte, Miles (Faraday?)… what is going to happen at the concert?

    where are Hugo and Sayid headed?

    why did Hurley get involved, and bribe Ana Lucia? (good to see she is still corrupt)

    what role will the return of Chrisitan’s coffin by Oceanic play?

    will Claire in LA become a factor in the outcome?

    was Libby a factor in getting Hurley involved in the release of Sayid, Des and Kate?

    what are Miles and Sawyer going to do when they learn their prisoners escaped on the way to County Jail?

    is the concert where everyone from the island is reunited in LA?

    does Eloise H. have a role in all of the oddness in LA?

    what of Widmore’s employment of Desmond in all of the LA oddness?[/quote]
    Someone needs to let go…

  91. Liking Kate says:

    [quote comment="374701"][quote comment="374697"][quote comment="374694"]I dont get how some people are upset about the way people died on the show. Jacob said that he has brought who knows how many people to the island and they all died. I think it would be phony to have this time be any different.

    Also, Jacob told Kate that it was just a name in a cave w/ a chalk line through it and she could still take the job if she wanted it. I think there will be a twist at the end and Jack will not end up as the protector. If Jacob knows that MIB visits the cave and knows who hasnt been crossed out… maybe that was a trick to make MIB sorta disregard Kate which he kinda did.[/quote]

    that would be quite disappointing, I mean Kate cannot act. Did you see that face she made while Jack was fixing her up? Thats basically all shes got. Its her “blue steel” look.

    imagine if the actress that plays Juliet would have been given Kates role. The possibilities would have been endless.[/quote]
    I agree I dont think Kate (or the woman who plays Kate) is a very good actor. However, that doesnt mean she will not be involved in some sort of twist at the end. I originally thought that she served as some sort of Helen of Troy role between Jack and Sawyer, but neither of them seems to care about her anymore. I thought she should have died a long time ago. The only reason I think she is still relevant is because I think that in one of the FSW’s… Aaron thinks she’s his mother and not Claire… sorta like Claudia and Fake Mom.[/quote]

    Enough Kate-bashing. It’s the end of the series. Get over it.

  92. sector7 says:

    I have to say I feel the writers did a good job of trying to answer the major questions and many not-so-major ones as well.

  93. In The End says:

    [quote comment="374700"][quote comment="374685"][quote comment="374660"]Classic Ben, “Well, you found me! Can I pour you a glass of lemonade?” Ben is getting his confidence back. Who’s playing who now?

    [/quote]
    The BIG problem I saw was Flocke told Ben he could have the island to himself when he’s leaves (to get Ben to kill people that the rules stop him from doing it himself). Then at the end of the episode he told Ben he was going to destroy the island.

    When are people (Claire, Ben) going to realize he’s a liar and won’t keep his word?[/quote]
    Exactly. Flocke gave up his plan too soon. Ben has no motivation to kill anyone else now.[/quote]

    Yet as Verbal pointed out in the Usual Suspects:

    “How do you shoot the devil in the back? What if you miss?”

  94. Al Davis says:

    [quote comment="374705"][quote comment="374701"][quote comment="374697"][quote comment="374694"]I dont get how some people are upset about the way people died on the show. Jacob said that he has brought who knows how many people to the island and they all died. I think it would be phony to have this time be any different.

    Also, Jacob told Kate that it was just a name in a cave w/ a chalk line through it and she could still take the job if she wanted it. I think there will be a twist at the end and Jack will not end up as the protector. If Jacob knows that MIB visits the cave and knows who hasnt been crossed out… maybe that was a trick to make MIB sorta disregard Kate which he kinda did.[/quote]

    that would be quite disappointing, I mean Kate cannot act. Did you see that face she made while Jack was fixing her up? Thats basically all shes got. Its her “blue steel” look.

    imagine if the actress that plays Juliet would have been given Kates role. The possibilities would have been endless.[/quote]
    I agree I dont think Kate (or the woman who plays Kate) is a very good actor. However, that doesnt mean she will not be involved in some sort of twist at the end. I originally thought that she served as some sort of Helen of Troy role between Jack and Sawyer, but neither of them seems to care about her anymore. I thought she should have died a long time ago. The only reason I think she is still relevant is because I think that in one of the FSW’s… Aaron thinks she’s his mother and not Claire… sorta like Claudia and Fake Mom.[/quote]

    Enough Kate-bashing. It’s the end of the series. Get over it.[/quote]

    Kate is a great quarterback err actress – get over it!

  95. G455 says:

    [quote comment="374704"][quote comment="374655"]
    quote]
    Someone needs to let go…[/quote]

    What if What jack meant by this to locke is actually meant for MIB he has to finally let go?

  96. justguessing says:

    [quote comment="374708"][quote comment="374705"][quote comment="374701"][quote comment="374697"][quote comment="374694"]I dont get how some people are upset about the way people died on the show. Jacob said that he has brought who knows how many people to the island and they all died. I think it would be phony to have this time be any different.

    Also, Jacob told Kate that it was just a name in a cave w/ a chalk line through it and she could still take the job if she wanted it. I think there will be a twist at the end and Jack will not end up as the protector. If Jacob knows that MIB visits the cave and knows who hasnt been crossed out… maybe that was a trick to make MIB sorta disregard Kate which he kinda did.[/quote]

    that would be quite disappointing, I mean Kate cannot act. Did you see that face she made while Jack was fixing her up? Thats basically all shes got. Its her “blue steel” look.

    imagine if the actress that plays Juliet would have been given Kates role. The possibilities would have been endless.[/quote]
    I agree I dont think Kate (or the woman who plays Kate) is a very good actor. However, that doesnt mean she will not be involved in some sort of twist at the end. I originally thought that she served as some sort of Helen of Troy role between Jack and Sawyer, but neither of them seems to care about her anymore. I thought she should have died a long time ago. The only reason I think she is still relevant is because I think that in one of the FSW’s… Aaron thinks she’s his mother and not Claire… sorta like Claudia and Fake Mom.[/quote]

    Enough Kate-bashing. It’s the end of the series. Get over it.[/quote]

    Kate is a great quarterback err actress – get over it![/quote]
    My lack of fondness for Kate has nothing to do w/ her acting. It sounds like you two are little on edge this morning but if you read my post… I’m speaking more about her role on the show. As I said the only reason I think she’s still important is because she raised Aaron. Before and After that the only thing she did is follow around whoever she was in love w/ at the time. And when I said I thought she should have died along time ago, it was because I didnt see the need for her character anymore. Nothing personal against the woman playing Kate.

  97. Leave Britney Alone Guy? says:

    [quote comment="374710"][quote comment="374708"][quote comment="374705"][quote comment="374701"][quote comment="374697"][quote comment="374694"]I dont get how some people are upset about the way people died on the show. Jacob said that he has brought who knows how many people to the island and they all died. I think it would be phony to have this time be any different.

    Also, Jacob told Kate that it was just a name in a cave w/ a chalk line through it and she could still take the job if she wanted it. I think there will be a twist at the end and Jack will not end up as the protector. If Jacob knows that MIB visits the cave and knows who hasnt been crossed out… maybe that was a trick to make MIB sorta disregard Kate which he kinda did.[/quote]

    that would be quite disappointing, I mean Kate cannot act. Did you see that face she made while Jack was fixing her up? Thats basically all shes got. Its her “blue steel” look.

    imagine if the actress that plays Juliet would have been given Kates role. The possibilities would have been endless.[/quote]
    I agree I dont think Kate (or the woman who plays Kate) is a very good actor. However, that doesnt mean she will not be involved in some sort of twist at the end. I originally thought that she served as some sort of Helen of Troy role between Jack and Sawyer, but neither of them seems to care about her anymore. I thought she should have died a long time ago. The only reason I think she is still relevant is because I think that in one of the FSW’s… Aaron thinks she’s his mother and not Claire… sorta like Claudia and Fake Mom.[/quote]

    Enough Kate-bashing. It’s the end of the series. Get over it.[/quote]

    Kate is a great quarterback err actress – get over it![/quote]
    My lack of fondness for Kate has nothing to do w/ her acting. It sounds like you two are little on edge this morning but if you read my post… I’m speaking more about her role on the show. As I said the only reason I think she’s still important is because she raised Aaron. Before and After that the only thing she did is follow around whoever she was in love w/ at the time. And when I said I thought she should have died along time ago, it was because I didnt see the need for her character anymore. Nothing personal against the woman playing Kate.[/quote]

    Leave Kate-y Alone! You’re lucky she even performed for you basterds.

  98. Jake328 says:

    [quote comment="374699"][quote comment="374689"][quote comment="374677"][quote comment="374673"]We still all need to take bets on who jacks ex wife is because we will surely be finding that out on sunday. Im going with juliet[/quote]

    Think shocking. Hopefully its an adam and eve revelation as in NO IDEA it coulda been her.[/quote]
    IMO, Juliet…couldn’t be more obvious. Sawyer and Juliet still haven’t had the ‘go dutch for coffee’ scene.
    (Jack’s ex-wife Juliet meets cop Sawyer at the concert, which is quite similar to the TT in the 70’s when Sawyer was a ‘cop’ for DHARMA.)[/quote]

    Penny is Jack’s ex-wife. Des is taking Kate to the concert to set her up with Jack. Des will reunite with Penny at the concert as well. Hurley is taking Sawyer to a coffee house where they will meet up with Juliet…thoughts?[/quote]

    That is the best theory on the wife/Juliet subject I have heard so far.

  99. Crossed Out says:

    Anybody have a theory as to what Ben’s plan was in asking Widmore to give Miles his walkie? Where is Miles? Why did he need the walkie? Part of a Ben plan against MIB?

  100. rowjimmy says:

    To become protector of the Island Jacob needed to say his incantation before Jack drank from the cup so there is more to it than just volunteering for the job.
    Jack is the candidate.
    So now that Jack has assumed Jacobs position does this free up Flocke to resume his shape shifting?

  101. Theorynut says:

    Sooooo excited for the finale…whoohoo….Just a wild thought…Has anyone talked about the possibility that Desmond actually is the “Candidate”? He’s the one with all the “godlike” qualities back on the mainland just like Jacob. Especially now, getting the whole gang of losties together with his superpowers…his time travel abilities? He has been special from day one. Jacob brought him to the island as well! Any thoughts?

  102. LostGrrl says:

    [quote comment="374713"]Anybody have a theory as to what Ben’s plan was in asking Widmore to give Miles his walkie? Where is Miles? Why did he need the walkie? Part of a Ben plan against MIB?[/quote]

    Hmm… forgot about that. Perhaps there IS hope that Ben has not turned to the dark side after all. The walkie thing was too prominent not to figure in on something during the end game. Richard better figure in, too!

  103. LostGrrl says:

    [quote comment="374715"]Sooooo excited for the finale…whoohoo….Just a wild thought…Has anyone talked about the possibility that Desmond actually is the “Candidate”? He’s the one with all the “godlike” qualities back on the mainland just like Jacob. Especially now, getting the whole gang of losties together with his superpowers…his time travel abilities? He has been special from day one. Jacob brought him to the island as well! Any thoughts?[/quote]

    I think he’s prominent, but I don’t think he’s the candidate. I’m thinking that his supreme sacrifice is that he’ll give his life counteracting the electromagnatism of the Light Cave to defeat MIB.

  104. Miss lost says:

    [quote comment="374716"][quote comment="374713"]Anybody have a theory as to what Ben’s plan was in asking Widmore to give Miles his walkie? Where is Miles? Why did he need the walkie? Part of a Ben plan against MIB?[/quote]

    Hmm… forgot about that. Perhaps there IS hope that Ben has not turned to the dark side after all. The walkie thing was too prominent not to figure in on something during the end game. Richard better figure in, too![/quote]
    **************
    I think Ben DOES have a plan. I think it was bittersweet for him to kill Widmore. The pain of Alex was fresh as they walked across her grave. The talk of the freighter brought back the memory of who was responsible for her death. Widmore was an easy pawn and now MIB thinks Ben is on his side.
    YES MILES did leave and took off into the jungle. My question is (and I know others have asked) did Smokey kill Richard? I would think he would not be able to, but I don’t know since they did not show his body.
    Ben knows MIB duped him into killing Jacob~he is going to get his revenge!

  105. Crossed Out says:

    [quote comment="374716"][quote comment="374713"]Anybody have a theory as to what Ben’s plan was in asking Widmore to give Miles his walkie? Where is Miles? Why did he need the walkie? Part of a Ben plan against MIB?[/quote]

    Hmm… forgot about that. Perhaps there IS hope that Ben has not turned to the dark side after all. The walkie thing was too prominent not to figure in on something during the end game. Richard better figure in, too![/quote]

    Yeah…did Widmore, Ben, and Miles have time to devise a plan against MIB in the time that Richard exited Ben’s house and went out to confront MIB? Like having Miles take off, and Widmore putting on a bullet proof vest? Was Ben shooting Widmore part of the plan all along? Zoey was just colateral damage in the plan I guess if that’s so.

  106. Jake328 says:

    [quote comment="374711"][quote comment="374710"][quote comment="374708"][quote comment="374705"][quote comment="374701"][quote comment="374697"][quote comment="374694"]I dont get how some people are upset about the way people died on the show. Jacob said that he has brought who knows how many people to the island and they all died. I think it would be phony to have this time be any different.

    Also, Jacob told Kate that it was just a name in a cave w/ a chalk line through it and she could still take the job if she wanted it. I think there will be a twist at the end and Jack will not end up as the protector. If Jacob knows that MIB visits the cave and knows who hasnt been crossed out… maybe that was a trick to make MIB sorta disregard Kate which he kinda did.[/quote]

    that would be quite disappointing, I mean Kate cannot act. Did you see that face she made while Jack was fixing her up? Thats basically all shes got. Its her “blue steel” look.

    imagine if the actress that plays Juliet would have been given Kates role. The possibilities would have been endless.[/quote]
    I agree I dont think Kate (or the woman who plays Kate) is a very good actor. However, that doesnt mean she will not be involved in some sort of twist at the end. I originally thought that she served as some sort of Helen of Troy role between Jack and Sawyer, but neither of them seems to care about her anymore. I thought she should have died a long time ago. The only reason I think she is still relevant is because I think that in one of the FSW’s… Aaron thinks she’s his mother and not Claire… sorta like Claudia and Fake Mom.[/quote]

    Enough Kate-bashing. It’s the end of the series. Get over it.[/quote]

    Kate is a great quarterback err actress – get over it![/quote]
    My lack of fondness for Kate has nothing to do w/ her acting. It sounds like you two are little on edge this morning but if you read my post… I’m speaking more about her role on the show. As I said the only reason I think she’s still important is because she raised Aaron. Before and After that the only thing she did is follow around whoever she was in love w/ at the time. And when I said I thought she should have died along time ago, it was because I didnt see the need for her character anymore. Nothing personal against the woman playing Kate.[/quote]

    Leave Kate-y Alone! You’re lucky she even performed for you basterds.[/quote]
    LOL

  107. Miss lost says:

    I agree with Hammer and think Jack’s wife is going to be Juliet. That was my guess back in the thread where we found out Jack had a son. But I also said that I don’t think she is his soul mate…Kate is.
    I do think we are going to see Juliet and Sawyer reunite and see that “dutch” coffee scene, or at least the suggestion that they go get coffee.
    I know we don’t know where Hurley is taking Sayid, but it would seem like somehow they are all going to be at the concert.
    Maybe they need to get Sun and Jin who last we saw were at the hospital.
    Then again, there are alot of characters who need to be gathered so they can be awakened!

  108. Jake328 says:

    [quote comment="374713"]Anybody have a theory as to what Ben’s plan was in asking Widmore to give Miles his walkie? Where is Miles? Why did he need the walkie? Part of a Ben plan against MIB?[/quote]

    I thought about that, there must be more to that since it made no sense at the time.

  109. Miss lost says:

    If the light is somehow connected to the electromagnetism is it possible that Des can go into the light and not be harmed?
    Or if MIB is able to extinguish the light, will he be able to relight it?

  110. Miss lost says:

    Speaking of Des~ why does the tunnel appear to change?
    When MIB first pushed him in it seemed deep. When Sayid found him it was not that deep and there was no water…
    Now that Ben and MIB are there again it appears to be deep with water in it?
    And WHO did get him out? Did Jack and company get to him, or did Miles find him.
    If Jack and co. did then I think it is interesting that he did not go with them to see Jacob.

  111. Miss lost says:

    Ok, I have one more thing to try and talk through.
    At the beginning of this season we saw the island under water. We know Juliet said, it worked!”
    So the incident with the bomb going off caused our FSW. Are we then to assume that MIB is successful in destroying the island and that is why we saw it at the bottom of the ocean.

    Now I realize that all the events we have seen DID occur for our characters, it is just that they don’t all remember them. That is what Desmond is now trying to do. He is trying to awaken them so that they all REMEMBER!
    I like everyone else just don’t know how they are going to mesh those memories…will their 2004 selves be able to help the current island selves?
    Crazy stuff but I can’t wait to see them remember and I am really excited to see Sawyer and Juliet reunited!
    Finally along these lines~it seems like the light is out and they have all seemed somewhat Zombie like….not the same type of emotion or passion in the FSW~but once they remember~it comes back!

  112. Guttahman says:

    [quote comment="374615"]Excited for tonight. I am sorry there are a few people who are disappointed with the direction of the show or last weeks episode….as true to Lost form, I truly think they are going to bring it and we are going to understand the big picture…don’t get me wrong, they are NOT going to answer every and all question, but when it is all over I think most of us are going to go~”oh I get it!”
    Can’t wait for tonight![/quote]

    You know…I really feel like the people who are disappointed with[quote comment="374724"]Speaking of Des~ why does the tunnel appear to change?
    When MIB first pushed him in it seemed deep. When Sayid found him it was not that deep and there was no water…
    Now that Ben and MIB are there again it appears to be deep with water in it?
    And WHO did get him out? Did Jack and company get to him, or did Miles find him.
    If Jack and co. did then I think it is interesting that he did not go with them to see Jacob.[/quote]

    There was always water in the well and it seemed deeper than it actually is because when Flocke first brought Des to the well it was dark outside, When Sayid goes to visit him it is in the middle of the day, and it seemed like either dusk or dawn when Flocke took Ben last night….And there was water when Sayid went to see him, Des was sitting on a ledge with one leg in the water.

  113. cyainanotherlifebrother says:

    Jack will not be at the concert, as desmond arranged, he will be at the airport to collect his fathers body or what ever is in the coffin prob with hurley and sayid, I think this would suggest that sawyer ends up wit kate.

  114. Guttahman says:

    Not sure what the hell that is about…I only quoted one comment!!

  115. Numbers Guy says:

    So, are the numbers long gone? I know they were points on the lighthouse wheel, but since they were so prominent in the first few seasons shouldn’t they be involved in the ending somehow?

    Should the writers have an after show, kind of like the Bachelor or Survivor where the answer many of the unanswered questions from the show?

    And as good as the final will be, it will be truly sad to see the series end.

  116. Ron says:

    here’s the best theory as to why Juliet is Jack’s wife – because Mitchell is going to be a guest star this season, she hasn’t shown up yet, and so what role is left for her to play in the FS?

  117. rowjimmy says:

    [quote comment="374723"]If the light is somehow connected to the electromagnetism is it possible that Des can go into the light and not be harmed?
    Or if MIB is able to extinguish the light, will he be able to relight it?[/quote]
    Or does MIB destroy the Island by putting Desmond in the light?Sort of a matter anti-matter situation

  118. betsy says:

    I’m sorry I’m posting an idea that’s already been posted. I skimmed through so I’m sure I’ve missed a lot. I’m a long time reader. This is my second post. Hammer and PJ Sander, I think you two are brilliant!
    I think Jack knows how to kill Smokie. Of course he is enlightened now that he took the drink. I liked the expression on his face…the aha moment.

  119. Miraks says:

    I’ve been saying it since the begining of this season- David is the key to the FSW. There is no other reason why a major new character would be introduced, one that does not exist in the original time-line.

  120. Miraks says:

    [quote comment="374679"]The concert they are going to is the wedding/party that Charley was hired to play at Whitmore’s house right? I think that they will all be back together at the wedding/party and that end will coincide with the ending on the Island. I think Claire saved Des and I think Hurley will some how end up being the one to protect the Island. One last note, could Jack and Ben be the 2 new Jacob & Man in Black?[/quote]

    The concert is at Miles’ dad’s museum, not at Widmores. People that will be there for sure so far are:
    Miles
    Charlotte
    Dr. Chang
    Jack
    David
    Desmond
    Kate
    should be there:
    Charles and Eloise Widmore (they held a benefit for the museum before)
    and thus Penny, Faraday
    Hurley (the museum made him Man of the Year after he donated money)
    Libby (as his date?)
    Sayid
    Claire (as David’s aunt)
    Sawyer (if Miles calls to tell him their escapees are there?)

    Need to get there:
    Ben
    Locke
    Sun and Jin
    ?

  121. Miraks says:

    [quote comment="374725"]Ok, I have one more thing to try and talk through.
    At the beginning of this season we saw the island under water. We know Juliet said, it worked!”
    So the incident with the bomb going off caused our FSW. Are we then to assume that MIB is successful in destroying the island and that is why we saw it at the bottom of the ocean.

    Now I realize that all the events we have seen DID occur for our characters, it is just that they don’t all remember them. That is what Desmond is now trying to do. He is trying to awaken them so that they all REMEMBER!

    ![/quote]

    Well, do you think it’s kind of like Lapidus crying in front of the tv when 815 crashed, not knowing why?

  122. LostGrrl says:

    If you believe Entertainment Weekly (and how can you not, thanks to the great Doc Jensen re-caps), Widmore is, indeed, dead. http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2010/04/20/may-sweeps-scorecard/

    If you take notice of the “Number of Confirmed Fatalities” section, neither Richard nor Lapidus are mentioned…

    Not cannon, but interesting.

  123. Miss lost says:

    I think Dogan and his son will also be there, since we saw that his son also plays.

  124. LostLove says:

    [quote comment="374634"]Lostlove……. ‘the others’ were people that jacob brought to the island and they killed people and kidnaped people. And ‘the others’ were brought to the island becouse it was a part of jacobs plan, spoken through richard. So why are they and jacob not considered bad or evil? The mib kills people well so does jacob, just not indirectly. Mib isn’t bad or good. Nobody is. There is no evil, just a made up word. Every war has 2 sides and 2 stories.[/quote]

    So, in your opinion, there is no heaven and hell? Because, what would be the point, right, if there is no good or evil? Good people can do evil things and evil people can do good things. For example, IMO (as well as 99% of the world) Adolf Hitler was an evil human being. In your opinion, he was just misunderstood. You should make a movie out of that, it would be hilarious, dark humor, yes, but pretty twisted and funny.

  125. Miss lost says:

    [quote comment="374737"]I think Dogan and his son will also be there, since we saw that his son also plays.[/quote]
    ************************
    other people we could see at the concert or who we have at least seen in FSW…
    1. Ilana
    2. Rose and Bernard…I thought Bernard was eerie when Jack visited him…the way he questioned Jack…it seemed to me like he was already aware (IMO)
    3. We have seen other “others” like Ethan.
    and wasn’t the cab driver someone?
    4. Artz

    I know they are all not needed and don’t expect to see all of them at the concert, but it will be interesting how many are there and for why!

