The End

Lost  - Season 6 - Finale - The End
Six seasons/years later, tonight is the conclusion of what is without a doubt one of the greatest television series of all time. Thanks to everyone that has contributed to this blog over the years, it has been fun engaging in and facilitating dialogue around this show. Tuesday’s episode set-up the finale quite nicely. Suprising no one, Jack emerged has Jacob’s successor. Though expected, it was still a great moment to witness in the development of the character. No less meaningful was the dialogue he had with Sawyer throughout the episode – Jack would not let Sawyer believe he was the cause of death for their friends. Regardless of what happens tonight, I am sure the finale will spark passionate debate amongst Lost fans. I am looking forward to it.

Synopsis

“One of the most critically-acclaimed and groundbreaking shows of the past decade concludes in this “Lost” Series Finale Event. The battle lines are drawn as Locke puts his plan into action, which could finally liberate him from the island.”

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907 Responses to The End

  1. cornsilog says:

    CANT.. STAND… IT.. bracing myself for the adrenaline rush….

  2. LizS says:

    Yes, thank you soooo much!!!

    So excited, and so nervous. Got my white rock and my black rock sitting in front of the TV–ready! Wishing everyone thrills and chills, aha’s, oh-no’s, and say-what’s–ENOUGH answers, and a happy ending! OK, a fitting ending– And here’s hoping for greatness!!!!

  3. PJSander says:

    To Will and those who came before him, thank you SO much for providing a spoiler-free arena for discussing our favorite show.

    : ) P

  4. Mateo says:

    Thanks to the hosts of this blog, providing such a cool format with photos every episode… thanks to all the bloggers out there who shared their theories over the years! Going to this website is half the fun of LOST and I will miss this show greatly. LOST changed television history and for the first time made the viewers THINK and theorize. Thanks to the creators of LOST and the unbelievable actors (Ben & Locke) you have engulfed us in this world and I will be forever grateful to you for the years of entertainment, laughs, action, drama and mystery.
    OK, now on with the show!!!!!!

  5. LostGrrl says:

    Echoing thanks — to this blog for providing a place that I could meet with my LOST geeks.. I mean friends. Thanks for giving me something to think about each week. I’ll miss the comraderie, and of course, this terrific show.

  6. Acadia says:

    I’m getting ready for not getting many of the things I thought were important answered. I hope the Man in Black explains why he killed Eko. Also, I hope you fellow fans find this funny.

    http://www.superficialgallery.com/sunday-funnies-lost-edition/9903

  7. DharmaGreg says:

    It’s like Superbowl Sunday for dorks! I can’t wait. Pre-game at 7, kick off at 9. I think that this season has been great. I’ve enjoyed watching this show become more and more sci-fi. I’m sure that there will be some haters on here after tonight’s finale, but that’s ok. Personally, I’m gonna need a few days to process whatever happens tonight but I’m sure it will be great. These guys aren’t going to drop the ball on the last episode, although that would be a crazy twist to end the show with.

  8. Miraks says:

    Man I’m feeling nostalgic. As much as I am looking forward to the final episode, I don’t want the show to be over yet. I will miss the show, the peole on this blog, and having something worthwhile and smart to look forward to on tv every week.

  9. Belle says:

    [quote comment=”374987″]Thanks to the hosts of this blog, providing such a cool format with photos every episode… thanks to all the bloggers out there who shared their theories over the years! Going to this website is half the fun of LOST and I will miss this show greatly. LOST changed television history and for the first time made the viewers THINK and theorize. Thanks to the creators of LOST and the unbelievable actors (Ben & Locke) you have engulfed us in this world and I will be forever grateful to you for the years of entertainment, laughs, action, drama and mystery.
    OK, now on with the show!!!!!![/quote]

    A SHOUT OUT OF THANKS FROM ME TOO. :)

    Very well said Mateo! I feel so excited and sad at the same time. Make sure you have your Kleenex ready. There’s been so many great theories and discussions from everyone. This is truly a phenomenal once in a lifetime show AND experience. Thank you!!!

  10. jen says:

    Hey guys, I just found this really funny web series “LOST at da Jersey Shore.” Oceanic Flight 815 crashes at the Jersey Shore and the guido’s are ‘The Others.” Ha check it out http://www.youtube.com/lostatdajerseyshore

  11. Hammer says:

    In addition to thanking Will, Nick and the gang for keeping this site alive for us, I want to also thank the creator. Andreas Climent is very talented young man that had to let this site go to attend to his artistic dreams.

    Check him out. http://www.andreascliment.com

  12. Mr. $tuart says:

    Hammer, how are you going to fill all your time now? Play Evony?

  13. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”374998″]Hammer, how are you going to fill all your time now? Play Evony?[/quote]
    Lol…I will truley be lost. Six years of hobby cut off cold turkey….man o man.

  14. Tasha says:

    I have been coming here since the beginning of Season 2 and I absolutely loved this place for so long. Thanks to those who created it and those who have been here for so long. I loved all the ideas and theories that people have thrown out and even in the bad times when everyone was bickering. HA! Here is to LOST tonight!!

  15. Rumblestilskin says:

    Noooooooooo!!!!!! I refuse to beleive it :(

    I hope the world ends when this episode’s over so I wont have to face the world without LOST.

  16. Tarzan says:

    LOST For Dummies – by Tarzan

    Tarzan not make worry for future of magic island.

    Tarzan make recent job application to be island protector … http://tinyurl.com/TarzanApp

    Tarzan sure will be select for position. Doctor name Jack not have Tarzan people skills.

    Tarzan see island magic man Jacob tell secret to Doctor name Jack, then drink from secret creek.

    Tarzan also know big secret about creek. That creek is run-off water from Tarzan outhouse and science camp septic system.

    Tarzan sure Doctor name Jack will feel very different — very soon.

    Science Sheriff name Sawyer make next best choice for island protector, after Tarzan. Tarzan think Tarzan make him new deputy protector. (only give one bullet though)

    Tarzan also re-hire nice man name Hurley. He take old science position as ‘chef’ — make island people eat healthy and much laughing.

    Tarzan not hire help from skinny brown hair girl name Kate. No value added to island happiness.

    Tarzan also need new help guard island. Tarzan think ask marry peoples name Rose and Bernard to run island retirement camp on North shore island. Dog name Vincent hire too.

    Only hire help one more. Tarzan think ask man talk ghosts name of Miles to become immortal advisor. Time immortal advisor name Richard make retirement elsewhere.

    Tarzan normally not endorse island violence and sacrifice. Tarzan make exception one case… man of many faces and many tongues name of Ben.

  17. cyainanotherlifebrother says:

    just seen there in the recaps when desmond has a gun on locke in the hatch it showes a close up of desmonds face with a very scared expression it looks exactly like the face when locke goes to the cabin i think this means that desmond was in the cabin and will be the new jacob and jack is just a decoy.

  18. Rumblestilskin says:

    No spoiler bullcrap. I dont even know what your talking about

  19. cyainanotherlifebrother says:

    [quote comment=”375004″]No spoiler bullcrap. I dont even know what your talking about[/quote]
    chill im just guessin not spoiling

  20. Rumblestilskin says:

    Ive paused the guy’s face in the cabin, and it def isnt Desmond.

    No need 2 make ourselves look foolish by making predictions at this point. Everyones been wrong so far.

    Anyone figured out who’s really Jacob yet? Maybe Vincent? lol

  21. Rumblestilskin says:

    Sorry dude.

    Your right, Im all high strung……….. They just need to start the episode already!!!! :D

  22. Snaisy says:

    So excited~

  23. Mr. $tuart says:

    I’m enjoying this recap special, but a lot of it is directed at people who have never seen the show.

  24. Tasha says:

    One of the viewers texted in…”John Locke for President!!!!” HAHA I loved it!

  25. cyainanotherlifebrother says:

    [quote comment=”375006″]Ive paused the guy’s face in the cabin, and it def isnt Desmond.

    No need 2 make ourselves look foolish by making predictions at this point. Everyones been wrong so far.

    Anyone figured out who’s really Jacob yet? Maybe Vincent? lol[/quote
    Ya just see one of his eyes but it looks very similar who nos tho it could be a rouge camera man that just wandered into the scene lol

  26. wingman says:

    Whatver misgivings I’ve had about this season, I still can’t wait to see how it all plays out…I hope that in the end that I can smile…Good Luck Losties I hope we get what we need…

  27. Anthony Peterson says:

    I havent read the blogs yet, but wanted to post my fina’le…..Theyre all been dead since the crash. The one by one deaths were actually the victums’ realization that they were dead. The remaining souls hav yet to come to terms w/ their demise.

  28. cyainanotherlifebrother says:

    10 min the butterflies are massing!

  29. Rumblestilskin says:

    I have a feeling Aaron and JiYung<—-Sp? are going 2B of significance. (at least I hope)

  30. cyainanotherlifebrother says:

    [quote comment=”375013″]I havent read the blogs yet, but wanted to post my fina’le…..Theyre all been dead since the crash. The one by one deaths were actually the victums’ realization that they were dead. The remaining souls hav yet to come to terms w/ their demise.[/quote]

    i think your way off the mark here buddy

  31. smoodogg says:

    yall are all way to into this. im glad it’s over so yall can finally get lives

  32. cyainanotherlifebrother says:

    [quote comment=”375015″]I have a feeling Aaron and JiYung<—-Sp? are going 2B of significance. (at least I hope)[/quote]

    sp?

  33. Rumblestilskin says:

    The sp is for spelling.

    smoodogg is a fag, in that he is, in fact, a bundle of sticks.

    Once LOST is over, there will be no need to get lives, because life will have no meaning. Pffft!!!

  34. Tasha says:

    [quote comment=”375017″]yall are all way to into this. im glad it’s over so yall can finally get lives[/quote]

    Yeah..I planned on reconnecting with some loved ones. LOL

  35. cyainanotherlifebrother says:

    [quote comment=”375017″]yall are all way to into this. im glad it’s over so yall can finally get lives[/quote]

    Snoop doggy dog is gay

  36. Nicolette says:

    yippeee!!!

    just two and a half more hours and Evangeline Lilly’s acting career is over.

    hallelujah!!!

  37. cyainanotherlifebrother says:

    what your fav ep rumples?

  38. cyainanotherlifebrother says:

    [quote comment=”375022″]yippeee!!!

    just two and a half more hours and Evangeline Lilly’s acting career is over.

    hallelujah!!![/quote]

    thats harsh

  39. Toeknee says:

    Thanks to Andreas for creating this blog and to Will and Nick for keeping it going. I haven’t stopped by here very regularly this season but I’ll be here tonight to see what everyone has to say.

    One question, and I hope this isn’t considered a spoiler. But in tonight’s clip show, D&C stated that in order for MiB to get off the island, he/it had to kill Jacob and all the candidates first. Was that ever clearly stated in the show that that was a requirement? I think it was implied in the ep. where Jin and Sun died, but I don’t know if if was actually stated as a rule by Jacob or MiB or anyone. (this has been probably discussed here over the last few weeks, so sorry for bringin it up again)

  40. Snaisy says:

    omg i JUST got the ‘Christian Shepard’ reference!

  41. Rumblestilskin says:

    [quote comment=”375025″]Thanks to Andreas for creating this blog and to Will and Nick for keeping it going. I haven’t stopped by here very regularly this season but I’ll be here tonight to see what everyone has to say.

    One question, and I hope this isn’t considered a spoiler. But in tonight’s clip show, D&C stated that in order for MiB to get off the island, he/it had to kill Jacob and all the candidates first. Was that ever clearly stated in the show that that was a requirement? I think it was implied in the ep. where Jin and Sun died, but I don’t know if if was actually stated as a rule by Jacob or MiB or anyone. (this has been probably discussed here over the last few weeks, so sorry for bringin it up again)[/quote]

    Yhea, Ive never heard that specifically stated.

  42. Rumblestilskin says:

    Locke better not hurt Rose & Bernard

  43. cyainanotherlifebrother says:

    [quote comment=”375028″]Locke better not hurt Rose & Bernard[/quote]

    yes what would we do if anyhthing happened to them

  44. cyainanotherlifebrother says:

    “easy bigfoot” classic sawyer

  45. Ben says:

    Yeah Lapidus!!! Im so happy now!

  46. Jason says:

    Lupidas lives!!

  47. cyainanotherlifebrother says:

    So Jack is the new richard not the new jacob?

  48. Ben says:

    Jack the obvious choice. HAHAHAHAHA.

  49. Rumblestilskin says:

    jack just sai “thats a supprise”….. LOVE IT!!!!

  50. Snaisy says:

    “you might want to save your bullets” hmmmmm?

  51. Ps says:

    In case u haven’t noticed I am a pilot!

  52. KatieB says:

    IT’s Juliet!!!!! Hooray!!!!

  53. Tasha says:

    I am all teary eyed from the Sun and Jin scene! It’s great how they remembered their English:)

  54. cyainanotherlifebrother says:

    i believe in you dude….sob

  55. Jason says:

    great commercial…LOL

  56. Ps says:

    Did u see target’s ad for smoke alerts!!

  57. cyainanotherlifebrother says:

    [quote comment=”375042″]Did u see target’s ad for smoke alerts!![/quote]

    wonder how much did smokie get for that endorsement? lol

  58. Rumblestilskin says:

    I hope there are no more Target commercials that look like the show

    They keep fooling me :(

  59. Ps says:

    Shannon is back!!

  60. Ps says:

    It looks like they are starting “Found” now!

  61. Jason says:

    Classic shot…locke and jack looking down..just like the hatch….

  62. Toeknee says:

    I love all these “shout-outs” to earlier seasons (Jack & Locke looking down the waterfall like they looked down the hatch), and to concerns expressed by the fans (Jack being the obvious choice to replace Jacob). But my favorite so far was Sayid saying “Whose rules!?” to Hurley. The urgency with which he delivered that line was great.

  63. Rumblestilskin says:

    Exotic Matter : )

  64. LOST in Sri Lanka says:

    is MiB mortal now?

  65. Jason says:

    [quote comment=”375050″]is MiB mortal now?[/quote]
    I would say that is obvious, yes….

  66. cyainanotherlifebrother says:

    [quote comment=”375050″]is MiB mortal now?[/quote]

    looks that way

  67. LOST in Sri Lanka says:

    why do I get the feeling that kate is going to deliver claire’s baby in sideways reality

  68. Rumblestilskin says:

    FLocke instinctively goes for his knife first thing………. like a dirtbag.

  69. Tasha says:

    Freaking commercials!!! SOme things haven’t changed in 6 years!!!!

  70. cyainanotherlifebrother says:

    mib is a pussy

  71. Andy says:

    This is crazy. Right when all this started going down a big thunderstorm started outside.

  72. Snaisy says:

    This fight is reminding me of the Lion king when Simba kicks Mufasa’s butt!

  73. Ben says:

    Neck wound…..flashsideways!

  74. texasdude says:

    perfect ending…Jack is too much of a Pus** to finish locke himself, kate had to save him.

  75. LOST in Sri Lanka says:

    Who else is disappointed that “Kate” shot MiB?

  76. cyainanotherlifebrother says:

    still more questions than answers not cool

  77. rowjimmy says:

    yes duct tape comes thru again

  78. Ben says:

    “It worked” the vending machine trick!

  79. Tasha says:

    Well geez…now I see why ABC extended the finale 30 minutes:(

  80. Rumblestilskin says:

    How can they wrap this up in 10 minutes??? Aaahhh!!!!!

  81. Rumblestilskin says:

    oh, thank God

  82. cyainanotherlifebrother says:

    were the lights powered by the vending machine aswell?

  83. Rumblestilskin says:

    They didnt say, and I didnt ask, but from what I saw………

  84. RGS says:

    If they end up making Ben some kinda hero after all this…wow.

    I haven’t gone back to find the post about a Hitler movie being filmed from his perspective…that being misunderstood, that made me laugh out loud for like 10 minutes. Good stuff.

    I am disappointed with this season, but not the show overall, not in the least. Very good entertainment, but thankfully they’ve left room for improvement.

    Thanks to everyone who’ve come here to share their thoughts, jokes, predictions, and failures. Can’t believe I’ve come to this blog to write about a TV show, because I’m actually a real cool dude in person, and a 3 sport athlete in high school, lol…but I digress.

    That just tells me how incredible an experience this show has been. Thanks D&C for coming up with a great concept, at a great time.

    Again thanks to all, as has been expressed previously, you’ve all made the LOST for me, what it ultimately was, which was a great entertainment experience.

  85. cyainanotherlifebrother says:

    They get jolted into remembering there other life on the island but do they remember there time before the island in the alternate reality like does sawyer now remember being a low down hustler?

  86. Ben says:

    Ben is going to go down as the most evil tv charater ever.

  87. Rumblestilskin says:

    These commercials are killing me :(

  88. Andy says:

    Jack had plenty of time to get out of there.

  89. cyainanotherlifebrother says:

    will jack turn in to smokie?

  90. skate says:

    [quote comment=”375060″]perfect ending…Jack is too much of a Pus** to finish locke himself, kate had to save him.[/quote]

    yea! Kate is THE woman!!!!!!

  91. Rumblestilskin says:

    Umm….. why can’t women have children on the island? Aaron and Jiyung are not important? Walt?

  92. Ps says:

    What is this? Never ending cycle of some sort?

  93. Ps says:

    Jack died!! All died!!

  94. Ps says:

    Penny died? When?

  95. Andy says:

    Yeah…what is penny doing there?

  96. KatieB says:

    Okay…when did all these people die?! All at different times? Was the flash sideways all about them after they died?

  97. Tasha says:

    OMG WTF?

  98. Toeknee says:

    I don’t get it

  99. JRae says:

    hey can someone fill me in? my friends made me shut it off???

  100. cyainanotherlifebrother says:

    this is weak where did the plane go, i feel ripped off

  101. LOST in Sri Lanka says:

    time to let go……

  102. Tasha says:

    Sooooo…Ok…let the theories start…..HAHAHA

  103. Ps says:

    I expected something different. Not this one. This is not losty way of ending things. I know fatality rate is 100% when planes crash but come on….

  104. loster says:

    so where they dead the whole time????

  105. Bob says:

    B_R_A_V_O!!!

  106. rowjimmy says:

    WTF was that

  107. Ps says:

    Disappointed? Yes? Reply to this post!!

  108. Jason says:

    Did they ever explain the numbers? i sure wish they would have

  109. Kim says:

    What a fucking waste of my time all of season 6

  110. BCinDC says:

    Whoa, did not see that coming…was actually one of the endings that i did not want. Dont know what to think? So, when did the rest of the people die? like hurley, sawyer, kate, etc? It seemed like they were all waiting for jack to die, but it seemed like he died before alot of the rest?

  111. Mr. $tuart says:

    ARE YOU F’ING KIDDING ME? ARE YOU F’ING KIDDING ME? AWESOME EPISODE UNTIL THE END. IT WAS DARN NEAR PERFECT UNTIL HE WALKED INTO THAT CHURCH. THAT WAS BULL SH*T. I KNEW WE WERE IN FOR IT TOO AS SOON AS I SAW THAT STAIN GLASS WITH A MUSLIM CRESCENT, JEWISH STAR OF DAVID, CHRISTIAN CROSS, AND A YIN AND YANG. I’M PISSED. THE FIRST 2 HRS AND 2 MINS WAS UNFREAKING BELIEVABLE AND THEN THEY PULL THAT BULL SH*T ENDING ON US.

  112. rowjimmy says:

    So evryone is dead but Richard, Miles and Frank ?

  113. cyainanotherlifebrother says:

    this was one of the theories put forward to the writers and they dismissed it what a load of bullshit was expecting something better than this

  114. Ben says:

    They all had their lives in “island” time, but flashsideways shows what happens when you die? “We all die someday” so even though some are dead and some arent they will all end up there?

  115. Lendorien says:

    The ending is this. What happened on the island was REAL WORLD. Everyone who died on the island died in REAL WOLD.

    Sideways world was the place created by the collective psyche of the friends on lost after they died in order for them to find each other in “heaven” or the afterlife. Those who flew off the island survived in the REAL WORLD. But eventually they died too, which is why they showed up in Sideways world as well.

    The end was simply them moving into the next part of the afterlife, whatever that is. And of course, Jack died in the REAL WORLD at the end.

    As for what the island was, they didn’t really explain it.

  116. Elvis1 says:

    I always had a nseaky feeling this was the case…but it still leaves alot of questions

  117. LostGrrl says:

    People… calm. Christian said people died sooner and later, but they all came to this place. In order to “move on” they had to come together because they were at their best with each other. Still haven’t wrapped my head around everything…

  118. Lendorien says:

    For the record, while I believe in the afterlife, this end for as show that has been leading up to something amazing at the end of it was a let down.

  119. way_lost says:

    So what about Walt? Why did Claire have to be the one to raise Aaron? Does this mean that Walt, Michael, and the Expose peeps went to Hell?

  120. The Lost says:

    Thats the beauty of Lost, We the fans are left with a plethora of controversy and theorism, Brilliant. This will stand the test of time and live forever on the tounges of generations to come. Perfect.

  121. eric z says:

    What a crock of you know what! That just goes to show you that TV writers have know idea how to end a show. They only know how to keep a story going with cliffhangers after cliffhangers. I can’t believe I actually expected some closure. I am extremely dissapointed.

  122. BCinDC says:

    If this was the afterlife and they were waiting for each other to die, than why did it seem like they were waiting for jack to die. He died on the island way before people the rest would of…like the people on the plane??

  123. The Lost says:

    well your a faggot

  124. Elvis1 says:

    Exactly…was everything on the Island just a figment of their dead imaginations…or was it literally the inbewteen, and Jacob was there help guide to their aha moment(the fsw aha moemmts)??…were Jacob & MIB just 2 more ghosts??? iN which case did they really need to do any of that stuff…or did they just need to realize they were dead?

  125. joe says:

    so no walt or michael… and where was frank and alpert and miles in the end church part?

  126. The Lost says:

    haha im kidding bro to each his own

  127. Amber says:

    Please God someone explain this to me before I cry. I am soooo confused what did he mean they were all dead. Christian said some died before Jack and some died after…..so what was the flashside ways about….Im so very confused. Did Christian go “into the light” what did he mean they built that place so they could find each other? Like there souls could find each other?

  128. cyainanotherlifebrother says:

    HBO would have never fcked it up like this!

  129. Bob says:

    Loved Hugo’s Star Wars (Han Solo) reference – “I’ve got a bad feeling about this.”

  130. garrett anderson says:

    its saying that they were in purgatory, and that the island was a method of letting go. The people in the church were all dead, and the timeline of the island was when they all died. like the others died earlier and were still accepting it, while richard took much longer to understand. I still dont understand jacob, whitmore, the freaking numbers, etc. but thats all i can figure

  131. Evan says:

    They all died in the initial plane crash, the island has nothing to do with real life. ALL the theories, signs, were just coincidences. Terrible end

  132. Larla says:

    For anyone who truly “got” the ending…I need some help on a couple things:

    1-What did the plane flying over Jack’s head symbolize? Was that flight 815 in the FSW?

    2-I get that the FSW was them all being dead, finding each other, etc. BUT – what was the point of the island? i.e. all 5 other seasons? I really just want to understand it all.

  133. Vish says:

    I think the reason Walt isn’t in that room is because he isn’t dead yet in the real world. Although, is there any explanation as to Penny’s death? and since Lapidus, Miles and Richard arent in the room, does that mean the plane they took with sawyer and kate and clare landed safely? Were they waiting for Jack to die before they did this rendezvous?

  134. LostGrrl says:

    [quote comment=”375118″]They all died in the initial plane crash, the island has nothing to do with real life. ALL the theories, signs, were just coincidences. Terrible end[/quote]

    No no — see comment 116. Best explanation so far. The island time was real time. They lived to the extent we saw it. Sideways was their “construct.” Whether they died on the island or got off… everyone eventually dies. Somehow these people were stuck and couldn’t move forward to “heaven” or whatever you believe, until they all came together again. Or something…

  135. Jodo says:

    Perfect ending!

  136. BCinDC says:

    I sure hope they explain some stuff on the Jimmy Kimmel show and see the other 3 endings they advertised…hopefully they are better than this or atleast explain the ending a lil for us.

  137. Murphey says:

    [quote comment=”375114″]Please God someone explain this to me before I cry. I am soooo confused what did he mean they were all dead. Christian said some died before Jack and some died after…..so what was the flashside ways about….Im so very confused. Did Christian go “into the light” what did he mean they built that place so they could find each other? Like there souls could find each other?[/quote]

    Yes, everything that happened on the island was real and everything in the flash sideways was a world they created to find to each other in the after life. Time has no meaning when you’re dead so the fact that they all died at different times doesn’t matter.

  138. eric z says:

    Anyone who is trying to figure this out is wrapping there brains for nothing. They really screwed this one up. This could have ended so much better. Like i said before, I am just so very dissapointed with the creators of this show.

  139. LostGrrl says:

    [quote comment=”375119″]For anyone who truly “got” the ending…I need some help on a couple things:

    1-What did the plane flying over Jack’s head symbolize? Was that flight 815 in the FSW?

    2-I get that the FSW was them all being dead, finding each other, etc. BUT – what was the point of the island? i.e. all 5 other seasons? I really just want to understand it all.[/quote]

    #1 – No – that was the Ajira plane REALLY getting off the island.

    #2 – uh… I dunno.

  140. Murphey says:

    [quote comment=”375118″]They all died in the initial plane crash, the island has nothing to do with real life. ALL the theories, signs, were just coincidences. Terrible end[/quote]

    No, I don’t think so. Only the flashsides ways was the after life. The real time line was real life. Christian said they all died at different times!

  141. kim says:

    Everything was real, but they all died at different times, but their fates, love and life were so intertwined that they (tacitly) made a pact to meet up and leave together once everyone was ready to leave … Leave where? Leave their earthly existence. And Jack took his time getting there, even though it appeared that he died rather quickly after plugging the energy source.

    There is no ‘now’ in the afterlife and a day could be a millennium, or a hundred years – one minute long. There is no time, or space — there is only love. It was perfectly beautiful.

  142. rowjimmy says:

    FSW is purgatory and Christian was was opening the gates to heaven leading the way.

  143. Kevin says:

    Jack could have been the last to die because as we know island time is different then real world time, so all those who got of the island in the plane at the end could have went to the real world in who knows what era in time and thus technically died before jack

  144. loooooooooooost says:

    horrible and poor ending to MIB.

    also, in the scene where Jack punches MIB and blood comes out of MIB’s mouth, why didn’t MIB kill Jack? He knocked him out cold! he could’ve done anything…

    i would’ve been more satisfied with an “island getting destroyed” scenario and we see MIB leaving the island or something

    the 2 timelines merging was retarded

  145. Elvis1 says:

    to Murphy:

    So you’re saying everything on the Island was actually real, they didn’t die in the plane crash….and over time as they died one way or another, they all meet in this “contruct” to move on?

    But what about that all the people there haven’t aged past the crash?

  146. crazylost says:

    totally confused. where can I get answers?

  147. Tim says:

    So Ben didn’t go inside because he wasn’t dead yet or he wasn’t ready to admit that he was dead?

    Plus….Sawyer, Kate, & Claire were all on the plane that left with Lapidus, Miles, & Richard. So where in the hell were they at during the church scene?

  148. Kevin says:

    absolutely awesome ending. honestly how else could you do it? In the end Lost is like real life. You meet a lot of awesome people who help to bring out the best in you and bring you to your ultimate destination…..

  149. eric z says:

    Comment 116 hit the nail right on the head. Thats how I interpted the ending. But I still thought it sucked. A terrible way for THIS show to end.

  150. Dharris says:

    Cried like a baby. Best show of all time –nothing will even come close!

  151. Murphey says:

    [quote comment=”375132″]to Murphy:

    So you’re saying everything on the Island was actually real, they didn’t die in the plane crash….and over time as they died one way or another, they all meet in this “contruct” to move on?

    But what about that all the people there haven’t aged past the crash?[/quote]

    Also a construct, think like the matrix. Apparently, you can look how you want to look.

  152. LostGrrl says:

    Forgetting about the lingering questions (for a moment), I thought the moments of awakening were really beautiful. Sawyer/Juliet, Sun/Jin, Claire/Charlie. Disappointed we didn’t see Desmond/Penny. But these moments were beautiful. Made me cry, as did the last scene, which mirrored the first scene of the series so nicely (Vincent!)

    Maybe I’m a sucker, but I thought it was beautiful. Tomorrow I’ll read EW’s Doc Jensen to find out what everything else meant. Tonight, I’ll remember those characters who’ve become special to me.

  153. Amber says:

    So what happened happened thats what christian said. So everything on the island all that happened. the flashforward. the flash backwards. The only thing that wasnt “real” was the flash side ways. That was just so they could find each other. The ones that arent there arent dead yet. Time doesnt exsist there. So they all see each other as they were when they knew each other. For all we know Kate could have died at 90 in her bed. I think….WHAT THE HELL that doesnt even make sense. So they all encountered each other in the flashside ways and once they remembered they went to wait at the church. Jack just didnt remember until last? Ben wasnt ready to except it yet?

  154. Jeff says:

    I get it.

  155. Mr. $tuart says:

    [quote comment=”375119″]For anyone who truly “got” the ending…I need some help on a couple things:

    1-What did the plane flying over Jack’s head symbolize? Was that flight 815 in the FSW?

    2-I get that the FSW was them all being dead, finding each other, etc. BUT – what was the point of the island? i.e. all 5 other seasons? I really just want to understand it all.[/quote]

    1. The plane was the plane Lapidus was flying off the island. He smiled cuz he knew that they were going to get off the Island and be able to live their lives. We don’t know, but it’s likely that Sawyer, Kate, Miles, Richard, and Lapidus all made it back and lived out their lives although whatever they went on to do, it didn’t shape them as much as their time together on the island. Hugo’s comments to Ben about him being a great #2 and Hugo being a great number #1 makes me think that they protected the island together for a very long time before dying.

    2. That’s why people are pissed at this ending. I understand the ending. I think it was a very thought provoking ending, but it doesn’t fit with the rest of the series. It wasn’t the type of closure that was needed to round out everything that happened. If this was the ending they were planning all along, then most of the last 2-3 seasons don’t serve much purpose.

  156. Jeff says:

    The polar bear WAS Walt. Duh

  157. Hurley's Dad says:

    [quote comment=”375123″]I sure hope they explain some stuff on the Jimmy Kimmel show and see the other 3 endings they advertised…hopefully they are better than this or atleast explain the ending a lil for us.[/quote]
    I think those are “Jimmy” endings…not real endings that the D&C came up with as possiblities.

  158. css says:

    So they all die and go off to heaven, happy ever after. What a crock, this is the best they could come up with? I now wish I had never started watching, another disappoint ment from lazy writers!

  159. ICDeadppl says:

    Me thinks that the Island was their living purgatory since they all shoulda coulda died in the plane crash. Not saying they were “dead” on the island, but it gave them an opportunity to prove their goodness prior to true death. When the died for good, their consciousness moves to the flash sideways….kind of like reincarnation.

  160. victor says:

    Here’s the best explanation.

    There is no explanation. I beleive comment 116 correctly captures the writers intent. I also believe the writers didn’t have a plot that logically ties together … the whole show is just nonsensical.

    The numbers, the dharma initiative, jacob / adam, jacob’s lair, why only richard could speak to jacob, what the island is, why there were hyrogliphics on the light plug, the polar bear, why children couldn’t be born on the island,the others, why the others wanted walt, why wald was specials and why they were testing his blood, etc, etc, etc.

    Yeah, try and make sense of that. You can’t. They threw a bunch of mud on the wall.

    It’s the Jackson Pollack of TV.

  161. Jeremy says:

    I think 116 is right with one friendly amendment. I agree that everything on the Island was real (i.e., they did not all die when the plane crashed). That explains Hurley’s comment to Ben at the church. As Christian explained, some people in the church died before Jack, some at or about the same time, and others much, much later. (This explains Kate’s statement that she waited for so long to see Jack again – she must have lived a long life.) The Sidweways world was purgatory – a world where some of them could work out their issues until they were ready to move on. That’s why Ben can’t leave. He still has issues to figure out. Locke also needed to let go and move on.

    I found it disappointing. Better end would have been for Christian to lead all the people in the church back to the Island, and for the Island to be a terrestial Heaven. That would help explain why woman cannot conceive on the Island as well as Jacob’s and MIB’s roles.

    – everything on the Island is real aalthough I’m not sure that “they” created the Sideways world. My impression

  162. Jess says:

    Wait, who’s in the hatch? I am way behind on this stuff…

  163. kim says:

    FSW was the afterlife — but not purgatory, more like a staging area for the light, I think in order for them to find and recognize each other, and to accept that they were ‘dead’ — they had to touch souls — and in an instant– beautiful knowing consciousness. It was just harder for Jack to accept it; and his dad was there to help him along.

    I think Ben was dead, but wasn’t ready to move on with the rest of them — he likely will have to cycle through another life before he can get there himself.

  164. rowjimmy says:

    [quote comment=”375143″]The polar bear WAS Walt. Duh[/quote]
    Polar bears are white Walt was of African descent.DUH

  165. BCinDC says:

    [quote comment=”375144″][quote comment=”375123″]I sure hope they explain some stuff on the Jimmy Kimmel show and see the other 3 endings they advertised…hopefully they are better than this or atleast explain the ending a lil for us.[/quote]
    I think those are “Jimmy” endings…not real endings that the D&C came up with as possiblities.[/quote]

    REally? I hope not because i would like to see what other options they had to mcome up with

  166. AGE says:

    if they all died at different times, why was the last scene of the beach seemingly right after the crash with no one alive? i’m disappointed. oh and where are walt and michael? and does this mean MIB and jacob were all bull too???

  167. brandonbench says:

    comment 116 is a perfect answer
    im just confused about ben not coming in? is he going to hell or what? and where was lapedus, and the rest of the crew at?

  168. Larla says:

    [quote comment=”375142″][quote comment=”375119″]For anyone who truly “got” the ending…I need some help on a couple things:

    1-What did the plane flying over Jack’s head symbolize? Was that flight 815 in the FSW?

    2-I get that the FSW was them all being dead, finding each other, etc. BUT – what was the point of the island? i.e. all 5 other seasons? I really just want to understand it all.[/quote]

    1. The plane was the plane Lapidus was flying off the island. He smiled cuz he knew that they were going to get off the Island and be able to live their lives. We don’t know, but it’s likely that Sawyer, Kate, Miles, Richard, and Lapidus all made it back and lived out their lives although whatever they went on to do, it didn’t shape them as much as their time together on the island. Hugo’s comments to Ben about him being a great #2 and Hugo being a great number #1 makes me think that they protected the island together for a very long time before dying.

    2. That’s why people are pissed at this ending. I understand the ending. I think it was a very thought provoking ending, but it doesn’t fit with the rest of the series. It wasn’t the type of closure that was needed to round out everything that happened. If this was the ending they were planning all along, then most of the last 2-3 seasons don’t serve much purpose.[/quote]

    Thank you, Mr. $tuart! That is helpful. I think I need to keep in mind that there were a lot of filler eps in last couple seasons, which fits more with what you’re saying about the planned ending. Thanks!

  169. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”375119″]For anyone who truly “got” the ending…I need some help on a couple things:

    1-What did the plane flying over Jack’s head symbolize? Was that flight 815 in the FSW?

    2-I get that the FSW was them all being dead, finding each other, etc. BUT – what was the point of the island? i.e. all 5 other seasons? I really just want to understand it all.[/quote]
    1 – they ALL (the group) got off the island in totality.
    2 – the island is where the groups go….been gping on for a long time….but if you don’t leave it correctly…God help them all…get it?

  170. LunarLast says:

    Must have been a very long time, waiting for Hurley to finally die and join them in the church!! On the other hand, this was all tied to Jack’s death timeline!
    I think it was very loose, way too many holes to plug and they figured if you boil anything down around lines of accepted faith (heaven, afterlife yada yada) they will get away with it in the end…..Very very very weak.

  171. Mr. $tuart says:

    [quote comment=”375151″][quote comment=”375143″]The polar bear WAS Walt. Duh[/quote]
    Polar bears are white Walt was of African descent.DUH[/quote]
    Actually polar bears have black skin and their hair is clear. They appear white because of the way the light passes through the clear hair.

  172. Andy says:

    When you guys say the people that aren’t there havent died yet doesn’t make sense. Hurley would have lived longer than anyone being the “protector” of the island.

  173. T-Bone says:

    Beautiful ending.

    To reiterate, everything on the island actually happened in the real world, in real time. The “you are dead” revelation only applied to the events of the flash-sideways universe.

    I was hoping for the finale to be a little more strongly focused on answering questions and tying up loose-ends, but it’s true to the series that it was more character-centric. Now it feels like a puzzle that we can at least say we have all the pieces to.

    I was expecting more of a twist, though. And my first reaction is that I wish we didn’t have to spend quite as much time in the alterna-verse, though it was probably necessary. And I’m kinda disappointed to know the bomb plan didn’t work after all.

  174. LostGrrl says:

    [quote comment=”375156″]the island is where the groups go….been gping on for a long time….but if you don’t leave it correctly…God help them all…get it?[/quote]

    Uh.. no.

  175. Mr. $tuart says:

    I don’t understand why the writers didn’t just have EVERYBODY in the church. Eko, Daniel, Charlotte, Illana, everybody.

  176. Hurley's Dad says:

    [quote comment=”375152″][quote comment=”375144″][quote comment=”375123″]I sure hope they explain some stuff on the Jimmy Kimmel show and see the other 3 endings they advertised…hopefully they are better than this or atleast explain the ending a lil for us.[/quote]
    I think those are “Jimmy” endings…not real endings that the D&C came up with as possiblities.[/quote]

    REally? I hope not because i would like to see what other options they had to mcome up with[/quote]
    I heard Damon say that he wanted to be clear…they only had 1 ending for the show in mind the entire time….so the Kimmel endings are either made up by Jimmy or to throw the scent off for spoilers.

  177. Jeremy says:

    One thing I don’t get is why the Island is on the bottom of the ocean in FSW.

  178. Murphey says:

    [quote comment=”375147″]Here’s the best explanation.

    There is no explanation. I beleive comment 116 correctly captures the writers intent. I also believe the writers didn’t have a plot that logically ties together … the whole show is just nonsensical.

    The numbers, the dharma initiative, jacob / adam, jacob’s lair, why only richard could speak to jacob, what the island is, why there were hyrogliphics on the light plug, the polar bear, why children couldn’t be born on the island,the others, why the others wanted walt, why wald was specials and why they were testing his blood, etc, etc, etc.

    Yeah, try and make sense of that. You can’t. They threw a bunch of mud on the wall.

    It’s the Jackson Pollack of TV.[/quote]

    I don’t think the show is nonsensical. Sure, some of the stuff you mention was filler. Walt and aaron didn’t really matter. So what? The mythology just has to be accepted from what “Mother” said. If the light goes out, all life ends. Some in the Dharma initiative and Others were candidates. Jacob and MIB have been going at this for a long time. It is really about the characters anyway and the mysteries of the island are like a character.

  179. yoyo says:

    [quote comment=”375159″]When you guys say the people that aren’t there havent died yet doesn’t make sense. Hurley would have lived longer than anyone being the “protector” of the island.[/quote]
    That y ben was not ready to enter the church…

  180. Ps says:

    Jimmy asked: what the hell just happened?

  181. Hannah says:

    Kate, Sawyer, Lupedis etc. were on the plane taking off, which is what Jack saw right before he died, but then they crashed on the beach, the same way oceanic flight 815 had crashed. They all died (except richard?) and that’s how they were in the church.

  182. tc says:

    um….huh

  183. rowjimmy says:

    Jimmy Kimmel summed that up real good in the opening

  184. Ryan says:

    [quote comment=”375153″]if they all died at different times, why was the last scene of the beach seemingly right after the crash with no one alive? i’m disappointed. oh and where are walt and michael? and does this mean MIB and jacob were all bull too???[/quote]

    This was a place they all wanted to meet up with each other, I’m not sure they really wanted Michael there…he screwed them over and killed several of the people there. Also, Lapidus, Miles, and Richard are not yet ready to move on and be part of the group. Remember when Hurley and Desmond had Sayid and Kate released, and the cop was Anna Lucia but she was obnoxious? And Hurley then made the comment “She’s not ready yet”?

  185. Larla says:

    [quote comment=”375156″][quote comment=”375119″]For anyone who truly “got” the ending…I need some help on a couple things:

    1-What did the plane flying over Jack’s head symbolize? Was that flight 815 in the FSW?

    2-I get that the FSW was them all being dead, finding each other, etc. BUT – what was the point of the island? i.e. all 5 other seasons? I really just want to understand it all.[/quote]
    1 – they ALL (the group) got off the island in totality.
    2 – the island is where the groups go….been gping on for a long time….but if you don’t leave it correctly…God help them all…get it?[/quote]

    Hammer, thanks for your response. I’m still not 100% clear what you’re saying about if the groups don’t leave it correctly then God help them all. What do you mean by leaving correctly?

  186. Murphey says:

    [quote comment=”375160″]Beautiful ending.

    To reiterate, everything on the island actually happened in the real world, in real time. The “you are dead” revelation only applied to the events of the flash-sideways universe.

    I was hoping for the finale to be a little more strongly focused on answering questions and tying up loose-ends, but it’s true to the series that it was more character-centric. Now it feels like a puzzle that we can at least say we have all the pieces to.

    I was expecting more of a twist, though. And my first reaction is that I wish we didn’t have to spend quite as much time in the alterna-verse, though it was probably necessary. And I’m kinda disappointed to know the bomb plan didn’t work after all.[/quote]

    WHH with the bomb plan. It was the incident. I said that all along :)

  187. Mr. $tuart says:

    I like Jimmy’s theory about this series being Jack’s test to get into the great beyond. I don’t buy it, but it’s a very interesting take.

  188. Murphey says:

    [quote comment=”375162″]I don’t understand why the writers didn’t just have EVERYBODY in the church. Eko, Daniel, Charlotte, Illana, everybody.[/quote]

    Budget constraints? Actors had other commitments?

  189. Amber says:

    ok I think I understand the finale. I understand the flashside ways. I just dont understand all the other episodes of the entire show……all the mysterys all the clues…what is going on

  190. Murphey says:

    [quote comment=”375164″]One thing I don’t get is why the Island is on the bottom of the ocean in FSW.[/quote]

    It was a trick to make us think the bomb worked so we wouldn’t guess the real reason for the flash sideways. Not a bad thing though. I liked how it all worked out.

  191. victor says:

    [quote comment=”375165″][quote comment=”375147″]Here’s the best explanation.

    There is no explanation. I beleive comment 116 correctly captures the writers intent. I also believe the writers didn’t have a plot that logically ties together … the whole show is just nonsensical.

    The numbers, the dharma initiative, jacob / adam, jacob’s lair, why only richard could speak to jacob, what the island is, why there were hyrogliphics on the light plug, the polar bear, why children couldn’t be born on the island,the others, why the others wanted walt, why wald was specials and why they were testing his blood, etc, etc, etc.

    Yeah, try and make sense of that. You can’t. They threw a bunch of mud on the wall.

    It’s the Jackson Pollack of TV.[/quote]

    I don’t think the show is nonsensical. Sure, some of the stuff you mention was filler. Walt and aaron didn’t really matter. So what? The mythology just has to be accepted from what “Mother” said. If the light goes out, all life ends. Some in the Dharma initiative and Others were candidates. Jacob and MIB have been going at this for a long time. It is really about the characters anyway and the mysteries of the island are like a character.[/quote]

    Sorry, the show is nonsensical. You want more?

    The Island underground, Widemore’s role, what Widemore whispered to Flocke, what the smoke monster was (widemore said he had heard myths), the hatch, the various dharma stations, the time travel, the space travel (e.g. to egypt), the donkey wheel, jacob’s lighthouse, the nuclear bomb, etc, etc, etc.

    No one even knows what the island is. Jacob didn’t, Jacob’s crazy mom probably didn’t, Jack didn’t, Hugo certainly didn’t. So any rules can be made up. No explanation required.

  192. Dharris says:

    [quote comment=”375162″]I don’t understand why the writers didn’t just have EVERYBODY in the church. Eko, Daniel, Charlotte, Illana, everybody.[/quote]

    Not sure if this totally answers you question, but I remember Christian saying that all the people in the church were those who had a profound effect on each others life. I would say, although some of those aforementioned people had an effect on the main characters, it wasn’t as profound and intricate as the ones who actually were present in the church. Thats my take.

  193. wingman says:

    The flash-sideways were sort of a purgatory for lost and tortured souls…As is the life of ghosts, they don’t remember shit and walk throughout their dream-world just living…

    It took dead Desmond traveling to this otherside to help kick-start the awakening of these souls to move-on together by remembering their tortured experiences together…If they hadn’t they probably would have just been trapped in that state…Like a cycle…

    Showing Jack at the end in the same state to witch he came to the island and flashed to the island illustrates this cycle…

    The island is a place where you can connect to the otherside because of the “special Properties”…It took all this to make Jack remember he was trapped in the purgatory aswell…

    You gotta kinda think that since the island is the mid-point of these realities, when exposed to these phenomenons you (mentally) can exhibit a commune with your otherself…The whispers get trapped on this place because the island is shares a part of this “Dead-Reality”

    This whole show was basically about some LOST souls finding a way to break the cycle and “Move-on”….What we saw (As in the the ENTIRE effin show!!) was the storyline of their journey that would make-up the things that awoke them in the sideways…

    Yep, and it was still weak..

    I dare you to find a hole in this logic!

    No I don’t…I’m going to find some flavored rum and get f*cked up now losties, no, no McCutchen’s for me…

  194. rowjimmy says:

    [quote comment=”375158″][quote comment=”375151″][quote comment=”375143″]The polar bear WAS Walt. Duh[/quote]
    Polar bears are white Walt was of African descent.DUH[/quote]
    Actually polar bears have black skin and their hair is clear. They appear white because of the way the light passes through the clear hair.[/quote]
    Whatever they look f’ing white Mr biologist

  195. Tim says:

    For a minute I thought Ben was going to pull a fast one and blow up the church with everyone in it.

  196. patrojan says:

    Posts 116 and 162 fit with how I interpret the ending. I think people are too caught up in an actual timeline of the afterlife. I don’t think the afterlife has a timeline. I think that all of people died at various point in “real”time and in the afterlife, they led a FSW life. One by one, when they connected with each other in the afterlife, they “remembered” the person from their mortal life. And they were happy. That person and those memories were happy. The Aljira plane taking off over Jack leads us to believe those on that plane continued to lead a long mortal life, but when reconnected in the afterlife with one another, those people and times made the most impact, which is why they are the most important. Season 6 is all about their afterlife.

  197. crazylost says:

    even though I am very very lost because some things i just didn’t get. This was part of my thinking before this ending. They crashed and while they were “living” on the island, in real life they were in comas and as they died on the island they were brought back to life in the real world but didn’t remember the alternate world on the island until they crossed each others path. There are just too many other things I am trying to make sense of and still very much confused.

  198. Jeremy says:

    I don’t mean to nitpick, but am I to believe that Aaron chose to be a newborn when he moed on to the next phase – or is he just another construct to bring Claire and Charlie together. If so, why bring him to the Church? Wouldn’t he have his own life and death? In other words, wouldn’t another Aaron be roaming around FSW?

  199. Murphey says:

    [quote comment=”375178″][quote comment=”375165″][quote comment=”375147″]Here’s the best explanation.

    There is no explanation. I beleive comment 116 correctly captures the writers intent. I also believe the writers didn’t have a plot that logically ties together … the whole show is just nonsensical.

    The numbers, the dharma initiative, jacob / adam, jacob’s lair, why only richard could speak to jacob, what the island is, why there were hyrogliphics on the light plug, the polar bear, why children couldn’t be born on the island,the others, why the others wanted walt, why wald was specials and why they were testing his blood, etc, etc, etc.

    Yeah, try and make sense of that. You can’t. They threw a bunch of mud on the wall.

    It’s the Jackson Pollack of TV.[/quote]

    I don’t think the show is nonsensical. Sure, some of the stuff you mention was filler. Walt and aaron didn’t really matter. So what? The mythology just has to be accepted from what “Mother” said. If the light goes out, all life ends. Some in the Dharma initiative and Others were candidates. Jacob and MIB have been going at this for a long time. It is really about the characters anyway and the mysteries of the island are like a character.[/quote]

    Sorry, the show is nonsensical. You want more?

    The Island underground, Widemore’s role, what Widemore whispered to Flocke, what the smoke monster was (widemore said he had heard myths), the hatch, the various dharma stations, the time travel, the space travel (e.g. to egypt), the donkey wheel, jacob’s lighthouse, the nuclear bomb, etc, etc, etc.

    No one even knows what the island is. Jacob didn’t, Jacob’s crazy mom probably didn’t, Jack didn’t, Hugo certainly didn’t. So any rules can be made up. No explanation required.[/quote]

    Sure the technology of the wheel and lighthouse and everything doesn’t make a lot of sense, but you just have to chalk it up to magic and suspend disbelief.

    Jacob said the island is a cork holding back hell. It ties into what the Dharma initiative research was all about, changing the date of the end of the world. Maybe if there hadn’t been a Dharma Iniative the numbers whould have been different and MIB would have won.

  200. Mr. $tuart says:

    [quote comment=”375179″][quote comment=”375162″]I don’t understand why the writers didn’t just have EVERYBODY in the church. Eko, Daniel, Charlotte, Illana, everybody.[/quote]

    Not sure if this totally answers you question, but I remember Christian saying that all the people in the church were those who had a profound effect on each others life. I would say, although some of those aforementioned people had an effect on the main characters, it wasn’t as profound and intricate as the ones who actually were present in the church. Thats my take.[/quote]
    Yeah I understand your point. I’m saying it might have made more sense and given people more closure if they could have seen all the characters. Walt for instance, completely disappeared during the series. Why not throw him in there. He was as important as Boone and Shannon. They brought back Anna Lucia and Michael and others during the season so why not at the end.

  201. Mr. $tuart says:

    This ending does leave open a spin off for a Sawyer and Miles cop show.