  126. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="374736"]If you believe Entertainment Weekly (and how can you not, thanks to the great Doc Jensen re-caps), Widmore is, indeed, dead. http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2010/04/20/may-sweeps-scorecard/

    If you take notice of the “Number of Confirmed Fatalities” section, neither Richard nor Lapidus are mentioned…

    Not cannon, but interesting.[/quote]
    My impression is that once Jacob died, his magic over Richard was gone. This is why Richard was going to kill himself. So if Richard is alive, it’s not because he still can’t die, it’s because smokie didn’t finish the job.

  127. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="374730"]here’s the best theory as to why Juliet is Jack’s wife – because Mitchell is going to be a guest star this season, she hasn’t shown up yet, and so what role is left for her to play in the FS?[/quote]
    Could be. Of course, I thought they made a big deal about Shannon coming back this season, and we haven’t seen her.

  128. Aonghus Fallon says:

    Course correction – the destruction of the swan station – meant that the time-line split in two. ‘Going dutch’.

    In the first time-line, there was no crash.
    In the second time-line – ‘the loop’ – the plane crashed and the characters engineered the destruction of the swan station.

    Characters in the first time-line have vague memories of their alternative lives in the second time-line.

    All the characters (bar one or two) will die in the second time-line, but this doesn’t really matter, as they’re alive in the first time-line. In real terms, nothing that happens on the island has any real impact in the first, ‘proper’ time-line. It exists in a self-enclosed bubble. A snow-globe, if you like.

  129. cyainanotherlifebrother says:

    [quote comment="374734"][quote comment="374679"]The concert they are going to is the wedding/party that Charley was hired to play at Whitmore’s house right? I think that they will all be back together at the wedding/party and that end will coincide with the ending on the Island. I think Claire saved Des and I think Hurley will some how end up being the one to protect the Island. One last note, could Jack and Ben be the 2 new Jacob & Man in Black?[/quote]

    The concert is at Miles’ dad’s museum, not at Widmores. People that will be there for sure so far are:
    Miles
    Charlotte
    Dr. Chang
    Jack
    David
    Desmond
    Kate
    should be there:
    Charles and Eloise Widmore (they held a benefit for the museum before)
    and thus Penny, Faraday
    Hurley (the museum made him Man of the Year after he donated money)
    Libby (as his date?)
    Sayid
    Claire (as David’s aunt)
    Sawyer (if Miles calls to tell him their escapees are there?)

    Need to get there:
    Ben
    Locke
    Sun and Jin
    ?[/quote]

    Just because they have confirmed there attendance does not mean they will be there, I reckon jack wont be there as des has tricked him into collecting his fathers coffin.

  130. Seajam says:

    [quote comment="374723"]If the light is somehow connected to the electromagnetism is it possible that Des can go into the light and not be harmed?
    Or if MIB is able to extinguish the light, will he be able to relight it?[/quote]

    I would lean to yes, Des can enter the light and not be changed by it. He may be the only person who can. This is assuming that MIB was only unconscious when Jacob pushed him down the stream into the light. If Smokie came from the light, mayhaps Des can help to return him to the light.

  131. LostLove says:

    [quote comment="374638"][quote comment="374634"]Lostlove……. ‘the others’ were people that jacob brought to the island and they killed people and kidnaped people. And ‘the others’ were brought to the island becouse it was a part of jacobs plan, spoken through richard. So why are they and jacob not considered bad or evil? The mib kills people well so does jacob, just not indirectly. Mib isn’t bad or good. Nobody is. There is no evil, just a made up word. Every war has 2 sides and 2 stories.[/quote]

    You’re right josh. That’s one of the reasons I feel Across the Sea was shown last week. It was a twist. We saw how evil Flocke has been acting. At the end of the previous episode they said 2 sides to the story. We got that last week. Now we feel sorry for both brothers because of what Mother did. Since we know they were human we know they had the potential for good and evil. It’s not so black and white now.

    I still think a lot of things Ben did, he did on his own and claimed it was what Jacob wanted. I think MIB was also deceiving Ben or Richard into believing they were doing Jacob’s will. Lastly, as Protector of the island, I think Jacob may have allowed things for a time hoping people would do the right thing.[/quote]

    Arrrggghhhh!!! For the last time people, (Please note: I am not directing this to any one person, just the people who seem confused in acknowledging the nature of Smokey/MIB) The BIB(bro of Jacob) was a good kid. He grew up as a decent man. He lost a little of his innocence living w/ the other humans. OK, so what, right? Right! BUT, THAT PERSON IS DEAD!!!! Body is laying alongside his murderous deceiving fake mom. His soul is the Smoke Monster/MIB/fLocke that we now see. Sure, his origins might have come from a good place, but no matter now. HE IS EVIL! The show’s creators even say that. Yet some of you people insist, “Nah, he is just misunderstood. I think I could change him. All’s he needs is a little understanding and love.”” HOLY CRAP, how PC and ignorant are you to believe this?? Now, i suppose you will say”But Jacob’s not perfect, he killed his bro?” And yes youre right, nobody (not even the show’s creators) ever said he was perfect, just good. Good people can make mistakes. Good people do feel sorry for what they have done and try to make things right. Did you see last night’s show. It describes Jacob all these years. He is sorry for killing his brother, yet feels responsible enough to the rest of the world not to let him off the island.

  132. Miraks says:

    [quote comment="374743"][quote comment="374734"][quote comment="374679"]The concert they are going to is the wedding/party that Charley was hired to play at Whitmore’s house right? I think that they will all be back together at the wedding/party and that end will coincide with the ending on the Island. I think Claire saved Des and I think Hurley will some how end up being the one to protect the Island. One last note, could Jack and Ben be the 2 new Jacob & Man in Black?[/quote]

    The concert is at Miles’ dad’s museum, not at Widmores. People that will be there for sure so far are:
    Miles
    Charlotte
    Dr. Chang
    Jack
    David
    Desmond
    Kate
    should be there:
    Charles and Eloise Widmore (they held a benefit for the museum before)
    and thus Penny, Faraday
    Hurley (the museum made him Man of the Year after he donated money)
    Libby (as his date?)
    Sayid
    Claire (as David’s aunt)
    Sawyer (if Miles calls to tell him their escapees are there?)

    Need to get there:
    Ben
    Locke
    Sun and Jin
    ?[/quote]

    Just because they have confirmed there attendance does not mean they will be there, I reckon jack wont be there as des has tricked him into collecting his fathers coffin.[/quote]

    I’m pretty sure Jack would not miss his son’s concert, especially after he calls Oceanic and they tell him-what are you talking about?
    Plus I’m going with, if they confirmed they are going to be there, they will be there.

  133. Seajam says:

    [quote comment="374721"]I agree with Hammer and think Jack’s wife is going to be Juliet. That was my guess back in the thread where we found out Jack had a son. But I also said that I don’t think she is his soul mate…Kate is.
    I do think we are going to see Juliet and Sawyer reunite and see that “dutch” coffee scene, or at least the suggestion that they go get coffee.
    I know we don’t know where Hurley is taking Sayid, but it would seem like somehow they are all going to be at the concert.
    Maybe they need to get Sun and Jin who last we saw were at the hospital.
    Then again, there are alot of characters who need to be gathered so they can be awakened![/quote]

    Kate and Sawyer had their chance at the station and Sawyer said no way. I think you are right that Juliet will be Jack’s ex, but she will be Sawyer’s soulmate and Kate will be Jack’s… unless maybe Jack doesn’t have one or doesn’t need one now that he’s the protector.

  134. buck says:

    [quote comment="374663"]For what its worth,does anyone out there know latin? Jacobs incantation is audible when he’s preparing the cup.[/quote]
    Yes, I took Latin for three years at Notre Dame University and roughly translated, Jacob’s statement is “through the mouth and past gums, look out stomach here it come!”

  135. cyainanotherlifebrother says:

    [quote comment="374746"][quote comment="374743"][quote comment="374734"][quote comment="374679"]The concert they are going to is the wedding/party that Charley was hired to play at Whitmore’s house right? I think that they will all be back together at the wedding/party and that end will coincide with the ending on the Island. I think Claire saved Des and I think Hurley will some how end up being the one to protect the Island. One last note, could Jack and Ben be the 2 new Jacob & Man in Black?[/quote]

    The concert is at Miles’ dad’s museum, not at Widmores. People that will be there for sure so far are:
    Miles
    Charlotte
    Dr. Chang
    Jack
    David
    Desmond
    Kate
    should be there:
    Charles and Eloise Widmore (they held a benefit for the museum before)
    and thus Penny, Faraday
    Hurley (the museum made him Man of the Year after he donated money)
    Libby (as his date?)
    Sayid
    Claire (as David’s aunt)
    Sawyer (if Miles calls to tell him their escapees are there?)

    Need to get there:
    Ben
    Locke
    Sun and Jin
    ?[/quote]

    Just because they have confirmed there attendance does not mean they will be there, I reckon jack wont be there as des has tricked him into collecting his fathers coffin.[/quote]

    I’m pretty sure Jack would not miss his son’s concert, especially after he calls Oceanic and they tell him-what are you talking about?
    Plus I’m going with, if they confirmed they are going to be there, they will be there.[/quote]
    I wont want to miss it but he may still have to desmond is the man with the plan and he seems to be guiding him away from the concert but all will be revealed who knows, hes lucky des didnt resort to running him down in his car lol.

  136. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="374732"]I’m sorry I’m posting an idea that’s already been posted. I skimmed through so I’m sure I’ve missed a lot. I’m a long time reader. This is my second post. Hammer and PJ Sander, I think you two are brilliant!
    I think Jack knows how to kill Smokie. Of course he is enlightened now that he took the drink. I liked the expression on his face…the aha moment.[/quote]
    Well thanks betsy.

    Agree Jack had an aha moment, but I wonder if the rules have changed. Can Jack kill MIB even though he is Jacob’s replacement?

  137. Hammer says:

    Here is my take on the Jack/concert/coffin thing.

    Des knows that Jack is Jacob’s replacement. Des is getting ‘everyone’ back together to mesh the timelines and course correct. Des knows that Jack can’t be with them when that happens for some reason.

  138. Amber says:

    So maybe they will all be at the concert and all of them being together will unlock all the memorys of the island, and thats how we will see what happened. Jack defeats MIB the island sinks and everything that happened didnt happen. BUT did happen so they will all be at the concert staring at each other because they realize they had this life with each other. Every one becomes friends. Gets back with there loves and live happily ever afer off the island. All the dead people get to be back alive. How are Jin and Sun going to be at the concert?

  139. Colin says:

    I’ve read most of the posts, but have yet to read any theories on why Jack had blood on his neck in the begining of the episode?

  140. Mateo says:

    Someone earlier asked if Sawyer said Flocke in this episode, did anyone catch that? If so the writers are def reading these blogs. :) If anyone would say that nickname its Sawyer.

    Cant wait till Finale, remember people, its on Sunday, not Tuesday! Also checkout Jimmy Kimmel after, he has the whole cast on his show for a special!

    I will miss all of yall’s theories and fighting…

  141. 1st timer says:

    [quote comment="374754"]I’ve read most of the posts, but have yet to read any theories on why Jack had blood on his neck in the begining of the episode?[/quote]

    So what is your theory since you are the first to bring it up? To me it kinda looks like the injury he incurred when Widmore’s group sent the bombs to the other beach. What that means, I don’t know

  142. Jake328 says:

    [quote comment="374742"]Course correction – the destruction of the swan station – meant that the time-line split in two. ‘Going dutch’.

    In the first time-line, there was no crash.
    In the second time-line – ‘the loop’ – the plane crashed and the characters engineered the destruction of the swan station.

    Characters in the first time-line have vague memories of their alternative lives in the second time-line.

    All the characters (bar one or two) will die in the second time-line, but this doesn’t really matter, as they’re alive in the first time-line. In real terms, nothing that happens on the island has any real impact in the first, ‘proper’ time-line. It exists in a self-enclosed bubble. A snow-globe, if you like.[/quote]
    Very true but why is Des getting them all together, in the same room it seems, in the first time line? That has to connect somehow to the second time line and help in the destruction of the MIB.

  143. LOLO says:

    [quote comment="374748"][quote comment="374663"]For what its worth,does anyone out there know latin? Jacobs incantation is audible when he’s preparing the cup.[/quote]
    Yes, I took Latin for three years at Notre Dame University and roughly translated, Jacob’s statement is “through the mouth and past gums, look out stomach here it come!”[/quote]
    HILARIOUS! Great set up.

  144. Jake328 says:

    [quote comment="374748"][quote comment="374663"]For what its worth,does anyone out there know latin? Jacobs incantation is audible when he’s preparing the cup.[/quote]
    Yes, I took Latin for three years at Notre Dame University and roughly translated, Jacob’s statement is “through the mouth and past gums, look out stomach here it come!”[/quote]

    LOL – almost sprayed the screen with that one.

  145. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="374754"]I’ve read most of the posts, but have yet to read any theories on why Jack had blood on his neck in the begining of the episode?[/quote]
    Try post 74 on for size. ;)

  146. Jake328 says:

    [quote comment="374750"][quote comment="374732"]I’m sorry I’m posting an idea that’s already been posted. I skimmed through so I’m sure I’ve missed a lot. I’m a long time reader. This is my second post. Hammer and PJ Sander, I think you two are brilliant!
    I think Jack knows how to kill Smokie. Of course he is enlightened now that he took the drink. I liked the expression on his face…the aha moment.[/quote]
    Well thanks betsy.

    Agree Jack had an aha moment, but I wonder if the rules have changed. Can Jack kill MIB even though he is Jacob’s replacement?[/quote]

    That’s another thing, I guess we get how the game started and the “rules” spelled out on Sunday, I thought for sure it would have been last night’s episode.

  147. Rozee says:

    [quote comment="374742"]Course correction – the destruction of the swan station – meant that the time-line split in two. ‘Going dutch’.

    In the first time-line, there was no crash.
    In the second time-line – ‘the loop’ – the plane crashed and the characters engineered the destruction of the swan station.

    Characters in the first time-line have vague memories of their alternative lives in the second time-line.

    All the characters (bar one or two) will die in the second time-line, but this doesn’t really matter, as they’re alive in the first time-line. In real terms, nothing that happens on the island has any real impact in the first, ‘proper’ time-line. It exists in a self-enclosed bubble. A snow-globe, if you like.[/quote]
    I like it —but the second time line – the loop – actually created the “first” timeline!! How does that work?

  148. Becky says:

    Wow, I’m so sad about this show being over. No more conjecture or study. Just over. Waah!

    Last night was unreal as was last week. I loved last week. A previous poster made a good point that the story needed to be seen by us instead of told. Makes so much more sense. I enjoyed seeing how the smoke monster came to be. I also like that they told us who Adam and Eve were, though I fully expected it to be Kate and Jack or Rose and Bernard. No matter!

    My questions that still remain (and hopefully will be answered)

    1. Why could women not get past their second trimesters on the island? Did Jacob want them to recruit Juliet to the island?

    2. Why did the smoke monster kill the pilot? and Eko? and whomever else it killed? Did Ben summon it to do so? Or was Ben correct saying that he was the one being summoned.

    3. What was the deal with Walt? What special powers did he have and how did it relate to the island? Will he come back?

    4. Why did Ben have a list from Jacob of which Losties and Tailies to kidnap? What was their purpose? Why did he leave the “candidates” to fend for themselves?

    5. Is Sayid really dead? He went over to the “dark” side so he is really gone? Terrible exit.

    6. What about Aaron? Does he fit into all of this? Will he and Claire finally be reunited?

    7. How did Ben know what the whispers were? Did Jacob tell him? Why does Ben have access to Jacob if he is not a candidate to protect the island?

    8. Moving the island was all Flocke’s idea, I take it. Who said “help me” in the cabin when Locke and ben went in and Ben got thrown across the room?

    9. Why can Hurley suddenly see and talk to the dead?

    10. Who is Jack’s son’s mother?

    11. Will Sawyer ever meet his daughter?

    I’m nervous and excited about Sunday!

  149. LuvnLost says:

    I know exactly how this show will end on Sunday night.
    At approximately 10:29 pm there will be a very bright flash of light and WE will all be gone.

  150. Hurley's Dad says:

    [quote comment="374755"]Someone earlier asked if Sawyer said Flocke in this episode, did anyone catch that? If so the writers are def reading these blogs. :) If anyone would say that nickname its Sawyer.[/quote]

    Watching live I thought the same thing…but if you look back at the full sentence it’s “if Locke”. Say that fast (like Mr. Holloway did) and it can be misinterpreted as Flocke.

  151. Hurley's Dad says:

    [quote comment="374724"]Speaking of Des~ why does the tunnel appear to change?
    When MIB first pushed him in it seemed deep. When Sayid found him it was not that deep and there was no water…
    Now that Ben and MIB are there again it appears to be deep with water in it?
    And WHO did get him out? Did Jack and company get to him, or did Miles find him.
    If Jack and co. did then I think it is interesting that he did not go with them to see Jacob.[/quote]

    Maybe I’m oversimplifying it, but wouldn’t Sayid be the most obvious choice?

  152. annemoonstar says:

    [quote comment="374755"]Someone earlier asked if Sawyer said Flocke in this episode, did anyone catch that? If so the writers are def reading these blogs. :) If anyone would say that nickname its Sawyer.

    Cant wait till Finale, remember people, its on Sunday, not Tuesday! Also checkout Jimmy Kimmel after, he has the whole cast on his show for a special!

    I will miss all of yall’s theories and fighting…[/quote]

    I listened again. It REALLY sounds like Sawyer says “If Flocke wanted Desmond dead, why didn’t he just kill him himself?” But it also could have been the “f” in “if.” Hard to tell….I’d like to think it was a shout out to the hard-core fans. But who knows….

  153. Hurley's Dad says:

    [quote comment="374730"]here’s the best theory as to why Juliet is Jack’s wife – because Mitchell is going to be a guest star this season, she hasn’t shown up yet, and so what role is left for her to play in the FS?[/quote]

    Sawyer’s love interest? I still like Penny as David’s mom the best, but would be fine with either Juliet or Penny in the role.

  154. Libby says:

    Here is the deal everybody. Let me say it SAT style.

    Desmond is to the Flash Sideways as
    Neo was to the Maxtrix

    Everybody is stuck in happyville, but they are about to get unplugged.

  155. Miss lost says:

    [quote comment="374768"][quote comment="374724"]Speaking of Des~ why does the tunnel appear to change?
    When MIB first pushed him in it seemed deep. When Sayid found him it was not that deep and there was no water…
    Now that Ben and MIB are there again it appears to be deep with water in it?
    And WHO did get him out? Did Jack and company get to him, or did Miles find him.
    If Jack and co. did then I think it is interesting that he did not go with them to see Jacob.[/quote]

    Maybe I’m oversimplifying it, but wouldn’t Sayid be the most obvious choice?[/quote]
    *************
    Maybe Sayid did get him out, but he made it a point to tell Jack that he was in the well so i am not sure…maybe it was jacob as the young boy.

  156. Colin says:

    [quote comment="374760"][quote comment="374754"]I’ve read most of the posts, but have yet to read any theories on why Jack had blood on his neck in the begining of the episode?[/quote]
    Try post 74 on for size. ;)[/quote]
    That’s what I was thinking, but why would he have
    the injury at that moment in the FSW? What would
    be the significance of that time?

    P.S. Long time reader, first time poster and I
    get hammer to reply. The “light in the cave”
    must be smiling on me!

  157. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="374773"][quote comment="374760"][quote comment="374754"]I’ve read most of the posts, but have yet to read any theories on why Jack had blood on his neck in the begining of the episode?[/quote]
    Try post 74 on for size. ;)[/quote]
    That’s what I was thinking, but why would he have
    the injury at that moment in the FSW? What would
    be the significance of that time?

    P.S. Long time reader, first time poster and I
    get hammer to reply. The “light in the cave”
    must be smiling on me![/quote]
    Ha! Whatever, I’m just some dude that likes LOST like the rest of us.

    BTW, I don’t that moment is significant. It’s just a clue. He saw the wound on the plane too.

  158. Hammer says:

    I think there was a clue that Rose and Bernard are “past the bamboo” where Jack said nothing is out there. Rose and Bernard are ‘hiding’ there, remember the last time we saw them they were ‘hiding’ and didn’t want to be found by anyone. If everyone assumes the same as Jack did, then nobody would come across them.

    I think that’s where we will see them again when Jack goes there.

  159. uhhaboutthat says:

    Can someone refresh my memory? How did the Dharma project get started in the first place? How did Widmore originally learn about the island and its powers?

  160. Bobola says:

    [quote comment="374697"]
    Kate cannot act. Did you see that face she made while Jack was fixing her up? Thats basically all shes got. Its her “blue steel” look.

    imagine if the actress that plays Juliet would have been given Kates role. The possibilities would have been endless.[/quote]

    I have to agree with you; she’s shown a pretty limited ability to show much despite being put in a variety of situations. There are so many amazing actors on the show…and the less talented/skilled ones tend to show up more in contrast.

    Gee, I felt a lot worse over losing Zoe and Widmore than I did Sun and Jin…LOST possibilities there…
    but then WE WILL see them again when Dez goes to the Concert, eh brother?
    Problem is, we are going to have to hear Charlie’s music again…uuugh! If the writers were cute they would have him play Smoke on the Water…Charlie might be able to handle that, it’s got 3 chords.

    Miles; always good. Smart guy; he took off pronto.

    Alpert; Clueless.

    Most worthless scene; the Breakfast table scene with the son who looks like a Central casting boy model.

    Ben; we got the old Ben back…as predatory as ever.
    He’d sacrifice his own daughter to save himself…ooops, already did that!

    So how does the Transport guard fool the Police into believing the prisoners all escaped?
    Pretty sure all those Transports have GPS tracking now…
    “Officer, what were you doing down at the docks….taking the inmates out for some fishing?”
    And who thinks that that many prisoners get taken across town the just a driver? Just sayin’.

    Geez, Hurley sure is Mr. Tasteless;
    Red Camaro and Yellow Hummer.
    Let’s not draw any attention with the escaped cons in our low key vehicles.

  161. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="374775"]I think there was a clue that Rose and Bernard are “past the bamboo” where Jack said nothing is out there. Rose and Bernard are ‘hiding’ there, remember the last time we saw them they were ‘hiding’ and didn’t want to be found by anyone. If everyone assumes the same as Jack did, then nobody would come across them.

    I think that’s where we will see them again when Jack goes there.[/quote]
    Ok. I took it to mean that’s where the light in the cave is. I assume the protector can make things vanish and reappear when they want. That’s how the lighthouse, cabin and light-cave are there and not there sometimes.

  162. uhhaboutthat says:

    Another thought, once this is all over with how are they going to get off the island? The sub is gone and the plane is wired to blow! Will Jackob be able to transport them back with his new powers?!

  163. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="374761"][quote comment="374750"][quote comment="374732"]I’m sorry I’m posting an idea that’s already been posted. I skimmed through so I’m sure I’ve missed a lot. I’m a long time reader. This is my second post. Hammer and PJ Sander, I think you two are brilliant!
    I think Jack knows how to kill Smokie. Of course he is enlightened now that he took the drink. I liked the expression on his face…the aha moment.[/quote]
    Well thanks betsy.