  202. Tasha says:

    [quote comment=”375182″]For a minute I thought Ben was going to pull a fast one and blow up the church with everyone in it.[/quote]

    LOL..that would have been funny:) Maybe Ben is part of another group…with like the Dharma people and Alex so he wanted to wait for them. They were coming next:P

  203. Amber says:

    I dont understand why in the FSW Jack would be married to Juliet and they would have kid. None of that was real….I just dont get THAT part explain someone please

  204. Lostcols says:

    I haven’t read all the posts, but I think a lot of people misunderstood the ending….or I am way off.
    The plane did really crash and everything on the island really happened. Eventually, all the people in the room died (some on the island, some off the island). The FSW is the in between and none of them really understood they were dead until that flash showed them their true life. Because the island had the most influence on each as a person, they all needed to see each other before moving on.

  205. Murphey says:

    Take care Losties! It has been real.

  206. Mike says:

    So yes, they were making it up as they went along. There was no resolution planned as they strung out the mysteries. But of all the TV series that end with an abstract “God did it” sort of ending, I have to say that this is the best I’ve seen. The producers don’t deserve a pat on the back though. They could have easily made a story equally moving with an actual resolution, they just couldn’t be bothered.

  207. victor says:

    [quote comment=”375186″]
    Sure the technology of the wheel and lighthouse and everything doesn’t make a lot of sense, but you just have to chalk it up to magic and suspend disbelief.

    Jacob said the island is a cork holding back hell. It ties into what the Dharma initiative research was all about, changing the date of the end of the world. Maybe if there hadn’t been a Dharma Iniative the numbers whould have been different and MIB would have won.[/quote]

    the temple, the spring of life, the infection (Claire & sayid), why sayid supposedly couldn’t let Flocke speak before stabbing him, etc.

    It’s obvious to me that the writers didn’t have a coherent plot. they threw a ton of random stuff on the wall.

    It was an enjoyable experience. If I had to do it again though I wouldn’t start watching knowing that there wasn’t a cohesive ending and a lot of the plot lines were pure throwaways.

  208. Nicolette says:

    [quote comment=”375099″]
    So evryone is dead but Richard, Miles and Frank ?
    [/quote]
    And Ben.

    but why was Penny in the church?

    perhaps because Ben lived and did shoot her.. (in the groceries).

  209. Amber says:

    and now the MIB thing and Jacob thing dont make a lot of sense…and what was the “being infected” thing about

  210. Dharris says:

    [quote comment=”375187″][quote comment=”375179″][quote comment=”375162″]I don’t understand why the writers didn’t just have EVERYBODY in the church. Eko, Daniel, Charlotte, Illana, everybody.[/quote]

    Not sure if this totally answers you question, but I remember Christian saying that all the people in the church were those who had a profound effect on each others life. I would say, although some of those aforementioned people had an effect on the main characters, it wasn’t as profound and intricate as the ones who actually were present in the church. Thats my take.[/quote]
    Yeah I understand your point. I’m saying it might have made more sense and given people more closure if they could have seen all the characters. Walt for instance, completely disappeared during the series. Why not throw him in there. He was as important as Boone and Shannon. They brought back Anna Lucia and Michael and others during the season so why not at the end.[/quote]

    True. Having all the characters there would’ve given the finale a more comprehensive ending. I thought Anna Lucia would definitely be there! Maybe the other commentor was right about budget constraints or prior engagements/contracts =/

  211. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment=”375153″]if they all died at different times, why was the last scene of the beach seemingly right after the crash with no one alive? i’m disappointed. oh and where are walt and michael? and does this mean MIB and jacob were all bull too???[/quote]
    I don’t think the shots of the crashed plane on the beach were technically part of this episode. The episode ended with Jack’s eye closing.

  212. pktguy says:

    So i didnt have time to read through the rest but,
    a) the show was really about jack the whole time…wow
    b) i guess the original idea of killing jack off really did come true.

    overall, i am amazed by this ending and they couldnt of done it better

  213. Robjan says:

    I’m sorry but I’m very disappointed with the episode. I completely understand the ending and agree with post 116 and the other posts. I think it was a solid end for a show BUT NOT the kind of end that Lost deserves. It was so straightforward and really did not address ANYTHING that came before it. The script was full of holes and sloppy.

    I could on and on about what it didn’t answer but I’ll only mention one because others have already pointed them out– why didn’t Jack need to say the incantation with Hurley became the protector? That little script defect set me off for the rest of the episode.

    I’ve been such a supporter and feel I’ve been short changed.

    Am I the only one who thinks that it was the same ending as when rose died on ” Titanic?”

  214. Andy says:

    [quote comment=”375195″][quote comment=”375099″]
    So evryone is dead but Richard, Miles and Frank ?
    [/quote]
    And Ben.

    but why was Penny in the church?

    perhaps because Ben lived and did shoot her.. (in the groceries).[/quote]

    Ben is waiting for Alex. I have no idea about Penny.

  215. Mr. $tuart says:

    If this was the ending they were planning all along then I for the life of me can’t understand why they threw in so many “mysteries” that they couldn’t answer. I don’t know how everybody else feels, but the mysteries were intriguing, but the characters and their storylines WAY over shadowed most of the mystery. They could have easily given us less mystery and answered what they did give us and have the show more about the characters. Does that make sense? This ending just doesn’t match the rest of the series, but it could have easily if they really knew it was going to end like this back when they first started.

  216. cecile says:

    somebody made the right call.

    jack equals dead.
    hugo equals next guy.
    rose, bernarhd and vincent.

    did vincent go for walkies into the light?

    [quote comment=”375002″]LOST For Dummies – by Tarzan

    Tarzan sure Doctor name Jack will feel very different — very soon.

    Tarzan also re-hire nice man name Hurley. He take old science position as ‘chef’ — make island people eat healthy and much laughing.

    Tarzan also need new help guard island. Tarzan think ask marry peoples name Rose and Bernard to run island retirement camp on North shore island. Dog name Vincent hire too.
    [/quote]

  217. Chang's arm says:

    What a mindfuck. Darlton needs to drink a cup of posioned Jacob water to make up for this fiasco. I’ll do the incantation.

  218. Mr. $tuart says:

    LOL Did anybody else see the kid who played the young Jacob hiding in the “trees” in the background during Kimmel? HILARIOUS.

  219. css says:

    Stuart the problem is there was never a “plan”, this was a tv show, not “War & Peace” writen in a way to build excitement and speculation so that you would tune in each week causing Frosted Mini Wheats and Target to continue to write checks. Stop trying to “understand” because there are NO answers.

  220. patrojan says:

    [quote comment=”375205″]LOL Did anybody else see the kid who played the young Jacob hiding in the “trees” in the background during Kimmel? HILARIOUS.[/quote]
    I totally laughed out loud when I saw him!

  221. Mr. $tuart says:

    DANG! Emilie de Ravin is looking GOOD!

  222. rowjimmy says:

    Gotta love those tender moments

  223. damn you lost says:

    It seems that at this point the current agreed theory across major blogs is that the “island actually was the real world and the alt verse is a purgatory and that they’re souls metaphysically created the altverse and blah blah blah blah”.( horribly lazy writing btw)

    IF this is the case then WHY show the post credits scene with the wreckage of the plane with obviously no life to be seen, hence no one survived. ( Im also convinced the time of the wreckage scene is either right after the crash or shortly there after)

    The reality here is the creators did have the story arc planned out the entire time……when they still thought the show would be JUST a mini series. Everything else was added in with clearly no higher thought then to just pull you through. Time travel? walt/ michael? countless dharma plots?? aaron?? it goes on and on.

    For those that agree with this island/real world altworld/purgatory theory, please give your explanation of that last wreckage scene. There are some serious holes in this thing on many different levels.

  224. Mr. $tuart says:

    [quote comment=”375206″]Stuart the problem is there was never a “plan”, this was a tv show, not “War & Peace” writen in a way to build excitement and speculation so that you would tune in each week causing Frosted Mini Wheats and Target to continue to write checks. Stop trying to “understand” because there are NO answers.[/quote]
    I totally see your point. I just made that comment becuase the producers continue to insist and they have for a long time that they had a plan and they knew how it was going to play out from the very beginning and it’s been a topic of arguement as to whether that is true, or are they just filling us up with more BS. I vote BS.

  225. css says:

    I vote BS too!

  226. damn you lost says:

    [quote comment=”375210″]It seems that at this point the current agreed theory across major blogs is that the “island actually was the real world and the alt verse is a purgatory and that they’re souls metaphysically created the altverse and blah blah blah blah”.( horribly lazy writing btw)

    IF this is the case then WHY show the post credits scene with the wreckage of the plane with obviously no life to be seen, hence no one survived. ( Im also convinced the time of the wreckage scene is either right after the crash or shortly there after)

    The reality here is the creators did have the story arc planned out the entire time……when they still thought the show would be JUST a mini series. Everything else was added in with clearly no higher thought then to just pull you through. Time travel? walt/ michael? countless dharma plots?? aaron?? it goes on and on.

    For those that agree with this island/real world altworld/purgatory theory, please give your explanation of that last wreckage scene. There are some serious holes in this thing on many different levels.[/quote]
    Should have added what I actually think, that everything past the original flight 815 crash was purgatory and afterlife, and that all events, jacob/smokey, timetravel, etc where all manifested by the dead from the crash. But either way , my theory or the altverse/purgotory theory, its str8 bullshit writing, and the creators should be ashamed.

  227. 50/50 Lost Ending says:

    Yep, 116 nailed it, The plane crashed in real life, the island was real, Jacob was real, everything was real. Flash Sideways was “purgatory” and none of them could move on until they found each other. Most of them probably went on to lead normal long lives. As someone mentioned, Kate said she was waiting for Jack for a long time, which leads us to believe Kate lived a LONG life, maybe to 90 or 100. Now, Ben couldn’t go in because he either A.) was not dead yet, he was the #2 in charge of the island after Hurley died or B.) Just wasn’t ready yet. Miles, Richard and Lapedis probably weren’t there because they weren’t part of the initial crash, and didn’t have impacts on too many people.

    It’s not hard to figure out, in the end they all found each other, that is what matters.

  228. cc says:

    I knew they would pull this kind of a stunt. They basically outright said it when they said it was about the characters and the implied – it’s not about the story. It was story for the sake of story to generate emotion for the sake of emotion. That’s why you feel used, betrayed, emotionally drained but in the end it doesn’t satisfy the logic needs of your brain. It’s a post modern experience – go for the feeling but there’s no substance to back it all up.

  229. 50/50 Lost Ending says:

    As for the wreckage at the end with no sign of life, well of course not, those who lived walked away from it and they buried all the others who died, so that’s not hard to figure out.

  230. patrojan says:

    [quote comment=”375210″]It seems that at this point the current agreed theory across major blogs is that the “island actually was the real world and the alt verse is a purgatory and that they’re souls metaphysically created the altverse and blah blah blah blah”.( horribly lazy writing btw)

    IF this is the case then WHY show the post credits scene with the wreckage of the plane with obviously no life to be seen, hence no one survived. ( Im also convinced the time of the wreckage scene is either right after the crash or shortly there after)

    The reality here is the creators did have the story arc planned out the entire time……when they still thought the show would be JUST a mini series. Everything else was added in with clearly no higher thought then to just pull you through. Time travel? walt/ michael? countless dharma plots?? aaron?? it goes on and on.

    For those that agree with this island/real world altworld/purgatory theory, please give your explanation of that last wreckage scene. There are some serious holes in this thing on many different levels.[/quote]
    I think the closing scene is what the beach looks like now that everyone is gone – either dead or taken off on the Aljira plane.

  231. way_lost says:

    I thought Purgatory, like a lot of us, after season 1. I went back to thinking it after Christian told Michael on the freighter “you can go now”. Like…you can move on now. Then a few episodes ago we find out the whispers are dead people. Mix in the hocus pocus with Alpert living forever and smoke monsters. I think one interpretation could be that they all died on 815 and the ones who thought they survived were ones who weren’t ready. Maybe they needed to work some things out first or maybe they were trying to figure out if they were good or bad. Like Sayid. Oh yeah, why Shannon and not Nadia…wait doesn’t he get 30 virgins?

  232. Tasha says:

    This show isn’t about Purgotory…it’s about reincarnation!

  233. bubbles says:

    how did Eloise Hawking fit into all of this? Why did she hassle Desmond about not being ready, and then the time in the jewelry store telling him that he wasn’t supposed to be doing what he was doing? What exactly was he supposed to do?
    So during the whole FSW, everyone was dead? Does that mean Eloise was dead, too?

  234. BCinDC says:

    Just wishfull thinking but do u think D&C will have some sort of Q&A with some media and fans later on?

  235. bubbles says:

    Why wasn’t Sayid with Nadia? Wasn’t she the love of his life?

  236. Mr. $tuart says:

    LOL@ Sayid getting screwed out of his 70 virgins. Great comment way_lost.

  237. loster says:

    [quote comment=”375148″]I think 116 is right with one friendly amendment. I agree that everything on the Island was real (i.e., they did not all die when the plane crashed). That explains Hurley’s comment to Ben at the church. As Christian explained, some people in the church died before Jack, some at or about the same time, and others much, much later. (This explains Kate’s statement that she waited for so long to see Jack again – she must have lived a long life.) The Sidweways world was purgatory – a world where some of them could work out their issues until they were ready to move on. That’s why Ben can’t leave. He still has issues to figure out. Locke also needed to let go and move on.

    I found it disappointing. Better end would have been for Christian to lead all the people in the church back to the Island, and for the Island to be a terrestial Heaven. That would help explain why woman cannot conceive on the Island as well as Jacob’s and MIB’s roles.

    – everything on the Island is real aalthough I’m not sure that “they” created the Sideways world. My impression[/quote]
    i couldnt agree more :( pretty dissapointed

  238. way_lost says:

    Also, Rose living for so long without cancer and Locke’s legs…more hocus pocus. This also makes me think they died.

  239. Ben says:

    Thanks for the ride everyone.

  240. Dharris says:

    [quote comment=”375190″]I dont understand why in the FSW Jack would be married to Juliet and they would have kid. None of that was real….I just dont get THAT part explain someone please[/quote]

    Well, you have to understand that Jack and Kate never formally met (except for borrowing out his pen), besides she was a fugitive, so they never really stood a real chance. Now for Juliette, she is also in the medical profession, so it’s not completely farfetched that they met, married, and had a child. Does this help?

  241. bubbles says:

    what did Widmore want all along? To be the protector? What was the thing with all the kids being kidnapped by the Others? Dharma et al. ? The toed statue? The numbers? I am so bummed….What was so special about Walt? Anyone? Anyone? Throw me a bone, here….

  242. ICDeadppl says:

    I don’t think people weren’t in the church because they “weren’t dead yet” FSW exists outside of real time. Christian said “there is no now”. Everyone that lived in island time existed in FSW and were dead in island time. Ben was probably waiting for Alex to awaken prior to moving on. Who knows about the others missing from the church….probably chalk it up to production vs. storytelling

  243. cc says:

    So the whole thing with the underwater island was a big red herring. We were supposed to believe the whole island sank when it was just the New Otherton part when Sawyer said “That can’t be good”.

  244. Hurley's Dad says:

    So am I right in believing that the most vocal people are the negative nelly’s? I mean….I see some people on here who “got it” and “loved it”, but a lot of others just nitpicking and complaining.

    One of the other sites I vist has a thumbs up and thumbs down buttom and it’s 328-27 in favor….so what am I missing?

    I thought Darlton did a GREAT job of making this feel like the character driven drama that most of us fell in love with in season 1. And for that, I say “job well done”!

  245. Toeknee says:

    If the FSW was “purgatory” or something along those lines, what did the explosion of the bomb at the end of Season 5 actually accomplish? Based on tonight’s explanation, the bomb explosion didn’t necessarily “create” the FSW, correct? But in the real timeline, the bomb explodes, sending Jack, Sawyer et al from 1977 back to where they are supposed to be chronologically, in other words, to 2007, at a time after the swan station was built and after it was blown up by Desmond turning the fail safe key. Does that mean that the bomb explosion in 1977 was indeed the Incident and the Dharma folks survived it and went on to build the Swan station? So Faraday’s theory in “The Variable” that detonating the H-bomb would change the future and OA815 would never crash was wrong. And his original theory that “whatever happened happened” was correct, and there’s only one timeline that exists and no one can change it?

  246. Mr. $tuart says:

    [quote comment=”375231″]So am I right in believing that the most vocal people are the negative nelly’s? I mean….I see some people on here who “got it” and “loved it”, but a lot of others just nitpicking and complaining.

    One of the other sites I vist has a thumbs up and thumbs down buttom and it’s 328-27 in favor….so what am I missing?

    I thought Darlton did a GREAT job of making this feel like the character driven drama that most of us fell in love with in season 1. And for that, I say “job well done”![/quote]
    [quote comment=”375231″]So am I right in believing that the most vocal people are the negative nelly’s? I mean….I see some people on here who “got it” and “loved it”, but a lot of others just nitpicking and complaining.

    One of the other sites I vist has a thumbs up and thumbs down buttom and it’s 328-27 in favor….so what am I missing?

    I thought Darlton did a GREAT job of making this feel like the character driven drama that most of us fell in love with in season 1. And for that, I say “job well done”![/quote]

    I think this could have been a great ending if the show had progressed the way it did during season one. The problem I have is that it doesn’t jive with the last couple seasons. All the time travel and crap like that became totally unnecessary given this ending. It was an interesting ending and an emotional one as well, but the problem people are having is the fact that many parts of the series were meaningless and very “important” questions never got remotely answered.

  247. Ermac says:

    I agree, why did they kidnap the kids. WTF were the Others? Why is Walt special? What are the numbers? What? Why?

  248. cc says:

    So Darlton said they wrote Lost to be the show that they would want to watch and enjoy. I thought I liked the same thing they did and they had me fooled until almost the end of the season. I stuck it out but it became increasingly clear they had no intention of satisfying the mystery lovers’ need for answers. The whole point of fore-shadowing is the pay off of the reveal. The whole point of planning from the start is to have a coherent series of events. All I can say is we watched the show you liked Darlton and I don’t like it. Now I know and I don’t have to watch anything else that you have to offer. The end.

  249. bubbles says:

    what of Vincent?

  250. Ps says:

    If ending was related to some religious stuff then what was the need to do time travel and nuclear bomb explosions etc. Will I trust any scifi series after this or similar to lost? Heck no. I will always have this lost bs at the back of my mind.

  251. Ps says:

    Fans let go!!!

  252. Lola says:

    I’m satisfied, it really couldn’t have ended any other way…the only thing I don’t get is Jack’s father told him, “some died before you, others way after”…but then the last thing they showed was the 815 plane wreckage, implying that they did not survive the crash.

  253. eve says:

    So if they were all dead since they crashed on the island and were have a mass halucination, what’s with the real world stuff. Didn’t they have a big deal online about Dharma. Did they ever explain any of that? What about the book by a “real” author that Sawyer was reading? If they were all dead does that mean we’re all dead too and imagining everything? What a bad way to end things.

  254. Ben says:

    In response to the 815 wreckage, i think they just needed a backdrop for the credits.

  255. Mr. $tuart says:

    [quote comment=”375241″]In response to the 815 wreckage, i think they just needed a backdrop for the credits.[/quote]
    That’s what I thought too, but I can see how people thought it meant they died in the crash.

  256. Toeknee says:

    So pre-Jacob, his mother was basically protecting the light from any random person who stumbled upon the island. Then for 2000 years, Jacob protected it from MiB. This was a serious threat – MiB apparently knew how to destroy the island. Then after MiB and Jack die, Hurley and Ben protect the island, presumably from random people who stumble upon the island? Who else is alive who knows anything about the island, who would want to harm it? So Hurley and Ben must have it pretty easy, assuming they do find a way that they can come and go from the island whenever they want? Do they reconnect with Eloise Hawking? What does Richard do with his life? He could still be involved in the island’s caretaking.

  257. Toeknee says:

    A few more random thoughts:

    How did Jack get out of the hole at the end? Ben & Hurley had given up on him and left him for dead.

    Who did help Desmond get out of the well in the previous episode?

    Why wasn’t Des & Penny’s son Charlie with them in the church?

    Why wasn’t Ji Yeon there?

    The whole business of people drinking some water and becoming the island’s protector and the “now you’re like me” all reminded me of Monty Python and the Holy Grail: “Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony”

  258. Jacob's sister says:

    I think this was the right ending for the show. It was always about the community of characters and how they influence each other and impact each other’s lives and symbolic of how we all do the same.

    However, I disagree that the island was “real life” and the flash sideways was after they all died. I think they were both vehicles after death for all of the characters to grow. I believe the island was the vehicle for the characters, together, to come to terms with who they are as people themselves/individually and the flash sideways was the way for them to accept their role as a community. I do agree, tho, that it would have been much more palatable to have Miles and Lapidus and Richard in the church! I think that the timelines are actually one – when the characters died in the island timeline they started the sideways timeline but since in the afterlife time does not matter they all began sideways time together even tho they died at separate times in island time.

    overall i think instead of focusing on the details (what is the numbers exactly, etc) the overall ideas and symbolic nature to the show are what makes it so touching. What is the meaning of life and death? Community? What role does religion and spirituality and their balance have in life? it’s like focusing on the letter of the law instead of the spirit…like counting all the rules of the bible and living detailed by them instead of living to its spirit…

  259. Lola says:

    [quote comment=”375115″]HBO would have never fcked it up like this![/quote]

    apparently you’ve never seen The Sopranos or Deadwood.

  260. Lola says:

    [quote comment=”375242″][quote comment=”375241″]In response to the 815 wreckage, i think they just needed a backdrop for the credits.[/quote]
    That’s what I thought too, but I can see how people thought it meant they died in the crash.[/quote]

    not so sure about that, the backdrop could have been the island itself.

  261. Michigan Geezer says:

    I said it was purgatory after season one. I said they were all dead from the crash. All the other stuff : Dharma, polar bear, Ben, etc. are all just suffering Jack had to go through to get to heaven. My sunk costs were too high to back out. I was right years ago.

  262. PJSander says:

    P.E.R.F.E.C.T.

    I’ve no more to say on it. It has been a great six years. Thanks to all the regulars around here, who’ve made the process an even more interesting journey.

    : ) P

  263. wingman says:

    Kimmel might have had the best after-episode theory of everyone else I read…All the audience members crying though was literally hysterical…

  264. Fahd says:

    Awesome … very fitting ending for a totally addictive show … they didn’t answer questions, but that wasn’t the point … pure entertainment. The End felt like it came out of season 1

  265. wingman says:

    So PJSaunder, i knew we talked a long way back, so you were satisfied in the end huh?

  266. Hurley's Dad says:

    [quote comment=”375244″]A few more random thoughts:

    How did Jack get out of the hole at the end? Ben & Hurley had given up on him and left him for dead.[/quote]
    He washed through, just like MIB’s body did 2000 years ago.

    [quote comment=”375244″]Who did help Desmond get out of the well in the previous episode?[/quote]
    Rose and Bernard

    [quote comment=”375244″]Why wasn’t Des & Penny’s son Charlie with them in the church?

    Why wasn’t Ji Yeon there?[/quote]
    I guess for these two questions, my answer would be that you can’t have everyone’s relative in this location. Jack’s Dad was there, why not Kate’s Mom or Ji Yeon or Charlie Hume or Juliet’s sister? These were all important parts of these people’s lives, but not a part of the “Jack Story” life.

  267. Hurley's Dad says:

    [quote comment=”375248″]I said it was purgatory after season one. I said they were all dead from the crash. All the other stuff : Dharma, polar bear, Ben, etc. are all just suffering Jack had to go through to get to heaven. My sunk costs were too high to back out. I was right years ago.[/quote]
    It wasn’t purgatory – but you were close :)

  268. lostisover says:

    a few things..

    why did it matter what flocke did once he became mortal? if he got to the real world he wouldnt have his powers to do all those evil things he supposedly was going to do.

    also, how does the ending of season 5 tie into this all. what actually happened when Juliet set off the bomb? because the way they made it seem is that the bomb created the alternate reality, but it didnt kill them?

    also, i wish that they would have expanded on what would have happened if smokey got off the island and into the real world. all they said was that everyone they ever knew and loved would die, but i feel like if they expanded on it like saying that he would spread sickness like he did to sayid and claire, that it would have made the story of them trying to keep him on the island and contained in the wine bottle much more interesting

  269. Felipe says:

    Cannot buy the Shyamalan ending.
    Do not get me wrong. Some elements of the finale were very touching. The fact that Jack was only able to envision his past through his father. The coffin. Jack and Kate’s reunion.
    To me the ending would have been somewhat more rewarding if Jack had actually gotten his father’s burial. It would have brought closure to the whole series and to the Jack’s character and his quest.
    But there is no way in hell (pun intended) I can digest the Shyamalan touch, the ecumenical Church, the easy/sloppy Ghost Whisperer sentimentalism.

  270. cameron says:

    sneaker hanging in bamboo in the pilot is new same sneaker still hanging is old lends credence to the theory that the island time was real

  271. wingman says:

    The island time was real…People should jump over that hurdle now…

  272. Felipe says:

    And listen.
    I am not one of those how have been whining about lack of answers to certain perennial questions.
    One of the features of the show to me was that its narrative verily resembled a myth quite often.
    But as someone said earlier, the Church scene was completly unlike Lost.

  273. Felipe says:

    In retrospect I think I might have also overestimated the writers of the series.
    So much great stuff in the plot was reminiscent of great fantastic literature. Wells, Adolfo Bioy Casares…
    The dreamlike nature of the island is very reminiscent of Casares island in The Invention of Morel.
    In the end it was never literature. Just Tv.

  274. Andrew B says:

    I don’t know what you guys were talking about I thought it was the best 2:30 hours of TV I’ve ever seen.

    Thought that Christian not being in the coffin was really surprising.

    Best show ever, well done!

  275. enik says:

    Explain these please:

    – Walt is special. So special that he will never be seen or heard from again.
    – Sonic fence OR Jacob’s ashes will keep out the horrible smoke monster. Take your pick.
    – Drink the water, “Now you’re like me.” — But first, let’s make a big deal over a cup. Gots to have a cup. Or there ain’t gonna be a new Jacob.
    – Miles can talk with those that have just died. No reason. Just can.
    – Jughead blew up. Juliet said, “It worked!” Everyone’s dead now.
    – Locke and Hume are philosophers. That’s nice.
    – Contributors to this blog must protect it from anyone that may doubt the blessed Darlton — and from anyone that would otherwise plan to do it harm. (Hammer is NOT a candidate.)
    – Smoke monster kills Eko with some cool special effects. Writers figure they have plenty ‘o time to explain this. These special effects never to be seen again.
    – ABC cancels The Nine, Invasion, and Fast Forward. And everything else that is an hour before or after LOST. (If Lost did not end this season, ABC would have canceled the 11 o’clock news. It’s TRUE.)
    – DHARMA supply drop doesn’t stop. It just keeps going plop.
    – Hugo makes many fun Star Wars references. These are not the answers you were looking for. Move along.
    – Darlton starts sayin’ they are too sleepy to do podcasts.

  276. Lost Goon says:

    [quote comment=”375234″]I agree, why did they kidnap the kids. WTF were the Others? Why is Walt special? What are the numbers? What? Why?[/quote]

    They kidnapped the kids to separate them from ‘corrupt mankind’ the same way Jacob and MIB were kidnapped at birth….this gives them the best possible chance to be candidates to replace Jacob….walt was just another candidate but due to certain circumstances (Michael trading multiple other candidates for him to get him back and leave the island) jacob had to let walt go. Obviously not all candidates work out and Jacob new when it was time to let go. This is the same as him crossing kate’s name off in the cave since she was now a mother.

    The show was perfect. If you take the time to really think about everything, there really isn’t much that can’t be explained. Just because certain answers aren’t what you necessarily would want them to be doesn’t mean they aren’t there.

  277. Felipe says:

    [quote comment=”375261″]I don’t know what you guys were talking about I thought it was the best 2:30 hours of TV I’ve ever seen.

    Thought that Christian not being in the coffin was really surprising.

    Best show ever, well done![/quote]

    Surprising, not good.

  278. Mr. $tuart says:

    I think this episode is the epitomy of LOST. Sawyer and Hugo had me laughing. When Hugo said Jacob was worse at giving answers than Yoda I busted out laughing and darn near missed Sawyer say he would go find the magical leprechaun. Classic. The battle between Jack and Locke on the cliff was amazing. Kate comes out of nowhere to save Jack. Emotional love connection scenes. Great acting and diaglogue. The scene with Jack and Locke after the surgery was perfect. The scene at the church with Locke and Ben was great stuff as well. But at the end of the day we were left with unexplainable craziness and tons of questions.

  279. Deborah says:

    LIPIDUS WASN’T IN THE CHURCH BECAUSE HE WASN’T THE PILOT OF OCEANIC 815. HE OVERSLEPT AND MISSED THE FLIGH & WAS REPLACED BY ANOTHER PILOT WHO LATER KILLED BY THE SMOKE MONSTER

  280. Mr. $tuart says:

    [quote comment=”375266″]LIPIDUS WASN’T IN THE CHURCH BECAUSE HE WASN’T THE PILOT OF OCEANIC 815. HE OVERSLEPT AND MISSED THE FLIGH & WAS REPLACED BY ANOTHER PILOT WHO LATER KILLED BY THE SMOKE MONSTER[/quote]
    So. Penny wasn’t on the plane either.

  281. Felipe says:

    [quote comment=”375265″]I think this episode is the epitomy of LOST. Sawyer and Hugo had me laughing. When Hugo said Jacob was worse at giving answers than Yoda I busted out laughing and darn near missed Sawyer say he would go find the magical leprechaun. Classic. The battle between Jack and Locke on the cliff was amazing. Kate comes out of nowhere to save Jack. Emotional love connection scenes. Great acting and diaglogue. The scene with Jack and Locke after the surgery was perfect. The scene at the church with Locke and Ben was great stuff as well. But at the end of the day we were left with unexplainable craziness and tons of questions.[/quote]

    To me some of season 6 was a descensus ad inferos for the show.

  282. Tyler says:

    Let me suggest very briefly where I both agree and disagree with those who are frustrated.

    I agree with many of the above comments that after tonight’s episode it is obvious that the “plan” the writers had was “what happens is important, because it changes people and that really does happen, but…it doesn’t matter that much what actually happens so long as people change in important ways.”

    I think that one’s reaction is largely based upon whether you are in the camp that for something to be important, it doest just have to happen, it also has to be important…or whether you are comfortable that if things happen that end up being important, then they are in fact important. I know that is a bit abstract and stylized, but its my try.

    I do agree with most critics however that this episode clearly cast the whole series in camp 2 of my stylized extremes above. It was stupid to try and hide this chosen route with the fake mysticism of the last scene.

  283. Felipe says:

    If I may, it seems as if there are so far three groups of losties after the finale.

    Those who have, for god knows why, just LOVED the finale (maybe for the same reasons Shyamalan is taken to be great cinema)

    Those who are very (with varying degrees) unsatisfied with the lack of answers and plot holes.

    And some like me who just thought the “surprising” ending was sloppy and lazy.

  284. Lost now Fond says:

    What happened on the island actually took place. They weren’t meant to die yet. They all died at different points. They subconsciously made the flash sideways to meet before the afterlife. The numbers were the numbers that were haunting Hurley. the dog was some sort of island guide. Look at the shoes in episode 1. The same shoes are aged and tattered in the final episode. Time had taken place. The island exists for real and is a magical place.

  285. The Doors says:

    First of all thanks to everyone who contributed and read this blog. I found this blog in season 3 and have been following it ever since.

    I was initially shocked at the ending. The more I let it set in the more I like it.

    The way I see it, if you only see the “island time” without the FSW this season you get a very satisfying open ended “ending.”

    I feel the FSW was done more for the fans to get “emotional closure.” It was great to see those flashback moments and Juliet and Sawyer reunited again.

    island time = “REAL” ending
    FSW = “happily ever after” ending

    I guess LOST can have its cake and eat it too…

    Once again thanks to everyone and I’ll catch you in another life brotha (or sister)

  286. gmtaleah says:

    Exellent ending ,worth all the wait . sad, moving and fulfilled my expectations.Thanks to the web site. hammer,pj,toeknee,lost4ever,misskim, thanks for nothing .bye

  287. jaymit says:

    So basically if you were watching it more for the all the mystery and sci-fi parts of it like I was…. you feel screwed over like they just bs’d the whole thing.

    But if you were watching it more for the character stories and relationships and back stories about their lives.. then you get nice closure and you’re happy with the ending.

    Don’t get me wrong, I liked the characters as much as the next person, but there’s no way I would’ve kept watching this show without all the sci-fi island mystery. With just the character stories and their relationships to each other, the show would’ve been horribly boring. At least that’s what i think. That being said, they should’ve answered more questions and neatly wrapped the mysteries up as well IMO.

  288. Mateo says:

    Ok, here it goes…
    What happened on the island really happened, they were alive and real. FSW was a “limbo” world for all the souls to awaken. Someone earlier pointed out correctly, the characters realize that they died maybe a minute difference but that minute could have been 50 yrs in the real world… time does not exist in limbo.

    Most ask why we dont see Eko, Walt, Lapidous, etc in the church… the reason is for some reason they did not need someone to help them find their way to the afterlife. They didnt have soulmates or need friends to find their way to the afterlife, or possibly they went to Hell. Either way, the ones in the church needed help finding their way, as Christian said. Also, some just werent ready yet (like Desmond said about Ana Lucia or when David’s mother was worried she was losing Daniel).

    The only thing I dont get is the final scene with the airplane wreckage with no one alive, just silence.

    I would love to see a follow up spin off show: Hurley & Ben Rule the Island!!

    Loved this show, great ending! Want to watch it all over again to catch other things, like I remember Christian telling the dog to go wake Jack up…

  289. mICHAEL says:

    Comment 142’s explanation is the BEST!!! IT MAKES SENSE NOW!!!! CHEERS!!!!

  290. Newbie says:

    Is it really that obvious that the FSW was the afterlife? May be that’s the easiest term to attribute to it, but that’s not what I thought when Christian was telling Jack about it.

    I interpreted it to be another reality that really was set off when they exploded the bomb in 1977. I say this because when Juliet dies in Sawyer’s arms her subconsciousness travels to FSW where she sees a glimpse of her conversation with Sawyer at the vending machine. If FSW was in fact death, that means she saw both her and Sawyer in the afterlife, and in fact traveled there before she finally died when she told Sawyer that “it worked”. What worked? Them dying? I don’t think so. Likewise, Desmond told Jack when they were in the light cave that he could take them to a better place. I don’t think it makes much sense for him to say that he wants to take Jack to the afterlife.

    When Christian said that we all die at some point I believe that he was trying to say that death is not what’s important. What’s important is redemption. We will all die sooner or later, but what’s important is the peace we find along the way, and the people who have helped us get there. Their journey on the island helped them find peace through the adversity and trial, and the mysteries surrounding the island enhanced their faith. Jack indeed died on the island, but he lives in peace in his other life.

  291. pocomundo says:

    Just finished the Lost finale. I was a Lost fan until the ending tonight. The creators chose the easiest way out. In the end the only things lost were my time invested in viewing and my hope from the beginning that they wouldn’t do what they did to us, using the cheap way out. I am not that surprised that what I hoped was not the case, is just that. There are other shows that lead one on with good story telling only to end up with a stupid climax/result. Lost is no better.

  292. stormclouds13 says:

    Many people are asking why Miles, Richard, Lapidus, Desmond and Penny’s son, Sun and Jin’s daughter, Walt, etc., were not in the church. Christian told Jack that the time he spent with the people on the island was the most important time of his life, in much the same way Eloise told Desmond several seasons ago during his flashes that pushing the button was the most important thing he’d ever do.

    My interpretation is that the group gathered in the church were together at the most important times of their lives. Ben wasn’t ready to go in yet because being a father to Alex was the most important thing he ever did, so he was waiting for her. Richard was likely in the process of finding his wife, the children may have grown up and experienced other important events and therefore had their own groups of people to meet, the freighter team may have done more significant things either before or after the island, Walt may have finally put his special powers to good use, etc. It reminds me of The Last Battle from the Chronicles of Narnia, where people initially end up in different parts of Aslan’s country even when they have been connected in life.

    I’m still confused about Eloise, though. It doesn’t make a whole lot of sense for her to be advising against “moving on.” I can understand her wanting to hang on to Daniel, but why not just let the rest of them go? This makes me think that maybe the footage of the crash site at the very end was meant to imply that “moving on” meant returning to the island. Or maybe seeing the crash site empty meant that the bright light in the church was all of them disappearing into oblivion. But of course we’ll never know!

  293. silentlucidity says:

    [quote comment=”375218″]Like Sayid. Oh yeah, why Shannon and not Nadia…wait doesn’t he get 30 virgins?[/quote]

    You are a racist….

  294. Fresh says:

    Dear Lost,

    Thanks for the really nice story about heaven. But I had been watching a story about a strange island.

    What about the gaddam island?!

  295. First Time Long Time says:

    This was by far the best thing ever shown on film or television, these 2 and a half hours (with commercials). EVER.

    I am shocked at how many people are pissed at the ending, or, even worse, are upset for the wrong reasons or can’t figure out easy shit.

    Juliet saying “it worked” was a reference to when Juliet told him how to retrieve the candy bar out of the vending machine in FSW when they met up. It wasn’t a reference to the bomb. With her dying words, basically, she had a glimpse into the afterlife.

    And why are so many people confused about this plane wreckage that they say is the final scene of the show. For goodness sake people, THE LAST IMAGE OF LOST IS JACK’S EYE CLOSING AND THEN THE SCREEN FLASHES TO THE BLACK “LOST” SCREEN.

  296. First Time Long Time says:

    Didn’t mean to send that without adding some more stuff…

    Tbe brilliance of this show is twofold. One, the characters and the actual drama produced was compelling and amazing. I agree with somebody else that said that this finale reminded them of season 1, which was so character driven. It’s no coincidence that season 1 is generally regarded as the best of the show. Tonight what we saw was truly compelling television, and everybody that I know was crying while watching it tonight on many different occasions. That simply doesn’t happen without characters that truly grab you and stick with you.

    And two, the mysteries were a part of what made this show amazing. We talked about them. Debated them. Did this for years. And when they don’t answer every one, many of you complain. Really? So the producers give us a show to discuss and debate unlike anything else ever on TV, and we complain about this? Their goal wasn’t to answer everything. Their goal was to create compelling television, and they did. Lost became a phenomenon largely because of this.

    If you’ve watched the entire series from start to finish, this ending actually makes sense. So what if we don’t know all of the answers and some of it is ambiguous? And as compelling as it was, I just do not understand how so many people here seem miffed about it.

    I’ll say it again. Tonight’s episode was the single greatest thing to ever appear on television or film.

  297. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment=”375282″]
    Juliet saying “it worked” was a reference to when Juliet told him how to retrieve the candy bar out of the vending machine in FSW when they met up. It wasn’t a reference to the bomb. With her dying words, basically, she had a glimpse into the afterlife.
    [/quote]
    I would really like it if this were the explanation, but I don’t think it is. The way that conversation transpired is that Sawyer was holding the dying Juliet, and she said she had something “really really important” to tell him. Then she died. Later Sawyer has Miles find out what Juliet wanted to tell him and Miles says “It worked……That’s what she wanted to tell you. It worked.” If she’s referring to the vending machine, why is it “really really important”?

  298. lostfreak says:

    Favorite alternate ending.

    After everyone remembers and hurley becomes the leader, just have a clip of hurley’s face as he wakes up in the nut house. (preferably with the numbers guy sitting next to him saying the numbers) :D

  299. Toeknee says:

    (Hope I get the quote and reply thing right on this)

    [quote comment=”375253″][quote comment=”375244″]A few more random thoughts:

    How did Jack get out of the hole at the end? Ben & Hurley had given up on him and left him for dead.[/quote]
    He washed through, just like MIB’s body did 2000 years ago.
    [/quote]
    I had thought MiB’s body was forced out by the smoke monster. There didn’t seem to be any similar force that would push Jack UP the waterfall, then out of the cave.

    [quote comment=”375253″]

    [quote comment=”375244″]Who did help Desmond get out of the well in the previous episode?[/quote]
    Rose and Bernard
    [/quote]
    Oh , yeah. Duh!

    [quote comment=”375253″]
    [quote comment=”375244″]Why wasn’t Des & Penny’s son Charlie with them in the church?

    Why wasn’t Ji Yeon there?[/quote]
    I guess for these two questions, my answer would be that you can’t have everyone’s relative in this location. Jack’s Dad was there, why not Kate’s Mom or Ji Yeon or Charlie Hume or Juliet’s sister? These were all important parts of these people’s lives, but not a part of the “Jack Story” life.[/quote]
    Yeah I guess that’s one part of that scene that doesn’t make any sense. Is the scene supposed to be from Jack’s perspective, and a function of his life only, so these are people that were important in his time on the island? And each character will have his or her own post-death event where they meet up with people that were important to their lives – so in Desmond’s case, many of these same charactes would be there, along with Charlie Hume, Eloise Hawking, Daniel Faraday, etc.? Or is it more of a communal event, where all of these people were important to the island and to each other, and by all coming together like this they can now go on to heaven? But if that’s the case we could list many many characters that “should” be there, but why weren’t they?

  300. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment=”375273″]Exellent ending ,worth all the wait . sad, moving and fulfilled my expectations.Thanks to the web site. hammer,pj,toeknee,lost4ever,misskim, thanks for nothing .bye[/quote]
    You’re welc- hey, what?

  301. Lostfan says:

    [quote comment=”375271″]What happened on the island actually took place. They weren’t meant to die yet. They all died at different points. They subconsciously made the flash sideways to meet before the afterlife. The numbers were the numbers that were haunting Hurley. the dog was some sort of island guide. Look at the shoes in episode 1. The same shoes are aged and tattered in the final episode. Time had taken place. The island exists for real and is a magical place.[/quote]

    Yes – totally agree with this. The island crash scene at the end was 1. backdrop for credits 2. so we’d all keep blogging about it for weeks 3. absolutely irrelevant. If they showed the dead bodies of Kate, Sawyer, Jack, etc….then it would have meant they died in the original crash. They didn’t – therefore I’m taking Christian literally when he told Jack that there is no “time” after death and everybody dies “sometime.” Some before you…some after you.

    Those in the church were there to reunite with the important people in their lives. Those who weren’t there either had more to do (like Ben) or simply didn’t find the island as important to them in their mortal life to hold onto it in the afterlife.

    And Jimmy Kimmel was very funny – though I’m regretting staying up so late now.

  302. victor says:

    [quote comment=”375231″]So am I right in believing that the most vocal people are the negative nelly’s? I mean….I see some people on here who “got it” and “loved it”, but a lot of others just nitpicking and complaining.
    [/quote]

    Negative nelly? Come on. The emperor has no clothes. When you strip away the mysteries, which don’t make any sense, the plot is pretty juevenile. Jack versus Smokey. Desmond pulls the ‘rock plug’ out and Smokey become mortal again (which they copied from Superman 2), Jack kills Smokey, and Jack puts the ‘rock plug’ back. Sorry I’m not overwhelmed.

    Oh and after supposedly not being able to kill the Candidates then Smokey can kill Jack.

    Other mysteries … the temple, the spring of life, the infection (Claire & sayid), why sayid supposedly couldn’t let Flocke speak before stabbing him.

  303. UrbanDigs says:

    To me this ending was EXACTLY the same as in the movie “Jacobs Ladder”. If you didnt see that movie, go see it even though its a good, but not great film.

    I dont want to spoil Jacobs Ladder for anyone that didnt see it, but the ending of LOST is exactly the same. It was all about acknowledging that you were dead, accepting it, and getting help from a past loved one to move on.

  304. UrbanDigs says:

    Ill say something else. For me, knowing the ending now and the direction the writers decided to go, it would have been much more thought provoking if the final Jack scene was a cycle back to the minutes after the original plane crash, and in fact the entire series took place in a matter of minutes, in Jacks mind, and was his personal battle with letting go and dyeing from the original OA815 crash

  305. Jay says:

    Still mullin it over but I mostly liked the ending (not my wife). Agree with post #116 completely. SOme other points:

    – Believe Jacob’s description of the island. The “cork” blocks the pathway to hell. The interaction of the water and the energy coming from the cork provide the light which is life.

    – Jack gets stabbed in the side (similar to spear in Christ who then died for people’s sins?)

  306. wthcrs says:

    [quote comment=”375283″]Didn’t mean to send that without adding some more stuff…

    Tbe brilliance of this show is twofold. One, the characters and the actual drama produced was compelling and amazing. I agree with somebody else that said that this finale reminded them of season 1, which was so character driven. It’s no coincidence that season 1 is generally regarded as the best of the show. Tonight what we saw was truly compelling television, and everybody that I know was crying while watching it tonight on many different occasions. That simply doesn’t happen without characters that truly grab you and stick with you.

    And two, the mysteries were a part of what made this show amazing. We talked about them. Debated them. Did this for years. And when they don’t answer every one, many of you complain. Really? So the producers give us a show to discuss and debate unlike anything else ever on TV, and we complain about this? Their goal wasn’t to answer everything. Their goal was to create compelling television, and they did. Lost became a phenomenon largely because of this.

    If you’ve watched the entire series from start to finish, this ending actually makes sense. So what if we don’t know all of the answers and some of it is ambiguous? And as compelling as it was, I just do not understand how so many people here seem miffed about it.

    I’ll say it again. Tonight’s episode was the single greatest thing to ever appear on television or film.[/quote]

    You talking al lot of shit. The show ended and there where a LOT of questions and we got NOT ONE fucking answer and you talking about the greatest thing to ever appear on television? Come on…

  307. z says:

    [quote comment=”375270″]

    And some like me who just thought the “surprising” ending was sloppy and lazy.[/quote]

    This is the camp I find myself in. While Lost has been a character-driven show, the incredible plot twists and expanding mythology of the past six seasons equalled – if not surpassed – the character-driven feel of the series.

    I am mostly disappointed because the two biggest overarching themes: Good v. Evil and Destine v. Free Will did not play into the finale at all!

    I am not even going into other myths that I hoped would be illuminated (i.e. what were Widmore’s intentions, what was time travelling for? why did Faraday confuse everything with his skinny-tie theories, etc). And I never wanted Darlton to answer all of my questions (numbers, Walt, etc),

    I nevertheless expected the finale to display continuity. It felt completely detached from everything I invested in. It was sloppy, the ‘awakening scenes’ made me want to puke. At one point I even pondered whether the writers had turned over the finale to some interns to write. The script displayed none of the wittiness and good writing I enjoyed throughout the first 6 seasons.

    I almost prefer a Soprano-like ending to this hot mess!

    I feel betrayed.

  308. Hurley's Dad says:

    [quote comment=”375293″]Still mullin it over but I mostly liked the ending (not my wife).[/quote]
    It’s OK – I liked the ending and don’t like my wife either… ;)

    Is it oversimplifying it to say the people that watched for the character stories loved the finale and the ones that watched for the sci-fi and mysteries did not? That seems to be what I’m hearing.

    LOST was a VERY complicated show with a VERY simple premise. And I loved almost every single minute of it…but then again….I’m a character guy.

  309. eve says:

    It was EPIC alright. EPIC Fail. EPIC waste of time. EPIC not worth the brain power to figure anything out. EPIC way to disrespect your core audience. Darlton was right – once in a lifetime to be part of this – because after this I won’t be watching anything they have to offer. EPIC fail.

  310. z says:

    oh, and what was that whole bit on Dogan, Lennon and the temple about? Seriously, all I ask for is some continuity.

  311. Robjan says:

    [quote comment=”375295″][quote comment=”375270″]

    And some like me who just thought the “surprising” ending was sloppy and lazy.[/quote]

    This is the camp I find myself in. While Lost has been a character-driven show, the incredible plot twists and expanding mythology of the past six seasons equalled – if not surpassed – the character-driven feel of the series.
    [/quote]

    I completely agree. It’s great that the show was character-driven, but for the section of the audience who DIDN’T necessarily watch it for the love stories, rather the mysteries, we got utterly screwed.

    I UNDERSTAND the ending, I’m just trying to say that I didn’t LIKE it! It didn’t speak to me as to what I was looking for in a finale show.

    It’s our fault, really, if we didn’t like the end because we raised D&C on a pedestal to the point that they became rock stars and they probably believed they could do no wrong. I really think they have an attitude of, ‘if you don’t like the ending, then you’re not as smart as us.’

    Well, D&C, the jokes on you after that absolutely creepy scene in bed together on the Kimmel show! ‘Lost’ a lot of respect for you after that.

  312. way_lost says:

    [quote comment=”375244″]A few more random thoughts:

    How did Jack get out of the hole at the end? Ben & Hurley had given up on him and left him for dead.

    Who did help Desmond get out of the well in the previous episode?

    Why wasn’t Des & Penny’s son Charlie with them in the church?

    Why wasn’t Ji Yeon there?

    The whole business of people drinking some water and becoming the island’s protector and the “now you’re like me” all reminded me of Monty Python and the Holy Grail:

    “Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony”[/quote]
    Jack woke up on the same rock that MIB was on after Jacob threw him in the cave.

    Bernard and Rose helped Dez.

    And I’m guessing those who weren’t there either were not ready to move on and leave purgatory or they were in Hell. Maybe Ben wasn’t allowed in the church and he was the only one who knew it. Hurley presumably lived on the Island for a long time…if he was like Jacob. So Ben had been waiting for a while. There os the other theory that Ben didn’t want to move on with out Alex. She wasn’t there for some odd reason.

  313. Miss lost says:

    I think Lost came out the way it came in! I loved that it ended with Jack’s eye closing! It was beautiful and they were all able to accept that they really lived. In FSW they all seemed “zombie” like. No real passion, no real emotion.
    I liked that Locke told Jack, You don’t have a son. That was powerful.
    Once Jack was able to let himself be awaken he was a peace with his life he had.
    Not sure why it was those specific people that Jack needed to be with him to usher him into death, but this show in the long run was centered on his path…and the people he met along the way.

  314. jalili007 says:

    [quote comment=”375112″]so no walt or michael… and where was frank and alpert and miles in the end church part?[/quote]

    Dude, so I heard that Michael doesn’t go to heaven he stays in pergatory or the island where he becomes a part of the other whispering voices. he alludes to it somewhere in earlier seasons.

  315. LizS says:

    Still mulling as well–but there were some beautiful moments, and some funny ones.

    So, who was David, then? Jack’s opportunity to be the father he wanted his father to be to him? i don’t get that part, even if I get the spiritual REST/MAKE READY of the FSW.

    I liked seeing so many of the old characters.

    There was a poetry to the end, and Vincent keeping Jack company in death. Good dog!

    I think Vincent should have gotten the E-ticket to Paradise/White-Light as well–why the hell not?

    LOVED Hurley and Ben as guardians. What kinda Island would Hugo make? Something fun, and not so much D&D. And I agree there should be a James & Miles cop show–they rocked.

    The love reunions–aw!

    Ben sitting outside the church of everything–kinda sweet and lonely, but OK, too.

    I don’t see see the FSW between bit as all Jack related, as other characters had their own wind ups there as well–there was a lot that was good-bye for US the viewers/fans–relationships that might have been if the people had lived, had different opportunities/choices…

  316. way_lost says:

    [quote comment=”375289″][quote comment=”375271″]What happened on the island actually took place. They weren’t meant to die yet. They all died at different points. They subconsciously made the flash sideways to meet before the afterlife. The numbers were the numbers that were haunting Hurley. the dog was some sort of island guide. Look at the shoes in episode 1. The same shoes are aged and tattered in the final episode. Time had taken place. The island exists for real and is a magical place.[/quote]

    Yes – totally agree with this. The island crash scene at the end was 1. backdrop for credits 2. so we’d all keep blogging about it for weeks 3. absolutely irrelevant. If they showed the dead bodies of Kate, Sawyer, Jack, etc….then it would have meant they died in the original crash. They didn’t – therefore I’m taking Christian literally when he told Jack that there is no “time” after death and everybody dies “sometime.” Some before you…some after you.

    Those in the church were there to reunite with the important people in their lives. Those who weren’t there either had more to do (like Ben) or simply didn’t find the island as important to them in their mortal life to hold onto it in the afterlife.

    And Jimmy Kimmel was very funny – though I’m regretting staying up so late now.[/quote]
    I like this. It would explain why Walt, Echo, and some others weren’t there, but why was Libby there. She only knew those people for a few days.

  317. ICDeadppl says:

    Ok, after sleeping on it, I think I liked the ending. Two observations:
    1. The finale didn’t answer any questions about the Island itself. It only answered some of the questions that were created this season. And it created a lot more questions – to paraphrase mother – the more questions I answer, the more you will have. Foreshadowing, perhaps?
    2. The power of the mystical world of Jacob, MIB and the island seem to be diminished by the ending. The island seemed to open up some New and nuanced thoughts on life, morality and death, and perhaps religion. The whole church scene seemed a bit cliche relying on old and common symbols of religion (religious icons, Christian Shepherd, The Light, purgatory, souls, etc).

  318. Stowy says:

    All in all, it was a good ending with a few tears shed along the way. I am happy to have most answers figured out and understand they cannot answer them all. I almost stopped watching this series mid-way and glad I stuck with it.

    Thank you for this blog, it has answered alot of questions for me.

    Today, I am so tired. I feel like the day after the Super Bowl. :-)

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  319. rowjimmy says:

    Totally off subject kind of.Be glad you don’t live near Cleveland(for alot of reasons;insert jokes here).I’m a country boy with just an antenna WEWS ch5 LOST their broadcast signal during The Final Journey and had no feed the rest of the night had to watch the rest out of Youngstown(insert joke here).Antenna comes thru again!LMAO at pay TV

  320. jalili007 says:

    Dude, Ralph from Kevin and Bean has all of the answers! Tune in now

  321. LIJ says:

    Thank you to all who have left comments over the last 6 years, it has been a great ride. Looking back to that memorable September night some six year ago, it has been my own quest in acquiring peace of mind that I can carry forward. These characters have taught me that cynicism, pessimism, anger, bitterness, hate and a lack of faith all a long road to nowhere. Much like the great John Lennon said, “All you need is love”. Thank you again to the regulars who have enriched this blog over the years, you know who you are. Thanks for the journey Jack, see you in another life brother.

  322. rowjimmy says:

    [quote comment=”375304″][quote comment=”375289″][quote comment=”375271″]What happened on the island actually took place. They weren’t meant to die yet. They all died at different points. They subconsciously made the flash sideways to meet before the afterlife. The numbers were the numbers that were haunting Hurley. the dog was some sort of island guide. Look at the shoes in episode 1. The same shoes are aged and tattered in the final episode. Time had taken place. The island exists for real and is a magical place.[/quote]

    Yes – totally agree with this. The island crash scene at the end was 1. backdrop for credits 2. so we’d all keep blogging about it for weeks 3. absolutely irrelevant. If they showed the dead bodies of Kate, Sawyer, Jack, etc….then it would have meant they died in the original crash. They didn’t – therefore I’m taking Christian literally when he told Jack that there is no “time” after death and everybody dies “sometime.” Some before you…some after you.

    Those in the church were there to reunite with the important people in their lives. Those who weren’t there either had more to do (like Ben) or simply didn’t find the island as important to them in their mortal life to hold onto it in the afterlife.

    And Jimmy Kimmel was very funny – though I’m regretting staying up so late now.[/quote]
    I like this. It would explain why Walt, Echo, and some others weren’t there, but why was Libby there. She only knew those people for a few days.[/quote]
    Libby was there because she had a profound effect on Hurleys life.So are we to gather that Walt is alive and well in the real world now at prep school where John saw him?

  323. sector7 says:

    I loved it. I feel like I understand a lot. The Jack/Locke fight was THE coolest tv fight scene I’ve ever watched.

    The wreckage shown during the credits at the end was pure nostalgia – nothing else. So let’s put that to bed.

    Everything that happened on the island was real and they were alive. Jacob proved it.

    The FSW is occuring after everyone lived out their entire life. Walt is probably still alive during the FSW. Michael is still in limbo on the island in the FSW. Anyone else not in the church was not ready to move on. Aaron is a baby in the FSW because the “world” they created with their minds is set in 2004.

    I’m volunteering to stick around this blog for a while and try to answer any and all questions. I’ll continue to do this job as long as I can. This is . . . this is what I’m supposed to do.

  324. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”375273″]Exellent ending ,worth all the wait . sad, moving and fulfilled my expectations.Thanks to the web site. hammer,pj,toeknee,lost4ever,misskim, thanks for nothing .bye[/quote]
    Bye.

  325. RGS says:

    I think trying to figure out what happened will only drive one crazy. For every coherent plot line that one thinks they can come up with, there will be at least 3 major holes to that line.

    I’ve seen some people post that they think the folks died (even Jack) at the time of the plane crash, if that is the case, how could they possibly have had that profound an effect on each other, where they would need to find each other in the afterlife? If you believe they died at the plane crash, then you must also believe that all those things that happened on the island were part of the afterlife experience, no?

    Why would Eloise think everyone would die, if they were already dead?

    If Sayid could just overcome his “infection” by mind over matter, what exactly is the fear of smokey getting loose? Not to mention that he apparently became mortal.

    I mean really we could go on and on about the inconsistencies, but then it gets to be too nitpicky. There was no way they could live up to the hype of the finale with all of the loose ends that they introduced. If one adopts the approach, well we shouldn’t be concerned with all of the smaller issues (who determines what is a smaller issue) they failed to address even the larger issues.

    They purposefully left those ambiguous, so that everyone could feel they were “right” about whatever idea they had. You get to paint the final picture. By having all this stuff going on, they introduced just enough of a foothold for folks to grab onto and cling to their theories (although I did not think the midget juggling coconut creme pies at the concert was necessary).

    It’s tv, it was entertaining, and it was bound to be disappointing, when there is nothing conclusive to write home about.

    (Some of you are going to back just to check on the midget juggling creme pies….it’s not there I made that up, BUT because of the craziness, it could just as well have been thrown in).

  326. sector7 says:

    [quote comment=”375190″]I dont understand why in the FSW Jack would be married to Juliet and they would have kid. None of that was real….I just dont get THAT part explain someone please[/quote]
    David was part of the “world” they created with their minds. Locke knew this when he told Jack, “You don’t have a son, Jack.”

  327. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”375172″][quote comment=”375156″][quote comment=”375119″]For anyone who truly “got” the ending…I need some help on a couple things:

    1-What did the plane flying over Jack’s head symbolize? Was that flight 815 in the FSW?

    2-I get that the FSW was them all being dead, finding each other, etc. BUT – what was the point of the island? i.e. all 5 other seasons? I really just want to understand it all.[/quote]
    1 – they ALL (the group) got off the island in totality.
    2 – the island is where the groups go….been gping on for a long time….but if you don’t leave it correctly…God help them all…get it?[/quote]

    Hammer, thanks for your response. I’m still not 100% clear what you’re saying about if the groups don’t leave it correctly then God help them all. What do you mean by leaving correctly?[/quote]
    Just my take on it Larla, but what I mean is that if they didn’t come up with replacement for protecting the island AND Jack (or whoever) didn’t put the ‘plug’ back in…then they would have failed and would not have been able to move on. I also think that the island would have sunk and no other ‘lonely’ souls would have a chance to redeem themselves and move on. Hence “God help us all.”

  328. sector7 says:

    [quote comment=”375193″]So yes, they were making it up as they went along. There was no resolution planned as they strung out the mysteries. But of all the TV series that end with an abstract “God did it” sort of ending, I have to say that this is the best I’ve seen. The producers don’t deserve a pat on the back though. They could have easily made a story equally moving with an actual resolution, they just couldn’t be bothered.[/quote]
    You’ve completely missed the mark. Only thing that was completely known from the start was a general outline of the major pieces of the story. You’re taking it to literally to think that they meant every detail was planned out. It’s impossible to avoid unforeseeable circumstances during a 6 year production that cause you to deviate somewhat here or there. Walt is a prime example.

  329. rowjimmy says:

    [quote comment=”375314″][quote comment=”375190″]I dont understand why in the FSW Jack would be married to Juliet and they would have kid. None of that was real….I just dont get THAT part explain someone please[/quote]
    David was part of the “world” they created with their minds. Locke knew this when he told Jack, “You don’t have a son, Jack.”[/quote]
    So David just went “poof” and gone when Locke told Jack that he didn’t have a son?

  330. LostDamery says:

    Final 2 cents:
    1) It appears from last shot that all died on initial crash and the show was 6 seasons of non-purgatory dead trying to work out their deaths/lives?
    2) I was willing to forgive questions if Jacks dad came back to real life at end or if Jack opened the casket to find dead father and all were together “somehow” at funeral reunion. Sorry neither happened.

    All in all it was, what it was, GREAT ENTERTAINMENT! and a high bar is set for the next BIG Thing!

  331. ps says:

    My 2 cents: All these people were very passionate about something in their lives like Jack fixing people; Sayid torturing others; Charlie and his band; Sawyer and his father’s death etc etc. In plane crash they all died but felt that they didn’t complete what they were living for and they continued with their lives on island as something never happened. Island gave them chance to fix something like Sawyer killing his father’s killer; Lock able to walk and roam around etc etc.

    FSW was their usual life story with same problems and issues; Lock still on chair; Sawyer still looking for his father’s killer etc. Desmond being special realized that and started creating scenarios where people started meeting with each other and made each other realize that they have achieved what they were living for and they all should let go!!

  332. wait - it'a really over?! says:

    116 – totally agree with what you wrote. It explains really well ONE season of lost…I needed MORE! Based on the finally, Lost could have been a 2 year serie (season 1 and season 6…) so many questions were left unanswered. Some VERY important themes were never really explained – the Dharma initiative, the others and their purpose, why children couldn’t be conceived on the island, the gifts some had (Miles, Hugo, Walt…), the numbers, What did Juliette see when she told Sawyer: It worked!?, who really ordered The Purge…
    other smaller questions: what widemore wispered, MIB’s name, how did the statue get on the island!

    I needed more answers :(

  333. sector7 says:

    [quote comment=”375294″][quote comment=”375283″]Didn’t mean to send that without adding some more stuff…

    Tbe brilliance of this show is twofold. One, the characters and the actual drama produced was compelling and amazing. I agree with somebody else that said that this finale reminded them of season 1, which was so character driven. It’s no coincidence that season 1 is generally regarded as the best of the show. Tonight what we saw was truly compelling television, and everybody that I know was crying while watching it tonight on many different occasions. That simply doesn’t happen without characters that truly grab you and stick with you.

    And two, the mysteries were a part of what made this show amazing. We talked about them. Debated them. Did this for years. And when they don’t answer every one, many of you complain. Really? So the producers give us a show to discuss and debate unlike anything else ever on TV, and we complain about this? Their goal wasn’t to answer everything. Their goal was to create compelling television, and they did. Lost became a phenomenon largely because of this.

    If you’ve watched the entire series from start to finish, this ending actually makes sense. So what if we don’t know all of the answers and some of it is ambiguous? And as compelling as it was, I just do not understand how so many people here seem miffed about it.

    I’ll say it again. Tonight’s episode was the single greatest thing to ever appear on television or film.[/quote]

    You talking al lot of shit. The show ended and there where a LOT of questions and we got NOT ONE fucking answer and you talking about the greatest thing to ever appear on television? Come on…[/quote]
    @wthcrs, you are in the overwhelming minority my friend. Plenty of answers if you THINK about it. I just pray you can find a “happy place” before “moving on”.

  334. Joshua says:

    [quote comment=”375200″]I’m sorry but I’m very disappointed with the episode. I completely understand the ending and agree with post 116 and the other posts. I think it was a solid end for a show BUT NOT the kind of end that Lost deserves. It was so straightforward and really did not address ANYTHING that came before it. The script was full of holes and sloppy.

    I could on and on about what it didn’t answer but I’ll only mention one because others have already pointed them out– why didn’t Jack need to say the incantation with Hurley became the protector? That little script defect set me off for the rest of the episode.

    I’ve been such a supporter and feel I’ve been short changed.

    Am I the only one who thinks that it was the same ending as when rose died on ” Titanic?”[/quote]

    Jack was the new Jacob when he promoted Hurley. It was Jack’s rules the island went by, so that is why he did not have to say the gibberish over the water Hurley drank to become the new protector. Ben even told Hurley, maybe there is a different way of doing things.

  335. DPAL says:

    Ok so everyone complaining about the ending I don’t get it. Yea there were a lot of questions not answered. But for 6 years we’ve had a great show that so many people fell in love with. And what I liked about the show and I’m sure other people did too is that the in depth look at each character made you feel like you knew these people. And the writers knew that and that’s why it ended the way it did. The ending has closure to the characters and it gives each viewer a lesson in letting go. Yea alot of questions should have been answered but just let go. That what I feel the writers want us to take out of the ending.

  336. sector7 says:

    [quote comment=”375317″][quote comment=”375314″][quote comment=”375190″]I dont understand why in the FSW Jack would be married to Juliet and they would have kid. None of that was real….I just dont get THAT part explain someone please[/quote]
    David was part of the “world” they created with their minds. Locke knew this when he told Jack, “You don’t have a son, Jack.”[/quote]
    So David just went “poof” and gone when Locke told Jack that he didn’t have a son?[/quote]
    No. He went poof when the group left the church and went into the light.

  337. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”375296″][quote comment=”375293″][/quote]
    Is it oversimplifying it to say the people that watched for the character stories loved the finale and the ones that watched for the sci-fi and mysteries did not? [/quote]
    I am a sci-fi mystery guy who loved it.

  338. ICDeadppl says:

    [quote comment=”375311″]Walt is probably still alive during the FSW.[/quote]

    Everyone exists in the FSW. Everyone is there whether he died in 2004, or 2085. There is no “now” in the FSW. It exists outside of time. This is some 4th dimensions stuff, people. If they weren’t in the church it means they are just not ready to move on, but they are still dead roaming around in FSW.

  339. Hurley's Dad says:

    [quote comment=”375318″]Final 2 cents:
    1) It appears from last shot that all died on initial crash and the show was 6 seasons of non-purgatory dead trying to work out their deaths/lives?[/quote]
    I need help with this…why is everyone saying the scene of the wreckage on the island proves they all died?

    If the plane crashed…and they didn’t die…wouldn’t there still be wreckage rusting on the beach? I thought it (along with the rotting white shoe in the bamboo tree) were showing proof that the island time really happened.

  340. jalili007 says:

    [quote comment=”375159″]When you guys say the people that aren’t there havent died yet doesn’t make sense. Hurley would have lived longer than anyone being the “protector” of the island.[/quote]

    No, because Jack almost dies immediately after he accepts his role from Jacob. Thats why Jacob told him, “as long as you can.”

  341. sector7 says:

    [quote comment=”375326″][quote comment=”375311″]Walt is probably still alive during the FSW.[/quote]

    Everyone exists in the FSW. Everyone is there whether he died in 2004, or 2085. There is no “now” in the FSW. It exists outside of time. This is some 4th dimensions stuff, people. If they weren’t in the church it means they are just not ready to move on, but they are still dead roaming around in FSW.[/quote]
    Michael is definitely not there in the FSW. There is no proof at all that Walt is in the FSW. If a character is not seen in the FSW, then it’s possible they are still alive in the real world.

  342. jalili007 says:

    [quote comment=”375190″]I dont understand why in the FSW Jack would be married to Juliet and they would have kid. None of that was real….I just dont get THAT part explain someone please[/quote]

    Jack is working out his daddy issues in FSW, which is limbo or pergatory. Remember in flashback he never got along with his dad and resented him, so before he could move on to heaven he had to be a dad and resolve his issues

  343. ICDeadppl says:

    [quote comment=”375327″][quote comment=”375318″]

    If the plane crashed…and they didn’t die…wouldn’t there still be wreckage rusting on the beach? I thought it (along with the rotting white shoe in the bamboo tree) were showing proof that the island time really happened.[/quote]

    The plane wreckage washed washed away by the tide in Season 1. No wreckage remained.

  344. sector7 says:

    [quote comment=”375331″][quote comment=”375327″][quote comment=”375318″]

    If the plane crashed…and they didn’t die…wouldn’t there still be wreckage rusting on the beach? I thought it (along with the rotting white shoe in the bamboo tree) were showing proof that the island time really happened.[/quote]

    The plane wreckage washed washed away by the tide in Season 1. No wreckage remained.[/quote]
    Hence a few posts that correctly state the wreckage is just a backdrop for the credits that allows us to reflect on the show and feel nostalgic about it. Nothing more. We can move on from that now (I hope).

  345. justguessing says:

    I dont think that every question had to be answered to make for a good finale. For example, did we really need to know MIB’s name?… no but it made for good tv and made people think and research mythology, etc…
    D&C have always said that people should stop trying to “solve the show” and just enjoy it. And of course there are unforseen circumstances that caused them to change things around here and there. Ben was only supposed to be in 3 episodes, but the fans loved him so they changed everything to work Ben in the show. Walt was deemed special, but that was over 6 years ago. You cant use the same “special” boy scenario when he probably has a full grown beard by now.

    Now that the show is over you can go back and see that we were given clues that most people chose to ignore because it didnt fit their scenario on how the show should end. Richard said that they were all dead. Jacob has always said that everyone he brings to the island ends up dead and that it will only end once and everything else is progress. The island has been protected for thousands of years… it would have been corny to end it now. When Des went down into the light there was more than one skeleton which shows us that there were people who tried to do what Desmond did.

    I think the ending did fit the show and that some of the shots taken at the writers/producers are unjustified.

  346. jalili007 says:

    [quote comment=”375177″][quote comment=”375164″]One thing I don’t get is why the Island is on the bottom of the ocean in FSW.[/quote]

    It was a trick to make us think the bomb worked so we wouldn’t guess the real reason for the flash sideways. Not a bad thing though. I liked how it all worked out.[/quote]

    because the bomb worked and it did dislodge the island completely. but we have to remember everytime they turn a donkey wheel, or pull a plug out, they are essentially rebooting the island.

  347. Joshua says:

    “made each other realize that they have achieved what they were living for and they all should let go!!”

    …I think the show (and the writers) were influenced by some profound ideas, like Buddhism (attachment is self punishement) and A Course in Miracles. This place, world, blog, the TV show, each other, is all just what it is, and at the end of our “lives” we will still have questions about that certain one thing that we swear will drive us crazy!!! And those things that drive us crazy are why some can’t/wont let go and accept what is so, and move on (applicable to many things in life, not just the end of life).
    Everything is already perfect, whole and complete, our personal refusal to accept this is what keeps us separated.
    I was more jealous of the characters meeting those they profoundly loved than anything else. It makes sense to me, all those nit picky details (Walt, numbers, etc) all pale in the face of love.
    Thanks for having this blog.
    Love you all.

  348. Joshua says:

    [quote comment=”375329″][quote comment=”375326″][quote comment=”375311″]Walt is probably still alive during the FSW.[/quote]

    Everyone exists in the FSW. Everyone is there whether he died in 2004, or 2085. There is no “now” in the FSW. It exists outside of time. This is some 4th dimensions stuff, people. If they weren’t in the church it means they are just not ready to move on, but they are still dead roaming around in FSW.[/quote]
    Michael is definitely not there in the FSW. There is no proof at all that Walt is in the FSW. If a character is not seen in the FSW, then it’s possible they are still alive in the real world.[/quote]

    hmm..good point. Maybe Walt and Aaron are now the protectors of the island?

  349. Miss lost says:

    I realize everyone has different backgrounds, different religions and different lives. With that being said, I didn’t really think they were going to answer everything.
    The great thing is is really can be what you need it to be.
    For me it was beautiful. The original timeline happened. The plane crashed! Some died on that crash and some (our losties) survived. They landed on a mysterious island. Maybe the island “saved” some of those people for a reason…those reasons were shown to us in the character centric episodes.
    For me, Desmond not pushing the button did have an effect on the crash. But now, many of our losties get to start over as Jack told Kate! They get to make their lives better.
    We cannot not explain all of the island’s lore and phenomenon~ it just is! For those that have faith, we don’t have all the answers…you just have to believe.
    The FSW was not real and that is why Jack did not really have a son. Maybe it was what they all thought they wanted, but once they were awakened they realized they had lived and in the long run, what beautiful lives they were.
    Somehow, these are the people that Jack needed with him at the end and at the time of his death when he closed his eyes, he was at peace with himself and the show came full cirle.
    We are born, we live and we all die!
    Our eyes open….birth (or rebirth on the island) and our eyes close for one last time….death…and for those of us that chose to believe there is something after…we live on!

  350. justguessing says:

    [quote comment=”375337″]I realize everyone has different backgrounds, different religions and different lives. With that being said, I didn’t really think they were going to answer everything.
    The great thing is is really can be what you need it to be.
    For me it was beautiful. The original timeline happened. The plane crashed! Some died on that crash and some (our losties) survived. They landed on a mysterious island. Maybe the island “saved” some of those people for a reason…those reasons were shown to us in the character centric episodes.
    For me, Desmond not pushing the button did have an effect on the crash. But now, many of our losties get to start over as Jack told Kate! They get to make their lives better.
    We cannot not explain all of the island’s lore and phenomenon~ it just is! For those that have faith, we don’t have all the answers…you just have to believe.
    The FSW was not real and that is why Jack did not really have a son. Maybe it was what they all thought they wanted, but once they were awakened they realized they had lived and in the long run, what beautiful lives they were.
    Somehow, these are the people that Jack needed with him at the end and at the time of his death when he closed his eyes, he was at peace with himself and the show came full cirle.
    We are born, we live and we all die!
    Our eyes open….birth (or rebirth on the island) and our eyes close for one last time….death…and for those of us that chose to believe there is something after…we live on![/quote]
    Very well said.

  351. ICDeadppl says:

    [quote comment=”375329″][quote comment=”375326″][quote comment=”375311″]Walt is probably still alive during the FSW.[/quote]

    Everyone exists in the FSW. Everyone is there whether he died in 2004, or 2085. There is no “now” in the FSW. It exists outside of time. This is some 4th dimensions stuff, people. If they weren’t in the church it means they are just not ready to move on, but they are still dead roaming around in FSW.[/quote]
    Michael is definitely not there in the FSW. There is no proof at all that Walt is in the FSW. If a character is not seen in the FSW, then it’s possible they are still alive in the real world.[/quote]

    There also wasn’t any proof to say that Michael and Walt were not in the FSW.

  352. Miss lost says:

    Sorry…didn’t mean to have a double negative about the island. Or some misspelled words…tired from staying up so late and tired from the amazing roller coster ride and the thought that it is over! A bit sad, but satisfied.

  353. That_Just_Happend says:

    To all of those who are upset with the way the show ended, I ask one question…Why? Has LOST ever been a show about answers? It has always been a show about love, redemption, and coming to terms with their own demons.

    I have seen many posts that are still asking some of the same questions. What are the numbers? A coinsidence. They were the numbers given to candidates, that also happend to show up EVERYWHERE. The reason being…Because. Is that a good answer? It’s neither good or bad. It is what it is. Walt left the island and is having a better life for it. Move on! The FSW was limbo, the rest of the story was real. That is a given. The shoe at the end show us that it was real. That is why they made the effort to show it (and the wreckedge is just a backdrop for the credits as many have stated previously). All the time traveling, DHARMA, smoke monster, etc…where essential to get the characters to the place they needed to be. Why do we need an explanation? Can we really time travel? No. So how can we really explain it?

    I think this was the best ending the show could have had. How could we admire D&C if they just gave us a list of explanations. I love the idea of interpretation. It lets us connect with the characters in a more personal way. We all loved the show, otherwise we would not be on this blog. To all you nitpickers, go rewatch all the seasons. While we loved the Sci-fi mystery, it was the writing and the characters that brought it to life. I for one am a fan of how this ended.

  354. LostLove says:

    [quote comment=”375231″]So am I right in believing that the most vocal people are the negative nelly’s? I mean….I see some people on here who “got it” and “loved it”, but a lot of others just nitpicking and complaining.

    One of the other sites I vist has a thumbs up and thumbs down buttom and it’s 328-27 in favor….so what am I missing?

    I thought Darlton did a GREAT job of making this feel like the character driven drama that most of us fell in love with in season 1. And for that, I say “job well done”![/quote]

    Please tell me what THAT site is, cause I am now reading thru the comments here and agree and understand where these people are coming from.
    I have watched LOST from the beginning and knew from the start that the Losties could all be dead and finding there way to some afterlife. But the writers insisted, “No, they’re not dead” But then the last 10 minutes of last night’s show happened. And I am left wondering why they just didnt make this a mini-series, like I thought it was originally. Plane crashes-Weird things happeen to them (doesn’t really matter anyway, since they are all dead and none of it is real)-one by one they meet in the FSW sideways world when they finally realiize they are dead-THE END. WOW, glad they took 6 years to tell that story! The writers had this ending all the long, but the 5 years in between were written just to string us all along.
    They could have ended this a hundred different ways(and most of these ways would have been better), and we would all be talking today about how the “clues” were there all long. Today, I feel like all the little stories, the characters, the little nuances and details they put into the show were all just bs. BS!
    If this is the ending they wanted, fine, they could have done this story really well in a 2 night 6 hour freakin mini-series. I will not be too proud to say I watched this show. I believe it will get lots of awards and they will have earned them for the acting, minnie storylines. But the overall show, the story that they ended up telling us, was that we were watching a BS show with made up crap to fill the time before they finally decided to end it.
    Last week I joked that this may end up with a “Newhart” ending. It turns out, that’s what it was!

  355. Jay says:

    [quote comment=”375338″][quote comment=”375337″]I realize everyone has different backgrounds, different religions and different lives. With that being said, I didn’t really think they were going to answer everything.
    The great thing is is really can be what you need it to be.
    For me it was beautiful. The original timeline happened. The plane crashed! Some died on that crash and some (our losties) survived. They landed on a mysterious island. Maybe the island “saved” some of those people for a reason…those reasons were shown to us in the character centric episodes.
    For me, Desmond not pushing the button did have an effect on the crash. But now, many of our losties get to start over as Jack told Kate! They get to make their lives better.
    We cannot not explain all of the island’s lore and phenomenon~ it just is! For those that have faith, we don’t have all the answers…you just have to believe.
    The FSW was not real and that is why Jack did not really have a son. Maybe it was what they all thought they wanted, but once they were awakened they realized they had lived and in the long run, what beautiful lives they were.
    Somehow, these are the people that Jack needed with him at the end and at the time of his death when he closed his eyes, he was at peace with himself and the show came full cirle.
    We are born, we live and we all die!
    Our eyes open….birth (or rebirth on the island) and our eyes close for one last time….death…and for those of us that chose to believe there is something after…we live on![/quote]
    Very well said.[/quote]
    **
    Agreed!

  356. Hurley's Dad says:

    [quote comment=”375342″][quote comment=”375231″]So am I right in believing that the most vocal people are the negative nelly’s? I mean….I see some people on here who “got it” and “loved it”, but a lot of others just nitpicking and complaining.

    One of the other sites I vist has a thumbs up and thumbs down buttom and it’s 328-27 in favor….so what am I missing?

    I thought Darlton did a GREAT job of making this feel like the character driven drama that most of us fell in love with in season 1. And for that, I say “job well done”![/quote]

    Please tell me what THAT site is, cause I am now reading thru the comments here and agree and understand where these people are coming from.
    I have watched LOST from the beginning and knew from the start that the Losties could all be dead and finding there way to some afterlife. But the writers insisted, “No, they’re not dead” But then the last 10 minutes of last night’s show happened.[/quote]

    http://www.sl-lost.com

    votes are now (10:33 AM Central) 1066-476 “thumbs up”.

    D&C did say they were not dead BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT DEAD ON THE ISLAND.

    Maybe I’m getting too worked up over this….

  357. LostLove says:

    [quote comment=”375232″]If the FSW was “purgatory” or something along those lines, what did the explosion of the bomb at the end of Season 5 actually accomplish? Based on tonight’s explanation, the bomb explosion didn’t necessarily “create” the FSW, correct? But in the real timeline, the bomb explodes, sending Jack, Sawyer et al from 1977 back to where they are supposed to be chronologically, in other words, to 2007, at a time after the swan station was built and after it was blown up by Desmond turning the fail safe key. Does that mean that the bomb explosion in 1977 was indeed the Incident and the Dharma folks survived it and went on to build the Swan station? So Faraday’s theory in “The Variable” that detonating the H-bomb would change the future and OA815 would never crash was wrong. And his original theory that “whatever happened happened” was correct, and there’s only one timeline that exists and no one can change it?[/quote]
    Hey, great questions, but the writers say, who cares? Cause they were all dead and just trying to figure it out all out!! Woo Hoo! Thanks for playing!

  358. Tasha says:

    [quote comment=”375342″][quote comment=”375231″]So am I right in believing that the most vocal people are the negative nelly’s? I mean….I see some people on here who “got it” and “loved it”, but a lot of others just nitpicking and complaining.

    One of the other sites I vist has a thumbs up and thumbs down buttom and it’s 328-27 in favor….so what am I missing?

    I thought Darlton did a GREAT job of making this feel like the character driven drama that most of us fell in love with in season 1. And for that, I say “job well done”![/quote]

    Please tell me what THAT site is, cause I am now reading thru the comments here and agree and understand where these people are coming from.
    I have watched LOST from the beginning and knew from the start that the Losties could all be dead and finding there way to some afterlife. But the writers insisted, “No, they’re not dead” But then the last 10 minutes of last night’s show happened. And I am left wondering why they just didnt make this a mini-series, like I thought it was originally. Plane crashes-Weird things happeen to them (doesn’t really matter anyway, since they are all dead and none of it is real)-one by [/quote]

    They were not all dead the whole time. Everything happened.

  359. sector7 says:

    [quote comment=”375339″][quote comment=”375329″][quote comment=”375326″][quote comment=”375311″]Walt is probably still alive during the FSW.[/quote]

    Everyone exists in the FSW. Everyone is there whether he died in 2004, or 2085. There is no “now” in the FSW. It exists outside of time. This is some 4th dimensions stuff, people. If they weren’t in the church it means they are just not ready to move on, but they are still dead roaming around in FSW.[/quote]
    Michael is definitely not there in the FSW. There is no proof at all that Walt is in the FSW. If a character is not seen in the FSW, then it’s possible they are still alive in the real world.[/quote]

    There also wasn’t any proof to say that Michael and Walt were not in the FSW.[/quote]
    _____________________________________________
    Actually, Michael said, “We’re the ones who can’t move on.” That is proof that Michael is unable to leave the island. Michael is NOT in the FSW.

  360. Jason says:

    [quote comment=”375342″][quote comment=”375231″]So am I right in believing that the most vocal people are the negative nelly’s? I mean….I see some people on here who “got it” and “loved it”, but a lot of others just nitpicking and complaining.

    One of the other sites I vist has a thumbs up and thumbs down buttom and it’s 328-27 in favor….so what am I missing?

    I thought Darlton did a GREAT job of making this feel like the character driven drama that most of us fell in love with in season 1. And for that, I say “job well done”![/quote]

    Please tell me what THAT site is, cause I am now reading thru the comments here and agree and understand where these people are coming from.
    I have watched LOST from the beginning and knew from the start that the Losties could all be dead and finding there way to some afterlife. But the writers insisted, “No, they’re not dead” But then the last 10 minutes of last night’s show happened. And I am left wondering why they just didnt make this a mini-series, like I thought it was originally. Plane crashes-Weird things happeen to them (doesn’t really matter anyway, since they are all dead and none of it is real)-one by one they meet in the FSW sideways world when they finally realiize they are dead-THE END. WOW, glad they took 6 years to tell that story! The writers had this ending all the long, but the 5 years in between were written just to string us all along.
    They could have ended this a hundred different ways(and most of these ways would have been better), and we would all be talking today about how the “clues” were there all long. Today, I feel like all the little stories, the characters, the little nuances and details they put into the show were all just bs. BS!
    If this is the ending they wanted, fine, they could have done this story really well in a 2 night 6 hour freakin mini-series. I will not be too proud to say I watched this show. I believe it will get lots of awards and they will have earned them for the acting, minnie storylines. But the overall show, the story that they ended up telling us, was that we were watching a BS show with made up crap to fill the time before they finally decided to end it.
    Last week I joked that this may end up with a “Newhart” ending. It turns out, that’s what it was![/quote]
    Ummmmm…….the things that happened to them on the island WERE real. The FSW was limbo. So to say that the weird stuff that happened to them on the island didn’t matter because it wasn’t real is not an accurate statement. The ones that got off the island (all but Jack, Hurley, Ben, and Rose/Bernard, all lived their lives until they died however they died. They all met each other again in the FSW and “moved on” together.

  361. justguessing says:

    [quote comment=”375345″][quote comment=”375232″]If the FSW was “purgatory” or something along those lines, what did the explosion of the bomb at the end of Season 5 actually accomplish? Based on tonight’s explanation, the bomb explosion didn’t necessarily “create” the FSW, correct? But in the real timeline, the bomb explodes, sending Jack, Sawyer et al from 1977 back to where they are supposed to be chronologically, in other words, to 2007, at a time after the swan station was built and after it was blown up by Desmond turning the fail safe key. Does that mean that the bomb explosion in 1977 was indeed the Incident and the Dharma folks survived it and went on to build the Swan station? So Faraday’s theory in “The Variable” that detonating the H-bomb would change the future and OA815 would never crash was wrong. And his original theory that “whatever happened happened” was correct, and there’s only one timeline that exists and no one can change it?[/quote]
    Hey, great questions, but the writers say, who cares? Cause they were all dead and just trying to figure it out all out!! Woo Hoo!

    Thanks for playing![/quote]
    I think they answered that question. Desmond told Jack that he can take him to a better place where the plane never crashed… and Jack said “whatever happened, happened. You cant change that.” Daniel, like all of us had a theory… they never said that he was correct.

  362. Hammer says:

    If you think they were dead the whole time, re-watch the conversation between Christian and Jack…listen to what he says…every sentence…

  363. josh says:

    So,in the FSW, when syaid killed keamy and his men, including michial (guy with the eye patch), does this mean they went to hell?

  364. Sawyer's Evil Twin says:

    Well, I was dissapointed with the ending because we asked years ago if this was purgatory and if they were really dead and the producers said no, that’s not what this is. In any event, I always asked the same question: How could a plane that high break apart into 2 and people survive? That scene was shown over and over through the years. The answer we now have is no, they didn’t survive the initial plane crash. But they were lost souls so they couldn’t move on. I’ll miss Lost. Hopefully, there will be a TV movie in a couple years that explains things in a better way.

  365. That_Just_Happend says:

    [quote comment=”375352″]Well, I was dissapointed with the ending because we asked years ago if this was purgatory and if they were really dead and the producers said no, that’s not what this is. In any event, I always asked the same question: How could a plane that high break apart into 2 and people survive? That scene was shown over and over through the years. The answer we now have is no, they didn’t survive the initial plane crash. But they were lost souls so they couldn’t move on. I’ll miss Lost. Hopefully, there will be a TV movie in a couple years that explains things in a better way.[/quote]

    They were not dead the whole time. I am really wondering if some people were watching the same show?!? Everything that happend, happend. The only part that they were “dead”, was this seasons FSW.

  366. cyainanotherlifebrother says:

    [quote comment=”375348″][quote comment=”375342″][quote comment=”375231″]So am I right in believing that the most vocal people are the negative nelly’s? I mean….I see some people on here who “got it” and “loved it”, but a lot of others just nitpicking and complaining.

    One of the other sites I vist has a thumbs up and thumbs down buttom and it’s 328-27 in favor….so what am I missing?

    I thought Darlton did a GREAT job of making this feel like the character driven drama that most of us fell in love with in season 1. And for that, I say “job well done”![/quote]

    Please tell me what THAT site is, cause I am now reading thru the comments here and agree and understand where these people are coming from.
    I have watched LOST from the beginning and knew from the start that the Losties could all be dead and finding there way to some afterlife. But the writers insisted, “No, they’re not dead” But then the last 10 minutes of last night’s show happened. And I am left wondering why they just didnt make this a mini-series, like I thought it was originally. Plane crashes-Weird things happeen to them (doesn’t really matter anyway, since they are all dead and none of it is real)-one by one they meet in the FSW sideways world when they finally realiize they are dead-THE END. WOW, glad they took 6 years to tell that story! The writers had this ending all the long, but the 5 years in between were written just to string us all along.
    They could have ended this a hundred different ways(and most of these ways would have been better), and we would all be talking today about how the “clues” were there all long. Today, I feel like all the little stories, the characters, the little nuances and details they put into the show were all just bs. BS!
    If this is the ending they wanted, fine, they could have done this story really well in a 2 night 6 hour freakin mini-series. I will not be too proud to say I watched this show. I believe it will get lots of awards and they will have earned them for the acting, minnie storylines. But the overall show, the story that they ended up telling us, was that we were watching a BS show with made up crap to fill the time before they finally decided to end it.
    Last week I joked that this may end up with a “Newhart” ending. It turns out, that’s what it was![/quote]
    Ummmmm…….the things that happened to them on the island WERE real. The FSW was limbo. So to say that the weird stuff that happened to them on the island didn’t matter because it wasn’t real is not an accurate statement. The ones that got off the island (all but Jack, Hurley, Ben, and Rose/Bernard, all lived their lives until they died however they died. They all met each other again in the FSW and “moved on” together.[/quote]

    i think jason is correct but this only explains a very small part of the show, we are left without answers to the majority of questions asked and thats just not fair to all the fans that spent the last six years enthralled in the show.

  367. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”375352″]Well, I was dissapointed with the ending because we asked years ago if this was purgatory and if they were really dead and the producers said no, that’s not what this is. In any event, I always asked the same question: How could a plane that high break apart into 2 and people survive? That scene was shown over and over through the years. The answer we now have is no, they didn’t survive the initial plane crash. But they were lost souls so they couldn’t move on. I’ll miss Lost. Hopefully, there will be a TV movie in a couple years that explains things in a better way.[/quote]
    IMO, the show, the island was NOT purgatory and they DID survive the crash.

    If you think they were dead the whole time, re-watch the conversation between Christian and Jack…listen to what he says…every sentence…

  368. jalili007 says:

    [quote comment=”375219″]This show isn’t about Purgotory…it’s about reincarnation![/quote]

    Purgatory and reincarnation. Just like in the church it has a little bit of every religion!

  369. sector7 says:

    [quote comment=”375354″][quote comment=”375348″][quote comment=”375342″][quote comment=”375231″]

    i think jason is correct but this only explains a very small part of the show, we are left without answers to the majority of questions asked and thats just not fair to all the fans that spent the last six years enthralled in the show.[/quote]
    __________________________________
    I watched all 6 seasons (I have seasons 1-5 on DVD). Most episodes I watched 2 or 3 times. I feel most questions got answered. Especially questions central to the characters, just like the writers said they would. I feel my life was enriched by this show. Please don’t assume you can speak for all fans or most fans for that matter.

  370. Pam Smith says:

    Although I was extremely disappointed with the Finale, at least I think I figured it out. I don’t know if any of you watch the “Ghost Whisperer”, but that’s what the Lost” finale reminded me of. In each episode of the “Ghost Whisperer”, there is a “dead person” and Melinda, (I believe is her name) helps the dead with unfinished business so that they can finally cross over.

    I believe “Lost” was along the same line. It focused on what Jack needed to do to cross over and the other cast members supported him in his effort.

    The only difference between the “Ghost Whisperer” and “Lost” is that it takes only one episode in the “Ghost Whisperer” to get the dead to cross over and it took 6 seasons for “Lost” to get Jack to do it.

    Well that’s my 2 cents.

  371. Tasha says:

    [quote comment=”375356″][quote comment=”375219″]This show isn’t about Purgotory…it’s about reincarnation![/quote]

    Purgatory and reincarnation. Just like in the church it has a little bit of every religion![/quote]

    I am starting to wonder if different religions are seeing all this differently. I look at it the FSW was their souls living a different life…a separate plane/realm(as in Buddhism/Hinduism and rebirth)..and in the end when Jack reached his point of enlightenment/nirvana he met back with the people that had the biggest impact on his life during a time his soul had reached it’s purpose/his universal soul. (They were all their for a reason/purpose.)

    Anyway that’s how I saw it all even though i can’t explain it.

  372. Really People? says:

    Please…someone. Tell me why so many of you believe that during the whole show they were dead? THEY WERE NOT DEAD THE WHOLE TIME. I always thought that many of LOST viewers were intelligent people. I guess I was wrong.

    Two things:

    1)The shoe. It was weathered, showing that time really happend.

    2)Like Hammer said, listen to what christian tell jack. THEY WERE NOT DEAD THE WHOLE TIME!!!!

    Please show me one shred of proof that you have found that shows they were dead the whole time and I will submit…

  373. justguessing says:

    [quote comment=”375353″][quote comment=”375352″]Well, I was dissapointed with the ending because we asked years ago if this was purgatory and if they were really dead and the producers said no, that’s not what this is. In any event, I always asked the same question: How could a plane that high break apart into 2 and people survive? That scene was shown over and over through the years. The answer we now have is no, they didn’t survive the initial plane crash. But they were lost souls so they couldn’t move on. I’ll miss Lost. Hopefully, there will be a TV movie in a couple years that explains things in a better way.[/quote]

    They were not dead the whole time. I am really wondering if some people were watching the same show?!? Everything that happend, happend. The only part that they were “dead”, was this seasons FSW.[/quote]
    I agree. I’m not sure what show a lot of people watched last night. A lot of these unanswered questions are for your interpertation and some just arent relevant to the storyline no matter how much you want to know them.

    MIB’s name – did it really matter… nope. Hurley’s lottery numbers – To me it was a metaphor for money cant buy you happiness. I dont need to know what the numbers meant. I dont think they meant anything. Even with all that money he was still unhappy and had a bad relationship w/ his father, just like Jack, Sun, Walt and Locke. If anything the numbers were a clue that Hurley would eventually be the protector. Polar Bear – it was a magical island… get over it. Some people seem to want to know the answers to every little detail. Dharma – what more explanation do you need? Dharma was a symbol of man’s greed and the need to want to explain everything w/ science and then abuse whatever power they obtain. IMO the show is filled w/ metaphors that you either get or dont get. It’s not necessary to spell everything out… there will not be a quiz.

  374. LongTimeLostFanFirstTimePoster says:

    in the end. it doesnt matter.
    that was the point of lost, no matter what happens in life, from freaky polar bear to weird light in the center of an island . We all die.
    the reason that some couldnt die was perhaps they were waiting to meet the right people.
    and when they did was enought for them to be able to wait in the mid-death purgatory area. which EVERYONE is in.
    From the begining of the season 6 we saw neaarly all the pervious casts and ppl close to them. Hurleys mother (not father hmmm.) The asian darma guy in everyone loves hurley.
    And i think wat they ment about creating their world was everyone had their ‘own life’ interpretation like hurly in this purgatory fake world was rich(real world no) , Sawyer is a cop (real world criminal)
    everyone has a different role is some way.

    But IF they never met on the island they would have been “Lost” forever.
    Thats why Jacob brought them to the island because together they can be “Found” and move on in the after life.

    Some of the others i bet that did NOT show up in purgatory (which i thought was smart) is that they have ALREADY moved on to watever higher plane of existance.

    anyways i love the comments here and this blog always has helped me solve lost problems over the years. would like to know more on ur interpretation.
    Cheers

    ~Fudfood

  375. Really People? says:

    [quote comment=”375361″][quote comment=”375353″][quote comment=”375352″]Well, I was dissapointed with the ending because we asked years ago if this was purgatory and if they were really dead and the producers said no, that’s not what this is. In any event, I always asked the same question: How could a plane that high break apart into 2 and people survive? That scene was shown over and over through the years. The answer we now have is no, they didn’t survive the initial plane crash. But they were lost souls so they couldn’t move on. I’ll miss Lost. Hopefully, there will be a TV movie in a couple years that explains things in a better way.[/quote]

    They were not dead the whole time. I am really wondering if some people were watching the same show?!? Everything that happend, happend. The only part that they were “dead”, was this seasons FSW.[/quote]
    I agree. I’m not sure what show a lot of people watched last night. A lot of these unanswered questions are for your interpertation and some just arent relevant to the storyline no matter how much you want to know them.

    MIB’s name – did it really matter… nope. Hurley’s lottery numbers – To me it was a metaphor for money cant buy you happiness. I dont need to know what the numbers meant. I dont think they meant anything. Even with all that money he was still unhappy and had a bad relationship w/ his father, just like Jack, Sun, Walt and Locke. If anything the numbers were a clue that Hurley would eventually be the protector. Polar Bear – it was a magical island… get over it. Some people seem to want to know the answers to every little detail. Dharma – what more explanation do you need? Dharma was a symbol of man’s greed and the need to want to explain everything w/ science and then abuse whatever power they obtain. IMO the show is filled w/ metaphors that you either get or dont get. It’s not necessary to spell everything out… there will not be a quiz.[/quote]
    Thank you JustGuessing. I think we watched the same show!!

  376. mikemarks says:

    [quote comment=”375178″][quote comment=”375165″][quote comment=”375147″]Here’s the best explanation.

    There is no explanation. I beleive comment 116 correctly captures the writers intent. I also believe the writers didn’t have a plot that logically ties together … the whole show is just nonsensical.

    The numbers, the dharma initiative, jacob / adam, jacob’s lair, why only richard could speak to jacob, what the island is, why there were hyrogliphics on the light plug, the polar bear, why children couldn’t be born on the island,the others, why the others wanted walt, why wald was specials and why they were testing his blood, etc, etc, etc.

    Yeah, try and make sense of that. You can’t. They threw a bunch of mud on the wall.

    It’s the Jackson Pollack of TV.[/quote]

    I don’t think the show is nonsensical. Sure, some of the stuff you mention was filler. Walt and aaron didn’t really matter. So what? The mythology just has to be accepted from what “Mother” said. If the light goes out, all life ends. Some in the Dharma initiative and Others were candidates. Jacob and MIB have been going at this for a long time. It is really about the characters anyway and the mysteries of the island are like a character.[/quote]

    Sorry, the show is nonsensical. You want more?

    The Island underground, Widemore’s role, what Widemore whispered to Flocke, what the smoke monster was (widemore said he had heard myths), the hatch, the various dharma stations, the time travel, the space travel (e.g. to egypt), the donkey wheel, jacob’s lighthouse, the nuclear bomb, etc, etc, etc.

    No one even knows what the island is. Jacob didn’t, Jacob’s crazy mom probably didn’t, Jack didn’t, Hugo certainly didn’t. So any rules can be made up. No explanation required.[/quote] don’t think the rules are something made up, example: “You can’t kill them” because they’re already dead you can’t kill what is already dead. Not a rule you choose to abide by, but a rule that simply “is”

  377. cyainanotherlifebrother says:

    [quote comment=”375361″][quote comment=”375353″][quote comment=”375352″]Well, I was dissapointed with the ending because we asked years ago if this was purgatory and if they were really dead and the producers said no, that’s not what this is. In any event, I always asked the same question: How could a plane that high break apart into 2 and people survive? That scene was shown over and over through the years. The answer we now have is no, they didn’t survive the initial plane crash. But they were lost souls so they couldn’t move on. I’ll miss Lost. Hopefully, there will be a TV movie in a couple years that explains things in a better way.[/quote]

    They were not dead the whole time. I am really wondering if some people were watching the same show?!? Everything that happend, happend. The only part that they were “dead”, was this seasons FSW.[/quote]
    I agree. I’m not sure what show a lot of people watched last night. A lot of these unanswered questions are for your interpertation and some just arent relevant to the storyline no matter how much you want to know them.

    MIB’s name – did it really matter… nope. Hurley’s lottery numbers – To me it was a metaphor for money cant buy you happiness. I dont need to know what the numbers meant. I dont think they meant anything. Even with all that money he was still unhappy and had a bad relationship w/ his father, just like Jack, Sun, Walt and Locke. If anything the numbers were a clue that Hurley would eventually be the protector. Polar Bear – it was a magical island… get over it. Some people seem to want to know the answers to every little detail. Dharma – what more explanation do you need? Dharma was a symbol of man’s greed and the need to want to explain everything w/ science and then abuse whatever power they obtain. IMO the show is filled w/ metaphors that you either get or dont get. It’s not necessary to spell everything out… there will not be a quiz.[/quote]

    I disagree if stuff like why was walt special and why women could not have babies on the island were not part of the story line then why include them at all these were major themes in the earlier series that we are just suppose to forget about and just say they were not relevant you may find that ok but i think its unacceptable.