    Agree Jack had an aha moment, but I wonder if the rules have changed. Can Jack kill MIB even though he is Jacob’s replacement?[/quote]

    That’s another thing, I guess we get how the game started and the “rules” spelled out on Sunday, I thought for sure it would have been last night’s episode.[/quote]
    I think the story has told us that the protector gets to make whatever rules they want simply because they have magical powers once they drink the enchanted liquid. For instance, one of Mother’s rules was that Jacob and MIB could not kill each other. She simply made it that way because she had magic powers. When MIB told Jacob ‘maybe someday he could make his own rules’, the writers seemed to be hinting at this. I think you’re looking to much into it if you want to know every rule and see them spelled out. The writers aren’t going to give us that. I think Ben and Widmore had rules between them that mirrored the rules of the protector, but Ben and Widmore’s rules weren’t made with magic, and therefor could be broken.

  164. LostLove says:

    [quote comment="374778"][quote comment="374775"]I think there was a clue that Rose and Bernard are “past the bamboo” where Jack said nothing is out there. Rose and Bernard are ‘hiding’ there, remember the last time we saw them they were ‘hiding’ and didn’t want to be found by anyone. If everyone assumes the same as Jack did, then nobody would come across them.

    I think that’s where we will see them again when Jack goes there.[/quote]
    Ok. I took it to mean that’s where the light in the cave is. I assume the protector can make things vanish and reappear when they want. That’s how the lighthouse, cabin and light-cave are there and not there sometimes.[/quote]

    Agree, I believe the light in the cave is hid to all escept the protector. It’s why jacob had a lil smile when Jack said nothing is out there. Anyway, since we saw Rose and Bernard already earlier this season as discovered by some losties and others, they must be in a place that can be found, so, not near the cave. Of course they could have moved since then.
    But, why is there such interest over Rose and Bernard?? IMO, they’re pretty much a “who cares” at this point.

  165. aonghus fallon says:

    By the by – I reckon Ben and Jack both just sat the same job interview, the criteria being – have you got what it takes to be a rebel angel – ie. will you stand up to the island? Jack failed.

  166. ps says:

    I don’t think Jin, Sun and Sayid will be at the concert. They are dead on the island. What happened, happened. Sayid went with Hurley and Kate went with Des. Hurley might join the concert after assigning some task to Sayid.

    Jack will be fixing Lock. They are not needed in the concert.

  167. cyainanotherlifebrother says:

    [quote comment="374768"][quote comment="374724"]Speaking of Des~ why does the tunnel appear to change?
    When MIB first pushed him in it seemed deep. When Sayid found him it was not that deep and there was no water…
    Now that Ben and MIB are there again it appears to be deep with water in it?
    And WHO did get him out? Did Jack and company get to him, or did Miles find him.
    If Jack and co. did then I think it is interesting that he did not go with them to see Jacob.[/quote]

    Maybe I’m oversimplifying it, but wouldn’t Sayid be the most obvious choice?[/quote]

    It cant be sayid because on the sub he told jack that desmound was still stuck down the well maybe little timmy o toole helped him out!

  168. ps says:

    It is funny but..how about if Sayid blows hydrogen bomb at the concert to merge two timelines..will they live happily everafter?

  169. Mr. $tuart says:

    He chose them because they were alone? What? Sun and Jin were alone? Hurley was alone? When he was watching Kate as a little kid she wasn’t alone. When he started watching Jack he wasn’t alone. The only one that was alone was Sawyer.

  170. Belle says:

    [quote comment="374736"]If you believe Entertainment Weekly (and how can you not, thanks to the great Doc Jensen re-caps), Widmore is, indeed, dead. http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2010/04/20/may-sweeps-scorecard/

    If you take notice of the “Number of Confirmed Fatalities” section, neither Richard nor Lapidus are mentioned…

    Not cannon, but interesting.[/quote]

    I’m up in the air about Richard, Widmore and Lapidus. Richard’s attack was quick and looked to me like Flocke was just getting him out of the way temporarily. Whether it was enough to kill him I don’t know. Keamy and CO. were attacked and I think only the one guy died after they brought him back to the freighter. He was bloody and burned.

    Then there’s Widmore. We saw him fall but didn’t see his body on the floor. He’s a very smart man and knew what he was up against. It’s hard to believe he’d be so foolish. Like Ben, he always has a plan. I would expect Widmore to be a bit more savvy and be wearing a bulletproof vest. What was in those boxes in his outrigger? Did Jacob really appear to him as he said and showed him the error of his ways? Doesn’t sound like the Widmore we know but it’s very possible. Perhaps Jacob convinced him how crucial it was to come back with Desmond.

    Now this leads to Ben. He very well could have shot Widmore out of revenge for Alex’s death OR it was to fool Flocke. They made a point to show the scene where he was told where Alex was buried. The time Ben showed up in Widmore’s bedroom, Charles asked if Ben was there to kill him. Ben said no, you know I can’t do that but he was going after his daughter Penny. He did but couldn’t kill her after he saw little Charlie. Have the rules changed now that Jacob id dead? Anyway if Ben’s rage got the best of him and he exacted revenge, why didn’t they show us Widmore’s body? We will have to wait and see what really happened IMO.

    I was also curious about Widmore telling Zoe not to talk to Flocke. His choice of words were strange to me. Maybe I’m reading too much into it.

    Being a doubting Thomas here, is Lapidus really dead? I guess until I see his body or it’s confirmed I will wonder.

  171. Mr. $tuart says:

    [quote comment="374775"]I think there was a clue that Rose and Bernard are “past the bamboo” where Jack said nothing is out there. Rose and Bernard are ‘hiding’ there, remember the last time we saw them they were ‘hiding’ and didn’t want to be found by anyone. If everyone assumes the same as Jack did, then nobody would come across them.

    I think that’s where we will see them again when Jack goes there.[/quote]

    I pray that you are wrong. I don’t need to ever see Rose again. She’s by far the worst character in this entire series. She’s one of the worst characters in tv history.

  172. ps says:

    I guess things are happening in parallel and Des is trying to merge two timelines. He convinced (indirectly) Lock to go to Jack and get himself fixed. So, in FSW Jack will fix Lock and on the island Jack (or Jacob) will fix fLocke. Ben is on Lock’s side in FSW and he is on Flocke’s side on the island.

  173. Belle says:

    [quote comment="374735"][quote comment="374725"]

    [/quote]

    Well, do you think it’s kind of like Lapidus crying in front of the tv when 815 crashed, not knowing why?[/quote]

    It was Daniel that was crying watching the fake wreckage of flight 815 on the bottom of the ocean.

  174. Belle says:

    [quote comment="374663"]For what its worth,does anyone out there know latin? Jacobs incantation is audible when he’s preparing the cup.[/quote]

    Supposedly this is what Mother said. Whether Jacob said the same thing I don’t know.

    “For we do not accept this just as a common drink, but as if that (he?) should be one with me.” (Nam non accipimus hoc quasi vulgarem potionem, sed ut ille sit quasi unus mecum.)

  175. Belle says:

    [quote comment="374760"][quote comment="374754"]I’ve read most of the posts, but have yet to read any theories on why Jack had blood on his neck in the begining of the episode?[/quote]
    Try post 74 on for size. ;)[/quote]

    I looked to me as if the wound is getting bigger or at least there was more blood.

  176. DelRepel says:

    [quote comment="374791"]
    “For we do not accept this just as a common drink, but as if that (he?) should be one with me.” (Nam non accipimus hoc quasi vulgarem potionem, sed ut ille sit quasi unus mecum.)[/quote]

    “Quando omni flunkus moritoti”
    I’m a man – I can change – if I have to – I guess.

  177. echo says:

    I am so sad to see Lost go. No surprise that Jack stepped up to the plate to take the responsibility for the rest of the group. If one thing has stayed the same its Jack willing to take on the role of leader and martyr. However I think Hurley will play the role as end game vs the Smoke Locke. He really is the one with the purist heart on the show. On a brighter side of things I found this band called Previously On Lost. http://www.itsasickness.com/lounge/adam-and-jeff-are-obsessed-lost These guys recap each episode of Lost through there music. Some of the cast even came to one of there last shows. So if you are having a hard time watching the show end, have a listen to the boys recap all the excitement.

  178. way_lost says:

    [quote comment="374722"][quote comment="374713"]Anybody have a theory as to what Ben’s plan was in asking Widmore to give Miles his walkie? Where is Miles? Why did he need the walkie? Part of a Ben plan against MIB?[/quote]

    I thought about that, there must be more to that since it made no sense at the time.[/quote]
    I think Ben may have Miles go back to the barracks and find out from dead Widmore what the secret Jacob plan was for Desmond. Another bargaining chip maybe. It’s all about survival at this point.

  179. way_lost says:

    [quote comment="374789"]I guess things are happening in parallel and Des is trying to merge two timelines. He convinced (indirectly) Lock to go to Jack and get himself fixed. So, in FSW Jack will fix Lock and on the island Jack (or Jacob) will fix fLocke. Ben is on Lock’s side in FSW and he is on Flocke’s side on the island.[/quote]
    Yeah Desmond found a way for Jack to help Locke via Ben in the FSW world. On the Island Jack, Des, Ben, and flocke may be moving towards the same outcome.
    I feel kinda bad for the candidates though. Aren’t they vulnerable now that Jack is immortal…now that Jack is Jacob? I think MIB will use anything and everything possible to get off. We might or probably will see more losties die Sunday.

  180. Belle says:

    [quote comment="374786"]He chose them because they were alone? What? Sun and Jin were alone? Hurley was alone? When he was watching Kate as a little kid she wasn’t alone. When he started watching Jack he wasn’t alone. The only one that was alone was Sawyer.[/quote]

    In a way they were alone in their suffering. None of them were truly happy. All had issues, problems and/or felt tormented. Even Rose and Bernard although happily married, Rose had cancer and was dying.

  181. Belle says:

    [quote comment="374782"]By the by – I reckon Ben and Jack both just sat the same job interview, the criteria being – have you got what it takes to be a rebel angel – ie. will you stand up to the island? Jack failed.[/quote]

    How did Jack fail?

  182. Missy says:

    I missed the “flocke” comment from Sawyer, but I did like Miles’, “what is this a secret-er room,” when inquiring about the ancient door in ben’s closet. too funny.

    Do you think that gathering everyone together has any affect on merging the timelines? Eloise told them to get back to the island on 316 to try and recreate as much as possible. Could getting the same people together have any effect? What if they scared everyone while at the concert giving them all a near-death experience and enlightening them. THat would be wild! I do think Des’ electromagnetic ability is a sure sign that he’s headed for the light hole, does it not? Either that or he’ll be tangoing with smokie soon.

    It’s interesting now that Jack knows everything that Jacob knew. I wonder how Des got out of the well – If it was Sayid, you think he would have mentioned it.

    That’s all I have for now. I’ve really enjoyed reading your posts over the years. I will surely miss it. But here’s to rewatching the whole show all over again, now enlightened!

  183. enik says:

    Grrr….

    Nothing really ever came of the Michael Abaddon character, Walt grew up before the writers could really use him, and the box that produces anything you can possibly imagine, may or may not be a box or even exist at all for that matter — perhaps it’s yet another mysterious unexplained metaphor. Now I am thinking nothing will be resolved.

    I ponder things like the exact location of the island, the exact bearings Michael took to get off the island, the enigmatic numbers appearing all over the show and then not at all, turning out to be nothing more than Jacob’s hobby. This is not satisfying enough for me.

    The producers have said they have had a plan along – but they also said they have some leeway for characters to develop — or did they mean, not develop. They’ve killed off characters like Ecko and Ana Lucia (not to mention Paulo and Niki) when it was convenient for them – not me. Other characters just fell by the wayside. Don’t they owe us two episodes from the writers’ strike?!

    What ever happened to online scavenger hunts and promotional events involving real Apollo candy bars? The writers used to want to give us more. I feel the mythology of the 70’s DARMA Initiative was super groovy – but then they seemed to rush us through Dogan’s Temple (what did we gain from that) and now Widmore’s return to the island and his elaborate mission with his complex technology has also been abruptly aborted.

    Grrr…

    I blame ABC. Something must have happened with the executives that caused the producers to haphazardly fast-track the progress of the show and screw up the puzzle.

    Midichlorians?? I’m not asking for no stinkin’ midichlorians. The force of Star Wars was but one concept. Don’t you midichlorian me! The original Star Wars Trilogy was not a fraction as long as the Lost saga. Lost has conjured up too many unexplained phenomena not to explain them.

    What did they die for? I demand a re-cap show, a sequel, a movie, a book, something else! You gave me homework!? You made me read philosophy books for crying out loud. Darlton, start explaining! I don’t want Jimmy Kimmel to goof on the show, I want more show.

  184. way_lost says:

    [quote comment="374801"]Grrr….

    Nothing really ever came of the Michael Abaddon character, Walt grew up before the writers could really use him, and the box that produces anything you can possibly imagine, may or may not be a box or even exist at all for that matter — perhaps it’s yet another mysterious unexplained metaphor. Now I am thinking nothing will be resolved.

    I ponder things like the exact location of the island, the exact bearings Michael took to get off the island, the enigmatic numbers appearing all over the show and then not at all, turning out to be nothing more than Jacob’s hobby. This is not satisfying enough for me.

    The producers have said they have had a plan along – but they also said they have some leeway for characters to develop — or did they mean, not develop. They’ve killed off characters like Ecko and Ana Lucia (not to mention Paulo and Niki) when it was convenient for them – not me. Other characters just fell by the wayside. Don’t they owe us two episodes from the writers’ strike?!

    What ever happened to online scavenger hunts and promotional events involving real Apollo candy bars? The writers used to want to give us more. I feel the mythology of the 70’s DARMA Initiative was super groovy – but then they seemed to rush us through Dogan’s Temple (what did we gain from that) and now Widmore’s return to the island and his elaborate mission with his complex technology has also been abruptly aborted.

    Grrr…

    I blame ABC. Something must have happened with the executives that caused the producers to haphazardly fast-track the progress of the show and screw up the puzzle.

    Midichlorians?? I’m not asking for no stinkin’ midichlorians. The force of Star Wars was but one concept. Don’t you midichlorian me! The original Star Wars Trilogy was not a fraction as long as the Lost saga. Lost has conjured up too many unexplained phenomena not to explain them.

    What did they die for? I demand a re-cap show, a sequel, a movie, a book, something else! You gave me homework!? You made me read philosophy books for crying out loud. Darlton, start explaining! I don’t want Jimmy Kimmel to goof on the show, I want more show.[/quote]
    This is the best post yet! I was starting to think I was the only one feeling rushed. I mean they spent several episodes on Libby and Ana Lucia, even an entire episode on the expose peeps. We got maybe 2 episodes on Dogen, 1 episode on Jacob and MIB’s history, and now 1 episode on the change of command between Jack and Jacob. Kinda rushy and there are so many questions not answered.

  185. Lostcols says:

    I think Juliet is Sun’s doctor and Sawyer will be going to the hospital to check on the case because Miles has plans.He’ll ask her out and she’ll say something about going to concert for her son.Then all the candidates will be together again.

  186. enik says:

    [quote comment="374802"][quote comment="374801"]Grrr….

    Nothing really ever came of the Michael Abaddon character, Walt grew up before the writers could really use him, and the box that produces anything you can possibly imagine, may or may not be a box or even exist at all for that matter — perhaps it’s yet another mysterious unexplained metaphor. Now I am thinking nothing will be resolved.

    I ponder things like the exact location of the island, the exact bearings Michael took to get off the island, the enigmatic numbers appearing all over the show and then not at all, turning out to be nothing more than Jacob’s hobby. This is not satisfying enough for me.

    The producers have said they have had a plan along – but they also said they have some leeway for characters to develop — or did they mean, not develop. They’ve killed off characters like Ecko and Ana Lucia (not to mention Paulo and Niki) when it was convenient for them – not me. Other characters just fell by the wayside. Don’t they owe us two episodes from the writers’ strike?!

    What ever happened to online scavenger hunts and promotional events involving real Apollo candy bars? The writers used to want to give us more. I feel the mythology of the 70’s DARMA Initiative was super groovy – but then they seemed to rush us through Dogan’s Temple (what did we gain from that) and now Widmore’s return to the island and his elaborate mission with his complex technology has also been abruptly aborted.

    Grrr…

    I blame ABC. Something must have happened with the executives that caused the producers to haphazardly fast-track the progress of the show and screw up the puzzle.

    Midichlorians?? I’m not asking for no stinkin’ midichlorians. The force of Star Wars was but one concept. Don’t you midichlorian me! The original Star Wars Trilogy was not a fraction as long as the Lost saga. Lost has conjured up too many unexplained phenomena not to explain them.

    What did they die for? I demand a re-cap show, a sequel, a movie, a book, something else! You gave me homework!? You made me read philosophy books for crying out loud. Darlton, start explaining! I don’t want Jimmy Kimmel to goof on the show, I want more show.[/quote]
    This is the best post yet! I was starting to think I was the only one feeling rushed. I mean they spent several episodes on Libby and Ana Lucia, even an entire episode on the expose peeps. We got maybe 2 episodes on Dogen, 1 episode on Jacob and MIB’s history, and now 1 episode on the change of command between Jack and Jacob. Kinda rushy and there are so many questions not answered.[/quote]

    I say shop the show around to another network, call it “Still Lost,” and start resolving stuff. Once Lost goes off the air, I’m carving the 7 out of my TV dial. (7 is ABC in NYC.)

    NBC has an opening since they just canceled “Heroes” — and Fox is finishing off “24” this season. I kept my mouth shut until now because I wanted to give the producers/writers the benefit of the doubt. Now I have too much overwhelming doubt about the resolution.

  187. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="374786"]He chose them because they were alone? What? Sun and Jin were alone? Hurley was alone? When he was watching Kate as a little kid she wasn’t alone. When he started watching Jack he wasn’t alone. The only one that was alone was Sawyer.[/quote]
    Actually Jacob said they were either alone or in a bad situation, which Jin and Sun were. Hurley was alone (who was he with that you’re referring to?), and miserable about his “luck”. He had been watching a few of them all their lives is why he saw Kate as a kid. Jack was alone(who was he with that you’re referring to?).

  188. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="374801"]Grrr….

    Nothing really ever came of the Michael Abaddon character, Walt grew up before the writers could really use him, and the box that produces anything you can possibly imagine, may or may not be a box or even exist at all for that matter — perhaps it’s yet another mysterious unexplained metaphor. Now I am thinking nothing will be resolved.

    I ponder things like the exact location of the island, the exact bearings Michael took to get off the island, the enigmatic numbers appearing all over the show and then not at all, turning out to be nothing more than Jacob’s hobby. This is not satisfying enough for me.

    The producers have said they have had a plan along – but they also said they have some leeway for characters to develop — or did they mean, not develop. They’ve killed off characters like Ecko and Ana Lucia (not to mention Paulo and Niki) when it was convenient for them – not me. Other characters just fell by the wayside. Don’t they owe us two episodes from the writers’ strike?!

    What ever happened to online scavenger hunts and promotional events involving real Apollo candy bars? The writers used to want to give us more. I feel the mythology of the 70’s DARMA Initiative was super groovy – but then they seemed to rush us through Dogan’s Temple (what did we gain from that) and now Widmore’s return to the island and his elaborate mission with his complex technology has also been abruptly aborted.

    Grrr…

    I blame ABC. Something must have happened with the executives that caused the producers to haphazardly fast-track the progress of the show and screw up the puzzle.

    Midichlorians?? I’m not asking for no stinkin’ midichlorians. The force of Star Wars was but one concept. Don’t you midichlorian me! The original Star Wars Trilogy was not a fraction as long as the Lost saga. Lost has conjured up too many unexplained phenomena not to explain them.

    What did they die for? I demand a re-cap show, a sequel, a movie, a book, something else! You gave me homework!? You made me read philosophy books for crying out loud. Darlton, start explaining! I don’t want Jimmy Kimmel to goof on the show, I want more show.[/quote]
    I feel sorry for you.

  189. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="374778"][quote comment="374775"]I think there was a clue that Rose and Bernard are “past the bamboo” where Jack said nothing is out there. Rose and Bernard are ‘hiding’ there, remember the last time we saw them they were ‘hiding’ and didn’t want to be found by anyone. If everyone assumes the same as Jack did, then nobody would come across them.

    I think that’s where we will see them again when Jack goes there.[/quote]
    Ok. I took it to mean that’s where the light in the cave is. I assume the protector can make things vanish and reappear when they want. That’s how the lighthouse, cabin and light-cave are there and not there sometimes.[/quote]
    Uhhh…I too took jacob at hias word…just saying it sounds like a good hiding place. They have managed to hide for a long time.

  190. Miss lost says:

    someone in an earlier post said “who cares about Rose and Bernard?” So of all the characters on the show I realize they are minor ones, but i do think it is interesting that they should still be on the island.
    I also thought it was interesting how Bernard seemed to know who Jack was and the way he talked to him he was prompting Jack to remember.

    Here is a thought…in the end Jack and company are able to save the island. Jack asked how long he had to do the job and Jacob said as long as you can.
    what if he were to run across Rose and Bernard and in the end pass the torch to one of them…they WANT to stay on the island…what better way!
    I don’t think we have to count them out of the equation yet…

  191. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="374788"][quote comment="374775"]I think there was a clue that Rose and Bernard are “past the bamboo” where Jack said nothing is out there. Rose and Bernard are ‘hiding’ there, remember the last time we saw them they were ‘hiding’ and didn’t want to be found by anyone. If everyone assumes the same as Jack did, then nobody would come across them.

    I think that’s where we will see them again when Jack goes there.[/quote]

    I pray that you are wrong. I don’t need to ever see Rose again. She’s by far the worst character in this entire series. She’s one of the worst characters in tv history.[/quote]
    I’m afraid your prayers will likley not be answered.

  192. enik says:

    [quote comment="374706"]I have to say I feel the writers did a good job of trying to answer the major questions and many not-so-major ones as well.[/quote]

    I think they ran out of time and did the best they could under the circumstances. But don’t feel sorry for me, I actually enjoyed the series. (I’m referring to http://www.lostblog.net/lost/tv/show/what-they-died-for#comment-374806)

    I think the pace of the show could have been more consistent given more time — it was somewhat slow in the beginning and rushed in the end. The network doesn’t have enough faith in their viewers and so the writers have had to wrap things up a little too fast.

  193. (not that) Miles says:

    [quote comment="374808"]someone in an earlier post said “who cares about Rose and Bernard?” So of all the characters on the show I realize they are minor ones, but i do think it is interesting that they should still be on the island.
    I also thought it was interesting how Bernard seemed to know who Jack was and the way he talked to him he was prompting Jack to remember.

    Here is a thought…in the end Jack and company are able to save the island. Jack asked how long he had to do the job and Jacob said as long as you can.
    what if he were to run across Rose and Bernard and in the end pass the torch to one of them…they WANT to stay on the island…what better way!
    I don’t think we have to count them out of the equation yet…[/quote]

    Maybe, but they are too ‘nice’ to protect the island. I think think the writers killed them off without actually killing them off.