  378. way_lost says:

    [quote comment=”375334″][quote comment=”375177″][quote comment=”375164″]One thing I don’t get is why the Island is on the bottom of the ocean in FSW.[/quote]

    It was a trick to make us think the bomb worked so we wouldn’t guess the real reason for the flash sideways. Not a bad thing though. I liked how it all worked out.[/quote]

    because the bomb worked and it did dislodge the island completely. but we have to remember everytime they turn a donkey wheel, or pull a plug out, they are essentially rebooting the island.[/quote]
    It was def a trick…and a brilliant one at that. I almost felt overwhelmed at the end though. I was like…so that whole FSW storyline was about everybody being dead and meeting up at some future point before moving on?

    The season did explain why Jacob chose those people, but it didn’t explain what the light was. The writers never said that Jacob was good MIB bad did they?? Honestly I kinda felt bad for MIB when he looked up after Kate shot him…just before Jack kicked him off the cliff. I mean…dude got the crap end of the stick. He found out the woman who raised him was crazy and killed his real mother, then his own brother beat him and threw him in a cave turning him into a monster. As soon as he becomes mortal again he gets killed. I wonder who Jacob is hanging out with now that he’s moved on?? Crazy-mom perhaps. What a weird way to end this series.

    Earlier Hammer said he was a sci-fi mystery guy and loved the ending. As a sci-fi mystery guy myself I’m still pissed that they went out of their way to develop Walt and Claire, but left us hanging. Why in season 1 was it such a BIG DEAL that Claire raise Aaron?? Why was it such a BIG DEAL in season 1 to show Walt as a special person?? What test were they performing? If MIB could infect Walt would he be used as some kind of weapon like Dez was for Jack/Jacob??? Why dammit why???

  379. Helene says:

    I cant stand it – the whole 6 seasons were soo good, and then to pull a ripoff of another movie not six sense but the one where a person dies, and still thinks they are living but people come to their aid till they realize htey are dead, the Devil Wears Prada young actress was in it – anne hathaway? it sucks. I was soo disapointed. When did they died? From the airline ( why they meet ther others who were in the church – why were they important?? Why the history on Jacob and his brother? I was so psyced till the end – like a flat rock. I knew it would be supernatural, but i thought they would bring it together. Sooo disappointed – i dont know what was real in the series and what was not – what the crash even real? ( Remember Julie wasnt even in the crash – or ben…) Then going off with loved ones? Did Claire have her baby or did the baby die( well , obviously he died, cause he also was in the church). then Ford and all in the plane? Crappy ending to such good writing. Could of been sooo much better – something to really remember than a ripoff of a movie. I dont think i will watch any more episodes of lost – they all die.. What was ben’s number 2 to hurley’s one? what did hurley do as number one?? Dam, i feel line nothing was resolved. Well, my tues nights are now free. Touche to the actors, they were great – writer – looks like you got cold feet at the end. Really blew it.

  380. Bobola says:

    [quote comment=”375182″]For a minute I thought Ben was going to pull a fast one and blow up the church with everyone in it.[/quote]

    NOW THAT would have been a good ending.
    I also thought;
    they should have panned the camera down to the Church basement and there below were all the bad people from LOST having their own little party…
    just the opposite to the Hallmark card events going on upstairs.
    Keamy and Patchy and Sun’s Dad…Jin’s Mom… could be drunk off their asses and grabbing some strippers ass, Dressing up in the Pastors clothes and doing nasty things with the sacred books & crucifix…etc.

    Mrs. Widmore could have been dancing with a Goat…should have brought in Sam Rami to do that portion. God knows it need something funny, creative, and interesting to counter the love fest in the Politically Correct Church.

    Most pointless scene;
    Bernnie and Rose in their little hideaway.
    Jack being all NOBLE in getting fLocke to promise to leave them alone. Right, let’s trust the word of the evil dead. It was ludicrous.

    Yeah, I’m with the people here who feel shortchanged.
    The show went into the toilet as far as I’m concerned.
    I’ll never watch another Network show ever. I could have written a better ending in less time than the show took to air. About half the 2 hours were Flashbacks.
    Sorry, but all the gooey reunions were simply boring…
    I just got to the point where I didn’t care anymore.

    The show ended without any humor or strangeness…
    and the fight between Jack and fLocke was absurd cliche;not just once, but TWICE fLocke clobbers Jack with a blow from his free hand at the side with a rock and then a knife.
    Like someone mentioned; fLocke has Jack knocked out in the first round and goes off to leave him able to come at him later? That’s one of the most overused Horror show cliches ever…and when I see it in a film I stop watching.
    And Jack takes a HUGE knife to the side and can continue on like he’s just sprained an ankle?
    “I think I’ll go spelunking now and lift a real heavy stone…” ???
    And Jack to Hurley; “you take over now because…well, for no reason other than…well, for no good reason…ok?”.

    I got so sick of the crappy music…it just was grating and manipulative. It was like being trapped in an Elevator with a bad Musak tape loop.
    Too may characters had this dopey grin on their faces…I guess I would too if I was making the kind of dough they must be getting for staying in Hawaii.

    The one thing that took me by surprise is how the scene between Charley and Claire got to me; it was pure corn but somehow worked well for a nanosecond…BUT THEN they diffused the whole thing right away with Claire running off to have her baby backstage. The big relief was there was no singing from Charley.
    Looks like his To Do list was limited to;
    1. How much Eyeliner can I plaster on TODAY?
    2. How shit faced can I get?

    I only felt bad for Vincent; I could just see that Hurley was going to have a hard time chasing down the Pigs for grub…but it was surely going to be a lot easier at some point to say; “here doggy!”

    Miles went to fix the plane with some Duct tape?
    I guess since the plane was “dead” he could ask it how to fix itself?
    Missing were any good plane jokes. One of the passengers should have been scrounging around saying; “hey, Airline food sounds pretty good right about now!”
    Or someone calmly thumbing through the IN FLIGHT magazine looking intensely interested as the plane starts to roar down the coconut grove. Or picking up a copy of a book left behind; The Autobiography of Leslie Nielsen…
    But no, we got a Movie of the week instead;…but we got zip.
    And here we had MILES, the quip Master onboard.
    If ever a scene was ripe for self parody and moment of fun.

    The big reunion was missing some players (as others noted). Missing Ana Lucia and a few others but then they were not paired up with love interests so written off?
    Would have been funny to have Ana L. in the back pew french kissing Michael. Well, that’s just the sort of thing I like…if you’re going to have unexplained events…let’s go all the way.

    LOST In the end; Tepid, Cliche, Sappy Kitsch, and not much imagination…about the level of a High School writer doing a project for her class in Romance Novels.

  381. z says:

    ok, the more last nite’s ep sinks in, the easier I can focus on the previous 6 seasons when I thoroughly enjoyed the show (except for the season that focused on tailies — that was plain boring).

    I also do like that characters’ stories came in full circle last night. But let’s face it, many of us watched the show because of its mind-bending mythology. Otherwise, why would did we spend countless hours on various blogs trying to make sense of the plot line????

    It bothers me that there was not a trace of our obsessions with the DESTINY v. FREE WILL dichotomy yesterday.

    Even if Jack ‘chose’ to become the new Jacob, he forced Hurley to be the next protector of the island. Where does that leave us?

  382. way_lost says:

    I really shouldn’t be bashing the show because I did enjoy it regardless. However, it is a legit bitch to be a little pissed about the season 1 storyline and the way it developed over 6 years. I first season was freakin amazing, suspenseful, unlike anything I’ve seen on tv. Loved the way they kept us going over the next few seasons. Then they went away from Claire and Walt. To me that is HUGE because they made such a big deal about them. And what about Aaron. Was I the only one who thought that when this thing ended it would be involving Aaron?

  383. DharmaGreg says:

    Wow. Can’t believe how pissed off and let down some of you are. Answers? You want answers? I’m so glad this finale wasn’t 2 1/2 hours of stupid answers being spoonfed to us like they have in a few of the other episodes this season. The mystery was what was exiting all of these years and I’m really glad that those mysteries get to live on. I think that the writers did a great job of doing a “they were all really dead” ending without them all really being dead. Remember that Christian said that he was real and that EVERYTHING Jack ever did was real. I take this to mean the island AND the FSW. Just because they were dead doesn’t mean that it wasn’t real for them. Anyhow, all of the people on here that are mad about this probably never got what this show was about in the first place. Go watch Stargate or something. Maybe they have the answers you are looking for. Great Episode, still wrapping my head around it.

  384. Jim says:

    [quote comment=”375329″][quote comment=”375326″][quote comment=”375311″]Walt is probably still alive during the FSW.[/quote]

    Everyone exists in the FSW. Everyone is there whether he died in 2004, or 2085. There is no “now” in the FSW. It exists outside of time. This is some 4th dimensions stuff, people. If they weren’t in the church it means they are just not ready to move on, but they are still dead roaming around in FSW.[/quote]
    Michael is definitely not there in the FSW. There is no proof at all that Walt is in the FSW. If a character is not seen in the FSW, then it’s possible they are still alive in the real world.[/quote]

    Time does not matter in the FSW. Everyone dies at different times, but can be there together. The only people in the church were people that mattered to the person experiencing it at the time. Also, some people don’t need to work through things to move on and probably skip right past the FSW. Oh and Michael is trapped on the island as a whisper and hasn’t moved on yet.

  385. z says:

    [quote comment=”375371″] And what about Aaron. Was I the only one who thought that when this thing ended it would be involving Aaron?[/quote]

    I agree that we were led to believe that Aaron was going to be much more consequential than he really was – just like Walt.

    Although when I step back, I do see that Aaron played a major role in getting Kate to go back to the island. He also disqualified Kate from being in the running towards Jacob’s replacement. Finally, only by brining up Aaron was Kate able to convince Claire to leave the island.

    I agree that the roles Aaron played as outlined above don’t measure up to the hype created around him (remember the oracle in Australia?). Nonetheless he still served some purpose.

    I am mostly pissed about Widmore. He was such a major character. What happened?

  386. Guttahman says:

    I believe this is exactly what D&C wanted, they left the story open to interpretation. Some people feel as though everyone died in the initial plane crash, I think these are the people who feel bamboozled. I for one, feel confused, but at the same time satisfied and saddened. I am with the group who thinks the island was REAL and everything that happened was true…I also think that the final wreckage scene was actually the Ajira plane and was shown to signify how Kate and Sawyer died, but there was no Lapidus, Richard or Miles at the church so you can understand my confusion….Right now I am still comming to terms with the fact that LOST is over and these characters that I have come to love no longer exist, except in my head. Its because of my love for this show and everything it has shown me over the past 6 years that I choose not to dwell on all the inconsistantcies and unanswered questions…we knew going into this season and even this finale that there are still questions that needed answers and we were not getting those answers..thats fine with me, this show was about so much more than answers to mysteries…I feel like they brought the show back to its roots with the finale, they brought it back to the characters that we have invested so much time into and I couldnt ask for anything more, other than more episodes of LOST!!!!

  387. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment=”375367″]
    …. The writers never said that Jacob was good MIB bad did they?? ….
    [/quote]

    Actually, they did say that MiB was bad, in one of their podcasts. Don’t know if they ever said Jacob was good.

  388. mikemarks says:

    [quote comment=”375233″][quote comment=”375231″]So am I right in believing that the most vocal people are the negative nelly’s? I mean….I see some people on here who “got it” and “loved it”, but a lot of others just nitpicking and complaining.

    One of the other sites I vist has a thumbs up and thumbs down buttom and it’s 328-27 in favor….so what am I missing?

    I thought Darlton did a GREAT job of making this feel like the character driven drama that most of us fell in love with in season 1. And for that, I say “job well done”![/quote]
    [quote comment=”375231″]So am I right in believing that the most vocal people are the negative nelly’s? I mean….I see some people on here who “got it” and “loved it”, but a lot of others just nitpicking and complaining.

    One of the other sites I vist has a thumbs up and thumbs down buttom and it’s 328-27 in favor….so what am I missing?

    I thought Darlton did a GREAT job of making this feel like the character driven drama that most of us fell in love with in season 1. And for that, I say “job well done”![/quote]

    I think this could have been a great ending if the show had progressed the way it did during season one. The problem I have is that it doesn’t jive with the last couple seasons. All the time travel and crap like that became totally unnecessary given this ending. It was an interesting ending and an emotional one as well, but the problem people are having is the fact that many parts of the series were meaningless and very “important” questions never got remotely answered.[/quote]personally, I can’t think of a better heaven than one where all of time and space, all the events that ever happened throughout all lifetimes and worlds, may be easily accessed, traveled to, and experienced with loved ones at your side, what a playground!

  389. LongTimeLostFanFirstTimePoster says:

    More of my interpretation guys, just scroll up to post 375 to see the first part. now this part is complete ramblings of my mind but it makes sense if u let it sink in ;)
    —————-
    What was weird is the cuts that Jack had in purgatory, i think the way we should watch seson 6 again is in light of that that purgatory world is fake in some ways and at the same time i think its linked to the real world. Or maybe directly to the island world. The island is the only place on earth (maybe) that will help u forfil ur required destiny to move on in the afterlife. or something like that.
    But they were chosen by jacob not the island…then hurley must have done the same as well thats why he knew straight away everything because he was jacob #3 longer than jack #2 which was harldy much for him to know the islands secrets.
    also ben did not want to move without his daughter…simpleeeee

    Now desmond…desmond when that switch(witmores freak machine) went on he knewwwwwww about death or experienced death (light end of tunnel then back) type thing. Thats why he was affected in the purgatory area as well. It was
    the key to kick start everything while witmores wife wanted the complete oppostie. to keep her son but he moved on eventually.
    The button on a side note was an experiement went wrong. the whole point of them talking about the darma as if they were circus freaks is because they are!!! the only reason they had the haatch and the butoon was a phsycological experiement on some one to see how they would react and work their lives around a button. or so i think. thats all.
    just makes the ‘scientists look bad’ – u know science and relegion dont mix. that type thing.
    I think the island and purgatory are linked some how. just havent figured how but they are.

    —–
    end of ramblings ;)

    ~Fudfood

  390. Newbie says:

    [quote comment=”375345″][quote comment=”375232″]If the FSW was “purgatory” or something along those lines, what did the explosion of the bomb at the end of Season 5 actually accomplish? Based on tonight’s explanation, the bomb explosion didn’t necessarily “create” the FSW, correct? But in the real timeline, the bomb explodes, sending Jack, Sawyer et al from 1977 back to where they are supposed to be chronologically, in other words, to 2007, at a time after the swan station was built and after it was blown up by Desmond turning the fail safe key. Does that mean that the bomb explosion in 1977 was indeed the Incident and the Dharma folks survived it and went on to build the Swan station? So Faraday’s theory in “The Variable” that detonating the H-bomb would change the future and OA815 would never crash was wrong. And his original theory that “whatever happened happened” was correct, and there’s only one timeline that exists and no one can change it?[/quote]
    Hey, great questions, but the writers say, who cares? Cause they were all dead and just trying to figure it out all out!! Woo Hoo!

    Thanks for playing![/quote]

    I think this is a really important point and is crucial to the story line. In retrospect Jack’s plan to detonate the bomb may have not had the intended consequences, but it did “work,” as Juliet said before she died. It worked becuase that is the incident that set off an imbalance with the energy of the island, which is why they had to construct the Swan site and keep pushing that button to contain it. This eventually lead to the plane crash when Desmond failed to push the button. Remeber Miles said to Jack in the season 5 finale, “what if, instead of averting the crash, this is what causes it in the first place?” And because the plane crashed on the island, the losties were able to find the redemption they so badly needed, and build a community they would be with till eternity.

  391. mikemarks says:

    [quote comment=”375237″]If ending was related to some religious stuff then what was the need to do time travel and nuclear bomb explosions etc. Will I trust any scifi series after this or similar to lost? Heck no. I will always have this lost bs at the back of my mind.[/quote]the most similar thing to Lost would be the film “Jacob’s Ladder”. Is that why we had a ‘Jacob’ in Lost?

  392. Sawyer's Evil Twin says:

    So you all think that a plane that breaks apart at several thousand feet up can sustain that many survivors? Really?? I watched every episode. Only once though. I guess you needed to watch the show 2 and 3 times every week to get all the info like some of you master Losties do. I just didn’t have time to do that. Sorry.

  393. Lola says:

    The only way any of us could have been truly satisfied is if it didn’t end at all. BEST TELEVISION SHOW EVER!

  394. justguessing says:

    [quote comment=”375366″][quote comment=”375361″][quote comment=”375353″][quote comment=”375352″]Well, I was dissapointed with the ending because we asked years ago if this was purgatory and if they were really dead and the producers said no, that’s not what this is. In any event, I always asked the same question: How could a plane that high break apart into 2 and people survive? That scene was shown over and over through the years. The answer we now have is no, they didn’t survive the initial plane crash. But they were lost souls so they couldn’t move on. I’ll miss Lost. Hopefully, there will be a TV movie in a couple years that explains things in a better way.[/quote]

    They were not dead the whole time. I am really wondering if some people were watching the same show?!? Everything that happend, happend. The only part that they were “dead”, was this seasons FSW.[/quote]
    I agree. I’m not sure what show a lot of people watched last night. A lot of these unanswered questions are for your interpertation and some just arent relevant to the storyline no matter how much you want to know them.

    MIB’s name – did it really matter… nope. Hurley’s lottery numbers – To me it was a metaphor for money cant buy you happiness. I dont need to know what the numbers meant. I dont think they meant anything. Even with all that money he was still unhappy and had a bad relationship w/ his father, just like Jack, Sun, Walt and Locke. If anything the numbers were a clue that Hurley would eventually be the protector. Polar Bear – it was a magical island… get over it. Some people seem to want to know the answers to every little detail. Dharma – what more explanation do you need? Dharma was a symbol of man’s greed and the need to want to explain everything w/ science and then abuse whatever power they obtain. IMO the show is filled w/ metaphors that you either get or dont get. It’s not necessary to spell everything out… there will not be a quiz.[/quote]

    I disagree if stuff like why was walt special and why women could not have babies on the island were not part of the story line then why include them at all these were major themes in the earlier series that we are just suppose to forget about and just say they were not relevant you may find that ok but i think its unacceptable.[/quote]
    Not able to have babies on the island – no one comes to the island unless Jacob brings them. Im guessing that this includes being born on the island as well.

    Walt being special – Do you know why Hurley can see dead people? or why Miles can hear dead people? or why Jack is special or Locke was special… NO. They just wanted you to know and to use your imagination. IMO Walt was never supposed to be there. He was special because he was a child and he was innocent and had not had a chance to screw up his life. As you can see they did not need him to return on the second flight. Jacob said he made a lot of mistakes. Maybe he couldnt get Michael w/o Walt. Just my opinion and people are of course allowed to have there own. If it is unacceptable to you then that is your opinion, but to me it’s just a tv show that I’ved enjoyed and I dont feel the need to write a report afterwards.

  395. mikemarks says:

    [quote comment=”375240″]So if they were all dead since they crashed on the island and were have a mass halucination, what’s with the real world stuff. Didn’t they have a big deal online about Dharma. Did they ever explain any of that? What about the book by a “real” author that Sawyer was reading? If they were all dead does that mean we’re all dead too and imagining everything? What a bad way to end things.[/quote]was the name “Tom Sawyer chosen” because in the Mark Twain story he (or was it Huck Finn?)attended his own funeral? Yeah, I think they had this ending planned from day one…

  396. way_lost says:

    [quote comment=”375374″][quote comment=”375371″] And what about Aaron. Was I the only one who thought that when this thing ended it would be involving Aaron?[/quote]

    I agree that we were led to believe that Aaron was going to be much more consequential than he really was – just like Walt.

    Although when I step back, I do see that Aaron played a major role in getting Kate to go back to the island. He also disqualified Kate from being in the running towards Jacob’s replacement. Finally, only by brining up Aaron was Kate able to convince Claire to leave the island.

    I agree that the roles Aaron played as outlined above don’t measure up to the hype created around him (remember the oracle in Australia?). Nonetheless he still served some purpose.

    I am mostly pissed about Widmore. He was such a major character. What happened?[/quote]
    I agree with you about Widmore as well. A lot of character development for him and the Dharma initiative. Similar to Claire, Walt, and Aaron’s character development. Again, I loved the show, but now mostly because it was really abstract. I mean if you were to re-watch the first season and the last season right now, you would think you were watching two different shows. Way to much storyline going in one direction and ending in another.

  397. Miss lost says:

    [quote comment=”375366″][quote comment=”375361″][quote comment=”375353″][quote comment=”375352″]Well, I was dissapointed with the ending because we asked years ago if this was purgatory and if they were really dead and the producers said no, that’s not what this is. In any event, I always asked the same question: How could a plane that high break apart into 2 and people survive? That scene was shown over and over through the years. The answer we now have is no, they didn’t survive the initial plane crash. But they were lost souls so they couldn’t move on. I’ll miss Lost. Hopefully, there will be a TV movie in a couple years that explains things in a better way.[/quote]

    They were not dead the whole time. I am really wondering if some people were watching the same show?!? Everything that happend, happend. The only part that they were “dead”, was this seasons FSW.[/quote]
    I agree. I’m not sure what show a lot of people watched last night. A lot of these unanswered questions are for your interpertation and some just arent relevant to the storyline no matter how much you want to know them.

    MIB’s name – did it really matter… nope. Hurley’s lottery numbers – To me it was a metaphor for money cant buy you happiness. I dont need to know what the numbers meant. I dont think they meant anything. Even with all that money he was still unhappy and had a bad relationship w/ his father, just like Jack, Sun, Walt and Locke. If anything the numbers were a clue that Hurley would eventually be the protector. Polar Bear – it was a magical island… get over it. Some people seem to want to know the answers to every little detail. Dharma – what more explanation do you need? Dharma was a symbol of man’s greed and the need to want to explain everything w/ science and then abuse whatever power they obtain. IMO the show is filled w/ metaphors that you either get or dont get. It’s not necessary to spell everything out… there will not be a quiz.[/quote]

    I disagree if stuff like why was walt special and why women could not have babies on the island were not part of the story line then why include them at all these were major themes in the earlier series that we are just suppose to forget about and just say they were not relevant you may find that ok but i think its unacceptable.[/quote]
    **********************
    Don’t you think that this show has components that mirror life? I do. The island is no more mysterious than real life. Why do some women have problems getting pregnant? Why do some people get cancer? Why are their child prodigies? Look at some of the brilliant philosophers, musicians, scientists our world has seen.
    Life has great mysteries that we do not have all the answers for….
    Are we the only planet with life?
    How did the dinosaurs die?
    Is there a God? I cannot answer those questions for you just as you cannot answer them for me. Some things we have to figure out for ourselves as we all have our own beliefs!
    Finally, I can’t count how many de ja vu moments I have, have intertwined my life is with so many people and how I often I hear myself say, “wow, what a small world.”
    For me, I don’t need all the answers for the show to be over or for the show to make sense.
    The show was about life (and even though we will not all crash on a mysterious island chalk full of crazy time travel, smoke monsters and polar bears, we will all have those moments in life that make us question our very essence and hopefully we too can have peace at the end of ours.

  398. mikemarks says:

    [quote comment=”375245″]I think this was the right ending for the show. It was always about the community of characters and how they influence each other and impact each other’s lives and symbolic of how we all do the same.

    However, I disagree that the island was “real life” and the flash sideways was after they all died. I think they were both vehicles after death for all of the characters to grow. I believe the island was the vehicle for the characters, together, to come to terms with who they are as people themselves/individually and the flash sideways was the way for them to accept their role as a community. I do agree, tho, that it would have been much more palatable to have Miles and Lapidus and Richard in the church! I think that the timelines are actually one – when the characters died in the island timeline they started the sideways timeline but since in the afterlife time does not matter they all began sideways time together even tho they died at separate times in island time.

    overall i think instead of focusing on the details (what is the numbers exactly, etc) the overall ideas and symbolic nature to the show are what makes it so touching. What is the meaning of life and death? Community? What role does religion and spirituality and their balance have in life? it’s like focusing on the letter of the law instead of the spirit…like counting all the rules of the bible and living detailed by them instead of living to its spirit…[/quote]
    terms like “alive” and “dead” are meaningless, they simply ‘exist’ in one world or the other, a world of illusion or a world of nonillusion, and as A Course in Miracles suggests, the only thing real is “love” and it is Love they arrived to at the end.

  399. LostLove says:

    [quote comment=”375360″]Please…someone. Tell me why so many of you believe that during the whole show they were dead? THEY WERE NOT DEAD THE WHOLE TIME. I always thought that many of LOST viewers were intelligent people. I guess I was wrong.

    Two things:

    1)The shoe. It was weathered, showing that time really happend.

    2)Like Hammer said, listen to what christian tell jack. THEY WERE NOT DEAD THE WHOLE TIME!!!!

    Please show me one shred of proof that you have found that shows they were dead the whole time and I will submit…[/quote]

    Seriously?? NOW you begin to wonder if people at this site are intelligent? Most of these people spent the better part of 6 years discussing a TV show. Yes, a TV show!
    Again, I loved this show. Started reading this blog earlier this season. Loved the first 140 minutes of last night’s show. I certainly don’t care that there were minor questions unanswered, they were simply not important enough to the whole story. I get that. I get the ending they gave us last night. I just don’t like it. Perfect? Not even close, but, then again, nothing is. Because you feel it fits with the rest of the story (ie previous 6 years)? My contention is that there were so many idiosyncrasies throughout the whole 6 seasons that any number of endings could have taken place that would have ‘synced’ everything up. I mean think about it. As the show was progressing last night, be honest, did you really think this was THE only way they could end this?? I know I didn’t. I was thinking any number of ways would work just fine. I guess If you want to slam my intelligence, go ahead. But Christian out of the box, of course, led to 1 conclusion, the one that was told.

  400. curiousone says:

    They weren’t waiting for Jack to die. They were waiting for him to “be ready”–maybe to accept that he was dead?

  401. way_lost says:

    [quote comment=”375383″][quote comment=”375366″][quote comment=”375361″][quote comment=”375353″][quote comment=”375352″]Well, I was dissapointed with the ending because we asked years ago if this was purgatory and if they were really dead and the producers said no, that’s not what this is. In any event, I always asked the same question: How could a plane that high break apart into 2 and people survive? That scene was shown over and over through the years. The answer we now have is no, they didn’t survive the initial plane crash. But they were lost souls so they couldn’t move on. I’ll miss Lost. Hopefully, there will be a TV movie in a couple years that explains things in a better way.[/quote]

    They were not dead the whole time. I am really wondering if some people were watching the same show?!? Everything that happend, happend. The only part that they were “dead”, was this seasons FSW.[/quote]
    I agree. I’m not sure what show a lot of people watched last night. A lot of these unanswered questions are for your interpertation and some just arent relevant to the storyline no matter how much you want to know them.

    MIB’s name – did it really matter… nope. Hurley’s lottery numbers – To me it was a metaphor for money cant buy you happiness. I dont need to know what the numbers meant. I dont think they meant anything. Even with all that money he was still unhappy and had a bad relationship w/ his father, just like Jack, Sun, Walt and Locke. If anything the numbers were a clue that Hurley would eventually be the protector. Polar Bear – it was a magical island… get over it. Some people seem to want to know the answers to every little detail. Dharma – what more explanation do you need? Dharma was a symbol of man’s greed and the need to want to explain everything w/ science and then abuse whatever power they obtain. IMO the show is filled w/ metaphors that you either get or dont get. It’s not necessary to spell everything out… there will not be a quiz.[/quote]

    I disagree if stuff like why was walt special and why women could not have babies on the island were not part of the story line then why include them at all these were major themes in the earlier series that we are just suppose to forget about and just say they were not relevant you may find that ok but i think its unacceptable.[/quote]
    Not able to have babies on the island – no one comes to the island unless Jacob brings them. Im guessing that this includes being born on the island as well.

    Walt being special – Do you know why Hurley can see dead people? or why Miles can hear dead people? or why Jack is special or Locke was special… NO. They just wanted you to know and to use your imagination. IMO Walt was never supposed to be there. He was special because he was a child and he was innocent and had not had a chance to screw up his life. As you can see they did not need him to return on the second flight. Jacob said he made a lot of mistakes. Maybe he couldnt get Michael w/o Walt. Just my opinion and people are of course allowed to have there own. If it is unacceptable to you then that is your opinion, but to me it’s just a tv show that I’ved enjoyed and I dont feel the need to write a report afterwards.[/quote]
    That’s not rue. Walt wasn’t special because he was young and innocent. They specifically showed us a lot of clues so we wouldn’t have to use our imaginations, but then dropped it completely. Remember when Walt was laying on the floor at his house in Australia. He got upset that no one would answer him. He starting speaking louder and then a bird smashed it’s head into the window…the same exact bird he was reading about. He was reading a comic that had polar-bears…a fregin Polar Bear was on the Island. And lastly, expalin this smart people who know it all, why could Walt project himself onto the Island after he left. He could access the Island and project himself to communicate with people…astral projection without being dead. You heard the whispers before he showed himself to Shannon and Sayid in the rain. We were told the whisperers were dead people in Limbo. Walt was alive. They proved to us in the beginning that Walt was special, but then they left us hanging…AND that my friend is why people are pissed off/ disappointed.

  402. curiousone says:

    Oh and Michael is trapped on the island as a whisper and hasn’t moved on yet.[/quote]

    And it seems that those who are trapped there are forever trapped there (?) perhaps there is no redemption for them–or can the rules change? “Those were Jacob’s rules,” Hurley was told–maybe he can establish new rules.

  403. wow says:

    NOBODY SEEMS TO REMEMBER THAT RICHARD SAID “WE’RE ALL DEAD” & REMEMBER MICHAEL SAID” WE’RE THE ONES WHO CANT MOVE ON”

    I STILL BELIEVE THAT THEY ALL DIED ON THAT FIRST PLANE CRASH & THE ISLAND WAS PURGATORY.

  404. sector7 says:

    [quote comment=”375381″]So you all think that a plane that breaks apart at several thousand feet up can sustain that many survivors? Really?? I watched every episode. Only once though. I guess you needed to watch the show 2 and 3 times every week to get all the info like some of you master Losties do. I just didn’t have time to do that. Sorry.[/quote]
    You are a piece of work, aren’t you? Why are you wasting your time on this blog? Let me spell this out for you, this show is FICTION. In a work of fiction this stuff CAN happen. What grade are you in?

  405. Zooky World says:

    I was very satisfied with last night’s series finale. I thought it fit with the style of this last season. Some wrapping up, some questions answered. The finale brought many pieces together as couples were connected and we learned the big picture of the whole series. I took it that the characters died in the plane crash and went to purgatory (or limbo) as the island and worked out redemption for themselves before moving on to heaven. (You can see more of my thoughts on my blog: zookyworld.wordpress.com). Thanks to the writers of Lost! You guys did an awesome job!

  406. mikemarks says:

    [quote comment=”375271″]What happened on the island actually took place. They weren’t meant to die yet. They all died at different points. They subconsciously made the flash sideways to meet before the afterlife. The numbers were the numbers that were haunting Hurley. the dog was some sort of island guide. Look at the shoes in episode 1. The same shoes are aged and tattered in the final episode. Time had taken place. The island exists for real and is a magical place.[/quote]sneakers? Walkabout?

  407. GLAD ITS OVER says:

    NOW I CAN WAIT & WATCH A REAL SHOW LIKE SPARTACUS:BLOOD & SAND……….their season 1 finale was better than Lost season finale.

    Prison Break season finale was better than Lost seaon finale.

    LOL @ PEOPLE SAYING THEY WERE NOT ALL DEAD BECAUSE OF WHAT JACK’S FATHER SAID. BULLSHIT IF YOU WATCHED SEASONS 1,2 & 3.

  408. HollyP says:

    It seems there were several baby scenarios.

    Dharma women could have babies, because the Dharma people were not called by Jacob, they came on their own.

    It is shown that “Other” women could not have babies after Jughead. I assumed that was because of something related to the nuclear bomb or electromagnetism being released.

    The only women I recall seeing pg on the Island pre-Jughead were Eloise Hawking, who left the Island after killing Daniel, and Jacob & MIB’s mother. So far as we know, women had no problem bringing a pg to term on the island before 1977.

    Yes, Dharma women typically left the island to give birth, but shortly before imminent arrival. The Other women who miscarried appeared to be in the 2nd trimester.

  409. Miss lost says:

    [quote comment=”375392″]NOBODY SEEMS TO REMEMBER THAT RICHARD SAID “WE’RE ALL DEAD” & REMEMBER MICHAEL SAID” WE’RE THE ONES WHO CANT MOVE ON”

    I STILL BELIEVE THAT THEY ALL DIED ON THAT FIRST PLANE CRASH & THE ISLAND WAS PURGATORY.[/quote]
    ****************
    I guess this is what makes it so great. That you can shout it out in all caps to all of us that they died!
    AND I CAN DO THE SAME THING. IT IS JUST THAT I DISAGREE WITH YOU. WHAT HAPPENED HAPPENED! THEY ALL LIVED AND THEY ALL DIED AT VARIOUS TIMES AND AT VARIOUS AGES.
    We are all in two camps just like so many of our losties have been for 6 years. You live at the beach or in a cave. You go with Locke or stay with Jack.
    The show left it up to your imagination, and your own interpretation:)

  410. way_lost says:

    [quote comment=”375394″]I was very satisfied with last night’s series finale. I thought it fit with the style of this last season. Some wrapping up, some questions answered. The finale brought many pieces together as couples were connected and we learned the big picture of the whole series. I took it that the characters died in the plane crash and went to purgatory (or limbo) as the island and worked out redemption for themselves before moving on to heaven. (You can see more of my thoughts on my blog: zookyworld.wordpress.com). Thanks to the writers of Lost! You guys did an awesome job![/quote]
    So if they all died in the crash then what happened to them when they died after the crash? Was this because the reached a point were they could move on? What about Michael? He couldn’t die/ kill himself. Then Christian told him he could “go now” and he died. He later showed up as ghost and helped Hurley> he told Hurley he was in limbo. So…your saying Michael died twice or that he’s in a different level of purgatory??? I don’t think so Zook. Great site though.

  411. leeatmg says:

    Those who keep commenting about Richard’s comment “we’re all dead” comment should go back and watch the episode that centered around Richard this season. He thought that was the case, but by the end of that episode realized that it wasn’t the case.

  412. beatlened says:

    I hated the end. It was as if Pamela Ewing had opened her shower door and the entire cast of Lost was waiting inside.

  413. mikemarks says:

    [quote comment=”375277″]Is it really that obvious that the FSW was the afterlife? May be that’s the easiest term to attribute to it, but that’s not what I thought when Christian was telling Jack about it.

    I interpreted it to be another reality that really was set off when they exploded the bomb in 1977. I say this because when Juliet dies in Sawyer’s arms her subconsciousness travels to FSW where she sees a glimpse of her conversation with Sawyer at the vending machine. If FSW was in fact death, that means she saw both her and Sawyer in the afterlife, and in fact traveled there before she finally died when she told Sawyer that “it worked”. What worked? Them dying? I don’t think so. Likewise, Desmond told Jack when they were in the light cave that he could take them to a better place. I don’t think it makes much sense for him to say that he wants to take Jack to the afterlife.

    When Christian said that we all die at some point I believe that he was trying to say that death is not what’s important. What’s important is redemption. We will all die sooner or later, but what’s important is the peace we find along the way, and the people who have helped us get there. Their journey on the island helped them find peace through the adversity and trial, and the mysteries surrounding the island enhanced their faith. Jack indeed died on the island, but he lives in peace in his other life.[/quote]quoting Julia, what “worked” is the Universe’s plan/technique for delivering us to our lovedoneseternal/heaven at the conclusion of our trials/growthintolove (all citizens of heaven, if it be a heaven, must know (have learned) how to love correctly/perfectly

  414. Sawyer's Evil Twin says:

    [quote comment=”375393″][quote comment=”375381″]So you all think that a plane that breaks apart at several thousand feet up can sustain that many survivors? Really?? I watched every episode. Only once though. I guess you needed to watch the show 2 and 3 times every week to get all the info like some of you master Losties do. I just didn’t have time to do that. Sorry.[/quote]
    You are a piece of work, aren’t you? Why are you wasting your time on this blog? Let me spell this out for you, this show is FICTION. In a work of fiction this stuff CAN happen. What grade are you in?[/quote]

    4th. Do you know how hard it is to stay up so late and not get busted by mom? Why are you so nasty? Stranger alert! Stranger alert!!

  415. HollyP says:

    [quote comment=”375336″][quote comment=”375329″][quote comment=”375326″][quote comment=”375311″]Walt is probably still alive during the FSW.[/quote]

    Everyone exists in the FSW. Everyone is there whether he died in 2004, or 2085. There is no “now” in the FSW. It exists outside of time. This is some 4th dimensions stuff, people. If they weren’t in the church it means they are just not ready to move on, but they are still dead roaming around in FSW.[/quote]
    Michael is definitely not there in the FSW. There is no proof at all that Walt is in the FSW. If a character is not seen in the FSW, then it’s possible they are still alive in the real world.[/quote]

    hmm..good point. Maybe Walt and Aaron are now the protectors of the island?[/quote]

    I wonder if we were seeing only Jack’s FSW, and Walt wasn’t as important a character in Jack’s life. Aaron, assuming he’d grown to adulthood, would choose to surround himself with an entirely different group of people – Claire, his grandmother, maybe Kate, his S.O., his friends… Who says we have to be in only one group? Maybe when Ben is ready, Hurley, Locke & Jack will travel with him.

  416. Jason says:

    [quote comment=”375392″]NOBODY SEEMS TO REMEMBER THAT RICHARD SAID “WE’RE ALL DEAD” & REMEMBER MICHAEL SAID” WE’RE THE ONES WHO CANT MOVE ON”

    I STILL BELIEVE THAT THEY ALL DIED ON THAT FIRST PLANE CRASH & THE ISLAND WAS PURGATORY.[/quote]
    ___________________________________
    How can you believe that? Did you turn it off when Christian was talking to Jack?

  417. funwhileitlasted says:

    Why did the grass never grow? Why was the light not bright white? They fired guns a ton where were they getting the bullets? A lot of questions being asked that even if you knew the answers would not affect the ending of the show. Some of you guys seem so unhappy that maybe the protector will choose you as a candidate.

  418. sector7 says:

    [quote comment=”375398″][quote comment=”375392″]NOBODY SEEMS TO REMEMBER THAT RICHARD SAID “WE’RE ALL DEAD” & REMEMBER MICHAEL SAID” WE’RE THE ONES WHO CANT MOVE ON”

    I STILL BELIEVE THAT THEY ALL DIED ON THAT FIRST PLANE CRASH & THE ISLAND WAS PURGATORY.[/quote]
    ****************
    I guess this is what makes it so great. That you can shout it out in all caps to all of us that they died!
    AND I CAN DO THE SAME THING. IT IS JUST THAT I DISAGREE WITH YOU. WHAT HAPPENED HAPPENED! THEY ALL LIVED AND THEY ALL DIED AT VARIOUS TIMES AND AT VARIOUS AGES.
    We are all in two camps just like so many of our losties have been for 6 years. You live at the beach or in a cave. You go with Locke or stay with Jack.
    The show left it up to your imagination, and your own interpretation:)[/quote]
    I DONT KNOW WHY WE’RE YELLING. I love lamp.

  419. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment=”375392″]NOBODY SEEMS TO REMEMBER THAT RICHARD SAID “WE’RE ALL DEAD” & REMEMBER MICHAEL SAID” WE’RE THE ONES WHO CANT MOVE ON”

    I STILL BELIEVE THAT THEY ALL DIED ON THAT FIRST PLANE CRASH & THE ISLAND WAS PURGATORY.[/quote]
    Last night Richard said something like “I just realized I don’t want to die”, implying he’s alive.

  420. questions unanswered says:

    ok so everybody agrees that everything that happened on the Island was REAL right????????

    So that means THE ISLAND STILL EXISTS????

  421. Jason says:

    [quote comment=”375409″]ok so everybody agrees that everything that happened on the Island was REAL right????????

    So that means THE ISLAND STILL EXISTS????[/quote]
    Yes, the island still exists….i wonder who hurley picked as his successor…..maybe it was his geek friend that worked with him in the chicken restaurant.

  422. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”375409″]ok so everybody agrees that everything that happened on the Island was REAL right????????

    So that means THE ISLAND STILL EXISTS????[/quote]
    YES!!!

  423. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”375392″]NOBODY SEEMS TO REMEMBER THAT RICHARD SAID “WE’RE ALL DEAD” & REMEMBER MICHAEL SAID” WE’RE THE ONES WHO CANT MOVE ON”

    I STILL BELIEVE THAT THEY ALL DIED ON THAT FIRST PLANE CRASH & THE ISLAND WAS PURGATORY.[/quote]
    He was jaded…..and wrong.

  424. BKV fan says:

    No brian k vaughn writing and producing for the last season = fail. Read his stuff, im sure he could have come up with a better ending then “they were all dead, cauzse we all die” scenario. I give the finale a c-

    WHATS WITH THE NUMBERS?!?!?!?!?!? you coulda at least answered that( were they the plane flight seat #’s???)

  425. Newbie says:

    [quote comment=”375402″][quote comment=”375277″]Is it really that obvious that the FSW was the afterlife? May be that’s the easiest term to attribute to it, but that’s not what I thought when Christian was telling Jack about it.

    I interpreted it to be another reality that really was set off when they exploded the bomb in 1977. I say this because when Juliet dies in Sawyer’s arms her subconsciousness travels to FSW where she sees a glimpse of her conversation with Sawyer at the vending machine. If FSW was in fact death, that means she saw both her and Sawyer in the afterlife, and in fact traveled there before she finally died when she told Sawyer that “it worked”. What worked? Them dying? I don’t think so. Likewise, Desmond told Jack when they were in the light cave that he could take them to a better place. I don’t think it makes much sense for him to say that he wants to take Jack to the afterlife.

    When Christian said that we all die at some point I believe that he was trying to say that death is not what’s important. What’s important is redemption. We will all die sooner or later, but what’s important is the peace we find along the way, and the people who have helped us get there. Their journey on the island helped them find peace through the adversity and trial, and the mysteries surrounding the island enhanced their faith. Jack indeed died on the island, but he lives in peace in his other life.[/quote]quoting Julia, what “worked” is the Universe’s plan/technique for delivering us to our lovedoneseternal/heaven at the conclusion of our trials/growthintolove (all citizens of heaven, if it be a heaven, must know (have learned) how to love correctly/perfectly[/quote]
    Thanks. I think I get it now! I talked about my revised interpretation of ‘what worked’ in comment 391. It all makes sense now, and in a very beautiful way.

  426. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”375389″]They weren’t waiting for Jack to die. They were waiting for him to “be ready”–maybe to accept that he was dead?[/quote]
    Yes, but they all became ‘ready’ within FSW days of each other. Some of them were still alive when Jack died (Hugo, Ben, all the folks on the plane flying over Jack), there is no ‘time’ in the FSW so we don’t know ‘when’ he became ready.

  427. Tasha says:

    [quote comment=”375415″][quote comment=”375389″]They weren’t waiting for Jack to die. They were waiting for him to “be ready”–maybe to accept that he was dead?[/quote]
    Yes, but they all became ‘ready’ within FSW days of each other. Some of them were still alive when Jack died (Hugo, Ben, all the folks on the plane flying over Jack), there is no ‘time’ in the FSW so we don’t know ‘when’ he became ready.[/quote]

    So did Jack’s son never exist? I mean, isn’t he going to be wondering where his mom and dad went? Poor kid:(

  428. CS says:

    I don’t think its accurate to say certain characters aren’t there because they’re not dead yet. Everyone who could have possibly been in that church, WAS there. Time doesn’t exist in that world, you don’t wait around for people. Everyone was on the same time line in the FSW even though some died LONG before others (think Boone and Hurley). So I think it’s safe to say that if Walt could have been there, even if he died much later than any of the castaways, he would have been there just the same. Its just a question of how profound an effect that character had on the others’ lives. Walt and the other missing castaways probably had their own unique reunions, with other characters we’ve never met who affected their lives the most.

    It even makes sense that Aaron wasn’t there, I mean Claire was his mother yes, but if you think about it, Jack was the only one who was reunited with a parent.

  429. Gia says:

    Share your thoughts of the finale on http://www.nychdr.com/lost/#more-769

  430. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”375414″][quote comment=”375402″][quote comment=”375277″][/quote]quoting Julia, what “worked” is the Universe’s plan/technique for delivering us to our lovedoneseternal/heaven at the conclusion of our trials/growthintolove (all citizens of heaven, if it be a heaven, must know (have learned) how to love correctly/perfectly[/quote]
    Thanks. I think I get it now! I talked about my revised interpretation of ‘what worked’ in comment 391. It all makes sense now, and in a very beautiful way.[/quote]
    Or…”It worked.” Same line Juliette said to cop Sawyer when she got the Apollo bar out.

    Maybe it was akin to the coffee comments?

    LOL

  431. Skate says:

    [quote comment=”375283″]Didn’t mean to send that without adding some more stuff…

    Tbe brilliance of this show is twofold. One, the characters and the actual drama produced was compelling and amazing. I agree with somebody else that said that this finale reminded them of season 1, which was so character driven. It’s no coincidence that season 1 is generally regarded as the best of the show. Tonight what we saw was truly compelling television, and everybody that I know was crying while watching it tonight on many different occasions. That simply doesn’t happen without characters that truly grab you and stick with you.

    And two, the mysteries were a part of what made this show amazing. We talked about them. Debated them. Did this for years. And when they don’t answer every one, many of you complain. Really? So the producers give us a show to discuss and debate unlike anything else ever on TV, and we complain about this? Their goal wasn’t to answer everything. Their goal was to create compelling television, and they did. Lost became a phenomenon largely because of this.

    If you’ve watched the entire series from start to finish, this ending actually makes sense. So what if we don’t know all of the answers and some of it is ambiguous? And as compelling as it was, I just do not understand how so many people here seem miffed about it.

    I’ll say it again. Tonight’s episode was the single greatest thing to ever appear on television or film.[/quote]

    I totally agree. If you think about it, there are many things in life we never find answers for. Things happen, we go on about our life and never know how various things develop or are resolved. Some things baffle us and remain a mystery. Many have some rather spooky or weird experiences we cannot explain. People come and go in our lives without us knowing what they do in their lives. We accept these things in life, but not in LOST?
    I have been saying for years and still believe it….BEST TV SHOW EVER! Thanks to all who contributed to it. You enriched my life.

  432. CS says:

    My main question regarding the FSW is what happened to the people who were killed there? Like Keamy and his goons. Were they in purgatory as well? What happens when you die there? Or are their souls stuck on the island like Michael’s, and the Keamy we saw was just a figment of the construct.

  433. LizS says:

    [quote comment=”375337″]….
    Somehow, these are the people that Jack needed with him at the end and at the time of his death when he closed his eyes, he was at peace with himself and the show came full circle.
    We are born, we live and we all die!
    Our eyes open….birth (or rebirth on the island) and our eyes close for one last time….death…and for those of us that chose to believe there is something after…we live on![/quote]
    Nice, Miss Lost!

  434. Angrylostfan says:

    I think I got what the ending is about. I understand what the writer wants us to know. However, this is “lost”. I want to have answers to so many questions that have been brought up over 6 seasons. It is a shame that they didn’t even try to answer that. I was so believing in the writer’s capability to tie things up. I guess I was wrong. The ending is not “lost”.

  435. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment=”375413″]No brian k vaughn writing and producing for the last season = fail. Read his stuff, im sure he could have come up with a better ending then “they were all dead, cauzse we all die” scenario. I give the finale a c-
    [/quote]
    Thankfully D&C came up with a better ending than “they were all dead” too.

    [quote comment=”375413″]
    WHATS WITH THE NUMBERS?!?!?!?!?!? you coulda at least answered that( were they the plane flight seat #’s???)[/quote]
    The numbers were explained. Earlier this season, they were revealed to be the numbers assigned to the candidates Locke, Jack, Sawyer, etc. Alternately, in one of the between-season alternate reality games the numbers were revealed to be factors in the Valenzetti Equation, which you can read more about at Lostpedia.com.

  436. Miraks says:

    I’m still trying to wrap my head around the ending and decide whether I liked it, or whether it was like discovering that Santa is not real (still love x-mas, but the magic ‘s gone).
    The one thing that bothers me the most is that Sayid was with Shannon in the end, and not Nadia. He wanted to be with Nadia before he got on the island, when he left as part of the o6, in the fsw….. And then he enters the happy ever after with Shannon? Anyone can explain that one to me?

  437. CS says:

    [quote comment=”375425″]I’m still trying to wrap my head around the ending and decide whether I liked it, or whether it was like discovering that Santa is not real (still love x-mas, but the magic ‘s gone).
    The one thing that bothers me the most is that Sayid was with Shannon in the end, and not Nadia. He wanted to be with Nadia before he got on the island, when he left as part of the o6, in the fsw….. And then he enters the happy ever after with Shannon? Anyone can explain that one to me?[/quote]

    “letting go” was a pretty major theme of the FSW world. Maybe Naudia was one of those things Sayid had to let go of in order to move on, and Shannon was a kind of fresh start.

  438. Highlander says:

    So the “sideways” world was a type of “purgatory” which was created by the people in the church so they could “move on” to the next “life” together (whether that’s the afterlife or reincarnation we’ll never know). I guess we will also never know why some people were there and some weren’t. And how they created it.

    I really don’t think everything that happened in the “real” world (the island) was pointless. What was done still saved the world. The Dharma initiative existed, they crashed, there was time-travel, etc. So essentially there are 2 separate stories/plots that have entwined. The real world and the sideways world. You can’t say that what we have watched was for not. They did save the world!

    As for the infection – that was a test to see if good prevailed in the person…it obviously did for Sayid and he was there with his pals to “move on”.

    The psychic told Claire that she must raise Aaron – if she listened to him then maybe she wouldn’t have left her baby and become this crazy person. But she did ultimately listen and go home at the end to raise her baaaby.

    Question I have: Does everyone end up having a sideways world to go to first (regardless if you were on the island or not)? My answer would be yes. Doesn’t everyone have issues to work out? That’s why I think there are 2 stories/plots.