    My question:

    If jacob’s brother was never able to get the donkey wheel installed and working, who did?

  194. You KNows you wants it says:

    Mr. $tuart more importantly will we be seeing a “french” mother/daughter routine with Monsieur Ben? I mean come on Alex keeps impressing.

    Hi-5 for yale bound high schoolers everywhere!

  195. First Time Long Time says:

    Some thoughts on my mind…

    Ben might have Miles secretly go back to the barracks to see if he can find out what Widmore whispered to Flocke right before Ben shot him. And as I typed that, I see that it’s already been mentioned in post 178 by “way_lost.” Nice job to suggest that, because I agree with you LOL.

    We still don’t know who the “Wallace” candidate is, and if that is important or not.

    Excellent point was mentioned earlier (I forget in which comment) about how since Jacob has now passed the torch to Jack, perhaps Flocke can shape-shift again? Wouldn’t THAT open up a whole slew of possibilities?

    About Mr. Stuart’s comment in post 171, I couldn’t disagree more with your assessment of Rose. The love between she and Bernard has provided some OUTSTANDING moments in this series. Deep, emotional moments that were compelling for the audience watching. They weren’t major characters on the show, but their love story added to the show in my opinion, not detracted from it.

    I also am not sure if Bernard and Rose stayed in 1977 (remember we saw them living apart from Sawyer and company, who were with the Dharma folks), or if they flashed back to 2007 along with the other Losties after the bomb went off (end of last season).

    I just can’t believe this show is about to end! Can’t wait for Sunday.

  196. Aonghus Fallon says:

    [quote comment="374798"][quote comment="374782"]By the by – I reckon Ben and Jack both just sat the same job interview, the criteria being – have you got what it takes to be a rebel angel – ie. will you stand up to the island? Jack failed.[/quote]

    How did Jack fail?[/quote]

    Both Flocke and Jacob asked their respective acolytes to do something. But the ‘test’ isn’t really about following orders. It’s about disobeying them. Remember Jacob’s contempt for Ben when Ben pointed out he’d done everything exactly as he was told?
    This time, Ben played along, but still apparently has an agenda of his own. Otherwise, why ask for the walkie-talkies?
    Jack on the other hand, unquestioningly embraced his new responsibilities, and so demonstrated his unsuitability as a candidate. All that stuff with the ‘magic’ water was so much hogwash.

  197. Newbie says:

    Now that we know the stories of MIB and Jacob, who was in the cabin whispering “Help me,” when Locke visited it for the first time? Was it Jacob or MIB? Ben has been saying that the smoke monster was summoning him. Could the cabin be MIB’s, since we saw Christian inside it? On the other hand, the cabin is where Locke was when Jacob told him to move the island, so that would imply that it’s Jacob’s. I’m confused!

    Also, why did Smokey in Season 2 (I think) spit Locke out of the hole after he dragged him in; why didn’t Smokey just kill him then? Did he know then that Locke would be his loophole?

    Also, could Jacob take the form of dead people like MIB? Was he Christian on the freighter appearing to Michael when he said “I release you now,” just before the bomb went off? Or was that MIB, as MIB has claimed? If so, why would MIB want to blow up the freighter?

    Like a lot of people on this blog..where’s Walt? Do you think Walt will be the final candidate after Jack?

  198. Newbie says:

    [quote comment="374703"]“See you in another life, brother.”

    How about that Desmond? His hand must be super bruised by now.

    I am so worried: island under the sea—and so hopeful: better lives, better choices in FSW–for the ending of the show.

    I actually love the idea of a big ensemble ending, with our fav’s at the ‘concert’, and maybe the Light is now carried between all of them–ok, going metaphysical with that one, but it kinda would have the grandeur/mystical/positive-but-not-perfect big-but-small spin I hope for as an ending.

    ; ) Liz[/quote]

    I was thinking along the same lines for an ending that would be in tune with the mystical nature of the show. As you said, instead of the island being the vessel of the light, our characters would, after this saga has come to pass, be the vessels. That even though the island is at the bottom of the ocean, which would suggest that the darkness has escaped, Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sawyer etc. will serve as the ‘island’ in carrying and protecting the light and counteracting the darkness. How this will all happen..I have no idea!!

  199. The Kath says:

    [quote comment="374803"]I think Juliet is Sun’s doctor and Sawyer will be going to the hospital to check on the case because Miles has plans.He’ll ask her out and she’ll say something about going to concert for her son.Then all the candidates will be together again.[/quote]
    *********************************

    I think you have the best idea about Juliet yet. I too think Jules will be Jack’s ex wife – they kinda had a “thing” or attraction on the island so it makes sense to me that they would have a little something-something in FSW.

  200. KINGJA says:

    like sum other post have stated about the light being inside all the losties. now wat if the light gives them all magical superpowers and lost is just the prequel to HEROES!! LOL!! but u neva know wit lost

  201. justguessing says:

    [quote comment="374775"]I think there was a clue that Rose and Bernard are “past the bamboo” where Jack said nothing is out there. Rose and Bernard are ‘hiding’ there, remember the last time we saw them they were ‘hiding’ and didn’t want to be found by anyone. If everyone assumes the same as Jack did, then nobody would come across them.

    I think that’s where we will see them again when Jack goes there.[/quote]
    I dont know if Rose and Bernard are where the light is but I do think they are enlightened. I am not so quick to disregard them as most people are. They were on the 815 flight and they are not dead yet. They also chose to stay on the island when the others left. Rose told Sawyer that you guys are trying so hard to get back to a life that you were unhappy w/ anyway. Kinda the same thing Jacob said. And on the second flight Rose told Jack “you can let go now”. Even though it was after turbulence we see that those choice of words were key because its what Jack told Locke and what Desmond told Ben thats what he was trying to get Locke to do. I also think that it was Bernard and Rose who hepled Desmond get out. Who else is there? Sayid said he was still down there. And Rose, like Locke was given a gift by the island. I just dont think you can disregard them yet.

  202. Jason says:

    I know people have different theories on this, but it will really bug me if they don’t revisit the Christian=MIB thing. I know MIB said he was posing as Christian, but it makes no sense for him to be in Jack’s hospital if he can’t leave the island. It just really bugs me and I hope the writers don’t let that go.

  203. Pterradon says:

    [quote comment="374819"]like sum other post have stated about the light being inside all the losties. now wat if the light gives them all magical superpowers and lost is just the prequel to HEROES!! LOL!! but u neva know wit lost[/quote]
    So what will their magical superpowers be?
    Jack – the ability to live forever. (not sure what you do with that)
    Sawyer – the ability to instantly give you a nickname and disarm you with sarcasm.
    Hurley – the ability to eat without losing weight.
    Desmond – the ability to relate to anyone. (as their brother)
    Who else…

  204. Jake328 says:

    [quote comment="374780"][quote comment="374761"][quote comment="374750"][quote comment="374732"]I’m sorry I’m posting an idea that’s already been posted. I skimmed through so I’m sure I’ve missed a lot. I’m a long time reader. This is my second post. Hammer and PJ Sander, I think you two are brilliant!
    I think Jack knows how to kill Smokie. Of course he is enlightened now that he took the drink. I liked the expression on his face…the aha moment.[/quote]
    Well thanks betsy.

    Agree Jack had an aha moment, but I wonder if the rules have changed. Can Jack kill MIB even though he is Jacob’s replacement?[/quote]

    That’s another thing, I guess we get how the game started and the “rules” spelled out on Sunday, I thought for sure it would have been last night’s episode.[/quote]
    I think the story has told us that the protector gets to make whatever rules they want simply because they have magical powers once they drink the enchanted liquid. For instance, one of Mother’s rules was that Jacob and MIB could not kill each other. She simply made it that way because she had magic powers. When MIB told Jacob ‘maybe someday he could make his own rules’, the writers seemed to be hinting at this. I think you’re looking to much into it if you want to know every rule and see them spelled out. The writers aren’t going to give us that. I think Ben and Widmore had rules between them that mirrored the rules of the protector, but Ben and Widmore’s rules weren’t made with magic, and therefor could be broken.[/quote]

    You may be right but I still bet there is going to be an explanation of the rules that Jacob set up, they have referenced them too many times (the boy in the woods saying “…it’s against the rules” etc I thought when Ben was on the porch and flock walks up to him Ben was going to say “What game are you playing?” and then flock would explain. I was surprised at the “I like the feel of my feet on the ground…” explanation because I really did not look at that as a big mystery. He takes human form to manipulate people. If they explain that small point I think they will explain the rules.

  205. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="374811"][quote comment="374808"][/quote]

    My question:

    If jacob’s brother was never able to get the donkey wheel installed and working, who did?[/quote]
    I think MIB still did. He had 2000 years to work on it.

  206. Jake328 says:

    [quote comment="374804"][quote comment="374802"][quote comment="374801"]Grrr….

    Nothing really ever came of the Michael Abaddon character, Walt grew up before the writers could really use him, and the box that produces anything you can possibly imagine, may or may not be a box or even exist at all for that matter — perhaps it’s yet another mysterious unexplained metaphor. Now I am thinking nothing will be resolved.

    I ponder things like the exact location of the island, the exact bearings Michael took to get off the island, the enigmatic numbers appearing all over the show and then not at all, turning out to be nothing more than Jacob’s hobby. This is not satisfying enough for me.

    The producers have said they have had a plan along – but they also said they have some leeway for characters to develop — or did they mean, not develop. They’ve killed off characters like Ecko and Ana Lucia (not to mention Paulo and Niki) when it was convenient for them – not me. Other characters just fell by the wayside. Don’t they owe us two episodes from the writers’ strike?!

    What ever happened to online scavenger hunts and promotional events involving real Apollo candy bars? The writers used to want to give us more. I feel the mythology of the 70’s DARMA Initiative was super groovy – but then they seemed to rush us through Dogan’s Temple (what did we gain from that) and now Widmore’s return to the island and his elaborate mission with his complex technology has also been abruptly aborted.

    Grrr…

    I blame ABC. Something must have happened with the executives that caused the producers to haphazardly fast-track the progress of the show and screw up the puzzle.

    Midichlorians?? I’m not asking for no stinkin’ midichlorians. The force of Star Wars was but one concept. Don’t you midichlorian me! The original Star Wars Trilogy was not a fraction as long as the Lost saga. Lost has conjured up too many unexplained phenomena not to explain them.

    What did they die for? I demand a re-cap show, a sequel, a movie, a book, something else! You gave me homework!? You made me read philosophy books for crying out loud. Darlton, start explaining! I don’t want Jimmy Kimmel to goof on the show, I want more show.[/quote]
    This is the best post yet! I was starting to think I was the only one feeling rushed. I mean they spent several episodes on Libby and Ana Lucia, even an entire episode on the expose peeps. We got maybe 2 episodes on Dogen, 1 episode on Jacob and MIB’s history, and now 1 episode on the change of command between Jack and Jacob. Kinda rushy and there are so many questions not answered.[/quote]

    I say shop the show around to another network, call it “Still Lost,” and start resolving stuff. Once Lost goes off the air, I’m carving the 7 out of my TV dial. (7 is ABC in NYC.)

    NBC has an opening since they just canceled “Heroes” — and Fox is finishing off “24” this season. I kept my mouth shut until now because I wanted to give the producers/writers the benefit of the doubt. Now I have too much overwhelming doubt about the resolution.[/quote]
    Let’s say Fox or NBC does pick it up like Scrubs was brought back after being canceled. After Sunday night the story line is going to be all screwed up because of the “answers” and conclusions that are going to happen.

  207. Jake328 says:

    [quote comment="374808"]someone in an earlier post said “who cares about Rose and Bernard?” So of all the characters on the show I realize they are minor ones, but i do think it is interesting that they should still be on the island.
    I also thought it was interesting how Bernard seemed to know who Jack was and the way he talked to him he was prompting Jack to remember.

    Here is a thought…in the end Jack and company are able to save the island. Jack asked how long he had to do the job and Jacob said as long as you can.
    what if he were to run across Rose and Bernard and in the end pass the torch to one of them…they WANT to stay on the island…what better way!
    I don’t think we have to count them out of the equation yet…[/quote]
    How do they stay on the island when it is at the bottom of the ocean?

  208. Aggie Mo says:

    [quote comment="374673"]We still all need to take bets on who jacks ex wife is because we will surely be finding that out on sunday. Im going with juliet[/quote]

    How about Penny? Desmond is intent on going to the concert, too, and isn’t Daniel also performing at this concern, and so his sister would be there?

  209. Duke says:

    [quote comment="374658"][quote comment="374648"]
    Where is Claire?
    [/quote]
    Last time seen she was being rescued on Hydra by Locke, outside the sub. (I think)

    Question now… did he leave her there alive, or kill her? She was not on the canoe when he returned to the big island. I guess he could have dropped her off somewhere else on the big island before paddling to the dock. She may be on a secret mission for him on the big island.

    sidebar: “V” is good tonight too. It lives for another season. Saw earlier that “Heroes” and “Flashforward” are cancelled. (Sad that)
    :([/quote]
    Could Claire have been the one to help Desmond? I cannot think of anyone else that it could have been.

  210. Duke says:

    [quote comment="374675"][quote comment="374671"]I also got the feeling that Jack becoming the candidate was “to easy” or to “obviouse” but it is the end and I think all his changing that he has been doing in the season is for this reason so we might have just have to take what they are giving us. But there still might be some kind of twist.[/quote]

    It looks like it’s a done deal but you never know with LOST. Jacob told Jack in private where the light source is. He did the ritual chant and gave him water instead of wine since MIB broke the bottle. I keep thinking about the island being under water though. Will the light still need protecting or will it all end?

    So IF Ben does Flocke’s killing for him, then I guess it’s lights out OR we will see a royal con by Ben that would make even Sawyer proud. I have faith that Ben is smart enough not to believe Flocke’s promises/lies. Then again you never know. Miles just had to bring up the subject of Alex. Very bad timing.[/quote]
    The island has sunk in the sideways timeline not the original timeline that we have been watching since the beginning.

  211. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="374824"][quote comment="374811"][quote comment="374808"][/quote]

    My question:

    If jacob’s brother was never able to get the donkey wheel installed and working, who did?[/quote]
    I think MIB still did. He had 2000 years to work on it.[/quote]
    2000 years to push others into doing it for him.

  212. Duke says:

    [quote comment="374679"]The concert they are going to is the wedding/party that Charley was hired to play at Whitmore’s house right? I think that they will all be back together at the wedding/party and that end will coincide with the ending on the Island. I think Claire saved Des and I think Hurley will some how end up being the one to protect the Island. One last note, could Jack and Ben be the 2 new Jacob & Man in Black?[/quote]

    The concert is David’s at the school where Jack reconciled with him earlier in the season. Why would all these people be going to a Widmore hosted party? David certainly would have no idea about those people. It has to be some place everyone can go. A school concert is open to the public and you presumably do not have to be on a guest list.

  213. Duke says:

    [quote comment="374689"][quote comment="374677"][quote comment="374673"]We still all need to take bets on who jacks ex wife is because we will surely be finding that out on sunday. Im going with juliet[/quote]

    Think shocking. Hopefully its an adam and eve revelation as in NO IDEA it coulda been her.[/quote]
    IMO, Juliet…couldn’t be more obvious. Sawyer and Juliet still haven’t had the ‘go dutch for coffee’ scene.
    (Jack’s ex-wife Juliet meets cop Sawyer at the concert, which is quite similar to the TT in the 70’s when Sawyer was a ‘cop’ for DHARMA.)[/quote]
    How are Kate and Sayid going to explain to Sawyer that they are at the concert? He wouldn’t let Kate go and will obviously remember her.

  214. Miss lost says:

    [quote comment="374828"][quote comment="374658"][quote comment="374648"]
    Where is Claire?
    [/quote]
    Last time seen she was being rescued on Hydra by Locke, outside the sub. (I think)

    Question now… did he leave her there alive, or kill her? She was not on the canoe when he returned to the big island. I guess he could have dropped her off somewhere else on the big island before paddling to the dock. She may be on a secret mission for him on the big island.

    sidebar: “V” is good tonight too. It lives for another season. Saw earlier that “Heroes” and “Flashforward” are cancelled. (Sad that)
    :([/quote]
    Could Claire have been the one to help Desmond? I cannot think of anyone else that it could have been.[/quote]
    *************
    I think she is on the other island so i don’t think it is going to be her.

    It could have been Jack and Company and they just didn’t bring Des to meet Jacob because Des is already enlightened and knows what he needs to do.

    It could have been Miles who went into the jungle…

    it could have been widmore and Zoe…

    it could have been boy Jacob who was obviously not just a ghost…he was capable of physically grabbing his ashes from Hurley…

  215. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="374831"][quote comment="374679"]The concert they are going to is the wedding/party that Charley was hired to play at Whitmore’s house right? I think that they will all be back together at the wedding/party and that end will coincide with the ending on the Island. I think Claire saved Des and I think Hurley will some how end up being the one to protect the Island. One last note, could Jack and Ben be the 2 new Jacob & Man in Black?[/quote]

    The concert is David’s at the school where Jack reconciled with him earlier in the season. Why would all these people be going to a Widmore hosted party? David certainly would have no idea about those people. It has to be some place everyone can go. A school concert is open to the public and you presumably do not have to be on a guest list.[/quote]
    Not saying you are wrong, but IMO Eloise ‘knows’ them all, even in the FSW…just sayin.

  216. Newbie says:

    [quote comment="374834"]
    Not saying you are wrong, but IMO Eloise ‘knows’ them all, even in the FSW…just sayin.[/quote]

    It makes sense that she knows them, since in 2004 in FSW she would remember meeting them in 1977. But in 1977, when the hydrogen bomb exploded which set off FSW, what happened to Eloise? Wouldn’t she have died or tt’d to 2007? I can’t get my head around how she’s in LA in 2004?

  217. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="374835"][quote comment="374834"]
    Not saying you are wrong, but IMO Eloise ‘knows’ them all, even in the FSW…just sayin.[/quote]

    It makes sense that she knows them, since in 2004 in FSW she would remember meeting them in 1977. But in 1977, when the hydrogen bomb exploded which set off FSW, what happened to Eloise? Wouldn’t she have died or tt’d to 2007? I can’t get my head around how she’s in LA in 2004?[/quote]
    Didn’t the evacuate the women and children?

  218. Miraks says:

    [quote comment="374831"][quote comment="374679"]The concert they are going to is the wedding/party that Charley was hired to play at Whitmore’s house right? I think that they will all be back together at the wedding/party and that end will coincide with the ending on the Island. I think Claire saved Des and I think Hurley will some how end up being the one to protect the Island. One last note, could Jack and Ben be the 2 new Jacob & Man in Black?[/quote]

    The concert is David’s at the school where Jack reconciled with him earlier in the season. Why would all these people be going to a Widmore hosted party? David certainly would have no idea about those people. It has to be some place everyone can go. A school concert is open to the public and you presumably do not have to be on a guest list.[/quote]

    see comment 120
    The concert is at the museum where Miles’ dad and Charlotte work, that made Hurley Man of the Year because he donated a bunch of money, that the Widmore’s held a foundraiser for,…

  219. Miss lost says:

    [quote comment="374834"][quote comment="374831"][quote comment="374679"]The concert they are going to is the wedding/party that Charley was hired to play at Whitmore’s house right? I think that they will all be back together at the wedding/party and that end will coincide with the ending on the Island. I think Claire saved Des and I think Hurley will some how end up being the one to protect the Island. One last note, could Jack and Ben be the 2 new Jacob & Man in Black?[/quote]

    The concert is David’s at the school where Jack reconciled with him earlier in the season. Why would all these people be going to a Widmore hosted party? David certainly would have no idea about those people. It has to be some place everyone can go. A school concert is open to the public and you presumably do not have to be on a guest list.[/quote]
    Not saying you are wrong, but IMO Eloise ‘knows’ them all, even in the FSW…just sayin.[/quote]
    *************
    When we see miles getting dressed up and telling Sawyer he could come as his date…he says it is a concert at his dad’s museum. Sawyer asks if the red head will be there and Miles says ya…

    I think that the Widmores must be sponsors or donors and thus will be there…how and why the others will be there will be part of the suprise.

    I also think Eloise and Widmore know what is going on. We might also find that Ilana as well as Rose and Bernard have “awakened” as well. We know Libby, Hurley, Des, Faraday and possibly Ben and Sun have awakened or are starting to remember…I think Jack is as well but lets see what the concert brings!

  220. Seajam says:

    [quote comment="374801"]Grrr….

    Nothing really ever came of the Michael Abaddon character, Walt grew up before the writers could really use him, and the box that produces anything you can possibly imagine, may or may not be a box or even exist at all for that matter — perhaps it’s yet another mysterious unexplained metaphor. Now I am thinking nothing will be resolved.

    I ponder things like the exact location of the island, the exact bearings Michael took to get off the island, the enigmatic numbers appearing all over the show and then not at all, turning out to be nothing more than Jacob’s hobby. This is not satisfying enough for me.

    The producers have said they have had a plan along – but they also said they have some leeway for characters to develop — or did they mean, not develop. They’ve killed off characters like Ecko and Ana Lucia (not to mention Paulo and Niki) when it was convenient for them – not me. Other characters just fell by the wayside. Don’t they owe us two episodes from the writers’ strike?!

    What ever happened to online scavenger hunts and promotional events involving real Apollo candy bars? The writers used to want to give us more. I feel the mythology of the 70’s DARMA Initiative was super groovy – but then they seemed to rush us through Dogan’s Temple (what did we gain from that) and now Widmore’s return to the island and his elaborate mission with his complex technology has also been abruptly aborted.

    Grrr…

    I blame ABC. Something must have happened with the executives that caused the producers to haphazardly fast-track the progress of the show and screw up the puzzle.

    Midichlorians?? I’m not asking for no stinkin’ midichlorians. The force of Star Wars was but one concept. Don’t you midichlorian me! The original Star Wars Trilogy was not a fraction as long as the Lost saga. Lost has conjured up too many unexplained phenomena not to explain them.

    What did they die for? I demand a re-cap show, a sequel, a movie, a book, something else! You gave me homework!? You made me read philosophy books for crying out loud. Darlton, start explaining! I don’t want Jimmy Kimmel to goof on the show, I want more show.[/quote]

    It is hard not to feel that way. I felt kind of ripped when Jacob tells Kate that it was just a line of chalk on the wall. That kind of summed it up for me. They can take anythng they want and make it meaningless and insignificant because they create the show, not us the viewers. That’s tough.

    I think we may see alot of what we saw when Star Wars ended, as far as releasing anecdotal items, like writer’s notebooks, storyboard books, The Flora of Lost,etc.