  439. Sunnybrook says:

    [quote comment=”375112″]so no walt or michael… and where was frank and alpert and miles in the end church part?[/quote]

    They didn’t die in the first crash. They all died then.

  440. Jason says:

    [quote comment=”375429″][quote comment=”375112″]so no walt or michael… and where was frank and alpert and miles in the end church part?[/quote]

    They didn’t die in the first crash. They all died then.[/quote]
    ____________________________________
    NO ONE DIED IN THE FIRST CRASH!! well, except for all the people who did (the non-main characters i.e. the burning of the fusalage, the federal marshall, etc…)

  441. G455 says:

    I have to say I thought it was a great ending to what started 6 years ago!.. I do believe juliets statement it worked was the swan station having to be built after the bomb went off, which makes the plane crash and for these particular people to meet again in the afterlife and be able to move on into heaven!. I think the island was real and what happened there was real otherwise Ben wouldn’t have appoligized to Locke for what he did to him.

  442. Newbie says:

    [quote comment=”375419″][quote comment=”375414″][quote comment=”375402″][quote comment=”375277″][/quote]quoting Julia, what “worked” is the Universe’s plan/technique for delivering us to our lovedoneseternal/heaven at the conclusion of our trials/growthintolove (all citizens of heaven, if it be a heaven, must know (have learned) how to love correctly/perfectly[/quote]
    Thanks. I think I get it now! I talked about my revised interpretation of ‘what worked’ in comment 391. It all makes sense now, and in a very beautiful way.[/quote]
    Or…”It worked.” Same line Juliette said to cop Sawyer when she got the Apollo bar out.

    Maybe it was akin to the coffee comments?

    LOL[/quote]
    Haha! And I thought I had it all figured out!

  443. Ron says:

    heaven is for heterosexuals I guess. could they not have one gay person on this show in six years?

  444. Let go, cross over, and step into the light of LOST’s series finale at http://bit.ly/9ppGW8

  445. Jason says:

    [quote comment=”375433″]heaven is for heterosexuals I guess. could they not have one gay person on this show in six years?[/quote]
    Maybe Vincent was gay….

  446. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment=”375433″]heaven is for heterosexuals I guess. could they not have one gay person on this show in six years?[/quote]
    There were at least two – Tom Friendly, and his friend

  447. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”375433″]heaven is for heterosexuals I guess. could they not have one gay person on this show in six years?[/quote]
    How did you miss Tom Friendly?

  448. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment=”375437″][quote comment=”375433″]heaven is for heterosexuals I guess. could they not have one gay person on this show in six years?[/quote]
    How did you miss Tom Friendly?[/quote]
    Beat you to it :)

  449. Miraks says:

    [quote comment=”375433″]heaven is for heterosexuals I guess. could they not have one gay person on this show in six years?[/quote]

    I thought Shannon’s brother was.

  450. Chris says:

    Ok so here is my observation.
    Bomb explodes on island.
    Jack wakes up on plane in purgatory.
    All of the flash sideways scenes took place after Jack died in last night episode despite the fact we were being shown purgatory scenes at the beginning of the season. Basically this season had flash forwards not flash sideways.

  451. LizS says:

    [quote comment=”375425″]I’m still trying to wrap my head around the ending and decide whether I liked it, or whether it was like discovering that Santa is not real (still love x-mas, but the magic ‘s gone).
    The one thing that bothers me the most is that Sayid was with Shannon in the end, and not Nadia. He wanted to be with Nadia before he got on the island, when he left as part of the o6, in the fsw….. And then he enters the happy ever after with Shannon? Anyone can explain that one to me?[/quote]

    Me, too, Miraks! Not sure how I feel about this ending–

    There was so much that I thought was great, especially the first parts, but Shannon/Sayid–eh.

    And the reality/unreality of things–Keamy, Patchy, bad guys–what does that say about FSW world?–(I like the anti-nirvana party in the basement idea, Bobola) David the un-son–I thought that was SUCH a beautiful moment when Jack and David had that conversation about his father (to me, that’s when he resolved his daddy issues)–so it’s not as…lovely now. Because David isn’t real. So it’s like Jack giving a mental hug to himself. Or a spiritual one. Or something metaphysical like that. Which is OK, I guess, but…

    And all that religiosity– don’t get me wrong, I like the faith/spiritual/philosophical parts of this show and the discussions people have had over the years–but the church building was a little too specific for me. I wanted MORE mystery here.

    Why not a bonfire on the beach? That to me would have been more fitting. Pass around the Dharma beer, and party on into eternity.

  452. Eric says:

    So let’s suspend our notion of the church construct = religious experience for Sideways world Losties.

    The Church was the same as Mrs. Hawking’s Dharma locale in Season 5. (Real-world pre-island and pre-Jack return).

    Light there, Christian opens door to. Light on island. We see in last few episodes. Don’t know what it is, but we know it has electro-magnetic properties.

    So what if they died at ANY point in ANY timeline? If the light on the island, which events the Losties after crash experienced in real-time, did indeed have time traveling consequences, why are we assuming the finale was them walking into “heaven?” Why not shared knowledge of Desmond’s ability? One that didn’t kill him (after meeting his “constant.”) They all survived exposure to this source on the island–at some point they all met their “constants.” Why are we not assuming they could return from this place to a timeline of their choosing. Desmond could enter points in any possible paths from exposure to this energy. The cat is dead and alive.

    Super dense neutron stars could have enough mass to slow all timelines to essentially one…the island was like this exotic material. There was definitely a sense from the Losties that they were traveling and would be together. In a real place.

    Ben’s constant is Alex.

    I think if we rewatch, we’ll see Hurley’s rules, more than Jacob’s, were at work on the island in earlier seasons. When Desmond first turned the sky purple timelines were mixed. The polar bear–Hurley. Many others. But Jack still needed to take over for Jacob, so Hurley could take over for him.

  453. cyainanotherlifebrother says:

    [quote comment=”375369″][quote comment=”375182″]For a minute I thought Ben was going to pull a fast one and blow up the church with everyone in it.[/quote]

    NOW THAT would have been a good ending.
    I also thought;
    they should have panned the camera down to the Church basement and there below were all the bad people from LOST having their own little party…
    just the opposite to the Hallmark card events going on upstairs.
    Keamy and Patchy and Sun’s Dad…Jin’s Mom… could be drunk off their asses and grabbing some strippers ass, Dressing up in the Pastors clothes and doing nasty things with the sacred books & crucifix…etc.

    Mrs. Widmore could have been dancing with a Goat…should have brought in Sam Rami to do that portion. God knows it need something funny, creative, and interesting to counter the love fest in the Politically Correct Church.

    Most pointless scene;
    Bernnie and Rose in their little hideaway.
    Jack being all NOBLE in getting fLocke to promise to leave them alone. Right, let’s trust the word of the evil dead. It was ludicrous.

    Yeah, I’m with the people here who feel shortchanged.
    The show went into the toilet as far as I’m concerned.
    I’ll never watch another Network show ever. I could have written a better ending in less time than the show took to air. About half the 2 hours were Flashbacks.
    Sorry, but all the gooey reunions were simply boring…
    I just got to the point where I didn’t care anymore.

    The show ended without any humor or strangeness…
    and the fight between Jack and fLocke was absurd cliche;not just once, but TWICE fLocke clobbers Jack with a blow from his free hand at the side with a rock and then a knife.
    Like someone mentioned; fLocke has Jack knocked out in the first round and goes off to leave him able to come at him later? That’s one of the most overused Horror show cliches ever…and when I see it in a film I stop watching.
    And Jack takes a HUGE knife to the side and can continue on like he’s just sprained an ankle?
    “I think I’ll go spelunking now and lift a real heavy stone…” ???
    And Jack to Hurley; “you take over now because…well, for no reason other than…well, for no good reason…ok?”.

    I got so sick of the crappy music…it just was grating and manipulative. It was like being trapped in an Elevator with a bad Musak tape loop.
    Too may characters had this dopey grin on their faces…I guess I would too if I was making the kind of dough they must be getting for staying in Hawaii.

    The one thing that took me by surprise is how the scene between Charley and Claire got to me; it was pure corn but somehow worked well for a nanosecond…BUT THEN they diffused the whole thing right away with Claire running off to have her baby backstage. The big relief was there was no singing from Charley.
    Looks like his To Do list was limited to;
    1. How much Eyeliner can I plaster on TODAY?
    2. How shit faced can I get?

    I only felt bad for Vincent; I could just see that Hurley was going to have a hard time chasing down the Pigs for grub…but it was surely going to be a lot easier at some point to say; “here doggy!”

    Miles went to fix the plane with some Duct tape?
    I guess since the plane was “dead” he could ask it how to fix itself?
    Missing were any good plane jokes. One of the passengers should have been scrounging around saying; “hey, Airline food sounds pretty good right about now!”
    Or someone calmly thumbing through the IN FLIGHT magazine looking intensely interested as the plane starts to roar down the coconut grove. Or picking up a copy of a book left behind; The Autobiography of Leslie Nielsen…
    But no, we got a Movie of the week instead;…but we got zip.
    And here we had MILES, the quip Master onboard.
    If ever a scene was ripe for self parody and moment of fun.

    The big reunion was missing some players (as others noted). Missing Ana Lucia and a few others but then they were not paired up with love interests so written off?
    Would have been funny to have Ana L. in the back pew french kissing Michael. Well, that’s just the sort of thing I like…if you’re going to have unexplained events…let’s go all the way.

    LOST In the end; Tepid, Cliche, Sappy Kitsch, and not much imagination…about the level of a High School writer doing a project for her class in Romance Novels.[/quote]

    This is the best review of the finale i have seen so far, Its pretty obvious now that the writers did not know from the start where this story was going to go and just made it up depending on how many series they were allowed to create, I mean the first thing ya learn with creative writing is structure these writers seem to have forgotten that. the reset nuclear bomb ending would have been much better than this bull crap last night and would have made more sense.

  454. Laura Android says:

    I absolutely loved the ending. I can’t seem to shake it. All day I’ve been rethinking life and what I’m doing with it, which may sound cheesy but I find it amazing that LOST tackled the “one” question that we will never know until it happens. WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE DIE? I didn’t think I was going to like what they were doing until Jack was in the church and lifted the casket lid. I thought they were going to make the Sideways land their new reality and kind of wipe away everything we had seen on the island, which would have been a cop out. But what they did, pulling out the rug with the sideways world was so unexpected but so appropriate and awesome. Just the other day I was one of the nitpicky people who wanted every little question answered and somehow they made all that shit unimportant to me which from a writer’s perspective is so insanely hard to do. They pulled it off 100% for me and I love the fact that there are no alternate timelines that change anything we’ve seen over the past six years. Whatever happened happened. It was a completely classy and beautiful way to end and epic show. I mean it makes sense that we don’t know what the hell the island is because no one does. There are so many questions in life we don’t have the answers to and the way the writers handled it was perfect.

  455. First Time Long Time says:

    [quote comment=”375341″]To all of those who are upset with the way the show ended, I ask one question…Why? Has LOST ever been a show about answers? It has always been a show about love, redemption, and coming to terms with their own demons.

    I have seen many posts that are still asking some of the same questions. What are the numbers? A coinsidence. They were the numbers given to candidates, that also happend to show up EVERYWHERE. The reason being…Because. Is that a good answer? It’s neither good or bad. It is what it is. Walt left the island and is having a better life for it. Move on! The FSW was limbo, the rest of the story was real. That is a given. The shoe at the end show us that it was real. That is why they made the effort to show it (and the wreckedge is just a backdrop for the credits as many have stated previously). All the time traveling, DHARMA, smoke monster, etc…where essential to get the characters to the place they needed to be. Why do we need an explanation? Can we really time travel? No. So how can we really explain it?

    I think this was the best ending the show could have had. How could we admire D&C if they just gave us a list of explanations. I love the idea of interpretation. It lets us connect with the characters in a more personal way. We all loved the show, otherwise we would not be on this blog. To all you nitpickers, go rewatch all the seasons. While we loved the Sci-fi mystery, it was the writing and the characters that brought it to life. I for one am a fan of how this ended.[/quote]

    Very well said, brotha!

  456. funwhileitlasted says:

    [quote comment=”375443″][quote comment=”375369″][quote comment=”375182″]For a minute I thought Ben was going to pull a fast one and blow up the church with everyone in it.[/quote]

    NOW THAT would have been a good ending.
    I also thought;
    they should have panned the camera down to the Church basement and there below were all the bad people from LOST having their own little party…
    just the opposite to the Hallmark card events going on upstairs.
    Keamy and Patchy and Sun’s Dad…Jin’s Mom… could be drunk off their asses and grabbing some strippers ass, Dressing up in the Pastors clothes and doing nasty things with the sacred books & crucifix…etc.

    Mrs. Widmore could have been dancing with a Goat…should have brought in Sam Rami to do that portion. God knows it need something funny, creative, and interesting to counter the love fest in the Politically Correct Church.

    Most pointless scene;
    Bernnie and Rose in their little hideaway.
    Jack being all NOBLE in getting fLocke to promise to leave them alone. Right, let’s trust the word of the evil dead. It was ludicrous.

    Yeah, I’m with the people here who feel shortchanged.
    The show went into the toilet as far as I’m concerned.
    I’ll never watch another Network show ever. I could have written a better ending in less time than the show took to air. About half the 2 hours were Flashbacks.
    Sorry, but all the gooey reunions were simply boring…
    I just got to the point where I didn’t care anymore.

    The show ended without any humor or strangeness…
    and the fight between Jack and fLocke was absurd cliche;not just once, but TWICE fLocke clobbers Jack with a blow from his free hand at the side with a rock and then a knife.
    Like someone mentioned; fLocke has Jack knocked out in the first round and goes off to leave him able to come at him later? That’s one of the most overused Horror show cliches ever…and when I see it in a film I stop watching.
    And Jack takes a HUGE knife to the side and can continue on like he’s just sprained an ankle?
    “I think I’ll go spelunking now and lift a real heavy stone…” ???
    And Jack to Hurley; “you take over now because…well, for no reason other than…well, for no good reason…ok?”.

    I got so sick of the crappy music…it just was grating and manipulative. It was like being trapped in an Elevator with a bad Musak tape loop.
    Too may characters had this dopey grin on their faces…I guess I would too if I was making the kind of dough they must be getting for staying in Hawaii.

    The one thing that took me by surprise is how the scene between Charley and Claire got to me; it was pure corn but somehow worked well for a nanosecond…BUT THEN they diffused the whole thing right away with Claire running off to have her baby backstage. The big relief was there was no singing from Charley.
    Looks like his To Do list was limited to;
    1. How much Eyeliner can I plaster on TODAY?
    2. How shit faced can I get?

    I only felt bad for Vincent; I could just see that Hurley was going to have a hard time chasing down the Pigs for grub…but it was surely going to be a lot easier at some point to say; “here doggy!”

    Miles went to fix the plane with some Duct tape?
    I guess since the plane was “dead” he could ask it how to fix itself?
    Missing were any good plane jokes. One of the passengers should have been scrounging around saying; “hey, Airline food sounds pretty good right about now!”
    Or someone calmly thumbing through the IN FLIGHT magazine looking intensely interested as the plane starts to roar down the coconut grove. Or picking up a copy of a book left behind; The Autobiography of Leslie Nielsen…
    But no, we got a Movie of the week instead;…but we got zip.
    And here we had MILES, the quip Master onboard.
    If ever a scene was ripe for self parody and moment of fun.

    The big reunion was missing some players (as others noted). Missing Ana Lucia and a few others but then they were not paired up with love interests so written off?
    Would have been funny to have Ana L. in the back pew french kissing Michael. Well, that’s just the sort of thing I like…if you’re going to have unexplained events…let’s go all the way.

    LOST In the end; Tepid, Cliche, Sappy Kitsch, and not much imagination…about the level of a High School writer doing a project for her class in Romance Novels.[/quote]

    This is the best review of the finale i have seen so far, Its pretty obvious now that the writers did not know from the start where this story was going to go and just made it up depending on how many series they were allowed to create, I mean the first thing ya learn with creative writing is structure these writers seem to have forgotten that. the reset nuclear bomb ending would have been much better than this bull crap last night and would have made more sense.[/quote]
    I disagree w/ Rose and Bernard’s scene being pointless. Rose told Desmond that he has to leave because they already broke the rules by helping him and that they promised to not intervene. That let us know that they have been talking to someone who knows the rules. It also let us know that they have had this figured out for quite some time now which makes sense because their love has always been there. Rose also said something about time which is similar to what Christian told Jack. Rose told Sawyer however many episodes ago… that they are trying so hard to get back to a life that they were unhappy w/ anyway.

  457. LizS says:

    #
    cyainanotherlifebrother
    Bobola
    Tim
    Laura Android
    ===================
    OMG–that sequence of posts was flat out awesome!

    Its what I love about this blog in a nutshell!
    Totally opposite viewpoints, well expressed.

    Round of Dharma beer on me.

  458. 4everlost says:

    [quote comment=”375273″]

    Exellent ending ,worth all the wait . sad, moving and fulfilled my expectations.Thanks to the web site. hammer,pj,toeknee,lost4ever,misskim, thanks for nothing .bye

    [/quote]
    so solly. don’t go. your spelling and punctuation have improved immensely.

  459. Mr. $tuart says:

    I get what Christian said about the people being in the church because their best times were with each other, but they threw in Penny I guess to appease the fans of her connection with Desmond, so why couldn’t they do the same with Locke and Helen? Didn’t everybody want to see him end up with her? From the very beginning when they showed him talking to that broad on the phone sex hotline to the very end, I wanted Locke to be happy in love with Helen. They teased us this season and in the end it was stolen away.

  460. Tasha says:

    [quote comment=”375450″]I get what Christian said about the people being in the church because their best times were with each other, but they threw in Penny I guess to appease the fans of her connection with Desmond, so why couldn’t they do the same with Locke and Helen? Didn’t everybody want to see him end up with her? From the very beginning when they showed him talking to that broad on the phone sex hotline to the very end, I wanted Locke to be happy in love with Helen. They teased us this season and in the end it was stolen away.[/quote]

    Either way you look at it, a lot of the people in there didn’t make any sense. It was just a way for the writers to have a bunch of cast members in a happily ever after scene. Watching back earlier, it was kind of sad Locke didn’t have anybody. They should have given him an island “Love” in those six seasons. Or at least thrown Ben in there so they could be together lol.

  461. JcK says:

    What I don’t understand (beyond how anyone came away from last night’s episode thinking the Losties were dead the whole time….I mean Christian said POINT BLANK that everything was real…couldn’t have been any clearer) is why there’s so much bashing going on.

    Of course, everyone’s entitled to their opinion, but I would be really interested in hearing how you would have ended the series???

    I mean, there are plenty of things that I would rather have seen continue with the overall story arc but you have to remember that this story-telling process is organic – happening spontaneously, to a degree, over time. Additionally, many things happened over the last 6 years that could never have been planned for: writers’ strike shortening season 4, the uncertainty (initially, at least) as to how long the show would be produced, actors coming and going, etc. etc. etc.

    I, personally, am thankful for having experienced a show that didn’t dumb itself down, challenged viewers, and dared to be as creative and as “outside the box” as it was. I’m only sad it couldn’t go on longer.

  462. Heidi says:

    Why did Locke say to Jack in the hospital when he had his awakening “You have no son”

  463. Laura Android says:

    OMG! You guys gotta check these out! Best LOST art I’ve seen in a long time.

    http://www.indiegogo.com/BYE-BYE-LOST

  464. TanziTwo says:

    [quote comment=”375369″]
    ..they should have panned the camera down to the Church basement and there below were all the bad people from LOST having their own little party… just the opposite to the Hallmark card events going on upstairs. Keamy and Patchy and Sun’s Dad…Jin’s Mom… could be drunk off their asses and grabbing some strippers ass…
    [/quote]
    (The basement has that super secret computer with the giant pendulum that tracks the island.)

    doh… Tina Fey-wannabe Zoe stripping for Widmore? Zoe stripping for Hawking? Zoe riding the giant pendulum while stripping.

    here she is pole dancing

    http://www.sfactor.com/sheila_kelleys_workout/about_sheilasstory.asp

  465. funwhileitlasted says:

    [quote comment=”375452″]What I don’t understand (beyond how anyone came away from last night’s episode thinking the Losties were dead the whole time….I mean Christian said POINT BLANK that everything was real…couldn’t have been any clearer) is why there’s so much bashing going on.

    Of course, everyone’s entitled to their opinion, but I would be really interested in hearing how you would have ended the series???

    I mean, there are plenty of things that I would rather have seen continue with the overall story arc but you have to remember that this story-telling process is organic – happening spontaneously, to a degree, over time. Additionally, many things happened over the last 6 years that could never have been planned for: writers’ strike shortening season 4, the uncertainty (initially, at least) as to how long the show would be produced, actors coming and going, etc. etc. etc.

    I, personally, am thankful for having experienced a show that didn’t dumb itself down, challenged viewers, and dared to be as creative and as “outside the box” as it was. I’m only sad it couldn’t go on longer.[/quote]
    I agree. There have been a lot of posts where people say they could have done it better… bs. If you could have then you would have. To belittle the writers because the show did not end the way you wanted it to is insane. Everyone who thinks that should develop/write a tv show. Hopefully, its good enough to even get a blog site.

  466. Laura Android says:

    Because Jack never had a son in “REALITY.” It’s sort of like that sweet Justice League episode when Superman realizes he’s been in a comatose state and that the family he’s created in his mind do not exist. What I find interesting about it is how the son is there. Did Jack and Juliet give birth to a son in the afterlife or was he created by Jack like how Christian says, you all created this world, sort of thing. Or, is the kid not even their son but he’s got a job pretending to be. Either way it was awesome.

  467. Jake328 says:

    [quote comment=”375425″]I’m still trying to wrap my head around the ending and decide whether I liked it, or whether it was like discovering that Santa is not real (still love x-mas, but the magic ‘s gone).
    The one thing that bothers me the most is that Sayid was with Shannon in the end, and not Nadia. He wanted to be with Nadia before he got on the island, when he left as part of the o6, in the fsw….. And then he enters the happy ever after with Shannon? Anyone can explain that one to me?[/quote]
    Nadia wasn’t a virgin – sorry couldn’t resist. :O

  468. huck finn says:

    So the whole theory that the all the people on the Oceanic were actually dead and in a state of purgatory is true?

    I wish they had answered the whole, “Birth on island is impossible” plot. It is now obvious that it was just a filler subplot just like animal testing and such.

    Overall, I liked the ending.

  469. The Doors says:

    [quote comment=”375457″]Because Jack never had a son in “REALITY.” It’s sort of like that sweet Justice League episode when Superman realizes he’s been in a comatose state and that the family he’s created in his mind do not exist. What I find interesting about it is how the son is there. Did Jack and Juliet give birth to a son in the afterlife or was he created by Jack like how Christian says, you all created this world, sort of thing. Or, is the kid not even their son but he’s got a job pretending to be. Either way it was awesome.[/quote]
    ________

    you hit the nail on the head. Jack “created” his son. That is why Locke tells him he has no son to sort of wake him up.

    [quote comment=”375452″]What I don’t understand (beyond how anyone came away from last night’s episode thinking the Losties were dead the whole time….I mean Christian said POINT BLANK that everything was real…couldn’t have been any clearer) is why there’s so much bashing going on.

    Of course, everyone’s entitled to their opinion, but I would be really interested in hearing how you would have ended the series???[/quote

    ___

    I would have liked to see the series end without the FSW as in only island time. It would have been great and just as controversial. The FSW was more of a *wink to the fans by D&C. a sort of we wont give you the answers you want but we will let you see Jack and the gang together again. I guess in the end you dont die alone…

  470. Richard says:

    What caused Richard to be timeless, and why did he begin aging? Was it when he “let go”? (Sounds wrong) Were others on the Island also not aging? Is the island a pocket universe that travels near light speed relative to our universe? lol

  471. Jake328 says:

    [quote comment=”375436″][quote comment=”375433″]heaven is for heterosexuals I guess. could they not have one gay person on this show in six years?[/quote]
    There were at least two – Tom Friendly, and his friend[/quote]
    And all the sea men on the Black Rock

  472. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”375459″]So the whole theory that the all the people on the Oceanic were actually dead and in a state of purgatory is true?

    I wish they had answered the whole, “Birth on island is impossible” plot. It is now obvious that it was just a filler subplot just like animal testing and such.

    Overall, I liked the ending.[/quote]
    Not true, IMO.

    I think they gave us enough info to work with on why women couldn’t have babies. The island is the cork that keeps evil away from the rest of the world. The island had special electro magnetic properties. The island was to be protected…not exploited. The island did not want corrupting folks to procreate. It became obvious that Ben was not the island protector, Jacob allowed him free will to take over part of the island, but the island itself would not allow procreation.

  473. Belle says:

    I’ve read 300 posts so far, so forgive me if I repeat anything.

    Others have stated that things came full circle and I agree. Everything was the opposite in the end. Obviously it ended with Jack’s eye because that’s how it started. He was in the same spot in the bamboo forest where he woke up after the crash. The wreckage of flight 815 on the beach was the first thing he saw after running out of the forest. That is why they showed it to us. Crashing on the island was the beginning of their journey to redemption.

    The island time line was the real time line. The LOSTIES wouldn’t have seen flashes of their lives on the island or the important people or events they experienced if it never happened.

    I don’t believe in Purgatory, no offense to anyone that does. I believe in the afterlife (Heaven and Hell) but the FSW WAS NOT PURGATORY. Purgatory is supposed to be a place of temporary punishment or paying for your sins after death. The characters were not being punished. We saw our LOSTIES grow into better people and change their lives due to their experiences on the island.

  474. Laura Android says:

    I think Richard started aging once the candidate had been instated and Jacobs time is over. Once Jack drank the water Richard’s job was done. When the ashes were completely gone and Jack took over, another cycle begins…hence Richard goes back to what he was.

  475. JcK says:

    [quote comment=”375465″][quote comment=”375459″]So the whole theory that the all the people on the Oceanic were actually dead and in a state of purgatory is true?

    I wish they had answered the whole, “Birth on island is impossible” plot. It is now obvious that it was just a filler subplot just like animal testing and such.

    Overall, I liked the ending.[/quote]
    Not true, IMO.

    I think they gave us enough info to work with on why women couldn’t have babies. The island is the cork that keeps evil away from the rest of the world. The island had special electro magnetic properties. The island was to be protected…not exploited. The island did not want corrupting folks to procreate. It became obvious that Ben was not the island protector, Jacob allowed him free will to take over part of the island, but the island itself would not allow procreation.[/quote]

    Wasn’t it mentioned at some point that The Incident was thought to be responsible for the inability to have children on the island?

  476. wally p says:

    So maybe a lot of questions weren’t answered, but if you go back, I’ll bet you see so many answers were there all along… I was only suprised by a few last minute plot points from the last maybe ten episodes that seemed useless… but I’m ok with that… There should be a Charles Widmore TV Movie at some point… ABC did a ton of random Columbo movies for like twenty years after that show ended… my fingers are crossed…

  477. Belle says:

    [quote comment=”375288″][quote comment=”375273″]Exellent ending ,worth all the wait . sad, moving and fulfilled my expectations.Thanks to the web site. hammer,pj,toeknee,lost4ever,misskim, thanks for nothing .bye[/quote]
    You’re welc- hey, what?[/quote]

    What? They or anyone else here didn’t write the show. Were all of your theories or interpretations right?

  478. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”375466″]
    I don’t believe in Purgatory, no offense to anyone that does. I believe in the afterlife (Heaven and Hell) but the FSW WAS NOT PURGATORY. Purgatory is supposed to be a place of temporary punishment or paying for your sins after death. The characters were not being punished. We saw our LOSTIES grow into better people and change their lives due to their experiences on the island.[/quote]
    I agree it was not THE PURGATORY, but I think it was LIKE purgatory.

    BTW, temporal punishment…not necessarily temporary punishment.

    http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12575a.htm

  479. Hurley's Dad says:

    [quote comment=”375407″][quote comment=”375398″][quote comment=”375392″]NOBODY SEEMS TO REMEMBER THAT RICHARD SAID “WE’RE ALL DEAD” & REMEMBER MICHAEL SAID” WE’RE THE ONES WHO CANT MOVE ON”

    I STILL BELIEVE THAT THEY ALL DIED ON THAT FIRST PLANE CRASH & THE ISLAND WAS PURGATORY.[/quote]
    ****************
    I guess this is what makes it so great. That you can shout it out in all caps to all of us that they died!
    AND I CAN DO THE SAME THING. IT IS JUST THAT I DISAGREE WITH YOU. WHAT HAPPENED HAPPENED! THEY ALL LIVED AND THEY ALL DIED AT VARIOUS TIMES AND AT VARIOUS AGES.
    We are all in two camps just like so many of our losties have been for 6 years. You live at the beach or in a cave. You go with Locke or stay with Jack.
    The show left it up to your imagination, and your own interpretation:)[/quote]
    I DONT KNOW WHY WE’RE YELLING. I love lamp.[/quote]
    sector7 is my new favorite

  480. huck finn says:

    I wonder if the producers and writers KNEW that had six seasons of shows to produce whether the shows events would have been different?

    I was hoping that everything that happened in the previous years were some how tied into the meaning of why they were all on the island.

    Oh well, overall it was an awesome run.

  481. LizS says:

    1. the writers are not gods, only demi-gods–

    2. it’s OK to be disappointed/upset/happy/sad, we still have free will

    3.I’m still wrapping my mind around the ending–my expectations vs. what happened, where i thought they might go and where they went, and how I feel about it. It’s a mix.

    4. It started with Jack, it ended with Jack–that’s fitting. The Island goes on, also fitting, with many mysteries intact…only now there’ll probably be a statue of Yoda instead of Tawaret if Hurley has anything to say about it

    5. I’m off for my next series finale, 24–how much entertainment loss can a person take?!?!?! My Jacks! (and I married a Jack, too)

    6. Here’s a quote:
    “The difference between reality and fiction? Fiction has to make sense.” Tom Clancy

    Not sure how that applies to LOST, but what the heck.

    Peace out, folks!

  482. rich says:

    [quote comment=”375128″]Everything was real, but they all died at different times, but their fates, love and life were so intertwined that they (tacitly) made a pact to meet up and leave together once everyone was ready to leave … Leave where? Leave their earthly existence. And Jack took his time getting there, even though it appeared that he died rather quickly after plugging the energy source.

    There is no ‘now’ in the afterlife and a day could be a millennium, or a hundred years – one minute long. There is no time, or space — there is only love. It was perfectly beautiful.[/quote]

    I agree completely, Kim. A perfect poem, a terrific ending, and we will see our soulmates in that perfect place.

  483. JcK says:

    [quote comment=”375473″]I wonder if the producers and writers KNEW that had six seasons of shows to produce whether the shows events would have been different?

    I was hoping that everything that happened in the previous years were some how tied into the meaning of why they were all on the island.

    Oh well, overall it was an awesome run.[/quote]

    I think at one point, they didn’t even know if they’d be back for a second season. After the show took off, they were thinking 7 seasons as far as I recall. I know the writers’ strike affected things significantly as well….

  484. sector7 says:

    [quote comment=”375465″][quote comment=”375459″]So the whole theory that the all the people on the Oceanic were actually dead and in a state of purgatory is true?

    I wish they had answered the whole, “Birth on island is impossible” plot. It is now obvious that it was just a filler subplot just like animal testing and such.

    Overall, I liked the ending.[/quote]
    Not true, IMO.

    I think they gave us enough info to work with on why women couldn’t have babies. The island is the cork that keeps evil away from the rest of the world. The island had special electro magnetic properties. The island was to be protected…not exploited. The island did not want corrupting folks to procreate. It became obvious that Ben was not the island protector, Jacob allowed him free will to take over part of the island, but the island itself would not allow procreation.[/quote]
    __________________________________
    Huck, the first part of your post is false.

    I would also say it’s possible that birth didn’t happen because of the incident. The only two babies to be born on the island after the incident were Alex and Aaron. It’s also possible it was one of Jacob’s rules for a time. Or as Hammer said, due to the island magic for one reason or another. Could be Jacob did that to bring Juliet to the island.

  485. sector7 says:

    [quote comment=”375477″][quote comment=”375465″][quote comment=”375459″]So the whole theory that the all the people on the Oceanic were actually dead and in a state of purgatory is true?

    I wish they had answered the whole, “Birth on island is impossible” plot. It is now obvious that it was just a filler subplot just like animal testing and such.

    Overall, I liked the ending.[/quote]
    Not true, IMO.

    I think they gave us enough info to work with on why women couldn’t have babies. The island is the cork that keeps evil away from the rest of the world. The island had special electro magnetic properties. The island was to be protected…not exploited. The island did not want corrupting folks to procreate. It became obvious that Ben was not the island protector, Jacob allowed him free will to take over part of the island, but the island itself would not allow procreation.[/quote]
    __________________________________
    Huck, the first part of your post is false.

    I would also say it’s possible that birth didn’t happen because of the incident. The only two babies to be born on the island after the incident were Alex and Aaron. It’s also possible it was one of Jacob’s rules for a time. Or as Hammer said, due to the island magic for one reason or another. Could be Jacob did that to bring Juliet to the island.[/quote]
    Actually I may have misunderstood you. FSW Oceanic people are dead.

  486. Sebastion says:

    wow im really disapointed because i have no clue what that show was about…..jesus im sitting here after i watched it and am like….huh..?!?! what just happend… a concert, a church, a plane flying away from the island….and huh..?!?! so ok it’s over what a waste of time..i guess i can play WOW now. pfft this makes me cry :(

  487. enik says:

    COMPARISON OF JACOB AND HURLEY AND THE MEANING OF THE ISLAND

    Jacob assembled a group of candidates that, like him, were flawed. He needed to find a successor and when necessary, traveled off island to nudge them along. Like Jacob, some had issues with their parents, with society, and with themselves.

    Hurley talks to dead people. He runs the island now and also has helped bring everyone together — but in a different way — though contact in the afterlife. His purpose is so they can “let go.”

    The island was an interim place to work things out. If the island “isn’t done with you yet,” then you still have a chance to evolve as a person. Some will never evolve; they linger, whispering, wandering.

    The candidates were smart. Capable of carrying out elaborate con games, for the good of themselves or others. Some on the island came to exploit it’s magical properties. At first, candidates and others do not know which group to align themselves with. Who is good or bad, is not always clear.

    Different groups use different approaches to survive, understand, to grow. After eons of different groups with different leaders, power struggles and shifting alliances, one combination of people figured things out. This show was about them, in the physical world that we live in, and in this interim world, where time and space is irrelevant. WHEN you die doesn’t matter. It’s not WHERE that matters, whether on or off island. It’s HOW you live your life and HOW you treat your fellow man.

    Jacob did save them. And Hurley sent them on their way.

  488. rich says:

    Saw this on another site, so I cut & paste it. I believe it’s a perfect summary.

    I believe that everyone died in the plane crash. Christian said it himself, time was irrellevent. Everyone died in the crash. The island was created for the “flawed” people to find some closure to prepare for the afterlife. They were alone and needed to show that they are ready to move on. The flash-sideways was created as a final way for those stuck in purgatory (the island) to move on. The island and the flash sideways were connected. What happened on the island was the internal struggle to be good and for the characters to “let go” so that in the flash sideways they may move on (scene in the church). Jack was the last to “let go” on the island (he died, the people escaped and he saved the island) thus allowing him in the sideways to move on to the light. As the characters “let go” they realized they were dead in the flash sideways. I feel as though The Man in Black was stuck on the island never proving that he was ready to leave. He became bitter and wanted to kill the person guiding him (jacob) along to the light. Jacob’s time was done and hurley inherited the guide position. Ultimately, the people needed each other to move on. Hence the names on the wall. The lost characters needed everyone “realized” to move to the light. So it was the job of the guide (jacob) to help them realize it. I will give jack as an example of this thoery. He needed to save the island. He saved the island and once that happened he died and realized that he was ready to move on. Hurley realized he was going to become the new guide. Every character had a goal on the island so once those were completed they were able to realized they were ready to move on. They made the connections and/or fixed relationships in death that they never could in life and then moved to a better place. To explain the people like penny and others who were not on the plane, was that time like christian said was irrellevent. Penny could have lived to be 100 and then died and when they finally realized they were dead, was transported back to the church to be with desmond. Making the connection with loved ones before moving on.

    in short, everyone needs to resolve something in death that wasn’t resolved in life. After that is resolved, then you are able to move on. Each path is different but in the end its the connections we made, or not made that help/hinder us. We are all connected and looking for closure. And thats the end…great ending…

  489. Laura Android says:

    OMG! The BEST LOST ART ever…I’m buying the polar bear one right now :) SWEET!

    http://www.indiegogo.com/BYE-BYE-LOST

  490. Tasha says:

    [quote comment=”375481″]Saw this on another site, so I cut & paste it. I believe it’s a perfect summary.

    I believe that everyone died in the plane crash. Christian said it himself, time was irrellevent. Everyone died in the crash. The island was created for the “flawed” people to find some closure to prepare for the afterlife. They were alone and needed to show that they are ready to move on. The flash-sideways was created as a final way for those stuck in purgatory (the island) to move on. The island and the flash sideways were connected. What happened on the island was the internal struggle to be good and for the characters to “let go” so that in the flash sideways they may move on (scene in the church). Jack was the last to “let go” on the island (he died, the people escaped and he saved the island) thus allowing him in the sideways to move on to the light. As the characters “let go” they realized they were dead in the flash sideways. I feel as though The Man in Black was stuck on the island never proving that he was ready to leave. He became bitter and wanted to kill the person guiding him (jacob) along to the light. Jacob’s time was done and hurley inherited the guide position. Ultimately, the people needed each other to move on. Hence the names on the wall. The lost characters needed everyone “realized” to move to the light. So it was the job of the guide (jacob) to help them realize it. I will give jack as an example of this thoery. He needed to save the island. He saved the island and once that happened he died and realized that he was ready to move on. Hurley realized he was going to become the new guide. Every character had a goal on the island so once those were completed they were able to realized they were ready to move on. They made the connections and/or fixed relationships in death that they never could in life and then moved to a better place. To explain the people like penny and others who were not on the plane, was that time like christian said was irrellevent. Penny could have lived to be 100 and then died and when they finally realized they were dead, was transported back to the church to be with desmond. Making the connection with loved ones before moving on.

    in short, everyone needs to resolve something in death that wasn’t resolved in life. After that is resolved, then you are able to move on. Each path is different but in the end its the connections we made, or not made that help/hinder us. We are all connected and looking for closure. And thats the end…great ending…[/quote]

    What site did you find that on?

  491. Betty says:

    The FSW they introduced this series was to throw us off of the real questions, that they never answered. Everybody is preocupied trying to figure out what the FSW means and the actual questions as were mentioned before never got answered.

  492. rich says:

    [quote comment=”375483″][quote comment=”375481″]Saw this on another site, so I cut & paste it. I believe it’s a perfect summary.

    I believe that everyone died in the plane crash. Christian said it himself, time was irrellevent. Everyone died in the crash. The island was created for the “flawed” people to find some closure to prepare for the afterlife. They were alone and needed to show that they are ready to move on. The flash-sideways was created as a final way for those stuck in purgatory (the island) to move on. The island and the flash sideways were connected. What happened on the island was the internal struggle to be good and for the characters to “let go” so that in the flash sideways they may move on (scene in the church). Jack was the last to “let go” on the island (he died, the people escaped and he saved the island) thus allowing him in the sideways to move on to the light. As the characters “let go” they realized they were dead in the flash sideways. I feel as though The Man in Black was stuck on the island never proving that he was ready to leave. He became bitter and wanted to kill the person guiding him (jacob) along to the light. Jacob’s time was done and hurley inherited the guide position. Ultimately, the people needed each other to move on. Hence the names on the wall. The lost characters needed everyone “realized” to move to the light. So it was the job of the guide (jacob) to help them realize it. I will give jack as an example of this thoery. He needed to save the island. He saved the island and once that happened he died and realized that he was ready to move on. Hurley realized he was going to become the new guide. Every character had a goal on the island so once those were completed they were able to realized they were ready to move on. They made the connections and/or fixed relationships in death that they never could in life and then moved to a better place. To explain the people like penny and others who were not on the plane, was that time like christian said was irrellevent. Penny could have lived to be 100 and then died and when they finally realized they were dead, was transported back to the church to be with desmond. Making the connection with loved ones before moving on.

    in short, everyone needs to resolve something in death that wasn’t resolved in life. After that is resolved, then you are able to move on. Each path is different but in the end its the connections we made, or not made that help/hinder us. We are all connected and looking for closure. And thats the end…great ending…[/quote]

    What site did you find that on?[/quote]

    My local paper, http://www.sun-sentinel.com. Was asking for comments, read that one. IMO, it seemed to sum it up perfectly.

  493. sector7 says:

    [quote comment=”375485″][quote comment=”375483″][quote comment=”375481″]Saw this on another site, so I cut & paste it. I believe it’s a perfect summary.

    I believe that everyone died in the plane crash. Christian said it himself, time was irrellevent. Everyone died in the crash. The island was created for the “flawed” people to find some closure to prepare for the afterlife. They were alone and needed to show that they are ready to move on. The flash-sideways was created as a final way for those stuck in purgatory (the island) to move on. The island and the flash sideways were connected. What happened on the island was the internal struggle to be good and for the characters to “let go” so that in the flash sideways they may move on (scene in the church). Jack was the last to “let go” on the island (he died, the people escaped and he saved the island) thus allowing him in the sideways to move on to the light. As the characters “let go” they realized they were dead in the flash sideways. I feel as though The Man in Black was stuck on the island never proving that he was ready to leave. He became bitter and wanted to kill the person guiding him (jacob) along to the light. Jacob’s time was done and hurley inherited the guide position. Ultimately, the people needed each other to move on. Hence the names on the wall. The lost characters needed everyone “realized” to move to the light. So it was the job of the guide (jacob) to help them realize it. I will give jack as an example of this thoery. He needed to save the island. He saved the island and once that happened he died and realized that he was ready to move on. Hurley realized he was going to become the new guide. Every character had a goal on the island so once those were completed they were able to realized they were ready to move on. They made the connections and/or fixed relationships in death that they never could in life and then moved to a better place. To explain the people like penny and others who were not on the plane, was that time like christian said was irrellevent. Penny could have lived to be 100 and then died and when they finally realized they were dead, was transported back to the church to be with desmond. Making the connection with loved ones before moving on.

    in short, everyone needs to resolve something in death that wasn’t resolved in life. After that is resolved, then you are able to move on. Each path is different but in the end its the connections we made, or not made that help/hinder us. We are all connected and looking for closure. And thats the end…great ending…[/quote]

    What site did you find that on?[/quote]

    My local paper, http://www.sun-sentinel.com. Was asking for comments, read that one. IMO, it seemed to sum it up perfectly.[/quote]
    _______________________________________
    Negative. This is not what Christian said. Desmond, Widmore, Miles, Lapidus, Charlotte, Daniel, etc., where never on 815 so how is it they were dead all along? The logic of that take is flawed. It’s not correct. You can’t prove me wrong. In fact, the show states proof to the contrary. Please, everyone just stop saying they were dead from the first crash.

  494. Found says:

    Absolutely loved the ending… Why should anyone think that all of the mysteries and every little detail of the Island would be resolved. If we take for granted that Jack’s character is the “eye” through which the show was shown, from his perspective, he only knows what he finds out to be true. It is his transformation from a broken, “lost”, faithless soul, searching for meaning in his life, and the people and situations along the way, that shape and mold who he ultimately becomes. He doesn’t have the luxury of time to unravel all of the mysteries, he just has to take a leap of faith that it is all real, he has a purpose in life, and this is it, and just do it. What greater purpose can a character in a story have than to be purposed with the fate that he has found himself to be in, that being the unique position of being THE ONE that gets to save the world, and every one he loves and cares for. Answering all of the questions would be a nice prologue to the story, but not necessary for our hero to have his destiny fulfilled. Jack never got all of the answers… so neither will we… After all, what we are ultimately asking for is for someone to reveal to us the secrets of our own existence. We don’t get to have those answers until our own final moment, and we close our eyes on this existence… and open them on the other side…

  495. rich says:

    [/quote]
    _______________________________________
    Negative. This is not what Christian said. Desmond, Widmore, Miles, Lapidus, Charlotte, Daniel, etc., where never on 815 so how is it they were dead all along? The logic of that take is flawed. It’s not correct. You can’t prove me wrong. In fact, the show states proof to the contrary. Please, everyone just stop saying they were dead from the first crash.[/quote]

    Seems to me you are stuck in your own timeframe. That entire group you just mentioned are connected to Widmore in some fashion, and came to the island independantly. The show isn’t about the ‘extras’, it’s about the Oceanic 815’ers. These characters all had flaws/gifts that the Oceanic 815’ers needed to know/have in order to make the connection to their constants/partners. Widmore made the introductions. Those people you mentioned were not dead all along…but must have died in FSW along the way.

    How does that sound to you?

  496. rich says:

    Answering Sector 7 below
    [quote comment=”375488″][/quote]
    _______________________________________
    Negative. This is not what Christian said. Desmond, Widmore, Miles, Lapidus, Charlotte, Daniel, etc., where never on 815 so how is it they were dead all along? The logic of that take is flawed. It’s not correct. You can’t prove me wrong. In fact, the show states proof to the contrary. Please, everyone just stop saying they were dead from the first crash.[/quote] ::Ending Sector 7’s quote::

    Seems to me you are stuck in your own timeframe. That entire group you just mentioned are connected to Widmore in some fashion, and came to the island independantly. The show isn’t about the ‘extras’, it’s about the Oceanic 815’ers. These characters all had flaws/gifts that the Oceanic 815’ers needed to know/have in order to make the connection to their constants/partners. Widmore made the introductions. Those people you mentioned were not dead all along…but must have died in FSW along the way.

    How does that sound to you?[/quote]

  497. sector7 says:

    [quote comment=”375488″][/quote]
    _______________________________________
    Negative. This is not what Christian said. Desmond, Widmore, Miles, Lapidus, Charlotte, Daniel, etc., where never on 815 so how is it they were dead all along? The logic of that take is flawed. It’s not correct. You can’t prove me wrong. In fact, the show states proof to the contrary. Please, everyone just stop saying they were dead from the first crash.[/quote]

    Seems to me you are stuck in your own timeframe. That entire group you just mentioned are connected to Widmore in some fashion, and came to the island independantly. The show isn’t about the ‘extras’, it’s about the Oceanic 815’ers. These characters all had flaws/gifts that the Oceanic 815’ers needed to know/have in order to make the connection to their constants/partners. Widmore made the introductions. Those people you mentioned were not dead all along…but must have died in FSW along the way.

    How does that sound to you?[/quote]
    _______________________________________
    That sounds like incoherent gibberish. Try again.

  498. rich says:

    [quote comment=”375490″][quote comment=”375488″][/quote]
    _______________________________________
    Negative. This is not what Christian said. Desmond, Widmore, Miles, Lapidus, Charlotte, Daniel, etc., where never on 815 so how is it they were dead all along? The logic of that take is flawed. It’s not correct. You can’t prove me wrong. In fact, the show states proof to the contrary. Please, everyone just stop saying they were dead from the first crash.[/quote]

    Seems to me you are stuck in your own timeframe. That entire group you just mentioned are connected to Widmore in some fashion, and came to the island independantly. The show isn’t about the ‘extras’, it’s about the Oceanic 815’ers. These characters all had flaws/gifts that the Oceanic 815’ers needed to know/have in order to make the connection to their constants/partners. Widmore made the introductions. Those people you mentioned were not dead all along…but must have died in FSW along the way.

    How does that sound to you?[/quote]
    _______________________________________
    That sounds like incoherent gibberish. Try again.[/quote]

    That’s okay. I’m perfectly content in the explaination. I hope you find peace somewhere.

  499. Belle says:

    [quote comment=”375290″][quote comment=”375231″]So am I right in believing that the most vocal people are the negative nelly’s? I mean….I see some people on here who “got it” and “loved it”, but a lot of others just nitpicking and complaining.
    [/quote]

    Negative nelly? Come on. The emperor has no clothes. When you strip away the mysteries, which don’t make any sense, the plot is pretty juevenile. Jack versus Smokey. Desmond pulls the ‘rock plug’ out and Smokey become mortal again (which they copied from Superman 2), Jack kills Smokey, and Jack puts the ‘rock plug’ back. Sorry I’m not overwhelmed.
    Oh and after supposedly not being able to kill the Candidates then Smokey can kill Jack.

    Other mysteries … the temple, the spring of life, the infection (Claire & sayid), why sayid supposedly couldn’t let Flocke speak before stabbing him.[/quote]

    If I remember correctly J.J. Abrams, after reading an outline of the show, suggested adding MORE mysterious concepts to the island. I for one felt it was an excellent decision. I posted earlier that if we were given 6 seasons of Castaway, although an excellent movie, and/or Robinson Caruso it would’ve become boring. The characters and mysteries together made this a phenomenal show.

    Mother made it possible that Jacob and MIB couldn’t kill each other directly. Mother didn’t make that rule for Smokey and Jack. Each new Protector gets to make his/her own rules much like BIB told Jacob about the Senet game they were playing millenniums ago. Jack had little time to stop Flocke from getting off the island let alone make up some rules of his choosing.

    They copied Smokey becoming human again from Superman 2? And where did Superman 2 copy it from? All you have to do is read Greek and Roman mythology. People don’t have any beef with the powers of super heroes in comic books. How did THEY get that way? Is it believable or do people just accept it? I don’t see any difference with LOST.

    The Temple was built by the Egyptians hence the hieroglyphics. If you remember the picture with a carving of Smokey and an Egyptian, it shows the Egyptians worshiped the monster. In mythology weren’t most of the gods/goddesses worshiped and sacrifices made to them made out of fear? The Temple was a place of safety and refuge. Smokey lived under the Temple but couldn’t enter it until Jacob was killed. I don’t have a problem with the healing waters. I would imagine it was another unique property of the island. From what we were shown, the infection happens after an encounter with Smokey.

  500. Snaisy says:

    I think the ending was amazing! The island was the real time and the sideways world was also ‘real’ to the characters since their consciousness allowed them to create it as they wanted which is brilliant in my mind bc I do believe we are able to create our version of reality after we leave the body and enter the spirit world. They just didnt know they were creating it.