  221. Miss lost says:

    [quote comment="374836"][quote comment="374835"][quote comment="374834"]
    Not saying you are wrong, but IMO Eloise ‘knows’ them all, even in the FSW…just sayin.[/quote]

    It makes sense that she knows them, since in 2004 in FSW she would remember meeting them in 1977. But in 1977, when the hydrogen bomb exploded which set off FSW, what happened to Eloise? Wouldn’t she have died or tt’d to 2007? I can’t get my head around how she’s in LA in 2004?[/quote]
    Didn’t the evacuate the women and children?[/quote]
    ************
    We know for sure they were doing that for the Dharma people but we didn’t really get to know what happened to the others at the time the bomb went off.
    It sure seems like there was a mass exodus though since we know that in FSW Miles and his father, Ben and his father, and at least Ethan got off the island!
    Obviusly Eloise got off too…

  222. Guttahman says:

    [quote comment="374836"][quote comment="374835"][quote comment="374834"]
    Not saying you are wrong, but IMO Eloise ‘knows’ them all, even in the FSW…just sayin.[/quote]

    It makes sense that she knows them, since in 2004 in FSW she would remember meeting them in 1977. But in 1977, when the hydrogen bomb exploded which set off FSW, what happened to Eloise? Wouldn’t she have died or tt’d to 2007? I can’t get my head around how she’s in LA in 2004?[/quote]
    Didn’t the evacuate the women and children?[/quote]

    They evacuated all the Dharma women and children, not the others….Although I think the electromagnetic energy contained the blast, if there even was one, so no one on the island was actually hurt by the explosion. For instance, Juliet should have been obliterated since she is the one who actually activated the bomb but instead she died presumably from the fall down the hole.

  223. Seajam says:

    [quote comment="374836"][quote comment="374835"][quote comment="374834"]
    Not saying you are wrong, but IMO Eloise ‘knows’ them all, even in the FSW…just sayin.[/quote]

    It makes sense that she knows them, since in 2004 in FSW she would remember meeting them in 1977. But in 1977, when the hydrogen bomb exploded which set off FSW, what happened to Eloise? Wouldn’t she have died or tt’d to 2007? I can’t get my head around how she’s in LA in 2004?[/quote]
    Didn’t the evacuate the women and children?[/quote]

    Did we ever see that? We know Dr. Chan helped to evacuate the DI W&C but did the Hostiles evacuate as well? The last I remember, Richard knocked out Eloise to protect her but I don’t remember if he said he would evacuate. Come to think of it, Richard and Co. were pretty okay with Sayid and Jack blowing up the bomb. Was there a reason for that that I’m not remembering.

  224. Newbie says:

    [quote comment="374836"][quote comment="374835"][quote comment="374834"]
    Not saying you are wrong, but IMO Eloise ‘knows’ them all, even in the FSW…just sayin.[/quote]

    It makes sense that she knows them, since in 2004 in FSW she would remember meeting them in 1977. But in 1977, when the hydrogen bomb exploded which set off FSW, what happened to Eloise? Wouldn’t she have died or tt’d to 2007? I can’t get my head around how she’s in LA in 2004?[/quote]
    Didn’t the evacuate the women and children?[/quote]

    Oh right! Thanks. Forgot about that. But didn’t Miles mention in the latest episode that he has a concert to go at his dad’s museum? But his dad didn’t get on that sub, right? Wasn’t he there at the Swan when the hydrogen bomb exploded?

  225. Seajam says:

    Jeez… all these like minds responding at once!!

  226. Miss lost says:

    [quote comment="374844"]Jeez… all these like minds responding at once!![/quote]
    ***********
    Funny…I was thinking the same thing:)

  227. WTF says:

    [quote comment="374669"][quote comment="374665"]Richard is dead? I don’t buy it, unless Jacob finally going away for good relates to Richard not making it. I mean, isn’t it a fact that he can’t die? He just got tossed aside, that’s all.[/quote]

    It’s not that he can’t die, but that he can’t kill himself. (I don’t think he’s dead either.)[/quote]

    He can’t die. In the episode all about Richard, Jacob asked him what he wanted and he said “I want my wife back” And he said that’s not possible. So Richard said “Then I want to never die” and Jacob said “That’s something I can do”.

  228. Newbie says:

    [quote comment="374845"][quote comment="374844"]Jeez… all these like minds responding at once!![/quote]
    ***********
    Funny…I was thinking the same thing:)[/quote] :) AS soon as I posted my latest post I remembered that it was only the Dharma folk who got evacuated. Then I saw all those posts out there :)

    I too don’t remember why Richard was inclined to blow up the bomb. Eloise was because she just got that diary from Faraday with why they need to detonate it. May be she passed on the mssg. to Richard.

  229. Miss lost says:

    I can’t decide if the island at the bottom of the ocean is the doing of MIB or the losties. MIB says he is going to destroy the island and maybe that is what they have to course correct…I would think that if the island is at the bottom then the light would be out and that would be bad for everyone!
    Maybe though~ it is the destruction of the island that allows the losties to defeat MIB and that then they can return to their lives in 2004…
    There is a part of me that hopes it is the FSW world they get to return to since at least in that timeline we see our losties we have lost are alive and well!

  230. Newbie says:

    Is anyone going to attend the LOST q&a sessions at the theater?

  231. Jason says:

    [quote comment="374846"][quote comment="374669"][quote comment="374665"]Richard is dead? I don’t buy it, unless Jacob finally going away for good relates to Richard not making it. I mean, isn’t it a fact that he can’t die? He just got tossed aside, that’s all.[/quote]

    It’s not that he can’t die, but that he can’t kill himself. (I don’t think he’s dead either.)[/quote]

    He can’t die. In the episode all about Richard, Jacob asked him what he wanted and he said “I want my wife back” And he said that’s not possible. So Richard said “Then I want to never die” and Jacob said “That’s something I can do”.[/quote]
    ___________________________________
    See, that’s what I thought. I was pretty sure he said that too.

  232. ICDeadppl says:

    [quote comment="374687"][quote comment="374683"]“It only ends once”

    Island at the bottom of the sea

    How long do I have to do this job?
    As long as you can.

    dun dun duuuuuun![/quote]
    Yup, seems like the wound on Jack’s neck will be significant as to how he ‘remembers’ the OTL and maybe the battle the sinks the island.[/quote]

    I think that he will have his throat cut at some point. The wound appears to be getting larger in the FSW… The island timeline wound slowly manifesting itself in the FSW. We all know that Jack’s transformation on the Island has been a slow one. Maybe it is a symbol reflecting his slow awakening in the FSW. Season 1, Episode “Do No Harm” Jack is “just not good at letting go”. Maybe it will take something extreme (like large wound) to awaken.

  233. WTF says:

    [quote comment="374724"]Speaking of Des~ why does the tunnel appear to change?
    When MIB first pushed him in it seemed deep. When Sayid found him it was not that deep and there was no water…
    Now that Ben and MIB are there again it appears to be deep with water in it?
    And WHO did get him out? Did Jack and company get to him, or did Miles find him.
    If Jack and co. did then I think it is interesting that he did not go with them to see Jacob.[/quote]

    Sayid got him out. He went there to kill him, had that little discussion and then helped him out. I think this was kinda Sayid’s turning point for redemption after becoming “infected”.

  234. WTF says:

    [quote comment="374743"][quote comment="374734"][quote comment="374679"]The concert they are going to is the wedding/party that Charley was hired to play at Whitmore’s house right? I think that they will all be back together at the wedding/party and that end will coincide with the ending on the Island. I think Claire saved Des and I think Hurley will some how end up being the one to protect the Island. One last note, could Jack and Ben be the 2 new Jacob & Man in Black?[/quote]

    The concert is at Miles’ dad’s museum, not at Widmores. People that will be there for sure so far are:
    Miles
    Charlotte
    Dr. Chang
    Jack
    David
    Desmond
    Kate
    should be there:
    Charles and Eloise Widmore (they held a benefit for the museum before)
    and thus Penny, Faraday
    Hurley (the museum made him Man of the Year after he donated money)
    Libby (as his date?)
    Sayid
    Claire (as David’s aunt)
    Sawyer (if Miles calls to tell him their escapees are there?)

    Need to get there:
    Ben
    Locke
    Sun and Jin
    ?[/quote]

    Just because they have confirmed there attendance does not mean they will be there, I reckon jack wont be there as des has tricked him into collecting his fathers coffin.[/quote]

    Or is it David’s concert? He asked Jack “Dad you’re coming to the concert tonight right?” And then said that his Mom would be there too. And Dogan would of course be there since we saw his son at the frist concert Jack saw David play in.

  235. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="374850"][quote comment="374846"][quote comment="374669"][quote comment="374665"]Richard is dead? I don’t buy it, unless Jacob finally going away for good relates to Richard not making it. I mean, isn’t it a fact that he can’t die? He just got tossed aside, that’s all.[/quote]

    It’s not that he can’t die, but that he can’t kill himself. (I don’t think he’s dead either.)[/quote]

    He can’t die. In the episode all about Richard, Jacob asked him what he wanted and he said “I want my wife back” And he said that’s not possible. So Richard said “Then I want to never die” and Jacob said “That’s something I can do”.[/quote]
    ___________________________________
    See, that’s what I thought. I was pretty sure he said that too.[/quote]
    Until the loophole?

  236. ICDeadppl says:

    Not sure if anyone has commented on this…
    I find it difficult to buy-in to the FSW characters awakenings in the first place. If one day you got punched in the face and then had flashbacks to some other reality/timeline/consciousness wouldn’t you think you were going nuts? If others came to you with the same experience, it would be chalked up to folie à deux. I just dont’ buy it. Plus Said and Kate haven’t awakened yet, have they? Why on earth would they agree to go with Des and Hugo? A former Iraqi and a con woman/murderer would just run after being released from the paddywagon, and Ana Lucia’s departure. The FSW this season has had a few contrived plot holes IMO.

    For example: Why on earth would a pregnant Claire get back in the taxi with a crazed carjacking Kate? Why would Claire have sat patiently at the bus stop after being kicked out of the cab, and not have been screaming for the police?

  237. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="374841"][quote comment="374836"][quote comment="374835"][quote comment="374834"]
    Not saying you are wrong, but IMO Eloise ‘knows’ them all, even in the FSW…just sayin.[/quote]

    It makes sense that she knows them, since in 2004 in FSW she would remember meeting them in 1977. But in 1977, when the hydrogen bomb exploded which set off FSW, what happened to Eloise? Wouldn’t she have died or tt’d to 2007? I can’t get my head around how she’s in LA in 2004?[/quote]
    Didn’t the evacuate the women and children?[/quote]

    They evacuated all the Dharma women and children, not the others….[/quote]
    Right, sorry. I have a theory that has never been confirmed. I think that Widmore and Eloise were ‘double agents’. I think they were not only Others, but when Widmore was off island having an affair, he was also helping coordinate DHARMA in his efforts to take over and exploit the island. Since I keep that in my head, I spouted that she would have been evacuated with DHARMA.

  238. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="374855"] If one day you got punched in the face and then had flashbacks to some other reality/timeline/consciousness wouldn’t you think you were going nuts? [/quote]
    This has been played out. Libby did exactly that, checked herself into the institution because she thought she was crazy. Hugo helped her realize that she is not. But if EVERYONE did that, the show wouldn’t work well.

  239. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="374855"] The FSW this season has had a few contrived plot holes IMO.

    For example: Why on earth would a pregnant Claire get back in the taxi with a crazed carjacking Kate? Why would Claire have sat patiently at the bus stop after being kicked out of the cab, and not have been screaming for the police?[/quote]
    We are being told that in the back of their minds they know it’s supposed to happen this way(remembering slightly…feeling like you know them from somewhere), so they go along with it. The ‘funny’ looks they give are the hint.

  240. WTF says:

    [quote comment="374801"]Grrr….

    Nothing really ever came of the Michael Abaddon character, Walt grew up before the writers could really use him, and the box that produces anything you can possibly imagine, may or may not be a box or even exist at all for that matter — perhaps it’s yet another mysterious unexplained metaphor. Now I am thinking nothing will be resolved.

    I ponder things like the exact location of the island, the exact bearings Michael took to get off the island, the enigmatic numbers appearing all over the show and then not at all, turning out to be nothing more than Jacob’s hobby. This is not satisfying enough for me.

    The producers have said they have had a plan along – but they also said they have some leeway for characters to develop — or did they mean, not develop. They’ve killed off characters like Ecko and Ana Lucia (not to mention Paulo and Niki) when it was convenient for them – not me. Other characters just fell by the wayside. Don’t they owe us two episodes from the writers’ strike?!

    What ever happened to online scavenger hunts and promotional events involving real Apollo candy bars? The writers used to want to give us more. I feel the mythology of the 70’s DARMA Initiative was super groovy – but then they seemed to rush us through Dogan’s Temple (what did we gain from that) and now Widmore’s return to the island and his elaborate mission with his complex technology has also been abruptly aborted.

    Grrr…

    I blame ABC. Something must have happened with the executives that caused the producers to haphazardly fast-track the progress of the show and screw up the puzzle.

    Midichlorians?? I’m not asking for no stinkin’ midichlorians. The force of Star Wars was but one concept. Don’t you midichlorian me! The original Star Wars Trilogy was not a fraction as long as the Lost saga. Lost has conjured up too many unexplained phenomena not to explain them.

    What did they die for? I demand a re-cap show, a sequel, a movie, a book, something else! You gave me homework!? You made me read philosophy books for crying out loud. Darlton, start explaining! I don’t want Jimmy Kimmel to goof on the show, I want more show.[/quote]

    Eko was actually supposed to be a key character. But the actor that played him quit the show. That was not the writers plan. They have to have some leeway. Over 6 years, a lot can change for the people who actually work on the show.

  241. ICDeadppl says:

    [quote comment="374857"][quote comment="374855"] If one day you got punched in the face and then had flashbacks to some other reality/timeline/consciousness wouldn’t you think you were going nuts? [/quote]
    This has been played out. Libby did exactly that, checked herself into the institution because she thought she was crazy. Hugo helped her realize that she is not. But if EVERYONE did that, the show wouldn’t work well.[/quote]

    That is why it is a contrived story in FSW. The character’s reactions are very unlikely. Hugo wouldn’t have given FSW Libby the time of day if not for his romantic/sexual motivations. So I admit that his story is more believable. Everyone knows guys like the crazy chicks. Lol. To Paraphrase Jack Donaghy: Women with emotional baggage are the best in bed.

  242. Pterradon says:

    When Flocke said he was going to use Desmond to destroy the Island, I assume he is not talking about sinking the Island since that would seem to be suicidal. So is he just talking about extinguishing the light? That still won’t get him off the Island, but maybe that destroys the world somehow?

  243. Miraks says:

    [quote comment="374859"][quote comment="374801"]Grrr….

    Nothing really ever came of the Michael Abaddon character, Walt grew up before the writers could really use him, and the box that produces anything you can possibly imagine, may or may not be a box or even exist at all for that matter — perhaps it’s yet another mysterious unexplained metaphor. Now I am thinking nothing will be resolved.

    I ponder things like the exact location of the island, the exact bearings Michael took to get off the island, the enigmatic numbers appearing all over the show and then not at all, turning out to be nothing more than Jacob’s hobby. This is not satisfying enough for me.

    The producers have said they have had a plan along – but they also said they have some leeway for characters to develop — or did they mean, not develop. They’ve killed off characters like Ecko and Ana Lucia (not to mention Paulo and Niki) when it was convenient for them – not me. Other characters just fell by the wayside. Don’t they owe us two episodes from the writers’ strike?!

    What ever happened to online scavenger hunts and promotional events involving real Apollo candy bars? The writers used to want to give us more. I feel the mythology of the 70’s DARMA Initiative was super groovy – but then they seemed to rush us through Dogan’s Temple (what did we gain from that) and now Widmore’s return to the island and his elaborate mission with his complex technology has also been abruptly aborted.

    Grrr…

    I blame ABC. Something must have happened with the executives that caused the producers to haphazardly fast-track the progress of the show and screw up the puzzle.

    Midichlorians?? I’m not asking for no stinkin’ midichlorians. The force of Star Wars was but one concept. Don’t you midichlorian me! The original Star Wars Trilogy was not a fraction as long as the Lost saga. Lost has conjured up too many unexplained phenomena not to explain them.

    What did they die for? I demand a re-cap show, a sequel, a movie, a book, something else! You gave me homework!? You made me read philosophy books for crying out loud. Darlton, start explaining! I don’t want Jimmy Kimmel to goof on the show, I want more show.[/quote]

    Eko was actually supposed to be a key character. But the actor that played him quit the show. That was not the writers plan. They have to have some leeway. Over 6 years, a lot can change for the people who actually work on the show.[/quote]

    True, the writers said Ben was not supposed to be a major character either. He was only supposed to be there for one season, but the audience liked him so much they made him permanent.

  244. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="374860"][quote comment="374857"][quote comment="374855"] If one day you got punched in the face and then had flashbacks to some other reality/timeline/consciousness wouldn’t you think you were going nuts? [/quote]
    This has been played out. Libby did exactly that, checked herself into the institution because she thought she was crazy. Hugo helped her realize that she is not. But if EVERYONE did that, the show wouldn’t work well.[/quote]

    That is why it is a contrived story in FSW. The character’s reactions are very unlikely. Hugo wouldn’t have given FSW Libby the time of day if not for his romantic/sexual motivations. So I admit that his story is more believable. Everyone knows guys like the crazy chicks. Lol. To Paraphrase Jack Donaghy: Women with emotional baggage are the best in bed.[/quote]
    Soooo, if you check yourself in it’s contrived too? Make up MY mind. LOL

  245. Guttahman says:

    [quote comment="374855"]Not sure if anyone has commented on this…
    I find it difficult to buy-in to the FSW characters awakenings in the first place. If one day you got punched in the face and then had flashbacks to some other reality/timeline/consciousness wouldn’t you think you were going nuts? If others came to you with the same experience, it would be chalked up to folie à deux. I just dont’ buy it. Plus Said and Kate haven’t awakened yet, have they? Why on earth would they agree to go with Des and Hugo? A former Iraqi and a con woman/murderer would just run after being released from the paddywagon, and Ana Lucia’s departure. The FSW this season has had a few contrived plot holes IMO.

    For example: Why on earth would a pregnant Claire get back in the taxi with a crazed carjacking Kate? Why would Claire have sat patiently at the bus stop after being kicked out of the cab, and not have been screaming for the police?[/quote]

    I’ve noticed recently, more than before, that some people here and other places have been pointing out every single flaw that is in this show and trying to compare it to their own lives or a reality show….People, this is not reality tv…these people were not dropped off on an island with a camera crew expected to survive on their own. This is a scripted TV show, and because of that certain things need to happen in order for the original story to make any sense…if this were real of course Claire wouldnt get in a cab with the person who just car jacked the driver, and im sure Kate wouldnt even have made it out the bathroom, and definitely not off the elevator with a cop who sees that she is in hand cuffs…..but this isnt real…the writers have to tell a story and they have to make it believable, not just to the geniuses and detail orientated people but to the people that are not so smart and dont pick up on every single detail like when Sawyer drowns his rifle in the ocean then shoots it 2 minutes later, yeah its far fetched but so is this show…..This is a show about a “magic” island and people who dont die and smoke monsters, so why are we complaining when everyone doesnt check themselves into a mental hospital or when certain characters hold their guns wrong or the fact that not once have we seen a character use the bathroom or a female character complain about cramps and not having a maxi pad…Its a TV show people, why nitpick at it now when we only have 1 episode of the best show on tv remaining?

  246. WTF says:

    [quote comment="374854"][quote comment="374850"][quote comment="374846"][quote comment="374669"][quote comment="374665"]Richard is dead? I don’t buy it, unless Jacob finally going away for good relates to Richard not making it. I mean, isn’t it a fact that he can’t die? He just got tossed aside, that’s all.[/quote]

    It’s not that he can’t die, but that he can’t kill himself. (I don’t think he’s dead either.)[/quote]

    He can’t die. In the episode all about Richard, Jacob asked him what he wanted and he said “I want my wife back” And he said that’s not possible. So Richard said “Then I want to never die” and Jacob said “That’s something I can do”.[/quote]
    ___________________________________
    See, that’s what I thought. I was pretty sure he said that too.[/quote]
    Until the loophole?[/quote]

    But the loophole was that MIB could get someone else to kill Jacob for him. I don’t think as the smoke monster he can kill Richard. Maybe he could try and get someone else to do it for him, but I don’t think he can do it himself. Otherwise, why would he have let him live all these years? Richard has always been on Jacob’s side.

  247. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="374864"][quote comment="374855"][/quote]

    I’ve noticed recently…[/quote]
    Thank you.

  248. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="374865"][quote comment="374854"][quote comment="374850"][quote comment="374846"][quote comment="374669"][quote comment="374665"][/quote]
    [/quote][/quote][/quote]
    But the loophole was that MIB could get someone else to kill Jacob for him. I don’t think as the smoke monster he can kill Richard. Maybe he could try and get someone else to do it for him, but I don’t think he can do it himself. Otherwise, why would he have let him live all these years? Richard has always been on Jacob’s side.[/quote]
    That is your interpretation of the loophole. Mine is that it is more than just getting someone else to do it. Jacob is dead, that may mean things we don’t about yet. MIB needed Richard to help persuade people, now that he’s seen Richard talk to Isabella and chose to stay on the ‘other’ side, MIB has no use for him.

  249. WTF says:

    [quote comment="374864"][quote comment="374855"]Not sure if anyone has commented on this…
    I find it difficult to buy-in to the FSW characters awakenings in the first place. If one day you got punched in the face and then had flashbacks to some other reality/timeline/consciousness wouldn’t you think you were going nuts? If others came to you with the same experience, it would be chalked up to folie à deux. I just dont’ buy it. Plus Said and Kate haven’t awakened yet, have they? Why on earth would they agree to go with Des and Hugo? A former Iraqi and a con woman/murderer would just run after being released from the paddywagon, and Ana Lucia’s departure. The FSW this season has had a few contrived plot holes IMO.

    For example: Why on earth would a pregnant Claire get back in the taxi with a crazed carjacking Kate? Why would Claire have sat patiently at the bus stop after being kicked out of the cab, and not have been screaming for the police?[/quote]

    I’ve noticed recently, more than before, that some people here and other places have been pointing out every single flaw that is in this show and trying to compare it to their own lives or a reality show….People, this is not reality tv…these people were not dropped off on an island with a camera crew expected to survive on their own. This is a scripted TV show, and because of that certain things need to happen in order for the original story to make any sense…if this were real of course Claire wouldnt get in a cab with the person who just car jacked the driver, and im sure Kate wouldnt even have made it out the bathroom, and definitely not off the elevator with a cop who sees that she is in hand cuffs…..but this isnt real…the writers have to tell a story and they have to make it believable, not just to the geniuses and detail orientated people but to the people that are not so smart and dont pick up on every single detail like when Sawyer drowns his rifle in the ocean then shoots it 2 minutes later, yeah its far fetched but so is this show…..This is a show about a “magic” island and people who dont die and smoke monsters, so why are we complaining when everyone doesnt check themselves into a mental hospital or when certain characters hold their guns wrong or the fact that not once have we seen a character use the bathroom or a female character complain about cramps and not having a maxi pad…Its a TV show people, why nitpick at it now when we only have 1 episode of the best show on tv remaining?[/quote]

    Thank you for saying what I have been thinking ever since I started reading this.

  250. ICDeadppl says:

    [quote comment="374864"][quote comment="374855"]Not sure if anyone has commented on this…
    I find it difficult to buy-in to the FSW characters awakenings in the first place. If one day you got punched in the face and then had flashbacks to some other reality/timeline/consciousness wouldn’t you think you were going nuts? If others came to you with the same experience, it would be chalked up to folie à deux. I just dont’ buy it. Plus Said and Kate haven’t awakened yet, have they? Why on earth would they agree to go with Des and Hugo? A former Iraqi and a con woman/murderer would just run after being released from the paddywagon, and Ana Lucia’s departure. The FSW this season has had a few contrived plot holes IMO.

    For example: Why on earth would a pregnant Claire get back in the taxi with a crazed carjacking Kate? Why would Claire have sat patiently at the bus stop after being kicked out of the cab, and not have been screaming for the police?[/quote]

    I’ve noticed recently, more than before, that some people here and other places have been pointing out every single flaw that is in this show and trying to compare it to their own lives or a reality show….People, this is not reality tv…these people were not dropped off on an island with a camera crew expected to survive on their own. This is a scripted TV show, and because of that certain things need to happen in order for the original story to make any sense…if this were real of course Claire wouldnt get in a cab with the person who just car jacked the driver, and im sure Kate wouldnt even have made it out the bathroom, and definitely not off the elevator with a cop who sees that she is in hand cuffs…..but this isnt real…the writers have to tell a story and they have to make it believable, not just to the geniuses and detail orientated people but to the people that are not so smart and dont pick up on every single detail like when Sawyer drowns his rifle in the ocean then shoots it 2 minutes later, yeah its far fetched but so is this show…..This is a show about a “magic” island and people who dont die and smoke monsters, so why are we complaining when everyone doesnt check themselves into a mental hospital or when certain characters hold their guns wrong or the fact that not once have we seen a character use the bathroom or a female character complain about cramps and not having a maxi pad…Its a TV show people, why nitpick at it now when we only have 1 episode of the best show on tv remaining?[/quote]

    It is much easier to nitpick a comment. :-) There is a difference between an ellipsis… in story telling and a contrived plot. Hence we don’t see characters using the… Or woman’s monthly use of a… Heck, maybe part of the island’s magic is never needing to relieve oneself! The fact that the story is about mysterious “magical” events doesn’t mean there has to be shoddy contrived storytelling in the final season. Up to this season the show has been very character driven…by all the characters, including the previously unseen characters, Jacob, MIB as we now know him, and even the island itself as a character. The writers have let the characters drive, and now they have to tie up some of the loose ends in a series finale. I understand that is a huge task for the writers, but these instances can be very distracting from the overall plot. People have probably been picking these apart more because they have been abundant this season. Lost has taught us to get mentally involved and ask lots of questions during and after the show. It seems natural and ok that people would question the show’s plot and the means by which the plot comes to and end.

  251. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="374852"][quote comment="374724"]Speaking of Des~ why does the tunnel appear to change?
    When MIB first pushed him in it seemed deep. When Sayid found him it was not that deep and there was no water…
    Now that Ben and MIB are there again it appears to be deep with water in it?
    And WHO did get him out? Did Jack and company get to him, or did Miles find him.
    If Jack and co. did then I think it is interesting that he did not go with them to see Jacob.[/quote]

    Sayid got him out. He went there to kill him, had that little discussion and then helped him out. I think this was kinda Sayid’s turning point for redemption after becoming “infected”.[/quote]
    I disagree. Sayid told Jack that Desmond was in a well, then Sayid died. At that point, Desmond was in the well.

  252. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="374846"][quote comment="374669"][quote comment="374665"]Richard is dead? I don’t buy it, unless Jacob finally going away for good relates to Richard not making it. I mean, isn’t it a fact that he can’t die? He just got tossed aside, that’s all.[/quote]

    It’s not that he can’t die, but that he can’t kill himself. (I don’t think he’s dead either.)[/quote]

    He can’t die. In the episode all about Richard, Jacob asked him what he wanted and he said “I want my wife back” And he said that’s not possible. So Richard said “Then I want to never die” and Jacob said “That’s something I can do”.[/quote]
    Once Richard found out Jacob was dead, he knew the magic keeping him alive was gone, that’s why he went to the Black Rock to kill himself. Jacob dead = Jacob’s magic over Richard gone.

  253. Hammer says:

    Found this while lookin’ around:

    JULIET: He’s cute. Why are we doing this? Shephard will never agree to do the surgery.
    BEN: No, I can convince him to do it.
    JULIET: How?
    BEN: Same way I get anybody to do anything. I find out what he’s emotionally invested in, and I exploit it.

    Exactly what MIB does…

  254. Miss lost says:

    [quote comment="374856"][quote comment="374841"][quote comment="374836"][quote comment="374835"][quote comment="374834"]
    Not saying you are wrong, but IMO Eloise ‘knows’ them all, even in the FSW…just sayin.[/quote]

    It makes sense that she knows them, since in 2004 in FSW she would remember meeting them in 1977. But in 1977, when the hydrogen bomb exploded which set off FSW, what happened to Eloise? Wouldn’t she have died or tt’d to 2007? I can’t get my head around how she’s in LA in 2004?[/quote]
    Didn’t the evacuate the women and children?[/quote]

    They evacuated all the Dharma women and children, not the others….[/quote]
    Right, sorry. I have a theory that has never been confirmed. I think that Widmore and Eloise were ‘double agents’. I think they were not only Others, but when Widmore was off island having an affair, he was also helping coordinate DHARMA in his efforts to take over and exploit the island. Since I keep that in my head, I spouted that she would have been evacuated with DHARMA.[/quote]
    **************
    I think that he was the start of Dharma as well…and i think he may have hinted at that right before he died when he told Ben that Jacob did in fact come to him and showed him the errors of his ways…and now he was back trying to help fight MIB!

  255. Aggie Mo says:

    [quote comment="374750"][quote comment="374732"]I’m sorry I’m posting an idea that’s already been posted. I skimmed through so I’m sure I’ve missed a lot. I’m a long time reader. This is my second post. Hammer and PJ Sander, I think you two are brilliant!
    I think Jack knows how to kill Smokie. Of course he is enlightened now that he took the drink. I liked the expression on his face…the aha moment.[/quote]
    Well thanks betsy.

    Agree Jack had an aha moment, but I wonder if the rules have changed. Can Jack kill MIB even though he is Jacob’s replacement?[/quote]

    Maybe Jacob only couldn’t kill MIB because of “Mommy’s” rule that they “could never hurt each other”

    No such rule with Jack-ob!

  256. Man On Internets says:

    [quote comment="374808"]someone in an earlier post said “who cares about Rose and Bernard?” So of all the characters on the show I realize they are minor ones, but i do think it is interesting that they should still be on the island.
    I also thought it was interesting how Bernard seemed to know who Jack was and the way he talked to him he was prompting Jack to remember.

    Here is a thought…in the end Jack and company are able to save the island. Jack asked how long he had to do the job and Jacob said as long as you can.
    what if he were to run across Rose and Bernard and in the end pass the torch to one of them…they WANT to stay on the island…what better way!
    I don’t think we have to count them out of the equation yet…[/quote]

    SO MAD YOU BEAT ME TO THIS!!!

    BERNARD IS THE “MAN IN THE CABIN”!!!! HIM AND ROSE HAVE BEEN STAYING IDLE IN PEACE FOR THE PAST 30 YEARS UNTIL IT “WAS TIME”…LINUS FOUND THE CABIN AND TIED THEM UP BRIEFLY….

    ANYHOW…SO NOW JACK FINDS THEM…AS THEY ALREADY KNOW SOMEONE WOULD… they want to take over the “protector reign” but it is unnecessary because the island becomes destroyed and EVERYONE goes back to regular world….happily ever after.

  257. Miss lost says:

    [quote comment="374871"][quote comment="374846"][quote comment="374669"][quote comment="374665"]Richard is dead? I don’t buy it, unless Jacob finally going away for good relates to Richard not making it. I mean, isn’t it a fact that he can’t die? He just got tossed aside, that’s all.[/quote]

    It’s not that he can’t die, but that he can’t kill himself. (I don’t think he’s dead either.)[/quote]

    He can’t die. In the episode all about Richard, Jacob asked him what he wanted and he said “I want my wife back” And he said that’s not possible. So Richard said “Then I want to never die” and Jacob said “That’s something I can do”.[/quote]
    Once Richard found out Jacob was dead, he knew the magic keeping him alive was gone, that’s why he went to the Black Rock to kill himself. Jacob dead = Jacob’s magic over Richard gone.[/quote]
    ****************
    I think Richard may still be protected. When Richard and jack were in the black rock…the dynomite did not go off….

  258. G455 says:

    [/quote]
    I think Richard may still be protected. When Richard and jack were in the black rock…the dynomite did not go off….[/quote]
    That was because of jack I think instead of richard.

  259. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="374877"][/quote]
    I think Richard may still be protected. When Richard and jack were in the black rock…the dynomite did not go off….[/quote]
    That was because of jack I think instead of richard.[/quote]
    Bingo.

  260. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="374876"][quote comment="374871"][quote comment="374846"][quote comment="374669"][quote comment="374665"][/quote][/quote][/quote]
    ****************
    I think Richard may still be protected. When Richard and jack were in the black rock…the dynomite did not go off….[/quote]
    IMO, it’s because the island isn’t done with Jack ala Michael.

  261. Man On Internets says:

    ANOTHER MINDFRUCK EPIPHANY:

    Bernard and Rose are BOTH PROTECTORS AS WELL!!.. What if, like Fake Mother and Jacob…There can be more than 1 protector… ake mom and jacob were “the same” and together until she was killed…fMom (as i will now call her) knew MIB would try to kill her, so she used herself as kind of a decoy protector for Jacob…so what if, bak in 1977, Bernard and Rose were approached by Jacob…he made them protectors without telling anyone else, so that when this time came..he would die…making Jack the new “decoy protector” so that MIB would only create plans to kill the decoy, not the real protectors…

    Just read Bernard’s story..it seems like he knows everything when he and rose come back after the 3 yrs they spent in the jungle:

    http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Bernard_Nadler

  262. Mateo says:

    I think Richard is still protected even if Jacob died b/c it is the same as the “mother” making it so the brothers couldnt kill eachother. When she died the brothers still couldn’t kill eachother. Just because the person who cast the “spell” dies doesnt mean the spell/rule dies too.

  263. Jer says:

    Not sure if it’s been mentioned, but I believe the reason that Desmond is special (in island time) is because of the Swan Station. Being so close to the Electromagnatism (and not being allowed to leave) has given him a resistance.

    Locke may have built up some resistance of his own during his time in the Swan.

    I can’t help but think that Desmond is trying to “exorcise” Locke in the alternate timeline in order to rid him of MIB in island time. Ole Smokie will be locked away like a genie in a bottle.

    Something tells me that Jack will not be the island’s protector – I don’t know how they’ll do it, but John Locke was the perfect candidate.

    Jer

  264. G455 says:

    [quote comment="374687"][quote comment="374683"]“It only ends once”

    What if Jacob Meant to MIB u only get off the island once up til then it is only progress trying to get off..

    .[/quote]

  265. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="374881"]I think Richard is still protected even if Jacob died b/c it is the same as the “mother” making it so the brothers couldnt kill eachother. When she died the brothers still couldn’t kill eachother. Just because the person who cast the “spell” dies doesnt mean the spell/rule dies too.[/quote]
    You’re entitled to your opinion, for sure. However, it makes no sense for the writers to make Richard think he can kill himself by going to the Black Rock after Jacob’s dead. A counter to your reasoning is that rules are different than bestowing magic upon someone.

  266. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="374730"]here’s the best theory as to why XXXX is XXXXXXX – because XXXXX is going to be a guest star this season, she hasn’t shown up yet, and so what role is left for her to play in the FS?[/quote]

    [quote comment="374741"]
    Could be. Of course, I thought they made a big deal about XXXXX coming back this season, and we haven’t seen her.[/quote]

    Spoiler talk! ACK!

    : ) P

  267. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="374801"]The producers have said they have had a plan along – but they also said they have some leeway for characters to develop — or did they mean, not develop. They’ve killed off characters like Ecko and Ana Lucia (not to mention Paulo and Niki) when it was convenient for them – not me. Other characters just fell by the wayside. Don’t they owe us two episodes from the writers’ strike?![/quote]

    Eko and AnaLucia only had one year contracts. But, um… I don’t think D&C were considering each specific fan when then wrote what they did.

    Plus, we got our extra episodes (and then some) from the writers’ strike.

    [quote comment="374801"]
    I blame ABC. Something must have happened with the executives that caused the producers to haphazardly fast-track the progress of the show and screw up the puzzle.[/quote]

    Actually, this all went pretty much according to plan BECAUSE the fans ASKED for, and D&C demanded, an END DATE. Had there not been one, we still would have been working with Artz, Nikki, Paulo and Claire’s birds.

    Would things have been told differently with three 22 episode seasons, instead of three 16 episode seasons? Of course. In the end, we are still getting the story that D&C wanted to tell. Will everyone love it? Of course not. But we can choose to b*tch, moan and complain about every little nitpicky bump in the road, or we can sit down, hold on and enjoy the ride, even if some of the scenery makes us a bit car-sick.

    It is your choice.

    : ) P

  268. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="374802"]I mean they spent several episodes on Libby and Ana Lucia, even an entire episode on the expose peeps. We got maybe 2 episodes on Dogen, 1 episode on Jacob and MIB’s history, and now 1 episode on the change of command between Jack and Jacob. Kinda rushy and there are so many questions not answered.[/quote]

    This is because back in Season two, there was no END DATE. D&C knew the story arc they wanted to tell, but had no idea how long they had to tell the story, so they stretched it out with episodes which really didn’t move the story forward. Mid way through season three, they got their end date and were able to plan out each chapter in the book that would finish on May 23rd.

    : ) P

  269. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="374810"]I think the pace of the show could have been more consistent given more time — it was somewhat slow in the beginning and rushed in the end. The network doesn’t have enough faith in their viewers and so the writers have had to wrap things up a little too fast.[/quote]

    Not true. The network GUARANTEED 48 episodes for LOST more than three years ago.

    : ) P

  270. Jake328 says:

    [quote comment="374865"][quote comment="374854"][quote comment="374850"][quote comment="374846"][quote comment="374669"][quote comment="374665"]Richard is dead? I don’t buy it, unless Jacob finally going away for good relates to Richard not making it. I mean, isn’t it a fact that he can’t die? He just got tossed aside, that’s all.[/quote]

    It’s not that he can’t die, but that he can’t kill himself. (I don’t think he’s dead either.)[/quote]

    He can’t die. In the episode all about Richard, Jacob asked him what he wanted and he said “I want my wife back” And he said that’s not possible. So Richard said “Then I want to never die” and Jacob said “That’s something I can do”.[/quote]
    ___________________________________
    See, that’s what I thought. I was pretty sure he said that too.[/quote]
    Until the loophole?[/quote]

    But the loophole was that MIB could get someone else to kill Jacob for him. I don’t think as the smoke monster he can kill Richard. Maybe he could try and get someone else to do it for him, but I don’t think he can do it himself. Otherwise, why would he have let him live all these years? Richard has always been on Jacob’s side.[/quote]
    Exactly, MIB has been trying for years to get a “Ben” to kill Jacob because that is the loophole they were talking about on the beach.

  271. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="374816"]Like a lot of people on this blog..where’s Walt? Do you think Walt will be the final candidate after Jack?[/quote]

    The actor is now nearly six feet tall! (http://www.buddytv.com/slideshows/malcolm-david-kelley/red-carpet-photos-from-lost-live-the-final-celebration-92842.aspx) The writers will have to work hard to figure out how to explain Taller (not) Ghost Walt in the FSW!

    : ) P

  272. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="374839"]It is hard not to feel that way. I felt kind of ripped when Jacob tells Kate that it was just a line of chalk on the wall. That kind of summed it up for me. They can take anythng they want and make it meaningless and insignificant because they create the show, not us the viewers. That’s tough.[/quote]

    I saw the “line of chalk” as quite revelatory actually. To me, it was the writers telling us that not EVERYTHING has to mean SOMETHING. Plus, it allowed them to keep a few things hidden from us as the story played out. We got the chance to wonder, “Why not Kate?”

    : ) P

  273. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="374891"][quote comment="374839"]It is hard not to feel that way. I felt kind of ripped when Jacob tells Kate that it was just a line of chalk on the wall. That kind of summed it up for me. They can take anythng they want and make it meaningless and insignificant because they create the show, not us the viewers. That’s tough.[/quote]

    I saw the “line of chalk” as quite revelatory actually. To me, it was the writers telling us that not EVERYTHING has to mean SOMETHING. Plus, it allowed them to keep a few things hidden from us as the story played out. We got the chance to wonder, “Why not Kate?”

    : ) P[/quote]
    Actually, I thought it was quite meaningful. It was written in chalk…NOT STONE. He said he crossed her off because when she started raising Aaron and figured she wouldn’t want the job…no biggie, it’s just how he kept track of his candidates. Crossed off doesn’t mean dead, but could be. Doesn’t mean no longer a candidate, but could be……

  274. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="374862"]True, the writers said Ben was not supposed to be a major character either. He was only supposed to be there for one season, but the audience liked him so much they made him permanent.[/quote]

    As I understand it, the character of Ben was supposed to be just short arc – perhaps even a single episode. The producers were so impressed by Michael Emerson’s talents, that they changed the role to be not just “some” Other, but the actual LEADER of the Others. This doesn’t change the overall arc of the story, just the character who tells that section of it.

    D&C regularly referred to LOST as a cross-country trip. Over the course of the trip (series), you want to hit certain cities (season plot points), Sante Fe, Dallas, Memphis, Atlanta, Charleston, Virgina Beach and NYC. Which highways you take, and the pit stops you make along the way, is determined by a number of things – weather, traffic, interests. So as I understand it, while the creators said that the characters crash, encounter a monster, a hatch, the Others, the DHARMA, time travel, etc., each season’s arc, and indeed each episode’s arc, is determined by the writers.

    : ) P

  275. cecile says:

    [quote comment="374732"]
    I’m a long time reader. This is my second post. Hammer and PJ Sander, I think you two are brilliant!
    [/quote]
    Me too. Agreed. Add in the Bobola and Tarzan monolgues and you could start a newszine.

  276. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="374894"][quote comment="374732"]
    I’m a long time reader. This is my second post. Hammer and PJ Sander, I think you two are brilliant!
    [/quote]
    Me too. Agreed. Add in the Bobola and Tarzan monolgues and you could start a newszine.[/quote]
    LOL.

    Bobola with a “let’s look at this differently” view.
    Tarzan is hired, hands down.
    PJ Sander runs the show.

  277. Al Gore invented the internets says:

    [quote comment="374885"][quote comment="374730"]here’s the best theory as to why XXXX is XXXXXXX – because XXXXX is going to be a guest star this season, she hasn’t shown up yet, and so what role is left for her to play in the FS?[/quote]

    [quote comment="374741"]
    Could be. Of course, I thought they made a big deal about XXXXX coming back this season, and we haven’t seen her.[/quote]

    Spoiler talk! ACK!

    : ) P[/quote]

    technically not a spoiler since Juliet did appear in LA X.

  278. Al Gore invented the internets says:

    just misplaced logic.

  279. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="374895"][quote comment="374894"][quote comment="374732"]
    I’m a long time reader. This is my second post. Hammer and PJ Sander, I think you two are brilliant!
    [/quote]
    Me too. Agreed. Add in the Bobola and Tarzan monolgues and you could start a newszine.[/quote]
    LOL.

    Bobola with a “let’s look at this differently” view.
    Tarzan is hired, hands down.
    PJ Sander runs the show.[/quote]

    Thanks! If only we’d thought of that a few years ago!

    LOL

    : ) P

  280. wally p says:

    [quote comment="374855"]Not sure if anyone has commented on this…
    I find it difficult to buy-in to the FSW characters awakenings in the first place. If one day you got punched in the face and then had flashbacks to some other reality/timeline/consciousness wouldn’t you think you were going nuts? If others came to you with the same experience, it would be chalked up to folie à deux. I just dont’ buy it. Plus Said and Kate haven’t awakened yet, have they? Why on earth would they agree to go with Des and Hugo? A former Iraqi and a con woman/murderer would just run after being released from the paddywagon, and Ana Lucia’s departure. The FSW this season has had a few contrived plot holes IMO.

    ?[/quote]

    This is probably the MOST important aspect of the entire series… the flashes. I’ll admit though they have not come off as fluidly as before, but I think its because rather than taking the time to go back and show the entire flashbacks each character has now (which are scenes we have already seen), they have to show it in these quick glimpses,,, and rather than just sort of guessing that our characters remembered whatever, they have to confirm it with some sort of “I just saw something…” lines, which has come off odd because the concept is an odd phenomenon.

    “oh I’m not crazy?”
    “nope”
    “yay”

    But there have been exceptions here too, where they should be, and I think they are closely related to the way each character would react if in the situation.

    Kate and Sawyer: Kate knows that Sawyer knows , so she tries to get him to help her. Sawyer knows, but he also must think its crazy and knows he cant explain it to anyone else…so he says sorry, nice knowin ya.

    In the back of the van, these guys are all feelin something strange in the air. For kooky Desmond to just be like “the vans gonna stop and you will help me” and them helping, is more like they are reacting to the situation, and using the situation to their advantage, which is what I think both Kate and Sayid would really do.

    Hurley has obviously remembered much more than we saw him remember…

    Locke is always looking to believe. He may have been shirked of this emotion lately, but a couple of “signs” and Lockes right back on board.

    Jack is right in the middle of the whole thing, but will most likely be the hardest to convince of what is going on…

  281. Mabreu says:

    [quote comment="374617"]Can someone please explain last weeks episode regarding the “adam and eve” reference? why adam and eve? it was a mother and son that died.[/quote]

    They were called Adam/Eve becuase back in season 1 when they were found no one knew who they were. Just this season we found out they are mother and son.

  282. Fast Eddie S says:

    [quote comment="374894"][quote comment="374732"]
    I’m a long time reader. This is my second post. Hammer and PJ Sander, I think you two are brilliant!
    [/quote]
    Me too. Agreed. Add in the Bobola and Tarzan monolgues and you could start a newszine.[/quote]
    Agreed. Shout out to Circus Mom and wingman.
    You have all greatly enhanced the LOST experience for us all.
    Namaste and good luck.

  283. Kathy P says:

    When Jacob said Kate’s name was crossed off cause she was a mother I thought it could mean that she was David’s mom. in the FSW does caring for Aaron make her a mother? Porbably but it is just a thought. The FSW is 2004 and David is in that time line. The island time is 2007.

  284. bubbles says:

    how did the MIB change into Christian in the hospital? I thought he could not leave the island…was Jack hallucinating because of his drug use?

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  286. Rozee says:

    anyone else go to the ny times interview simulcast in the movies tonight? It was awesome. I will say no more!

  287. rowjimmy says:

    [quote comment="374905"]how did the MIB change into Christian in the hospital? I thought he could not leave the island…was Jack hallucinating because of his drug use?[/quote]
    It obvious Christian=Jacob, well maybe.
    Where’s that damn body it’s gotta be around here somewhere !

  288. rowjimmy says:

    Man I’m gonna miss you guys, wasting hours of my life a week reading this blog and over analyzing the show.What the hell are we going to do on Tuesday nights now?
    Anyone up for a game of Connect Four Million?