    All of the lost characters in the sideways world participated with one another at the soul level which is why things were pretty picture perfect for those who chose it that way in the sideways world. I think the island allowed the LOST characters to create their world as they saw fit and most of them chose fear. Perhaps they chose fear bc of how things were in their living life before they died and since they did not know how much power they had in creating their lives their time on the island was a bunch of suffering. Once they realized they could create their lives by their thoughts,they then created the sideways world. I think they all didnt realize they were dead until they ‘remembered’ the island. I think we saw it all from Jack’s point of view which is why everyone at the church was waiting for him… I think since there is no actual ‘time’ but NOW in the afterlife and so, that is why everyone was at the church together…even though they may have died at different earth times… Christian did say they all died sooner or later. I also think that their soul was ‘Lost’ until they were all ready to move on! Jacob and his bro were Lost longer than our LOST buddies and played by their ‘rules’ bc they were creating their own afterlife how they wanted to.

    In my mind, our LOST characters that were in the church are from the same soul group that incarnate together in order to help each other along their spiritual path towards evolution. For that reason, the people that were not in the church may not be part of the main soul group but from other soul groups and just participated during the Lost character’s lives anyway but didnt need to really show up at church bc they are from a different soul group. Because of all of this, I think the ending was amazing!

  501. brer says:

    [quote comment=”375277″]Is it really that obvious that the FSW was the afterlife? May be that’s the easiest term to attribute to it, but that’s not what I thought when Christian was telling Jack about it.

    I interpreted it to be another reality that really was set off when they exploded the bomb in 1977. I say this because when Juliet dies in Sawyer’s arms her subconsciousness travels to FSW where she sees a glimpse of her conversation with Sawyer at the vending machine. If FSW was in fact death, that means she saw both her and Sawyer in the afterlife, and in fact traveled there before she finally died when she told Sawyer that “it worked”. What worked? Them dying? I don’t think so. Likewise, Desmond told Jack when they were in the light cave that he could take them to a better place. I don’t think it makes much sense for him to say that he wants to take Jack to the afterlife.

    When Christian said that we all die at some point I believe that he was trying to say that death is not what’s important. What’s important is redemption. We will all die sooner or later, but what’s important is the peace we find along the way, and the people who have helped us get there. Their journey on the island helped them find peace through the adversity and trial, and the mysteries surrounding the island enhanced their faith. Jack indeed died on the island, but he lives in peace in his other life.[/quote]

    FINALLY, Ive been reading posts everywhere this morning after and everyone is talking about purgatory and the afterlife. I saw it much the same as you, this is just another reality, another world in another dimension where they have lives that never involved the island.. the awakening is them realizing this other life, everything they went through and the relationships they built, so in that way they all get their happy ending, no matter what happened in that reality this one is ok and now they have all their memories…

    anyone else see it this way?

  502. Phetsmar says:

    A theory about Walt and unanswered questions in general – maybe Walt is still special to the island. We don’t have answers about him now in the series finale and some people are disappointed, but perhaps he becomes relevant to the island again in the future. We only caught a glimpse of the island in a wacky, time-traveling 3 year sequence (right?)…or I guess 2000ish years technically, if you count Jacob/MIB/Mother time period. I am going to say Walt could go back to the island as an adult (out of curiosity perhaps, or destiny, or eloise, or hurley, who knows), hurley and ben will recognize him and dub him the new protector…it could happen :)

    I personally think that is what is great about this finale…the cycle of the island continues, thanks to Jack for re-corking the wine bottle. We don’t need all the answers now because they won’t necesarily be revealed until later in island/real time, if ever. And since the show is over, we the viewers will never know but continue to theorize and contemplate…

    I’m satisfied.

  503. brer says:

    just wanted to share. I enjoyed crying to the episode and this music even with 12 people over, looking forward to watching it with just my partner and I. watch out for the waterworks, I’m sad.. not completely thrilled with so many plot holes but all in all I have to accept it for what it is. Its been a great ride.

  504. Lostcols says:

    To say there wasn’t an ending to the series is ridiculous. It just wasn’t the ending you decided it should be, which shouldn’t surprise anyone. I was hoping the FSW was the real ending to their life, but I’m not disappointed. Before the finale, some people thought that the island was hell or made up. This ending was better than that. I think too many people here wanted all the answers or some crazy farfetched ending because there were so many unique stories to Lost. But, if it was a farfetched ending, then a lot of people would be complaining “that would never happen”. Look at all the people who up until the finale didn’t believe Smokie was the MIB. They thought they were different people/entities and even though it was obvious, many couldn’t believe that it was that straightforward. But in yesterday’s special, the producers stated that MIB could take the form of his previous life, Christian or the smoke.
    I think the entire series was fabulous. Yes, we didn’t learn all the secrets to the island, but I don’t care. In the end, I just wanted to know if and how they got off the island. We know several people got off the island, several stayed, and the others died. We know the island really existed. It would have been great to have a couple more seasons to explain all the oddities about the island, but if the show was really about the characters then it doesn’t matter.

  505. TanziTwo says:

    [quote comment=”375486″]
    Desmond, Widmore, Miles, Lapidus, Charlotte, Daniel, etc., were never on 815 so how is it they were dead all along?
    [/quote]
    Actually, they did show that Desmond was on 815. They showed it this season. They just didn’t show it in season one. He was in the nose section. Lapidus may have been there too, as the pilot we did not see.

  506. Bobola says:

    [quote comment=”375455″][quote comment=”375369″]
    ..they should have panned the camera down to the Church basement and there below were all the bad people from LOST having their own little party… just the opposite to the Hallmark card events going on upstairs. Keamy and Patchy and Sun’s Dad…Jin’s Mom… could be drunk off their asses and grabbing some strippers ass…
    [/quote]
    (The basement has that super secret computer with the giant pendulum that tracks the island.)

    doh… Tina Fey-wannabe Zoe stripping for Widmore? Zoe stripping for Hawking? Zoe riding the giant pendulum while stripping.

    here she is pole dancing

    http://www.sfactor.com/sheila_kelleys_workout/about_sheilasstory.asp%5B/quote%5D

    Very funny…yeah, I’d hire you for an episode and see if you continue with the good ideas..ha.
    She sure was an underultized character!
    And Widmore! He dies way too easily. What a waste.

  507. Mike says:

    [quote comment=”375316″][quote comment=”375193″]So yes, they were making it up as they went along. There was no resolution planned as they strung out the mysteries. But of all the TV series that end with an abstract “God did it” sort of ending, I have to say that this is the best I’ve seen. The producers don’t deserve a pat on the back though. They could have easily made a story equally moving with an actual resolution, they just couldn’t be bothered.[/quote]
    You’ve completely missed the mark. Only thing that was completely known from the start was a general outline of the major pieces of the story. You’re taking it to literally to think that they meant every detail was planned out. It’s impossible to avoid unforeseeable circumstances during a 6 year production that cause you to deviate somewhat here or there. Walt is a prime example.[/quote]

    Every detail? Try any detail. The mysteries were written purely to titillate with no intention at all of resolving things. Having a final image in mind (Jack dying and closing his eye) is not story – its an image. Nothing of consequence was ever explained. Now, you can decide that the producers were being very abstract and deeply philosophical, leaving things open to the observer’s interpretation, or, more likely, they were just interested in selling commercials and keeping the audience with “really cool stuff” while promising to tell us a story.
    Jimmy Kimmel said that complainers have missed the point of the show. The point was the same as that of Jimmy’s show: to sell commercial time. We were promised a story. What we got was a shiny thing to keep our attention on the car commercials.

  508. Peggy Scheuerman says:

    How stupid an ending, and sooo disappointing!!!!!

  509. Peggy Scheuerman says:

    I can’t believe I wasted so much time on this stupid show. Hey someone, please come up with a real ending.

  510. Peggy Scheuerman says:

    This is worse than the 4400 ending without ending.

  511. ICDeadppl says:

    [quote comment=”375499″][quote comment=”375486″]
    Desmond, Widmore, Miles, Lapidus, Charlotte, Daniel, etc., were never on 815 so how is it they were dead all along?
    [/quote]
    Actually, they did show that Desmond was on 815. They showed it this season. They just didn’t show it in season one. He was in the nose section. Lapidus may have been there too, as the pilot we did not see.[/quote]

    What show were you watching?

  512. CharleneRay says:

    I feel sorry for the handful of you that did not understand the deep philosophical saga that was delivered to you over the last six seasons. Those of us that “got it” will explain it to you ever the coming weeks. We only ask one thing. Please don’t criticize, mock and quibble over that which you obviously did not understand. We will get to you in time. We will help you understand. No Losties Left Behind!

  513. Bill says:

    [quote comment=”375495″][quote comment=”375277″]Is it really that obvious that the FSW was the afterlife? May be that’s the easiest term to attribute to it, but that’s not what I thought when Christian was telling Jack about it.

    I interpreted it to be another reality that really was set off when they exploded the bomb in 1977. I say this because when Juliet dies in Sawyer’s arms her subconsciousness travels to FSW where she sees a glimpse of her conversation with Sawyer at the vending machine. If FSW was in fact death, that means she saw both her and Sawyer in the afterlife, and in fact traveled there before she finally died when she told Sawyer that “it worked”. What worked? Them dying? I don’t think so. Likewise, Desmond told Jack when they were in the light cave that he could take them to a better place. I don’t think it makes much sense for him to say that he wants to take Jack to the afterlife.

    When Christian said that we all die at some point I believe that he was trying to say that death is not what’s important. What’s important is redemption. We will all die sooner or later, but what’s important is the peace we find along the way, and the people who have helped us get there. Their journey on the island helped them find peace through the adversity and trial, and the mysteries surrounding the island enhanced their faith. Jack indeed died on the island, but he lives in peace in his other life.[/quote]

    FINALLY, Ive been reading posts everywhere this morning after and everyone is talking about purgatory and the afterlife. I saw it much the same as you, this is just another reality, another world in another dimension where they have lives that never involved the island.. the awakening is them realizing this other life, everything they went through and the relationships they built, so in that way they all get their happy ending, no matter what happened in that reality this one is ok and now they have all their memories…

    anyone else see it this way?[/quote]

    Not to argue… Just because Christian says it is real doesn’t mean it isnt a part of afterlife. I think the only thing left absolutely clear was that the alternate reality was a part of afterlife, Jack starts to cry realizing his own death. They all created this in death because, just as in real life on the island, they all needed each other to move on. This afterlife/reality is atemporal so each character experiences it following their own death. I think they created this place as a reminder that none of them would have been redeemed without the aid of their fellow losties and so they created a place that imitated a reality in which they island never happened. Juliette saying “it worked” (as well as Jack not realizing he is dead right away and all of the flash memories of the island life in the alternate existence) might indicate that in this alternate plane of existence, each character must be awakened, awakened to come to the realization that such a life is a farce compared to the real experiences they had on the island. Through these experiences the characters found redemption, profound meaning and true comradeship; in short I think the alternate reality was used merely to illustrate that the characters would have been wrong in trying to erase their experiences of the island, this is best shown through them remembering and then immediately resuming their affairs (ben’s apology to Locke, the love lifes, hurley and ben talking about the island).

    this is just how i see it

  514. Mateo says:

    Doc Jensen finished part 1 of 2 of the recap!!

    http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20313460_20387946,00.html

  515. The Doors says:

    anyone wanna share their top ten episode list? here’s mine (feel free to stone me for number 4):

    1. the constant
    2. the economist
    3. the incident
    4. the end
    5. through the looking glass
    6. the shape of things to come
    7. ab eterno
    8. the variable
    9. the substitute
    10. the man from tallahassee

  516. Bill says:

    Any thought on ben not moving on?

    Is he not ready to let go of his guilt? Does he need to wait for Alex to die and forgive him? Would she ever forgive him? Is Alex stuck on the island as a whispering ghost or is that only for souls in a state of unrest? Does Ben have a soul mate (it would seemingly be Hurley in the form of redemption, but this obviously wasnt enough)?

    so many questions! It was probably just meant to indicate purgatory, boring..

    I want them to write a book or do a podcast or something just to try and tie up the million loose ends

  517. David Roche says:

    I’m pissed they left way to much on the table, I will never watch any CRAP the these creator make again

  518. 2Lost says:

    The Losties Did NOT die in the crash there are quite a few examples but a easy one is the only place Locke was allowed to be killed was off the island Ben shot Locke three times and threw in the Darhma grave. Without any success. As for the ending we all wanted our Losties back together we got it Its the love for each other that brought this group their Happiness Thank you for a great six years

  519. Bobola says:

    [quote comment=”375447″][/quote]
    I disagree w/ Rose and Bernard’s scene being pointless. Rose told Desmond that he has to leave because they already broke the rules by helping him and that they promised to not intervene. That let us know that they have been talking to someone who knows the rules. It also let us know that they have had this figured out for quite some time now which makes sense because their love has always been there. Rose also said something about time which is similar to what Christian told Jack. Rose told Sawyer however many episodes ago… that they are trying so hard to get back to a life that they were unhappy w/ anyway.[/quote]

    Well, I DID make an error in my post;
    It was Desmond not Jack who insisted on MIB leaving Rose and Bernie alone… but same point; you’re gonna take the word of a Smoke Monster who seems to kill for fun.
    I just don’t see any benefit from the scene;
    Rules, Smules…
    who made these stupid rules?
    And it wasn’t RULES that Rose agreed to with MIB it was just a mutual Pact…which in the end ROSE broke anyway…and got caught.
    So; Rules, Smules!

    Ok, I have to say something positive too;
    Some of the photography was awesome all throughout the show and even in the Finale.
    The shots at the fight on the cliff with Jack and fLocke were great and other places as well.
    The Light pool looked a little cheesy like a cheap Raiders of the Lost Ark scene…

    And Hugo; that boy ‘aint NEVER going to get Laid now.
    His poor Mama!

    Snaisy wrote;
    “In my mind, our LOST characters that were in the church are from the same soul group that incarnate together in order to help each other along their spiritual path towards evolution.”

    Sounds like a lot of Mumbo Jumbo talk to me.
    To quote Frank Zappa;
    “Who you jivin’ with that Cosmik Debris?”
    Well, some people would rather listen to Barry Manilow (gag) and some people like Miles Davis (yes!).
    Erik Satie; “What do you want, Art or groceries”.

    Someone wrote;
    “could they not have one gay person on this show in six years?”
    I mentioned that to my friend while viewing.
    And maybe have a Gay person who isn’t a Hot Babe like they often do…someone annoying and NOT lovable.
    With the sleeveless shirt all that eyeliner I was starting to think Charley…

    Laura Android;
    “classy and beautiful ”
    is Horrible and boring to others.
    Picasso said it best; Good taste is the enemy of Art.
    Well, some people like pretty pictures and some people like art.

    Look, counter-Complainers; we are not bitching because the show “didn’t end like we wanted”….blah blah blah…
    We (myself for sure) are complaining because the show was so damn brilliant in places but fell apart at the end just like Twin Peaks did.
    No end Game. I’m 100% sure the writers had no end in sight when the show started…and never came up with one. And why did they really have to? They get the same amount of money either way. Sorry but I’m cynical about ti.
    And damn it, I gave the show several years, I have a right to bitch some. I give the show it’s kudos but now it’s time for some Judo.

    And some shameless self promotion since people are adding all sorts of attachments here;
    bobgilesart.com

    Look me up LOST brothers and sisters.

  520. wingman says:

    Revised my earlier final thoughts after watching the ep again…

    The flash-sideways were sort of a purgatory for lost and tortured souls…As is the life of ghosts, they don’t remember shit and walk throughout their dream-world just living…

    It took dead Desmond traveling to this otherside to help kick-start the awakening of these souls to move-on together by remembering their tortured experiences together…If they hadn’t they probably would have just been trapped in that state…Like a cycle…

    Showing Jack at the end in the same state to witch he came to the island and flashed to the island illustrates this cycle…

    Given the island’s power to transcend time you can be already dead in off-island reality yet your afterlife can already be taking place (Hence Desmond being able to commune with his dead self)…So the island is a place where you can connect to the otherside because of the “special Properties”…

    You gotta kinda think that since the island is the mid-point of these realities, when exposed to these phenomenons you (mentally) can exhibit a commune with your otherself…The whispers get trapped on this place because the island shares a part of this “Dead-Reality”…Juliet detonating the bomb so close to the island’s power source in retrospect appears to have created a tear between the afterlife and current island time sentencing our Losties there…

    This whole show was basically about some LOST souls finding a way to break the cycle and “Move-on”….What we saw (As in the the ENTIRE effin show!!) was the storyline of their journey that would make-up the things that awoke them in the sideways…

    Please someone discuss so I can be at peace with this explanation…

  521. Michael says:

    [quote comment=”375102″]The ending is this. What happened on the island was REAL WORLD. Everyone who died on the island died in REAL WOLD…As for what the island was, they didn’t really explain it.[/quote]

    Thank you, Lendorien. You’re apparently the only other person in the world who didn’t take a bathroom break during Christian Shepherd’s speech in the church. He really couldn’t have said it more plainly. The producers have also said it. The Island is not purgatory, and they didn’t die in the crash. They died at various other times, some on the Island, some after leaving it. THEN they all ended up in the sideways world.

    There are lots of remaining questions, but the Island’s reality is not one of them.

  522. bolddeceiver says:

    To those that say they were dead the whole time you are wrong. That said I would’ve been much happier with the ending if that was the case. These character stories were average at best. I only cared about them because they tied into the island mythology. To find out that the island was nothing more than a cheap vehicle for the character development sucks. They could have gotten the same changes in the characters if they were locked in a haunted amusement park. Very sad about the ending. Sorry but I’ve seen much better character studies than this.(think Six Feet Under) In my opinion they could have been a weak char. study or an awesome sci-fi. Unfortunately they went for the former.

  523. brer says:

    [quote comment=”375507″][quote comment=”375495″][quote comment=”375277″]Is it really that obvious that the FSW was the afterlife? May be that’s the easiest term to attribute to it, but that’s not what I thought when Christian was telling Jack about it.

    I interpreted it to be another reality that really was set off when they exploded the bomb in 1977. I say this because when Juliet dies in Sawyer’s arms her subconsciousness travels to FSW where she sees a glimpse of her conversation with Sawyer at the vending machine. If FSW was in fact death, that means she saw both her and Sawyer in the afterlife, and in fact traveled there before she finally died when she told Sawyer that “it worked”. What worked? Them dying? I don’t think so. Likewise, Desmond told Jack when they were in the light cave that he could take them to a better place. I don’t think it makes much sense for him to say that he wants to take Jack to the afterlife.

    When Christian said that we all die at some point I believe that he was trying to say that death is not what’s important. What’s important is redemption. We will all die sooner or later, but what’s important is the peace we find along the way, and the people who have helped us get there. Their journey on the island helped them find peace through the adversity and trial, and the mysteries surrounding the island enhanced their faith. Jack indeed died on the island, but he lives in peace in his other life.[/quote]

    FINALLY, Ive been reading posts everywhere this morning after and everyone is talking about purgatory and the afterlife. I saw it much the same as you, this is just another reality, another world in another dimension where they have lives that never involved the island.. the awakening is them realizing this other life, everything they went through and the relationships they built, so in that way they all get their happy ending, no matter what happened in that reality this one is ok and now they have all their memories…

    anyone else see it this way?[/quote]

    Not to argue… Just because Christian says it is real doesn’t mean it isnt a part of afterlife. I think the only thing left absolutely clear was that the alternate reality was a part of afterlife, Jack starts to cry realizing his own death. They all created this in death because, just as in real life on the island, they all needed each other to move on. This afterlife/reality is atemporal so each character experiences it following their own death. I think they created this place as a reminder that none of them would have been redeemed without the aid of their fellow losties and so they created a place that imitated a reality in which they island never happened. Juliette saying “it worked” (as well as Jack not realizing he is dead right away and all of the flash memories of the island life in the alternate existence) might indicate that in this alternate plane of existence, each character must be awakened, awakened to come to the realization that such a life is a farce compared to the real experiences they had on the island. Through these experiences the characters found redemption, profound meaning and true comradeship; in short I think the alternate reality was used merely to illustrate that the characters would have been wrong in trying to erase their experiences of the island, this is best shown through them remembering and then immediately resuming their affairs (ben’s apology to Locke, the love lifes, hurley and ben talking about the island).

    this is just how i see it[/quote]

    I appreciate your response. I just think it’s stupid, not you just the whole idea. I would have been way more satisfied with it being an alternate reality. I agree with everything about the characters needing to remember these experiences I just hate the hokie idea of this being some place between heaven and hell. I always knew I would be pissed if they went the religious route its too easy and a cop out. Saying that, I loved and was moved by everyones epiphanies. I just think it would have been truer to the story to have it be an alternate dimension/universe where they all got to live the lives they hadn’t been able to without the island and what they went through and with these collective memories they get to have the life they always wanted and still share in everything they had been through. Way better ending IMHO. I’ll watch it again but may choose to see it that way.. Its lost after all, I think we can take what we want from it =)

  524. brer says:

    [quote comment=”375515″][quote comment=”375102″]The ending is this. What happened on the island was REAL WORLD. Everyone who died on the island died in REAL WOLD…As for what the island was, they didn’t really explain it.[/quote]

    Thank you, Lendorien. You’re apparently the only other person in the world who didn’t take a bathroom break during Christian Shepherd’s speech in the church. He really couldn’t have said it more plainly. The producers have also said it. The Island is not purgatory, and they didn’t die in the crash. They died at various other times, some on the Island, some after leaving it. THEN they all ended up in the sideways world.

    There are lots of remaining questions, but the Island’s reality is not one of them.[/quote]

    can I also say thank you? this is exactly how I feel

  525. krackie says:

    Loved [quote comment=”375341″]To all of those who are upset with the way the show ended, I ask one question…Why? Has LOST ever been a show about answers? It has always been a show about love, redemption, and coming to terms with their own demons.

    I have seen many posts that are still asking some of the same questions. What are the numbers? A coinsidence. They were the numbers given to candidates, that also happend to show up EVERYWHERE. The reason being…Because. Is that a good answer? It’s neither good or bad. It is what it is. Walt left the island and is having a better life for it. Move on! The FSW was limbo, the rest of the story was real. That is a given. The shoe at the end show us that it was real. That is why they made the effort to show it (and the wreckedge is just a backdrop for the credits as many have stated previously). All the time traveling, DHARMA, smoke monster, etc…where essential to get the characters to the place they needed to be. Why do we need an explanation? Can we really time travel? No. So how can we really explain it?

    I think this was the best ending the show could have had. How could we admire D&C if they just gave us a list of explanations. I love the idea of interpretation. It lets us connect with the characters in a more personal way. We all loved the show, otherwise we would not be on this blog. To all you nitpickers, go rewatch all the seasons. While we loved the Sci-fi mystery, it was the writing and the characters that brought it to life. I for one am a fan of how this ended.[/quote]

    EXACTLY! I’m glad the more sci-fi detail-obsessed fans didn’t get what they wanted. The mysteries were fun and kept the momentum of the show going, but you’d have to be kinda delusional to think that you’d be satisfied with ANY answers given. This was a TV show, not literature or a movie where you have a clearly defined start and end. This show could’ve been canceled at any point and I think the writers did an excellent job of tying things together while entertaining the audience….if they hadn’t, most of you wouldn’t be so dissapointed.

  526. wingman says:

    @krackie – dude that’s a really selfish post…I’m certainly not a hater or a Jacob Kool-aid drinker, but as someone who stands in the middle I find it disrespectful to blow off so many people who were TRAINED to watch this show a certain way and didn’t get a payoff…D&C TRAINED the audience to watch LOST in a certain way which meant examining even the most minuscule detail (The picture frames changing on the staircase wall during Miles first ghost-vacuuming flashbacks comes to mind)…I could never be glad that half a fanbase who were trained to watch the show a certain way found out all their efforts were futile…

  527. Belle says:

    [quote comment=”375471″][quote comment=”375466″]
    I don’t believe in Purgatory, no offense to anyone that does. I believe in the afterlife (Heaven and Hell) but the FSW WAS NOT PURGATORY. Purgatory is supposed to be a place of temporary punishment or paying for your sins after death. The characters were not being punished. We saw our LOSTIES grow into better people and change their lives due to their experiences on the island.[/quote]
    I agree it was not THE PURGATORY, but I think it was LIKE purgatory.

    BTW, temporal punishment…not necessarily temporary punishment.

    http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12575a.htm%5B/quote%5D

    I purposely wrote temporary because the meaning is the same and I’m sure some people don’t know or care to look up the meaning of temporal. Usually we are on the same wavelength but this can’t be any kind of Purgatory since there is no punishment involved.

  528. meathead530 says:

    I hope they show the finale again with the pop ups that explain everything.

  529. krackie says:

    [quote comment=”375487″]Absolutely loved the ending… Why should anyone think that all of the mysteries and every little detail of the Island would be resolved. If we take for granted that Jack’s character is the “eye” through which the show was shown, from his perspective, he only knows what he finds out to be true. It is his transformation from a broken, “lost”, faithless soul, searching for meaning in his life, and the people and situations along the way, that shape and mold who he ultimately becomes. He doesn’t have the luxury of time to unravel all of the mysteries, he just has to take a leap of faith that it is all real, he has a purpose in life, and this is it, and just do it. What greater purpose can a character in a story have than to be purposed with the fate that he has found himself to be in, that being the unique position of being THE ONE that gets to save the world, and every one he loves and cares for. Answering all of the questions would be a nice prologue to the story, but not necessary for our hero to have his destiny fulfilled. Jack never got all of the answers… so neither will we…

    After all, what we are ultimately asking for is for someone to reveal to us the secrets of our own existence. We don’t get to have those answers until our own final moment, and we close our eyes on this existence… and open them on the other side…[/quote]

    this is exactly how I feel about the show. it tackled the biggest mystery of them all and was never a show about people lost on an island for me. I watched to find out why these people were connected together by all these weird coincidences…and to see Sayid scissor kick people. the producers can’t ever answer questions for anyone because these are eternal questions. It sounds like people wanted this show to be a physics lesson judging by these “questions”. I totally understood the message the show wanted to get across and it’s funny how those that don’t are in many ways like the people in the FSW that weren’t ready to go inside the church yet.

  530. brer says:

    [quote comment=”375523″][quote comment=”375487″]Absolutely loved the ending… Why should anyone think that all of the mysteries and every little detail of the Island would be resolved. If we take for granted that Jack’s character is the “eye” through which the show was shown, from his perspective, he only knows what he finds out to be true. It is his transformation from a broken, “lost”, faithless soul, searching for meaning in his life, and the people and situations along the way, that shape and mold who he ultimately becomes. He doesn’t have the luxury of time to unravel all of the mysteries, he just has to take a leap of faith that it is all real, he has a purpose in life, and this is it, and just do it. What greater purpose can a character in a story have than to be purposed with the fate that he has found himself to be in, that being the unique position of being THE ONE that gets to save the world, and every one he loves and cares for. Answering all of the questions would be a nice prologue to the story, but not necessary for our hero to have his destiny fulfilled. Jack never got all of the answers… so neither will we…

    After all, what we are ultimately asking for is for someone to reveal to us the secrets of our own existence. We don’t get to have those answers until our own final moment, and we close our eyes on this existence… and open them on the other side…[/quote]

    this is exactly how I feel about the show. it tackled the biggest mystery of them all and was never a show about people lost on an island for me. I watched to find out why these people were connected together by all these weird coincidences…and to see Sayid scissor kick people. the producers can’t ever answer questions for anyone because these are eternal questions. It sounds like people wanted this show to be a physics lesson judging by these “questions”. I totally understood the message the show wanted to get across and it’s funny how those that don’t are in many ways like the people in the FSW that weren’t ready to go inside the church yet.[/quote]

    because we aren’t religious? I get the point and idea, its just that we were lead to believe it was so much more than some spiritual experience

  531. krackie says:

    [quote comment=”375520″]@krackie – dude that’s a really selfish post…I’m certainly not a hater or a Jacob Kool-aid drinker, but as someone who stands in the middle I find it disrespectful to blow off so many people who were TRAINED to watch this show a certain way and didn’t get a payoff…D&C TRAINED the audience to watch LOST in a certain way which meant examining even the most minuscule detail (The picture frames changing on the staircase wall during Miles first ghost-vacuuming flashbacks comes to mind)…I could never be glad that half a fanbase who were trained to watch the show a certain way found out all their efforts were futile…[/quote]

    I think it’s selfish to say this show wasted years of your life and be so snarky about the ending when D&C gave you 6 years of unforgettable entertainment. As for “being trained” to watch this a certain way…if they hadn’t included all the little gimmicks to keep you watching, the show would’ve been canceled season 2 at best. The process of watching/discussing LOST was an amazing experience and to allow some pretty irrelevant unanswered questions to spoil that is weird to me. It’s like fretting over a pen you lost at 7yo on your deathbed. Gotta look at the bigger picture.

  532. wingman says:

    Officially:

    Purgatory is the condition OR process of purification OR temporary punishment…

    The word “purgatory”, derived through Anglo-Norman and Old French from the Latin word purgatorium.[8]HAS COME TO REFER ALSO TO A WIDE RANGE of historical and modern conceptions of postmortem suffering short of everlasting damnation,[1] and is used, in a NON-SPECIFIC SENSE, to mean any place or condition of suffering or torment, especially one that is temporary…

    In conclusion, BY DEFINITION the flashsideways can indeed be called purgatory, because purgatory doesn’t just mean the one anglo-saxon catholic definition…

  533. krackie says:

    [quote comment=”375524″][quote comment=”375523″][quote comment=”375487″]Absolutely loved the ending… Why should anyone think that all of the mysteries and every little detail of the Island would be resolved. If we take for granted that Jack’s character is the “eye” through which the show was shown, from his perspective, he only knows what he finds out to be true. It is his transformation from a broken, “lost”, faithless soul, searching for meaning in his life, and the people and situations along the way, that shape and mold who he ultimately becomes. He doesn’t have the luxury of time to unravel all of the mysteries, he just has to take a leap of faith that it is all real, he has a purpose in life, and this is it, and just do it. What greater purpose can a character in a story have than to be purposed with the fate that he has found himself to be in, that being the unique position of being THE ONE that gets to save the world, and every one he loves and cares for. Answering all of the questions would be a nice prologue to the story, but not necessary for our hero to have his destiny fulfilled. Jack never got all of the answers… so neither will we…

    After all, what we are ultimately asking for is for someone to reveal to us the secrets of our own existence. We don’t get to have those answers until our own final moment, and we close our eyes on this existence… and open them on the other side…[/quote]

    this is exactly how I feel about the show. it tackled the biggest mystery of them all and was never a show about people lost on an island for me. I watched to find out why these people were connected together by all these weird coincidences…and to see Sayid scissor kick people. the producers can’t ever answer questions for anyone because these are eternal questions. It sounds like people wanted this show to be a physics lesson judging by these “questions”. I totally understood the message the show wanted to get across and it’s funny how those that don’t are in many ways like the people in the FSW that weren’t ready to go inside the church yet.[/quote]

    because we aren’t religious? I get the point and idea, its just that we were lead to believe it was so much more than some spiritual experience[/quote]

    I’m not religeous AT ALL, so don’t paint me that way please. You weren’t led to believe anything other than the fact that there was something going on that wasn’t visible to the naked eye. You chose to focus on whatever aspect of the show you chose to focus on.

  534. way_lost says:

    [quote comment=”375519″]Loved [quote comment=”375341″]To all of those who are upset with the way the show ended, I ask one question…Why? Has LOST ever been a show about answers? It has always been a show about love, redemption, and coming to terms with their own demons.

    I have seen many posts that are still asking some of the same questions. What are the numbers? A coinsidence. They were the numbers given to candidates, that also happend to show up EVERYWHERE. The reason being…Because. Is that a good answer? It’s neither good or bad. It is what it is. Walt left the island and is having a better life for it. Move on! The FSW was limbo, the rest of the story was real. That is a given. The shoe at the end show us that it was real. That is why they made the effort to show it (and the wreckedge is just a backdrop for the credits as many have stated previously). All the time traveling, DHARMA, smoke monster, etc…where essential to get the characters to the place they needed to be. Why do we need an explanation? Can we really time travel? No. So how can we really explain it?

    I think this was the best ending the show could have had. How could we admire D&C if they just gave us a list of explanations. I love the idea of interpretation. It lets us connect with the characters in a more personal way. We all loved the show, otherwise we would not be on this blog. To all you nitpickers, go rewatch all the seasons. While we loved the Sci-fi mystery, it was the writing and the characters that brought it to life. I for one am a fan of how this ended.[/quote]

    EXACTLY! I’m glad the more sci-fi detail-obsessed fans didn’t get what they wanted. The mysteries were fun and kept the momentum of the show going, but you’d have to be kinda delusional to think that you’d be satisfied with ANY answers given. This was a TV show, not literature or a movie where you have a clearly defined start and end. This show could’ve been canceled at any point and I think the writers did an excellent job of tying things together while entertaining the audience….if they hadn’t, most of you wouldn’t be so dissapointed.[/quote]
    I don’t get you guys. So at the end of “The Sixth Sense” and “Jacob’s Ladder” for instance, were you disappointed that you got it right at the end. That nice kinda “oh shit” surprise just doesn’t do it for you. I’m assuming you would actually prefer a bunch of Walt and Claire character development that leads right to a brick wall? What kind of skill or talent does it take to start a bunch or interesting beginnings and then not have some kind of “oh shit” ending. Season one had very specific developments: child birth on the Island, Walt, the numbers, and let’s not forget Claire raising Aaron by herself. I got robbed out of my “oh shit” moment. Why is it wrong to be pissed about that? Okay, us sci-fi guys didn’t get our way because the MYSTERY had no real resolution.

  535. Smokie's brotha says:

    [quote comment=”375499″][quote comment=”375486″]
    Desmond, Widmore, Miles, Lapidus, Charlotte, Daniel, etc., were never on 815 so how is it they were dead all along?
    [/quote]
    Actually, they did show that Desmond was on 815. They showed it this season. They just didn’t show it in season one. He was in the nose section. Lapidus may have been there too, as the pilot we did not see.[/quote]
    Yeah man… I totally saw Desmond on the plane…

  536. Belle says:

    [quote comment=”375474″]

    6. Here’s a quote:
    “The difference between reality and fiction? Fiction has to make sense.” Tom Clancy

    Not sure how that applies to LOST, but what the heck.

    Peace out, folks![/quote]

    What!? Alice in Wonderland, Wizard of Oz, Rip van Winkle, The Legend of Sleepy Hollow etc.. don’t make sense? Just kidding. That’s a good one from Tom Clancy. Great author BTW.

  537. brer says:

    [quote comment=”375527″][quote comment=”375524″][quote comment=”375523″][quote comment=”375487″]Absolutely loved the ending… Why should anyone think that all of the mysteries and every little detail of the Island would be resolved. If we take for granted that Jack’s character is the “eye” through which the show was shown, from his perspective, he only knows what he finds out to be true. It is his transformation from a broken, “lost”, faithless soul, searching for meaning in his life, and the people and situations along the way, that shape and mold who he ultimately becomes. He doesn’t have the luxury of time to unravel all of the mysteries, he just has to take a leap of faith that it is all real, he has a purpose in life, and this is it, and just do it. What greater purpose can a character in a story have than to be purposed with the fate that he has found himself to be in, that being the unique position of being THE ONE that gets to save the world, and every one he loves and cares for. Answering all of the questions would be a nice prologue to the story, but not necessary for our hero to have his destiny fulfilled. Jack never got all of the answers… so neither will we…

    After all, what we are ultimately asking for is for someone to reveal to us the secrets of our own existence. We don’t get to have those answers until our own final moment, and we close our eyes on this existence… and open them on the other side…[/quote]

    this is exactly how I feel about the show. it tackled the biggest mystery of them all and was never a show about people lost on an island for me. I watched to find out why these people were connected together by all these weird coincidences…and to see Sayid scissor kick people. the producers can’t ever answer questions for anyone because these are eternal questions. It sounds like people wanted this show to be a physics lesson judging by these “questions”. I totally understood the message the show wanted to get across and it’s funny how those that don’t are in many ways like the people in the FSW that weren’t ready to go inside the church yet.[/quote]

    because we aren’t religious? I get the point and idea, its just that we were lead to believe it was so much more than some spiritual experience[/quote]

    I’m not religeous AT ALL, so don’t paint me that way please. You weren’t led to believe anything other than the fact that there was something going on that wasn’t visible to the naked eye. You chose to focus on whatever aspect of the show you chose to focus on.[/quote]

    I apologize if you thought I was calling you religious. I was merely saying that the ending was very fantasy based, like religion. I’m not saying I didn’t enjoy it I’m just saying I think it was a bit weak in the context of the show. thats not whole heartedly dissing it I’m just pointing out what I see as a flaw or cop out. I wanted a bit more than a story about redemption.

  538. wingman says:

    @krackie – To some people YOUR “bigger picture” is a “smaller picture”….Look I enjoyed the hell outta the finale and as a self-contained episode in a self-contained season it was brilliant (shit I’m embarrassed to say i almost lost it like 3 times, especially during the Hurley scenes), but if you extrapolate it verses the entire series as a whole i understand the backlash…

    The finale was soooooo emotionally gratifying that it is easy to lose sight of things, but when the episode ends and you have time to reflect over 6 years of a great or potentially great program the loose threads matter…Like Jack said “It all matters!!” but to some, it was like so much didn’t matter and if you cared about that stuff more than the emotionally-charged stuff you felt played…

  539. way_lost says:

    [quote comment=”375532″]@krackie – To some people YOUR “bigger picture” is a “smaller picture”….Look I enjoyed the hell outta the finale and as a self-contained episode in a self-contained season it was brilliant (shit I’m embarrassed to say i almost lost it like 3 times, especially during the Hurley scenes), but if you extrapolate it verses the entire series as a whole i understand the backlash…

    The finale was soooooo emotionally gratifying that it is easy to lose sight of things, but when the episode ends and you have time to reflect over 6 years of a great or potentially great program the loose threads matter…Like Jack said “It all matters!!” but to some, it was like so much didn’t matter and if you cared about that stuff more than the emotionally-charged stuff you felt played…[/quote]
    Perfect…

  540. brer says:

    [quote comment=”375533″][quote comment=”375532″]@krackie – To some people YOUR “bigger picture” is a “smaller picture”….Look I enjoyed the hell outta the finale and as a self-contained episode in a self-contained season it was brilliant (shit I’m embarrassed to say i almost lost it like 3 times, especially during the Hurley scenes), but if you extrapolate it verses the entire series as a whole i understand the backlash…

    The finale was soooooo emotionally gratifying that it is easy to lose sight of things, but when the episode ends and you have time to reflect over 6 years of a great or potentially great program the loose threads matter…Like Jack said “It all matters!!” but to some, it was like so much didn’t matter and if you cared about that stuff more than the emotionally-charged stuff you felt played…[/quote]
    Perfect…[/quote]

    It was a very good episode emotionally, dont be shamed about tearing up. I cried more than once, I thought after six years I deserved it ;)

  541. RGS says:

    [quote comment=”375520″] I find it disrespectful to blow off so many people who were TRAINED to watch this show a certain way and didn’t get a payoff…D&C TRAINED the audience to watch LOST in a certain way which meant examining even the most minuscule detail …I could never be glad that half a fanbase who were trained to watch the show a certain way found out all their efforts were futile…[/quote]

    I agree with this wing. I also think of myself in the middle, but probably leaning toward the hate side, only because I dislike stories that attempt to leave everyone happy.

    Playing devil’s advocate regarding the island being the “real” world and not purgatory in the least, to support this people have stated, “D&C said so.” Well D&C said a lot of things some true some false. To me the consistent thing about LOST was all these converging theories that no one could prove…just like no one can prove that the island was the “real” world.

    Admittedly, I have not gone back to listen to what Christian said, but from my first go round, I did not think he was definitive about anything that he said. I will be pleasantly surprised if he is in fact definitive when I do listen to it again.

    In that “real” world supernatural stuff occurred, a human with god-like properties was present, even a shape shifting entity, yet in the FSW/Alt. Line/purgatory world, everything went according to the laws of nature, physics, etc. If people got shot–they died.

    For the first 5 years, this show was about creating a bond between the ‘survivors,’ so that they could move on in their ‘purgatory,’ because their purgatory required them to all realize that this survival period was the most important period of their lives in order for them to let go…this seems circular.

    Can we really accept that the show, after all they took us through, can be simplified as folks coming to grips with their bonds, letting go of issues, and moving on…a concept introduced in the latter half of the final season no less?

    My friend who enlightened me on the Rod Serling bit has also dropped this take.

    “Viewers, in this box (labeled Hutton) I have something that will entertain and astound you!” We viewers, examine the box a few times and say – “It sounds as if there is a big rock in this box.” D&C then say – “Inside this box is something you have never seen before and will never see again, we will reveal it after 6 years”

    For the next 6 years, they tell you stories of how the thing in this box can cure illness, can bring people back to life, can time travel, can turn into black smoke, etc. etc. etc.

    Then at the end of year 5, they reveal that there actually IS a character name James Hutton, and halfway thru year 6, they start telling you stories about igneous, sedimentary, metamorphic…objects. Soon they start spouting off sayings like – “A rolling stone gathers no moss”; “People who live in glass houses should not throw stones” and then, as your horror grows and grows, they finally reveal that, inside the box is in fact – A ROCK!”

  542. ninny says:

    It seemed to be alot like Titanic’s ending – she died later but they all came to meet her when she did die.

  543. loooooooooooost says:

    why can’t people just let us complain?!?!

    i’m glad everyone who enjoyed the ending did so, but for myself and others, i saw great stories unfold from season 1 – 5, with many mysteries/plots that captivated me from week to week, but the ending was just dull. it seemed like, okay, let’s create a happy ending in tribute to all the fans of the show, that’s what they would want. or some crap like that.

    instead, it left me thinking that many parts of the show had no meaning, no reason (to the way it ended). true, the characters made the show interesting, but so did the magical and mysterious island and what happened on it…..to have the show end off of it, was just a bit disappointing.

  544. wingman says:

    @RGS – The thing about LOST is Seasons 1-3 to a certain extent make sense and Seasons 4-6 to a certain extent makes sense, but Seasons 1-6 don’t make the same level of sense throughout, so the feel of the show in season 6 is like “Stranger in a Strange Land” (not literally^^)compared to something in Season 3 for instance, so the one CONSTANT^^ that has always made sense (s1-S6) is the emotional aspect of the series…And they played that up for all it’s worth in the finale…I’m not sure they could have cherrypicked anything else to go fullblast on other than the emotional journey…With that said, had they found a way to adequately incorporate the whole time-loop//time travel issues in relationship to the island I personally would have smiled more…But I know everyone had their “Great White Shark” and if it was the outrigger shooting or what the light was, or what exactly the island was, you felt played…

  545. Belle says:

    Even before last night’s episode it was absolutely clear that they were NOT all killed in the plane crash. We saw dead bodies AND people that were alive. How could anyone survive such a crash? They survived because they were brought to the island by Jacob for a reason, which we all know. Had it been anywhere else other than the island, they would have all died.

    Any comments made by the characters prior to the finale can all be explained. Jack told Kate in S1 “Three days ago
    we all died. (Not literally) Everybody gets a second chance here. The past doesn’t matter.” He said this because Kate wanted to tell him why she was in the Marshall’s custody and what she had done. None of it mattered, they were all in the same situation and needed to work together to survive.
    Richard thought he was dead and in Hell when he arrived on the island. Jacob convinced him otherwise. After Jacob was killed, Richard made similar comments about them all being dead and the island was Hell. The proverbial rug had been pulled out from under him and he felt his whole life had been meaningless. He was in shock and distraught. Later he came to his senses. They weren’t dead.
    Quite a few times Hurley said, “We are so dead.” He thought they were going to die not that they were already dead.

  546. Belle says:

    [quote comment=”375467″]I think Richard started aging once the candidate had been instated and Jacobs time is over. Once Jack drank the water Richard’s job was done. When the ashes were completely gone and Jack took over, another cycle begins…hence Richard goes back to what he was.[/quote]

    And Miles discovers Richard’s first gray hair. :)

  547. kiki says:

    [quote comment=”375159″]When you guys say the people that aren’t there havent died yet doesn’t make sense. Hurley would have lived longer than anyone being the “protector” of the island.[/quote]
    Jack had Hurley drink the “water”, but Jack didn’t mumble the words that Jacob & MIB’s “mom” and Jacob mumbled when Jacob drank the “water” and when Jack drank the “water”, so I believe that Hurley lived til a normal age and dies on the island beleiving that he was protecting it.

  548. Belle says:

    [quote comment=”375484″]The FSW they introduced this series was to throw us off of the real questions, that they never answered. Everybody is preocupied trying to figure out what the FSW means and the actual questions as were mentioned before never got answered.[/quote]

    I disagree. We allowed ourselves to believe and assumed the FSW was what would have happened if the plane never crashed. The writers didn’t deceive us. It was clever writing. What specific unanswered questions are you referring to?

  549. Mateo says:

    Random answers/Theories:

    1) Plane flying overhead when Jack is dying is the plan Lapidous is flying with Richard, Kate, etc.
    2) Walt and Aron may still be special, like someone mentioned before, maybe they one day rule the island or are important during the time Hurley & Ben run things.
    3) Everyone mentions the polar bears…. I always thought Darma was just testing time travel with larger mammals instead of rabbits (hence why Charlotte found a polar bear leash in the desert)
    4)LOST was for entertainment, not everything is to be answered. It is an adventure and some things are meant to be unsolved and mysterious, especially with the best piece of television in history.

  550. (not that) Miles says:

    Loved the finale, but still have questions:

    – So, what about all the fake people in the FSW construct, like David? What happens to them? Does it matter?

    – Widmore: good or bad?

    – Who made the statue on top of Jacob’s house? (I know it doesn’t matter, but I wanna know!)

    – What is Smokey’s name?

    – WTF was Eliose Hawkins talking to Desmond about at the concert? I guess she knew they were all dead? So, what was her point? Why does she care? Writer head-fake?

    – So, once ‘enlightened/compliant’ Desmond walked out of the electromagnetic machine, he knew everything would be OK because one day everyone would eventually die anyway and come together again in total happiness? Huh?

    – Did the plane at the end make it to safety? Or, was that the plane wreckage shown at the very end from that plane? D’oh!

    – If the plane did make it, does that mean Richard is still immortal? He wasn’t at the church at the end, so I guess so. Spin-off?

    – Why was the sunken-island shown at the beginning of the season? Writer head-fake?

  551. uhhaboutthat says:

    I wanted so badly to feel like I had after nearly all of the episodes had ended during the 6 previous seasons. That feeling of “THAT WAS TOTALLY AWESOME!” But the writers didn’t give it to me and I feel absolutely ripped off. What a pathetic sorry-assed ending to a terrific show. It was a cop-out if you ask me. Just like a previous post stated, wouldn’t it have been to sit there and watch the ending adding up all the little clues that were dropped to us during the countless hours of watching and rehashing every episode?!!! Sooooo many things could have been explained and they weren’t! WHY?!!!! I’m pissed. So much for owning the complete DVD set.

  552. Surfer_Girl says:

    [quote comment=”375417″]I don’t think its accurate to say certain characters aren’t there because they’re not dead yet. Everyone who could have possibly been in that church, WAS there. Time doesn’t exist in that world, you don’t wait around for people. Everyone was on the same time line in the FSW even though some died LONG before others (think Boone and Hurley). So I think it’s safe to say that if Walt could have been there, even if he died much later than any of the castaways, he would have been there just the same. Its just a question of how profound an effect that character had on the others’ lives. Walt and the other missing castaways probably had their own unique reunions, with other characters we’ve never met who affected their lives the most.

    It even makes sense that Aaron wasn’t there, I mean Claire was his mother yes, but if you think about it, Jack was the only one who was reunited with a parent.[/quote]

    I just watched the ending again. Baby Aaron was in the Church. Charlie was holding him and Shannon and Clair were looking at him. Perhaps they both died in childbirth…Who knows?? But he was there…….

  553. Belle says:

    [quote comment=”375483″][quote comment=”375481″]Saw this on another site, so I cut & paste it. I believe it’s a perfect summary.

    I believe that everyone died in the plane crash.
    Christian said it himself, time was irrellevent. Everyone died in the crash. The island was created for the “flawed” people to find some closure to prepare for the afterlife. They were alone and needed to show that they are ready to move on. The flash-sideways was created as a final way for those stuck in purgatory (the island) to move on. The island and the flash sideways were connected. What happened on the island was the internal struggle to be good and for the characters to “let go” so that in the flash sideways they may move on (scene in the church). Jack was the last to “let go” on the island (he died, the people escaped and he saved the island) thus allowing him in the sideways to move on to the light. As the characters “let go” they realized they were dead in the flash sideways. I feel as though The Man in Black was stuck on the island never proving that he was ready to leave. He became bitter and wanted to kill the person guiding him (jacob) along to the light. Jacob’s time was done and hurley inherited the guide position. Ultimately, the people needed each other to move on. Hence the names on the wall. The lost characters needed everyone “realized” to move to the light. So it was the job of the guide (jacob) to help them realize it. I will give jack as an example of this thoery. He needed to save the island. He saved the island and once that happened he died and realized that he was ready to move on. Hurley realized he was going to become the new guide. Every character had a goal on the island so once those were completed they were able to realized they were ready to move on. They made the connections and/or fixed relationships in death that they never could in life and then moved to a better place. To explain the people like penny and others who were not on the plane, was that time like christian said was irrellevent. Penny could have lived to be 100 and then died and when they finally realized they were dead, was transported back to the church to be with desmond. Making the connection with loved ones before moving on.

    in short, everyone needs to resolve something in death that wasn’t resolved in life. After that is resolved, then you are able to move on. Each path is different but in the end its the connections we made, or not made that help/hinder us. We are all connected and looking for closure. And thats the end…great ending…[/quote]

    What site did you find that on?[/quote]

    We have 6 seasons of evidence that they didn’t all die in the crash of 815. There were 324 passengers on the plane and most of them did die but not all. How do you explain away the dead bodies? So our LOSTIES are dead so I guess Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Sayid, Hurley, Locke, Michael, Walt, Sun, Jin, Claire, Charlie, Boone, Shannon, Rose, Bernard and the rest of the passengers are imagining all the other people on the island that didn’t die in THEIR plane crash? Ben, all the Others, Desmond, Daniel, Charlotte, Miles, Lapidus, Ilana, Keamy, Omar, Minkowski and everyone else that wasn’t on Flight 815 were all figments of the LOSTIES imagination as they lived as zombies on the island? Then a few of our dead LOST characters left the island and went home only to come back? Ben killed Locke again off the island since he had already died in the plane crash. Hurley could see and talk to dead people and none of them told him that HE was dead too and so were all his friends? And what about Miles? The whisperers like Michael decided to pull a fast one on Hurley and not tell him he was dead? Oh I know, it probably was against the rules right? And people say LOST is confusing! :P

    They were dead in the “FSW” story lines and in the church at the end. Whatever Christian said about time did not prove or mean they died in the crash and he never said they did. Time is irrelevant in death. You are no longer bound by your earthly body so time and space don’t matter. Everything we saw in the FSW could have happened in a nanosecond for each character.

    The island was created for the flawed people? Well that describes every person alive and that ever lived. No one is perfect, it’s called being human.

    The names on the wall had nothing to do with our characters needing each other to move on. They didn’t even know most of the people whose names were on the wall or in the Lighthouse.

    How can you fix a relationship when you’re DEAD? What does being alone have to do with being ready to move on? Every character had a goal on the island and once those were completed they were able to move on?
    What goal did Eko, Ana Lucia, Libby, Dr. Artz, the people at the Temple, Ilana, Boone, Shannon, Alex etc. complete before they were snuffed out? Yes a few of them were at the church but what goal did they complete?

    What happened on the island was the same as what happens in life. The trials and tribulations either make you better or bitter. The people we encounter and our relationships are what enrich our lives.

    Everyone needs to resolve something in death that wasn’t resolved in life and after that is resolved, you are able to move on? This wasn’t The Sixth Sense. The characters changed for the better BEFORE they died.

  554. Mateo says:

    By the way, I think Ben didn’t go in b/c of two possibilities:
    1) He awakened to all the bad things he did in his real life on and off the island and needed to contemplate and reflect on his sins.
    2) He wanted to spend some more time with Alex, even though the FSW isnt the real world, he wanted to just spend as much time as he could with the family life he probably always wanted…. much like Eloise who was scared Daniel was going with Desmond, she wanted to have her son with her as long as she could to hold on.

    Just my opinion, probably no one will read this far down the blog, never seen this many comments since the first season!

  555. cs says:

    I think Christian was as definitive as a character can be in LOST when he stated that everyone in the church was real and everything that happened to them was real. They did not die in the crash. What we saw on the show actually happened. Some died on the island before Jack, some died long after, presumably after living a long natural life.

    The most startling thing about the FSW world is that, in the end, it had nothing to do with the island. Apparently, according to the show, this form of purgatory is something all people pass through, regardless of their experiences. Technically any dramatic show on television could have used this concept and it would have been just as relevant to the actual plot. Not knocking it just an observation.

  556. did any of you guys catch the hilarious target ads that ran during the finale? I found one that was unaired and its even better hahahaha

  557. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment=”375499″][quote comment=”375486″]
    Desmond, Widmore, Miles, Lapidus, Charlotte, Daniel, etc., were never on 815 so how is it they were dead all along?
    [/quote]
    Actually, they did show that Desmond was on 815. They showed it this season. They just didn’t show it in season one. He was in the nose section. Lapidus may have been there too, as the pilot we did not see.[/quote]

    During season one, Desmond was on the island as flight 815 flew over the island; he wasn’t in the plane.

  558. G455 says:

    [quote comment=”375554″][quote comment=”375499″][quote comment=”375486″]
    Desmond, Widmore, Miles, Lapidus, Charlotte, Daniel, etc., were never on 815 so how is it they were dead all along?
    [/quote]
    Actually, they did show that Desmond was on 815. They showed it this season. They just didn’t show it in season one. He was in the nose section. Lapidus may have been there too, as the pilot we did not see.[/quote]

    During season one, Desmond was on the island as flight 815 flew over the island; he wasn’t in the plane.[/quote]

    Yes He was in the hatch already, hence why the plane crashed

  559. uhhaboutthat says:

    “Jack, you don’t have a son. You don’t have a son, JACK!” That was my goose bump moment…my WTF is going on moment. Share yours.

  560. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment=”375503″]
    Hey someone, please come up with a real ending.[/quote]
    Interesting idea. Why don’t you go first?

  561. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment=”375501″]
    Nothing of consequence was ever explained.
    [/quote]

    It’s very easy to make blanket statements as evidence for why you are unhappy with the show (not trying to single you out, Mike, you’re certainly not the only one doing this), but why don’t you try listing a few items that you think weren’t explained? Like CharleneRay said in comment 513 (although I think she was being sarcastic in some sense – my apologies if I’m wrong), maybe someone here can explain them for you.

  562. JSawyer says:

    Here is my theory:

    Oceanic 815 crashed and everyone died. The people who “died in the crash” and were not involved in the show went directly to heaven or hell. The island was a kind of matrix entirely constructed for the purpose of determining whether the survivors would go to heaven or hell. The presence of the other people (Widmore, Penny, Miles etc.) is irrelevant as they were just there to add to the saga of the survivors.

    I think the FSW was there as a sort of “holding room” for those survivors who died on the island as they all needed to move on together.

    All of the survivors were flawed individuals but were not “bad people” – the island was a second chance to prove their true nature. The final test of the island was to see whether the remaining survivors would do the correct thing and stop the MIB.

    Perhaps Michael was not in the last scene as he blew his second chance by betraying all his friends and as a result ended up in hell?

  563. JSawyer says:

    In short the entire thing was an elaborate test of character.

  564. Jess says:

    “The Great Divorce” by CS Lewis, I think that will play a huge part in explaining what ultimately happened. In that book people live in a purgatory-like world. One day a bus comes and takes them all to the outskirts of heaven where they were confronted by someone/something from their life. If they can let go of that person/thing and move on, they can go on to heaven and their whole life was leading them to heaven. If they cannot let go, then they return to purgatory/Hell and their whole life was leading them there.

    I think because of the trauma their souls went through on the island, they promised to meet up in the afterlife. And they couldn’t move on to heaven, together, until they all let go and accepted/forgave themselves for what happened in their lives. If you noticed, their sideways/purgatory lives were all constructed around what they wanted/clung to on the island. Jack gave himself a son so that he could be the father that he never had. Locke gave himself a relationship with his father and Helen, but also blamed himself for the lack of relationship. Sayid could never forgive himself for what kind of person he once was, so his sideways world was set up to continue to punish himself for it. Sawyer had begun to see himself as a good person on the island, so his sideways world, he made himself a good guy, though he couldn’t totally let go and thats why he was alone. Kate still saw herself in terms of her crime. They found their final redemption in one another and with the person who loved them for who they truly were. Kate loved Jack for Jack. Juliet and Sawyer truly loved each other. As much as Sayid always clung to the idea of Nadia, he could never accept that she might love him. It was only with Shannon that he found someone who loved him for who he truly was. If you noticed, except for Ben, they all had flashes of the happy moments of their lives, which is why they were so happy(even though they were dead) because they had accepted the full lives they lived and were ready to move on. Even Sayid, who could never forgive himself in life, found acceptance and could move on in death. That’s why Ben couldn’t move on; he didn’t forgive himself.

    The reason that I think that characters like Walt, Michael, Eko, Ana Lucia, and Ben weren’t there because their redemption isn’t tied specifically to the island, or at least not to those people. Ben’s redemption would be tied to Alex and Rousseau. Michael’s redemption is tied to Walt, but I don’t think that Walt is tied to the island. Remember, he was only there for about two months when he was eleven years old. I think he went on to live a full life totally seperate from the island. Eko would be tied to his brother and life in Africa. Ana Lucia would be tied to her job in LA and the baby that she lost. And while Boone and Shannon weren’t on the show that long, it was on the island that Boone let go of his love for Shannon (and died) and that Shannon found her true love (and died). Same thing with Miles, Lapides, and Faraday. Their most significant connections were off the island.

    That’s what I think, anyway. I think what will throw people off is that they think everyone needed to die on the island. Obviously, they didn’t. Christian even said that; there wasn’t time there. Some of them when on to live long and happy lives off the island. They all just ended up there whenever they died in life, but returned to the people who had been most significant to them. The island stuff was all real.

    Hmmmm, what else? The numbers were just the candidates. Polar bears were Dharma experiments. Women couldn’t have babies if they were conceived on the island because Jacob made a rule about it. He had mother issues because of his relationship with his own mother. Am I missing anything?

  565. Jason says:

    [quote comment=”375491″][quote comment=”375490″][quote comment=”375488″][/quote]
    _______________________________________
    Negative. This is not what Christian said. Desmond, Widmore, Miles, Lapidus, Charlotte, Daniel, etc., where never on 815 so how is it they were dead all along? The logic of that take is flawed. It’s not correct. You can’t prove me wrong. In fact, the show states proof to the contrary. Please, everyone just stop saying they were dead from the first crash.[/quote]

    Seems to me you are stuck in your own timeframe. That entire group you just mentioned are connected to Widmore in some fashion, and came to the island independantly. The show isn’t about the ‘extras’, it’s about the Oceanic 815’ers. These characters all had flaws/gifts that the Oceanic 815’ers needed to know/have in order to make the connection to their constants/partners. Widmore made the introductions. Those people you mentioned were not dead all along…but must have died in FSW along the way.

    How does that sound to you?[/quote]
    _______________________________________
    That sounds like incoherent gibberish. Try again.[/quote]

    That’s okay. I’m perfectly content in the explaination. I hope you find peace somewhere.[/quote]
    ________________________
    There as soooooo many things proving they were alive on the island and dead in the FSW. I will give two obvious examples.

    1. Christian told Jack everyone was real and they all died at DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT, ETC…. times!!!!!!!!

    2. Locke told Jack he didn’t have a son in the FSW.

    Enough said…..

  566. Toeknee says:

    Some answers:

    [quote comment=”375546″]
    – Who made the statue on top of Jacob’s house? (I know it doesn’t matter, but I wanna know!)
    [/quote]
    Being that it’s an Eqyptian goddess, and there’s other evidence of an Egyptian presence on the island, I think it’s safe to say the Egyptians built it.
    ___________________________
    [quote comment=”375546″]
    – What is Smokey’s name?
    [/quote]
    We were never told. Does it really matter?

    _________________________
    [quote comment=”375546″]
    – WTF was Eliose Hawkins talking to Desmond about at the concert? I guess she knew they were all dead? So, what was her point? Why does she care? Writer head-fake?
    [/quote]
    Yes she knew they were all dead. At the concert she was saying she didn’t want Desmond to take Daniel with him to the church and then to the afterlife with the other Losties. Maybe she wasn’t allowed to move on to the afterlife herself, and she wanted to still have Daniel with her.

    ________________________
    [quote comment=”375546″]
    – So, once ‘enlightened/compliant’ Desmond walked out of the electromagnetic machine, he knew everything would be OK because one day everyone would eventually die anyway and come together again in total happiness? Huh?
    [/quote]
    Apparently that’s the case.

    _______________________
    [quote comment=”375546″]
    – Did the plane at the end make it to safety? Or, was that the plane wreckage shown at the very end from that plane? D’oh!
    [/quote]
    I think we’re meant to assume the plane does make it to safety, otherwise, why go through all of that nonsense, and why show Jack seeing the plane and smiling just before dying? The wreckage from the end was not that plane. I think it was just stock footage of the original sets used in season 1, kind of to show us how far the show has come.

    _______________________
    [quote comment=”375546″]
    – If the plane did make it, does that mean Richard is still immortal? He wasn’t at the church at the end, so I guess so. Spin-off?
    [/quote]
    Regardless of what happens to the plane, Richard is no longer immortal. That was the point of Miles seeing Richard’s gray hair, to tell us that somehow Jacob’s/the island’s magic has worn off, Richard will resume aging like a normal person. Plenty of important characters weren’t at the church so you can’t determine Richard’s fate from that scene. D&C have emphatically said they will not create or condone any sort of spin-off or other continuation of this story.

  567. Hurley gets high w Smokie says:

    Dude – what the #$%& just happened? Was Ana Lucia dead?

  568. way_lost says:

    [quote comment=”375537″]why can’t people just let us complain?!?!

    i’m glad everyone who enjoyed the ending did so, but for myself and others, i saw great stories unfold from season 1 – 5, with many mysteries/plots that captivated me from week to week, but the ending was just dull. it seemed like, okay, let’s create a happy ending in tribute to all the fans of the show, that’s what they would want. or some crap like that.

    instead, it left me thinking that many parts of the show had no meaning, no reason (to the way it ended). true, the characters made the show interesting, but so did the magical and mysterious island and what happened on it…..to have the show end off of it, was just a bit disappointing.[/quote]
    No kidding…bravo my man! For those who were happy with all the loose ends…good for you. Sincerely!! You are a lot better fans than I am. I’m not that easy. I was like “F&%k this”…

  569. Phd Candidate says:

    I am surprised by the amount of people unsatisfied with the finale. I can assure you only smart people fully understand it. So if you don’t like/get the ending you must be fairly stupid. Go back to your mundane (look it up) sitcoms and boring cubicle lives. Stop infesting this blog with your stupidity.

  570. wally p says:

    I dont think that the whole FSW is when you die… I think just the church is. Going into the church in the FSW is passing on… hence Ben doesn’t go in, because he KNOWS that he must pay for what he did some more (maybe still on the island for another thousand years, or forever…)

    Richard served his time, he was no longer held to the island, he could freely leave and live out whatever was left of his life (I wonder if the six that left in the plane went back to REAL time, or flashsideways time?)

    Anyway, I think things wrapped around rather nicely, because as we have witnessed on the show, the island is sort of all encompassing energy… it allows you to teeter between life and death and rebirth, and good and bad. Not everything that you thought was true was true, you have to LEARN it during your time on the island, and while some may NEVER learn, those who do will find themselves together in “THE END…” and in the end, the love you take is equal to the love you make.

  571. Jake328 says:

    [quote comment=”375498″]To say there wasn’t an ending to the series is ridiculous. It just wasn’t the ending you decided it should be, which shouldn’t surprise anyone. I was hoping the FSW was the real ending to their life, but I’m not disappointed. Before the finale, some people thought that the island was hell or made up. This ending was better than that. I think too many people here wanted all the answers or some crazy farfetched ending because there were so many unique stories to Lost. But, if it was a farfetched ending, then a lot of people would be complaining “that would never happen”. Look at all the people who up until the finale didn’t believe Smokie was the MIB. They thought they were different people/entities and even though it was obvious, many couldn’t believe that it was that straightforward. But in yesterday’s special, the producers stated that MIB could take the form of his previous life, Christian or the smoke.
    I think the entire series was fabulous. Yes, we didn’t learn all the secrets to the island, but I don’t care. In the end, I just wanted to know if and how they got off the island. We know several people got off the island, several stayed, and the others died. We know the island really existed. It would have been great to have a couple more seasons to explain all the oddities about the island, but if the show was really about the characters then it doesn’t matter.[/quote]

    I agree, as the saying goes “always leave them wanting more”

  572. Jason says:

    [quote comment=”375566″]I am surprised by the amount of people unsatisfied with the finale. I can assure you only smart people fully understand it. So if you don’t like/get the ending you must be fairly stupid. Go back to your mundane (look it up) sitcoms and boring cubicle lives. Stop infesting this blog with your stupidity.[/quote]
    ____________________________________
    Wow, good thing I’m smart and understand it….tell us how you really feel, would you??

  573. Jake328 says:

    [quote comment=”375505″][quote comment=”375499″][quote comment=”375486″]
    Desmond, Widmore, Miles, Lapidus, Charlotte, Daniel, etc., were never on 815 so how is it they were dead all along?
    [/quote]
    Actually, they did show that Desmond was on 815. They showed it this season. They just didn’t show it in season one. He was in the nose section. Lapidus may have been there too, as the pilot we did not see.[/quote]

    What show were you watching?[/quote]

    LOL – that is what I was thinking.

  574. Jason says:

    [quote comment=”375567″]I dont think that the whole FSW is when you die… I think just the church is. Going into the church in the FSW is passing on… hence Ben doesn’t go in, because he KNOWS that he must pay for what he did some more (maybe still on the island for another thousand years, or forever…)

    Richard served his time, he was no longer held to the island, he could freely leave and live out whatever was left of his life (I wonder if the six that left in the plane went back to REAL time, or flashsideways time?)

    Anyway, I think things wrapped around rather nicely, because as we have witnessed on the show, the island is sort of all encompassing energy… it allows you to teeter between life and death and rebirth, and good and bad. Not everything that you thought was true was true, you have to LEARN it during your time on the island, and while some may NEVER learn, those who do will find themselves together in “THE END…” and in the end, the love you take is equal to the love you make.[/quote]
    ___________________________________
    Nice Beatles lyric at the end….look out for copyright laws though…LOL

  575. enik says:

    [quote comment=”375565″][quote comment=”375537″]why can’t people just let us complain?!?!

    i’m glad everyone who enjoyed the ending did so, but for myself and others, i saw great stories unfold from season 1 – 5, with many mysteries/plots that captivated me from week to week, but the ending was just dull. it seemed like, okay, let’s create a happy ending in tribute to all the fans of the show, that’s what they would want. or some crap like that.

    instead, it left me thinking that many parts of the show had no meaning, no reason (to the way it ended). true, the characters made the show interesting, but so did the magical and mysterious island and what happened on it…..to have the show end off of it, was just a bit disappointing.[/quote]
    No kidding…bravo my man! For those who were happy with all the loose ends…good for you. Sincerely!! You are a lot better fans than I am. I’m not that easy. I was like “F&%k this”…[/quote]

    I’m not so easy either. I fall into the complainer’s camp, but I’ve been thinking about the show now that it’s over.

    The big twist at the end was the story-telling mechanism of the flash sideways turning out to be something more than what we thought. This is what the producers were shooting for all along.

    The production was so grandiose with it’s beautiful cinematography, majestic soundtrack, and top-notch actors that appealed to viewers around the world, we — the loyal viewers — made the assumption that all the details of the magical island actually mattered. How could they not?

    The show was indeed one LONG CON! Get it? We were duped. It was diversionary tactic six years in the making. The writers and the very talented people giving the show it’s overall direction figured they would have TIME to flesh it all out.

    But in “The End” they realized, like Jack, it was “time to let go.”

    At one point in the series, the producers embedded a warning intended just for viewers like us:

    “Only fools are enslaved by time and space.”

  576. Hurley's Dad says:

    [quote comment=”375563″]Some answers:
    _______________________
    [quote comment=”375546″]
    – If the plane did make it, does that mean Richard is still immortal? He wasn’t at the church at the end, so I guess so. Spin-off?
    [/quote]
    Regardless of what happens to the plane, Richard is no longer immortal. That was the point of Miles seeing Richard’s gray hair, to tell us that somehow Jacob’s/the island’s magic has worn off, Richard will resume aging like a normal person. Plenty of important characters weren’t at the church so you can’t determine Richard’s fate from that scene. D&C have emphatically said they will not create or condone any sort of spin-off or other continuation of this story.[/quote]

    I know D&C said this was a self-contained story and there wouldn’t be a movie or anything like that, but when did they say they wouldn’t condone it? Don’t remember that but although I try to see everything they say…they do say a lot. :)

    I thought they left a lot of room in the story for spin-offs including.

    What happens to Richard post Island
    What happens to Kate post Island
    What happens to Sawyer post Island
    What happens to Claire/Aaron post Island
    What happens to Hurley/Ben ON island

  577. wally p says:

    As far as Walt is concerned, I like to think of it sort of tying into the Man In Black being born (bear with me…) When Michael finally dies on the island, he becomes a whisperer… whisperers never move on, they really never move at all, they are polarized into one specific frame of the island. The reason we never see Michael or Walt in the FSW, is because neither of them ever exist in the FSW. Michael is forever stuck on the island (unlike the clever Ben who probably should have been but figured out a way off…) and therefore Walt is never born…. This also ties into why Walt was special… he was a product of the smoke… sort of like how in one world the Man In Black was never born, and in another one he was but his mother could not accept it…. or how Lockes mom could not accept him… or how in one world Jacks son was never born or how in another he was…

  578. wally p says:

    [quote comment=”375573″][quote comment=”375563″]Some answers:

    I know D&C said this was a self-contained story and there wouldn’t be a movie or anything like that, but when did they say they wouldn’t condone it? Don’t remember that but although I try to see everything they say…they do say a lot. :)

    I thought they left a lot of room in the story for spin-offs including.

    What happens to Richard post Island
    What happens to Kate post Island
    What happens to Sawyer post Island
    What happens to Claire/Aaron post Island
    What happens to Hurley/Ben ON island[/quote]

    I said this about 400 posts ago… maybe just an ABC special… like how Columbo would come around every year or two with a new movie of the week for years after the show went off the air (Columbo rules!… I think the last one was in 2002 “Columbo Likes The Nightlife”) Not only the future events of the island, but also the past… I definately dont believe, especially at this point, that theres no where else for the story to go. I see endless possibilities.

  579. z says:

    so, i hereby retract all my negative comments about the finale that I posted yesterday. I watched it again last night and now I think that it was the most appropriate ending for the show.

    I really enjoyed it the second time around. It was no longer about what I expected (as was the case for the first viewing), but how I could make sense of what I watched.

  580. Aonghus Fallon says:

    This finale creeped me out, for reasons I’ll go into shortly.

    WHAT HAPPENED?

    The island gets what the island wants. In this instance, somebody to go down to its magnetic core and vent excess electromagnetism. This has to be done periodically (remember all those skeletons) usually by some willing dupe to whom the island is basically God.* This is like turning a computer on and off again when it starts to malfunction.

    So the island shuts itself down. What does this actually mean?

    (1) The island exists in real-time, not some electromagnetic bubble. Real time being the early cretaceous era. You can leave it, just watch out for dinosaurs.
    (2) The magnetic field which keeps it bouyant via magnetic repulsion ceases to exist. It really will sink.
    (1) No special protection for tribe leaders. Poor old Jack may think he’s tribe leader, the next Jacob, etc etc, but the island was protecting the only living tribe leader who mattered – Flocke – who was promptly divested of that protection while the island was ‘off’.

    THE SIDEWAYS WORLD.

    Remember that apollo bar? Sure you have to turn the machine on and off again, but eventually you get your just reward. Thus, anybody who died in service of the island – and whose bodies are on the island – was resurrected in a virtual reality specifically created for them by the island. Not for ever, mind. Just long enough to resolve their issues. The island’s generosity only extends so far! Hence a couple of notable absences in that church – Lapidus, Myles and Richard for example, who got off the island in one piece. The writers are giving us a goofy ending and laughing up their sleeves at the same time. Nice.

    *In fact, if you were to substitute “God’ for every time a character in this series said ‘the island’, you might gain some valuable insights into what this series is all about.

  581. bobbi dean says:

    [quote comment=”375183″]Posts 116 and 162 fit with how I interpret the ending. I think people are too caught up in an actual timeline of the afterlife. I don’t think the afterlife has a timeline. I think that all of people died at various point in “real”time and in the afterlife, they led a FSW life. One by one, when they connected with each other in the afterlife, they “remembered” the person from their mortal life. And they were happy. That person and those memories were happy. The Aljira plane taking off over Jack leads us to believe those on that plane continued to lead a long mortal life, but when reconnected in the afterlife with one another, those people and times made the most impact, which is why they are the most important. Season 6 is all about their afterlife.[/quote]

    I definitely agree with you. I think Christian also helps prove your theory when he tells Jack that some of them died before you, and some died long after you. He also states something about TIME not being relevant HERE, meaning the FSW.

    I too believe the FSW was a dreamy explanation of purgatory. I liked Matthew Fox’s explanation of the segment of your afterlife lasting anywhere from a nanosecond to a long period of time.

    I think the island happened, and I think everything about the mysteries of the island happened. I think Jack died when he closed his eye. I think the ones we watched die over the seasons, died exactly how we saw.

    And I believe that the island did NOT sink, and Hurley and Ben went on to care and protect the island. I believe Ben did not join them in the church because, as he said, he had things to still take care of. I think he knows he still needs to redeem himself more. I think some evidence of this shows when Locke says that ‘if it helps’ he forgives Ben.

    There may be debate about whether the Aljira flight made it off the island. But I do think they made it home because Kate said how much she ‘missed’ Jack. I’d like to believe she was like Rose from Titanic, meeting up with her true love finally after a long life without him.

    I would NOT have been happy if everyone was in the church. I believe some of them did not connect as much with the others in the church and may have other souls they prefer to be connected with in the afterlife.

    I think the island was a magical/spiritual/religious place, depending on your personal beliefs. But I believe the island went on to exist, and perhaps the island and the Losties’ experiences there enabled them to easily find the souls they most desired to spend eternity with.

  582. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”375521″][quote comment=”375471″][quote comment=”375466″]
    I don’t believe in Purgatory, no offense to anyone that does. I believe in the afterlife (Heaven and Hell) but the FSW WAS NOT PURGATORY. Purgatory is supposed to be a place of temporary punishment or paying for your sins after death. The characters were not being punished. We saw our LOSTIES grow into better people and change their lives due to their experiences on the island.[/quote]
    I agree it was not THE PURGATORY, but I think it was LIKE purgatory.

    BTW, temporal punishment…not necessarily temporary punishment.

    http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12575a.htm%5B/quote%5D

    I purposely wrote temporary because the meaning is the same and I’m sure some people don’t know or care to look up the meaning of temporal. Usually we are on the same wavelength but this can’t be any kind of Purgatory since there is no punishment involved.[/quote]
    I chose the temporal part to be the same…not the punishment part. As is with most LOST religious ‘similarities’, it is not exactly anything.

  583. bobbi dean says:

    [quote comment=”375573″][quote comment=”375563″]Some answers:
    _______________________
    [quote comment=”375546″]

    What happens to Richard post Island
    What happens to Kate post Island
    What happens to Sawyer post Island
    What happens to Claire/Aaron post Island
    What happens to Hurley/Ben ON island[/quote]

    I happen to be one of those people who wants every little detail. HOWEVER, this time I can honestly say I would NOT want to see those people’s post-island life. I think it is enough to imagine it.
    I’d like to think Kate DOES help Claire become a good mother, and simultaneously remains in Aaron’s life. I’d like to think that Richared finally gets a normal shot at life. I would also like to think that Sawyer learned so much on the island that he goes home to his daughter and loves her the way he wants to. And I’d like to think that Hurley/Ben go on to form a zaney friendship/partnership while caring for the island. Ben himself says that maybe there is a better way to run things, and I’d like to think there is. But despite my typical desire to know every detail, knowing all those details would ruin it for me.

  584. funwhileitlasted says:

    [quote comment=”375570″][quote comment=”375505″][quote comment=”375499″][quote comment=”375486″]
    Desmond, Widmore, Miles, Lapidus, Charlotte, Daniel, etc., were never on 815 so how is it they were dead all along?
    [/quote]
    Actually, they did show that Desmond was on 815. They showed it this season. They just didn’t show it in season one. He was in the nose section. Lapidus may have been there too, as the pilot we did not see.[/quote]

    What show were you watching?[/quote]

    LOL – that is what I was thinking.[/quote]
    Actualy, in season 1 Desmond was already on the island when 815 crashed. He did not punch in the numbers in time which made the plane crash. The 815 flight this season was the FSW flight. In season 1, it was Rose who was afraid to fly and Jack tried to comfort her. In this season it was Jack who was afraid to fly and Rose told him “its ok, you can let go now”. This proves that the FSW was not real. Rose and Bernard clearly understood what was happening before everyone else. Maybe because their love was already there. They didnt have to search for it. Desmond was not on the original 815 flight. He was on the FSW 815 flight because he along w/ the rest developed a relationship while on the island. And it was his job to reconnect/awaken everyone.

    In this seasons FSW, Jin could not speak english. He then saw Juliet and the sonogram of his baby, saw a vision and immediately began speaking english. That should be a clear example that they were not dead the whole time and that the FSW was not real.

  585. bolddeceiver says:

    To those who say they feel sorry for the people who “didn’t get”the finale and that you will explain it to us please don’t. We get it. I get that the island was nothing more than a cheap vehicle for character development. I also get that w/o the island mythology this show is nothing more than a cheap soap opera. If you liked the way everything wrapped up then good for you. Just don’t talk down to us that hated it.

  586. wally p says:

    in season 4, you have the Flash Fowards… “Something Nice Back Home” I always thought that it was almost something similar to what they show now. A projection of the perfect life… only in those instances it starts off nice, but ends in some sort of nightmarish mess. Perhaps the flashfowards were all something like that. The island asking them to let go—sort of letting go—but fighting it…

  587. Bromsbie says:

    [quote comment=”375582″]To those who say they feel sorry for the people who “didn’t get”the finale and that you will explain it to us please don’t. We get it. I get that the island was nothing more than a cheap vehicle for character development. I also get that w/o the island mythology this show is nothing more than a cheap soap opera. If you liked the way everything wrapped up then good for you. Just don’t talk down to us that hated it.[/quote]

    Second that, it was a very weak cop-out at best and I’ll go further to suggest that the writers had no clue how they’ll end the show beyond the whole Jack’s eye’s closing!! I’m tempted to compile a list of how many gaps and unexplained holes exist in that thing. Me thinks there could be a hundred.

    The joke is on all of us D&C and ABC made out like bandits. They fed the fan base dribble about this having some sort of explanation, even the most far fetched plot lines can be intelligently explained. The whole 6th season was a joke. They figured that the FSW was the shock-and-awe factor when in reality it was leading to nowhere.

    Complete failure on the writers part but the joke is on us, the fans that were hoping for anything remotely intelligent!

  588. funwhileitlasted says:

    [quote comment=”375582″]To those who say they feel sorry for the people who “didn’t get”the finale and that you will explain it to us please don’t. We get it. I get that the island was nothing more than a cheap vehicle for character development. I also get that w/o the island mythology this show is nothing more than a cheap soap opera. If you liked the way everything wrapped up then good for you. Just don’t talk down to us that hated it.[/quote]
    I kinda agree. I personally liked the ending but I can see where certain people are coming from. I guess the thing that stands out is the bashing of the writers. Thats the part I dont get. You cant belittle the writers because you dont get it. I’m sure the ending is what they wanted. They pay attention to the blog sites and they said that there would be some very harsh critiscm about the ending before it aired. They’ve also said that everyone should stop trying so hard to figure the show out and just enjoy it a little more. And yes if you are one of those people who researched every book a character was seen reading or every song that you heard playing, or researched mythology and polar bears and energy, etc… than you are probably disappointed. But clearly the writers utlimately had something else in mind. People took their own personal theories over the past 6 seasons and ran w/ them and then when the show didnt fit one of those theories, people got upset. To me the name of the show says it all. LOST clearly meant less of that they were lost on an island, but rather they were lost souls or lost in their personal lives. This is no different than the Sopranos ending. A lot of people hated it because they wanted to know if the guy at the bar killed them or what. But in retrospect wasn’t it better to use your imagination? I get the fact that some people need closure, but just like real life you have to find that for yourself. All of the answers are never given. Just my 2cents.

  589. Bobola says:

    [quote comment=”375572″]

    The production was so grandiose with it’s beautiful cinematography, majestic soundtrack, and top-notch actors that appealed to viewers around the world, “[/quote]

    Yes, good cinematography—but soundtrack?
    Come on, it sounded like someone was leaning on the Synth Keyboard with their elbow…with that one note drilling a hole in my head. It was also the worst sort of manipulation with those swirling strings at the heartfelt moments demanding that the emotion swell up in me…and I truly resent being told what I’m supposed to feel…and they did it over and over and over.
    It was brainwashing and it works on the masses, which is why it’s done.
    I kept putting my hands up in the air doing a fake violin whenever the sugary strings started to come in…which was way too often. It was pure cheese.

    The use of Vintage Pop music in previous episodes was very good but that was sorely lacking in the finale.

    And the Driveshaft music;
    That was sort of Smooth Rock drivel—music that won’t really upset anyone too much. Sorry but I like my Rock with some kick. For me grafted on Neo-Classical piano usually sounds contrived in Rock/Pop.

    You want to hear some great use of soundtrack?
    Try; FARGO by the Coen Brothers
    and
    The Sweet Hereafter by Atom Egoyan

    I guess network viewers are also starting to demand more after many seeing incredible HBO series.

    I’m trying to be fair; I know a lot of people on LOST must have worked their asses off to make it as good as it was but there were also some people selling the show out IMO at the end. I don’t do weepy sentiment very well.
    Eh, even Deadwood and The Sopranos sort of petered out in the end, so who’s perfect? Not me.

    There were some incredible actors on the show;
    the show had a pretty high level of consistency there. But there were a few I got pretty tired of.
    Hugo for one; he’s a comedian as well..and there really should have exploited that side of him more because he’s (the real person) is very funny. I didn’t like that they had him as a scared rabbit and Mama’s boy so much of the time.
    Having the muti-ethnic cast was a real high point.
    I take my hat off to whoever did the casting; it must have been a nightmare to schedule all those actors time and arrange scripts, hotels, Transport….stuff we don’t really see.

    But the last few days I HAVE been adding up all the unexplained questions; it’s not that I need them ALL answered…it’s just that there were too many…WAY too many. Just sayin’.

    Some great comment here BTW. I’m enjoying reading them.

  590. wally p says:

    IMO, the Sopranos finale SUCKED…and I really liked Sopranos, but they had the most pointless final episode ever. but I liked the LOST finale a lot. The whole point of the show is to twist your brain… I’ll say, I always liked to look at the show as just a bunch of seperate stories, and the island was just the backdrop. I never really bought into the whole thing coming together perfectly at the end… all though it was fun to try and figure out how it could on this blog. I guess I’m just a tripper… I want the trip to just keep going and going, and never end, and to me thats what the show always felt like… but at the end, they leave you with one final peaceful L O S T screen. It’s over. I drank your milkshake.

  591. Lola says:

    someone, anyone…i know it’s alittle late, but it just hit me…was Kate’s story in the alternate reality the only one that didn’t change? She was still a fugitive for killing her step-dad. Everyone else’s changed in some way, right? (ex:Hurley bad luck to good luck)

  592. cyainanotherlifebrother says:

    [quote comment=”375590″]someone, anyone…i know it’s alittle late, but it just hit me…was Kate’s story in the alternate reality the only one that didn’t change? She was still a fugitive for killing her step-dad. Everyone else’s changed in some way, right? (ex:Hurley bad luck to good luck)[/quote]

    I think in the fsw she was innocent

  593. Belle says:

    [quote comment=”375499″][quote comment=”375486″]
    Desmond, Widmore, Miles, Lapidus, Charlotte, Daniel, etc., were never on 815 so how is it they were dead all along?
    [/quote]
    Actually, they did show that Desmond was on 815. They showed it this season. They just didn’t show it in season one. He was in the nose section. Lapidus may have been there too, as the pilot we did not see.[/quote]

    Desmond was on the plane in the FSW. He was not on the plane in S1 because he was already in the hatch pushing the button. He came to the island on the sailboat.

  594. Mateo says:

    FYI:
    Doc Jensen posted on twitter “The plane wreckage over Lost credits: not part of the story, say reliable sources. Meant to evoke mood. No Ajira crash, no time loops.”

  595. Season 6 DVD says:

    V Guide is reporting that there will be as much as 20 minutes of additional footage on the upcoming Season 6 DVD release, due Aug. 24 on DVD and Blu-ray.

    “It’s in production now,” a source told the site. “Damon [Lindelof] and Carlton [Cuse] wanted to offer fans answers to additional questions they couldn’t get to in the body of the final show.”

    But that’s not all fans have to look forward to. In an interview with IGN last week, Cuse said that some of the questions left unanswered after the finale will be addressed in a bonus feature “in an entertaining way.”

  596. Season 6 DVD says:

    Said to be attached to the upcoming DVD and Blu-Ray release of the complete series is an additional 20 or so minutes of content that didn’t make it into the series finale. This will allegedly give us answers to questions about the light in the tunnel, as well as finally give us the name of the Man in Black.

    Be sure to keep your eyes out for marketing, as Lost: The Complete Collection comes out on DVD and Blu-Ray on August 25th.

  597. Jake328 says:

    [quote comment=”375544″][quote comment=”375484″]The FSW they introduced this series was to throw us off of the real questions, that they never answered. Everybody is preocupied trying to figure out what the FSW means and the actual questions as were mentioned before never got answered.[/quote]

    I disagree. We allowed ourselves to believe and assumed the FSW was what would have happened if the plane never crashed. The writers didn’t deceive us. It was clever writing. What specific unanswered questions are you referring to?[/quote]

    True, kind of like the answer was hiding in plain site. I believe most of the important stuff was answered. Things like the whole Walt subject etc, I think can be answered with island logic for lack of a better term. For example Jacob thought Walt would be a possibility but he just didn’t work out the way he hoped (he grew too fast people!) and so on.

  598. wingman says:

    Now that things have settled down a bit, I wanted to ask (Hopefully it hasn’t been discussed because I didn’t see it)…What are the thoughts of what took place when Desmond first mentally time-traveled in I guess it was “Flashes before your eyes”…Was that just a precursor setting up the rules of mental time-travel or was that actually him flashing into the sideways universe where Eloise was even back then just preventing him from finding out the truth because she wanted to protect her afterlife with Daniel?

    I’m hoping so, although I do believe the actual episode involving Dez meeting Daniel at the university had to be real since the island time was always real and he had notes in his book to back-up meeting Dez…Jesus this show…

  599. Guttahman says:

    I definitely think it takes a certain level of maturity to fully understand and appreciate the finale. I for one am completely satisfied with the way things wrapped up, that may be because I am not a 5 year old asking a million and one questions and demanding answers for these questions. I understand that there are certain things I am not supposed to know, i.e. the meaning of life, what happens after death, is there intelligent life in outer space, what happened to Atlantis, etc. LOST should be no different. I believe a certain aspect of LOST is to be applied to real life scenarios, the free will to do good or bad, the relationship with ones loved ones, etc with that being said, I think it would have been more of a cop-out to answer all these lingering questions in one sitting…if they did that what would we be talking about right now? there is no room for interpretation if D&C takes each one of you by the hand and says “this is why that happened, this is why he/she died, this is who built this that and the third”….seriously people, if that did happen the complainers would still find something to complain about…”I didnt like their answer for this…I dont like how they handled that”…etc. Nobody forced you to watch this show all these years and no one trained anyone on how to watch it…these things you all thought of yourselves or maybe with the help of some other bloggers who shared the same train of thought as you, but in the end it is still YOUR train of thought…I have never heard any of the producers or writers chastise someone because they are “watching the show wrong”. The writers of the show gave us the best possible ending in their eyes, not yours, to say you all have lost the last 6 years of your lives because you dont agree with how it all ends is just a damn shame.

  600. mikemarks says:

    [quote comment=”375486″][quote comment=”375485″][quote comment=”375483″][quote comment=”375481″]Saw this on another site, so I cut & paste it. I believe it’s a perfect summary.

    I believe that everyone died in the plane crash. Christian said it himself, time was irrellevent. Everyone died in the crash. The island was created for the “flawed” people to find some closure to prepare for the afterlife. They were alone and needed to show that they are ready to move on. The flash-sideways was created as a final way for those stuck in purgatory (the island) to move on. The island and the flash sideways were connected. What happened on the island was the internal struggle to be good and for the characters to “let go” so that in the flash sideways they may move on (scene in the church). Jack was the last to “let go” on the island (he died, the people escaped and he saved the island) thus allowing him in the sideways to move on to the light. As the characters “let go” they realized they were dead in the flash sideways. I feel as though The Man in Black was stuck on the island never proving that he was ready to leave. He became bitter and wanted to kill the person guiding him (jacob) along to the light. Jacob’s time was done and hurley inherited the guide position. Ultimately, the people needed each other to move on. Hence the names on the wall. The lost characters needed everyone “realized” to move to the light. So it was the job of the guide (jacob) to help them realize it. I will give jack as an example of this thoery. He needed to save the island. He saved the island and once that happened he died and realized that he was ready to move on. Hurley realized he was going to become the new guide. Every character had a goal on the island so once those were completed they were able to realized they were ready to move on. They made the connections and/or fixed relationships in death that they never could in life and then moved to a better place. To explain the people like penny and others who were not on the plane, was that time like christian said was irrellevent. Penny could have lived to be 100 and then died and when they finally realized they were dead, was transported back to the church to be with desmond. Making the connection with loved ones before moving on.

    in short, everyone needs to resolve something in death that wasn’t resolved in life. After that is resolved, then you are able to move on. Each path is different but in the end its the connections we made, or not made that help/hinder us. We are all connected and looking for closure. And thats the end…great ending…[/quote]

    What site did you find that on?[/quote]

    My local paper, http://www.sun-sentinel.com. Was asking for comments, read that one. IMO, it seemed to sum it up perfectly.[/quote]
    _______________________________________
    Negative. This is not what Christian said. Desmond, Widmore, Miles, Lapidus, Charlotte, Daniel, etc., where never on 815 so how is it they were dead all along? The logic of that take is flawed. It’s not correct. You can’t prove me wrong. In fact, the show states proof to the contrary. Please, everyone just stop saying they were dead from the first crash.[/quote]
    how’s about they were dead before they ever arrived to the island? If the island is a pergatory, only those passing on can be there. The plane was just the vessel taking them there like the boat over the river styx. So if we’re hoping for sequels, maybe the stories of how they actually departed from the earthworld we call ‘real’

  601. mikemarks says:

    [quote comment=”375493″]I think the ending was amazing! The island was the real time and the sideways world was also ‘real’ to the characters since their consciousness allowed them to create it as they wanted which is brilliant in my mind bc I do believe we are able to create our version of reality after we leave the body and enter the spirit world. They just didnt know they were creating it.

    All of the lost characters in the sideways world participated with one another at the soul level which is why things were pretty picture perfect for those who chose it that way in the sideways world. I think the island allowed the LOST characters to create their world as they saw fit and most of them chose fear. Perhaps they chose fear bc of how things were in their living life before they died and since they did not know how much power they had in creating their lives their time on the island was a bunch of suffering. Once they realized they could create their lives by their thoughts,they then created the sideways world. I think they all didnt realize they were dead until they ‘remembered’ the island. I think we saw it all from Jack’s point of view which is why everyone at the church was waiting for him… I think since there is no actual ‘time’ but NOW in the afterlife and so, that is why everyone was at the church together…even though they may have died at different earth times… Christian did say they all died sooner or later. I also think that their soul was ‘Lost’ until they were all ready to move on! Jacob and his bro were Lost longer than our LOST buddies and played by their ‘rules’ bc they were creating their own afterlife how they wanted to.

    In my mind, our LOST characters that were in the church are from the same soul group that incarnate together in order to help each other along their spiritual path towards evolution. For that reason, the people that were not in the church may not be part of the main soul group but from other soul groups and just participated during the Lost character’s lives anyway but didnt need to really show up at church bc they are from a different soul group. Because of all of this, I think the ending was amazing![/quote]
    PERFECT!

  602. Morrissey says:

    [quote comment=”375598″]Now that things have settled down a bit, I wanted to ask (Hopefully it hasn’t been discussed because I didn’t see it)…What are the thoughts of what took place when Desmond first mentally time-traveled in I guess it was “Flashes before your eyes”…Was that just a precursor setting up the rules of mental time-travel or was that actually him flashing into the sideways universe where Eloise was even back then just preventing him from finding out the truth because she wanted to protect her afterlife with Daniel?

    I’m hoping so, although I do believe the actual episode involving Dez meeting Daniel at the university had to be real since the island time was always real and he had notes in his book to back-up meeting Dez…Jesus this show…[/quote]

    This was a brilliant set up by the writers. We were lead to believe that Des “flashing” into FSW was the same as him “flashing” in “The Constant.” But in season 6 it was not. Des was getting flashes of the FSW but did NOT know that was not an alternate reality, Des as he did in the constant thought the placed he “flashed” to was “real” in a real time traveling way (similar to the flashes in the constant). Thus his line to Jack that nothing they do (on island time) matters was a product of this. Des thought that when he pulled that crapp out of the shinny pool he would “flash” to “reality” (the FSW) BUT when he did pull it out and nothing happened he was “lost.”

    This explains why Jack tells Des after Des tells him nothing they do here matters, that EVERYTHING they do in the island matters as in defeating fLocke is a very REAL and ESSENTIAL thing to do. Des like us was tricked into believing the FSW was “real” when only the island time was real and the FSW a way for them to meet before heading into “the light that never goes out”

  603. Jake328 says:

    [quote comment=”375556″]”Jack, you don’t have a son. You don’t have a son, JACK!” That was my goose bump moment…my WTF is going on moment.

    Share yours.[/quote]
    When I heard that my first thought was “Oh sh*t, this is not an alternate time line” and the second was the dad not being in the coffin.

  604. Belle says:

    [quote comment=”375518″][quote comment=”375515″][quote comment=”375102″]The ending is this. What happened on the island was REAL WORLD. Everyone who died on the island died in REAL WOLD…As for what the island was, they didn’t really explain it.[/quote]

    Thank you, Lendorien. You’re apparently the only other person in the world who didn’t take a bathroom break during Christian Shepherd’s speech in the church. He really couldn’t have said it more plainly. The producers have also said it. The Island is not purgatory, and they didn’t die in the crash. They died at various other times, some on the Island, some after leaving it. THEN they all ended up in the sideways world.

    There are lots of remaining questions, but the Island’s reality is not one of them.[/quote]

    can I also say thank you? this is exactly how I feel[/quote]

    Include me too. I feel like we have been beating a dead horse. They didn’t die in the plane crash and the island wasn’t Purgatory. It was the arena where some people changed their lives and were set free and others did not. Like Jacob said, “You needed the island as much as the island needed you.” The experiences on the island saved them and they saved the island which in turn saved mankind from destruction.

  605. mikemarks says:

    [quote comment=”375496″]A theory about Walt and unanswered questions in general – maybe Walt is still special to the island. We don’t have answers about him now in the series finale and some people are disappointed, but perhaps he becomes relevant to the island again in the future. We only caught a glimpse of the island in a wacky, time-traveling 3 year sequence (right?)…or I guess 2000ish years technically, if you count Jacob/MIB/Mother time period. I am going to say Walt could go back to the island as an adult (out of curiosity perhaps, or destiny, or eloise, or hurley, who knows), hurley and ben will recognize him and dub him the new protector…it could happen :)

    I personally think that is what is great about this finale…the cycle of the island continues, thanks to Jack for re-corking the wine bottle. We don’t need all the answers now because they won’t necesarily be revealed until later in island/real time, if ever. And since the show is over, we the viewers will never know but continue to theorize and contemplate…

    I’m satisfied.[/quote]
    concerning Walt/Aron being ‘special’ maybe we’re being too complex again… maybe they’re ‘special’ as everyone is special, simply for being a human being, they deserve good lives that will lead them to Heaven. Example: Clair must raise Aron herself, be a good parent to him, so he too, like Jack, doesn’t get stuck with parent issues that keep him trapped outside of Heaven…

  606. Belle says:

    [quote comment=”375545″]Random answers/Theories:

    1) Plane flying overhead when Jack is dying is the plan Lapidous is flying with Richard, Kate, etc.
    2) Walt and Aron may still be special, like someone mentioned before, maybe they one day rule the island or are important during the time Hurley & Ben run things.
    3) Everyone mentions the polar bears…. I always thought Darma was just testing time travel with larger mammals instead of rabbits (hence why Charlotte found a polar bear leash in the desert)
    4)LOST was for entertainment, not everything is to be answered. It is an adventure and some things are meant to be unsolved and mysterious, especially with the best piece of television in history.[/quote]

    Agree.

    It definitely was the plane Lapidus was flying. That’s why Jack smiled. He was happy they made it off the island in time.

    Walt and Aaron were special. I’m not exactly sure why Aaron was because we weren’t shown but we did see why Walt was.

    The polar bears were brought there by the DI for their experiments. This was explained to us and the remains of the bear Charlotte found in Tunisia had a Dharma collar on. I’ve read a few posts saying Hurley or someone else was the polar bear. That has to be a joke, right?

  607. Morrissey says:

    [quote comment=”375606″][quote comment=”375545″]Random answers/Theories:

    1) Plane flying overhead when Jack is dying is the plan Lapidous is flying with Richard, Kate, etc.
    2) Walt and Aron may still be special, like someone mentioned before, maybe they one day rule the island or are important during the time Hurley & Ben run things.
    3) Everyone mentions the polar bears…. I always thought Darma was just testing time travel with larger mammals instead of rabbits (hence why Charlotte found a polar bear leash in the desert)
    4)LOST was for entertainment, not everything is to be answered. It is an adventure and some things are meant to be unsolved and mysterious, especially with the best piece of television in history.[/quote]

    Agree.

    It definitely was the plane Lapidus was flying. That’s why Jack smiled. He was happy they made it off the island in time.

    Walt and Aaron were special. I’m not exactly sure why Aaron was because we weren’t shown but we did see why Walt was.

    The polar bears were brought there by the DI for their experiments. This was explained to us and the remains of the bear Charlotte found in Tunisia had a Dharma collar on. I’ve read a few posts saying Hurley or someone else was the polar bear. That has to be a joke, right?[/quote]

    That’s the beauty of lost. Its so complex but in the end the only thing that matters is what we did with our time on earth. How much did we love? How much did we do for others…

    Stories, books, and movies can be written about the island’s properties, Ben and Hurley’s excellent adventure, walts importance etc… but at least for those of us who have followed this show since its inception we get emotional closure. No matter how bad our losties had it they end up together, no longer lost in their fears, in their loneliness.

  608. mikemarks says:

    [quote comment=”375549″][quote comment=”375417″]I don’t think its accurate to say certain characters aren’t there because they’re not dead yet. Everyone who could have possibly been in that church, WAS there. Time doesn’t exist in that world, you don’t wait around for people. Everyone was on the same time line in the FSW even though some died LONG before others (think Boone and Hurley). So I think it’s safe to say that if Walt could have been there, even if he died much later than any of the castaways, he would have been there just the same. Its just a question of how profound an effect that character had on the others’ lives. Walt and the other missing castaways probably had their own unique reunions, with other characters we’ve never met who affected their lives the most.