  289. Sassafras says:

    [quote comment="374851"][quote comment="374687"][quote comment="374683"]“It only ends once”

    Island at the bottom of the sea

    How long do I have to do this job?
    As long as you can.

    dun dun duuuuuun![/quote]
    Yup, seems like the wound on Jack’s neck will be significant as to how he ‘remembers’ the OTL and maybe the battle the sinks the island.[/quote]

    I think that he will have his throat cut at some point. The wound appears to be getting larger in the FSW… The island timeline wound slowly manifesting itself in the FSW. We all know that Jack’s transformation on the Island has been a slow one. Maybe it is a symbol reflecting his slow awakening in the FSW. Season 1, Episode “Do No Harm” Jack is “just not good at letting go”. Maybe it will take something extreme (like large wound) to awaken.[/quote]

    Could be a metaphor…things starting to “bleed through.”

  290. Nancy says:

    This whole show has reminded me of reading an Agatha Christie mystery. She always gave a plethora of clues, some of which turned out to be important; some were complete red herrings. Vital clues were usually given right before the end of the book, and the mystery was solved in the last ten pages. As with Christie’s mysteries, I gave up trying to figure any of “Lost” out and have just enjoyed the ride.

  291. Bill says:

    What about this person “Wallace” who’s name was on the Lighthouse dial. Are they coming? Who is it? Surely they can’t introduce a new character in the final episode. I’m going that Jack is not going to last too long as Jacob’s successor as these writers are way too clever to leave it that obivious. Some twist will pop up next week. Still can’t decide who his ex wife is though, Penny is a good shout and again Juliet is too obivious.
    Finally if they don’t tell us who built that bloody statue I’ll be angry!!!

  292. The Kath says:

    [quote comment="374908"]anyone else go to the ny times interview simulcast in the movies tonight? It was awesome. I will say no more![/quote]
    ****************************************************

    Yes, I went, I’m soooooo glad I went.

    On a side note. My dear friend’s newborn son is cast as Aaron in the finale! So excited!

  293. Blog Police says:

    [quote comment="374914"][quote comment="374908"]anyone else go to the ny times interview simulcast in the movies tonight? It was awesome. I will say no more![/quote]
    ****************************************************

    Yes, I went, I’m soooooo glad I went.

    On a side note. My dear friend’s newborn son is cast as Aaron in the finale! So excited![/quote]
    Um, a bit of a spoiler, no?

  294. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="374916"][quote comment="374914"][quote comment="374908"]anyone else go to the ny times interview simulcast in the movies tonight? It was awesome. I will say no more![/quote]
    ****************************************************

    Yes, I went, I’m soooooo glad I went.

    On a side note. My dear friend’s newborn son is cast as Aaron in the finale! So excited![/quote]
    Um, a bit of a spoiler, no?[/quote]

    I don’t really think that there is a question that we are going to see Claire give birth in the FSW, but I understand your spoiler concern.

    : ) P

  295. Jason says:

    [quote comment="374916"][quote comment="374914"][quote comment="374908"]anyone else go to the ny times interview simulcast in the movies tonight? It was awesome. I will say no more![/quote]
    ****************************************************

    Yes, I went, I’m soooooo glad I went.

    On a side note. My dear friend’s newborn son is cast as Aaron in the finale! So excited![/quote]
    Um, a bit of a spoiler, no?[/quote]
    Come on people!! Aren’t some things obvious??

  296. Blog Police says:

    Claire could have died, or miscarried.

  297. Jason says:

    [quote comment="374919"]Claire could have died, or miscarried.[/quote]
    ___________________________________
    Ummmm, I’m not going to nitpick here, but…Aaron is obviosuly central to the storyline…..Claire is not going to have a miscarriage. And if she dies, Aaron will still be born alive…..again, I say….some things are obvious people!

  298. Blog Police says:

    [quote comment="374920"][quote comment="374919"]Claire could have died, or miscarried.[/quote]
    ___________________________________
    Ummmm, I’m not going to nitpick here, but…Aaron is obviosuly central to the storyline…..Claire is not going to have a miscarriage. And if she dies, Aaron will still be born alive…..again, I say….some things are obvious people![/quote]

    Perhaps, but plenty of characters have been central to the story line, plenty of characters have died or just disappeared. Theres no guarantee the alternate sideways storyline will have a happy ending.

  299. Jason says:

    [quote comment="374921"][quote comment="374920"][quote comment="374919"]Claire could have died, or miscarried.[/quote]
    ___________________________________
    Ummmm, I’m not going to nitpick here, but…Aaron is obviosuly central to the storyline…..Claire is not going to have a miscarriage. And if she dies, Aaron will still be born alive…..again, I say….some things are obvious people![/quote]

    Perhaps, but plenty of characters have been central to the story line, plenty of characters have died or just disappeared. Theres no guarantee the alternate sideways storyline will have a happy ending.[/quote]
    Ok, you win…..

  300. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="374913"]
    Finally if they don’t tell us who built that bloody statue I’ll be angry!!![/quote]
    How much of an answer would satisfy you? It’s obvious that egyptians built it, no? If they mentioned that egyptians built it on the show, would that be enough for you? See how answers can lead to more questions?

  301. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="374917"][quote comment="374916"][quote comment="374914"][quote comment="374908"]I don’t really think that there is a question that we are going to see Claire give birth in the FSW, but I understand your spoiler concern.

    : ) P[/quote]
    Claire giving birth has to happen. As well as Jack’s surgery on Locke. And Jack going to the airport to p/u the coffin that isn’t really there. What I don’t get is how Jack can perform Locke’s surgery and go to the airport all in one afternoon before making it to the concert. Locke’s surgery has to happen before the concert, otherwise the concert will not be where the end takes place.

  302. Jason says:

    Claire giving birth has to happen. As well as Jack’s surgery on Locke. And Jack going to the airport to p/u the coffin that isn’t really there. What I don’t get is how Jack can perform Locke’s surgery and go to the airport all in one afternoon before making it to the concert. Locke’s surgery has to happen before the concert, otherwise the concert will not be where the end takes place.[/quote]
    ____________________________________
    Thank you! I didn’t want to argue about it anymore….

  303. Jake328 says:

    Have not watched David Letterman since the 80’s but this was funny. The Top 10 Lost spoilers told by the creators.

    http://livefeed.hollywoodreporter.com/2010/05/lost-creators-present-top-ten-finale-spoilers-on-letterman.html

  304. Miss lost says:

    [quote comment="374917"][quote comment="374916"][quote comment="374914"][quote comment="374908"]anyone else go to the ny times interview simulcast in the movies tonight? It was awesome. I will say no more![/quote]
    ****************************************************

    Yes, I went, I’m soooooo glad I went.

    On a side note. My dear friend’s newborn son is cast as Aaron in the finale! So excited![/quote]
    Um, a bit of a spoiler, no?[/quote]

    I don’t really think that there is a question that we are going to see Claire give birth in the FSW, but I understand your spoiler concern.

    : ) P[/quote]
    **************
    Maybe she will go into labor at the concert and Kate will be there…could that be their awakening?

  305. Miss lost says:

    [quote comment="374917"][quote comment="374916"][quote comment="374914"][quote comment="374908"]anyone else go to the ny times interview simulcast in the movies tonight? It was awesome. I will say no more![/quote]
    ****************************************************

    Yes, I went, I’m soooooo glad I went.

    On a side note. My dear friend’s newborn son is cast as Aaron in the finale! So excited![/quote]
    Um, a bit of a spoiler, no?[/quote]

    I don’t really think that there is a question that we are going to see Claire give birth in the FSW, but I understand your spoiler concern.

    : ) P[/quote]
    **************
    Maybe she will go into labor at the concert and Kate will be there…could that be their awakening? Can’t wait to find out.

  306. Miss lost says:

    [quote comment="374926"]Have not watched David Letterman since the 80’s but this was funny. The Top 10 Lost spoilers told by the creators.

    http://livefeed.hollywoodreporter.com/2010/05/lost-creators-present-top-ten-finale-spoilers-on-letterman.html%5B/quote%5D
    *************
    that was pretty funny!

  307. ZJ says:

    In the event any type of Christian history is being included in this show, the idea of the light being hidden being contained within the survivors might work. The light once resided in a set place (a la the Old Testament temple). The light was Holy and sacred and could not be approached by anyone without dying (a la the Arc of the Covenant and God’s presence). Once the Savior shows up, the light (God’s presence) now resides within the survivors (believers). And the need for the cave (temple) is no longer necessary. Interesting stuff…

  308. Miss lost says:

    This was an article in our morning paper…i am quoting a portion of it…
    “I confess:Lately my hopes for full “Lost” enlightenment have ruptured and sunk like Widmore’s sub. But so what? What if “Lost” goes out the way it came-trailing unresolved questions and refusing to make sense? What does “making sense” mean, anyway, in the world that “Lost” occupies?
    With the end of “Lost” will the island finally be done with all those characters? And with the audience? I’m bracing for the verdict to be “NO, not exactly.” But I’ll live with it.
    “Lost” has taken TV to a new and magic realm. However things turn out, I’ll be glad to have lived in the world it found.”
    By Frazier Moore AP
    Thought it was fitting!

  309. sector7 says:

    [quote comment="374931"]This was an article in our morning paper…i am quoting a portion of it…
    “I confess:Lately my hopes for full “Lost” enlightenment have ruptured and sunk like Widmore’s sub. But so what? What if “Lost” goes out the way it came-trailing unresolved questions and refusing to make sense? What does “making sense” mean, anyway, in the world that “Lost” occupies?
    With the end of “Lost” will the island finally be done with all those characters? And with the audience? I’m bracing for the verdict to be “NO, not exactly.” But I’ll live with it.
    “Lost” has taken TV to a new and magic realm. However things turn out, I’ll be glad to have lived in the world it found.”
    By Frazier Moore AP
    Thought it was fitting![/quote]
    I like it. Think about this: if everything is resolved, there can never be a possible continuation. As die-hard fans, don’t we really want the story to continue someday, somehow?

  310. Jason says:

    [quote comment="374932"][quote comment="374931"]This was an article in our morning paper…i am quoting a portion of it…
    “I confess:Lately my hopes for full “Lost” enlightenment have ruptured and sunk like Widmore’s sub. But so what? What if “Lost” goes out the way it came-trailing unresolved questions and refusing to make sense? What does “making sense” mean, anyway, in the world that “Lost” occupies?
    With the end of “Lost” will the island finally be done with all those characters? And with the audience? I’m bracing for the verdict to be “NO, not exactly.” But I’ll live with it.
    “Lost” has taken TV to a new and magic realm. However things turn out, I’ll be glad to have lived in the world it found.”
    By Frazier Moore AP
    Thought it was fitting![/quote]
    I like it. Think about this: if everything is resolved, there can never be a possible continuation. As die-hard fans, don’t we really want the story to continue someday, somehow?[/quote]
    How about some Lost movies?? That could be really good!

  311. sector7 says:

    Now that Jack has Jacob powers, I hope he gets a Jedi moment. So many Star Wars references it would be a shame if we don’t get to see Jack use telekinesis or something like that.

  312. Miraks says:

    Just a wild question.
    This Sunday is Pentecost, commemorating the day when the Holy Spirit descented upon the disciples of Christ. It Christian art it is usually depicted as a little fire, or light, above the heads of the disciples. The day took place ten days after Christ ascended to heaven, after having walked among his followers after his death (How long has Jacob been dead?)
    It just made me thing of when fake mom told kid Jacob that there is a light in everyone.
    Any ideas?

  313. Miss lost says:

    [quote comment="374934"][quote comment="374932"][quote comment="374931"]This was an article in our morning paper…i am quoting a portion of it…
    “I confess:Lately my hopes for full “Lost” enlightenment have ruptured and sunk like Widmore’s sub. But so what? What if “Lost” goes out the way it came-trailing unresolved questions and refusing to make sense? What does “making sense” mean, anyway, in the world that “Lost” occupies?
    With the end of “Lost” will the island finally be done with all those characters? And with the audience? I’m bracing for the verdict to be “NO, not exactly.” But I’ll live with it.
    “Lost” has taken TV to a new and magic realm. However things turn out, I’ll be glad to have lived in the world it found.”
    By Frazier Moore AP
    Thought it was fitting![/quote]
    I like it. Think about this: if everything is resolved, there can never be a possible continuation. As die-hard fans, don’t we really want the story to continue someday, somehow?[/quote]
    How about some Lost movies?? That could be really good![/quote]
    *************
    Worked for star trek:)

  314. LostGrrl says:

    [quote comment="374872"]Found this while lookin’ around:

    JULIET: He’s cute. Why are we doing this? Shephard will never agree to do the surgery.
    BEN: No, I can convince him to do it.
    JULIET: How?
    BEN: Same way I get anybody to do anything. I find out what he’s emotionally invested in, and I exploit it.

    Exactly what MIB does…[/quote]

    Time to come clean, Hammer… Are you one of the writers?

  315. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="374938"][quote comment="374872"]Found this while lookin’ around:

    JULIET: He’s cute. Why are we doing this? Shephard will never agree to do the surgery.
    BEN: No, I can convince him to do it.
    JULIET: How?
    BEN: Same way I get anybody to do anything. I find out what he’s emotionally invested in, and I exploit it.

    Exactly what MIB does…[/quote]

    Time to come clean, Hammer… Are you one of the writers?[/quote]

    Hammer, you’ve been busted! Guess it is time to ‘fess up!

    : ) P

  316. LostGrrl says:

    I WILL miss you all after next week. What will I do at work now?

  317. rhymes with huck says:

    i disagree with the aforementioned article unless the show already has plans on making a movie or a made for tv movie every soon. people always want the possibility of the show to come back in some way when there are unresolved issues on the last episode. this rarely happens. case in point is the sopranos. did tony soprano get whacked? who knows. terrible ending. do we really want another lost movie or show continuum anyways? we all wants answers not a stretched out find the pieces type show. the reality is that the show was losing the ratings momentum until it was announced that the end was nearing. people in general do not want a drawn out sequence of events as a unending tv show. imagine if the show fugitive was still on? there is a reason it went off the air. some people will knock me for not being a “true” lost fan because i request the show to end. that is not the case. i think the majority will miss the show but want closure as well. the drawn out years three and four left the show really stale.

  318. Jason says:

    [quote comment="374942"]i disagree with the aforementioned article unless the show already has plans on making a movie or a made for tv movie every soon. people always want the possibility of the show to come back in some way when there are unresolved issues on the last episode. this rarely happens. case in point is the sopranos. did tony soprano get whacked? who knows. terrible ending. do we really want another lost movie or show continuum anyways? we all wants answers not a stretched out find the pieces type show. the reality is that the show was losing the ratings momentum until it was announced that the end was nearing. people in general do not want a drawn out sequence of events as a unending tv show. imagine if the show fugitive was still on? there is a reason it went off the air. some people will knock me for not being a “true” lost fan because i request the show to end. that is not the case. i think the majority will miss the show but want closure as well. the drawn out years three and four left the show really stale.[/quote]
    _________________________________
    couldn’t disagree more (respectfully, of course) The ending to the Sopranos, in my opinion, was one of the best ever endings to any show. I love how they left it a mystery and I think that same concept would work very well with Lost. For awhile I was wondering how they were going to answer everything, but now, I don’t care. I hope they leave us wondering at the end.

  319. LostGrrl says:

    [quote comment="374939"][quote comment="374938"][quote comment="374872"]Found this while lookin’ around:

    JULIET: He’s cute. Why are we doing this? Shephard will never agree to do the surgery.
    BEN: No, I can convince him to do it.
    JULIET: How?
    BEN: Same way I get anybody to do anything. I find out what he’s emotionally invested in, and I exploit it.

    Exactly what MIB does…[/quote]

    Time to come clean, Hammer… Are you one of the writers?[/quote]

    Hammer, you’ve been busted! Guess it is time to ‘fess up!

    : ) P[/quote]

    From a Lostpedia Q&A with Darlton:

    Q: So have you ever used fan sites to gauge how well fans interpret the various answers on the show?

    Carlton: We have a couple of guys in our office whose job is to sort of… They read a broad section of the fan sites after every episode, then they sort of give Damon and I the sort of reader’s digest, synopsis, of what people responded to in the episode.

    Hmm… Perhaps Hammer and PJ are those two guys??

  320. josh says:

    I hope the mib wins and puts an end to all the oppressive dictatorship rules and laws created by jacob and his crazy foster mom. The mib is way cooler anyway and personally would LOVE to see what actually happens if he leaves the island.

  321. PJSander says:

    [quote comment="374944"]From a Lostpedia Q&A with Darlton:

    Q: So have you ever used fan sites to gauge how well fans interpret the various answers on the show?

    Carlton: We have a couple of guys in our office whose job is to sort of… They read a broad section of the fan sites after every episode, then they sort of give Damon and I the sort of reader’s digest, synopsis, of what people responded to in the episode.

    Hmm… Perhaps Hammer and PJ are those two guys??[/quote]

    Wow. That is a very nice compliment, thank you!

    : ) P

  322. Miss lost says:

    [quote comment="374946"][quote comment="374944"]From a Lostpedia Q&A with Darlton:

    Q: So have you ever used fan sites to gauge how well fans interpret the various answers on the show?

    Carlton: We have a couple of guys in our office whose job is to sort of… They read a broad section of the fan sites after every episode, then they sort of give Damon and I the sort of reader’s digest, synopsis, of what people responded to in the episode.

    Hmm… Perhaps Hammer and PJ are those two guys??[/quote]

    Wow. That is a very nice compliment, thank you!

    : ) P[/quote]
    ***************
    not that guys cannot be generic, but thought somewhere along the line from things I have read that PJ was gal, not guy? My bad if I am wrong:)

    Regardless, has been wonderful to have this blog and share ideas and read others…I too will miss reading and posting after each episode.
    I think it is funny that I read for soooo many years before I got the courage to finally post. It has been a ton of fun.

  323. Belle says:

    [quote comment="374745"][quote comment="374638"][quote comment="374634"]Lostlove……. ‘the others’ were people that jacob brought to the island and they killed people and kidnaped people. And ‘the others’ were brought to the island becouse it was a part of jacobs plan, spoken through richard. So why are they and jacob not considered bad or evil? The mib kills people well so does jacob, just not indirectly. Mib isn’t bad or good. Nobody is. There is no evil, just a made up word. Every war has 2 sides and 2 stories.[/quote]

    You’re right josh. That’s one of the reasons I feel Across the Sea was shown last week. It was a twist. We saw how evil Flocke has been acting. At the end of the previous episode they said 2 sides to the story. We got that last week. Now we feel sorry for both brothers because of what Mother did. Since we know they were human we know they had the potential for good and evil. It’s not so black and white now.

    I still think a lot of things Ben did, he did on his own and claimed it was what Jacob wanted. I think MIB was also deceiving Ben or Richard into believing they were doing Jacob’s will. Lastly, as Protector of the island, I think Jacob may have allowed things for a time hoping people would do the right thing.[/quote]

    Arrrggghhhh!!! For the last time people, (Please note: I am not directing this to any one person, just the people who seem confused in acknowledging the nature of Smokey/MIB) The BIB(bro of Jacob) was a good kid. He grew up as a decent man. He lost a little of his innocence living w/ the other humans. OK, so what, right? Right! BUT, THAT PERSON IS DEAD!!!! Body is laying alongside his murderous deceiving fake mom. His soul is the Smoke Monster/MIB/fLocke that we now see. Sure, his origins might have come from a good place, but no matter now. HE IS EVIL! The show’s creators even say that. Yet some of you people insist, “Nah, he is just misunderstood. I think I could change him. All’s he needs is a little understanding and love.”” HOLY CRAP, how PC and ignorant are you to believe this?? Now, i suppose you will say”But Jacob’s not perfect, he killed his bro?” And yes youre right, nobody (not even the show’s creators) ever said he was perfect, just good. Good people can make mistakes. Good people do feel sorry for what they have done and try to make things right. Did you see last night’s show. It describes Jacob all these years. He is sorry for killing his brother, yet feels responsible enough to the rest of the world not to let him off the island.[/quote]

    D’oh!! I messed up and posted before I was finished. I agree up to the part about Richard. There IS evil and MIB is EVIL! There’s no mistake about it. He wasn’t as a child but that changed. I previously expressed feeling sorry for Jacob and his brother because of what Mother had done. Her favoritism toward BIB is what caused Jacob’s insecurity. Mother was the only person he had any kind of relationship with except the times he visited his brother. MIB at least got to interact with other people. Jacob told Mother he’d stay with her for awhile but never left because Mother laid a guilt trip on him. Jacob had no idea what actually was going to happen by throwing MIB into the water. He said, “You want to find the light? You want to leave this place, brother? Then go.” He was truly sorry for what he did and when he put the bodies in the cave he said “Goodbye brother. Goodbye.” He didn’t say anything to Mother. I posted earlier that I believe if MIB had found the light, he would have gone in on his own. MIB killed viciously on a whim. Jacob was patient and hoped in people. All the killings WERE NOT Jacob’s wishes. Widmore and Ben killed many people for their own agenda or selfish reasons.

  324. Jory says:

    Is LOST the most hyped final season of any TV series? Check out this list of TV’s Top 10 Most Anticipated Final Seasons.
    http://tvtango.com/news/detail/id/157/lb

  325. Hammer says:

    [quote comment="374946"][quote comment="374944"]From a Lostpedia Q&A with Darlton:

    Q: So have you ever used fan sites to gauge how well fans interpret the various answers on the show?

    Carlton: We have a couple of guys in our office whose job is to sort of… They read a broad section of the fan sites after every episode, then they sort of give Damon and I the sort of reader’s digest, synopsis, of what people responded to in the episode.

    Hmm… Perhaps Hammer and PJ are those two guys??[/quote]

    Wow. That is a very nice compliment, thank you!

    : ) P[/quote]Yes. Thank you!

  326. rhymes with huck says:

    What question(s) in the last episode MUST be addressed before the show retires?

    IMHO #1:

    – Is it the Garden of Eden Jack is now protecting?

    That would be the whole basis of the show. One answer that must be answered prior to the end. It would not make sense otherwise.

  327. rowjimmy says:

    [quote comment="374950"][quote comment="374946"][quote comment="374944"]From a Lostpedia Q&A with Darlton:

    Q: So have you ever used fan sites to gauge how well fans interpret the various answers on the show?

    Carlton: We have a couple of guys in our office whose job is to sort of… They read a broad section of the fan sites after every episode, then they sort of give Damon and I the sort of reader’s digest, synopsis, of what people responded to in the episode.

    Hmm… Perhaps Hammer and PJ are those two guys??[/quote]

    Wow. That is a very nice compliment, thank you!

    : ) P[/quote]Yes. Thank you![/quote]
    Wow and you thought they had a God complex before ! LOL
    Seriously it has been a pleasure reading all this for the last few years.As someone once said, What a long strange trip its been!

  328. Belle says:

    [quote comment="374764"]

    1. Why could women not get past their second trimesters on the island? Did Jacob want them to recruit Juliet to the island?

    2. Why did the smoke monster kill the pilot? and Eko? and whomever else it killed? Did Ben summon it to do so? Or was Ben correct saying that he was the one being summoned.