    It even makes sense that Aaron wasn’t there, I mean Claire was his mother yes, but if you think about it, Jack was the only one who was reunited with a parent.[/quote]

    I just watched the ending again. Baby Aaron was in the Church. Charlie was holding him and Shannon and Clair were looking at him. Perhaps they both died in childbirth…Who knows?? But he was there…….[/quote]
    if clair etc died in the plane crash, so did fetus aaron

  609. Sawyer's Evil Twin says:

    It’s clear to me by reading most of these posts that the producers need to have a question and answer session and televise it. Their audience would be huge! We all need answers even if we don’t want to admit it. Anybody else want to see something like this?

  610. Miss lost says:

    [quote comment=”375599″]I definitely think it takes a certain level of maturity to fully understand and appreciate the finale. I for one am completely satisfied with the way things wrapped up, that may be because I am not a 5 year old asking a million and one questions and demanding answers for these questions. I understand that there are certain things I am not supposed to know, i.e. the meaning of life, what happens after death, is there intelligent life in outer space, what happened to Atlantis, etc. LOST should be no different. I believe a certain aspect of LOST is to be applied to real life scenarios, the free will to do good or bad, the relationship with ones loved ones, etc with that being said, I think it would have been more of a cop-out to answer all these lingering questions in one sitting…if they did that what would we be talking about right now? there is no room for interpretation if D&C takes each one of you by the hand and says “this is why that happened, this is why he/she died, this is who built this that and the third”….seriously people, if that did happen the complainers would still find something to complain about…”I didnt like their answer for this…I dont like how they handled that”…etc. Nobody forced you to watch this show all these years and no one trained anyone on how to watch it…these things you all thought of yourselves or maybe with the help of some other bloggers who shared the same train of thought as you, but in the end it is still YOUR train of thought…I have never heard any of the producers or writers chastise someone because they are “watching the show wrong”. The writers of the show gave us the best possible ending in their eyes, not yours, to say you all have lost the last 6 years of your lives because you dont agree with how it all ends is just a damn shame.[/quote]
    ***************
    I would agree. They told us that they ended it on their terms and the way THEY wanted it to end.
    I love that it still has us all thinking and discussing and wanting more. Bravo and this fan will be a bit lost without Lost but it was really like the ending…when you close your eyes…we have all the memories!

  611. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment=”375573″]
    I know D&C said this was a self-contained story and there wouldn’t be a movie or anything like that, but when did they say they wouldn’t condone it? Don’t remember that but although I try to see everything they say…they do say a lot. :)
    [/quote]
    When I said they wouldn’t condone it, maybe I was jumping to conclusions about what their thinking, based on what I’ve heard and read from them, which may be the same thing you heard or read. I believe in a podcast this year they said something along the lines that they are telling the story they want to tell and when the series ended they would be done telling their story. I could see ABC or Bad Robot trying to get as much as they can out of the Lost franchise, but I don’t see D&C approving a movie or spin-off series. (so I guess I’m assuming they wouldn’t condone it, and you know what happens when you assume….)

    However, I’m certainly not saying I don’t want to see a sequel or prequel or whatever – I’d love to learn more about the island, its history, and the characters. But I’d prefer such a production come from the current writing/creative team, to minimize the chances of tarnishing these six seasons.

  612. wally p says:

    [quote comment=”375598″]Now that things have settled down a bit, I wanted to ask (Hopefully it hasn’t been discussed because I didn’t see it)…What are the thoughts of what took place when Desmond first mentally time-traveled in I guess it was “Flashes before your eyes”…Was that just a precursor setting up the rules of mental time-travel or was that actually him flashing into the sideways universe where Eloise was even back then just preventing him from finding out the truth because she wanted to protect her afterlife with Daniel?

    I’m hoping so, although I do believe the actual episode involving Dez meeting Daniel at the university had to be real since the island time was always real and he had notes in his book to back-up meeting Dez…Jesus this show…[/quote]

    Its a dream! But a dream where you can CHANGE things… Think, Des mind flashes… it doesnt have to be one place or the other, it’s wherever your mind goes… Think that Desmond is having a dream everytime he goes back in time… BUT that dream is like a party line, anyone can be there… Eloise is there too. In a different flashback Charles Widmore was there. All the “flashes” are basically dreams but for Desmond they are also real. Charles and Eloise and probably some others know this, and are trying to channel it. Widmore knows that he only has so much time before “The Incident” in 1977 changes everything… so he brings Desmond back to the island, because he knows that Desmond is the one who is the most in tune with “the other side” and that he and Eloise will know to get in contact with him due to the journal… and this is how Widmore and Eloise stay alive Off the island… therefore even in the FSW, they are NOT dead.

  613. enik says:

    “And in the end, it’s not the years in your life that count. It’s the life in your years.”
    — Abraham Lincoln

  614. Belle says:

    [quote comment=”375551″]By the way, I think Ben didn’t go in b/c of two possibilities:
    1) He awakened to all the bad things he did in his real life on and off the island and needed to contemplate and reflect on his sins.
    2) He wanted to spend some more time with Alex, even though the FSW isnt the real world, he wanted to just spend as much time as he could with the family life he probably always wanted…. much like Eloise who was scared Daniel was going with Desmond, she wanted to have her son with her as long as she could to hold on.

    Just my opinion, probably no one will read this far down the blog, never seen this many comments since the first season![/quote]

    I had a similar reaction about Ben. In the last episode he showed his lust for ruling the island again. When he found out Flocke was literally going to destroy the island his allegiance changed again. His love for the island or whatever you want to call it, caused him to choose to go down with the island. Whatever he experienced staying on the island with Hurley changed him. He told John he was truly sorry for all that he had done to him. He was an Other and he seemed to think he really didn’t belong at the reunion. I think he sat there contemplating all the evil he had done in his life and I’m sure he was thinking about or waiting for Alex.

  615. dreyer says:

    [quote comment=”375599″]I definitely think it takes a certain level of maturity to fully understand and appreciate the finale. I for one am completely satisfied with the way things wrapped up, that may be because I am not a 5 year old asking a million and one questions and demanding answers for these questions. I understand that there are certain things I am not supposed to know…[/quote]

    You are blissfully ignorant and therefore you are more mature than others. Nice one that.

  616. Jake328 says:

    [quote comment=”375587″][quote comment=”375582″]To those who say they feel sorry for the people who “didn’t get”the finale and that you will explain it to us please don’t. We get it. I get that the island was nothing more than a cheap vehicle for character development. I also get that w/o the island mythology this show is nothing more than a cheap soap opera. If you liked the way everything wrapped up then good for you. Just don’t talk down to us that hated it.[/quote]
    I kinda agree. I personally liked the ending but I can see where certain people are coming from. I guess the thing that stands out is the bashing of the writers. Thats the part I dont get. You cant belittle the writers because you dont get it. I’m sure the ending is what they wanted. They pay attention to the blog sites and they said that there would be some very harsh critiscm about the ending before it aired. They’ve also said that everyone should stop trying so hard to figure the show out and just enjoy it a little more. And yes if you are one of those people who researched every book a character was seen reading or every song that you heard playing, or researched mythology and polar bears and energy, etc… than you are probably disappointed. But clearly the writers utlimately had something else in mind. People took their own personal theories over the past 6 seasons and ran w/ them and then when the show didnt fit one of those theories, people got upset. To me the name of the show says it all. LOST clearly meant less of that they were lost on an island, but rather they were lost souls or lost in their personal lives. This is no different than the Sopranos ending. A lot of people hated it because they wanted to know if the guy at the bar killed them or what. But in retrospect wasn’t it better to use your imagination? I get the fact that some people need closure, but just like real life you have to find that for yourself. All of the answers are never given. Just my 2cents.[/quote]

    That was scary, what you wrote is almost word for word what I tried to explain to my wife last night. You must be my FSW…or your bugging my home.

  617. Miss lost says:

    [quote comment=”375614″][quote comment=”375551″]By the way, I think Ben didn’t go in b/c of two possibilities:
    1) He awakened to all the bad things he did in his real life on and off the island and needed to contemplate and reflect on his sins.
    2) He wanted to spend some more time with Alex, even though the FSW isnt the real world, he wanted to just spend as much time as he could with the family life he probably always wanted…. much like Eloise who was scared Daniel was going with Desmond, she wanted to have her son with her as long as she could to hold on.

    Just my opinion, probably no one will read this far down the blog, never seen this many comments since the first season![/quote]

    I had a similar reaction about Ben. In the last episode he showed his lust for ruling the island again. When he found out Flocke was literally going to destroy the island his allegiance changed again. His love for the island or whatever you want to call it, caused him to choose to go down with the island. Whatever he experienced staying on the island with Hurley changed him. He told John he was truly sorry for all that he had done to him. He was an Other and he seemed to think he really didn’t belong at the reunion. I think he sat there contemplating all the evil he had done in his life and I’m sure he was thinking about or waiting for Alex.[/quote]
    *******************
    I too think he needed more time to reflect and maybe he is waiting for Alex.
    Ben so desperately needed to be loved. He never really had that. His mom died, and his dad resented him for her death.
    He clung to the power and even though he could not get love I think he needed their respect.
    He kidnapped Alex and he did love her, but she too grew to resent him.
    In the end when he was awakened, it was Rousseau telling him that Alex loved him, and that he was as close to a father figure as she would ever have; I think he needed to cling to that and maybe he does need to wait for her awakening in order to be forgiven by her!
    He was not ready to let go of her and how that makes him feel. I think that would be his final resolution. I love that John forgave him! One more step in letting go!

  618. Lola says:

    [quote comment=”375592″][quote comment=”375590″]someone, anyone…i know it’s alittle late, but it just hit me…was Kate’s story in the alternate reality the only one that didn’t change? She was still a fugitive for killing her step-dad. Everyone else’s changed in some way, right? (ex:Hurley bad luck to good luck)[/quote]

    I think in the fsw she was innocent[/quote]

    What do you mean? Someone else blew up the house?

  619. Surfer_Girl says:

    After reading all these comments and watching the ending again a couple of times, and really listening to what Jack’s Dad said to him, I have come to this conclusion… I don’t think it matters one bit “what world was real”, because everything was real. The different things that happened throughout the show, probably were happening over many lifetimes or incarnations. Ever get the feeling of Deja Vu when you meet someone and get a strange feeling that you’ve met them before? These are all people who you probably met in another life. Does it matter what life? We probably all go through many lives before we reach redemption. That’s what Jack finally reached on the Island and now could move on.

    Let’s really think about this…for those of you who don’t believe they were all dead after the crash, do you really believe that an island, such as this one, with Black Smoke, polar bears, etc. exists in this “real world”. All of the things Jack experienced on the island were real to him and very necessary to his salvation. But the Island was a place he went to after he died, maybe he was dead before the plane crash. All the other Lost characters on the island were also dead, but who knows when they died or reached salvation. The people in the church were necessary to Jack’s redemption, they could have been with him in different lifetimes. I think the Island was just showing us Jack’s salvation and how each of these people, regardless of when, helped him get here. I actually believe that even in the “flashbacks” before the Island they were probably all dead.

    In the end is it really going to be important “what world was real and when they died”?

    Any comments?

  620. Belle says:

    [quote comment=”375576″]so, i hereby retract all my negative comments about the finale that I posted yesterday. I watched it again last night and now I think that it was the most appropriate ending for the show.

    I really enjoyed it the second time around. It was no longer about what I expected (as was the case for the first viewing), but how I could make sense of what I watched.[/quote]

    I think it’s good to watch it a second time. My reason is different than yours though. OK, I’m a softie. I teared up reading the messages people sent in which were cleverly added to scenes from the show. I cried at the flashbacks for each character. Not just because of the touching moments they were remembering but what they endured on the island. I cried when certain characters cried and of course I cried my eyes out when Jack died. Even though it seemed inevitable. I re-watched the following night. I wasn’t expecting that ending but then again I had no idea what to expect.

  621. Guttahman says:

    [quote comment=”375618″][quote comment=”375592″][quote comment=”375590″]someone, anyone…i know it’s alittle late, but it just hit me…was Kate’s story in the alternate reality the only one that didn’t change? She was still a fugitive for killing her step-dad. Everyone else’s changed in some way, right? (ex:Hurley bad luck to good luck)[/quote]

    I think in the fsw she was innocent[/quote]

    What do you mean? Someone else blew up the house?[/quote]

    It was never confirmed that Kate killed her step dad in the FSW, actually we never found out why she was on the run…We assume it was because she killed her Step Dad but we also assumed Sawyer was a conman before finding out he was a cop.

  622. Guttahman says:

    [quote comment=”375615″][quote comment=”375599″]I definitely think it takes a certain level of maturity to fully understand and appreciate the finale. I for one am completely satisfied with the way things wrapped up, that may be because I am not a 5 year old asking a million and one questions and demanding answers for these questions. I understand that there are certain things I am not supposed to know…[/quote]

    You are blissfully ignorant and therefore you are more mature than others. Nice one that.[/quote]

    I must be because I have no idea what that means LMAO

  623. Am I "Lost"? says:

    Everything in this show was abstract. As far as “what world is real”, I say this.. they all were real. The island was just a symbolic place to summarized how each of these people effected Jack’s life, over many lifetimes. The flash backwards, flash forwards, sideways, whatever, showed us what each of these people went through during their lifetimes and showed us how they evolved. Who cares about who died and when, the point of the ending was that many people effect us throughout our lifetimes.

    Ever hear stories about what happens when we die? I’ve heard that the people important to us, will come help us move on. When my Dad was dying, he’d talked all the people he knew and was having visions of. Our closest friends and family, will all come to help us move on.

  624. Zeno says:

    I have watched this show from day one onward. I continue to scratch my head at the attempts of viewers to inject “meaning” into the show. There are essentially three things that make a show appealing to a large audience: 1) Characters that they like, sympathize with, or identify with; 2) Action; 3) Mysteries that keep you coming back. In that regard, Lost was an amazing success. But don’t confuse the success of the show by the above criteria with any sense of meaning. There was no sub text or sub plot to be deciphered. The show had no meaning. There was no mystical, religious, or otherworld message to be decoded. The show didn’t go anywhere, as demonstrated by the final episode, which culminated in what was clearly an on camera cast party, and answered almost no questions. Dharma Initiative? Jacob? Time travel? All unanswered. Lost was a show that became so successful, the writers/producers essentially found themselves in a vehicle with a stuck accelerator pedal, and all they could do was try to stay on the road, more or less, until they ran out of gas. That’s it. They weren’t going anywhere. And if we were carried along, it was only because they understood the importance and power of the three mandates listed above, and not for any other reason.

  625. Miraks says:

    So this is my take on it. We had the story of Oceanic 815 passengers. We saw (though not in chronological order)their backgrounds, their time on the island, (for some) their time off the island and then back on the island. They were a group of people that would have been unlikely friends if not brought together the way they were, but all were flawed, imperfect, lost. By being together, working together, they are became better people, they found meaning in their lives, they found each other- became each others’ constants. After they died, in a time where time does not exist, these constants were reunited, and together moved on.

    That was the main story. Everything around it, the mysteries, questions, Jacob, MIB, etc… were just “supporting actors” to the story.

    I guess my one preference would have been to just not have the whole fsw world. I don’t think it was really necessary. I would have been just as happy to see Jack die, meet Christian and get the speech, and then reunite with all his Lostie constants at the golf course on the island. But I guess that would have prevented all the (melo)dramatic recognitions from the finale.

  626. bolddeceiver says:

    [quote comment=”375589″]IMO, the Sopranos finale SUCKED…and I really liked Sopranos, but they had the most pointless final episode ever. but I liked the LOST finale a lot. The whole point of the show is to twist your brain… I’ll say, I always liked to look at the show as just a bunch of seperate stories, and the island was just the backdrop. I never really bought into the whole thing coming together perfectly at the end… all though it was fun to try and figure out how it could on this blog. I guess I’m just a tripper… I want the trip to just keep going and going, and never end, and to me thats what the show always felt like… but at the end, they leave you with one final peaceful L O S T screen. It’s over. I drank your milkshake.[/quote]

    That is funny to me. IMO the Sopranos finale was brilliant and mind-bending. Loved Lost until the last episode. IMO it was terrible. But hey to each his own. Just thought it was interesting that we are exactly opposite on the Lost v. Sopranos ending.

  627. wingman says:

    [quote comment=”375612″][quote comment=”375598″]Now that things have settled down a bit, I wanted to ask (Hopefully it hasn’t been discussed because I didn’t see it)…What are the thoughts of what took place when Desmond first mentally time-traveled in I guess it was “Flashes before your eyes”…Was that just a precursor setting up the rules of mental time-travel or was that actually him flashing into the sideways universe where Eloise was even back then just preventing him from finding out the truth because she wanted to protect her afterlife with Daniel?

    I’m hoping so, although I do believe the actual episode involving Dez meeting Daniel at the university had to be real since the island time was always real and he had notes in his book to back-up meeting Dez…Jesus this show…[/quote]

    Its a dream! But a dream where you can CHANGE things… Think, Des mind flashes… it doesnt have to be one place or the other, it’s wherever your mind goes… Think that Desmond is having a dream everytime he goes back in time… BUT that dream is like a party line, anyone can be there… Eloise is there too. In a different flashback Charles Widmore was there. All the “flashes” are basically dreams but for Desmond they are also real. Charles and Eloise and probably some others know this, and are trying to channel it. Widmore knows that he only has so much time before “The Incident” in 1977 changes everything… so he brings Desmond back to the island, because he knows that Desmond is the one who is the most in tune with “the other side” and that he and Eloise will know to get in contact with him due to the journal… and this is how Widmore and Eloise stay alive Off the island… therefore even in the FSW, they are NOT dead.[/quote]

    ==========================

    I don’t think they were dreams (atleast not in this sense)…I said this earlier:

    “Given the island’s power to transcend time you can be already dead in off-island reality yet your afterlife can already be taking place (Hence Desmond being able to commune with his dead self)…So the island is a place where you can connect to the otherside because of the “special Properties”…
    You gotta kinda think that since the island is the mid-point of these realities, when exposed to these phenomenons you (mentally) can exhibit a commune with your otherself…The whispers get trapped on this place because the island shares a part of this “Dead-Reality”…Juliet detonating the bomb so close to the island’s power source in retrospect appears to have created a tear between the afterlife and current island time sentencing our Losties there…”
    I really believe the island is a place between worlds (or dimensions, realities, earth-heaven) And when you expose yourself to that light via an “Incident” like what happen to Desmond during the fail-safe or Juliet during the nuking you can tear a little bit of that reality and coalesce with your afterlife self (based on the Finale)…
    What I find most interesting is that island Desmond lived as FSW Desmond , but after the effects of the electromagnetism wore off it appears they no longer shared the same mind anymore (Because Des thought unplugging the light pool would send himback there and nothing else mattered)…So I’m trying to figure out if FSW Des couldn’t share minds with island Des anymore how is it that FSW Des KNOW he was trying to get the others to escape purgatory rather than just remember there old self…I think the answer is that once FSW Des was awaken he had to know he was dead, but Island Des only knew that another version of himself existed…So I don’t think it’s a dreamworld..I think that light-church world is directly related to the island being the portal between worlds…

  628. Betty says:

    [quote comment=”375624″]I have watched this show from day one onward. I continue to scratch my head at the attempts of viewers to inject “meaning” into the show. There are essentially three things that make a show appealing to a large audience: 1) Characters that they like, sympathize with, or identify with; 2) Action; 3) Mysteries that keep you coming back. In that regard, Lost was an amazing success. But don’t confuse the success of the show by the above criteria with any sense of meaning. There was no sub text or sub plot to be deciphered. The show had no meaning. There was no mystical, religious, or otherworld message to be decoded. The show didn’t go anywhere, as demonstrated by the final episode, which culminated in what was clearly an on camera cast party, and answered almost no questions. Dharma Initiative? Jacob? Time travel? All unanswered. Lost was a show that became so successful, the writers/producers essentially found themselves in a vehicle with a stuck accelerator pedal, and all they could do was try to stay on the road, more or less, until they ran out of gas. That’s it. They weren’t going anywhere. And if we were carried along, it was only because they understood the importance and power of the three mandates listed above, and not for any other reason.[/quote]
    I absolutely agree. There were a lot of plots going on, but no explanation was given. For example why Richard was not considered for a candidate? He was alone, broken, had no one else in the world. Just the same criteria that Jacob told Jack. Also if Jacob wanted them on the island why did he had to put them together in a plane crash, why simply didn’t order Ben to bring them the same way they brought Juliet. And if Jakob brought them to the island why did Ben’s people abused them in the beggining? Ben was following Jacob’s orders all the time. Was it Jacob who wanted to research why pregnat women were daying or Ben? When they recruited Juliet the people looked like big corporation’s employees…where all these people went? How did Jacob was leaving and coming back to the island? How did they get the submarine? Why was Jacob keeping around the whole Others group? To what purpose? How about Sayid? Did he realy die? What was Withmore mission? He spend a lot of money covering up the plane crush, hiring guns, sinking a ship, hiring scientists???
    I think all the the final episode did was answer the new questions from the last season: what were the two realities and that’s it. It did not answer anything else. It basicaly went like that: on the end they were all dead.Disapointing.

  629. bobbi dean says:

    I have this theory that makes me much happier with the ending than I was the other night. I was upset with the ending at first, and then I thought more and more.

    I think that the island really happened. I think that everything except the FSW was ‘real’. I think the island has mystical properties and we got as much answers about that as we could ever get without the writers giving us a big religious story to back it. I believe Lost showed multiple religions, beliefs, and even factored in science for ‘non-believers’. Dharma was their way of acknowledging science, and we all know the ways they acknowledged Christianity, Buddhism, Judaism, Egyptian mythology, Greek mythology, etc.

    I think the island’s mystical properties granted the Losties a chance to reflect and see themselves, and perhaps gave way to the FSW. Maybe in Lost, everyone gets a FSW…or maybe only those touched by the island. Regardless, I still think that those chosen were done so, so that they could meet. Jacob said they were all chosen because they were alone, the island gave them all someone to be with so they were not alone.

    My theory, though, is that the FSW was a way for them to be their TRUE SELF. They all found their TRUE SELF with the island’s help, but the FSW was a way for them to actualize it and truly live as their TRUE SELF!

    My examples are in the next post!

  630. bobbi dean says:

    Locke – was less about fixing himself, and more about fixing others. Hence his attempt to help Ben become more empowered at the school. He was not as obsessed with his handicapped. It seems as though he still went on the walkabout, but didn’t seem so bitter about his legs. His TRUE SELF.

    Daniel – was not obsessed with the science and mystery of the island. This was answered for him and he was able to focus on a new love of music. His TRUE SELF. (Daniel was not in church because Desmond told Daniel’s mother specifically ‘not with ME’ when she asked. Meaning he would ‘let go’ later with her or Charlotte or both.)

    Sayid – did not chase Nadia, in fact everything he did was in attempts to do the ‘right’ thing. He clearly still thought he was unworthy in the FSW yet still strived to do the right thing. In fact his relationship with Nadia, and how it ended served him…getting him to see what he needed to do. His TRUE SELF.

    Widmore – even he seemed different in the FSW. Sure, he was still a bit sketchy, but he seemed to care about his wife and children’s happiness. A far stretch from his mortal life when he disregarded Penny’s feelings for Dez, and didn’t seem so bothered by Daniel getting shot. He is not in the church because he and his family are still working things out both as a group, and within themselves. Getting closer to his TRUE SELF.

    Claire – needed to claim her ‘motherhood’ on her own. She had no choice but to be Aaron’s mother in the island. She did CHOOSE to leave the island in the finale, but that may not have redeemed herself enough in her own heart. In the FSW she was able to CHOOSE to mother Aaron while still pregnant. Her TRUE SELF.

    Frank Lapidus – he was not really a Lostie. He felt huge guilt about not flying Oceanic 815, even though he was scheduled to. He redeemed himself in his heart when he went to the island and brought passengers home…TWICE! He doesn’t connect or bond with any Losties, so no need for him to be in the FSW or in the church. He was a crazy loon after seeing 815 crash on TV, and was able to become his TRUE SELF by rectifying his guilt.

    Villians – Sun’s dad and Kinney are just an example of this category. They are referred to, or even shown in the FSW…but still remain EVIL. This may simply be because that is their TRUE SELF. Therefore, they do not deserve or belong in the group at the church.

    Kids – Kids were not shown in the FSW or in the church for several reasons. They did not bond with the other Losties, and they may have ‘let go’ with other loved ones. Walt went home and spent childhood with grandmother and probably went on to live a life and raise family. So there’s no need for him to be in the church with that specific group. Children are already their TRUE SELVES.

    Those who died on island but were not in church – Anyone else not pictured in the church, it seems to me, were not as bonded with others the same way, or did not DESERVE to be there. Eko redeemed himself in his own heart while a priest, and had closure on the island. They are still exhibiting their TRUE SELF.

    Kate – she was still on the run, but we don’t know why or even if she was guilty. I’d like to think she was guilty, for the same crime. But it may be one of those things that doesn’t make her evil. It’s not as though she killed an innocent man. Besides, she is different in the FSW. She shows trust now. She trusted Claire, and she even trusted Sawyer. She would’ve never shown that much trust for anyone in her mortal life (before the island). In fact, when living with Aaron and Jack she kept secrets, showing that she still didn’t trust people, especially Jack…contributing to their breakup. But, the island changed her, and in the FSW she is her TRUE SELF.

    Sawyer – he also was similar to his mortal self, but showed slight differences. He was still upset by his parents’ deaths but this time, he confided and TRUSTED his partner. A big difference from his life before the island, like Kate, he trusted NO ONE! He used his street smarts for good in the FSW, but still showed his TRUE SELF including a bit of bad-boy.

    Juliet – she was able to become more independent in the FSW. She had a failed marriage to Jack, but it was a vast difference from her failed marriage in her mortal life. In her mortal life, she loathed her ex husband, but in FSW she and Jack were on good terms. Juliet was a good person in her mortal life, but did become a bit shady when she joined the Others on the island. In her FSW, she was able to rectify that, AND actualize her TRUE SELF.

    Jack – much like Juliet, he was similar in both his mortal life and FSW…he also had a bad divorce, and in FSW that was different. When Oceanic 6 returned home for 3 years, he became a drunk and ruined his life. FSW gave him a chance to rectify that, including giving him a ‘fake son’ so he could come to terms with screwing things up when he tried to raise Aaron. He was clingy and jealous when living with Kate and Aaron, so his lesson from island and FSW was about being independent and able to be self-secure. That was his TRUE SELF.

    Jack and Juliet’s relationship – they had a pseudo-relationship on the island, and that was important that they also had a connection in FSW. This is because they were able to teach each other the lesson/quality they both lacked! They needed to be independent and able to be solo. Both were clingy and dependent, and both felt the need to fix everything. Their interactions on the island were always showcased as feeding each other strength, and in the FSW their divorce clearly left them stronger and on amicable terms. It made them their TRUE SELF in order to be with Sawyer and Kate.

    Sawyer and Kate’s relationship – they had a pseudo-relationship on the island, and even seemed to have some sort of connection in the FSW. They also were able to teach each other the SAME lesson/quality they were missing – TRUST! Both had serious trust issues, but seemed to trust each other on the island more than they trusted anyone else. And, they even clearly trusted each other in FSW. Kate trusted that Sawyer wouldn’t rat her out when he saw the cuffs in elevator, and even asked him to let her go from the jail cell. Sawyer trusted her enough to not rat her out in the elevator, etc. They both needed trust in order to have their relationships with Juliet and Jack.

    Charlie – I think my theory works for every character, including those I did not list here. The only character that some might argue did not live his TRUE SELF in FSW is Charlie. However, after much contemplation, I think I can answer this. Charlie was shown as a good guy during mortal life…up until the drugs. He tried to get his brother to do the right thing, etc. But once drugs became a part of his life, he became a jerk. Then it was Claire’s ‘beauty and motherhood’ that really changed him on the island. In the FSW, I believe it was the same thing. I believe drugs made him a jerk, and witnessing Claire’s ‘beauty and motherhood’ changed him again. I think the point is that no matter what, drugs will always hide your TRUE SELF.

    I’d love to hear thoughts.

  631. bobbi dean says:

    Even Shannon and Boone clearly became good people on the island. And in the FSW, got along well. We see Boone get in fake-fight in order to get Shannon to be with Sayid. And Shannon tried to defend Boone in the alley. She would have never done that before the island changed her. She became her TRUE SELF.

    Ben is even changed. The island, and perhaps helping Hurley run the island, changed him. So in FSW we see him as a much better man, and when he sits outside the church I think it’s because despite his changes and his better living in FSW he knows he still has redemption to seek. He becomes his TRUE SELF in FSW but still has work to do to heal his heart of his sins. I think Locke ‘forgiving’ Ben outside the church only adds evidence to this.

    Hurley is the one who changed the least. I think this is evidence that, as Jack even says, it was supposed to be Hurley that protects the island all along. He was the one with the least guilt and redemption needed. He was basically his TRUE SELF all along.

  632. LizS says:

    [quote comment=”375556″]”Jack, you don’t have a son. You don’t have a son, JACK!” That was my goose bump moment…my WTF is going on moment.

    Share yours.[/quote]
    That was my, ‘ya kiddin’ me, right?’ moment.

    I loved all the emotional reunions–and I thought Vincent snuggling Jack into the after-life was sweet and touching–yeah, fine, so I didn’t want Jack to die at the end, but OK, it was kinda fitting, I guess.

    I thought the PLUG at the center of the island was, uh…OK, the more I think about that, the less I like it. Come ON!!!!! corks, plugs…clap–Light off, clap, clap–Light On

    So then HOW COME MIB get’s flung into the light, and comes out Smokey–the rest of our folks, including FLocke, go into the light, and they get to, uh, live, do crap, kill Flocke, lift enormously heavy styro-rocks, AND while mortally injured, pick said object up and re-plug it. (hmm, maybe it was pumice holding back the forces of Bottlement)

    All hail!

    I mean, it was the HEART of the Island!!!

    I didn’t need it explained, I just hoped for something a little less mundane and a little more…MORE, if you know what I mean.

    THERE was the time for transcendence–for some freaky-deaky mystical crap, some bizarro mind-bending possibility stuff.

    And the consequences of taking out the plug–well, the series went down the drain right there.

    not to be bitter.

    Ya kiddin’ me, right? No explosions, purple sky, streaming visions, energy veining out to possibly destroy the earth? Maybe a volcano, electrical storm, island starts spinning as matter collapses towards the black hole of oblivion? Why not? It should have been BIG, Grand, Awesome–not some falling rocks, shaky cameras, and chunks-o-island slipping into the sea. Oh yeah, and time to go back in and fix it.

    eh, I don’t mean it 100%–there really was so much to love about the ending, but while I ‘get’ it I don’t really love it.

    Mixed am I.

  633. Mateo says:

    and now part 2 of the finale recap by Doc Jensen posted..

    http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20313460_20388269,00.html

  634. timeckl says:

    Tim’s Opinion:
    They were dead at the point that the laws of physics and causality changed. A slight deviation of physics is acceptable. Innovation by the Darma group can reasonably be accepted up to the point where they do things violating C space rules. C space violation would mean they are in a different level of existence.

    The question is when reality changed. The smoke monster seems like it is the line to draw. We get to see the origins of the smoke as the crazy old witch mother describing how the light, the heart of the island, change one brother into the smoke monster. That is metaphysical and not of this existence.

    The reason for the Island is purgatory. They needed to purge all of the sins of their lives in the new existence on the Island. “What happened, really happened” according to Christian Shepherd aka Jesus or possibly the ferry man at the river Styx. Even though they had not met in their lives, they did meet in death and had their most significant interaction in death. The parallel lives were extensions of their existing life with the effects of purgatory improving their lives. Desmond was dead as well and even though he was not on the plane, he shared the purgatory experience with the other lost souls on the Island. All things happened, all of the effects refined the souls of the individuals and they were ready to move on to heaven. They completed their lives from birth to death with the effects of the Island purgatory (Jack marries what’s her name and has a 16 year old son etc). They remembered their previous lives and purgatory struggles when they all met again and were called to the church to move on. Why did their lives end all at once roughly and why did Desmond gather them up? They all died in the plane and the course of their lives ended there.

  635. way_lost says:

    [quote comment=”375609″]It’s clear to me by reading most of these posts that the producers need to have a question and answer session and televise it. Their audience would be huge! We all need answers even if we don’t want to admit it. Anybody else want to see something like this?[/quote]
    That will never happen dude. It is what it is unfortunately. The finale was great, but IMO really abstract. I thought I was watching a sci-fi mystery for 6 six years. At one point I actually thought I read somewhere that viewers were going to get answers. Instead of the 2.5 hour climax to arguably the best show on television in a long time, we got some religious BS. Again, it was cool. The entire last season was great in itself, but it wasn’t the “right” ending for MANY fans. According to some of these other posts it’s because we’re stupid and that’s fine. However, as stupid as I am I’m not a push-over and those who are happy with loose ends are. Unless this was the intent of the writers from the get go. If it was intended to be abstract and artsy then I’m totally wrong, but I thought I was getting sci-fi mystery instead…maybe I am stupid!

    Anyway, if they did have a Q&A, which we know they won’t, what would you ask? If you had just one question. What would it be?

  636. Belle says:

    [quote comment=”375546″]Loved the finale, but still have questions:

    – So, what about all the fake people in the FSW construct, like David? What happens to them? Does it matter?

    – Widmore: good or bad?

    – Who made the statue on top of Jacob’s house? (I know it doesn’t matter, but I wanna know!)

    – What is Smokey’s name?

    – WTF was Eliose Hawkins talking to Desmond about at the concert? I guess she knew they were all dead? So, what was her point? Why does she care? Writer head-fake?

    – So, once ‘enlightened/compliant’ Desmond walked out of the electromagnetic machine, he knew everything would be OK because one day everyone would eventually die anyway and come together again in total happiness? Huh?

    – Did the plane at the end make it to safety? Or, was that the plane wreckage shown at the very end from that plane? D’oh!

    – If the plane did make it, does that mean Richard is still immortal? He wasn’t at the church at the end, so I guess so. Spin-off?

    – Why was the sunken-island shown at the beginning of the season? Writer head-fake?[/quote]

    Toeknee gave some answers. I’ll add my 2 cents.

    1. No. David wasn’t real.

    2. Widmore mostly bad. Look back on all the previous seasons and look what he’s done. I guess I’ll have to believe him when he said Jacob came to him and showed him the error of his ways. At first I thought he was back to exploit the island and possess it. Previously he told Ben that he was going to take back the island and everything else Ben took from him. Then again if Flocke succeeded in his plan, “everyone would cease to be” as we were told.

    4. Smokey’s name is Clint as in Clint Eastwood. “Man With No Name” character. (Just kidding)

    6. Because of what Desmond saw, that’s why he was so confident and unafraid of Flocke.

    9. We were shown the island at the bottom of the sea because that’s where it would have been if Flocke had won and Jack didn’t “fix it”.

    Agree with Toeknee about the statue, Eloise, the plane and Richard.

  637. Belle says:

    [quote comment=”375295″][quote comment=”375270″]
    [/quote]

    This is the camp I find myself in. While Lost has been a character-driven show, the incredible plot twists and expanding mythology of the past six seasons equalled – if not surpassed – the character-driven feel of the series.

    I loved both. The mysteries and strangeness was the icing on the cake.

    I am mostly disappointed because the two biggest overarching themes: Good v. Evil and Destine v. Free Will did not play into the finale at all!

    I think if you watch it again you will see those themes were still there. Jack (good) vs. Flocke (bad). Jack chose to be the Protector of the island/light (free will) and felt he was supposed to do it (destiny). Ben chose to help Flocke (free will) and later deserted him (free will)

    I am not even going into other myths that I hoped would be illuminated (i.e. what were Widmore’s intentions, what was time travelling for? why did Faraday confuse everything with his skinny-tie theories, etc). And I never wanted Darlton to answer all of my questions (numbers, Walt, etc),

    A few episodes ago I thought Widmore was there for selfish reasons as he had been in the past. He later said Jacob convinced him of the error of his ways. He brought Desmond back to stop Flocke believing he was the only way to accomplish this. I for one believed that too.

    I almost prefer a Soprano-like ending to this hot mess!

    I never saw the Sopranos but heard what the ending was. I think a lot of people would have been upset if they did that too. In fact people were saying it prior to the ending. I’m in no way putting down your opinion or reaction to the ending. I have a feeling no matter how they ended it some people would’ve loved it or hated it. Don’t you?

    [/quote]

  638. Belle says:

    Sorry I messed that up.

    I loved both. The mysteries and strangeness was the icing on the cake.

    I think if you watch it again you will see those themes were still there. Jack (good) vs. Flocke (bad). Jack chose to be the Protector of the island/light (free will) and felt he was supposed to do it (destiny). Ben chose to help Flocke (free will) and later deserted him (free will)

    A few episodes ago I thought Widmore was there for selfish reasons as he had been in the past. He later said Jacob convinced him of the error of his ways. He brought Desmond back to stop Flocke believing he was the only way to accomplish this. I for one believed that too. I think either Faraday made a mistake (it was a huge gamble) OR his cranky, manipulative mother had something to do with it. She did have access to his journal. I wouldn’t put anything past her.

    I never saw the Sopranos but heard what the ending was. I think a lot of people would have been upset if they did that too. In fact people were saying it prior to the ending. I’m in no way putting down your opinion or reaction to the ending. I have a feeling no matter how they ended it some people would’ve loved it or hated it. Don’t you?

  639. KatieB says:

    Wow. It’s taken me 2 days to read all these wonderful posts! Great ideas and explanations, guys. I liked the ending, even cried a little bit (hated to watch Jack die!), but I do have a question: Since MIB was killed by Jack and the island was ‘saved’, what was there to protect the island from afterwards? Just random people who happened to land there? I was under the impression, as Jacob said, it only ENDS once and I took it that this was THE END. Did the island continue to draw people to it?

  640. bobbi dean says:

    [quote comment=”375640″]Wow. It’s taken me 2 days to read all these wonderful posts! Great ideas and explanations, guys. I liked the ending, even cried a little bit (hated to watch Jack die!), but I do have a question: Since MIB was killed by Jack and the island was ‘saved’, what was there to protect the island from afterwards? Just random people who happened to land there? I was under the impression, as Jacob said, it only ENDS once and I took it that this was THE END. Did the island continue to draw people to it?[/quote]

    Well, they said that people have always been trying to tap into the light. Dharma and others have ‘sought’ after the island for many years. So I can see the threat…and the need to protect the island.

  641. Smokie's stash says:

    [quote comment=”375635″]Tim’s Opinion:
    They were dead at the point that the laws of physics and causality changed. A slight deviation of physics is acceptable. Innovation by the Darma group can reasonably be accepted up to the point where they do things violating C space rules. C space violation would mean they are in a different level of existence.

    The question is when reality changed. The smoke monster seems like it is the line to draw. We get to see the origins of the smoke as the crazy old witch mother describing how the light, the heart of the island, change one brother into the smoke monster. That is metaphysical and not of this existence.

    The reason for the Island is purgatory. They needed to purge all of the sins of their lives in the new existence on the Island. “What happened, really happened” according to Christian Shepherd aka Jesus or possibly the ferry man at the river Styx. Even though they had not met in their lives, they did meet in death and had their most significant interaction in death. The parallel lives were extensions of their existing life with the effects of purgatory improving their lives. Desmond was dead as well and even though he was not on the plane, he shared the purgatory experience with the other lost souls on the Island. All things happened, all of the effects refined the souls of the individuals and they were ready to move on to heaven. They completed their lives from birth to death with the effects of the Island purgatory (Jack marries what’s her name and has a 16 year old son etc). They remembered their previous lives and purgatory struggles when they all met again and were called to the church to move on. Why did their lives end all at once roughly and why did Desmond gather them up? They all died in the plane and the course of their lives ended there.[/quote]
    _________________________
    What? I didn’t watch that show?

  642. Belle says:

    [quote comment=”375602″][quote comment=”375598″]
    [/quote]

    This was a brilliant set up by the writers. We were lead to believe that Des “flashing” into FSW was the same as him “flashing” in “The Constant.” But in season 6 it was not. Des was getting flashes of the FSW but did NOT know that was not an alternate reality, Des as he did in the constant thought the placed he “flashed” to was “real” in a real time traveling way (similar to the flashes in the constant). Thus his line to Jack that nothing they do (on island time) matters was a product of this. Des thought that when he pulled that crapp out of the shinny pool he would “flash” to “reality” (the FSW) BUT when he did pull it out and nothing happened he was “lost.”

    This explains why Jack tells Des after Des tells him nothing they do here matters, that EVERYTHING they do in the island matters as in defeating fLocke is a very REAL and ESSENTIAL thing to do. Des like us was tricked into believing the FSW was “real” when only the island time was real and the FSW a way for them to meet before heading into “the light that never goes out”[/quote]

    I noticed that too. After Desmond’s little electromagnetism session with Widmore, he acted so happy and confident. He thought nothing of going with Sayid and wasn’t the least bit afraid of Flocke. He tried to convince Jack about going to the happy place too :) He was so sure he’d just flash somewhere else while down in the light source. When it didn’t happen he was totally shocked.

  643. Smokie's stash says:

    [quote comment=”375600″][quote comment=”375486″][quote comment=”375485″][quote comment=”375483″][quote comment=”375481″]_______________________________________
    Negative. This is not what Christian said. Desmond, Widmore, Miles, Lapidus, Charlotte, Daniel, etc., where never on 815 so how is it they were dead all along? The logic of that take is flawed. It’s not correct. You can’t prove me wrong. In fact, the show states proof to the contrary. Please, everyone just stop saying they were dead from the first crash.[/quote]
    how’s about they were dead before they ever arrived to the island? If the island is a pergatory, only those passing on can be there. The plane was just the vessel taking them there like the boat over the river styx. So if we’re hoping for sequels, maybe the stories of how they actually departed from the earthworld we call ‘real'[/quote]
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    Dude you’re funny. How’s about they were alive the whole time, just like the show and the writers said. Peace out!

  644. Why? says:

    Why couldn’t they have atleast explained what the smoke monster really was, why didn’t Jack become the smoke monster after being down there? You can all sit on D&C’s thrown and say we’re dumb for asking this or the answer is somewhere in the show, but interpretation can only go so far! If jacob and MIB’s power wears off when the plug is pulled then shouldn’t it come back after it’s reset, so jack should have been healed, he was right in the pool of life, yet he still dies? The island has been shown to accelerate healing in nearly every instance, yet Jack dies from that wound in the water that brings Sayid back from death? It’s stuff like this that just makes this show just so disingenuous, but we’re stupid and haters for thinking about these simple things the show showed earlier to be true. We’re just not smart enough to get it, right? I wish I could be a Lost apologist, God that would be so much fun to get enjoyment while ignoring and giving a free pass to so much.

  645. Belle says:

    [quote comment=”375642″][quote comment=”375635″]Tim’s Opinion:
    They were dead at the point that the laws of physics and causality changed. A slight deviation of physics is acceptable. Innovation by the Darma group can reasonably be accepted up to the point where they do things violating C space rules. C space violation would mean they are in a different level of existence.

    The question is when reality changed. The smoke monster seems like it is the line to draw. We get to see the origins of the smoke as the crazy old witch mother describing how the light, the heart of the island, change one brother into the smoke monster. That is metaphysical and not of this existence.

    The reason for the Island is purgatory. They needed to purge all of the sins of their lives in the new existence on the Island. “What happened, really happened” according to Christian Shepherd aka Jesus or possibly the ferry man at the river Styx. Even though they had not met in their lives, they did meet in death and had their most significant interaction in death. The parallel lives were extensions of their existing life with the effects of purgatory improving their lives. Desmond was dead as well and even though he was not on the plane, he shared the purgatory experience with the other lost souls on the Island. All things happened, all of the effects refined the souls of the individuals and they were ready to move on to heaven. They completed their lives from birth to death with the effects of the Island purgatory (Jack marries what’s her name and has a 16 year old son etc). They remembered their previous lives and purgatory struggles when they all met again and were called to the church to move on. Why did their lives end all at once roughly and why did Desmond gather them up? They all died in the plane and the course of their lives ended there.[/quote]
    _________________________
    What? I didn’t watch that show?[/quote]

    Sorry. I don’t understand that New Age stuff and have no idea what you said in the first two paragraphs.

    Their time on the island wasn’t a new existence. I agree what happened on the island was real. Christian Shephard was Jack’s father not Jesus or the ferryman at the River Styx. Only MIB took on the appearance of dead people remember? The characters DID meet in life on the island when they were ALIVE. They DID NOT all die in the plane crash or all at once. They were brought there by Jacob to find a suitable replacement for himself. Even if it was just an island without any magical qualities or people, life happened to them. No purging of sins. Trials and struggles help make us stronger. Remember The Moth? Everyone experiences struggles, that’s life not purging of sins.

    There was one Purge but that’s a different story.

  646. wingman says:

    [quote comment=”375643″][quote comment=”375602″][quote comment=”375598″]
    [/quote]

    This was a brilliant set up by the writers. We were lead to believe that Des “flashing” into FSW was the same as him “flashing” in “The Constant.” But in season 6 it was not. Des was getting flashes of the FSW but did NOT know that was not an alternate reality, Des as he did in the constant thought the placed he “flashed” to was “real” in a real time traveling way (similar to the flashes in the constant). Thus his line to Jack that nothing they do (on island time) matters was a product of this. Des thought that when he pulled that crapp out of the shinny pool he would “flash” to “reality” (the FSW) BUT when he did pull it out and nothing happened he was “lost.”

    This explains why Jack tells Des after Des tells him nothing they do here matters, that EVERYTHING they do in the island matters as in defeating fLocke is a very REAL and ESSENTIAL thing to do. Des like us was tricked into believing the FSW was “real” when only the island time was real and the FSW a way for them to meet before heading into “the light that never goes out”[/quote]

    I noticed that too. After Desmond’s little electromagnetism session with Widmore, he acted so happy and confident. He thought nothing of going with Sayid and wasn’t the least bit afraid of Flocke. He tried to convince Jack about going to the happy place too :) He was so sure he’d just flash somewhere else while down in the light source. When it didn’t happen he was totally shocked.[/quote]
    =============================

    That’s what I said:

    “What I find most interesting is that island Desmond lived as FSW Desmond , but after the effects of the electromagnetism wore off it appears they no longer shared the same mind anymore (Because Des thought unplugging the light pool would send him back there and nothing else mattered)…So I’m trying to figure out if FSW Des couldn’t share minds with island Des anymore how is it that FSW Des KNOW he was trying to get the others to escape purgatory rather than just remember there old self…”

    This why everything that happened on the island was REAL because the island’s power and it’s ultimate location is a realm between life and death..That’s why Juliet said what she said, when she said it…The nuke created the tear and that made the ability to commune with the otherside more prevalent…Dez ultimately traveled to his deadzone self, got awoken a bit by Charlie, really got woke by Penny (to the point he passes out in FSW), but in-between island Dez losing that connection, FSW Dez was awoken to the FSW being purgatory, while the other Dez was just a passenger in his own body since he knew nothing of this…

    Brilliant or yet another huge inconsistency…

  647. cecile says:

    where’d all the smart peeps like hammer, and toeknee, and pj, and boobola go. it seems that there are only three bloogers using four different names each…. that keep commenting about their own preschool comments. (self-supporting idiocy, supporting itz own idiocracy)

  648. Felipe says:

    [quote comment=”375566″]I am surprised by the amount of people unsatisfied with the finale. I can assure you only smart people fully understand it. So if you don’t like/get the ending you must be fairly stupid. Go back to your mundane (look it up) sitcoms and boring cubicle lives. Stop infesting this blog with your stupidity.[/quote]

    Because it takes a PhD to fully comprehend Lost…

    It is true that we cannot escape shrimp heads even in doctoral programs…

  649. Newbie says:

    [quote comment=”375649″][quote comment=”375566″]I am surprised by the amount of people unsatisfied with the finale. I can assure you only smart people fully understand it. So if you don’t like/get the ending you must be fairly stupid. Go back to your mundane (look it up) sitcoms and boring cubicle lives. Stop infesting this blog with your stupidity.[/quote]

    quote]

    You’re sure not getting a Ph.D. in humility. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions.I loved the show and I respect others for differing with me. And for the record, I’m a Ph.D.

  650. Newbie says:

    [quote comment=”375643″][quote comment=”375602″][quote comment=”375598″]
    [/quote]

    This was a brilliant set up by the writers. We were lead to believe that Des “flashing” into FSW was the same as him “flashing” in “The Constant.” But in season 6 it was not. Des was getting flashes of the FSW but did NOT know that was not an alternate reality, Des as he did in the constant thought the placed he “flashed” to was “real” in a real time traveling way (similar to the flashes in the constant). Thus his line to Jack that nothing they do (on island time) matters was a product of this. Des thought that when he pulled that crapp out of the shinny pool he would “flash” to “reality” (the FSW) BUT when he did pull it out and nothing happened he was “lost.”

    This explains why Jack tells Des after Des tells him nothing they do here matters, that EVERYTHING they do in the island matters as in defeating fLocke is a very REAL and ESSENTIAL thing to do. Des like us was tricked into believing the FSW was “real” when only the island time was real and the FSW a way for them to meet before heading into “the light that never goes out”[/quote]

    I noticed that too. After Desmond’s little electromagnetism session with Widmore, he acted so happy and confident. He thought nothing of going with Sayid and wasn’t the least bit afraid of Flocke. He tried to convince Jack about going to the happy place too :) He was so sure he’d just flash somewhere else while down in the light source. When it didn’t happen he was totally shocked.[/quote]
    Does this mean that Juliet was also tricked into believing that what she saw just before her death in FSW was real, and she thought that the hbomb caused a reboot? I don’t want this to be the case because I wanted to believe that Juliet knew that the bomb didn’t reboot, and what she was referring to when she said it worked was the hbomb leading to their plane crash.
    See, the reason the whole time traveling, dharma initiative stuff makes sense strategically in the plot, IMO, is that it facilitated and lead to Jack detonating the hbomb and causing the plane to crash in 2004. In other words, he caused the events that lead to the crash and their time on the island, which as C Shepherd said was the most important part of his life. But thats just my opinion.