    3. What was the deal with Walt? What special powers did he have and how did it relate to the island? Will he come back?

    4. Why did Ben have a list from Jacob of which Losties and Tailies to kidnap? What was their purpose? Why did he leave the “candidates” to fend for themselves?

    5. Is Sayid really dead? He went over to the “dark” side so he is really gone? Terrible exit.

    6. What about Aaron? Does he fit into all of this? Will he and Claire finally be reunited?

    7. How did Ben know what the whispers were? Did Jacob tell him? Why does Ben have access to Jacob if he is not a candidate to protect the island?

    8. Moving the island was all Flocke’s idea, I take it. Who said “help me” in the cabin when Locke and ben went in and Ben got thrown across the room?

    9. Why can Hurley suddenly see and talk to the dead?

    10. Who is Jack’s son’s mother?

    11. Will Sawyer ever meet his daughter?

    [/quote]

    1. Juliet said the immune systems of the pregnant women attacked the fetus. It seems the pregnancy problems started after the Incident. Maybe Jacob did since Richard recruited her.

    2.Probably to make the Pilot episode more dramatic. :P The last time Smokey appeared to Mr. Eko as a vision of his brother Yemi who told Eko to confess his sins. Eko said he hadn’t sinned and did what he needed to do to survive. Possibly Smokey felt he couldn’t use Mr. Eko in his plan so he eliminated him. We don’t know how many times Ben supposedly “summoned” Smokey. The smoke monster didn’t need to be summoned. Ben was correct.

    3. Walt was special but we don’t know the extent of his abilities. My theory is Walt was taken by the Others as a possible future leader. Richard and Locke met back in 1954 during one of the time flashes. Here’s the conversation.

    John: How do I get off the island?
    Richard: That’s privileged. Why would I share it?
    John: Because I’m your leader.
    Richard: You’re my leader?
    John: That’s what you told me.
    Richard: I certainly don’t want to contradict myself, BUT WE HAVE A VERY SPECIFIC PROCESS FOR SELECTING OUR LEADERSHIP. IT STARTS AT A VERY, VERY YOUNG AGE. (sound familiar?)
    Seeing Walt again would be tricky but I think we might hear something about him in the finale.

    4. I believe they wanted to keep the children safe and see if any had potential. Personally I don’t many of the lists had anything to do with Jacob at all. Most notably the list that was given to Michael. The purpose was Ben’s plan to bring Jack to operate on him. Many things were done saying “Jacob wanted it.”

    5: Exploded, every part of him is dead. Sadly.

    6. Most of us expect to see Aaron again but what role he will play is the big question. He’s been important for a large part of the story.

    7. Ben said he lied and had never met or talked to Jacob. Anything that Jacob did say came from Richard.

    8. I believe it was MIB.

    9. Don’t know. It started while he was on the island. One of the island’s special gifts?

    10. We will find out on Sunday.

    11. You never know. Maybe she will be at the concert with everyone else. Clementine’s existence would have to be under different circumstances though because James (Sawyer) is a cop not a con man. (Unless he was before becoming a cop and he drastically changed his ways?)

  329. governess says:

    You guys have the best insight….im sitting here watching all of the episodes of this last season in preperation for sunday night. Im convinced that Desmond is going to be the one to destroy the island which will make put everyone in the FSW timeline. There can’t be anyone to protect the island bc the same thing is just going to keep happening over and over….people being called to the island, killing eachother. The island has to be destroyed.

  330. Belle says:

    [quote comment="374951"]What question(s) in the last episode MUST be addressed before the show retires?

    IMHO #1:

    – Is it the Garden of Eden Jack is now protecting?

    That would be the whole basis of the show. One answer that must be answered prior to the end. It would not make sense otherwise.[/quote]

    There are some similarities and I see where you’re coming from but I wouldn’t call it the Garden of Eden. If it was there wouldn’t be any evil or wrong doing, hate, sadness, pain, jealousy, greed etc.. Adam and Eve ate from the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil. Before this they didn’t know evil. Now they had the “choice” of doing good or evil. God drove them out of the Garden before they could eat from the Tree of Life and live eternally in their fallen state. He placed Cherubim with a flaming sword to guard the tree.

    I agree and sure hope they give us more. I want to know exactly what the light is too as I’m sure we all do.

  331. DocH says:

    [quote comment="374914"]
    On a side note. My dear friend’s newborn son is cast as Aaron in the finale!
    [/quote]
    little bit of a spoiler – yes, but not grievous.

    bigger spoiler… it took three hours to surgically attach the fake devil horns to his skull.

    {:)

  332. Belle says:

    D&C on Jimmy Kimmel right now.

  333. intolost says:

    Just caught up. Desmond destroying the island totally would make sense. I agree. Yes, otherwise the insane cycle will continue. Just like Jacob’s mom said about the source. It is life, death, rebirth. The island has to be destroyed for everyone’s rebirth in the “new reality.” We see the island underwater at the beginning of the season. Yes, the story can absolutely go on …We have Jack’s kid, Sun & Jin’s kid, Aaron, Alex. If the island has existed so long, many people must have come and gone throughout the years. Geez, we could have another whole group’s story. LOST could go on forever, really. Where did Jacob and he who has no name (MIB—-I get a kick out of the nod to Harry Potter). Des is bringing them altogether in the “new reality.” They came to the island alone, empty, like Jacob said. I think in the “new reality,” they’ll be complete. I think it will totally be a happy, yet bittersweet ending. No, I don’t think we’ll completely have all our answers, but we will have much satisfaction at the finale. We have had a lot of answers. LOST is an experience. It is art. That must simply be accepted, and we will just have to let go. Can’t wait for Sunday night! Hammer, PJ, thanks for all your great posts!

  334. josh says:

    I was thinking over desmonds story and I forgot how amazing it was. From his time in the monestary (3 years) becouse he thought it was his destiny, then he gets fired and imeadietly meets penny, then he’s pushing button for many years wich he later realizes, at last second before hatch blows up, that it was his destiny to be there with the key, he gets blasted and all of a sudden has special powers that allow him to see into the future or his ‘mind’ traveling to the past to talk with faraday and now widmore refers to desmond as a fialsafe or messure of last resort………….
    Ok here is what I think….. widmores destiny was to find the island and get desmond back since he didn’t return with everyone, once he did that the island was done with him and he was killed. Desmond isn’t a canidate to replace jacob becouse I believe desmond is a canidate to replace jack!
    Jack asked jacob how long the job last and jacob told him as long as he can, so I think the mib will be successfull and kill jack but desmond will be there to protect the island….

  335. Belle says:

    [quote comment="374801"]Grrr….

    Nothing really ever came of the Michael Abaddon character, Walt grew up before the writers could really use him, and the box that produces anything you can possibly imagine, may or may not be a box or even exist at all for that matter — perhaps it’s yet another mysterious unexplained metaphor. Now I am thinking nothing will be resolved.

    I ponder things like the exact location of the island, the exact bearings Michael took to get off the island, the enigmatic numbers appearing all over the show and then not at all, turning out to be nothing more than Jacob’s hobby. This is not satisfying enough for me.

    The producers have said they have had a plan along – but they also said they have some leeway for characters to develop — or did they mean, not develop. They’ve killed off characters like Ecko and Ana Lucia (not to mention Paulo and Niki) when it was convenient for them – not me. Other characters just fell by the wayside.

    I feel the mythology of the 70’s DARMA Initiative was super groovy – but then they seemed to rush us through Dogan’s Temple (what did we gain from that) and now Widmore’s return to the island and his elaborate mission with his complex technology has also been abruptly aborted.

    [/quote]

    Killing off beloved characters is the trend the last few years on many shows. I don’t like it either but what can you do?

    It’s unfortunate Walt grew up so quickly.

    Matthew Abaddon (Lance Reddick) was busy starring in other dramas as well as LOST. He appeared regularly in The Wire from 2002-2008 and was hijacked in 2008 by J.J. Abrams, I mean cast in The Fringe. I would’ve loved to have seen more of him too. Sad as it is, if an actor only commits to so many episodes then it’s not the writers and directors fault.

    Mr.Eko (Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje) Damon said they wanted Eko’s character to be around for 4 seasons but he disliked living in Hawaii and thus was killed off. He was a great character and I wish he had agreed to 4 seasons but he didn’t. We got Ben (Michael Emerson) much longer than originally intended for which I’m very grateful.

    Ana Lucia (Michelle Rodriguez) Her problems onscreen mirrored some of her off screen dramas, including an arrest for assault, a hit and run, and a previous DUI. After this she broke her probation. Not sure how much time she had to serve.

    Libby (Cynthia Watros) She was pulled over and arrested on the same day as Michelle Rodriguez for drunk driving. She plead guilty to driving under the influence. Both were killed off in the episode called “Two For The Road.”

    As far as I know Paulo and Nikki were going to be temporary and many of the fans didn’t like them. I would have liked Boone to hang around longer but it wasn’t meant to be.

    The box WAS a metaphor. How many times has the island been moved? We don’t know. If you remember when the island was moved Daniel said he had to calculate a new bearing. It changes.

  336. LizS says:

    [quote comment="374910"]Man I’m gonna miss you guys, wasting hours of my life a week reading this blog and over analyzing the show.What the hell are we going to do on Tuesday nights now?
    Anyone up for a game of Connect Four Million?[/quote]
    LOL!

  337. aonghus fallon says:

    Re Becky’s questions.

    1. Why could women not get past their second trimesters on the island? Did Jacob want them to recruit Juliet to the island?

    The young MIB’s ability to instanteously ‘know’ stuff indicates that certain children who grow up on the island become naturally gifted, intelligent, insightful etc, and so constitute a threat to the status quo. This could be a combination of location and genetic predisposition – in which case Aaron probably represents huge, untapped potential. It also explains why MiB tried to recruit a boy army (one of them the young Flocke) in his fight against Jacob.

    2. Why did the smoke monster kill the pilot? and Eko? and whomever else it killed? Did Ben summon it to do so? Or was Ben correct saying that he was the one being summoned.

    Smokie either kills people who don’t fit the criteria as candidates (disposition, being ‘on the list’) or people turned into automatons loyal to one or other side. He killed the pilot because he wasn’t a candidate – Lapidus was supposed to pilot flight 815 – and he killed Eko for the same reason. Eko’s brother was meant to come to the island, not Eko. Smokie is also the island referee. He can be summoned but his ‘rulings’ are unpredictable. In other words, Ben can ask him to arbitrate, but Ben has no real control over him.

    3. What was the deal with Walt? What special powers did he have and how did it relate to the island? Will he come back?

    Seems to me like one or other side (or both) were trying to recruit a new army. This would also explain why Julie was summoned. Children – specifically boys – have potential, but being on the island from the get-go (ie.born there) probably increases your psychic abilities and makes you an important recruit in the battle.

    4. Why did Ben have a list from Jacob of which Losties and Tailies to kidnap? What was their purpose? Why did he leave the “candidates” to fend for themselves?

    The list was ‘persons of interest’ rather than definitive. These were people with the most potential. Kidnapping them and generally jerking them round was really just a way of testing them and establishing whether they had the right stuff to be on Jacob’s team – as opposed to MIB’s.

    5. Is Sayid really dead? He went over to the “dark” side so he is really gone? Terrible exit.

    Everybody is going to die bar the final candidate – I’m guessing there ‘can only be one’ as the other position is already filled. But who knows? I’m guessing the one person left alive on the sland will be the one person who dies in the sideways world.

    6. What about Aaron? Does he fit into all of this? Will he and Claire finally be reunited?

    Aaron was born on the island. My guess is nobody is quite sure what made the MIB so special. The fact that he was born on the island? That he grew up there? And there have been various attempts to duplicate the same criteria. Maybe you only need to be born on the island to demonstrate some unusual gift. So Aaron is strategically important even though nobody knows exactly how yet.

    7. How did Ben know what the whispers were? Did Jacob tell him? Why does Ben have access to Jacob if he is not a candidate to protect the island?

    Ben is probably lying about the whisperers. I wasn’t aware that he wasn’t a candidate. I would think that he is. In any event some people on the island are not candidates but employees – e.g. Richard.

    8. Moving the island was all Flocke’s idea, I take it. Who said “help me” in the cabin when Locke and ben went in and Ben got thrown across the room?

    The island has its own localised time-field. Turning the donkey-wheel anti-clockwise reverses it. The island’s apparent movement was simply a side-effect of this process. Ben was basically pressing the ‘re-wind’ button. Flocke (an earlier incarnation of Locke) asked Locke to help him. The Flocke/Locke storyline mimics the MIB/Jacob storyline. Although Flocke and Locke are basically the same man (Flocke was brought to the island as a boy in an earlier cycle of the ‘loop’) their relationship is more like that of two brothers – or twins.

    9. Why can Hurley suddenly see and talk to the dead?

    Hurley’s mental instability actually means he is highly empathic and better equipped to see the visions generated by the island than others. Dead is dead. None of the people Hurley sees are ‘ghosts’ in the proper sense of the word. They’re generated by the island as a way of getting people to do what it wants.

    10. Who is Jack’s son’s mother?

    Well – like everbody else – I’d have to say Juliet.

    11. Will Sawyer ever meet his daughter?

    The sideways world is the definitive reality. Anything that happened to the characters during the time they left the island and returned to it is redundant. It never happened.So if Sawyer had a kid before returning to the island, that kid now doesn’t exist.

  338. LizS says:

    [quote comment="374892"][quote comment="374891"][quote comment="374839"]It is hard not to feel that way. I felt kind of ripped when Jacob tells Kate that it was just a line of chalk on the wall. That kind of summed it up for me. They can take anythng they want and make it meaningless and insignificant because they create the show, not us the viewers. That’s tough.[/quote]

    I saw the “line of chalk” as quite revelatory actually. To me, it was the writers telling us that not EVERYTHING has to mean SOMETHING. Plus, it allowed them to keep a few things hidden from us as the story played out. We got the chance to wonder, “Why not Kate?”

    : ) P[/quote]
    Actually, I thought it was quite meaningful. It was written in chalk…NOT STONE. He said he crossed her off because when she started raising Aaron and figured she wouldn’t want the job…no biggie, it’s just how he kept track of his candidates. Crossed off doesn’t mean dead, but could be. Doesn’t mean no longer a candidate, but could be……[/quote]
    I actually like that as well–it tied in for me with the Lighthouse, when Jack smashes the mirrors of what is a truly cool object, and Jacob’s like, oh well, NBD.

    And also, though we don’t really KNOW what MIB is thinking, it does seem to lead to him discounting Kate. She’s gonna have to balance out Crazy Claire at some point–I think.

    Who does MIB have left to use? Ben–OK, a mystery, much as I’ve loved to hate him, but I do think he’ll come through, because of the whole redemption sequence, his FSW self–well, you never know with Ben. I can’t commit on that one!

    And then there’s Miles, survivor-man. Will he do as MIB wants to save his skin? Maybe.

    Richard–where the heck is he? Dead or Alive?

    Hey, Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley & MIB–it’s a Party of Five!

    “The suspense is terrible! I hope it lasts.” Gene Wilder as Willy Wonka

  339. governess says:

    When Jacob showed no emotion about Jack smashing the mirrored object in the lighthouse I think it toies back into him knowing that this is the end of summoning people to protect the island. When he told Jack to protect the island for as long as you can he knew Jack being the intelligent hero will figure out that the cycle cannot continue. Earlier in the season they all rallied behind Faraday’s plan to destroy the island to get back to LAX, but it didn’t work (loved Sawyer’s line: This aint LAX). Remember when Whidmore put Desmond in the electomagnetic room he told him that he has to be a sacrafice. I think Desmond and Jack will come up with the plan to destroy the island by Desmond going into the light.

  340. governess says:

    Even though Im backing my own theory of Jack and Desmond destroying the island, I remembered that just bc we see the island underwater doesn’t mean that its not centuries later.Who knows??? but like you all have previously posted great shows usually end with leaving their audience with something to always think about, talk about, wonder about, question about. Im really gonna miss obsessing over this. Hopefully we won’t live to say there was never a greater show on tv. The future writers of America will bless us again. *Sigh*

  341. Robjan says:

    I thought dr linus was really interesting in this last episode. After dez beat him and he saw his flashes of the other TL, there were about five other instances where or could see from the look on his face that he was recalling things. It is really quite obvious when you go back and watch again. Especially at the end when he is crying, I think he is actually recalling the LOSS of Alex rather than a sentimental feeling of being a father figure. Kind of the same thing Daniel did in the premiere a few seasons back.

    Just for fun in the episode Lighthouse, when jack went to find David playing piano, the sign outside says, “welcome candidates”. Foreshadowing?

  342. rhymes with huck says:

    I still think Linus comes through in the last episode. He is always made out to be doubted.

  343. dreyer says:

    Is episode 17 the last episode?

  344. Belle says:

    [quote comment="374969"]Is episode 17 the last episode?[/quote]

    Yes, 2 and 1/2 hour finale tomorrow night, 9PM Sunday.

    7PM Sunday before the finale is a 2 hour recap called “Lost: The Final Journey”

    Tonight Saturday, 8PM enhanced version of the Pilot episode S1.

    * East coast time *

  345. Fast Eddie S says:

    [quote comment="374970"][quote comment="374969"]Is episode 17 the last episode?[/quote]

    Yes, 2 and 1/2 hour finale tomorrow night, 9PM Sunday.

    7PM Sunday before the finale is a 2 hour recap called “Lost: The Final Journey”

    Tonight Saturday, 8PM enhanced version of the Pilot episode S1.

    * East coast time *[/quote]
    Do you think they will slip some answers into the 7:00 EDT show?

  346. brer says:

    [quote comment="374967"]I thought dr linus was really interesting in this last episode. After dez beat him and he saw his flashes of the other TL, there were about five other instances where or could see from the look on his face that he was recalling things. It is really quite obvious when you go back and watch again. Especially at the end when he is crying, I think he is actually recalling the LOSS of Alex rather than a sentimental feeling of being a father figure. Kind of the same thing Daniel did in the premiere a few seasons back.

    Just for fun in the episode Lighthouse, when jack went to find David playing piano, the sign outside says, “welcome candidates”. Foreshadowing?[/quote]

    I find it funny/interesting that 2004 FSW Ben was having flashes of something that happened in 2007 island time.. just saying

  347. Mr. $tuart says:

    [quote comment="374812"]Mr. $tuart more importantly will we be seeing a “french” mother/daughter routine with Monsieur Ben? I mean come on Alex keeps impressing.

    Hi-5 for yale bound high schoolers everywhere![/quote]
    I wouldn’t mind seeing that. I also wouldn’t mind seeing another scene of Shannon and Boone knocking one out.

  348. Mr. $tuart says:

    Watching the first episode tonight is making me laugh. They want us to believe that they knew what was going to happen from the very beginning, but they didn’t know that Walt was going to hit puberty? For real?

  349. Amber says:

    I feel such a mixture of being soooo excited about tomorrow night, and yet being soooo sad that its enidng! I mean really it has been affecting me all week. I think I have a problem. lol

  350. wade jeffords says:

    Lost. Yes they are. I think the creators of the show have dug themselves a hole they can not get out of. It is evident that episodes are made up from week to week with little continuity. Even so I do plan on watching the final season on DVD. To painful to watch without the FF button on the remote. It was a nice premise for a show, but became a parody of itself after the first season. I doubt that an apology will be forthcoming.

  351. Belle says:

    [quote comment="374981"]Lost. Yes they are. I think the creators of the show have dug themselves a hole they can not get out of. It is evident that episodes are made up from week to week with little continuity. Even so I do plan on watching the final season on DVD. To painful to watch without the FF button on the remote. It was a nice premise for a show, but became a parody of itself after the first season. I doubt that an apology will be forthcoming.[/quote]

    Now that we’ve come this far and know what we now know, go back and watch each episode from this season and you will see how it all fits together. To some people it may have appeared that the episodes were coming from all different directions but the puzzle is almost finished. Like a tapestry, the backside looks chaotic but the flip side is a beautiful scene.

  352. Belle says:

    [quote comment="374864"][quote comment="374855"]Not sure if anyone has commented on this…
    I find it difficult to buy-in to the FSW characters awakenings in the first place. If one day you got punched in the face and then had flashbacks to some other reality/timeline/consciousness wouldn’t you think you were going nuts? If others came to you with the same experience, it would be chalked up to folie à deux. I just dont’ buy it. Plus Said and Kate haven’t awakened yet, have they? Why on earth would they agree to go with Des and Hugo? A former Iraqi and a con woman/murderer would just run after being released from the paddywagon, and Ana Lucia’s departure. The FSW this season has had a few contrived plot holes IMO.

    For example: Why on earth would a pregnant Claire get back in the taxi with a crazed carjacking Kate? Why would Claire have sat patiently at the bus stop after being kicked out of the cab, and not have been screaming for the police?[/quote]

    I’ve noticed recently, more than before, that some people here and other places have been pointing out every single flaw that is in this show and trying to compare it to their own lives or a reality show….People, this is not reality tv…these people were not dropped off on an island with a camera crew expected to survive on their own. This is a scripted TV show, and because of that certain things need to happen in order for the original story to make any sense…if this were real of course Claire wouldnt get in a cab with the person who just car jacked the driver, and im sure Kate wouldnt even have made it out the bathroom, and definitely not off the elevator with a cop who sees that she is in hand cuffs…..but this isnt real…the writers have to tell a story and they have to make it believable, not just to the geniuses and detail orientated people but to the people that are not so smart and dont pick up on every single detail like when Sawyer drowns his rifle in the ocean then shoots it 2 minutes later, yeah its far fetched but so is this show…..This is a show about a “magic” island and people who dont die and smoke monsters, so why are we complaining when everyone doesnt check themselves into a mental hospital or when certain characters hold their guns wrong or the fact that not once have we seen a character use the bathroom or a female character complain about cramps and not having a maxi pad…Its a TV show people, why nitpick at it now when we only have 1 episode of the best show on tv remaining?[/quote]

    Yes, every movie or show has a few things we could nitpick at something. I take it with a grain of salt and don’t go out of my way to find things.

    We’ve seen people use the bathroom. Bernard, Hurley, Charlie and Paulo to name a few. Well Bernard went to the bathroom on the plane for the usual reason and Hurley ducked into the woods because he had the runs from eating too much fruit. Charlie and Paulo went to the bathroom to “get” something not leave something. :) Did we really want to see people constantly squatting in the woods or watering a tree? :P Other than taking a shower or shaving, not very many other shows/movies show people relieving themselves either. We now it happens, just don’t need to see it.

    I said this before about Sawyer’s gun. It’s not ridiculous. It’s not like getting a pack of matches wet. You CAN fire most guns after it gets wet. The exception being black powder weapons. I’m not talking about a gun laying in water for an EXTENDED period of time. Have you ever seen someone shoot a pistol such as a Glock underwater? It DOES shoot. I’m not trying to be gross but in Vietnam a soldier could pick up an AK-47 that was submerged in water next to a decomposing body and was able to immediately fire the weapon several times.

  353. scabfarm says:

    Hey Losties,

    Bernard Gumz has some super affordable and super weird LOST prints for sale at http://www.indiegogo.com/BYE-BYE-LOST

  354. uh yeah. stop using the vaseline, it will clog your pores. It can/will also pull ink out of your tattoo leaving blotches. you could’ve used lotion on day 1 btw. It wouldn’t

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